Bruh Meets World...Meets World (Season 1 Recap)

To put a pretty little bow on Season 1, Danielle, Rider & Will sit down with Ceej and TC, the hosts of the OTHER favorite BMW podcast, Bruh Meets World, to get a fans’ point of view on the podcast so far. What did they like? What didn’t they like? And what questions still linger beyond the finale?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
We got so many emails from over the course of
reviewing season one about getting a fan perspective on the podcast,
which we thought was a great idea. We are obviously
very close to Boy Meets World, so we wanted to
hear what fans think of everything and what you want
to know more about So we figured this episode today
would be a great way to close out season one.

(00:39):
And while researching this podcast before it ever started, when
Betsy Randall originally came up with the idea, um, we
started doing a lot of research and when we first
started talking to My Heart, we stumbled upon another podcast
called bra Meets World, and Jensen and I just absolutely
fell in love with them. So Will writer. Before we

(01:01):
started this podcast, did you know there were other Boy
Meats World podcasts that existed? I feel like some of
them had reached out to me at different times on
like Twitter and stuff, and yes, I was aware that
there were podcasts that just sort of went episode by episode.
Um yeah, yeah, but I never listened. Honestly, you know
it was It was not because I had never watched
a show, so it wouldn't have really made much sense

(01:22):
to me. But um, yeah, you know, every once in
a while, someone would send us either podcasts or like
video links to like people do like YouTube summaries or conversations. Um.
But yeah, like I said, I've never never listened or
watched no one of the easier way to answer, I didn't.
I didn't. I honestly I was not a podcast guy.

(01:43):
I have since gotten into them and it started to
listen to a bunch that I've really started to like.
But at the time, no, I didn't. I didn't know
anything about it. So no, what podcasts are you listening to? Now?
I just chicken? Yeah, I don't want to one? Yeah,
how dispatch Cox spatchcocking one on one sideyard backyard is
a great yards, glass eyed driving horse and buggy repair

(02:08):
churning butter in Connecticut. But yeah, Iceberg, yes or no
obviously yes, yeah, no, there's no. I you know what
I just finished is and this is not a shameless plug.
I just finished because it's another I heart podcast. But
it happened to pop up on the start of our
podcast and I found it interesting and I like Ed
Helms is snaff who? And so snaff who is? It's

(02:30):
they do? They take one? So the entire season is
about one historical snaff who and they break down that,
they break down what messed up. So the first one
was about this this you know, the movie War Games
with Matthew Broderick kind happened right after this called Able
Archer eight three. So it's this breakdown of how there
we like averted a nuclear disaster and the I liked

(02:53):
how the it's a serial, so the entire it's like
eight episodes and the whole thing is about one uh
you know, one snaff and then picked for will Yeah right,
I mean you love this stuff. This is this gits
right in line with your trivia knowledge and the things
you know, like being able to tell us about why
pirates wore one I patch. This is Did we get emails?
Do we get emails? We sure did? Yeah, you know

(03:15):
I did. You're yeah, yeah, you're right. People people confirmed
that you were correct and that there was an episode
of a show about it where they talked about that.
And then rider do you turn Me onto? The other one?
Which is great with the where they he goes into
the songs from the night is it the songs from
the nineties? Yeah, I just guess start on it. Did
you really? Podcasts? It's a great podcast. You said, because

(03:36):
I brought it up on this show. He he asked
me to be on his show, and he sent me
a list of songs talk about and one of them
was Lisa lobes Stay. I was like that one, and
so he brought me on. We had a great conversation.
It's already out, was was I gotta hear? It was
Lisa lobes Stay. Wasn't it the first song to ever
hit number one by an independent artist? She wasn't signed
and it went to number one. It was on the
soundtrack for Yeah, and it went to number Think about that.

(03:59):
You're not a mind artist and you have the number
one song. It's because Ethan Hawk lived across the street
from her in New York and he just wanted to
get one of her songs into the soundtrack. And that's
it's a cool podcast. So I wanted a cool story
and then an occasional crime one. But those kind of
freaking out a little bit because it's a little too
like you know, looking the seat behind you. Yeah, it was.
It's weird. Yeah, but do you what did you know
about them? Danielle before? I mean, like you obviously said

(04:22):
you found it, but we found them exactly no, justin
doing doing the research, and like writer said, I'm pretty
sure at some point people had said, like on Twitter
would send me a link of like, oh, these people
have been talking about Boy Meets World. But I don't
know that. I really I was not a podcast listener either.
I hadn't really partised, you know, I wasn't a big
podcast person. Um, So no, I didn't really know either.

(04:42):
And then we stumbled upon them. And so if you
are unfamiliar with Bra meets World, dear listener, let me
tell you about them. Bra Meets World is hosted by
TC and Siege, and they summarize the show as just
two grown black men watching a white boy grow up.
It's basically a Boy meets World fan cast with a

(05:04):
melanin point of view. And they have yes, it's it's
it's fantastic, and they've got, um, just a really cool
perspective and a very clear voice, and they are true fans.
They have been recapping Boy Meets World on their show.
They are much farther along in the seasons than we are,

(05:24):
so we could, like, if we wanted to spoil it
for ourselves, we could ask them things. But I don't
I don't think we do that. I think we exactly.
Let's just stick with season one and and today. Remember
that episode where Sean lost his leg and we're like
what exactly? And I think, no, man, happened. I don't

(05:48):
remember that. I don't remember writer not having a leg
having a leg. That's some acting. Uh So, yeah, I'm
really excited to have them here with us, and they
are going to talk to us about the first season
of pod Meats were old, And of course with talking
about the first season of Pod Meets World, there will
be some things that are going to come up about
the first season of Boy Meets World as well. But uh,
I am. I could literally not be more excited to

(06:10):
welcome TC and Siege to our podcast, pod Meets World.
How's it going, guys? Higher time? I already told him
I would like be as true to yourself. This is
so cool. Oh you have no idea? Well, this is

(06:31):
like you ada like wow. Never never a bigger compliment
has been given to will another thing? Ever? Oh man,
what a compliment? Now. Honestly, did you, guys, ever envisioned

(06:51):
that we would all be together at any point when
you started this podcast? Did you ever think, like, hey,
maybe someday we'll get them to be guests on our podcast,
Like is this a did you ever think this might happen?
So I'm not going to allow to you. It was
so funny, like we were listening to your podcasts and
I messaged TC and I was like, I think we
could get on. I feel like we could get on.

(07:13):
The next day really emailed us and I was like,
what were We've spoken into existence? That's so cool. So
how long have you guys been doing your your podcast?
We've been doing at the entire length of the show's
run for seven years. Why But that's just because we

(07:35):
have a d h D and like we've been literally
we would start and stop and then because you know,
it's stuff, So it was just kind of a hobby
that we squeezed in. But it's it's such a consistent
love and passion and it's always been and obviously that's
why we chose to dedicate a whole podcast to the show.
And you guys, and I'm so freaking out, how did

(07:56):
you two meet? And and what's what's your relationship history?
So we agreed that I would handle the conscription. So, uh,
we met in high school. Actually we we knew each
other in high school. It was one of those things
where it's like one of two people of color in
the classroom. So we always knew each other, hung out,
we had like a great just kind of like back

(08:16):
and forth, and throughout the years we would like send
each other like little videos every once in a while,
just kind of talking about television or movies or whatever
it was. And then in two thousand fifteen when podcastings
started to really take off, and I was like, oh,
we should we always this is basically what we do.
We should do this. So um, we had so many

(08:40):
like nostalgic ideas because we were like we loved T G,
I F. We loved like, so we were like, how
do we do this? And one of the first episodes
we did was and then there was shoan like we
could do a whole pod on and that's actually how
it got started. We were like, that's it. We're like
I had heard a fan cast before, and I was like,

(09:03):
let's just do us so like and we did say
that we looked and see what what was out there,
and we're like, we think we could bring something different. Yeah,
in two thousand fifteen, though, you're that's was like back,
I don't think I even heard of podcasting in two
thousand fifty when that was my thing. Yeah, and it

(09:23):
took us a few It took us a while to
kind of get it down. I'm sure you guys know
that podcasting goes a lot harder work than it probably
seemed when you initially signed up for ye like we
just get together with their friends and talk simple, Oh,
we gotta do another episode by Friday exactly. Oh man, Yeah,
this is it's a world that we all of us
though you think you know before you actually dive into it,

(09:45):
and it's like you don't know anything that's going on
before that. Oh, that's so cool. So it's funny because
our first episode that we did together was on a
different stream. The first time we all got together and
started to do this, and it was and then there
were shot I think it's the first time you jump
in is everyone picks? And then there was Seawan Yeah,
you know, we're talking about it all the time on

(10:05):
our on our show that and then there was Shawn.
Is such a great gateway episode to bloy Meats World
because you don't have to know anything about the show
to enjoy the episode for what it is. So it's
a great like first time or is like introduction to it?
That's smart, It's it's the it's Seinfeld's the contest. Yes,
when you have to watch like you have to watch
that one to get into the whole thing. I love that.
That's great. So let's jump in. What do you guys think?

(10:29):
How do you think we've been doing? How would you
rate us our first season of pod Meats World. You
guys are clearly professionals, and we're still figuring this out,
So what do you what do you guys think? When
you guys didn't, it's actually been like a great even
like right are you talk very often about like the
real lesson that you guys, that's pretty much what we're
doing now, like right through listen through every episode again.

(10:52):
But you guys had like the same kind of a
trendy that we did in terms of being like, oh,
the thing is in way more episodes. She's not um
the theme song, like is it really fun to see
how many of the kind of critiques or joy that
you got, Like we're the exact same ones that we had.

(11:14):
And then you guys have just been it's so clear
that you love this journey like you are having a
good time, you were working through things, you are open
to looking at things differently. Um, and that's kind of
like what's been the love for us is to see
you guys be just as open to examining the show

(11:34):
the same way that we did. You guys are just
seven steps ahead of us, basically, So what do we
what do we have to look forward to? What kind
of do there's a few jump shark moments, but I
think there's more than a few. I think there's a
lot of jump to shment you know, on that point,
here's the question, because I was when you guys are
talking about and then there were Sean, I was like,
it's so funny that you say it's like the content

(11:56):
or the gateway episode, because in a lot of ways,
it's like an episode kind of out of can then
do you know what I mean? It doesn't make any
sense of the show, So like, can you what other
episodes are? Like what are the episodes that are completely
out of cannon? Like do you can you think of things?
That's right? They're just too weird, right, you know what.

(12:17):
They're fun to watch in their initial viewing, but when
you're going back through it and you're this character arts.
You're just like, Wow, this episode feels really like a
pause from a progress that was happening with these characters
over the season, some of them. Some of them were
like ABC came in and we're like, hey, you're doing
a time travel show. We have to do a Sabrina episode.
We had to incorporate the cat that. It's so weird.

(12:39):
I remember all of us being like, that is the
fakest thing every scene in my life. Yeah, and we
had to work with it. One I would say, um,
I think it's called It's a Wonderful Night or something
like that. One like you guys acknowledged it. It just
seems so out of place considering how how great I
think it's the one like right after the Fugitive and

(13:00):
the Fugitive was and then like you do this, Yeah,
which one? Is this a Wonderful Night? Yeah? They go
out and they hire a babysitter, the babysitter cancel, so
Phoene subs in, and you take your driving test and
you fail. But the Phoenie with the tea set is great.
You know, like you can tell that that's the whole point.
But like the rest of the episode, you're like, yeah,

(13:21):
why are one with the R rated movie that you
guys are watching. It's just highly educated professional and he's
in the same room with your Yeah it made That
was also the other one where Alan decided not to
and no parent decided to go with Eric to get

(13:43):
his driver. Talk about that, like, because in the following
season they go it's a tradition that like, it's a
whole tradition. But when they were like, I was not
in that family until like nine episodes into the show,
is now TC be honest, have we ruined anything that

(14:14):
you know? Actually? In contrast, Um, I think that you
guys going through and revisiting these episodes and adding your
insight from the perspective of actors, specifically child actors, has
been a huge revelation for for us as fans. I
love how authentic you guys are and talking about your
experiences that were struggles. That's been so satisfying to hear,

(14:35):
and like, you guys are three dimensional people. You're more
than just the characters that we saw on TV. Because
of how UM you've been able to embrace UM this
authenticity that you've shared with us. So I I feel
like you guys have been doing a pitch perfect job.
No no, no, no, no no, I have one note

(14:55):
and I don't. It is literally just that, well, I
think you're so hard throw yourself, yes, so fantastic, and
you're just like I'm like, I just wish he would
give himself a break. I just said this to him
the last recording we did. I was like, you need
to stop because he's like he keeps saying the same thing.
I didn't know comedy. I didn't like you were funny already,

(15:19):
you were natural. We call you. We were like all
the time. We're just like, he's just this little Jim Carrey,
like they just they had no idea what they had
and in those first seasons with him, because he was
just especially as you know a word later on in
the series. Now, um you are shining and he's in
five season six episodes like truly like scene stealing and
so like, I it's actually been cool to see your

(15:42):
evolution to as act that well that's what yeah, watching
that is the same thing because that's we talk about
that on the show where it's I think we all
agree from a child acting standpoint with Ben, but also
writer kind of they came in as the most established
actors like writer by season by episode two was already
kind of killing the acting moments where I in my
head you could see me going like, I don't know

(16:02):
what to do with my hands. Where do I put
my hand? And I could barely speak, and well, it's
because you were always going to be fired. Um So,
but it was it was we're we're I mean, as actors,
were always going to be our our harshest critics. I mean,
that's just part of being an actor. But then it's
doubly so when you're looking at some of the most
awkward times of your life. I mean, when you're thirteen, fourteen,

(16:24):
fifteen sixteen, normally that's hard enough, but when you're you're
on film every week or tape at the time every
week in some of your most awkward phases. Um and
then coupled with going, man, I just I feel like
I'm looking down to see where I'm supposed to stand,
and I feel like I don't know what to do
with my hands. That's what we see. So we're we're
so focused on the minutia that are the mistakes that

(16:47):
we know we're making from hindsight, that sometimes the clouds
over the overall what you're saying where it's like, all right,
we're we're okay. For sixteen year old you know, it's
like and you're going through all of that internal insecurities
while this show is actively writing to you to be
sex symbols and to make out with a different person. Yeah. Yeah.
That was what was weird about when we watched the

(17:08):
Dating Suit episode was for us to like to talk about,
oh wait, this is the this is the awkwardness that
they're writing into the script, and we were feeling as
teenagers are self and it was like, this isn't I
don't know, because we are scared it was going to
be creepy. But it was like, it's not actually creepy,
It's just it's just awkward. And it was awkward on
like four different levels. It's just so folded over the
Russian of awkward exactly keep happening. And you know, I

(17:33):
think that's just gonna keep happening as we get into
making out. But you know, it's so interesting what you
just said, though, because I really I think it just
hit me. That's one of the strange things about this
entire experience for me, especially in the first two seasons.
I was awkward in high school, I couldn't get a date.
I didn't have a date from my prom. And then

(17:53):
I'm on a show where I'm in a team I
mean team magazines. So it was and the character you're
playing is like a girl mac It's right. So it's
like I didn't know what was real. I think that's
it's so interesting until you said that. That never really
hit me, because it's true. I always had friends, Like
my friends in high school were girls and stuff like that,
but I was always the friend pat you on the head,
I'm gonna go make out with the taller guy, so

(18:15):
the you know, to go from that to the wooze
from an audience, it's very surreal. You're all of a sudden,
like wait a minute. With the real people that know me,
I can't get a date, but the people that don't
know me, I'm in a magazine. It's was really bizarre,
and it's so funny you said that like that, because
that just kind of hit me. Right now. We've got
to do this more often, Danielle. We love We know you.

(18:45):
Did you? Did you guys have off the top of
your head favorite episodes of this season? Well, yeah, let's
do this season. Actually, um, you know, for me, the
standouts of the season, I'll turn to the Friends like,
hands down, like that is just one of the most
I think even after this season ends, it's still kind
of resonates, uh in terms of just its impact on

(19:06):
how it established the characters on the show. So it's
actually really funny. My fiance asked me, he was like,
why this show? Like what nothing? To be honest, like,
Alternative Friends was the first episode I remember, as like
a young black kid seeing someone be like, my hair
doesn't move the same way as and wanting to try
to change it. And really, like I tell this story
all the time, it's like I remember crying in the

(19:28):
shower because my hair didn't move like everyone else's and
so to see on TV kid he was like, my
hair doesn't move and everyone else looks so much cooler
and trying to change it. And to me, that episode
is full circle because when Topanga says, oh, is this
your first kiss? Because wouldn't be interesting if your first

(19:50):
kiss was when you felt you looked the weirdest I
actually got proposed to when I was like my heaviest
and I was like I hate and I was like, oh,
it's just gonna thought you were gonna say, I got
proposed to while I was handcuffed, completely different the White
don King. Yeah, but no, no, So that the really

(20:14):
book end up being like, oh yeah, it's just like
this is the moment of like really understanding like who
you are as a person is what matters, and that,
to me is why Alternative Friends will always be one
of the best episodes. That and then meets Girl. I
think you could argue, I think you could really make
an argument that Corey's Alternative Friends is the most important

(20:37):
episode in the history of the show. I really think that,
you know, with the whole to Panga storyline with Ben
against the locker, I mean, I really think you could
make the case that that is the number one most
important show from from the season. But it also shows
Michael Jacob's writing from life. I mean that was Michael
did not have hair that could move and did and
writing about it. I mean, when you write from life,

(20:58):
it resonates with people, and that's you know, that's what
happened with that episode. It really did. So I know
you guys have questions for us, and I don't. I
don't want to delay any longer getting into your questions.
So who wants to start. Okay, I'll get started. Um.
You know, I think the big thing when we first
watched season one that realization that wow two, Penga isn't

(21:20):
as in involved in the storylines as we originally had thought,
um like find herself? Where is Danielle. We also wanted
way more storylines for Amy, which we thought played the
bigger part, and we know you guys commented on that
as well. How um the storylines were kind of favoring
the Alan storylines over the Amy storylines. You know, as
the show kind of progresses and we start to see
these tropes of just like some women being hyper sexualized Lonnie, Um,

(21:44):
Rachel and the others kind of like to Panga her
purity kind of being like like pushed to the front
of the story. I guess I just want to know, like,
how do you feel like the show has handled its
female characters? And you know, is there a did you
feel like there was anything behind the set that was
keeping female representation from kind of coming throughing the storylines?

(22:07):
It's interesting, you I mean, really good question. And I
will step in and say for myself, at the time,
I was not thinking anything about that stuff, Like I
was not aware, you know, I definitely point is that
not your job. Not your job. I was not thinking
about it. I also only remember thinking about, um, how

(22:29):
cool it was that to Panga was such a unique
strong all of the wonderful adjectives we used to describe
to Panga and she was. She's such a unique character
that I'm proud to have played. Since we have started
the podcast and I've we've been recapping it, and we've
noticed all the things you just mentioned. Um, it seems
to me that it's very obvious that a large part

(22:49):
of the issue with the lack of female representation and
then the way females are represented when they are represented,
seems to be because there was a real lack of
of a woman voice in the writer's room the we
had them in for in season one, and one of them,
Jeanette Burley, wrote Boy Meets Girl, and she wrote two

(23:10):
amazing episodes, Boys to Mensa and and Boy Meets Girl,
and then she was gone after season one. Um. And
we had another writer who wrote another amazing episode of
female writer who was then also gone in season two.
And April Kelly, the co creator of the show, who
was then gone after season one, And and you know missed.
Susan Astell Jansen is the only woman writer we could

(23:32):
think of that lasted past that first season, and then
there were others that were brought in. But the ratio
is very heavily skewed mail and the p o V
is very heavily skewed real life experiences. And I think
the men writing the show um had a lot of
very strong relationships with the own with their own male figures,
and then just put that into the show without thinking

(23:53):
at all about the fact that there could be a
very interesting p o V from from the mom's side
or from a female friends side. So that's even like,
it's kind of strange that both Corey and Eric eventually
kind of share storylines and Morgan's kind of forgotten about
even though, like you know what I mean, there's three
children of the Matthews and only two of them get highlighted,

(24:14):
and those two are men. So it was just one
of those things that we kind of know that as
we watched through. Yeah, absolutely, I think you guys made
the same observation. But T and I when we were
watching this season, we were like, why couldn't Rue McClanahan
been Amy's mom, Like we think that that would have
been very interesting, Like we learned nothing about Amy's family.
I think I think we find out she has a
sister at some point in time, but that's it. And

(24:36):
it's like we would love like Betsy does such a
good job this season, and she's one of my favorite
TV mom characters, but to see this like really great
talent and really great chemistry just gotta go unused. Felt
like I think a Bunnie joke is that she is
a real estate agent, but it's like, when, how does

(24:57):
she do that? No, we were that. I think Danielle
correct me if I'm wrong. But one of the biggest
things we got emails about was I suggested how interesting
a storyline it would have been if Amy woke Corey
up to watch the baseball game, like there's a twist,
it's it's well, you'd never have seen it before on TV.
It's unique. It would be something that people hate that.

(25:18):
You suggested that hated that. I suggested that hate hate
that the idea that And again, I came from a
family where my dad taught us baseball and stuff, but
but we mostly played basketball, and it was my mom
that taught us basketball because my mom played in high school.
So the idea of you know, a woman waking you
up to do a sporting event was not crazy for us.

(25:40):
I mean just that was my experience growing up. So
just mentioning, hey, why couldn't it have been any that well,
and people couldn't stand it, hated it, hated it. So, yeah,
there is a a real lack of of a woman's voice.
And then it's interesting what you said because as we
do look at the characters that are brought on later,
they are it does seem to be either completely pure

(26:03):
or hyper sexualized. We have three categories. It is a
woman of the week, it is Chase like good girl,
and then it's i'll use a different word, but basically
like caddy. Yeah exactly. But we also we noticed that

(26:25):
with the remember we talked about this, we noticed that
with the guest cast as well, because they would have
women come in that were like the moms and they
were all awful, don't you remember. It's like my daughter
needs the necklace and I'm not gonna be and it's
like the actors were great, but the characters as they
were written were like these one dimensional, really kind of
terrible women. Even though it's a wonderful night and the

(26:47):
girls who kind of ditch you when your car breaks down,
mean to you for no reason. Yeah, yeah, it's um,
it's it's we. Daniel's right. There was just a very
it was a very singular point of you on on
the writing staff, and we're hopefully it'll get better, but
it's not going to well, you gonna get work, you know.
I mean, well, we can ask these guys, but I

(27:08):
don't want to. It's going to get worse. Before we
welcomed them into the room, we said we can ask
him about future episodes, and we were all like, no, no,
we just want to see let's ask. It's so hard
for us to contain ourselves well because we know it's
going to take fifteen years to get to the final
episodes and three. So I have a jar that every
time I go in the future, I have to put

(27:29):
a quarter in. T like memorized these episodes and I
was like rewatching again, like reliving my childhood, and he'd
be like, when this happens spoil spoiler alert, Yeah, okay, specifically,

(27:55):
we again huge fans of t G. I f you
guys shared a block with family Man and Sister Sister
and will like taj Maori was your co star and kimpossible.
It's like, how aware of you guys? How aware were
you guys like these black sitcoms did you were you
aware of like white sitcoms or black sitcoms? Were there
any like cross promotion? Like it's so funny to us

(28:17):
because these shows are huge, and yet there doesn't seem
to be a lot of like cross pollenization, even though
you shared like you shared, that's true, it wasn't wasn't
Family matters bigger than our show. Big Family had had
way more numbers than our show did. Basically we piggybacked

(28:39):
on Family like we were following them when we started,
So we basically took you know, somebody we got the
good time slot because that's why we wanted eight thirty
because eight was so strong with family. But you're right
as far as it's it's interesting because as far as
like guest casting on each other's shows and stuff, we
only did that with Sabrina and I think that was
something they did eight or in the nineties, Like I

(29:01):
don't really think when we first started in four they
were they had figured out the synergy of being able
to bring other people. I think it started in like
I mean that's the thing. We knew each other. I
mean we would hang out like as kids would have
us as kids. Were you familiar with the concept of
the like as as child actors, and you were all
hanging out together. Was this idea of like you're on

(29:25):
a black sitcom and I'm on a not for me
for me? Honestly, yeah, it was. It didn't because our
family growing up, it was you would watch Family Ties
and then you'd watch Cosby Show, and you were just
watching TV. That's all. We were just watching TV. So
it's like, like that's actually growing up. I don't remember
there being like a distinction, but as I've grown up,

(29:45):
I kind of see like a nothing again, Like Sister
Sister actually had a better Nelson rating than your show.
Got Moved, And I was like, oh, it's interesting that,
like what was allowed to stay and what got moved?
And like I looked at the promos for um, like
your show or like Family Matters and the Castle of

(30:05):
Step by Step was doing that. It's like, well did
they ever ask the cast of Sister Sister the promo?
So it's just interesting to see. But then also I
think he and I wanted to know, like, have you
like you're revisiting this show? Are there any of those
shows that you've like explored like Smart Guy or anything
like that and shared with your your family? Alright, I

(30:27):
guess yeah. What are your favorites of of that you
grew up? I know you mentioned the Cosby Show? Uh
did you ever have that? Were there any other kind
of pivotal black sitcoms that you guys remember watching growing up?
I do so that. So sitcom was and is my life.
It always has been. I love everything about it. I
love watching, I love shooting, I love doing every possible

(30:50):
thing in the sitcom world. The idea that the true
American sitcom is gone kills me. It kills me every
single day. And again it's I don't know how to
say this any other way than we didn't see black
or white when we were watching TV. So what's happening?
Good Times? Um, Cosby Show, Family Ties, all these these

(31:14):
were just shows that we wonder years. These are just
shows that I just sat down and watched. That's all
I saw, was just sitting down and watching. And so
my brothers and I used to do the dances that
Rerun would do all the time. Like that was just
our thing, was watching Shirley and d and uh, you know,
walking around saying Dino Mike, because these were the most

(31:35):
popular television shows of the time. That's all that mattered
to me. I just wanted to be on a show.
And the funny thing was, I was on a Nickelodeon
show at the time called Don't Just Sit There, and
we interviewed other casts, and the first sitcom set that
I actually got to go to was Family Matters, And
so I'm sitting in the audience and empty audience because

(31:55):
we were going to interview the whole cast, and I'm
sitting in the empty audience, and I'm staring down on
watching Reginald Bell Johnson and he's working with Julio and
he's working and I just sat there, going Someday, someday.
So it wasn't it wasn't black or white to me,
it was I want that. I want what they have.
I want to be on that kind of show. So

(32:17):
there's a real and not to get into this too much,
but there's a real kind of balance nowadays of not
seeing race at all and seeing it everywhere and only
seeing it, and I think it's important that we find
that balance because I you've got to be able to
recognize obviously what other other cultures are and what they're
going through. But at the same time, I loved just

(32:39):
watching those shows and just that's all I saw was
just funny comedy and great family and just sitting there
with my family watching TV. So I missed that as well.
But it is interesting will I mean, like to answer
you guys question, Like, you know, I didn't watch television,
so I absorbed mostly The Cosby Show. I've seen episodes
of that because that was the biggest show in history
the world. Um. But but what's interesting to me about

(33:02):
like what you guys are getting at is that so
on the on our side, on the actor's side, we
didn't really understand, you know. It was just like we
all hung out together, we knew these kids, and but
it seems like there was a creative choice at some
point to keep these shows divided, right because like even
guest cast wise, like we didn't have black people on
our show guest cast and on the black shows they

(33:22):
didn't have that many white guest casts. It was like
there's somebody was making a decision to keep this and
they were separate. They were getting higher ratings. Both the
both the black shows were getting higher ratings. But I'm
just wondering, like, what is that? Was that? And I
don't know the answer to this question. Was the writing
staff on the shows predominantly black? Or were the writers
white and the cast black? I don't know that somebody

(33:44):
has written multiple essays about this, I'm sure, but I'm
just realizing now, like, yeah, like we didn't think about
it at the time, but when you look back on it,
it's so obvious that, like, why didn't we guest cast?
Also really important though, to acknowledge that we, the white
cast members, weren't thinking about it. I don't know whether
or not Tian Tamara or Julilriginal vll Johnson, I don't

(34:05):
know if they were thinking about it, because I think, again,
it's very important to acknowledge that one of the reasons
we weren't thinking about it is because of privilege. We're
used to seeing people who look like us on TV.
It's no, it's so it didn't have the same impact
on us that we were on a show that it
did for black audiences to be watching people who were
them and looked like them on TV. So there's a

(34:29):
there's a lot of it there. There's a lot of
you know, it's part of that's privilege that we weren't
thinking about it. I'm sure, you know, speaking of representation,
just to kind of segue into another question, Um, one
of the things that we always like to give your
show flowers for is how it handles class differences, specifically
between the relationship of Korean Sean and writer I. I
my question for you is did you feel how did

(34:50):
it feel to represent a low income kid from a
broken home? Was there a realization that you were representing like, uh,
demographic that usually doesn't get the spotlight on tell vision shows.
I mean, other than Roseanne, I can't really think of
low income families getting the spotlight that yours did. And
I think that a lot of the you know, even
like we say people of color, we resonated with Sean

(35:10):
because Sean felt like he wasn't part of the bit
of an outsider. Yeah, and so there was a relationship
that we had there. So I guess I was wondering
at the time, was that something you were aware of
or Um, how did you kind of mature in your
understanding of that over time? Yeah? I was I don't
think I was. I don't. I think I think as
an actor, I focus more on the immediacy, which was

(35:31):
the Shawn is troubled right. It was more like from
an emotional personal scene by scene basis, like, uh, you know,
Sean is upset that you know he doesn't get Corey's
life or as many presents or whatever the situation was.
It was more immediate. But you know, I think there
was an episode I remember when we did where my
dad becomes a janitor, and that I think was the

(35:53):
first time that I remember realizing what we were actually
talking about, which is I think pretty late and must
have been third or fourth season. But yeah, that's why, Yeah,
that I remember that episode being a big turning point.
And that's why during this rewatch it's been crazy to
see how much of the seeds were already planted for Sean.

(36:14):
I didn't realize it went all the way back to
season one. I literally, in my mind, if you had
asked me, I would have said, well, Sean was a
troublemaker because I remembered the fugitive, but I didn't recognize
the class stuff. It didn't become conscious until that Janitor episode,
when we really brought it but now I see it
was always there. But no, as an actor, I did
not think of it that way. Um And and really

(36:35):
it did not hit me until in my twenties. Fans
would start coming up to me and saying, like you were,
you were the one. Like you were you were my
entry point of the show because I grew up in
a trailer park, or I just my family was broken,
or all these aspects of Seawan's character that spoke to
other people. Um And for me, it's been great to

(36:56):
realize that like all that sort of an immediate emotional situations,
that that that I was, you know, acting through resonated
and and and and spoke to people on these larger
issues that we're bringing to the surface. Um. But yeah,
I know, I really I had no idea how how
how big class was playing into the show until now

(37:17):
now I'm looking back on it and I'm so glad.
It's so cool. I can also say, you know, even
as somebody who grew up loving television as much as
I did, and when I mean it, I mean it
was my life. I love television. It was my escape
from everything. Um. As an actor, when you're on the set,
you don't realize the power of what you're doing and
the reach that it's going to have. It just I

(37:40):
think anyway, yeah, I think it's too overwhelming, But I
think back then it would it would have been too
overwhelming for us as kids to realize kind of that
it's not burden, that's not the power. It's the only
right word that you have going into people's houses every week.
It's also, you weren't binging, so this wasn't something that
came and went. This is something that you watched and

(38:01):
then waited for to watch again. There's an anticipation to
seeing it, and so we became part of people's lives.
And I certainly, I won't speak for anybody else, I
certainly didn't register the the amount of reach that we
had until years later. Well, you also don't know how
long the show is going to go, so you think, well,
how much reach do we have if this is over
after season one? And then when you're all said and

(38:22):
done and it's a hundred and fifty eight episodes and
you're like, oh my gosh, we've really said something here. Um,
but you don't. You also, you're you're in some ways
as different as you are because you're an actor you're
still in eighteen nineteen year old kid. You know, you're
not you don't know how the world works. You're now
in your head because you're cool. You know, I'm a
TV show and I'm the cool and so you deal

(38:42):
with all the stuff that that normal kid that because
that's who you are. You're a normal kid. You're just
to have a different job. So I don't think any
of us kind of realized the power of what we
were doing at the time. I think it would have
been overwhelming had we really thought about Maybe Ben did.
I don't know, but I don't know. Just to kind

(39:06):
of segue into another question, because you guys have been
answering these so wonderfully. Thank you again for living us
on here. We're freaking out inside. This is a problem.
By the way, we will take one question and answer
for twenty five minutes. So you've been like, Um, one
of the things that's been extremely refreshing to hear it
is just how open you guys have been with your

(39:27):
struggles on the show. Danielle, your audition comes to mind, UM,
and you talk about how each of you guys kind
of felt burnt out by the end of the show's run. Um,
how has revisiting the show changed your relationship with it?
Has it helped you to heal old wounds, Like, how
have you been able to kind of um mature in
your own relationship with the boy betworld. Well, I'm probably

(39:48):
gonna start crying, because that's just what I do know.
I'm gonna really try hard not to cry in this episode.
It has been really uh And I'm I will speak
only for myself and allow writer and Will of course
to share their experiences, but I I think it has
truly been very therapeutic. There have been things that I

(40:10):
would have never thought of again, memories I would have
never remembered, experiences I never would have rehashed or thought
as being important, relationships even that I had forgotten their
impact or their significance in my life, or moments that
I didn't know had such significance that have come up, um,
and have with them brought up a lot of feelings

(40:33):
and thoughts, and I've been able to not just process
it on the actual show, but then after the fact,
have my own our own little therapy sessions with Will
and writer. Um. Because you know, like like Will said this,
this experience of being a child actor is uh, something

(40:54):
very few people understand and have ever experienced, and then
to experience it in ex actually the same way because
we were on the same show. This relationship that we
have with each other is so um unique that being
able to then talk to them about the things that
it's brought up and been like this is I'm now
thinking this and what are you thinking? And we've been

(41:15):
able to help each other like it's really been um,
it's really been incredible. I feel like it has helped me.
It's made me more empathetic, It's made me um in
some ways, it's made me angry, it's bummed me out,
it's made me feel in some ways let down. UM,
but it's also overall given me a real It's given

(41:37):
me a greater understanding of why and how I have
become the person that I have become. And being able
to share those experiences in those conversations with writer and
Will is truly easily one of the biggest gifts of
my life, not just one of the biggest gifts that
this podcast has brought me, but like truly being able
to do this and go through it has really been
an incredible gift. Now I'm gonna cry. I don't know

(41:58):
about you. Come on, man, I just want to say that, Like,
one of the things that I observed is how much
you guys appreciate the people who worked on the show,
and like you give the flowers to the casting agents,
the prop department, like the writers, Like it's so amazing
and so like I don't think we often get to

(42:20):
see actors really not only like appreciate and give things,
but like talk to and share memories with the people
who worked on the shows. And that's one of the
things that I've truly enjoyed about listening to the podcast.
It's not only do I feel like I'm constantly learning
about like how television is made, but I feel like
you guys are totally appreciative and give thanks to the

(42:43):
people who are actually doing like who don't always real work,
real work. It's a collaborative effort, you know. That's the
thing about filmmaking and television make It's just so many people.
And yeah, I it's it's funny. Like I think it's
funny for us because it seems obvious that like somebody
like Chris Kayer was there every day part of our lives.

(43:04):
But for people watching the show, why would they ever
think that a person like him exists, you know, but
he was like an essential part of the show for
us or in studio teachers, and like, yeah, I mean,
if if there's anything I'm really like super stoked about
this podcast, it's that because it's so funny to me,
like like, yeah, that's never occurred to people, you know,
that that it takes sixty sixty to a hundred people

(43:24):
to make one episode of television, and that we are
just kind of the we're the front people, you know,
we're the front man, Like we're just we're just the
surface of a giant you know, crowd behind us. And that, yeah,
I'm you know because on a personal level, those are
the people we spend all our time with, you know,
as much as each other. Uh. And it's so funny,
Like we've talked about how Danielle talked about a lot
how people like really are invested in like our friendships.

(43:47):
Like you know, people are always like are you and
Ben still friends? Danielle friends? And it's like why does
that matter to everybody? You know? What about like me
and the prop guy? What about me and my studio teacher?
You know, it's like no one cares about that. So
I'm that we're able to like sort of turn around
a little bit and sort of gesture behind us and
be like, look at all these people. It's it's such
a it's such a group effort, always is. Yeah. I

(44:09):
think for me it has brought up certain things that
I that he'd either gone dormant or I purposely buried. Um.
And some of it is very good, and some of
it has has triggered a little bit of anxiety, and
some of it has changed my perspective. And you're also
trying to, like you said, when when it came to
my acting, where it's like you gotta give yourself a

(44:29):
break when it comes to your acting, there's times where
you also have to examine your life and kind of
look back at who you were and be glad you
are someone different now and you've learned from who you were,
but at the same time to not destroy yourself for
things you did when you were fifteen sixteen years old. Um.
So it's it is it's a weird delicate balance again. Um.

(44:51):
Danielle said it the best for me, where it's the
being able to go through this with writer and Danielle
has been that's the thing that it's it sounds so ridiculous,
but that's the thing that's made it okay, is it's
like it's I always talk about when it comes to anxiety,
the thing that's best is talking about it and being
around people that you love and that you're with, and
so going through this with them, it's like there's the

(45:13):
people they're proverbiably and sometimes literally holding your hands, going
all right, we're gonna do this together. Let's let's see
what happens, and we're going to get into it, and
it's it's certainly made it a much easier process. And
I will just say one more thing about it, which
is that, similarly to the way we joked that you
don't really quite know how much work podcasting is before
you get into it. When we talked about doing the podcast,

(45:35):
it was a lot about man, this is gonna be fun.
We're gonna get together and we're gonna get to have
all these conversations that we get to have when we
have dinner with each other, and yeah, you know, let's
be real and let's be honest. But similarly to parenthood,
how absolutely nothing can prepare you for the experience um
actually looking at your childhood through the lens of not

(45:58):
only this was my childhood, but this is my profession,
this was my career, and these were the adults who
were also my bosses and also like parent figures to me,
and and looking at that lens and then having memories
come up that maybe, like well mentioned, may have been
repressed or maybe we're just things you completely forgot about,
and then it's a lot like it is. It is

(46:21):
a lot, and it does bring up a lot of emotions,
and we get asked still all the time, is Ben
ever going to come on the podcast? Is Ben coming
on the podcast? Why isn't been doing the podcast? And truthfully,
when we first started talking about it, all of our
conversations among the four of us were about how much
fun it was going to be, and you know, Ben
didn't want to do it, and we kept trying to
convince him, and finally we said we're going to respect

(46:42):
your decision. And now, looking at it a full season down,
I think to myself, maybe Ben knew something didn't know,
because this isn't for the faint of heart. It just isn't.
You can't if it's not if you want to do
it the way we want to do it, which is
what we've been doing, which is really addressing things head

(47:03):
on and being honest and sometimes having challenging conversations. UM.
So you know, I don't want to, um give us
like I'm not trying to give us an award, but
I do really as even just Daniel right here talking
to writer and Will, I would like to pat ourselves
on the back a little bit because it has been Uh,
it isn't for everyone, and we have done it exactly

(47:24):
like we said we wanted to do, and we have
stayed true to ourselves in our original goal and that
has felt really good. And it hasn't always been easy. Yeah,
I just wanted to put another spin on this, which
is from from my perspective, I think, I and you know,
part of maybe the reason why so naively was came
up with the idea for this podcast was that, Um,

(47:46):
I had spent a lot of time running away from
Boymouth the world. Um not because I didn't I think
it was good or or but I just didn't want
to think about it anymore, Like I just wanted my
life to be defined by something else, or you know,
I wanted to I mean, I think as part of
being a child actors, you you start to feel like
you can't define your life on your own terms, that
it's already been defined for you. And so coming back

(48:09):
and doing this on a positive note has just made
me really proud of the show, uh, you know, and
actually like really proud of you guys as actors and
the writing team and everybody in the show. It's just
it's a it's a really high quality sitcom and that's
you know, and I having not watched it, having not
having just spent my entire twenties and thirties avoiding it, Uh,

(48:30):
there is something really awesome about going back and being like, no,
wonder this was a hit, Like this is so cool,
like you know, and I just want to unabashedly say
like there's a positive side to that, you know, and
I think that's you know, so yeah. And then also
just being able to being able to have a conversation

(48:51):
not even necessarily publicly but certainly publicly helps, but but
a conversation with Will and Danielle in which we own
the show, you know, where we take it back for
ourselves is really important to me. Um, you know, regardless
of all the negative feelings that have come up, and
it's that there's this thing, you know that you know,
I was on four TV shows before I landed on

(49:14):
this one called the Ben Savage Project, and I've been
spending the last whatever year thirty years of my life
living from the repercussions of that, you know, And so
to be able to own the perspective with my two
best friends and be able to together say like, wow,
like we all went through this, and like can we

(49:34):
can we talk about this on our own terms? That's
been really empowering and really important, um in so many ways.
Uh And like I said, it's less and it is
nice that it's happening publicly and that that uh, you know,
I feel like the fans are responding well and understanding
our point of view. But just personally, like between the
three of us, I feel like I'm finally comfortable with
boy Meats World as as an entity in my life.

(49:56):
I feel like I am in charge of that conversation
for prop for the first time since I was thirteen,
And that's just really nice. That's amazing to like hear
not only as as a fan, but as someone who
also like embraces like healing from trauma and learning from
their past and like learning that, you know, like those
parts of you are in fact part of you, and

(50:16):
so you have to learn to embrace them. And if
you're ever going to move forward, so to see someone
like and hear the stories that you guys tell and
then know that you are embracing and being able to
kind of like rewrite how you're looking at it. As
a fan, it makes me love the show more because
it's like, oh wow, like they are getting something from
this show, you know, and the and the authenticity that

(50:37):
you guys share in these episodes is so like, I
know it's been healing for you guys, but I mean,
let's let's be honest, like we all kind of need
to go through the last few decades and figure out
what things have meant to us. And so like, you know,
we're kind of all having these conversations, especially millennials, kind
of looking back at our childhoods and dissecting things, and

(50:57):
you know, you guys having this conversation. Yes, it's a
conversation about Boy meets World, but in a lot of ways,
there's a lot of conversations about mental health that are
happening that I feel like are resonating in a different
way because of how you guys have embraced this podcast differently.
It's not just we're going to go through and talk
about the jokes. We're gonna actually open up about how
it made us feel at the same time, which has

(51:18):
been wonderful as a fan the here Danielle, you know,
it's so funny. You know what I was thinking about
one of the movies that you and I love to
defend and that's what it is. It's you're looking back
at a screen of your life, and I mean, that's
what we're doing. We're watching, boy, mean, we are living
defending your life. It hit me the other day where
I was like, he's sitting in a chair and he's

(51:40):
watching segments from his life and how he's turned into
the person. How did he get to that chair. Well,
he got to watch part of his life and do that.
It's literally what we're doing. So it's it's one of
the reasons that we love it so much, I think,
and we didn't even realize, is that we you know,
it would be think about how therapeutic could be for
people if they all had the opera ttunity to look

(52:00):
back at some of the most difficult years of their
lives and watch it unfold and sit there and talk
about it and how this made me feel. I mean
it would be. It's so that's what we get an
opportunity to do, and it's such a rare opportunity that
we certainly wanted to make sure we weren't, like you said,
just talking about the jokes or something like that. We
wanted to to use it and and it. You know,
it's hard sometimes, but it's fun. Okay. So on our show,

(52:23):
we have this thing called the Superlatives where basically it's like, um,
what is We'll start off with like what we call
the honor roll. What are some of your favorite characters
of this season? Like, who's your favorite character? We all
can agree. I think we all can agree Norris as

(52:44):
he is easily. He's so fantastic this season seedstealer, and
I think he was too good, Like, yeah, I think
that there's some truth to that. I think it was
it had the right ran the risk of hijacking the show. Yeah,
there's I don't think there is one mistake he made,
one slip up, one moment I can look at in

(53:06):
the season and say that could have been better, that
could have been funnier. He is spot on every single
time He has been an absolute standout for me this season.
I have watched the entire show just constantly in awe
of him. So I'm not kidding. I think they were afraid.
I think they were afraid that he would hijack the
show from Cory. He's so entertaining and you could go

(53:29):
so many different directions, Like you just when they put
him in situations like the play or you know, when
he goes on his drunken he's just like, he steals
the scene, he steals the show, and you're just like, well,
I just want to watch that kid, And I think
that that's like that was a risk, you know, we
it was. It was unbalancing to a degree because he
was so talented. So what they should have done a spinoff?

(53:53):
Oh my god, we have this theory for a spinoff
where it's a flat back to Mr Feenie starting school
as a teacher in the sixties and he falls in
love and we've heard about his wife. You know, we
talked about it. We had the same thing. Yeah, no,
I got I got sick of hearing myself on the
podcast say how do you look at Leon Norris and

(54:15):
say that's the kid not coming back? Like I don't
know how it's possible. So yeah, we're all in agreement.
Who do you think has been the most improved actor
as you've watched season the first season from start to finish,
Will Yeah, yeah, i'd have to agree. So we're awkward
in the beginning, awkward, but really your fault, man, you
just no, no, no, it really isn't. They didn't know

(54:39):
who your character was. They're still trying to figure it out.
But your confidence level from those first couple of episodes
to where you are when the season ended, and your
ability to really um make defining choices when they even
when they are only giving you stuff that's about girls. Definitely,
from the beginning to the end, you are most improved.
And I think maybe I would give Jay and Marsden

(55:00):
level of credit to not just because he's Jayson, so
he was so good because you don't know just his
but also just his introduction as like you. Up until
he came onto the show, you did not have a
contemporary to bounce off of. You think about it, you're
either dealing with people younger than you, like Ben And,
or people older than you you know, like and and and.
In both you were sort of on an Island on

(55:22):
your own age wise, and so when they bring Jason
in for that, you know, the Cathy Ireland episode, I
think that's maybe something clicked in you and you started
like even though those episodes are a little one off, yeah,
but I think that you, you know, by the end
of the season, you were given the chance to like
figure your get comfortable and figure yourself out. Yeah. And
I also think a great you know, in a sports analogy,

(55:42):
a great player makes everyone around him better. So bringing
Marsden in, who was so good and so talented, like
just so confident, I think I did vibe off of
that a little bit down. Yeah, I'll take I'll take
most improved. I'll take that. Do you guys have a favorite?
Like seeing our storyline from the season? I I I thought, frankly,

(56:05):
just all the way around. I thought the Fugitive, the
storyline of the fugitive and kind of cementing Sean and
that whole episode. And again it was the thing that
this podcast. One of the things that rewatching does for
me is I thought, in my head, and I think
we all did, the whole storyline was all Sean. But
when you actually go back and watch it, it's really

(56:25):
all Corey trying to hide Sean, but the but the
storyline itself of really cementing the Sean character and the
relationship between Corey and Sean. I thought the Fugitive was
probably my favorite storyline of the first So also like
a great Um, you know, it's one of the best
uses of literature, you know, because there's always literature is
always kind of shoehorned into boy in this world, but

(56:46):
that one it made perfect sense. The telltale hard. Yeah,
it's a good episode. I really like the plays, the thing,
the the Shakespeare episodes because it's just fun, Like I
just you know, watching it was fun. Making it was fun. Um,
you have Bill Daniels doing Shakespeare, which is just great. Yeah,
that was That was one of my favorites. I think
my favorite part of parts of the show, and it's

(57:09):
not an episode or even one particular thing, but I think, um,
all the stuff that pertains with the parents relationships, the
way their relationship develops and build and we see them
um having conversations about how to parent and what they know,
what they don't know, coming up with things on the fly,
and then also being able to see them try to
keep their marriage alive in the midst of having a

(57:29):
family in a job. Like all the parent storylines were
so impactful to me this season, and then with that
related to what they're talking about, even with the fugitive
is Um. The through line of Alan actually being the
Sean of in his life is such a cool um
twist And and I think we'll stick with me now

(57:51):
as we continue to watch the show, whether or not
it gets brought up again, if it doesn't happen until
season six or whatever. In the back of my mind,
I will now know that detail all about Alan and
it will impact the way I see him in the
family relationship. So that to me is my favorite. It
does stick with you because when we watch stories with Alan,
we're always like, we know how boy you throw can
be with continuality, but like we're always like, how was

(58:13):
this type of person like Alan growing up and being
the type of Sean but also having a momb who
wasn't always there. We know these things about Alan, so
we're like, it kind of makes it influences how you
see the decisions that he makes. Yeah, and also on
how harsh he is on Sean for making mistakes like
the drinking episodes, almost so much more harsh on him,
as if he has a personal connection with that kind

(58:35):
of story. See, these are things we don't even remember.
I don't think. I don't think I was even in
the drinking episode. So I can't wait to see it,
to watch that for the first time ever. Um, So,
least favorite episode? Do you have at least favorite episode
from the season or a story? Yeah, It's a Wonderful
Night or kid Gloves, either one of those Kid Gloves.

(58:56):
I did not like Kid Gloves. I didn't mind it
as much until we got into the rewatch and let
will just rip it up, and I was like, it's bad.
It's just bad birthday. They forgot ever mentioned again, just
never mentioned again. Yeah, that would be mine. Yeah, same
kid Gloves or It's a Wonderful Night, those two. And

(59:16):
it's unfortunate that they were back to back episodes because
it could end of the series, right, yeah, yeah, those two.
Neither one of them. I didn't. I mean we've again
you've mentioned to continuity. Was not boy me thrilled, strong suit.
But there were so many things that were just like,
let's not worry about that, Like maybe they were really tired.
It was the end of the season and they just

(59:37):
kind of gave up. But it feels like that. It
feels like a group of people who went, you know what,
I can't think about it anymore. Let's just do it anyway.
It works for the story, and that BOMs we get
the graduate shop. Ye, good enough is what they were
going with at that point. Yeah, so, um, would you
guys be up for a quick lightning round of trivia? Yes? Yes, yeah, yes? Okay.

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So in season one and then only in season one,
Shauna Topanga both claimed to have older sisters. We are
their names. I told I told you will was gonna
be granted. Keep okay, according to uh, you know a
podcast that you had with Matt Lawrence, how many iguanas
does he own? Twelve? Jesus seven twelve? It's correct, four

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he said. He said he was gonna he was gonna
have twelve meals if he ever had to sell them. Ye.
Writer Jeff Sherman revealed he was in the high school
garage band with two Hollywood legends. Do you remember who
they were? Yes, it was Shaun Cassidy and um Jamie
Lee Curtis. It's almost not fair to play this game.
I told you everything, everything that has ever been said yes, okay,

(01:00:49):
So multiple times this season, Corey says I'm blank boy.
What boy? Was he not liad boy, risk boy, shallow
boy or accomplsh boy? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay. I cannot

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wait for you guys to review that one. The season
one has twenty two episodes. How many features Danielle seven
nine eight? IMDb has fourteen for data. You were also
surprised because it feels as though I have a list

(01:01:31):
of our episodes. So the first one was Cory's Alternative Friends.
I'm not going to remember anyway, because I remember you
were like, oh, I wasn't in that episode finished. I
think some of them are. You're just kind of in
the background of the class, Like I say, one line fourteen,
I wouldn't have said that many interesting. Um, and my

(01:01:52):
last question for you guys is, uh, you know T
J I F has a lot of great sitcoms, yours
being included. Do you know which one has the record
for longest running and since action Syndication? Uh? My, go ahead,
I have a guess, but I'm I have a guess too,
but I can't. Um, I would well do we wait?
Is it? I mean it does full House count because

(01:02:13):
it was on T g I f Technically, I think
it's either Family Matters or Full House. God, I wouldn't
know which one. I'm going to go with Perfect Strangers.
I would say Perfect Strangers or Full House is going
to be So I'll stick with Perfect Strangers because it's older. Again.
According to the Google Machine, Boy Meets World has the
record for being on air post its original air date
the longest on network. That question question, but they said ours,

(01:02:43):
including Yeah, no, that's great. I never would have picked ours. Wow, wow, No, no, never,
never would have thought. No. Um, well that's that's all
I have for trivia. Um. We're excited to hear Anthony
Tyler Quinn on and also like going into season to
like if you're able to track down Danny, Blake, Ethan Harley,

(01:03:04):
Joey and Frankie, Like, there's there's such a treat coming
into the second season. What if I tell you we
have all of them booked again? You're like, yes, we
we agree with you. All of those people are indelible
and important and we have already booked all of them.

(01:03:25):
We can't wait to have them on. I cannot tell
you how fun this was. Beat. You guys are so amazing,
so cool, I please check out bra meets World, check
out their podcast, or listen to them. Support them. Um,
I would love to have you guys back at the
end of season two. This has to be a thing,

(01:03:49):
literally and we'll drop everything. Okay, well, we're running it
about a six month pace, so planning like Junior, that's
mean the day of your wedding, we're going to have
to record. I'll be there, don't I promise I'll be there.
If if Danielle and writer will shut up, I could

(01:04:10):
beat it could be. Thank you so much for for uh,
you know, gracing us with your time and doing this
for us. We really appreciate it. Thank you guys so much.
I was just sharing with um yesterday that in two
thousand eleven I have posted something on Facebook that was like, hey,
what's your favorite TV show or a cast from a
TV show that you love? And I posted a picture

(01:04:32):
of you guys, and I said in the in the caption, Um,
this is my all time favorite show with my all
time favorite cast. And I have a theory that for
every lesson in life, there's a boy Meets World episode
that corresponds. And if you don't agree, then you clearly
have never seen the show. Clearly, it's just like a
dream come true moment for for me and for seg
and we're just really grateful to be here. Oh, thank
you so much, grateful, Thank you guys, thank you. Thanks bye.

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Oh man. That was cool. That was really cool. Isn't
that cool? Fourteen episodes? I never thought that you did
fourteen episodes? Yeah, me, neither. I mean I was like
seven or eight whatever, I guess. Yeah, think, um, anything

(01:05:22):
you guys want to talk about amongst the three of
us before we sign off, Thoughts, feelings. Well, my feeling
going into doing this podcast was that season one was
the weakest of Boy Meats World. Um. That's what I
would have said if somebody had asked me, you know
that there's old Boy Meats World and New Boy Meats World.
Now I feel exactly the opposite. Um. I just think

(01:05:46):
that this season is still a very funny sitcom with
um a great dramatic undercurrent. I think that the the
life lessons factor, you know, coming from Feenie and Alan
primary primarily in this season, really is well integrated. Because

(01:06:08):
of Corey's age and because of all of our age
is um and I think in later seasons it gets
a little didactic, a little um condescending, um and to
its audience in some way. That is my assumption. Again,
I haven't watched it, but I remember feeling like by
by the end of the show, it was a little
heavy handed, and watching these early episodes, it's not because

(01:06:30):
we're kids, UM. And I also think I'm going to
get more and more uncomfortable watching the show as it
goes on, because I can see myself as a child
watching this first episode or first season, and I can
I can see Ben as such a child, all of
us as you know, we're just so young, Whereas I'm
going to start to look more and more like I
do now, and I'm going to start to feel more

(01:06:51):
like more and more uncomfortable in my own skin watching
the show. I have a feeling. So I really really
appreciated this first season UM. And I think it's it's
an incredibly well balanced show and UM yeah, I love it.
I think I think if anything, the show airs in
the times when it tries to be like other sitcoms,
you know, like it's a wonderful night, when it's like
create a wacky situation. Um, those are those are the

(01:07:14):
episodes that fail for me. UM. When it has the heart.
It's really it's really good. Um yeah, I I agree.
I don't know what else to say. I agree. I
honestly thought this was gonna be you know, wow, I'm
gonna be terrible. The show is terrible. We didn't find
our stride until like season three or four, And um,
I I think exactly the opposite. I really do. I again,

(01:07:38):
I want to watch the future. Maybe in the future episodes,
I'll be like, No, I was right. We we got
better as we as actors were more comfortable, the comedies
crisp more crisp, and so that may happen. But as
a show all the way around. Again, watching this for
the first time in so long and watching it as
an adult, I watched the show differently than I ever
had before. So seeing Betsy and Rusty and their chemistry

(01:08:00):
and seeing Bill and just watching the show differently, Um,
impacted me more than I thought it would. And then
you know, bringing up kind of a lot of the
personal stuff that we went through and talked about, and UM, yeah,
it's it's it is, as Daniel says, very therapeutic everything
that we've been doing. Um, it's a weird balance of

(01:08:22):
still wanting to do everything for our audience, but also
wanting to do it for us because we're we're watching this,
I mean, this was our lives. This is something that
is hugely important to us, and it's it's trying to
walk that tight rope of we don't want to ruin
anything for the fans, we don't want them to think
we're not appreciative of what we're doing. But at the
same time, we're looking back at our lives, and we're

(01:08:43):
looking back at our lives and critiquing it. And that's,
you know, always something that could be. It can be harsh,
and it can be damaging, it can be healthy, it
can be you know, we're kind of running the gamut
of of all these emotions. So I had a great
time doing it. I couldn't imagine doing it with anybody
else other than the two of you. UM. That's certainly
made it easier every step of the way. There's an

(01:09:03):
instant security going into that UM and I'm looking forward
to how uncomfortable we're all going to be moving forward,
because I think you're right, writer, I think I think
the deeper in we get, we are going to kind
of there's gonna be some some stuff we're not gonna like. So, yeah,
it'll be it'll be fun in the way that it's
that we use that word fun, fun with also a

(01:09:24):
lot of unpacking exactly. Yeah. My my thing, UM that
I loved so much about this season was that I
loved the innocence of it. I loved the fact that
it didn't feel so innocent that it felt like there
were no real lessons or that it was so sugar
coated that nobody was learning anything. Um. I really I

(01:09:45):
felt like it was a real true coming of age
full season where I learned a lot, I saw different perspectives,
um and yet it didn't have to be all about
you know, boys and girls and blah blah blah. And
I know just from remembering episodes we do in the
future and you know, the season five, sixes and sevens,

(01:10:06):
I know it it changes. So I have a fear
that going into season two, some of what I love
about season one is going to disappear. And I don't
know to what extent, but I'm I'm a little nervous
about that. Um. I absolutely had no idea going into
doing this podcast, even though we had talked about it,
we had joked we had joked before we had even

(01:10:28):
started about bringing a therapist on, and I thought, you know,
funny stories, Um, funny idea. I really didn't know how
much was gonna I didn't know how much was gonna
come up for me, and how emotional I was going
to be, even though I joke about being an emotional person. Um,
I really think about it when we've had a couple
of guests that both in some ways negatively have have

(01:10:49):
made me emotional, and then in super positive ways, like
talking to Lee and and and re establishing those conversations
and hearing what his what it was like for him
when he found out he wasn't going to be on
the show anymore, and talking to Tony Quinn and and
just I didn't know how many like I don't know.

(01:11:11):
It seems silly to think that I couldn't know how
important this first season was to my overall life story.
But I'll be damned if there maybe is not a
more important year of my life than than the year
we just watched on the show. Um, I would venture
to say nothing has impacted my life the same, with

(01:11:33):
the exception of on a personal basis, having children, having children,
and the first season of boy Meat's World, are the
two most impactful moments of my life. Say the same thing,
Yeah I would. I would say the same thing, but
but having our children, because I don't have children, So yeah, yeah, better,
I'd say the same thing with far more sleep. Yes,

(01:11:57):
I hate to say it, but a little less joy
from I think that's probably true. I think that's probably true. Well,
I love you guys, um, I couldn't. It would be
impossible for me to love you more. I love you
more actually with every podcast episode. So um, thank you
all for joining us for season one of pod Meats World.
We hope you've enjoyed it as much as we have,
and I hope you've cried a little less than I have.

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Um uh, you will see us first season two. I
can't believe it, but we will be back right in
the new year with season two. We are not taking
a hiatus. There's been a lot of questions about whether
or not we're taking a break. We are not taking
a break. We're rolling right into it, um and we
can't wait. We're really looking forward to it. So as always,
you can follow us on pod Meats World on Instagram
pod Meats World Show. You can email us at pod

(01:12:41):
Meats World Show at Gmail, and we have merch pod
Meats World Show dot com, And uh, should we all
say it this time? Sure? On the count of three, one, two, three,
we love you all. Pod Meets World is an iHeart

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podcast produced and hosted by Daniel Fishel Wilfred l and
Ryder Strong Executive producers, Jensen Carp and Amy Sugarman, Executive
in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor, Tara
suit Box producer, Jackie Rodriguez, engineer and Boy Meets World
super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle
Morton of Typhoon. You can follow us on Instagram at
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