Blake Sennett Meets World

Well, well, well…if it isn’t the return of Joey “The Rat” Epstein, a.k.a. Blake Sennett, a.k.a. Blake Soper. 

And despite being an on-screen tough guy, Blake IRL is a really good dude!

Danielle, Rider & Will discuss Blake’s time on BMW, a career well before his rise to musical stardom, and the personal struggles he had to overcome to be the man he is today.

And can he shine any light on “the hug heard around the world” or at least, explain the greatest line read in show history?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well, he looks so serious. I want to get into
this sem it's hung. Well, I've noticed you have so
many like shirts that just say phrases on them. It
feels like every time we do the podcast, I'm like,
what does that shirt say? What's this one? You're right now?

(00:40):
This one just says don't make me repeat myself history.
Do you buy all your clothes on Facebook? There are
no I found this amazing website and so I've got
now a bunch of different T shirts for the pod.
The last one, you guys didn't see. It said you
might be cool, and then underneath there's a picture of
Teddy Rose riding a moose. It said, but you'll never

(01:01):
be Teddy Roosevelt riding a moose cool. So it's just
all those funky kinds. They're all based on history. It's
really fun. It's really if there's a great it's a
great one of um, it's Martin Luther. It's just a
picture of Martin Luther and just underneath it just says
nailed it. So again, it's all so good. I mean,

(01:22):
Will is everybody's father. Yeah, I love it. It's true. Okay,
so today's guest is somebody I have I've I've not
seen or talked to in probably what twenty seven years,
you guys, Yeah, since the graduation episode. Oh my gosh, okay,

(01:43):
so graduation episode was maybe yeah, yeah, but he was
brought back for that episode. So up until then we
hadn't really been working with him either. So I'm so excited. Well,
he is credited under the name Blake Soaper, our guest
today played Joey the rat Epstein for sixteen episodes of

(02:03):
Boy Meets World, one of the unforgettable new bullies we
just met in the first episode of season two, and
you may also know him from his work on Salute
Your Shorts, Third Rock from the Sun, or as a
member of the incredible band Rilo Kylie. He is now
producing and composing on his own, but most importantly, he's
decided to sit down with us for a trip down
the Boy Meets World memory lane. So let's please give

(02:27):
it up for Blake, senate. Yeah, you're doing man, It's
so good to see you. I know you guys are
old like me. It's the best. Yeah, it's kind of

(02:48):
the best period of my life right now. How about
you guys, yea, yeah, yeah, man, um, you guys are
by the way, like so good at this, like like
like I want to you know what, you should have
a radio show? What a show? But yeah, yeah, you
guys are you guys have been great? Thank you? Do

(03:08):
you have you actually listened to the pod? I have
only caught the Instagram like clips. When you guys have
like a clip, I'll learn things about the show. Like
it's like one said like Mr Turner was like unceremoniously
recently like released from the show, and I didn't even
know he. I had just assumed he was always on

(03:30):
the show. After now we're good in thirty second clips,
I was going to say, so you know for Instagram clips? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And I guess I guess that answers another question, which is,
so after you left the show, did you you never
watched another episode of Boy Meets World. I'm gonna I
never watched another episode after I left the show, and

(03:51):
I never watched an episode that I know when I
was really didn't write Yeah. No, That's why this whole
thing so weird for me. It's like I'm finally seeing
the show and it's like I'm meeting the show for
the first time, and especially like the first season was
was like really nice and like super comforting because we
were like babies. But now that we're into the second

(04:13):
season when you guys come on, it feels like a
completely different show and it's so disoriented. Um yeah, I
really don't. I didn't. Yeah, I had no idea. I
had no idea what we were doing. I mean, I
think here's the thing. When you're doing multicam, you do
see it, right, you see the monitors and like it's
not like it's stylized, You're going to change from week
to week. Like really, so I kind of had a
good idea. You know, it's not like it's completely saying

(04:35):
you've seen one, you've seen them all right, that kind
of a little bit usually visually certainly that's the king
of TV over here. Wow, it was the king of TV.
My life is basically television, not being on it, just
watching it. Yeah yeah, I mean wait, okay to what
you were saying, writer, like I kind of like agree,

(04:56):
Like like for a lot of us I think who
were like kids actors, Like being a kid actor was
like not necessarily in some cases like our idea. Yeah,
Like it wasn't my idea to do that, you know,
so I think every time I saw myself on TV,
I was like, oh my god, this is like what
it's like an imposter or I just didn't feel comfortable.

(05:17):
It's kind of like hearing your voice recorded. It's like
a total bummer, you know. Always so so I think
I always like avoided seeing myself on TV. So yeah,
I never wasn't. I didn't not watch a show because
I was like to sort of pretentious for that particular.
It was the show. It was just anything I was
on was probably not something I was going to gravitate towards.

(05:38):
I mean, I think even by that time in my
like sort of acting career, I had instructed my manager like,
and this was the case with Boys World, please only
send me out for like one liners, two liners, things
I can just bag because I really kind of want
the doll and I kind of don't you know what
I mean, Like that I didn't have I wasn't. I

(05:58):
didn't have like great aspiration since as an actor by
that time, you know, I think you've proven by this
point you were a musician. I mean that's you were acting.
Was like you're you had a great day job, but
you were a musician, you know. Man, I was I was.
I mean, I think I still am, and I think
I probably still am like an actor in some respect,
and I'm other things beyond that, you know what I mean, Like, um,

(06:21):
I think all of us aren't can't be necessarily contained
by like one. I think, um, I mean not to
get to like sort of woo woo here, but like
I think, you know, defining yourself by you know, how
you make dough or what you like to do is
probably um dated concept or right at this point. But
to the point you brought up about not being you know,

(06:43):
getting into acting, wasn't your idea before we get into
you being Joey the rat on Boy Meats World? What
is your acting origin story? How old were you when
you started? Was it ten? And because everyone else for
every almost everyone's ten? Um, and yeah, what was your
story of acting? My origin story was that I was like, um,

(07:06):
a precocious you know kid like I spoke early and
I looked really young. I was always like a small kid.
So um so I think we had a friend of
the family and she had a daughter in the business. Well,
I grew up in San Diego and she she was
from l A And she came by and they asked her, Hey,
what do you think do you think he would like,

(07:27):
you know, thrive or do you think he'd have a
shot being an actor? Look, he looks you know, he's
he's he's ten, and he looks sick. So what do
you think? And she was like, oh, yeah, absolutely, and
I'll manage him. And so she kind of like took
me up to l A and instantly got me like
an agent and and um. And it was obviously like cool,
like it's not like I win in kicking and screaming.
It was like an incredible thing to do in my life.

(07:48):
I think only when I got a little like older,
I started to have like anxiety around like being on camera.
And even with like Joey the Rat, I remember they
would give me like once in a while, they gave
me like a real long thing, you know, and I'd
be like, oh my god, I'm gonna forget to line. Um,
I don't know. Yeah man. So so that was my
origin story. I had just a family friend kind of
like took me and then I would sort of ride

(08:09):
the Amtrak train up to um up to l A
and and and go on auditions or or I'd take
a flight, or I'd get occasionally driven by a parent. Um, yeah,
up to l A. And and by the time you
were on boy Me World, you were you were eighteen
right by that time. Yeah, and we're so were you
already you were living in l A. You'd like moved
up on your own. I was like living on my own,

(08:31):
and it was like this, yeah, yeah, where were you were?
Did you have roommates? I have no idea what you're living?
Situation was like no, I love these questions. Did you
have roommates or what? Like where were you living? What
were you doing? Okay, let me try and think of
the boy Me Like upon moving to l A. I
moved into like a really scary place down like Pico
and Hell, you know, and you know it was like

(08:56):
the donut store like got little fire when I was there,
you know, during the riots, Like it was scary down there,
and it was like me and like six dudes. It
was like a hesher who was like a like, well,
let's say he was into substances and like, um, I
don't know what I'm gonna say, like, but I think
he smoked some crack. Yeah. Yeah. It was like an

(09:16):
intense um indoctrination. It was really terrifying because I tried college.
That's sort of my deal. Like the parents was like
you can go to college or and continue acting, and
I chose college. And then I got to college and
I was like, oh, this sucks, Like this is way
worth than because it was just born or you just
weren't into it. Well, okay, by that time, you're already

(09:37):
you've made money in your life, right, so you're sort
of like in a sense like Lee progued that thing
where you have to get sort of go into a
sort of qudified system where you learned a trade and
then you go into the world and so on. Um.
I think it was that, And it was like I

(09:57):
wasn't probably like you know, when you're acting, whether my
passion was towards like theater or not. I think feeling
special was like cool. And as soon as I went
back into college, I was like suddenly mortal again, you know,
I like Superman took off his deal, I gave up
his powers. Um, so yeah, so that was like I

(10:19):
missed that, and I was like, I think I tried
out for the play was like University Colorado, Boulder, and
I tried out for the for the theater production and
I didn't get a part, and I think there was
a part of me and and that was like and
I think somebody was like, oh, freshman, never get parts,
and I was like, oh you man, I'm feeling I

(10:41):
was like fist. And at the same time, I was
going to no classes and probably flunking out and like
I just was never like the best like world's best students.
So um so yeah, I went back and I moved
in with those that cast of characters. It was like
a band and like a film school student and me
and like six dudes in a two bedroom and man

(11:03):
and then yeah, man, I mean you know, like and
then by the time boy me world came around, I
think I was finally like living on my own. Like
you weren't at the oak Wood. No, I like, I
like went the other way in where you like move
into the like weird hollywoody area, Like I started Pico,
then I ended up like Orange and Hollywood Boulevard, where

(11:24):
like you know, like, oh, I'm like stars, Yeah you
seemed too cool for the oak Wood. No offense to
the people who lived at the oak Wood, but no,
I was gonna say the same thing, Yeah, you moved
to the oak Woods. Because it's not cool. That's why
you go there, because it's safe, secure there with their moms.
There's a store like you didn't have to leave that
kind of yeah, that's right, was perfect for Rider and I.

(11:46):
But that I mean to Blake's point. That was the
thing that was so strange is you had such an
air when you came on the show of being so
much more advanced in life and more mature that until
I googled you again last night, I would have bet
all the money in my pockets that you were older
than me. And when I looked at it, I was like,
oh my god, we're essentially by less than three weeks,

(12:07):
we're the same age. So you were so you seem
so established and so much cooler, and so the kind
of I've got my life on track that when I
met you, I would have guessed you were in that
I was eighteen and you were, so it was amazing
to kind of see that. I was like, oh my god,
we were the same age the entire time. Yeah, that
was you just had that air about you have. I've
been here for a while, I know what I'm doing.

(12:29):
I've got this locked. Let me do the part I'm
supposed to do, then I'm gonna go out and hang
out with my friends. You just seem to have it together.
So for for somebody like me who I guess was
your age and didn't know it, I was like, oh,
that's how I guess you're supposed to do it and didn't. Yeah,
it was straight. Yeah, maybe it was like a trial
by fire thing. Like I thought, like when I first
came to the show, you guys were like so wholesome

(12:50):
and sweet and kind and decent and like probably the
most like dark thing about you was like Rider's trench
coat and like his John keats under his arm, you know,
like you know, you know, like I mean, that was
the most like God, I was just for keets or
whatever whatever it was, the trench and I carried around
n I remember it. Yeah, I remember that. There was

(13:14):
like you know, you're sort of like you know, sort
of you know, yea brooding thank you, like this sort
of brooding poet. But like you guys were all so
kind and decent and like welcoming that I that I
actually almost like thought it was like disingenuous like that
that at the time, I was like, all these guys
are like they're like They're like it's total sacrain. So

(13:37):
it wasn't you know. I learned later as I went on, like,
oh no, these guys are just like the nicest dudes
and like and even revisiting you guys like on the
like clips that I've seen of the podcast, I'm like, Wow,
these guys are like the same, super nice, like funny, decent,
you know what I mean, And like always thought Will
you were like so fast, like you were so funny

(13:58):
and so talented at like comedy the quickest, Yeah, and
I remember that, and then watching the podcast, I'm like, yeah,
that's that, dude. He's like, Yeah, it's so funny that

(14:18):
you mentioned that and that I'm so happy to hear
that that was your your perception of us, because we
have talked among ourselves about the fact that the way
we felt with you and Ethan was like those guys
are way too cool for us, Like they they don't
want to be here. They I don't think they really
like us. They think we're like, um, I don't know, children, children, Yeah,

(14:46):
which is so funny because it actually reflects the parts
you guys were playing on the show too, and like
I don't know how much that affected is like affected
our mindset because we're still kids, you know, I mean
I was fourteen or whatever, Like how much of it
was the roles you were playing, But also like you
guys just you were like I remember having conversations and
and good conversations and really looking up to you guys,

(15:06):
but feeling totally intimidated, like feeling like you guys were
just the coolest people I've ever met, and like that
you lived this like crazy l a existence that none
of us understood. That I just I wanted to be
a part of so bad, you know, like and by
the time when you guys left the show, I feel
like I kind of did venture into more of Like
if we had met when I when I was like eighteen,

(15:27):
I bet you we would have been instant friends. But
at the time, but fourteen, I was so intimidated by
you guys, but you were the definition of cool. I mean,
thank you. I mean it's funny, like I mean I
didn't feel very cool at the time, but like it's
funny like in reflecting, like obviously like one doesn't sit me,
I don't. I haven't thought a lot about boy meats world.

(15:49):
And then in you know you guys, right and you
invited me to do this, and so you think about
it and then you watch a little of the clips
and you sort of it's sort of like, it's interesting
that you guys were in its sense, like this wholesome
bunch and writer you were a little bit like Emo
or whatever, and Sean was like a little bit right
sand and then like and then like Ethan and Danny

(16:12):
and myself and like um Adam Adam Scott. Yeah, we
all kind of had like a whiff of darkness about
us in like real life too, you know what I mean.
And it kind of speaks to the brilliance of like
the casting and Michael Jacobs and like that he like
that they created this um this ecosystem that like reflected
our real true characters. Because I think even and I

(16:33):
were a little we did connect because we both had
that like a little whiff of darkness. Yeah. Yeah, well
you mentioned Michael, and I one of been looking up
some of the projects you had done before you got
to Boy Meets World. You had done Family Ties, which
we mentioned a ton on this shows, like you know,
one of his favorite shows of all time. But then
you also appeared on My Two Dads for two episodes

(16:55):
in seven did you Is that where you first met
Michael And was there already a relationship with Michael before
you came onto Boy Meets World. Yeah, I think Michael
liked me or his cast and director whoever that was,
and Michael Barbie, Barbie Block and Sally Steiner. Yeah yeah, man, yeah, yeah,
I think he was always kind to me and always
like like brought me in and stuff. So um so yeah,

(17:19):
I always felt real comfortable with him and and even
like I got really I don't know about you guys,
but I would always get really excited about those days.
Remember there was like a day was maybe Thursday or
where Michael would come and sit and talk to everybody
about what was working, what was not. Mondays and Tuesday, yeah,
after the run through, so we start we would start
our weeks on Fridays with the table read to a
light rehearsal, then Monday full day rehearsal and run through

(17:41):
that afternoon for the producers, then Tuesday rehearsal and and
then network run through and those after those um run
throughs is when we get those marathon note sessions. Yeah. Yeah,
and I always get excited, like I felt like I
was watching somebody I felt like I was watching like greatness,
Like I always got really excited to just watch him work.
You know, yeah, those notes sessions are we we have

(18:02):
so many memories of those notes sessions, and some of
them I remember a similar feeling a lot of times
of just being like it felt like watching its own
show in a lot of ways. And you and I
do remember also feeling very much like I had an
understanding of what the script was, and then listening to
Michael talk about it, I'd be like, oh, there are

(18:23):
so many layers here that he's intending that I did
not pick up on, that we would discover um during
the note session. Do you remember your audition for Boy
Meats World? I do, I do, Yeah, I remember it. Um.
I had done a character kind of like that on
like UM Wonder Years and I and it was Fred

(18:46):
Savage and I think I did two episodes there. And
I think when I read it again, like I was
probably in a period where I was like, well, how
do I Well, it's just where I was at. So
I was in a where I was just trying to
book stuff. I wasn't like going in like I need
to feel this, and I'm like I wanted to book it.

(19:07):
So I was like, Okay, this is kind of a
this is a kitchy thing to New York accent, and
I think I just I don't know how I think
of My voice was kind of pitched higher, and I
think and and then um, yeah, I went in did
it for producers. I didn't go in for Sally or whatever.
It was just straight to producers. And then I think
I booked it instantly. Um, and I think, you know,

(19:30):
I think you guys know this, but it wasn't meant
to be recurring, you know. It was just a one
deal and that Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, so
we were just one episode and then they and then
they just I guess dug it or whatever. You know.
I'm sorry, I can't get over so so far. I'm
I've just heard my two dads Family Ties one years.
You've been on some of the most iconic sets in

(19:52):
the history of Terris. That's amazing totally. And hearing that you,
like I loved Family Ties so like, like Alex P.
Keaton to me is like part of the reason I
was like, oh, this is yeah, act exactly have you
seen Back to the Future like recently, it's oh, yeah,
it's right. It's only works because it's perfect, only works

(20:15):
because of his performance. Yeah, it's p I said the
same thing after I said it's perfect movie. It's perfect.
It's absolutely perfect. Yeah, so wonderful. So what do you
Immediately after getting the part, you're put in a little
gang with Danny McNulty and Ethan. Did you know either
one of them before starting Boy Meat's World or was
that your first introduction to them? That was my first introduction.

(20:38):
But Ethan and I became friends pretty quickly. Um, Ethan
had no we had. Ethan and I had a couple
of friends in common, but um, but I didn't know them,
but we became friends quickly. I mean, um, did you
starting off of set? Yeah, you had like after yeah
yeah yeah, yeah, totally to us, like you guys have

(21:00):
known each other forever. Yeah. I mean Ethan's like one
of those dudes. I mean he's gonna come on or
he has come on coming yet. Yeah. He just has
a kindness and and just a gentility about him that
like he's just magnetic. So I don't know, I just
kind of like like being around the dude. I don't know,
you know, So yeah, I have to play you a

(21:21):
clip because we watched We've Been you know, obviously we're
in season two watching the recap, and we recently watched
episode two oh three and I we'se laughed like could
not catch my breath and rewound the line of yours
five times. I think it's now in the running for

(21:43):
one of my favorite jokes on the show. And it's
not even because of the It's not because the joke
is that funny. Your delivery is absolutely genius. And I
we pulled the clip because I have to play it
for you. It is one of the funniest things I've
ever heard. So let's listen to it, because Harley's got
a whole lot of fole is from guys who have
done the same thing. The guys saying cooking now because

(22:05):
they got no hears what I'm saying, you're saying, okay.
So basically what happened is Sean over here is you
guys having a conversation, and he comes over and says like, hey,
you know what you were talking about? And Danny as Harley,
gets very angry and goes, hey, did I give you

(22:25):
permission to eavesdrop? And you say, yeah, Harley's got a
locker full of ears from guys who were doing the
same thing. Now their glasses hang all crooked because they
ain't got no ears. You like, this is the funniest thing. Yeah,

(22:49):
that's amazing, Like that was like nostalgia. But it's hard
to believe that was me. It's kind of beautiful in
a way, like you were doing a real character work.
Were doing like a fool and ethan, like completely committed
to these pretty ridiculous characters, and you made them work.
I mean they're iconic. It's so good, you made them hilarious.

(23:09):
I really do encourage you to go back and watch
some of your episodes because they're really good. You will
be so impressed with yourself. Yeah, cool, thanks, I will.
I mean, where do you This is weird? But like
is it just YouTube or like Disney Plus? Okay, we
have Disney Plus. We have Disney Plus, Great Disney Plus,
Boy Meets World season two pop on? It was I

(23:32):
only in season two? No, I think also season three. Okay,
that kind of amazed me. Danielle when you at because
you know, we alread give an intro for for the
guests coming on when you said sixteen episodes, this is
another one where I would have guessed it was a
lot more because you, You, you loom so large. I
think in our collective memories of the show, you and

(23:55):
Ethan and Danny that when you hear you only did
sixteen episodes out of what the hundred and fifty eight
we did, I never would have guessed that. I would
have thought you were there for several seasons worth of
the show. I mean, in my head, you were. So
it's so strange you figure college took over. I mean,
that's the thing. We kind of forget that the last
three years of the show. We're out of high school
and we'll just keep reinventing himself. That's what we That's

(24:15):
what we find is that season one was one sitcom
into itself. We're now three episodes into season two, which
it's a completely different show, and that's going to continue. Yeah,
we're gonna then We're gonna go to college. Is gonna
be totally different again. And so it's very strange. But yeah,
in our minds for some reason, why in my speaking
for me, in my mind, you you were there for
most of it. So it's so so we we said

(24:37):
that the same thing with Danielle for season one. It's
like no, You're in all the episodes. She's like, no,
I did like eight, Like wait what So it's um,
it's strange how your memory does that. We're we're looms
so large. I don't want, I don't mean to jump
ahead in your career, but I very briefly want to
tell a story because my arguably one of my single
favorite behind the scenes memories of Boy Meets Were involves

(25:00):
you by far, and I think about it often because
it was a really cool moment in my life. You
brought your guitar and Jenny Lewis visited you on the
set and we were in it was either my trailer,
your trailer, somebody's trailer. I want to say it was myself,
it was Ben Rider. I don't know if you were there,
Daniel was there. You were there and for an it

(25:23):
must have been an hour. You guys just played acoustic
for us, and it was one of the coolest days ever.
I can't even explain why it touched me so much,
but it was. It to the point where it got
me out of my house. I was a total introvert,
and like you said, there was a danger side which
I never had. The following week, I think I drove

(25:44):
to Spaceland, which is a club out here in Los Angeles,
to to hear musicians, and sat to watch you play
not anymore really, yeah, to watch you play because I
was so enthralled by this day of just listening. We
just sat there and listen. Nobody said a damn word
and you guys just played song after song and it
was unbelievable. I don't even know if you remember that,

(26:05):
but it was such an artistically inspiring day for me.
For I mean, I have no musical talent whatsoever, but
just sitting there watching it happen in front of me
was truly amazing. It's something I think about often. So
you know, you never know when you do something that's
so par for the course for you but really touches
somebody else. And so I just want to thank you

(26:26):
for that. It was you guys shared that with us
for for like an hour, and it was it was
really unbelievable. So it was so blake. Maybe you should
do something with the music maybe that maybe I don't
know it it was really it was really amazing for me.
So yeah, that was that was a great day. Thanks
well that Yeah, that was a cool time for me

(26:46):
and like my life too, Like Jenny and I were
so you know, NonStop um doing that. So, um, that's cool, man,
what an honor? Like I think in a sense that's
like that's like what life is eased of is these
like poignant moments you like remember and and I think
I think that's like one thing that's like really cool

(27:08):
about what you guys are doing because I think so
many kids grew up with your show or this show
where whatever our show. I don't know, um our show, yeah, sure,
our show. Yeah, this thing that we contributed to who
are like they feel connected to what what um that show?
And to see you guys go through it and have
a personal experience, you know, acting I stopped acting, um

(27:38):
for music, did that for a while, right lo Kylie.
Then we stopped doing ray Kylie. I did another band
that was on Atlantic, and then um, after that, I
moved to Nashville, so um, so I was there and
in Nashville, Um, we were living at a baby and
then sort of COVID comes a long and sort of

(28:01):
acts as sort of a stringent or an antibiotic for
anything in your life that maybe isn't bringing more pleasure
or more worth than it is pain, and I think
music started to fall under that umbrella, you know. And
I thought i'd experience experiment with what would life look
like if I wasn't like a musician anymore? And and

(28:22):
I made a record first, and who knows. You know,
life has a way of sort of oscillating. Just when
you say I'm not a musician anymore, things come back
or whatever. Yeah, I don't necessarily, Um, I didn't walk
away from music with any anguish or or or resentment,
just like okay, like let's try and not that now.

(28:44):
Um and um, so you probably want to know what
I do for money, right, for a living or is
that I'd like to know the same about you guys. Um? Um,
So I kind of got into like a real estate
stuff and I'm a landlord. I owned some commercial buildings

(29:04):
and um, what's my wife? And I flipped the occasional
house and um and um yeah, so we have like
rents and then it's kind of like my band with
my wife, So we buy a house, will make it
beautiful and selling it feels like being in a band.
We get to talk and huddle up and be creative. Right, yeah,
are you then, Nashville Marsden, you ever see Jason Marsden.

(29:29):
He reached out when I first moved there, but and
he was such a nice guy always. But no, we
never we never saw each other. Yeah, we never saw
each other. Would you ever consider acting again? Yeah, man,
of course I would. I mean, I mean, I think
when I was like in that band Night Terrors, someone
came from Girl Meets World or whatever and said, hey,
there's this job for uh the janitor. Would you you know,

(29:53):
I think Danny ended up doing it, and she said
you would you do it? And I was like, I'm
kind of in this band right and she was like, yeah,
so great, would you do it? And I was like,
I know, because I'm We're going on tour and it's
just you know whatever. But at the time, like there
was a part of me that like sort of seemed um,
that seemed like appealing. I don't know, I think life

(30:13):
is so short, you know, like why not try stuff
that scares you? And and of course, like I think
I've always been a creative above all else. I think,
you know, um, I can relate with what you said.
Will I think there were times where like anxiety came
into like acting for me. But yeah, I think I
do it again. Yeah, why not if if somehow the

(30:35):
call rose? Yeah, So a question, how old is your
daughter gonna have to be before you start her on
boy Meats World? Oh my god, I mean she's four
and you just said you guys just told me I
can watch it on Disney Plus and I should. And
my first thought was, oh, I gotta show Tuesday. That's
my daughter's name, and I like and and I was like,

(30:59):
that was my first She probably won't give it, you
know what I mean, like, she probably like, Okay, that's weird?
Is that even you? I don't know. So we're going
to have Danny McNulty on soon and so we will
talk to him about his experience and and all of that.
But I do want to know what was your what
is your memory of the time period where Danny left

(31:21):
the show and then Adam Scott was brought in and
now you guys had this like new leader of the pack?
What are what were what are your memories of that
experience and what was that like for you? Um? Well,
my experience with that was like I was hanging out
with Ethan and Danny separately as friends, and I remember
going to Danny's house one night and he started to

(31:44):
we're drinking red wine, and he started to like talk
about some stuff that seemed like a little heavy, not
heavy or not based in sort of like this plane
of you know, sort of reality or whatever, um, you know.
And so I think I was like, oh, Danny's trippy,
like you know, like like you know, because that's what
I thought. Oh, he's kind of out there. Maybe he

(32:05):
takes a lot of acid, you know what I mean.
I didn't know what we're going on. He just seemed
And then I think there was an episode that Danny
and Ethan were in and I wasn't in, and Ethan
called me, He's like, yo, bro, the table or or
I didn't come to the table read something, because I
think I came like the next day. Maybe that's what happened.
They excused Danny from it and brought me in to
take because Ethan couldn't be alone, and and I was like,

(32:27):
I don't know what's going on, and and Ethan was like,
Danny at the table read right, started to have some
kind of episode, and right, yeah, but dude, I remember
you being there. I remember you being at the table.
I remember you kind of helping him. Yeah, you helped
him you pointed him out to the script where to be,
and I remember seeing you because remember and you like

(32:50):
picked it up and you put it there, and you
were like right here, man, right here, and you were
like helping him along. And I remember as a kid,
we were just like, what is happening? I remember now.
So there was something that Ethan told me about that
either predated that or right after that. Ye, yeah, totally,
but yeah, yeah, I remember him leaving and then there
was like one and it was kind of weird. It
was like psychologics sudden. Yeah, and at that stage of

(33:13):
my life maybe like you guys hadn't experienced that. That
was like, no, he got to go get some help
or whatever. Yeah, So I was like, oh, should we
visit him? And like I think Ethan went visited him
and and which is very that's Ethan, you know, it's
so sweet. Um and um. And then they brought in

(33:33):
some other guy for one episode. Yet they brought in
one the other guy hard. I think they changed it
to Harvey or something ridiculous like that. I think they
might have just changed like one letter, but kept just
brought in a guy for to just do exactly the same.
That was the motorcycle episode. Righthere're supposed to up the

(33:55):
motorcycle and it's likely so we're supposed to not notice.
It's just another dude, just like what really, we're just
supposed to not pick that up. You're not gonna change
the television man. Now, this is a different guy playing
exactly the same role. It was really weird. It was weird.
It was weird, and it was like, okay, don't ask,
you know, don't nobody saying anything. Yeah, nobody looked behind

(34:16):
the curtain. Nobody looked behind the cart. And then they
brought in Adam Scott. And it was interesting because like
Ethan As I recall, boy mean's what was his very
first job, like ever ever ever, like Taft Hartley, like
newest and I remember yeah talking to him being like
hey man, so this is how it works, this is
what you do, lunches at this and then Adam Scott,

(34:37):
I think, same thing where it was very first thing
ever and like the same thing where so there was
like these two guys now that we're sort of green
and I was the sort of veteran or something, the
old pro yeah, but Adam was like, you know, he
had that whip of darkness or whatever, and he was
real kind of sarcasting, had a funny sense of humor.
And that's why he never made it. That's why he

(34:59):
never made it any lack of talent. Yeah, So I
remember hanging with those dudes a lot, Ethan and Adam. Um. Yeah,
I don't know, man like it was a good spot
to meet friends, apparently for me. I don't you know, um,
but yeah, it was great. I was sad when me

(35:20):
and Ethan no longer you know what I mean, we're there,
you know, how did you find out? You like, what
was the I don't we don't remember because we haven't
watched the show. I don't remember what your exit from
the show was. Do you remember what your last episodes
were or when you found out you weren't going to
be returning. So Ethan and I in like hiatus after

(35:42):
sort of sort of towards what what would end up
being the end of our tenure. Ethan and I saw
the next season coming, and we thought we should write
a script. Let's write a script and it will be
the first episode. It'll be the first episode of the
next season. So me and Ethan work on this script
and we write like half of it and then we
write like a treatment for all this scenes to follow
up with some pilot skeleton with like jokes and like

(36:04):
we you know, we had like a name for it,
and the whole concept was like Catcher in the Rye, Right,
they're studying Catcher in the Rye, but also like Sean
or Corey I can't remember which feels like holding Caulfield.
He feels kind of crazy. And so we had this
whole like fun idea for this Catcher in the Yeah,
we thought so. Um, so we went in and we
like made a meeting. We pitched it to like Michael

(36:25):
and like all the right good, Yeah, it was a trip. Well,
so we went in and we pitched the script and
they said, okay, that's a great idea. We love the script.
I don't know that we're gonna, you know, buy it,
but we've come here to tell you today that we're
gonna offer you contracts and make you guys official to

(36:46):
the show. Guys are going to be like not regulars,
but you're gonna be like but more than you had
in the past, and they have your own storylines and
all this stuff. And um, I mean Ethan, like we
left meeting high five. Oh my god, how fun this
is going to be so great? Um and never darken
the door that plays again. That was that was it.

(37:09):
We never heard from the beginning. We never came back, Yeah, Hollywood.
But I don't think my impression was not that they sca.

(37:29):
I don't think they were like, oh my god, how
dare they let's like I think I think that show
just had these hard elbows in it. What I mean,
like like you would lose like the little girl or
a little boy right in the first see just poof
just gone, a sibling just gone. Like I think that
show just kind of did that. And I think that's
what happened. Is the day we were there, the latest

(37:50):
great idea was like the police should have more of
a presence, and then somebody had a better idea, so
that was it. We just never heard from anybody again
until there was like a graduation episode yea three years later,
and then we kind of came back. And because we
talked about how they never told us anything ever, it
was we would show up on set and somebody wasn't there,

(38:11):
or somebody knew would show up, or somebody we were
just never told anything. And we also had very much
a similar feeling to the way you described the Danny situation,
where it's like, Okay, jn't ask anything. We also had
a little bit of like, if we're supposed to know it,
someone will tell us. If no one tells us anything,
we are just not supposed to know. Yeah, you can

(38:36):
also get away with a lot more when you didn't binge,
when there are breaks between seasons and you had months off,
you could make it seem new when you came back,
as opposed to Hey, I'm watching thirty seven episodes in
a roaw tonight. Okay, Wow, there's a new little sister.
I mean, it's just it's different now than it was then,
but still it's just it's one of those things where
again being being a television addict, Frankie and Joey are

(39:00):
such awesome television tropes. I mean, it's Lenny and Wiggy,
It's I mean, these are these are favorite This is
These are famous television characters that are being brought onto
the show essentially in a new light, and they could
so easily slip into the awful cartoony this is gonna
last an episode because there is no depth. They're just
the terrible kind of come in say a line and

(39:21):
leave and again a tribute to you and and um
Ethan where it wasn't that. I mean, you guys started
to get your own storylines and started to get you.
We learned about you know, Frankie's family and all that.
I mean, it's that easily could have so been a
one episode exactly we're talking about. We came in for
one episode, we said some funny things in the hallway,
and then you're gone. But you get the chemistry was

(39:42):
just so right that it was like, how do we
not pivot to writing to these people? So yeah, it
was it was great, Yeah, yeah, it was yeah. Thanks.
I mean it sort of just felt at the time
like you know, it's funny like we look back and
we can sort of like savor it, But at the
time it felt so like, you know, we were on
sort of you know, if it's basketball, we're on a
ten day you know, like we were not signed for

(40:04):
any more than the episode we were doing at the time,
So there was always this feeling like, okay, you better
do good. Um yes, But like looking back, you know,
I wish in a sense like hearing you guys say,
oh you thought we were so cool, it's funny because
like I didn't feel like that was the case. I
felt like we were sech like we were lower casts

(40:25):
sort of people. You know, we were guest stars or whatever. Um,
it's it's funny yet to hear that later, I mean,
it wasn't sort of. I mean, I don't remember walking,
you know, skulking around thinking you know, I'm you know,
you know, lower lower class citizen. But but I mean,
it was just nice to hear hear from your guys perspective. Um,
and it was super fun, like you know, yeah, yeah

(40:50):
it was. It was cool and it was it was
also like one of those things that made me okay,
it was super cool, and it was also simultaneously one
of seeing how you guys all interacted the like grace
and like ease at least that's my perception with with
which you guys like approached each day. And you guys

(41:11):
were so young, made me feel like, oh, I better
quit this job. I can't do Like I am like emo,
I am troubled. I have issues, you know what I mean,
Like I have sink. Like these guys are just like
sailing through this. These guys are like twelve and they
act like their thirty five and Will somehow like this

(41:32):
like comic genius whirling around and meanwhile you like sort
of learned that like maybe Will, you were having some
kind of like panic and you know what I mean,
and you know, like it's just cool to like humanize
it all like later it's like really beautiful and sort
of well, that's one of the things you started when
we started talking, you mentioned that, and we we all

(41:53):
talked about this all the time, where we love the
ages that we are and we love getting older, and
I think one of the reasons is because of that
exactly what you're talking about, where you start to realize
that everybody is has their own issues, everybody is going
through their own thing, everybody, you know, and you're looking
at somebody saying, man, that person's life is perfect. It's not.
There's no such thing as the perfect life. Everyone's going

(42:15):
through their own thing. And just because we grew up
in an industry where people got to watch us grow up,
it doesn't mean we're not all real people going through things.
So we're always our own harshest critics. And you know,
you're looking at you know, I was looking at you
the entire time, going, man, that's God. He's got all
these cool friends and he's a musician and he just
walked onto the set and he owned the thing. And

(42:35):
I'm going home by myself and I'm you know, taking
long showers because they calm me down. And it's so
you and you were at the the time. We're like,
I can't do this there. Look at how put together
they are and I'm going through. So it's just again,
I love the age I am because you get to
look back and kind of say, yeah, we're all people
and going through what we go through, and we've all
earned the gray that we've got, which we can all

(42:56):
see on our zoom like Somebody, which again is due
to beef by Danielle Fischel. You're checked in the mail,
Thank you very much. Like do you have any favorite

(43:17):
behind the scenes memories or just any favorite memories from
being on set? Will shared one of his um, do
you have any oh Man favorite behind the scenes memories?
I think like me and Ethan used to whenever we
would get there in the morning, we would like, um,

(43:38):
tableweed and then we boom. He'd be in my trailer
or I'd be in his, and we always had a
like we often had like books and they were always
sort of like, you know, mine was sort of like
Jon Fonte and his was like market assad. They were
like insanely not And I think that little like brotherhood
where we'd sit and like tell each other about our

(43:59):
book and music and just talk and talk philosophy. And
I think we were cool and you know what I mean,
think we were as as deep as you know the
books were reading. UM. It was like just kind of
kind of beautiful. You know, it was like it was
like a really special thing, you know. I don't know, Yeah,
I don't know. It's still talk not really no, but

(44:24):
not no rift. I mean, I think geography has a
lot to do with that. When we moved to UM
Nashville five years ago, I think we were like, okay,
you you're gonna when you draw, geography changes like you
checking him with your l A people is probably more
of like a UM, like a four or five friend thing.

(44:46):
Hopefully probably not going to keep all of them. But
I think if I called him or texted him, he'd
be quick to respond. You know, I have one more
question for you, And because this is so fun, I'm
only assuming I'm taking up too much of your time,
Like no, no, I had to ask this question because
when we had Adam Scott on, he told the story

(45:06):
that none of us remembered. Has already been on Adam. Yes,
Adam has come on the show, and he told us
about his experiences and what he remembers and how he
got the part, and um, you, it's actually saying that
we all seemed very saccharin and sweet. His perspective was
his perception of us was a little bit like, oh,
they're like, we're not allowed to talk to them, like

(45:28):
they're they're the stars of the show. We're supposed to
keep our distance. So he and he did feel very
taken in by you and Ethan, like you guys were
very warm and welcoming and made him feel comfortable, and
he talked about the fact that he was very green
and didn't really know what was going on and that
you helped guide him and all that. But he told
a story that none of us remembered, and it has

(45:49):
been eating away at him. He hadn't shared it with anybody.
He had just recently started telling the story to like
people in his inner circle. And the story is that
at the end of the season, there was like we
taped the last scene and It was this big celebration
of that's it, that's a rap end of the end
of the season, and everybody was like high fiving and hugging,

(46:12):
and you and Ethan both hugged Writer, and so Adam,
who was standing there and didn't know Writer as well.
Adam like just turned and gave Writer this hug, and
Writer hugged him and then kind of out of nowhere,
shoved Adam away and looked at him like dude, and
then ran away and then walked off like no recollection

(46:32):
of this whatsoever, No idea what he's talking about now?
I knowing writer the way we no writer. Absolutely, something
else was going on there, like Writer is a very
huggy person. It is not. It is not just that
Adam hugged writer, and Writer didn't feel like he knew
him well enough to get a hug. Like something else.
Writer just lost power. I can talk about him, good,

(46:56):
We'll talk about him now. What do you really think
a writer? Blake? Yeah, go for it. Look, do you
see the cool the cool side of town infrastructure exactly exact,
exactly exactly so we remember and we didn't really talk
about it a lot, but you and Ethan used to
kind of like play pranks like you guys would like

(47:18):
you know, I was wondering if you have any memory
of this hug or of this exchange, because one of
the things I thought may have happened is like when
Adam went to go hug writer, you like, grabbed Writer's
butt or did something that that maybe made Writer think
Adam had done something, because I have memories of you
guys like basically being kind of sneaky, but in a

(47:42):
fun way, not sneaky in a in a bad way,
just like pulling, pulling little pranks. Do you have memories
about at all? I think Ethan and I probably, like
I mentioned before, sort of this well the width of
darkness would go back to you know, I think that
I probably played pranks. I doubt we would have played
them on rock, like I wouldn't have grabbed riders, but

(48:04):
at that time because or you know what I mean,
You know I would have done that to Ethan. But
like I think what Adams said, I can relate with
around you guys feeling a little bit like the you
guys were like the royals and we were Now this
wasn't coming from you, but in general, you probably didn't
want to go like goose, you know, thirteen year old

(48:25):
ride or whatever. You know, that was probably not you know,
probably a good rule of thumb, not to year old. Yeah,
so I don't know, man, I don't remember that, but
it's amazing. Maybe like John Keats was just hitting with
too hard that day. I don't, I don't, I don't know. Yeah,
I don't have a memory of that. Let's just do
another hour on making fun of riders. Since his powers out,

(48:54):
I was asking Blake if he had any sort of
memory of him and Ethan playing like I mean, I
guess pranks is not really the right word, but I
wanted to hear from your perspective, like what we talked
about whether or not maybe Blake or Ethan did something
like grabbed your butt or something that made it seem
like Adam had maybe done that in order to get
you to have that reaction. Um, And Blake said he

(49:14):
didn't think he would have done anything like that because
he would have felt like he couldn't have done that.
But I wanted to know if that is, like, what
are your no, I remember Blake doing it like that
all the time. When she was saying it the second time,
I thought, actually that would have been a good time. Yes,
there was some I feel like you guys were always

(49:35):
doing bits like that, Like there was all like you
were always like part of like why it was hard
to keep up with you guys, or why I felt young,
was that you were always doing They would layers of
jokes and like there was a level of sarcasm that
I just did not have, Like I had no irony
in my life whatsoever. I was like the most earnest
fourteen year old fourteen through sixteen year old ever And

(49:58):
I remember you guys kind of taking advantage like and
I also remember no in a loving way, like I
always felt like you guys liked me. I just never
felt cool enough to keep up with like the layers
of jokes that were going on like you guys. I
don't know if you guys already discussed this, but Adam
told the story of how he told you guys, like
a really really dirty joke, and your response was, Uh,

(50:22):
you should tell that to Tony Quinn. He loves dirty jokes. Yeah, Yes,
Adam went and told like the dirtiest joke possible to
Tony Quinn and you guys just let him week on
this and just let him out there left him to
drive Hong about to drive. So like I have a feeling,
like I remember you guys used to like grab our

(50:43):
knees all the time. Do you do horsebreads corn and
like squeeze our yes, sure, Like I feel like something
was going on behind the scenes when Adam hugged me
that because there was no reason I would have like
shoved him away, But I have a feeling something was
going I was either part of some bit I was
doing with you guys is or I have no idea
like yeah, maybe the picture asked or something when um, yeah,

(51:07):
it's possible, it's possible, and like it's true, Blake, I
want to know. I want to know about how, how
and when you stopped acting and and then I think
it seems to coincide with the name change, Like I'm
curious about how that all went down, like how conscious
was it and how much of it was just sort
of a slow fade, because like I know, like I say, oh,

(51:29):
I quit acting, but the truth was, it was like
this slow dissolved. You know, It's like the audition stopped happening,
or I started doing projects I really hated, and I
found myself more and more unhappy and like in bad situations.
Since then, it was finally like no, no, no no, I'm
officially done. Was like a hard line. I finally had
a draw. But it took a while, you know. So
I'm curious about how that happened or like when Ryan

(51:49):
o'ciglie came up. Is that when it happened, or what's
the story there. I think I had had during my
time as an actor. I think I was struggling with
some substance stuff and that stuff came to a head,
let's say, and um, well I almost died, like so,

(52:16):
so I sort of got like, you know, brought back
to life and on upon this, I um, I I
sort of came to so to speak, the next day
and I was like, well I got it, figure something
else out. So I was able, you know, with the
help of of um things that are at our disposal

(52:36):
of these days, I was able to to to get
help and and with that near death stuff, especially at
sort of like your own at least that's the way
I saw it at the time your own hand. I
think I I felt like a reassessment was in order,
and I was like, you know, I really don't I

(52:57):
love acting, And at the time. I loved music. That's
all I thought about, It's all I wanted to do.
So I just decided that if I were to try
to act and do music simultaneously, that I wasn't going
to succeed at music. That that just wasn't gonna happen.
Whether it's like knowing that the safety net was there

(53:19):
or um, not having a focus. You know, I'm a
pretty I can be pretty obsessive in my work, and
and so I decided I was, um, gonna just do that.
So I called sort of my mom and said, hey,
you know, this is what's going on. Also, I'm quitting
acting and going to music. And she's like, that's not

(53:40):
a great idea, but okay, And you know, and it
wasn't a scary scary for mom, And it was probably
a terrible idea on paper. If my kid said that
to me, I'd be like, what are you doing? Like,
you know, hard it is to get as far as
you've gotten, um um. And perhaps had I been doing
like you know, had I been doing Scorsese movies, I

(54:00):
would have felt differently. Um, But you know what I mean,
because I did have a pretense about me what you
know what I mean? A little or or that feeling like, um,
I wanted to, you know, do something meaningful. I think
later I've learned that doing something meaningful it doesn't necessarily
have to do with your work, you know. Um. It
can be meditation, it can be kindness, it can be learning,

(54:21):
it can be parenting. You know, those are the things
that I've almost felt most meaningful in my life. Um So, yeah,
that's what happened. I abruptly decided I wasn't gonna act
anymore and and and went full head first into music.
And I called Jenny and I said, Okay, there's this
thing we've been sort of putting off and and I
think we should. Uh you know, I'm going to go

(54:43):
into music. That's what I'm going to do. Would you
come and sing some backups? That'd be great? And she
said no, I want to sing lead. And I was like,
okay then, And that's what happened. We just started, you know,
That's how I remember it, and I worked. Yeah, yeah,
it worked out. It was great. It was really really

(55:03):
some incredible times in my life. Um, we're touring in
that band, and you know, touring with like Modest Mouse
and Bright Eyes and us. I mean that's like just
for me, like the coolest you know, European tour or
whatever it was. Um playing like Madison Square Garden with
you know, like all those things are like like it's
funny like when you're doing them, and I don't know

(55:24):
if you guys related to this, but like when you're
doing them, you think like, well, I'm doing this, but
I really want to get think always that's never ends, right,
that never ends, Like yeah, I mean I think it can.
If with I think it can, but not at that
age it couldn't. Um So, so looking back, yeah, it's like,

(55:44):
oh my god, I've like the coolest like photo library
in the world, you know what I mean. Once I
feel that way, I think I think I work on
that now though the like, yes, the craving that that
oh god, misery. All I have a million bucks, I
need to I need ten whatever. It might be money
or not as easy as it's supposed easy to express

(56:06):
in money. Um in this moment for me, umah, maybe
I can. I definitely feel like jelly bellies too, though,
don't get me wrong. Um yeah, it's going like no,
I feel like craving that friction, that course feeling, you know,
not to get to, um, you know, a nice n
inn over here. But you know, like you know, just

(56:26):
like Okay, it's cool, this is it, this is this
is is this is cool, this is good. Well, we've
talked about it a lot on the show, the like
burnout that you can feel, especially when you've started as
a child, like as a child actor. And do you
think I know, you know, we talked about you mentioned
the substance abuse issues that led to near death. Um,

(56:48):
do you think like, were you burnt out before you
got to that point? Do you think you were experiencing
a certain amount of acting burnout that led to that
or do you think that burnout helped lead you to
even acting. Well, maybe burnout shows up for everybody a
little differently. For me, I think, yeah, some burnout. I
think the burnout was like that that lack of control,

(57:12):
you know, and always feeling like, oh my god, I'm
like walking on a tight rope and I'm just when
am I ever going to not feel so like? Um
that and I hated driving across town to like Abbot
Kinney to like try out for stuff, you know what
I mean? I like that part too, you know, like

(57:32):
and um, and yeah, I think I had. I think
I had probably some burnout around that, wanting to just
feel normal or something, wanting to feel some sense of
control or ownership over what I did with my day,
you know. And do you feel like you have that now? Definitely?

(57:54):
Definitely yeah. Yeah. I'm like going to you know, Italy
for two weeks and you know what I mean or whatever,
and I'm like bringing my daughter and my wife and
my mom and like, yeah, yeah, yeah I do, man,
I do. I mean there's always something you know right
to me. It's almost like the psyche spiritual like whatever.

(58:18):
This work is my favorite stuff now, you know. Yeah,
it's good for you. Man. I'm so excited that we
were able to reconnect with you. Thank you for agreeing
to do this with us, Thank you for taking time
out of your day. Of course, you guys are so
nice and cool and like when I first writer wrote me,
my feeling was like, oh, I want to you know,

(58:39):
I want to support like I want of course, I
want to contribute. And now being here, I'm like, wow,
I got so much out of this, Like, yeah, I'm
glad you figured then, what twenty seven years since we've
seen each other that you guys look amazing. So do you.
We're all old and happy. Um yeah, I'm I'm so
I'm so happy that we at this and you know,

(59:00):
thank you for again for your time and for your
generous spirit being here with us and your honesty all
of that good stuff. Um, this was a real pleasure. Yeah, yeah,
really good to see you. Yeah, come back and do
a rewatch episode with us. I'd love to, man, I
would love to just be a watch because he has
never seen it. So's and before we do a watch,

(59:25):
I encourage you to go back and and watch some
of your work on Boy Meats World and allow yourself
to be impressed with you the same way we are
impressed with you. And really good. It was really really
really special. Yeah, thank you, Yeah, I will thank you
for let us know what Tuesday. Thanks yeah, I will, man,

(59:46):
thank you. Blake, all right you guys, I he ain't
got no he is it's ees yeah. Yeah, the longest
word years. Oh my god. Wow. That walking on a
tight rope. That hit me because that's so exactly the
feeling you get in this industry. It's you all are

(01:00:07):
constantly walking that tight rope. It's great. Wow, so happy
now that it was really nice Um, I could feel
through zoom that he he is in a totally different
place than he was when we knew him on Boy
Meats World. And and you'd think, well, of course he is.
You know, twenty seven years have passed. Everyone's in a

(01:00:29):
different place. But that's not true. No, no, not at all.
Some people don't grow at all. No, some people don't change.
Some people are the exact same people they were in
the nineties, and when we see them, were like, oh, yeah,
there's that's a person who hasn't done a whole lot
of adjusting. Um, there is a real like sense of
calm and a real sense of self to blake. Now

(01:00:51):
he was obviously going through some stuff. Yeah, I washse
if I can what you just said, you felt it
through zoom or zoom feels Zeals. I'd like to say,
it's all new Zeal's Zeals trademark. You got the Zeals.
It's amazing. No, God, it was fun to talk to him, Yeah,
it was. Well. Thank you all for joining us for
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