Kevin Hart ON: How to Conquer Your Fear of Failing & Processing the Obstacles of Forgiveness, Love, and Loss

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The biggest drug. It's not cocaine, it's not heroin, it's
not molly or Opioid's biggest drug's fame. Anything you want,
everything you want. It's a thing. And if you can't
handle this thing, the consequence is attached. Are severe? Do
you know you? And are you okay with you? If

(00:23):
you are not, it'll break.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey. Everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one
health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every
one of you that come back every week to become happier, healthier,
and more healed. And I'm so grateful for this community
that we have here because I get to sit down
with some of the most incredible minds in the world,
people that I find fascinating not just personally and professionally,

(00:53):
but because of the potential and the purpose that they have.
Today's guest is someone who has been on my list
to interview from day one, so it's a very special
moment for me. I'm very excited. I'm speaking about someone
the one and only Kevin Hart, Hollywood's box office powerhouse,
opening eleven films at number one at the box office
and grossing more than four point two three billion dollars

(01:17):
in global revenue. Kevin has also become a successful entrepreneur.
He's a chairman of Heartbeat, a global multimedia platform company
creating entertainment at the intersection of comedy and culture with
a mission to keep the world laughing together. I love that.
Kevin is also the founder of Heartbeat Ventures. Kevin is
the New York Times best selling author twice over, and

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his first audible original, The Decision, was nominated for an
Audio Award for Best Original Audiobook. And I spent my
last five hikes listening to his new audiobook, Monsters and
How to Tame Them. And I have to tell you,
and I'm going to tell Kevin right now because he's
sitting in front of me. Dude, I have not been

(02:01):
that into something for a long long time. And I'll
tell you why. I have not stopped talking about the
different monsters, the different personalities, to my wife, my team,
to my colleagues. You've made it so relevant and accessible
to talk about your flaws in a way that I've
never seen before. So thank you so much for being here, man,

(02:22):
and thank you so grateful to be sitting with you.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Thank you, and you know, you know when flowers are
thrown out, I believe that they should, uh, they should
sometimes be returned and in this case, Man, I'm here
for a reason. The work that you've done, success that
you've had is groundbreaking. So major congrats to you. I
just want to say there's an there's an equal level
of appreciation and excitement for the moment. Man, You've done

(02:44):
some groundbreaking podcast your guests to how you've gotten people
open up, the conversations that you've had. More importantly, you know,
the lives that you're saving by just being transparent, authentic
and true to who you are. I think it's it's
dope as hell. So, uh, it's an honor the sit
across from you. I'm excited about the conversation and it's
one that's been on my list as well. So I'm

(03:06):
glad that you know, we finally got it worked out.
It's where we can make this happen.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, thank you. Man. That's that's very kind and it's
really beautiful hearing that from you, honestly, So let's dive
in before we keep going back and forth with Roses.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Let's get it. You know. One of the things I
want to start off and this is going to take
us anywhere and everywhere is how does it feel when
you're winning and then you discover you got monsters? Because
that's kind of the journey you've been on. And I
want to go back and forth in this journey, but
I want to start there, like, what does it feel
like when you're winning, you're succeeding, but then you all

(03:38):
of a sudden go, I've still got monsters in there?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
You know when you say and use the the word monsters,
just for clarity so people can understand. Of course, we're
talking about the different levels to you, right and within
the levels that I've discovered in myself of myself, you know,
you got your good versions and your band versions and
the bad versions I refer to as monsters, but just

(04:03):
because they're bad doesn't mean they don't have good quality.
And when you're winning and you're succeeding, there's this idea
that everything is right. There's this idea that perfection is
now presented itself in life. Moving forward is going to
be just an easy road. And it's not until you're
in that position where you expect perfection and you think

(04:25):
that that you start to see the true problems and
flaws really present themselves and you know, my monsters have
been masked in disguise in various different ways, but I've
been able to pinpoint them throughout the years because some
of those monsters grew got stronger developed. You're talking about

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the world of an ego, the idea of who you
think you are versus what you are, or the idea
of expectations and needs as to what you feel you
need and what you have to have. That's a that's
a monster that's feeding that right that that engine of well,

(05:06):
now that I'm making money, this is what I should have,
this is how I should look, this is how I'm
supposed to be. That's a monster that you're feeding, because
ultimately you're buying into something that you're creating. You're you're
enhancing this world of thought. And it's not till you
sit down and you take a breather and you start
to really kind of you start to really figure out

(05:27):
the true definition of happiness for you, You start to
really understand, uh, the adult that you have grown into
and the level of maturity that has now I guess
you can say have been banked inside the the the
human that you are. It's you're banking so much over

(05:49):
the years and ultimately you're you're shaping and molding yourself
into this this grounded hopefully, this grounded individual that you're
proud to look at in the mirror. At the end
of the day, I had to start to I had
to get to a place to where I was looking
in the mirror and I was proud of what I
was looking at, and I was okay with checking myself.

(06:10):
I was okay with pointing out my flaws. I was
okay with knowing what I do well and what I
do wrong. And at the end of the day, there's
no consequence to always improving, there's no consequence to growing.
You're in the time now where people almost frown upon
the world of growth, I embraced at I embraced the

(06:31):
world of correction. So the monsters and the world of
how to tame them came from me understanding the different
levels of monsters that have presented themselves to me over
the years, and me getting them to a point to
where I put them in a place where I can
control them. They're still there. They can rear their heads,
but I can say sit down, that's not necessary, that's

(06:53):
not needed, And I can tell when one is trying
to take me back to a place of old. But
at the age forty three, it's exciting to know that
I've grown from so much and you know, the world
of want is significantly different than what it once was.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
It's really interesting. You use the analogy of like looking
in the mirror and being okay with yourself, And when
you said that, I was thinking, Yeah, when you look
in the mirror, there's no trophies. The reflection doesn't show
the trophies, the wins, the money, that, whatever else. It
just shows you you and the fact that you've had
the courage to look at that. Where do you think
when you track back. I've always been fascinated by memories

(07:32):
that we hold from our childhood that have left an
imprint that's really strong in our lives, whether it be positive, challenging,
whatever it may be. What's a difficult memory from childhood?
Do you think that has been the catalyst for so
many things in your life? Is there anything that you
go back to that you're like, I can see how
that and I to turn that into a positive.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I think the biggest memory for me is the one
of being complacent. You know, as a child, I wasn't
really a kid that embraced the world to challenge. Right.
I was very complacent. I was okay with being a
subpar to low average student. Right. I was okay with
not trying. I was okay with not giving my all,

(08:16):
and I was kind of okay with getting over. Right. So,
the biggest memory that I have in my childhood is
like when I got to that early teen years, at twelve,
at thirteen, at fourteen, being sneaky and thinking that you're
constantly one uping someone was the That's what I was
embracing at the highest level. Do your homework, I did it?

(08:40):
Did you really do your homework? I did it, and
you taking my word for it and not checking my homework. Oh,
I didn't do it, but you think I did. I
got over ultimately year. You're slowly cheating yourself over the
course of years, and it's not until you get a
reality check as to why that work was necessary, as
you realize you're just not doing what you're supposed to

(09:02):
do with your life, right, You're not giving your all.
I had a lot of different examples of that. I
truly had a mom that made sure that I had
and I didn't take advantage or embrace the real work
that she put in until I got to an older
age of true understanding. But to be honest, I really

(09:24):
threw a lot of those things to the side. The
extracurricular activities, the swim teams, the football teams, the basketball teams,
the track and field, the baseball, all of these things.
As a kid, you don't understand your parents are doing
to try to provide you with the world of opportunity.
They're trying to keep you occupied. They're trying to embrace

(09:45):
this idea of hard work, effort, activity, engage. They're doing
all these things or all of these things to their kids,
or hopefully right for their kids, to put their kids
in a position to just want right, want the best, compete, study, learn,
be excited about their future. That light bulb went off late. Thankfully,

(10:08):
when it went off, it went off at the right time,
and I was able to identify a lot of stuff
that I couldn't then. And also, thankfully that a lot
of the lessons that my mom constantly embedded in me
about you don't start things that you're not going to finish,
You don't quit, apply your all, do this or don't
do it. You're not cheating anybody but yourself. All of
these things that I heard over the course of time,

(10:29):
there was a moment when I got older it all
hit at the same time. But the real memory for
me now looking back is I'm glad that I do
see that, that I am aware of that, because not
being aware of that as the hugest loss, Thinking that
I took full advantage, thinking that I really applied or

(10:51):
tried myself, thinking that that was one hundred percent would
be the real loss. So one of my best memories
is knowing that at one point I was a slacker.
You know, I was the guy that wanted to look
like he was doing but never truly was unless it
was something that I loved and embraced, and you know
that was basketball. But the chances of me making that

(11:13):
were very slow. But you know, that's to answer your question,
it's a ballpark of those memories that I now look
back on that I appreciate, but that also acts as
the fuel for the hard work and one hundred percent
that you see that I put into everything I do
to that.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, that's such a great reframe around what you saw
as a bigger loss. I think that's so powerful for
you to sit here and say, actually, I'm really happy
that I can see that I wasn't putting my best
foot forward, because that helps me be grateful to my mom.
It helps me understand it from a different perspective. And
the one thing that came to mind for me when

(11:49):
I'm listening to you say that is there's this quote
that says, the day you realize your parents were right,
your kids are telling you that you're wrong.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
And that's always been one of those statements that I
think about that in my own self, I thought my
parents were wrong my entire teenage life, and I think
most teenagers do. And then all of a sudden, I
hit my mid twenties and I'm like, oh, wait a minute.
My mom's been through a lot. You know, my parents
put in a lot of sacrifice, and so I love
that you brought that up. I mean, one of the
reasons we pushed this showback was you lost your father recently.

(12:23):
And when I heard the news, obviously you know my
love and condolences to your family, and I was I
was looking at what you were sharing and commenting about,
and there was this one thing that you said that
that really stuck with me, and you said that my
kids actually think I'm the coolest dad on the planet.
I know why I am the way I am. My

(12:44):
dad has a lot to do with that. The mistakes
that my dad made, you know, the decisions to do drugs,
being in and out of jail, in and out of
your lives. I saw firsthand what not being present did.
Because of that, I now know what being present means.
I know what I can do, I know what effect
it can have her in your child coming up. But
it sounded like, obviously when you lost your father recently,

(13:06):
it sounds like you've you'd reconcile, like you'd built somewhat
of a connection.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
You know, me and my dad, we we weren't the closest,
but we weren't not close my dad at the end
of the day, I'm gonna love my dad simply being
my dad. Now my dad's life, you know, I had
several different versions of drastic downs. Right, a small amount

(13:33):
of ups, but a lot of downs. I can easily
sit here and ridicule to judge my dad for the
mistakes that he made or for his past, but that
does nothing. I don't I don't like to focus on problem.
My focus on solution. Yes, So with me and my dad.
In our relationship, it was always one of solution, like
you can't go back and fix the years that you

(13:53):
weren't present. There's there is nothing that we can do
about that time. We can have a conversation about it,
you can talk about it, and then me and my
dad talking. My biggest thing was you don't have to
focus on what you can't change the fact that you're
here now and that you made a decision to get
clean to turn your life around. It's never too late.

(14:15):
My dad was, you know, fifty plus at the time
when he said, I'm gonna go ahead and figure it out,
and i'ma I'm gonna close that door and I'm gonna
work on this other door. This door over here was
like I said, jail, drugs in and out of his
kid's life. Uh, to the point where you know, there
was a there's a time where we didn't know where

(14:36):
my dad was and I bumped into my dad on
the train. I tell a story. I bumped into my
dad on a public transportation in Philadelphia, Like not seeing
him in years, I randomly saw my dad and my
dad was so embarrassed he got on the train and rant.
But it's like that's that's where that world and that
relationship was, and what I do very well. I don't

(14:59):
hold on to grudges or gripes. It takes too much time,
it takes too much energy. Things will work themselves out.
They never not have it always work itself out. I mean,
my dad worked it out right, like it's about the grandkids.
And our relationship got better as he embraced the opportunity
to be a great grandpa and seeing him try to

(15:23):
do that right was his way of saying, I wish
I could have done this right for you. I can't
like I know what you're saying without saying it. Sometimes
you don't need words, although some people do need them.
Sometimes your actions are a little better. And my dad's
actions and trying his best to be an unbelievable grandfather

(15:48):
made our father son relationship that much better. And you know,
there was a lot of conflict between my brother and
my dad and seeing that men over the time and
just saying, look, I'm not supposed to be here, dad,
look at what your son has done. Look at where
I am being that I can I want to make

(16:10):
sure that you get to see some dope things in life. Here.
Let's do this and take that and live like this
and do so things work themselves out. His reward for
giving his energy to something positive and life changing was
his son becoming successful and his son saying, Dad, huh,

(16:34):
it's not expected. That wasn't the plan. You got a
great piece of light at the end of that dark
tunnel that you didn't expect. That I didn't expect because
I didn't expect to be here. So everything kind of
it works itself out, and you know, and losing my
dad is when you look back and you go, yo,
he was all right right, like mind for reflection, my conversation,

(16:55):
my words when I speak on behalf of my father
so positive and dope because he did good. I'm all right.
I came out okay, Mom, Dad, he did good. Like
how whatever whatever you did to to put whatever recipe
in this pot, the food came out all right. I'm

(17:18):
a good person. I got a good heart. I treat
people with respect. Ultimately, I want the most that I
can possibly get out of life. I love to love.
I'm a good dude. Am I perfect? No? I got
some of them imperfections over there. I got some of
the ones from over here for my man, Dad. Okay,
that's life. Of course I'm gonna figure it out, but

(17:40):
I figure it out without the want or need for problem.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
That's real, man. I mean listening to you said that,
what I appreciate so much is about how you're changing
on perspective again that often we feel to heal what
was broken needs to be fixed. And actually what you've
just said is seeing him try with the grind kids.

(18:10):
That's not even the area that needed fixing or was broken,
but seeing that starts to create some healing.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
That's the best example that I can ask for. Yeah,
because it's not about it's not about us, right Like
me and my ex wife got to a point of realization,
you know, after having a significant amount of ups and downs,
you know, after our the voice, we got to a
point where you realize it's not about us. Like we

(18:39):
did it. We had our opportunity and we're now adults.
How we choose to live as adults, Well that's a
choice that we make. But we're trying to make the
best choices so that they have a better life. So
it's about them. When I see somebody making the efforts
to make life for them better, well then we're on

(19:02):
the same page.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Have the same vision.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
We have the same vision. It's not it's not about
us at this point. It's not about us as a generation.
At this point, it's about us trying our best to
do things to create change, to move ground, shift the
gear so that they have a much better opportunity than
what we did. That's that's the world of the buttime

(19:27):
being passed correctly. And if you understand that you have
that mindset, you approach your day to day differently. And
I do. I do have that mindset, and it's one
thing that I'm very thankful for. And through the things
that should be problems or were supposed to be problems,

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I've never held on to them long enough. And by
the way, just bringing it back for a circle, that's
a monster, that grudge monster. That's a monster that I'm
gonna get you you back. I'm on wait, you just watch.
I'm gonna hold on net and I'm gonna prove to you.
I'm gonna show you or I'm not talking to nobody

(20:09):
over here. That's a monster. So you can feel that
monster or that monster doesn't have to have an existence
in me.

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It's really really interesting hearing that perspective again because one
of my favorite lessons that I've learned is that often
the thing that's holding you back is something you're holding onto.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yes, it's one of my.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Favorite lessons, the idea that something that's holding you back
is you're holding onto it. So, whether it's a grudge
like you're saying the grudge Monster, or a feeling or
an emotion or an idea, that you're not allowing it
to let go when it no longer serves you, and
being able to walk away from that requires real strength
and courage. But one of the things that you said

(24:27):
about you and your partner your ex wife that I
think is really powerful is that when it's just about us,
whoever that may be, you're either looking at each other
or you're looking past each other. And what you just
said is now we're looking in the same direction when
it's the kids. And so that switch. If you think
about any relationship in our life, when we think it's

(24:49):
just about us, when it's not about anyone else, you're
always going to be against each other. But as soon
as there's a higher purpose, or there's a commitment, or
there's a value that's super and understanding and understanding and
understanding that comes with the world of communication and great dialogue.
I can you know, and having this conversation, I can

(25:10):
point to so many examples of how it's so hard
to see the good if.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
You're only seeing the bad. Like there's so many people
that struggle with their version of successes because they're looking
at someone else's. There's so many people that struggle with
their world of relationship because they're judging theirs based off
of someone else's right. And when you're constantly in the
space of not realizing or noticing your world, your reality

(25:41):
because you're living in what appears to be someone else's, well,
your shit is never gonna be right. It's never gonna
be right.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Like if I'm looking at everybody's relationship with their father
and I'm going I want that, Yeah, well, I'm not
embracing the world of good that came from my dad.
I could have went down the road that my dad did.
I could have easily been wrapped into the same world
of you know, drugs, gangs, violence, stick up boys, right,

(26:09):
like the embracing the hood at the highest level. Not
that I don't, because I do, that's where I'm from,
but I could I could have embraced it at a
much higher level and followed in the footsteps of my
father because that's what he did. But I was able
to realize the mistakes he made. I was able to
go I don't want to go down that street because
I see the consequences of it. That's a choice that

(26:30):
I made, right. Some don't make that choice, by the way,
no disrespect that those that haven't. It's to each his own.
You do what you want based off of who you've
seen or what you want to be true to live
your life. Ultimately, we get one live it for you.
Live it to the best, to the best space and

(26:51):
place that you feel you can win at. That's my motto.
I'm not here to tell you right for wrong. I'm
saying identify things differently, and I make decisions based off
of examples that I can look at as not bad,
but ones that if I didn't have, I could have
made that mistake. So without a lesson, that was intentional.

(27:14):
My dad's given me lessons, right, it's not intentional. My
dad never said I went to jail so you didn't
have to. He never said that. But hey, man, seeing
you in jail, Dad, that just made me realize I
don't want to go there, hearing how you talk about it,
hearing how many times you went, But I don't want
to go there. Seeing what drugs did to you and

(27:35):
you talking and telling the stories what you lost, what
you had, Well, I don't want to do that. Okay,
you know, I'm going to embrace my father. I'm going
to embrace this imperfect human being because I'd be damned
if he's not, if he's not positioning me for personal

(27:56):
success in just understanding what I should and shouldn't do.
And it seems so logical, it seems like common sense.
Sometimes it's not that easy. For some it's not that easy.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, And sometimes what I'm hearing is sometimes the greatest
wisdom is unsaid and unintentional, right, Like, sometimes the greatest
wisdom is not what someone said to you. And sometimes
the greatest wisdom is knowing what not to do. I
think we think of it as like knowledge or learning
means someone's telling me what to do, and they told
me the right thing. Sometimes it's looking and saying, well,
I know what not to do now and what I'm

(28:29):
fascinated doing. And I think You're going to give people
a lot of hope listening to you today, because when
you say that you are complacent growing up, and I
consider you today to probably be one of the hardest
working people in entertainment from what I see and observe,
and when I've watched your interviews or listen to you,
you work super hard. You give it, you're all, You're
invested from a mission purpose point of view. But hey,

(28:52):
wait a minute, this person says I was complacent growing up,
and it's never one moment, it's never one thing. So
I don't even want to simplify it with that kind
of a question. And what are the shifts that needed
to take place in order for you to go from
being complacent to being one of the hardest working people
who's committed to something.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
I'm big on, just like logic, right? And there's this
there's this like moment that I had where I just
kept saying why not? Like why right? And Russell Westbrook
is a good friend of mine. I tease him all
the time because the one saying that he has that

(29:30):
I wish I would have had or I wish I
got to first, is why not? Right? And it's so genius.
It's so genius. It's so simple, but yet so profound.
You don't just have to have one job and working
any job, and whether their job is a nine to
five or whether it's you know, half a day, full day,

(29:52):
whatever it is. You don't just have to do one thing.
You can do a lot of different things. But there's
this weird this is mindset that a lot of people
have that you can only do one thing. And when
I realized, I don't have to just do one thing.
I can do a lot of different things. You can

(30:13):
be good at a lot of different things. But you
don't know that you're good at a lot of different
things unless you try a lot of different things. And
when I looked around and I kind of just realized
how the world goes around. It's all based off of creativity.
It's all based off of ideas. It's all based off
of thought provoking then groundbreaking opportunities. But the simplest things

(30:42):
have come from an idea, from your chair to your table,
to your wheel, to your light bulb, to your car,
to your plane, to your helicopter, to the idea of
a hotel, from hotels going to a place, of people
renting out houses and being bes to taxis to then

(31:03):
people driving their own cars, and these all ideas and
the groundbreaking thought that I had and realizing all these
ideas is that these ideas have the potential to touch
the sky if a person believes that they can. If
a person believes that they can, well, your world of

(31:25):
idea changes your reason for getting up, your reason for
putting your feet on the ground every morning. It can
change if you believe that the purpose that you now
have and that you're working towards based off of an idea,
it's something that you can succeed in. I grasped that
understanding and I attached it to everything that I tried

(31:49):
to do. I did not set out to be the actor,
the director, the writer, the producer, the CEO, the chair men,
the advice. I did not set out to do anything.
And I'm gonna make it very clear, I don't have
the educational background for any of these things. What I

(32:09):
had was an idea to try, and after you get
an idea to try, what I had was the patience
to sit and listen, be a sponge, learn figure it
out and figuring it out. There was another side of
not being okay with the incomplete version of figuring out

(32:32):
the thing that I didn't do well. Why did I
go ask all these questions, but I'm not gonna try it.
Now that I know how, all right, let me try it.
The only consequence is failure. By the way, not trying
is failing. I wanna make that very clear. Not trying

(32:53):
is failing. There's a lot of things that people can't
do simply because you've never tried to do it. And
I'm not saying that you should try everything. I'm not
saying that you're supposed to do everything. I'm saying that
for me, when someone says something and I go, now,
I never did that, I have to have a reason

(33:14):
for why I've never done it and a justification. If
you ask me something, I go no, and you just
say why, and I go, that's not good enough for me.
I like to have a reason why. And that's that's
the foundation that I stand on. That's how I built
this mindset, this this level of energy to go ahead,

(33:37):
rhyme and reason within my why why not? It's the
Russ again. I love you to death, my brother. It's
the one that got away from me. And you're a
genius for saying it because it's so simple but yet
so profound. So everything that I'm doing that I'm attempting

(34:01):
to do it is because I started so much and
I'm just trying to finish it. Yeah, And I like
the fact that I'm forty three and I still got
energy behind what it is that I'm trying to do.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, it sounds like it's like where you're going is
not as important as who you're growing into. For that direction,
like the person that you're evolving into, the things you
have to learn, the things you have to be surrounded by.
And I think that's the part that I get excited about.
It's like, yeah, like you said, whether you get there
or whatever there is or not, And it's not just

(34:36):
the journey and the destination because I think that's the
old cliche. But what I'm really hearing from you is
the person you grow into, the people you surround yourself
by in order to reach this big goal that is
so fulfilling, and that pursuit is worthy, right. The pursuit

(34:57):
is the happiness.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
It's everything. Jeff said this before, and you'll hear so
many people say it that come from where I've come
from the bottom, or what's considered to be the bottom.
We are not stereotypically supposed to be in the rooms
that we're in. And when we say that, there's a
level of comfort. Right We're not supposed to be in

(35:19):
these rooms. And it's kind of cliche when you say it.
When you start getting these rooms, you know, oh wow,
why are we not supposed.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
To be the rooms?

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Right? Like, it's so amazing when you get to the
other side, you see the other side and you look
back and you just look at what you've grown from
the conversations that I'm able to have, the knowledge that
I'm able to speak with and the understanding I understand,
not because I'm a trained machine and I spent all

(35:47):
of this time prepping for and you know, this is
this is what the idea of education was all based
off of. No, the idea of discovery enhanced the muscle
that made me want for so much more information in
the space of life that I chose to love so
on entertainment and business. The level of failures that I

(36:12):
have had that I'm still having in some regard the
world of fixing, cleaning up, making better, understanding, growing relationships, building.
There is nothing more intriguing than me than being able
to turn around and look at Kevin at the age

(36:33):
twenty two and then looking at Kevin at the age
forty three, This was not the plan? What are you talking?
Every day is a new day, and every day I
found another thing to be excited about. Every day I
found another goal that I decided to attach to my tree.
And that tree got so many branches on it right now.

(36:53):
And so many people say, you're doing so much, or
why do you do so much? How do you do
so much? What is the what's the end game? What's
the goal? The game is being in the game, right
like it's it's being in the game the foundation that
I'm trying my best to create. I hope and pray

(37:14):
that these four kids that I have, that they look
at it, that they see that they understand. We just
got a shot at something different. We gotta shot at
generational wealth. We got a shot at changing the quote
unquote trajectory within our culture of opportunity. We got a

(37:35):
shot to make this normal. Once again, I'm looking past me,
I'm looking at I'm looking at the bigger piece to
the plan. My kids got a bigger shot at breaking
ground and making this normal because other kids that look
like us, that came from where we come from, and

(37:56):
that grew up how I grew up, will now have
a different level of association for what can be achieved.
If it's based off of what I was able to do,
I'm igniting a different level of thought, a different level
of what, a different level of motivation and inspiration. I'm
inspiring at a different level. Absolutely, when I get there

(38:16):
and at the last second I miss it and I fall,
I got there. I got there, And all that does
is show them that they can get there. They're not
gonna miss.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
And they can go further.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
They can go first. They're not gonna miss. They're equipped
with too much of the weapons. I've equipped you along
the way with so much, so you're prepared for all
this war that's coming up here. You're not gonna miss.
That might miss, that might fall, you're not. I love that,
And the kids coming up from under them, they're not

(38:46):
gonna miss. But you have to have this energy. Yeah,
it's bigger than me.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
What's that one mindset that you're trying to pass on
to that next generation, your kids, the kids that come
off to that. Because it sounds like while you were
honest and saying, look, I didn't know I was going
to be a right director or an entrepreneur, or CEO.
I didn't have these. I didn't have the education, as
you said, but it sounds like you have some. You
have the mindset that's very clear, we know that. But

(39:12):
there's some core skills here that it sounds like you've
invested in very deeply and that you're trying to pass on.
If you could narrow them down to one, two or
three for us, what would you say are the skills
that you're like, this is how I want my kids
to be able to operate in this world, and that's
what they need.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
The best skill that I have developed is the skill
of noticing and understanding that nothing is done by one individual.
No level of success is reached by one person. Right

(39:50):
like the there is a team effort that goes into
the smallest moment of success to the life charges and
the person that wants the rewards and accolades for it
all and that doesn't embrace the world of team and
the foundation that stands underneath whatever that thing is is

(40:14):
a person that won't last long. The thing that I
am most thankful for and the thing that I that
I'm glad that it has just improved over the course
of time, is the world of inclusion. With the wei,
there's no I and I hope that that's what I'm
passing down to my kids is that you know, nothing

(40:38):
is given, everything is earned, and for things to be
earned correctly, you know, you have to surround yourself with
people that you cannot only earn with, but that will
support and embrace along the way. Right, I have an
amazing team. After my team grows to be the stars

(41:00):
of tomorrow, from execs to creatives, to talent to writers, producers, directors,
everybody that's underneath this umbrella of heartbeat. Of heartbeat ventures
of the brands and the brand partnerships and the space
of entertainment and this ecosystem with the media that we've created.

(41:22):
We flourished because they flourish. And knowing that, identifying that
and try my best to support that. That's the thing
that I have had to work on. And when we
talk about Monsters Jay, there was a there was an
eye monster, there was a I need to do it.
I'm gonna make the call. I gotta I'm a boat.

(41:45):
I'm no everybody move, watch y'all. I'm gonna show y'all
how to do it. I'm gonna take the meeting hit.
We're not listening to that we're gonna do it my way.
There was this heavy thing of me, I I I
not the way, Kevin, get out the way and let
other people be great. They're only going to make this

(42:06):
thing greater. You're prohibiting that by trying to stand in
a moment of great so that people can look and
point at you. Let other people do the thing that
they were brought here to do, and while they do it,
align yourself with them, embrace them, support them, and as
they grow, we grow. That's the thing that I flourish

(42:29):
in the most, which is why the first thing that
I asked you think about it. The first thing that
I asked you when we're here was setting up. I said,
how long have you guys been together? That's just me
asking because I want to see what the world of
your team is. And when you say what you say, well,
there's no coincidence that the level of success comes with
relationships that's evolved from day to said date. It comes

(42:52):
with an understanding that comes with a level of community.
More importantly, a want for successful We have it together
because we're embracing the world, not just one.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I love that you went there, man, like that there
could have been so many ways to answer that question,
and the fact that you brought it back to being
bigger than you. I mean that mindset, I mean that
mindset is everything, but it's so easily missed because we
grow up in a doggy dog society. We grow up
in a U versus me. I feel like when I

(43:22):
speak to people in the entertainment industry as well, for years,
especially if you were a minority or a person of color,
you were put against the only other person of color,
and so it's like they can be only one person
of color comedian, they can only be one person of
color actor, right Like it's all divided.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
And so talked about this. It's you know, Dave, Chris, myself,
we're very close.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, and I love seeing that. That makes me happy.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
The reason why we're so close is because you know,
there is no competition. We're not We're not competing with
one another. And you know, we all have different level
of success. That makes sense for us, right Like one
success has nothing to do with the other. And the support,

(44:11):
the love that we give each other that we embrace
each other with, it's all done with the understanding that
we can all exist at the same time. And the
conversation of there can only be one is one that
we've created as a culture. Like you know, we really
do pit our own against our own right. We really

(44:32):
have done it throughout the time. And by the way,
there's nothing wrong with competition. There's nothing wrong with wanting
to be the best. There's nothing wrong with that conversation.
But it's a conversation that can be had and should
be had without the malicious intent behind it, right because ultimately,

(44:52):
success and success and that's what you're that's what you're
in the game for, to have some type of level
of success that checks the box for you. And you know,
once again, if you get to looking across the street
and you're looking at what the others are doing over there,
or you're missing what you've done over here, and I
just it's something that I think, over the course of

(45:14):
time has developed. It didn't start off like this. I
definitely was once again and being transparent. I was a
young comic that was like, man, when am I gonna
get my turn? I'm funny, I'm funnier than I need it.
I don't understand. Oh my god, nobody wants like you

(45:35):
do go through that, and rightfully so there's frustration in
not knowing or not understanding why my opportunity hasn't or isn't.
There's frustration in that, but there's also a sense of
calm that comes in confidence of knowing that you're putting
the work in for a reason and that it will

(45:55):
pay off. And I had to make that change. I
had to make the change of saying, I'm doing the work.
Am I showing up every day? And am I prepared?
And if this opportunity does come, am I ready for it?
Because there's nothing worse than it comes. And I don't
have a set. I don't have a tight five minutes.
I don't have a tight ten. I didn't have a
twenty five minute set. Oh my god. They wanted to

(46:16):
clean material. I didn't have no clean material. There's nothing
worse than not being ready.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
So you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do
the work and make sure I'm ready. Let me go
take these acting classes. Before I even got an acting role.
I'm sitting in damn acting classes. I'm spending a little
bit of money I got doing one on one sessions
that I wasn't comfortable being in the class. I had
to get this pace of comfort. I don't have any roles,
I didn't have any auditions yet. I'm doing the work

(46:45):
so that when I get there, I don't have to
go backwards and do it.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah. I love that mindset. I think that is so underrated.
Are you even ready? If the opportunity came knocking? Are
you even ready? And two things that I took away
from that. The first was something you said about you
Chris and Dave, which and I love hearing about that friendship.
It's so beautiful to hear about that. I read something
from Bob Igo where he was talking about how at

(47:09):
one point Spielberg, George Lucas and I think it was
Tarantino they would show each other their movies before it
went anywhere. So they'd sit in this tiny little theater
or whatever. They'd show each other their movies, give each
other feedback, and then did all launch their movies. And
of course all of those people are you know, I

(47:29):
mean icons. And it's unbelievable because you think they were
so confident in who they were and what their style was.
I mean, a Spielberg movie doesn't look like Lucas movie,
and a Lucas movie doesn't look like a Tarantino movie.
They were so confident in who they were and what
they brought to the table that they could even show
their best work.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I trust your level of understanding, opinion, and story and
the highest regard that even though we don't share the
same love for genre material whatever you want to call it,
right like whether it's sci fi to drama to action

(48:09):
like these are all, like you said, different people, but
you know story, you know character. I trust that you'll
be able to watch my project, tell me if my
characters are easy to track, and if you care, and
if you don't care. I also trusted you'll be able
to tell me why you felt you didn't. I also
feel that in the space of solution, you're not gonna
throw things at me that are not doable. You're gonna

(48:31):
know the context of what I have that I'm working with,
what's left on the cutting room floor, what I can
possibly do to do reshoots. Everything that you're gonna tell
me is within regards of having my best interests. That's confidence.
That's also a strong relationship and a friendship that along
the journey of success. As we've all gotten to the
top of this mountain, we understand that your stance on

(48:52):
your mountain has nothing to do with mine. Dave Schappel
has made me and Chris Rock feel stupid at times
when it comes to our choice and material. We have
watched Dave in our earlier stages of just working on
our set, and we would spend time at the seller
and one would come and we would all go and

(49:13):
Dave would go up, and me and Chris are just
went up and we're happy about our material. We're giving
each other notes we watched Dave. There's been times we
have looked at each other and we balled our papers
up and said, we got to start over. We got
to start over. Not because of jealousy or envy, No,
because we challenge each other and we spark and amp
the world of like we want the best, but not

(49:36):
only each other, but for ourselves. And you inspire me
and you encourage me, and I love the reporter we
have because we do exactly the same thing. Y'all think
my hours ready? I want you to come see me,
Christen what you think? Kevin like it, but I still
think you can. keV come see me. I'm doing an
hour and forty right now, hour and forty, Yeah, tell

(49:57):
me what you think. I'm probably gonna trim twenty out
of it. It is all right, I'm coming. David's up,
come to Ohio. You don't like what I'm working on,
I want your eyes all right like this. That's a
strong relationship and it's one that I embrace and I
celebrated often. Man, I celebrated often. I think it's very
important for people to see other entertainers at this level

(50:21):
just simply celebrate each other's success. I love it, whether
it's rappers, singers, actors, actresses, comedians, writers, directors, whoever. I
love to see a room where people are in it
and they're celebrating one another. We're all a part of
a fraternity, and you know, if we treated right, that

(50:42):
fraternity will have an amazing stance forever. Yeah, right, Like
you don't want to attach bad stories to it if
we don't have to.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
And I think that's the most inspiring thing for the kids,
because when I think about younger generations, if you grew
up watching your favorite people and you knew they were
all friends, how does that change the game now? Because
if you're seeing your favorite people fight each other and
battle it out for the crown, what are you going
to do with the person sitting right next to you
at school. And I think that's I saw that so

(51:10):
much growing up, where I've always wanted to connect with
people regardless of what we do in this space. But
you saw so many people who are coming at it
from the perspective of let's see who does better, let's
see who does more. And again, I love what you said.
Competition is not a bad thing. Let's not give it
a bad name. But the idea that we've got to
be able to hold two truths. We can compete and

(51:32):
still be friends.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Still be friends, And I think people friends, Yeah, you
have to choose, but you still be friends. You know,
there was a time where the USA men's swim team,
the Olympic team, this team was just so elite. And
this is in Phelps is like Phelps was Phelps a
human fish, right, But when you look at a lot

(51:55):
and you look at the other men that were competing
on that team, and he looked at the world of
petition between them themselves, those practices were more than just practices.
The world of training before the Olympics and the battles
that took place in those pools where they got ready
and they were by each other's side every single day.

(52:17):
When I tell you that Atmosphair is one that nobody
else can understand except the ones that are competing to
be great. By the way, at the end of every
practice they would get out and shake each other's hands
without me being here. I'm willing to bet and say,
Gil when you push me today, you kick my ass today. Hey, tomorrow, man,
I'm gonna see if I can lower my time. I'm
not happy with my two hundred. I'll go. I'll do

(52:39):
it with you. I'll push you. Hey, my backstroke is whatever. Hey,
you know what today on those fifties we did the reption,
seemed like you got stronger along the way. Well, I
saw you next to me. That motivation, that motivation that
you're pulling from being alongside of somebody that's quote unquote
the best or the quote unquote greatest. You're using that
as fuel. That's not bad. But not in one interview

(53:03):
that you ever see them have any type of report
that looked as if there was animosity or anger towards
one success. The happiest people for Michael Felps with the
people on his team. The happiest people were the people
that got the silver that were on his team. That
to me, that's the mold and the making of real champions, right,

(53:25):
that's the mold in the making. Like if you're in
it and you have said, this is what I'm destined
to do, and I'm gonna give my all, and every
day I show up with one hundred percent, regardless of
the outcome, I'm showing up with one hundred percent. That
day gonna come. Whenever it comes, I'm gonna be ready,
it's gonna come. I'm gonna get my just doing my fulfilling,

(53:48):
my fulfilling need and energy and want for knowing that
I have just delivered for myself. That's what I can
pee with. That's why I look at them here. Sometimes
I let myself down because the things that I'm trying
to do I should know I can't redo. Sometimes I'm
chasing the thing that can't be redone again. Sometimes the

(54:11):
lightning in the bottle strikes once, You're not gonna get
that again. So there's times when I'm so hard on
myself that I missed the moments of success that I
should realize that I'm having because I'm chasing this thing.
There's a time where I was doing two shows and
arenas a night four shows in the city and arenas
as a comedian. Go back on tour the next one,

(54:34):
I only do two shows. Oh my god, I'm falling off.
What's happening? No, sold out six seven shows of Matterson
Square girlm what. I feel bad because I didn't do
it again. That ain't gonna happen again. That was lightning
in the bottle. You gotta get to a place of
understanding and realization. But once again, it's the monsters, man, Yea,

(54:55):
the monsters.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah. You talk about this in the audiobook and I
loved it. It was all about the addiction number one. Yes,
it's this idea and you love this. There was a
study that I saw that said, because you brought up
the Olympics, it's about my brain. There's a study that
I saw that said people who win bronze are happier
than people who win silver because the people who came

(55:17):
second were this close to first.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Oh my god. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
But the person who came third, they were happy. They
were like, we weren't gonna get first, but we got in.
We got on the podium, and it's that podium syndrome
of at least we got on. But the second the
person in silver, they are mad at themselves. Yeah, because
they didn't get number one.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
And so that addiction to number one is so strong.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
It's a bigger addiction when there's multiple versions. I'm guilty
of the multiple Like, Okay, I need it. Got a
movie coming out, movie going to the box, I need it.
I need number one. I don't get number one. I'm like,
I failed flop. I don't get them one with a flop.
It's a flop. I gotta get them one. It's one
or a flop flop. There's no one between. It's one

(55:59):
on flop like always got numb one, it's got to
be number one. What happens is you're so you're so
unrealistic in expectations that you're missing real success. Now I've
been fortunate and blessed enough to have a ton of them,
but I got to a place where the wind was

(56:21):
attached to the project. The wind was attached to me
finishing a movie and being happy about the movie that
I did. Union workers are happy, and a director coming
out with the finished piece of the product going you're
gonna like this, and we see it and we actually
like it, And then we screen it for fans, and

(56:42):
fans go, we loved that's the wine, that's the win.
This other thing and I'm trying to control, Kesh. Stop,
you can't control that. And if you keep on going
in the direction that you're going in, if and when
that thing changes, you're going to be so hurt that
the world of recovery might not be easy for you.

(57:04):
Your logic and what you're now deeming as like reality
for you, it's not reality if you don't grasp the
real concept of what it should be. Now. It doesn't
mean that you're saying that you are ready to fail.
It's saying be prepared for the world of real to
present itself at any point in time. Don't get caught

(57:26):
up in the world of fake and me acting is
if I control these numbers, is if I can navigate
and direct and make it happen when and how I want.
All the time, I'm setting myself up, so you know
what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna check myself now, let
me balance it out. Now, what are you doing? I

(57:46):
love what I do, all right, well, then let's be
happy in what we do. I talked to David Lettiman
on my comedy podcast, Right Comedy God Minds, and Letterman
said he was so dark at one point because all
he did was show up and he looked at the
numbers between him and the other.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Shows every day.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Every day, he said, every day I got there and
I looked at it and I would my team, you
were not working hard enough, and I was so hard,
he said, I'm so hard on people. And when you
hear him talk love David by the way, I don't
know the letterment of old that some people ran into.
I know the letterment of now. And he's so transparent
the information and how he talks and what he's overcome.

(58:29):
His stories were just it was so good to hear
because when you hear people that are openly telling you
you can't do this, you can't operate like this, because
it eats away at you, it eats away. It made
me realize I did go through a piece of that.
I just was able to catch mine early.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
And in the worry of like we might fail, we
risk being open to being broken, right, Like that's the risk,
Like you don't want to go down, but you don't
realize that if you I'm not prepared for that down.
The down is gonna be far us.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
It's gonna be far worse man. We have had a
live example of a lot of those downs. Right, like
in real time, we're watching I called The Truman Show
and for everybody listening to your podcast if you're not
familiar with The Truman Show is a Jim Carrey movie,
but basically, you know people's lives, it's the movie right

(59:26):
we're watching We're watching real live movies every single day,
and you're watching people make mistakes, recover from mistakes, not
recover from mistakes, make rights instead of lefts, lefts instead
of rights, and seeing that we choose to ignore it
as if it's not real life. Yeah, we choose to
ignore it.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
It feels like it's TV.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
And the biggest drug, the biggest drug. It's not cocaine,
it's not heroin, it's not molly or opioids. And the
biggest drug it's fame.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
And now it's more accessible in different doses.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
It's the biggest drug. And the reason why it's the
biggest drug because it's a drug that makes you feel
like you are powerful and like everywhere you go, anything
you want, everything you want. It's it's a thing. And
if you can't handle this thing. The consequence is attached

(01:00:24):
to when that thing is removed. Are severe. Nobody prepares
you for the world of fame. There is no handbook,
there is no outline, there is no guide by guide
step one to step ten. There's nothing. You get it,
and yesterday you weren't, and today you are and tomorrow

(01:00:49):
or not, No, we're done. People get shell shocked. That
to me has always been the point of no return.
At the end of this can wear off if and when,
however sees or decides and if that were to happen, well,

(01:01:09):
what am I? Where am I? It's all going on.
It's all good with back too. Are you happy with
who you are and what you did? Are you at
a point where you are okay? Do you know you?
And are you okay with you? If you are not,
it'll break you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Your energy is incredible and just the depth. What I
love about this and this was my vision with the show,
and you are helping me achieve that, which I'm very
grateful for, is I don't think and I love that
you've been doing this more and more with the audible
with heart to heart, like we're getting to see your depth,
We're getting to see the mind behind you again, As
we said earlier, we like to limit people. We like

(01:01:49):
to limit people into like you just be a comedian,
or you just be a race car driver, or you
just be an actor. And it's like we're starting to
realize that, like you said, you're not just watching someone's
life on TV, there's a human here's there's a story here,
and we're getting that with you. Do you think it
was was this something? Was this an epiphany that you
had before the accident, or was it that this really

(01:02:12):
because in your audible when you talk about like how
when it's just silent you figure out what really matters?
Like when I heard that, I was just thinking, like
all near death experiences, you were told when you came
out of it you should be dead, and you're like, well,
I don't remember anything. Does that feel like that was
a moment that there is a massive awakening or were

(01:02:32):
you already kind of working with some of this? No.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I I was always a transparent and authoric person. But
you definitely change, that's what you. You definitely change, and
by the way, still changing. I'm not sitting in front
of you, yes, as a meating, flawed man. I am
my dad's child. And my mother's child as well. There's
nothing more humbling than a quiet room. There's nothing more

(01:02:59):
humbling then the realization of what is really necessary, what
you take for granted, and what we don't think twice
about is not until that's compromise that the true appreciation
for life, I feel like, and sometimes we had. I

(01:03:21):
don't want to speak for everybody, because I think there
are some people that truly do get it, and that
truly do think whatever their space or version of a
higher power is daily for life and for what they do.
You know, I believe in God, so I'm not as
spiritual as some may be, but I'm very thankful for

(01:03:42):
the life that God has allowed me to live and
the opportunities that I've been able to embark upon. But
I got a lot more appreciation after life was almost gone, right,
Like you appreciate your toes, you really appreciate your fingers,

(01:04:03):
Like do you really think about your movement, your joints, vision, smell?
Do you really think about how fortunate and lucky you are?
It's the only time where I get a little where
I slow up, right, And when when I'm slowing up
is because the reality of that was significant. I really

(01:04:27):
almost died my kids and all that. Like, what as
I'm moving so fast, I didn't even have everything dialed
up for if said things were to happen. Oh, because
I'm out here, I'm just Roman. I'm out here aimlessly living,
and I'm moving so fast. I've yet to grasp the

(01:04:47):
true concept and reality of responsibility. Immediately. Let me get
my responsibilities in order, because if that had have been,
it would have been a lot of people with their
hands up as to what how when fame is great,
the lights are great? Heart Kevin Hart, Kevin Hart, and
one of one of one God was in that room.

(01:05:11):
My goddamn wife, my brother, my kids. You look around.
You got a lot of friends, You got a lot
of people to love you. But then you start, well
what really matters. That's when my mindset started to change.
That's when you go, Okay, my approach to just me
and working on me, it needs to be different. I've

(01:05:35):
contradicted myself a lot since you know, I want to
slow down. I'm to make sure I get my family
more time I have. That doesn't mean that there can't
be more. The day to day battle of am I
giving enough? Am I? Guys? You know how much Dad
loves you. I'm here, I'm like you know, always working
to make sure to do more. But is it enough?
My workaholic? Okay, but that's not a bad thing because

(01:05:58):
you love the work. Yes, you do. That's passion you get.
You got something that you go after every day. That
is a driving source for me. I'm not in the
business of letting that go. But or you better put
your hands on these people and make sure. You better
make sure that you are giving the time that you
said you would when you were in that time of solace. Okay,

(01:06:19):
all right, I'm constantly talking to myself. I had these
conversations all the time. That's the beauty of taking my
little runs, the beauty of working out, being in the gym.
You talk to yourself. You better talk to yourself. You
better have conversations, figure out a ying and yang of
good and bad. For me, it was about personal evolvement

(01:06:41):
after that accident and still trying. Man, it's the biggest battle.
It's the big The biggest battle is just doing right
all the time. That's a battle.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
And knowing you're gonna get it wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
That's a battle. Man. When I go to a restaurant
and they bring out a plate the way, just say
it all the time. Don't touch that plate to play hot.
You know what I do, Jay, You know what I
say after I touch it. It wasn't it hot. They
told me not to touch the plate. He said it's hot,

(01:07:14):
But I still gotta I still gotta go and touch
the plate anyway. It's a battle. So being okay with
understanding that I'm going to lose and win in this battle,
and this battle is not over until the day I'm
in the ground. Because you're not gonna get it right.

(01:07:34):
You're not gonna get it right. And there's people with
this idea and his mindset of mentality. They're gonna get
right and everything's gonna be perfect. It's not. Don't play
that perfect game because all you will do is get
let down because perfection does not exist. I do firmly
stand on that and believe that it doesn't exist. Man,

(01:07:56):
you should try your hardest to get things right. In
moments where you got them wrong, figure out how to
never get them wrong again. That's the world of compromise,
that's the world of growth, that's the world of evolvement.
I mean, I got a teenage daughter, nobody prepared me
for the world of you know, like you're talking about,

(01:08:18):
got to get it right. Are we talking enough? Am
I loving enough? Am my present? Am I listening? Am
I just delegating? Am my parenting? Am I your friend?
And there's so much teenage son, little ones, I mean,
my wife. It's a constant battle of energy and as
a guy who is an output, right, and I don't

(01:08:44):
complain about that output, but those that I'm taking in
from I just gotta I gotta make sure that I'm
receiving that and that I'm not I'm not hallassing or
moving too fast. I'm not making the most of those moments.
And that's this level of consciousness I did not have

(01:09:05):
before the accident. I was, I was one thousand miles
per hour, and not that I'm not still moving fast,
but I look at my peripheral I'm looking at my
rearview mirrors, slowing down, I'm stopping, I'm sleeping, you know
what I mean, Like I'm there is a difference. I

(01:09:27):
know there's a difference, but it's still a battle. Still
a battle. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
I love that you describe it like a battle, because
what you just described is exactly the practice we have
to have every day, which is you have to revisit
how do I get it right today? There isn't a
day where now you just get it right. From now
to the end of time. It's revisiting that every day,
saying I'm recommitting to this, I'm going to be a

(01:09:54):
good dad today. Right. You don't get to make a
decision to be a good dad in ten years. You
got to do today and then you do tomorrow. And
I think that what's really interesting. The reason why I
asked that question too, was because I think memory is
such an interesting thing. Sometimes when something big happens to us,
we feel the shift that this is going to change

(01:10:15):
how I think, and then all of a sudden, when
things go back to normality, it can sometimes feel as
if it never happened. But it sounds like for you, you've
really used it as an anchor. Well, yeah, you've used it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Even when you say, like you said, like I'm going
to be a good dad today, right, you can only
try your best.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Try your best, yeah, to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Ultimately, just because you say you're a good dad, don't
make you a good dad, No, of course not. Just
as you say you're a good boss, don't make you
a good boss. I can say it every day, I
can think I'm doing it, but if on the opposite side,
if I'm viewed differently, well that will be because I'm
doing something wrong and I'm not aware. What I now
do is make sure that I'm looking at things through

(01:10:56):
both lenses, not on one side of POV. It's not
it's not just my perception of what I'm doing and
how everybody else should see it. And doing that. The
way that I try my best to back up the
hope of me being perceived is that it is by
putting the true work in to be there, making sure

(01:11:18):
that I'm really engaged with the other people, making sure
that there's a rapport, that there's energy, and you know,
the wife and kids, the same thing, making sure that
there's a rapport, that there's you know, I'm asking the
questions and I'm getting the answers, but I'm I'm asking
for things so I can get the proper feedback, so
that if I do need to adjust, or if I
do need to fix, at least I'm aware. Operating with

(01:11:42):
the assumption that you are or that you're doing it
can be a crutch like it can be It can
be a bad thing if I'm operating with the assumption,
because one day you'll wake up and they'll go. You know,
I never liked when or where acted as a problem
for me for all these was when you and then
you just go, I never knew you never say nothing. Yeah,

(01:12:04):
And sometimes people don't want to say anything. Sometimes people
don't know how to say anything. So the world of dialogue,
communication and just openness is what I think I've gotten
better at over the time. But once again, what it's
a it's a constant space of improvement. Yeah, you're constantly
trying to improve.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Yeah, and that's and that's that is the only way
it can be. There is no other alternative. And there's
a beautiful conversation between the Buddha and a student that
I love, and the student approaches the Buddha and says,
what's the difference between I like you and I love you?
And the Buddha says, when you like a flower, you
simply pluck it, But when you love a flower, you

(01:12:47):
water it every day. And I'm like that to me,
is what you're describing that when I love my kids,
I have to be trying every day to understand from
their point of view, the flower is gonna show you
whether you're watering or not, it's gonna die. It's gonna
will is not bloom or whatever it may be. And
I feel like you've got to be so in tune
with yourself and someone else in order to sense that.

(01:13:08):
But I know what you're saying is so true, and
I really do recommend this to anyone who's a big
fan of Kevin's as I am, please do go listen
to the audiobook, because monsters and how to Tame Them?
I mean, I have never heard someone be as open
and transparent as you are in it. And you're so
open about all your flaws. And there's one thing that

(01:13:28):
you say here that again just I was like, I
have to talk to you about this because it was
just it stuck with me. And you talk about it
and you say, you know, and you're just talking about
the fame, and that's that's what the idea came for.
You're just talking about how fame makes you feel invincible.
And then when you talk about getting caught cheating, and
you're like, I was in that frame of mind where
I was like, it can't happen to me, right, It's

(01:13:51):
not possible, And then you open up about it so raw,
and in my head I'm thinking, what is it about
the monster that gets you to do things even that
are against your own values? Right, like the months to
get so strong that you go as far as that
and when you get caught, you go that was an awakening,
but it still doesn't wake you up fully. Right, there's

(01:14:13):
there's there's a limitation to walk us through that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Well. I mean, look, you're talking about fame, you're talking
about power, right, and that idea of invincible Once again,
this is a this is a thing that a very
small percentage of people are going to be able to
experience or understand right. And it's very easy from the
outside looking in to go or how or I don't

(01:14:39):
believe or how can right? But from the other side,
not that it's right. First of all, wrong is wrong.
You're never gonna hear me try to justify or excuse.
Wrong is wrong. But in being wrong sometimes comes with
world of situation, the world of opportunity. Right, if you

(01:15:03):
constantly around bad apples and you're hungry and people keep saying,
don't eat these apples, some people are gonna be able
to hold off. You have some people that are gonna
pick up that apple and bite it. It's not right.
It's not something that's justifiable to some what's the worst
is gonna happen. I'm gonna eat it and then what

(01:15:24):
I'll probably be sick for a second and I'll throw
up it. Then I'll be fine. Well, that apple kills you,
but your way of looking at it in that moment,
I'll be fine. The idea that comes with that level
of success and that comes with opportunity based on situation,
is one that you look at is I'll be fine
as easy as nothing with it. It's not to your

(01:15:47):
hands in the pot and you get burned or cord
or whatever. You know that you gotta sit down and
then you gotta think about it. You got to you
gotta look at it, and then you realize the layers
that are attached to it. And that's when the life
changing side of thought happens. Right, and then it becomes
about you and how you look at yourself. How do
you view yourself and what do you expect from yourself? Right,

(01:16:09):
it's bigger than just the partner of course that you
want to respect. It's also about you and how you
want to be viewed at that point, Like, what's important.
Where are you at? Where are you at? With you
and that mirror. You get to look into that mirror.

(01:16:29):
You know if you are right, but what you're looking
at and you're fine, flawed and all in all right.
Getting older to put you in a position to where
you just start to look at yourself and you're talking
about the complete finished product that is and will be you.
Those are the moments that you just got to do
your best to not only overcome, but just get by.

(01:16:51):
And you know, once again, it's a battle, right marriage, love.
You got to learn it, and at a young age,
when you're embedded into it, you're not going to get
it right. You gotta learn it. It's unfortunate how the
lessons come from whichever side however it happens. But when

(01:17:13):
learned or when taking as serious as it can be,
of course you reap the benefits and you see how
amazing it is. But you know, I wasn't that smart,
and I'm not going to act as if I was.
And that's from my first marriage to that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
It's is it hard to forgiving yourself or is it
hard to asking for forgiveness?

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
I think it's I could be hard on myself. I
can stand in the fire having another person do it.
That's where it gets tough, right, Like you throw rocks
at me all day when the other person is in there.
I think that's that's a different level. And the mistakes
that I've made in my life, the biggest side of

(01:17:59):
kind consequence has always been the effect that it's had
on others. I'll figure it out and do my best
to evolve and grow and however that has to happen
with me. But I can't dictate how you would receive
and how you would handle or how you would do. So,

(01:18:22):
you know, watching other people hurt, that's never good. I
think that would be ever the toughest side of it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Yeah, right, that's a really thoughtful Lonso man. Yeah, I
feel like that's that genuine compassionate heart saying I know
I can figure my way out, or why would I
put someone in that situation where they have to figure
it out for themselves. It was someone was reading me
a quote the other day and it was like saying,
how it was Nietzsche who was saying I wish pain

(01:18:48):
and suffering on anyone because that's what helps them grow.
And I was like, hold off, Yeah, I was like
I would not wish Jesus. I was like, yeah, there
was someone ready out to me and I was like,
I was like, I can't subscribe to that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
That a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
It was a lot. I was like, you can't wish
pain and suffering under anyone, because even though we know
you grow through tough things, and you've grown through so
many tough things that were not your choice and then
some things that were your choice, but we shouldn't expect
that other people can navigate those situations.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
It's good when you say, like, you know the choices
that you make. Right And because of our times today,
the world of what one does or has done is
amplified because we're in a position where everybody can have
an opinion and there's a space to voice said opinion. Right,

(01:19:45):
I'm gonna dumb it down and I'm going to go
to the lowest level right now, when people do some
of the dumbest mistakes from crime, theft, deadly, cheating, all
of the go all around. Who has vetted out the consequences.

(01:20:09):
Nobody has sat and vetted out the consequences. Right. Everybody
has robbed the bank as a tip to rob a
bank because they found it to be a very easy thing,
and I'm going here twelve o'clock. That man going break,

(01:20:29):
he going break. I'm gonna go in there and while
he don't break, I'm gonna get the money, and then
we're gonna come out. All we gotta do is get
back before he get back from lunch, and we we
we got it. And they go in rob the bank.
The alarms go off, inc blow up on the money.
They don't know nothing, they don't know. They get locked

(01:20:49):
up and they say something crazy like, yo, I ain't
want I ain't mean to do this, and the world
goes what you man ain't mean to do it? You
rob the bank? No, some people are Some thoughts are
that simplistic. Some actions are just that stupid and they're

(01:21:09):
not thought out. But everything is not that deep. Everything
to not have that many layers to the mistake. When
the mistake happened, I'm grounded in the world of reality.
Everything that I have done in my mind, I attached
a piece of logic and made it made sense to me.

(01:21:32):
You can make anything make sense to you if you
want it to. And sometimes it's not until consequences present
themselves that you realize the idiotic way to thinking or
the idiotic approach to what you feel you can do
the bigger than the world like mentality, humbling is something

(01:21:52):
that has to happen. You can either welcome it or not,
or we're all privy to it. Minds is count and
and different doses, shapes and sizes. Man, But I just
don't I don't want to say I don't like I
think the thing that like. It Just you have to
shake your head. It's not even worth the battle and conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
It's simple, Yeah it's not. Yeah, it's not deeply thought through.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Just not deeply thought through. I was watching Biden and
there's a clip of Biden. But Biden says, and this
is I probably watched this clip. I'm not into politics
at all. But Biden goes, I got something important I
want to say in the whole world needs to hear it.
I need everybody to listen right now. And he takes

(01:22:39):
a beat, he goes, I forget it for president of
the United States. Nobody Biden didn't mean to do that.
Bida didn't go up there and say I'm gonna set
up for the best joke, and in the middle of

(01:22:59):
it goes I say it to say it was it's
something later that he went and watched. God, I'm sorry,
he apologized. I'm sorry. I know, I know, I know. Guys,
I don't know. I'm sorry. Like he didn't mean it,

(01:23:22):
he didn't plan it. I hope I hope my way
of making my point makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
It makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
I hope I hope that I'm articulating you are correctly.
I'm saying that there's no excuses there. There should never
be any excuses. Wrong is wrong, problems are forever. I'm
saying that I don't like it when people tell you
how you thought about something and you go, wasn't necessary.

(01:23:52):
I didn't even it wasn't that. Nope, I just I
kind of just I just walked down there. I didn't
even know that there was Yeah, do you think you
just walked? Did you get out the bed? Did you
put on those boots on purpose? Nope? I just there's
actually no, I didn't. That's not what I did. It's like,

(01:24:15):
I don't like that. Yeah, some thoughts are not that
deep in that layer.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Yeah, that's that's the difference I've found between being critical
and being a critical thinker. Everyone's critical today where it's
just we try and find the flow and what you're
encouraging through this book, through your work, and what we're
encouraging here on this platform is critical thinking. Let's be
open to the fact it could be really basic, it
could be really deep, it could be somewhere in between,

(01:24:41):
and most likely you have no idea because you're not
that person. Right, You didn't do that, You didn't have
to live through that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
It's a very slippery slope to go down when you
talk about it, because, like I said, you're in a
time everybody knows everything. Everybody's the smartest person in the
room today. Yeah, that's a that's an amazing thing to me.
Like everybody's right all the time. You're telling me nobody's
wrong today, everybody, do you understand we're in a time

(01:25:07):
where everybody's right, everybody knows everything, everybody is the smartest
person in the world. I call them the best coaches
that have never won a championship. People don't think about
that enough. I mean, it's something that we're eventually going
to have to get out of. The world of anxiety

(01:25:28):
and mental health is at the highest level just that
it's ever been. It's on the front page. I wasn't
aware of mental health at the at the level that
it is pre pandemic. I had no idea that existed
at the level and that so many people suffered. I
had no idea about the battles of real depression or

(01:25:52):
real day to day I had no idea. But with
that time did it put it on the forefront, and
you get to see how people are truly battling, battling
on a day to day based off of perception, doubt,
and how they feel based off of what I think.
You think like, that's a scary thing. It's a scary thing,

(01:26:16):
and you know, I can only be transparent and authentic
and hopes that people will find it is what it is. Man,
be you unapologetically and as you are correcting or fixing
or evolving in you understanding, you got a dope thing

(01:26:37):
to look back at. And that's the old you versus
the new attempt in who you are trying to be.
That to me is beautiful. Every piece of art that
I look at that I love, that I embraced. There's
nothing better than looking at it from the start. What
did it start out as every house that gets built?
What did it start out as every car that gets built?

(01:26:58):
What did it start out as clothes that we wear.
What was the design in the beginning? Everything has stages
of growth. Why in today's time are we forgetting that?
Why are we forgetting that and expecting an immediate space
of perfection. I didn't know the babies come out the
womb and know it all off the back. I thought

(01:27:19):
they have to be taught the way that we're talking today.
That's tough. It's tough. So I tried my best to
remove myself from as much as I can. I tried
myself to act as a aid for laughter, happiness, joy,
and I can only hope that the conversation attached to

(01:27:41):
my name would be one of good. I can't control it.
If it is great, man, If it isn't, I tried.
That's where I'm at. Yeah, that's where my mind sett
as today. Jay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Well, when I listened to your audiobook, which I felt
was a very intimate take on you as a human,
not as an entertainer, I can honestly say that I
walked away from it saying to my friends and people
that I speak to, going, you know what, Kevin didn't
have to do that. That's how I felt when I
listened to I was like Kevin didn't have to do that,
Like he's successful, he's winning, he's great at what he does.

(01:28:17):
He didn't have to create anything to talk about his
flaws like you just didn't have to do that. And
to me, that's why I respect and admire you, because
when I heard that, I was like, well, if he's
happy to go there and he's happy to talk about
how these monsters never die and he's happy to talk
about how he's still dealing with them. I find it

(01:28:38):
to be some of your most meaningful work, at least
in the work I do, of course, And I don't
want to feed your approval months to read them, but
you know, like I really feel that way, Like I
really feel that way.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
There's a place that you get to in life right
when you start to you started like what did I do?

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
And what did I do?

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Like what's And it doesn't mean like you healed the
world or you you know, change world created this year
like this, I'm not I'm not saying it for those answers,
but for you, like the questions like what do I do?
And I'm at a place where okay, outside of the
success and the famers, like what am I? What do
I want? What am I doing right? And the information

(01:29:17):
that I now have the opportunity to give, like the information,
if nothing else, the information. If you really want to
have impact, you want to try to position yourself to
help create the opportunities for change. Financial literacy in the
black community, not understanding banking, haven't known it. My alignment

(01:29:39):
would Chase and and and JP Morgan. My but my
why that there's a why attached to it? Okay, I'm, I'm.
This is a reason I got. I got something bigger
than my famous success. Okay, this is a passion and
something that we're trying to correct. Okay. In the space
of inspiration motivation, there's a passion attached to me trying

(01:30:04):
to simply inspire and motivate those that just simply aren't
getting motivating messages on a day to day because some
households just don't do it. Some may not have the
households that do it. I didn't grow up in a
mom and dad, the dinner every night, the family prayer
at the table. I didn't have that. That's not my life.

(01:30:26):
There's other people that do have it. There's some people
that just them in their mom, them in their dad.
Some people don't have anybody, whatever that thing is, you
don't know who's pulling from what to try to get
to wear like we have no idea. So if I
can now act as a aid, that is giving you

(01:30:47):
nothing but verbal warfare attached to truth and authenticity. If
I'm giving you and adults and gems that are attached
to a real life concept like this isn't it's not
made up. I'm giving you simple information based off of
me and my battles. I just told you there's no

(01:31:08):
handbook for fame yet, and still I'm giving you, in
some way, shape or form, something that can be camouflaged
as an example of how I had to handle a
just deal. I have an opportunity to have an on
season and off season. My on season is movies, maybe
a stand up comedy tour maybe not. My off season.

(01:31:31):
I can go and I can I can be a
speaker at I can talk to companies about I can
go to said conventions and give X, Y and Z
that's used to simply amplify, motivating and spot whatever those
things are. Once again, I'm creating another door attached to

(01:31:53):
a piece of passion that I discovered. I discovered this.
I didn't set out to do it. I discovered it
and those that I see doing it. You know when
Will right now, Will Smith, good friend of mine. You know,
Will's book had a tremendous amount of success. Will sold
a million books. It's not just because of the Will
Smith factor. Will Smith is telling you the truth. Hey man,

(01:32:20):
you guys got the glitz and glamor of gold from
the perception that I gave you without ever really pulling
the veil back to show you everything else that was
back here. I can't hold it no more. I was
in this business fo thirty years or whatever. I cannot.

(01:32:41):
I don't want to get to that point, so I
do it all the time. It's still going, You're still working.
But I promise you there's a person that will listen
to this, that will understand it, and that will go.
You know what, man, shouldn't be afraid to be who
you are. If I can embody and embed the space
of confidence for others to make people understand how dope

(01:33:02):
it is to simply believe that you can do whatever
you put your mind to. If I can help and
just giving you that push, I did my part self
confidence and belief. That's how dreams get met. Self confidence
and belief. That's how you check off goals. That's how
you march towards whatever your versions of success are.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
With a sprinkle of that humility.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Yeah, Kevin, it has been such a joy talking to
you today.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
We end with five foss questions. These have to be
answered in one sentence. Sorry, sorry, one sentence, one sentence
only for each answert All right, Kevin Hard, these are
your final five. Question One, what is the best advice
you've ever received?

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Don't be local? Big logo Chris Rock. Yeah, do not
be a local comedian? Love that make the world laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Second question, what is the worst advice You've ever received
or heard?

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Worst advice I've ever received? The herd is, sometimes you
got to make a studio respect you. He said, don't
give long answers. After this, I'll summarize it was based
off It was based off of, you know, after you
get to a place in acting where you become number
one on the call sheet, if a studio isn't doing
things to your liking, well, you know, sometimes you got

(01:34:15):
to not show up. And the reason why I say
that's the worst advice that I've ever seved, I'm straightforward
businessman and always have been. And the road of negotiation
can be simplified, doesn't have to be the game of
back and forth in true war. Right, So being in
a room and having a face to face conversation with
foundation of understanding of what you want versus what I want,

(01:34:35):
you can succeed a lot more. And I've never not
done that. All opportunities, all business, all relationships have flourished
because of an understanding of communication that I've done in
the room, whether it be my team, studio, studio me,
my team. That that to me has allowed me to

(01:34:56):
achieve much more success than allowing other people to talk
for me, and other things to be elongated and go
on and on, and you end up with a perceptionist
not of you that's created based off of the idea
of what people think you are because of the way
that you've handled business.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
And what's great about that is it breaks the pattern
so that other talent don't get that same advice absolute
so that then it keeps perpetuating the patent and now
twenty five years from now, your kids having to deal
with it because that was the pattern that you continued
and set. So yeah, I love that question. Number three,
How would you define your current purpose?

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
My current purpose is about embracing the world of wei
and making the Wei bigger than the idea of me.
And that's for anybody in the position of you know,
whatever your version of star success is, it's embracing the
world of we, making other people feel like they can,
creating opportunities, you know, changing the economy by broadening your

(01:35:55):
businesses and more jobs, more opportunities, et cetera. We right, more, father,
how do we have more success? More wins?

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Question numb before? What's something you used to value that
you don't value anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
The world of approval that you can't control. I can't
control what the world thinks or what people thinks. And
I thought that I could. I thought that I could
do everything to show you that I'm a good guy,
nice guy, trying to do that because that's naturally what
you are, who you are, and you want people to
know that. But you can't control that. You can't control it.

(01:36:31):
So one thing that I do not need is the
idea or understanding that everybody loves you. Yeah, right, I
don't need that. And once upon a time I thought
that I did. There was a fear of what people
don't like me. Why would I do? I didn't do,
and that's that's not the case anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
That's incredible, all right. Fifth to final question. We asked
this every guest. If you could create one law that
everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Practice what you preach?

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
H that's a great load.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
Very simple. Yeah, practice be a definition of what you preach. Right,
it's easy. It's easy to have words. It's easy to say.
It's harder to do. Yeah. I would love to see
a world of more doers than sayers.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Everyone, Kevin hat I know you already watched the movie,
has already watched the specials. Keep doing that, but please
do not miss out on what's going on inside the
mind of this human and don't miss out on everything
else that's happening around building this mindset of we I
want you to show Kevin a lot of love from
our on Purpose community. Please tag us on whatever social
media platform you use, sharing the greatest moments, insights, nuggets

(01:37:44):
of wisdom from Kevin. There was so many great gems
that he dropped today. I want to make sure that
you screenshot the episode, share it everywhere that you share,
and make sure that we see that because I love
seeing the ideas that resonate with you, that stick with you.
But most import the ones you apply, the ones you practice,
the ones you put into your own reality and start

(01:38:05):
seeing changes in your life. Kevin, thank you for being
such a generous guest, such a present guest. I've felt
every question I've asked you. I've felt your presence and
felt your energy, and You've just brought it tonight, man,
And I'm so grateful to you, and that was so
special and beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
I hope you'll come back, and man, I want to
say thank you. And you've created such an amazing environment
of comfort to your community, and you just speaking to
your community way that you do, You've built something amazing.
And you know, when I'm talking about being in the
space of trying to motivate, inspire or push however I

(01:38:42):
can you know you do it now on a daily
people come here and they're leaving with a sense of
feel good. So congrats again, man, But I hope you
truly understand like the real work that you're doing and
that you've done, and the guests that you get here,
they're coming here for a reason because we who are
listening to you, and we're we're taking away anecdotes like

(01:39:04):
your mindset, your perspective as a man, watching you as
a husband with your kids, like you. As we pull
from that, right, you find energy and motivation to seeing
people do it correctly. So please continue to be the
example that you are and and and put your life
on display at the level you do. Man, the right
people are watching, and I hope that you continue to

(01:39:26):
get the response that you're doing well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
I'm gonna keep coming to you and I need help too,
just know that, but I appreciate it coming from you. Man.
Very empowering, honestly very empowering.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
I mean, I mean every word. Man,

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