Hannah Berner: Why Getting Fired Was the Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me

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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Today I wasn't happy, and I was burnt, and I
just felt like a punching bag. And I also was
getting really bad performance anxiety. Right before I did my
first ever stand up set, I thought, oh no, I'm
going to start getting those feelings I would get before
for a match of just like dread and.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Shame and stand up.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I went on stage and I felt a calmness I
hadn't felt before. It's kind of like why I try
to fit into something that isn't right, so I urge
people to find their calm.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
The number one health and wellness podcast Jay Shetty Jay
Shetty See One Only Shedy. Hey, everyone, welcome back to
on Purpose. I am so excited for today's guest. I
was a guest on her show probably just over a
year ago. We had the best time, and if you
haven't listened to it, I hope you will after this episode.

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Today's guest is someone that is known for being hilariously funny,
extremely witty, someone who's got the ability to make you think, laugh,
and all of the same at the same time. Her
name is Hannah Berner, one of the most influential rising
comedians of this generation. She has two hit podcasts, Is
If One Wasn't Good Enough Gigle Squad and Bernafhone, which

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have goneered over one hundred million combined DOWNLOADSAH video series
Hanna on the Street has earned over three hundred and
fifty million views, and Hannah was named one of Variety's
Top ten Comics to Watch in twenty twenty three. She
also just finished touring her solo stand up routine to
sold out theaters across North America and Europe, and William

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Bark on a Club Gigli national tour with co host
Paige Disorbo. The duo will release their book How to Giggle,
A Guide to Taking Life Less Seriously via Simon and
Schuster on April fifteenth, twenty twenty five. So let's look
forward to and most recently, Hannah debuted her first Netflix
comedy special, We Ride at Dawn, which premiered at number

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two on the platform and is streaming now. Welcome to
the show, Hannah Bernard, and.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
People got everything. I've nothing left to say.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
That's it. You No, thank.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
You for that. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
It's amazing. It's so fun. Like when we met last year,
I was learning all of my team are huge fans,
like huge fans, and I was learning so much about
you through them, and they were just like, this is
it's amazing, you know, And just to see the incredible
journey you've been on over the last eighteen months is amazing.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
And I was gonna started by asking you, like, have
you always been this confident?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh my god, I think I always was delusional, Like
I always was like bored without having like a dream,
Like at like seven years old, I wanted to be
a professional tennis player, and someone told my parents like
she's too late to start. My parents told me, like,
you can't be a professional tennis player. Someone told us that,

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and apparently I cried all day, like what kind of
passionate little seven year old? Was like how dare they
tell me I can't do that? And then I just
was like that's my dream. I just always wanted to.
I wanted to be like different and great in some capacity,
which could be very ego now that I'm looking back,
but like I just wanted to challenge myself and chase something.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Had you ever played tennis before? I go?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I still haven't played tennis night now.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I was like I was at I was an athletic kid,
and I think like I was the Serena generation. Like
seeing Serena, I was like, why can't that be me?
It was always kind of like, yeah, why can't I
do that? I don't know if it was intrinsically, like
my dad definitely instilled a lot of belief in me,
and I just always was like why can't me, especially
in like spaces that I felt like I didn't belong,

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whether it was like male dominated spaces or just like
like places that I didn't think easily I could get into.
I Even my dad has a story that we were
ice skating once when I was like six, and all
the girls were in the middle doing the jumps and
then everyone else is like scared holding the rink on
the outside, and I was like, I want to go
to the middle, and he was like, you've never ice
skated before, and I'm like, put me in the middle, coach.

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So I just always had that attitude, and it's it's
hard to always be chasing like lofty goals, but I
think that's like the high that I like.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, that's dope. I mean, that's such a great mindset.
I mean, you reminded me of me. I skating when
I was young. I was I was like, I'm so bad,
but I could skate then and I couldn't stop, Like
I didn't matter slow down, so I would just fall when
I had to stop. And now it's like I'm the
guy holding the side.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Guy I get older, You're like, this is an insane
hobby to have. Yeah, Like, there's so many things that
can go wrong totally.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I've seen people like break their teeth and ship them
and I've seen fingers flying things flying. I'm like, I
don't need that to happen at this age, but it
seems like you've channeled that into your career, right, like
that energy, it's not like it got lost somewhere. Yeah,
But before we get to that, I wanted to ask
you a few more things because when I was looking
into parts of your journey and what you've talked about,
what you haven't.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
There's a lot of lives and like a cat, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
You've lived so many lives. But I feel you've been
amazing at pivoting and you've been like what I what
I like to think of, like an expert in quitting,
Like you've been good at you can.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Say firing, you can say you don't have to sugarcoat it. No,
it's funny. I recently was like dming an astrologer as
you do, and she was like, you're really about like
rebirth and you're all about like things falling apart and
then coming up like a phoenix. And I was like,
why couldn't I have something easier.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Be my purpose?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
But I've Yeah, I when I outgrow something or don't
feel right, like, I get out of it, and sometimes
people get out of it for me when I don't
have the balls to be like, this isn't my space anymore.
But yeah, I've been I had to quit. I quit tennis,
so I felt like a loser even though I spent

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my whole life pursuing it and I played number one
for the University of Wisconsin full scholarship. Like externally, people
were like, she's successful. Or in my head, I'm like,
I'm a loser failure because I didn't win Wimbledon. And
then I'm like, why did I do all that? And
then I got into eventually got into video production, and
I got fired from that drum and then I did

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really TV and I got fired from that and now
I have enough look special, But it really where some
people might be like, oh, like you're getting fired. I
really was like I was finding myself every time. And
the more you are connected to yourself, the more and
honest you are with yourself and in tune with yourself,
the more spaces might not be right for you. I've

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never been good at just like blindly following. I don't
like being fake. I can't pretend to be happy like
my body will reject situation the same with like relationships,
like I can't the second I'm like, this is not
right for me. I like blurted out, like like it
needs to come out.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
How will your body tell you that? Like what's the anxiety?

Speaker 3 (07:38):
And it's funny. At first I was like, oh, no,
do I have anxiety?

Speaker 2 (07:40):
And I've talked to people and they're like, no, your
intuitions actually really good.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
You just have to listen to it.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
But when you question it, that's when you like, I've
been in places where I'm like I must self sabotaging,
but my body's just like this isn't for you.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
That's so powerful. I love that you said that because
I think we don't connect those two things. We see
it as, oh, I'm having anxious feelings. I feel nervous.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Body's protecting you.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, totally, but it is signaling something, it's telling you something.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, because I feel like we can lie to ourselves
a lot, especially when you're like mentally strong, and in
tennis you have to really suppress your mind. You have
to be like, I'm not nervous, I'm not tired, I'm
so ready for this match, and you have to like.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Numb your your inner thoughts.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
And as I got older, I realized weight I have
to start listening to my inner thoughts because they're actually right.
And with tennis, I realize looking back, all the success
I have now is because of the tennis training I had.
It really was part of who I am now. Like,
just because you lost a dream doesn't mean that's not
going to make you better at something else. It's not like, oh,

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that was a waste, which I love to tell people,
but also like I love divorce, love, I love firing,
I love leaving places that aren't right for you, And
I feel like so many times you think you have
to stay. I think the coolest part about life is
tomorrow I could wake up and say I don't want
to do this anymore, and there's such a beauty in that.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, why do you think we project that expectation onto
a dream? Like if you think about it, when you
think you're going to become a tennis player today, you're
a comedian. You've lived a million lives in between. I'm
sure you'll live a million more and you'll keep evolving.
But a lot of us, like you said, we just
stayed glued. So I could have been, I should have

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been if only I would have been, And that way
we never shift our lens what allows you to be
so positive about going Let me trust that that isn't
for me, and I don't fit in here. If people
are listening and watching and they're thinking their first dream
hasn't come true or they failed at their first dream, yeah,
how do you start believing in a second dream.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's so funny because everything is perspective, like even me
joking like I did that that was a waste and
I didn't when Wimbledon and you laughed like it's funny,
But then it's also like comeing up.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
When I was I was like, the fact you didn't
win Wimbledon, you're a piece of shit, because that was
twenty years of putting your heart and soul into this dream.
But when I when I started doing comedy, my career
likes sended like I abnormally fast and it's I tell people,
I'm like, it's because I had a career before this
to prepare me. And I approach comedy the way I

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approached tennis. But like healthier tennis, I was very hard
on myself and I had the work ethic, but I
didn't always practice smart.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
I was very.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Like negative self talk, and with comedy I'm now like
recoaching myself in a new way. So I'm like, when
you go on stage, you're gonna be positive, you're not
a loser when you mess up. And I get to
speak to myself the way I wish I was spoken
to in my past career. And I see so many
people who are like sad because they're ending something, and

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I'm like, you're gonna be so good at the next thing.
And also there's a lot of shame that comes with
like when you didn't accomplish something you wanted to. But
these are all just your own games you're playing in
your head of what you should be. Because if I
look back, I actually my first love was like acting
and being goofy, like I love drama class, I love painting,

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I loved creating, but I happened to be super athletic,
and that was where I was kind of pushed towards.
And looking back, I'm like, wait, I didn't think you
could make money doing what you love. I thought you
had to be like a tortured athlete who was just
like on the grind. And for anyone who's feeling kind
of not having a purpose right now, think back to

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what you loved when you were a kid, and I
know it sounds crazy, but like you can still be
that kid and have that joy before society told you
all these things that you.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Should do to be successful.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
And I kind of realized tennis there were too many
rules and I like don't enjoy playing by the rules,
Like I don't like staying in the box, and tennis
was all about like.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Hitting in the lines. Yeah, and stand up.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I think I love because like I go on stage
and no one can tell me what to do, and
it turns out that's where I can be my most myself.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
I love that you would have been that play smashing
the racket.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Oh I've broken rackets.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
I've definitely you know, had like coaches that wanted me
to change stuff about my game that I would try,
but I didn't.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Really believe it. It was a lot of like just.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Trust your coach and don't listen to yourself, and it
really it made me who I am. And I actually
couldn't watch tennis for years after. I was very like
it was like an ex boyfriend, like because it was
the longest relationship I ever had. Yeah, So but now
I like love tennis like I have it on all
the time. I played a lot this summer to get fit,

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and I was like, wait, it's it's a part of
me and it makes me who I am, and me
calling myself a loser is just that's a perspective you
can take or you can be. Like, by the way,
I actually was really good at tennis back in the day.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Isn't that cool?

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I can relate to you in so many ways, like
my life's so different, but as you're speaking, I feel
exactly the same way. Like I think even when we
sat on your show, I was talking about how leaving
being a monk felt like a divorce at the time, Yes,
and because I felt like I was getting married. It
was a commitment, it was something I was really excited about.
And then now it's been eleven years since I've left

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the monastery and I am so happy I left. And
I couldn't agree with you more that I too, have
lived so many lives in between that and this. I
went back into the corporate world. I worked in a
massive corporation with five hundred thousand employees and all of
what that looked like. And then I worked at a
media company. I was at half Post for briefly, and
so I've lived so many lives, and I couldn't agree

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with you more that I've just constantly tried to move
closer to who I really am and align with how
I want to express myself who I want to be.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
And you can't just know it.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
You can't, like you have to go through those trials
and tribulations. Like I tried entertainment in so many different ways,
Like I were at a company, I did reality TV,
like I did a lot of things that I did
it and I was like, doesn't really feel right, but
I do like parts of it. So then you grow
and you just take what you learned. That's why anyone
who's having a tough time in their twenties, you're supposed
to have a tough time. Like the twenties, everyone's flailing,

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and you take that time. So by the time you
get to thirty, you're like, Oh, first of all, I'm tired.
I'm too tired to be like upset about things. And two,
I kind of know what I like and what I
don't like.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, is it true that I've I heard somewhere very
briefly that you were hit by a car?

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Is that? Like? I because I couldn't really I was trying.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
To I don't like say it that much because I
don't want people to think I stopped tennis because I
got hit by a fire right. But my last year
at University of Wisconsin, I was playing number one for
the team and I kind of had this idea that
if I had a great season, I would then go pro.
And this season was it was going pretty well, and

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then right before like the Big Ten tournament, I got
hit by a car going to practice and it was
like seven am University of Wisconsin. It was like zero degrees.
I had a big park on and a guy hit
me from the car and I'm lying on the ground,
and the first thing I thought about was like, tell
my coach, I'm gonna be late because I'm gonna be
in trouble cause like he's gonna be like, why is

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she not here?

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Like I was. So it's almost.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Cultish, like you're just so obsessed with this team and
doing your best and winning. And I recovered after a
couple of months, but I wasn't like my sharpest and
I lost.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
This is very sports talk, but I.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Lost five matches in third set tiebreakers, So it basically
means like I'm like one or two points were the
difference in five matches, and if I had won those
five matches, I would have like won all these awards,
I would have probably gone pro and for whatever reason,
like these are really just these minuscule moments, I didn't

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win those matches, and I remember being like I think
the universe like a person can only take so much.
But the thing is I could have kept playing tennis
and I would have been fine. But I knew there
was more happiness in life that I just wasn't living

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and I wasn't happy, and I was burnt and I
just felt like a punching bag. And I also was
getting really bad performance anxiety. And what's cool about the
performance anxiety is that I thought I would have it
in comedy too, and I didn't. Like right before I

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did my first ever stand up set, I thought, oh no,
I'm going to start getting those feelings I would get
before a match of just like dread and shame and
like judgment day, like whatever happens is gonna there's a
lot weighing on it. And stand up I went on
stage and I felt a calmness I hadn't felt before,
so I urged people to find their calm. It's kind

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of like why try to fit into something that isn't right?
And I do think I was playing for other people
besides myself. I wanted my parents to be proud of me.
I wanted my peers to think I was cool, and
that's all you know when you're younger.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, yeah, I like that idea of moving towards your calm.
I mean it's the same in relationships, yes, like I had,
You're so right one of my friends, she's gonna hate
me for putting it out. One of my friends messaged
me the other day and she was just like, just
went out of this guy. He was perfect, we had
the same values. He'd be an amazing dad. But I
just didn't feel it. And I was like, dude, did

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you feel peace? Did you feel calm? And she was
like I felt so peaceful, felt so calm. I was like,
you should at least give it a second date or
a fair day, like you don't just write it off.
And it was so interesting to me how we're so
averse to things feeling aligned, Like we have this kind
of allergic reaction when something feels aligned, and something actually
feels you.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Almost feel guilty.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
When something comes easy, You're like that's not how it's
supposed to be. The dating stuff is so funny because
I have a friend who like loves dating like drummers
who were in jail, Like that's her thing, and she's
gorgeous and like such a catch, but she loves these
like projects to take on and she recently met this
guy and she was like, I love him, but like
I feel like he needs like a neck tattoo or something.

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And I was like, let's just take a breather keep
seeing him, because Yeah, there was this addiction to tennis
that almost wasn't that healthy, Like I was addicted to
the drama and the the just like the anxiety it
was provoking in the highs, and I was actually still
able to find those highs in comedy that was just

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like less torturous to me.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, I really like that comparison between the two because
obviously you were brilliant at both. And it's hard to decipher,
Like I meet a lot of people who are like, Jay,
I could do this, or I could do this, which
one should I do? Yeah, it's like a very common
question that I get, Like I'm passionate about this, and
I'm passionate about this, and what I hear what you're
saying to kind of deciphering divide the two is well,

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maybe you're addicted to this, and maybe you have a
lot of affection for this over here, and go with
the thing that feels less overtly stressful, less dramatic, less
like the high's really high and the loads really low.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yes, right, Yes, I mean I'm kind of obsessed with.
And by obsessed with, I mean I heard about it
once and I like it stoicism because.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
That was not my life.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
It's like, especially as an athlete, as a tennis player,
you're like.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Losing all the time, or you're like I'm the greatest
that ever did this, or you're like, oh so going
to quit.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
And I think what I realized with tennis, and it
was hard to admit, but I actually did not like
the competition. But I thought that was just a problem
that I had to overcome. I was like, you're you're
just not doing it right. But all the girls around
me would be like, I actually hate practice, but like
I love the competition, and the competition is literally what

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it means to be a professional athlete. When it came
to comedy, some people will be like, I hate going
on stage. I live for the stage, Like I'm more
uncomfortable at like a group dinner.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
But if you give me because I'm like, when do
I talk, do it? Do less?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Door?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
I do more?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
But when I have a mic on stage, I know
exactly what to do. And it's corny to say, but like,
go towards your purpose and go to and the calmness
is where it's like, oh, this is where you're supposed
to be. It's almost like with friend groups, like you
know when you're with people and you just feel like
I'm saying everything wrong. I'm awkward. Oh my god, I
hate myself. I'm so embarrassed. You could say those same

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things with the right people and you would feel like comfortable.
So I feel like that with careers. So going back
to your question of which one should I do? I
literally did not like competing, but I liked I was
so comfortable with the idea of being a tennis player
and overcoming this performed anxiety and getting to the next level.

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And it's like, if you're going to do something for
a long time and be good at it and want
to be successful, you have.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
To like it. And I know that sounds so simple.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
People come up to me.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
They're like, I want to start a podcast. What should
I do?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
And I'm like, do something that you would do for
free and talk about for years. Yeah, you can't just
do it because you're like, oh, I want to see
my face on a chart. There. You won't make it.
There's no longevity in that. They are also my people.
I was going through a hard time with reality TV actually,
and I started doing stand up and I would tell

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people what I'm going through, and the stand ups were
just like making fun of me and seeing it through
their lens. I suddenly felt safe, I felt calm, and
I started to relate to them. I'm like, wait, I
think like these people. Finding community is a huge part
of my happiness. Where tennis is very lonely, yeah, everyone
was my competition, and comedy is lonely too, but I

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was able to find a community within it.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
It's interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I'm like figuring this out right now as I'm speaking,
because people will say, like, it's not about money, it's
not about fame, it's about community. But I'm a pretty
like I don't love partying, socialize, but comedy I almost
accidentally found people who accepted me, which I think has
overall helped my day to day like happiness.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
You've reminded me of this great book that I read
a long time ago called Flow State. It's all about flow,
and it talks about this idea that comedians, speakers, musicians,
athletes experience flow state. Flow state is defined as when
your skills meet the challenge. So when your skills in
challenge are perfectly aligned, you experience flow. But well, most

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of us experience are the opposite. So we experience our
skills being above our challenge, so we feel bored and
frustrated and kind of lethargic. Or you experience where your
challenge is way above your skills, and then you feel
depressed and you feel annoyed, and you feel control out
of control. And so we've got to constantly find a
space or find the thing where your challenges and your

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skills meet. And I've always liked that idea. And how
does competition look like as a comedian?

Speaker 3 (23:00):
To me, it was like arts and crafts.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I was like, we're all just painting, and like, I
like your painting, you like mine.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
And I think.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Some some comics get really into the comparison game because
it's easy to be like, why did they get picked
for that or they get picked for that.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
And I think I don't have an ego with.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Comedy, because I'll Beyonnest. I have an ego with tennis.
Tennis was my everything, So comedy to me was something
I no one even anticipated me to be in. So
I have a lot of gratitude and it's almost like
because of my failure with tennis, I'm able to have
such a nice outlook in the comedy space. Every now

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and then, you know, I do have that like tennis
voice that comes in. I remember before I shot my
Netflix special, it started to hit me the result voice
that I have that with tennis, which was like, oh,
your whole career is writing on this and comedy. I
consider myself in a flow state because I'm not trying
to be perfect on stage.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
It's about my energy, it's vibes.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I always say, people don't remember the joke you said,
they remember how you made them feel.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
But then for the Netflix.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Special, I felt like, oh my god, this is like
a final, like I have to get every word right,
and the perfectionist like tennis players start coming back. I
like called my therapist. I was like getting a beta blocker,
like I was I started to get this crazy anxiety,
and I feel like it was almost like, if you
want to get to the next level, you have to

(24:26):
face those demons that you thought you could just like
leave by going to another career. I'm still the same
person who was having trouble with tennis, so I was
able to kind of battle some demons. I remember a
quote that I loved that was like, what if you
let your dreams come true? And I remember being like,
I think you're not the same girl. Actually, you've grown,

(24:49):
you've matured, You're safer mentally, and right before I went on,
I was very nervous. Right before I went on, I
was like, you're in control and your skills are ready
for them. And I felt the same with Fallon, where
I was like, you could go up and fumble all
your words and blank out, because that was what I
would do on the court. I would anything I was

(25:09):
scared of. I would do like, oh no, I hope
it don't double fault. I double fault. Like it was
so frustrating, and comedy has been a way for me
to like just like a new avenue for me to
express myself in a much more like safer, positive place.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, but I have the.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Same like drive and work ethic I think I had
with Tennis.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I really love the way you've analyzed both. And I
think anyone who's listening right now would gain so much
from it, because I think so many people are doing
this mental exercise in their head, like the pros and
cons of like if I stay in this job, what's
it going to feel like? If I quit my job,
what's it going to feel like? Well, if I if
I start a podcast, as the example you gave, or
if I do this, what's it going to feel like?
And the truth is, this is what you've got to

(25:49):
move towards.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
And I also think we're told a lot like keep
chasing your dreams, pushed through.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Don't quit.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
So I'm not telling everyone to quit, but I actually
think that you know when you're supposed to get out
of something, and I think I knew it with Tennis.
When the Winds, I was feeling nothing. It was like
a drug where if I lost, I'd feel horrible, and
then the winds I wasn't even getting the highs anymore.
So in my head it's like, why am I doing
this if I'm not even getting a high anymore? And

(26:18):
I think That's when I knew, like, we're not even
chasing anything anymore. We're just at We're just trying to
stay afloat. And that's when you know, like, oh the
love is gone. And I also tell people like when
they're confused about jobs, relationships, I'm like, and if you
made the wrong decision, go back. Then no one's like,
there's no police that are policing your decisions of being like, oops,

(26:41):
I messed up. And sometimes when you give people the
freedom to be like you can go back, they leave.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah. What's really great is that it sounds like you
evaluate things as how you feel about them. And so
I wonder what's your relationship like with wanting to be liked.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I'm a people pleaser. I'm nothing to be a comedian
like you want ever? Would have like the best time ever?
And that brings me joy. I think I have to
think reality TV because my reality TV my biggest fear
was to be perceived not who I was. But when
you're twenty six, you don't know who you are, Like
I remember, I'd go into social situations and I put

(27:18):
a lot of pressure on myself to be like I want.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Everyone to think I'm really funny.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
And I'm really nice and I'm and I care about
them and I'm smart, and it's like putting so much
pressure on myself every time it interacts. I wanted to
be control of everything. I was like a type A
student and achiever, and reality TV you give up control.
My first two seasons were good. My third season I
experienced what people like tell you could happen, which is

(27:42):
like you lose the narrative and they're not showing your
perspective anymore. They're showing it through like other lenses. And
it was my biggest fear to be misunderstood, like there's
one thing for tennis or comedy for people to be
like I don't like how she play it, I don't
like her jokes, but to be perceived based on like
things that didn't actually happen was very painful for me,

(28:03):
and I think I realized I also didn't have the
heart for it, like I was too sensitive to be
in a show that was about kind of.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Like who's good, who's bad? Who were rooting for?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Like WWE type stuff, where I was like, it really
is like sports for women of being like, let's who
we're gonna root for this season? Who actually sucks that
we didn't know and that energy was I was not
good with it and I got fired, and at the
time I was like I got a talk show from it,
and I was like, you just ub your chance. And

(28:37):
also I was confused because I was like I was
engaging with everything, I was responding to everything. I did
everything everyone wanted me to do. So the math wasn't
mathing my like Tennis mind of like, I worked hard,
I'm doing well, and I got fired. If I didn't
get fired, I wouldn't have a Netflix special, and I
also would probably not be in a healthy marriage. And
I also would probably not feel like myself. So but

(29:00):
also when I got fired, I laugh, but ooh, I
got a fire in me. And I think it goes
back to that rebirth thing. I realized the one thing
I can control that I'm so proud of myself is
that I can handle adversity. The stuff I went through
with Tennis. It was I went through some bad stuff
like yips, like someone Biles type stuff, not to that level, obviously,

(29:24):
but I will bounce back and I don't care what
people try to do to me or what happens to me.
The cream will rise like I'm kind of annoying, where
like I'm all about justice and I want everything to
be in the right place and for everyone be treated right.
It's not life, but you're not a victim. You have
to again have the perspective of like just because I failed,

(29:47):
just because I got fired, that.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Doesn't have to define you.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
So I kind of got this silly idea where I
was like, Okay, I got fired from really TV show
and didn't feel like my I was shown to be
who I was authentically.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
What if I became like the biggest comedian I could.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Be, which again not a normal thought so much I have,
but that's I always think big, Like that's how I've
always thought. I really like put the head down and
was so motivated by the firing, like I wouldn't be
here if I wasn't fired, and it wasn't like these people.
It was like I hear you, I see you. Let's

(30:26):
find a new outlet. Even I remember after tennis when
I just discovered comedy, I felt like a horse that
was like walking around lost and then finally they put
me in my lane and I was like, I found
my lane. So I just wanted to find my lane,
and then I could go and finding your lane is
very fun because you're just like self exploratory.

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(32:15):
does Bravo tell you that you're fired over Zoom? Really?

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Well, it's during COVID.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I think it was kind of like you're not coming back.
And I think it's hard because with a lot of people,
your whole thing is about your story, which is like
the ebbs and flows of evolving, and Bravo's very like,
well break you down, we'll build you back up. So
they kind of were like, and this is the end
for you. So then it was like really in my
court to be now punintended, but to be like where

(32:42):
do I take this from here? And I learned a
lot about like production, reality and unscripted stuff that definitely
helped me like do fun stuff and will help me
do fun stuff later in my career. Wow.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, and how many people on this zoon? I think
it was me and two people Okay, yeah, it's quite intnight.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah it was. And it's also you're getting
fired for like being you.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
It was pretty hurtful.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Did you cry?

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
And also you felt like you lost all the friends
who the show was about. It basically was like, no
one wants to be friends with you anymore. Looking back,
it was such a blessing and people kept telling that
to me. They were like, you're so lucky. This is
for a reason, and don't you hate that when you're
going to Yes, this is for a reason. And I'm like,
I need to make money, like I lost both my jobs,

(33:32):
Like I was on a talk show too, and I
was just like I have nothing and I have a
guy who I'm engaged to who in my head it
was like why would you want to be with me
when I'm a failure? Because whenever I used to win
and do well, people loved me more. So this was
a really like pivotal moment of like I had to
love myself and believe in myself because like no one
was going to fix it.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
What's the difference between self confidence and self worth? And
how did you work on the latter.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I think I realized that my power is how I
deal with adversity. It's not avoiding adversity, And I think
for people who deal with that in relationships, I realize,
like when you marry someone, you're dating someone, you're dealing
with their life, which is full of ups and downs.
So when someone's with you, it's not about being perfect
and easy going and cool girl, like that's what I

(34:20):
wanted to be, but like, realistically, I just got fired,
And you're finding someone who's going to be with you
through the highs and lows, and no one's life is
perfect and no one's relationship is going to be perfect.
Who's going to be in the trenches with you? And like,
I found my person to be in the trenches with me.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
How did you stop yourself from letting any bitterness or
revenge mindset creep in.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I do want to say, I fully do have a
revenge mindset, but my revenge is never to hurt people.
They're already hurt. They're hurting you, obviously they're hurt if
they tried to hurt you. It's like the classic quote,
but like you being mad at them is just like
you adding venom to yourself, and they clearly don't give

(35:03):
a fuck.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
About you because they hurt you.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I realized that people's hate towards me was because they
saw something in me, and I almost took it as
a compliment. Honestly, getting fired is there's some star power too,
Like there's a and I'm not telling everyone, you know,
get fired because you'll find your purpose. But it's like
I listened. I wasn't like trying to undo the past.
I was like, I can't change what happened. I can

(35:28):
only change going forward. And I think great athletes are
like that, Like you make a mistake and instead of
harping on the mistake, that's not going.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
To help you in this next point. Yeah, and I
dealt with.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
A lot of depression, a lot of you know, questioning
why why Why me. I wasn't just like completely you know,
strong out of it. But I do think I have
a lot of gratitude now. I even like I went
to some like hotel recently and someone was complaining about
like how the hotel sucked or whatever or something happened,

(35:59):
and I was like, I remember when no one would
have even booked me to be able to stay at
this hotel to perform absolutely so the lows actually have
given me the mindset for success.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
But also the right seeds planted in those lows, because
in one sense, that's what I was getting at that
if you had planted it out of this bitterness, I'm
going to show you. You know, you realize how great
I am when you do it from perspective, which which
is natural. By the way, I'm not even judging anyone
who has that intention. It's just that if that's the

(36:30):
seed you plant, then even if you make it to
that hotel, or make it to that podium, or make
it to a Netflix special, you will never go sleep happy.
Like it's just not possible.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
That's yeah, That's why I remember, like they never liked you,
They're not going to like you totally. Like everyone's dealing
with their shit. But I do have to say I
don't forgive people. I'm not going to be friends like
I learned from situations. But I also feel like my
particular situation, like I was on a show about friends
getting drunk and starting fights with each other and I
wasn't fitting in and people kind of turned on me,

(36:59):
and I was like, that's actually a compliment that, like
you weren't thriving in that environment. The friends that I've
been able to make recently, like I found the most smart, powerful,
inspiring people like Ali Riiseman. Has she been on this spot?
You have to have her on. She's an incredible gymnast
who was like the captain of the Olympic team was like, hey,

(37:21):
I love your special I'd love to get coffee. And
I was sitting there talking to this girl, feeling so
like lucky that I can even like understand how her
brain works and be connecting with her. Again, you go
back and you're like, thank god I got kicked out
of where I didn't belong.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah. You reminded me of a commence speech that Federick
just gave and he was talking about I love. He
was talking about how he's only won eighty percent of
games in his career, and he's only won just over
fifty percent of points yes in those games. Yes, And
so he was like, I have to get so used
to losing a point.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I always say, as a tennis player, to win six
four six four, you lose forty percent of the point exactly.
And it's and I do think that tennis mentality helped me,
Like when something bad would happen, I'd be like, yeah,
that's part of the ride. Yeah, And I also do
love storytelling. That's why, like this pod is so fun
for me. I love when bad things happen because I

(38:17):
am that person that's like I can't wait to go
on a podcast one day and be like I was
fired and sad and then I rose from the ashes.
And I do think people connect with me because they
see like, Okay, if she can do it, I can
do it. And that's what I want people to feel,
because it's it really is just your mentality. When you
get up in the morning, you're just like, I'm not

(38:37):
gonna let that past pain define me.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
When you're putting it into comedy, where's all the content
coming from the storytelling?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well, the funny thing about comedy is I definitely never
wanted to be a stand up comedian, and I think
it was a blessing in a way that like I
very have my own distinct voice and way I am
on stage, Like I wasn't ever trying to copy anyone else.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
I didn't even think I was.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Gonna get a Netflix special, so when I did, I
was kind of just like cool.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
And then I've been joking. I was like, what do
you do next?

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Do another Netflix special, like how many Netflix specials does
a person need? But it's been an interesting moment creatively
because with a stand up, after you do your hour,
the materials burned. They call it so unlike a singer
who can like theyt you write a great hit and
you can do it forever, like my hit is like
my great hit. I love my gun joke or my
quief joke. I can't do that anymore. So now I'm

(39:34):
doing these new material shows where it's basically like watching
your favorite athletes start as a beginner. So I'm literally
on stage being like, cankles are cankles?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Funny?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Do we like cankles? And I've had some insecurities being
like this is difficult. I went from a tried and
tested like hour that I know every single moment what
will happen and the laughs I'll get to being just
like feeling naked on stage. And my husband's been inspiring
because he's like, you don't even know, like the special
is gonna be better than the last one. So I think

(40:04):
with comedy, I like that it keeps me on my toes,
it keeps me I don't feel completely like I got
this all the time, and I think it keeps me
motivated because I feel so I'm constantly learning about myself
and challenging myself. Last week, I even I went on
stage just with a bunch of papers, which I've never
done before, and just was like, let's see what happens.

(40:24):
So look, maybe I'm sick in the head as we're
talking it out and I'm saying it out loud, but
I like to put myself in uncomfortable positions and see
how I can get out of it. I think that's
what crowd work is, which is something that I've taken
accustomed to.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I actually think it's the only mindset, like if you
know what you're going to do every month, you'll end
up living the same year again and again and again.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
And part of me is jealous of those people. I
do to say there are maybe some like neurotypical people
that are like I want to just like like I
want to go to work, i want to enjoy my friends,
I want to go home, and I'm so thankful for
this life. And I'm envious to those people like I
wish that are you actually well?

Speaker 3 (41:06):
I think that they actually are fulfilled. And then there's
people like.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Me who need some crazy shit to like feel alive
all the time. And I definitely am neurodivergent, like I'm
realizing now, Like I do think I have ADHD in
like a powerful way. Like when I'm doing a joke,
I could like know what crowd work I'm gonna do next,
and I'm also gonna do a callback to this joke,
Like I have a bazillion tabs open in my head
and I need constant dopamine hits. But it's it's made

(41:34):
me a creative and a performer. So I think like
both ways of life, Like you know, you see a
kid and you're like, this kid is happy, chilling, and
you see a kid that's just running around being chaotic,
and you're like they're just different vibes.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Totally, totally yeah, And I feel like everyone's needing to
balance out by doing the other. Yes, someone who lives
crazy a crazy life, like you can find more joy
from relationships and the simple things in some way, who's
living a more as you called it, a neurotypical life
also needs to find new goals and things to grow towards,
because both end up feeling out of balance and out

(42:09):
of scene.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Are you good at vacationing?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I really enjoy it. I wouldn't say I'm good at
it in the sense of I don't like I could
go years and probably did in the beginning, and then
I got a bit better at it and then probably
got bad again. Yeah, I'm okay at it.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I'd say i've recently, like this summer after the special,
I was like, take some time, yeah, and like you
wake up and you're.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Like, what are we doing? Oh, I'm good at that?
Oh I'm good at that. Once I'm there, I'm goody good.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I have I find with vacationing or like giving yourself breaks,
especially as the entrepreneur, because it's always like when you're
not working, you're just not like making money or whatever.
You'll be like, okay, let's relax, and it takes you
like four days to relax. Then you're finally relaxed and
it's like we got to go back home and you're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
No, yeah, I'm really lucky. I can like lock into
any mode that I'm in.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
That's good immediately more than me correct.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
But finding the time to get a way, that's what
I was thinking.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
I was like, you have to prioritize.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
That I'm not I'm okay at that, like sometimes I'm
good at planning it out, sometimes I'm not. I'm good
at starting my year off right, Like I always make
sure that I start my year off in India back
at the monastery taking time out, and I've done that
every year religiously for the past seven years or whatever
it is, maybe even more now, And that to me
is like I'm good at doing that.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
I heard the Dua Lipa always takes your line in
August off. I actually also could have started a rumor there,
but I heard that and I was like, do Leapa
is always like crushing it, And part of me like
loved that, and that means it's like European or something.
But I'm realizing in this life that like no one's
gonna make you take a break, and you actually have
to have the self love, even if you think you

(43:45):
don't need it to be like you do need to
have balance. And I'm a workaholic and I love the
highs of it, but I've also been working on like
also when you're relaxing, like don't be mean to yourself.
Don't spend the whole day relaxing being like you should
have gone to pilates. So it's you, Yeah, creating the
right narrative in your head of like that you're in
the right space at the right time is kind of

(44:06):
what I've been working on.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, now that you've started a crazy room about doing it. Now,
I was gonna ask you, what's the craziest rumor you've
ever heard about yourself?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I mean, honestly, the biggest rumors were like stuff that
would happen on reality TV, because like there would be
scenes where the back of my head would say something
to someone and I.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Was like, that was not what the response was.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
So it was like living with like moments that just
didn't happen that you had to kind of just like own.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
I didn't really own it. I would be like, no,
it didn't happen. Everyone like shut up.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
But I think my support system has been really great,
and I I only took it for granted or I
just I have very small support systems, So I never
thought that I was like special in any way, But
now I'm realizing, like it really is quality over quantity.
Like I always have that one best friend, my mom
and my dad, my brother and my husband, maybe a

(45:04):
couple other friends depending on the time. And I thought, like,
you're kind of a lonely bitch. But then these people
are so special that I can call it any time,
and they get me so well that I'm realizing more like, oh,
they got me through that, like I could not have
done it alone. Yeah, my poor mom, the calls she
has to takes.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
That's so wonderful to hear though. Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?
Because I think as things grow, also you realize the
different values of your community as well. As you get older,
you realize the value that they play in different You
go through more, you go through more, and so you
rely on them for more things. Like when you're a kid,
maybe they helped you move to college or maybe they
you know, it's things like that, Whereas when you grow up,

(45:46):
you're like, no, I just called you and cried for me.
It was like my mom saying something. I was going
through a tough time. And I don't really call my
mom for advice. I never have. Yeah, she's always been
loving in supporting.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
The very guy of you. Like my brother call my
mom like once a month and I called it.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I'm that color.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
I'm like, I'm eating chicken nugget.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah, exactly, that's my wife. My wife, her mom like
six times a day and I never I literally called
my mom once a month. And I remember my mom
just like once, like we were on a call and
I didn't tell her things were hard, but obviously she's
my mom. She can sense that things were hard. This
was like seven eight years ago, and she just said
like one of the most motivational things to me ever,

(46:23):
and she never does that, so like I'm not used
to that from her. And it was about me and
about something in my past I'll tell you off camera later,
and it was just one of those things that I
was like, no way, like I didn't even know we
had that relationship or you just gave me like a
really big gift in my I was just turning thirty
maybe like at that time, and I couldn't believe that

(46:44):
she said that to me then, and so I would
never have realized that if I wasn't going through that
point in my life. Yes, and she didn't sense it.
So I didn't see the value my mom could offer me.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
It's so funny how heavy a mom's words could be
so heavy. Like I remember I was in tent like
tennis craziness, and I called my mom and I just
was like just dark, and my mom was like, you're
not being yourself and I was like, who, what do
you even mean? And she's like, you're a lighthearted, funny, silly,
like goofy girl, Like that's who Hannah is. Like I

(47:15):
don't know who this is right now, but I'm just,
you know, trying to figure out who I am an
eighteen year old, And looking back, I'm like, she's so
right that I was. I was turning into someone I
wasn't because I was just forcing things. I also think
with friendships and relationships in your thirties, you start being
like enough time to force things, and also why would

(47:35):
I force anything? Like me and you, for example, Like
I feel like if I was like I need Jay
to like me, and like was obsessed with like connecting
with you, who knows if that would have worked, but
like we naturally hit it off and we have a
friendship where like I feel like sometimes people will be
like if I if I ask them to get coffee
and I do this, I live my life kind of
like put your energy out there and the right energies

(47:58):
will come back. Authentic relationships are better than thousands of
people that you're like, they wouldn't be there for me
when I need to bury a body.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, I'm still trying to get you to like I
was trying.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
No, I do think it's good vibe.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yeah yeah, no for sure, and and I can agree
with you more there isn't. I think tactics and hacks
and things like that get you very don't get you
very far with humans. Like they work on things, they
work on tools, they work on strategy and projects and
things like that, but they don't really work well with people.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
I also find it with dating.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
I used to be like, if I construct the perfect
text message, he's gonna realize that I'm freaking cool. I
was so into I'd get nervous and be like if
I say this, or like I wasn't funny enough, and
looking back, you're like the emoji or not emoji did
not change, Like it's funny because my husband he met
me going when I was in the middle of this

(48:59):
like sane reality TV time, which arguably like I was
crying more than I've ever cried before. Like that's not
what it's like being with me. I'm I have other issues,
but crying was not a thing. So it's talk about
like someone loving you at your worst. It's almost like
he saw me as like an open wound and he
loved me through that. So I joke, now I'm like,
first date, get in a fight, like like start crying,

(49:23):
tell him all your trauma, and like if you can't
with it, be on to the next one.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Why are we pretending to be perfect for three years?

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yea?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
And then realizing you hate that.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I really thought that, like if I was perfect, perfect
things would happen to me, and that's just not the game.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
So we've talked so much about your confidence in these places,
how you applied to your love life, Like what was
that like in relationship? In dating? Were you as analytical?
Were you able to make sense of stuff or in
that area? Were you like, oh my.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
God, it's so funny how everything's so similar. I was
like tennis, where like even when I was like could
not hit a serve, I had this confidence that I
could still win.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
And I I win.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
But like I always I joke, like I always think
everyone loves me, Like I'm I'll have friends, I'll walk
into a room like I have reverse by dysmorphia, Like
I think everyone's attracted to me. And but I just
had this confidence that no matter what was going on
like that I'll fall in love and I'll have the
most amazing relationship and everyone's attracted to me and wants

(50:21):
to be with me.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
And that was just what I put into the world.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
But I also had an ego with it, where like
I realized that I would go after emotionally unavailable guys
because I wasn't ready. I was like, no one's rejecting me,
Like no one's rejecting me. And I'd go after like
really good looking men who I didn't respect emotionally, so
that if it didn't work out, I'd be like he's
going stupid, like obviously I didn't like him, or like

(50:48):
they wouldn't make me laugh, or like I liked having
hot men around me, and it is kind of I
always like male dominate spaces and where you tie right now,
but I kind of liked I thought it was powerful
to be like a girl that like I could date
a lot of hot guys. It's like I didn't want
to be fully seen either. And I finally like, my

(51:08):
husband is a guy who very good looking, but I
really respect emotionally, and he sees me and he calls
me out on stuff and is okay with all the
things that come with me, and it was like scary
and vulnerable, but it also felt really safe because I

(51:30):
think it was with the right person. I have been
in relationships where I felt confident, like this guy on
paper is like everything someone would want. Like girls probably
look and go like, oh, yeah, he's great, but I
didn't feel like myself and I'm proud of myself. I
got out of a relationship when I was younger that
like other people were like, why would you leave that guy?
But because when I was alone at night, I didn't

(51:53):
feel like I was able to be myself with him,
and I got out of it, and I realized, your partner,
if they're not an asset. I don't mean it like
we have to make everything great in life happy. No,
if they're not enhancing and supporting you and who you are,
there's no reason to be in a relationship. Yeah, someone
said something kind of powerful that the person you're with

(52:15):
directly or flecs how much you love yourself. Even though
I was like dating and confident, I wasn't like really
putting myself out there fully because I didn't know if
someone really saw me, they would be scary if they
didn't love me. So I was like, well, I don't
love them, I don't need them, but I don't honestly

(52:37):
think having a bad relationship that hurts your mental health
is so nice because spare with me, you start realizing
I don't want to be in a relationship. Being a relationship,
it's too risky if someone is bringing me down, Like
I'd really really rather be single one hundred percent of
the time. So once I got in that mentality, like

(52:57):
in my late twenties, when the right guy I finally came,
I knew it because I wasn't just dating to date.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah, I feel like so many of the people I
know right now are just struggling with dating, Like I'm
sure you have loads of single friends too, or yeah,
yeah right, you were just like Jay, can you introduce
you to someone? Or I don't know how to meet someone.
I'm on all the apps, I'm doing this, I'm doing that,
and it feels like it's just the wild world rest
for people, Like it's so hard. I know, at least
that's how.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
I know my advice.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I really do joke about it that, like first date,
if you go back to his apartment, like hide his
remote and see what his true character is like because
I really feel, especially in a light, everyone's hot, and
I'm like I could get along with a hot person
for months before I like realize what's going on. I
think life is so short. It's like you can convince

(53:47):
yourself that so many people are great for you, but
like stop lying to yourself and immediately just be like
do you feel like yourself with them? And is it
someone that you want to sit on the couch with
for hours. Let's stop with the Instagram bullshit. Let's stop
with how it looks esthetically and find someone that's good
for your soul. Because your relationship is like a mirror,

(54:08):
where like it's a voice that you have to listen
to for the rest of your life. Make sure that
voice is someone you want to talk to, and like
they create the vibe of your life.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
I love quitting. I love getting out of stuff.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
If you're not with the right person, like there is
the right person there get out?

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yeah no, but I think you're so right that the
halo effects so strong, Like we can stay with someone
off of like the tiniest thing. Like people will stay
in a relationship because someone's hot, because someone makes lots
of money, because someone's really good at one thing, yes,
and it's so easy to do that because the halo
effect is so powerful. You are saying in a very
sincere way, like do you want to listen to their
voice with the rest of your life? And I just

(54:47):
think of someone going to me, I really like the
sound of his voice, and it's like you're just attracted
to the sound of someone's voice, but not really the
content of what they're saying or who they are and
what you're talking about someone's soul, and it's it's so
hard for our brains to detach from that which is
pleasurable to that which is actually.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Oh my god, you're saying right. I loved having a crush.
I would make it up. He would just have to
show like a little bit, and I was like, I
love this. I want to wake up with that.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Hide like is it it?

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Text me?

Speaker 2 (55:11):
And then you finally like meet him and you're like,
oh my god, this is not it.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
It took me a while.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I would really just be like, as long as he's tall,
I could figure this out. And then I remember feeling
like I was signing my soul to the devil. I
was like, you deserve better, and I do think like
you love yourself. The person you're with is showing how
much you love yourself. You deserve the best, also with
someone who's just got married, Like I do have to say,
when you're growing up.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
You're like, who's my soulmate? Who's my soulmate?

Speaker 2 (55:40):
And not to be a de Wie downer, I believe
there are soulmates. I don't think at all that there's
one person. I really think of marriage as like a
best friend and that it's very similar to friendships. You know,
when you meet someone, like I'll meet a girl and
immediately I'm like, whe have has.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
This bitch been all my life? She's amazing. I'm obsessed
with her.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
And I'll have a couple of those kind of relationships
in your life. And that's how I feel with men
as well, romantic relationships. So it's like the person I'm
with right now, he's so right for me, he's amazing.
I do think there's other people in the world that
potentially I could have married and had that I haven't met.
So it's like you create your own adventure and you
find the person that's right for you. In that moment,

(56:20):
people will be mad, like why did I marry this guy?
And I'm like, maybe he was right for you in
nineteen ninety seven or whatever it happened, and he was
perfect for you in that time, So stop putting so
much pressure on this like one insane thing. It's like, no,
it's it's vibes and it's like finding your best friend. Yeah,
and you'll have a lot of beautiful relationships in your life.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
What were some of the surprising challenges that came up
in marriage that maybe you didn't expect.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
I do have to say. My husband has a joke.
He's a comedian too.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
He actually has a really good bit about mindfulness that
I feel like you.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
I'll send it to you, man, please do.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
It's just about how mindfulness he jokes about back then
it was just like watching for sipitation go down. She's like,
you can't even sit and take a shit without like scrolling,
Like mindfulness used to just be existing. I butchered that bit,
but it's about that. But he has this joke about marriage,
how he'll tell people like, we don't spend a lot
of time together because I'm on the road a lot.

(57:16):
He's on the road, and how people like thirty five
and under are like, oh, that must be really hard
but that people thirty five and over are like, you
guys are gonna make it Like we never get into
that like roommate situation where you start feeling like, oh,
this is just a roommate that I have that lives
with me. It stays kind of exciting because we don't

(57:38):
have that routine. Our Our careers are very kind of
crazy and we're really good at communicating. I think the
funny thing about marriage is that dating is a lot
of chasing. There's a lot of like.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Are we gonna get engaged, are we gonna get married?
What is this gonna be? And then you become it.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
It reminds me of life, where like if you don't
love the journey, there's no point to it and you
realize like, oh, this isn't about getting the ring, Like
this is just about finding someone I want to be
with with him. It's like we're married, We're not I'm
not playing any more games. The games are over. And
I liked kind of being like, what's going to happen

(58:17):
and there's no game playing?

Speaker 3 (58:21):
That's your person.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yeah. I remember reading a study that talked about how
what we really get addicted to at the beginning of
a relationship is stress and excitement. Yes, so the excitement
of I just texted them, the stress of will they
text me back? Yes, you got the excitement of like
I just told all my friends about this guy, the
stress of I don't know if he's talking about me
to his friends. Yeah, And so that keeps you. It's

(58:43):
what you're saying. The game keeps you going. And then
all of a sudden, when you actually end up with
someone then and everyone goes, wait a minute, there's no
excitement anymore. It's like, no, no, no, you were just addicted
to stress.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yes, And I do have to say the peacefulness of
marriage has been really nice for me in terms of,
like dating actually was really time consuming and stressful. So
I feel like I'm able to focus more on my
career and being myself. I used to like not be
able to enjoy friends sometimes because I'm sitting there thinking
about a guy or at dinner and I'm just like,
I don't really care about this because like so and
so hasn't texted me back. Where now I have this

(59:17):
like comfort of like I have my person who's my
sidekick and there for me, and I can actually be
myself more, which has been really nice when I was single,
I was boy crazy, and I was like putting it
on a pedestal. So I've I've done that and been that,
and I think once you realize, you just you don't
want to force it.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
My ultimate dating tip is that do the things you
love and it will track people who will love you
where it's I tell people like, I know this is corny,
but like if you like volleyball, join a volleyball league.
You can't just like sit around hoping like be you
and they will come.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Yeah, yeah the.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Baseball field, as they say, you build it, they will come.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
For men, I think it's similar. Like all the most
successful men that I've spoken to have all said that
their success came when they committed to one woman. Yeah,
and then they actually had time and energy to build
everything else.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
It is exhausted.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Other than the exhaustion of thinking that it was cool
to date multiple women or have affairs or whatever they
thought it was when they were going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Stress that again, distress they added to exactly. But I
do have to say to be a little positive, my
parents have a really beautiful relationship and like they still
like they flirt, they love each other, they make each
other laugh and in my relationship, Like I still my
friend makes fun of me, but like I still get
butterflies with him, like I do have it. It's not
you know, we're two years in and it's early, but

(01:00:37):
I found someone who keeps me like excited, so that's possible.
It's not like, oh, you meet someone and then you're
just like, yay, we're bored. No, Like I found someone
who he definitely is emotionally, like we say, like our
love languages laughter, So we're making fun of each other
and it's like we're constantly playing the game of how
can we make each other laugh?

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Absolutely? Yeah, we banter all day in my wife so
important when we're around.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
You, guys have a really fun yeah yeah, yeah I am.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
We're laughter as our love language for sure too, and
it has need to be. We always feel like when
we're around new people or new couples, they're like, do
you have have issues with each other? I'm like no, no, no,
this is just this is who we are. Like we're
constantly bantering and that's yeah, that's our way of showing
love to each other and it works for us. And
I can also get really emotional, like when Rady's traveling whatever,
I literally like there's no light in the house, Like

(01:01:26):
I'm just like I get fully like I'm like, no,
the house feels different, like it's not the same because
I'm so used to just walking back there seeing her
giving her a hug, whatever it is, even in the work.
Then then when she's traveling, I'm like, no, where is she?
But I love the idea of missing her.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
It was Yes, I was going to say, it makes
you not take for granted them being there when you
wake up. Yeah, And we also are very good at communicating,
like we'll be on the phone like all day, even
if it's just like a two minute call to be
like this thing happened to me. It's just natural. And
I joke like be with some You're relationship is a

(01:02:00):
conversation you have for the rest of your life, Like
do you want to have it? I saw like a
random probably a TikTok about how the person who marry
is the person that's going to be with you when
like your parents pass away, Like who do you want
to be with you in those hard times? It's not
who do you want to be in the wedding photo
with you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Mike, That's real, No, that's so real. That's the realist thing.
Ever it's and then I wish I wish more people
would internalize that because that is exactly what it is
and having And I have a friend who was with
this partner through the loss of her mum recently. Yeah,
and it was the hardest thing for her, and he
was He was the best partner I think she could

(01:02:38):
have had during.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
That and she she needed him, and I realized I
needed my husband during my hard time. And I also
think that trauma bonding is real. Obviously, truma bonding can
be bad, but like I think we are so much
powerful of a couple because early on we were dealing
with so much adversity that now when something happens, like
we're so easily able to handle it. So when bad

(01:03:01):
things happen to you when you're in a relationship, it's
actually gonna show you if you're in the right relationship,
which is awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Yeah, I wanted to pivot slightly because I feel like
you pointed out your tie earlier, and I think this
is a really great outfit. I think we have to
talk about it, but you know, I feel like your
whole career, from day one, it's been operating in a
male dominant Like even I mean this article headline was
so this one fifteen years ago New York Times she
plays with boys and rivals don't like it. Yeah, it's crazy.

(01:03:30):
I mean it's like that's crazy, right, Yeah, it's like
fifteen years ago. Even now, like comedy is definitely more
male dominated, has been. Yeah, And I think it's a
really interesting thing because I've been speaking to a lot
of my male friends recently either married or have have
girlfriends long long term relationships, and a lot of the
women there with feel really scared about pivoting careers, feel

(01:03:52):
scared about changing their identity, about how they're perceived in
their small community of friends. And these aren't people who
are saying I want to be really famous or I
want to be really rich. It's just people thinking like
maybe I don't want to be a doctor, and maybe
I do want to do this, so maybe I do
want to be a yoga instructor, or maybe I do
want to do fitness, so whatever it is, it's people
making just genuine choices. And it's funny because when I'll

(01:04:14):
talk to my guy friends about it, they've all done it,
and it feels really easy for a guy to like
somewhat change his perception and identity, Whereas for women it
feels a bit harder if you had to say something
to them. What would you say to women who are
feeling like it's hard?

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Two things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
One, I do think that women do have like they
have the biological clock in their head where they're like, okay,
if I switch this and then I have kids at
this time, and then I'll be behind it like they're
dealing with like that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I do have to do a shout out to my parents.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
I think I was raised a very not unique, but
I was raised very like genderless, like I wore whatever
clothes I want to wear. My dad really treated me.
I wouldn't even say like a boy, just like I
was never said I was pretty. It was about like
being hard work. And I think growing up as I
got older and people started to be like, you're a girl,

(01:05:04):
you're not allowed to do that, I was like, woo,
that's hilarious, and I'm going to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Show you that that's not true.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
And I think even like wearing the tie, I joked
that like it makes me feel people are like listening
to me more like I could say things I don't
know about and people are like, she sounds like she
knows what she's talking about. And I love playing with
the gender roles because I think they're socially constructed in
a way. But I also do realize now that I'm
I'm thirty three, and some male comics their careers are

(01:05:34):
popping off like mine, where I'm like, if I want
to have a kid, I have to do it in
the next couple of years. How is that going to
affect my trajectory where they cannot have They don't give
off about that. And I'm used to being like, there's
no difference between me and you, but then I realized, like,
oh shit, there is differences. But I like to be
in terms of like my feminism, people get confused thinking

(01:05:56):
that feminists are like men and women are equal.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
We're not. We're very different in so many beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Ways, and like we want equal opportunities, but we're going
to go about it our own way. So it's finding
like what is your superpower as a woman, And I
do think with women this is good. Women love to
be over prepared and overqualified for things before we do it.
I'm working on this new bit about like I say,

(01:06:24):
a lot of men are pilots, because no woman would
just wake up and be like I could fly a plane,
Like she would have to be like so good at
flying planes to finally be like, can I fly a plane?
And then I joke like if women flew planes, we'd
literally be lost all the time and like need snacks
and stuff like that. But anyway, it's multi fascetating. So
I think with women, stop waiting to be like over

(01:06:49):
prepared to do something, and I think so many men
will just be like a little bit confident and be
like I'll figure it out where women, Like even a
job interviews, I feel like men will be like I'll
figure it out where girls will have to be so
over prepared to even go into the interview. Like even
when I was like a sports reporter for a second,

(01:07:09):
I had to show that I knew sports soaking well
to even get in the same room, where like a dude,
they just assume he knows it because it's like sports.
So for girls, I'd say, do things you're you're not
qualified for. I was not qualified to get a Netflix special,
but I did it. If you looked at my resume,
you'd say that girl should not have a Netflix special,

(01:07:32):
But I did, and it was top five on Netflix.
So I think for the girls, don't wait till you're overqualified.
Challenge yourself and you gain confidence when you're able to
do something you didn't know you could do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
That's great advice. I love that. And you're sport on.
I remember looking at the studies a few years ago.
He literally said that if a guy looks at an
application and he can do four and have ten things,
he'll apply, And if a girl looks in it and
she can do eight of ten things, she won't apply.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
I literally have chills.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Yeah, I have chills because that is so true, and
women are so competent, but I guess they like there's
like a safety thing with it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
I do say something about experience.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
They did a study somewhere I suppear this wasn't from TikTok,
but a study about like doctors and how some new
doctors were actually better than doctors who had like forty
years of experience because they were actually like fresher and
more open minded, more up to date, and just how
like just because someone has more experience with you doesn't
necessarily make them better than you had.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
My advice for like job interviews is I would go
in and be like, I don't have the year's experience
you want, but these are all the ideas I have
of what I'm gonna do. So don't wait till you're overqualified,
Like do things are underqualified for and see what you're
capable of.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
So needed that's great advice. I thank you. I love that.
How do if your younger self was to look at
you now, if you were to go meet her and
she saw you having the Netflix special or doing what
you're doing today touring, what do you think she'd say?

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
She wouldn't imagine it, but I feel like she be like,
that's awesome. I do think there was a time when
I was like twenty four and I was like in
sales or something, and when my cousins said, like he
was gonna move to LA to be an actor, and
I remember getting like a guttural jealousy that I was
like not expecting, and looking back, I was like, why

(01:09:21):
are you jealous that your cousins move in LA to
do acting?

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
That's insane. You don't even want to be an actress?

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
But deep deep down I did, and I like didn't
admit it to myself because it's like a lot to
admit that you want to be a performer or want
your dreams. It's scary to say what dreams you want
for anyone who's feeling like a jealousy towards something, that's
the universe telling you you want to do it. Yeah,
And it's crazy that years later now, like I'm getting

(01:09:48):
into acting and I tried so hard to fight it,
but the universe was like, you're not doing that. You're
not doing that until I got in this lane, I
like to say, even though I've never served, it's like
so where like when you find the right wave, it's going.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
To feel easier and you're gonna love it. It's gonna
be fun. So like, find your wave.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
That jealousy point is so clear. I feel like we're
living at a time where it's so scary to share
your dreams with someone else because you're scared it might
remind them that they're not chasing theirs, and you're scared
that they may react and tell you not to chase
it because they don't believe in you. And the truth
is they never had the strength to even give themselves
the worth to chase their Yeah. And then at the

(01:10:29):
same time, you're scared of hearing it, because it might
remind you of the doubt you already have in your
own abilities, and the fears you already have, and the
insecurities you have that it's not possible for you. And
it creates a really messy situation in society, I feel,
because you have less people wanting to chase their dreams,
less people rooting for them, and less people admitting what

(01:10:49):
their dreams are. And that feels like a really bad
place to live, where dreams are becoming buried deeper and
deeper and deeper inside someone's soul and you know, never
get seen. Yes, And so if someone's feeling that, and
they're feeling that jealousy, which you so beautifully said, could
be a sign or a signal that that's what you
want to do, what would you say is the first

(01:11:10):
three steps someone should take if they think they have
a crazy dream. They may never have done it before,
they don't really get it, but they feel that deep
inside of them it's always been there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I was always obsessed with successful people, like I'd look
at like Rihanna, and I'm like, what is different about
her than other people?

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
And when you strip it down, it always starts with
she tried.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Like eighty percent of it is being like I want
to be this and I'm going to do it. And
then I like to literally sit down and like say
something crazy like Okay, I want to get a Netflix special.
Then I literally go backwards of all the things you
have to do to get there. Okay, get an Flix special.
You'd have to perform in front of someone at Netflix.
How do you do that? You'd have to be selling

(01:11:52):
out theaters. How do you do that? You'd have to
get JFL. How do you get JFL? You'd have to
go in the clubs. How do you get in the clubs?
You'd have to start writing? How do you start writing?
By don't it tomorrow? So then it's like you literally
have the path and it starts so small, and I
think so many people don't want to go through the
whole path. And then when you think about it, it's
like you just have to go do it. It's actually

(01:12:14):
a lot less overwhelming when you think I just have
to write tomorrow than be like I've see a Netflix
special in two years, but realistically I got an Eflics
special in like five years. Of comedy plus COVID, which
is crazy, but it's because that wasn't the plan. It
was just I wanted to be myself and have fun
doing comedy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Yeah, it's so funny. Seven years ago, I had a
production company reach out to me from LA. They'd seen
my first ever video that had gone viral and they
loved it, and they'd reached out and said, we want
to build a TV show around you. And so I
was like, I couldn't believe it because I just started
creating content and had a viral video and I thought
that was cool enough as it was so anyway, I

(01:12:53):
like flew to LA on my own dime. I didn't
have a lot of money, then sat down, had meetings,
went back and forth, worked on creative on top of
my day job. Came back to pitch it again on
my own dime, like I was trying to figure out
how I was going to do it. We pitched it
and no one wanted the show. But I built loads
of great relationships, and so I built all these great
relationships at streamers production companies, became really good friends with

(01:13:15):
some of them, but no one liked the show idea
that we had. And it's so funny because I always
look at that and I go, I'm so glad that
an idea that I didn't fully own, that wasn't fully
mine got rejected because then I built this even.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Though at the time it probably were like yeah, at
the time, it was just like it felt like everything
was going not everything was going wrong, but that that
was the big moment and I fumbled it somehow.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Yeah yeah, and like right, it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Was felt like I fumbled.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Yeah you just like you just dropped the ball. Yeah,
you were like, that was my moment and that's it when.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Life has like so many moments. One of my favorite
things to tell people is especially like video creation.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
People would be like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
What if I told you the fifteenth video you post
is going to go viral? How quick would you post
the next video? I kind of am obsessed with the
gritty work. It was this concept I think like with tennis,
people would say like when are you practicing when people
aren't watching? Are you practicing in the rain? Like that
type of like sports stuff. So I feel like, yeah,

(01:14:16):
people will go and do the flashy stuff, but I
think I get ahead because I'm doing this boring stuff
that people don't want to do. So when you realize like, oh,
someone got a Netflix special because they did the little
tedious things that are actually anyone could do. It's just
people don't want to do it. So it's like put
your head down and like you can accomplish anything.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Well said Hannah, it's been such a joy talking to you, honestly,
so much fun.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
I love this is actually like the should I love
talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
I mean, I'm like, we have to do this again.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
I feel like a motivational speaker just through like quef jokes,
but like I actually feel connected to you because I
love through my jokes like inspiring people to see the
world differently, even though it's not that serious at all.
But I do love like motivating, and I love coaching
and I love making people inspired in some way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Yeah. Well, I think everything you shed today has been
super powerful and.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
You bring it out of me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Oh no, I love it. You you brought it. We
We end every episode with a final five, oh boss
five that we asked to all guests. Hanna, Berna, these
are your FOSS five. Questionable one what is the best
advice you ever heard or received? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
I like this quote that says, even when it's raining,
the hoop is always there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Not to give like more sports book, but.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
It's basically like you're not seeing it, but like you're
actually okay and the world is your oyster.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
You just are there's a cloud right now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Yeah. I love that. Second question, what is the worst
advice you ever heard or received?

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Probably people who just think they know better than you
about your own life and like telling you based on
their own experiences when you're completely different to be like,
I wouldn't do that if I were you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Well, you're not me, so question number three, what is
something you think people don't know about you?

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
People probably will not be surprised they heard.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
But I'm like really messy, Like I have trouble keeping
the home, like okay, and I but I lean into
it and I'll be like I'm a creative but like
some of my friends are so organized and I'm so
jealous of them, but like I will always go to
edit a video before like putting the dishes away, and
then I will never put the dishes away, So I'm
kind of like, don't have my shit together in the home.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
I love it. Question number of Wait, what stasie.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
A Leo sun virgo moon but clearly just about work
and scorpio rising?

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Okay, oh wow, you know all of it? Wow, all right,
question before what question numb before? Apart from your apart
from your astrologer, was it that you d Who's the
last person you DMD?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
It's probably Paige, my co host, because after the show,
we see all these like funny videos from the shows
and I'll send it to her and feel like that
was funny, that was cute. So we're just like enjoying
when we get home looking at all the stories.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
I love that. And question umber five, we asked this
every guest who's ever been on the show. If you
could create one law that everyone in the world had
to follow, what would it be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
I think children should have more mental health in schools, Like,
I think it should be a lot that kids should
learn start learning more about, like happiness, mindfulness, meditation, Like
I don't know why that wouldn't be in the curriculum
when that's like the most important thing to having a
happy life.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Mental health by Hannah Banner.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Yeah, mental health.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Get the kids, start them young.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
I love it. Everyone go and watch We write at
door on right now. And if you don't follow Hannah already,
make sure you follow her across the Instagram, TikTok and
all of social media, and I'm so excited for us
to continue our friendships and thank you for having me. Honestly,
you are so much fun to talk to. If you
ever want to just you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Might have to open for you in one of your life.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Oh my gosh, I would love. Oh my god, I
would love that. You're so people would be like, Okay,
you're so kind to Oh my gosh, that's an honor.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
I love.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
That's such a kind offer. That's so sweet. I'm going
to take you off on that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
We'll see if you your team allows it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Yeah, she'll definitely allow it. Had to burner everyone else
you can tell not only hilariously funny, you got so
many great insights, thoughts, wisdom. I mean, you can drop
the mic today. Amazing, amazing, and I really hope we
get to hear you do more tennis commentary, more sport commentary,
like all of it. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited

(01:18:27):
to see it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
I think I work for ESPN.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Yeah, I love it. Thank you so much, Thank you
so grateful. If you love this episode, you're going to
love my conversation with Matthew Hussey on how to get
over your ex and find true love in your relationships.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
People should be compassionate to themselves that extend that compassion
to your future self, because truly extending your compassion to
your future self is doing something that gives him or
her a shot at a happy and a peaceful life

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