Dr. Zach Bush ON: Science Based Approach to Healing Your Gut Health & How to Prevent Disease with Nutrition

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for someone that I want to sit down with and
speak to. I'm speaking about Zach Bush, MD, a physician
specializing in internal medicine and hospice care. He's an internationally
recognized educator and thought leader on the microbiome as it
relates to health, disease, and food systems. Please welcome to
On Purpose, Zach Bush. Zach, thank you for being here.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
What a pleasure to be with you, Jay and the
whole audience. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah. I'm so grateful, honestly to talk to you today
because one of the things I love doing on the
show is sitting down with people who've dedicated their life
to helping people feel better, do better, and do good.
And I feel that a lot of your work is
entirely dedicated to that. And in order for me and
my audience to get to know you a bit better,
I'd love to start off by asking you, you know,

(01:40):
what was your journey from conventional medicine to internal medicine
and how did you even move in that direction, because
I think that today we're seeing a lot more of that.
But you've been doing this for a long time, so
I wonder what that transition was like.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
It was a step wise journey into a lot of
left hand turns and pivot, I think. But the journey
began in the Philippines. I took a hard left turn
in my career. I was going into engineering, took a
year off, and then had the opportunity to birth babies
in the Philippines with a group of international midwives, and
that experience of being around the birth of human life
was so riveting and so engaging that the idea of

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returning to a program in robotics and machines just couldn't
capture my imagination anymore. And so that was my interer
pointing to the health career and initially thinking maybe nursing
nurse practitioner, and then eventually slippery slope took me into
the idea of just going down that medical doctor route,
and that journey came along in an interesting point in
human history where I didn't realize in the nineteen nineties,

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none of us knew at the time that we were
about to witness the most extraordinary explosion of chronic disease
in human history. We were about to see the complete
collapse of the human immune system, the human neurologic system,
and the debut of things like attention death is a disorder,
gluten sensitivity, lime disease, chronic fatigue syndromes, chronic pain syndromes,
things that had simply not existed ten years, let alone

(03:04):
in the previous thousand years. And so it was a
very interesting time to enter into this world of science
and medicine at the point where we would lose it all.
And now we recognize, you know, thirty years later, that
we're now in the midst of the sixth extinction event,
where we're losing biology at such an extraordinary rate, and
we see not only cancer epidemics and autimmune epidemics and

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the rest, we're seeing pandemics and the results of this
real disruption of neural anatomy and attention deficit to autism
from Parkinson's to Alzheimer's, and this breakdown in our cell
cell communication such that we would really lose our self
identity in this milieu of inflammation and destruction at the
cellular level, which of course is manifesting at the macro

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level as well. And so we see the dissolution of
socio political systems and this polarization and the fear, guilt,
shame paradigms amplifying as our biology collapses. So never before
or so interesting a moment to step into this space,
and it's been a real exciting journey into realizing that
the end is near of an old paradigm and the

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beginning is knife for everything that we perhaps have not
even yet imagined, because we are starting to realize that
to be human, to be human, health is to really
a description of an ecosystem rather than a single species
trying to met out a survival paradigm within a complex
ecosystem of life.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
You know, one of the reasons why I've been so
interested in your work is because I found myself going
from being quite a healthy individual to then randomly having
inflammation and having gut issues and whatever it may have been.
And none of them were things I could even explain,
like I was living a generally healthy diet or I
was pretty active or whatever it may be. But still

(04:47):
I'd started to see all these things, and so what
started in the first place at such a global level,
like what has been going on with our health, the
food system and everything else it's been happening that has
caused it today where I think the majority of us
either are experiencing it or know someone who's experiencing it.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, I think I had to go into the problem
before I found some of the answers to your questions
there and diving deeper and deeper into the problem. I
was as trained in internal medicine, which is general hospital
care kind of your adult medicine, and conventional pharmaceutical model,
running ICUs and the like running how was the chief resident,
training residence and med students at the University of Virginia,

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and was finding that I wasn't finding the answer as
to how do I make my patients healthier. I was
chasing disease and it was getting more and more difficult.
It seemed every year to actually have a positive outcome
with my patients. And so I felt like I needed
more training, and I did endochronology and metabolism for another
three years, and that training really took me into what
is the communication network of this exquisite symphony that we

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would call a human body. How's liver talk to the brain,
How's the brain talk back to the adrenal glands. How
the adrenal glands talked to those kidneys? And so that
was the fascination of that hormonal network of communicator, and
that drove me down deeper into the second half of
that specialty, which is called metabolism. How does energy get
liberated within a human cell to manifest life and the

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answer was just becoming obvious, was that it's actually not
the human cells creating the energy. It's these tiny little microbes,
these little bacteria that live inside of our cells, that
was liberating energy for the human cell to thrive upon.
And those little bacteria, often called mitochondria, are very susceptible
to toxins. I was developing toxins to kill cancer cells

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and was watching those toxins damage this ecosystem within and
then make it very difficult for a cell to recover
on a cancer journey. And so it was a realization
that this paradigm of poisoning for the effort of health
was just chasing for the wind. So I'd spent seventeen
years of academia becoming an expert in celluar biology, becoming
an expert ultimately and this little niche of chemotherapy, realizing

(06:56):
that at the end, oh my gosh, I'm chasing the wind.
No matter how good my chemo theay he gets, it's
never going to actually solve the problem that I face
because actually, in human history, not a single case of
cancer has ever been caused by a lack of chemotherapy.
And so it was that kind of slippery slope of
root cause roots solution with cause res solution to realize

(07:16):
I'm not anywhere near the root of this thing. But
my chemotherapy was in vitamin A compounds, which are nutrients
obviously from food systems, and so that was a backdoor
into the question of what happened to nutrition that we
would suddenly have all this cancer. If nutrition can kill cancer,
where did that nutrient base go? And that led us
then to some pretty exciting answers. And I had to

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leave the university setting at that point because the research
that I next wanted to do couldn't really fit into
the paradigm of here's a drug, here's the disease, and
I was starting to want to ask deeper questions about
how does life happen, how does biology happen? So I
left in twenty ten started a clinic that was based
in nutrition, an idea that nutrition could be the base

(08:00):
for reversing chronic disease and perhaps ultimately preventing it. And
that was a daunting and scary moment for me because
I had been trained nothing at all on nutrition, and
so I was desperately looking for everything I could put
my hands on, and the nutrition sciences to try to
find a path forward, and I was finding that the
nutrition science is really disconnected from the deeper understanding of
how biology worked. We were practicing on a fifty year

(08:20):
old beliefs about nutrition with the feud pyramid and all this,
when in fact we kind of knew already at the
biology level that that was a miss, but we hadn't
matured that science and long winding path. It turns out
that I found myself back to not recent medicine, but ancient,
ancient medicine. And we find that long before Hippocrates came

(08:43):
along to say we are what we eat kind of thing,
Chinese medicine had recognized that we must realize that we
are manifestation of the nutrient nutrition, the connection to nature.
And maybe deeper than Chinese medicine are veda, which was
a deep, deep feel that you've studied extensively with your
tea company and everything else. This science of iravative dates

(09:05):
back nine thousand years, and comparing that to like fifty
years of food science that we throw at the wall
right now, it's been proven over and over and over
again in vast different people's groups and genetics and everything else,
and so in the end, that long winding path took
me back into this indigenous realization of we are of nature,

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We are of the earth. Each one of us is
of the earth, and this is why we call ourselves earthlings,
I suppose. But this human condition identifies that nature intended
us into our existence and into our resilience and into
our full potential. And it's in this last one hundred
years where we've accelerated this march away from that nature
and the convenience lifestyles and the technology boom and everything else.

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And this has been that pivot point of how did
we lose health? We simply distanced ourselves from nature further
than we'd ever been, and we did it at these fundamentals,
as you point out, of the food system. And so
that was my slippery slope into what's happened to the food,
which took us into what happened to the soil, which
has taken us into a realization of, oh my gosh,
we became chemically dependent, both in our farming practices and

(10:10):
our pharmacy of the hospital. And when we took both
of those industries and said we will technologically create a
new chemical that will allow us to grow food better,
and be healthier. We lost our underpinnings, We lost the
foundation of nutritional health on the planet and the vitality
of humanity.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
It's incredible, isn't it That it feels like such small,
simple changes, but then they achieve incredible scale, right like
the idea of if you could find that to be
the root. But the rate at which we've all been
negatively impacted by it has been colossal. I guess right now,

(10:49):
the individuals that are listening and all of us, it's
kind of we're in a challenging place because I think
people want to be healthier, but they feel extremely conditioned
by how they've been raised, they grew up, the kinds
of foods that they've been exposed to, the types of
convenience as you said that they have already. And I
find that that's probably one of the hardest things, is

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habit change, because like you said, we've marched so far
away from being at one with the environment, or being
at one with the soil, or being so close to
our food, and now it's being so far away that
it almost feels more abnormal to go back to nature
because of the conditioning that exists, and so how difficult
have you found it to help people actually reconnect with

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that which we've forgotten, when that's actually who we were.
If that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
I think it's almost impossible when you sit down with
somebody in the constructor I'm going to prove to you
that you're wrong. But it's incredibly easy to get there
when you start in a state of compassion. Compassion is
a much different energy than empathy, and I think we've
lost compassion for our belief and empathy. Empathy is that

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effort to bring my energy, my vibration to your vibration.
Let you be the tuning fork, because you might have
been just been diagnosed with a condition. If I sit
down with a cancer patient, their vibration is in fear
and you know, maybe guilt and shame because they're gonna
leave their children behind at a young age or whatever
it is. And so if I dive into empathy and

(12:20):
try to match that vibration, we get stuck there. We
get stuck in the fear, guilt, shame paradigm, and I'm
suddenly steeped in fear of like, I don't think I'm
equipped to help you free yourself with this disease. I
think you are going to die, I think that you know,
and so I have these deep fears within me around
the death of my patient, and they have that deep
fear of death within themselves. And so that's typically where

(12:41):
we go as humans right now, as we're taught that
this empathic state of what is the vibration of the
other person across from you? Can you match that that
before you're in it together, whereas compassion is a much
different state of recognizing where they're at, listening to the
song they're singing, but not becoming part of that symphony,
and holding this other space, this other potential reality of Okay,

(13:02):
yes this has happened, but what is the alternative to it?
And I think you lose that when you slip into
that fear state, when you lose your creativity. As soon
as that fight or flight state kicks in on your
sympathetic nervous system, the creative part of your brain shuts down.
When we stimulate the adrenal glands, which is of course
what we're doing to our children with adderall and all this,
we stimulate with drugs those adrenal glands and they lose

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their creativity. So we have whole generations now that have
been taught to answer multiple choice tests at the cost
of their own creativity and performance is linked to their
adrenaline levels. That is basically the same thing that's happening
in every doctor's office in the world, as the physician
is afraid that they're not going to prevent death in
this patient, and the patient is afraid that they are dying.

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And for all that fear of an endpoint, we can't
imagine life as a continuum, as a continuing energetic event
that's vital and constantly regenerating itself. And so that's kind
of the spiral that we were in and finding our
way out of that had to deal with realize that
nature has never seen an endpoint, has never seen death

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of an individual or species, as endpoints always new potential energy,
and the beauty on this planet has continued to get
more rich, more diverse, and ultimately more intelligent with every
single iteration. We call it the sixth extinction that we're
in because there's been five others, and yet life booms
on this planet in ways that we couldn't have imagined

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before that last extinction. Sixty million years ago, the dinosaurs
were walking around on top soil levels that were thirty
feet deep. We're lucky to find three inches of good
time soil on the Earth right now, thirty feet deep
top soils, root systems of ferns and palms that allowed
for those forms of vegetation to fuel those dinosaurs in

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to these massive bodies, because there was so much nutrition,
so much energy available. And then the top topsoil died.
An asteroid hit, It choked the top soils out, and
life on Earth disappeared for a moment, and then it
came back, not with dinosaurs, but with birds, mammals, humans,

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not with palms and ferns, but palms, ferns and flowering trees,
deciduous trees, flowering plants, wild flowers, and so this has
been a journey of iteration on this planet of life
more rich and more intelligent at every single turn. And
this needs to be embraced as a society right now,
as we anticipate the death of many things, we need

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to get excited for what will come next. More richness,
more beauty is going to happen, and that's programmed into
the matrix of life. It will get better, it will
get more diverse, and it will get more intelligent. And
if we imagine the Earth leaping from dinosaurs to birds
and mammals and humans. Where do we go from birds,
mammals and humans to what? What species has this Earth

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already imagined and already coated for in the virom? The
virom is a description of a library of genetic potential.
It's all of the viruses of the planet. It's a database.
Those viruses are new potential genes waiting to be expressed
by whatever life happens next. Right now, in my body,
there's ten to fifteen viruses coursing through my bloodstream. It's

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ten billion viruses in my bloodstream right now. Not the
same virus, has repeated, different viruses, ten billion new genes
checking in with every cell in my body. To say,
is this an opportunity? Is this an opportunity? Is this
an opportunity? So as I let go of my own biology,
if I let go of fear, guilt and shame, is
there a possibility for me to leap forward with my
own biology, with the genes that are within me right

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now coursing through my bloodstream. Because I'm a microcosm of
extinction and rebirth. And this is where medicine has really
failed us as it was a belief of scarcity rather
than abundance, death rather than rebirth, fear of being that
everything was against us rather than perhaps everything is for us.

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And this has been slippery journey for me of realizing
at each turn I under estimated our potential and we
are sitting here at the pinnacle of a great rebirth
of humanity if we choose to go that direction.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I guess if anyone's feeling that way on a personal level,
where they're living in that scarcity, they're living in that fear,
they're living in that insecurity of and just challenge of
I don't know what to do. I don't know where
to start. There's so many things that I need to
sort out. With my health, there's you know, I'm worried

(17:33):
about I keep hearing about my nervous system and the microbiome,
and it just feels like overwhelming because we've been so
uneducated and untrained in our bodies. Right, It's almost like
we've been given these bodies since we've been born, but
we're so uneducated about how to use them and what
they need and what's good for them and what's bad
for them. And so if someone's feeling in a state

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of overwhelm, Where do you suggest they begin.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
We've we've been working for the last fifteen years in
our laboratory and in our clinics to sort out what's
the simplest approach to beginning again, because I think we
really are at the end of physiology. When we see
two year olds with osteosarcoma, when we see fifteen year
olds with psychotic major depression, and when we see a

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twenty year old with life threatening autommune disease. All of
these conditions are saying that we need a radical revolution.
And so we've been working through all of the complexity
of the diseases and the root causes and everything else
to find that there's really eight very basic things that
start to build physiology from the ground up at the
cell level and therefore at the organism level, and from

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the organism to the species. And those eight things really
revolve around some very basic lifestyle interventions, the first of
which is coming out of fear. And so we spend
the first segment of this process of finding self within
the context of all the anxiety that you have that
you might feel like you're dying, that you feel like
it's so feel like all the cards are stacked against you.

(19:02):
How do we get out of that paradigm quickly? And
that's an effort of really bringing the arrow inwards, because
right now the medicine and the world at large are
trying to point outside of you to say there's your problem,
there's your problem, there's your problem, there's your problem, there's
a problem. So turning that arrow inward to say, where's
my solution? And you and I talked about this briefly
before the podcast started, of like, how did you know

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your journey? How did you get from North London to
Los Angeles and everything in between? And you answered very beautifully.
You said, I just listened to my intuition and I
never tried to judge it for did it make sense
or non And that's basically what's happened at our clinic
is we had to go inward and ask where does
this health come from? Because I wasn't trained into health.

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I was trained into disease management. And so as myself
and my colleagues started to put that arrow inward, we
found while this is really exciting, it's super simple. In
the end, It's not a thousand diseases against humans, It's
one health waiting to emerge. And so as you come
out of the fear paradigm and that external definition of
self and you become you, then your guide is your

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future self, your highest self, whatever is it being expressed
to make you alive today with a self identity, which
is pretty bizarre. It's strange that you know, you wake
up every morning and you know your Jay. It's strange
that I haven't woken up and at some point thought
I'm j shehddy because we're really the same thing, like
we're saying biology same thing. I think I'm in Los Angeles.

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I could have bumped into the jwave very easily and
been like, I'm Jay shehtdy. And yet you keep being you,
no matter how close and proximity others are around you,
no matter how much food you share the same beliefs,
you share, the same You keep being you. And the
really trippy thing is I get to in that ic
U setting, see people let go of the body and die,
heart stops, brain waves come to a standstill, they leave

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that body, and then they suddenly reanimate. We're doing chest compressions,
we're shocking on whatever's going on, or sometimes they just
spontaneously come back into that body, and they traveled after
that body stopped, after that heartbeat stopped, they traveled around,
sometimes in the room, sometimes great distances around the planets
that visit loved ones, et cetera. Sometimes off the planet

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into the cosmos. And at no point in that after
death journey do they lose track of their self identity.
And so that is a very strange thing about near
death experiences that has I think has been under explored.
Your identity preceded your biologic expression and will follow your
biologic expression as your body. But you're you when we

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begin health at that point of realizing that's a permanent
condition that can't be destroyed by biologic processes. That's your
original math. That's the vibration you're going to follow. For me,
that's the anatomy of the soul. A soul is something
that has been captured by the religious world to describe

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the thing that will supersede your life. But on the
science side, it is perhaps a great description of the
energy field that allows you to organize in your mother's womb.
At the beginning of your one cell that starts to divide,
just like a tumor divides, and then suddenly around replication
two hundred and sixty. You start to differentiate, and suddenly

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a cell becomes a kidney cell or anu logic cell
or whatever it's going to become. And not only does
it become a unique cell, it knows where to migrate
to in a three dimensional map to become that organ system.
And we cannot find that map in this inside the
human cell or in biology. That map seems to be
in the physics field, which is to say, in the
electromagnetic field, which is to say, in the space between everything.

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Your body, as solid as it appears to me right now,
is ninety nine point ninety nine nine percent vacuum space
filled with an electromatic field, which is super dense that
organizes the reality of tissue around it. This solid is
organized by the vacuum. And so that thing, that thing
that organizes jays shetty every millionth of a second to
reorganize itself, because you just appear and reappear constantly, approximately

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every millionth of a second, and you keep being you,
you keep coming back every millionth of a second, So
one million times a second, I'm remanifesting in front of
you with a map from that electromatic field. So perhaps
that's the anatomy of the soul. Perhaps that's the thing
that holds the original you, and we have set this
world up for disease by convincing you you're a whole

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bunch of identities outside of yourself. You're a son, you're
a father, you're a mother, you're an employer, you're an employee,
you're a boss, this or that. It was Harely. The
more altruistic those titles get, the more likely they are
to diverge you from self. For me, that was the
title doctor. The whole world wanted to make me feel
like that was the most important thing I had accomplished,

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and this is what gave me value in society. And
it's been a long, bumpy thirty years since getting that
MD kind of in behind my name to realize it's
not the thing, It's not me. I'm something bigger than that.
I am something more true, true than a compilation of
somebody else's curriculum and some doctor's title. And when you

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find that original vibration of this is me, you become
very potent. We start to tune to something bigger than
the biology would have you believe in, and in that
you start to do something different. With your relationship to everything.
And that's the a point journey that we've put together
for the Journey of Intrinsic Health, which is our program
that we've been helping answer that question how do you

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get to health? These eight steps are laid out in
this eight week journey and it's about that change of
relationship to your food, to actually water. Water is really
backwards as to our understanding of how we hydrate and
what water is. And then we also get confused about
breath and our relationships to each each little respiration we take.
We're confused about what it happens when we fast and

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what does that paucity of stress on the neurologic system
look like. Confused about exercise. We do exercise backwards as well,
and so it's re forming the relationship to all of
these lifestyle things that you've been told are important, but
when you go and do the thing that's important, you
don't get healthier. And that was a big question mark
for all of us in the medical field of like,

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we know people should exercise, and yet when we tell
people who are overweight and diabetic to go exercise, they
don't actually consistently lose weight, and they very rarely improve
their diabetes. Why is that we know movement is important
and yet it's not working. And I think it's because
of this externalization of everything. And so since you're not you,
and you're this external representation of yourself, your relationship to

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all these things food, movement, breath, fasting, the rest are
all backwards as well. And so this is the eight
week journey into the obvious, but in a completely new
lens of everything's going to go internal instead of externally
sought after. And that's changed a lot of everything, and
it's allowed me to close my physical clinic where I
was seeing one patient of time and go to a

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coaching model where we are witnessed to the healing process
rather than mandating the healing process, rather than the prescriptive
process of an MD writing down eight prescriptions and saying
this will make you better, realizing that can never make
anybody bigger better because those prescriptions are eight externals, you know,
stimuli that have absolutely nothing to do with the roof

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cause of their disease. And so this has been an
exciting journey of reversing out of my education and into
the realization that there's nothing more beautiful and potent than
a human being in their own field, in their own self,
in their own original math.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I'd love to dive into some of those eight if
it's okay, because I think identity is such a cool one,
which you just touched on beautifully there. You touched on
water there. I'd love to understand a bit more about that,
because I think that's kind of like not even talked about.
I've barely heard. I don't know my wife's I always
call my wife a water snob because she's very, very

(26:51):
careful about the what do we drink and the what
do we you know, shower with and everything else. But
if you could guide us to understanding what you're sharing
a new a week program around water, at least as
a high level, could you guide us through that right now?

Speaker 1 (27:05):
When we think about liquid water, we tend to think
of this stuff in this glass here and tastes good
to drink, It feels good to drink when it's clean,
and it has this kind of refreshing quality to it
for a lot of us. But my body is seventy
percent water, and not a single ounce of that is
in this form. The vast majority of the water within
my body is actually in a crystalline structure. If you've

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ever seen jello eaten jello made jello, you see liquid
turn into a solid. And that gel like structure with
hidden yellow is the result of complex crystal structures of
the water organizing itself around proteins. And that's how I
hold water. And it turns out that my biologic age
and my likelihood of disease correlates perfectly with how much

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crystal water do I hold. That crystal water is holding
something within it, and it's light. In a very amazing
bio logic phenomenon, this planet is able to capture solar
energy in chlorophyll, which are tiny little mitochondria that live
inside of plants, a little bacteria, and these chlorophyll have

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been able to take CO two and turn it into batteries,
and the battery is a long chain of carbon double
carbon bond is the most efficient battery ever invented by
nature that takes no energy to maintain the light within that.
So sunlight is captured between two CO two molecules and
then eight and then twelve, and these long carbon chains,
and then we digest those by consuming food, and we

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liberate glucose sugars carbohydrates, fatty acids, and the oils in
our foods, and we package that up in our liver
and send it out to every cell in the body.
And it turns out that human cells don't know how
to use any of that glucose for fatty acids. There's
no mechanism for releasing the sunlight, so it has to
pass it down to the mitochondria living inside our cells.
So it's basically the mitochondria in plants communicating potential energy

(28:56):
to the mitochondria within us. Those mitochondria start breaking apart
the CO two and start releasing sunlight back into the
side of their matrix, and that's what's being held within
the crystal structure of water. And it turns out that
when I drink water like this, I'm doing very little
to support the crystalline structure within my cells. For this
to turn into a crystal, it takes a complex relationship

(29:19):
to a vast array of salts, mineral amino acid complexes,
and protein structures. And that's where we kind of lost
the hydration story. If I drink this water's going to
feel good. It's going to feel like I'm hydrating myself
for a few minutes. But I'm going to pee this
out in the next forty five minutes. It'll if I
haven't emptied my bladder, it will be citty in my bladder.
It's no longer in my body. It's outside of my

(29:42):
body again. Because this pure water has no reservoir in
my body. It has to pass quickly through my bloodstream
back to the kidneys and get out to my urine.
And so the journey into health is really a rediscovery
of how do you get water into the crystal stage.
And it's a complex journey in some ways, but it
is an exciting premise to begin with. Is I need

(30:04):
to be more full of light? How do I become
more full of light so that I'm more vital, so
I can repair at a faster rate than ever before.
Because there's more poisons in my environment than any other
time in human history, I need more crystalline structure. And
so we reevaluate water at that journey from your gut
into the crystal form inside your cells, where it turns
into that gel battery storage place for that light liberation

(30:28):
from the sunlight, for the animation of life to happen.
And so that's a little bit of a nutshell of
a lot more content that can be drilled into. But
that's a little bit of that flip on the head
of water.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and you said you can actually
test you can actually see your age through the quality
of that crystalline structure. You can test for that. How
do you test for that?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
The easiest way to test for is a relatively old technology.
It's called a phase angle calculation. But you use an
impedance monitor, which is a description of just measurement of resistance.
And it looks like ekg leads. If you've ever seen
an ekge twelve leads around the heart and all that stuff.
They're sticky little paths. You'll put one on the wrists,
one on the forefinger, one on the ankle, one on

(31:15):
the toe, and then you lay perfectly flat and you
measure across that column of water that's now at an
equal lateral level to the Earth and to gravity. You
measure the amount of electrical resistance across that column, and
from that you can calculate, based on body weight and
your height and all this stuff, how much water is
inside every cell. And when you calculate that, then you

(31:38):
get a very good biologic age and biological estimate of
your vitality. An ideal phase angle is up around ten twelve.
I've never seen anybody at ten or twelve. The healthiest
patients walking my clinic are typically around a seven or
an eight on their phase angle. Anybody coming in with disease,
let's go with cancer for the endpoint. There is typically

(31:58):
around a four. Death happens at three point five. And
so what I just told you is ideal health is ten,
death is three point five, and cancer shows up at four.
And here we're telling everybody they're dying of cancer. As
it turns out, when you look at the simple reality
of water inside a cell, cancer is one of the

(32:20):
last symptoms of a complete disconnect from the energetics of life.
Cancer happens when you no longer are connected to the
energy of that plant, of that chlorophyll, of that sunlight
that charged life in the first place. And so that's
where we go with this eight week journey is where
did it break down? How did you go from ten
to three? How did you get from ten to four?

(32:41):
Whatever it is? And then how do we start to
back you up that track of crystaline water? How do
we get your body to hold more light energy? So
that you're more vital, so that you accelerate every enzyme process, detoxification, repair, regeneration,
protein structures throughout all matrices. All of that happens automatically
when the light goes up. You mentioned a product earlier,

(33:01):
the gut supplement you probably got put on by your nutritionus.
But the journey into that phenomenon was our understanding of
soil and food And how did it break down so
quickly was the question we were trying to answer. How
did we go from nineteen ninety two to two thousand
and two that ten years saw the complete dissolution of
human health across all ages, across all organ systems in

(33:24):
a ten year period, across all peoples. Really that we're
touching Western civilization, Western food systems. And in that journey
we discovered glyphisate, and glyphasate is the primary herbicide or
weed killer in the vast majority ninety plus percent of
the weed killers on the planet. We now spend billions
of dollars a year spraying this thing into our environment.

(33:45):
We have an estimated four billion pounds of glyfe staate
being sprayed into our soil and water systems worldwide. And
it turns out as our laboratory has been studying this
compound for a decade now. Every time you touch human
cell systems with glyfe state the communication between them, it
disconnects you from the boundary of being human, and it
dissolves that to the point where you don't know where

(34:07):
your begin or end of human biology, and your immune
sism has to turn on to fight everything. So you
were eating pretty healthy, you were exercising, you were living
a pretty affluent lifestyle compared to the rest of the world, perhaps,
and yet you weren't thriving because there was a chemical
now in your food that was dissolving the boundary event
and your energy was now leaking out of your body.

(34:28):
Quite literally. We've popularized the term leaky gut, but it's
much deeper than that. That that's happening at the individual
cell level. That's leaking the light, leaking water outside of itself.
And if you can't hold that crystalline water, you can't
hold the vitality, the energetics of the plants you're eating,
of the nutrition you're eating, and so you start to
fade with your energy levels, and with less energy, you

(34:48):
repair less well, and you start into this chronic disease
that happened between nineteen ninety two and two thousand and two,
chrontic fittigue, centers, chronic pain, everything mentioned. And so that
was your personal journey. And then you got put on
a supplement. What is that supplement? It's not actually a
traditional supplement. Most supplements are like pieces of the nutrition
cascade of a vitamin or a mineral or protein or

(35:10):
whatever it is. This is way way upstream of that.
This is not a nutrient. This is in fact the
small carbon molecules that form a redoc singling system, which
is a fancy word for a wireless communication network between
your cells. There's two ways cells communicate. One is through
hard fiber optic cables they can pass light energy back

(35:31):
and forth for communication. And the other one is through
this more ethereal wireless communication similar to your cell phone.
Your cell phone sits there all the time with a
complex transmitter in there. A transceiver really can receive and
transmit tiny little signals, but it has to be picked
up by a cell phone tier that will propagate that
information at distance. So I can talk to my grandmother.

(35:52):
For me to talk three thousand miles away, I need
lots and lots of connections between all those cell towers
to cascade through to carry that message. If you lose
one cell tower nearby, your cell phone selling doesn't work.
Nothing broke in the cell phone is an important, real reality.
It just can't reach the bigger system. And so the
disease of today is not actually a disease of a

(36:14):
single cell. It's a failure of that wireless communication network.
And so when a single cell gets injured, now it
can't send out the signal of hey, I'm injured, I
need repair, and it sits there and accumulates injury. And
without accumulation of injury, we reach cancer. Cancer is a
single human cell that has twenty thousand unrepaired genetic injuries
in it. And so this journey towards cancer is not

(36:36):
only a loss of electric light and light potential. It's
a loss of communication and the loss of that regenerative potential.
And so we now have a whole society of humans,
eight billion of us that are losing our light. We
are dimming, and we are losing our cell cell communication.
The cell phone towers are going down and we cannot repair.
But nature always prepares for the worst, and the antidote

(36:59):
it turns out to the death of communication, which is
happening at the human level is actually the microbiome, which
is a term that's now thrown around a lot, and
I think we all have a vague understanding. I think
that's like bacteria or something, but really what it's describing
as complex ecosystem. It's thousands, if not tens of thousands,
if not millions, of different species of bacteria, fungi, protozoa,

(37:21):
and human cells alike, all getting into this coherent communication network.
And so the microbiome is a description of a complex
landscape of biodiversity. And each of those microbes, bacteria, fungi, protozoa,
and the like are making another variant to these small
carbon snowflakes. And when those carbon snowflakes go into a
liquid state, into the aqueous state of your bloodstream, or

(37:42):
into that semi aquis state of the gael within your cells,
they're able to transmit information long distances. And so we
started extracting these from fossil soils before the last extinction
sixty million years ago. Again, thirty foot top soil levels
the healthiest microbiome the planet has ever seen. And so
we back into the fossil layer of soil and start

(38:02):
extracting that communication network. And the first time we put
this on human cells was twenty twelve, and I got
to see in my lab, which was rudimentary at the time,
some of the most ridiculous things happened in a petri
dish that I just didn't even believe possible. And it
was a journey from stop asking questions about the cancer cells.
We were talking and asking questions and studying too healthy biology.

(38:26):
Is are we witnessing health in a petri dish? Is
that's what's really happening because so many things we're fixing
and repairing at such a rate I've never imagined before.
And so it's been a very exciting journey to realize
that the Earth has coded into her deep fossil soils
a communication network that can help us out of our crisis,
that can help us beyond this isolation of the single

(38:47):
human cell, and ultimately the isolation of a single human species,
back into an interpretive dance with life itself. This vast
biology within us and around us as ready to re engage.
We just need those cell phone towers up and running,
but in our bodies, and that's what happened to you
when you started ion.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, no, thank you for explaining that. It's incredible how
little we know. I mean, when I'm listening to you,
I'm just thinking to myself, I'm like, we we just
don't know enough, and individually and collectively as well. But
one of the things you talked about water. We talked
about a bit about microbiom which I want to get

(39:26):
back into, but a big area that you're focusing on
is soil regeneration. I think that's been something that's been
more recently talked about as opposed to something that we've
thrown around as you were saying about the microbiome. But
talk us through that very key element of the environment,

(39:47):
and again, if you can give us that sort of
synopsis version as you did with water, for us to
just understand the value of that, because I want people
to go and follow you and figure out through your
work the depths of everything we're discussing today. But I
think think at least for the benefit of this conversation,
if people could get a sense of just the breadth
of areas that we may know. Me considering a negatively

(40:10):
impacting my health, just as you said, I had no
idea when I was taking eye on what was really
going on behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
I want to step in that first point for you too.
You made the statement that we don't know enough, and
that's how I felt most of my life as a doctor.
That's what led to seventeen years of higher education and
chasing that proverbial knowledge that i'd feel less afraid. I
feel like my whole world has just flipped on its
head in the last fifteen years to the point where
I now realize I know everything, but I don't know

(40:39):
it up in my head. I have access to information
throughout the cosmos through something deeper than my mind. And
that's again where you are acting from in your career,
and not just in your career, with your interaction with
humans in general. Your recent book on human relationships, not
just the relationship to human cells, to human beings. How

(41:01):
do we start to relate differently than we have in
the past, And that journey, I think is really exciting
to realize we actually know everything if we listen inside.
And this is the experience I'm sure you had in
those few years living as a monk and everything else.
When you spend more time in silence than you do talking,
you find you know so much and it's not something

(41:23):
up in your head. It's not an intelligence, it's a connection.
The real truth within you will be remembered rather than discovered,
and so that is an exciting journey into Let's take
a deep breath and realize nobody knows about crystal water,
or nobody knows about all this stuff, and that doesn't matter,
because ultimately it shows the layers that I can show

(41:45):
you in our laboratory will give you a glimpse of
beauty that you may not have been realizing it. But
how you get to that beauty is something you all
innately know. Your relationship to your water, to your food,
and ultimately to your soil and ultimately to your planet
is something that precedes human intellect, human consciousness. And so

(42:06):
we are now in a state of being where we
can actually realize, Okay, if everything existed, our capacity to
become human existed before the moment we were human, what
does that mean for our connection to the future. It's
already here, It's already connected. It's already manifesting through the
genome of the viruses, through the genetic potential of the
planet itself. It's already here. So not only do I

(42:28):
know myself right now, I have access to information of
the future because it's already coded for in biology that
hasn't quite yet appeared, but the information is already there.
In the same way I can remember the past because
it's coded for in my genes, that all the trauma,
all the remembrance, is all the experience of my ancestors.
It coded for in my genetic code. It's not in
my head, it's within every single cell of my body

(42:48):
resonating in a crystalline structure that we would call the
fourth phase of water. And we resonate in that liquid
crystal state to no self and then to express self
within that mature so deep breath for all of us
right now this part of the podcast of like, you
know what we're connected to all of it. We don't
need to know it in our heads because we already
have access to it.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Beautiful.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yeah, then the soil, So how does the soil come
into importance? A soil is a living life form, the
most complex living life form on the planet and in
life itself, as we understand it, We've never measured a
more beautiful system of than the soil. A teaspoon of
soil has more organisms than our humans on the entire
planet a teaspoon, and so that there's a complexity and

(43:33):
a brilliance and a beauty of that living ecosystem of
soil that dwarfs our current understanding of cell biology. We
can't actually measure in a petri dish that behavior eight
billion different species and a teaspoon of soil, because we
haven't developed good enough scientific measures and fast enough computers
to compute that much information so fast. So we tend

(43:54):
to study one species of bacteria and make a whole
bunch of conclusions that maybe it's bad for us. Well,
this whole concept of bad bacteria and good bacteria of
the probotics has really dissolved. Now we realize there is
no such thing as a good bacteria or a bad bacteria.
There's only a healthy ecosystem or a monoculture. Monoculture or
the death of biodiversity is the demise of life. A

(44:17):
push towards biodiversity is the matrix of health. And it
is unfortunate that over the last one hundred years we've
developed a deep economic and physical labor dependence on chemicals
for our farming and agriculture. These chemicals destroy the biodiversity
of every ounce of soil we put these chemicals on.
They function as antibiotics. Glyphsate, that most common of herbicides,

(44:41):
has been patent as an antibiotic, antifungal, antiparasite. It literally
demolishes life within the soil that it touches. And yet
this is what farmers are trained to use. We genetically
modified all of our seeds so that the food would
be sprayed repeatedly through its lifespan with that chemical, and
so round up ready seeds means poison tall in food system.

(45:02):
But when as a microbiome you are not prepared for
that poison, or as a consumer as an animal upstream,
you're not prepared for that injury, you become poisoned in
a way in which you are right not round up ready.
Neither was your microbiome in your gut, which is your
soil system. And so all this focus on gut health
of the last ten years is simply a description of
soil is important. It's where life comes from. Life comes

(45:25):
out of biodiversity and relationship cooperation of biodiverse inputs. Regina
agriculture is a description of this revolution that is a
foot that we are participating in our nonprofit Farmer's Footprint
has been part of this effort to increase awareness and learning,
impact and innovation around the opportunity for farmers to shift

(45:46):
away from the belief that they're there to grow bushels
of corn and instead they're there to grow life within
their soil systems. And when every day they wake up
asking how can I create more life and diversity within
my soils instead of what can I kill today? Which
is what chemical farm is, which invasive weeds are now
attacking what you know, I ICU life support. Do I
need to put my farm on? Oh gosh, I'm out

(46:07):
of all these nutrients. So I need to intraveniously inject
all these nutrients with all these chemical inputs. It's an
ICU condition in the farm, just as is an ICU
condition in my hospital. And so this is a journey
really into realizing that we are doing ICU care because
we lost the matrix of life, which is biodversity, which
is the soil within your gut, soil beneath your feet.

(46:28):
And it's exciting to realize that we can participate this
at every level. If we walk out in your yard
right now you have an American lawn, and an American
lawn is the third largest crop grown in the United States.
There are forty million acres of lawn Kentucky blue crass
grown in this country. There's only one hundred and twenty
million acres of farmland forty million acres of grass. So

(46:52):
that it looks nice or whatever it is, we have
lots of reasons convenient in as mowed whatever. If we
were to take that forty million acres of lawn and
convert that to food force in our backyards, front yards
and the rest, we would never go hungry. In the
next seventy generations. There could not be hunger because we
would have so much food bursting from every yard. In
World War Two, we came close. We had lost the

(47:14):
food system, we had lost supply chains, we'd lost economics,
and so we were growing our food in our backyards again.
By nineteen forty five, Americans and the British in London
and unres were growing forty five percent of their food
system in their backyard victory gardens. We called them victory
gardens because the campaign was if you don't grow your
own food, we're all going to lose. The war if
you grow your own food, we will be victorious. Russians

(47:36):
long knew this. Russians had really built really complex systems
of what we call today peasant farming systems, where there
was a lot of redundancy and a lot of hyper
local marketplaces for food systems. Russians survived some of the
worst fast starvation events in history during World War two,
and they won the war against the Third Reich for
their resilience, and a lot of that resilience was their

(47:59):
connection in age, their proximity to their food system. Their
Germans ultimately failed because they had three thousand mile supply
chains and the food couldn't get to them. Today, the
United States of America is failing because we have three
thousand mile supply chains to the food that's not grown
here in this country anymore, because all of our soil
is dead. The cost of putting seed in the ground

(48:19):
now exceeds the cost that they can be sold for.
And so we have all these governed subsidies to keep
telling farmers to plant genetically modified crops and put them
under dollar expensive high intensity inputs, which is bankrupt between
basically every farm and they're all on life support economically
getting these subsidies that we call USDA Crop Insurance and

(48:39):
all these fake things boosting up dead soil, dead dirt.
And so if there is a belief of homeland security,
if there's really a belief of nations are capable of safety,
you have to begin with the soil. And presidents long
back I've recognized this. Franklin Delamo Roosevelt said the future
of every country is in their soil. And he said

(49:02):
that because we were in the dust Bowl, which was
a devastation of our top soils due to poor farming practice,
and we were starving as a nation. My grandfather worked
in the White House with the Roosevelts, and he was
the head of Philansbury and the New Deal in getting
these soup kitchens rebuilt, and so traveling around with Elinori
Roosevelt serving suit lines that were miles long of people
starving in this country because they're top soil to died.

(49:24):
So twice in a single century we've destroyed our top
soils through poor understanding of biology originally and now a
codependence on chemical farming and antibiotics as a mechanism for
growing food, and so for that we have three thousand
mile supply chains and every city has now become a
really vulnerable island. And we saw that in the pandemic.
Suddenly the grocery store shelves were empty because the ships

(49:47):
couldn't get into the ports, the trucks had stopped driving,
and there was no food on shelves. Is a very
desperate situation we're in the United States, but unfortunately we
have exported that behavior of food systems to the entire
developed world. London is now as vulnerable as the United States,
and the rest. Paris is vulnerable. Los Angeles, where we
sit today, has a three day food supply to millions

(50:10):
and millions of people, and so if an earthquake happens
and disrupts the one highway system that comes into Los Angeles,
we will lose our food supply in three days, and
we will have a massive riot and humanitarian crisis on
our hands. We are an island unto ourselves, and our
food is three thousand miles away and we're not realizing it. Instead,
we have forty million acres of grass that we can't eat,

(50:32):
and we're spraying that with roundup in our backyards to
kill the few dandelions, which are the only edible and
anti cancer compound that's in your backyard right now. And
so we need to start realizing we need to eat
that dandalion green, not the dandeline flower. Even before it flowers.
You're eating that green, and you're getting the nutrients, and
you're getting life back in and you go beyond that
and you say, let's get some beats and turnips and

(50:52):
all the rest. Let's get some other root vegetables in there,
and suddenly your backyard could turn into a bounty of
safety for your family, for your community and the rest.
And so this is the paradigm shift that Farmer's Footprint
is really working on, is can we realize how vulnerable
we've made ourselves as individuals, not just at the biological
level level of our chronic disease, but also the societal

(51:13):
level as we have divorced ourselves from soil.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Is there any way I mean hearing that, is there
any way to have an optimal life still eating from
a supermarket like the idea that you know, I'm assuming
that the majority of people listening are not going to
rush to start growing something in their backyard, not that
they should not, and not that we're not encouraging it.

(51:38):
I think it's incredible when people can. But again, going
back to that conditioning habit formation, all the challenges that
come with that, what can we eat or how do
we eat in order to protect ourselves?

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Well, we learned it in space. During the pandemic. You
might remember there was a moment where we every place
in the country sold out of seeds and so we
started growing again. And we're seeing a very exciting movement
in young people right now. A lot of people are
leaving the cities to go start farming. They've never farmed before,
they have absolutely no idea, but they have this deep

(52:13):
knowingness inside of them that I'm supposed to get not
just to a farm, but I'm supposed to build community
around that farm. So I'm going to take me and
my best ten friends and we're going to move out
into the country and we're going to start farming. And
the regenera agricultural movement has been led mostly by women
and mostly by youth in this country, and so there
is a real movement not just here but now as
we've spawned farmers footprint in the UK, farmers footprint in Australia,

(52:35):
the Western world is starting to reimagine its relationship to
food and soil. And it's really the women and the
youth that are finding this path forward for us. And
it's because I think deep inside of that feminine archetype
that we all have access to male female arrest. That
femine archetype is about nurture and it is about connection,
and that's ultimately what I believe the regenda of agriculture

(52:57):
movement is. In one word, it is a reconnect. Reconnect
to nature and there's many ways to do it, and
there's not a prescription for here's a regenitive farm. It's
about listening into your nature, listening into the reality that's
trying to express itself on that piece of land, and
then being in support of that rather than trying to
micromanage that thing. And so that's very much a femine

(53:18):
archetype we can all connect to, is how do we
let life start coming into our lives in a biodverse fashion.
It doesn't necessarily have to happen, just that the food
and the soil can happen with your community and the
inputs you're taking on. If your input every day is
CNN or Fox News, you're gonna become a monocrop almost immediately.
You're gonna lose all biodiversity of information. You're gonna become

(53:41):
very monotonous in your belief systems. You're going to be
very easy to push into a small box of fear,
gill in shame. If you go out and nature and
spend hours a day hiking and walking through nature and
smelling real soil and touching ferns and being in awe
of the wildflower and bathing in a waterfall, you can't
be put in the same box because you are seeing

(54:04):
the complexity and beauty of nature that predated our existence,
let alone the existence of a television or a news
channel or whatever it is. And so the excitement is
for me, as far as way as this might sound
to you right now, to be growing your own food
all this time, you're just a few seconds away from
your introduction to that universe. Get out to a park,

(54:24):
preet a park, even lay down in somebody's yard that
has a tree. If you lay down on your back
and look up through the branches of a tree at
a blue sky that has clouds passing over, your brain
will start to rewire just with that light pattern that's
coming through that tree, because in that it's like looking
into a fire. If you can't do the tree, stare
into a fire at night. If you can't do a fire,

(54:45):
stare into a candle. Because in the frequencies of those
inputs into our neurology, we put in information in the
form of storytelling. A recent study demonstrated that if we
look down at a fire, a fireplace between us here,
If we look down at a fire around a campfire,
the like all the stem cells in our bodies turn on.

(55:07):
They tried to figure out, like, how is how are
stem cells being activated by the fire, and turned out
that it had to do with not just the fire
and its presence, but our eye trajectory too. If I
looked past the fire and didn't look into the fire,
my stem cells didn't turn on. But if I dropped
my gaze away from the horizon and looked down at
the fire, my stem cells turn on. And I believe

(55:28):
it a story of instead of chasing the future on
the horizon, we need to look down into the energy
that is between us, this fire that sits between us.
We look down for a moment become present instead of
future looking to the horizon. We've become present enough to
sit in stillness and watch that vibrational experience of a
red coal glowing and pulsing in the night. There's something

(55:53):
in that that remembers ourselves. And it was around those
fires that we sang our first songs, danced our first dances,
and told our first stories as humanity. And that runs
all the way to dead Today. The place I have
felt as an earth lean for the first time in
my half a century, it's in the African bush around fire,

(56:16):
listening to African drums, hearing the vibration of voices and
tongues that I have forgotten existed, and remembering that I
find my humanity again. I realize I am from here,
I do belong here, and I am of this place
that is remembered around a fire. Looking down and so
gather around a candle or a fire, whatever it is.

(56:39):
It start to tell stories again of things remembered or
of yesterday if you need to, but start telling story
around flame, and that is maybe your journey back into
growing a piece of food yourself in your backyard. There's
going to be a deep remembrance of you. Of This
is what peace feels like, This is what that pause does.
Staring into the flame you can find in the silence

(57:00):
necessary to find that guiding sense within you that we
call intuition, that guiding sense that you have followed in
your career to bring you to the success you've had.
And so we all have that immediately available before we've
even grown in our own food, before we've grown anything.
All of that is intact. And I have again and
again seen people on the deathbed. As a hospice doctor,

(57:23):
I was admitting eighty patients a week to die. So
I've seen a lot of things that we call death.
And even when biology is completely failing and they have
a few heartbeat beads left, a few breaths yet to take,
they can get into that fire moment and they are
crossing the veil on their back again. They're crossing the
veil and they're coming back. And then they open their eyes.

(57:44):
And it happens so so often. Some of you who's
been kind of in this comatose milieu of barely here,
suddenly comes crystal clear, looks you in the face and
says a deep truth that may or may not make
sense as you the receiver, but in saying it, you
can see them reconnect to their original self and they are
more true to themselves in that moment of death than

(58:04):
they ever were in their state of living, in a
state of disconnect. And so it doesn't matter how close
you are to death. That firelight is burning inside of you,
if not in front of you, and in the silence
in front of that fire, you can remember why you
came here and why you did what you did. On
purpose is your show, and it turns out purposes not

(58:27):
outside of you. It's not something to go find, it's
not something to go discover. That purpose is you being you,
that original math that vibrates to animate your biology into
a living life form for a moment that we would
call a human life span. You're vibrating there, and the
purpose is to be you in this form, to take
in the light energy of the cosmos, of the food

(58:49):
you eat, and express it in vitality within that liquid
crystal of your body, to vibrate. It's the vibration that
makes you alive. And that vibration can be shaped by
your thoughts, your beliefs, the words you carry, and the
feelings that you have towards one another. And so this
is our moment right now, as we can burn bright

(59:09):
at our death moment on our deathbed, sixty years, eighty
years left, however long is there on our march into
that we can rebirth now, to come off of hospice
and become a new species, become a new humanity, become
a new expression as we lose fear, guilt and shame
because we look past the death that we all fear
and realize that life is abundant, and it's infinite, and
it's always in its next transformation, next expression, which is

(59:33):
always chasing more beauty and more intelligence than the rest.
And so we sit here around a fire now talking
about the demise of all things to realize the birth
of everything.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I find your response is so refreshing. There is such
a rejuvenation and rebirth hearing the ideas that you're sharing
with the world, because I can definitely personally attest to
so many of the things that you're mentioning, whether it's
lying down under the tree looking through the branches, whether
it's deeply excavating and looking at the roots of a plant,

(01:00:08):
whether it's looking out into the sky or cloud gazing,
which is probably one of my favorite things to do,
which is why I live where I live, or whether
it may be just feeling reconnected. One of my favorite
things was when my wife and I went to Hawaii
a few years ago, and we fell in love with

(01:00:28):
it because we felt the people there had their own
language for a culture that we've learned differently. So having
studied the Vaders, the worship of the Sun and the
moon as such big parts of the Vaders, and when
we were in Hawaii, we would go out on a
kayak every morning and pay our respects to the Sun,

(01:00:51):
and it always felt beautiful to do it in the
Hawaiian culture and through their traditions, and I remembered we
walked around where they were showing us and the writings
and the stories on their rock and there was this
one particular one which repeated itself, which was a expanding circle.
And it was said that whenever a child is born

(01:01:14):
in Hawaii, it's umbilical cord is placed on the earth
and a circle is drawn around it in that very spot,
so they can always come back to that and remember
that they're always connected to the earth and that's what
they belong. It's incredible how these very simple ideas can
be so sacred and so powerful. As you said, internally,
you feel these things don't necessarily make sense in your head,

(01:01:35):
or you can't compute them in a logical reasoning point
of view, but you can feel them. Even when we
were there, you could see it and you could feel it.
You mentioned twice there, you mentioned at the beginning breath
as one of the elements. You then mentioned it again
when people in their last breath. Could you walk us
through the same kind of refreshing insight on breath.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Mechanism of breathing is the allowance to create new life.
And we exhale so that we can breathe back in.
And if you've ever been told suddenly in an audience,
like okay, everybody, inhale, it's very hard to inhale because
they didn't tell you to exhale, And so to really
take a good inhalation, you've got to tell the whole audience,
all right, everybody, exhale, blow it all out, blow it
all out, blown out. Now you can inhale, and in

(01:02:22):
that exhalation, you're basically exchanging the life force with the
environment around you. When I exhale, I push out millions
of different little tiny variants of my genetics through something
called micro rna. It's basically my version of expressing a
viral message to the world of here's who I am

(01:02:43):
right now, here's what I'm expressing genetically, here's what's happening.
So I have a genetic signal that I breathe out,
and I have a new potential for life that I
breathe out in the form of carbon dioxide that I
just derived from all the glucose and fatty acids that
I'm deriving all of that sunlight from. So I'm releasing
sunlight and then I give back the CO two to
the atmosphere so I can breathe it back in. And

(01:03:04):
turns out I need CO two exchange. I need to
breathe it as much as they need to exhale it,
because it's really the pulse of life, and it's the
way in which I use oxygen at the sider level.
So I can't use oxygen unless I've got CO two.
So I breathe out a big gift of CO two
in the atmosphere gives me back CO two in a
ratio that allows me to use aucygen more effectively. And

(01:03:26):
so CO two is really the coursing bloodstream of life itself.
It's the currency of life, and so that currency of
energy is pulsing with every breath, and when I start
to develop an addiction to breathing, I don't take that
deep breath, and instead I have all these short little
breasts that I take all the time because I'm in
a fight or flight state, and I don't slow that

(01:03:47):
respiration down. My neurology is reading all the time panic
and so in the same way that we're addicted to
water that can ever turn into a liquid crystal, and
therefore we're always thirsty. In the same way, I always
taking all sixteen to twenty breaths a minute because I'm
afraid I'm going to run out of air because I
haven't been taught to actually breathe, And so the planet
is now doing this as well as humans. The planet

(01:04:10):
can't take a deep breath right now because its lungs
are the soil system. We've now killed ninety seven percent
of the soil systems the planet. Ninety seven percent of
arable soils on the planet are now depleted, are severely
deproleted of their metabols and their ability to breathe. In
an ideal state, this planet breathes in a deep breath
at night and then exhales in the morning, and you

(01:04:32):
can watch this happen, especially in humid areas. I live
in Virginia and along the Blue Ridge Mountains at night,
if you stand up high on the mountains, you get
to see that the forests of Virginia breathe in and
these it looks like banks of clouds, suddenly gets sucked
down onto the surface of the trees, and then down
into the canopy and down into the earth. And so
the trees are returning the breath to the soil and

(01:04:55):
with it all the water. In the morning it exhales,
and all that water or appears on the surface as dew,
on the grass and in the canopy and everywhere. Well,
that de is now very cold because it was breathed
out by a deep geothermal cooling thing that we call
the planet. The warming of the planet is not being
caused by CO two or greenhouse gases. We've been given

(01:05:18):
a very half truth by our political systems that with
Al Gore and the rest have said CO two is
our crisis. We've now pledged forty trillion dollars by twenty
fifty to suck CO two oul asim atmosphere and all
that because we've been told it's the problem, but in fact,
whether it's a dying patient of the bedside you can
no longer breathe, or me addicted to my short breathing,

(01:05:38):
or the planet that's lost its lungs. And now, as emphasema,
CO two starts rising the atmosphere and the heat goes
up because we're not bringing that into the earth and
out of the earth, into the earth, out of the
Earth on a daily basis to cool the planet. We
lost the lungs. Therefore we've lost the exchange of life
through CO two and we lost the geothermal cooling that
comes with breath. And so the plant it has a fever,

(01:06:01):
not for CO two, but for a lack of breath.
And so this is the transit that we need to
do as a planetary participant, is we need to be
part of the solution. We need to allow the Earth
to breathe again. I find it interesting that, you know,
we always find the micro story in the macrocosm, and
you find it fractally, which means at every single level

(01:06:23):
of expression of nature you'll find the same truth. And
here we were in the middle of the pandemic where
people were going blue because the oxygen could not exchange
from their blood cells into their cells, perhaps in part
due to a virus, but deeper than that, we had
covered our planet in the highest levels of carbon contamination
in history because of the largest fires that had raged

(01:06:43):
for the year and a half before the pandemic, and
then all the way through the pandemic, we had the
largest fires all over the world that had ever happened.
So for all the poisoning in the atmosphere, we had
cyanide in the air levels unprecedented. We were breathing in sinie,
which causes this respiratory failure. We were ascribing it again
just to the virus. I think it was a lot
of different factors happening at that time. We were losing
our ability to breathe. Meanwhile, the planet's warming up, warming up,

(01:07:06):
warming up, and coot's going up in the atmosphere. We
can't breathe, the planet can't breathe, We couldn't breathe a species.
And then we get this extraordinarily tragic moment where we
watch a police officer with his knee on the neck
of an African American man and who dies in the
streets screaming, I cannot breathe. At every one of those
fractal levels, we got to witness the suffocation of life,

(01:07:27):
and it was suffocating in that moment with a police
officers too afraid to move, and maybe angry, maybe lots
of other negative emotions in there, but ultimately it's fear
of death, fear of different, being different, fear of everything
other than self. So that knee stays on. And right
now we have our proverbial knee on the neck of
this planet. We are not letting this planet breathe because

(01:07:50):
we're afraid we might go hungry. So we're waiting for
technology to save us. So we have more and more
genetic technologies. We have robots trying to mind food out
of the earth. We're waiting for more and more technology,
and we just will not let the knee off the
neck of the planet because we're afraid she won't provide
for us. We need to let the knee up. We
need to be confident that we are one species, that

(01:08:10):
is the compilation of hundreds of thousands of species that
has made life possible. We need to start to breathe together.
We need to move to a point where there is
grace rather than fear, where there is joy rather than guilt,
there is love rather than shame. And to get there,
we're going to have to trust that we are supposed
to be here. We are not the cancer of the planet.

(01:08:32):
We are the potential energy of the planet. We are
the highest expression that the planet has made so far,
and we can stay to play if we choose. And
so we need to take the neck off the planet.
We need to take the knee off the neck of
the planet, take the knee off the neck of one another,
and start to move in a state of abundance. And
we will do this as we find those quiet spies
around the flame, breathe slower, breathe deeper, as individuals, as

(01:08:59):
a planet, and in so doing start to feel the future.
And this is the mystery that we see baking all
over the world. I'm very gifted in my career right
now that i get to travel all over the place
all the time. And so in the more than one
and a half million miles I've flown over the last
ten years, I've gotten to meet nearly every people group

(01:09:19):
on the planet. And I've spent time in so many
continents over the last couple of years, and for all
of the fear and guilt and shame that we just
exercise as a plan that I have never seen more optimism,
more excitement, more of that bubbling energy of oh my gosh,
it's about to arrive. We are about to arrive. Something
is about to happen. This is so exciting to be

(01:09:39):
alive right now. I hear that all the time. It's
so exciting to be alive right now. So what is
the light that's shining so bright in humanity as our
biologic light dims. I think it's the original math. I
think it's the soul. The energy that animates life is
burning bright right now because it is not diminished by
the energies that it was putting into the biologic expression

(01:10:02):
of humanity. It is burning brighter because it says, look
beyond the flesh to find the truth, and in that
energy field you will find the new life that will
code for your new future. And so we have to
get to that hospice moment. We have to let the
lights almost die out so we can cross the veil
and see the truth and then come back and change everything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Incredible, Doctor Zach Bush. If anyone's listening right now and
they want to find that optimism. Maybe join your eight
day program to learn more about the solution aspect of
everything you've been sharing today. Where should they go? How
can they connect with you and connect with your work?

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
The easiest place for all the work is Zachbush MD
dot com. The Journey of Intrinsichealth dot com is the
eight week program. The Intelligence of Nature dot com is
all of the deep soil science and the supplements and
everything else that have come out of that soil science
and the study of life state and the solutions to it.
There's an opportunity for you guys to engage also just

(01:10:58):
in community with us, because it's one thing to take
a supplement or take a class, but ultimately, if we
don't come into connected community, we're not going to create
that future that we have. And so there's an opportunity
for you to engage in the community platforms that we've
been creating across many of these products, going deeper than
the product to really start to create the solutions for
the future that we can all feel is already here.

(01:11:20):
And that's my greatest excitement is watching people come together.
There's something called quorum sensing that I find really beautiful.
When you get enough biodiversity into a living environment. Suddenly
the whole thing does something more intelligent than any constituent
can do. And so we need to do a quorum
sensing moment as not just humanity, but as a planet.
And so we need to connect to our ecosystems and

(01:11:41):
diversity and cultures and for their diversity, the arts and
their diversity, the dance and the storytelling and the flames
and a million different iterations. Then we need to bring
that in together for a very bright flame to burn
and for us to connect to that quorum sensing moment
where we do quantum intelligence not from the mind, but
from that knowingness within you community connect that we've we
hope to meet you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
It's beautiful. Thank you so much. I hope that everyone
has been listening and watching. I hope you go and
check it out. And Zach, we end every episode of
On Purpose with a final five or a fast five,
and these questions have to be answered in one word
to one sentence maximum, And Zach Bush, these are your
final fives. So the first is, what is the best
advice you've ever heard, given or received?

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Slow down?

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
What is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Stop?

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Moving, Stop moving? Question number three, what's something that you
used to value that you no longer value anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Marriage?

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Interesting? In what sense?

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
You said? One word?

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Yeah, and now I'm digressing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
It was my most important value system through most of
my life. And it's not to say that marriage is
not important on our human journey, but it was the
course of miracles that really unveiled what was happening in
my effort towards marriage. And I enjoyed my marriage at
twenty year marriage with my wife and two amazing kids.

(01:13:11):
And then she found a new path, and there was
a decision whether to see that as a failure or
to actually, for the first time in our twenty years together,
practiced the unpart of unconditional love. And I realized during
our journey towards divorce, when I realized that she was
definitely going to take this other pass, it was a
realization of I really do love this person, and I'm

(01:13:35):
sitting here telling her how much I love her, and
therefore she shouldn't leave me. Oh my gosh, what is that?
That is the deepest condition I could possibly I love you,
but only if you stay right next to me, and
I own this thing, and so that was my journey
personally and to deep heartbreak that led to the deepest
joy that a person cann't have. Is the exercise of

(01:13:57):
unconditional love. And I certainly I didn't do it perfectly.
I didn't do it well, But my gosh, did I
live differently after that moment where I realized I can
love her on this path that she knows she's chosen.
And we've gotten to watch both of us bloom into
people we could have never become in that marriage because
it was a box that was an agreement of no change.

(01:14:18):
And as we back up, I think we're going to
realize that we put love and relationship into a box
of ownership just in the last couple hundred years. It
never existed before. We developed this ownership model so we
could pass wealth from generation to generation, not realizing when
we built the box, we would crush love, which is
ultimately the capacity to see beauty in another. And if

(01:14:40):
for a moment you think you can own another's beauty,
you have stolen it from them ultimately, and they will
become miserable and you will forget why you fell in
love with them because you can't see their beauty anymore.
And so in a radical way. We're going to have
to release each other from the boxes we put each
other in. It doesn't mean the end of relationship is
probably the birth of human relationship. Maybe for the time,
but certainly in recent modern times. We're going to have

(01:15:03):
to release ourselves from the box and we have to
do partnership relationships in much, much radically different ways. And
they're going to have to come out of the fear
of not having enough love and start to come from
an abundance model where everything.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Is love, beautiful. Thank you for sharing that, thank you
for opening up, and that's really really beautiful to hear.
I'm glad. I asked us to go off piece to
orr a question of before, what's something you're trying to
learn right now? Are skilled?

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
You're trying to learn beauty the witness of beauty.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
And the fifth and final question is if you could
create one law that everyone in the world had to follow,
what would it be?

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Biodiversity?

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Could you expand so that we can contextualize it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
There's a known phenomenon of blue zones around the planet
where people tend to live a past one hundred years,
and so here we are on the Number one Health podcast,
in the world what makes people live longer than one
hundred years? And we've tried to boil it down to nutrition,
and we found that almost everyone to make completely differently,
and some of them made only cooked food, only meat,
only veggies, the whole thing only raw. We saw it all.

(01:16:06):
In the end, what we have found is that those
that will live on our years live in a culture
and communities that hold at their highest value the opportunity
for new connection to buy a diverse ideas and peoples.
And this was taught to me by a couple out
of Ikorea, Greece, a Grecian island that is an incredible
blue zone there, and they came and prepared a traditional
five course Greek meal for a group of us, and

(01:16:29):
I gave this toast at the end that said, you know,
this is the micro biome being nourished, and we'll live forever.
We'll be like a blue zone because the nourishment is
so to eat, the nutrients were so rich, it was
all from so this beautiful thing. I was crying. Everybody's crying.
Is a beautiful toast. And then guy from Akorea stands
up and says, doctor, that was very interesting, but you're
completely wrong, and he said that the only reason we
live past one hundred years is not for what we eat,

(01:16:50):
but is because every night there's a chair set at
our table, hoping that somebody we don't know shows up
and shares that meal with us. In Korea, we never
ask each other what did you eat last night? We
always ask who did you eat with last night? And
that's what we're missing from society today. And so when
we talk about biodiversity, it's certainly true at the soil level.
If we don't start living for the soil beneath our

(01:17:11):
feet and enriching that with every action we take, whether
it be a political move, a social move, and industrial move,
economic move, if it's not supporting the soil, we would
destroy ourselves in the same way. If we continue to
listen in the echo chamber of our minds and those
people we are married to, and we create these nuclear families,
and we listen to the same box every day, whether

(01:17:33):
it be a TV or our own brain, we will
diminish our biodiverse ideas and our biodiverse capacity for creativity,
and therefore we will lose the opportunity to stay in play.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Doctor Zach Bush, thank you for such a fascinating and
unique conversation, one that was full of refreshing insights and ideas.
And I'm hoping to everyone who's listening and watching, wherever
you are in the world, I hope that you will
go and follow doctor Zach Bush learn more about his
incredible work, to tag us both and share your insights,
your takeaways, the nuggets that stood out to you. Maybe

(01:18:05):
there were messages or words that are ones that you're
going to hold on to and it's going to shift
the way that you practice your health and wellness routines
and regimes. And so if you've been listening on watching,
make sure you tag us and share what you learned
and what you gained from this episode. And doctor Zach Burst,
thank you so much for your time, your energy, your
presence and everything that you've shared with us today. Thank

(01:18:27):
you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Honored be heard and seen by you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Very grateful. Thank you. If you love this episode, you'll
enjoy my interview with doctor Daniel Ahman on how to
change your life by changing your brain. If we want
a healthy mind, it actually starts with a healthy brain.
You know, I've had the blessing or the curse to
scam

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Over a thousand convicted felons and over one hundred murderers,
and their brains are very damaged.

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