Andrew Keegan Meets World

Ronnie “Lips” Waterman is in the house! The gang is hanging out with another Orlando guest star from The Happiest Show on Earth, and a quintessential ‘90s heartthrob, Andrew Keegan!
From being Danielle’s childhood bestie to sharing the screen with half of young Hollywood in Camp Nowhere, Andrew has some stories to share (and some impromptu dental work too - thanks to JTT).

Join us on the wild journey of how Andrew went from appearing in “10 Things I Hate About You” to being called a “cult leader,” on the newest Pod Meets World…

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Something that has come up because we were talking about
the potential O. J. Simpson Jersey in the background of
the Chubbies. Danielle, do you remember getting me the Chubbies
prop for my own apartment? What you don't remember doing
this for me? What's greatest thing? Okay, So when I

(00:39):
moved into my own apartment, I kind of like I
had like a because I was downtown, and I had
like a brick wall, and I was like really into
trains and like.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
So anywhere there was like trains, and yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
So in Chubbies above it was high up so you
barely ever see it. It's above the stairway.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
There was this cool railroad crossing sign. It had like
a railroad crossing and a train and like a couple
of different railroads.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
It was like an amalgamation of like Americana, and it
was like this weird like poster thing. And I remember
looking up at it and being like I love that,
and you were there and you were like huh, and
I was like, I really wish I could get that
in my apartment. And then like months later, I guess
it was for my birthday or for Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
You got it for me, and.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I found out later that you had gone to the
art department, and the art department had been like how
do you and you would like had to do favors
for different people in the art You had to like
do you do you remember this?

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I don't remember what you I just remember you had
to like I remember different people in the art department
being like, oh yeah, Danielle, you know, and you like
finagled your way to get me this thing.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
And I still have that.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
I don't think Danielle learned my name until season six,
and she's doing all this stuff for you.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
You never invited me to do anything with you.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Will would have been creepy.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Maybe yeah, I do remember that now.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I remember.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I've always been the type of person that when somebody
says like, man, I like that or I love that,
I clock it, like, hmm, good to know.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
You're a gift giver. You're a big giv But.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
This was like yeah, and had to get I feel
like you had to get like a case of diet
coke or something. It was like it was like some
kind of special drink that somebody in the set department,
like the art department needed you got that for them,
and then they went and got this sign printed for me,
like another one of these signs.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah, I'm still in my parents as.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Far as I know, because it was in my apartment
for years and then when I moved, my parents packed
up that apartment when I was in New York and like,
so I think it's still at my parents' house.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Cool if you find it, we have to post a
picture of it. But also now it's another thing for
us to start paying attention.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
To in the chuck in the background.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Love how much our little like props and setuck have
played into our memories. Like writer, when you saw the
pinball machine and you were like, man, that just brings
back so many memories.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Yeah, I'm still in the search for the lobster. I
haven't seen the lobster yet.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I know it hasn't started yet.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
I don't think it started yet. And I'm still she.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Only did it in like I thought. Maybe she only
thinks her.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Seven Maybe, Yeah, it's really a college years.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
That's when I will have to keep it keeping him
open though.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Because when when did ded he move into being second
ad Because she was she was a phone page until
about fourth or fifth season.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
It was college years, yeah, because that's what I remember
her coming to get us from our dressing rooms and stuff,
right right, we were a little older. So yeah, I
can't wait to find those two. Welcome to Pod Meets World.
I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm Rider Strong.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
And I'm Wilford Dell.

Speaker 6 (03:42):
Hello, Connecticut, Pod Meets World Live is coming to you
my hometown. Now, my two co hosts have had their
fun with their little jokes and insults, but now it's
time for every single one of you to put down
your butter churns and drive your carriages.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
I kid my fellow nutmakers.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
Down to the Bushnell Theater in Hartford on March seventeenth,
right near where I was born. It is going to
be a very special night for a very awesome state. Now,
more behind the scenes stories, interactive games, questions and answers.
Those are certainly on the agenda. But I also have
to imagine that our costume contest there, where he can
dresses anything from Boy or Pod Meets World cough cough,

(04:17):
grappling hook is going to go off. The winner gets
a legit nineties Boy meets World script signed by all
of us from my personal collection because as you know,
I don't throw anything away. And tickets are available now Hartford, Connecticut,
the Bushnell Theater on March seventeenth. I can't believe I
finally get to say that. Go to Podmeets Worldshow dot
com right now to join us. Oh, I can't wait

(04:38):
to see you there.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
This week's guest is someone very near and dear to
my heart. I have more pictures with him than I
do most of my family. It would have been difficult
to find a weekend in my mid teenage years that
I wasn't hanging out with Andrew Keegan, swimming in our pool,
going to the beach, driving around in a car he
built with his own hands.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
I or no idea.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
This is so f.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Always Andrew was like a round, But I didn't realize
it was because the two of you, we were so
close good friends.

Speaker 6 (05:07):
Yeah, I thought it was from Angel and VICKI is
why he was round all the time, because of Danielle.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, or just casually sharing an ice cream Sunday with
one spoon while my mom nearby clicked away on a
camera that we'd eventually have to drop off at a
thrifties to develop. He may have just been my best
friend when we were hanging out. But to the rest
of the world, he was one of the upper tier
teen beat heart throbs, first spotted with a standout role
in the nineteen ninety four movie Camp Nowhere. He'd turn

(05:32):
that into becoming a staple on the decade's best family
TV shows, starring in the often mentioned Neighbors to Boy
Meets World, thunder Alley, and appearing on Full House, Step
by Step, Sabrina, The Teenage Witch, and Yes, an episode
of Boy Meets World. He would later have memorable turns
on Seventh Heaven and Moesha, but it was his role
in Ten Things I Hate About You that cemented him

(05:52):
into the Dreamboat Hall of Fame. Today we will talk
about all of these things and more, but it will
all be grounded in that one time. He was incredibly
under used as Ronnie Lips Waterman in the third season
Disney World episode of Boy Meets World, The Happiest Show
on Earth. So get your camera ready, mom. Welcome to
Pod Meets World. It's Andrew Keegan.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
How's it going, guys?

Speaker 1 (06:20):
You look the same dude.

Speaker 7 (06:22):
Oh my gosh, I am. I was in hysterics when
I heard you. Guys had that one video that you
talked about. I was like, oh my gosh, lost, I
lost it?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Was it when Will Will said installed out like Andrew Keagan, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
That was it's always it's always Will.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Wait when I said what if, I said there was.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
We were talking about his car and we had talked
about about that. Will made a joke. It's so funny.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
I got me.

Speaker 7 (06:44):
Yeah, I got And by the way, I just literally
just listened to Larissa's because of course I'm.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
A procrastinator, right It was great. Literally just listened. It
was like nine thirty. I'm like, I should probably listen
to one of these right now.

Speaker 7 (06:59):
So I listened to it and it was literally great
because of course it led me like brought up all
of these and to hear it from her perspective, it's fantastics.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Well, thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Thank you so much for being here. We will start
our conversation with you the way we like to start
all of our episodes with child or former child actors.
Tell us about your your entry into Hollywood and how
did you find yourself becoming a child actor?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Wait, are we already doing this? Is it already happening?

Speaker 2 (07:26):
It's going Yeah, Hi, I just.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I was talking. I was just talking to some friends,
and I realized.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Like, oh yeah, that's all it's going to feel like
for the whole for the whole hour.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
So I started pretty young.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
I think I got my SAG card an eighty five
or four, So I was you were. I was in
a commercial and I was actually the replacement kid because
of course, like I said, I just listened to the
podcast and of course what we all went through at
such a young age, and.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
You know, this was something that's barely even a memory,
but I was.

Speaker 7 (07:56):
I remember a little bit of stress of like, okay,
I'm the extra kid, and it only brought me in
for a few minutes, so I really thought it wasn't
going to be me, and the commercial was supposed to
be the other kid.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
So I ended up doing that when I was Yeah,
I think I was about four or five.

Speaker 7 (08:09):
You know, I think at eleven, maybe I did a
empty nest and I was.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
The yeah empty yeah, who gave a gun to another kid?

Speaker 7 (08:19):
That was in like the early nineties, right, like you
don't do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Wow, that's so interesting. You mentioned that because we were
talking recently in a recap about how sitcoms used to
be for all different ages, and so sitcoms would would
have like very special episodes and you were apparently the
star of one where you gave a kid a gun
to another kid, And now you don't see those because
TV is so segmented. Like you know, if you want

(08:45):
to watch a drama, you go watch a drama. If
you want to watch a comedy, you watch a comedy.

Speaker 7 (08:49):
Yeah, I actually was watching my daughter was introduced to
a Brandy song The Boy is Mine. She's seven incredible,
you know, Okay, she likes the song. Not so sure
about the lyrics for you right now, but enjoy. So
I ended up showing an episode of Moesha that I
did with Brandy, and we went a head on in
that one with you know, a white guy dating a

(09:11):
you know, black girl, and so like dealing with a
racist or not a racial, a racial like dynamic and
it got heated and it was a fight, and it's
like all this stuff again, you wouldn't see that.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Ease an episode of anything right now, you know, very intense.
But so anyway, SO did that kind of stuff.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
Twelve, I did a Kellogg's Frosted Miniwe's commercial I feel
like I'm looking at my IMDb right now, that a
bunch of other stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
We don't talk about.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
Fifteen was the first movie you guys were talking about
Alison Mack in your in your episode Alison.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Mack oh the person.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Ok, you get these two mixed up?

Speaker 5 (09:43):
I know this, we all do, do you know?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Well, I don't get I don't.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
I see the point. I see that they're easy to
mix up. But yeah, so she was about eleven.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
I don't know if it was.

Speaker 7 (09:53):
Yeah, she'd been working by then, of course, But so
I knew her at eleven in Camp Nowhere.

Speaker 8 (09:57):
Right, which a lot of big thing, Hilen you told
me then, yes, yeah, yes, she was in the same
episode that we were in and Disneyworld.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, no, small World. So Hillary was in that. So
so yeah, so that was at fifteen.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
Fifteen sixteen, And of course, as I mentioned, you know,
I went obviously on your show, I did.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Thunder Alley was before that, right, thunder Ally was like.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
You know what, that's a good question. It would have
been right like right in the.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Same nowhere is nineteen ninety four. Okay, so thunder Ally than.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Before ninety three.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
It was the first season of Boy.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
No, first season of Boy. Right next to us was
Home Improvement. Yes, I think thunder Ally came second season.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I thought second season. Yeah, yeah, so right around there.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
You were you in a California kid?

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Were you?

Speaker 5 (10:48):
Were you born and raised in California?

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yes? So I grew up in the valley.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
Actually, obviously, Danielle and I've known each other since bay
Watch or before.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
It was a bay Watch audition. So Andrew and I
met in probably ninety one, wow, and we were at
an audition for Baywatch. Andrew booked the part that he
was auditioning for. I was auditioning to play a young
girl with cancer who was dying. And it's pretty remarkable

(11:17):
that I didn't have the chops to pull it off
because we all know, so we are? You know how
good I was?

Speaker 6 (11:22):
You are you dying on the Do you also need
to be seen from the center team?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Do you remember the episode?

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Andrew? I literally would have to watch it. I have again.
I think I was like the kid giving the other
kid alcohol.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
So you're always influence man, bad influence kid.

Speaker 7 (11:41):
Yeah, until until Seventh Heaven, where I was a good
guy with.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
A child from a sixteen you know at sixteen seventeen.

Speaker 7 (11:50):
So I don't know young dad and that was that
was a nice role opposite Jessica Biel.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, we're going to get into that.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
We're going to get into that.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
We'll get into that. We'll get into that.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
We got to slow down, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
I'm excited.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
It's so excited.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and I'm Oliver Hudson. And last
I checked for siblings and this is sibling revelry. We're
full blood siblings, the only.

Speaker 9 (12:22):
Full blood and our family.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Well not in the world, I mean in the whole world.
This is it, Like no one anyway. We're back with
season four. I can't believe it.

Speaker 9 (12:32):
I'm so excited, bigger and better than ever. You might
be asking yourself, what is sibling revelry?

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah, well we just made it up. There is no
sibling revelry. It's reveling in your sibling.

Speaker 9 (12:46):
And it's fun because we've decided to open it up,
you know, to really like all kinds of different siblings
and it's going to be an awesome season.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
So listen to Sibling Revelry on the iHeartRadio app, apple
Pie casts or wherever you listen to God.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
So I wanted to talk camp nowhere beloved movie. People
still talk about it. Also, Jessica Alba's first job.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Really, yes, so what was that.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Experience, Like, what do you remember from filming it?

Speaker 7 (13:29):
So they thought it was a good idea to cast
a boy and a girl and they were the kissing
couple and they were supposed to kiss over the six
or eight weeks we saw the film.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Needless to say, they did not.

Speaker 7 (13:41):
Like each other after a few kisses. So Jessica came
in as a replacement to be the kissing girl and
the other kissing girl. And then it ended up being
if you watch the movie, it's like there's a mud
scene and they're like wet and mud and the kissing.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
But it didn't it didn't.

Speaker 7 (13:58):
It wasn't a storyline that really made it through from
in the way that it was in the script.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
So that's how Jessica was. And then we became really close.
At the time, she was really you know, we.

Speaker 7 (14:05):
Were all young, I think between thirteen fourteen fifteen years old,
so I remember I think we had her either thirteenth
or fourteenth birthday at my house and like our families
got along and we did a bunch of fun things together.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
So yeah, we so that was yeah, that was camp.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
Nowhere she was in it. Let's see, that was really
wild at Christopher Lloyd of course, Jonathan Jackson, Jackson, Yeah,
all these names like having to pull them out, but yeah,
John and Jackson was great.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
It was a great experience. I mean, getting out of school.
We were working up.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
At the Disney Ranch, which is where they shot Dukes
of Hazzard, which was cool and it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
So you joined thunder Ally in season two, and we've
talked about it quite a few times on Podmeats World,
since you guys were then, you know, filming next door
to us. And by the time you got on that,
you and I had already known each other now for
a few years. So we met at that audition for
Baywatch in like ninety one, and then in the way
you do as a young actor, you bump into each
other at multiple auditions, and then by the time you

(15:03):
were on thunder Alley, it was like, oh, my gosh,
my friend Andrew is here now. But that's really where
we solidified our friendship and basically became BFFs forever. But
do you remember your audition for thunder Ally and finding
out that you were going to be on primetime TV.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
You know, you guys have spoken about this, and again
I was always very impressed. You guys always felt super
comfortable and you were in your flow coming onto a
show with Ed Asner, a six year old Haley Joel Osmon,
two other ten eleven year olds and being about that
age where you're just recognizing like this is a big deal.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
This is a lot of pressure, and I was pretty
nervous and pretty I would say, it's just it's the
great unknown. I'm going to go in front.

Speaker 7 (15:50):
I mean, I had done it, but it's like to
go in front of the three cameras, in front of
an audience, and there was just a lot of pressure.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
As far as the audition, I remember not thinking that
it went that well, but that they seem to really
like it.

Speaker 7 (16:02):
So I was like, well, I guess that worked. Found
out about it, and again there was like this mixture.
I don't know if you guys have felt this where
it's like, oh, yeah, it's like kind of when you're
like the dog chasing the car and it catches what
as I was saying, It's like all of a sudden,
it's like, wait, I got the bum I got to
do this.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Now, I'm used to auditioning.

Speaker 7 (16:19):
I've done a few little things, but this is like
Ed Asner, Mary Tyler Moore show. And so I would
say that was probably one of the hardest experiences. There
was just so much pressure with the with the audience
and working with Ed.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Who's you know at the time, it must have been
in his sixties, and I mean he was nice, but
he was a professional.

Speaker 7 (16:38):
And you know, he's looking at all these kids, probably thinking,
how did I end up here with four kids I'm
working with?

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Remember you're Lynes? Okay?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, we had we had the Bill Daniels on our set,
who also probably was looking around like how did I
end up here? I'm I'm such a pro and I'm
so good at what I do, and yet here I
am with all these ldren who think this is all
so fun.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah. Yeah, And now we understand that more, we're like, oh,
that's a real job.

Speaker 7 (17:07):
So, but Ed was great. And then did you guys
ever have Robbie Benson as a director?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
No?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
On your show?

Speaker 7 (17:12):
So Robbie was a child childhood actor, and I think
he pretty much directed all of them. And he was
also just a militant director, and I will never forget one. Like,
first of all, we all cried right at different times.
But I'm the sixteen year old.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
And I'm like, try to keep it together. There's a
ten year old and eight year old and then a
six year old. Haley was literally six, and it was
it was incredible.

Speaker 7 (17:35):
I have a seven year old now almost eight, and
I'm just thinking how he was able to literally and
he had a lot of he had a lot of
lines like he was, you know, a significant part of
the show. So I was always very impressed with him.
And I was like, if he's six and he can
do it, I can do this.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Just memorize your lines now.

Speaker 7 (17:52):
I know we were in a stage next to Home Improvement.
Were you guys in that stage before us, because I
know I remember you guys were in a different lot.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
We spent the first two years at Disney, so ninety three,
ninety four and then ninety four and ninety five we
were on the Disney. We were on stage two.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
Page two, okay, okay, and then I think what Home
Improvement was stage one?

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Right, you guys were right there. I remember, yeah, you
were literally if I.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Remember correctly, When Boy meets World Thunder Ally Home Improvement.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, we were all there for at least one I think.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
It was all the way down and we had that
one trailer with the Pa pong table and then intend
video Angel.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Vicki Angel and Vicki would bring us there and play
basketball and do all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
I have a quick basketball story. So we were playing basketball.
I don't know if any of you guys are there.
These things, by the way, are great to hear. I
have little blippets of memory. But one one day we
were playing and Jonathan he was like right here, and
he went up to play back, you know, basketball backed
up and he hit my tooth and I was like
it started to turn blacks. Ended up getting it fixed

(19:01):
with temporarily. And yeah, so I not on my front
tooth and tooth.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Jonathan Taylor Thomas killed one of your teeth.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
To beat drama, I mean, get him back, get him
on here.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
We want Jonathan Taylor Thomas the whole tooth.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
That's what I'm.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Putting this all down for Danielle's diary.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
I love the whole tooth and nothing, the whole tooth
and nothing but the tooth. No further questions. So I
have a question for you, Andrew you.

Speaker 6 (19:29):
You mentioned that you celebrated somebody's thirteenth birthday on the
set Where's the strangest place You've ever celebrated your birthday?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
On a podcast Heavy Birthday.

Speaker 7 (19:47):
I noticed behind Danielle like the date, and I was like,
I wonder if she remembers.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
I do well done, well done, well done.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
So let's spend a little bit of time. Well, first
of all, what are you doing after this to celebrate
your birthday?

Speaker 7 (20:02):
I have I'm gonna pick up my daughter and actually
we're doing a little dinner just around the corner at
a nice Italian restaurant. Just kind of threw it up
some friends. If you guys want to join, come on
over to the West Side. We're just going to hang
out and have dinner.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
There's a West Side.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
So I want to I want to have a little
bit of fun talking about our friendship because I have
I have so many amazing stories with you. But I
I some like like you, my memory is not incredible.
You remember you say that I have a good memory,
But it's because you remember how good I was at
remembering lines. I can memorize that, Like, my memory's great
with that act, memories of my actual life are a

(20:38):
little harder for me to remember for some reason. So
I actually the reason I said we met at the
bay Watch audition is because I asked my mom. I
didn't even remember that we had met at that Baywatch audition.
What do you remember about our friendship and how much
time you spent at our house and how much time
you spent with our family? You taught you tried to
teach me how to drive stick shift? Do you remember that?

(21:01):
Do you remember me stalling out your car over and
over again?

Speaker 4 (21:04):
I can feel it.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
I can feel the gears grinding, I get just oh,
I can feel it happening.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Oh yeah, can you imagine now? What were you? Fifteen?
Dick shift? Did we wait a second? Didn't we run
from the cops one time? And night? We did?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
We did?

Speaker 3 (21:18):
We did?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
We did?

Speaker 3 (21:19):
We did?

Speaker 5 (21:20):
Wait? Did you're burying the lead?

Speaker 6 (21:22):
What what happened for the cops?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
The story?

Speaker 5 (21:25):
We did it?

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Okay, go tell the story. Tell the story. I hope
my children never listened to this podcast.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
This wasn't this wasn't the one I was even thinking of.
And there's another story. So we went.

Speaker 7 (21:34):
I'm teaching her how to drive in the shadow Hills area,
which was horse country in the deeper valley than probably
where you guys are.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
So we're driving up and down in the hills and around.

Speaker 7 (21:45):
And we're going down and I mean, I'm sixteen, so
I have no business having, you know, anybody in the
car at the time with the permit.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Apparently maybe I was fifteen. I'm not even sure.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
We go down this hill around the Weimer's house and
we go down and there's a and we're in the
middle of nowhere. I mean, you know, there's a cop
every three months.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
And this cop goes by and I'm fortunately driving at
the time, and I know the neighborhood. I'm like, and
he looked at us, you know that look when you're
driving by. He's like, I know that book.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Because you are about two and a half years older
than me. So if you were sixteen, I was like
thirteen and a half.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well maybe for me, I was like seventeen eighteen. All
I know is we just didn't want to get pulled
over correct.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
So we went down the hill and I just it
was it was like he had to turn around, and
I knew a few turns, and I just went home,
put the car in the garage and I was like,
we're good.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
It's playing video games.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
So yeah, we did. We did that.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
But then another driving story, and this is the one
that I'll never forget, is going to your mom saying
go ahead, Andrew, you know how to drive. You can
take Danielle to Disneyland. So we got in her Accura
I don't remember to make but it was a nice
you know, big mom car.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
He drive car.

Speaker 7 (22:59):
I drove your mom is accurate from Calabasas, which.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
I still don't know that this was a good idea,
but it got worse. So we get to Disneyland, which
I already felt like I'm winning. I've got Danielle, I'm driving,
and I'm at disney Land. What's better than this. We
walk into Disneyland and it was just like this, all right,
we're here.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
Cool.

Speaker 7 (23:21):
There's the magical you know, what's it called magic Magic
Magic Castle.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
We got Magic Kingdom. So we go through and all
of a sudden, you know, a little little chime over here,
a little bit.

Speaker 7 (23:33):
Next thing, you know, we're just like enveloped with people
and we get a picture, go get river and I'm
just looking at her.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
It's like it's the bank. It's whatever they called me
back then, and I was like, we gotta think, we
gotta go. So I think we got a halfway up
the street to the Magic Kingdom and we're just like,
let's let's let's get out of here. It's getting scary,
just me and you, and we literally ran out and
drove him.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
That was the last time I was a Disney Literally,
that was the last time you're at Disneyland.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
Really, as he has an.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Eight year old and uh, and he still hasn't been
back to Disneyland.

Speaker 7 (24:05):
So I'm holding that story for as a block for
me to go to Disneyland. So I decide I'm gonna
go to Disney World. They haven't done it since we
all were there. My daughter is six at the time.
I have some cousins in Florida. So we go book
at the Wilderness and I pay for the trip, and
I'm like, you guys, let's let's bring the kids.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
We're gonna go to disney World.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
So we do one day at Magic Kingdom, one day
at Animal Kingdom, third day at the Hollywood and I
was going for I'm like, we're doing We're just gonna
do them all.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
The third day we get home and I'm like, oh
that burger, Oh no, that's so good. But I'll be fine.
I'll be fine. That night Wicked six some kind of bug.

Speaker 7 (24:44):
I'm up all I literally called the paramedics and like,
new Fee shows.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
Up, you're seriously dehydrated.

Speaker 7 (24:55):
But I literally called, you know, like you're good, and
I'm like, no, I'm not. I just hit my head
grown up so much.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Everything's coming out. It was horrible.

Speaker 7 (25:03):
So I took the next plane and went home. So
those are my two Disney stories.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
I don't know, I'm sorry, but I just see the
entire Disney like, you know, Mickey around. Oh he's coding,
all right, everybody clear, Like I just this this whole
kind of everybody rushing in.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
I don't know why it's so funny to me, but god,
it is.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
So we gotta try.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
Maybe not maybe as an adult, we'll try disney Land.
We'll all go together. Maybe we'll get a guide. We'll like,
we'll do it, right.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
I need some support guys to go. Yeah, that would
be right. That would be the way I would do it.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
That's how we shoot. They'll bring their kids, it'll be
fun kids. Shuldee that wait, who's got kids?

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I know Danielle. Does you guys have kids as well?

Speaker 5 (25:42):
I have a stepdaughter thirty four.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's a little different, it's slightly different.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Definitely definitely not a kid, my guess.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
Or two I'll be I'll be a grandfather. So yeah, no,
it's very different on my end.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yes, writer's got a nine year old son who we
would so yeah, we'll do. We'll do a proper Disney
trip with a guide right in an Indy and I'll
bring my kids, and Andrew, you could bring your daughter.
Just I want to know to the car that you
let me drive, the red one. You built that car yourself,

(26:17):
right that car? Do you still have it? I need
to know. I need to remember all the details of
the car because I know that car was like your baby.
Tell everyone what it was.

Speaker 7 (26:26):
My dad was in the Vietnam War, so he brought
it over from Okinawa, so he bought it, knew there,
had it shipped, and it was.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Sitting in the garage.

Speaker 7 (26:33):
You know, this would have been probably fifteen or twenty
years later, so it was sitting in the garage and
I always just had like an affinity to it. It's
you know, it's a part of your life. And when
I think I was thirteen fourteen. I actually did camp
nowhere and the character was into fixing cars. And I'm
not sure which came first, but life inmitating our imitating life,
like whatever they say about that. So I was like,

(26:54):
I'm going to fix up this car. So I started to,
you know, break down the doors, and yeah, it did
put the car.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I mean there's a lot of.

Speaker 7 (27:00):
Parts that you don't do, like painting, and sure there's
certainly mechanical things.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
But of car.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
Was it a seventy one mgb Oh great car, little car,
a little creak car, the spokes on the wheels and
like a little starter project.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
So yeah, that was the safest car. It definitely would
not be in a category safe at all.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
No perfect Californi car, though, Oh man, what a California car.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Perfect car to teach Danielle how to drive.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
Grinding the gears on a classic. Oh it just got
so much worse. The story just got so much worse.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
I answer, yeah, to answer your question, I did end
up getting riden.

Speaker 7 (27:40):
It was just a time where it was like cars
are just too much, So I got rid of all
the cars.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, I would also like to share that Andrew and
I decided when we were very young that we would
be the only two people who are allowed to call
each other Andy and Danny, and I have held true
to that. No one is allowed to call me Danny's
for Andrew. Have you ever let anybody call you Andy?

Speaker 3 (28:04):
If it wasn't two days ago, I just told somebody
I hate that name, and I don't let anybody call
me that. But you can't.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Exactly say, that's just one of those little things. Okay,
now I have.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Hey, I just were talking about it.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
We were like the cutest little friend cut in and
you guys were teasing me earlier. Of course, who didn't
have a crush on Daniel, But we established a very
good friend dynamic and just wrote it out and it's
just a few years later.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
It was so it was just such a fun friendship.
And I have so many pictures of us together, and
one of my favorites is writers in his fedora. At
my fifteenth birthday party, and Andrew was there and he
Andrew bought me. He was like one of the first
people to buy me jewelry. So I have like a
ring with on a necklace that I'm wearing that Andrew
gave me. He bought me a bracelet and an anklet.

(28:52):
We have this picture of him putting the anklet on me.
Oh geez, and yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Just none of it. None of it worked, well, none
of it.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Daniel's mom is in the background.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
You please make this work.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
My mom would have been thrilled. She loved and she
still does love Andrews.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
I'm glad the affinity for jewelry went away.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
We're walking Dan Yell and I.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
Are walking down the street of Austin, out of nowhere,
about to have a live show. We passed, we passed
the jewelry place and she just looks me goes, do
you want to buy me some jewelry?

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Joy?

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Sorry? He was like what. No.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
She's like, all right, you can if you want. Friends
do that for each other.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
And there will be no pictures of.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Me putting in I'll let you call me Danny.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
That's all.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
It takes a little sparkle.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
So I have a very funny story. But I just
have to tell the story because it'll give you an
idea one really into the mindset of young Danielle and
into an idea of our friendship. So, and I don't
even know if Andy knows this, but I was on
the phone with him when I got my period for

(30:15):
the very first time. I was like, I need to
call you back, and he was like okay, and we
hang up the phone and I run out of my
room and I announced at the top of the stairs
as loud as could be, Mom, I got my period.
I was so excited. I was thrilled. And my mom

(30:37):
comes out and she goes, she goes, why are you
so excited? And I was like, I am so excited.
She's like I think I cried when she's like so
healthy that, oh my gosh. Well, because you know, all
I wanted in the world was to be an adult.
I just wanted to be a grown up, and so
this was like, oh, well, you can't be a grown
up until this happens.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
So I call my mom.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
My mom comes in, We talked, you know, we do
all the things you need to do whatever, and then
I go, I gotta call Andrew back, and my mom goes,
hold on, do not tell Andrew. Andrew doesn't need to
know that. He doesn't really.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Boys really love to talk about or are ready to.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Like very sure call him back, but like, don't tell Andrew.
That's funny and now I don't really I don't remember
if I told him it. Probably it seems to be
that it's something I may have done that I would
have told Andrew. Did I tell you?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
It sounds very familiar.

Speaker 7 (31:29):
I remember we would have those conversations really close. That's
where you are, so you know, for those of you
and listening to this, there was only a hard line.
You know, this is before cell phones, so we'd be
on the phone with the cord and you know, going
to sleep.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
And we talked for countless hours.

Speaker 7 (31:47):
So I definitely remember, not sure you told me that night,
but that you telling it now?

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Does I do know? You literally were like but you
even like said, I'm supposed to tell you, but.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah, my mom not to tell you, but just oh cool.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
I still don't know what to say to this, right,
I'm still awkward, Like.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Still an awkward conversation.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
We didn't know Rider and I didn't know how close
the two of you were. I mean, we knew that
you were friends, and we we you hung around on
the set of Boy Metroled a lot.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
You were on the show.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
We obviously knew you, but we thought it was all
through Angel and VICKI so we didn't realize.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
We didn't know that that's what it was. We had
the same gym teacher, Like, that's what it was, you know.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
So yeah, Angel and Jickie.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Podcast.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah that's its own. Oh that's right, that was they
were the gym people, remember them.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
All the stories that just went through Andrews and all
the stories and was the head.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
So they got me to do this boxerati video.

Speaker 7 (32:48):
Do you remember the exercise stuff they we did grindline.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
Video, d boxing video videos left and right with you guys.

Speaker 7 (32:57):
We we did a videos and stuff and I was
so unprepared because this boxing move and I'm not that coordinated.
I just remember how difficult it was to film it
and how disappointed they were that.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I didn't know the one too in the video. Oh please,
I hope it's I want to buy them all.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
And we're going to find box Sarati.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
I was just gonna say, how is box Sarati not
the greatest title for anything ever?

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (33:23):
Sarat But Andrew.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Didn't you go you went to Hawaii? My brother went
to Hawaii with you with was it with.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Angel and Vicki two or Angel? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Because I know Shilah went surfing with you in Hawaii
at one point for like a trip, my.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
First trip ever, and again just going for the full
story here, folks.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
We're in a hotel in Waikiki, Angel, I think Rider,
and I think there was somebody else there I can't remember, and.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
My brother's best friend Nate, Nate and Angel and you, yeah,
the surfing trip on a surf trip.

Speaker 7 (33:58):
So and I think my friend who I'm still really
good friends with, I think he might have been there
as well in the r short so, but this was
my first experience with Maui Wowie.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
Maui Wowe is old school's classic weed. It's like ty stick. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (34:15):
And when I say Maui wow weeed, this was my
first time. And I swear I was lost in this hotel.
Everything was growing slow and I was like.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Wow, And I think it was your brother Shiloh. That
was like, yeah, a couple of hits and I was
like that sounds about that.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Sounds and he came down.

Speaker 7 (34:38):
My god.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I learned how to surf in Hawaii and then was
so excited to come home and tell Andrew that I
knew now how to surf. Andrew was like, that's amazing, Yes,
you can go surfing with me now, and I was
like yeah. And so one morning, at like four thirty
in the morning, Andrew came and picked me up and
it was still dark and took me out to Malibu
and I went in there and I touched one little

(35:01):
toe in the water and was like, what the hell
is this getting in this water? I think I went
out and tried to catch like one or two ways.
I didn't even it was dead. I was freezing and
I was like, I'll just wait for you on the beach.
I think that was the only time Andrew ever took me.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
You know what helps with that? Ma wowie? Yeah, promise you.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
So your name came up again recently when we were
talking with Writer specifically about the sale with the Stars
cruise that we had years ago, and your name came
up because we were talking about Rider and his discomfort
with the heart throb status. You were one of those
quintessential teen heart throbs? Did it ever like? And the

(35:59):
way name came up is because Writer was talking about
how well you handled it?

Speaker 5 (36:03):
Yeah, you were good at it.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
You were so good at it. Did you enjoy being
a heart throb? Did it ever feel like too much
to you? What was the experience for you.

Speaker 7 (36:11):
Like, I think it's an you know, it's an interesting word,
and of course it does sort of evoke like a
lot of different feelings.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
I think I was open to just the experience at
the time.

Speaker 7 (36:25):
You know, at this time I look back and you know,
there's a little bit of cringe, like your you know,
heart throb is kind of this.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
It's also with this like past tense.

Speaker 7 (36:32):
But even at the time, it's like, I don't know
what's going on right now.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
This is crazy.

Speaker 7 (36:37):
We're on a cruise and it was a very surreal
experience that all of us really you know, participated in
and that we were.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
You know, fond over and given all this attention.

Speaker 7 (36:48):
But I think, you know, I don't know that I
have a particular definition to it. I can't there's times
where I think I just went with it. I can't
say I was like one hundred percent comfortable. I think
there was a lot of times where, like I'm sure
you guys experienced this Disneyland, for example, going to malls,
going to airport, So there's a part of you that
you can perform and be there as you're expected to be,

(37:11):
But there's also times where you're just like I just
want to get through this airport right now, and it's like,
how's it going. Okay, nice, thank you to take a picture.
And I still and I've always been like okay with it.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
You know. It's like, what an amazing gift that we.

Speaker 7 (37:24):
All have to bring a little bit of joy or
pleasure in a moment to someone.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
And taking a picture.

Speaker 7 (37:28):
So it's it's a harmless effort that we make to
make somebody day and.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
It's fine and actually, quite frankly, it's like kind of nice.
Some people walked up to me and my daughter on
aber Kenny the other day and the guy's like, yeah,
you're kind of talking to me.

Speaker 7 (37:40):
It's like yeah, everybody says I look like Ben Fieldman,
and all of a sudden, the two of them look
and she's like, no, honey, he's an actor.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
And the boy looked at like at the same time
like he's Andrew King Again. I'm eating my I'm meeting
my sweet fin with my daughter and dog, and I'm like, yeah,
we can take a picture. And again it's like a
moment that they'll share and enjoy and for us as well.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
Well, it's like it's nice to bring a little pleasure
but as far as heart throb, I guess I probably.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Shouldn't have done too many of those photos of my
shirt off.

Speaker 7 (38:06):
But other than that, like there's some really speaking of boxingbodie,
there's some shots of me like for looks.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Skinny, right, you're like a thirteen year old boy.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Like literally, I'm like, who told me to take my
shirt off? That such a bad idea, not developed enough yet.
I hadn't had my period.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
And I also don't know if many young girls cared
about like a seat shirts.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
And that was that was probably for older people.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
And yeah, it's a little weird to think about now, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
A different podcast, we might love that one. Now.

Speaker 6 (38:43):
The thing I remember most about that whole time with you, though,
was it was something that was very interesting because a
lot of the quote unquote heart throbs at the time,
like the Jonathan Brandis or Jonathan Taylor, Thomas any Ryder
they all had it was all kind of also about
the shows they were on, whereas you were kind of
the product unto yourself, which was which was an interesting

(39:06):
thing to see because you were working all the time,
but you were you weren't on one long running thing
where it was like you'd hear Jonathan Brandis and sequest
like it was that kind of thing, right or strong
and boy meets World where it was.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Just Andrew Keegan. It was about you.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
And I think that's one of the reasons that maybe
you handled it so well is because, you know, and
I'm not saying this is a negative thing, you were
already the brand, which which had never really I don't
really remember happening all that much before, because it didn't
matter what you were on. It was just Andrew Keegan.
And I remember that about you more than I remember

(39:43):
any of the other young quote unquote heart throbs at
the time.

Speaker 7 (39:46):
And see, I always felt in like somewhat insecure and
in the sense that I didn't have that job and
I was still you know, I'm still doing this because
they were happy to have me do a photo shoot
and however that however that worked in selling magazines, was
good for them.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
But it's interesting that you say that because.

Speaker 7 (40:05):
Of course, at that age thirteen fourteen, fifteen years old,
I was not aware of anything brand or not.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
I just wanted to work, and I was always looking
at you guys like, oh, they got a job. I
got to get a job. Because while you guys are working.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
I'm going to every audition and it's just like I
want to be on a show.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
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a little harder than the thing man, Boxarati twenty three.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
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Blockbuster near you.

Speaker 6 (40:32):
Okay, can we get a double feature of Boxarati and
Grinders inline?

Speaker 5 (40:36):
Can we can we get grinders?

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Can we do that?

Speaker 2 (40:37):
You do a double feature?

Speaker 5 (40:38):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
It is interesting that you mentioned that though, because it's
one of the things we talk about a lot. Is
like the things we took for granted back then in
the way we were all feeling like Writer would have
loved nothing more than to not have been so associated
with just boy Meets World. For Writer to have been
actor right or strong. You could be seen anywhere, could
be known for anything instead of in his mind, known

(41:01):
for this kid's sitcom. And yet you had the total
opposite feeling, which is like, oh gosh, I'm just I'm
just a floating actor going here, going there, and I
don't have that that show that's like that I'm known for.
And so it's just interesting because you know, you don't
We we all were all insecure about the things that
we have and feeling like we're missing out on the

(41:22):
thing we don't have, And yet we all look back
and go, we just really should have been kinder to ourselves.
Enjoyed it a whole lot more.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (41:30):
Oh, I still look back on it with fond memories
and very much I think enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
But I do remember now that you're speaking about writer.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
Writer was like so smart and sew in accounting crows
and I was always like this.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Dude, I think he had like these books that were
like this year, and I was like, I think he's
a scientist. He's going to do something.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I mean it was like what just and miserable, just
self indulgent and miserable.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Then you know later what were you?

Speaker 7 (42:03):
I was like reading philosophical books and I was like,
this was the smartest guy.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I've ever met.

Speaker 7 (42:09):
And I know Danielle was like best friends with you too,
And I was a little like, oh Man, was so.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Smart but so miserable. I was just so sad all
the time. You have fund members because you enjoyed it.
I was miserable.

Speaker 6 (42:24):
Oh man, what was your When you look back, what's
the project that sticks out in your mind the most, Like,
what's the I mean, I wouldn't say favorite, but just
one that had the most impact on you.

Speaker 7 (42:35):
I think, you know, of course everybody knows ten things
and a great film, and like I said, I just
listened to Lrissa's.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
And we can talk about that.

Speaker 7 (42:42):
The I think the product, the project that scared me
the most was The Broken Hearts Club. This was Greg
Borlanti directed his first directorial where they say that directorial debut,
and it was Zach Braf, Dean Kine, Timothy Olaphant.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
And Billy Billy Quarter Geez Billy Porter.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
It was an amazing cast and we were it was
an all gay cast of characters.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
And this was in ninety eight, ninety nine, and they
had not done in.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
All gay cast of characters as far as like the film.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
You know leads since the sixties. So I was nineteen.

Speaker 7 (43:16):
I think I just remember that sort of taking that
on and doing something that ultimately is not my you know,
my sexual you know, but it wasn't about that. It
was about this these these guys in their life in
West Hollywood. But that part of it scared me, you know, obviously,
And that project, I think it turned out really well,
and it's still, you know, in a way as classic

(43:38):
as Ten Things, but obviously a different kind of film.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
That's so cool.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Let's jump in really quick to Boy Meets World when
you were Ronnie Lips Waterman. We recently we made you
watch your episode. Did you watch it?

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yes? With my daughter, by the which is yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Do you do you have any memories of filming it?
Do you remember in Orlando? If you do, remember, what
do you remember about it?

Speaker 3 (44:04):
I see such a procrastinator. I'm going to let it
come to me now.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
I just remember, like obviously how excited I was to
travel and shoot something.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (44:14):
I remember obviously you being a dear friend, best friend,
and that was really cool. I remember some of the
pictures I saw. I don't know what the hell I
was thinking as far as what I was wearing and
the sunglasses. That's a whole other subject for another day
Fashion Fashion podcast.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
The nineties, the nineties, but I mean, I remember we
were in a parade that.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
I remember parades.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
I'm ready for what you got and see if it
jogs any of my memories.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
I think one of the only things I remember, and
I talked about it really recently on one of the
podcasts is. I do remember that you had a bigger
part on the episode when we started the week, and
then as the week went on, and probably all the
trims and cuts that needed to happen as the episode was,
you know, going, because of all the things you can't
really account for, being out of town and all those things.

(45:03):
I remember there being a frustration with how underused you were,
and it felt like they didn't give you a lot
to play off of. You didn't really have much of
a character, and I remember feeling a little like stuck
between wanting to like should I do? I can't say
anything like these are my superiors, I can't be like
excuse me, but also feeling like this is my best

(45:25):
friend and he they're they're not really doing him justice
for this character, for this role. So I kind of
remember that, and yet I don't remember all the details
of it.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
I do having seen it. I do completely agree.

Speaker 7 (45:37):
So that makes total sense because it was a very
two dimensional, like here he is at a better episode.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, it would have been such a better episode if
if Ronnie had like actual character and like something to do,
because then.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Like there would have been a real wret. Yes, saying
the same thing, an actual threating.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yeah. Yeah, there was no conflict. There was no you know,
there really was no.

Speaker 7 (45:59):
I mean I just watched it. There was Yeah, now
that you mentioned, there was like no issue that we
really had. It was just kind of bouncing around, and
I guess you know, that was That was just that.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
That was about the Lips. That was it.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
That was it.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
You have to say, though, you have to say, probably
top five best character names in the history of Ronnie
Lips Waterman.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
I mean, it has to be top five.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
I just got a little excited when Will said it
that way.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
What did your daughter think when you watched it?

Speaker 3 (46:30):
I don't know what it is. She has got a
very strong attitude.

Speaker 7 (46:35):
She's she's like literally a teenager at seven turning eight
years old.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
I tried to cover her eyes during the kissing part
and she's.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Like no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
And at this point she's just kind of like used
to it.

Speaker 7 (46:47):
We went to the ice cream store the other day
and the lady's like, hey, you know.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
You you look a little familiar. Yeah, he's in La.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
All right, Little Publishers.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
She just throws it out there, like, yeah, my dad's
in that movie. I was like, thanks a lot, appreciate that,
but no, she loves the show, by the way.

Speaker 7 (47:06):
So when we when I first talked to you about
doing it, we started watching episodes and I called Danielle
and I was like, I can get.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Her on the phone. I'm trying to be a cool dad.
I'm like, I get her on the phone, and I did.
Thank you, by the way for.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Taking it, thank you for taking the call.

Speaker 6 (47:19):
We still say that to Danielle when Danielle ever answers
the phone, We're like, thank you, Danielle for picking up
the phone.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Is Danny? There is Danny? They exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
It's like, better be Andy. Better be Andy if I'm
being called Danny. Okay. So later you would appear in
over twenty episodes of Seventh Heaven as Wilson West, a
teen dad, and you were Jessica Biel's serious boyfriend on
the show. It was the WB's most watched show ever,
and now it has kind of made this insane resurgence

(47:50):
over the past two years because on TikTok people are
analyzing it because of some of the more crazy storylines.
So here are just some examples of some story lines
from Seventh Heaven. Simon uses his middle finger and gets
suspended from school. Sheerie Appleby plays Karen, a teenager who
joins a street gang. Ruthie, the white, middle aged mother,

(48:13):
is suspected of being Al Qaeda, forcing family to be
detained at the airport.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
What what wow?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Simon hangs out with Hoffers at school.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Okay? Yes? Or glue? Okay? Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Eric dreams he's Elvis during open heart surgery. The family
dog finds a joint in the house, and Eric threatens
to drug test his entire family, including his five year
old daughter Ruthie.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Wow, can get.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
Before you go on any further, Danielle, this is the
only thing that's been sticky in my head, uses his
middle finger to what.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
I'm hoping flip somebody off?

Speaker 6 (48:58):
Okay, because the way you're there could that storyline could
have gone a lot of places.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Just to flip somebody off and to get from school
from the oh okay, pew So, Andy, do you have
a favorite episode or scene you were in from Seventh Heaven?

Speaker 7 (49:14):
M So, I do remember it, and I wouldn't know
the episode, but I remember it was maybe one of
the breaking up I had, like these really long monologues.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Did you did you do? Seventh of It?

Speaker 6 (49:25):
As well.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
I did not Daniel, did anybody? Okay, So I guess
it would be similar you on your show three camera
or yeah, three camera show, but you got to get
the lines. You had to nail the lines.

Speaker 7 (49:35):
They want them a certain way, and it was like
that on this, uh of course a single film camera show,
but they really wanted every word that like you couldn't
change it so or there was just it had to be.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Literally like it was written.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
But I had two huge monologues and I was so nervous,
but I memorized them and I was like, I'm gonna
nail it, nail it, and I did, and I nailed it,
and I like two hours early, and they were like,
you know, these were a lot of older filmmakers. I mean,
there was a guy director from gun Smoke that was
directing I think that episode, so literally he was a
director from gun Smoke. So that was my highlight when

(50:12):
I got through that day. As far as episodes, the
kid the kids started as a baby and then I
think the second season it popped up to like a
four year old.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
So I had to work with the twins.

Speaker 7 (50:24):
I think there was actually triplets. The second time working
with Jess was great. She is just such a talk
like at the time, such a tomboy. We would like
hang out, go to the movies, do all kinds of
fun things. And I'm sure you remember. I actually think
there was an episode of Thunder ally that Jessica Biel
and Jessica Albert came in the audience.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I don't somebody told me. I was reminded of that,
and I was like, yeah, that probably did happen at
some point, but yeah, Jesse was great, and.

Speaker 7 (50:50):
I don't know, it was nice to be under again,
these are very like professional environments, and at that time
I was, you know, seventeen eighteen, so but yes, as
far as a favorite episode, I mean, I guess any
of the episodes that I Gotta Kiss jess.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Right, pretty awesome ones.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
They stand out.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
One of the main things we've loved about having this
podcast is that it has allowed us to take control
of our own narrative. And it is so easy for
a story to become a clickbait headline and to make
the rounds, and then suddenly the next thing you know,
it has just become fact without there being any connection
to reality or truth. And we have so appreciated having

(51:47):
this platform to provide for ourselves and to our guests
the opportunity to speak on their experiences. And so I
was hoping that we could talk about.

Speaker 7 (51:58):
You mean, when I woke up one day and I
was like, anointed a cult leader.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Talk about Yeah, if that's okay, I'd like to talk
to you about your cult Okay, Okay, Well I'll start.
I'll preface it a little bit. Around twenty fourteen, a
couple of articles started popping up about your shift into
being a spiritual leader, focusing on meditation and healing therapies
and crystals all through what was considered a new church

(52:24):
in Venice called Full Circle. These articles spiraled into calling
Full Circle a cult and you the nineties heart throb
everybody remembered a cult leader. So we got a few
online comments about it, even just before this episode we
recording this episode, so we hoped you could talk about
it and set the record straight, are you a cult leader?

Speaker 7 (52:45):
So in two thoy thirteen, it was just after occupying
and I moved to Venice early twenty in my early
twenties and just really got immersed in the culture and
the community. So and again i'll run through this quickly,
but there was this interesting kind of group of hippie
types if you will. In Venice, and I'm sure if
you guys went on the west side there, there's definitely
a lot of you know, spirituality, if you will. So

(53:08):
I was connected with some folks and we had this opportunity.
There was this the old Harry Krishna Temple, which I
remember when it was the Harry Krishna Temple.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
That's a whole you know, other story.

Speaker 7 (53:18):
And it was sitting there empty, and we're like, yo,
why don't we just get some people together, and like
let's open this place up, and let's you know, we'd
done occupying the street with a bunch of people, and
I was like, let's get it together.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Let's do some positive things for the community. So twenty thirteen,
twenty fourteen, and at.

Speaker 7 (53:32):
One point we had the opportunity to get in there.
We did, which was kind of a looking back, was insane.
I was putting down thousands and tens of thousand dollars.
But we opened it up and we spent three years
and really did build an amazing friend group kind of
like you know, in the senses of what you guys
went through, we went through something really significant from fourteen

(53:53):
to seventeen. What happened was as far as the articles,
of course my history as an actor or no.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Being known in combination with the church.

Speaker 7 (54:02):
It was just it was click bait central, and we
had a few things that happened there.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
But I think the first one that kind of got
it all started was this Vice article.

Speaker 7 (54:11):
They were They came in and you know, I probably
should have had a little bit more media training at
the time, and I was just like, yeah, like everything's great.
There's all these wild things going on, sacred and so
they just really created a very interesting, colorful story and
put you know, put it together, and I think that's
ultimately but we we really just got together and like
we did you know, we did a Sunday thing and

(54:32):
we did I think almost a thousand events in three years,
and it was actually really hard and.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
It was really beneficial to a lot of people.

Speaker 7 (54:39):
I still hear about it now where people are like,
that was such a great time. So it's kind of
the opposite of what I guess, you know, you would imagine.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
There was no you know, doctrine.

Speaker 7 (54:49):
We're not trying to We're just like, you know, get
people together. The co Creator Handbook was a handbook. We
used the elders that we knew out of Hummingbird, New Mexico.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
So for for all intentsive purposes, just a really cool
community center for a bunch of people in Venice for
three years.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
It sounds much more like a group of people at
burning Man more than a group of people at like
in Heaven's Gate.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Yeah, so there's a difference.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Cult leader kind of leads into the Heavens Gate. Maybe
we should have like, yeah, I come up with a
different name.

Speaker 7 (55:22):
I thought Full Circle was pretty good. You know, what
goes around comes around. I don't know whatever, you know.
But again, it wasn't something with like such a specific
agenda at the time.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
It just kind of sort of evolved from a group
of people.

Speaker 7 (55:36):
And like I said, we've had thousands of people come
through over the years and just a ton of different events,
dinner parties and so you know, there was actually a
podcast I heard recently where they were talking about it
and they were trying to figure it out. At the
end they kind of landed on like it just seems
like a kind of a cool place to hang out,
and that's really what it was.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Right.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Do you find that people have people mentioned this to you, like,
do you get it online? Have you ever do you
get asked about it interviews? Do you that you have
to debunk this often?

Speaker 7 (56:03):
I mean, I think at this point we all know
you can't really believe what you read, and it's like
anybody can call anybody anything. I actually did end up
filing a defamation lawsuit against AEG and Newsmax for one
of the things that happened there.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
But you know, they have an ability to basically say
whatever they want.

Speaker 7 (56:21):
I put up a fight. It ends up costing you
money and legal fees. And you know, of course this
recent case of defamation worked out for someone. But at
the time, you know, and I look back at it now,
I'm like, I don't know anybody else that's being called
a cult leader. So it's kind of like a badge
of honor. It's like, yeah, well I was calling you
a cult leader.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Man.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
So looking back now, thirty years since you first started working,
maybe even more, you have a beautiful daughter of your own,
do you see your childhood acting in a positive light?
And would you let aya enter the business?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Ah? Great question.

Speaker 7 (57:01):
So interestingly enough, this week she starts. I got her
into a playhouse a Santa Monica play Santamonica Playhouse, Santa
Monica Playhouse. So she's going to do it a little
after school program. But this summer I did this film
and there was as as we were talking about I
had I had a daughter in the in the movie
and there was a flashback scene.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
So I did her first movie and she did great.
She just had to do a couple of scenes with me.
But she was like it was like nothing to her.
She's like, yeah, what do I say? What do I say?
Let's go. So she's got She's got. It's just a
scared question. She's got it. The question is like we've
all talked about it.

Speaker 7 (57:36):
Is it something where it would be a great focus
of her time?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
You know, I really want her to enjoy, you know,
her childhood.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Obviously, I want to talk to you about ten things
I hate about you?

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah, how could we skip?

Speaker 5 (57:48):
How did you've done a ton of great stuf?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Want to talk to you about? Okay, so ten things
I hate about you? Do you remember auditioning for it?
What was that overall experience like for you?

Speaker 7 (58:00):
I did audition. I remember I was in a white
tank top, which ended up being the helples in the movie. Yeah,
I think if I remember in this of course, these
are the stories they tell you we had. We actually
had a twenty year reunion five years ago. It's the
twenty fifth Jesus this March. Actually, you guys will probably
be putting this out right about about that time. But yeah,

(58:23):
So it was twenty five years ago, and the audition
was at the Disney lot actually.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
The same place that we shot the show. I remember going,
and if I remember correctly, Andrew Disarm was the producer,
and they said, you know, sometime later like, yeah, you
walked into the white tank top and did your thing.
You were Joey.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
I was like, okay, great, cool guy.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
It's great. Joey eat meat on honor.

Speaker 6 (58:47):
Yeah, oh wow, guy's naterman.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
Yeah, geez.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
I mean, if we're going with nickname characters, another good one.
He's like the right under Ronnie, right under Ronnie.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
I'll say, And so did you did you like specifically
bond with anybody on that set? Who were your closest friends? Like,
what was your experience doing the movie?

Speaker 3 (59:08):
That was great?

Speaker 7 (59:08):
Well, we're in a hotel, no cell phones, no even
video games at the time, so we hung out and Tacoma,
Washington for that period of time. I was actually really
again ended up getting really close with Heath, especially after
but even during.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
The time, we would go in his Volvo or know
us that other car it's.

Speaker 7 (59:27):
Kind of like a Volvo Sobs has a Sob Sab.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
We'd drive there was a five mile drive and we
would go up the hill and.

Speaker 7 (59:36):
Not exactly MAUI wowie, but you know what I mean,
something something like that up there and then yeah, Larissa.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Just everybody got along really well.

Speaker 7 (59:44):
It's just one of those iconic experiences in life to
be taken out of your life, being thrown together with
these amazing creative people make a film and a film
that now everybody really considers as a classic, and I
quite frankly think it is, and I think LUSA has
mentioned it too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Like seeing it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:00):
Again, it's like, wow, that was that whole thing really worked,
and it's timeless. There's just nothing particular about it that
stands out that it's dated.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
So if you haven't seen it, go see ten Things
watch it again.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
I haven't seen it, never seen it. You haven't seen it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
I auditioned for it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
I auditioned for it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
I remember auditioning for it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
A bunch of times, actually, like, I don't we have
to watch it?

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Well, it's it's Shakespeare, isn't it. Isn't it based on
Yeah the Shoe, isn't it?

Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Okay, Taming of the Shoe? Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean,
and you know, we're.

Speaker 7 (01:00:34):
What seventeen eighteen years old, so it's like this. You know,
some kids go to college and considering a career as
an actor. To be able to go and share this,
you know, even if it's only for a couple of months,
it's kind of like was my college basically, right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
That's cool, so amazing. We're so lucky that we have
because we all know what that feels like, and it is.
It's such a it's it's basically extended summer camp. Yeah,
you know, where you get to work and you're getting
paid and you're bonding with people and you're sharing these
things with them that like truly a handful of people,

(01:01:09):
two handfuls of people really know what that kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
And also when you're like your whole life can change
in that experience. You know, Like now I think about
like being in your like twenties or thirties and being
an actor.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
It's like you can just go and do a job.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
But like when you're a teenager you go away for
a summer to do a job, you know that those
that can change your life forever.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
And then but then when you're done, you can also
watch it like you have.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
You can go back and look at it whenever you
want to, in those memories and hope running back every time.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Yeah maybe it's not, yeah right, but it's so amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:01:41):
You guys all have this experience too, Like when you're working,
you're not at school, so you're not developing. What was
that like, because you know, it's like very It was
very difficult for me to have any relationships at school
because I'm not there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
But what about you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Well, I went back. I went back to my regular
school all the time. You probably remember that. That's why
I was, you know, in Calabasas all the time. When
I wasn't in an episode, I was at regular school.
And so still to this day. The funny thing is
outside of these you know handful of people that, of
course I have known for my entire life. The majority
of like my girlfriends are the girls I went to
junior high in high school with my best friends, are

(01:02:16):
you know Jamie Jen Jamie like all those girls I
went to school with, but I also was from here.
I was local, like Writer was just from up north.
But he had to go home just on the weekends,
and all of his best friends are still the people
he knew I grew up with that he grew up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
I had to go home.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
I had to like make a huge effort, you know,
And that was at the expense of a lot of
my daily happiness in LA you know, like right when
we talk about like how miserable I was, Like part
of that was, like I didn't think of like boy
Meets World or or any of the stuff we were
doing in La as my real life. Like that was
all like my job and my distraction from my real life.
My real life, my girlfriends, my friends, they were all

(01:02:55):
up in northern California, which you know wasn't wasn't It
didn't great very well, Like in retrospect, if I hadn't
had such an intense duality, like I didn't need it
to be so binary, like you know, in retrospect, I
could have probably integrated a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
But and he probably could have formed friendships with people
down here, and like looked at that as being like yeah,
I'm gonna have two great sets of friends, my LA
friends and my up North friends. And Will truly did
it right in the sense that Will had to move
across the country and life really like started for him
when he got here.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
And wait, how old were you then when you started? Will?

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
I was ten, I started, I started back at started
boy sorry, oh boy, me thrilled.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
I was sixteen, like two weeks or three weeks away
from my seventeenth birthday when I started.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
I always felt like, you know, I was like, Will
is older. Yeah, so well, so how old are you now?

Speaker 8 (01:03:47):
Then?

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
I'm forty seven?

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Okay, so you're wow, you're a little bit. But like
at the time, it was like it like a little
oh yeah, you're the biggest kid.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
You're the biggest oldie the kid. Yeah, And that's that's
always the way it was.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
It was that's the way, and it was it was
weird because I was just talking about this with Jeff
Sherman the other day. I was too old to hang
out with Rider Ben and Danielle and too young to
hang out with Rusty and Betsy and everybody. So I
was kind of in the middle there everybody. I got
along with everybody but they like, I kind of had
to create my own friend group because at the time,

(01:04:19):
seventeen and thirteen is your I mean, you might as
well be two different species.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:04:25):
So you know, the idea that I'd be hanging out
with Writer or Danielle at the time was pretty strange.
Writer and I didn't really start hanging out until later
in the show, and Danielle and I started hanging out
on like Tuesday, So yeah, very different.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Andrew, I want to thank you so much for coming
here and spending your time with us on your birthday.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
Yeah, happy birthday, and thank.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
You for going on this trip down memory lane and
for being vulnerable and opening up with us about full
circle and all of that. I just always such a
pleasure to see you again, and we hope you'll join
us again.

Speaker 7 (01:04:59):
Yes, just to button it with, we're all so very
fortunate you know, in this in this life and having children.
I think I really just want to thank you guys
for doing this and allowing us to kind of go
down memory lane and join these memories together again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
And hopefully we'll see you guys soon.

Speaker 8 (01:05:16):
Yes, definitely thank you to see you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Thank you all right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
By Guy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Oh Man so much fun getting to reminisce with people
and so cool. Thank you for listening to this episode
of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us
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Don't call her Danny March.

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Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
We love you all, pod dismissed.

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