February 11, 2025 • 32 mins
“WHEN THIS BOY MEETS WOORRRRLD!!!!” An entire generation knows the song, and now it’s time to meet the man who made it!
Phil Rosenthal (not that one) was the lead vocalist for the band Twenty Cent Crush who was tasked with creating a theme for the 5th season of Boy Meets World, and now he’s revealing how it all happened - and changed his life.
Plus, Phil reveals how the theme song to “Girl Meets World” was almost COMPLETELY different, on this bonus episode of Pod Meets World
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
I had an encounter like a month ago.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
With one of those like, oh this this job exists.
This is an interesting job.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You mean with someone who has one of.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
The job you'd never think exists, and then you're glad
it does.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So we uh we had, you know, like about a
week and a half of Indie saying my head really itches.
Uh oh, I'm the down player.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm like the you know, if somebody says they're sick,
I'm like, if I'm sick, I'm like, oh, we.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Know you were sick for three weeks, four weeks, and
we just get begging you to go get checked out. No,
I'm never going to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And Alex is the exact opposite. She's like, oh my god,
we're going to the doctor. You know, cancer, it's over right.
So she was like, it's life, it's slice. It's like,
I'm like, Okay, the kid doesn't take enough showers. Let's
just take some showers and then fine, Like it's pretty obvious.
It's it's not going away.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
He's itchy. I mean, we can't see anything, but who can,
Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So we get the LCE shampoo and Alex is like,
I'm starting to itch to him like, okay, everybody does
the light shampoo situation. Uh, And sure enough she like
picks some things out of his hair with like the
little comb.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Right, it's so gross to think about.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So they're like so small, like in some ways, like
I could tell Alex gets a little satisfaction because now
she's like, how many am I going to get out
of his hair?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So because it's kind of like, yeah, cleaning them.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Like popping lips, there's so satisfying.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Gross gross gross.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
So then everything seems fun for another week and I
was there at your house, Alex is at you, indies
at you, and then sure enough, like one of his
theater classes, it's like we have had an outbreak of lice.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
We're like, okay, it's not gone away. So there was
a life lady, Yeah, a very nice lice lady.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, came to our house a house yeah, like a
delivery de license service. It's like getting a pizza ordered
or yoga class at your house.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You can do this in LA.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
It's so nice.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Raine.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So she came and was like the coolest woman and
like in two hours had like done all of our
hair and everybody was fine, and she answered all our
questions and by the way, I had no lice in
my hair. I was I was okay, but.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, I mean you're.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Your son.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Exactly. I don't cuddle.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I was in my shed alone.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
It actually probably does mean that I was out of
town while.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, I got it, so whatever point that they re
got it or got it the first time. Yeah, anyway, Yeah,
so shout out to all the lice ladies and out there.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
My god.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Literally her card was like a light lady. I was like,
this is so cool.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
That's I was going to ask if they have they
always have like a cool name, like you know, lice
and easy or something like that. You know, you know something,
always have something.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
They need you, well, they need you to come up
with these.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So I have a question. I know that like when
you have fleas in your house and you need to
now get rid of like you know, there's like the
little flea bombs that you can put off in your house.
Did they have to do something similar for lice or
once it's because no, because it doesn't. Lice doesn't stay
on bedding.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's just oh thank god. Yeah, it's not like bed bugs.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It's not like scabies or like there's other stuff babies,
you have to like wash everything. Yeah, no, luckily this
is but you know, isn't it funny? Like I immediately
was like, do we have to shave? You have to
shave into his head?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Like I was still in this like nineteen fifties.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yes, is that what you think?
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Like?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Will?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
What do you think because you don't have kids? Like
when was the last time you heard about lice when
you were a kid?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And when I got it on when I was a kid? No,
I got that.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
We had the light shampoo that they would put on
that just felt like battery acid on your head. So
you just kind of like screaming, Yeah, like connecticuts.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It was the blood of a horse mix. Right, was
it worked?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
It worked?
Speaker 7 (04:29):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Okay, so there's a lice lady.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Yeah, how does Now here's my question for the backstory.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
How does one find this profession?
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Is this something that her family had done for years
and she took over the family business. Is this something
where she went to school for it and then was like,
I want to find I'm gonna I'm lice.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's my that's my.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Goal to that's you have kids of your own and
you realize that.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
You want your surface when.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
When you go. There's no one who knows this, and
you know what, I could you know what, people would
pay a lot of money for an expert to come
in and.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Say, voice out there.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Actors, you know, child actors with some podcast money.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
We want to I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
To the sphere of having turns out he doesn't have any.
But we had a we had a life outbreak at
Adler's school as well. Adler did not get it it.
It appeared as though nobody in Adler's class got it,
but in surrounding classrooms, so other grades had outbreaks. And
(05:30):
because Adler's in kindergarten and they don't spend a ton
of time with the older grades, he was mostly protected.
But there was a big brew haha in the kindergarten
parent chat. There's a there was a house to do,
a bid to do. Yeah, do you want to know
about the to do?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Will?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Because we know my favorite thing about Will is one
of my favorite I have so many favorite things, but
one of them is that Will who doesn't have kids
but loves the dramas. I love he loves the drama.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
There's always a chat drama.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
That's why you just don't don't chat chats chets like don't.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Recently, somebody started a sentence in the parent chat that
said news flash, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
We are down? Is that?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Like Alex has been a part of several different like
mom threads and you know, and I have friends who
obviously are part of and there's always somebody going through
a divorce who's over sharing like that just seems to
be like there's always the one person who's like.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Well he did it again.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's just like whoa this is about who's picking up
the kids.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
There is a company that makes a it's like mostly
essential oils, but it's a spray that's rosemary. Apparently lice
hate rosemary. We did they did a bowl and of
all these things, we just you know, we know like rosemary.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Thanks you all for coming today. We're going to show
you some different things.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
We want to see which ones you.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Were exactly so cardial last voter and they said, we
just can't hang with the rosemary. There's a company that
makes the spray that's mostly essential oils and it's got
rosemary in it, and you can supposedly it's really good
if you spray it in your kid's hair, they won't
go to your kid's head, and so.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I doubt it works at all. Well, sounds like this
sounds like every parent's first attempt.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't want to use I don't know, I don't
want to have to buy it at the drug store.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I'm going to be healthy. I'm gonna I'm just gonna
split them with this, Rosemary.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
My point is, even though no one in kindergarten that
we know of had it, someone said, hey, I'm going
to start using this and I'm going to give it
to the teachers, and what do you say? We spray
it on all of them. There were thumbs down, emoji's,
(08:10):
there were there were links, and so I just mostly
stay very quiet and wait for something. But anyway, so yeah,
we it's been going around the lice. It's making its rounds.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Well, you should call that famous company that takes care
of it, lice peel Off.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
They're great, They're like the best, best in town, Liceeroni.
You're not going to beat that company.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Welcome to Pad Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Wilfred Dell.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
There are certain sounds that can immediately bring Boy Meets
World fans a wave of nostalgia. Whether it's a perfectly
pitched feenie call or a classic piece of dialogue, like
they want you to take the roles. A lot of
our fans can speak in code, allowing each other to
know they are a part of the club. It's a
cult of sorts, our own little the center. But it
(09:17):
would be difficult to find a noise that unites Boy
Meets World fans easier than this.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
When this Folly World.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
On our show, we went through a handful of theme songs,
but it was the final variation, the version used for
seasons five through seven, that seems to have stuck with
fans the most and become the song to represent Boy
Meets World most commonly. And when we started the season
five rewatch, we noticed the credit the theme was performed
by Phil Rosenthal and twenty cent Crush, And once we
(09:47):
figured out this Phil Rosenthal was not the guy who
created Everybody Loves Raymond and Eats in Different Countries for Netflix,
it got us thinking, can we find Phil Rosenthal and
twenty cent Crush? And when you have Jensen as your
the answer is usually yes. And so for today's episode,
we will be focused on that one part of Boy
(10:08):
Meets World, the unforgettable final theme song, as we welcome
to the podcast the former lead singer of twenty cent
Crush and the voice you mimic at the top of
your lungs. Yes, it's Phil Rosenthal in the moment on
(10:28):
this road, then we go live.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Is what we do with.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
You, guys? Crack me up? Man, Yeah a little I'm
a little older now a.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, thank you?
Speaker 5 (10:45):
You look the same girl.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Oh my gosh. We are so excited to talk about you.
I mean, we have to be honest, We've had some
pretty unpredictable reunions here on pod Meets World, but it
is going to be difficult to beat this one. Why
because we didn't think we'd ever even find you.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah, it's funny. You found me through my old band
in DC. Yes, okay, so I moved way before I
moved to LA. That's that's really funny.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Producer Jensen will Will call us to be like, yeah,
I found who you're looking for through his third grade teacher,
Like excuse me.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So you just never know how you're going to get
the call. I want to start with twenty cent Rush.
Please tell us about the band and how you guys
got started the band in DC.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Broke up, and I moved out here and wanted to
go further. I didn't want to quit. You know, they went,
they went back to doing jobs and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
What was the band in DC?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
It was called Not That's not even producer worked. I
think reached out to and Jeff Chamberlain, who's one of
the greatest lyricists I've ever known. He's great. I was
a bass player and backing singer in that band. And
then when we broke up, so they kept ted and
Jeff kept These are my best friends. We were like
the Rolling Stones in DC. We had we would bring
(12:06):
a thousand people to the like why can't I think
of the club? It's closed now, But we used to
do really well there, but not we never got big,
never got maker, and I think that scared them a
little bit because we're getting older, right. I took the
drummer John Greenberg, who was amazing at Paul Flynn, who
(12:29):
owns True to Music in Santa Monica. We came to California,
I mean, and we had a band, and then I
left that band. That band broke up. Twenty cent Crush
came about at nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Five, and we when we moved to La.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Yeah. When I was in La, we were on the
KTLA morning show in front of millions of people usually.
So you guys, you guys have had like your lives
have been so incredible in what you've done. But it's
like the odd things that have happened to me, you know,
singing Boy Meets World at Capitol Studios and we're Sinatra, Brian,
(13:08):
the Beach Boys, the Beatles, King Cole sang.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
And then the theme song for Boy.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Meets World Themes.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, okay, so how how did this come about? Talk
to us about how you got the call to do
the Boy Meets World Themes song.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
I think she was an associate producer for the show.
My bases is ending well in Hollywood. We were playing
House of Loues, we played h the Key Club, you know,
all kinds of it was. It was actually called Billboard
Live at the time. All this came about through Karen McCain.
Is that familiar?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Of course we know Karen very well.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Somehow, I don't know if she was just a fan
of the band or what happened, but she goes, Phil
would be perfect to write the song for this, and
you know, you know what happened with Friends and the
Red Brands. Sure, and I missed like who could put
a world with a smile? I missed the I missed
the vocals of lead of songs in the shows.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
And so what kind of guidance did they give you
about what they were looking for?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Michael Jacobs? Because when I wrote the very first the
lead in of that song, when This Boy Meets World,
was about me, not about Ben. You know another show,
you guys had a six year hit show on Friday nights,
and I had the opportunity to provide something that would
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you know, lead it, and I was I was like, dude,
you got to you know, you got to do this.
I feel like there was some divine intervention. I wrote
a two minute and thirty five second song, sent a
cassette in when there were cassettes, which I saw and
they said, okay, it was like, well walking through this
(15:00):
labyrinth of life. And even my my Steve Burns, my
manors manager and guitar player, my very good friend, said
they're not going to want that. It's too labyrinth is demographic.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
It's yeah, they too big a word for TV.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah, But Twentys and Crush had a really good Ascension
in La. You know, we're doing really well. Everything kind
of fell into place and I got that opportunity and
over a weekend I had to scale down a two
thirty five song. Now, let's talk about Ray. Ray had
the first two theme songs. I stole. I was stealing
(15:37):
money out of his pocket. And I didn't even know.
You know, It's like I wasn't a position. But when
I went to Ray's house and I walked into his
because he was a music director of the show, and
he walked I walked into his garage in Studio City
and there was an Aerosmith album on the wall. Yeah,
he had co produced it, and it was one of
(15:59):
my favorite albums when I was a kid. Yeah, would
you would you have to do with arisonth He goes, Oh,
I signed them to Columbia. I was in A and
R exactly the fun the fun stuff you learn when
you walk into a that has that much talent. Oh
cool people. So anyway, we went upstairs and worked on
this song and I said, do you like it? I
(16:20):
knew I was stealing his.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, stealing his job.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Basically he was cool.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I mean he was very stoic kind of guy. Yeah, yeah,
I really enjoyed the experience of this, So this opportunity
that Michael gave me, and I mean, of course I
brought something forward. Yeah, it was I get choked up.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Sometimes, so it's there. It was originally a two and
a half minute song that you delivered on cassette and
I know, Okay.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
It's on Spotify.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It is what's it called.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
It's called boy Meets World?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
What is it really?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Yes, go listen to it or else send me.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Tell us the story. So you get it from two
and a half minutes, you get it down to the
twenty five seconds they need. Then where do you go
record it?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Well, there was a session at Capital Studios, Okay, which
is where everybody famous and I mean I met. I
was walking around Big Big Bad Voodoo Daddy. Yeah, they were.
They were recording in studios so cool. I'm like walking
around their studio the dark. I didn't even turn the
(17:32):
lights on. You know. They were in a and I
was in B and ray. They were doing all the
they were doing the que music. That's why they were
doing all the Q music between you hey to Panga, right,
do all of that stuff. And so I didn't come
until late and uh, but I did. I went into
(17:55):
the it was actually a green room. The paint, the
paint on the wall, it was a material on these
There were a bunch of old, old guys with horns
and I'm like they were the guys who did the
horns for the Judsons. Oh, oh, cool, amazing song. That's
cool it was so you can tell excited. I I'm sorry,
(18:17):
I'm really don't ever apologize the amazing. The experience was
off the charts for me.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Was that your first time at Capital Studios?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Yes, first time? I'm not famous. You guys made me
famous in a.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Sense, so you get the job and then it starts
airing on TV.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yes. And I saw it for the first time at
a place called I had a gig at the gig
in West la and I was eating at the Arsenal
and it was the first time I ever saw the show.
Then I got married and had a honeymoon in England
and I saw it for the second time in Yorkshire. Wow. Really,
there's a lot of love and emotion for you know,
(19:01):
for me and what this was. And you know it's
not like, oh it opened doors for me, absolutely posts that.
I mean, that's the idea. I'm a businessman too, but
it was so special.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
So the song's airing on Boy Meets World on Friday nights.
Are you as you're doing gigs around town? Are you
performing the song too?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
No, because I got married in my first woryalty check,
went to my wife's wedding ring and we had a baby,
And yes, I was writing music, but I wasn't performing.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Okay, you weren't performing at that time.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
And I have performed it in DC. I performed it
out here, the long version, the short version. I've done
it acoustically, you know, in a you know, coffee houses
and stuff. But it's always fun to see a smile
on someone's face because, of course, you guys made everybody
so happy.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
You're so sweet. What's the funniest story you have from
revealing to someone that you're the guy who sings the
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Boy Meets the World themes song?
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Having my friends come over with their daughter who had dinner.
This is when we were in an apartment and we
just had our first baby in Miss Hollywood, and she
couldn't even look me in the eye.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
She was just that excited, still enamored by it.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
And she was young, she was only like eight or nine.
It wasn't like she was a she was a young lady,
but she was a girl. And I'm like, it's okay,
I wrote a song insange. I mean there's a lot
of those. What you're asking me, Danielle is, yeah, there's
I couldn't even know. There's a bag, a full bag
of that stuff happened, and that happened in my life.
(20:56):
It still happens. It still happens. I just got off
the phone with a business associate in Toronto and her
name's Winki. I love that name. It's so cute. And
she's like, I'm getting I got to do a podcast
with you know, pod meets the World. You know, I
wrote the theme, she had no idea. I don't always
tell everybody. Yeah, and she's like, oh my god, so cool.
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It's because of you guys. Again. Later, way after I
did the song is when I got to know the
show Yea and how you know I had shows like
that as the Brady Bunch when I was a kid.
And you know, actually Robbie Wrist who was cousin Oliver
who came over. He was my drummer for a long time.
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We're very good friends.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Oh you're kidding.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Coming to la. I made my way into people. Stephen
Still's house and shop. He wouldn't even talk to me
until I beat him in pool in his kitchen. He
had a pool table in his kitchen, just all kinds
of easy stuff, rock and roll, crazy stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
So whatever happened to twenty cent Crush, Twenty.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Cent Crush went through a couple iterations and I'll get
you guys the last CD. I have a friend who
was the last drummer who played with Brian Wilson on
tour for He was stolen away from me as a
drummer and deserved it. He went to Barred Music Institute
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and we just finished something for David Crosby. But twenty
cent Crush kind of is just there and my my band,
which is kind of mine. I mean, I directed it all,
and that might not have been the best thing. It
could have been a little more organic. I could have
let them do what they want. But I had learned
to do everything play a drum machine. I didn't realize
(22:50):
until I was really fifty six years old that I'm
a left handed drummer, and that's why I couldn't play
the drums. Oh wow, they're all set up and right
and We did well, but we didn't get the major deals,
you know, and that's okay. And then I got married
and I still wrote music and make money. You know,
as a writer, I didn't have the voice, you know.
Michael Jacobs and the president of Virgin Lenny Kravitz is
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one of my favorite last major rock stars I think,
although many since, but they came to my record release
party at the Hollywood Athletic Club. Michael came, which yeah,
that's cool. Yeah, I mean there was a lot of
fun and a lot of good things, but it just
didn't proceed through the band as much. We had the
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first color posters in town. Flyers really a footcone and building,
and they had like amazing printers. You know, everyone had
black and white stuff. You know, we had the first
color stuff around.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That's so cool. Your career ended up kind of taking
a significant turn toward digital marketing and entrepreneurship. How did
your creative background and music influence your work in those industries?
And tell us what you're up to now left, left.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
And right brain girl, Yeah, yeah, combination of both. I
had to be a I had to learn business because
I needed to take care of a family. Yeah, I
put my life on hold, musical life on hold. I
did some, but it became a third priority right first,
which is okay. I'm not sad. I have three great children,
but it's uh. You know, I've owned a few companies
(24:29):
in digital average. I got in right at the beginning.
I've had a very lucky God higher power. I've been
and I'm not a super religious person. Definitely, there's been
some intervention in my life that kept me going and
staying on the top. And I think it's again just
(24:50):
you just keep going. Yeah, not like I'm not a
depressed person. Maybe that's why i haven't written the best
lyrics of my life.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm some sadness.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
I've had sadness and I have it's been pain. But
I think the best is about to come, believe it
or not.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
It's a great way to look at it.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Do you notice any very specific inspiration in the Boy
Meets World theme song, like anything in particular ins Yeah,
like what, well, I.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Think my music the stuff I was doing at the time.
You know, when I was writing, I wrote the music
for the band and had a record you know that
was about to come out and an EP. Actually I've
never released a real record and I have about a
eighty songs to release. Wow, what a good marketer. I
am right anyway, my friends give me about that. I
(25:48):
think it was understanding the show watching it. I'd been
written writing stuff for Disney, for and even Hannah Barbera.
I'd be writing some stuff for people because that was
a good way to make money besides waiting tables. Yeah,
I love too. I mean I love everything. I don't
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you know when I go wait tables, I can't be
playing in a studio, and actors and actresses that are
that wait tables are like I can't wait to my
next audition. I'm like, get into what you're doing at
the moment. So I was just in the moment, and
that's what came out. You know, remember talking to me
from the stage of a.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Shoot, No no, tell us the story.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
I came with a fraternity brother who was out here
on a conference at a conference, and I said, I
take them to a taping. Yeah, CBS not. I mean,
it's so weird how the cross functional you know, studios are,
and and more than anything besides seeing you guy, you know,
(26:54):
it's bleachers. You got like bleachers, you got like I
use the comedian and who kind of does Mitch me
and Mickey Dolan's was was he an associate producer.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Or he was the director? Probably that week he directed
a couple of us.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
My song is very monkey aesque. It's extremely monkey ask
if you listen to it. Yeah, I'm a huge fan
of their music. His voice, especially in an incredible voice.
And they weren't play their room music.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Don Kirshner just blew them out of you know, wouldn't
let them play and that pissed them off.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So Mickey was there, and you're in the audience.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Mickey there, but my friend stood up and said, this
is the guy that did the new theme song. You
know my friend did that. Oh my gosh, you don't remember. Okay,
of course you've had a lot of life, you know,
so you don't remember. And and and then Mickey said
you got to sing the song. And I'm like, well,
(27:52):
at that point, I wasn't as confident in my voice
without a guitar, and I didn't want to do it.
And and he goes sing this song and I sang it. Actually,
you said I we're not I didn't want to do it,
and you said we're not going to continue tape it
sorry this song.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
So I'm up there and I'm like, when this is
boy meets for us and he's like, the guy's like,
he didn't sing that song.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Oh so funny.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
It's a true story, true dad.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
So funny. What are you up to now, Phil? Where
can people find you? What can we hear? Tell us
what you're up to now?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Actually a lot's going on right now because I'm I'm
actually about to buy a jeep and go up to
Seattle and visit my twenty three year old daughter and
her boyfriend, nice with them, and work because I'm you know,
I've been I've made money from this screen for years.
And I'm going to buy two of my guitars back
that I sold and I'm going to kind of be
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a troubadour for a little while.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I mean, you caught me in a in like a
major transition of life. You you guys were everything. And
you know when this boy meets real? Do you made
this boy meet the world? Girl come from Sri Lanka,
Auslia beware in the world. Wow, that show your show
impacted So it made me somewhat of a name, you know,
(29:32):
and people like the song. I've heard people say they
hate my song some of the.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Chat listen, ye, welcome, welcome to the world.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Welcome to the world.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I don't care. That's stuff doesn't bother me. Yeah, I
know who I am at this point in life exactly.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Just think about those people when you're cashing those checks
from Sri Lanka.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Well, they're small at this point in time.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I know, we don't know, we know, we're aware, but
it's okay.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
You guys are aware, we know, we know. Well.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Thank you so much for being here with us. Phil.
It's really been interesting to hear the origin story of
the song. It's great to see where you are now.
You have some legendary stories, and thank you for coming
and sharing them with us.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
You know, you guys helped my life a lot, and
it's embarrassed. I'm glad I was there for you as
much as you know Michael for me. Are you guys?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Thank you well.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Listen for email. We want to hear, we want to hear.
I'm going to look on Spotify for the original song.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
I'll you a link to it. It's that easy.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Thank you so much, Thank you, Bye bye.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
He's that guy that, like at a party you just
sit next to and he just would have story after
like playing cool with Steven Stills in his head, like
that kind of thing, just story after story of rock
and roll stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
It's so interesting too that I never really thought about
how Ray Colecord would have felt about the idea that
now they're bringing in someone from the outside to write
a new theme song. And I we didn't get the
answer from him, but I wonder what the answer to
that question was when he said, Hey, Ray, do you
like it? I wonder if I was like, no, I've
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got criticisms, or if he was like, you know, I
like it.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, I didn't. I'm I'm I was.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I was kind of expecting him to say that, like
Michael wrote the lyric.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well, that's what I was gonna ask, Michael jump in that.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
No, it sounds like he wrote a two and a
half minutes version and then they just cut it down.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
No, not for this song, but doesn't didn't Michael Wasn't
he known for writing? Didn't he write write the theme
songs as for his other shows?
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I thought so, yeah so, And I think I wonder
if if Michael wrote the guitar theme for his own logo,
because you know, that Michael Jacobs has.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, didn't in that?
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Yeah, maybe he might have.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Maybe that was Ray I don't know, I don't know.
Interesting Michael musician sing Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Thank you all for listening to this episode of Pod
Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram
pod Meets World Show. You can send us your emails
pod Meets World Show at gmail dot com and we've
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Speaker 2 (32:11):
We love you all, pod dismissed.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Podmeets World is an iHeart podcast producer hosted by Danielle Fischel,
Wilfredell and Ryder Strong Executive producers Jensen Carp and Amy Sugarman,
Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,
Tarasubasch producer, Maddie Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World superman
Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon.
Follow us on Instagram at Podmeats World Show, or email
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us at Podmeats World Show at gmail dot com
I had an encounter like a month ago.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
With one of those like, oh this this job exists.
This is an interesting job.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You mean with someone who has one of.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
The job you'd never think exists, and then you're glad
it does.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So we uh we had, you know, like about a
week and a half of Indie saying my head really itches.
Uh oh, I'm the down player.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I'm like the you know, if somebody says they're sick,
I'm like, if I'm sick, I'm like, oh, we.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Know you were sick for three weeks, four weeks, and
we just get begging you to go get checked out. No,
I'm never going to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And Alex is the exact opposite. She's like, oh my god,
we're going to the doctor. You know, cancer, it's over right.
So she was like, it's life, it's slice. It's like,
I'm like, Okay, the kid doesn't take enough showers. Let's
just take some showers and then fine, Like it's pretty obvious.
It's it's not going away.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
He's itchy. I mean, we can't see anything, but who can,
Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So we get the LCE shampoo and Alex is like,
I'm starting to itch to him like, okay, everybody does
the light shampoo situation. Uh, And sure enough she like
picks some things out of his hair with like the
little comb.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Right, it's so gross to think about.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So they're like so small, like in some ways, like
I could tell Alex gets a little satisfaction because now
she's like, how many am I going to get out
of his hair?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So because it's kind of like, yeah, cleaning them.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Like popping lips, there's so satisfying.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Gross gross gross.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
So then everything seems fun for another week and I
was there at your house, Alex is at you, indies
at you, and then sure enough, like one of his
theater classes, it's like we have had an outbreak of lice.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
We're like, okay, it's not gone away. So there was
a life lady, Yeah, a very nice lice lady.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, came to our house a house yeah, like a
delivery de license service. It's like getting a pizza ordered
or yoga class at your house.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You can do this in LA.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
It's so nice.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Raine.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So she came and was like the coolest woman and
like in two hours had like done all of our
hair and everybody was fine, and she answered all our
questions and by the way, I had no lice in
my hair. I was I was okay, but.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, I mean you're.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Your son.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Exactly. I don't cuddle.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I was in my shed alone.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
It actually probably does mean that I was out of
town while.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, I got it, so whatever point that they re
got it or got it the first time. Yeah, anyway, Yeah,
so shout out to all the lice ladies and out there.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
My god.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Literally her card was like a light lady. I was like,
this is so cool.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
That's I was going to ask if they have they
always have like a cool name, like you know, lice
and easy or something like that. You know, you know something,
always have something.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
They need you, well, they need you to come up
with these.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So I have a question. I know that like when
you have fleas in your house and you need to
now get rid of like you know, there's like the
little flea bombs that you can put off in your house.
Did they have to do something similar for lice or
once it's because no, because it doesn't. Lice doesn't stay
on bedding.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's just oh thank god. Yeah, it's not like bed bugs.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It's not like scabies or like there's other stuff babies,
you have to like wash everything. Yeah, no, luckily this
is but you know, isn't it funny? Like I immediately
was like, do we have to shave? You have to
shave into his head?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Like I was still in this like nineteen fifties.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yes, is that what you think?
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Like?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Will?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
What do you think because you don't have kids? Like
when was the last time you heard about lice when
you were a kid?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And when I got it on when I was a kid? No,
I got that.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
We had the light shampoo that they would put on
that just felt like battery acid on your head. So
you just kind of like screaming, Yeah, like connecticuts.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It was the blood of a horse mix. Right, was
it worked?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
It worked?
Speaker 7 (04:29):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Okay, so there's a lice lady.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Yeah, how does Now here's my question for the backstory.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
How does one find this profession?
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Is this something that her family had done for years
and she took over the family business. Is this something
where she went to school for it and then was like,
I want to find I'm gonna I'm lice.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's my that's my.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Goal to that's you have kids of your own and
you realize that.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
You want your surface when.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
When you go. There's no one who knows this, and
you know what, I could you know what, people would
pay a lot of money for an expert to come
in and.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Say, voice out there.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Actors, you know, child actors with some podcast money.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
We want to I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
To the sphere of having turns out he doesn't have any.
But we had a we had a life outbreak at
Adler's school as well. Adler did not get it it.
It appeared as though nobody in Adler's class got it,
but in surrounding classrooms, so other grades had outbreaks. And
(05:30):
because Adler's in kindergarten and they don't spend a ton
of time with the older grades, he was mostly protected.
But there was a big brew haha in the kindergarten
parent chat. There's a there was a house to do,
a bid to do. Yeah, do you want to know
about the to do?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Will?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Because we know my favorite thing about Will is one
of my favorite I have so many favorite things, but
one of them is that Will who doesn't have kids
but loves the dramas. I love he loves the drama.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
There's always a chat drama.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
That's why you just don't don't chat chats chets like don't.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Recently, somebody started a sentence in the parent chat that
said news flash, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
We are down? Is that?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Like Alex has been a part of several different like
mom threads and you know, and I have friends who
obviously are part of and there's always somebody going through
a divorce who's over sharing like that just seems to
be like there's always the one person who's like.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Well he did it again.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's just like whoa this is about who's picking up
the kids.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
There is a company that makes a it's like mostly
essential oils, but it's a spray that's rosemary. Apparently lice
hate rosemary. We did they did a bowl and of
all these things, we just you know, we know like rosemary.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Thanks you all for coming today. We're going to show
you some different things.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
We want to see which ones you.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Were exactly so cardial last voter and they said, we
just can't hang with the rosemary. There's a company that
makes the spray that's mostly essential oils and it's got
rosemary in it, and you can supposedly it's really good
if you spray it in your kid's hair, they won't
go to your kid's head, and so.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I doubt it works at all. Well, sounds like this
sounds like every parent's first attempt.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't want to use I don't know, I don't
want to have to buy it at the drug store.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I'm going to be healthy. I'm gonna I'm just gonna
split them with this, Rosemary.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
My point is, even though no one in kindergarten that
we know of had it, someone said, hey, I'm going
to start using this and I'm going to give it
to the teachers, and what do you say? We spray
it on all of them. There were thumbs down, emoji's,
(08:10):
there were there were links, and so I just mostly
stay very quiet and wait for something. But anyway, so yeah,
we it's been going around the lice. It's making its rounds.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Well, you should call that famous company that takes care
of it, lice peel Off.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
They're great, They're like the best, best in town, Liceeroni.
You're not going to beat that company.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Welcome to Pad Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Wilfred Dell.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
There are certain sounds that can immediately bring Boy Meets
World fans a wave of nostalgia. Whether it's a perfectly
pitched feenie call or a classic piece of dialogue, like
they want you to take the roles. A lot of
our fans can speak in code, allowing each other to
know they are a part of the club. It's a
cult of sorts, our own little the center. But it
(09:17):
would be difficult to find a noise that unites Boy
Meets World fans easier than this.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
When this Folly World.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
On our show, we went through a handful of theme songs,
but it was the final variation, the version used for
seasons five through seven, that seems to have stuck with
fans the most and become the song to represent Boy
Meets World most commonly. And when we started the season
five rewatch, we noticed the credit the theme was performed
by Phil Rosenthal and twenty cent Crush, And once we
(09:47):
figured out this Phil Rosenthal was not the guy who
created Everybody Loves Raymond and Eats in Different Countries for Netflix,
it got us thinking, can we find Phil Rosenthal and
twenty cent Crush? And when you have Jensen as your
the answer is usually yes. And so for today's episode,
we will be focused on that one part of Boy
(10:08):
Meets World, the unforgettable final theme song, as we welcome
to the podcast the former lead singer of twenty cent
Crush and the voice you mimic at the top of
your lungs. Yes, it's Phil Rosenthal in the moment on
(10:28):
this road, then we go live.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Is what we do with.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
You, guys? Crack me up? Man, Yeah a little I'm
a little older now a.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, thank you?
Speaker 5 (10:45):
You look the same girl.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Oh my gosh. We are so excited to talk about you.
I mean, we have to be honest, We've had some
pretty unpredictable reunions here on pod Meets World, but it
is going to be difficult to beat this one. Why
because we didn't think we'd ever even find you.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah, it's funny. You found me through my old band
in DC. Yes, okay, so I moved way before I
moved to LA. That's that's really funny.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Producer Jensen will Will call us to be like, yeah,
I found who you're looking for through his third grade teacher,
Like excuse me.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So you just never know how you're going to get
the call. I want to start with twenty cent Rush.
Please tell us about the band and how you guys
got started the band in DC.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Broke up, and I moved out here and wanted to
go further. I didn't want to quit. You know, they went,
they went back to doing jobs and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
What was the band in DC?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
It was called Not That's not even producer worked. I
think reached out to and Jeff Chamberlain, who's one of
the greatest lyricists I've ever known. He's great. I was
a bass player and backing singer in that band. And
then when we broke up, so they kept ted and
Jeff kept These are my best friends. We were like
the Rolling Stones in DC. We had we would bring
(12:06):
a thousand people to the like why can't I think
of the club? It's closed now, But we used to
do really well there, but not we never got big,
never got maker, and I think that scared them a
little bit because we're getting older, right. I took the
drummer John Greenberg, who was amazing at Paul Flynn, who
(12:29):
owns True to Music in Santa Monica. We came to California,
I mean, and we had a band, and then I
left that band. That band broke up. Twenty cent Crush
came about at nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Five, and we when we moved to La.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Yeah. When I was in La, we were on the
KTLA morning show in front of millions of people usually.
So you guys, you guys have had like your lives
have been so incredible in what you've done. But it's
like the odd things that have happened to me, you know,
singing Boy Meets World at Capitol Studios and we're Sinatra, Brian,
(13:08):
the Beach Boys, the Beatles, King Cole sang.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
And then the theme song for Boy.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Meets World Themes.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, okay, so how how did this come about? Talk
to us about how you got the call to do
the Boy Meets World Themes song.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
I think she was an associate producer for the show.
My bases is ending well in Hollywood. We were playing
House of Loues, we played h the Key Club, you know,
all kinds of it was. It was actually called Billboard
Live at the time. All this came about through Karen McCain.
Is that familiar?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Of course we know Karen very well.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Somehow, I don't know if she was just a fan
of the band or what happened, but she goes, Phil
would be perfect to write the song for this, and
you know, you know what happened with Friends and the
Red Brands. Sure, and I missed like who could put
a world with a smile? I missed the I missed
the vocals of lead of songs in the shows.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
And so what kind of guidance did they give you
about what they were looking for?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Michael Jacobs? Because when I wrote the very first the
lead in of that song, when This Boy Meets World,
was about me, not about Ben. You know another show,
you guys had a six year hit show on Friday nights,
and I had the opportunity to provide something that would
(14:37):
you know, lead it, and I was I was like, dude,
you got to you know, you got to do this.
I feel like there was some divine intervention. I wrote
a two minute and thirty five second song, sent a
cassette in when there were cassettes, which I saw and
they said, okay, it was like, well walking through this
(15:00):
labyrinth of life. And even my my Steve Burns, my
manors manager and guitar player, my very good friend, said
they're not going to want that. It's too labyrinth is demographic.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
It's yeah, they too big a word for TV.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah, But Twentys and Crush had a really good Ascension
in La. You know, we're doing really well. Everything kind
of fell into place and I got that opportunity and
over a weekend I had to scale down a two
thirty five song. Now, let's talk about Ray. Ray had
the first two theme songs. I stole. I was stealing
(15:37):
money out of his pocket. And I didn't even know.
You know, It's like I wasn't a position. But when
I went to Ray's house and I walked into his
because he was a music director of the show, and
he walked I walked into his garage in Studio City
and there was an Aerosmith album on the wall. Yeah,
he had co produced it, and it was one of
(15:59):
my favorite albums when I was a kid. Yeah, would
you would you have to do with arisonth He goes, Oh,
I signed them to Columbia. I was in A and
R exactly the fun the fun stuff you learn when
you walk into a that has that much talent. Oh
cool people. So anyway, we went upstairs and worked on
this song and I said, do you like it? I
(16:20):
knew I was stealing his.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, stealing his job.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Basically he was cool.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I mean he was very stoic kind of guy. Yeah, yeah,
I really enjoyed the experience of this, So this opportunity
that Michael gave me, and I mean, of course I
brought something forward. Yeah, it was I get choked up.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Sometimes, so it's there. It was originally a two and
a half minute song that you delivered on cassette and
I know, Okay.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
It's on Spotify.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It is what's it called.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
It's called boy Meets World?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
What is it really?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Yes, go listen to it or else send me.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Tell us the story. So you get it from two
and a half minutes, you get it down to the
twenty five seconds they need. Then where do you go
record it?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Well, there was a session at Capital Studios, Okay, which
is where everybody famous and I mean I met. I
was walking around Big Big Bad Voodoo Daddy. Yeah, they were.
They were recording in studios so cool. I'm like walking
around their studio the dark. I didn't even turn the
(17:32):
lights on. You know. They were in a and I
was in B and ray. They were doing all the
they were doing the que music. That's why they were
doing all the Q music between you hey to Panga, right,
do all of that stuff. And so I didn't come
until late and uh, but I did. I went into
(17:55):
the it was actually a green room. The paint, the
paint on the wall, it was a material on these
There were a bunch of old, old guys with horns
and I'm like they were the guys who did the
horns for the Judsons. Oh, oh, cool, amazing song. That's
cool it was so you can tell excited. I I'm sorry,
(18:17):
I'm really don't ever apologize the amazing. The experience was
off the charts for me.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Was that your first time at Capital Studios?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Yes, first time? I'm not famous. You guys made me
famous in a.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Sense, so you get the job and then it starts
airing on TV.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yes. And I saw it for the first time at
a place called I had a gig at the gig
in West la and I was eating at the Arsenal
and it was the first time I ever saw the show.
Then I got married and had a honeymoon in England
and I saw it for the second time in Yorkshire. Wow. Really,
there's a lot of love and emotion for you know,
(19:01):
for me and what this was. And you know it's
not like, oh it opened doors for me, absolutely posts that.
I mean, that's the idea. I'm a businessman too, but
it was so special.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
So the song's airing on Boy Meets World on Friday nights.
Are you as you're doing gigs around town? Are you
performing the song too?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
No, because I got married in my first woryalty check,
went to my wife's wedding ring and we had a baby,
And yes, I was writing music, but I wasn't performing.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Okay, you weren't performing at that time.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
And I have performed it in DC. I performed it
out here, the long version, the short version. I've done
it acoustically, you know, in a you know, coffee houses
and stuff. But it's always fun to see a smile
on someone's face because, of course, you guys made everybody
so happy.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
You're so sweet. What's the funniest story you have from
revealing to someone that you're the guy who sings the
(20:15):
Boy Meets the World themes song?
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Having my friends come over with their daughter who had dinner.
This is when we were in an apartment and we
just had our first baby in Miss Hollywood, and she
couldn't even look me in the eye.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
She was just that excited, still enamored by it.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
And she was young, she was only like eight or nine.
It wasn't like she was a she was a young lady,
but she was a girl. And I'm like, it's okay,
I wrote a song insange. I mean there's a lot
of those. What you're asking me, Danielle is, yeah, there's
I couldn't even know. There's a bag, a full bag
of that stuff happened, and that happened in my life.
(20:56):
It still happens. It still happens. I just got off
the phone with a business associate in Toronto and her
name's Winki. I love that name. It's so cute. And
she's like, I'm getting I got to do a podcast
with you know, pod meets the World. You know, I
wrote the theme, she had no idea. I don't always
tell everybody. Yeah, and she's like, oh my god, so cool.
(21:21):
It's because of you guys. Again. Later, way after I
did the song is when I got to know the
show Yea and how you know I had shows like
that as the Brady Bunch when I was a kid.
And you know, actually Robbie Wrist who was cousin Oliver
who came over. He was my drummer for a long time.
(21:43):
We're very good friends.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Oh you're kidding.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Coming to la. I made my way into people. Stephen
Still's house and shop. He wouldn't even talk to me
until I beat him in pool in his kitchen. He
had a pool table in his kitchen, just all kinds
of easy stuff, rock and roll, crazy stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
So whatever happened to twenty cent Crush, Twenty.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Cent Crush went through a couple iterations and I'll get
you guys the last CD. I have a friend who
was the last drummer who played with Brian Wilson on
tour for He was stolen away from me as a
drummer and deserved it. He went to Barred Music Institute
(22:27):
and we just finished something for David Crosby. But twenty
cent Crush kind of is just there and my my band,
which is kind of mine. I mean, I directed it all,
and that might not have been the best thing. It
could have been a little more organic. I could have
let them do what they want. But I had learned
to do everything play a drum machine. I didn't realize
(22:50):
until I was really fifty six years old that I'm
a left handed drummer, and that's why I couldn't play
the drums. Oh wow, they're all set up and right
and We did well, but we didn't get the major deals,
you know, and that's okay. And then I got married
and I still wrote music and make money. You know,
as a writer, I didn't have the voice, you know.
Michael Jacobs and the president of Virgin Lenny Kravitz is
(23:13):
one of my favorite last major rock stars I think,
although many since, but they came to my record release
party at the Hollywood Athletic Club. Michael came, which yeah,
that's cool. Yeah, I mean there was a lot of
fun and a lot of good things, but it just
didn't proceed through the band as much. We had the
(23:36):
first color posters in town. Flyers really a footcone and building,
and they had like amazing printers. You know, everyone had
black and white stuff. You know, we had the first
color stuff around.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That's so cool. Your career ended up kind of taking
a significant turn toward digital marketing and entrepreneurship. How did
your creative background and music influence your work in those industries?
And tell us what you're up to now left, left.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
And right brain girl, Yeah, yeah, combination of both. I
had to be a I had to learn business because
I needed to take care of a family. Yeah, I
put my life on hold, musical life on hold. I
did some, but it became a third priority right first,
which is okay. I'm not sad. I have three great children,
but it's uh. You know, I've owned a few companies
(24:29):
in digital average. I got in right at the beginning.
I've had a very lucky God higher power. I've been
and I'm not a super religious person. Definitely, there's been
some intervention in my life that kept me going and
staying on the top. And I think it's again just
(24:50):
you just keep going. Yeah, not like I'm not a
depressed person. Maybe that's why i haven't written the best
lyrics of my life.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm some sadness.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
I've had sadness and I have it's been pain. But
I think the best is about to come, believe it
or not.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
It's a great way to look at it.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Do you notice any very specific inspiration in the Boy
Meets World theme song, like anything in particular ins Yeah,
like what, well, I.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Think my music the stuff I was doing at the time.
You know, when I was writing, I wrote the music
for the band and had a record you know that
was about to come out and an EP. Actually I've
never released a real record and I have about a
eighty songs to release. Wow, what a good marketer. I
am right anyway, my friends give me about that. I
(25:48):
think it was understanding the show watching it. I'd been
written writing stuff for Disney, for and even Hannah Barbera.
I'd be writing some stuff for people because that was
a good way to make money besides waiting tables. Yeah,
I love too. I mean I love everything. I don't
(26:09):
you know when I go wait tables, I can't be
playing in a studio, and actors and actresses that are
that wait tables are like I can't wait to my
next audition. I'm like, get into what you're doing at
the moment. So I was just in the moment, and
that's what came out. You know, remember talking to me
from the stage of a.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Shoot, No no, tell us the story.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
I came with a fraternity brother who was out here
on a conference at a conference, and I said, I
take them to a taping. Yeah, CBS not. I mean,
it's so weird how the cross functional you know, studios are,
and and more than anything besides seeing you guy, you know,
(26:54):
it's bleachers. You got like bleachers, you got like I
use the comedian and who kind of does Mitch me
and Mickey Dolan's was was he an associate producer.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Or he was the director? Probably that week he directed
a couple of us.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
My song is very monkey aesque. It's extremely monkey ask
if you listen to it. Yeah, I'm a huge fan
of their music. His voice, especially in an incredible voice.
And they weren't play their room music.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Don Kirshner just blew them out of you know, wouldn't
let them play and that pissed them off.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So Mickey was there, and you're in the audience.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Mickey there, but my friend stood up and said, this
is the guy that did the new theme song. You
know my friend did that. Oh my gosh, you don't remember. Okay,
of course you've had a lot of life, you know,
so you don't remember. And and and then Mickey said
you got to sing the song. And I'm like, well,
(27:52):
at that point, I wasn't as confident in my voice
without a guitar, and I didn't want to do it.
And and he goes sing this song and I sang it. Actually,
you said I we're not I didn't want to do it,
and you said we're not going to continue tape it
sorry this song.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
So I'm up there and I'm like, when this is
boy meets for us and he's like, the guy's like,
he didn't sing that song.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Oh so funny.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
It's a true story, true dad.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
So funny. What are you up to now, Phil? Where
can people find you? What can we hear? Tell us
what you're up to now?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Actually a lot's going on right now because I'm I'm
actually about to buy a jeep and go up to
Seattle and visit my twenty three year old daughter and
her boyfriend, nice with them, and work because I'm you know,
I've been I've made money from this screen for years.
And I'm going to buy two of my guitars back
that I sold and I'm going to kind of be
(29:01):
a troubadour for a little while.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I mean, you caught me in a in like a
major transition of life. You you guys were everything. And
you know when this boy meets real? Do you made
this boy meet the world? Girl come from Sri Lanka,
Auslia beware in the world. Wow, that show your show
impacted So it made me somewhat of a name, you know,
(29:32):
and people like the song. I've heard people say they
hate my song some of the.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Chat listen, ye, welcome, welcome to the world.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Welcome to the world.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I don't care. That's stuff doesn't bother me. Yeah, I
know who I am at this point in life exactly.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Just think about those people when you're cashing those checks
from Sri Lanka.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Well, they're small at this point in time.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I know, we don't know, we know, we're aware, but
it's okay.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
You guys are aware, we know, we know. Well.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Thank you so much for being here with us. Phil.
It's really been interesting to hear the origin story of
the song. It's great to see where you are now.
You have some legendary stories, and thank you for coming
and sharing them with us.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
You know, you guys helped my life a lot, and
it's embarrassed. I'm glad I was there for you as
much as you know Michael for me. Are you guys?
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Thank you well.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Listen for email. We want to hear, we want to hear.
I'm going to look on Spotify for the original song.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
I'll you a link to it. It's that easy.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Thank you so much, Thank you, Bye bye.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
He's that guy that, like at a party you just
sit next to and he just would have story after
like playing cool with Steven Stills in his head, like
that kind of thing, just story after story of rock
and roll stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
It's so interesting too that I never really thought about
how Ray Colecord would have felt about the idea that
now they're bringing in someone from the outside to write
a new theme song. And I we didn't get the
answer from him, but I wonder what the answer to
that question was when he said, Hey, Ray, do you
like it? I wonder if I was like, no, I've
(31:12):
got criticisms, or if he was like, you know, I
like it.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, I didn't. I'm I'm I was.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I was kind of expecting him to say that, like
Michael wrote the lyric.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well, that's what I was gonna ask, Michael jump in that.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
No, it sounds like he wrote a two and a
half minutes version and then they just cut it down.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
No, not for this song, but doesn't didn't Michael Wasn't
he known for writing? Didn't he write write the theme
songs as for his other shows?
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I thought so, yeah so, And I think I wonder
if if Michael wrote the guitar theme for his own logo,
because you know, that Michael Jacobs has.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, didn't in that?
Speaker 7 (31:45):
Yeah, maybe he might have.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Maybe that was Ray I don't know, I don't know.
Interesting Michael musician sing Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Thank you all for listening to this episode of Pod
Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram
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pod Meets World Show at gmail dot com and we've
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Speaker 2 (32:11):
We love you all, pod dismissed.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Podmeets World is an iHeart podcast producer hosted by Danielle Fischel,
Wilfredell and Ryder Strong Executive producers Jensen Carp and Amy Sugarman,
Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,
Tarasubasch producer, Maddie Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World superman
Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon.
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