Tony Robbins ON: Breaking Negative Thinking & Unlock the Unlimited Potential of Your Mind

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You experienced life. You experience the part of life you
focus on right. What's wrong is always available, so it's
what's right right, And they're different kinds of focus. And
my dad's focus that day was really on what he
hadn't done. And I know that because he kept muttering
it and I hadn't take care of his family. There's
no funny for Thanksgiving. Somebody had to give us charity.
And then the second decision you make about once you

(00:20):
focus on something is what does it mean? Hey? Everyone,
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I can't wait to see you this year. Now. Today's

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guest is someone that I've wanted to sit down with
ever since I was a very young boy, and it's
extremely special to me to have this opportunity. I grew
up in a home where I was surrounded by his books,
his cassettes, his CDs. My father would be diving into them,
playing them in the car wherever he possibly could, And
I was surrounded by this man's wisdom and it had

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an impact on me both internally, externally and in so
many ways. And today I've had the great fortune of
sitting with him for this podcast and this interview. I'm
speaking about a man who needs no introduction that its
recently the number one New York Times selling author of
this book, Life Force, the one and only Tony Robins. Tony,

(02:06):
I am so honored, humbold and grateful to be in
your present, to be in your home. You've opened up
your home today this is the first time we brought
on purpose out into the wild for a guest to
be with you. But we're in your beautiful home that
you've graciously and Sage was just an amazing host and
welcome me so beautifully. And I want everyone to know

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also that I came here expecting that we were going
to do a podcast. Tony, of course, is one of
the busiest humans on the planet. We just sat down
and we spent nearly an hour together just connecting and
talking because of his kindness and generosity, and I want
people to know to hear more about it. So it's
gorgeous what you're doing here. So thanks you having me on. Well,
thank you, thank you so much. So this conversation is

(02:48):
a long time coming from the work that you've been doing.
The journey of this book doesn't start when you started
writing this book. The journey of this book for you
became something that you got focused on a long long
time ago. Yeah. True, And I wanted to focus on
one point to give people this context. You know, you're
seen as someone who's superhuman. You're able to do incredible

(03:08):
things on stage, off stage, you have a phenomenal physical, mental,
psychological presence, of a beautiful spiritual presence. But at the
same time, you talk about in this book being thirty
one years old and finding out about this brain tumor. Yes,
I want to hear about what that feels like when
you think you're doing everything right for your health. Yeah,

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and it hasn't been a point of concern, and all
of a sudden you get this news. How does that feel? Well,
it was scary, obviously. Actually it started a little singer
than that. When I was really young. I grew up
really rapidly. I've worked twenty hour days, and I was
also blessed, and I got to work with some very
important people and I got great results and they told

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other people. So at the time I was nineteen, just
almost twenty, I had become quite successful in external terms,
at least in the world. And some part of me was,
you know, the kind of the mechanism in the back
of our had that two million year old brain, right,
the fight or flight mechanism. I didn't know how to
manage that so well. And part of my brain was like, well,
maybe you'll have all this happening so quick because you're

(04:11):
going to die young. And I literally became obsessed with
not just getting hit by a truck or something. It
was cancer. I was gonna whilt away. And I I don't
know where it came from, and I knew better intellectually,
but it was there. And then the first time entered
my life was before thirty one, enter my life through
someone else, my girlfriend, and she came home crying uncontrollably,
and Jay, I mean, she was like, like, what is it?

(04:32):
What is it? My mom? My mom? And my mom
asked cancer, and then even worse, they gave her nine
weeks to live. They just sent her home. And I
think if it would have been me, I think my
fear would have overcome me. But you know, most people
will do more for people they love, whether it be
their kids or their friendly or someone else ton loop
or do for themselves. And so it's like I kicked
into gear. That's what I do. It's like, Okay, if
there's a problem, there's a solution. I said, Look, there's

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thousands of people that had stage four cancer and that
are alive today. We're gonna find out what they do.
We're gonna do the same thing that she's not gonna die.
And then I just read every book I could on cancer,
and I came across this one book called One Answer
to Cancer. It's not the book i'd recommend today because
there's so many better ones today, but it was written
by this dentist who had pancreatic cancer, which is the
most vicious cancer of all. He was given six weeks

(05:15):
to live and this is twelve years later and he's alive,
and so he laid out what he did to cleanse
his body, and it sounded radical in those days. Pancreatic endsigns.
So I went to this woman name was Jenny. She
was in her forties, and I said, Jenny, you know,
I know you don't want to die. I said, but
just going home and do nothing. Why don't you read
this book This guy was in worse shape than you
and see if you wanted to apply this. And she

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read it and she got inspired, and I gave her,
as a man thinketh to kind of work on her
head a little bit. Anyway, long story short with it.
About three weeks you could she had a tumor that
was protruding in her shoulder and the one in her
feminine organs, and you couldn't see anything. Three weeks later
on her shoulder and at the period of I think
about nine weeks when he was supposed to die, and
she looked good. She had great energy, and I literally

(05:58):
looked transformed the fan. He said, this is crazy, like,
let's do exploratory surgery. So they went in her body
and all they could find left of the cancer with
something the size of my pinky's fingernail. And so the
doctor said, this is a miracle, and she said it
is a miracle, but let me tell you what I did.
And he was like, no, no, no, this is spontaneous remission.
I don't want to hear what you did. Well you did,
it doesn't matter. But she's in her mid eighties today

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she's still alive. And that shifted me from victimhood like
oh my god, cancer could strike me down to believe it.
I'll be great, So all the more shocking. Now I'm
a total biohacker. I'm a health mat. I've got to
get on stage and do you know, twelve thirteen hours
with twenty thousand people, and I got to do the
three or four days in a row, and I make
these huge demands, but I also have this incredibly intense

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regiment and take care of myself. And then I went,
I'm a helicopter pilot. So I went to go get
my license renewed. You have to do a physical. And
I come back and I keep getting his messages from
the doctors saying my assistant saying, doctor says, got to
talk to you. And I was like, I'm leaving for
the South of France to an event. Tell him to
just send the report. And I got home this one
night and tape to my bat and my master bathroom

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bedroom door was a note from my assistant saying, You've
got to call the doctor. He says, it's an emergency.
So what do you do? What do you feel? Like? Well,
all my old fears just started flashing back. It's like,
oh my god. I mean, I treat my body's so great.
How could I have cancer? But I do fly all
the time. That's radiation. You know, your head goes crazy,
at least mine did. Yeah. But but at that time
I had also found a center in my life, and

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so I found my center. It's like, Okay, crageous person,
you know, you know, coward dies a thousand deaths. Grageous
person wants let me deal with it if it needs
to be dealt with. In the morning, I woke up
called how The doc says to me, you have a tumor,
a tumor in your brain. I was like, what are
you talking about. I came to you, I'm totally healthy.
I'm healthy as a horse. And he said, no, no, no,
He said, you have an enormous amount of growth hormones.

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So I did some tests. I said, you know, how'd
you notice the growth hormone? My hands are bigger than
your head. I wear a Site sixteen shoe. I was
five to one. I'm sixty seven and you know I
grew ten inches in a year. And he goes, no,
don't be funny. He goes, you're gonna need to hear me.
This is serious. And he said, you really need to
do this, and we'll do what you got to come
in for surgery. I was like, wait a second. I said,
you're telling me you're gonna cut me open. I said,

(08:09):
what's the prognosis. He said, well, obviously you can die,
you know any time you do a surgery that's this complex.
But he said, at your pituitary gland and he said
he said that, you know, you're probably not going to
have the same kind of energy at anymore because it'll
change your biochemistry, and I was like, well, I think
I should get a second opinion. Who would you recommend?
And he did not have a good bedside matter and

(08:30):
I didn't have a good side beside matter either. I
was a young punk kids, like, well, how you telling
me I'm gonna have to do the surgery? So I
kind of blowed off since he was such a jerk
about it, was like, I'll take care of when I
get home. And I flew to the south of France
and I did this seminar. But then you know, the mind,
you know, the mind starts going like what if he's right?
What if is this? So I went and did the
scan and I saw the look on the guy's face.

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So when I came out from an MRI and sure
enough I had a tumor there. It was interesting though, Jay,
it was a big tumor. That's why I drew ten
inches in a year, but in farked, which means it
swallowed a portion of itself up but was still there.
And he said, we still need to do the surgery.
So I went and did. I said, okay, he's a surgeon,
let me go to somebody who's a little biochemically driven.

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So I went to this man in Boston and neurobiologist,
and he was really completely a different He was super
warm and he said, look, he goes, I would never
do the surgery. It's way too risky. There's a place
in Switzerland you can go too, and you can take
an injection once every six months and you'll never have
to worry about it because what they worry about as
a gigantism. It's called and make your arteries get really

(09:32):
big and then you have a heart attack. And I said,
but doc, you just said my arteries are perfect, and
this happened twelve years ago. I said, why would I
do anything? He goes, well, we just want to be certain.
I said, well what if? What if I'm not certain?
The drugs are not gonna have side effects? You know?
He goes, well, it will really make you tired all
the time. I was like tired all the time, said

(09:53):
it my whole life. I said, I'm energy is a
source of everything for me. And he's like, oh, you're afraid.
You're like Samson, You're figuring to cut your hair. And
I said, you're damn right, I am, you know, but
he was so cool. I said, but you know, the
surgeon wants to cut, and he goes, yeah, the baker
wants to bake. He's the butcher wants to put you,
and the surgeon wants to cut and I want to
drug you. He was really cool, and I said, what
if I did nothing? He goes, but I measured it
like I'm not stupid. I go measure it once a

(10:15):
year or something. Goes, Wow, you could do that, And
thank god I did, jay because six months later the
FDA I was having to go to Switzerland because it
wasn't available in the US and the FDA never lotted
in because they found it created cancer. So I missed
a bullet. I went to five other docks, so six
and seven in total. And the last doc told me
when I wanted to hear, which was Tony, you have
a huge amount of growth hormone. But he goes you literally,

(10:38):
do you know I burned eleven thousand, three hundred calories
in one day on stage. Give you an idea. I
we've followed me for three years that followed the ONEPIC
athletes and Tom Brady and people like that, and so
they've measured everything in my body and he goes, you're
doing two and a half marathons basically, and calorie bird
in a day, and you're in four days in a
row like that. He goes, your ability to recover is insane.

(10:58):
He said, two or three days you've covered. He goes,
that's coming from that growth from one I believe, And
he said, so I know bodybuilders that are spent in
twelve hundred bucks, you know a month half what you're
getting for free. So that was when I was thirty one.
I'm sixty two. I've never had problems since I've measured it.
But it really changed my outlook. And the first one
may my outlook look like there is an answer, And

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the second one, my outlook was there's a price for certainty,
and you got to be very careful of what price
you pay to be certain. You got to find that
certainty within yourself, which I know is a lot of
what you teach and I do as well. Jack. Yeah,
thank you for walking us through that, and especially going
back a bit further as well. I think what I
find fascinating about that turning in a lot of the
work you do is why does it why do we

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as humans often wait to see, not even seeping. You
saw pain in someone else, and you try to help
solve it, and that got you working. Yeah, but why
is it that we often wait to experience pain before
we decide to change a part of our lives, make
a different choice to create a shift. Why is it
that we wait so often? Stress impression I have That

(12:02):
question was burning me because you know, I was traveling
around have the privilege of this stage of life, you know,
traveling around the earth, people from every walk of life, right,
one hundred quest countries I've worked in, and I'd see
the same problems, even though you mean different cultures, like
you know, going to an Asian culture, it's not about
the individual, it's about the group, right, But I'd still
see the same problems. And then I got obsessed with it, like, Okay,
what's the common human experience? Because I'm seeing the same

(12:24):
problems even though it's a different culture, even those different beliefs, right.
And I began to realize that there's certain human needs
and there are six that identified that I've used ever
since and it's helped me understand. And so one of
those needs is certainty, and it's the base human need,
certainty that you can avoid pain and that you can
be comfortable as the most basic need. It's a survival
need because if you have continuous pain, that's continuous damage.

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Continuous damage equals death. Right. But what happens for people
is most people that first basic need is where they live.
They don't grow another need. The second need is uncertainty
because ironically, if you're certain all the time, you're bored
out of your mind, can really uncertain, kind of freaked out.
And a balance is not it. It's the ability to
use both enter both worlds. And then there's the need

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for significance, which is a big part of our culture
today thanks to social media. That need to feel special, unique, important, right.
It can be a very positive emotion or need, it
can be very negative depending on how it's used, how
it's directed. And then there's the need for connection and love,
which everybody has, and those four needs everybody finds a
way to meeting. If you have to lie to yourself,
work twenty hour days, you're going to find certainty somehow,

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You're going to find wide variety. You're going to find
some form of significance. Some people do it by tearing
other people down. Somebody will do it by working harder.
You know it's different. You're going to find some level
of at least connection. It's not love. But the final
two what make people feel alive, which is growing everything
in the universe grows or dives, and contributing. Everything is
in the universe contributes or it's eventually eliminated by evolution.
So those are the spiritual needs. Growth and contribution, where

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you get beyond yourself. And I think that the majority
of us don't take moves because of fear, and fear
is just uncertainty. It's that base need. And when I
go around and I describe this in more detail, and
I work with a big audience fifteen twenty thousand people,
and I'll say, how them do a set of exercises
and have them figure out where do they get what
triggers them to be certain or uncertain, what triggers them
have variety and so forth. So I understand that like

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everything I do is to meet these needs. But then
I got to say, what are your top two? Not
what you think they should be, not what you want
them to be, what are they? And nine people in
our culture are certainty and significance, are significance uncertainty even
though they really want love, So they have this route,
Like if I can be successful enough, then I'll be
worthy of it, or if I can just control that

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enough and know it's that way, but you can't control love, right,
And so most people are they're trying to meet their
needs and are kind of a backwards way. And I
think that that fear, that uncertainty is what keeps the
most people from growing until they get enough pain, and
then that pushes them to a threshold where their needs
aren't being met. They got a change, and unfortunately most
people wait till they have enough pain. That's not my preference,

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sure if it's not yours, but I'm sure you've had
experiences as much as I've had where you did have
to be pushed that far to get there. Right. Yeah,
by the way, I'm so glad to ask you that question.
The best answer I've ever had. It's it's simple, but
it's it's profound as well, because usually we would say, oh, yeah,
the reason why we wait till we don't have to
change is because we're comfortable and we're okay with it.

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But really it's because you're saying, these needs keep us trapped.
Almost In fact, if you're if you're wanting to change
but not changing, it's because some of your needs are
met by what you're doing and some of them aren't.
That's why you're in that push pull. But you don't
usually do enough until you're pushed over the edge. Like
smoking a cigarette, Why does it give people comfort? Because
let's take a breath of cigarette. You take a nice, slow,

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deep breath in and take it out. It calms the
nervous system, right, It's something that they're comfortable with. It's variety.
If they're all stressed out and then they start to
breathe differently, it's variety in the body. For some people,
they did originally for significance. I'm cool, I'm smoking right today.
It's not really that cool to most people, but for
some generations, some places it is. Some people see it
there's a connection with themselves. But if all of a sudden,

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you're now in a relation ship with somebody who doesn't smoke,
and you really love them and you want their total
love and attention and they're completely disgusted by cigarettes. Now,
my needs from love, yes, right, are really strong, and
my need for this comfort is really strong. And sell
you have this push poll and then some people make
the chef. Some people don't. Yeah, absolutely well, what you

(16:19):
said to me really rung a bell for me, and
we spoke a bit about it earlier. Like I came
to a point in my life. There was one point
earlier when I when I left the monastery, where I
really struggled with my health, which I've spoken about before
but even more recently. And it's interesting you at thirty one.
I'm thirty four now, and it was probably around a
similar time thirty maybe around thirty years old, where I
realized that I had two choices. I either had to

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slow down or I had to up my focus on
my health. Right. And that's why I'm so excited about
this book for the world to read. Yeah, because you're
giving us opportunities and access to thought and ideas and
practices and medicine that can help us up our game
of our health. Often what we do is we choose
to slow down, we choose to just go, Okay, well

(17:02):
I'm just going to do less. Yeah. And you and I,
I think we both connect on the fact that actually
giving and service and contribution and making an impact on
such big needs. Yeah, that I was just like I
don't want to stop though, Like just as you said
with the energy point, I don't want to not be
able to do as much and give more, So how
do I change my health? And that simple decision, it's

(17:24):
what led me to be attracted to what you're doing
in this book, in the work in this area, talk
to a talk to us a bit about that energy piece.
In the book, you talk a lot about boosting your
energy through natural compounds. Yes, And when I was reading
about this, I was fascinated because we're not hearing about
this everywhere. If somebody would tell you five years ago
that you could reverse aging, people would laugh at you.

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But today there are billions and billions of dollars being
spent by the richest people in the world, mostly in
Silicon Valley, and some the greatest scientists in the world
have been breakthroughs in the last five years that are amazing.
So there's a man named doctor Sinclair, David Sinclair from Harvard.
It's probably the number one longevity expert in the world.
And I write about him in the book and one
thing says he's fifty three chronologically, but he's thirty three biochemically.

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I've applied what he's taught me for six months now,
since I met him, seven months maybe eight months now
and I'm sixty two, but I'm fifty one. My goals
will get it down to forty one and forty two
if I possibly can. But you know, how's that possible? Well,
there are ways of reversing. You know, everybody knows their
body's made of stem cells, I'm sure by now, And
there's ways of reversing the process of a stem cell

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literally from skin back to plury polton where it can
become anything. The man who did that was doctor Yamanaka
won the Nobel Prize for it. David Sinclair took his
work applied it to reversing the aging and he started
with mice and he took these mice that had glucoma,
so they burned out the nerves in the eyes and
those don't regrow. And he's the first time. He'll probably

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want a Nobel Prize from this. He reversed the aging
process and grew back their eyes so they have sight again.
To give you an idea, they're using gene therapy. There's
a young man that I interviewed in the book there
who was on America's Got Talent Blind who now conceived
by this gene therapy. These are the types of things
that just sound like magic. The book is filled with things. Right.
I interviewed one hundred and fifty of the smartest scientists,

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Nobel Laureates, regentitive doctors and scientists to show you what's
happening right now that you might think what happened twenty
or thirty years from now it sounds like magic, or
within thirty six months. That's what it's all really based on.
But here's what I want your audience to understand or
run energy. So everybody's heard of the genome or their DNA, right.
You can think of the genome as being like the
piano keys, but the music is played by a player,

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which is the epigenome. EPI means above. And the epigenome
is affected by your diet, your exercise, how much exposure
to radiation, etc. Well most people have heard that, But
the epigenome really is governed by seven master genes that
are called curtuans. Now your audience ys have to remember
all these names, but just stay with me. Just think
there's seven master genes that do three or four things

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that are critical. First, they convert, they turn on and
off the different genes in your body. That's the epigenome
and you turn on the wrong ones, you age too soon,
or your energy drops. So when this is fully fueled,
when those certuans are doing their job, everything happens in
the right way. Second thing they do is they reduce
your inflammation, which is the basis of most breakdown the body.

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Third thing they do, it's just critical, is they help
your mitochondria, just the energy force inside every cell in
your body, convert food into energy into ATP. It's pretty important.
And then they have a separate task that is they
clean up your DNA. So at thirty five or thirty four,
you have a certain amount of exposure, more than when
you were twenty. When you're fifty, it'll be even higher.

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At sixty, even higher. Well around forty, your stem cells
drop off the cliff. Around fifty, the certuans, the fuel
certuans drops off the cliff. And that's called an AD,
which I'm sure some of your people have heard about,
you may even spoken about. And you can do an
AD as an IV. It doesn't absorb a lot though.
An AD though, has a precursor called NMN like never,

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mother Never. I'm sure you've heard of it, and so
I've known about that, and so but I didn't understand
that if you don't have enough any and in then
the body has to decide between do I help the
body turn on epigenome, do I help it reduce inflammation
because there only so much? Do I really help it
create enough energy in the cell? Or do I clean
up the DNA. So imagine you have a mansion and

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you have a young staff and your house looks perfect
all the time because they're young and bright and they're
on top of things. Make down, no one notices they
clean it up. But as they get older and slower
and then there's less resources any d Now the mansion
starts to break down. That's aging. So what doctor Sinclair
did is figure out how to supplement that NMN and
you can go buy an amen on the you know,

(21:41):
you look on Amazon even and there's probably a list
of a dozen or so brands that do it. So
we tested six of them just for price points as
a thirty nine dollars a month one hundred and twenty
nine dollars a month, and there was no NMN in
any of them. And I asked the lab guys said,
are these people just thieves? He as well, most of
it comes from China, so I can't say for sure,
he said, but what I can tell you is much

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more likely is MMM breaks down a less than thirty days.
So but time it comes from China gets to your door,
there's nothing in it. So they built a more stable
NIMEN which we have and used. But there's something coming on.
What your audience know about a little shut up I've
talked about. So it's a company called Microbiotech and eden Rock.
This merger these two companies. They saw the power of

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NMN and they said, if you could find an M
and M that was stable and was even more absorbable,
it would transform people. So, for example, in a mouse,
they give NMN to mice and they live thirty percent longer.
So not all mice studies transfer to humans. They take
an old mouse, like a seventy year old person, be
like a twenty month old mouse. Okay, so that's an

(22:43):
old mouse, and they put them on a treadmill and
the most they can run without collapsing is about a
quarter of a kilometer. A young dynamic mouse like a
twenty one year old can run four times that a
full kilometer. Wow, fourteen days on NIMAN and the old mouse,
the seventy year old mouse will run two to three
kilometers two hundred to three hundred percent more. So again

(23:04):
I read about this, I was like, well, that really
transfer to humans. So this has been the breakthrough. It
only happened a few months ago, right before I published
the book. The Special Forces in Boston for two years
has been doing a private study that's been top secret
about using this new form of MMM. It's called MB
six two six, and it'll be available in eighteen to
twenty four months. But it got out because the commander

(23:26):
they just finished the two year study. First year was safety,
second year is efficacy, and the commander was debriefing his team.
It didn't realize there was a newspaper person in the room,
so part of it got out. It was in the
Daily Mail a couple of weeks ago also, and they
only know a part of it. I can't tell you
the things. I'm an investor in the company. I can't
tell you what's not public, but I'll tell you what's public.
What the commander said was, here's what I can tell you, gentlemen.

(23:47):
What happens with mice happens with the most powerful men
and women in the world. Mean, the most conditioned men
in the world saw a massive increases endurance just from
taking this seminen, massive increase and muscle strength without any
more stimulation, and most importantly, increased cognitive ability, which when
you're a soldier, what's going to get you to stay
alive when you're exhausted or beat up or injured or

(24:08):
complete the mission is going to be your brain. So
they're now doing studies on COVID with it, they're doing
studies with groups of forty to sixty year olds that
are unconditioned and they're seeing the same result. So in
eighteen to twenty four months, the FDA will have this
will not be a nutraceutical. This will be something go
to your doctor and imagine you get something that is natural,
but you put in your body. And now all four
of those things I told about are going full tilt.

(24:29):
Now you're turn on and off the right genes now,
inflammations coming down, you've got more energy at a cellular level,
and your DNA is being cleaned up. So that's less
than two years away from us right now. That's incredible.
So you first approach it through behavior change. Now you're
changing the actual part of Yeah, that's amazing. Yes, And
do you think though that and putting together both those

(24:51):
approaches that you've invested in from a point of view
of your whole career and what you're working on now,
how much is that change of behavior still going to
be required? Because my worry is, as you know, is
people say, Okay, I'm gonna take this pill and it's
going to drop my inflamation, but then I'm going to
eat things that create more inflammation. Like how does behavior
change go hand in hand with them? I found that

(25:11):
when people have more energy. I don't know what your
experience is, that their behaviors change. Yes, when you're low energy,
kind of lethargic, even the way you think. I mean,
look at what COVID's done by having people coped up
and not moving very much. Right, I've had a chance
to use this product. There's products available right now if
me and I've been using those, and they're very powerful,
but this one is even more visceral. I mean, you

(25:32):
feel like you're ready to buzz around. I cannot wait.
It's like it blows my mind what it does. Right,
So I think what people feel like that My experience
is they tend to develop different patterns. It's just like
if you've ever gone on a cleanse, even for a
short time, your palette changes, but all of a sudden
you don't like the things that you once like. So
my hope is for people there. But I don't just
rely on that, as you know, because I teach people

(25:53):
all the other ways to shift their life. But I
think it's important to know that there are some tools
available right now and some coming very quickly. They will
radically change the value of your health and also regardless
of your age. It's the whole idea is like to
be able to take as you get older, to stay
younger physiologically and psychologically and emotionally. Incredibly priceless. Yeah, that's

(26:14):
that's fantastic though, because that specific idea that once you've
had the taste, yes, of what energy feels like. We
all know that we make better decisions when we experience that.
And so even if that can give people that shift, yes,
this is how you could feel, this is how you
are feeling now, Yes, then we can make better choices
moving Most people. Also, if they're going to find out

(26:36):
about it, they've been pursuing something anyway, right, Yes, So
it's like someone's gonna pick up the book life for
us they're looking for answers. They want more energy or
more strength, or they want to help somebody in their family.
It's dealing with a real issue and they want to
know the best. So it's Stiken encyclopedias. Yeah, this plan.
I was like, this is an encyclopedia San Antonia. I
was like, I was reading parts of each chapter, but
this is truly an encyclopedia. By the way, the cartoons

(26:58):
make it unencyclopedia. But these are brilliant, they're hilarious, and
they truly crack you up. So one of the things
I wanted to dive into with Tony was that same
thing that I experienced, and I want to hear it
from your perspective. You've been biohacking for a long time.
What a few things that you've shifted in your behavior
that have created more energy? Yes, that shifts that actually

(27:19):
helped you expand your energy right, Like you said, you're
serving more people right now, but even when you aren't traveling,
you're moving around the world, you're coaching sports teams, you're
coaching individuals, you have groups. How have you been able
to expand your energy year over year? What are some
of the simple tweaks that people could do today while
they wait for this amazing product. Well there's products now now,

(27:41):
But for me, it's you know, I was a vegan
for about ten years and then I ate fish and
salad basically for about twelve years. So dietarily, I've always
tried to make sure that what I had was as
clean as possible to start with. Then I train like
a crazy person, you know. I do oxygen restriction training
type of things so that my capacity strong, but I'm
also trying to train so I can literally do two

(28:03):
and a half marathons on a day and then another
day and another day another day. For me, the most
important thing I think has been for me is, believe
it or not, has been a combination of hot and
cold temperatures that I use. Like I start every single
morning in the freezing water, and I do it for
two reasons. One is it moves every bit of blood
in your body and all your lemp in your system.
But also kind of train my brain to say when

(28:23):
I say go, we go. You know, it's like it's
there's never a day I look forward to going in
the water. And I have, you know, fifty six degree
water here, but at my home in Sun Valley. I
go literally through the snow and get in the river,
which is you know, like thirty nine forty degrees in
the wintertime, and but you feel so incredible when you
come out. But also it's just training your brain saying
I say go, we go. It's not like, oh, I'm
not ready yet and let me wait five minutes. And

(28:45):
that becomes a discipline in your mind for everything else
in your life, which is huge. And then, believe it
or not, saunas. Just in the last year I started
to use the saunas. They see a huge change. I've
always known about saunas using every now and then, but
there's so much research on it now and have it
book that will blow your mind. Like four days a
week in a sauna for just twenty minutes at one
hundred and sixty degrees plus, whether it's a you know,

(29:07):
a laser type sauna, red sna going in or or
a traditional one will absolutely change your health in or ways.
And you can imagine like people that don't really work out,
I can get them to do this now and they
just go sit in the sauna. But what happens It
reduces your chance of a heart attack, by over fifty
one and reduce your chance of a stroke by sixty
two percent your overall health. As we're doing I mean it.

(29:28):
And then here's the thing I've noticed. It happens that
people I get doing this, they wouldn't work out. Now
they do the sauna and they put some music on,
or they put a movie in the background or something.
And the great thing is after doing it for about
a month sweating everything else, now they want to work out.
Now they want to do something else. So I look
for the things, the quick little hacks that can make
it happen in my life. I also use cryotherapy. And

(29:48):
cryotherapy takes your body down to minus two fifty, you know,
Fahrekneit takes out like you know. I used to ic
myself because after an event I've been you know, running
up and down the stadium walls and everything else. Every
ounce of me fourteen hour on stage, twelve hours on
stage is gone and I go go ice like I
did in football, and you know, twenty minutes on, twenty
minutes off. It's painful, but I had to do it.

(30:09):
Now I go in for two and a half minutes
in a cryotherapy unit and there's no inflammation in my body.
It's just mind bogging for people who have osteouthritis. Also,
like my mother in law had such bad ostriothritis, even
medications weren't helping her, and she was crying at night,
and it's like, I gotta find an answer. That's how
I find crying. And I started ring about cryotherapy and
started ring out athletes doing it. But I started reading
what it does for osteo threat. She has no pain now, right.

(30:31):
So they're just tools and you don't have to own
one of these things. Yes, you know, I'm fortunate enough
to have one here, but you know you can go.
There's local places all over the United States, all over
the world now where you can just go in five
or ten minutes and it's amazing. People just need to
try it out. So there's lots of different tools. There's
exercises you can do that I love called osteostrong. I
invest in this company. It's a ten minute workout. Sounds

(30:53):
like total BS. This is, yes, well it also it
helps you build stronger bones, which must have been care
about bones women understand, you know, in their fifties. Osteoporosis
is really huge thing and most of the drugs will
eventually fossilize the bones. This is the only thing that's
been proven increased bone density by about fourteen percent. But
my athlete friends love it. I love it because when

(31:13):
your bones are stronger, your muscles are limited by your
bone strength, because otherwise your muscles will rip open the bone. Right,
So this is a ten and exercise. You do four
different exercises and you go to a local place. You'll
have to own the equipment, and literally you're done in
that time and you see the transformation. First time I
did this, I remember I've worked with this woman. She
was about sixty three years old, and I went to

(31:34):
Gould's gym with her because he didn't have these machines.
Then there was a way of doing it with weights.
It was a little bit spooky if you've screwed up,
because the weight was so heavy. And there was this
guy who was like, I don't know, twenty five twenty
six years old, ponytail, sweating like crazy doing the leg press,
and we had a camera crew there and she says, sir,
he took a break and he's sweat and she goes, sir,
can I just get a quick set in between you

(31:55):
and she's in normal clothes and she's like sixty two
years old, sixty few years old, and looked like she
was almost seventy. And he thought he's being punked. Right,
it gets up and she goes, could you put another
hundred pounds on? Literally another hundred pounds on? And so
there's a technique where you use an extreme amount of
weight for a short period of time and it stimulates
it because you don't get growth by working out. You
get growth by rest. But you have to have a

(32:16):
stimulus that's strong enough. And I started doing, you know,
a bench press in those days, like two hundred forty pounds,
and then all of a sudden, I bench press five
to twenty five and I did sixteen hundred pounds on
the leg press. And the guy from Goals, Jim came over.
Hep in film, and he's like, you're doing this with
your mind. It was like, no anybody, anybody can do this.
But now they have these machines so you don't have
to worry about the weight being too heavi or dropping

(32:37):
on you. So there are these little tools that can
make you stronger, make you faster. And then there's simple
things I never did, like I was working on the
sleep chapter at six twenty five in the morning, and
I had to be up in two and a half hours, Like,
what's wrong with this picture? Because my whole thing was
on My wife loves the sleep eight hours, nine hours,
should be thrilled. My thing is all sleep when I die, right.

(33:00):
But then while I was doing the research for this book,
I met this doctor who's top neurobiologist over it up
in northern California. He works for Google and everybody else.
He's considered the top sleep doctor in the world. And
he says, Tony, I think I can convince you. And
I said, good luck, give me your best shot. And
he said, well, I did a study. We got a

(33:20):
study with one point six billion people on sleep. I go,
you couldn't have possibly coordinated that, and he goes, I
didn't have to. It's all the countries, seventy countries that
have daylight savings times. And he said, here's what you
gotta His name is doctor Walker. He says, He says, Tony,
all you gotta do is look at the real numbers.
Let me show you the numbers. And he showed me
that for three days after we spring forward, you lose
one hour and every country in the world, on average

(33:41):
heart attacks increased twenty four percent. And when we fall
back and you get one extra hour all around the
world in seventy countries on average twenty one percent decrease
in heart attacks. And then he does the same stats
on accidents and everything else. And then he showed me
stats that show, you know, a man that slept four
and a half five hours a night like I was doing,
usually at testosterone levels by somebody's ten years older than

(34:03):
where I got my attention. So it's a combination of sleep,
it's a combination of the right diet, it's a combination
of the right stimulus of exercise. It's really doing those
fundamentals that make a difference for you, and then it's
doing these cool things like stem cells that completely changed
my life. Yeah, what do you think? Having said that,
what do you think is the greatest human skill? Not habit,

(34:25):
but mindset and skill. That's a great question. I don't
know if I got the what the great there's so
many It depends on what you want out of your life, right, Yeah,
but I think the ability to manage your own mind
and emotions is probably one of the single most importance
and maybe The second is the ability to influence others,
because that's what makes you a leader, and hopefully you're
doing that for a higher good, because there are all
kinds of leaders, as you know. But I think I
don't think most people are very good at emotional fitness.

(34:49):
Most people are just not as happy as they could be.
You know, I did one book, money Master the Game.
It's kind of like this, only in what I did
in that case is I interviewed, you know, fifty of
the smartest financial people the world Wade Value our icon
Warm Buffett, and at a fifty of them. And I know,
again it's in my judgment. I could be completely wrong,
and I spent a lot of time with them. Some

(35:09):
have become really good friends. There's probably four or five
that are really happy people. Oh well, money makes people unhappy.
Not to do with money. Money makes you more of
what you are, just magnifies. If you're mean, you have
more to be mean with. If you're kind, you have
more to give, you know. But I think that most
people are just they haven't learned to manage what's going inside.
Doesn't matter how much abundance they have, they're still and happy.
We've all seen people that great comedians that have killed themselves.

(35:32):
Anthony Bourdain, beautiful man traveled the world, killed himself. You know,
you know fashion designers that have done it. We've all
seen all these different people, Kate Spade, and it's like
what they had everything, except they didn't master what's going
on here and here and again. You know, this is
why you lived your life the way you have as well.
So I think that skill set is the most important one.
And that's why even in the book, my last two chapters,

(35:53):
I make it the most important, because it's really about
the power of the mind. Because like everybody knows about
Placebo's right, they're only discovered in World War two, and
it was discovered by accident. This doctor ran out of
morphine and he's treating these these people that are badly injured,
and you know, you need the morphine not just so
they're out of pain, but say they don't go into shock.

(36:15):
And the actual person who discovered this gets no credit
was a nurse because the nurse hand him a syringe
and said we've got some more morphine. So he believed it,
and he said, you'll be out of pain, and just
less than a minute he injected them and in every case.
None of them went in a shock. Ninety percent of
them were out of pain, and they used nothing. It
was sailing right. So after World War Two he went

(36:36):
back to Harvard and he was the person that created
what we now considered being the double buying studies, which
are always compared to a placebo. Right. And what most
people don't know is the bigger the placebo intervention, the
more powerful the mind believes in. So a small pill
is less effective than a big pill. An injection is
more powerful than a pill in terms of its effectiveness.
The most powerful is a sham surgery. The Veterans Administration

(37:00):
did a study and they did on people doing knee
surgeries and they took one third of the people and
they just cut them open, nesticize them, and sell the backup.
Did nothing. A year later, this group, the group that
had no surgery, had the least amount of pain, the
most amount of flexibility, most about it. So they stopped
funding those surgeries. To give you an idea, but that's
how powerful it is, and so when you it's even

(37:22):
more than Harvard did a study where they took barbiturates
maybe these big red pills, and said this is an
amphetamine you need to prepare your body because you're going
to speed up. It didn't give them something fake. They
give him an actual drug that slows the body down,
and the body sped up. So most people don't understand
the power of the mind. And so what I try
to do is show people, even in this book, here
are the things that you can do to take control

(37:43):
of your mind. Because if you take care of your
body and then you don't take care of your mind
and emotions, you got me miserable. Yeah, who cares? Yeah?
What spot? That question was something you said. You said
that you start your morning by jumping in the cold.
That's right, and you never feel like doing it, and
you said that, I just say to my body, it's
time to go. And that's the question because I was like,
that's a really interesting skill that you've trained yourself to

(38:04):
be okay with discomfort. Yes, you're training yourself as your
first skill of the day is yes, I am okay
with uncomfortable things. Yes, And I know I can get
through the yes. And that to me is what sounds
like a really important part of emotional fitness. It is
because unless you can push through discomfort, thost things that
are going to give you the greatest reward required discomfort initially, right,

(38:26):
and the discomfort it's like, you know, my original teacher
Germon you mus to always say, you know, there's two
pains in life, the pain of discipline or the pain
of regret. He goes discipline ways, ounces regret waste tons,
you know. And so I've trained myself to do that,
and then then I meditate. Then I always make an
acknowledgement call briefly or leave a voicemail for someone just
because to spark the day. And then I do. The

(38:46):
first thing I do is always whatever is the most difficult, yes,
because then the momentum for your day and when you
train your brain to do it's difficult first, then emotional
fitness just comes naturally, and more importantly, so does achievement.
So does your ability contribute to other people? Because I
have one hundred and five, but he's now a gived idea.
I managed thirteen of them directly, you know, ongoingly. And
you know, there are all kinds of different industries from

(39:06):
AI to you know, my resorts in Fiji to sports
teams zone, and I mean it's insane the ecotomy of
all we're doing. Seven billion dollars in business. So I
got to do that while I'm being a good dad
to five kids and five million kids, while I'm taking
care of my body, while I'm living my normal mission.
So if I don't take care of my body and
my energy and my mind, I mean, you'd be overwhelmed

(39:28):
by all the demands because listen, all I gotta do
is pick up my phone, and you're gonna have all kinds.
Oh that's good ship, that's it, because you know, what
are the chances with thousands of employees on three four
tender continents now that somebody's messing up. If messing up
is not but I think they should be doing, it's
one hundred percent. So I'd always be in reaction until
I train my brain to say, now, you know, problems
are a sign of life and all they are challenges

(39:50):
to be solved. And what makes you a great leaders
you ability to solve problems or teach teams to build
a culture where they can solve problems. And so it
gives me this tremend this creativity and flexibility. But I've
got the base of energy to make it work. Yes, yes, exactly.
And you've given yourself a permission to say this, this
matters first, before we get lost in the seven billion

(40:12):
and one hundred and five companies and all of that.
And I think that permission is often the toughest party.
But one of the things that stood out to me
was I sat down and this was a really beautiful
answer that I want to share with you because I
think it will spark where I want to go next.
I interview a lot of Navy Seals, and I liked
sitting down with people have had extreme experiences because I
feel that extreme experiences have opened up different parts of

(40:36):
the brain, different parts of the body that we've ever
had and the spirit and the spirit too exactly. And
one of the people I sat down with was Jocko Willink. Yes,
you know, he's been a leader for twenty five years
and incredible Navy seal, highly accomplished, and I asked him
and we were on zoom right. This was during the pandemic,
so I didn't even get to have this with him,
and that's what I'm so grateful for this too. I
sat with him and I said to him, I said,

(40:58):
you've done everything that difficult and uncomfortable potentially known to
human beings in your field. Once the most difficult thing
you've ever done. And I didn't. I didn't know what
to expect, and I never do. I try not to
project or predict what I think someone's going to say.
And he said to me, said, the most difficult thing

(41:18):
that I've been through is watching a fellow trooper go
down next to me and having to carry on the
mission without getting the moment to save, to mourn, to hold,
to carry egoes that just have to continue the mission. Yeah,
and there was just an answer that, you know, he
could have said, Oh, it was like standing in the

(41:40):
cold water. I was doing this, I was doing that,
And so I wanted to ask you, what was the
most difficult thing when you know all this and you've
seen someone's pain and either they weren't willing to apply it,
you saw them too late. Has there been someone in
your life that you're like, I had all these tools
to help them with, but they weren't ready to receive
all that. It wasn't accessible at that time for them.

(42:02):
Has there been that or or have you found that
you've always found a way to get through and not
even you personally, I mean in your personal life too. Yeah,
I first of all identify, I agree with what Jacques
told you, which is, you know, dealing with the loss
of someone you care about is probably the most difficult
thing of all. I would say maybe as a child
seeing the level of frustration between my parents, you know,

(42:23):
I had four different fathers, and watching them kind of
you know, accept whatever life gave them as It's why
a lot of my drive came about is seeing my
fathers be berated by my mother, who I love dearly,
and just watching them break down, like you know, probably
the single most painful event of my life but also

(42:44):
shaped me in such a beautiful way, was when I
was eleven years old. We had no money for food
and it was Thanksgiving, which in America's big holiday feast.
And so we've been without food before. We have crackers
and butter, you know, we survived. But we were gonna
have a Thanksgiving feast. And there's knock at the door
and I go to the door and there's this giant
guy there with groceries in each hand, and he had
a pot beside him on the ground with an uncooked turkey,

(43:05):
and I just like, I said, who are you here for?
He goes, I'm like, speak to your father, and my
mom and dad were yelling at each other, saying things
that you can never take back. And I'm trying to
make sure my younger brother and sister are They're five
and seven years younger wouldn't hear any of this. And
that day changed my life because I thought it was
gonna be the most exciting day. Dad. Dad, go to
the front, what is it that it's for you? You answered, no,

(43:27):
it's for you, and I remember opened the door and
I was just so excited to see my father be happy,
like we're gonna have a feast. This is going to
be incredible. And he got angry and he's like, we
don't accept charity. He went to slam the door, and
the man's face and the man's foot was there, so
bounced off his foot. He's still open the groceries. He's like, sir,
I'm just the delivery guy. He said, it's it's not charity.

(43:47):
Everybody has a tough time. Someone bought this and they're
sending it to you as a gift. And my father said,
we don't take charity. Goes to close the door again.
This time the guy's shoulder was there also, so it
bounced off again, and then I was standing right there
and there's this moment I'll never get where the man
looked at my father and he looked at me and
he said, sir, don't let your ego make your family suffer.

(44:10):
And the veins of my dad's face on the side
of his neck. I'll never forget the bulge I like,
his face turned around. I thought I was gonna punch
him in the face. And then there's this moment my
dad's shoulders dropped, he took the groceries, slammed the door,
didn't say thank you, and stormed off. And I always
remember thinking, like, how come he's not happy? You know,
you talk about pain. It's like, I love my father

(44:31):
so much. And there's basically three decisions that I think
everybody makes in their life that, whether aware of it
or not, moment to moment. I figured this out afterwards
because I was so obsessed with what's wrong, because he
eventually left our family, and that was the most painful
thing I ever have. So it's like feeling like I failed,
you know, I blame myself, like why couldn't he get
through to my father? You know, I was eleven years old.

(44:52):
But later on it helped me understand that three decisions
are First, you're gonna side what to focus on. Every
moment of your life, there's something grabbing your focus and
you don't life you experienced the part of life you
focus on right. What's wrong is always available, so is
what's right right, And they're different kinds of focus. And
my dad's focus that day was really on what he
hadn't done. And I know that because he kept muttering it.

(45:13):
You know, I hadn't take care of his family. There's
no funny for Thanksgiving. Somebody had to give us charity.
And then the second decision you make about once you
focus on something is what does it mean? Is this
the end of the beginning. I think it's the end
of a relationship you're gonna behave different than it's the beginning. Right.
My dad's meaning was that he was worthless. And so
then the third decisions what do I do, which whatever

(45:33):
meaning come up with creates the emotions which affects what
you do. And what do you say to do? Is
leave our family? But for me it was like, this
is amazing. I mean, you know we haven't having thanksgivings.
You know this is incredible. We got food. What a concept?
And then the meaning, though, is what changed my whole life,
which was Wow Stranger's care that completely changed my life.

(45:54):
That painful experience, I couldn't deny that somebody who wanted
no credit delivered those food to my family. And so
what I decided to do is say, someday, I'm going
to do this for another family. So when I was seventeen,
I had two families, and it was a euphoric experience.
I went in jeans and a T shirt in and
go like the delivery guy. But I wanted to see
the face of the people. And then next year was

(46:15):
four people, and then it was eight. I literally my
thing was doubling a little company. And then I got
to a million people a year, and I got to
four million people a year. Then I was doing money Master,
the game, I mean, the being these billionaires Jay, and
I'm watching Congress cut food stamps. It's not called the
Snap program by I think it was six billion dollars.
So every family that actually needs food, and my family
was one of those. Back then, they all have to

(46:37):
come up with a week's worth of food out of
every month. So I was like, I called my team
and I said, how many people have I fed my lifetime?
I didn't know there was forty two million meals. I
was like, it's pretty cool. And I was like, what
if I fed fifty million people like my entire lifetime
in one year? And there's like what if I did
a HydroD menion? What if I fed a billion people
in ten years? So that was seven years ago. Were
at eight hundred and fifty million meals. Right, I'm gonna

(46:59):
hit the billion early than my promised and targeted and
then I've got a sustainable approach. But I tell you
that because my worst day was my best day. The
most painful day of the day, where I felt like
I'd do the least, where I felt impinite, led me
to have new understandings, new skills, new capacities, new drives,
new hunger. I mean, would I really be feeding one
hundred million people a year, one hundred million meals a

(47:20):
year if I was well fed as a child. Probably not.
And I'd love to believe I'm such a perfect person,
but no, I'm just I just know what suffering feels like.
So I don't want anybody else to suffer, you know.
So I think sometimes the suffering experiences of our life,
if we don't let them crush us, we let them
drive us. They actually become the best day in your
life and taking your worst day and making your best day.

(47:41):
It's a beautiful target for anybody. That that is just
it's magical. Even hearing it, that's magical experience. Yeah, exactly,
I can only imagine, like just hearing it, I'm just
you know, it's such a beautiful visual, so to live
it is just you know, on the other end of that,
thank you for sharing that so much. Yeah, it's so
profound and so wonderful. With the with the questions, that's

(48:03):
when you see, you see there's grace in life too.
It's like if you can, like I always to think
in the early days, because my mom was beautiful. She
was the most influential person in my life. And yet
she also when she drank alcohol and took prescription medication,
she got crazy. So she smashed my head against the
multipe ladder of Feee liquid soap. And I never told
me me about some when she's alive. But I had

(48:25):
this group of young kids that I could see. The
tall white guy who seems to be quite successful. You know,
what does he know? So I told him the whole story.
But out of all that It's like if my mom
had been the mother I wanted her to be, yeah,
I'd probably not be the man I'm proud to be. Yes,
Like I had to grow. I had to become a
practical psychologist at eleven to manage her so that like

(48:45):
brother and sister weren't messed up. And it's like there's
grace and everything. And I always think it's like, it's
our job to realize the life's happening for us, not
to us, and to find how it's happening for us.
That's our job. If we do that, then we have
a magical life. If we don't, but if your energy
is low and you're exhausted, then you don't. You don't
find those empowering meanings. Yeah, you know that's why to me,

(49:06):
you can't separate the mind and the body. You got
to feed the mind and strengthen the body on a
daily basis in some way, and if you do that,
life can be pretty miraculous. Yeah, and I did that
for too long. I can actually relate to that. It
was my wife that turned me onto the body because
I was one of those people that focused on the
mind and the spirit right, And as I shared with you,
earlier ignored the body because I thought, well, I'm young,

(49:27):
I've always been healthy. I don't really know what physical
health looks like. And then my wife is a nutrition
and dietitianist and I already health counselor. She comes into
my life and she's just like, you need to do this, this, this, this, this,
you need to change this in your diet. And I'm thinking,
why are you asking you to change? But it was
so fascinating to me because it's exactly what you just said.
You can't disconnect the two. And going on that, you

(49:48):
said focus in mood about your father. You have a
whole section in here dedicated to focus in moody. Walk
us through that, because what you just explained to us
is the emotional focus and moody of your father, but
here talking about how the physicality of focusing mood can
affect that they go together. To give an example, how
powerfully offer the psychological side. Right now, you don't have
to out of COVID. So many people have been shut

(50:10):
down terrible place, and you know, I'm sure you've seen
that drug overdoses at the largest they've ever been in histories,
over one hundred thousand people last year suicides. One out
of four kids under the age of thirty, according to
the CDC. Whether they're accurate not, I don't know, have
considered suicide sometime in the last two years. Because we
all need a compelling future, we need to look something
look forward to. So Stanford came to me and their

(50:32):
genetics lab has been doing research on depression, and what
they found was that by doing meta studies, is only
forty percent of the people who go in for therapy,
who they get drugs and therapy together, usually only forty
percent make any improvement. Sixty percent don't improve at all.
That's not a lot more than what you can get
on some placebos. And so they approached me and said,

(50:54):
a couple of people went through one of your programs.
One was clinically depressed. They're not anymore, but we don't
have any sigience on this. Would you be one little
less to do a science test? And I said sure.
So they came out to the state with Destiny seminar
I do, which helps people to change their values and
belief structures. I don't tell them what they need to be,
they figure out what it needs to be and it
changes the way you perceive life, the way you experience life,

(51:15):
how you feel, what you do. It's a rewiring of
your model of the world, basically in six days, and
so they said, we're going to model this after the
greatest breakthrough we found in science and no one able
to fall up on. About two years ago, JOHNS. Hopkins
did a study on depression I think, gave people psilocybin, right,
which comes from magic mushrooms, and they did therapy for
thirty days, and at the end of it, fifty three

(51:38):
percent of the people were depression free. Thirty days later
never happened. When we say forty percent are helped, the
average amount of help is fifty percent less depressed, right,
That's what the averages. Some people will completely turn around,
some people in roll in this one fifty three percent
of the people, so it's four times the result of
any drug that's ever been done. But unfortunately psilocyban's not legal,
so they're still working on them. So we're gonna copy

(52:00):
that exact study and we're gonna have a group that
they compared to, which is didn't go to the seminar.
The comparison group is going to do gratitude journaling and
so forth. Because positive psychology talks about that, and they said,
that's probably what this seminar does is just positive thinking. Well,
the cool thing was when they came out the results
were so amazing at Stanford that they went and had
two new additional double blind people do the research because

(52:21):
it just seems so ridiculous. At the end of the
first week, sixty three percent of people had had no
depression symptoms. At the end of six weeks, it can
increase through time, one hundred percent of the people had
no depression symptoms, nineteen percent of the people had suicidal ideation,
zero had suicidal ideation, and blows away any study. It

(52:44):
just came out. It's coming out next week in the
psychiatric journal, which is Journal Americament Association psychare Journal, or
the two top journals in the field. They can't even
believe it, so they're going to do more. And the
actual scientific article says, this is more powerful than any
drug therapy or any forms of normal therapy combined. And
what are we doing. We're getting people to change basically
those three questions to some extent, because your values control

(53:07):
what you focus on. If you're security driven and you're
here down to my basement right now, you're like, where's
the exit? Right? You came down to slide, like, how
do I get out of here? Right? If you're adventure driven,
you don't care. You don't even know where it is.
So your focus is controlled by your values and your
belief systems. Right, the meaning of things is controlled by
your belief systems. So those three decision making things. You know,

(53:28):
what I'm going to focus on doesn't mean what I'm
going to do shift. And one good example this Jay
is maybe your audience can relate to this because if
we just took three patterns, So let's say focus. Most
people have a focus either on what they have or
what's missing. We both, we all do both. But what
do you think most people focus on more often what
they have or what's missing? What's missing? That's right now?

(53:50):
Even achievers do that. I it's not to like somebody
who's not successful. It's one of the reasons you see
these achievers that no matter what they do, it's never
enough because think about it, if you're always focusing what'sing
from your life, how can you sustain happiness. It's software
that will not allow that. You'll feel happy for a
little moment that your nose is missing again, what do
you think it is? More often people focus on what

(54:10):
they can control or can't control, what they can't control. Yeah,
and my seminars it's can control. That's why they go,
I want to learn how to control my body, or
my finances or my business, whatever it is. So it's
the opposite. But the average person it's what they can't control.
And with COVID there's so much you can't control around
you that people really sunk in that. Well, how someone
I'm going to feel? Just everyone think about it. If

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you're constantly focused on what's missing from your life and
what you can't control, and then all add one more?
Do you focus more on the past, the present or
the future? We all do all three, but we tend
to have one we focus more on or do you
think more people focus? That's right, and achievers focus on
the future, and happy people on the present, so so

(54:53):
that you know if you're going to be achiever. The
ideal is the presence. You experience it, anticipate in the future,
so you can shape your life. Right the past you
can change. So I ask people in seminars, you got
stadium fifteen twenty thousand people and they'll say, how many
of you know somebody that takes enter depressants and they're
still depressed. And eighty percent of the room raised their
hand saying mey know, somebody, Wow, Well, how come? Because

(55:14):
all enterpressants do is numb you so that you're less intense,
But they don't deal with the source of the problem,
which is you're constantly seeing what's missing, and it doesn't
matter whether you're successful or not. That's why there are
these people that have been wealthy and think their own life.
They see what's missing. They focus on all the things
they can't control. There's plenty we can't control, but there's
plenty we can influence, and plenty we can't control. Just
a couple of changes like that completely change someone's life.

(55:35):
And so those changes in the beliefs and values change
what they look moment to moment, change their experience of life.
They're no longer depressed. Yeah. The biggest thing that I
learned from that, apart from all the incredible stuff you said,
is I didn't think about security once when we came
down to life. That's either because I trust you a lot.
If it was someone else telling me to get down

(55:57):
this life, I don't know if I would have done it.
But now and now I'm like, oh wait a minute, underwater.
Now I've started to have all that's incredible. That's yeah,
that's those questions are fascinating to me. And you were
saying that the people that come to your seminars or
people out of the opposite, and I think the same
of the people I listened to this podcast. They're choosing
to listen to this podcast because they were just watching

(56:17):
a show or binge watching another series. They're here trying
to take charge of that. What kind of assurance can
you give them that that mindset is one that they
should keep watering Because I feel that often, and you've
probably heard this in your seminars time and time again.
People are tony. I'm trying, I read the book, I'm
trying to put into practice, but I still keep failing,
or I still keep struggling. Someone who's already on but

(56:41):
feels that failure, that rejection, that that pushback. What can
keep them going? I think it's understanding there's no replacement
for persistence, as simplistic as that is. It's like, you know,
disappointment either destroys you or drives you, and you have
to decide which one it's going to be. If you
don't consciously decide, there's always going to be more yes
for you to deal with. And I think, but that's

(57:02):
why I think. You know, when I do my events,
the reason I do the twelve hours a day not
because I like talking. It's just that I can tell
you something all day long, or I can get you
to build the muscle. And the building a muscle is
like experiencing. And I always tell people a belief, a
beliefs of poor substitute for an experience, like I gotta
have a belief about you, but I experience you, so
I get to know who you are. Right, The same

(57:22):
thing is true, is like you have a belief about China,
have a belief about working out. So I try to
get people experiences that are so profound. And then you
know the studies they do. They found people twelve months
later or eleven months later, they're still in the middle
of COVID. They did my digital seminar, and then you know,
they measured my body like the amount of times I jump.
I jump a thousand times in a day and I
made two hundred and two pounds and I come down

(57:43):
four times the body weight. So it's a thousand pounds
times a thousand pounds of pressure. I am my lactic acid.
If you've ever been with a friend and you're running
and you can't talk the point you can't talk, as
a level four of lactic acid, I'm in an eighteen
is still speaking. So they decided to do that on
my audience, and they found an interesting path. It's the
same group that works with some of the you know,
Super Bowl champions and some of the Stanley Cup champions

(58:05):
and so forth. There's a ratio in the body of
testosterone versus cortisol, the stress hormone, and when the ratio
is balanced, they call it the championship bloodline, our bloodstream.
It literally gets you to follow through. So when they
did my audience in My Life seminar, they found that
people literally mirror me all the way through the experience.
That's phenomenal chemically penal. But we did it. We did it,

(58:28):
you know, because all of a sudden overnight they said
to me, you know, we're going to San Francisco, and
the governor California says you can only have ten people,
and we got fifteen thousand. So I was like, we'll
go to Vegas they'll never shut down Vegas. They shut
down Vegas. I was like, okay, we'll do fifteen hundred
movie theaters with ten people in him. They shut down
the movie theaters. Like okay, we'll go to a church
in Lusten. I got a buddy, I'll rentist church forteen
fifteen thousand people. They're not going to keep Costco open

(58:50):
and shut down the church. They kept Costco and shut
down the church. So I finally said, okay, I'm not
gonna do some crappyable webinar. So I got this vision.
I'm gonna build this facility with twenty foot I led
screens fifty feet wide all around me. I'm gonna call
Eric you on at zoom when to get them from
a thousand up to twenty five thousand people, so I
could interact with people live in real time. When a
build an app, so they can shake it, and the

(59:11):
more people do it, the louder it gets, so it's real.
So I built this whole thing. So now we're doing
bigger events than ever in our entire history. But they
did the same measurements on them in different parts of
the world, and so the exact same mirroring process and
the average person, Yeah, seventy one percent of the they
had seventy one percent drop in negative emotions, fifty three

(59:33):
percent improvement and positive emotions, and eleven months later, in
the middle of COVID, it held because it's a biochemical change.
So when people say, oh, I'm trying, I that's I
write books because it's it's an easy entry point to people.
There's so much you can learn from a book, but
there's nothing like the experience. That's why I do the events,
and like the last two years because of COVID, I

(59:54):
did two, like six day three events. We had eight
hundred thousand people at ten for six days just four
weeks ago, because I just wanted people to have answers
where they are. And then people start to see they
get momentum. But it's hard to do just reading something
or watching a couple of you know, you know, twenty
minute or fifteen minute or five minute little pieces on YouTube.
Those are great, they might inspire you, but a transformation

(01:00:17):
requires immersion. It's like if you ask average person, did
you study a foreign language in school? And most people, oh, yeah,
high school of college speak it. They don't. But if
you turn around and you said, okay, what if you
want to learn Italian and I just took you to
Rome and dumped you off for six weeks with no teacher,
you're gonna come back six weeks later, or speaking you
know Italian. So it's immersion and if you want to

(01:00:40):
master something. I think that's the thing most people don't do.
They read a little bit, they listen little bit, They
dip in and out. They don't go day and night,
night and day in total immersion and something that transforms
them and also something that makes them push through their fears. Yes,
because in the end that's the only thing that stops
with everybody's got a story. I didn't know this person.
I don't have the resources they have, all the things
they don't have. But if you're resourceful, you can get

(01:01:03):
the money, you can get the time, you can get
the energy, you can get anything you want. And you've
got to get over your fear to be resourceful. So
we do experiences that are so physiologically profound that those
fears do not stop you anymore. And that's what that's
how we get people to get you know, ten years later,
they're still transformed from an experience that was one weekend.
The fact that people are mirroring you. That That is

(01:01:26):
mind blow. It is a screen too. Yeah. You know
what's really cool about the screens is like, if you're
in my seminar, you're in a giant stadium and I'm
a dot. I mean, most people watching me on a
screen anyway, right, unless you're in the front rows. And
but you know, I can see your eyes and feel
what's going on. I'm running around the building here, I
can scan so many people and I see them in

(01:01:47):
their home, I see them with your children. I see
the interaction with their husband or their wife. I see
what they're eating. You know, it's just it's I and
I'm within twelve thirteen hours a day for three or
four days. And we start here, for example, ten am
and one hundred ninety five countries. So we got one
for twenty five thousand people March seventeenth to the twentieth here,
and we will have people in Australia starting at midnight

(01:02:08):
well and going to one in the afternoon the ex
day for four days, and people in Italy are doing
a different times. So it's like we literally have the
whole world engaged. So that's been the bussing of COVID
It's like always tell people you use stress or stress
us as you. Right, I had to figure out how
to use COVID and I wanted to serve people. We
found the way. But again, none of this happens you
when I'm mout of energy, Yes, because your brain will

(01:02:29):
just go, oh man, I've tried everything. Yeah, you Bill,
get yourself. And I love. The thing I love about
immersion and events or retreats is that you actually build friendships.
Like the community. That's community for sure, the community of
that accountability. If we're doing this together, we're running together,
we're building together that there are people who think like
me and look like me. I'm intrigued Tony, at this
stage in your life, what do you look for in
a friend? I mean a friend? Yeah, that's interesting question. Yeah,

(01:02:53):
most of my friends are people that are unbelievably driven
to contribute. I mean, I think you know, if you
want to extraordinary life, like you don't have to do
that much to have a good life for yourself. So
it's like most of us. If you find something you
care about more than yourself, and I know you know
what I'm talking about, Jay, and you want to serve
something like you and I both. I think see what
we do as a calling, it's a it's not a

(01:03:15):
work per se as work. I don't need to work
another day in my life, but I'm called, you know.
So I think my friends are people that are called
and my friends are people that are funny because I
love to laugh, but they're just I love. I'm a
kind of guy. I'm so easy. If I go to
a movie and somebody sacrifices and does the right thing,
you know, I cry my eyes out. It's just like

(01:03:36):
I've done since I was a little boy. There's something
inside me that just says, that's the goodness of the
human spirit, you know. And so my friends are people
that are made up of that basically. And I have
friends that are incredibly successful, the best in the world
if they do. I have a lot of friends that
are eighteen years my senior, twenty years my senior, and
I've known them since they were, you know, forty five,
and now they're seventy five or eighty, and so they've

(01:03:58):
given me kind of see the road ahead. Everybody's path
is different, but the road of life changes, and I'm
I'm you know, I'm in a stage in my life
now where I'm I'm able to mentor people at a
different level, you know, just because I've had so many
life experiences them to take it to history. You know,
I've been there with Gorbachev at the point when he's

(01:04:19):
trying to figure out what to do, or Princess Diana
when she's deciding does she want to no longer be
a princess? You know, I've had some wild experiences the
greatest athletes in the world at key moments in their careers.
So I've had these cool tickets to history which have
put things in such a perspective that when stuff happens
that upsets people, it's like, you know, I've compared to

(01:04:39):
what it's like, you know, it's it's pretty simple compared
to what most people happen to go through. So I
felt really blessed. But I hope people in the book.
One of the things I hope people pick up that
you know, young people don't think about very much is testing.
I was never personally kind of like you with your wife, right,
I'm gonna do this thing and then in order to perform,
I've learned every iohack, but like I don't want to

(01:05:01):
get in the the system to get measured but today there's
some amazing tests. So like I used to be afraid
of cancer, there's a brand new test. The one thing
in common the book I should mentioned is I tell
you all these stories of these amazing evenings that have
created these breakthroughs, and what they all have in common,
these huge breaks some of which took twenty or thirty
years and are just now available, They all lost somebody.

(01:05:24):
They lost a life, or a husband or a child,
or a close patient, and it drove them not to
accept the standard of care and find a new solution.
And so one of those is this test called GRAIL.
It's a simple blood test anybody can do now, just
came out nine months ago, eight months ago, and it
allows you to test your body for any cancer in
your body. And is the why is that important? Because

(01:05:45):
the National Cancer Institute did a study and they found
that if you get diagnosed at stage two, three, or four,
you have an eighty percent chance of dying. I prefer
I have a twenty percent chance of living. And figuring
that out, but their point is well made. It's hard
to turn around. If you get a stage one or two,
you have an eighty to nine nine point nine percent
chance of living, so we're with cancer is going to

(01:06:06):
affect most people in their lifetime. To be able to
do a quick blood test or an MRI for those
pieces and know exactly what's going your body is amazing.
We had a doctor, a gentleman who came to one
of our centers and he had already had its physical
and his wife said, I want you to have the
very best and he's like, I've already done. He had
a really negative attitude bat it, which we understood, and
one of the docs said, listen, let's do the Grail

(01:06:28):
test on you. He'd already had your analysis, blood test,
traditional physical and a guy end up having bladder cancer,
but it was really early, so it was a twenty
minute outpatient procedure. He has no cancer. If he wouldn't
have caught it, you got a real problem. Another one
is it's called a CCTA scan. It's brand new. It's
one of my doctor friends and one of partners in

(01:06:50):
one of my businesses called me up and he says
Tony and he's like, mister understated. He built twelve hospitals
and then he sold them because he wants to be
in prevention and regeneration and he says Tony. There's been
one of the greatest breakthroughs in cardiology that I've seen
the last ten years. You got to come check it out.
What is it? He goes When a doctor does a
CT scan, usually don't get that unless you've got a problem.
There's a lot. It's hard to read those scans. They're

(01:07:11):
very gray. If your very skills still miss it. But
there's this new scan now that uses AI and it
literally opens every artery in your body because what they're
looking for is soft plaques. Soft plaques can break off,
and it's called the widow Maker. You give your heart
attack or a stroke if you're and it happens to
people now thirty five forty years old. It's happening younger
and younger because the lifestyles that we've taken on. But

(01:07:32):
what's interesting is hard and calcium, which is what they
see when they do just a traditional it's healed. So
I've heard about it that I'm gonna go do the scan,
and I took my father in law with me because
he's eighty years old, and you know people around you
when you get older start saying you should organize your affairs.
And I could just see his energy drop. He's a
great guy. Anyway, I took him, did the scan. He's perfect.

(01:07:53):
He's absolutely perfect, and his entire attitude change. Plus you know,
we have the stuff we do for a lot of
the great athletes think their careers over where they scan
nary where you've had an injury, and they use ultrasound,
and then they use this fluid avenue fluid and they
open up the channels so that a nerve that's been
trapped or some area heels or hals and minutes and
so my father in law has also had this hip problem.

(01:08:13):
If held this hip problem in thirty minutes, his heart's perfect.
We get on the air, playing the way home and
he looks at me. He goes, you know, Tony, these
people talk about living one hundred, ten and or twenty.
I don't know about that, but I could live another
twenty years. I got a great heart, I got this
great pony that he's like, and I'm walking perfectly. He goes,
You've only been married my daughter twenty two years. That's
like another lifetime, you know. And so what I love

(01:08:34):
is what it does for people. And then and then
the same thing with hormones. You know, when somewhere between
thirty five and forty, sometimes early forties, hormones start to
change radically. Women are more tuned to hormones, but they've
learned hormone replacement therapy. But like I had a guy
that came is thirty nine years old, gained like I
don't know, I think it was like thirty five thirty

(01:08:56):
eight pounds or something like that, really working out hard,
making no progress us lost his sense of drive. And
we said, well, if you look at your hormones, he goes, yeah,
my doc, look at myr hormones. Mormons are fine. When
we look at the blood test and his hormones, I
think we're His testosterone was like one sixty. Most men
don't feel alive, but unless they have seven to eight hundred,
some as much as a thousand. So he doesn't need

(01:09:17):
replacement technically to be alive, but to have his body functioning,
and ideal was missing. So all he did a small
amount of testosterone total transformation, loses weight, got his drive,
got his libido back, got everything else back. So there's
some little things you can do. There's metal tests. I
had a really bad brad hit with mercury because I

(01:09:38):
was a vegan. Then I felt like I needed some
other form of protein. So I started eating fish. And
all I had of a salad and fish old and fish,
but I had tuna and swordfish are my favorites. Those
are seventy five year old fish that eat all have
a smaller fish, and we polluted the water so much
now they're filled with mercury. And so I went to
go get this set of tests and they tested me
on a zero to five, where five is extremely concerning.

(01:10:00):
I was one twenty three, and so I've spent the
last four or five years getting that mercury out of
my body. It literally was making It interrupts your ATP
your energy level, Like if you start feeling foggy or
exhausted or tired, it can be metals. And about one
out of every three people and friends that they're twenty
five years old, because of the environment in right now,
they go and they discovered they've got cadmium, or they've

(01:10:22):
got lead, or they've got mercury. So I really encourage
people to go do that metals test if you're not
feeling great. A lot of times when people think is aging,
it's just metals, yes, And you can get them out
of your system when they're small, and it's a hell
of a lot easier than when I've gone through And
it's always it's really interesting because you keep pushing, you
can get lost in the fact that it's all in
your head. Yeah, And the truth is it isn't always

(01:10:43):
all in sysiological as well. Yeah. I had that recently
where I was actually feeling fine, but I went and
did I went and did a lot of micronutrient tests.
I did a lot of other tests. I want to
go and do a lot of the tests you just recommended.
I'm gonna definitely ask you where I should go, but
I want to did a basic vitamin detest. Right, I've
been doing this since I was a kid. Yeah. And
I went and my doctor and my health coach is

(01:11:03):
looking at the stats and everything, and she said to me,
she said, Jay, you're at a ten. Wow, the average
is sixty and hundred is good. She goes, she goes,
I don't know how you get out of bed in
the morning. And I don't affect your hormones by the way, correct,
Do three affect your hormones? Yeah? And I was like,
I get out of bed just fine. And she couldn't
believe that we can overcome a lot with your psychology, correct, right.
I was doing the same thing with mercury in my body. Correct,

(01:11:25):
But I was thinking, imagine if my body too, like,
just imagine what would be possible. And I think that's
why I love what you've done with this book, Life Force,
because that's what it's pracing emphasis on. Go get tested,
go check it out. I love how you use the
language of coaches, not commanders. Yes, right, like we're not
trying to You're not saying to anyone, this is exactly
what to do, and this is how to do it.
You're saying, please go and experiment with these things. Please

(01:11:48):
don't practice them, implement them into your life. And I
cannot wait to figure out how to implement all these
things in my life because I think it's so easy
to sit back when you're in your twenties, in your thirties, yes,
and just go I'm okay right now, things are okay.
I can pretty much get away with a bad night
out of You know what else about this before from
the subtitle says it it's for you and somebody you love. Yes,
Because you're at the stage of life, you're in you're

(01:12:10):
going to start finding more people, whether it be your
parents or someone else's in a challenge. And so there's
like whether it's like for me at this stage of
my life. I know so many people don't. I don't know.
Two times a month at least someone calls me and
they have foundily Amber with cancer, or somebody's starting to
develop Alzheimer's, or somebody out a stroke, And I don't
know what the hell to do before, right, because the
standard of care is so weak in those areas. But

(01:12:30):
here you've got answers that will blow your mind. Or
you know, somebody with Parkinson's for example, like Grandma or
somebody like that. There's this new technique it's unbelievable to
use ultrasound. It's called incisionless brain surgery. They don't cut
you open anyway. I saw this woman who's on fifteen medications.
I don't know if you've seen somebody Parkinson's, but they can't.
They can't even hold a glass, they can't. She couldn't

(01:12:50):
walk across the room. And it's an outpatient process. It's
in a hundred universities, and it's covered by insurance. Now,
this is how the whole unbelievable. This is and most
people don't know about it. You go in. It takes
about an hour to find the pinpoint spot that's creating
the tremor. They treat it for thirty seconds. The woman
comes out of the MRI right, and she gets the

(01:13:10):
blocks cross the room and I'm watching her and then
somebody hands are a glass and it doesn't hit her
like at first. I don't know if you've ever seen
somebody gets those audio implants and they hear for the
first time, they cry. Well, they handed the glass and
she can hold the glass. So she just started crying uncontrollably.
That was two years ago. Two months ago, she did
a fifty mile bike ride, right. I mean, it's that's

(01:13:31):
the kind of tools and available. If you got osto.
Someone's got osteouthritis, and even kids thirty five forty years old,
the athletes can create some real challenges in their body.
There there's a new injection. This is not approved yet.
It's a phase three trials. So phase one is safety,
then phase two is efficacy. In the phase three is efficacy,
it's scale then you get approve. So it's in the
final stage. They think it'll be approved either in the
fall or spring of next year. One injection, they got osteoarthritis.

(01:13:56):
It's causing your own stemseelves to regrow all your tendons
based on the original DNA inputs. So it's like sixteen
year old tendons even if you're thirty, forty, fifty or
sixty years old, and no more else to rights Brandon
tendons inside your body. So this kind of whirlwind right now.
These are things that are happening right now that people
just don't know about. And why don't we know about them?
And why why is it that you had to go

(01:14:17):
and diggle, Because it seems like what you've done is
you mind and mind and gone to the very best
to bring this to the full. Like all my billionaire friends,
they all know this because they all want the cutting edge,
right It's all I did is kind of took what
I did with money Master to the game. That's how
I got introduced since some of this and then I
and also my own needs. I tore my rotator cuffs
so severely. I was at a following a twenty two
year old professional snowboarder down the hill, and I'm not

(01:14:40):
a professional snowboarder. I could not make those moves. And
literally when I woke up was unconscious. I thought I
broke my neck. I ripped my rotator cuffs. So what
do you do? I go to four different doctors. They
all say surgery, surgery, or what's the prognosis? Well, you
may not lift your arm above your shoulder again, good
tear again? How long to repair? How long did rehab?
Four to six months? I'm going to be on stage
this with one arm over year. So I worked with

(01:15:03):
a lot of grace of all time athletes, and Christian
Ronaldo was supposed to be out for three months. He
did stem cells. It took him two and a half weeks.
So I was like, what about stem No, No, they
don't work. They don't work. And then it's like I
have the final doc literally looked me in the face
and he was a fan of my work. I didn't
know going there. And he's like, oh my god, you're
the Tony Robbins. He goes on and all you saved
my marriage and made me all this money. Da da da,

(01:15:24):
And he goes, thanks for hearing that, but now I
gotta be your doctor, and he puts my spine up
and he goes life as you know it is over.
Literally when he said to me, and I said, well,
you clearly didn't go to my communications. And he's like,
this is not funny. Don't make a joke. This is real.
And he goes, you know you have severe spinal snowsis
I'm in paying for fourteen years and he goes, one
good hit and you're quite to pleagate. No more jumping,

(01:15:45):
no more running, no more life, and like, if you're
hitting the stomach and you're ready for it, I wasn't
ready for it. I gotta be honest. There's two hours
and my feeling like my life was over. And then
I got my head backed and then I was like, okay,
I'm gonna check out stem cells. And I met Bob Perrari, well,
the top guys in the world. He told me where
to go in the United States the ones I needed.
You know, for your elbow, your knee, your own stem

(01:16:06):
cells might work, but if you're doing a shoulder in
a back or something, you need something more powerful. And
he said, you need four day old stemselves. I said,
I don't want you know, something that comes some baby
goes no, no, no, no, he goes, when babies are born,
the cord is filled with this, and the placentis filled
with these. And so I went and did four days
of treatment, just an hour a day of an ivy
and a shot. First day, I felt, you know, sleepy.

(01:16:29):
Second day, I had a cytokine response. I wasn't scared
and knew it was kind of shaking, freezing for twenty minutes.
But then I woke up the next morning and not
only was my shoulder program memory on my shoulder, you
wudn't even believe it, no downtime, no surgery, but my
spinal stenosis is gone. I got no pain in my
spine and I've had that for fourteen years. So it's
like that made me. That's why I wrote this book.
I became obsessed. Then the Pope invited me to come speak.

(01:16:50):
He the Pope puts on the biggest Regina of conference
every two years, and they wanted me to be the
cleanup speaker. I'm like, I'll do that, but I want
to go through all four days. And then I met
all these people h were sent home to die with cancer,
who'd been turned around, you know, stage four cancer because
they some of the techniques in this book. I met
Jack Nicholas, the greatest golfer of all time. He couldn't
stand for more than ten minutes the pain was so bad.

(01:17:11):
And now he's he did was supposed to have a
spinal fusion, which he did not do, thank God, and
he did stem cells and now he's eighty two playing
golf and tennis again. So I was like, I became
an evangelist, and then I just went said I want
to learn the best of everything, and I learned it
was much more than stem cells. It's this just like
you see technology doubling in power every eighteen months and
having a cost. We are code now, so most people

(01:17:33):
have heard Crisper. I mean, we're literally curing diseases that
would ever been cured in history before. And we're at
the beginning of the beginning of that growth curve. So
it's only up from here and the opportunities are extraordinary.
But you can think of yourself, but you can also
think of people you love who might need your help,
and now you'll have answers. Definitely. I'm so grateful, are
you Pizza and Robert for putting this book together? Because

(01:17:55):
like I said, I just dived into it and eat
inde chapter and it's just so comprehensive dnse. It's got
every study and resets that you need to convince you
that it's out there and now. And I love what
you just added to what I was saying that we
need to go use it for the people we love.
If it's not for us, let's go use it for them,
and then one day, because you helped everybody else, that
will be there for you exactly turn it. You've been

(01:18:15):
so generous with your time. Thank you. I've enjoyed it
with you very much, generous with your energy, and of
course in doing all the work and putting this book together,
you can tell that I'm writing my second book right now,
and I can tell that when you see a book
that is this well recess and this deeply done, you
know that a lot of work has gone into that.
So I want to recommend we're going to put this
in the link, in the caption, in the comment section,

(01:18:37):
everywhere the link to this book. I know that it's
already been an incredible international best selling book all over
the world. So if you haven't already got it, I
highly recommend you go and get it. Get it for
a friend, to get it for a family member, get
it to give it to someone as well if you
know that they need this right now, and of course
get it for yourself. And we're doing I'm doing a
percent of the profits in this book, as I've done

(01:18:59):
all free of my books, last three books to feeding America.
The story feeding twenty million meals there and so sides
helping yourself, you're up at other people. And then the
balance is going for Alzheimer's cancer and heart disease research
from three of the best researchers in the world. So
hopefully the book only changes your life, but it will
also help other people to Yeah, that's phenomenal. So you're
contributing as well as Yeah, which is absolutely beautiful. No

(01:19:21):
I'm saying. I'm saying the audience gets to contribute. Yeah,
you simply by even buying the books. Even buying the
book is contributing. It's true, Tony. We end every on
Purpose interview with the final five. These are five questions
that are aimed at usually one word to one sentence answers. Okay,
I don't even want to do it with you. I'm like,
I'm like, I don't want to do that with you.

(01:19:42):
I'm want to break the rules. I'm like, why am
I going to restrict your greatness to that anyway. So
here we go. These are your final five. We can
totally go off piece. I do know it. I don't
care to all right. Question number one is what is
the best advice you've ever received? I think for me,
my original teacher was Jim Rowne when I met him
when I was seventeen and I wanted to know why

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all my fathers were broke, because they were good men.
You know, I loved all four of my fathers. And
I remember him saying, Tony, we're all equal as souls,
but we're not equal in the marketplace. I was like,
what does that mean? And he said, well, think about it.
He goes, you need to become more valuable if you

(01:20:25):
want to have economic freedom. He said, you have to
work on yourself more than anything else, and you have
to work on in a way where there's something you
can do for others better than anyone else, or at
least more at better quality. And he gave me an
example of like working at McDonald's, and he said, you know,
if you work at McDonald's, you know, you make whatever
it was in those days, five dollars an hour or
whatever it was. And he said, you know, I go, yeah,
but that seems so unfair, and he goes, yeah, and teachers.

(01:20:48):
I gave example of teachers, and there's these billionaires, you know,
they make a billion dollars in a year. Heads one
guy you know, And he said, Tony, the guy you
just mentioned, he provided a forty percent return last year
and that went to nonprofits everything else. He said, that
means those organizations double their money almost every two years.
He is adding massive value, hundreds of billion dollars. So

(01:21:08):
they made a billion. He goes, this person is doing
a job that anyone can learn in twenty minutes or
half a day, so it's a beginning job. He said,
you've got You've got to think of it as one thing.
It's all about adding value. How can you do more
for others than anybody else in the world. And that
stuck with me. I mean, I was just like, I've
decided I wanted to do more for others than anybody
in the world. In order to do that, I had

(01:21:28):
have certain skills, and I went after those skills. And
I still do. Like it's a never ending thing. If
you think you're a master, you're full of it, right,
So I think that's probably some of the best advice
I've received, at least on life and business and direction,
and it affected my mission. Yeah, that's great. Second question,
what's the worst piece of advice you've ever had You've
ever heard, not received, maybe received though, Oh my god. Well,

(01:21:50):
I've had lots of piece of advice about what they
do my body, which you would have, you know, like
like the really sweet man, like sincere man, and I
realized that people can be sincere and be sincerely wrong. Yeah,
but like if I would have taken that drug, you know,
I probably would have had cancer. I don't know. I mean,
I try not to listen to or forget the advice
isn't too good. I think anybody who advises you to

(01:22:12):
give up is the wrong. That's probably the worst advice
of all, because anything that you persist in long enough
you can find the answer too, I believe. Yeah. And
based on that also, the first piece of advice you
go on your health is not always the right people.
I'm glad you mentioned this. The Male Clinic did a
study in twenty seventeen. They took two hundred eighty six
patients with various diagnosis, and they took the first diagnosis,

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and then they had a second doctor to a diagnosis.
Only twelve percent of the time did they match. It
means eighty eight percent of the time the first diagnosis
and the second were different. As a result, the Mayo
Clinic says you should always get a second opinion, and
they believe getting a second or even a third one
refines the diagnosis and makes it better because everyone's working

(01:22:54):
through their perceptions. It's not we think if medicine is
like black and white, you know it's right, it's wrong,
and it's there's a lot of art in medicine, and
people don't realize that, and that's why the standard of
care doesn't always get the result they want. That's why
these breakthrough doctors beyond the standard of care. They were attacked,
some of them beginning like there's a man named doctor
June and they created these cart cells and I think

(01:23:17):
it's nature just did a publication ten years later. There's
still you know, in cancer they never call it a cure,
actually calling it a cure for the first time for
liquid you know, like like leukemian things like liquid cancers,
and it's like it's amazing. So you've got to understand
that there's more than one opinion, and you don't give
up too Leasley with just one. Yeah, and that blacks
to life too in so many things. Like you said,

(01:23:37):
I always say, it's like if it's if it's about
your health, and it's about your relationships, it's about raising
your children, if it's about your spiritual development. Those are
areas where people should be your coach, not your commander. Yes,
get lots of input and you decide because they could
be sincere to be sincerely wrong. If you're wrong, at
least you learn from your own experience. Absolutely. Question number three,

(01:23:58):
what's something you think the majority of people value but
you don't value fame? But you know it's easy when
you have something, then it's like easy ago. Everybody wants it,
you know. But it's like when you explain when did
that happened? Was there ever a time you valued fame
or or was it the experience of it that made
you devalue it a little? I wouldn't say a d value.
I still appreciate it's it's a privilege like I got,
you know, I can walk in the room and have

(01:24:19):
people that I have a connection with, you know. But
it's been more based on my contribution to them than
just being famous per ye. Yeah, okay, that's the difference.
You like all of my friends and in the movie business,
like somebody comes up and they get upset because they
go they don't even know who I am. They just
want something from me, and mine is it's a privilege
if if somebody can be lit up by your presence,
to me, it's a privilege. So but I think, I

(01:24:39):
think I never I was never pursuing fame. Yes, Um,
you know, I certainly wanted financial freedom because I grew
up without it for my family, But I never I
was never looking to be wealthy. Um. But I'm fortunate
enough to have a lot of economic freedom at this stage. So,
but I know that there are people that have got
billions of dollars. I've worked with them, and they're miserable

(01:24:59):
people that billion dollars and they take their own life. Yeah,
you know what matters is where's your emotional home? Now?
Where do you live emotionally? If you're worth a billion
dollars and every day you're pissed off and frustrated, your
life is pissed off and frustrated. If you've got three
beautiful children or a beautiful husband or wife and all
this love in your life, but you're worried all the time.
You don't feel the love. You're worried. So my thing

(01:25:19):
is valuing the emotional home and making it the richest
place possible inside, because that's the only thing you can control. Yeah,
you reminded me. I was with one of my clients
who gets recognized a hundred times for every one time
I would get recognized, and you'd get stopped every two
seconds if someone take a picture, maybe someone comes shake
my hand and talk to me, and we spend a
whole day together. And this would happen multiple times a
day for him and a few times for me. And

(01:25:41):
he said something really beautiful with me that that mirrors
what you've just said. Now. He said to me, said, Jay,
the difference between me getting stopped and you getting stopped
is they stop me for who I play in the
movies because they stop you for who you are. That's right,
and that's what I feel with you. It's like what
you were saying, though, It's like that is a privilege
and privilege and humbles me because it's the idea of yeah,
like that person, he's like, they don't even know who

(01:26:02):
I am. They don't know what I stand for, they
don't know what I care about. So that was yeah,
thank you for sharing that. Thank you all right. Question
number four is if you could create one law that
everyone in the world had to follow, what would it
be love? I mean, I mean the answer right, it
really is. I think fear is what you know, if
there's a disease of humanity. The disease that messes is up,

(01:26:26):
I think really is selfishness. Yeah. And I think if
there's a cure, it's love. Yeah. And I think you
can't mandate it, but when people experience it, it becomes
a mandate in their life, you know. I love that absolutely.
And fifth and final question, you mentioned a book to
me that I must read, and you said you wanted
to talk about in the podcast too, So fifteen final question,
I thought maybe i'd let you share on that point

(01:26:48):
if you want to. Cycles that was about it. I
think it came out in the early nineties. It's called
The Fourth Turning, and it's it has. The conceit of
the book is that there are seasons in history. And
as I mentioned to you earlier, if you think about,
like what gives somebody power in any context. It's three things.
It's pattern recognition. So if I'm great at running businesses,

(01:27:11):
as I am today, pretty good at it. It's like
I recognize there's only so many patterns. I know what
to do. I can anticipate and not react. I can
grow it. If you're great in let's say the stock market,
you know and recognize patterns. If you're great with music
in case patterns. If you're great, spiritually recognize patterns. But
the second skill is you don't just recognize him, you
can use them. And the third skill is when you've

(01:27:33):
recognized and used enough patterns, you start to create them.
And that's a different dimension of what's going on. So
in this book you really start to see that humanity
changed when we recognize the pattern of the seasons. As
soon as we understood seasons, we didn't have to be
wandering through the desert anymore searching for things. We could
stay and we could grow crops because we found out
if you plant in the winter, it doesn't matter how

(01:27:55):
hard you work, nothing happens. But when you know the
right time to plant, when you don't have to do
the right thing at the right time, then all of
a sudden humanity grew into communities and cities and states
and everything else. Well, we have also seasons of our life.
So you know, in you know, some of the traditional
let's say Indian philosophies, I'm sure you know, we can
look at these four stages, but we can look at

(01:28:17):
it and say, first twenty years of your life, roughly,
you're primarily learning and taking things in some of us
how to work at five years old and so forth,
and overall, that's how it is. From twenty to forty.
You know, it's not springtime summer. You're figuring out who
you are. Okay, they told me all this crap, and
nobody tested. Do I really believe that? Does it really work?
I now have real relationships. I think I'm invincible. Maybe

(01:28:37):
I'm not. I've discover twenty to forty is this massive
growth period in your life. And if you grow during
that time, forty to sixty is really a reaping time, right.
It's like the fall and the autumn and things come
together and things go great. And then from sixty to
eighty and maybe eighty on, if you have an extended winter,
that's the winter time where now you get to be
kind of an elder so everyone is going to hit

(01:28:59):
winter if they live long enough, meaning some people experienced
winter in that zero to twenty stage, some people twenty
to forty. When you experience it shapes your life a lot.
So in America, the generation we call the greatest generation
is the generation of World War Two, and they were
not respected as young people. I bring this up because
millennials older people very often look at millennials and go, oh,

(01:29:21):
there's snowflakes. They can't handle anything, and some are. In
every generation there are people like that. But the generation
was born, let's say in nineteen ten. That generation, if
you think about it, they came of age going to
that twenty year old range. What happened in those twenty years, Well,
World War One ended in America was one of the winners,
and then there was the Roaring twenties and new technology

(01:29:43):
and cars and parties and all this abundance. It was everywhere.
So they grew up thinking that's what their life was
going to be like. And at nineteen years old at
the morn in nineteen ten, it was nineteen twenty nine,
and the whole world around the world, people jumping out
of buildings, the dust bowl in the the middle of place,
jobs lost. I mean it was intense, and they were
called flappers. They were not respected. They were just party years.

(01:30:05):
They didn't give a damn about anything. They had no responsibility,
and suddenly life hit them and they grew. They had to,
and they went through ten years of bad depression only
to make it to twenty nine years old when it's
now nineteen thirty nine and World War two breaks out
and you and I weren't alive in, but anybody alive
in will tell you Hitler was winning. Countries were dropping in,
your country in London was being bombed. I mean, it

(01:30:28):
did not look like we were going to win. It
was dark, right, And they made it through that went over,
fought the war and won. So they have this stage
of their life from twenty to forty which was a
horrendous experience, but it made them so strong and they
came back heroes and they started the next springtime because
that was winter, right, So next springtime was the late forties,

(01:30:49):
after World War Two, through the nineteen fifties, early sixties
until Kennedy was shot. That kind of eighteen twenty year
period was a period of great prosperity and growth and
everything's easy and then you have a summer, which is
always internal conflict. And you can see this in a
thousand years of Roman history. Every eighteen hundred years he
seem the same patterns. And then after that you have

(01:31:10):
another fall where finances flow, stock markets rise, everything blows again.
This happens over and over and over again through history,
so when you see it, it gives you a perspective.
And so we're in winter right now. We've been in
winter since about two thousand and eight, and we're not done.
We probably got another six if history shows, you know,
if it's repetitive, it's not exact. Yeah, there's probably another

(01:31:32):
seven or eight years of this. And what happens in
winter is the external world gets The last winter was
World War Two, and the external world is reformed. Different
countries relate in a different way. You know, a new
reserve currency happen in the United States became the dominant force.
Now you're dealing with China. We're seeing the challenges happening
in Russia, in the Ukraine. We're seeing things all over

(01:31:53):
the world. People are looking at life differently. People are
worried about whether planet's going to survive or not. Global warming,
and so there's going to be a lot more turmoil.
There's the internal turmoil within most countries, include the United States.
But when I try to tell people that holpefully helps
them is winter does not last forever. No pandemic has
lasted forever, No wars lasted forever. And what's next to springtime?

(01:32:15):
If you were God, when you work it out that way,
after the vicious night, you have this beautiful day after
the tough winter, there's this nice springtime. So the goal
right now is gets strong in winter, not to fold too.
If you can be strong in this season in your business,
in your life, then when springtime comes, it's a piece
of cake. And if you do well in business during
this time. If you look at the fourtune, one thousand

(01:32:36):
sixty five percent of them were born in a winter,
in a depression or a recession, whether it's Exon or
it's Disney and depressions, or whether it's Pizza Hut a
Federal Express that was done in recession, or Apple or
Microsoft in a recession. So if you do well, then
you tend to do well through time. And so this
is a time you know, not to say, oh it's winter,

(01:32:57):
I'm gonna freeze. The death it's like, no, it's a
time to learn. Row expands from time with your family, snowboard,
you know, take advantage of the season and don't think
the season is forever. And if you if you read
a book like this, it's a book that like some
of the greatest leaders I know have all read this
book I got. They also read a book called Generations.
It's about five hundred and fifty pages of Anglo American

(01:33:18):
history and it shows how each generation affects it. So
what you start seeing is there's patterns here, there's patterns
in history. This isn't forever. How do I use what's
in front of me instead of freaking out and saying,
oh my god, the whole world's coming to an end,
because it looks like that when the dark night of
the winter happens, of the dark Knight of the soul. Yeah, Tony,
thank you so much. Thank you everyone. Tony Robin's Life Force.

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The books available right now. We're gonna put the link
in the captions the comments everywhere. Highly recommend that you
go and grab this book. It will not disappoint. And
as you heard today, we've just skimmed the surface on
the level of insight on wisdom that exists within this book.
Please please please go and grab a callpee Tony. I
want to thank you from the bottom of my pleasure.
This incredible on a thank you have you have me

(01:34:03):
in your home and this is the first of many
many meetings, but thank you so much. I'm so grateful,
thank you, thank you so much.

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