December 5, 2022 • 55 mins
Finally! Jason Marsden is on Pod Meets World! He played ‘Jason Marsden” on BMW (talk about typecasting); until he mysteriously didn’t anymore. However, offscreen Jason and Will remained besties and this episode is all the proof you need! Stories, insider details, Hollywood hijinx and, most importantly, they talk about A Goofy Movie. He’s here and you should be too.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Uh, can we talk about the shocking revelation when we
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got together that Danielle Fishel is interested in camping. I
was telling me about this. This is not something I
ever would have expected from you, and I am so happy. Yeah. Well,
so many things have happened since I've becoming old, and
one of them is that, uh, well, for one thing,
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I no longer like to be in the sun, like
the sun. First of all, I've always hated the sun.
I did not always take the sun. I was a
tropical child. We we went to Hawaii every summer as
a family. When I was a kid, the beach to
me was always a very calming place and I used
to love to just lay there with a book and
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lay out in the sun. And then so and I
know people don't it's it's either you or it's not you.
It was Sony Will. You're a tropical person, right, no?
Oh no. Also, when you struggle with your weight most
of your life, the beach is not a safe, happy place.
It's a place where everybody is comfortable to take off
their shirt and your people are going, why are you
wearing long sleeves? Yeah? Nor flashbacks? S Yeah, I mean
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I was I can't say I was ever really comfortable
in a bathing suit, but I did really like the beach,
which doesn't make much sense, but so I did. I
just always love that. And so to me, any time
I would think of a vacation or wanting to get away,
or needing to disconnect or you know, feeling burnt out
needs some time, I would think tropical location. And then
as I've gotten older and I've wanted to stay away
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from the sun, skin cancer runs in my family. Uh,
you know, it's just not something I'm interested in doing.
I have become obsessed with the idea of connecting with
nature and like feeling grounded to Mother Earth and seeing
stars and trees and going on hikes and like I
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want to buy hiking boots and I want to buy
a tent, and I want to figure out, like how
do you do that? And you know, it's a it's
a little bit of I'm so excited about it. I
really want to do it. I'm a little nervous because,
as you know, I'm also very controlling about like my
kids schedule, and so my kids are very used to
sleeping in their own bed with perfectly dark and white noise,
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and I think, so what you just sleep next to
your child and there's like natural light about in the world,
and where do you put the sound machine on? Does
the sound machine borrow that, you know, bother the people
sleeping next to you in their tents. So I'm a
little nervous about how it all works, but I also
think maybe it's good for me to just kind of
let it all go. And you do realize that the
white noise that you're simulating in the room is action
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in the world by nature when you're outside. I don't
think it is out the world it is. It's just
just you're not You don't have to block out other sounds, right, Like,
we don't realize how much extra noise there is just
by living in a city or even a town. You know,
Like when I watched my parents property, it is insane.
It's always like shocking how quiet it is. Remember my
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parents used to come visit me and be like so
many helicopters. I'm like, really, because I won't even notice
it anymore, you know, sirens going off all the time.
My parents used to just freak out. I remember finally
realizing like, right, no, I'm just like blocking it out
constantly by living in a city. But what I would say, Daniel,
is that like that that that attitude about like being
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prepared and like obsessing over like do we have the
right gear, And that's actually really good for camping because
that you know, camping is all about that. So you
actually have to put your energy into how how being
prepared and so it's it's it's it's it's a relaxing
activity in that you have to focus on a lot
of different things to be prepared. Does that make sense,
So like you actually get to put all this energy
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towards something and then when you realize like, oh, we
have our tents set up, we have our betting, we
have all our stuff, then we're just now we're just
in wilderness and there's nothing else to worry about. And
you reached this place of like absolute calm, especially when
you like go backpacking, because there's nothing else to do
and you've hiked everything in that you need and you
have to be prepared. You have to know like how
much of this is gonna weigh? How much food do
we have for how many days? But it ends up
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being like extremely calming when you realize like, oh, there's
nothing to worry about there's nothing else to do except
sit here or enjoy this lake or whatever. And what's
incredible as kids response so positively, Like we took a
group of kids camping like a year two ago, and
a lot of them had never been camping before, and
everybody was super stressed out and we got onto the
wilderness and I remember my son and one of his
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friends and they were like, we're bored like five minutes
and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna kill somebody,
and they're like, we're so bored. Five minutes after that,
they were enthralled with rocks and sticks and it was
just like rocks and sticks for the rest of the weekend,
and that's all they cared about. And you just realized, like,
right at a certain point, your brain kicks, and kids
brains especially kick to this different gear where it's like,
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let's make up our own game here with this stick
and this rock, and it just is thoroughly entertaining. And originally, yeah, no,
I grew up camping, So I grew up. Every weekend,
my friends and I would go camping, and we we
did it really cool because we all had dirt bikes,
we all had motorcycles and so we would we would
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wrap up tents and food and put them strapped into
the backs of our bikes and ride into the woods.
And we we built a dirt track in the middle
of the woods, so we'd be doing jumps and all
this stuff all day, right in the track all day.
And then you'd set up the tent and we'd hang
out that night, and you know, you'd strap it back
to your motorcycle and you'd drive home. It was that
seems really dangerous with a glass eye. Okay, it's not
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a class. I were one class on techn Yeah, you're
a glass I discussed about I want the want the pirate. No,
it's uh. And then the older I got, the less
I wanted to be outside. And then now I've done
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something which I never thought I would do, which is
I kind of want to be in the city, which
I'm not a city person at all, and it's it's
every time soon and I go to London, we look
around and go, Okay, I could live here easily. On extremes, man,
I want a hyper urban environment or complete isolated wilderness.
What I can't stand is the in between, which hybrid America,
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anything that's in between, just what drives me crazy, Like
when I'm driving into town and there's strip balls and
like why like density, make it densify, densify this like
buildings that go up and you know, but the idea
of like sprawl, like stretching out taking up space with
buildings like Los Angeles of Los Angeles, well, you know
the real problem with Los Angeles. I have come to
love l A. I you know, we've talked a little
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bit probably on the show about how much I used
to hate it growing up and being on the show,
and it was always like being anti l A. I'm
from northern California. That used to be like it's just
the way you were raised. Um, And I think that
was ridiculous. Like I love l A for its culture.
I love LA for its diversity and like just the
sheer amount of people and things to do like all
of that. The problem is the sprawl. It's so spread
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out and the lack of trees. Um. I realized that,
like I need trees in southern California just doesn't have trees.
It's such a neighborhood. It's a ton of trees. Danielle.
And then maybe you're one of the few man like
even when you go on a hike in Los Angeles,
it's like it's um like brush, you know, it's it's low,
it's not trees, it's not like big tall oaks or
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you know, and and it's just a bummer. Like we've
just deforceded. And I mean l A wasn't really a
forested area to begin with as far as I understand,
but like we've deforested so much of southern California. It's
it's really hard for me. Like so when I thought,
like when we talk about getting out in nature, you
kind of have to drive like two hours outside of
l A, like you know, other level of nature, Like
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what your look because Danielle, our neighborhood, right at the
end of my street not just trees, but right at
the end of my street it goes into just dirt tracks.
Like there's there's great hiking all up around us up
and it's desert if you like, which a lot of
l A people I know love the desert. So they
escaped like Joshua Tree and it's just that's like their
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happy place, you know, friends live in Palm Spring because
it's so powerful for them. For me, that's like like
that's fine. I like it at night, like stars obviously,
but I need trees, I need mountains, I need streams
like Harry and Mountain. I find it disturbing. Yeah, it's
just too it's too dry. It's there's no trees, there's
not enough there. Should we do want a pod meets
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World camping excursion? Yes, absolutely we should. I think we did.
I like that idea. I want to go because I
want to camp again. I just said that to write.
He was telling me about a trip he tipped by himself,
and I was like, I want to I want in
on one of those. Well, first of all, just plan
on coming up for the July at my parents house.
We do like big camp out every year my parents property,
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and all these families come and kids have so much
fun and we just hang out for three or four
days and everybody it's it's basically a music festival without
any music, but it's become like it's such a wonderful bonding,
you know, community experience. Adler will come as a beat
bud great two three. Oh that was like a great band.
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By the way, are we going on the road with
this band that we started? Yeah, you guys were really great.
Writer on the drums. Adler wouldn't sing for you, but
he's really great as a singer. And then Will jumped
in on guitar. It was Yeah, we had wheels on
the bus. Was like, it might have been one of
the best versions I think since the Beatles did it
in what sixt four. We made up spooky wheels on
the bus this morning we did like a spooky version
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see Halloween Themes where there were ghosts and were wolves
on the bus and they all said different things. So anyway,
welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm Rider Strong,
and I'm Wilfredell. Our guest today is somebody you guys
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have been asking for for a really long time. Uh.
We should have had him on when we did Model Family.
That was such a special episode for for Will. But
it was also Jason Marsden's very first episode. It's just
justin Justin Marsdale. Sorry calling him Jason Marston all these years.
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Character name is Jason Marsden. Oh I think Jason Marson
was playing Jason Marsden. That's what it was. Yeah, Okay,
so Jason Marsden played Jason Marsden on Boy Meats World
for nine episodes. His first appearance, as I mentioned, was
in Model Family, which was season one episode fifteen, and
his last appearance was season two episode twenty three, the
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episode called home Wow. Nine episodes just between season one
and season two, and then I can't wait to talk
to him. Let's welcome everybody justin Marsdale. Hell my god,
Oh stop it. Look at you? How are you? Let's
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make him feel real special? Okay, great, all your faces.
You look like you're like inside. The actor's gonna say,
he's got like a studio and he's gotta it's it's
like I'm back stating the Muppet Show. It's unbelievable. It
looks great. It really does. It actually goes along very
well with my first question for you, which is we
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all feel like you were maybe born a forty year
old who was just ready for television. Is that true?
Why are we just going into it? Oh yes, we've
already been interviewing you for twenty minutes. Welcome to the show.
So I was born forty years old? Is that what
you said? You were a seasoned actor is what we're
trying to say. Yeah, you were just like like in
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your first appearance on Boy Meats World, and model family.
It was such a stark contrast for you compared to
the rest of us. I will speak for all of
us when I say that us, because we were flailing.
We were totally fumbling our way through it until we
finally felt felt comfortable in our skin. And then you appeared,
and you were like quippy and catchy and comfortable in
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your skin and took ownership of the stage and knew
everything you were doing and found laughs in places that
weren't even written to be laughs. Were you just always
that way? Were you born to do this? You're too kind?
I was so nervous. I mean, if you remember they
brought me in like on show night. That made it
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even more amazing, though, is that you did that on
the day And I was I was nervous and excited
because I you know, I had already had a friendship
with with Fredell already, and so get to work with
you was was a kick. And then and I want
to like, you know, Fredell. I mean, let's be honest,
you were lucky to be there. The real stars, you know,
Ben and Writer and Danielle. I had to try to
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impress them, and you guys were kids, your kids for
kind of wasn't even in the episode, Thank you, but
I wasn't even there. I remember trying to impress. I
was talking with like writer and Ben and you guys
are just laughing at every stupid thing I said. I
was like, all right, because you impressed the hell out
of us. Of course you were. I looked up for
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you so much because you were such a pro, Like
you were so comfortable, you knew exactly what you were doing,
you were so funny, and I just remember being like, Oh,
that's that's what being an actor's act. I mean, it
was like for me, it was still just showing up
and like, you know, figuring it out as we went,
and like getting notes and being I just had no
idea what I was doing. And I remember I feel
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like I had already met you before then, right, I
must have met you, like around town or something, or
maybe you just your reputation proceeded you by the time
you showed up on set. I remember just being in
awe of you and being takes and you would go
run around. No you know what it was. I always
equate sitcom, especially to music. It's a very specific song
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and we hadn't learned the beat yet and you are.
You came in and were like, oh, I've been singing
this song for fifteen years. So it was that kind
of thing. Let's go, let's take it back even farther though.
How did you start in the entertainment industry? And why
were you ten years old? Because I know you were
ten years old when as the age that all of
us started. How old were you when you started? I
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was I was eleven? Okay, what was? How did what
got you into the industry? My parents, you know, we
moved to California and uh, someone had suggested to my
mother that, oh, you know, your son's cute, get him,
get him into acting. And my mom went to ching.
What a great idea. But they found a workshop and
Irvine that I believe still functioning to this day. There.
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I think they've shifted to more online stuff called del
Mar Media Arts and Hello Bud and Bunny Barth and
the Barth family. Uh, they saw something in me. They
trained me for twelve weeks. It was all ages. It
was like Thursday nights, seven thirty to ten thirty and uh,
kids adults, and we did they did everything. They'd tell
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you how to slate for for commercials. They tell you
how to read copy for film. They did voiceover stuff. Anyway,
they send me to an agent. The agent signed me
that day and then like then immediately started send me
out on movies, TV commercials, voiceovers, Uh and uh, And
I was very fortunate. What was your first worked? All
the time, I remember working constant, Like I remember like
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turning on the TV at the Oakwood and it was
like every channel you changed it be Jason Marston. What
was it? What was the first thing you got? What
was the first first was a McDonald's commercial? Did you
all do time doing McDonald's commercials? Does anyone else? We
all started doing commercials. Mine was for Mick pumpkin happy Meals,
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and I still have them in my kitchen. If I
pull back this curtain, you'll they'll just be my kitchen. Um. Surprise,
we've got four pumpkin pails. Yes, four pumpkin pails. Yeah,
we had them for dinner. Do you have that commercial still?
It's on it's on the tube of you you can
see it. And I played three characters. I played a
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gold prospector and a bunny and uh and something else,
I forget a vampire and uh, and I kept the
pails And now and like that was like the real
industrial like bad for you plastic is that plastic is
not degraded at all. Now the ones you leave bad
for plastics crack, they'll crumble the fetty. So when when
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was was was robot? Was robot chocks, Robot jocks, robot
jocks rocks and then robot crashing bird? And where did
you shoot that? Italy Rome? Italy? Yeah, I was gonna
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say twelve. Never been to Italy before? Is me and
my mother? And uh and like there's so lame in retrospect,
but like I love Italian food. I grew up in
Rhode Island. I'm surrounded by the mafia. I mean, like
every you know Italian Italian food is the thing. And
I could not stand the food in Italy. It was
just it was authentic and different. Remember getting pizza and
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so we walked on trying to find a McDonald's. So
I'm ashamed of myself for that. But yeah, it was
Stewart Gordon film Stewart Gordon who did a reanimator and
actually created uh honey, shrunk the Kids, many many other things.
Yeah wow, yeah, yeah you were an actor. How did
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you get the call? Then? The night that that they
called you in to be Jason Marsden on boy Meats World?
How did how did how did that come about? Why
were you called in the night of the show. Well,
I was working on the Tom Show, The Tom Arnold Show,
and it was the it was just it was just
worked out. It was it was the last episode of
that season forever. And uh, for some reason, we got
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like we rehearsed, we we did table reads on Friday, rehearsed,
and then did our audience to night on Thursday. You
guys did Monday through Friday. We did the same schedule
at the beginning always because Michael Michael was a devout
you so we couldn't work after sunset on Friday. Um, well,
however it worked, it was it was like I couldn't
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work with you guys that we were shooting the same week.
Maybe you on Tom did you shoot out everything you
needed to shoot out on Wednesday and so Thursday you
were free. I can't remember. All I know was the
last day of shooting for us. They didn't make any
special arrangements for me. Um and and I was I
remember being asked to do boy Meats World and I
couldn't uh and and We just left it at that
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and then like I remember the night that we were
shooting for tom um my agent said, they really want
you for Boy Meets World. Can you do You think
you can go in on show night and do it?
And I was like, yeah, I'll come in early. And
I did. I showed up before y'all did. I. I
was David Trey was the director. I believe I knew
all my lines and I did the blocking and uh
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and uh, and I nailed it. You did. That was
the thing that was amazing to me because I had
worked with this other actor all week long. I want
to say his name was Paige. I could be wrong,
and he was a very nice guy, very nice guy.
He just played it completely differently. He played it very
straight man and almost angry. And I remember you coming
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in and us rehearsing, and me the whole time going like,
oh that was a joke. Oh that was a joke.
Oh there was a was like, oh he's it's funny.
Oh this whole thing is funny. And we've talked on
this show before about how when you work with a
better actor than you, it makes you better. And that's
one of my performances that I look back at early, early,
early and go like that didn't suck as much as
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my normal episodes. And it's because I was next to
you and I was like, oh, this is how you
do it. We didn't we none of us knew how
to do this yet. So watching you where you were
like jaded by this point, you were what night seventeen
eighteen and you were like, I've been kid, I've been
doing this for nineteen years ago. Um, so it was yeah,
and I just remember you my cigarette smoke exactly and
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we had a ton of fun room and uh, because
we had met years before when you I've told the
story on the on the podcast before where you made
fun of me because um, I was so excited to
meet Perry King from Rip Tide and You're like, rip
he ripped, rushed off the boat from Connecticut, seen a chair,
all excited and I'm like to learn my lines, dude,
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stop stop, just drave me with your authenticity, and you're
all whatever, and you got that. That was that was
almost home with Leon Norris. Yes, we had Lee and
that was another Michael j show and Brittany Murphy got
wrestler and and that was how you and I met
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and Shylo was there too, right, Yeah, it was between
me and you and Shiloh and uh and and they
gave the part to me for some reason. Gee, I
wonder why. It's because you were clearly the best. Yeah,
I was local. They didn't have to put you up.
They have to put me up, right, it was local.
You used to have to give a relocation fee if
you moved from New York or whatever. That wait, they did, man.
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And then I told the story about the prick who
sold my job when I met you that night with
my with my dad coming down from City Walk, which
you well everybody should know you are were and are
still a an amusement park kind of aficionado. I mean
it was, you know, I mean I like him. I
like him a whole bunch. Yes, yeah, Universal Disney, Nottsbury Farm,
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every every Halloween. You were you were the man to
go with. Um. You used to be a member of
Club thirty three, right, correct? So cool? That was so
cool when you told me that I've never been either.
It was so so. Why do you think I was
so much better than you? At the Boy Meets World audition?
For why I got the part? And they sent your
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ass pack and I'm just curious. Well, because you're amazing. Man,
you're so funny. And I say again, because Will is
so funny and and and I think you did bring
that authenticity and that awe to to this this character.
And I can't remember what I did. Uh. I remember
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Ben because we all read with Ben it messed up
his line and and uh and he thought it was
his fault. Yeah, he felt bad. He felt so bad.
I'm like, man, it was yeah, I could you can
you know when you go to network you can feel it,
you know? And I felt it like they clearly they
liked me. But I think that's someone else in mind.
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And it turned out it was it was you. And
you're I mean, the proof is in the pudding. Like
you you you you kill it, you kill it. You're
so funny. Well, it's very sweet are working on on TV,
because that's what I want to know. The giant anxiety
monster came up and bit me. It is what it
is in a green screen in your room. And you
don't have to work with anybody else that I do
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that all the time. We just don't film it too.
Is so sick of watching this show. You have no
idea he's doing a very week every part. It's so great. Um.
Now here's the other thing that I want to I'm sorry,
I'm taking over this interview because i've met Justin before. UM,
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here's one of the things I want to. I want
to ask you. Um, you came off as an All
of us thought that you were in way more episodes
than you actually were. Not me, I thought you were
only in like three. But that's because that's because I
wasn't there for some of your episodes. If you had
asked me before we started this pot, I would have
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thought that Jason was up until season four or five
two and had done like thirty episodes. Well, because I
was always there. I was visiting. Yeah, there's maybe annoyingly so,
but I would ever. I think I was doing step
at the time, and after like I would finish and
I just go over and and hang out. Now do
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you do one of the things people are asking? And
I don't even know the answer to this. Do you
know why the character just went away? I have no idea.
I have. I think maybe maybe maybe my agent asked
for more money, maybe someone because I remember new producers coming,
and maybe someone just didn't like me. I remember, Um,
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I was told at one point like I was just
too busy, which might have been true, but I remember
a stretcher. I'm like, no, I'm available, and I talked.
I remember talking to Michael Jacobs and he went, you know,
he's got his pens like to put you in a
number episodes and uh and and he didn't. So what
it really hurt the most was the final episode where
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they brought back everybody and did little cameos and except
for me, And how do I know because I was
there watching, Like, well, I guess, I mean it would
have been nice, but it's fine. Right. Was that our
graduation from high school episode when we brought back Lee?
And that's right? And then we only mentioned Tony. You
didn't actually see him, Remember they go, you got the
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That was the joke was we can't go down that hallway.
You never come back, hey, Mr Turner, And you never
actually saw him. So Lee was the only one who
came back. Okay, so you didn't because we never got
an explanation either. But by this time you were already
on step by step. Right when did you start doing that,
like at the same time as boy or yeah, okay,
um um, I remember I booked White Squall when I
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was doing because I was on sept I told you yes,
And I didn't do Step by Step until after that,
and Full House was before boy, I I can't remember.
I think it was after as well. Okay, I think
the answer seems to be that maybe you were just
too busy. But like the times when they would have
been able to have you on, you were already working
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on something. You were working so consistently and for good
reason that it just must not have worked out, because
I mean, obviously it's not show talent, it's show business.
And uh and then that's what it was. I mean
I was I was I was available, I was there. Yeah,
it was that craft service with us talking. I just
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remember you coming back from White Squall after having shot
that film and an amazing film with Jeff Bridges. If
anybody hasn't seen White Squall, it's absolutely a wonderful movie.
I remember you coming back shredded, but you just were
just ripped. Yes, I've worked out because Ridley Scott directed
this movie. It is wonderful. Uh about like they called it,
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like Dead Poets Society on a boat. It was to
go to school on a sailing ship. And we actually
worked in a sailing ship and I was the first mate.
And I just remember le Scott asking me. He's like, so,
you know you he works on the shiep all the time,
and you're supposed to look like a like a box,
you know, can you make You're gonna work out? I'm like, yes,
I'll do that. So I had to be work out
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to be in the shape of a box, is what
he was so interesting? Yea, whose idea was it? To
keep your name the same for the character? The character
was written for me, that's and then a few episodes
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later I forget which writer came up to me and said,
you know, because obviously Mr Feeney, the great Bill Daniels
that refers to everyone by the last name, and he says,
he has to call you by your last name. Do
you mind if we use your own? I think it
would be funny, he said, I think it'd be funny
as well. Right, So okay, now I know this is
a different podcast, and yes, I'm gonna plug my other
podcast out here Voices, And we talked about this a
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little there, but you are a huge voice over actor
as well. Did that start pre boy you you you
started when you were young doing voices as well. Correct, Yes,
I did. Uh. First cartoon I did was Disney's Adventures
of the Gummy Bears Old school Commy Bears Bouncing here
and there and every Bears. No, did you do Care
(28:21):
Bears too? Or were you just gummy no Care? Just
coming awesome? And then you went from there too. I
mean this was years later. Obviously you did a ton
of stuff in between, but I mean, Max for Goofy movie,
Goofy is got to be one of your most recognizable
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voice over roles, wouldn't you say? It's up there? Yeah,
and it's all Disney. How I guess that's the question
is how much Disney did you work for? Were you?
Because you were literally the voice of Disney for years? Well, yeah,
I did a tune Disney. Coming up next, It's Boy's World,
followed by Jake American Dragon Jake long only on Tune Disney.
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You know, I hated that job so hard, which because
and it's horrible, because like anybody on the planet would
love that that that gig, but it was it was
so they kept because I'm good at talking fast, they
kept adding more and more words to it. I was
sort of like on call Um like at the drop
(29:24):
of the had like, no, you can't go on vacation.
We need you to come in and do the spot
for UM for the Mickey Mouse Club. And I didn't
like that because it wasn't it wasn't a contract. I
wasn't a Disney employee. It was like a note. I'm like,
somebody's not balancing here. And you can only like be
faux enthusiastic about something for so long. But it's want
(29:46):
to bow your brains out, So I got I just
got completely burned out by it. Oh my. Next, it's
so weird because I want to sit here and talk
to Jason about more stuff, but I know him so
well that it's called Well, it's not that I know
the answers, it's that it's like I feel like I'm
interviewing my best friend because that's what I'm doing. So
(30:07):
it's just learned that Will has a glass eye. What
is something else we don't know about? Will? Give us
give us a secret about Will? Here we go, Oh
my gosh. Um see, I guess you can cut out
anything that you don't want, right, that's right? Here we go?
Oh god, oh god, I think sexual or weird? Please?
(30:32):
Oh that I got nothing. Will uh will oh. There's
so many things people will almost almost just like move
to Amsterdam. It didn't come back one time. We didn't
know that. Let our audience doesn't know. Our audience doesn't
know it. So tell the story for our audience. Well,
(30:53):
will it. We've gone together beforehand. I think you went
even again before before I met you. Had you was
the first time we went with with Shiloh, And no,
that was the first time. Yeah, you had gone a
couple of times. Well I thought you had gone a
couple of times by yourself or no, no, no, the
first time and the first time I've ever been. Yeah,
(31:16):
it was such a good trip, and um, then I
think we'll went back again. Uh. It was with me
between seasons, and I would check in on them every
so often. We didn't have pages or nothing. We'd you'd
go to the like a pay phone, you call me
and check in and you were like, I don't know, man,
I don't know if I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna
stay here. I'm like, okay, So I got a plane
(31:38):
ticket flew out to to talk some sense and to you.
He was staying in a in like this guy's house
before an existing. I have found this apartment. Yeah, the apartment. Yeah,
and I've gotten there like stupid early in the morning,
like and you had told me, like you know, he
(31:59):
sleeps in and trying to disturb everyone until like afternoon
or something. And so I waited as long as I could.
I think it was cold or something, and I like
knocked on the door and this poor older gentleman and
like a shirt and his and his white tidyes opened
the door and is like, oh that must be Hans. Sorry,
this like three level house. Go upstairs and Will is
(32:22):
staying in a room the size of this chair. Okay,
and what are you looking there? I can't I'm messing up,
like the square of this chair, like he's our one
corner TVs in on the corner a giant, giant bull
of cigarette butts bhill. But he had a he had
(32:45):
a I know this is I'm sorry I'm describing things.
It's it's not basics. The door was a was a
mattress that Will had procured for me so I could
sleep in there as well. But to show you to
illustrate how long he had been there. You know where
I'm going with this. I know exactly where you're going
with vot Up Up. So every night he would go
(33:11):
to he would go to sleep. You'd have some cigarettes
whatever on this little tiny television and he'd smoke and
he'd watch whatever. And then this would come on from
Motor Up and it was in Dutch and went on
there and he's he looks at me, He's like, watch this,
and he starts reciting the intromercial word for word in Dutch.
(33:33):
Oh my god, and I'm losing my mind. I'm losing
my hilarious and said, but mostly hilarious. He would just
been watching this every day Street Blues. It would show
two episodes, the Hill Street Blues and then the Motor
Up commercial and it would always start Motor Up and
a ment car. And so I would just sit there
(33:54):
and this, this is a solid block of ice. How
is it still working? This row was has frozen solid.
I still remember the Motor Up commercial. That was a
fun trip. And burger king every night, burger king every night. Um.
That's when I was writing the Winnie the Pooh movie
for Disney. I wrote the screenplay for that. But no, Jason,
(34:16):
this is how good a friend Jason was. I called
him and I said I'm not coming home. Can you
tell them at Boyny's World that I'm not coming back?
Are you serious? Check? This is this is ninety nine,
summer of ninety six. Can you just tell them I'm
just gonna stay here and smoke weed and cigarettes and
eat Burger King and write scripts. And Jason's like uh huh.
(34:40):
And something like thirty hours later, there's a knock at
my door and he's like, okay, Well what I did
when we don't know Will is I did? I called
Michael and I was like, hey, look, Will wants to
stay in Amsterdam. But listen, I know it's a horrible loss,
but I could fill in if you want. I'm available anyway.
He hung up, and I was like, I guess I
better go, don't But he didn't know. Do you remember
(35:02):
what you said to me? Because you you you came
in and you're like, here's what's going to happen. We're
gonna stay here, we're gonna hang out for a week
and have some fun. And then you're getting on the
plane and you're flying home. And he dragged me back
from Amsterdam. Yeah, oh man, And I'd still be living there.
I was just there not long ago, and that is
now a hotel, that same and that apartment you found writer,
(35:24):
that's the same phone that you would go out to
every night. Um was the same one I called Jason from. Yeah,
so that's near It was next to it a hostel,
I want to say it was, and and right across
the street from the Reichs Museum. It was great a spot,
no wonder you want to stay. You and I have
done Amsterdam, Paris, London, London? Where else have We've been?
(35:47):
Kind of all around the world together, Disney World a
couple of times. Disney World a cool way with the
old school like Disney Way where you'd get to back
door the rides and do all that kind of stuff.
That was really cool. Um do you remember is is
the what's the one where all the clubs where everybody dances?
Is that still at Disney World? Paradise Island, Leasure Island
sadly gone? Oh man? We had some Now we are
(36:10):
recording this during spooky season and there is a fresh
revival of hocus Pocus. It is now bigger than it
has ever been. Did you would you have ever expected that?
What was filming that like? Um? Well, you know, I
don't know if you watched the movie, but I that
wasn't me in the beginning. That was the fabulous and
(36:31):
talented Seawan Murray. So I I didn't actually do any filming.
I came in after the fact and I and I
looped um the cat that he turns into, and then
for continuity, I got I looped Sean as well. So
it was it was about three days of work for me.
I mean I came in like motally done. But yeah,
I mean I just did. I've been doing these convention
(36:52):
appearances with Amory Cats and Vanessa Shaw and we just
have a blast. I haven't seen Omary in thirty years.
We did a show called Erie Indiana together and uh
and Vanessa I knew because we both knew Jonathan Brandis
really got about Erie Indiana. I love that people. People
are digging it. People are digging it so hard. I
never I mean like like you guys, I mean, you
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work on a show. I mean you had a good
long run. But there's a lots of shows that had
good long runs that aren't as celebrated as hard as
Boy Meets World. So that feeling that you guys have
right now is I mean, it's it's very similar for
a goofy movie and hocus focus. It's you don't expect it,
it's it's it's one of those wonderful things that that
we are gifted as in this unforgiving business that you know,
(37:37):
speaking of, which, what are you doing now? Because I
know that you've got the Mars Variety Show, which is
pretty awesome, and you are your life has become a
lot about music lately. Yeah, I thank you for mentioning that.
I have a show on YouTube called The Mars Variety Show,
which celebrates independent musicians and stand up comedians here in Nashville.
(37:59):
It's inspired by like the Dean Martin Show. I was
watching a lot of those old variety shows, Dean Martin Show, laughing,
Bert Sugarman's Midnight Special, and uh and I'm like, well, see,
I could be like a Dean Martin. I like to
be a host. I have uh you know, I'll feed
my ego. I can do that and then I can
share with the rest of the planet. These these artists
(38:19):
who who will perform for like six people on a
Wednesday night melt you know, pour their guts out, and
I'm like, you need to be seen by a bigger audience.
So that's what the show is designed for. We have
three seasons. I have a Halloween special and I'm very
proud of. Uh. It's silly and stupid and it's it's
thirty minutes and it's fantastic, called The mars scare Riety Show.
(38:42):
So I'm still working on that. I might I'm definitely
gonna do more seasons, probably next year, but still acting,
doing um uh cartoons and video games and even get
my on camera career off the ground. Did a couple
of things uh here and there, and I have a
movie that uh, very exciting thing that I'm not allowed
to talk about, but I've been. It is musical based
(39:04):
and I have to learn, uh to you know, to
learn some songs and sing and play guitar and all
that stuff. And I'm very excited for that. Well are
you on social media? Where can people follow you so
that when you're ready to talk about that very exciting
thing people can hear about it. Daniel Fisher will thank
you for asking. You can find Jason Marsden add Jason
Marsden on Instagram official, Jason Marsden on TikTok, or Jason
(39:26):
morriston official. I can't remember and I'm on the Twitter
as well, but I most of my focus is the
instant family. But TikTok is the thing. Yeah, tell me
about your TikTok. I want to know what are something?
Do you have like a real popular TikTok? They like,
what's your most popular TikTok? Yes, so I hear this
is a weird thing, but I love it. So I
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did this cartoon, the the sequel to The Lion King,
and my character, his name is Kovu, and he is
the chosen heir of the throne from scar because you
have to say chosen because you can't say incests on Disney.
That basically, you know, if you follow the like mating
habits of lions, that's pretty much what it was. Anyway,
shows an air and and he's the smoldering, like dark,
(40:10):
darker version of Simba. We call him hot topic Simba
at around the house should have gay j earrings and whatnot.
And uh and I get so much fan mail uh
for for that and and and mostly fine young gals
who come up and saying that, oh man, that that
that character, that voice. You know, curious steerings happened in
(40:32):
my youth. So I a TikTok showcasing that and it's
hit over a million, like in the twenty four hours
was oh my god. But then I post stuff about
like watch the Mars Variety show. Nobody cares, you know,
Goofy movie millions millions? Don't you care about what I want?
(40:54):
My artistic integrity? Don you make fun of Will in
the Goofy movie voice? Oh man in it? You know what?
You know what Goofy and Will have and come? You
know what? Max? I can't have a com and they're
both goofy? Will you like power Line? Hey? Will? Maybe
you want Stoppable should hang out well together. I'll gust
(41:18):
see power Line with you and Ron stoppabo that Uh yeah?
Am I? Or is he me? Oh? This is gonna
be interesting fantastic? Maybe you hook me up with that
that Kim, she's pretty nice. I already already lied to Roxanne,
so so tacking up with Kim and has have have
have Ron Stoppable and Max ever actually met before? I
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think this is an interesting Disney crossover. Yeah you remember
that one like after party at Club thirty three. That's right?
Oh yeah, he was there? Oh yeah that was I
was about to be there that night. I don't don't
start with me. Don't even start with me. H and
(42:03):
Disney has just suit us somehow. World is now over all,
right Jason. Before we finish, I do have is now
doing the voice of Max good exactly what he's doing
the voice of everybody. UM, just a quick question for you,
because we've touched on this in other episodes. Looking back
at your life because you are a true child actor.
(42:24):
We're a child actor that has grown up into an
adult actor. Do you look back at your career as
a child actor or something positive? Or do you look
back at your career as a child actor as something
not so great? Uh? Nothing but positivity. I mean, like
you know, there's always ups and downs. You're you're a
kid in a very adult industry, you know. And uh,
but I can't trade any experience that I ever had
(42:47):
because I worked on so many uh intellectual properties that
I loved, you know. Um, I've had amazing experiences getting
travel all of the world. UM, established friendships with fine
folks like you guys. I wouldn't trade it for the world.
That's awesome. I love hearing that. And finally, what's your
(43:09):
favorite project that you've ever worked on? Uh? It's like
picking your favorite child. It can't pick just one man.
It's like, uh, you know, each show, each project you're
working on, means something different based on the people you
work with, based on the experience. It's hard to pick
picktures one. I'm glad to hear that. What's your least
(43:34):
favorite project? And why did you hate the actors you
were working with? No, I'm kidding, you don't have to
answer that one. To look at his face, UM, I
did an episode of Will and Grayson. It was not
my favorite experience at all. I hear Will is nice
and Grace is nice. But and as a dick, you
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know you were you guys are I don't know if
you guys ever worked on any other sitcoms after? What
means really? But you had such a family, um dynamic
and the same thing on step by step and you're
allowed to try things. And then um, there were certain
shows I worked on afterwards where there was a shift
and people were not as welcoming and it's like you say,
what's on the page or you're out of here, like
(44:19):
you won't try anything. And I think it was caught
off guard by that. And I'm I don't know if
you could tell but I'm a little arrogant sometimes and
I absolutely love it. And uh, and that's and I'll
just say I was supposed to do two episodes. I
ended up doing just one. It was there's there's being
with Jason, especially when you're out. First of all, you
(44:39):
know that he's gonna be fearless no matter what's in
front of him, and you're always wondering, like am I
going to get into a fight? Like what's gonna happen
right now? So one of my favorites and jump into
a pool and that story? Can I tell this story, Jason? Please?
So I had done a film called I think it
(45:03):
was called Lady Killers at the time it became gold Diggers.
It was there was a way it was not good.
So we were at the Vegas Film Festival for Sina
Vegas and we were at a big party there the
night before the festival started, and it was all this
press and there's hundreds of people around a pool, and
of course I turned to Jason at one point and
(45:24):
I was like, I bet you you won't strip completely
butt naked and jump into the pool in front of everybody.
And he's like, no, I'm not gonna do that. And
I go, I, you know, I'll give you four hundred bucks,
and I turn away as like a joke, and by
the time I turned back, he essentially has his pants off,
and I'm like, no, dude, I'm kidding, don't we We're fine,
don't worry about And he's looking at me the whole time,
(45:45):
going like wait, what's what's the problem, and butt naked
packed house jumps in the water. Everybody then is staring
like looking at him. He gets out, we're laughing and
and security comes over grab us. We're then in the
He's like I'm going to have him arrested. Him like whoa, no, no, no,
we're good. We're good. We're friends with the owner of
(46:07):
the hotel, which we weren't. But I was like, I'm
here as a guest guest of the hotel owner, you
know what was his name again, and I'm a very
famous actor movie this guy. This guy's like you gotta
go look at him. Just go into the hotel room
and keep him there. And then the thing that amazed
me is you wouldn't even take the cash. I tried
(46:28):
to give you the four hundred bucks, and you're like,
now you already had the experience. I'll get I'll get
naked for free, just ask so funny. And then I
remember the director of the film coming up to me
and going, I can't believe you did that. I can't
believe you did that. I'm like, what, we were just
having funny goes. No, had I known you were going
to do that, we would have written the name of
(46:49):
the film on his ass. Oh my god, nothing. Greg
took it someone when you all took it. I was
me getting of getting out of the pool surrounded by security.
Were you there too? No? No, I just heard about it. Oh.
To Will's credit, like, yeah, they were. The security was
(47:10):
pissed because you know, penises are deadly uh minus anyway,
But but the security was escorting me out and and
very upset, and Will was like, I got you, ja don't.
He's following me behind, Like I don't. I'm with you
the whole way. And then do you remember the big
head of security came up and he was cracking up.
He's like, man, what are you doing? What are you thinking?
(47:31):
What are you thinking? And they were gonna kick me
out of the hotel, but because we were staying at
the hotel, they couldn't, so I'm like, I'll just go
to my room. I won't come back down. Oh, it
was so much. We've had a number of those, just
random incidents where again you're fearless. God. I love it.
I love you. I love you guys. I know you
gotta go. Thank you so much for for being here
(47:53):
with us. Thank you for asking me. Are we going
to see you next year around at the convention circuit? Yes, yes,
you are great. I'm also I can finally announce here
on Pod Meets World, which is awesome, that I will
be joining Jason at Nashville Comic Con on what's June
three and fourth, I believe fourth and fifth, Saturday Sunday,
(48:14):
June fourth and fifth. I get to hang out with
my my boy Jason in Nashville. And I've been a
horrible friend and have not actually visited him Nashville in
the years. He's lived there ten years, and the only
way to get him to come to a con is
to pay for his flight in a hotel, and I
would have done that ages ago. But come to Nashville
to see the two of us together, because he's going
(48:35):
to show me the town. And you've got to be
the first time I check it out so you can
come on a pub crawl with us, as Jason shows
me everything around there, So that is yes, I don't
him to get naked. Yes. June fourth and fifth, Jason,
I bet you have a really good answer to this question,
so I want to ask it are what are some
of the roles that you auditioned for that you came
really close to getting but didn't get good? Well? Uh,
(48:58):
Eric and boy meets World, Right, I read really close.
I read for Stallone's son and Rocky five, and he
cast his own son, so it's not like he lost
out to another actor. Yeah, but I went to the
director's house like seven times. It was John Abltson, who
did a karate kid in the first Rocky and um gosh,
(49:22):
hell he's another one. I actually, I don't know how
close I got, but I did read for Batman beyond you.
You know, you're not even the Batman fan on the bed,
And when he booked it, he didn't even want to
tell me because he's like, he felt so bad, he
felt so bad, but he killed But he killed it.
I can't imagine I would have done any better. No,
(49:42):
you certainly wouldn't have. Not with that role. I was
I was meant to I was I was I was
meant to wear the cow my friend, I think all
three of us being up for Trojan War and being
at a party, and it was we were all like
it was down to like the three of us and
like maybe five other people or whatever, and we're like,
you know what, one of us is gonna get it.
Guys were like gotten a hoddle and we're like one
of and both of you guys ended up nothing that
(50:05):
was at the boy Mean's World rat party. Was that
what it was? I just remember realizing that we had
all read for this movie, we all wanted it because
the script was so good, and I thank thankfully I
I ruined that so we had no problems. I don't
know why again, and I'm not just saying this, but like,
I don't know why you don't start more stuff, like
you clearly carry a picture and you're so wonderful and
(50:26):
it's very sat thank you, but get whatever you're going on.
Get over it. It's it's that easy, right, Just get
over Just get over it. Well that's the other thing.
That's the other thing. If you actually look at IMDb,
Jason and I have played best friends or played friends
in like fifty different things. So it's just almost every cartoon,
(50:46):
every uh film, everything, it's they cast the two of
us together just because the chemistry is there obviously, So
I AMDB. Will also tell you that he's doing Sonic
the Hedgehog three. So everything you see, I leave everything
you see. I'm telling you you were Chris Pratt and
Guardians of the Galaxy if memory serves awesome. Well, thank you,
(51:07):
thank you so much for being here. I can't wait
to see you again next year. And you guys can
go see Will and Jason at the Nashville Comic Con
June four and get your tickets the minute they become available.
You're available National comicon dot com right now. There you go.
Come check us out because I'm going to need people
to uh so I have a bigger line than Jason
(51:29):
or else I feel bad about. Oh, you're definitely going
to want that. Yeah, what we meet Tonky talks, That's
what's gonna happen. I'm happy with that. I just want
to go. I can't wait. It's gonna be a ton
of fun. Thank you for being here, Jason. It was
great to do Always by Danielle by Phil see you justin,
(51:49):
Oh my gosh, is so perfect perfectly Jason. It is
that the red like director's chair, spot of red curtain sitting.
He's slightly slightly off center. I just wanted to be
wearing a turtleneck. That's all he needed, right, would have
been a nice touch. He's the first guy to admit
(52:09):
that a lot that he thinks it's his fault. But
to me, every time I'm with him and every time
I used to watch him work, that's a guy who
should have been a superstar in my opinion. That's a
guy who should have had his own sitcom, his own show.
Um he and and he's the first one to be like, oh,
I I shoot myself in the foot all the time.
But he's so talented and so funny. Uh that It's
(52:32):
just I was always I was always in aw of
them every time. But doing like a variety show like
he is is exactly perfect, you know what I mean?
Because he like he's he It probably hurt his career
that he was so Hollywood in the sense that he
like lives in breeze show business. He's like him, you know,
he just wants to be the center of attention. He
was and think in a weird way that could have
worked against him as an actor. You know, like even
(52:53):
said it with you when you were up for Eric,
you came across as more sort of awe shucks, authentic,
you know, and like he you probably lost that vibe
pretty early because he's so good and he's so he's
such a pro. So really like he's an old school,
polished performer, and like there's less and less need for
that these days, do you know what I mean? Like, so,
I definitely think like doing a variety show, doing a
(53:13):
hosting gig like that is totally his jam. Yeah, he's no,
he's an entertainer. He's a pure bread entertainer. Where it's
just he can sing and he can dance, and and
the thing is when he can't do one of those things,
he just still throws himself into it. Where I mean,
you don't see that a lot anymore. There's no kind
of uh, you know, kind of wall flower about it.
(53:34):
Oh I don't know, it's like no, I don't know
how to do that, but I'm just gonna go do
it anyway. Um, he was fearless with that stuff. So yeah,
it was certainly a good role model to look up to.
Which was which is great, but oh god, it's I
love your dynamic together. I absolutely love watching you two together.
I could just like sit back and need some popcorn
and it's so funny. Well, my parents call him number four.
I mean he's he's because he's also one of those
(53:54):
people where he'll he'll smack you down when you need to,
which is exactly what you need to keep level did
in this business. You need somebody to go like, come on,
are you kidding me with what you just said? And
he was always that guy for me, which was which
was so great. So yeah, he kept me grounded and
became a just such a brother when I really needed
one at the beginning. You know, writer, you and I
were always close, but our age differences were so much
(54:16):
uh different, started really when we became close, all of
us really did. And it was one of those things
where Jason Man at a time in my life where
I needed a brother, he was there and it was
just awesome, um, because my brothers were always there for me,
but they were there for me at different parts of
the country. Yeah, so I had j right from the
time I moved out to l A And thank god,
because I would have had a much different life if
(54:37):
I didn't, it's wonderful. Well, thank you guys for joining
us for this episode of Pod Meats World. Uh, we'll
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(54:57):
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Uh, can we talk about the shocking revelation when we
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got together that Danielle Fishel is interested in camping. I
was telling me about this. This is not something I
ever would have expected from you, and I am so happy. Yeah. Well,
so many things have happened since I've becoming old, and
one of them is that, uh, well, for one thing,
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I no longer like to be in the sun, like
the sun. First of all, I've always hated the sun.
I did not always take the sun. I was a
tropical child. We we went to Hawaii every summer as
a family. When I was a kid, the beach to
me was always a very calming place and I used
to love to just lay there with a book and
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lay out in the sun. And then so and I
know people don't it's it's either you or it's not you.
It was Sony Will. You're a tropical person, right, no?
Oh no. Also, when you struggle with your weight most
of your life, the beach is not a safe, happy place.
It's a place where everybody is comfortable to take off
their shirt and your people are going, why are you
wearing long sleeves? Yeah? Nor flashbacks? S Yeah, I mean
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I was I can't say I was ever really comfortable
in a bathing suit, but I did really like the beach,
which doesn't make much sense, but so I did. I
just always love that. And so to me, any time
I would think of a vacation or wanting to get away,
or needing to disconnect or you know, feeling burnt out
needs some time, I would think tropical location. And then
as I've gotten older and I've wanted to stay away
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from the sun, skin cancer runs in my family. Uh,
you know, it's just not something I'm interested in doing.
I have become obsessed with the idea of connecting with
nature and like feeling grounded to Mother Earth and seeing
stars and trees and going on hikes and like I
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want to buy hiking boots and I want to buy
a tent, and I want to figure out, like how
do you do that? And you know, it's a it's
a little bit of I'm so excited about it. I
really want to do it. I'm a little nervous because,
as you know, I'm also very controlling about like my
kids schedule, and so my kids are very used to
sleeping in their own bed with perfectly dark and white noise,
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and I think, so what you just sleep next to
your child and there's like natural light about in the world,
and where do you put the sound machine on? Does
the sound machine borrow that, you know, bother the people
sleeping next to you in their tents. So I'm a
little nervous about how it all works, but I also
think maybe it's good for me to just kind of
let it all go. And you do realize that the
white noise that you're simulating in the room is action
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in the world by nature when you're outside. I don't
think it is out the world it is. It's just
just you're not You don't have to block out other sounds, right, Like,
we don't realize how much extra noise there is just
by living in a city or even a town. You know,
Like when I watched my parents property, it is insane.
It's always like shocking how quiet it is. Remember my
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parents used to come visit me and be like so
many helicopters. I'm like, really, because I won't even notice
it anymore, you know, sirens going off all the time.
My parents used to just freak out. I remember finally
realizing like, right, no, I'm just like blocking it out
constantly by living in a city. But what I would say, Daniel,
is that like that that that attitude about like being
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prepared and like obsessing over like do we have the
right gear, And that's actually really good for camping because
that you know, camping is all about that. So you
actually have to put your energy into how how being
prepared and so it's it's it's it's it's a relaxing
activity in that you have to focus on a lot
of different things to be prepared. Does that make sense,
So like you actually get to put all this energy
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towards something and then when you realize like, oh, we
have our tents set up, we have our betting, we
have all our stuff, then we're just now we're just
in wilderness and there's nothing else to worry about. And
you reached this place of like absolute calm, especially when
you like go backpacking, because there's nothing else to do
and you've hiked everything in that you need and you
have to be prepared. You have to know like how
much of this is gonna weigh? How much food do
we have for how many days? But it ends up
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being like extremely calming when you realize like, oh, there's
nothing to worry about there's nothing else to do except
sit here or enjoy this lake or whatever. And what's
incredible as kids response so positively, Like we took a
group of kids camping like a year two ago, and
a lot of them had never been camping before, and
everybody was super stressed out and we got onto the
wilderness and I remember my son and one of his
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friends and they were like, we're bored like five minutes
and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna kill somebody,
and they're like, we're so bored. Five minutes after that,
they were enthralled with rocks and sticks and it was
just like rocks and sticks for the rest of the weekend,
and that's all they cared about. And you just realized, like,
right at a certain point, your brain kicks, and kids
brains especially kick to this different gear where it's like,
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let's make up our own game here with this stick
and this rock, and it just is thoroughly entertaining. And originally, yeah, no,
I grew up camping, So I grew up. Every weekend,
my friends and I would go camping, and we we
did it really cool because we all had dirt bikes,
we all had motorcycles and so we would we would
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wrap up tents and food and put them strapped into
the backs of our bikes and ride into the woods.
And we we built a dirt track in the middle
of the woods, so we'd be doing jumps and all
this stuff all day, right in the track all day.
And then you'd set up the tent and we'd hang
out that night, and you know, you'd strap it back
to your motorcycle and you'd drive home. It was that
seems really dangerous with a glass eye. Okay, it's not
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a class. I were one class on techn Yeah, you're
a glass I discussed about I want the want the pirate. No,
it's uh. And then the older I got, the less
I wanted to be outside. And then now I've done
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something which I never thought I would do, which is
I kind of want to be in the city, which
I'm not a city person at all, and it's it's
every time soon and I go to London, we look
around and go, Okay, I could live here easily. On extremes, man,
I want a hyper urban environment or complete isolated wilderness.
What I can't stand is the in between, which hybrid America,
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anything that's in between, just what drives me crazy, Like
when I'm driving into town and there's strip balls and
like why like density, make it densify, densify this like
buildings that go up and you know, but the idea
of like sprawl, like stretching out taking up space with
buildings like Los Angeles of Los Angeles, well, you know
the real problem with Los Angeles. I have come to
love l A. I you know, we've talked a little
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bit probably on the show about how much I used
to hate it growing up and being on the show,
and it was always like being anti l A. I'm
from northern California. That used to be like it's just
the way you were raised. Um, And I think that
was ridiculous. Like I love l A for its culture.
I love LA for its diversity and like just the
sheer amount of people and things to do like all
of that. The problem is the sprawl. It's so spread
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out and the lack of trees. Um. I realized that,
like I need trees in southern California just doesn't have trees.
It's such a neighborhood. It's a ton of trees. Danielle.
And then maybe you're one of the few man like
even when you go on a hike in Los Angeles,
it's like it's um like brush, you know, it's it's low,
it's not trees, it's not like big tall oaks or
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you know, and and it's just a bummer. Like we've
just deforceded. And I mean l A wasn't really a
forested area to begin with as far as I understand,
but like we've deforested so much of southern California. It's
it's really hard for me. Like so when I thought,
like when we talk about getting out in nature, you
kind of have to drive like two hours outside of
l A, like you know, other level of nature, Like
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what your look because Danielle, our neighborhood, right at the
end of my street not just trees, but right at
the end of my street it goes into just dirt tracks.
Like there's there's great hiking all up around us up
and it's desert if you like, which a lot of
l A people I know love the desert. So they
escaped like Joshua Tree and it's just that's like their
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happy place, you know, friends live in Palm Spring because
it's so powerful for them. For me, that's like like
that's fine. I like it at night, like stars obviously,
but I need trees, I need mountains, I need streams
like Harry and Mountain. I find it disturbing. Yeah, it's
just too it's too dry. It's there's no trees, there's
not enough there. Should we do want a pod meets
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World camping excursion? Yes, absolutely we should. I think we did.
I like that idea. I want to go because I
want to camp again. I just said that to write.
He was telling me about a trip he tipped by himself,
and I was like, I want to I want in
on one of those. Well, first of all, just plan
on coming up for the July at my parents house.
We do like big camp out every year my parents property,
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and all these families come and kids have so much
fun and we just hang out for three or four
days and everybody it's it's basically a music festival without
any music, but it's become like it's such a wonderful bonding,
you know, community experience. Adler will come as a beat
bud great two three. Oh that was like a great band.
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By the way, are we going on the road with
this band that we started? Yeah, you guys were really great.
Writer on the drums. Adler wouldn't sing for you, but
he's really great as a singer. And then Will jumped
in on guitar. It was Yeah, we had wheels on
the bus. Was like, it might have been one of
the best versions I think since the Beatles did it
in what sixt four. We made up spooky wheels on
the bus this morning we did like a spooky version
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see Halloween Themes where there were ghosts and were wolves
on the bus and they all said different things. So anyway,
welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm Rider Strong,
and I'm Wilfredell. Our guest today is somebody you guys
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have been asking for for a really long time. Uh.
We should have had him on when we did Model Family.
That was such a special episode for for Will. But
it was also Jason Marsden's very first episode. It's just
justin Justin Marsdale. Sorry calling him Jason Marston all these years.
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Character name is Jason Marsden. Oh I think Jason Marson
was playing Jason Marsden. That's what it was. Yeah, Okay,
so Jason Marsden played Jason Marsden on Boy Meats World
for nine episodes. His first appearance, as I mentioned, was
in Model Family, which was season one episode fifteen, and
his last appearance was season two episode twenty three, the
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episode called home Wow. Nine episodes just between season one
and season two, and then I can't wait to talk
to him. Let's welcome everybody justin Marsdale. Hell my god,
Oh stop it. Look at you? How are you? Let's
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make him feel real special? Okay, great, all your faces.
You look like you're like inside. The actor's gonna say,
he's got like a studio and he's gotta it's it's
like I'm back stating the Muppet Show. It's unbelievable. It
looks great. It really does. It actually goes along very
well with my first question for you, which is we
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all feel like you were maybe born a forty year
old who was just ready for television. Is that true?
Why are we just going into it? Oh yes, we've
already been interviewing you for twenty minutes. Welcome to the show.
So I was born forty years old? Is that what
you said? You were a seasoned actor is what we're
trying to say. Yeah, you were just like like in
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your first appearance on Boy Meats World, and model family.
It was such a stark contrast for you compared to
the rest of us. I will speak for all of
us when I say that us, because we were flailing.
We were totally fumbling our way through it until we
finally felt felt comfortable in our skin. And then you appeared,
and you were like quippy and catchy and comfortable in
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your skin and took ownership of the stage and knew
everything you were doing and found laughs in places that
weren't even written to be laughs. Were you just always
that way? Were you born to do this? You're too kind?
I was so nervous. I mean, if you remember they
brought me in like on show night. That made it
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even more amazing, though, is that you did that on
the day And I was I was nervous and excited
because I you know, I had already had a friendship
with with Fredell already, and so get to work with
you was was a kick. And then and I want
to like, you know, Fredell. I mean, let's be honest,
you were lucky to be there. The real stars, you know,
Ben and Writer and Danielle. I had to try to
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impress them, and you guys were kids, your kids for
kind of wasn't even in the episode, Thank you, but
I wasn't even there. I remember trying to impress. I
was talking with like writer and Ben and you guys
are just laughing at every stupid thing I said. I
was like, all right, because you impressed the hell out
of us. Of course you were. I looked up for
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you so much because you were such a pro, Like
you were so comfortable, you knew exactly what you were doing,
you were so funny, and I just remember being like, Oh,
that's that's what being an actor's act. I mean, it
was like for me, it was still just showing up
and like, you know, figuring it out as we went,
and like getting notes and being I just had no
idea what I was doing. And I remember I feel
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like I had already met you before then, right, I
must have met you, like around town or something, or
maybe you just your reputation proceeded you by the time
you showed up on set. I remember just being in
awe of you and being takes and you would go
run around. No you know what it was. I always
equate sitcom, especially to music. It's a very specific song
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and we hadn't learned the beat yet and you are.
You came in and were like, oh, I've been singing
this song for fifteen years. So it was that kind
of thing. Let's go, let's take it back even farther though.
How did you start in the entertainment industry? And why
were you ten years old? Because I know you were
ten years old when as the age that all of
us started. How old were you when you started? I
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was I was eleven? Okay, what was? How did what
got you into the industry? My parents, you know, we
moved to California and uh, someone had suggested to my
mother that, oh, you know, your son's cute, get him,
get him into acting. And my mom went to ching.
What a great idea. But they found a workshop and
Irvine that I believe still functioning to this day. There.
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I think they've shifted to more online stuff called del
Mar Media Arts and Hello Bud and Bunny Barth and
the Barth family. Uh, they saw something in me. They
trained me for twelve weeks. It was all ages. It
was like Thursday nights, seven thirty to ten thirty and uh,
kids adults, and we did they did everything. They'd tell
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you how to slate for for commercials. They tell you
how to read copy for film. They did voiceover stuff. Anyway,
they send me to an agent. The agent signed me
that day and then like then immediately started send me
out on movies, TV commercials, voiceovers, Uh and uh, And
I was very fortunate. What was your first worked? All
the time, I remember working constant, Like I remember like
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turning on the TV at the Oakwood and it was
like every channel you changed it be Jason Marston. What
was it? What was the first thing you got? What
was the first first was a McDonald's commercial? Did you
all do time doing McDonald's commercials? Does anyone else? We
all started doing commercials. Mine was for Mick pumpkin happy Meals,
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and I still have them in my kitchen. If I
pull back this curtain, you'll they'll just be my kitchen. Um. Surprise,
we've got four pumpkin pails. Yes, four pumpkin pails. Yeah,
we had them for dinner. Do you have that commercial still?
It's on it's on the tube of you you can
see it. And I played three characters. I played a
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gold prospector and a bunny and uh and something else,
I forget a vampire and uh, and I kept the
pails And now and like that was like the real
industrial like bad for you plastic is that plastic is
not degraded at all. Now the ones you leave bad
for plastics crack, they'll crumble the fetty. So when when
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was was was robot? Was robot chocks, Robot jocks, robot
jocks rocks and then robot crashing bird? And where did
you shoot that? Italy Rome? Italy? Yeah, I was gonna
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say twelve. Never been to Italy before? Is me and
my mother? And uh and like there's so lame in retrospect,
but like I love Italian food. I grew up in
Rhode Island. I'm surrounded by the mafia. I mean, like
every you know Italian Italian food is the thing. And
I could not stand the food in Italy. It was
just it was authentic and different. Remember getting pizza and
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so we walked on trying to find a McDonald's. So
I'm ashamed of myself for that. But yeah, it was
Stewart Gordon film Stewart Gordon who did a reanimator and
actually created uh honey, shrunk the Kids, many many other things.
Yeah wow, yeah, yeah you were an actor. How did
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you get the call? Then? The night that that they
called you in to be Jason Marsden on boy Meats World?
How did how did how did that come about? Why
were you called in the night of the show. Well,
I was working on the Tom Show, The Tom Arnold Show,
and it was the it was just it was just
worked out. It was it was the last episode of
that season forever. And uh, for some reason, we got
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like we rehearsed, we we did table reads on Friday, rehearsed,
and then did our audience to night on Thursday. You
guys did Monday through Friday. We did the same schedule
at the beginning always because Michael Michael was a devout
you so we couldn't work after sunset on Friday. Um, well,
however it worked, it was it was like I couldn't
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work with you guys that we were shooting the same week.
Maybe you on Tom did you shoot out everything you
needed to shoot out on Wednesday and so Thursday you
were free. I can't remember. All I know was the
last day of shooting for us. They didn't make any
special arrangements for me. Um and and I was I
remember being asked to do boy Meats World and I
couldn't uh and and We just left it at that
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and then like I remember the night that we were
shooting for tom um my agent said, they really want
you for Boy Meets World. Can you do You think
you can go in on show night and do it?
And I was like, yeah, I'll come in early. And
I did. I showed up before y'all did. I. I
was David Trey was the director. I believe I knew
all my lines and I did the blocking and uh
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and uh, and I nailed it. You did. That was
the thing that was amazing to me because I had
worked with this other actor all week long. I want
to say his name was Paige. I could be wrong,
and he was a very nice guy, very nice guy.
He just played it completely differently. He played it very
straight man and almost angry. And I remember you coming
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in and us rehearsing, and me the whole time going like,
oh that was a joke. Oh that was a joke.
Oh there was a was like, oh he's it's funny.
Oh this whole thing is funny. And we've talked on
this show before about how when you work with a
better actor than you, it makes you better. And that's
one of my performances that I look back at early, early,
early and go like that didn't suck as much as
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my normal episodes. And it's because I was next to
you and I was like, oh, this is how you
do it. We didn't we none of us knew how
to do this yet. So watching you where you were
like jaded by this point, you were what night seventeen
eighteen and you were like, I've been kid, I've been
doing this for nineteen years ago. Um, so it was yeah,
and I just remember you my cigarette smoke exactly and
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we had a ton of fun room and uh, because
we had met years before when you I've told the
story on the on the podcast before where you made
fun of me because um, I was so excited to
meet Perry King from Rip Tide and You're like, rip
he ripped, rushed off the boat from Connecticut, seen a chair,
all excited and I'm like to learn my lines, dude,
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stop stop, just drave me with your authenticity, and you're
all whatever, and you got that. That was that was
almost home with Leon Norris. Yes, we had Lee and
that was another Michael j show and Brittany Murphy got
wrestler and and that was how you and I met
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and Shylo was there too, right, Yeah, it was between
me and you and Shiloh and uh and and they
gave the part to me for some reason. Gee, I
wonder why. It's because you were clearly the best. Yeah,
I was local. They didn't have to put you up.
They have to put me up, right, it was local.
You used to have to give a relocation fee if
you moved from New York or whatever. That wait, they did, man.
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And then I told the story about the prick who
sold my job when I met you that night with
my with my dad coming down from City Walk, which
you well everybody should know you are were and are
still a an amusement park kind of aficionado. I mean
it was, you know, I mean I like him. I
like him a whole bunch. Yes, yeah, Universal Disney, Nottsbury Farm,
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every every Halloween. You were you were the man to
go with. Um. You used to be a member of
Club thirty three, right, correct? So cool? That was so
cool when you told me that I've never been either.
It was so so. Why do you think I was
so much better than you? At the Boy Meets World audition?
For why I got the part? And they sent your
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ass pack and I'm just curious. Well, because you're amazing. Man,
you're so funny. And I say again, because Will is
so funny and and and I think you did bring
that authenticity and that awe to to this this character.
And I can't remember what I did. Uh. I remember
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Ben because we all read with Ben it messed up
his line and and uh and he thought it was
his fault. Yeah, he felt bad. He felt so bad.
I'm like, man, it was yeah, I could you can
you know when you go to network you can feel it,
you know? And I felt it like they clearly they
liked me. But I think that's someone else in mind.
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And it turned out it was it was you. And
you're I mean, the proof is in the pudding. Like
you you you you kill it, you kill it. You're
so funny. Well, it's very sweet are working on on TV,
because that's what I want to know. The giant anxiety
monster came up and bit me. It is what it
is in a green screen in your room. And you
don't have to work with anybody else that I do
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that all the time. We just don't film it too.
Is so sick of watching this show. You have no
idea he's doing a very week every part. It's so great. Um.
Now here's the other thing that I want to I'm sorry,
I'm taking over this interview because i've met Justin before. UM,
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here's one of the things I want to. I want
to ask you. Um, you came off as an All
of us thought that you were in way more episodes
than you actually were. Not me, I thought you were
only in like three. But that's because that's because I
wasn't there for some of your episodes. If you had
asked me before we started this pot, I would have
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thought that Jason was up until season four or five
two and had done like thirty episodes. Well, because I
was always there. I was visiting. Yeah, there's maybe annoyingly so,
but I would ever. I think I was doing step
at the time, and after like I would finish and
I just go over and and hang out. Now do
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you do one of the things people are asking? And
I don't even know the answer to this. Do you
know why the character just went away? I have no idea.
I have. I think maybe maybe maybe my agent asked
for more money, maybe someone because I remember new producers coming,
and maybe someone just didn't like me. I remember, Um,
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I was told at one point like I was just
too busy, which might have been true, but I remember
a stretcher. I'm like, no, I'm available, and I talked.
I remember talking to Michael Jacobs and he went, you know,
he's got his pens like to put you in a
number episodes and uh and and he didn't. So what
it really hurt the most was the final episode where
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they brought back everybody and did little cameos and except
for me, And how do I know because I was
there watching, Like, well, I guess, I mean it would
have been nice, but it's fine. Right. Was that our
graduation from high school episode when we brought back Lee?
And that's right? And then we only mentioned Tony. You
didn't actually see him, Remember they go, you got the
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That was the joke was we can't go down that hallway.
You never come back, hey, Mr Turner, And you never
actually saw him. So Lee was the only one who
came back. Okay, so you didn't because we never got
an explanation either. But by this time you were already
on step by step. Right when did you start doing that,
like at the same time as boy or yeah, okay,
um um, I remember I booked White Squall when I
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was doing because I was on sept I told you yes,
And I didn't do Step by Step until after that,
and Full House was before boy, I I can't remember.
I think it was after as well. Okay, I think
the answer seems to be that maybe you were just
too busy. But like the times when they would have
been able to have you on, you were already working
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on something. You were working so consistently and for good
reason that it just must not have worked out, because
I mean, obviously it's not show talent, it's show business.
And uh and then that's what it was. I mean
I was I was I was available, I was there. Yeah,
it was that craft service with us talking. I just
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remember you coming back from White Squall after having shot
that film and an amazing film with Jeff Bridges. If
anybody hasn't seen White Squall, it's absolutely a wonderful movie.
I remember you coming back shredded, but you just were
just ripped. Yes, I've worked out because Ridley Scott directed
this movie. It is wonderful. Uh about like they called it,
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like Dead Poets Society on a boat. It was to
go to school on a sailing ship. And we actually
worked in a sailing ship and I was the first mate.
And I just remember le Scott asking me. He's like, so,
you know you he works on the shiep all the time,
and you're supposed to look like a like a box,
you know, can you make You're gonna work out? I'm like, yes,
I'll do that. So I had to be work out
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to be in the shape of a box, is what
he was so interesting? Yea, whose idea was it? To
keep your name the same for the character? The character
was written for me, that's and then a few episodes
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later I forget which writer came up to me and said,
you know, because obviously Mr Feeney, the great Bill Daniels
that refers to everyone by the last name, and he says,
he has to call you by your last name. Do
you mind if we use your own? I think it
would be funny, he said, I think it'd be funny
as well. Right, So okay, now I know this is
a different podcast, and yes, I'm gonna plug my other
podcast out here Voices, And we talked about this a
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little there, but you are a huge voice over actor
as well. Did that start pre boy you you you
started when you were young doing voices as well. Correct, Yes,
I did. Uh. First cartoon I did was Disney's Adventures
of the Gummy Bears Old school Commy Bears Bouncing here
and there and every Bears. No, did you do Care
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Bears too? Or were you just gummy no Care? Just
coming awesome? And then you went from there too. I
mean this was years later. Obviously you did a ton
of stuff in between, but I mean, Max for Goofy movie,
Goofy is got to be one of your most recognizable
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voice over roles, wouldn't you say? It's up there? Yeah,
and it's all Disney. How I guess that's the question
is how much Disney did you work for? Were you?
Because you were literally the voice of Disney for years? Well, yeah,
I did a tune Disney. Coming up next, It's Boy's World,
followed by Jake American Dragon Jake long only on Tune Disney.
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You know, I hated that job so hard, which because
and it's horrible, because like anybody on the planet would
love that that that gig, but it was it was
so they kept because I'm good at talking fast, they
kept adding more and more words to it. I was
sort of like on call Um like at the drop
(29:24):
of the had like, no, you can't go on vacation.
We need you to come in and do the spot
for UM for the Mickey Mouse Club. And I didn't
like that because it wasn't it wasn't a contract. I
wasn't a Disney employee. It was like a note. I'm like,
somebody's not balancing here. And you can only like be
faux enthusiastic about something for so long. But it's want
(29:46):
to bow your brains out, So I got I just
got completely burned out by it. Oh my. Next, it's
so weird because I want to sit here and talk
to Jason about more stuff, but I know him so
well that it's called Well, it's not that I know
the answers, it's that it's like I feel like I'm
interviewing my best friend because that's what I'm doing. So
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it's just learned that Will has a glass eye. What
is something else we don't know about? Will? Give us
give us a secret about Will? Here we go, Oh
my gosh. Um see, I guess you can cut out
anything that you don't want, right, that's right? Here we go?
Oh god, oh god, I think sexual or weird? Please?
(30:32):
Oh that I got nothing. Will uh will oh. There's
so many things people will almost almost just like move
to Amsterdam. It didn't come back one time. We didn't
know that. Let our audience doesn't know. Our audience doesn't
know it. So tell the story for our audience. Well,
(30:53):
will it. We've gone together beforehand. I think you went
even again before before I met you. Had you was
the first time we went with with Shiloh, And no,
that was the first time. Yeah, you had gone a
couple of times. Well I thought you had gone a
couple of times by yourself or no, no, no, the
first time and the first time I've ever been. Yeah,
(31:16):
it was such a good trip, and um, then I
think we'll went back again. Uh. It was with me
between seasons, and I would check in on them every
so often. We didn't have pages or nothing. We'd you'd
go to the like a pay phone, you call me
and check in and you were like, I don't know, man,
I don't know if I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna
stay here. I'm like, okay, So I got a plane
(31:38):
ticket flew out to to talk some sense and to you.
He was staying in a in like this guy's house
before an existing. I have found this apartment. Yeah, the apartment. Yeah,
and I've gotten there like stupid early in the morning,
like and you had told me, like you know, he
(31:59):
sleeps in and trying to disturb everyone until like afternoon
or something. And so I waited as long as I could.
I think it was cold or something, and I like
knocked on the door and this poor older gentleman and
like a shirt and his and his white tidyes opened
the door and is like, oh that must be Hans. Sorry,
this like three level house. Go upstairs and Will is
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staying in a room the size of this chair. Okay,
and what are you looking there? I can't I'm messing up,
like the square of this chair, like he's our one
corner TVs in on the corner a giant, giant bull
of cigarette butts bhill. But he had a he had
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a I know this is I'm sorry I'm describing things.
It's it's not basics. The door was a was a
mattress that Will had procured for me so I could
sleep in there as well. But to show you to
illustrate how long he had been there. You know where
I'm going with this. I know exactly where you're going
with vot Up Up. So every night he would go
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to he would go to sleep. You'd have some cigarettes
whatever on this little tiny television and he'd smoke and
he'd watch whatever. And then this would come on from
Motor Up and it was in Dutch and went on
there and he's he looks at me, He's like, watch this,
and he starts reciting the intromercial word for word in Dutch.
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Oh my god, and I'm losing my mind. I'm losing
my hilarious and said, but mostly hilarious. He would just
been watching this every day Street Blues. It would show
two episodes, the Hill Street Blues and then the Motor
Up commercial and it would always start Motor Up and
a ment car. And so I would just sit there
(33:54):
and this, this is a solid block of ice. How
is it still working? This row was has frozen solid.
I still remember the Motor Up commercial. That was a
fun trip. And burger king every night, burger king every night. Um.
That's when I was writing the Winnie the Pooh movie
for Disney. I wrote the screenplay for that. But no, Jason,
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this is how good a friend Jason was. I called
him and I said I'm not coming home. Can you
tell them at Boyny's World that I'm not coming back?
Are you serious? Check? This is this is ninety nine,
summer of ninety six. Can you just tell them I'm
just gonna stay here and smoke weed and cigarettes and
eat Burger King and write scripts. And Jason's like uh huh.
(34:40):
And something like thirty hours later, there's a knock at
my door and he's like, okay, Well what I did
when we don't know Will is I did? I called
Michael and I was like, hey, look, Will wants to
stay in Amsterdam. But listen, I know it's a horrible loss,
but I could fill in if you want. I'm available anyway.
He hung up, and I was like, I guess I
better go, don't But he didn't know. Do you remember
(35:02):
what you said to me? Because you you you came
in and you're like, here's what's going to happen. We're
gonna stay here, we're gonna hang out for a week
and have some fun. And then you're getting on the
plane and you're flying home. And he dragged me back
from Amsterdam. Yeah, oh man, And I'd still be living there.
I was just there not long ago, and that is
now a hotel, that same and that apartment you found writer,
(35:24):
that's the same phone that you would go out to
every night. Um was the same one I called Jason from. Yeah,
so that's near It was next to it a hostel,
I want to say it was, and and right across
the street from the Reichs Museum. It was great a spot,
no wonder you want to stay. You and I have
done Amsterdam, Paris, London, London? Where else have We've been?
(35:47):
Kind of all around the world together, Disney World a
couple of times. Disney World a cool way with the
old school like Disney Way where you'd get to back
door the rides and do all that kind of stuff.
That was really cool. Um do you remember is is
the what's the one where all the clubs where everybody dances?
Is that still at Disney World? Paradise Island, Leasure Island
sadly gone? Oh man? We had some Now we are
(36:10):
recording this during spooky season and there is a fresh
revival of hocus Pocus. It is now bigger than it
has ever been. Did you would you have ever expected that?
What was filming that like? Um? Well, you know, I
don't know if you watched the movie, but I that
wasn't me in the beginning. That was the fabulous and
(36:31):
talented Seawan Murray. So I I didn't actually do any filming.
I came in after the fact and I and I
looped um the cat that he turns into, and then
for continuity, I got I looped Sean as well. So
it was it was about three days of work for me.
I mean I came in like motally done. But yeah,
I mean I just did. I've been doing these convention
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appearances with Amory Cats and Vanessa Shaw and we just
have a blast. I haven't seen Omary in thirty years.
We did a show called Erie Indiana together and uh
and Vanessa I knew because we both knew Jonathan Brandis
really got about Erie Indiana. I love that people. People
are digging it. People are digging it so hard. I
never I mean like like you guys, I mean, you
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work on a show. I mean you had a good
long run. But there's a lots of shows that had
good long runs that aren't as celebrated as hard as
Boy Meets World. So that feeling that you guys have
right now is I mean, it's it's very similar for
a goofy movie and hocus focus. It's you don't expect it,
it's it's it's one of those wonderful things that that
we are gifted as in this unforgiving business that you know,
(37:37):
speaking of, which, what are you doing now? Because I
know that you've got the Mars Variety Show, which is
pretty awesome, and you are your life has become a
lot about music lately. Yeah, I thank you for mentioning that.
I have a show on YouTube called The Mars Variety Show,
which celebrates independent musicians and stand up comedians here in Nashville.
(37:59):
It's inspired by like the Dean Martin Show. I was
watching a lot of those old variety shows, Dean Martin Show, laughing,
Bert Sugarman's Midnight Special, and uh and I'm like, well, see,
I could be like a Dean Martin. I like to
be a host. I have uh you know, I'll feed
my ego. I can do that and then I can
share with the rest of the planet. These these artists
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who who will perform for like six people on a
Wednesday night melt you know, pour their guts out, and
I'm like, you need to be seen by a bigger audience.
So that's what the show is designed for. We have
three seasons. I have a Halloween special and I'm very
proud of. Uh. It's silly and stupid and it's it's
thirty minutes and it's fantastic, called The mars scare Riety Show.
(38:42):
So I'm still working on that. I might I'm definitely
gonna do more seasons, probably next year, but still acting,
doing um uh cartoons and video games and even get
my on camera career off the ground. Did a couple
of things uh here and there, and I have a
movie that uh, very exciting thing that I'm not allowed
to talk about, but I've been. It is musical based
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and I have to learn, uh to you know, to
learn some songs and sing and play guitar and all
that stuff. And I'm very excited for that. Well are
you on social media? Where can people follow you so
that when you're ready to talk about that very exciting
thing people can hear about it. Daniel Fisher will thank
you for asking. You can find Jason Marsden add Jason
Marsden on Instagram official, Jason Marsden on TikTok, or Jason
(39:26):
morriston official. I can't remember and I'm on the Twitter
as well, but I most of my focus is the
instant family. But TikTok is the thing. Yeah, tell me
about your TikTok. I want to know what are something?
Do you have like a real popular TikTok? They like,
what's your most popular TikTok? Yes, so I hear this
is a weird thing, but I love it. So I
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did this cartoon, the the sequel to The Lion King,
and my character, his name is Kovu, and he is
the chosen heir of the throne from scar because you
have to say chosen because you can't say incests on Disney.
That basically, you know, if you follow the like mating
habits of lions, that's pretty much what it was. Anyway,
shows an air and and he's the smoldering, like dark,
(40:10):
darker version of Simba. We call him hot topic Simba
at around the house should have gay j earrings and whatnot.
And uh and I get so much fan mail uh
for for that and and and mostly fine young gals
who come up and saying that, oh man, that that
that character, that voice. You know, curious steerings happened in
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my youth. So I a TikTok showcasing that and it's
hit over a million, like in the twenty four hours
was oh my god. But then I post stuff about
like watch the Mars Variety show. Nobody cares, you know,
Goofy movie millions millions? Don't you care about what I want?
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My artistic integrity? Don you make fun of Will in
the Goofy movie voice? Oh man in it? You know what?
You know what Goofy and Will have and come? You
know what? Max? I can't have a com and they're
both goofy? Will you like power Line? Hey? Will? Maybe
you want Stoppable should hang out well together. I'll gust
(41:18):
see power Line with you and Ron stoppabo that Uh yeah?
Am I? Or is he me? Oh? This is gonna
be interesting fantastic? Maybe you hook me up with that
that Kim, she's pretty nice. I already already lied to Roxanne,
so so tacking up with Kim and has have have
have Ron Stoppable and Max ever actually met before? I
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think this is an interesting Disney crossover. Yeah you remember
that one like after party at Club thirty three. That's right?
Oh yeah, he was there? Oh yeah that was I
was about to be there that night. I don't don't
start with me. Don't even start with me. H and
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Disney has just suit us somehow. World is now over all,
right Jason. Before we finish, I do have is now
doing the voice of Max good exactly what he's doing
the voice of everybody. UM, just a quick question for you,
because we've touched on this in other episodes. Looking back
at your life because you are a true child actor.
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We're a child actor that has grown up into an
adult actor. Do you look back at your career as
a child actor or something positive? Or do you look
back at your career as a child actor as something
not so great? Uh? Nothing but positivity. I mean, like
you know, there's always ups and downs. You're you're a
kid in a very adult industry, you know. And uh,
but I can't trade any experience that I ever had
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because I worked on so many uh intellectual properties that
I loved, you know. Um, I've had amazing experiences getting
travel all of the world. UM, established friendships with fine
folks like you guys. I wouldn't trade it for the world.
That's awesome. I love hearing that. And finally, what's your
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favorite project that you've ever worked on? Uh? It's like
picking your favorite child. It can't pick just one man.
It's like, uh, you know, each show, each project you're
working on, means something different based on the people you
work with, based on the experience. It's hard to pick
picktures one. I'm glad to hear that. What's your least
(43:34):
favorite project? And why did you hate the actors you
were working with? No, I'm kidding, you don't have to
answer that one. To look at his face, UM, I
did an episode of Will and Grayson. It was not
my favorite experience at all. I hear Will is nice
and Grace is nice. But and as a dick, you
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know you were you guys are I don't know if
you guys ever worked on any other sitcoms after? What
means really? But you had such a family, um dynamic
and the same thing on step by step and you're
allowed to try things. And then um, there were certain
shows I worked on afterwards where there was a shift
and people were not as welcoming and it's like you say,
what's on the page or you're out of here, like
(44:19):
you won't try anything. And I think it was caught
off guard by that. And I'm I don't know if
you could tell but I'm a little arrogant sometimes and
I absolutely love it. And uh, and that's and I'll
just say I was supposed to do two episodes. I
ended up doing just one. It was there's there's being
with Jason, especially when you're out. First of all, you
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know that he's gonna be fearless no matter what's in
front of him, and you're always wondering, like am I
going to get into a fight? Like what's gonna happen
right now? So one of my favorites and jump into
a pool and that story? Can I tell this story, Jason? Please?
So I had done a film called I think it
(45:03):
was called Lady Killers at the time it became gold Diggers.
It was there was a way it was not good.
So we were at the Vegas Film Festival for Sina
Vegas and we were at a big party there the
night before the festival started, and it was all this
press and there's hundreds of people around a pool, and
of course I turned to Jason at one point and
(45:24):
I was like, I bet you you won't strip completely
butt naked and jump into the pool in front of everybody.
And he's like, no, I'm not gonna do that. And
I go, I, you know, I'll give you four hundred bucks,
and I turn away as like a joke, and by
the time I turned back, he essentially has his pants off,
and I'm like, no, dude, I'm kidding, don't we We're fine,
don't worry about And he's looking at me the whole time,
(45:45):
going like wait, what's what's the problem, and butt naked
packed house jumps in the water. Everybody then is staring
like looking at him. He gets out, we're laughing and
and security comes over grab us. We're then in the
He's like I'm going to have him arrested. Him like whoa, no, no, no,
we're good. We're good. We're friends with the owner of
(46:07):
the hotel, which we weren't. But I was like, I'm
here as a guest guest of the hotel owner, you
know what was his name again, and I'm a very
famous actor movie this guy. This guy's like you gotta
go look at him. Just go into the hotel room
and keep him there. And then the thing that amazed
me is you wouldn't even take the cash. I tried
(46:28):
to give you the four hundred bucks, and you're like,
now you already had the experience. I'll get I'll get
naked for free, just ask so funny. And then I
remember the director of the film coming up to me
and going, I can't believe you did that. I can't
believe you did that. I'm like, what, we were just
having funny goes. No, had I known you were going
to do that, we would have written the name of
(46:49):
the film on his ass. Oh my god, nothing. Greg
took it someone when you all took it. I was
me getting of getting out of the pool surrounded by security.
Were you there too? No? No, I just heard about it. Oh.
To Will's credit, like, yeah, they were. The security was
(47:10):
pissed because you know, penises are deadly uh minus anyway,
But but the security was escorting me out and and
very upset, and Will was like, I got you, ja don't.
He's following me behind, Like I don't. I'm with you
the whole way. And then do you remember the big
head of security came up and he was cracking up.
He's like, man, what are you doing? What are you thinking?
(47:31):
What are you thinking? And they were gonna kick me
out of the hotel, but because we were staying at
the hotel, they couldn't, so I'm like, I'll just go
to my room. I won't come back down. Oh, it
was so much. We've had a number of those, just
random incidents where again you're fearless. God. I love it.
I love you. I love you guys. I know you
gotta go. Thank you so much for for being here
(47:53):
with us. Thank you for asking me. Are we going
to see you next year around at the convention circuit? Yes, yes,
you are great. I'm also I can finally announce here
on Pod Meets World, which is awesome, that I will
be joining Jason at Nashville Comic Con on what's June
three and fourth, I believe fourth and fifth, Saturday Sunday,
(48:14):
June fourth and fifth. I get to hang out with
my my boy Jason in Nashville. And I've been a
horrible friend and have not actually visited him Nashville in
the years. He's lived there ten years, and the only
way to get him to come to a con is
to pay for his flight in a hotel, and I
would have done that ages ago. But come to Nashville
to see the two of us together, because he's going
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to show me the town. And you've got to be
the first time I check it out so you can
come on a pub crawl with us, as Jason shows
me everything around there, So that is yes, I don't
him to get naked. Yes. June fourth and fifth, Jason,
I bet you have a really good answer to this question,
so I want to ask it are what are some
of the roles that you auditioned for that you came
really close to getting but didn't get good? Well? Uh,
(48:58):
Eric and boy meets World, Right, I read really close.
I read for Stallone's son and Rocky five, and he
cast his own son, so it's not like he lost
out to another actor. Yeah, but I went to the
director's house like seven times. It was John Abltson, who
did a karate kid in the first Rocky and um gosh,
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hell he's another one. I actually, I don't know how
close I got, but I did read for Batman beyond you.
You know, you're not even the Batman fan on the bed,
And when he booked it, he didn't even want to
tell me because he's like, he felt so bad, he
felt so bad, but he killed But he killed it.
I can't imagine I would have done any better. No,
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you certainly wouldn't have. Not with that role. I was
I was meant to I was I was I was
meant to wear the cow my friend, I think all
three of us being up for Trojan War and being
at a party, and it was we were all like
it was down to like the three of us and
like maybe five other people or whatever, and we're like,
you know what, one of us is gonna get it.
Guys were like gotten a hoddle and we're like one
of and both of you guys ended up nothing that
(50:05):
was at the boy Mean's World rat party. Was that
what it was? I just remember realizing that we had
all read for this movie, we all wanted it because
the script was so good, and I thank thankfully I
I ruined that so we had no problems. I don't
know why again, and I'm not just saying this, but like,
I don't know why you don't start more stuff, like
you clearly carry a picture and you're so wonderful and
(50:26):
it's very sat thank you, but get whatever you're going on.
Get over it. It's it's that easy, right, Just get
over Just get over it. Well that's the other thing.
That's the other thing. If you actually look at IMDb,
Jason and I have played best friends or played friends
in like fifty different things. So it's just almost every cartoon,
(50:46):
every uh film, everything, it's they cast the two of
us together just because the chemistry is there obviously, So
I AMDB. Will also tell you that he's doing Sonic
the Hedgehog three. So everything you see, I leave everything
you see. I'm telling you you were Chris Pratt and
Guardians of the Galaxy if memory serves awesome. Well, thank you,
(51:07):
thank you so much for being here. I can't wait
to see you again next year. And you guys can
go see Will and Jason at the Nashville Comic Con
June four and get your tickets the minute they become available.
You're available National comicon dot com right now. There you go.
Come check us out because I'm going to need people
to uh so I have a bigger line than Jason
(51:29):
or else I feel bad about. Oh, you're definitely going
to want that. Yeah, what we meet Tonky talks, That's
what's gonna happen. I'm happy with that. I just want
to go. I can't wait. It's gonna be a ton
of fun. Thank you for being here, Jason. It was
great to do Always by Danielle by Phil see you justin,
(51:49):
Oh my gosh, is so perfect perfectly Jason. It is
that the red like director's chair, spot of red curtain sitting.
He's slightly slightly off center. I just wanted to be
wearing a turtleneck. That's all he needed, right, would have
been a nice touch. He's the first guy to admit
(52:09):
that a lot that he thinks it's his fault. But
to me, every time I'm with him and every time
I used to watch him work, that's a guy who
should have been a superstar in my opinion. That's a
guy who should have had his own sitcom, his own show.
Um he and and he's the first one to be like, oh,
I I shoot myself in the foot all the time.
But he's so talented and so funny. Uh that It's
(52:32):
just I was always I was always in aw of
them every time. But doing like a variety show like
he is is exactly perfect, you know what I mean?
Because he like he's he It probably hurt his career
that he was so Hollywood in the sense that he
like lives in breeze show business. He's like him, you know,
he just wants to be the center of attention. He
was and think in a weird way that could have
worked against him as an actor. You know, like even
(52:53):
said it with you when you were up for Eric,
you came across as more sort of awe shucks, authentic,
you know, and like he you probably lost that vibe
pretty early because he's so good and he's so he's
such a pro. So really like he's an old school,
polished performer, and like there's less and less need for
that these days, do you know what I mean? Like, so,
I definitely think like doing a variety show, doing a
(53:13):
hosting gig like that is totally his jam. Yeah, he's no,
he's an entertainer. He's a pure bread entertainer. Where it's
just he can sing and he can dance, and and
the thing is when he can't do one of those things,
he just still throws himself into it. Where I mean,
you don't see that a lot anymore. There's no kind
of uh, you know, kind of wall flower about it.
(53:34):
Oh I don't know, it's like no, I don't know
how to do that, but I'm just gonna go do
it anyway. Um, he was fearless with that stuff. So yeah,
it was certainly a good role model to look up to.
Which was which is great, but oh god, it's I
love your dynamic together. I absolutely love watching you two together.
I could just like sit back and need some popcorn
and it's so funny. Well, my parents call him number four.
I mean he's he's because he's also one of those
(53:54):
people where he'll he'll smack you down when you need to,
which is exactly what you need to keep level did
in this business. You need somebody to go like, come on,
are you kidding me with what you just said? And
he was always that guy for me, which was which
was so great. So yeah, he kept me grounded and
became a just such a brother when I really needed
one at the beginning. You know, writer, you and I
were always close, but our age differences were so much
(54:16):
uh different, started really when we became close, all of
us really did. And it was one of those things
where Jason Man at a time in my life where
I needed a brother, he was there and it was
just awesome, um, because my brothers were always there for me,
but they were there for me at different parts of
the country. Yeah, so I had j right from the
time I moved out to l A And thank god,
because I would have had a much different life if
(54:37):
I didn't, it's wonderful. Well, thank you guys for joining
us for this episode of Pod Meats World. Uh, we'll
see you next time. You can follow us on Instagram
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(54:57):
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