April 20, 2025 • 46 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Whoo, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, that's what That's kind of
what I was.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Doing where you're going for Yeah, who.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm doing. I'm doing a celebration that is reminiscentage correct.
I'm not trying to domitations. I know you as per used.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You're giving me woo. I want woo, perfect perfect.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
My notes mean nothing. I'm excited to hear your notes.
We have just come back from WrestleMania forty one in
Las Vegas. It was really fun. It's it's a long event,
and boy were there are a lot of people there,
over sixty one thousand people at Allegiant Stadium, so absolutely
(01:12):
sold out. I I before I tell you any of
my thoughts, I would love to hear, I'm going to
go right to what the people want to know, right
or strong? Your first WrestleMania, your first wrestling event.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Wrestling event since being in the ring.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yes, be part of what the n I have a
major thought about. But you know, we can get back.
I already talked to you a little bit about it.
I am exhausted. Yeah, it was a lot, Yes, it
was fun. I still it's fundamentally not my scene.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Uh huh, Yeah, it's it's a sporting event.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's I mean, I know, it's it's more like I
got into the characters and the drama and all the
pageantry is like super but it's still fundamentally like going
to a sporting event.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's not my scene.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Like I definitely am like, wow, there's you know, a
lot going on. Indy was not super into it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I was surprised by wasn't it at all? No, you know,
I was like, what did you think? And he was like,
it was cool.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And then he started imagining five Nights at Freddy's characters
wrestling and that got him very excited. So I was like, okay,
so you kind of get the vibe. But I think
he's he's into like more like horror fantasy stuff right now,
so wrestling, and again it's I think for him it
felt like a sporting thing.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So he was confused.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
He was like, I think if he had gotten into
some of the characters and he knew who some of
the characters.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Were, I feel like that was.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Like him going like, characters, I really know five Nights
of Freddy's, what if they were exactly? And I feel
him knowing them.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Me too, Like I didn't, you know, I thought maybe
there would be more scenes or like play like explanations
and they do the little pre pre role, but it
happened so fast and it was hard to hear, and
like nobody else is kind of paying attention, so I
was like watching it and being.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Like, wait, who attacked who?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
And what's the becks, and like, I feel like those
were mostly like little previews for everyone who already knows
all that stuff that is true, So I was a.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Little They're not laying a bunch of pipe for people
who new to the scene.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So I just kept trying to think.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I kept you know, I kept telling myself what Mark
told us, which was, you know, to just not obelief exactly, and.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
That's not my default mode.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
At the same time I was saying to you and
you weren't there going like oh this is terrible or
what doing this?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Or no more than anything, I just were kind.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Of getting not getting into it, but also not critically
analyzing everything they were.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Doing, but just feeling behind, feeling a little out of it.
And then I definitely much prefer watching women do the
actual fighting, especially because there's far more so much more acrobatic,
and I think there's something that sounds stupid, But there's
something about size, Like when you're watching big dudes like
hate each other, it's like it doesn't feel I know,
(03:47):
it is very athletic, but it doesn't feel as like
sort of uh, visually acrobatic, you know, like whereas like
when you're watching smaller people flip and jump, it was.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
More like exciting.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I don't know, it was a weird I was like, oh,
much rather be watching the women fight.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It was it was cool.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I would definitely I will agree with you that women's
matches over the last several years have just become the
matches to watch. They are really the stars right now,
I think so.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And also the moves, like the guy the male moves
I kind of knew even though I had never really
been to a wrestling but I knew a lot of.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Like suplex and power.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Well I was like, oh, they're doing that thing in
the area, whereas like with the women, I was like, whoa,
what is that? Like they're like wrapping their legs and
flipping each other in like newer ways. That just felt like, oh,
I haven't seen this or heard about this, so I
don't know that Maybe that was why I was a
little more because like the guys. I was like, oh yeah,
that's at the end. Also, we already had this. I
thought the first.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Fight was not that good.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I cannot believe.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I was like every then it got only better for me,
but still okay.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So the first fight tonight was Jay Usso against Gunther.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Gunther who is clearly supposed to be Ivan Drago from
Rocky Boy.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Does he ever just look like a man?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And I thought they were like they were, you know,
gonna make them something Soviet like somehow they and they
you know, he comes out of ice clay, you know,
king because he's been a Soviet from and they're like,
he's from Austria. And I'm like, Austria is a lovely country,
Like what is what's go to? Guntu probably be a
wonderful man. He come in to this ring if everybody struggle,
like what's the problem. But they clearly were going with him,
(05:26):
like he didn't speak much. He's like supposed to be Drago.
But I liked that match match.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I love that so much.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Downtime, a lot of time out of the ring walking
around flowering. Yeah, there's a lot of glowering from both
of them, And I was like.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Where's the fighting guy, and I was like, is this
really what it's going to and then no, the other
fights were much more active. That one just felt very
tame to me and sort of like oddly like emotional
and like this angsty.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Like it was like, just let it out, guys fight
each other, and it's said it was like a lot
of just like possible.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well, I will definitely say it took jay Uso twenty
five minutes to get into the ring. His entrance music
and this if there were sixty one thousand people.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
There the last fight. The entrance was like a forty
five minutes set up the milk.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
They can't milk a walk We'll.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Literally see him punk on it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
When he finally got introduced and walked in, Indy turned
to me and Alex were like, I thought he already
walked in because everybody had stood up so we couldn't see, right,
And they had the pre roll for his pre entrance
showed images of him walking in, so they.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Were like, wait, he hasn't walked in yet, right, It
hasn't even started to.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Get The spectacle is massive, it really is.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I have to say one thing about tonight and see
it because writers are talking about Cmpunk's walking in. That
was very special for me to watch that because the
tape I listened to driving down from Connecticut on the
bus for three hours going to New York to audition,
over and over and over again to the point where
I literally wore it out was living color.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
And so they were there singing his entrance live Yes,
and it was like I was eleven years old again.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
On the bus.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I would just listen to it over and over and over,
and I was like, it's living color. It was really
cool for that was a cool moment.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
That was really fun. Okay, so our second match of
the night was New Day.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
New Days Day. We've told them that to their face.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I actually really like.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Missed their interest because I went and got a giant
hot dog three Yeah, but I only ate water.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm still full enormous in six hours since they're crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
But when I came back in, they were already fighting,
so I missed their intro.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
New Day was no, No, they're great there. So their
their storyline, Yes, they're amazing. Their storyline was that they
turned on the third member of their group, Biggie, and
Biggie is beloved and so they so now the new
thing is new Days, New Days up.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And it was so funny because the audience was so
much less into that match than they were in the
first match. But I was sitting there going, this is
such a better fight.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
There's more happening. There's so much athleticism, Like they were
really like good, that's.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
War Raiders.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
So the war Raiders that because one of the guys
was very it was a large dude, like a dude.
He was flipping around. It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
That's when I was like, Okay, this is the wrestling.
I kind of hoped for it.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
That's what I missed in the first match.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
That kind of like action and of course there's four
of them, so it's more stuff going on. But that
was way better to me, and then the rest of
the night it stayed at that level.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
It seems a little like the rules are a bit
willingly when it comes to the tag team.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Four people in there, two of them kept fighting one
of that that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Will I was like, aren't they supposed to only be
like that's a good mess.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I feel like the refs maybe are more there to
just be part of the show actually ref the match.
It seems like there's some breaking of the.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Rules, amusing rules and quotes see chair gets.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, exactly, they're cleaning off tables. And my favorite is
when it'll be like a tag team match and one
the refer walk up and be holding one guy like
in one corner, going like, don't do that. Where meanwhile,
five feet behind him, the other guy still beating.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Somebody in my chair.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
So it's like, I need you to stop. Stop.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So when you're at home watching it, you hear an
announcer yes, yes, okay, kind of. One of it's interesting
when you're in the room because it's quietest during a
match and you can't hear We were far enough away
that I couldn't hear anything, you know, other than the
big the big slams, and I was kind of it
was like strangely anti.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Actually yeah, when I don't. I haven't watched one at
home in a very long time. You hear when you're
at home, also what the wrestlers are saying to each other.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Some times, but you're not supposed to. That's only like
if a camera and of Mike happened to be nearby
and catch one, but they're.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Like yelling, you'd see them yelling at each other, and
I was like, well, I can't hear them, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
And you're not supposed to. It's supposed to be like yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I mean a lot of times that's in quiet moments,
they're actually talking about how they're feeling, what they do this,
giving each other cues, yes, giving each other cues.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I like, my I would kind of want to see
like a really small wrestling match.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Now I want to go, like where I can.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I want to watch, like I want to watch them
stay in character and like what they're saying to each
other being part.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Of it, because like this was so big. Yes, it
felt very I felt very far away.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I felt removed from the action, you know, and and
and yet I couldn't hear the comment commentator, so I
didn't get that.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Like to help me, I don't know. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
It is a pageant though, I mean, man, with the
the intro explosions going off and the music pumping, and
it's it's real the crowd that the crowd is his
own character, so everybody knows what to chant and when,
and it's they're doing the same kind of hand gestures
and all this stuff. It's really it's it's it's something,
it really is.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
The third match of the night had my favorite package,
which was the Jade Cargill Naomi fight that had that
incredible background story about Jade Cargill being injured on top
of the car.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Hard to keep up with the hard to keep up with,
like who got murdered? Right?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, no, No, I don't think it's an actual murder, murdered
an attack.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I think she's okay.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So wait, let me understand if I got it right,
because I was explaining it to write her, but I
wasn't sure I got the story right. Jade got beaten
up and they found her and they didn't know who
beat her up. Yes, she had a partner that she
would often tag team with. They obviously came to the
partner and said, well, your partner is down for the count.
We can't let you wrestle. Somebody else came up and said,
(12:02):
you know what, I'll wrestle with you. Wow. And then
they came to them and said, well, wait, we found
out who actually did it, and it looked like it
was live and somebody else that had performed the you know.
So then Jade gets back into it, but it turns
out it was actually the girl who volunteered to wrestle rack.
(12:23):
So I followed it.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You followed up to the.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yes, Okay, that's what I thought of, and that's even
I by the end was like, but it.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Was her, yes, exactly, yes, So that's what this crazy,
crazy match was about. We, I mean, the two of them.
Naomi is someone I have been a fan of for
a very long time. She's incredibly athletic. Her skills have
only improved over the years. She's gotten better and better.
(12:52):
And Jade is the person Mark Henry mentioned to us
as being his favorite female to watch, that she had
to be a superhero, is like a real life superhero,
which led.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Me to this question that I asked Will, which is like, what.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
If they actually involved like superpowers, like and and then
I realized, like they can't write, like there's something about
the wrestling that still.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Needs to be based in reality.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Real like it has to be physically.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Magical, right, but it would be kind.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Of cool, like it could there be like a whole
nother wrestling Harry Potter superheroin.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Penta is doing. What isn't that kind of what Penta
is doing? I don't even know what Penta is is
one of the wrestlers. He wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Street Yeah, like a whole league where like they have
actual weapons.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
The Undertaker, I go Undertaker, I think, yeah, something light
came out.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
The whole thing was like these are characters, these are
superheroes with like superpowers, and that one came in with
their own power and then you did like special effects on.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I was just gonna say, think about the Harry Potter
and the curse of this what I mean that that's
what I was thinking with those.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Like pyrotechnics literally or or is it like does it
ruin it because it's too far in the illusion direction?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Do you know what I mean? Like I wonder because
there's there's all there is.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
It's WWE from another another universe, right, I mean that's
what you do.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
It's total spin off. Yeah, but I think like for
the most part, this is more MMA focused.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It has to have that level, like you have to
kind of believe that at the end of the day,
these people really did beat each other up or not, because.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's the ultimate.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Okay, So, Producer Jensen, I know that you have been
obviously the biggest wrestling fan amongst all of us for
a much longer period of time. I noticed tonight because
I am a big mm A fan that there are
moves like the guillotine and rear naked chokes and stuff
like that. Was that always part of wrestling? Did you
have that in the eighties too, or are they doing
(14:54):
more of that now that the MMA has become so popular.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
So Roman Greco wrestling was more around in the eighties
nineties that you saw like the souplex and whatever. Then
when MMA took over and wrestlers started to get into
it and become kind of MMA dudes themselves by going
to like, you know, different karate lessons, et cetera, then yes,
now you see all the rear chokes and all this
stuff like that more in the last ten years.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
So okay, So because I saw there's one fight that
ended tonight with a tap with a tap out, is
that a new thing tapping out in wrestling? No?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Tapouts have been for a long time. There was the
sharpshooter Brett Hart. Okay, So there's moves that have always
got people to tap out, but no, it's obviously much
more in the culture. And that's why you don't see
Harry Potter, And that's why you don't see it's because
they they are considered or considering themselves part of the
Mma family. Gotcha, they're owned by the same people you
have seen it.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, in WW gosh, I feel like there was a
lot more hidden than I thought.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Oh yes, no, that's before.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
That's always been far wrestling as like the big moves,
like the big ropes and the bouncing.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Those are truly these are the down times. That's like
when you're in yoga and you get to do a
downward dog and you're like, this is my rest. Totally,
that's their rest, right. If they were just doing tons
of big moves all the time, they'd be out of breath,
they'd be exhausted, they'd be dizzy. So they take you know,
the rest.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Okay, I and Jensen, you have to answer this question now.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Has anybody ever just like started a match and been
pinned within like thirty seconds?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Well?
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Absolutely, And our friend Chelsea Green is a good example
of it. Who was in the World Rumble match, which
is thirty competitors come out over like two minute intervals.
She ran out, she jumped up on the ropes and
then someone pushed her out. She was out the quickest
removal ever, so second then sentence and I went to
a wrestlman of years and years ago. My memory is garbage,
but there was a really fast, like twenty second match.
(16:40):
Tops guy runs out, gets kicked in the face of
the boots, ends at one, two three. So it's happened
many times. Okay, we didn't see any tonight, but it happens.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Because I just you know, I was talking to Wil
I was like, what is the like the three X
structure of this.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, you know, because they are they are very structures.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And like he's very excitedly.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Okay, So as a former writer of ww Wrestling in
two thousand and five, this is my twenty years reunion.
There is a way that the heel gets on top
of it for a while. You get the booze, You
get that time when he looks up and stairs at
the audience of the audience booze. And then there's the comeback,
which is where the good guy obviously starts to come
back in a win. You see that, and then that's
the whole co mania.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Remember when he.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Used to like he used to like shake or do this.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, not too but he used to like shake up
like he would get put in a sleeperhole. They put
his arm up one two, and then on the third
one hold up and then and then he'd starts shaking. Yeah,
that's like the comeback, and so like then you're now
you're rooting for the good guy. And then the final
act is basically how it w end. Will the comeback
turn into a win? They'll get the heel again to go,
you know, to have one more moment there, and then
(17:38):
the good guy would win or the bad guy win.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I also I also like one two always, why do
they why can't they break the pin on one?
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Because there's they always break because you always cut the
wire with two seconds left in the bottom sixty two
seconds left.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It doesn't make it. But the fact that there was
no variation tonight, like there.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Was there was one where someone got out on a one.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
We saw that because we were like one, yeah, in
the final match.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
In the final match, there was there was one where
someone on a one. Roman Reigns was out.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Good okay, because I was like, you got to break
this clicheance.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So we have the w W Women's Championship. The winner,
Tiffany Stratton, kept her belt again.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Pod friend, I'd like to say friend of.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
The friend of the friend of the pod, friend of
the pod.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, but not our champion.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
We're still still our champion. Live is our pod meets
world Champion? Yeah, what did you guys think of that match?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
The best fight of the night, best fight of the night.
For me, it was the most fun to watch. I
like both their characters.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, I mean, well.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Interestingly, I kind of both of their characters are like
not my style, Like I was definitely right.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I don't know, you know, Tiffany has like the she's
got the early girl.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah, my style I kind of like, but but they're
both like they both kind of seemed like heels to me,
like I was both. But it was a great fight
and so like Tiffany's gymnastics came out.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah see that the audience did.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Not like Charlotte Flair no, because yeah, but it was fun.
I got that. For me, it was the most fun
of the night.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Like, I don't disagree.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I really liked that fight.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I did. I thought I did. I thought it was again.
I thought the best person I saw all night was
was Jade. Yeah, who to me looked like she should
be cast in a Conan movie, should be cast as
one of the X Men. I mean, it was like
you could you built a like I said, a superhero.
It was amazing to watch it. The white hair, yeah,
and it was perfect. Entrance was great and it was
(19:44):
just so cool. But other than that, the best fight
I don't disagree was this Charlotte Flair fight.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I thought it was incredible, incredible, and so the last
fight was attitude of perfect.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
And also it went on like it got to this
point where they were both like lyne and I feel
like there's a lot of the like, you know, I'm
exhausted with them.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I was like, they're really exhausted.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
They should they should be because this is this It
felt like it just felt like they were working so hard,
and I was really impressed with both of them.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I was like totally into it.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I would say that I don't know who trains wrestlers,
but there's a very big problem that they need to address,
which is not a single wrestler ever even attempts a block.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I know you did say that.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
If you just what your hands was somebody blocked. I
remember somebody blocking the encounter.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
There's no blocking when they when they were when punkin,
was it Roman who or maybe it was Seth who
was punching each other hitting each other in the face,
back and forth. It was like, now it's your turn.
They just kept trading punches. It's like you know what's coming.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, you could just put up this hand and then
everything might get better with.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
The two blonde ladies too.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I was also like, that hair is a real liabil,
Like you would never actually let that hair fly, but
it looks dramatic.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Put your hair in a braid.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
God, but that also shows what when she was talking
about the hair matches where you have hair like that
and then they shave it at the end, if you
use that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
We saw l A. Knight against Jacob Fatu. That was
a really l A Knights guy came out in the car.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
He was the fan of the audience certainly, like he
was the one they wanted to win.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So was he not?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean I felt like people were really cheering for Jacob.
I really thought, like, who was the heel in that situation?
Good question, Jacob Jacob.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Yeah, Jacobo's the heel there, but a cool heel. Yeah, okay,
so a little different people.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I kind of thought he was one of the better
actors to yeah scaring hinge. Like I was like this
guy is really committed. I've never seen I didn't, you know,
I never heard him speak, but I was like, this guy,
I'd like to see this guy in a movie. Like
this guy acting.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
You leaned over to me and you're like, he's growling.
I think he's growling.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, you're you know, you're going for it, man.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
He was great.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Also worth mentioning the first three matches of the night,
there were belt turnovers that the person hold you know,
trying to keep their belt lost it.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
The only person who kept their belt all night was Tiffany.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Tiffany, it's exactly right. And then that brings us to
the very last match of the evening, which was a
three way match between seth Rawlins, CM Punk and Roman Reigns.
Really incredible athleticism.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
And choreography of choreography.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You got a lot of great audience chants. There was
we want tables and that's they wanted somebody going through it.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
And then they did it and they got out. It
was clear that later in the match that was supposed
to happen, but Roman Reigns heard the chance, walked over
to a table. You could tell he was like, all right,
I'll go with this, Like this doesn't happen right now
in the match, but if they want me to walk
over and just clear one off in the place, place
of place, And you could tell that was kind of
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him just listening to the audience and be like, all right,
let's so. It was really cool to hear how he
can stay in characters, stay on beat, but add something
to then go with the sun high like.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Challenge you with one thing. But I bet it was
part of it. You think two people went through two
different tables, both tables eventually needed to get cleared, and
you think.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
You think it was supposed to happen, all do it here.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Even if the chant didn't happen, the audience was just
one step ahead of what they were doing. And I
bet he was going to do that anyway. I bet
that was part of it, so that they had two
cleared off tables because it was sunk.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And the thought that I had about Our Boy World
episode was like, really kind of messed up that we
did two takes?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yes, so messed up.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
We've ruined We've ruined wrestling for a night. Yeah, what crap,
we should not have done that.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
No, I don't care, like figure.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It out, like you gotta use it.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Jeff McCracken, I have words like he really he asserted
Boy meets World reality over the wrestling, and I'm like,
that sucks.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
That well, that's why apparently.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Because it was like this we had so we did
it twice. We made the whole.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Audience participate in TV show tape.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah bummer. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Because when I was watching tonight and they were like,
we're gonna start the match over again, it would be
like the biggest violation.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Of what we're here for.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I'd be yelling Boy meets World sucks too at that point,
because it is it's taking you completely, yeah, completely out
of the match. I imagine in the middle of us
shooting our show, in the middle of a scene, they
decided to also shoot part of a family matters and
they're like, you guys need to start over because we
messed up our Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Not cool, really not cool. Actually, like it.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Was like it was like this would be so awful.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I love that you actually thought of that there, and
we're like, I'm gonna put myself in their shoes. Oh,
this is bad for the.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Performers and for the audience. Not cool.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
It's not like and like also like we could have
done it afterwards, I feel like if it was a
shot is because issue like Jeff McCracken must have not
gotten something he needed. Yes, because I don't think it
was performance based. But then to make them redo part
of the fight.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Yeah, not cool. Not cool. I also want to say,
I think I said this the last time after raw
and now this is my second time, and it's it's
absolutely one hundred percent because I'm such a nerd. I
love different nerdoms, uh and fandoms. The fans are incredible.
Oh yeah, they're the nicest people. They're all in on
each other, they're chanting at the same time, they're cool
(25:53):
next to each other. It's it was great.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I mean once again all the fans.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Will was recognized left and right.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
I think we because Will was sitting next to Danielle
Fishing official left and right. So yes, it's hard not
to recognize.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Oh, I don't think that's it. I think you have
to stop saying you never get recognized again.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Let's put I will put it this way.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
You're right, I definitely get recognized when I'm with you.
So yeah, that's your one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
We would be really failing our audience if we didn't
talk about the ending of the main event, big, big
spoiler alert. If you if you are there again, you
don't want to know the ending of the main event,
then turn it off right now, GIP or turn us off.
But Paul Hayman, who has known Roman Reigns and Sumpunk
(26:57):
for twenty plus years, it's your whole career, is right, Yeah,
has been involved from the ground up with both of them.
And it was a big thing. Oh, who's he gonna
be with He's he gonna go with Roman? Is he
gonna go with them Punk? And it looked like for
sure he had chosen Punk, And I don't think it
was really on the bingo card that he was gonna
(27:18):
turn on Punk, but he did. He turned on Punk.
He handed a chair to Punk to use on Roman reins,
and then right when Punk raised the chair, Paul assaulted
CM Punk between the legs, which knocked CM Punk to
(27:39):
the ground. And then Paul took the chair and he
handed it to Roman, and it was like, oh, Man
gone back with Roman. Wow, this whole thing was a ruse.
He's not you'll switcheroo. But then Roman picked up the
chair and Paul did the same thing to him. Room
(28:02):
double insulted injury.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Double switcher room my friend.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
He is now partnered and paired up with the seth Rawlins,
who was the winner of the match, but.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Not the winner of WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
No, no, there's not no there he did. They actually
didn't even win a belt. That wasn't for it, that
wasn't for a championship belt.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Ryder brings up a good question.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
So this is a two night event tomorrow, is there
a WrestleMania champion, like somebody wins just WRESTLEMANI tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Is John Cena versus Cody Rhodes.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Right, But that's for a belt. That's for a belt
that's not that's not WrestleMania champion.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
But it's still kind of WrestleMania champion. John Cena's whole
thing this is, you know, John Cena's had the biggest
heel turn of all time. We've talked about it a
little bit in some of our interviews. He's been the
number one babyface, the baby and now not only is
he a heel to wrestlers, he's even a heel to
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the fans. He's just pissed and his big thing has
been I am coming back to win WrestleMania and then
I'm leaving forever. And I am just curious if that's
if it's true, it's true, and if he wins tomorrow,
(29:24):
is there a bigger heel thing than saying I've lied
to all of you. I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
I'm your It's seriously the emperor from Star Wars, who's
not going to sit on his throat exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I'm now the king.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
So for the record, I've beaten John Cena.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Excuse me, you heard me.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
I've beaten Johnson beaten John Cena and what well the
only thing we would go up against each other for
a role. And so he apparently auditioned to play ron Stoppable?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Possible?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
What really? Pipe and hot tea?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
The rumor is apparently John Cena auditioned to play ron
Stoppable and I kicked his ass. Wow?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Wow, Yeah, that's all I got. I dare you to
say that.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I would be happy to say it to his face.
By the way, if that is not true, then I'm sorry, okay,
and I will do whatever he needs so he doesn't
hit me in the face. I like this, and I
think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I like this for sure. Yeah, who were you hoping
was going to win the main event between Roman Reigns,
seth Rawlins and CM Punk.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
You know me in loyalty, Yeah, and you guys brought
me into the wrestling world, and you guys are all
big CM punk fans were. So if you're all in
for Punk and we're all family, then I'm I'm rooting
for Punk too. So I was hoping that your friend
CM punk was was going to win.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah. This was the biggest night of Cmpunk's life.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And one he'd been working.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Seeing his opening package.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Right where you see how young he was.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Seeing his package is something I wish I didn't say,
but seeing the video they put on.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The video pack, how long he'd been there.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
How young he was, how different he looked, amazing, really amazing, how.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
A big package.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Truly a career in the making. It has always been
his number one dream, like a lot of people, like
a lot of wrestlers, to main main event WrestleMania, and
uh he last year got injured and this year was
able to do it. I really did think Punk was
gonna win. I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
I think most people thought Pink was going to win,
which is why he couldn't. Because if you get in
there and you've got ninety percent of the audience thinking
one guy is gonna win. They got it.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
They can't let that guy win.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
He's got to be because, again going in in my
head with the very little I know about wrestling, it
was Roman Reigns and then CM Punk. One of those
guys had to win, and then there was the third guy.
So then halfway through a like, oh, they're gonna give
it to the third guy. Yeah, they're gonna give it's
(32:03):
all of a sudden, Pete Best is the best beatle
out of nowhere, and so that's about halfway through. It
was like, they're gonna give it to the guy that
nobody thinks is gonna win, and I don't know how
they're gonna get there, but that's gonna be their end game.
I kind of figured that was the way it was
gonna happen because it'll be a great challenge.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
A great little round.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Now a question for rules, because it's a it's a
three person match, so it's all three of them against
each other.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
First pin, yeah, first with yeah, so could.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Two guys gang up on a third and both of
them pin, just hold down one guy and just pin them?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:42):
But then you wouldn't work They're not the winner then,
But then you can work together and then make the
guy think you're gonna do something like that, then beat
him up and then pin someone. You would always want
to be the one.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Right, but you two guys can work together and tie.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
No, you would never want that. You never want to
take a tie, right.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
You want to be the one.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Interesting?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Uh, overall thoughts? You know, I'm going to go first
with overall thoughts, I think hearing what writer said, I
think that's a very valid point that WrestleMania is the
biggest and grandest, most detailed situation you could possibly find
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yourself in. That if you're going to try to get
someone into wrestling, maybe don't bring them to the biggest event. First,
get them in on the ground floor, getting to know
the characters a little bit. So I think maybe we
did you a little bit of a disservice by having
WrestleMania be your first. But would you go to another
wrestling event? Were your overall thoughts? Writer, I'd like to.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Go to a smaller one for sure, and I'd like
to be.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I always I always get overwhelmed when there's lore that
I don't know, right, right, Like I've always been intimidated
to like get into stuff like this is why I
never got into comic books.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
This is sue with Yeah, I never as a.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Kid, I could never start comic books because I was
always like I don't know which X men to get
into to start, you know, and like now and nowadays,
I feel like there's like guides on the internet, so
I could probably do it, like you could find the primer.
But yeah, so I was a little like overwhelmed and
like I'm immediately like this is so I don't know
(34:26):
what what the answer to that would be for me,
but you know, ultimately, like I do think that the culture,
like even though I can appreciate the storytelling and the
athleticism and like the fact of these characters and the
depth of this like world, I'm not sure it's all
for me, you know what I mean. Like it's just not,
like I said, it's sort of like it's a pseudo
sporting event. I don't like sporting.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Events to begin with.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
So even even if like the fiction is developed and
interesting and it's still kind of ultimately about people beating
each other up, which is like not really my thing.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
So like you know, or like I don't so ultimately,
like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
But if I could see like the introduction of a
new character and like be there for their first fight,
or like, I don't know, something that would be kind
of like the indie way in maybe i'd be into it,
you know, or like definitely a smaller match, like being
closer to the action and like watching the people do
their thing and being able to hear them talk, or
I don't know, something like that would be kind of
(35:20):
they'd probably.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Be better for me.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Well what about you? What do you think? You've now
been to two wrestling events Raw, the first one ever
on Netflix and then.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
And then I don't disagree with Ryder in certain ways,
I am I Again, Susan is exactly the same way.
And one of the things she hates more than anything
is when I drag her one of these Marvel movies
or something like that and somebody comes on the screen
and I go, oh, yeah, and she's like, what the
hell does that mean? She doesn't like that, And I
can see why people tune out with that. I thought
(35:52):
I had more fun at RAW because the venue was
smaller and we had much closer seats. Yeah, so it
was like we were part of the action at raw
was very close to me. They were throwing wrestlers literally
five feet from us at row, which obviously makes your
experience different.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Sitting side is yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
That being said, I am a nerd and I love fandoms.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I am.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
I just love fandoms. I love the languages that are
involved in that. Everybody's got it. They all have their
own cultures, they all have their own norms, they all
have their own dress codes, they all and I love
learning new ones. Microworlds are like my favorite thing. So
going to these and learning the world and today I
had already. While I certainly am not fluent, I was
(36:36):
conversational in wrestling totally to where now that I was there,
I knew who to root for a little bit, I
knew some of the hand gestures to do. I knew
when to chan and when not to chan, and when
to boo and when not to boo. So picking that
stuff up was great. And and sitting next to Rider,
who had three of the biggest hot dogs ever. I'm
always one no, but I'm just saying, I'm your fan
(36:59):
of giant hot dogs. I am a fan of big
giant hot dogs and mega packages, Mega but no, so
I again, I liked it. I would definitely go to
another one. I preferred it in the smaller venue than
the big giant Venueah, but that's just me. That's for
most things I prefer. I don't go to a lot
of concerts, but I much prefer being at a place
that seats one hundred and thirty five people to listen
(37:22):
to music then in place that seats one hundred and
thirty five thousands. So I think I kind of agree
with Rider there. But I like the nerdom and I
really love the fans, so I'm yeah, I'm in. Well
do I will I go home and watch it all
the time?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Probably not, but I'll follow it enough to where when
we go to another one, and I hope we do,
I will stay conversational in wrestling, and I think that's
a that's a fun way to do it. I also
have an idea for writer to get into the world
if he were allowed to fully create a character for
a wrestler, like backstory, everything, yeah, and then apply it
(37:56):
to that wrestler and then develop it to the point
where you work on it the wrestler and then you
get to go see them him or her. Winner lose
their first match. I think you'd be in hook Latin sinker.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah. Is there like a fantasy football league, like for
like is there a way to play? I don't know, Yeah,
that'd be cool.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, I mean I think fund ofment, you know, going
back to that advice of like don't overanalyze it.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I like overanalyzing things I do. Like that's what I
like about books.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
It's like you get with it over and like even
like music, like the music I like tends to be
the stuff that like the lyrics are take you five what.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
We do with our podcast exactly, it's my dream.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You know.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
It's like I go to a concert, I'm fine, Like
I want to sit down and just enjoy the concert,
you know, like in that over analysis mode. So like
this sort of like I mean the sporting events or
not that, like sporting events are.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Like live in the moment, see it happened, Like this.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Is not my style, Like I'm just never going to
be that person who's like fully into that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
So well, totally fair. I had I had a blast
with both of you.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
What were your thoughts on WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I thought WrestleMania was great. I thought there was some lulls.
I found there to be some lulls.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I'm the first match was amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I well, part of the reason I thought the first
match was amazing is because my son Adler is a
big jay Uso fan, okay, and so I am a
j Uso fan. And to see, you know, I think
that anytime you're in a crowd of sixty one thousand
people and it appears as though fifty nine thousand of
(39:44):
them are chanting the same thing, and they he is
a superstar. And to watch him he was making his
entrance all the directly across from where we were sitting.
To see him make his entrance slowly down, I mean
it definitely took a good twenty five minutes. It was
a slow walk, but but it was everyone singing his
(40:06):
song like I just love that. I love that kind
of spectacle and boy is he over, you know, like
he's just he's he's big time. So I thought that
was really fun and so that carried that went far
for me. But yeah, I thought there were some lulls.
I actually didn't love the Tiffy Charlotte Flair match as
(40:27):
much as you guys said that.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
You were saying that, you know, what I.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Think I missed that I'll say for sure is different
about WrestleMania than other wrestling events. I like the wrestlers
on the mic.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, that's what I wanted to. There were do that.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
They don't do that, and.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
So normally they do get to say something.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
But yeah, like yes, a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
They was expecting that. I kind of wanted to, like.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I want to see their personalities outside of just an entrance, yeah,
or holding a bell.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Okay, I thought I was just no. I don't know
why I had that in my mind that there was
going to be more of like.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I wanted that. I thought that would have really I thought,
if they could have cut the entrances down by half
and given them some some real life stuff on the mic, Well.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
When did they stop? Because when I first saw wrestling
as a kid, it was that bald guy with the
mustache who would interview them all right before their matches
and they're all going like, let me tell you something
like yeah, And so they're cutting kind of slicker promost
together where there's something about just doing the interview with
the guy sweating and screaming like I can't wait to
(41:31):
kill him in the ring tonight. Like, that's kind of cool,
and I missed that.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I have a very very weird memory that just came
back to me. I'm not sure if we've talked about
this in the podcast before, but do you remember the
opening scene for the Boy Meets World script that you
and I wrote together for during the first season of
Boy Meets World.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
I remember lines from it.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Do you remember what the well, I'm bringing it up
right now.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Of course, there's no way you're going to bring that up,
and we're going to end the podcast quickly. So you
should really think about this because there are people really
want to know what your script too.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Okay, let's just put it this way. We'll give you
one line and we'll talk about it in pre show chatter.
Let's get ready to thumble.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Oh my gosh, I can't believe it. You guys are
so funny.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Oh my god. We talked to April Kelly. I remember her.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
I think I was succeeed and you were thirteen, and
we were like, we're gonna go write a scrip with.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Stumble Ready stumble. Do you guys still have Oh god,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I'm not sure it was handwritten.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
No, we were definitely on a computer, the first person
I ever knew. Yeah, I either had movie magic or whatever.
The screenwriting program was ready.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Oh yeah, I want will I want you to talk
a little bit about Brett Hart and Triple H.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Okay, well it's just something, and again I could be
totally wrong, but it's just something I noticed. So they
were doing the inductee class. They're introducing the inductee class
of twenty twenty five for the Hall of Fame for.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
The w W wh which happened last night, happened last night, and.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
There was you know, it was Stone called Steve Austin
and Brett Hart for when they're both in already, but
I guess this was for a specific match that they did,
so that match was making it in. And there's a
couple other wrestlers that were there that I hadn't heard of,
our family members of wrestlers that were there because maybe
they had passed away. And then it was Triple H
and Triple H who also I think is married to
(43:26):
mc Stephanie and essentially now runs the company.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
With her correct creative Yeah, he's are creative.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Director or whatever. So he had this big entrance, like
the rest of them are all kind of standing on
stage and they did some very nice little packages. But
then they he came out and it was like they
like they were introing them like they did for one
of the other.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Wrestlers was introduced into.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
So big music all that stuff, and he walked down
the aisle kind of shaking everybody's hand. The first person
was Stone called Steve Boston, who shook his hand very politely,
and the next was Brett Hart, and I swear to god,
he shook his hand. Brett Hart. There's got to be
footage of it. Brett Hart kind of like gave him
a smirk, wasn't really looking, and then the second he
walked away, he gave this look where it was just
kind of like whatever, Like it looked like he did
(44:07):
not like him or what had just happened or something.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
But there was wait, well, there's a very long history here,
very long history. So Brett Hart, it has the most
infamous problem with the WWE in the nineties and he
got screwed. The reality became wrestling, Wrestling became reality.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
I was gonna say, this is real life, this is
not a bit.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
Well for w it was a bit, and then I'll
get into the reality. There's a match. Brett Hart is
leaving for the competition. They know it's going to happen.
You're supposed to respectfully let them lose and leave. But
Brett supposedly didn't want to lose. There was some sort
of problem going on, and they just made him lose,
like they count A referee counted two and then called
it as three, and Brett learned he was losing the match.
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In the ring, he punched Vince McMahon, who was running
the company at the time. Now luckily no longer punched
him in the face at backstage. It was all very real.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
So on camera there's a punch in the face.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
Documentary crew got it. Wow, not from ww A and
he played it years later. So, uh, that is Triple
H's best friend. So Triple H's best friend, Shawn Michaels
is the guy who basically beat him on a two
count it and that was the the Vince McMahon became
a bad guy, not only in real life, but a
bad guy wrestler, a wrestler, right, so that he it
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became he was just like a normal announcer. And then
now he screwed this dude over in real life and
in wrestling and so that was so you saw something
very ye that you noticed that that yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Yeah, it was like that something's going on there because
that guy just gave a weird face right when he
walked away. See, there's so much history of weirdness.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Well, you're you're very intuitive.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I don't know what to say to that.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
I've got Well, thank you all for joining us for
this incredible WrestleMania weekend. We had some incredible interviews. We
had so much fun at the event.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
This is a cool weekend.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
This was a really great weekend and we will be
back on Monday with our regular programming. There will be
an interview with Gary H. Miller and then on Thursday
we'll be doing a recap, So we'll see you later
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Whoo, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, that's what That's kind of
what I was.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Doing where you're going for Yeah, who.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm doing. I'm doing a celebration that is reminiscentage correct.
I'm not trying to domitations. I know you as per used.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
You're giving me woo. I want woo, perfect perfect.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
My notes mean nothing. I'm excited to hear your notes.
We have just come back from WrestleMania forty one in
Las Vegas. It was really fun. It's it's a long event,
and boy were there are a lot of people there,
over sixty one thousand people at Allegiant Stadium, so absolutely
(01:12):
sold out. I I before I tell you any of
my thoughts, I would love to hear, I'm going to
go right to what the people want to know, right
or strong? Your first WrestleMania, your first wrestling event.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Wrestling event since being in the ring.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yes, be part of what the n I have a
major thought about. But you know, we can get back.
I already talked to you a little bit about it.
I am exhausted. Yeah, it was a lot, Yes, it
was fun. I still it's fundamentally not my scene.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Uh huh, Yeah, it's it's a sporting event.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It's I mean, I know, it's it's more like I
got into the characters and the drama and all the
pageantry is like super but it's still fundamentally like going
to a sporting event.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's not my scene.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Like I definitely am like, wow, there's you know, a
lot going on. Indy was not super into it.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I was surprised by wasn't it at all? No, you know,
I was like, what did you think? And he was like,
it was cool.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And then he started imagining five Nights at Freddy's characters
wrestling and that got him very excited. So I was like, okay,
so you kind of get the vibe. But I think
he's he's into like more like horror fantasy stuff right now,
so wrestling, and again it's I think for him it
felt like a sporting thing.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So he was confused.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
He was like, I think if he had gotten into
some of the characters and he knew who some of
the characters.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Were, I feel like that was.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Like him going like, characters, I really know five Nights
of Freddy's, what if they were exactly? And I feel
him knowing them.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Me too, Like I didn't, you know, I thought maybe
there would be more scenes or like play like explanations
and they do the little pre pre role, but it
happened so fast and it was hard to hear, and
like nobody else is kind of paying attention, so I
was like watching it and being.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Like, wait, who attacked who?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
And what's the becks, and like, I feel like those
were mostly like little previews for everyone who already knows
all that stuff that is true, So I was a.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Little They're not laying a bunch of pipe for people
who new to the scene.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So I just kept trying to think.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I kept you know, I kept telling myself what Mark
told us, which was, you know, to just not obelief exactly, and.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
That's not my default mode.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
At the same time I was saying to you and
you weren't there going like oh this is terrible or
what doing this?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Or no more than anything, I just were kind.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Of getting not getting into it, but also not critically
analyzing everything they were.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Doing, but just feeling behind, feeling a little out of it.
And then I definitely much prefer watching women do the
actual fighting, especially because there's far more so much more acrobatic,
and I think there's something that sounds stupid, But there's
something about size, Like when you're watching big dudes like
hate each other, it's like it doesn't feel I know,
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it is very athletic, but it doesn't feel as like
sort of uh, visually acrobatic, you know, like whereas like
when you're watching smaller people flip and jump, it was.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
More like exciting.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I don't know, it was a weird I was like, oh,
much rather be watching the women fight.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It was it was cool.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I would definitely I will agree with you that women's
matches over the last several years have just become the
matches to watch. They are really the stars right now,
I think so.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
And also the moves, like the guy the male moves
I kind of knew even though I had never really
been to a wrestling but I knew a lot of.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Like suplex and power.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Well I was like, oh, they're doing that thing in
the area, whereas like with the women, I was like, whoa,
what is that? Like they're like wrapping their legs and
flipping each other in like newer ways. That just felt like, oh,
I haven't seen this or heard about this, so I
don't know that Maybe that was why I was a
little more because like the guys. I was like, oh yeah,
that's at the end. Also, we already had this. I
thought the first.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Fight was not that good.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I cannot believe.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I was like every then it got only better for me,
but still okay.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So the first fight tonight was Jay Usso against Gunther.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Gunther who is clearly supposed to be Ivan Drago from
Rocky Boy.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Does he ever just look like a man?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And I thought they were like they were, you know,
gonna make them something Soviet like somehow they and they
you know, he comes out of ice clay, you know,
king because he's been a Soviet from and they're like,
he's from Austria. And I'm like, Austria is a lovely country,
Like what is what's go to? Guntu probably be a
wonderful man. He come in to this ring if everybody struggle,
like what's the problem. But they clearly were going with him,
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like he didn't speak much. He's like supposed to be Drago.
But I liked that match match.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I love that so much.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Downtime, a lot of time out of the ring walking
around flowering. Yeah, there's a lot of glowering from both
of them, And I was like.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Where's the fighting guy, and I was like, is this
really what it's going to and then no, the other
fights were much more active. That one just felt very
tame to me and sort of like oddly like emotional
and like this angsty.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Like it was like, just let it out, guys fight
each other, and it's said it was like a lot
of just like possible.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well, I will definitely say it took jay Uso twenty
five minutes to get into the ring. His entrance music
and this if there were sixty one thousand people.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
There the last fight. The entrance was like a forty
five minutes set up the milk.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
They can't milk a walk We'll.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Literally see him punk on it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
When he finally got introduced and walked in, Indy turned
to me and Alex were like, I thought he already
walked in because everybody had stood up so we couldn't see, right,
And they had the pre roll for his pre entrance
showed images of him walking in, so they.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Were like, wait, he hasn't walked in yet, right, It
hasn't even started to.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Get The spectacle is massive, it really is.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I have to say one thing about tonight and see
it because writers are talking about Cmpunk's walking in. That
was very special for me to watch that because the
tape I listened to driving down from Connecticut on the
bus for three hours going to New York to audition,
over and over and over again to the point where
I literally wore it out was living color.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
And so they were there singing his entrance live Yes,
and it was like I was eleven years old again.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
On the bus.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I would just listen to it over and over and over,
and I was like, it's living color. It was really
cool for that was a cool moment.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
That was really fun. Okay, so our second match of
the night was New Day.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
New Days Day. We've told them that to their face.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I actually really like.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Missed their interest because I went and got a giant
hot dog three Yeah, but I only ate water.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm still full enormous in six hours since they're crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
But when I came back in, they were already fighting,
so I missed their intro.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
New Day was no, No, they're great there. So their
their storyline, Yes, they're amazing. Their storyline was that they
turned on the third member of their group, Biggie, and
Biggie is beloved and so they so now the new
thing is new Days, New Days up.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And it was so funny because the audience was so
much less into that match than they were in the
first match. But I was sitting there going, this is
such a better fight.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
There's more happening. There's so much athleticism, Like they were
really like good, that's.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
War Raiders.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
So the war Raiders that because one of the guys
was very it was a large dude, like a dude.
He was flipping around. It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
That's when I was like, Okay, this is the wrestling.
I kind of hoped for it.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
That's what I missed in the first match.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
That kind of like action and of course there's four
of them, so it's more stuff going on. But that
was way better to me, and then the rest of
the night it stayed at that level.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
It seems a little like the rules are a bit
willingly when it comes to the tag team.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Four people in there, two of them kept fighting one
of that that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Will I was like, aren't they supposed to only be
like that's a good mess.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I feel like the refs maybe are more there to
just be part of the show actually ref the match.
It seems like there's some breaking of the.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Rules, amusing rules and quotes see chair gets.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, exactly, they're cleaning off tables. And my favorite is
when it'll be like a tag team match and one
the refer walk up and be holding one guy like
in one corner, going like, don't do that. Where meanwhile,
five feet behind him, the other guy still beating.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Somebody in my chair.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
So it's like, I need you to stop. Stop.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So when you're at home watching it, you hear an
announcer yes, yes, okay, kind of. One of it's interesting
when you're in the room because it's quietest during a
match and you can't hear We were far enough away
that I couldn't hear anything, you know, other than the
big the big slams, and I was kind of it
was like strangely anti.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Actually yeah, when I don't. I haven't watched one at
home in a very long time. You hear when you're
at home, also what the wrestlers are saying to each other.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Some times, but you're not supposed to. That's only like
if a camera and of Mike happened to be nearby
and catch one, but they're.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Like yelling, you'd see them yelling at each other, and
I was like, well, I can't hear them, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
And you're not supposed to. It's supposed to be like yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I mean a lot of times that's in quiet moments,
they're actually talking about how they're feeling, what they do this,
giving each other cues, yes, giving each other cues.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I like, my I would kind of want to see
like a really small wrestling match.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Now I want to go, like where I can.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I want to watch, like I want to watch them
stay in character and like what they're saying to each
other being part.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Of it, because like this was so big. Yes, it
felt very I felt very far away.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I felt removed from the action, you know, and and
and yet I couldn't hear the comment commentator, so I
didn't get that.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Like to help me, I don't know. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
It is a pageant though, I mean, man, with the
the intro explosions going off and the music pumping, and
it's it's real the crowd that the crowd is his
own character, so everybody knows what to chant and when,
and it's they're doing the same kind of hand gestures
and all this stuff. It's really it's it's it's something,
it really is.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
The third match of the night had my favorite package,
which was the Jade Cargill Naomi fight that had that
incredible background story about Jade Cargill being injured on top
of the car.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Hard to keep up with the hard to keep up with,
like who got murdered? Right?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, no, No, I don't think it's an actual murder, murdered
an attack.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I think she's okay.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So wait, let me understand if I got it right,
because I was explaining it to write her, but I
wasn't sure I got the story right. Jade got beaten
up and they found her and they didn't know who
beat her up. Yes, she had a partner that she
would often tag team with. They obviously came to the
partner and said, well, your partner is down for the count.
We can't let you wrestle. Somebody else came up and said,
(12:02):
you know what, I'll wrestle with you. Wow. And then
they came to them and said, well, wait, we found
out who actually did it, and it looked like it
was live and somebody else that had performed the you know.
So then Jade gets back into it, but it turns
out it was actually the girl who volunteered to wrestle rack.
(12:23):
So I followed it.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You followed up to the.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yes, Okay, that's what I thought of, and that's even
I by the end was like, but it.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Was her, yes, exactly, yes, So that's what this crazy,
crazy match was about. We, I mean, the two of them.
Naomi is someone I have been a fan of for
a very long time. She's incredibly athletic. Her skills have
only improved over the years. She's gotten better and better.
(12:52):
And Jade is the person Mark Henry mentioned to us
as being his favorite female to watch, that she had
to be a superhero, is like a real life superhero,
which led.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Me to this question that I asked Will, which is like, what.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
If they actually involved like superpowers, like and and then
I realized, like they can't write, like there's something about
the wrestling that still.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Needs to be based in reality.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Real like it has to be physically.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Magical, right, but it would be kind.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Of cool, like it could there be like a whole
nother wrestling Harry Potter superheroin.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Penta is doing. What isn't that kind of what Penta
is doing? I don't even know what Penta is is
one of the wrestlers. He wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Street Yeah, like a whole league where like they have
actual weapons.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
The Undertaker, I go Undertaker, I think, yeah, something light
came out.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
The whole thing was like these are characters, these are
superheroes with like superpowers, and that one came in with
their own power and then you did like special effects on.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I was just gonna say, think about the Harry Potter
and the curse of this what I mean that that's
what I was thinking with those.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Like pyrotechnics literally or or is it like does it
ruin it because it's too far in the illusion direction?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Do you know what I mean? Like I wonder because
there's there's all there is.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
It's WWE from another another universe, right, I mean that's
what you do.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
It's total spin off. Yeah, but I think like for
the most part, this is more MMA focused.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It has to have that level, like you have to
kind of believe that at the end of the day,
these people really did beat each other up or not, because.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's the ultimate.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Okay, So, Producer Jensen, I know that you have been
obviously the biggest wrestling fan amongst all of us for
a much longer period of time. I noticed tonight because
I am a big mm A fan that there are
moves like the guillotine and rear naked chokes and stuff
like that. Was that always part of wrestling? Did you
have that in the eighties too, or are they doing
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more of that now that the MMA has become so popular.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
So Roman Greco wrestling was more around in the eighties
nineties that you saw like the souplex and whatever. Then
when MMA took over and wrestlers started to get into
it and become kind of MMA dudes themselves by going
to like, you know, different karate lessons, et cetera, then yes,
now you see all the rear chokes and all this
stuff like that more in the last ten years.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
So okay, So because I saw there's one fight that
ended tonight with a tap with a tap out, is
that a new thing tapping out in wrestling? No?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Tapouts have been for a long time. There was the
sharpshooter Brett Hart. Okay, So there's moves that have always
got people to tap out, but no, it's obviously much
more in the culture. And that's why you don't see
Harry Potter, And that's why you don't see it's because
they they are considered or considering themselves part of the
Mma family. Gotcha, they're owned by the same people you
have seen it.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, in WW gosh, I feel like there was a
lot more hidden than I thought.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Oh yes, no, that's before.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
That's always been far wrestling as like the big moves,
like the big ropes and the bouncing.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Those are truly these are the down times. That's like
when you're in yoga and you get to do a
downward dog and you're like, this is my rest. Totally,
that's their rest, right. If they were just doing tons
of big moves all the time, they'd be out of breath,
they'd be exhausted, they'd be dizzy. So they take you know,
the rest.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Okay, I and Jensen, you have to answer this question now.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Has anybody ever just like started a match and been
pinned within like thirty seconds?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Well?
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Absolutely, And our friend Chelsea Green is a good example
of it. Who was in the World Rumble match, which
is thirty competitors come out over like two minute intervals.
She ran out, she jumped up on the ropes and
then someone pushed her out. She was out the quickest
removal ever, so second then sentence and I went to
a wrestlman of years and years ago. My memory is garbage,
but there was a really fast, like twenty second match.
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Tops guy runs out, gets kicked in the face of
the boots, ends at one, two three. So it's happened
many times. Okay, we didn't see any tonight, but it happens.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Because I just you know, I was talking to Wil
I was like, what is the like the three X
structure of this.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, you know, because they are they are very structures.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And like he's very excitedly.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Okay, So as a former writer of ww Wrestling in
two thousand and five, this is my twenty years reunion.
There is a way that the heel gets on top
of it for a while. You get the booze, You
get that time when he looks up and stairs at
the audience of the audience booze. And then there's the comeback,
which is where the good guy obviously starts to come
back in a win. You see that, and then that's
the whole co mania.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Remember when he.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Used to like he used to like shake or do this.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, not too but he used to like shake up
like he would get put in a sleeperhole. They put
his arm up one two, and then on the third
one hold up and then and then he'd starts shaking. Yeah,
that's like the comeback, and so like then you're now
you're rooting for the good guy. And then the final
act is basically how it w end. Will the comeback
turn into a win? They'll get the heel again to go,
you know, to have one more moment there, and then
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the good guy would win or the bad guy win.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I also I also like one two always, why do
they why can't they break the pin on one?
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Because there's they always break because you always cut the
wire with two seconds left in the bottom sixty two
seconds left.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It doesn't make it. But the fact that there was
no variation tonight, like there.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Was there was one where someone got out on a one.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
We saw that because we were like one, yeah, in
the final match.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
In the final match, there was there was one where
someone on a one. Roman Reigns was out.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Good okay, because I was like, you got to break
this clicheance.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So we have the w W Women's Championship. The winner,
Tiffany Stratton, kept her belt again.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Pod friend, I'd like to say friend of.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
The friend of the friend of the pod, friend of
the pod.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, but not our champion.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
We're still still our champion. Live is our pod meets
world Champion? Yeah, what did you guys think of that match?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
The best fight of the night, best fight of the night.
For me, it was the most fun to watch. I
like both their characters.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, I mean, well.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Interestingly, I kind of both of their characters are like
not my style, Like I was definitely right.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I don't know, you know, Tiffany has like the she's
got the early girl.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah, my style I kind of like, but but they're
both like they both kind of seemed like heels to me,
like I was both. But it was a great fight
and so like Tiffany's gymnastics came out.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah see that the audience did.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Not like Charlotte Flair no, because yeah, but it was fun.
I got that. For me, it was the most fun
of the night.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Like, I don't disagree.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I really liked that fight.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I did. I thought I did. I thought it was again.
I thought the best person I saw all night was
was Jade. Yeah, who to me looked like she should
be cast in a Conan movie, should be cast as
one of the X Men. I mean, it was like
you could you built a like I said, a superhero.
It was amazing to watch it. The white hair, yeah,
and it was perfect. Entrance was great and it was
(19:44):
just so cool. But other than that, the best fight
I don't disagree was this Charlotte Flair fight.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I thought it was incredible, incredible, and so the last
fight was attitude of perfect.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
And also it went on like it got to this
point where they were both like lyne and I feel
like there's a lot of the like, you know, I'm
exhausted with them.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I was like, they're really exhausted.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
They should they should be because this is this It
felt like it just felt like they were working so hard,
and I was really impressed with both of them.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I was like totally into it.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I would say that I don't know who trains wrestlers,
but there's a very big problem that they need to address,
which is not a single wrestler ever even attempts a block.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I know you did say that.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
If you just what your hands was somebody blocked. I
remember somebody blocking the encounter.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
There's no blocking when they when they were when punkin,
was it Roman who or maybe it was Seth who
was punching each other hitting each other in the face,
back and forth. It was like, now it's your turn.
They just kept trading punches. It's like you know what's coming.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, you could just put up this hand and then
everything might get better with.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
The two blonde ladies too.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I was also like, that hair is a real liabil,
Like you would never actually let that hair fly, but
it looks dramatic.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Put your hair in a braid.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
God, but that also shows what when she was talking
about the hair matches where you have hair like that
and then they shave it at the end, if you
use that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
We saw l A. Knight against Jacob Fatu. That was
a really l A Knights guy came out in the car.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
He was the fan of the audience certainly, like he
was the one they wanted to win.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So was he not?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean I felt like people were really cheering for Jacob.
I really thought, like, who was the heel in that situation?
Good question, Jacob Jacob.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Yeah, Jacobo's the heel there, but a cool heel. Yeah, okay,
so a little different people.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I kind of thought he was one of the better
actors to yeah scaring hinge. Like I was like this
guy is really committed. I've never seen I didn't, you know,
I never heard him speak, but I was like, this guy,
I'd like to see this guy in a movie. Like
this guy acting.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
You leaned over to me and you're like, he's growling.
I think he's growling.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, you're you know, you're going for it, man.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
He was great.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Also worth mentioning the first three matches of the night,
there were belt turnovers that the person hold you know,
trying to keep their belt lost it.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
The only person who kept their belt all night was Tiffany.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Tiffany, it's exactly right. And then that brings us to
the very last match of the evening, which was a
three way match between seth Rawlins, CM Punk and Roman Reigns.
Really incredible athleticism.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
And choreography of choreography.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You got a lot of great audience chants. There was
we want tables and that's they wanted somebody going through it.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
And then they did it and they got out. It
was clear that later in the match that was supposed
to happen, but Roman Reigns heard the chance, walked over
to a table. You could tell he was like, all right,
I'll go with this, Like this doesn't happen right now
in the match, but if they want me to walk
over and just clear one off in the place, place
of place, And you could tell that was kind of
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him just listening to the audience and be like, all right,
let's so. It was really cool to hear how he
can stay in characters, stay on beat, but add something
to then go with the sun high like.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Challenge you with one thing. But I bet it was
part of it. You think two people went through two
different tables, both tables eventually needed to get cleared, and
you think.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
You think it was supposed to happen, all do it here.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Even if the chant didn't happen, the audience was just
one step ahead of what they were doing. And I
bet he was going to do that anyway. I bet
that was part of it, so that they had two
cleared off tables because it was sunk.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And the thought that I had about Our Boy World
episode was like, really kind of messed up that we
did two takes?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yes, so messed up.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
We've ruined We've ruined wrestling for a night. Yeah, what crap,
we should not have done that.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
No, I don't care, like figure.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It out, like you gotta use it.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Jeff McCracken, I have words like he really he asserted
Boy meets World reality over the wrestling, and I'm like,
that sucks.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
That well, that's why apparently.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Because it was like this we had so we did
it twice. We made the whole.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Audience participate in TV show tape.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah bummer. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Because when I was watching tonight and they were like,
we're gonna start the match over again, it would be
like the biggest violation.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Of what we're here for.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I'd be yelling Boy meets World sucks too at that point,
because it is it's taking you completely, yeah, completely out
of the match. I imagine in the middle of us
shooting our show, in the middle of a scene, they
decided to also shoot part of a family matters and
they're like, you guys need to start over because we
messed up our Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Not cool, really not cool. Actually, like it.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Was like it was like this would be so awful.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I love that you actually thought of that there, and
we're like, I'm gonna put myself in their shoes. Oh,
this is bad for the.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Performers and for the audience. Not cool.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
It's not like and like also like we could have
done it afterwards, I feel like if it was a
shot is because issue like Jeff McCracken must have not
gotten something he needed. Yes, because I don't think it
was performance based. But then to make them redo part
of the fight.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Yeah, not cool. Not cool. I also want to say,
I think I said this the last time after raw
and now this is my second time, and it's it's
absolutely one hundred percent because I'm such a nerd. I
love different nerdoms, uh and fandoms. The fans are incredible.
Oh yeah, they're the nicest people. They're all in on
each other, they're chanting at the same time, they're cool
(25:53):
next to each other. It's it was great.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I mean once again all the fans.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Will was recognized left and right.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
I think we because Will was sitting next to Danielle
Fishing official left and right. So yes, it's hard not
to recognize.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Oh, I don't think that's it. I think you have
to stop saying you never get recognized again.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Let's put I will put it this way.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
You're right, I definitely get recognized when I'm with you.
So yeah, that's your one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
We would be really failing our audience if we didn't
talk about the ending of the main event, big, big
spoiler alert. If you if you are there again, you
don't want to know the ending of the main event,
then turn it off right now, GIP or turn us off.
But Paul Hayman, who has known Roman Reigns and Sumpunk
(26:57):
for twenty plus years, it's your whole career, is right, Yeah,
has been involved from the ground up with both of them.
And it was a big thing. Oh, who's he gonna
be with He's he gonna go with Roman? Is he
gonna go with them Punk? And it looked like for
sure he had chosen Punk, And I don't think it
was really on the bingo card that he was gonna
(27:18):
turn on Punk, but he did. He turned on Punk.
He handed a chair to Punk to use on Roman reins,
and then right when Punk raised the chair, Paul assaulted
CM Punk between the legs, which knocked CM Punk to
(27:39):
the ground. And then Paul took the chair and he
handed it to Roman, and it was like, oh, Man
gone back with Roman. Wow, this whole thing was a ruse.
He's not you'll switcheroo. But then Roman picked up the
chair and Paul did the same thing to him. Room
(28:02):
double insulted injury.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Double switcher room my friend.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
He is now partnered and paired up with the seth Rawlins,
who was the winner of the match, but.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Not the winner of WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
No, no, there's not no there he did. They actually
didn't even win a belt. That wasn't for it, that
wasn't for a championship belt.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Ryder brings up a good question.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
So this is a two night event tomorrow, is there
a WrestleMania champion, like somebody wins just WRESTLEMANI tomorrow?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Is John Cena versus Cody Rhodes.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Right, But that's for a belt. That's for a belt
that's not that's not WrestleMania champion.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
But it's still kind of WrestleMania champion. John Cena's whole
thing this is, you know, John Cena's had the biggest
heel turn of all time. We've talked about it a
little bit in some of our interviews. He's been the
number one babyface, the baby and now not only is
he a heel to wrestlers, he's even a heel to
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the fans. He's just pissed and his big thing has
been I am coming back to win WrestleMania and then
I'm leaving forever. And I am just curious if that's
if it's true, it's true, and if he wins tomorrow,
(29:24):
is there a bigger heel thing than saying I've lied
to all of you. I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
I'm your It's seriously the emperor from Star Wars, who's
not going to sit on his throat exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I'm now the king.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
So for the record, I've beaten John Cena.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Excuse me, you heard me.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
I've beaten Johnson beaten John Cena and what well the
only thing we would go up against each other for
a role. And so he apparently auditioned to play ron Stoppable?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Possible?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
What really? Pipe and hot tea?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
The rumor is apparently John Cena auditioned to play ron
Stoppable and I kicked his ass. Wow?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Wow, Yeah, that's all I got. I dare you to
say that.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I would be happy to say it to his face.
By the way, if that is not true, then I'm sorry, okay,
and I will do whatever he needs so he doesn't
hit me in the face. I like this, and I
think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I like this for sure. Yeah, who were you hoping
was going to win the main event between Roman Reigns,
seth Rawlins and CM Punk.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
You know me in loyalty, Yeah, and you guys brought
me into the wrestling world, and you guys are all
big CM punk fans were. So if you're all in
for Punk and we're all family, then I'm I'm rooting
for Punk too. So I was hoping that your friend
CM punk was was going to win.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah. This was the biggest night of Cmpunk's life.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And one he'd been working.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Seeing his opening package.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Right where you see how young he was.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Seeing his package is something I wish I didn't say,
but seeing the video they put on.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
The video pack, how long he'd been there.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
How young he was, how different he looked, amazing, really amazing, how.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
A big package.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Truly a career in the making. It has always been
his number one dream, like a lot of people, like
a lot of wrestlers, to main main event WrestleMania, and
uh he last year got injured and this year was
able to do it. I really did think Punk was
gonna win. I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
I think most people thought Pink was going to win,
which is why he couldn't. Because if you get in
there and you've got ninety percent of the audience thinking
one guy is gonna win. They got it.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
They can't let that guy win.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
He's got to be because, again going in in my
head with the very little I know about wrestling, it
was Roman Reigns and then CM Punk. One of those
guys had to win, and then there was the third guy.
So then halfway through a like, oh, they're gonna give
it to the third guy. Yeah, they're gonna give it's
(32:03):
all of a sudden, Pete Best is the best beatle
out of nowhere, and so that's about halfway through. It
was like, they're gonna give it to the guy that
nobody thinks is gonna win, and I don't know how
they're gonna get there, but that's gonna be their end game.
I kind of figured that was the way it was
gonna happen because it'll be a great challenge.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
A great little round.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Now a question for rules, because it's a it's a
three person match, so it's all three of them against
each other.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
First pin, yeah, first with yeah, so could.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Two guys gang up on a third and both of
them pin, just hold down one guy and just pin them?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:42):
But then you wouldn't work They're not the winner then,
But then you can work together and then make the
guy think you're gonna do something like that, then beat
him up and then pin someone. You would always want
to be the one.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Right, but you two guys can work together and tie.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
No, you would never want that. You never want to
take a tie, right.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
You want to be the one.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Interesting?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Uh, overall thoughts? You know, I'm going to go first
with overall thoughts, I think hearing what writer said, I
think that's a very valid point that WrestleMania is the
biggest and grandest, most detailed situation you could possibly find
(33:21):
yourself in. That if you're going to try to get
someone into wrestling, maybe don't bring them to the biggest event. First,
get them in on the ground floor, getting to know
the characters a little bit. So I think maybe we
did you a little bit of a disservice by having
WrestleMania be your first. But would you go to another
wrestling event? Were your overall thoughts? Writer, I'd like to.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Go to a smaller one for sure, and I'd like
to be.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I always I always get overwhelmed when there's lore that
I don't know, right, right, Like I've always been intimidated
to like get into stuff like this is why I
never got into comic books.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
This is sue with Yeah, I never as a.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Kid, I could never start comic books because I was
always like I don't know which X men to get
into to start, you know, and like now and nowadays,
I feel like there's like guides on the internet, so
I could probably do it, like you could find the primer.
But yeah, so I was a little like overwhelmed and
like I'm immediately like this is so I don't know
(34:26):
what what the answer to that would be for me,
but you know, ultimately, like I do think that the culture,
like even though I can appreciate the storytelling and the
athleticism and like the fact of these characters and the
depth of this like world, I'm not sure it's all
for me, you know what I mean. Like it's just not,
like I said, it's sort of like it's a pseudo
sporting event. I don't like sporting.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Events to begin with.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
So even even if like the fiction is developed and
interesting and it's still kind of ultimately about people beating
each other up, which is like not really my thing.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
So like you know, or like I don't so ultimately,
like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
But if I could see like the introduction of a
new character and like be there for their first fight,
or like, I don't know, something that would be kind
of like the indie way in maybe i'd be into it,
you know, or like definitely a smaller match, like being
closer to the action and like watching the people do
their thing and being able to hear them talk, or
I don't know, something like that would be kind of
(35:20):
they'd probably.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Be better for me.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Well what about you? What do you think? You've now
been to two wrestling events Raw, the first one ever
on Netflix and then.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
And then I don't disagree with Ryder in certain ways,
I am I Again, Susan is exactly the same way.
And one of the things she hates more than anything
is when I drag her one of these Marvel movies
or something like that and somebody comes on the screen
and I go, oh, yeah, and she's like, what the
hell does that mean? She doesn't like that, And I
can see why people tune out with that. I thought
(35:52):
I had more fun at RAW because the venue was
smaller and we had much closer seats. Yeah, so it
was like we were part of the action at raw
was very close to me. They were throwing wrestlers literally
five feet from us at row, which obviously makes your
experience different.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Sitting side is yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
That being said, I am a nerd and I love fandoms.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I am.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
I just love fandoms. I love the languages that are
involved in that. Everybody's got it. They all have their
own cultures, they all have their own norms, they all
have their own dress codes, they all and I love
learning new ones. Microworlds are like my favorite thing. So
going to these and learning the world and today I
had already. While I certainly am not fluent, I was
(36:36):
conversational in wrestling totally to where now that I was there,
I knew who to root for a little bit, I
knew some of the hand gestures to do. I knew
when to chan and when not to chan, and when
to boo and when not to boo. So picking that
stuff up was great. And and sitting next to Rider,
who had three of the biggest hot dogs ever. I'm
always one no, but I'm just saying, I'm your fan
(36:59):
of giant hot dogs. I am a fan of big
giant hot dogs and mega packages, Mega but no, so
I again, I liked it. I would definitely go to
another one. I preferred it in the smaller venue than
the big giant Venueah, but that's just me. That's for
most things I prefer. I don't go to a lot
of concerts, but I much prefer being at a place
that seats one hundred and thirty five people to listen
(37:22):
to music then in place that seats one hundred and
thirty five thousands. So I think I kind of agree
with Rider there. But I like the nerdom and I
really love the fans, so I'm yeah, I'm in. Well
do I will I go home and watch it all
the time?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Probably not, but I'll follow it enough to where when
we go to another one, and I hope we do,
I will stay conversational in wrestling, and I think that's
a that's a fun way to do it. I also
have an idea for writer to get into the world
if he were allowed to fully create a character for
a wrestler, like backstory, everything, yeah, and then apply it
(37:56):
to that wrestler and then develop it to the point
where you work on it the wrestler and then you
get to go see them him or her. Winner lose
their first match. I think you'd be in hook Latin sinker.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah. Is there like a fantasy football league, like for
like is there a way to play? I don't know, Yeah,
that'd be cool.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, I mean I think fund ofment, you know, going
back to that advice of like don't overanalyze it.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I like overanalyzing things I do. Like that's what I
like about books.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
It's like you get with it over and like even
like music, like the music I like tends to be
the stuff that like the lyrics are take you five what.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
We do with our podcast exactly, it's my dream.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You know.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
It's like I go to a concert, I'm fine, Like
I want to sit down and just enjoy the concert,
you know, like in that over analysis mode. So like
this sort of like I mean the sporting events or
not that, like sporting events are.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Like live in the moment, see it happened, Like this.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Is not my style, Like I'm just never going to
be that person who's like fully into that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
So well, totally fair. I had I had a blast
with both of you.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
What were your thoughts on WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I thought WrestleMania was great. I thought there was some lulls.
I found there to be some lulls.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I'm the first match was amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I well, part of the reason I thought the first
match was amazing is because my son Adler is a
big jay Uso fan, okay, and so I am a
j Uso fan. And to see, you know, I think
that anytime you're in a crowd of sixty one thousand
people and it appears as though fifty nine thousand of
(39:44):
them are chanting the same thing, and they he is
a superstar. And to watch him he was making his
entrance all the directly across from where we were sitting.
To see him make his entrance slowly down, I mean
it definitely took a good twenty five minutes. It was
a slow walk, but but it was everyone singing his
(40:06):
song like I just love that. I love that kind
of spectacle and boy is he over, you know, like
he's just he's he's big time. So I thought that
was really fun and so that carried that went far
for me. But yeah, I thought there were some lulls.
I actually didn't love the Tiffy Charlotte Flair match as
(40:27):
much as you guys said that.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
You were saying that, you know, what I.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Think I missed that I'll say for sure is different
about WrestleMania than other wrestling events. I like the wrestlers
on the mic.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, that's what I wanted to. There were do that.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
They don't do that, and.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
So normally they do get to say something.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
But yeah, like yes, a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
They was expecting that. I kind of wanted to, like.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I want to see their personalities outside of just an entrance, yeah,
or holding a bell.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Okay, I thought I was just no. I don't know
why I had that in my mind that there was
going to be more of like.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I wanted that. I thought that would have really I thought,
if they could have cut the entrances down by half
and given them some some real life stuff on the mic, Well.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
When did they stop? Because when I first saw wrestling
as a kid, it was that bald guy with the
mustache who would interview them all right before their matches
and they're all going like, let me tell you something
like yeah, And so they're cutting kind of slicker promost
together where there's something about just doing the interview with
the guy sweating and screaming like I can't wait to
(41:31):
kill him in the ring tonight. Like, that's kind of cool,
and I missed that.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I have a very very weird memory that just came
back to me. I'm not sure if we've talked about
this in the podcast before, but do you remember the
opening scene for the Boy Meets World script that you
and I wrote together for during the first season of
Boy Meets World.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
I remember lines from it.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Do you remember what the well, I'm bringing it up
right now.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Of course, there's no way you're going to bring that up,
and we're going to end the podcast quickly. So you
should really think about this because there are people really
want to know what your script too.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Okay, let's just put it this way. We'll give you
one line and we'll talk about it in pre show chatter.
Let's get ready to thumble.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Oh my gosh, I can't believe it. You guys are
so funny.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Oh my god. We talked to April Kelly. I remember her.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
I think I was succeeed and you were thirteen, and
we were like, we're gonna go write a scrip with.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Stumble Ready stumble. Do you guys still have Oh god,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I'm not sure it was handwritten.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
No, we were definitely on a computer, the first person
I ever knew. Yeah, I either had movie magic or whatever.
The screenwriting program was ready.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Oh yeah, I want will I want you to talk
a little bit about Brett Hart and Triple H.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Okay, well it's just something, and again I could be
totally wrong, but it's just something I noticed. So they
were doing the inductee class. They're introducing the inductee class
of twenty twenty five for the Hall of Fame for.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
The w W wh which happened last night, happened last night, and.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
There was you know, it was Stone called Steve Austin
and Brett Hart for when they're both in already, but
I guess this was for a specific match that they did,
so that match was making it in. And there's a
couple other wrestlers that were there that I hadn't heard of,
our family members of wrestlers that were there because maybe
they had passed away. And then it was Triple H
and Triple H who also I think is married to
(43:26):
mc Stephanie and essentially now runs the company.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
With her correct creative Yeah, he's are creative.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Director or whatever. So he had this big entrance, like
the rest of them are all kind of standing on
stage and they did some very nice little packages. But
then they he came out and it was like they
like they were introing them like they did for one
of the other.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Wrestlers was introduced into.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
So big music all that stuff, and he walked down
the aisle kind of shaking everybody's hand. The first person
was Stone called Steve Boston, who shook his hand very politely,
and the next was Brett Hart, and I swear to god,
he shook his hand. Brett Hart. There's got to be
footage of it. Brett Hart kind of like gave him
a smirk, wasn't really looking, and then the second he
walked away, he gave this look where it was just
kind of like whatever, Like it looked like he did
(44:07):
not like him or what had just happened or something.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
But there was wait, well, there's a very long history here,
very long history. So Brett Hart, it has the most
infamous problem with the WWE in the nineties and he
got screwed. The reality became wrestling, Wrestling became reality.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
I was gonna say, this is real life, this is
not a bit.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
Well for w it was a bit, and then I'll
get into the reality. There's a match. Brett Hart is
leaving for the competition. They know it's going to happen.
You're supposed to respectfully let them lose and leave. But
Brett supposedly didn't want to lose. There was some sort
of problem going on, and they just made him lose,
like they count A referee counted two and then called
it as three, and Brett learned he was losing the match.
(44:50):
In the ring, he punched Vince McMahon, who was running
the company at the time. Now luckily no longer punched
him in the face at backstage. It was all very real.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
So on camera there's a punch in the face.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
Documentary crew got it. Wow, not from ww A and
he played it years later. So, uh, that is Triple
H's best friend. So Triple H's best friend, Shawn Michaels
is the guy who basically beat him on a two
count it and that was the the Vince McMahon became
a bad guy, not only in real life, but a
bad guy wrestler, a wrestler, right, so that he it
(45:24):
became he was just like a normal announcer. And then
now he screwed this dude over in real life and
in wrestling and so that was so you saw something
very ye that you noticed that that yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Yeah, it was like that something's going on there because
that guy just gave a weird face right when he
walked away. See, there's so much history of weirdness.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Well, you're you're very intuitive.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I don't know what to say to that.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
I've got Well, thank you all for joining us for
this incredible WrestleMania weekend. We had some incredible interviews. We
had so much fun at the event.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
This is a cool weekend.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
This was a really great weekend and we will be
back on Monday with our regular programming. There will be
an interview with Gary H. Miller and then on Thursday
we'll be doing a recap, So we'll see you later
this week. Pod Meets World is an iHeart podcast produced
and hosted by Danielle Fischel, Wilfridell and Wrter Strong. Executive
producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman. Executive in charge of production,
(46:21):
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