Danny McNulty Meets World

We’ve heard a lot about Danny McNulty, a.k.a Harvey ‘Harley’ Keiner, over the past few weeks and we’ve all been excited to hear the story directly from his mouth. So this week - we’re honored to share just that. 
Danny joins Pod Meets World to fill in the gaps and share everything they never knew. What happened at that fateful table read and why why was he replaced on the show? How similar was Danny to his character and how is he doing now?

If there’s one thing that stands true about Boy Meets World, it’s that the cast will always be connected, and this emotional reunion proves just that. Buckle up for something very special.

If you or someone you know has a mental illness, is struggling emotionally, or has concerns about their mental health, call the National Mental Health Hotline at 866-903-3787.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
So I ran into UH producer Jensen Carr, husband of
his podcast. It was either yesterday the day before the
day's blend at Target buying what I can only describe
as a ridiculous amount of gummy worms and for Halloween.
I don't know he had. He was He looked like

(00:40):
he was on a mission and embarrassed at the same time.
If that means there you go, you're already discovered the
issues you've seen your boys cover for him to eat
as much. Basically, so, Jensen loves gummy candies, loves them,
and my children like gummy worms. And there's this particular

(01:01):
brand of gummy worms that my kids like that are
you know whatever the version of like healthy? Are they
organic gummy worms? I don't know. Yeah, they're like healthy
gummy worms healthy. I don't know, there's like no dies
or something. It's just you know, there's some like worms,

(01:23):
the organic worms. Um. And so when I have bought
a bag, I'll say, like, I'm going to get these
for the kids. Are you gonna want to eat any
of them? Because if you are, we're going to need
to buy more because our kids are pretty good about
like you can have five gummy worms and then they're
fine with the five gummy worms. Jensen will open a
bag of gummy worms and then eat a bag of

(01:44):
gummy worms. And when I mean a bag of gummy worms,
I mean there's like a hundred gummy worms in there
or something. And so all then go back to the
gummy worms the next day and be like, where are
the gummy worms? And He's like, white them, you know,
they're gone, and I'm like, we've had them. We had
it was a right. So the other day when he
went to the grocery store, I said, buy the kids

(02:06):
their gummy worms, and then by whatever amount of gummy
worms you need for you, you will have your stash
of gummy worms and the kids will have theirs. So
what he bought was three small bags of gummy worms
for our kids and then the humongous monster. You're having
seven hundred people over to your house for gummy worms

(02:26):
bag of gummy worms. So that's that. And I like
gummy worms only because they're the best way to catch
bigger Swedish fish. So that's our that's our favorite thing
about it, because we're big Swedish fish fans. And the Swedish, oh,
they now have one with their tropical ones. So like
the front half is one flavor and then the tail

(02:47):
is another flavor. Don't get me started. Well, everyone's like,
you need to eat more fish. Well, you need to
eat more fish. So I have been right. There you go,
and I don't take the problem. I don't see the problem. Also, writer,
I'd like to point out, I don't know what it
is about your room today, but I've been glancing down
and it looks at times like you're in a snow globe,
Like there's just all this kind of fluff floating around.

(03:09):
There is there is a you know what it is.
I think it's the reflection of his watch. Are you
wearing a watch? No, that's one, but there's also then
there's also like like fuzzy one just went by, Yes,
so it does again yesterday. That's trying the problem. So
it doesn't look like you're you're the big Yeah, it's

(03:31):
just the way the light hit is hitting. This is
going to be the game all day. Shake up? Right
there you go? Right? Or your skin looks great. I
was going to say, have you been using have you
been doing guasha? No? What did you say? What word
did you just say? Gasha? Well, it's a Chinese um

(03:56):
a skin thing where you take like either rose quartz,
a rose quartz slate or a jade slate and you
put like oil on your face. You don't scrape, like
you're not scraping skin, You're you're just pushing. It's basically
to help with puffiness and it helps with like lymphatic
drainage and it's really good for you. But it's like
an extremely natural um way of of bringing blood flow

(04:22):
to your skin and plumping your skin. And I saw
a girlfriend of mine for lunch the other day and
I said, oh my gosh, your skin looks amazing and
she said gasha, and I was like wow. And right,
so it's a real thing. It's not like also you
need wizards or whatever some of that where it's like
if you lay on these crystals or is a code
for I just had botox? Right, that's that's that's why

(04:46):
my nose looks smaller. No, look it up. You know,
there's only so much I can do, Like there's so
much self care. But you know what's funny, it's like,
do you remember, like I mean, I've I've had this
conversation like recently where like the word metro sexual had
to be invented for the very notion that men might

(05:07):
take care of their skin, for their hair. And it's
like and I remember feeling that way like in the nineties,
and part of it was being an adolescent, but also
so much a part of the culture, uh to just
not give a crap about your face or your body
or you're like and it's just like now it's you know,
it's pretty standard, like everybody should probably take care of themselves.
I think then are going to be wearing makeup pretty

(05:27):
much within the next ten years, like on a regular basis.
I think I think it's definite time that we take
care of our skin more so, like you should like
wash your face and stuff right where sunscreen that never
never did and like when I was a kid man
just always sunburned doesn't hurt so much when I go
out of the beach. I wonder why I hate the beach.
It's like, like, just never put on sunscreen, right, Oh

(05:53):
my god, You're like your entire bodies one big sun
blister always always, Like I just have memories of sleeping
and not being able to sleep because burning up on
my Yeah, well, welcome to pod Meat's world. I'm Danielle visual,
I'm right or Strong, and I'm Before we get into
our episode with Danny McNulty, which will basically conclude our

(06:14):
Bully series. We had Adam Scott, we had Blake Sennate,
we had Ethan Supply, and today Danny McNulty. Uh. To
commemorate this little segment of our podcast, we have something
we haven't had in a while, which is new merch,
New new Merch. Well, I wasn't expecting. I didn't have
one chamber for that. You're you're always supposed to be
ready for new Mary. I didn't have one in the

(06:35):
chamber for that at all. Now March, I got nothing.
That's great, wa way to pick it up? Um And
so yeah, we've got new March. We've got a new
T shirt to commemorate the very awkward encounter Right or
Strong had Do we call it huggate, embrace gate, Adam

(06:56):
embrace Gate? Adam Scott coined it embrace skate and uh, yeah,
it's been really fun to to ask other people what
their thoughts were and we may never know the truth. Guy,
big story, whether Adam, Adam Scott, or note the amount
of text messages I got in my life from people.

(07:19):
You know, people hadn't talked to you for a year
or two. Suddenly we're like here, here, Adam Scott. Here,
you're really weird up. I hugging Adam Scott. It's like,
oh my god, well, I love how Danielle sent how
Adam sent you a text Danielle saying like, so apparently
I confronted you got clipping man like fit was so

(07:40):
it was so uncomfortable. It was like Adam Scott confronted
the cast of about their treatment of him, and it
was like, wait a minute, but anyway, it was hilarious.
The shirt is phenomenal. It's a very comic book style shirt.
So if you're interested in some new Pod Mets World merch,
be sure to check it out. So we have been

(08:02):
counting down the days until we got to this interview.
We actually had to postpone at once, which was very
unfortunate and uh, our our dear listeners have been asking
for this gentleman for a very long time. He portrayed
Harvey Harley Kiner for eight episodes of Boy Meets World,
mostly in season two, and just so you guys know,
we do now know that his name will later be

(08:24):
revealed to be Harvey and watched the show. We know,
it's so weird to be in this position where everybody
listening out there knows more than we do. Yes, everyone,
So it's just a very I remember a lot, and
I do remember a lot. Well, you remember a lot
of behind the scenes stuff. You actually remember no idea
what that was. Okay. So Danny's first episode was our

(08:48):
season two opener, back to School, and his last episode
was when he returned in season three for episode four.
He said, she said, but there's always been a bit
of a mystery. Um, it's when he came back to
confront Adam Scott's character. Yeah, he came back to like
I remember that dialogue, do you? Yeah? I don't remember
the episode at all, he said. He's standing in front

(09:09):
of him and he essentially says, I'm gonna I'm gonna
kick your kick your butt, and and Griff looks at
him and says, okay, So then you've thought this entirely through.
You're gonna kick my butt, You're gonna end up in jail.
I'm still gonna be here tomorrow. Like, he goes through
this entire speech about that, and you see the wheels
like turning in Harley's mind. I don't know why I
remember that scene. I don't even think, but I do
remember that. Yeah. Well, there's always been a little bit

(09:29):
of a mystery around Danny's departure from the show, and
including someone else who appears to have played his character
who comes back like and plays one episode. Um plays
Harley for one episode, and then of course later Adam
Scott took his spot as King of the Bullies. We
always loved Danny, but as most of us were just
children living in a time where like mental health issues
were mostly swept under the rug, we never knew the

(09:50):
full story. We're very much looking forward to hearing it
directly from him today. So let's please welcome Danny McNulty. M. Hey, everyone,
it's Bethany Frankel. We are reliving the best moments from
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(10:11):
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(10:56):
Oh my gosh, look at you, Look at your pod dismissed. Awesome. Yes,
I got to represent, as they said, Oh my gosh,
I don't let me seeing the backgrounds. My good friend
Ben Noir, he it's nice enough to let me use
the studio today. Ben Ben is a music studio. Hans

(11:17):
at a piano. Oh man, it's so good to see you.
Thank you for being here with us. Of course you
know it's an honor. So Danny, let's get started with
how did you How did you get into acting? Um? Well,
I got into acting at a very young age. Um.

(11:39):
Both of my parents are from Doneygall, Ireland, and um
they came to America to open up an Irish bar
and forest Tills, Queens. And it was at this time
where I first got my acting bug. Where I was
serving pints to customers at seven years old. Yes, most
irish thing I've ever had, you know. I had a stool.

(12:01):
As soon as I could reach it. I was like,
I want to make money out of this and play
the pac Man machine. And that's what I did. That
was like my main babysitter. And basically, you know, your
dad really didn't want you to get into acting, right, Yeah,
well originally, um, um, my parents divorced when I was eleven,
and um then my father he was not into acting,

(12:24):
you all. I was always trying to get you know,
his his approval, and then um my dad passed away
when I was fourteen, and um so from there, I
asked my mom if it would be okay if I,
you know, started acting, and she said, yeah, sure, gives
the shot. So I went to h Lee Strasburg, the
Young People's program there. Anna Strasburg got me my first audition,

(12:50):
and uh, I just I just loved loved working with
with with the the the actor you know, James Dean
went there. Malin Brando was like this this this feeling
as a as a as a kid, you know, and um, yeah,
my dad didn't want me to get into acting. I
got into the acting, and from from there I went

(13:13):
to When I was sixteen, I dropped out of high
school because I was left back in second grade and
fifth grade due to an undiagnosed learning disability. And uh,
it was it was tough in high school. You know,
I was a freshman, all all my uh all my

(13:34):
friends with juniors, so I just didn't really fit in.
So wait, so I want to ask you a little
bit more about that. So when you were in second grade,
you get through second grade, you finished second grade, and
then what happens. They decide not to let you go
into third grade. You have to redo second grade. You
have to redo second grade, and then see all your

(13:54):
friends that you were, you know, they go on and
then everyone else is like, wait, you're in the wrong class, right, Like,
oh no, I'm not. I'm sticking around, you know, I'm here.
And my dad had passed away at that time, so
it was it was a lot going on, you know,
I'm no kidding. So then you then the same thing
happens when you go into fifth grade. So in fifth grade,

(14:16):
you're you know, I think you're about ten right in
fifth grade, somewhere around their ten eleven years old. So
it happens again. You go through fifth grade, and then
at the end of fifth grade they decided they're not
gonna let you go forward into junior high. You're going
to stay in fifth grade. So now you're two years
older than everybody else. Yeah, in fifth grade, how do
you think they missed the learning disability for you? What

(14:38):
were the signs that you were What were the things
you were experiencing that that were just missed? In second grade,
I had moved from a public school into a private
school and I didn't meet their um level of learning.
And then by fifth grade, um, my mom took me
to a doctor and they realized that I was a slexic,

(15:01):
and um, yeah, it's just like it was really hard
for me, especially with acting, because I'd have to literally
train my mind to have somebody else speak out the
lines first, and then I can roll into it like
a table reads for a nightmare. Wow. Okay, so in
fifth grade then you get held back and then you

(15:23):
go forward, which so one of the things I'm thinking
about with that is that it's it's so interesting that, um,
when we interviewed Blake and Ethan, they were talking about
this with with of darkness that they had about them,
and I think it was Blake who pointed out specifically
how interesting it is that all of us, with our
characters mirrored, had so many things in common, like you
being two years older than everybody in your schools. Actually hard,

(15:46):
actually exactly what hard, Like multiple jokes are like he's
going to be here for ten years or whatever. Yeah,
that's exactly kind of like my upbringing to where I
came from, you know. So when I was sixteen, I
dropped out and got my g E D. And that's
where I went. I went to the Neighborhood Playhouse to

(16:08):
study the Meisner technique and that was that was that
was interesting. It's a two year program. Like I only
got asked back, you know, I didn't get asked back
for the second year. So a buddy of mine, Jed Reese,
was working up in Vancouver a lot, and he went
to school with me in New York and he said,
come on up to you know, Vancouver, and we'll try

(16:30):
out a few things. And he got me an agent
and from there I started working like my my first roles,
like my first role was Street Justice with Carl Weathers
actually opposite Omar Epps and like sort of a racial
you know, racially you know, like it was called black

(16:51):
or blue. That was. That was a really interesting experience
just to get it under my belt, to like to learn,
you know, blocking and you know what the cameras are
and everything. So from there I moved back to New York.
Did a couple of commercials. My first commercial was an
Elvis Presley stamp commercial. Oh my gosh, pull up in

(17:12):
a Cadillac. When is the stamp not just the stamp?
I say, one of rocks man, one of rocks, Elvis
gear and everything. I think I remember that that was
the that when when the entire question was are they
gonna put thin Elvis or heavier Elvis on the standard?
It was It was a big Yeah, it was a
big Everyone said Elvis was finally getting a stamp, and
it became this big national debate do we put thin

(17:35):
young Elvis on the stamp or do you put the
older Elvis when he was heavy on the stamp. He
became this whole thing. There was commercial and fans voted,
and yeah, it was a whole big thing. Who was
I think it was young Elvis went on the stamp.
I think, right, yeah, young Elvis, And that meant lots
of my mom because my mom was a big Elvis fan.
So I was like, oh Jesus, lovely Irish accent, thought

(17:58):
Danny admitt prag. But the whole I mean, for anybody
who is unaware of, uh kind of what it's like
to come up in the business when you are you
go from Strausburg to Meisner, I mean that's royalty when
it comes to acting schools and acting teaching. It's a
very specific style of acting, but it is one that

(18:19):
is not easy to get into nor easy to sustain.
So I mean you were trained by some of the best. Yeah,
it was, it was, it was. It was something that
I you know, if I couldn't do regular school, I
wanted to go give it, give it my all, and
you know, to do everything I could to make it,
to make it happen. So you we all know what
an amazingly close relationship with your mother that you you had.

(18:43):
And I want to get into that a little bit
here because you mentioned her and her accent, and I
also imagine that you know, with your dad passing away
when you were fourteen, did that just make you even
closer to your mom? Will you tell us a little
bit about the bond you and your mom had. Yeah.
My mom's name is kat Lean mcdonalfield. As I said,
she's from Donegal, Ireland, just very hard working. After my

(19:05):
parents split, she took over the bar and had no
idea about business or anything, but she became one of
the shrewdest businesswomen and in all the Queen's to be honest,
and back then, you know, women weren't really doing that.
You know, they didn't really have a say. It was
more like you know, what are you doing? You know,
like who where's your husband? Where's the man of the house.

(19:28):
I am the man of the house, and um my mom,
my mom, I just want to be candid with you
guys for everything, you know, to help other people with
with any struggles that they're going through. My mom was
diagnosed with manic depression and back in those days they
didn't really have any medications or anything. They just didn't

(19:51):
know really what it was. When was she diagnosed with that?
We we know that today as bipolar disorder and bipolar today.
Um that was eighty five six, eighties seven. So when
she started to get sick, I stepped up and I
was running a bar um for soth queens and I

(20:14):
got my first apartment when I was seventeen, and my
mom always was very supported, you know, supportive of what
I was doing. And you know, even though she had
that going on at the same time when she wasn't
on a you know, manic. I call it the bipolar
right roller coaster, like you buy a ticket and you

(20:36):
know you don't it just goes round and round, and
it was really difficult. But at the same time that
she was so strong, so when she had her power,
it was just amazing what she could do. I wouldn't
ask for another mom if I could just all the
lessons that I had sort of like school hard knocks

(20:57):
growing up. I knew there was a reason for it,
that the universe was getting me ready young, you know,
to experience things so I could help other people in
the future. So when did you How did you find
yourself in Los Angeles? I came there right like about
six months, six months before Boy Meets World, and I

(21:19):
started auditioning. Um got close to a couple of things,
and uh, just just out of nowhere, I got the
Boy Meets World. Uh audition, you know, the first audition
I met Sally Steiner. Do you remember your audition? Oh? Yeah,
I actually auditioned seven times. Seven times, Really, that is ridiculous.

(21:41):
I would have assumed that you walked in the door
and they were like, well, that's so hard to me,
Like you just you just you own that character so much.
It's like there's there's no you know what, we we
saw it, there's no other way to do it, like
you had to. Oh my god, that's so funny. Seven
times that writer. Because I really admire all you guys act,
you're acting, you know, so seven times I'm auditioning. Sally

(22:05):
Steiner was like, come on, whatever, you can do it,
you know, so kind, so so helpful. I don't know
if Barbi Block was on the show. I don't think
she was. I don't think she came on until maybe
third season. Yeah, I think that that's right. And yeah,
I just remember seven times for one show. Wow. It's

(22:26):
like you do the one show and then all of
a sudden you get a script. You're like, oh, this
is your script for next week, like next week. Okay,
So at the time that you were auditioning, you thought
it was just going to be one episode. Yeah, just
one yeah, just one episode. Seven times for for a
guest cast for one episode. I believe that it can
audition seven times for Eric well and most of the

(22:50):
time for especially for for a guest cast, they're doing
the auditions like the week before. So how do you
even have seven times the first episode of the season,
there are more of a run up time to it.
And I think, you know, I do think that, Like
you know, Michael really cares about actors, right like, and

(23:11):
he really he takes casting, probably more seriously than a
lot of te To his credit, that's what part of
what made Women's World good and all of this show
is better than your average sitcom is that he did
give care and time and and a lot of times
that meant multiple sessions like and probably driving Sally and
Barbie crazy, you know, but also meant firing actors because

(23:33):
that and that's one thing where you know, we've talked
about it where it's it sucks, but Michael had a
vision when it came to certain characters, and if somebody
wasn't working out, they would go he would go back,
and they would he would hire somebody else to do.
And it's terrible, but that's why they say it's not
show friends, it's show business. And that's what that's what
he would do but he also it seems it seems
so it's uncanny to me his apparent ability to find

(23:57):
actors who really are like their characters, like he really
did and he's able. It was a reciprocal relationship though too,
you know, like he would cast and then rewrite, and
you have a whole week at least, even if somebody's
only every one week, you can write to their strengths.
But I'm just amazed that you did not walk in
and and just get the part, because it's like you

(24:18):
have you have this New York vibe that obviously they wanted, right,
you have this sort of like this cool guy like
dated five in a way, it's like two fifties. Like
that's why it's so cool that you played Elvin. Of
course you did, like I see you you had like
a throwback you know, you did have that James Dean
like James. It wasn't fake. It wasn't because I feel

(24:41):
like everybody wants to you know, especially back then, like
teenagers wanted to achieve that, but they didn't have it,
and you just had it like this effortless cool presence
that you just owned it. It's it's amazing. It took
seven takes, But all right, thank you. I appreciate that, Danny.
Were you basing the character on anyone or was it
just a character you hadn't you? Yeah, I had a

(25:01):
little as she as she said, James Dean, Elvis Presley,
a little Montgomery Clifton there, but little Bobby Tenero. But
you know, you know that's so true. And so then
when you book, it was your mom the first person
you called, Yes, yes, oh you finally did a good

(25:26):
man good you know, yeah, she was really proud. You know,
do you remember meeting Ethan and Blake for the first time?
What was the dynamic you had with the with like
the three of you together. Ethan, Ethan had this this
this coolness I just draw to him. You know, he

(25:47):
wasn't trying to be you know, he was just there
reading his book or just just solid like solid good people.
You could you could tell, you know, people who have
good hearts. And you know, Ethan had this amazing presence
and it wasn't about being his size, you know, I
I think he's amazing big, arts, small or anyway, because

(26:08):
he's always had that fire, that true fire. And and
Blake was was a tripper. He was always funny always yeah,
all right, all right, little all right, yeah, okay again
like their characters. That's the thing. They were like their
care all of you were. So you just snapped into
that right away, which leads me to believe. I mean again,

(26:30):
I don't know, do you think that Michael he knew
that these characters had a shot of coming back or
do you think that it was it was just they
were so magnetic when they got there where I was like,
we've gotta do we gotta do this more. I think
Michael Jacobs is an amazing mastermind of so I believe
that there was a chess board in front of him
and he saw the moves all the right away. But

(26:52):
he saw the moves and he saw the you know,
the how people get along and if they're if they're
good match, and what he said, you know, I had
a floor. You know, Michael Jacobs is amazing like that.
He just you know, I think for sure he thought,
if I can get the right people in here and
they have the right you know energy together and their

(27:12):
energy is what I wanted to be. This could be
a huge part of the school, a huge part of school,
which is exactly what it turned into, which I think
is part of the reason why, like you said, Danny
the chessboard that he had in front of him. I
do think it's one of the reasons he cares so
much about every actor he hires and why sometimes he
lets people go is if this isn't going to be
something that I can see working for multiple different things

(27:34):
and carrying multiple storylines in the future, then it isn't
gonna it's not worth the exactly exactly, you know. I
just want to say, after watching you guys on the pod,
I love the first season, you know, and I totally
agree with you, like the drop, shock or star, because
it was like, this must have been traumatic in a

(27:55):
way because they're coming in on there only this age mean.
I'm i'm I'm like ten years I think older than you. Danielle.
I'm i'm um. You guys were all younger, even Blake
and Ethan were five years younger. Yeah, you know, you
guys were really cool, really professional, and you were very

(28:17):
genuinely nice. I was surprised because you know, in case
you're like, wait a second, and did they say hello? Yeah,
they said, you know, of course, you know you're gonna
give them the distance because you guys were you know,
just the starts of the show, and it's sort of like,
you know, you come in, you're like, all right, well,
I want to make you guys look better. You know,

(28:38):
that was my attitude. Blake thought we were faking. That's
the thing I love is when I went back in
Flakes like you guys are all so nice, I thought
it was fake. That was disingenuous at first. Yeah, it's
so funny. Did you enjoy playing a bully? You're such
a nice guy. It's it's a little bit like Adam Scott,
Like Adam's got such a nice guy and he always

(28:59):
ends up playing these like jerky characters. To enjoyed playing
a like threatening bully, well, you know, not the threatening part,
but I enjoyed the mental aspect of it, you know,
because I myself had gone through some bullying as a
kid myself with the grade school of being left back.

(29:19):
So it was kind of my way of venting that
energy and instead of letting it be inside me and
holding inside of me, I was able to release it
into the character and um, you know, like as you know,
like with Girl Meats World, like when I was on
I tried to go in my Instagram. I tried to
make it, you know, anti bullying as much as possible.

(29:43):
You know, it's it's it's it's a hard battle. You know,
a lot of kids are going through today, and you know,
it's it's we didn't have that when we were younger.
I mean a page or would have been the only
way to really reach out, you know, like that wasn't
really up and going, and nowadays kids have to grow
up so fast, you know, well, it's one of the

(30:04):
things that they talk about, is the fact that I
think we've even addressed it on the pod maybe especially
with bullying. There was a time where kids could get
away from it because when they left school, they were home,
which was a much safer space. And now because the
internet and social media is everywhere, they don't you don't
get the break. The kids that are getting bullied go
home and they're still getting bullied, and so they never Yeah,

(30:26):
you can't ever get away from it. And they're like
and like with you will with with the social distancing
from um, the internet, I think that's a great thing,
you know, for for mental I mean I catch myself
you know, on it and it's like wait a second,
this whole time is going by. I'm I'm not I'm
not seeing the signs God's giving me because I'm I'm

(30:48):
glued to my phone. You know, they're scrolling, just scrolling
in your life, and anybody who deals with with any
sort of mental health issues like me, I just it
just made me a healthier person. I mean, it really
truly just made me a healthier person. It's so funny
because wait, Danielle and Ryder and I talked about how
how close we are and how even after thirty years,

(31:09):
we've gotten closer because of this podcast. And there was
a time where not long ago, where I was like,
I'm thinking of maybe getting back on social media, and
both writer and Danielle reach out like, I don't know
if you should, like I think for your mental health,
I just think it's better if you don't. And they're right,
They're completely right about it. And so it was also
having that kind of structure around you, in that support system,

(31:31):
going I see where you're coming from, but do the
do the benefits outweigh kind of the negative that you're
going to feel mentally, And they're right, and so there's
not even just about you will, I mean, we we
were specific about you in certain ways. But I was
just I just if I could cut the core completely,
I would do you know what I mean. I was
proud that that you had already accomplished that I didn't
want to see it because I was like, oh I

(31:53):
could just I mean I could. I would wish I
could completely cut it off, and I did. I stopped Facebook,
I stopped some but like, it's really hard, especially because
we do get a lot of especially with this podcast.
We have a good community of people online, Like there
is a lot of support, and I do enjoy aspects
of it a lot, you know. I enjoy the sense
of community um and and feedback and being able to

(32:14):
share with that community and and have comments come in.
But it's it's it's so tricky. And I like the
free I'm gonna be honest if we have to. But
because you get free stuff when you're on Instagram and
all that kind of stuff that you do, I would
reach out and be like, I love your product. Can
I have somebody, and well, yes, oh my god, oh

(32:41):
my gosh, we are that. This is where Will and
I are the most different. I get sent free stuff
all the time, and I like just stuff. I want
no stuff. I don't want no stuff. I want no stuff.
I like zero stuffs. Hey everyone, it's Anglert and Kayla
Miller Keys and Jared Heyn. I'm I'm here. I'm here

(33:04):
to guys, hosts of the new podcast. Help we suck
at being newlyweds because I guess we just don't suck
at dating anymore. No, I mean your newly weds. I
am not a newlywed anymore. I'm curious if I sucked
at being a newlywed. I don't think so. I mean
I I made it to the altar, and I am
so happy to be joining you, guys. I can't wait
to talk about relationships, marriage, and just everything in between.

(33:27):
It's about time we have someone smart to join this podcast.
It's too long between us. This young lady is a
broadcast journalism major. She knows what she's doing. I'm so
excited to be hosting a podcast with my soon to
be wife and of course, my best friend Jared. How's
it gonna make you feel working together? Now? You guys
live together, we're together, gonna get married. Yeah, it'll be interesting.
You going to get tired of each other? Absolutely? Yes?

(33:49):
Be sure to listen to help we suck at being
newlyweds on the I Heart radio app, Apple podcasts or
wherever you listen to podcasts talking about mental health and
social media and all of that feels like a really
good transition to talk about because we talked about it
a little bit with Blake and Ethan, But we have

(34:09):
never fully known the story of you. So you came
to boy Meats World, you auditioned seven times, you become
this incredible iconic character of Harley Kiner, and then what
it felt like to us was that just one day
you were gone. You did seven episodes, and then we

(34:29):
all have memories of what I actually don't know if
I was there at that table. I don't think I
was there because I don't have I've heard the stories
now enough times that you start to think, like, was
I there? But I don't think I was. But I
know writer and will remember that a table read where you,
you know, had a difficult time, and you mentioned that
table reads were difficult for you. Can you tell us

(34:50):
what was going on for you mentally during the seven
episodes you were Harley Kiner before you know, we brought
you back in season three three? Your eight right, Um,
I'll try and throw it in a nutshell. Um, bipolar
illness is, it's a chemical imbalance. And I had dealt

(35:11):
with it with my mom and I had no it's
never gonna be me. It's not gonna happen, and um
kind of crazy. I'll just tell you a quick story.
Um My, a psychic walks into my bar and forest
those queens. She says, oh you, you know you broke

(35:31):
bread with Jesus and you're You're a very special person.
You're gonna have a light in this world. So she
tells me I'm gonna meet you in Los Angeles and
six months from now and then Sedona, Arizona. And I
was like, okay, lady, you take your medication and I'll
talk to you soon. Six months later, Um, I'm in
l A. I get a call from her and I

(35:54):
go to Sedona for this angel workshop and basically I
went there. It was in a amazing experience. I opened
up so many chakras and I opened up my whole being.
And when I got back to l A, I wasn't
shut down enough. I was still open. But within within

(36:16):
that week I booked Why Meet's World and it was
like this this high that I was coming into and
I had just feeling like there was this battle between
darkness and light, and I thought that I could make
the world a better place by bringing it. It was
like this, when you're dealing with bipolarist is it's very grandiose.

(36:36):
You have these these outward thoughts and then you think
you can it's very hard to explain delusions of delusions
of grand exactly well. And that hit me, you know,
And then I wasn't closed down enough. I didn't. I didn't.
I felt like spiritually I was out there and whatever

(36:58):
got in, like astral vampires. There's all kinds of things
I went through and exorcism, all this crazy stuff. It um,
it was just very, very difficult. And I was at
the table read and I pull up in my Cadillac
convertible and for some reason I had stopted a dog

(37:18):
and I brought this dog on set and uh, I
was at the table read. I thought everything would be
fine and normal, and I just felt this meltdown at
the table and I remember Blake helped me. I dropped
the script on the floor, picked it up for me.
He was so good. He was like, you could do
this and just give him a minute, you know, he's

(37:39):
like saying to the producers, like, you know, just give
a minute. And I remember just winding down and it
was just like I was, I was frozen. I couldn't do,
I couldn't talk, I couldn't you know, And I knew
it was like everything was imploding, you know, like when
when you have that kind of stigma on your resume.

(38:03):
You know, back then, nobody was really breaking down there.
I think, you know, Britney Spears was still a mousketeer,
you know, that wasn't anybody in the media. There wasn't
really any discussion about it. So it kind of threw
my acting career into a very bad tizzy, um until

(38:24):
they recontacted me for Girl Needs World. So what happened?
So the table read happens, and and so I know
you're you're talking about that the you you're using your words.
The meltdown that happened at the table read was related
to I'm assuming you have since been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Yes, yes,

(38:44):
that's that's what happened. And and then they got me
on the proper medication. At the time, it was really
just lithium that worked and a few others, but uh,
I didn't really like the medications it was. It was
just tough. You know, well, were you on any absolutely? Absolutely?

(39:05):
When I so when I had my um my first attack,
they didn't know what it was. It was the same thing.
And you you know, with anxiety, you're you're convinced you're dying.
You just it can't be in your mind. It's you've
got cancer, You're having a stroke, you're having a heart attack,
You're dying. And then so I was on two different
kinds of medication, which is why I gained so much
weight towards the end of of Boy Meats World. It's

(39:27):
because it's the only way I could perform. I mean,
I could not get out there unless I unless I
was medicated. And and it was in the earlier days
of anxiety medication as yours was in the earlier days
of bipolar medication, where you know, lithium was was what
was going on. And I have some friends that are
bipolar that talk about the demons and the darkness coupled
with the um the sparkles where they say, the entire

(39:48):
like everything sparkles around you in the world is the
most amazing place to be um So, yeah, it was,
And nobody was talking about it. You're right, we couldn't.
You couldn't take a minute and say give me a second,
I'm having an anxiety attack or I'm sorry, I'm bipolar.
I mean, it's just no one said anything. You held
it inside and you died inside. That's just what you did.

(40:09):
So and we didn't know what was going on with you.
We just we and then it was and then you
were gone, Like none of us had a chance to
even talk to you or or let you know that
we were there. We would have been there to support
you in any way we could have. Um, you were
just you just weren't there. So it was. Yeah. So
the morning of the table Read, you have that meltdown

(40:32):
and Blake is trying to help you any saying like
give him a minute, give him a minute. The table
Read ends, and what happens, um My sister was visiting
from New York and they called her. She got me
off the set and she took me to this hospital,
Edgemont Hospital. And what is it like like an e

(40:54):
er hospital or a mental hospital slash dab. But for
never a problem for me, you know at that time,
never like Blake said something about acid, I'd never touched
any anything like that. It was just purely, purely the
bipolar roller coaster. You know. Okay, so your sister takes

(41:18):
you to the hospital and you get checked in. I
get checked in Disney sent Um. One of their psychologists
are like, someone to help talk to me, to see
if they could they could they could get me down.
You have to get me into to get me to
the show, you know. Yeah, because I left everybody on

(41:39):
the lurch. That's what I felt like, like, like, you know,
like you guys were kids at the time I was.
I felt like like I traumatized you at the table
read I was like, oh my god. You know, thinking back,
it's like, wow, it must have been difficult for them
to see such a thing. You know, it was difficult
for us to see it because we can aired about

(42:01):
That's why it was difficult to see it. It wasn't
It had nothing to do with oh my god, I
can't believe he's not going to be on the show.
It's that we we really liked you well, I mean,
we love you, and it was one of those things
where we we just didn't know. Again, we weren't kind
of kept in the circle of information of stuff that
was going on and then it was just kind of
just don't ask um well interestingly, I mean going back

(42:22):
to the point that that people didn't really talk about
mental health in any of the same terms that we
do now. I don't know if the adults were well
equipped enough to present the infront of I don't know.
I think if I remember Jeff McCracken was directing, and
if I remember there was this I just remember being
Danny's not coming back, but Danny's gonna be okay, and
he just left it at that and and you know,

(42:45):
my assumption, I think at the time was that it
was drug related, because that's that's the only way I
could understand like the notion of you know, acting differently
or or I don't know, I guess I just you know,
I had been raised by the Reagan eraw, so you know,
to drugs, you touch a drug, you can go crazy
and jump out a window and have you know, so
any sort of like episode that felt out of character

(43:07):
or different, I would immediately that's where my brain went,
I think as a kid, you know. And and they
didn't explain it one way or the other, so again
I sort of assumed. But the keeping from us that
Danny had a drug problem? Um was was I think
the assumption I made at the time, which it never
of course, no one ever confirmed that, no one. I
don't think you everyone ever said that to me, but
they didn't. They didn't have the capacity to say, this

(43:28):
is a mental health issue. It's probably one of these
three disorders. It's you know, like all the things that nowadays,
hopefully they'd be able to communicate. It's also, though hugely Danny,
to your credit, it's amazing that with what you were
going through, you never did drugs, because the first thing
you do is you self medicate. I mean, that's when
you're dealing with any sort of mental health issue. That's
what you want to do, is what do I have

(43:49):
to do to not feel this? I remember one time
telling my doctor when went right at the start of
my anxiety disorder, when it was really bad, and I
mean there was a time I was bedridden for for
a couple like a week and a half. I remember
saying to my doctor, if you told me right now
that heroin was gonna make me feel better, I'm going
to try heroin. Because it was you just want to

(44:11):
not feel the way you're feeling, So the fact that
you weren't doing any drugs is incredible that you never
went down that road of I just I have to
self medicated. So that's answer. Yeah, it's a real credit.
And I kind of knew in my mind that would
be it. You know, if I ain't got any mushrooms
or psychedelics anything like that, it would be be a

(44:32):
death sentence for me. You know, how long were you
then in the hospital leaving the table read you get
checked into the hospital. How long are you there? I'd
like to say so for about a month, yeah, just
to to make sure that the right medication and everything
got balanced with it. Three weeks, three weeks to a month,

(44:53):
and uh, yeah, it was. It was really difficult. And
I was really surprised when Michael Jacobs and everyone reached
out and said, you know, we want to have you
on for you know, for one more episode. You know,
they didn't say it was gonna only gonna be one.
I thought it was like, oh, I'm gonna be back,
But at the same time I knew it was like, hey,

(45:16):
there's gonna be a little bit of a different change,
you know. But it was so great that they brought
me back for the closure. Um, you know, he said,
she said, was the episode with Adam and uh, Adam
is such a graceful guy and you know he's he's
really I'm glad. I'm glad it was somebody like like him,

(45:38):
you know, to replace me, because I could see over
the you know, longevity of time at UH. I don't know,
there's something really cool about him. That's it. He played.
He played a different part. Dude, nobody could replace you.
We we we proved that. But the other character that
that moved in, UH. To address your point, writer, UM,

(46:01):
Harvey Harvey is actually Harvey Harley Kiner because his real
name was Harvey. He didn't want anybody to know that
it would be like, you know, Harvey Air. You know,
you don't want to He didn't want to be associated
with that that you know, stigma of Harvey. So I
think then Harley was, you know, the the kicker. You know,

(46:25):
how did you feel when you came back for that
final episode, Like, what were your thoughts going into it?
Were you're were you nervous? What were your feeling. I
was still a little loopy with the medication, um, because
it just didn't sit well with me at first. UM,
I was just a little little out of it. But
I remember it was in a different studio. Well, when

(46:48):
I first was filming one a visa studio, which is
a magical place. It's Disney, you know, that's where Disney
walked walked down, that's those steps, and that's where he
created everything. You know. That was the magic of it.
And that was another thing I missed the most. Boina
visa studios and pulling up on set and you're like, oh, yeah,

(47:09):
pulled up to the same thing. Yeah, it's magical, magical.
So that's third season. So we had moved to ktl
A then, So that was which were not magical, not magical,
which was the opposite of magical, most like television, the

(47:29):
magical part of buildings. Yeah, the magic was not gettingpatitis.
The spaghetti factory was across the street though, next to
a strip club. Yes, not quite it. You couldn't get
less Disney than at that point was still there. The
magic hood was still there. It was just the magic

(47:52):
put in the paper box. And so between obviously season
two when you are has spitalized, and then season three
when you come back you said you were still getting
adjusted to your medication. Your life is obviously now so
completely different. Once once you kind of felt settled on

(48:12):
your medication, what were you doing then did you go
back to auditioning? What did you end up doing? After
Boy Meets World, I moved back to New York for
a good while and I got a lot more balanced,
thanks thanks to my mom helping me. And then I
moved to Sedona, Arizona, where it all happened. And I

(48:36):
wanted to be a healer, like I wanted to learn
how to kill people like sham and you know, fire tender,
like all these cool things like sweat lodges. And I
got back and I went to UH Massas Therapy School
and I graduated from there and UH and I was

(48:56):
working with the Hopie Indians up on the reservation. I
was volunteering my time because you have to do clinic
when you're do the massage. So I volunteered my time
up on the reservation and worked on these old, like
elderly people, and they love me so much. They were like,
We're gonna show you how to dry farm and blue

(49:17):
corn and all these Hopie dances and cheap dances, and
I was just I was taken away from all that
sadness inside and worked through another medium to uh get
adopted by the Hopies, you know, really really cool. You know,
I'd love to take you guys someday on a trip

(49:38):
or something, if you ever want to do an experience,
to take you to Sedona up to the Hopie Land,
you know, man, that'd be amazing and massage therapy school.
The graduation rate of actually being able to pass the
test is minuscule. It's so different. It's one of the
most difficult tests to pass. It's something like in the

(50:00):
thirty five percentile actually passed because you're doing entire physiological
study in like seven months. Gnesiology origin insertion of everybody.
It's like being a doctor basically, first it is which
which was? You know, educationally, I was like a little whoa.

(50:21):
It's it's apparently a very very difficult thing to learn
and to and to pass the test. And like you know,
New York you need like thirteen hundred and fifty hours,
but in Arizona only needs seven and fifty. So that
was helpful in a lot of ways. And then um, yeah,
I just I always thought I had healing hands and

(50:41):
I wanted to do something to get back, you know,
to the world. And that was one of the things
that I did after after losing the show, just to
bring things back on the night, you know, higher level
for me. Well, we were also happy to be reunited
with you on Girl Meets World when you came back

(51:02):
as Janitor Harley. What you did? Uh? Five episodes of
Girl Meets World with us? What was it like when
you got that phone call? And yeah, tell me about that.
I was. I was sitting here in this studio and
my buddy Ben wir Um we gotta We got the

(51:23):
call from Sally. So he's like, Danny, you know, like,
what are you doing? Have you been? And it was like,
how are you? I'm all right, I'm doing all right,
you know. And she's like, well, listen, we're gonna send you,
you know, how would you like to, you know, audition
for pardon Girl Meets World? And I was like, yeah,

(51:47):
that that would degree. She sent me the sides and
I put it on tape right here in the studio.
Next week, I was out there. I think it happened
on April Fools Day. What man and so? Had you
not acted since Boy Meets World? Um? I had done
a few things, but more like student films. Uh, you know,

(52:10):
I loved acting. I love telling a story and making
people feel good. You know, it's like the old school
storytellers of Ireland. That's how they used to do it.
You know. During the family they knocked on the door
and say, hey, have you heard the news about what's
going on over that? And that saying they're like, no,
I haven't heard the news. Well I'll tell you for
a place to sleep for the night. And then they

(52:32):
had this whole whimsical storytelling story that was like my grandfather,
that was my dad, you know, always storytellers. You know.
Have you been to Ireland? Oh yeah, it's amazing. I
think my family, my my mom's family is from Kerry,
which I think is close to where you are. Yeah, yeah,
not far at all. I'm up in the western North,

(52:52):
the Free Ireland as they say a post. Do you
have a favorite episode of a Meets World that you
that you think of all the time, or like any
favorite behind the scenes memories. Well, I think us Serena
was one of my one of my favorites because my
mom came to the taping. You guys were so nice.

(53:13):
You might not remember it, but you guys were so
nice to my mom and Betsy Randall was so nice
to my mom. She fed holiday dinner at her house. Really, yeah,
tell me about that. So, Betsy, so your mom was
in town for Thanksgiving. For Thanksgiving I believe it was,
And Betsy asked you what your plans were? Yeah, what

(53:35):
are you doing? You know? Like, my Mom's like, well,
you know, and she's like, yeah, come out, come out,
to come out to our house for Thanksgiving, you know.
So that's just so nice. And I went out. My
mom had such a nice time, and it's such a
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wherever you listen to podcasts. So, Danny, you mentioned that

(54:50):
your mom came out to visit for the Serano episode,
and then you know, she was obviously a huge fan
of you and loved watching you on TV and loved
Boy Meets World. And then we got to see her
again as adults. We at her at a convention, and Um,
I wanted to talk about how you are doing now
because your mom unfortunately passed away in from COVID, right, yeah,

(55:11):
she was. We have We had at the time a governor,
um Andrew Cuomo. He during the height of the pandemic,
he decided to put sick elderly people back into nursing
homes and it was just ridiculous, like within a week

(55:32):
my mom had passed from that decision too. And ever
since it's been like this void for me because I
spent so much time, um taking care of my mom
uh in her later years when she was less mobile.
Now I'm just looking for something to fill that void,

(55:54):
which I feel like, like will you said with the
things that helped you with your mental health, we're we're exercise,
and there's there's three things you said and then you know,
to be to be social, to talk about it hugely
important and this is helping me a lot, guys by
talking about it to like just now, you know, because

(56:15):
I know there's somebody out there you need to help.
And then how could you not be in today's world
with Turkey and earthquakes and all this stuff. You guys
are like a rayal light, honestly a rayal lighte for
for not just your point meets world, but you know,
like your your your symmetry, the way you guys work together,
your energy, it's it's it's contagious and it's it's it's

(56:39):
it's kind of cold. I like the whole world to
catch because you guys have a wonderful way of helping
people don't realize at all, but I'm sure there's somebody
out there right now that could be, you know, on
the verge of something, and by hearing our stories and
by being honest, you know that we can help them. Danny,

(57:03):
You're you're so quick to turn attention and energy back
on other people. You're so quick to say yeah, but
you guys, and you guys are a ray of light.
But I really want you to take this in that,
you know, you being such a young child when you
lost your father and then stepping up your mom shortly

(57:23):
after that being diagnosed with bipolar disorder at the time
they called manic depression, and you knowing you needed to
step up and and live on your own and and
start your start working, and then you becoming this iconic
character that people absolutely love and adore and still to
this day. I mean, that's what iconic is. Still to

(57:43):
this day people talk about Danny McNulty as Harley Kiner,
and then you going through your own mental health issues,
moving back to New York, and then eventually becoming a
full time caretaker for your mother, who then you lost
to COVID. Hearing you talk about now needing to figure
out what this next stage of your life looks like

(58:04):
and what you are going to do as far as
taking care of yourself is really beautiful because there are
so many people who can relate to you, and you
you can have. You have so much to teach other people.
And I just want to celebrate you as being a
phenomenal son MH and just a truly wonderful human being.

(58:33):
I really really appreciate that. It means a lot because
you guys are like family to me. Honestly, I missed
you so much. We miss you too. I'd also like
to throw out that in the middle of all that,
you then took the time to work with elderly people,
right exactly. I skipped over that sticks six sticks, skipped
over working with the Native American elderly population in the

(58:55):
middle there. I mean, yeah, Danny that I don't know
about that the psychic you met, but you said one
thing that was absolutely true, which is you are a
light in the world, my friend. Yes, I hope you
know that. Thank you, guys, I really appreciate that. It
means a lot to me. Big sign. Well, looking back,
even with all the hard times that you faced and

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all of all of that, what are what is your
overall feeling when you look back at Boy Meets World. Oh,
it's a dream come true. Everything that I worked for,
auditions and you know, anything that I did as a kid,
always dreamed of being on a TV show, you know,
and uh, it was something that it will always live

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in in my heart, you know, like just just knowing
that I had done it. And yes, the bipolar happened,
but there were some pretty good times, some pretty good episodes,
like um, you know that that that that we did
together so many Yeah. Also, I mean I I say
this all the time about Topanga. We can all say

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this about all of our characters. Were very blessed to
be able to say this. But actors literally work their
entire lives to be a memorable character even once. How
many people, how many actors do you know who have
done hundreds of things, and yet you're like, oh, I
can't really I know your face? I don't, but I

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can't really you know, like and that's great, Yeah, I
know I know you from somewhere, and that's amazing. I mean,
that's that's still an incredible career. That's there. I'm not
dogging that. I'm just saying that, like you, in your
one major acting role that you did left a legacy
and an impact on innumerable people. And that's like people

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spend their whole lives trying to have a career, trying
to find a character like that, and you did it.
I mean that really means a lot. Yeah. Yeah, we
couldn't love you anymore, Danny. I we us you are
like family to us. We always loved you. And you know,
what's another thing we talked about when we think back

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to that time, like there wasn't self. There weren't even
cell phones. It's not like now when something happens and
then you can just text somebody and be like, hey,
are you okay? You know, tough tough show, tough night,
tough day, tough day, will read are you okay? We
just didn't have it now. Always it unless exactly and

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then you unless there was a page code specifically for
you didn't know how to do it. Yeah. Well, thank
you for coming on here and telling us in your
own words your story finally like solving a bit of
a mystery for us. And um, you know we love you,

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we will we would love to have you back. Um.
I've already put the word out as far as some
conventions that we would love to have you join us. Um.
Not that I have you saying that, but I have
started saying to people, hey, have you thought about this?
This would be a good edition, just just throwing it
out there. Um. And so let's make three the year

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we have another you know, an in person reunion and
uh you know anniversary. And I would love to be
witness to you receiving the love that you so deserve
from our dear listeners and dear fans who rightfully love you. Yep,

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fansy years, my friend. There's millions of them out there. Uh.
And I love each one of them, man, honestly, when
they come up to me and it's like, I love
I love it. It's just it's such a nice feeling,
you know, because it brings me back to everything before
everything happened, you know, like that's let's see, they don't
know anything else, you know. Yeah, yeah, i'd really love that. Guys.

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Great Danny, we love you, thank you for being here,
all righty oh man, it's so it's so funny that

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the gentlest human being in the world played the biggest bully,
right right? And and is that is that built into
the character, Like there's something so great. I think that's
part of the reason why it works so well as
a character, is that you cast somebody like Danny who,
for whatever reason, you're like, but that guy, he shouldn't
be a bully, right If you're like, no, he's he's

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he's he's got going through something that's more, that's more,
that's deeper, that's that comes from a place actually honestly
of a pain, you know, Like I think Harley radiates
a sensitivity and a pain that I think was true
to Danny too, Like this struggle that he was you
know that he had gone through, and all these things
that comes through in his acting so clearly, and that sensitivity,

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it's beautiful, it's beful and and immediately you're You're like,
am I I should be scared of him? But I
also kind of want to know more about him? Right? Yeah?
What what an amazing feat for an actor and for
the writers, it's just great. Yeah, you're right. I mean,
had he just been um a bully? You just write
that guy off? Don't like that guy, don't need to

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know more about him. He's just a jerk. And yet
that isn't the way you feel about Harley. You want
to know more. And yeah, his sensitivity really does shine through.
And um, I mean truly nobody is better to their
fans than Danny. If you check out his social media,
he really does. When he says he loves each and
every fan, he means it. I mean, I really do.

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I don't think there's a single soul on the planet
Danny doesn't find love for he's he's so grateful. Yeah,
you know he's also taking you know, most of his
life just taking care of other people. Yeah, right, that's
what he's done. He's one of those people. So yeah, amazing.
And and for everybody out there listening, if you're struggling
with your own mental health journeys, ask for help. It's

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okay to ask for help. It's you should ask for help.
There's no weakness in it, there's no stigma behind it.
It's okay to say I'm struggling here and I need
some help. I did it, Danny did it. Other people
do it all the time. It's nothing will help you
on your path more than just raising your hand and
saying I'm struggling here and I need some help. So

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please do that if you have to. There's plenty of
places out there you can find to do that. Um
telling you even just friends, it really changes the whole ballgame.
It does. And to Will's point, if you or someone
you know needs help, there is the Mental Health Hotline
and the number is eight six six nine zero three
three seven eight seven. As always, you can follow us

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