Joe Dispenza ON: Why Stress and Overthinking Negatively Impacts Your Brain and Heart & How to Change Your Habits on Autopilot

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Most people lose their free will to those programs, and
it's that uncompromising will where you keep training the animal
to stay, to get beyond all the cravings, feelings, the
habits of the body and catch yourself.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
The best selling authoring the most the number one healthy
well inness podcast On Purpose.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
With Jay Shetty.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one
health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every
one of you that come back every week to become happier,
healthier and more healed. Now, today's guest is a favorite
of favorite, someone that I know you crave to come
back onto the show. I know that you're always excited

(00:41):
when I get to sit down with him. This is
our third interview, I believe in as many years, and
I can't wait because there's some phenomenal research that he
and his team have done that will be extrapolating and
extracting from today's as well. Now, today's guest who I'm
talking about is Dr Joe Dispenser. His passion can be
found at the intersection of the latest findings from the

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fields of neuroscience, epigenetics, and quantum physics to explore the
science behind spontaneous remissions. Doctor Joe uses that knowledge to
teach people how to heal from their bodies of health conditions,
make significant changes in their lives, and evolve their consciousness.
Doctor Joe is a New York Times best selling author, researcher, lecturer,

(01:26):
and corporate consultant, and he released his most recent project
called Inspire music and guidance to accompany the breath called
Pulling the Mind Out of the Body. I can't wait
for you to check it out. Welcome to the episode
and podcast, Doctor Joe Dispenser. Joe, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Good to see you for being here.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's always good to see you, Always great to see
you. You look really well.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Uh. And I want to say this online as well,
because I want people to hear about love. I love
getting people to hear about what people are like offline.
You know, everyone watches your videos, they read your books,
they listen to your meditations, and I encourage them to continue.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
To do so.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
But maybe probably around like seven eight months ago, I
reached out to you personally because I had someone in
my life who deeply needed your support. And they're a
follower and a fan of yours and they've lived an
incredibly service based life as well, and I wouldn't necessarily

(02:24):
just reach out, but I felt compelled by the people
in my life I reached out to you. Not only
were you extremely responsive and immediate and fast, your team
took such good care of them as well, And it
was all last minute. It wasn't convenient to you, So
I just wanted everyone to also know that offline, the
love and care and compassion with which you work is
really beautiful. So thank you so much for doing that.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Thank you for the compliment, Jay, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, Well, let's dive in today. There's so many things
I want to talk about from I want to talk
about about the heart, I want to talk about the brain.
I want to talk about breathwork and meditation and the
amazing research you've done. The first thing I want to
start with, though, which is something that I've been really
fascinated by recently, is I think the most beautiful and

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powerful thing in the world is a repetitive thought. But
sometimes the most dangerous thing in the world is a
repetitive thought. Absolutely, and we think about the most beautiful
things we create is because we're obsessed with this new
idea and this new thought that we want to build something.
But at the same time, we know countless people who

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they have a thought every day that says, I'm unlovable,
I'm unworthy, I don't deserve love in my life. If
someone's having a negative, repetitive thought specifically around self worth,
what they believe they deserve in love, where do they
start with that thought?

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Well, we think primarily ninety percent of the time, we
think the same thoughts as we thought the day before.
The challenge with that is the thought that you keep
thinking over and over again comes a belief and nerve
cells that fire together wire together. So the more nerve
cells fire, the more they develop long term relationships, and
the more hardwired they become. The more hardwired they become,

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the more automatic they are. The more automatic they are,
the more unconscious they become. So the process of change
really requires becoming conscious of your unconscious thoughts, which means
just because you have that thought doesn't necessarily mean it's
the truth. If you have that thought and you accept it,
you believe it, you surrender to it without analyzing it,

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that thought will lead to the same choice, which will
lead to the same behavior, which will create the same experience,
which then will produce the same emotion. The same emotions
then drive our very same thoughts in time. Our biology
are in our circuitry or in our chemistry or hormones,
and even our gene expression stays the same because we're
the same. So in the process of change, when you
come up against that unconscious belief and you make it conscious,

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most people get uncomfortable when they confront that thought, and
they're stopping an automatic process. And the body, which has
been conditioned to be the mind, because it's doing something
over and over again, that's a habit, is craving the
experience because it wants the emotion associated with it. Right,
So the thought of being unworthy produces the feeling of

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being unworthy. That feeling, then when the person feels unworthy,
tends to cause the person to think more unworthy thoughts.
It only takes a thought and a feeling, an image
of yourself, and an emotion, a stimulus and response, and
you can condition the body to memorize that behavior and
that emotional state better than the conscious mind. So the

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moment we inhibit that thought or the moment we become
conscious of it and we no longer accept it. There's
a biological craving that takes place in the body because
the body has been conditioned to be the mind. So
the body starts influencing the mind to think more corresponding
thoughts equal to that feeling. So here comes the assault,

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and you're not only unworthy, you're everything else that goes
along with that feeling. And this is where people have
to make up their mind that if they truly want
to change, Because if you decide to confront that thought
and make a different choice, get ready, because you're going
to feel uncomfortable. It's going to feel unfamiliar, and there's
gonna be some uncertainty because you're stepping out of familiar territory. Now,

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you're stepping out of the known and you're stepping into
the unknown. Now this is really when you leave the
bleachers and you get on the playing field, because the
brain immediately looks around in its environment to see if
anything's changing because you're changing, and you see that nothing
in your world is changing because you actually haven't fully
changed yet. So the moment, we look for evidence in

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our life and we don't see it. Sooner or later,
most people accept that thought, which leads to the same choice,
which creates the same behavior, which creates the same experience,
that produces the same feeling, and then they say, oh,
this feels right to me. Now that feels familiar because
you've just returned back to the known self. I think
that when people truly want to make up their mind

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to change, and they become so conscious of those unconscious thoughts,
they would never go unconscious to them. Again, that's the
moment the body is being reconditioned to a new mind.
If you inhibit that choice that leads to that habit
or that behavior. A habit is when you've done something

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so many times the body knows how to do it
better than the brain. Now you're stopping the body from
being on its automation, on autopilot. And if the body's
craving the feeling of unworthiness, and you're stopping the body
from feeling that way, and you're aware in your life
how you speak, you're aware in your life how you're feeling,

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and you're checking in you're saying, do I really want
to feel this way? This is that river of change
where you're going from the old self to the new self.
So it makes sense then if those prints and biology
you work in that way, they could actually work in
our favor. So if you said, Okay, I'm going to
sit down for a few minutes, I'm going to come
so conscious of my unconscious self, my unconscious personality, that

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victory today would not be going unconscious to those thoughts,
behaviors and emotions. Okay, let me get so familiar with
them that I don't go unconscious. Okay, I got that down. Now,
what thoughts do I want to fire and wire in
my brain? And if a belief is a thought that
you keep thinking over and over again with intention and

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with attention, you'll switch on that prefrontal cortex and assign
meaning to the act and start installing new circuits in
your brain. If you keep doing it over and over again,
it becomes more hardwired, it becomes more automatic. And now
you're installing a new belief that you are worthy of love,
you are worthy of abundance, you are worthy to heal,
whatever that is. That's the thought you do want to

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believe in. And when it matters the most is when
it's the hardest, because if you don't have the circuitry
in place, you'll default back to the old programs. Right, So,
then if you said, how am I going to be
in my zoom calls today? How am I going to
be in traffic today? How am I going to be
with my ex my coworkers? And you started thinking about

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and rehearsing how you are going to act in certain situations.
The brain actually doesn't know the difference between the real
life experience and what you're imagining. The research on mental
rehearsal shows that the brain will look like in time
that it's already had the experience and it's vacant of
the experience. Now, keep firing and wiring those circuits and
you're going to begin to behave that way. So now

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you're installing circuitry now to use in your life to
get your behaviors to match your intentions. You said, how
would it feel to feel worthy of love? How would
it feel to be grateful for life? How would it
feel to be worthy of abundance? And you said, I'm
going to teach my body emotionally what this feels like

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before the manifestation of the event. You're not waiting for
your life to change to feel worthy. You're actually changing
your life by becoming worthy. You're generating abundance, You're generating love,
You're creating an elevated emotion. Now, our data is so
compelling because when you truly begin to elevate your emotional

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state and you could really lock in, you know, to
those elevated emotions. Your body is so objective that it
actually believes that it's living in a whole new environment
before the environment changes. In other words, the body's believing
it's in that new future. And if the environment signals
the gene and it does, and the end product of

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an experience in the environment is an emotion, you're actually
signaling genes ahead of the environment, and your body will
begin to become conditioned to a new mind. Now, think
about this, if you did that every day. The word
meditation literally means become familiar with You become familamiliar with
your old self. You become familiar with your new self.
And you say, I'm not getting up until I feel

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this feeling. And then you'd say, I want to be
able to bring this feeling up whenever I want. I'm
going to keep remembering this feeling over and over again.
Only it takes a thought and a feeling an image
of the future, and emotion is stimness. In response, you
can condition your body to believe it's living in a
whole new life. And when you feel the emotions of
your future, something amazing happens. You're no longer in lack

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or separation, so you're no longer looking for the event
to take away that feeling of lack or separation. Your
body's actually believe it's in the event, So then you're
not looking for it. You feel like it's already happened.
Get ready, because that's when your life begins to change.
And so we've discovered that if you're actually practicing this

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and you immerse yourself in that experience fully for seven days,
the amount of metabolic and biological changes that will take
place in your body will be so significant that your
body will actually believe it's living in that future. And
yet most of the people that come to our workshops
are literally in a ballroom. There's nothing really exciting happening

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in the environment, but their bodies believing they're living in
a whole new life. And so one thought leads to
a choice, which leads to behavior, which creates an experience
that produces an emotion. So then new information, new knowledge,
begins to cause you to think differently. If you can
remember that knowledge and begin to make a different choice.

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Because you want to experience the truth of that information,
you'll have to behave differently. And when the experience occurs
and you feel the feeling of your abundance or wealth,
I guarantee you you're going to continue wanting to make
the process of change something consistent in your life.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
This is why I love talking to you. I mean
that literally, you could just well, you just said there.
I hope everyone listens to it again and again and again,
and partly I think there's something to be said for that.
The best thing that have rewired my brain and my
mind were things that I repeated daily. I took something
that I loved listening to or loved learning or reading
a paragraph of a book, and I would literally just

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reprogram myself by giving that to my mind every single day. Yeah,
and as I'm listening to you talk, I think there's
a few really powerful things I wanted to pull out.
When I lived as a monk and studied the Vaders,
they would talk about thoughts in different modes. And there
are three modes, the mode of ignorance, the motive passion,
and the mode of goodness. And there's a hierarchy to

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those thoughts, and so the mode of ignorance would be
an unfulfilling thought or a completely fear or in security
based thought, which would be I am not worthy or
I am unlucky, and I can't do that. I can't
be in love, no one can be in love with me.
That's like a mode of ignorance thought. A mode of
passion thought would be I can be in love with

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anyone I want, and I can find anything. And it's
almost like you know you're lying to yourself. You haven't
really you haven't really applied what you're saying, and it's
just this big, bold statement, but it doesn't quite sit
and resonate. And the goodness thought is I can take
steps daily to create love in my life right now.

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And you start to see how people would often look
at what we're saying and they think, oh, it's just
positive thinking.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
It isn't.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's not just a false statement. What you're saying is
what you two words you used, intension and attention. You're
actually being conscious about where that intention and the attention
is being placed. You're intending that if I do something
every day and I place my attention on XYZ, then
I can create this new reality for myself. Whenever I

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have a tough conversation, coming out a tough meeting, something difficult,
I'll rehearse it in my head. And you're so right
that you can prepare for the future. Even when I
do skydiving or if I'm sitting in a cold plunge,
I'm preparing my mind before I even do it. There's
no point of just jumping in and diving in. I
think what's really interesting is that partly a lot of

(15:05):
the anxiety and stress we feel is because we kind
of hope that will never feel anxiety and stress again.
So there's a sense of like, Okay, I can get
to a place where I never experience anxiety. I almost
think that that sets us up to be more hurt
by the anxiety and inevitable uncertainty will feel.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
I would love to hear your too, gosh me, I
love to respond. Three thoughts going on at the same time.
Do it so to fulfill the first part of that question.
It's an experiment, right, It's an experiment. Life is an experiment.
So if your personality creates your personal reality, and your
personality is made up of how you think, how you act,

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and how you feel, If you keep thinking the same way,
you keep acting the same way, you keep feeling the
same way, your life is going to stay the same
because you're the same. So the experiment is, okay, let
me begin to think differently. So I got remind myself
how I do want to think, and I have to
remind myself of how I no longer want to think,
so I don't default and go unconscious. Let me remind

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myself how I'm going to behave so that I could
actually get my behaviors to match my intentions, and let
me remind myself of how I'm gonna feel. If I'm
able to succeed in that day, then there should be
some change in my life. That is the experiment. And
if it doesn't change, that doesn't mean the law doesn't
work for you. It's just you're not that good yet.
It just you just got to keep practicing. Right. So

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the act of disconnecting from your life long enough to
remind yourself of who you do want to be and
who you no longer want to be. That experiment, then,
is the experiment called life. Now, it's not that you react.
The question is how long are you going to react?
That's the real question. Because I mean I react all
the time, what everybody does. But if you're going to

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stay there and you're going to live in that emotional state,
you will see life through that lens of that emotion. Right. So,
now it gets complicated because the stronger the you feel
towards certain people or problems in your life, the more
you pay attention to then, and where you place your
attention is where you place your energy. So from a

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purely biological as well as quantum state, we could say,
then you're using that person or that circumstance to reaffirm
your dependence on feeling that emotion. So you have to
hate your enemy, and if your enemy dies, you'll find
another person to hate, because that is the response. Right.
So the body is the animal. It's been conditioned a

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certain way, and if it's been doing something and feeling
something for an extended period of time, there's a modification
of its receptor sites. It's needing those emotional states. So
in the process of change, just be ready because you're
going to feel uncomfortable a lot of the time. Now,
the question is do you want to stay there? So

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then most people think they don't have any control over
their emotional Stanley think I'm just this way and I
feel this way. Well, we actually can show people that
that's not the truth. That when it's the hardest, it
matters the most. And if you're able to really work
and train your body like you're training an animal to

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stop feeling one way and start feeling another way. If
you believe that you're an eternal being, let's just say that,
I mean just most religions talk about we're eternal, and
most sects of thought, there are only a few that don't.
Whether you're going to heaven or hell, or Nirvana or
on the wheel, you're pretty much going to be around
for a long time. That moment matters so much in

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the light of eternity, because that's the moment you make
up your mind to no longer be defined by your past.
Why are you being defined by your past? Because emotions
are a record of the past, and so then if
you're feeling that emotion, your body is believing it's back
in that same experience of the past. So the more
knowledge that we have and understand that justified valid or not,

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those emotions are hurting no other person but you, because
the long term effects of living by those emotional states,
Those survival states are actually down regulating genes and creating diseases.
Sooner or later, you're going to have to ask yourself,
is this loving to myself? And forgiveness is just when
you overcome the emotion, you take your attention off that

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person or that problem. You're freeing yourself and you're freeing them.
So people do the best with what they think is available.
That's my belief. And if you're unaware that you can
control your emotional states, you'll rely on something outside of
you to do that. Whether it's a computer game, whether
it's a Netflix show, and whether it's a drug, whatever

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it is that you need to make that feeling go away,
you're dependent on your outer world. And I think that's
a hypnosis. That's a conditioning. Teach people that you can
actually regulate and change your emotional states, you give them
the tools to literally step into a new future. So
that process, of course, is extremely uncomfortable, and the question
is how long are you going to stay in that

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emotional state? And fifty percent of the story that most
people tell about that past experience isn't even the truth
because they're making things up, and they're doing that so
that they can justify why they haven't changed since some
past event. Most people reach a point in their life
where they reach crisis or disease or diagnosis or loss

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or betrayal where they finally go, gosh, it's time to change.
I think change is an ongoing process, and the more
we change, the more we should see evidence in our
life that makes it exciting.

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you're right that I've thought about this for a while
that I feel most people know that they want to change,

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and most people know what they want to change, but
they still struggle to make a change. And so I
found that we don't often have a values crisis, we
have a habits crisis because people don't add to reprogram
their habits and they've started to assume that the way
they feel is who they are. And I wonder how

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you think about this, because I think we're living at
a time where what you just said is like you
either kind of find a way to numb your feelings,
so you're turning towards something external to numb how you feel,
or today we're being told, well, feel every feeling and
emotion completely, and then often we don't kind of get
to the reprogramming phase. So I guess, how do you

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know how long to take a feeling seriously effectively and
assessing it before you kind of take action on it.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Feelings and emotions are the end product of past experiences,
and we can remember experiences better because we can remember
how they feel. The stronger the emotion we have to
some experience in our life, the more altered we are
inside of us, the more the brain freezes a frame
and takes a snapshot, and that's called a long term memory.
That image is being bossed neurologically in the brain. So

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then what most people don't know is that every time
they remember that event, that trauma, that betrayal, that loss,
whatever it is, they're producing the same chemistry and their
brain and body as if the event is occurring. So
what happens over time is that conditioning process conditions the
body to literally live in the past. So if a
person is living by the same familiar feeling every single day,

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whether it's guilt or unworthiness, or pain or suffering or
victimization or depression or whatever it is, it's so important
for them to come right up against that emotional state.
Because they're coming up against the known, the question fundamentally
becomes for that person, is it possible then to feel
a different feeling? Now, if you cannot feel a different

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feeling other than the feeling that you're used to feeling,
it should tell you volumes a that feeling quiz. It's
going to influence your very same thoughts. So the research
that we've done over and over again is that the
only way you're actually going to reprogram your brain to
work in your favor is you've got to learn how

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to regulate your brain waves. And you know this, of course.
Beta brainwave patterns are thinking brainwave patterns. It's the analytical mind.
It's our critical facilities that we're in beta right now,
we're aware of our bodies, we're aware of the environment,
we're aware of time. The new cortex has switched on.
It's what plugs us into three dimensional reality. It's the

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seat of the autobiographical self. There's a lot of circuits
in there from things you've learned intellectually and things you've
experienced in your life. So for the most part, it's
a repository of the past, right, And so ninety percent
of those thoughts that we think, being the same thoughts
as the day before, tend to become like automatic programs,
and they become more subconscious and more unconscious. So in

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order for us to begin to change those programs, we
got to get into the operating system. And the only
way we do that is we've got to slow our
brain waves down in that thinking neo cortex. The challenge
for most people is they have so many demands in
their life, they have so many emotional responses to circumstances

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in their life that they're living in a state of
stress and living in the state of survival. And state
of stress and survival, you don't close your eyes. You
got to keep your eye on the ball. You got
to keep your attention on the outer environment. So their
brains tend to work in a higher brainwave pattern, a
mid range or high level beta brainwave pattern, and that's
like driving your sports car in first gear. It's a

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lot of energy for the brain. So learning how to
regulate and slow your brain waves down is something that
we've been very, very interested in. When you teach people
how to do that, it could become a skill. And
when the brain starts to relax and it moves into
less of that chatter that takes place in your brain
and more of an imaginary state the brain sees in

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pictures and images, it's more creative. We're moving into that
alpha state. So now the door between the conscious mind
and the subconscious mind opens up as we get beyond
our analytical mind, and our analytical mind is actually what
separates the conscious mind from the subconscious mind. So as
you slow your brain waves down and you get into alpha,
you're entering the operating system. And that's where you can

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rewrite a new program. That's where you can rehearse a
new script. That's where you can begin to plan your
behaviors in an intentional way. If you can't change your
brain waves, then it's like your computer running a mock
with all of those programs and you yelling at it
telling it to stop. You're not in the operating system.

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Some people can get to the point where they're so
relaxed that the body's in a light sleep, and yet
they're conscious and awaken. Now they're in this Theata brain
wave pattern and in Theta that's a hypnotic state. We're
very suggestible to our thought, we're very suggestible to information
in that state, and that state then is where we

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see the most change take place. And so the person
can literally change from the inside out. When they learn
how to get into the operating system, you've.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Just hit the node on the head. With the constant experience.
Everyone has to think again, going back to what I
was saying that when we're trying to make a change,
the thing that blocks us from making the change is
usually stress. If I'm trying to be a kind, loving,
compassionate person, but I'm stressed out, I'm likelier to be
snappy and rude and condescending. If I'm trying to be

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healthier in my diet, but I'm stressed out or burnt out,
I'm going to reach for the sugary food or the
cobs in the fat like that doesn't come from anything
else but stress.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
To take away the feeling, to take away the fee,
take away the feeling. Right, Yeah, So let's get real clear,
because I think it's important for people to understand what
we're talking about, the stress, and we're talking about living
in survival. It's so important to name those emotions because
anger and frustration and control and hatred and envy and

(29:08):
jealousy and insecurity and unworthiness and guilt and shame and
suffering and depression, those are all derived Those are emotions
that are derived from the harmones of stress, and psychology
calls those normal states of consciousness. Those are altered states
of consciousness because in stress, the physiology is that we're

(29:29):
not out of homeostasis, we're not out of balance because
we perceiving some threat, some danger, some emergency. And so
the stronger the emotion you feel to whatever stress or
there is in your life, the more you pay attention
to it. And so in time, then you have to
keep your attention on all the important elements in your life.
So you sit down to do a meditation, and when

(29:50):
you're living in stress and you're living in survival, there's
only three things that are important in that moment. Your
attention is on your body because you've got to preserve it.
Your attention is on something in your environment. And what's
in your environment people, objects, things, places, and you're very
preoccupied with time. And when you're in stress and you're
in survival, the brain goes onto a default mode and

(30:13):
it's naturally trying to predict the next moment based on
what it's learned in the past. And so as you
always try to forecast the future based on your memory
of the past, you can't be in the present moment,
right So, and yet our model of change, what we
discovered is that the only way a person can change
is when they get beyond their body. They get beyond

(30:36):
all the elements of their environment, and they get beyond
that predictable fusion and familiar past, and they sink into
the present moment, which is the unknown. So if you
can't do that because of the hormones of stress, most
people will sit down and they'll say, oh, okay, I'm
gonna close my eyes. I'm going to start this process
where I'm gonna rehearse how I'm going to be today,
and they start thinking about their cell phone, they start

(30:56):
thinking about all their emails, and they start thinking, I
can't meditate. There's something wrong with me. It's my mother's fault,
you know. And they actually believe that thought to be
the truth. And then they get up and they they
actually reaffirm it, and they say, I can't meditate. Now. I
can tell you that if you are willing to see
that thought is just the thought in your brain and

(31:18):
you're curious what's on the other side of that thought. Yeah,
you're going to feel uncomfortable. But if you had some
tools and skills to apply and you were able to
take your attention off your cell phone and settle your
body back down into the present moment, that would be
a victory. And then your body would say, come on,
you gotta feel a little frustration now. You got to

(31:40):
be impatient, you got to be judgmental. Come on, that's
what you always think, that's how you always feel, and you,
like an animal, you settle the body back down into
the present moment, and you tell it it's no longer
the mind, that you're the mind. That's a victory. Then
the body says, hey, dude, you're super busy. You got
a lot lot of things to do. You got a

(32:01):
lot of people to see, you got a lot of
places that go, you got a lot of things to do,
and you've been doing the same thing every day. Your
body's going to want to get up and do something.
You don't want to quit because your brain's telling you
that you can't do this. If you had the awareness
to settle the body back down into the present moment,
you would be executing a will that's greater than the program,

(32:25):
because most people lose their free will to those programs.
And it's that tedium in the beginning that is an
uncompromising will where you keep training the animal to stay,
to take all of its attention off the environment, to
get beyond all the cravings, the feelings, the habits of

(32:46):
the body, the drives of the body, and catch yourself
defaulting to that predictable future, bringing your body back into
the present moment, siphoning energy back, your attention into the
past based on those familiar emotions in the past. Discover
that if you're willing to do that for just a
few days, you could actually liberate an enormous amount of

(33:07):
energy from your body. You go from particle to wave,
from matter to energy, and you're literally transmuting those limited
emotions into elevated emotions. And something really beautiful happens. If
you're willing to fire the crucible and sit through that
long enough, all of these emotions, that energy moves right

(33:29):
up into the heart and the person starts falling in
love with life. They start feeling this state of gratitude,
this gratefulness to be alive, this inefftable word of relaxed
and awake. And something really magical happens. When we've discovered

(33:50):
this little simple thing, and that energy makes it through
the heart, there's only one place it wants to go,
and it goes straight to the brain. So the person
starts relaxing into their heart when they feel this feeling,
and the more they relax into the heart, the more
their brain. All of a sudden starts becoming aroused, and

(34:11):
they start going into these elevated gamma brainwave patterns. Now,
gamma is not unconscious. Gamma is actually super conscious. It's
actually super aware. You're outside the program now. So when
that occurs and the brain goes into gamma brainwave patterns,
what we discovered is it's not a little gamma. It's

(34:33):
not a lot of gamma. It's not a whole lot
of gamma. It's a super natural amount of gamma. And
we start seeing these brain waves where we see FDA
start carrying alpha, and alpha starts resonating with beta, and
beta starts creating high beta, and high beta starts creating gamma.
And you see these standing waves of brain coherence happening,

(34:57):
and the person feels so amazing that they don't want
the moment to end. And so we see when they
put their attention on their heart, like filling a gas tank,
we see on the gauge on the scan, this very
low frequency start rising in the heart. The energy that

(35:17):
the heart uses to function actually goes up because they're
placing their attention there. And where they place their attention
is where they place their energy. Then you see the
powasympathetic nervous system come up with it. That's the nervous
system of relaxation. And then we see it kind of
drop and we see the sympathetic nervous system starting to
go up. And now, sympathetic regulation is an arousal, right,

(35:41):
but the arousal is in fear. The arousal isn't hatred
or aggression. The arousal is in pain. That's the arousal
created from survival. There's only one other arousal, and that's ecstasy.
That's bliss, and the person all of a sudden feels
connected to something greater. Now here's the beauty. We could

(36:02):
see people do this in fifteen minutes. The most important
takeaway around all of this is that feeling that they're
feeling is not coming from anywhere outside of them. No
person's doing that, no wardrobe change is doing that, no
sports cardonal football game, nothing is doing it to them.

(36:23):
It's actually coming from within. That is the moment they
stop looking for it outside of them and the love
affair begins. And so when we start feeling these elevated emotions,
these more selfless emotions, it's not like you have to
try to forgive it. Actually is the side effect of
you changing your emotional state. You no longer want because

(36:46):
you feel so whole, how could you want anything? So
we started interviewing people when they have these moments, and
they had such an incredible amount of love that they felt.
We measure their tocin levels or love chemicals are very elevated.
The amount of gamma in terms of coherence was two

(37:09):
hundred three hundred, four hundred standard deviations outside of normal
in coherent gamma. Now three standard deviations outside of normal
in gamma is about two percent of the population two
hundred three hundred for four and a lot of energy
in the brain. So the brain all of a sudden
is receiving an enormous amount of energy. So we've discovered

(37:30):
relaxed in the heart and awaken the brain. And that
process of transformation is your willingness to sit past that thought,
pass that emotion, and keep training the animal and sooner
or later you can recondition it to a new mind.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
And the system for this new mind in this journey
that you're talking about is meditation, and this is coming
through a meditative practice. Is that similar to the breath
work meditation practice that you just did research on or
is that dirty?

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Separate these Wow? Okay, yeah, yes, So our week long
events or a full immersion experience, We've done the largest
studies on meditation that have ever been done, just because
we have a community of eighteen hundred people that come
to an event that are going to be getting up
at the same time doing the same thing, pretty much
eating making the same food choices in pretty much a

(38:20):
big laboratory, right, And so our discoveries in working with
eighteen hundred people in measuring brain waves, their brain function
before and after the event, measuring their gene expression before
and after the event. We're measuring two and eighty two
metabolites in their blood. We're measuring DNA expression, We're measuring urine,

(38:44):
we're measuring saliva, we're measuring the energy of the room,
We're measuring everything. And meditation in a sense that it's
not in the traditional way. What we do is we
look at what really works, you know, we're actually looking
to say, well, that's something that we can actually see
it change in. So we teach meditation three ways to
become familiar with your own self and to become familiar

(39:07):
with your new self. That's what the word meditation means familiarization,
to become familiar with so we use that model for change.
So slow your brain weighs down and get beyond your
analytical mind is meditation, and you teach your body how
to do that. And we've discovered a formula that simply
makes it very easy for people to do it. You
practice it, you'll get good at it, just like anything
else you practice. So to get beyond the analytical mind,

(39:29):
there's another way to reprogram ourselves. And then meditation is
really about getting beyond your body, or disconnecting from your body,
disconnecting from your environment, and forgetting about time. And that
is that eye of the needle where we begin to
make the most significant changes. So we're data driven, you know,
we're really looking to see what it is. And when

(39:50):
we see brains respond in the same way, it helps
me enormously to teach the material better. And so the
more people understand what they're doing, and the more they
understand why they're doing it, the more naturally the how
becomes easier, and nothing is left to conjecture. If nothing
is left to superstition or dogma or even in spiritual

(40:13):
you know, traditional words, New science says the contemporary language
would demystify that process. And you give people numerous times
to overcome themselves and numerous times to connect. Sooner or
later you'll start watching transformation right before your eyes. And
so one of the cool things that we've discovered is

(40:34):
that we have so much compelling data to suggest that
you're greater than you think, more powerful than you no,
more unlimited than you could ever dream. We have compelling
data to suggest that your nervous system is the greatest
pharmacist in the world, that it makes drugs that work
better than any drug in a drug store. A drug

(40:55):
study is about eighteen to twenty five percent cause and
effect causality. Our data is between seventy five in eighty
five percent cause and effect. This is a person creating
their own pharmacy of anti inflammatories, their own pharmacy of
anti carcinogenic chemicals, their own pharmacy of pain relievers, who
are seeing this over and over again. So we have

(41:18):
this incredible data that says that this is no longer pseudoscience,
This is this is really science. The side effect of
a person's transformation is has changed my belief in what's possible.
I have seen people stand on the stage with stage
four cancers that were in every single organ in their

(41:38):
body that metastasized, and they have no sign of cancer
in their body. And we have data that suggests that
you put the blood of an advanced meditator and a
uterine cancer cell a pancreatic cancer cell, seventy percent of
the mitochondrial function in the cancer cells diminished in the
mitochondria is the energy packets of the cell. It's taking energy.

(42:00):
The cancer cell works perfect with what we're seeing with
the testimonials that people are telling around the world. We've
seen blind people see We've seen deaf people here. We've
seen people with spinal cord injuries walk again. We've seen
als change, We've seen all kinds of unbelievable health conditions

(42:22):
change by a person simply changing the way they think,
the way they act, and the way they feel.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
How long have you seen certain things lost? Like how
much does the practice have to continue daily to sustain impact?
Because I feel that you know, this isn't as you know,
isn't a one off thing, and that isn't what you're encouraging.
Like this is the experience of when someone's coming to
a retreat or an event they're having this incredible experience,

(42:48):
But then do you measure how people continue to practice?

Speaker 1 (42:50):
That's important. Yeah, it's super important for us, and of
course we have mounds of data. But let's see if
I can say this as as clear as I possibly can.
When a person has that arousal where they're feeling that
elevated emotion and their eyes are closed, they're in a

(43:11):
room with eighteen hundred people, there's music playing in the background.
They're not eating, they're not smelling, they're not tasting, they're
moving about and feeling on some level, they're having an
inner experience. Right. The body is so objective that it's
literally believing it's living in a new environment, and so
that elevated emotion somehow tends to drag the body right

(43:34):
out of the past into the present moment. So many
people with everything from exhama to muscular dystrophe, when they
have those events, there's a biological change that takes place
in their body where they feel completely differently. Now, some
people heal all the way. Some people are out of

(43:55):
their wheelchair and they're walking again, but they're limping, and
it doesn't mean it's over. It just means they made
contact where they hit gold, and so there's varying degrees
that we see. We've seen people for seven years work
on a terminal health condition to them seven years to

(44:15):
heal that health condition. Some people it takes two years,
three years. Some people they do it in three months.
There's no predictable menu that we can say it's this way. Now,
when people have those more profoundly aroused states, it seems
like their change is much more immediate and much more permanent.

(44:38):
But for the most part, we see people's response pretty dramatic. Now,
it's also important to say that we have seen people
heal from terminal cancers stop feeling those elevated emotions and
return to responding to the circumstances and conditions in their life,
and return back to the same personality, the same personality,

(45:00):
as the same personal reality and their bodies believing it's
living in that same environment and they're feeling the same way,
and they're in the habit of acting the same way
and thinking the same way, and lo and behold, the
condition returns. We've seen people heal themselves of Parkinson's disease
more than once, have one response to some very serious

(45:24):
event in their life that produced a very strong emotion,
and in one hour their condition returned because they literally
went back to the world it self. And we've seen
that person turn around and reverse the condition again again.
People do the best with what they think is available.
The person standing on the stage, who we've had numerous
physicians and researchers stand on the stage, they're the four

(45:45):
minute mile. They're telling the community. I'm the example of truth.
This is no longer philosophy, this is no longer theory.
Here's my scans. We had someone with bilateral breast cancer
just recently. No evidence of cancer in our breasts or
any lymph nodes, no longer in our liver. I'm looking
out at the audience and everybody's leaning in. There's the

(46:10):
formut a mile, and that person's telling the truth, and
they're telling a story, and it's not pretty. It's not
always rosy. They went through a lot of dark nights,
they went through a lot of their condition getting worse,
but every day they had to show up for themselves.
If they stopped showing up and doing the work, they
would really not believe it was possible. But if they

(46:32):
showed up and did the work, it means that they
believe it's possible, And I think when you believe in possibility,
you got to believe in yourself, and you believe in yourself,
you gotta believe in possibilities. So it used to be
a few examples of that. Now we have so many
great testimonials, so many great stories that now people it's
becoming infectious, just like a virus or any bacteria becomes infectious.

(46:55):
Now health and wellness becomes as infectious as disease. A
community of people starting to break through. When you start
seeing these changes where people stand on the stage, invariably
you're going to see a very strong shift in consciousness.
And consciousness is awareness, and if you're unaware that you
could actually heal yourself, you'll make the same choice once

(47:17):
you see it. I think it starts creating a brushfire,
and that's really the exciting part. So we've seen so
many great testimonials that are undeniably great stories of transformation,
and many many of those people still no longer have
their exsimus, still no longer have their Parkins', still no
longer have their cancer.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yeah. Since the last time we spoke, I know your
team of research is when I did some work I
wanted to ask you some questions about this. You did
some research on the impact of one minute breath work.
How does this impact our heart rate variability? And how
does HIV impact our anxiety.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Let's talk about heart rate variability because it's important. Thing.
So your brain is trying to control and predict everything
that's taking place in your life, because stress is actually
created when you can predict something, you can't control something,
or you have the perception that something's going to get worse. Okay,
so you switch on that primitive nervous system, the fight

(48:10):
or flight nervous system, and as you shift your attention
from one person to another person, to another thing, to
another place, to another problem, every one of those different
elements has a neurological network in your brain. So the
arousal of the hormones to say, pay attention, there's danger.
As you start shifting your attention to each one of
these elements that have neurological networks in your brain, your

(48:31):
brain starts firing very incoherently. And in fact, you could
actually by thinking about your problems, turn on the stress
response just by thought alone, and that's what most people do.
So now there you are, You're sitting in traffic the
heart is pumping because it's trying to get blood to
the extremities, because a primitive system switching on saying that

(48:52):
there's a predator, there's danger, and the heart is beating
against closed arteries, and the heart starts beating out of rhythm.
It starts beating out of order, and it starts beating
very incoherently. So when you have incoherence in the brain
and you have incoherence in the heart, when waves are incoherent,
when they intersect with each other, they cancel each other out.

(49:13):
And when they cancel each other out, that's less energy
in the brain. There's less energy in the brain. You're
going to default to some of those reflexive systems. If
energy is diminished in the heart. You're not going to trust,
You're not going to be vulnerable, you're not going to
want to commune, you're not going to want to connect,
you're not going to want to feel grateful. It's not

(49:34):
a time to feel any of those things. It's time
to run, fight, and hide. Okay, So most people say, okay, well,
I had a stressful day. I was stressed out the
entire day, and at the end of the day they
turn on the TV and they relax. The important thing
to realize is that if you're relying on something outside
of you to change that emotional state, you'll become dependent

(49:55):
on it. So is it possible then to begin to
create more coherence in the brain. And the answer is yes,
because when you're under the gun of those chemicals of survival,
you're narrowing your focus on the cost. You hear something
moving in the bushes, you freeze and you narrow your focus.
And it's that narrowing focus that tends to be obsessive.

(50:15):
When we're in stress. We overthink things, we overanalyze that
actually we've discovered makes the brain worse and it actually
makes the heart regulate more out of order. So then
we said, Okay, if the brain is narrowing its focus
and it's becoming over attentive, what if we teach it
how to do something else. What if we teach it
how to broaden its focus and instead of focusing on

(50:38):
something material or something known, just open up and focus
on nothing. And the act of broadening the focus actually
cause a person to stop thinking and doing and start
sensing and feeling is actually what starts to slow their
brain waves down. The redundancy of shifting your attention from
one person to another person, to another problem, to another

(50:59):
thing causes the brain to fire like a lightning storm
and the clouds very incoherently. So as you start to
open your awareness, and since nothing seen this thousands of times,
those different networks that are firing out of order start
to synchronize, and what sinks in the brain links in
the brain, and the brain becomes more orderly. It starts

(51:20):
to become more coherent. If you could learn how to
rest your attention in your heart, and where you place
your attention is where you place your energy. Regulate your breath,
start slowing your breathing down. Even if you did it
for one minute, you could actually begin to change your
brain waves and you could actually cause your heart to

(51:41):
start functioning more regulation and more order. If you said, Okay,
I'm gonna work with my body and I'm gonna start breathing,
and I'm gonna start feeling emotions that I do want
to feel. Yes, it may take you a few minutes
to get there, but if you keep practicing it over
and over again, the heart starts producing a very profound signal.

(52:05):
It starts to produce an external magnetic field. It's measurable.
So now you have a coherent brain, which means you
can get very intentional, and you have a coherent heart,
which means you can feel the emotions of your future
before it happens. Somehow. You have this broadcasting of this

(52:26):
Wi Fi signal, And the brain tends to be electrical
in nature, so it sends out an electrical charge into
the field. The heart is the magnetic charge. It's what
draws things to us. It's the magnetic field. And now
you actually by changing the way you think and the
way you feel, you're changing the signal in the field.

(52:49):
Then if you're able to maintain that state for an
extended period of time, I say, something magical is going
to happen in your life, something unusual, someone known experience
is going to occur. If you keep thinking the same
way and feeling the same way, your life should stay
the same. So we do one minute practices, we do

(53:10):
five minute practices, we do thirty minute practices. We want
to get so good at doing it with our eyes
closed that we can do it with our eyes open.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah. Now, when I hear that, like I've had personal
genuine experience of that where I've done that when I've
had when I'm having a moment where I'm feeling anxious,
or I'm feeling stressed, or you know, something unpredictable has happened,
and I feel that change in my heart rate, and
I notice my breathing change. I notice had become more shallow,

(53:38):
I notice had become more random. I know that when
I'm practicing breath work, I'm able to come back to stillness.
I'm able to come back to that sense of balance,
and then I'm able to actually approach the issue at
hand with more clarity, with more connectedness and a feeling
of confidence. But when someone else who may not have
had that experience yet or may not be trained in that,

(54:01):
they're just thinking, well, how do I solve the problem? Right?
They're listening to me, and you're going, well, but I
can't because I just I need to solve this problem,
like you're saying, like I'm going to be thirty minutes
late for a job interview, or i just had an
argument with my partner this morning, and I've got a
big presentation this morning as well at work. Now I'm

(54:21):
stressed about it because I'm thinking about that, Or my
kid just got yeah, I had to rush into the
hospital and now I'm late. Like I guess, when you're
looking at it from a very human point of view,
it's really hard to understand the value in this. What
do you say to anyone who's thinking and feeling that way.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
No, I think it's I think it's a reasonable conversation.
I mean, sometimes we have to be super aroused, and
sometimes we really have to pay attention, and sometimes there
are threats and dangers where that primitive nervous system actually
works in our favor, and that's the emergency system. But
you got to also realize that you only have a
certain amount of energy, and if you're living in emergency

(54:57):
mode for an extended period of time, there's no energy
for growth repair, there's no energy for long term building projects.
And so when it's needed and you have to outrun
the predator, you go. You don't sit and try to
make friends with the predator. We're not that good. You run, right.
The problem is if you keep that alarm system switched
on all the time, it gets very addictive. It gets

(55:19):
very addictive, right, And so I have looked at people's
brain scans and watch their brain get worse in the
early days and tap them on the head and say,
what were you doing in there? One hundred percent of
the time they were analyzing the problems in their life
within that disturbing emotion. And if an emotion is a

(55:40):
record of the past and they can't think greater than
how they feel they're thinking in the past, there's no
solution there across the river. Get beyond the emotion and
you'll see possibility because you're no longer in the box
of that emotional state. Now, that's so much easier said
than done, because you're going against thousands of years of

(56:01):
programming of living in survival. I mean, two hundred years ago,
it wasn't easy to being human. I mean, we're in
survival all the time and famine, you know, every disease,
I mean it it was hard to be human. And
so we have to lay down the very thing we
used our whole life to get what we want for
something greater to occur. And it goes against thousands of

(56:24):
years of programming. It's not something that you get good
at doing once you got to keep practicing. So so
you really have two ways to look at it. If
you're if you're living in stress and you're living in survival,
and that system is switched on, then everything will be
a threat. Everything will be a danger, everything will be
a reason to rush, to be impatient, to be frustrated,

(56:45):
to be judgmental, because that's the consciousness, that's the emotion
we're living by. So now you have a problem with
a coworker, you have a problem with your partner, whatever
it is that you used as an example, and you
have to give a presentation. Now you really have one
of two. Either be victimized by those conditions in your
life and you stay in that emotional state. And I'll

(57:06):
say to you, Jay, worry that way while I'm this
way because of this person, the circumstances that person, or
circumstances controlling the way I feel and the way I think.
Anything that controls the way I feel and the way
I think I'm victim to, right, Okay, Or I actually
can be a creator now, Okay. So when it's the
hardest that matters the most. Okay. So there's going to
be a story, a valid story that's going to go

(57:28):
along with those emotions that you're going to have to
give up that you can address at another time from
a different state. If you're altered in that state, and
you say something, you do something, you write, the email,
you send the text, You'll always regret it. You'll always
say I should have never said that, I should have
never done that. We've got to learn that we're in
an altered state at that time. So it's only one

(57:50):
of two choices. You either stay there the whole day
and tell everybody that story, or you say, okay, let
me take a moment. Remember that this is the experiment
call life. Okay, let me practice getting relaxed in my hearty,
slow the animal down, let me practice. I'll take a
few minutes now, let me breathe, me get my state back,
let me change everything. Okay, let me remember who I am,

(58:12):
who I want to be when I open my eyes,
and let me practice that again. Now, even if you
had to do that ten times in one day, I
would say it was a day worth living. I would
say it was a day worth living. And when we
do walking meditations in our retreats, we're doing walking meditations,
so you can practice doing it with your eyes open,
like if you're gonna be relaxed in your heart and

(58:33):
awaken your brain, and you can do it with your
eyes close. Okay, Let's take it out for a test drive.
Let me open my eyes, let me pay a little
bit more attention to my inner world. Let me practice
feeling this feeling. Let me practice feeling this way, and
let me brain do what it does. Let me get
to finally change my physiology. Let me change my state.
Let me walk as the healed personally, walk as the

(58:55):
abundant person. Let me walk as if my prayers are
answering me walk in the state. If I keep practicing
that over and over, it's going to become a habit. Right,
So we hit it as many ways as we can.
We have at least seven or eight different breaths that
we do because we see how they all work in
the brain. We have all kinds of meditations. We have
sitting meditations, we have standing and walking meditations. You're laying

(59:17):
down meditations, but we want you to be able to
do it with your eyes open, with your eyes go, standing, walking,
anyway you can so that you don't default and return
back to that person. Now, if you do default, you
didn't fail. That's a program. You just went unconscious. And
how many times do we have to forget until we
stop forgetting and start remembering that's the moment of change.

(59:39):
No one cares how many times you fell off the
bicycle if you ride the bicycle. Now you ride the bike.
So it's the constant process every single day. And I
think that sometimes we look for evidence in our life
and it hasn't happened. And I think it's so important
that we still show up because that's where you're changing

(01:00:00):
the most. And when you get to that point where
you could care less if it happens or not because
you feel so happy, so grateful for who you are,
get ready because your life is going to begin to
change in magical ways. I'm so proud of our community,
not because they do the work every day, not because
they're trying to be good or please anybody. They do
because they don't want the magic to really end. I

(01:00:22):
know the experiment is too good. Is they don't, They're
going to continue to be a creator in their life.
So then when they change the way they feel and
the way they think and they start seeing evidence in
their life, they're going to remember what they did inside
of them to produce that outcome, and they're going to
believe their creator of their life, unless of the victim
of their life and that's empowerment, and you can't take
that away from anybody. You can't tell me now you're

(01:00:43):
too sick to do that. You can't tell me you're
too old to do that. You can't tell me you
had a horrible past, you're too out of shape. You
can't even tell me that you never meditated before. Because
people that come they know nothing, They get dragged by
somebody and they have the most profound experience because they're
not expecting anything. And we have data suggests that when
you don't expect anything, you're going to have a profound moment.

(01:01:04):
So everybody can do it. There's nobody that's so special
to be excluded from this process. And we have had
people that have had brutal pasts with abuse, with trauma.
We've seen the Navy seals and prisoners with horrible, horrible
memories literally transformed, literally transform in seven days. And I

(01:01:27):
could say right now that you make the time every
single day to decide who you're going to present to
the world, and you get up as that person. You're
going to fall a lot of times, but sooner or later,
once you start to change, it's pretty hard to go back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Yeah, I think we so easily forget that anything that
we've achieved today, any place we've got to, was a
commitment to refining the process. It was a disciplined effort
to make a tiny improvement on something else. When you
give the cycle example, the bike example, the idea that
you got back up and you maybe changed one thing.

(01:02:03):
You need to shift your balance differently. You knew to
pedal at a different pace. Like you tried these different things,
and it's what you're saying that it's an experiment. If
we keep trying the same thing, we get the same result.
But the point that I love that you brought up
to that answer was the idea that sometimes you do
need to be an emergency, but don't make emergency a
habit exactly. And I think that's where most of us

(01:02:26):
veer off on the wrong path. I was asked recently,
anyone who knows me today knows that I'm a hard working, productive,
high performance type of individual. I live a very scheduled
life and a disciplined life. And the biggest question I
get around the holidays is Jay, are you able to
switch off? And I always go back and give the

(01:02:47):
credit to my monk training and say I switch off
immediately as soon as I'm on the flight home. I
remember before Christmas, I was getting on a flight home
back to London, and I was off the moment I
stepped onto the flight, and it was because it's not
because I'm special or because I'm unique or I have superpowers.
It's because I've simply done what you said where it's

(01:03:08):
I've trained myself to always be present. And so if
I'm really present in my work like I am with
you now, then when I'm on the plane, I'm just
present and I know that it's time to switch off.
And so I think the idea that our presence bleeds
and our lack of presence bleeds. And it's not that
you can selectively be in emergency here and not in

(01:03:29):
emergency here. The state you're feeding is going to spread
across your whole life. Like I know a lot of
people who are high performance, and I've had to be
mindful of this as well. It's like their high performance
at work, but then they take that high performance and
they give it to their family, and now their family
is getting a high performance dad, and they don't want that.
They just want their dad or they want their mom.

(01:03:50):
And so how do we develop that. I guess that's
a highly trained ability. Is what you're saying is we
get the ability then to say, Okay, I know when
to use this and when not to. That's a more
heightened stay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah. I mean, look, there's nothing wrong with the hormones
of stress. I mean that's the only way we could
actually survive. We're part human, part animal, part divine. I mean,
we have two things at work here. I think the
biggest challenge for a lot of people. In seventy percent
of the time, people are living in that state of survival,

(01:04:21):
living in that state of stress. The more you understand
what that actually does to you, the more you can
make better choices on how long you actually do want
to stay there. Here's an example. Many people who are
changing a health condition in our work, they start to
do the work. They start noticing, I'm sleeping better, I

(01:04:43):
have less pain, I got my appetite back, I feel
like I have more energy. They start noticing these subtle
subjective changes that go to their doctor and their scans
still show that they have their health conditions. So they're
noticing a change, but they're not healed all the way. Now,
they don't say it didn't work. They say, what is
it about me that I still have to change in

(01:05:05):
order to heal? What thought? What behavior? What emotions? So
they're work in progress, right. Many of those people discover
that they have one really good hour of meditation where
they feel connected, they feel like their heart is opening up,
they feel like their brain is coherent, they feel really great.
They don't want the moment to end. And then they
spend fifteen or sixteen hours of their day back in

(01:05:28):
a program, rushing around, back in their emotional states, responding
and reacting, and they realize that how could one hour
of an elevated state weigh against fifteen or sixteen hours
of my response to everyone and everything in my life
emotionally is derived from those familiar emotions of fear or
anger or hatred or pain or suffering whatever. Okay, So

(01:05:52):
now this is where the practicum actually goes to the
next level because they're no longer just sit down and
rehearsing who they want to be. They're actually rehearsing for
their life. They're saying, Okay, when I see that person,
when I'm in that circumstance, I can't go unconscious and
feel this emotion, and I can't go unconscious and say,

(01:06:14):
these things are act this way, how am I going
to act? What would love do? What would greatness look like?
They don't know. They read about it, They get more
information and they're building this model, and now all of
a sudden, their response to people, to circumstances, the problems
in their life are changing. Now that's because they're changing.

(01:06:35):
Then they notice that their health condition starts to improve
a little bit more. Now now they don't say, how
come my Alzheimer's or my Barkinson's or my als has healed.
They're saying, how much more can I open my heart
in my day and feel this with my eyes open
all day long? If I understand that if I live
by these emotions, I'm signaling jeans ahead of the environment. Well,

(01:06:58):
I'm going to stay in this state because it's this
emotional state that is actually going to heal me. So
I remember this feeling, I remember this feeling. I remember
this feeling. And now they're no longer trying to remember
the feeling just for any other reason, but because I
want to remember the feeling when with their eyes open.
Now it's their understanding that the more that they change,
the more that their health changes, and you can have

(01:07:19):
the best diet, and you could do the best exercise,
and you could be really rigid in the food choices
and vitamins and minerals and keep your body chemically balanced
and physically balanced. But if you're not emotionally balanced, and
you're constantly in that fight or flight system, stress is
when your body's knocked out of homeostasis. The stress is
when your brain and body are knocked out of balance.

(01:07:41):
So you could have all those things working for you,
but if you are living in fear, or you're controlling,
and you're rigid, and you're perfectionist and your heart on yourself,
it's going to make sense that that is going to
have to change in order for you to change, right,
And so people start getting they start getting it. That's
the only way I'm going to change. If I don't change,
it's not going to change.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Yeah. One of my favorite things as a practical exercise
I ever did was I literally had scripts, and I
mean handwritten, like I wrote scripts for how I wanted
to feel when I experienced ego envy, and so for
every emotional challenge, I had something that I thought was
an unhealthy thought. I literally had like pages and pages

(01:08:24):
and pages of scripts that were built up from research,
that were built up from spiritual literature, that were built
up from science, whatever it may be. Of what did
I want to be able to say to myself when
this thought or that thought came up? And it sounds
so basic, but it really does rewire your thoughts when

(01:08:44):
now all I can think of is that script.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Sure, and I need to update that script regularly. Sure,
that's a good point. I mean, I mean I'm constantly. Yah,
it's constantly. Yeah, it's not one, I'm constantly. I mean,
I mean ninety five percent of who we are by
the time middle age is a set of unconscious thoughts, behaviors,
and emotions. I mean those are beliefs and perceptions that
we have about ourselves in our lives. So I mean
this is a never ending process of self discovery. I

(01:09:08):
mean there's always challenges that you'll have in your life
that are going to initiate you into becoming conscious of
what you're unconscious to. And you've got to meet those
challenges from a greater level of consciousness than the consciousness
that's created. And you can't. If you don't, your response
and the way you feel and the way you think
being the same. And if you believe that how you
think and how you feel creates your life. If you

(01:09:30):
don't change the way you think and the way you feel,
your life's going to stay the same because you're the same.
I mean, that's the way it works. So fundamentally, it's
so important for people to understand that it is actually
possible to change. It really is possible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
It is. Yeah. I love that you keep repeating that,
because it's I think that's the hardest part where you've
just again the broken record is I can't change, nothing
will change, and not realizing that it's just a set
of habits, it's just a set of routines that you've
adopted as your reality.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
And you're going to be uncomfortable and get used to it.
And so you could either stay uncomfortable or you could
actually say, how do I want to feel? Let me
instead of memorizing this emotion. Let me memorize this emotion,
Let me open my heart when it goes against everything
that I've been taught in programmed to do, I mean,
and that's really when it really begins to matter the most.
So it's really an exciting time and I'm so happy

(01:10:22):
to see that people are wrapping their minds around all
of this and doing it, you know, doing it for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Absolutely, absolutely, Have you found a difference, and I want
to get a bit more technically, have you found a
difference between meditation with breathwork and without breath work, because
I know you do both, and what do you find
is the usefulness and benefits of either.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
So we do so many different types of breath breath
for so many different types of reasons. The breath that
we were talking about with inspire pulling the mind out
of the body. We do that breath to take that
creative life force that sits at the base of this
s line, that that energy that can create another life form,
the energy we use to digest the meal, the energy
that we use to run from a predator. We're taking

(01:11:04):
all that energy that's stored in the body emotionally and
we're pulling that energy back up into the brain. If
you practice this breath repeatedly, there will be a release
of energy into the brain. We have the data to
show that you're going to have a lot more energy
in your brain, You're going to be way more coherent
in your brain, and you're going to be more conscious right,
And so why is that important? Why Because when you

(01:11:26):
regulate your brain waves, we don't want you to fall asleep.
We want you to actually be really relaxed and awake
at the same time. So we do this one breath
called pulling the mind out of the body. That's the
Inspire series, where we're taking all that creative energy and
we're with the breath pulling that energy right up to
a specific area of the brain. When you do that properly,
your brain will go into an altered state. That's the

(01:11:48):
reason why we do it. Then we do all kinds
of other breathing, like breathing to change the heart rhythm.
Sometimes when we're doing a laying down breath, when we're
practicing getting into that mystical state, just when the audience
is just starting to move into a slower brainwave state,
we'll do a very forced inhalation, exhalation, inhalation, over and

(01:12:11):
over again, like a hiker's breath, only so that the
person feels euphoric and so euphoric that they don't want
to fall asleep, and they'll move into a slower brainwave
pattern and the door between the conscious mind and the
subconscious mind opens, and many times there's a mystical experience
waiting for that person that's transcendental. So we do all
kinds of different breathing techniques because we have different intentions

(01:12:34):
behind each one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
If people want to dive into those, where should they go?
If they want to kind of grab some of those
techniques or get access, are they only at the events.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
There's an online course that we offer call the Progressive Workshop.
In the Progressive Workshop, we teach a few of those
breaths and if you come to a week long event,
you'll have an opportunity to do all of them. And
we started six in the morning. We finish it. I
don't know cancum the last one we did. I think
we finished at eight or eight thirty every night. It
was just a great group of people and we go
seven days and some mornings a little earlier. But you

(01:13:04):
got a lot of practice, you got a lot of tools,
so by the time you leave, you you can use
them in your life.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, for anyone who can't obviously get
to the live events, then the online course will be helpful,
but you can go along to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
It, and I think I think there's some good descriptions
also in Becoming Supernatural, my last book, where we break
it all down, and then there's some tutorials that we
have on our website to help you with some of
the breathing here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
I love that, Joe. Is there anything I haven't asked
you about today? Or anything that's on your mind and
heart that you really want to share with everyone, or
something you've been working on, or anything you feel compelled
to share.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Gosh, we covered a lot. We've covered a lot. We're
doing some really cool research with random event generators, and
random event generators are sophisticated. A coin tosses. You know,
if you the more you toss a coin, the more
you're going to get fifty to fifty heads, heads or tails. Right,
So this machine generates program machine generates about one thousand

(01:13:59):
tosses in a second. So you're looking at a very
very sophisticated machine. And if you run for thirty minutes,
you're going to see in time an equal number of
ones or zeros or heads or tails, and you're going
to see the straight line. And you get a group
of people together with brain coherence and hard coherence, they're
emitting a field. And when we do healings in our

(01:14:23):
events one hundred percent of the time when we do
those healings, those random event generators have dramatic skews to
show that random events become less random and more intentional.
And it's collective networks of observers that determine reality. And
it's not the number of people. It's not the amount

(01:14:44):
of energy because it could be entropic. It's the most
coherent energy and causing a machine that's programmed to behave
in a very very different way. And I think that
idea of community of people coming together when everybody else
is in fear, to show courage, when everybody else is

(01:15:05):
in pain, to show compassion when everybody else is in
anger or hatred, to show love. I mean, I think
by nature as human beings, I think we are wired
to give, to connect, to commune, to take care of
one another, to heal one another, to shine for one another.
And our data is so exciting to actually support that theorem.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah, I love that you brought that up. And that's
you know, that's very macro and big as well, but
also micro in that you're measuring people's daily experience. I think,
you know, when I think about families who live together
or couples or partners or whoever you may be. You know,
when you're sleeping together, when you're waking up together at
the same time, when you're sitting for meals together, when

(01:15:49):
you know we've realized and we know that the science
shows that your heart rates sync up like your heartbeats
sync up when you're with someone. And I think it's
really interesting because I think today and i individualistic world,
there's a big desire to do things at our own
time when we want how we want. But if you're
truly trying to build a relationship with someone else, will
build community. There's so much to be said for doing

(01:16:12):
these basic practices at the same time together. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
It's really hard to be in community when you're in
survival because survival makes us put our attention on ourselves, right,
And I think that when people are not living in survival,
when they're out of survival, our nature really is community,
is culture, is connection, and it starts with the self.
Then it starts with our closest relationships and builds out

(01:16:39):
from there. And I think that's a healthy model for
the world. I mean, when you're working on yourself and
I'm working on myself and I'm okay with me, and
you're okay with you. We were going to be okay
with everybody you know, and I think when we're not
okay with ourselves, that's when it gets complicated.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
That's amazing. Everyone who's listening and watching, make sure you
go and follow Joe. Our social media will put the
links to everything intersections there so you can follow along.
But I want to make sure that you share with
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know what you'll be practicing. I hope that there's parts
of this conversation that you'll listen to again and again

(01:17:18):
and again, because you have to realize that the first
time you hear it, there may be some inspiration, there
may be some insight, but the second time that repetition
is going to help you actually apply, rewire, and reconfigure.
So make sure you repeat, listen, and make sure you
share this with a friend as well, so you can
discuss it, talk about it, put it into your own
language and your vocabulary. That's such an important part of

(01:17:41):
putting this into practice as well. Joe az Eva, thank
you so much for making the time and effort, and
know that you've always got unpredictable things happening in your
life like this morning, but you chose to be here.
And thank you so much for being here. I really
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Thank you, Jane, thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Thank you. If you love this episode, you'll enjoy my
interview with doctor Daniel Ahman on how to change your
life by changing your brain.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
You want to drip dopamine, don't dump it because when
you dump it with the fries and the alcohol, the porn,
you don't have much laught and so then you have
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