LIZZO EXCLUSIVE: “Releasing The Weight Has Affected People” The Real Transformation Story She’s Never Shared Before

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Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's not me anymore.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Whoever Lizzo is to the world is not really even me,
and that disconnect is depressing.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
The Grammy goes too, Lizar, what's making you feel like
now is the right time. It's giving you the confidence
and courage to feel that way.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I think what I learned about fame is even if
that's really me, it just becomes kind of like character.
It's a brand that now doesn't belong to you anymore.
There was a huge scandal. I was dealing with a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Just don't love me back.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I have my first panic attack ever, and I had
this thought. I was just like, you want to die, Okay,
We'll just die like nobody will care.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I think it's so hard when the things that you
stand for are the same things that you're being scrutinized for.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
So when I pop out on a red carpet, or
when a video suddenly goes viral and my body's different,
it appears like it was overnight.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
The weight that is no longer on me is not
just fat or physical.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I released so much to get to this point, and
to be honest with you, I don't feel like I've
expressed myself fully in the last two years.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Number one health and Wellness podcast, Jay said Jay Sheddy only,
Oh my gosh, Lizzo, it is so great to have
you here. I have been wanting to do this for years,
with such huge fans here. And the last time I
saw you, you were performing live at Cannes Lions. You

(02:18):
were on stage for the iHeart Festival. I was out
there and I'd been told that I had two front
row seats reserved so that I could hear you. Now
What happened is I came into the event, I got
into a few conversations. My podcast producer, who's in the
back right now, was meant to take me to this seat.
She's such a big fan that she forgot to take

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me to this seat. So by the time I wanted
to make it to this seat, the whole crowd was covered.
She was dancing in the front row, she claimed. She
claims you said to her that you were really proud
of her dancing skills, or shouted something out at her
in a really cool way. I'll have to verify what
it was. But I didn't get to be front row,
so I was sitting at the back, enjoying your music
from the back.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Frondaby, I know.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
How lucky am I, but no, honestly, we're such big
fans here, and like I said, we've been looking forward
to this, and even the first few seconds, we've just
been powowing and going back and forth.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's been awesome chatting it up, honey, I love it
all right.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, I want to ask you. I saw that video
on your Instagram. You were standing in a sound bowl.
I have not been to that class yet. I have
not seen that before, So what am I doing wrong?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well, you don't have my mama and my sister, because
that was a Christmas gift from them. I remember on
Christmas Day they got me this. It was like a
huge thing that they dragged in. It was wrapped and
I was like, what could y'all have possibly.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Gotten me in this?

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Hue the We're so excited. And I unwrapped it and
I was like, what is this like a water bowl?
And they're like no, And I saw the footprint. There's feet,
like footprint, big feet prints in it and they're like,
you stand in it and I was like and then
what and it's like and then you sound bath and
I was like this is actually wild and so I
was having like a really emotional day.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I was like I was very close to crash out.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I dragged it outside, took my shoes off, put my
feet in the earth for a second, stood in it
and just rang it.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
And I was like, I still don't feel better. I
thought I fell better and then I hit it.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
I kept hitting it and I was like, oh, this
is kind of fun and it yeah, changed my day.
Brought out my other bowls and I sat and I
just hummed and played them and it literally.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Changed my day and I was actually I was pessimistic
about it. I was like, this is not going to work.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
And that was the first time we tested it out.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
I was the first time I tested though since Christmas.
I tested the big one out.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I was shocked.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, because I've never seen one with footprints, like, I've
never seen one that you stand in. I've seen ones
that you lie down and they play them at your head,
or sometimes they come and pro a crystal on your
chest like I've been in those, and I loved them.
We actually did one with my team. We do a
team retreat every year, and we did one last year,
but we did it outdoors and we had this amazing
sound healer come and lead it. And when we woke up,

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we all could see like shooting stars, Now what is
going on? And then we realized it was neuralink. It
was Ela Musk's like, yeah, it's just this thing whatever
it is, I can't remember it's called. But we all
woke up thinking like we could see something magical. But
it is such an amazing experience to have sound heal
you and that frequency. Did it finally work when you
were standing in it?

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Like, yeah, if my ankles started itching and I was like,
what's going on for Like, ants were calling on my
ankles and I kept scratching at him and I was like, Oh,
that's it's waking.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
It's wake, it's awakening me.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
It's so funny because I host these I call them
ass rams once a year, so it's like these little
retreats that I do for all of the black women
in my life that I love and I care about,
and it's it's like an emotional and spiritual reset. And
we do sound baths in the morning, and we do
sound baths at night. And this one time I was

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laying there and I like allowed myself to really just
like go, and it was so trippy. We all saw
the same thing. I was like, because she was asking everyone.
They were like, yeah, I saw like pink and purple,
and it was like, yeah, I saw pink and purple.
And it was like and I saw a galaxy and
was like, I saw a galaxy. So we all kind
of like it's real, Like it I have I have

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too much proof that there's something else going on out here,
and it's all kind of guided by vibration.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's all led by vibration, absolutely, and on our very
very base level. If someone hasn't tried it out, A,
they should try it out, and B. It's like we
all know that sound makes us feel a certain way.
There's songs from your past that make you feel nostalgic.
There's music that can make you cry instantly. There's sounds
that make you feel thoughtful and reflective. We all now
work to low fi beats or whatever it is on

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YouTube playlist, and there's a sense that sound and frequency
has an impact on us, and this is just taking
it to another level.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
So the way I like to describe it because I'm
very like science in woo woo.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yes like me too.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I'm a tourist, so you know, I need like the
grounding of it. We're constantly vibrating. I think when people
hear vibration they think like, okay, girl, like, oh, we're
on a vibe.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I'm like, no.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
You know, your heart is beating constantly, your blood is
coursing through your veins, and you're like made mostly of water,
So when your heart is beating, it's sending a vibration
through your entire body. Like if you sit still enough,
you can feel like the vibration. So it's like everything
is constantly vibrating, and you can vibrate high and you
can vibrate lo and you actually have the power to

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control that.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
And once I learned that, I was.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Like, oh, it's like a cheat code to life, to existing.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
So well said, I love that, and did the playing
of the sound bows come naturally to you?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
I can play anything.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
I found that, like, I can like if I lick
my finger and I have a crystal glass, I can
make a sound. I think that's just one of one
of my gifts is that. Like when I was a kid,
I played recorder, and then I played flute, and then
I played piccolo, and then I can play clarinet, and
I can play piano, and now I play guitar. So
I think with sound bows, I think I just am

(07:49):
an instrumentalist and it's an instrument. Give me an instrument,
and I'm gonna make a beautiful sound.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, that's impressive because it's not easy to do. It's
pretty challenging. So that's awesome. I'm the guy who can't
even whistle learn Like.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Wait, so you can't do the ball Oh no, no.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
No, it's hard. It's hard. My wife's a bit better
than me. We have we have a few beautiful ones
at home, but it's hard.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Oh, I can really make them sing to where your
ears start to It gets like really loud in your
ears and you're.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Is somebody in there
with like a bowl in my head? That's how it's
started to feel.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Sometimes I need to come to you one of yours.
Oh my god, yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
We're going to open up as story. I'm to everybody
very soon.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
I love it. That's so fun. And Liza, I know
you're you're huge into astrology, right, Like that's something that
you're really passionate about. I was wonderings, have you ever
had a conversation with an astrologist that that really changed
your life? Something they said that just shifted everything.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yes, Channey Nicholas is my like astrologer, and so like
every eclipse season I'm texting her. I'm like, Hey, happier
clip season, what's happening. But when I so, I've I've
had a knowledge of my sign ever since I was
a little kid. Like, so, I was super into crystals
and like, oh, I'm a tourist and like my dad's

(08:58):
a Libra, my mom's aver and like compatibility. But then
as I got older, when I met Channey Nicholas, she
taught me about the chart and how like you're more
than just your son's sign and how you're Big three,
but it's like you're more than your Big three too.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
You've got these like asteroids that go through and you've
got these.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Like you've got the rock, You've got everything, Your your
venus matters, your mercury matters. You're that really reframed how
I think of myself, because it kind of opened me
up to being like, oh, I'm the universe, like I
contain multitudes. Like if I see a tourist trade that
doesn't resonate with me, is there a Gemini trait that
resonates with me? Is there a Virgo trait that resonates

(09:35):
with me? And I think the most impactful thing I
learned from her lately is that we have like house years,
and so twenty twenty three, I was in a twelfth
house year and that's the year of hidden Enemies, that's
the year of shadow work. And once she told me that,
it like really unlocked for me because I was like, oh,

(09:56):
that makes sense, and then she was like, you're going
into a first house year. So I've been in a
first house year since April twenty twenty four, and now
my birthday's coming up in April twenty twenty five, and
I have taken advantage of this first house year because
I'm a Leo rising and my first house is all
about self and how I present.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
So I was just like, I'm gonna go in.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Like everything is routined, everything is like the practice. I'm
just like am so deep into my practice and like
loving on myself and rediscovering and redefining who I am.
And now when i move into my second house year,
I'm gonna take advantage of that too.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
What's different about the second house here that you move into.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
So it's gonna be Virgo, which is my moon. And
actually it's these practices that I've been doing on an
external level, how I like make them internal, you know,
how I reframe my membrane and rework the nuts and
bolts in my brain and like make it like my life.
Like right now, it's a routine, but I'm gonna make

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it a lifestyle. I'm going to get really cerebral with
my Virgo moon, and I'm gonna get really meticulous and
I'm going to get really in the paint, like heartworking,
because that's what that virgo is. That virgo allows me
to like work my ass off, and that's where I
really shine and that's where I'm really the most happy.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
That's when I'm working.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Honestly, Yeah, I'm a virgo. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I
was like.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, we're related a little bit.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah. Absolutely. I love that and I love how you're
describing it. It sounds like you're a phenomenal astrologer because I
feel like there's such a deep way of knowing how
to use it right. It's not just something that I
think for all of us who've been exposed to astrology
since we were young, it was like, oh my god,
it knows me, it's predicting, it's it's this, it's compatibility.
But it's so much more. It's like, how are you
using it for personal growth and self growth? Like how

(11:43):
do you how do you use that as Okay, this
is what I'm going to focus on.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Well, first of all, I used to be like, oh,
it's what I am and that's why.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
But it's not like, oh I I am a tourist.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
It's I have tourists, which I think gives it a
little bit more purposefulness, and it makes it a tool.
So I'm like, how can I use my Leo rising
right now, big hair, big personality, big identity, big bold expression,
color fire. How can I use this fire right now?
Because that's what I have right now? And then when

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I'm in Virgo? How do I use this earth? How
do I use this knowledge? How do I use this
this quest for knowledge, this hard workingness, this steadfastedness.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
How do I use that?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
How do I use the private parts of myself and
protect the private parts of myself? I think that is
how astrology has been very helpful to me, because it's
not just like what I am. I don't just like
settle for it. I'm like like, oh, well, that's why.
Because they are Scorpio.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
That's why I know.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
It's like they have Scorpio and that's what they're choosing
to do with it. I have tourists, and what I'm
choosing to do with it is be ruled by Venus.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
I want to be all things.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Beauty and love, you know what I mean, with a
little bit of sprinkle of hard work.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, and you know, gluttony, little gluttony.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I love that. I love the way you're talking about astrology,
it's so refreshing because obviously you're so deep into it.
And I think that's and it sounds like that's similar
to why you a last year you said I'm taking
a gap, I'm gonna protect my peace. Was that part
of it? To know that you're in that house here,
like that was giving you that sense as well.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Man, Once I learned what a twelfth house year is,
it did kind of make sense, you know, because I'll
fight against closing up and isolating.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I'll fight against it.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Because it was like a toxic trait that I had
when I was younger, Like I would get in mind.
You already told you I've been crying a lot lately,
So if I cry, it's not because I'm sad.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I just am real sensitive lately and googly.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
I But when I was younger, instead of expressing myself,
I would lock up and get really quiet and shut
down and just like hold it all in. And I
went to a point where I didn't speak for like
a whole summer. And when I was younger, I didn't
talk to anyone. I didn't talk out loud. The only
time I used my voice was at night and I
would sing to myself and that was it. So I

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thought that that was a really toxic trait. And I
have been working on expressing myself. So when you see
me online, that's a form of expression for me that
I've worked to get to. When I talk to the
people who I work with, that's a form of expression
that I worked really hard to get. When I express
myself to my friends and my family and my loved ones,
I've worked.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Hard for this.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
So to be quiet was like, oh my gosh, I'm
reverting back to a version of myself that.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
That I worked away from.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
But I think once I learned, like, hey girl, you
don't always need to be you don't always need to talk.
Sometimes you need to sit back and just be quiet
and observe what's in front of you now and be present.
Stop being in the future. Stop lamenting in the past.
What's in front of you right now. And like when
I said I was on a gap year, I was

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in the middle of it, and I think people were like, oh,
she's about to take a whole year off. I'm like, no,
I was just in the middle of it. I just
hadn't like expressed myself really and.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
To be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
I don't feel like I've expressed myself fully in the
last two years, like how I want to. I feel
like I've been kind of holding my tongue and like
staying to myself.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
But I think that it's.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
For the best, because, you know, running your mouth these
days sometimes it's just unnecessary, and sometimes it can get
you into some stuff you wasn't even trying to get
into because people will misinterpret it and run with it,
as I found when I was like, I'm taking a
gap year, I'm protecting my peace, but like people were like, wait,
so what's that supposed to me? And I'm like, oh, oops,

(15:32):
I just I just I just wanted to let you
guys know where I'm at right now. I'm in Bali
and I'm having a good time, and I'm just like quiet, Oops,
maybe I should have stayed quiet.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
That's the funny thing, right, Even when you announce that
you're gonna go quiet, and it's like it's hard, it's
hard to figure it out. When when do you feel
it almost seems like you feel more comfortable now, like
being stepping your toe back in, wanting to show more
of yourself, wanting to be that way what's making you
feel like now is the right time, and what's giving
you the confidence and courage to feel that way.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
What I feel like people don't know is when you
are a music artist, you are either on cycle or
off cycle for an album. I think nowadays there's so
much fast turned around with music, and there's like the
deluxe of an album is kind of like an industry
standard that I think we've forgotten, like what it means

(16:24):
to be on cycle and off cycle because everyone's always
on I had planned on being off cycle. That means
you're not in the media, you're not doing interviews, your
album cycle is done. Like you're not going to be
played on the radio as much because people aren't working
your records. You're not going to be promoting anything because
you're working on the next album. So you can be

(16:47):
on cycle and you can be back in the media.
I'm back in the press and back on tour, and
I think like the best, most simplest answer as to
why I'm back now is because my album's done. Like
it really, this is my job, you know, I am
a musical artist. I make studio albums, I put them out,
I promote them, I tour them and I do it

(17:08):
because I'm really good at music and I really want
to help people with music, because I know that music
has saved my life, so I know it can save
someone else's life, you know what I mean. And I
think that's like the most simple answer. But I think
it's loaded this time because at the exact same time,
I was like, I'm going on a vacation, I'm gonna

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be in Japan. I'm gonna go to Kyoto and be
in the woods and like disappear. I also had a
huge scandal come out, and I think that it looked
like I was shut down or silenced or hiding, when
really it was like, but it's just the end of
my album cycle, and this was planned. So I think

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this album cycle, I'm gonna have to do a lot
of work that I'm cool with expressing that and explaining that,
because I don't think people knew or know the difference
between me being like, oh, I'm off cycle, I'm in Japan,
I'm in the woods and I'm meditating, and oh, this
scandal just happened.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Where's Lizo, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
So I'm aware of that, cognizant of it, and I'm
up for the challenge of explaining this to the people
who care about me, because they deserve to know honestly.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, I mean it's first of all, I think it's
always an education learning about how a business works. And
I think if you're not in the business, you don't
really get it. And I think that's true for any
career whatsoever, especially careers in the public eye. Right you're like, oh, yeah,
where did that person go? And it's like, well, the
way you launch music is you need time to make music, yes,
and it takes so much time, and it's very visible

(18:39):
because music's the biggest thing in the world. So you
see someone for a few months and then you don't
see them again when they're working on it. So you're
saying that not only were you meditating, you were traveling,
you were actually working on new music. Yes, So when
you said I was protecting my piece, I was taking
a break for the last year. You were working on music.
That's what we're hearing now.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
When I the last day on my tour was in Tokyo.
I spent a whole month in Tokyo and Kyoto. It
was my first time in Japan. It was my dream place.
I always wanted to go to South a little girl
watching anime. I took that time. I stepped foot back
into America and I walked into the studio. I've been
in the studio since October twenty twenty three, and I

(19:20):
think I finished my last studio session for Love and
Real Life last week when I mastered it. I've been
working constantly this whole time. I didn't take no time off.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
I couldn't. I really honestly couldn't.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I took that little time in Japan that I allowed
it for myself, and I got in the kitchen and
I rolled my sleeves up because I knew I was
gonna have to do my biggest one, you know.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, and the new music's great.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, that's awesome. And I feel like, I mean, even
when you quote it Love and Real Life, I feel like,
how much of that was inspired by what you passed me,
you had to go through and the challenges? Well, how
much was that was just pulling from other parts of
your life? Was it disconnected or was it connected.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Everything that I do I pull from the strife and
the grief that happens to me because the joy that
I find eventually, I think is the helpful part. I've
never named an album before writing a song before, like well,
because I love You, I wrote because I Love You.
I was like, Okay, this sound like the thesis of

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the album. Okay, we're gonna call this album because I
Love You. I wrote Special, and I was like, this
sounds like the heart of the album. I'm a name
of this album special when I say, I've had the
name Love and Row Life since September October twenty twenty three,
and I didn't write the record Love and Real Life
until maybe like February twenty twenty four, because I had

(20:50):
a very specific experience and I'd love to share it.
I want to talk about it as much as I can.
And I never like repeating stories because I just feel
like every different and I'm like, let me give you
something different. But this story was so life saved, like
life changing. I told you, Like when I was in Japan,
you know I was doing the best I can, but

(21:11):
you know there was a huge scandal.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
I was dealing with a lot.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
When I touched down in Los Angeles, it didn't hit
me how deeply affected I was because I had been
trying to be happy for everyone else. I had had
my best friend was there with her kids, and I
was trying to be happy for everybody. I was like,
and I'm in Japan, I should be happy, So I like,
I was like, be happy. I got in La, I
had my first panic attack ever. I was in the

(21:35):
car coming home from the airport and I like, I
was like, somethings wrong on my chest and I was like, okay,
and I've dealt with anxiety for years, but this felt different.
And I was like, Okay, some going on my chest
and I was like, okay, do your anxiety protocol. An
anxiety protocol wasn't working, like breathing and circular breath, and

(21:55):
I was like, no, something is pressing on my chest.
And I had this thought. I was just like, everybody
hates me. Everybody hates me for something that isn't true.
But at the end of the day, because of the
position I'm in, everybody hates me and there's nothing you
can do about it. And I was like, Okay. I
got into the house. I could barely walk and I

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like collapsed by my bed and was like, oh shit,
I couldn't breathe. And I was like, and I was
by the bed and I couldn't breathe. And something was
pressing on my chest. And from then on I had
been in a state of depression because I didn't know
how to fix it.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I was so and I'm not trying to make nobody
feel bad for.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Me, but man, whoo, baby, I was dark and I
was scared of people. I was like, I was like,
you can't trust anyone, you can't love anyone. I don't
want to talk to nobody, you know, because there was
like a lot going on where like people were getting
weird phone calls from people and it was like weird

(23:02):
like stuff going on that I had never experienced before.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Because I was like this, this is wild.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
This is a whole other level of what i've my
job that I've never experienced. And so I was scared
and I was like, I'm gonna go to this concert
because I really wanted to go to the concert, and
I was like terrified to go. I was like, I know,
I'm gonna walk out and somebody's gonna look at me
and be like and you know, I was just like
and there's nothing you can do about it. But I

(23:30):
went anyway, and man, when I say it was the opposite.
I walked out and I just seen so many people
look at me and they.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Were like.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Lizzo. They were like, oh my god, they were come
be here. I love you, I love you.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
And it was just people in the crowd and I
was hugging them and they was hugging me, and I'm
telling you like people were They were like yes, yes,
they were just like it felt like me cheering me
on being like, you did it. You know, you got
over your fear, you got outside. You can trust people again,
you can love people. People do love you. You're okay,

(24:07):
and you know what, there's something you can do about it.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
And you did it.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
You stepped outside. And I was like, this is the
this is the only thing that's real. You can't get
this kind of love on the internet.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
You can't. You absolutely can't. And I thought I could.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
For years, years because I built my platform on the
validation of sharing myself and being myself with the Internet
and being embraced and being shown love.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
And I was like, this is love. No love is
in real life.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
And I felt it from not I won't even say
they're fans of my music, just people. Oh.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
It was the most life saving thing.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
And I was like, I have to name my album
love in real life, because I know I'm not the
only person. I know, I'm not the only person who
sits on their phone and creates a version of themselves
or is told by the world who they are and
starts to believe it, even if it's not really who
you are. You're like, huh, maybe I am not good enough,
maybe I'm not pretty, maybe I'm not cool.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Maybe, and it's like, no, this is a lie.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
This may be a reflection of some things, and some
real things do happen on here.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
And I love the Internet. I'm a child of the Internet.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Like, I get down with social media, but I also
know that if your only sense of self, your only
form of validation is coming from social media or coming
from your phone, or coming from a text back or
coming from a dating app, it's not going to fill
you up like being in the real world and building
community with people and getting over your fear of it
because it is scary. Yeah, And so I've held that title.

(25:44):
And I was like, I wrote like four love in
real lives until I finally settled on the party stadium version.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
I said, why is this? What's so lit?

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Like I wrote these deep emotional ones and then I
wrote this one and I was like, well, that's lizo,
And I think that is when I just when I
just realized, Oh, this is who I am. I go
through this really really tough shit, man, and it's fine
because I have learned to use my alchemy and turn
it into gold and turn it into meaningfulness and like

(26:15):
acts of rebellious joy that people can use in the world.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
And I'm cool with it. That's my mission.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, I love that. I love that. One of the
things that I think you talked about there, which is
so powerful, is you go through something really difficult. On
the other side of it, there's this love in real life. Yeah,
but in between, there's the depression, the darkness, the isolation,
the worry, the fear, and we all go through that.
We all experience at some point in our life. We're

(26:45):
almost feeling like we have to hide. We feel like
you said, I don't know who to trust to to love?
Will people accept me? How did you go through that?
Like what was that timeline? Like? Like what did it
look like when you woke up? What did you do
that helped? What did you who support? How did it
look man? Because that's hard.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
I inadvertently set a lot of boundaries at that time,
and there was more like defenses because I was so
afraid of people that even the people that I was
close to, I just I set up these boundaries and
I disappeared into myself. I'm not even gonna sit up

(27:24):
here and lie and be like I handled it perfectly.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
I didn't. I didn't. It was very messy, and.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
I was hurt by people that I loved, and I
hurt people that I loved at the time. This is
and I'm talking about the depression period. I'm not talking
about me as a boss. I'm not talking about work. No,
I'm talking about October twenty twenty three to now. And

(27:58):
I fought really, really hard for myself, and sometimes when
you fight, it get real messy. I was scrapping. I
was fighting for my life. There was times when it
was like you want to die, okay, well just die
like nobody will care. And I was like, oh, I'm

(28:19):
talking to myself like that. When did this happen. I'm like,
love yourself. I'm like stay positive. I'm like, no, you
have to live. You have to live for your mommy,
you have to live for the And it was like, no, bitch,
you want to die and die like this is the
time to do it because everyone to hate you and
nobody cares. And I think that defensiveness isolated me really bad.

(28:44):
But there's something about isolation that turns into solitude, that
turns into introspection, that turns into I am sitting alone
with myself and I can finally see her. I was
covered up by so much that I couldn't see myself.
I was I was blinded by you know, all these

(29:07):
people in my space telling me who I am. I
was blinded by my career, standing on stage and twenty
thousand people saying.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I love you, You're amazing. I'm like, okay, thank you. Like
I got to.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Push through, and I was never alone.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I was never alone.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Even when I was at home, I'd be like, you
want to come over, Let me let me throw a
let me throw something, let me throw a pool party,
let me let me have people come over and drink wine.
Like maybe it was a fear of being alone with myself,
maybe it was a lack of self awareness. But in
that isolation where I think my defensiveness had pushed off
and pushed away the people I loved the most, I

(29:46):
pushed them all away. I got to like sit with
this person, and I saw the things that other people
saw sometimes that aren't the coolest or the nicest or
that I'm the most proud of. I'm like, you are,
You're moody, you're uncomfortable. You forgot who you are, you

(30:10):
forgot why you're here. And I think that during that time,
I embraced.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
That part of myself. It's like, Okay, you're moody.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Be in a mood, but what do you need to
do to make yourself feel better in that mood? And
what can you do to protect yourself in that mood
and protect others?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Sit by yourself, bitch.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Read a book, learn how to finally consistently meditate, exercise,
get some fresh air.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Get in the sun. And it was like I forced
myself to do that shit. That shit is not easy.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
I didn't want to an exercise at first, hell n
but I got one, got that cardio machine, and I
was like, I never regret moving my body.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
I never regret it. I started.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
It's an anxiety technique. It's like you focus on your senses.
What can I smell? What can I taste? What can
I see? What can I feel? And I started doing
that not intentionally. I'm not a genius when it comes
to this shit. I just started doing it. I was like,
what are you eating? What are you putting in your body?
You're putting things in your body that's making you sick.
You know, what are you doing on a daily basis?

(31:17):
Your bed riding? And that's fine sometimes, but also when
you're always doing it, your body doesn't move. You know,
what are you looking at? What are you watching on TV?
I had to throw my phone away. I'm about to
throw my phone away. I'm like, oh god, it writes itself.
I threw my phone away. I did not look at it.

(31:38):
I told my team, I said anything I need to post,
or anything I want to post, you post it for me.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I don't want to look at that shit no more.
And it was hard too because.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I love the Internet, but it's doing a lot of
things that are hard to finally be like, this is
who I am and I need to become I need
to love her and I need to make her the
best version of myself because guess what, even after all

(32:07):
this shit, even after looking at this aspect of myself
that I was like, Wow, that's not my favorite part
of myself. You know, after all the things I've been
through all the relationships that have come and gone in
my life, I still deserve it, I really do.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
And it's all that her And it's all.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
I mother got. I'm sorry for cussing, It's all I got.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, Because what.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Are you gonna sit up and you're gonna beat yourself
up for the rest of your life about anything that
could have happened, or any misunderstanding or any you know
what I'm saying, Well, you're gonna have a miserable life.
Do you want a miserable life? I sat and I
had to ask myself that. I'm like, do you want
to be miserable? Do you want to feel bad? Or
do you want to get back to doing what you do?
And I was like, damn it, I gotta do what

(32:51):
I do.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
I got to.

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(34:23):
everyone's been through a feeling like that where they've just gone, Yeah,
I just I don't think I can do it anymore.
I don't think I can do it again. And one
thing you said there, no, no, we were talking about
Steve Jobs earlier. Steve Job's always talked about how there's
such a need to disconnect from the outer noise to
hear your inner voice. And so you can't really hear
you inner voice unless the outer noise. And when you're

(34:45):
talking about throwing your phone away and disconnecting, and sometimes
when we're pushing away the outer noise, we might not
do it in the most graceful way because we've realized
that tension between like, oh, but I was used to
that noise being my voice, yes, and now that noise
isn't what I want to hear. And now I actually

(35:05):
have to find my voice. Now I actually have to
like discover it again. I have to like figure out
what it's even saying and what it sounds like. Right,
That's what you have to go through. That process. That's
hard because it's such it can feel so lonely and
it can feel so isolating. As you said, yeah, as
you're dealing with that and you're kind of tipping your

(35:26):
toe back into doing what you love and you go
out and you have that moment that you said like
love in real life, and I love the way you
explained that. I'm glad you told that story. Yeah, when
I hear you, I feel the same way. It's like,
when you go out in the real world, people aren't
shouting that stuff that they shout on the internet. No
one's commenting the thing that you heard in the comment section.
You're not hearing that. When you're out and about, you're

(35:49):
seeing real people have real reactions and there's this look
in their eyes that you all feel and the energy.
How did it feel after that day? Was it from
that day you were like, all right, now I feel
more confident? Or do you still go back and forth sometimes?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Hell no, I'm not even there now.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Like even you being like, oh my gosh, my wife
is such a huge fan and we wanted you on
the show for a while.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I was like, really, like.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
I truth, I don't believe it fully and I don't
feel it fully, and I don't know what that is.
Maybe it's from like, you know, I was like a
kind of a nerdy kid in high school and or
especially middle school, and I was like, you know, teased
in middle school real bad, and like maybe it's that,
Like I'm not cool mentality that like never goes away

(36:32):
because those are such formative years. So please be nice
to people in high school because it really shapes your
whole life. It made me cool, it made me a diamond,
but I still struggle with believing love and believing I
am worthy of love, and believing that I am loved.

(36:54):
I think that those are motifs that are definitely still
difficult for me, and I can little tantrums about but
I need.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
But that's on me.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
I need to sit back, like honestly putting it all
out here. I be on the internet sometimes talking noise,
and it's my insecurities, and I own that. I want
to be more careful with that because of the position
that I'm in now. You know the responsibility I have
now in the state of the internet. Now, I can't
just be projecting my insecurities on the internet. I think

(37:24):
there is a more responsible way to do it, to
where people understand me more and that people know where
I'm coming from and I can make it more of
a personal thing instead of these blanket statements. And because
it sounds like it's coming from a place of anger,
but it's really not.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
But it's just coming from these insecure moments that.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
I have sometimes where I feel like, man, I feel
like misunderstood, and I feel like people don't get me,
and I feel like people don't see me, and I'm like,
how do I express myself in a way where you
get me and you feel me and you see me,
and like I want you to know, and I'm working
on it.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
And before you would say it, and now you're reflecting, yes.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Before I would say it.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
And when I say before, I mean, like a couple
of weeks ago, I'm still man.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I'm human, Man, I am I'm really in this thing,
human flesh and blood.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
It's so wild, but like I think that I'm also
human enough to admit where I could be better, And.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Those are the places where I could be better.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
I was in that giant sound bowl banging that thing
because it kept me from going on Twitch. It kept
me from going on Blue Sky or going on you
know what I'm saying, TikTok and just wow, because that's
not the place for it anymore. I think there's enough
going on in the world. There's enough to be outraged about,
there's enough pain circulating on the internet. I don't need

(38:44):
to share my pain. I need to share my joy.
I need to share my love. I'm a very blessed person.
I get to make music for a living. I have
people who love me. I have people who've never met
me who loved me because of the music that I make.
And I get to travel all over the world and
connect with those people and touch those people. I can

(39:04):
support my family financially. As a fat black woman who
was born in Detroit and raised in Houston, Texas. The
odds were stacked against me, and I beat the odds
and I'm here and I'm surviving and thriving in this world.
I am grateful, and I think that my position is
to always show that gratitude. I want to live in

(39:24):
a constant state of gratitude and I want to and
I want to emit that, you know, and I want
to just really show the world love at all times.
They don't need they don't need no more darkness. It's
enough darkness in the world. They don't need to come
from somebody like me. If I get insecure, sometimes call
your mama.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Call your mama.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
You know what I'm saying, Like girl, So that's that's
where I'm growing as a person. I'm and I'm proud
of the person I'm becoming.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, well, Lizen, I was going to say, I think
it's your music, but it's also because you mean something
to people, you know, like you've done. When I think
about my wife and what I was sharing with you earlier,
it's because you mean something to have. When I was
talking about Helene and my producers, because you mean something
to Helen. I think you mean something to people. It's
beyond just they love your music, for sure, but you
mean something to people. And I think that that's why,

(40:15):
like you said, when we were at school, it was
all about whether you were cool, on whether you're a trendy,
and whether you were you know, the girl or guy
or whatever it was. But it's almost like it's even
beyond that you mean something. It's beyond being cool and relevant.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I think that's where like.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
A lot of my points of depression were coming from, because.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
I had been.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
So fearlessly myself for years. The person that you saw
was the person that you got that was really me,
and that is really me. The issues that I spoke about,
I really care about the issues I stood up for.
I really want to see change in it really matters

(41:02):
to me. The platforms that I give people, that's real.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
All of that is real.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
And I think what I learned about fame is even
if that's really me, it just becomes kind of like
a fictional story that it's a character, it's a brand,
it's a thing that now doesn't belong to you anymore.
And when it got changed, that was what really my
sense of self because I was like, well, now the

(41:31):
person that you know the world is saying I am,
that's not even me, and that's shadow work. I was like,
that's like some shadow self that was created out of
me not being precautious and careful and protecting myself. But
I think that it really depresses me to feel like

(41:54):
it's not me anymore. Whoever Lizzo is to the world
is not really even me, and that disconnect is is depressing.
And I think the only remedy to that is continuing
to be myself. That's the only time. I just have
to continue to be me and people will see me

(42:14):
for who I am. But I think for a long
time I was really depressed about like, oh damn, like
now there's this like fake character.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Now there's like.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
This like and and and you know, I can't blame
or judge people for believing it, for believing that's who
I am. I can't because I will be in the
same position, you know. So I take the fact that
I mean something to people very seriously. I take it

(42:48):
to heart, and it's why I have moved the way
that I have moved my entire career, and it's why
I when I when when things happened, I would speak it,
I would take accountability. It's why I did those things
because I know that. And I think when it was
out of my control and someone else could tell a
story about me that wasn't true and people believed it,

(43:12):
it crushed me. Because I know that I mean something
to people, and it's why I'm careful to this day.
I'm never gonna stop being care If anything, I'm more
careful now. I can't just let any author into my
life who can make.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Me a villain.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
I can't do that anymore because I am the author,
and I'm taking back my narrative by continuing to tell
my story from me. And thank you for giving me
the opportunity to do that.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
No, of course, I think I think everyone deserves that,
you know, everyone needs that, and I think it's also
hard when the things that you stand for are the
same things that you're being scrutinized for, right, It's like
that's that's what's so hard about it. It's like, when
you stand for inclusivity and empowerment, being questioned for those
same things is like so painful and it kind of

(43:58):
like dismantles your whole identity, even for yourself. Yeah, so
I can imagine that's really hard, and that's why I
think everyone needs an opportunity in a platform to be
able to do that.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
But it feels like, strangely like.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
It's this thing now where it's like, Okay, if I
stand up for inclusivity, it's invalidated. If I stand up
for black women, it's invalidated. If I stand up for
body positivity and fatness and stand it up against fat phobia,
it's invalidated because of that. And I was like, wow,
that's convenient, Like these are the things I truly believe,
and I'm not about to just pick up some new

(44:34):
causes because it's the thing to do. I was a
political and very vocal activist artist before it was the trend,
before teams were telling artists to speak up like I
was just doing it because I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
It's an uncomfortable position to be in right now.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Because I also know I have a responsibility to, like
I said, only bring love. And I think me speaking
on certain things, or even if I feel like I'm
advocating for something, it's kind of creating more hate and
in chaos.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Than what I intended. So it's just like, sometimes you
just gotta shut that.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
And that's hard. And that's hard too because you really
care about it, right, I think that's the challenge. It's
like you keep doing something because you really care about it,
that's why you started in the first place. But then
sometimes you're like, well, maybe it would be smarter for me, yeah,
to not comment on it. Yeah, because it's safer.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
And not just safer for me, but like safer for
the public. You know.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
I don't want to create divisiveness. I really don't. There's
enough discourse. There's enough division. And I think that like
me doing something that I thought was like, you know,
for a good cause or like from the goodness of
my heart, if it's taken and creates negative discourse where
people are going back and forth, I won't say nothing.
I won't say nothing at all. Don't don't worry about me.

(45:52):
You don't got to worry about me at all. Don't
you worry, honey?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
And before you would have that wouldn't have been your
real before.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
No, because I feel like there was no opposition. I
feel like when I spoke up, the only opposition was
the opposition to the cause. I think now when I
speak up for something, there's opposition to me. It's like, ah,
bad messenger, good right message, bad messenger. And I'm like, oh,
you know what, valid, absolutely valid as a as a

(46:23):
famous person or a celebrity right now, this is what
I signed up for.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
And I and I'm like, so I'm not I'm not complaining.
I can't complain.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
I'm do it like I'm gonna just be quiet because
I understand that it's creating more confusion than solution, and
I only want I'm a solutionary.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I'm a solutionary. I like to bring solutions.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
I like to only speak up if I know it's
gonna help in some way, and if it ain't helping,
zip it, zip.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
It like that solutionary. Yeah, solution is not confusion. That
is definitely. I like that. And that's a great way
for all of us to think about stuff. In our
own personal life, whether it's public or not. It's like,
is me speaking creating more confusion or is it actually
getting us more clarity? Is it actually pushing us in
the right direction? Have you felt you were saying like,
obviously when you go through something like this, you got

(47:13):
to become more careful about you were saying you don't
want someone else to become an author of your journey.
It's like picking the people that are close to you
becomes harder and harder and harder. Has has that been
like a real focus for you in surrounding yourself with
the right frequency and vibration And how do you do that?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
I don't have any new people in my life anymore,
and I'm very careful about and honestly a lot of
relationships that I had are gone. And it's not like bad.
It's just like I just I stopped chasing.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Because I how do I say this? How do I
say this?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
I see the good in everyone, and I have seen
the good and some really kind of like broken people
who have been have done harmful things.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
But I always see the potential.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
I always see the good, and it's like it's like
that inner child in me that's like oh my gosh,
I can help them, like, but they are good, and
I think that when they would do harmful things to me,
I had a sense of forgiveness and understanding and I
would be like, I know that's not you, and so
I would chase and pursue that relationship. And I'm not

(48:30):
talking about romance. I'm talking about people I worked with.
I'm talking about friends who were also people I worked with.
I was like, I was hiring my best friends, you know,
and I would kind of see past it. And meanwhile,
I was allowing something potentially nefarious or not good for

(48:51):
me into my space. Right, So I realize, and I
think people all over the world, if when you put
up boundary that protects yourself and you stop chasing the
people who continually hurt you, you'll find that pretty soon
they'll be gone and you'll be like, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I was keeping this afloat the whole time.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
It was me, And so when I isolated a lot
of people just sailed away. And I opened my eyes
and was like, who's left? And the people that are
left are you know, my best friend who I've known
since like fourth grade?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
And I love her, and I cherish her my boyfriend,
you know, and I'm just like, wow, this is cool.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I don't need to.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Pursue anything or anyone anymore.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I'm full.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
And I think that comes from that isolation, and I
think it comes from appreciating the people that you have
and from like a business perspective, when you're friends with
somebody and you hire them, it's just like it gets
the power dynamic. It's up the relationship, it's up the
social structure of the relationship, and it's something that you know,

(50:19):
I wanted to do when I was younger. I was like, yeah,
puts money in my friends pockets, like let's go, let's
turn up, let's see the world, let's and it was,
you know, something I loved. But then I also realize
it's not fair to them to be their boss and
their friend and that will help keep things just clean.
I just want and like I said, simple solutions. I

(50:41):
don't want no more confusion ever again. I want my
friends to be my friends, and I want my employees
to be my employees.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah, this is so real, and I appreciate how like
real you're being about it and how direct it is,
because I do think that it's a it's glorified to
be like we should be like a family and every
should be really close. And I think that's like idealized.
It's glorified, like that's what people talk about it. And
I think recently a lot of people have been talking
about how teams should not actually operate as families. They

(51:09):
should operate as teams, like teams, like a sports team. Yes,
there's a coach, there's players. The way they operate is
like there's camaraderie, there's collaboration, but there's an energy of like, no,
we're playing here to win. That's the goal of a
team is to win. The goal of a family is
not to win. The goal of a family to just
be safe and wait a minute, but we're at work
to win and do stuff. We have results and targets.

(51:31):
Families don't have targets. Families don't have results. Families don't
have goals. The goal of the family is just to
stay together. And you can see how it plays on
our minds. And I've had that too, Like I used
to think that teams should be family too, and there's
a family energy and I'm like that's great, but it's
like there's just a different value system to a team
and a family. And I think there's so much to

(51:54):
be said for this that you only learn by going
through it. You don't know this when you start, Like
I think about how much I've had learn moving into
this space for myself doing this for the last ten years.
It's like I didn't know. I've never built a team before.
And just because I'm good at one thing doesn't mean
I know everything about everything. And I think there's a
lot of pressure on artists, creators, musicians to know about

(52:16):
everything when your talent is kind of like here right, yes,
it's like your talent is music and creation, artistry and storytelling.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
And so you make everything music and creation and artistry
and you're like, oh, this should be a creative space
and this should be lax, and everyone's like, no, man,
this is a well oiled machine. If Lizo is the brand,
that's a company, you know what I mean. It's like
everybody has their their role and it's just like know
your role and stay in your lane.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
That's something that I've learned.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
It's I don't know, it's I'm not out of it, man,
I'm still learning what's coming next. But I'm so grateful
to God because this experience and I'm not just talking
about like the scandal, I'm talking about the last like
two years of my life, the last like.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
All of this and has.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Prepared me for I think, something so incredible that I
needed to be ready for that I needed to be
this way for you know what I mean, Because I
was holding on to a lot of toxicity. I really was,
because that's just the kind of like and I'm not
even talking about toxicity within myself. I mean like toxic
systems and structures and people. I held on to them

(53:37):
because I was just like, I'm a tourist, you know,
I'm very loyal. I'm just like do the wheels fall off?
And it's like, man, let go and flow. And I
think that I had to learn that, Like God had
tried to show me this so many ways.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
It was like knock me.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Over the head.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
I was like, yeah, but that person was just mean
knock me over the head. Yeah, but that was just
a misunderstanding. Knockna be over the head. It was like, yeah,
wake up, wake up, let go.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
You know, when you can't let go, you hold on
to things that weigh you down. And I'm not even
trying to talk bad about nobody because I feel like.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
People needed to let me go too.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Honestly, there are some relationships and dynamics that I know
that like I was keeping them back from greatness, do
you know what I mean, or not even less greatness,
keeping them back from just like living, you know what
I mean, living for themselves. And it's not my job
to think about that, but I will say, it's not
just a it's not a one way street.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I'm not sitting up here being the victim and being
like I had to do this for me. It's like, no, man,
it's mutual.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
There's somebody out there whose story is like, yeah, I
had to let go, and now I'm flowing and things
are coming to me that are meant for me, you know.
And I'm not just holding onto this situation that's starting
to woop my ass, you know.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I'm aware of that.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah. So it sounds like this was the headspace from
which the music was created.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
I was so angry.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
I was like so like, I was so angry from
like October to January. I just have a lot of
angry songs and I was like, get it out, talk
yo shit. I had some songs that were very like
that are very dark, you know, and there, and I
left them on the album because I was like, I
just think that people deserve to know. And like it's
songs about loss, like I lost my dog Puka twenty

(55:28):
years you know. She was like a grandma to me,
you know, and that was really hard. I wrote a
song for her. And I have like songs about like
just friendships that ended that really hurt me.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
And I was like leave it.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
I had this one song I wrote and like I
hadn't slept in like forty eight hours, and it was
like during one of the worst like mental breakdowns I've
ever had in my life. Like I had the studio
scheduled the next day and I hadn't slept and I
was like tears stained face and like musty clothes, like.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
I'm gonna go to the studio. I'm gonna go. And
I went and I wrote this incredible song, and I'm
like leave it. Leave it.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
You know, you owe yourself that you don't always have.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
To write perfect, polished pop hits.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
You can have songs about your real experience that you
didn't go in and edit on this album. But then
I wrote love in Real Life in like February, and
I was like, huh. I was like, this feels good,
this feels familiar, and I started to realize my purpose.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
My purpose, like I said, is.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
To turn this pain into champagne and help other people
through it. I can't just sit and be sad for
twelve fifteen songs. I gotta give people something to step two,
something to march to, something to perk themselves back up.
I didn't do it because I forced myself to. I
did it because that was just the place I was
at now. I had written so many sad songs, so

(56:57):
many mad songs, so many wrong songs, that like, I
could finally focus on what's right and what feeds my soul.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
And so some of those songs made it onto the album.
Some of them didn't. Some of them are just a
lot of them didn't.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
A lot of them. I'm like, oh, like, you'll never
hear this one, never hear the light of day.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
But you still had to make it to let go
of that emotion, that feeling. There was a part of
it that allowed you to shed certain things you were carrying.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
And that's one thing I will tell any artist. It's like,
make the song.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
It's not like once you record it, it's gonna go
on the radio tomorrow. It's not gonna be on DSP's
at midnight. Write the song, say the lyrics, say the
weird thing. People desperately want to hear the weird thing,
and then write another song. And if you you know
what I'm saying, like that's part of them.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
How do I describe this?

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I always say like there's some sort of stream of
creation going always, and ideas like are coming out like fish,
it's so wild, and so you're always kind of like
when you sit down and cast your net to create,
whether it's painting, whether it's writing, whether it's music, whatever, dance,

(58:10):
you cast that line and whatever that fish is, you
catch that fish, you pull it out, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
You gotta pull the fish out.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
You can't be like, well, I caught the fish, but
I can't say that, or I caught the fish, but
I don't like this genre of music. I can't make
a classical twerku song. Yes, you can make the classical
tork song. Pull the fish out and go fishing again,
cast your line again.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
You know what I'm saying? What did they say?

Speaker 1 (58:36):
It's full of plenty fish in the see I love.
What you said about how creativity is a stream and
that's what the words stream is actually so beautiful because
you're right that we're all pulling from the universe moments
of creativity and mixed with our experience. It's almost like
one layer is the stream of creativity in the universe,
and the other is the experience of real life of

(58:58):
what we're going through. And great art is made when
those two things are moving in parallel. Yeah, And you're
able to like connect the dots between the two, and
it seems like that's what you've been trying to stream
and channel and put it together. How is your view
on love changed through this process? Like when you look
at the word love, now.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
I'm such a better lover now. I worked really hard,
and I can't remember. It was like twoenty seventeen. I
was really deep in it, and I had like candles,
and I was reading books, and I was trying to
understand what it means to be an unconditional lover because

(59:37):
love with conditions hurt really bad, really bad. And I
was like, please, I want to learn how to be
an unconditional lover. And once I had all the crystals
and all the candles and all the prayer and all
the reading, and I was like, I get it.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
I get unconditional love.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
I realized that, like, actually, as a human being, I'm
in unconditional we are, I think on a spirit level, vibrationally,
we are unconditional love. And I think that is why
it's hard to try to be an unconditional lever, because
it's not something that you can actively do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
You just are.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
But when you tap back into your flesh, that's when
the conditions come right back in. And I found that
when I choose to love and flow, that is the
most unconditional part. When I love on a material level,
that's when the conditions started to come in and it
gets painful and it gets petty and it gets weird.

(01:00:39):
But every time I forget, because we're going to forget.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
We are human beings.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
We step back into the flesh every morning when we
wake up, I have to go back to the flow.
And I remind myself, I'm like, well, how would you
feel if they did that to you? You know, how
would you feel? What would you think? And I go oh,
and I empathize and I understand. And it's so much
easier for me now to accept because I think love

(01:01:04):
is acceptance, you know what I mean. Like, one of
my favorite phrases to tell myself and others is just like,
I love and accept you for who you are. I
love and accept you for who you are. And sometimes
when people piss me off, I go I love and
accept them for who they are. I love accept I
have to remind myself that I do on a very
sole level, on a vibrational level, I love them and

(01:01:24):
accept them for who they are. Once I get into
the material level, you fed up my day, or why
would you say that to me?

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Or why would you do this to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Me, it starts to get real conditional and painful and
pain body and hateful and drama and mess. I don't
want no drama and I don't want no mess. I
really don't anymore. And honestly, I was addicted to it
for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
I love reality TV. I loved hearing gossip about others.
I would be like, oh my gosh, what's the tea,
what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Oh my god, Like I was very spunky, you know
what I mean, And I realized, oh that's like, you know,
I see something online, I'm like, I go down the
rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
I'm like, but what happened? Drama? And it's like, girl,
that is lowering your vibration.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
And like I hate to even say lowering vibration because
people don't think it's woo woo. It's like I'm literally
lowering my waking state. By doing that, you're lowering yourself
and then you start to attract drama. Oh my god,
when you jet, when you you are what you eat.
When you eat drama, you attract mother drama. I was

(01:02:31):
so addicted to it, and I think, like now I'm
a better lover. And what I understand about love is
love is like there's no drama. It's like calm water.
It's like peaceful water, because love is a flow state. Yeah,
you're at your best, you love it your best when
you're just flowing. Don't try to understand it, don't try

(01:02:52):
to make it make sense, and don't try to like
find problems with it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Just like love them, you know, and and be loved.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
I love that flesh to flow. That's really good because
it's so good. I love what you're saying because I
think about this often where we're like we're all like
be kinder to everyone and then the next thing you
need is someone's comment section, which is like, why does
a voice sound like that? What's up today? Like what's
up with his? You know? And I'm like, what a mean?

(01:03:22):
Didn't we all just say we need to be kinder
to us each other and kind of to ourselves and
be like, oh, no, mental health is the most important
thing in society right now you look at a comment section,
all of a sudden, someone's mental health is being absolutely
destroyed for things they can't even control, things that you
don't even know why their voice sounds like that, or
why their weights like that, or why their health's like that,
Like you just have no context. And it's so fascinating

(01:03:45):
to me that you see this complete quarrel and hypocrisy
of constant like just everything we're saying, we're finding it
hard to live, Like it's hard to see in real life,
like what you just said, Like we all love reading
about gossip about someone else's life. Else is dating scenario.
But then if your friends are gossiping about your life,
you're like, can you believe it? They're spreading rumors about me?

(01:04:06):
And it's so interesting, right, it's and I think about
it all the time because as soon as you think
you're free of it, if you're like, oh no, I
never gossip about anyone or whatever, and you just got
to take a beat and take a look at how
you spoke about someone yesterday. And so we're, like you said,
we're all human. We're constantly trying to propagate and preach
the right thing to do, but we're all struggling in

(01:04:27):
reality with actually doing it when it's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
We are as kind to others as we are to ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
I'm learning that. I'm learning the people who say the
meanest things to me and about me are going through it.
They struggling too. How are you gonna be How are
you gonna be nice to me and say something nice
about me? When you talk down about yourself? And I
don't even mean like people who have low self esteem.
I'm talking like, oh stupid, why did I do that?
I'm so stupid? Or like, oh I look bad, like

(01:04:57):
I don't like how I look, like, Oh I hate myself?
Like it's little things like that that you say over
and over and over and over in your body's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I bet you know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
And that's why I'm so I man, I'm telling you
self love can save the world because you, because it
starts with you self. Love could could make this world
a better loving place because when you're kind, you notice
the people who are kind to themselves and love themselves,
they're they just you're like, oh, I like being around
You're so kind, You're so nice, Like why you're so

(01:05:27):
nice to me? It's like, well, because I'm nice to me,
you know what I mean. But when I'm hard on myself,
and when I'm striving for perfection, and when I'm beating
myself up, and when i'm doing the most, I can't
control how I treat other people or how I look
at other people, or what I think about other people.
When I wasn't when I'm in the trenches, the trenches

(01:05:48):
I'm I'm the trenches are surrounding me now that I'm
kinder to myself. And that doesn't even mean like ooh,
I put on lotion every day and self care. I mean, like,
man like, the way I look at the world, the
way I view the world, the way I view myself
through the lens of the world is kinder, you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
And I think if everyone, if everyone was a little
kinder to themselves, I think we'd have less and less
of the negativity in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
I agree. I think that's a beautiful way to put it.
It's that projection of our own insecurity and pain and
the conversation that's happening in our mind is going out
with as well. And I feel like it's harder, like
we were talking about earlier, when you mean something to people,
because I feel like when you then change, people feel
like they're losing a friend. Right. It's like when you transform,

(01:06:34):
then people feel like, oh, but you used to be
the girl that what's the reality TV and talked about it.
Now you don't, I'm losing you. Oh you used to
be the person who who didn't do that and didn't
do that, and now you are, Like, I feel like
I'm losing you. Have you ever felt that way before? Like,
as you're transforming, as you're growing, as you're becoming the
person you want to be, that people can often also
feel like you're leaving them behind. People feel like they're

(01:06:55):
grieving a friend.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Oh, yes, yes I was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
We could talk about my personal life because on a
personal level, I do feel like there's just people who like,
our relationship just grew apart because we just don't even
relate on the same things anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
You know. I know a lot of people be like, oh,
I grew out of that. It's like, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Really you grew out of it. You just grew apart
from it. And that's fine. But I would say, on
like a my public relationship, I'm very careful about what's
happening with.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Me right now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Like I have been on an intentional weight release journey,
and I put it on the internet. I posted about
it like maybe a year and a half ago, and
I was like very clear that this time it's intentional.
I've always been very like work athletic online, I work out,
you know, I'm always like, you know, eating and showing

(01:07:51):
how I eat and like always trying to like eat healthy.
And I remember once I started becoming famous, like twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen, I was and I was like a big girl,
and I was like, it's going to be on me
to show the world that big girls can also be healthy,
big girls can also have stamina, big girls can also
be loved, big girls can also be sexy, etc.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Etc.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
All the things that I stood for. And I told
people that I was going on an intentional weight release
journey because I wanted to be transparent in that way
because I do feel like I have a relationship with
the public where it's like I am their friend, and
it is relatable, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
It is relatable to struggle with your body.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
So I put it out there, and I think over
the last few over the last like year and a half,
as I've been doing it, my body has been changing
very slowly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
But I don't think people were paying attention.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
I would show different things like, oh, I showed my workouts,
or I'd show like what I eat in a day,
or I would say I started off the year by
being like, hey, new year, knew me. Trends don't have
to be toxic. Please be careful when you're posting about
your January fitness goals because it can be very fat phobic.
Like I was still very like anti fat phobia on

(01:09:05):
this entire journey. But I think that, you know, we
got to remember everybody not seeing your shit all the time,
everybody not seeing every video you post. Everybody's not privy
to what you're going through. They're not with you every day.
So when I pop out on a red carpet or
when a video suddenly goes viral and my body's different.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
It appears like it was overnight.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
It appears sudden, and I think that was shocking to
a lot of people because now the headline is Lizo skinny,
which is a.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Far cry from the truth because I'm not. I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
And even in my original video, I was like, when
I reach my weight release goal, I'm not going to
be considered thin by any means, by any metric, by
any BMI. I will still get trolled and talked about,
and the fat jokes will still be there, but I'll
be happy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
And I said that because I meant it, and here
I am, and I was like, how did y'all? How
are y'all? How?

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Where's the disconnect? But I think the disconnect is communication.
I've been so transparent, so if anyone wanted to look
at my paper trail, it's there. But I also know
that they're not going to and my responsibility, as someone
who has this relationship with the public and they have
it with me, is to continue.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
I'm not going to stop and get defensive and be
like God I did for a second. I was like,
I'm not skinny. Why are y'all saying that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
And that kind of baffled me because it's just like
if y'all knew how much I weighed, if y'all knew
what my body really looked like, and I was like, Oh,
just show them what your body looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Just be real about it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Just be real about the body dysmorphia that you're experiencing,
that you know now that you have released some weight
that's kind of new to you, Like you know that
is also like it's strangely inverse, like show them, just
show them your journey more. Just continue to do it
instead of being angry and defensive about it, be real
about it because that's what you're from loves about you,

(01:11:00):
and that's what you love about your friend, that you
can be real. Yeah, you know, I'm still in it
because this is all very new, Like I think it's
now just starting to be like a point of conversation
and discourse, and I think my responsibility with that is
to make sure that it's still it's still me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
That's beautiful, that's beautiful the way you explained that I love.
First of all, I really appreciate the empathy that you
have in the fact that everyone's not seeing everything, so
it feels like overnight it feels like a shock, and
the fact that you even have the foresight to even
think through that shows just how aware you are. But
at the same time, I really appreciate how you're using
the word weight release and not loss. Yeah, and talk

(01:11:37):
to us about that, because I think that's really important.
It's such an interesting reframe and such an important reframe.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Because the weight that is no longer on me is
not just fat or physical. I released so much to
get to this point, and I think people can see that.
And I don't want to describe anything as loss, you know,
I don't want to. I'm not experiencing any loss. I've

(01:12:03):
actually gained so much. I've gained like a sense of self.
I gain like a lifestyle that I actually really love,
and I'm like, I can maintain this, you know. I've
gained new perspectives on like nutrition and the science behind
cardio or weightlifting, Like it's exciting to me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
That's that virgo mood. I'm like, oh, this is interesting.
I love science.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
But yeah, I just think that, like, people aren't going
to understand this right now, but it's the most body
positive way to experience what I'm going through. I don't
want to use any negative terms weight loss is like, girl,
I lost weight, and it's so funny because my man,
he's so funny, Like he was the one who kind

(01:12:48):
of like brought it to my attention at first. I
was like, cause at first I was like, I was like,
oh my gosh, I lost five pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
He was like, where did it go?

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
I was like what?

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
And I was sad at him. I was like, why
would he say that?

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
He's like, where did it go? You know, I was like, oh, interesting.
You know, It's like, I don't think I want to
lose anything. I think I want to win. I think
I want to gain, and I think that, like, I
want to be very intentional with the words that come
out of my mouth because there's young people who are
watching me, and they're experiencing, you know, what I'm putting
into the world, and they're applying it to their own

(01:13:21):
experience and their own life, just like I did when
I was a kid. You know, I saw how the
media treated people who gained and lost weight and how
that affected my brain chemistry and how it made me.
I'm still not perfect, Like, you know, I'll still mess
up when I'm talking about things, or I'll still I
have some toxic you know, diet culture, things that come

(01:13:44):
on my brain. I just swaowed away like a fly.
I'm like, no, we're not doing that. We're not doing that,
you know what I mean? Like, this is your body.
You only get one of these. Enjoy her and let
her enjoy you. So I just want to be very
careful with my words and intentional. And it's not for me,
because if this was all for me, you know, I
take this being a public figure very by heart. But

(01:14:05):
if we were sitting alone, we was drinking Q, I'd
be like, well, but it's like no, Like, be careful
with your words because it could affect somebody in ways
you don't even know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Even me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Releasing the weight has affected people, and I take that seriously.
I take that responsibility, and so because of that, I
want to transmute it into something that makes those people
feel comfortable, you know, and feel like, Okay, let's afraid
of it, you know what I mean, and understand it more.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Liza, it has been an absolute joy talking to you.
You're easy to talk to. You're so much fun. I
can tell that you've sat with everything you're saying for
so long. Yeah, when I'm listening to you. I can
hear the reflection in your voice. I can hear the like, yeah,
the weight in what you're saying for yourself and for others.
And I really respect that because that's actually the hardest part.

(01:14:55):
The hardest part is sitting in no matter land or
no person's land and just figuring it out. And I
can tell that you've spent so much time there reflecting,
doing the inner work, pushing, healing, questioning, taking responsibility, doing
the shadow Like that's hard, and I just want to

(01:15:15):
acknowledge that because I see you for that, I feel
it in your words, I hear it. It's very evident
to me that you're someone who's really working on that.
That is the hardest work on the planet to do
on an individual level.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Like, don't nobody want to sit around thinking about how
they picked up, you know, because then you'll just beat
yourself up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
But I did it anyways, and I was like, I'm
going to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Beat myself up until I end up becoming the best
version of myself.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
And it was really hard.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
And I only share it because I know that someone
else might be going through it, Like go through it,
don't try to like stop the journey, you know you
do have to sit and reflect. You do have a
You are the only person in control of you. You
know what I mean, and you have to take responsibility
for that. And I think that like it feels good

(01:16:08):
because then no one else can control your story. No
one else can control your joy. I am the author
of my story.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
I love it. We end every episode with a final five.
These questions have to be answered in one word to
one sentence maximum each, So Liza, these are your final five.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Very bad at this, by the way. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
The first question is what is the best advice you've
ever heard or received?

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Wow? Know who you are and whose you are?

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Ooh, I have loved I've never heard that before. That's beautiful,
all right. Question number two, what is the worst advice
you've ever heard or received? Good?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Bitch, crash out?

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
You said it to yourself. Oh yeah, that's funny. That's funny.
Question number three this new music, this new album. What
is this chapter of your life called freedom?

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I feel very free?

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
And that's what people feel when they listen to life.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
I sure hope so, because that's what I put in it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
That's beautiful. A Question number four, what's the first thing
you do every morning? And the last thing you do
every night.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
The first thing I do every morning when I open
my eyes is I have a wave of gratitude. It's
happened every morning since January twenty twenty. I've woke up
and I had a wave of gratitude that almost brings
me to tears. I've never cried for like all of
my life, and then in twenty twenty, I just start
crying all the time. And then the last thing I do.

(01:17:45):
I think this is gonna sound like I'm lying. I'm
so corny, but I and it's only because I have anxiety.
I think about every person, and I think about my family.
I think about the family members who aren't here, think
about my dog Puka, my dad, and I send so corny.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
I know this doesn't sound real.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
It sounds like I'm only saying this because I talk
to you, But I literally I send like there's like
these weird color points that come out of me in
my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
And I and they always go to a different person
every time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
It's like a different color to a different person, and
I think about them. I sent green to my brother,
and I sent like orange to my sister, and I
sent red to my man, and I sent Violet and
White to my father, and I sent Blue to my mother,
and it was just it was so strange. But I
think about them and I say, oh my gosh, I
just pray.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Over them real quick. I'm like, I pray.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
I actually don't even pray that they're okay. I thank
God they're okay. I know you said one word, but
I go, thank you, beautiful. I'm like, thank you for
making sure that my family and all my loved ones
are safe and healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
I swear because I have to. It's the only way
I can go to sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
That's beautiful. I believe you. I believe that was very
depth Jesus in it to make it. That's amazing. Fifth
and final question. We asked this to every guest who's
ever been on the show. The question is, if you
could create one law that everyone in the world had
to follow, what would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Whoa whoa whoa whoa? Actually I just heard about this.
I forget the name of the law.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
But it's if you like, think about the world and
you're not in it yet, and you don't know how
you're going to be born, you don't know you know
what color you're going to be born, what country you're
going to be born in You don't. It's a lottery.
How would you design that world not knowing how you
would be born in it? So that everybody can live happily?

(01:19:45):
And that's how that's how you move through the world.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
That is so good. I love that. I've never heard
that before.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
That's it, that's that's the rule. Design this world, build
this world, live in this world. As if you don't
know what privileges you'll be owed you, I don't know
how you are going to come into it, what cultures
are going to be a part of so that everyone
can benefit and everyone can live happily and freely.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
How would you design it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
I love that is amazing. We never had that answer. Yeah,
that is a brilliant brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
And the tea is it's the way God designed it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
But you know, we came in here, we added our biases,
we put our biases up in this bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Liza, you are so much fun. You are such a
bright spug and such a brilliant soul. Like honestly, your
energy is infectious. And I want to thank you for
trusting me with just being so open, so vulnerable, so
so thoughtful, and everything you shared and I know that
anyone who listens to this episode is going to feel
inspired in their own personal journey. I hopefully feel a
lot more closer to you, and I can't wait for

(01:20:43):
them to listen to this new album. I cannot wait
and love in real life. I hope everyone goes listens
and still bad It is already my favorite. I loving it,
so thank you so much for being here, So grateful,
genuinely grateful to understand with you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Thank you so I really appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Thank you for the I don't take any of this
for granted, So thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
If you love this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode
with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how
to speak to yourself with more compassion.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
My fears are only going to continue to show me
what I'm capable of.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
The more that I face my fears, the more that
I feel I'm gaining strength, I'm gaining wisdom, and I
just want to keep doing that.

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