Shiloh Strong Meets World

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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Indies recently rediscovered swings, like just how fun swings are,
and so I took them, took them to our park
and you know, we walked to the park near us
and I was putting them on the swings, and then
I was thinking about our rope swing. Do you guys
remember the rope swing at our house?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, in Redwood chair. Yeah, that was the most that
was the most fun thing ever. And the next time
I went it had been taken down because somebody had
broken their arm.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
No, they're back.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Oh even better, Okay, let.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Us people breaking their backs around you. Yeah, it's a thing.
It's an adventure. Yeah. So we had so we where
we grew up, there was a a guy who owned
like the acreage below us, and so we would always
end up on his property. And it was this Russian
guy named Serge old God, yes, of course it st

(01:13):
for Sergio. I don't know. We just knew him as
Papa Surge. That's what we call him.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
He he was actually, you know, in retrospect, probably the
nicest guy in the world. But we were terrified of
him because we were always sneaking onto his property and
he had a bunch of dogs. But he also had
this giant rope swing and I don't even know if
he had put it up or if it was on
the property left over from loggers, I don't know, but
it swung out over this lake on his property, and

(01:44):
we knew about, you know, he would bring us out.
We would go over there with our parents as kids
and like, swing on this rope swing. It was epic.
You could let go of the rope and jump in
the water. And then, of course as we got older,
we started sneaking over at night to swing on the
swing at night, and that became like we would be
each other and go and do it, and we'd be
terrified of the dogs and the surge going to catch us.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
So what time was this, Like how old were you
and at what time were you sneaking out of your parents'
house at night to break into a neighbor's yard that
had violent dogs to swing on a rope.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
So we started camping out in our meadow at the
base of the edge of our property, and that so
we would already be there like on the edge of
the property, and then it would be like you want
to make a mission, and so that would be ten
eleven years old. That started and then we would you know,
big camp out. Sometimes it would be like ten of us,

(02:37):
sometimes it would just be three of us, four of us.
And then yeah, so then we would start to make
missions into the woods, into surges woods and try and
find the ropes swing in the dark and like at night,
and we wouldn't use our flashlights to be terrified of
getting caught. And then we'd swing on the ropes wing
and it was like so exciting but also you know, terrified.
And then when we were when I was, I guess

(03:00):
fourteen or fifteen, so Shiloh would have been. He was
definitely sixteen at the time. So yeah, so he's sixteen,
and he decided that we should have our own ropes
wing on our property. And so he did all this
research and figured out how to build this incredible ropes
swing that required He had a friend who worked for

(03:21):
a tree trimming company or whatever. So they got the
like the spikes that you wear on your feet that
you can stop kidding me what they got professional tree
climbing equipment, climbed two redwoods on either side or like
overlooking our meadow, climbed like one hundred feet in the air,
and installed cable so there were two cables running from

(03:42):
two trees to a middle point, and then the rope
hung down from that, and then we set up a
ladder that was a ten foot twelve foot orchard ladder
on the edge of the woods or on the edge
of the meadow, and so you would climb up the
ladder and then jump on this ropes wing and just
or out over the meadow. And then we didn't have

(04:02):
to go to searches anymore. Then we had our own
ropes swing where we were camping, like where we would camp.
So it just became like what we would do with
everybody who cameboard or our property. We would like at
some point we'd be going swinging, and it became like
people were doing flips off of it. People got really
good and tricky. Let's see, Yes, one person broke their arm.
As we were kids, they fell off, okay. And then

(04:25):
when I was doing the graduate tour, you know, we
had a big party because we did we opened the
show in San Francisco, So I invited the entire cast
up to our house for a big like barbecue cookout
day and night, and like you know, it was like
thirty or forty of us and it was a great
day and the rope swing was a big part of

(04:45):
the day. We all went down and we all went
on the ropes swing, and there was one guy who
was he was the male swing, so he was the
understudy for all the male parts. You know, you have
your swing, which is the person who just has to
step in in case anybody was sick or injured for
any of the parts. Ironic, He yeah, exactly, and he
loved the rope swing. And we realized at one point,

(05:06):
like it we had all had dinner and all been
hanging out the house and we realized he was missing,
and we were like, oh, he went down to swing
on the ropes swing again. So a bunch of us
like got together and sure enough found him like swinging
in the rope swing, and then we all started taking
turns and then he i was like, you know, after
about thirty minutes of swinging together, he was like, oh,
let me go one more time, and he jumped on

(05:27):
it and it snapped and he fell from jumping off
of the like ten foot ladder onto the thing and
then just hit the ground, landed on his butt, and
just immediately we knew it was it was bad. So
we're like running through the woods. We'd get the car
down there, we'd load him up. He's like, he's in
so much pain, and yeah, sure enough he broke his
back and he couldn't do the tour like it was awful.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
So the rope swing is no way. I'm confused. You
said that it would go out over a meadow, so
it wasn't. But people would flip off of it, so
it wasn't into water.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
No. People figured out how to do tricks and like
dangle from it, you know, by their knees or whatever.
I don't know, Shiloh can probably speak to it more,
but like I mean, I was just a I was
a pretty basic rope swinger, you know. I just kind
of like to go out.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah. Yeah, that's all I like to do too. That's
that was enough for me.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
That was so much fun. And yeah, I remember when
we did grinders, we had the ramps set up down
there and the rope swing was there, so we would
all like between shooting, everybody that was also ride in
ramps with bikes and rollerblades and skateboards would also be
swinging on the ropes. Tra I mean, our house was
just the death drop.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
It should change it from redwood Shire to like bone
breaker tents or whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Just break something when you come there.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
We had we had we had something very similar here,
but it was out over water, right. And then the
best we had trellis ones too, where you know, you'd
go to like a a creek or something where there
was a bridge and you jump off the very dangerous
rickety bridge to think or the brave kids would I'd
be like, wow, look at them jumping, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
That always jump off a bridge and you didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I didn't. I was the guy who was not jumping
off the bridge. I was always the guy who was
who was too scared to do the kind of like.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Hey man, we're gonna race, or we're gonna you know,
we're off.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
To the side.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, exactly, mutual killing myself, but I'd like to do
it slowly.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I didn't want to hurt myself like jumping off a
bridge or something.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
By the way, have you, either of you been on
a swing set recently?

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah? They make me a little dizzy.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Now.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
I was gonna say, do you now get nauseous like
I do on the swing a little bit?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I didn't think it was gonna happen because I was like, oh,
come on, but it does.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
It's a little that's a real thing. Yeah, real thing.
I felt the same way.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
I was like, oh my god, swings are so much fun.
Oh my god, this is wow. Oh my god, I'm
now completely.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah. You guys had much more adventurous childhoods than I did.
I liked to go to the mall.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I was gonna say, you had your mall.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I had my mall.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
And it depends.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Give me nice the coffee, being nice blendids and being
for BRA's at Victoria's Secret, and watching X Files with
my family and having sleepovers on the phone to Andy.
That was just you know, that was that was my childhood.
So anyway, I do miss the ropes wing. I actually

(08:17):
didn't remember that the ropes swing. It snapped in half.
I thought he like fell off, not the thing actually disconnected.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Did they sue you? Yeah, oh wow, they really wait
to bury the lead.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
I know, well, I mean, you know, I mean, and
it was one of those things. I was like, yeah,
but you knew what you were doing. But of course,
like he had a I mean yeah, like there's a
piece of equipment on your property, and he was like
we talked about it later, like I ended up meeting
up with the tour later. He did end up going
back to the tour like after I left and working
and get you know, but yeah, he sued. He sued us,

(08:50):
and we lost our insurance. We had to you know,
like whatever they settled our insurance luckily settled for us,
but then dropped us and we had to get rid
of the.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Ropes wing and like buy ropes wing.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
That is the difference when you grow up with your
parents as lawyers. We had a trampoline that no one
was allowed to go on unless they signed a waiver.
Right seriously, I had a waiver to go on.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
We would have had waivers right like yeah you have
to or even like a poster a sign that said
you swing at your own risk or whatever.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
But yeah, welcome to Podmeets World.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm rather or strong, I'm wil Ferdell. Guys,
what the kids want to jump? Again and again and again.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Well, now that Will doesn't have COVID. He wants to jump.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I want to.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
I want to jump without that sneeze that wouldn't go everywhere.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Six months later, the tour is back.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
We have re scheduled Durham, North Carolina. We will be
inside you on June nineteenth. Atlanta we will be there
on June twentieth, and New Orleans we will see you
on the twenty first.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Are we going to be there by ourselves in Durham?
We absolutely are not.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
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hold the plane for Minus himself is going to be
joining us.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
On the nineteenth, is exiting the time warp wormhole that
he entered and disappeared from our show and appearing on
our stage. I can't get Danielle saying Durham, We're going
to be inside of you on the night. I know
it's not a right. Why should you phrase it like that?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
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Speaker 1 (10:29):
God, we hope to be inside of you. I mean
the town, your city, Please just come, just come.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
It would be almost impossible to be a regular listener
of Podme's World and not already know almost everything about
this week's guest. He wrote, a unicycle, he juggled, He
dressed like a very cool miming clown. He apparently broke
to Hillary Tuck's heart. He shared a secret childhood pony
with his brother. He loved Hacky Sack and dungeons and dragons.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
He went down a fiberglass slide naked. Listen.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I could go on and on, but you probably already
know that I am talking about Rider's brother, actor, director,
and photographer Shiloh Strong.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
He was raised in the woods as a knife carrying hooligan.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
He traveled to Hollywood alongside my co host here to
chase a dream and ended up starring in the often
mentioned The Mommies, with appearances on Third Rock from the Sun,
Dinotopia twenty four, and CSI, before transitioning behind the camera,
where he teamed up with writer to direct fifteen episodes
of Girl Meets World. He has since focused on photography.

(11:45):
But today we are here to talk about life at
redwood Shire, always standing out in our nineties kid actor crew,
and what it was like being one half of the
fabulous Strong Brothers.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
A man whose ears must have been ringing twice a
week for the past two years.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
It's Shiloh Strong.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't think he's listened to the podcast. Oh I
have listened to.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, so you have listened to the podcast?

Speaker 1 (12:22):
I have a few. Yeah, sorry, I mean you guys
have made so many now it's you know.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
It's hard to keep up with two a week.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
You guys are doing two a week really? Ye oh no,
it's it's been great. I mean the few I have
listened to, it's just and you listening to the Hillary
Talk one? Right? I did? Yes, lieut present classic.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, it's it's a question I have way later, but
since it came up again.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Let's just talk about it real quick. Hillary Talk.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Was it the dinner at her house that that made you?
Was that the breaking point?

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Because she thinks it was.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah. No, I mean it's funny because yeah, yeah, I know,
well it was like at that period, I was like,
I mean, I guess I was nineteen, I think, And
if you remember writer, do you remember the rope swing
broke on me that summer? I just didn't just talking
about that literally on YouTube and we built it again.

(13:16):
Yeah no, So like I was out there, it was
like me and Nate and Matt and we were out
there and I came up and came back and broke
and I slammed into the ground. I thought for sure
I broke my back, like it was so bad. So
I went to the emergency room and they're scanning and
doing CT scans and everything, and it came back and
it said it wasn't broken, but it was like bruised
really bad. I couldn't get out of bed for like

(13:37):
seven days. And that was when I had this plan
to go to Texas with Hillary and I was going
to drive out there with my friend to do this
whole cross country trip. But because my back was so
messed up, I was just on viking in and like
just a mess. And then I ended up flying out
to meet her out there, and we hadn't seen each
other in a long time, and it had never been

(13:57):
like an official that we were together, I guess, And
it was just one of those classic like you know,
jackass nineteen year old guys like well if we never
really talked about it, then it's not official, you know, like,
which is a classic guy moved to do because and
that so then when I got out there and it
was very much I mean, you know, her family was
very conservative, very Texas, right, you know, and she felt

(14:22):
like she was introducing you to her family potentially as
like boyfriend partner rightly, which you know, she's coming from
a traditional family upbringing in that world, which you know,
if you bring in this guy into that space, it's like,
this means a lot. And for me, I grew up like, oh, well,
everybody's just here at redwood Shire and we do this thing,
you know. So it's just yeah, but you know it

(14:43):
was awful because I really did care about her a
lot and was you know, yeah, she's wonderful, She's always
been wonderful, and.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
So yeah, it was I say, from this point forward,
we just blamed the vicodin Yeah, to the everybody's backs and.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, everyone's had break your back in your heart that rope.
So I'll tell it. That's that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
I'm just the opposite childa by the way, I if
I don't discuss it with a woman, then I just
assume we're in a relationship.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
That's exactly I.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Don't want to hear. I don't want to hear that
she doesn't want me there, because then I get all
the like, what are you doing in my house? How
did you get in here? Like all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
A lot. Yes, Sue doesn't know we're married, so don't
say anything.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
She's like, I love this shiny ring. You got me?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yes, seriously. I was like, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Oh, but to keep the ring, you have to sign
this piece of paper in front of my dad, in
front of all our friends.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
She's like, all right, so mum's the word. All right.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
So Shiloh, there's another question. I just want to get
out of the way now. It is a question our
listeners have been hoping to ask you for a while. Now. Oh, really,
did you know your brother had a grappling hook?

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Oh? Yeah, he found it. He's the one who found it.
I found just recently. I found that. Yeah. Yeah, and
uh no, I remember because you built it in like
welding class, right, class with class. Yeah, so like the
school and I'm sure you guys have heard about none such,
but like the that we went to, Like it was

(16:14):
like it was built on this crazy hill in the
Redwood forest and there was like this art studio down
on the bottom where they did pottery, and that's where
the did welding too. Wright right, yeah, until they got
shut down. They shut it down. But you have to
class because that would have been awesome. There was a
rope swimming, There was a climbing wall. We built our

(16:35):
own climbing while the students we all built the handholds
for it in pottery class and then put it on
the wall. And we had a climbing class, like we
actually learned how to rock climb, but it was all
like with our own handles.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Was Robert the teacher, Yeah, Robert and the teacher teachers
were all where all your teachers called by their first name.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I'm just curious, and you know, Ocean's visiting me right
now in l A. He was. I walked out the door.
He said, you know, have a strophy right recording and
we were reminiscing and Shiloh Chris recently reached out to
him about starting up a backgrounother. Yeah, Chris, who was
like one of our favorite teachers who like we just
he's a legend. He's changed his name though, he's Kestrel now,

(17:16):
ye isn't it. So I can't wait to send him
because I was like, you have his email address, I'm
going to email him. Yeah, but we were reminiscent about
the school last night. Yeah, so it was Chris. Robert
Lynn was the principal who ran the school, was at
her house. Yeah, so we knew them all by their
first names, and they were all like pretty amazing people
and you know, super interesting and like it was yeah,

(17:37):
I mean ocean. And I've spent a lot of time
the last couple of days reminiscing about it, and it's
a very interesting space.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
I'm not entirely sure any of my teachers had first names. Yeah, yeah,
like they were born mister whatever, missus whatever. I mean. Yeah,
the idea where it's like, this is my teacher, Robert
is crazy.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Robert was an ex Navy seal and like we we
just Robert was the best because he was so smart.
He's brilliant, but you could just get him to talk
about anything. So we always knew we wouldn't have to
do biology or whatever. If we could just start, like
asking him about Vietnam. He was just like he would
just go on and we'd learn a lot, but no
biology would be that done. That day. It was amazing.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I want to get to why the welding studio may
have been shut down there.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Inspector came through. Yeah I know, I remember, and I
was so pissed because I was really into it and
Robert was amazing, and and Tim got really into it.
To remember, Tim Saluzzo, we were like the welding like kids,
and we would build all these things and and then
the next year it was like now the state or city,
show state or.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Whatever, no open flames, the middle of the forest, the
people thinking my way out of here.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
It's a pretty incredible group of people. Yeah. I think
it's pretty amazing opportunity to be there.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, Chilo.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's also worth mentioning that Will and I did not
know that you two had a pony. That was a
real like shocking revelation to us on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
And thrown out sentence like.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Susie our pony. Right, Yeah, do you have some fond
memories of Susie as well?

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, well I remember when she stepped on my foot,
which that's pretty dense.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
We didn't know about that.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, no, I can't know. She was great, Like I
can't remember how we ended up getting a rider because
she was really old when she came to us. I
feel like it was a neighbor. It was a neighbor
who was getting rid of her and we were and
the parents were like, whoa, well, we'll take the pony
and we already had the barn. Did our parents build
the barn. They must have built. Yeah, they sure they
built the barn. I guess for Susie. Totally the real

(19:44):
The The thing about Susie, the story about Susie is
that our so, our grandfather, our mom's dad, was like
a horse fanatic and he had never been able to
have a horse his entire life, but he had grown
up working with horses. Well. First of all, he used
to like he used to like he used to tell
stories about how he would steal the wagons, like the

(20:06):
horses at the carriage, like horses been buggies in the
nineteen thirties or whatever. He would steal like horse and
buggies and like is he just loved her. And then
he worked with horses down on.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Just enjoy riding them.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yes, as a kid he would joy steal him to
sell them or no.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Just because he loved you know. That was our other grandparents. Yeah,
that's true. And then so anyway, so Harry just always
loved horses. And so when we got Susie, Harry and
Susie had this like special bond and he would always
just step outside and at our house and say SUSI girl,
and she would respond, she would answer and then after

(20:41):
she died, he kept doing it for years every time
he would step on for Susie. He loved her.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, would her ghost respond just you know.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Just terrified with that. Oh, that's a great scary story,
just to say that, that's a good title for a
short story there. No, I remember we, like the parents
always brought her out when we'd have like kid get togethers,
you know, like there's already us having pony rides at
redwood Shire and it was like all the kids would
come over for a birthday party and they'd get put
on the back of the pony and then walked around

(21:11):
and you know it was Yeah, it was great. But yeah,
I remember feeding her a lot. That was always a chore.
That was the choice growing up. It was like opening
the gate feeding Susie. And we'd get a dollar a
week I think if we didn't. Yeah, big big bucks.
First job, only real job I've ever had. Yeah. Nice? Nice?

(21:33):
Did she break your foot child? No? I mean it
felt like it like it's just it was just so
intense and then she just you know, and I've heard
they do that, like they know when they're doing that.
Somebody told me that a little later. La was like
Oh my god, Susy didn't like she was. She got
a little she got a little dramatic when she got older.
I remember she would like pretend to like fall down

(21:54):
if we put even a kid on her back. She
would be like, buckle, Okay, we're not going to ride
Susie anymore.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, we have talked a lot about the house you
were raised in, built by hand by your parents, and
how it really does seem like the antithesis of the
Hollywood scene. And we know how you guys would travel,
you know, to and from for auditions. What other memories
do you have about your time at redwood Shire before
you officially made the transition down to La.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Before we made it down to La Gosh, I'm trying
to think. I mean, I have vague memories of the
house kind of you know, being built, you know, because
I was only like one year old. I think there
and then like the pool was always the most amazing
thing to have. So I remember just splashing in that
pool when we were kids endlessly or running around and
like Rder and I would take our hot wheels what

(22:49):
they called hot wheels, so they were the little yeah,
we wheeler, little guy and we would go around and
around this pool, which it's just so funny because looking
back on it, you know, nowadays you have to build
like gates and fences and fool covers, and it's like
you watch these videos and it's like, I swear our
parents were trying to kill us. I'm just like, like everything,

(23:10):
you know, there's like construction equipment and trees falling and
kids running next to pools. And we always watched the
videos and I'm like, I'm like nervous for these kids,
and I'm like, well, that's us. So I know we
make it. I know we make it to Okay. It's
still terrifying, but I think it just, you know, it's
kind of changed the way we all, you know, have
let kids do crazy. But yeah, but I mean I

(23:32):
think it was just the freedom. And I remember like
the idea of the forest being because we were back
next to like, you know, probably about twenty plus acres
I would say, rider like behind us. That was pretty
much it still is just open forest. So like we
grew up, I mean, I remember thinking that that went
on forever and it was this crazy fantasy, dark, scary place,

(23:56):
you know, but we always and I still have dreams
about that I don't know. I think we've talked about
this all the time. Still it's something ingrained of this
idea of there's something in the forest out there. But
you know, I always felt so safe because my father
was always there and mom and so it was you know.
But and then yeah, we always watched this movie, The

(24:17):
Wilderness Family. I don't know if you've heard about this.
It's a series of films. They're incredibly bad. They're they're
so bad that they're amazing. But like, I like Writer
and I definitely related to that. When't you say writer,
that was like, oh story, it was like it was
like a movie. It's it's this horrible movie. I made
Indy watch it like a couple of months ago. It

(24:37):
really couldn't get through it. Oh so you can see
the boom mic dropping in. Like it was family, a
series of family films, and it was like an independent
family film that some like I think like Christian Company
had made or whatever, and it was actually kind of
a hit at the time. But they it was about
a family movie. I think, to Alaska and they they

(24:57):
in La from La they like lead the big city
and they go to this and then it's just them
dealing with the wilderness and all these animal encounters, and
we like watch these movies all the time and totally
absorbed it as sort of like a legend of our own.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Family, like so like that's us, Yes, that's us.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
And we related so much and and yeah, like when
I rediscovered these movies and like I remember when I
was like in college, I think I was like, Sheela,
do you remember the and we got a hold of
one and we watched it. We were like this explained
so much, like this is this is why we still
have bear dreams, even though there aren't really bears up
in northern callifornia're like where we were, Yeah there have
been some, but but we were like always worried about

(25:37):
bears and wildcats. And it was like, oh, because we
watched these freaking films that are supposed to be family films,
but for us, they were like a horror film of
what our real life was. But if you remember right
when we watched them again and like there was no
like animal child safety on those sets. It's it is terrifying.
Like there's this one sequence where here's a little girl
and she's getting attacked by wolves and you like you're

(26:00):
literally seeing this child like crying on screen, like true fear,
and there's like coyotes or dogs running around here, and
like as an adult watching and I was like, oh no,
like I have no idea how they shot. They have
they have raccoons with the kids in bed, they like
they have all these real animals and you know it's
pre cg like everything is real, and it's yeah that
I'm sure that shoot was not following labor laws. Yeah, no,

(26:22):
it doesn't sound like it.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
So it's like it's like Robinson Crusoe kind of but
a different, like, you know, a low budget kind of version.
Let's just get a bunch of wild animals and kids
and throw them into a Okay, interesting.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Well, we also heard all about the movies that you
and your parents would make when you were kids, and
basically that just kind of set the track for where
you both ended up. Did it feel like from the
time you were really young that you and writer were
just always going to work in the same field in
the entertainment industry.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, you know, I think we've traced it back before,
because we started making the movies when we were you know,
like four three around there, and then we kept giving
that every time we'd like, you know, come up with
an idea and then we'd get together and shoot it
with the whole family. And then we went We came
down to La and we must have been like seven,

(27:24):
I think or eight, yeah, and went to Universal Studios, right,
and we saw at that time they didn't have the
water World exhibit, but they did a whole wild West
like the Stunt Spectacular. Yeah, yeah, of course it was great. Yeah, right,
it was great, and we were you know, that was
our first movie we made. We were cowboys or turned
Toto superheroes. We were already like into that fight anyway.

(27:47):
So then I remember we came back and we were like, well,
how do they do the punching? And we had this
whole thing where it was like, oh if you who
told us this, I don't know, but if you put
a piece of paper under your shirt and then you
like make a punch and then you slap your chest
and it sounds like a sounds sounds like a really
good movie punch. Sound. Yeah, you're not doing fully, that's great. Yeah. Yeah.

(28:09):
So we we choreographed the whole fight sequence and did
it for the Talent Show, right, And this what grade
was that I was in kindergarten. So I was five, Yeah,
so you were in six or seven? Yeah, and we yeah,
and we we basically built a whole and it was
like we did a whole choreograph. We also had characters.
It was our first acting ever really and it just killed, like,

(28:31):
you know, watching these two kids like beat the crap
out of each other, and like we had all these
bits and like I would go like in and in
and in, and then you'd like punch me and we'd
roll around, we throw each other, and it was like
so yeah, we would just commit, you know, and our
parents helped us like choreograph the whole thing. And then
I remember when I was like nineteen or something or
maybe a little bit younger, there was this guy I

(28:53):
think his name was Jamie, and he was like the
super tough kind of scary kid, and I remember he
was like I remember seeing you guys, like he remembered
that show that we had put off from kindergarten. Yeah,
And then every year we would do a different thing
at the talent show. So we did magic, we did

(29:13):
we did this the wrestling thing where I was amazing.
Strong brothers what did you call yourself? Just the strong
Brother's Magic Show, Strong Brother's Magic Show. Okay, I knew
there was a title, the Strong Brother's Magic Show. Yeah.
And then we did birthday parties birthday parties to perform there.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah, and then we started taking acting classes. What was
your big trick though, Like, what was the ending trick?
What did you end on?

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Needles the balloon? I was just gonna say that. Yeah, yeah,
so you pull out you have balloons on our table
and we would pop a couple of them, and then
we would bring up someone from the audience using an adult,
like we brought up our principal or like somebody or
a parent from what the prince's name was, Yeah, exactly somebody,
and then we would and then we would take a

(29:55):
needle and put it through the balloon while they held
the balloon, and the balloon wouldn't pop, and it was
like how did they do it? And then we could
still Yeah it was a whole you know, special a
special balloon. How did you do it? Okay? It was
a special thick balloon. So it's like the certain balloons
that we knew were like you know hidden well oil too,
do you remember you had You would take the rag
and you would wipe wipe them across the needle and

(30:19):
it was like w D forty or something.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
And that helps it go through, right.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, what are your memories about traveling to LA for
pilot seasons. Was it like a family trip? Did you
guys drive down together? What were those like?

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I mean, I've done that drive so many times, it's
just burn my memory. Like now when I do it,
actually take the one to one just for a change,
and yeah, it takes a little bit longer, but yeah,
I mean I remember it was always so I mean,
it's funny to try and think back on it now
because I can't believe how much we were doing when
I think about like how fast things were moving, you know,

(30:56):
but time is just so different when you're a kid too.
But it's really made me appreciate what my parents were
able to do, you know, to be able to adjust
their schedule, which I mean only you know, because our
father was a firefighter, he was able to make those
changes in the schedule. Yeah. Yeah, but I remember the
oak Woods was kind of our first spot where you know,

(31:17):
we hunkered down and then it was just always auditioning
and running around. But I mean, I have positive memories
of that whole experience because it was we were just
a group of kids, you know, playing all the time,
and yeah, so rollerblading, yeah, role Oh my god, we
rollerbladed so much it was crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
We've talked a lot about the oak Woods. Who who was?
Who else was there with you? Who was kind of
like your la oak Wood crew?

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I Rember because we were there a little We'll.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Just raised his hands.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Was there? Were you the oak Woods when we started? Boy? Yeah?
Why three seventeen? Baby? Why three seventeen?

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Right?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Oh my god, I totally forgot about that. Yeah, I was.
That's where Spencer and I lived. Oh that's right, totally
my first car, Spencer, Yeah, that's right, that's right. Oh man,
that was that was a show. Remember that. I know
that was a bummer man. Well, yeah, so I I was.
My first car was a nineteen seventy three Super Beetle
that Will's best friend Spencer had bought, and it was

(32:13):
like a convertible nable Beetle. It was so awesome. It
was sick.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
It had Pender racing, the racing air shift, the racing clutch,
and there was like some kind of illegal engine in it,
which we did not know, so.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I couldn't get it smogged, and then it was then
I ended up having to sell the thing anyway, but
it was it was the coolest car I was not
at sixteen, and that car was.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
It was so great and I had to take so Spencer,
my roommate at the time.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Spencer bought it, hated it. Had never driven stick before.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
He lived and grew up in New York City and
then went to college in Pennsylvania, so he never had
a car or a license until he moved to la
at twenty seven twenty eight. The first car he got
was that he couldn't stand it because he hated the
stick shift. So he took my Selica, which was also
a stick shift, but a lot easier to use, and
I use that and so I'd bring that to work.
And that's when Shiloh, either writer. Shiloh saw it and

(33:04):
was like, I want that cars like it's my roommates.
I think he wants to get rid of it. So
he sold it to Shiloh. And then I get a
call from Shilah like, dude, I can't smock this car.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
It's illegal.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
I'm like what it's like, but I've been driving this
thing for months. He's like you've been driving it illegally.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Like what, I don't know what to do. Yeah, it
was a whole thing. I was like, I don't know
what to do. It was crazy California thing too. It
probably came from another state like this I'm with. It
was yellow and white, remember that. It was gorgeous looking.
It was great. It was silo. The big moment that
like that pulled us into LA was the Dick Tracy audition.
Oh yeah, do you remember that? Like, yeah, yeah, it's funny.

(33:42):
I remember the limo ride. That was the big Exactly,
they sent a rimo to Redwood Shire. So what happened
is we had gotten you know, we had been doing
plays locally and there was a local agent who represented
like you know, mostly background and commercial actors for the
local area and Sono mccount and she got ahold of
us and said, oh, they're auditioning for this part in

(34:04):
the Dick Tracy movie and we can put you on
tape for it and send it down to LA. And
so we went and did a whole scene with her.
Each of us took taking turns and they like had props,
like we set it up like as actual shoot, and
then they sent the tape off, and you know, we
were like, Wow, that would be cool to be in
a movie or whatever. And that was our first audition
really and then nothing. And then like six months later,

(34:26):
we got a call and they were like, can you
be it? Both of you? It's down to nine kids
the same part for the same part. Can we bring
We're gonna fly you guys down to Los Angeles. And
sure enough, like the next morning, a limo pulled up
to Redwitchshire, which was just the most like what is happening?
Hollywood is calling and they wanted, you know, they wanted

(34:46):
to meet us, and and my mom was there, and
my dad had just had brain surgery. Oh, he had
had a brain tumor that Christmas. And so this was
like January or February. I was nine years old and
so you were ten, Chilah, and we and my dad
was like I'm not you know, he was like I
have to go too, because we're all going as a family.
But he was still like.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Completely covering surgery.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
My god. It was awful. And we all flew to
l A and of course we were just so stoked
in the limo. I think about how stressed out my
parents were and that the company would only pay for
one plane ticket for our parents, so we had to
like buy a last minute ticket for my dad, which
costs so much money. And that's how they get, you get.
So we all went to l and I still remember
every time I drive by the Universal Sheraton, that hotel

(35:30):
that we stayed. Yeah, that's and we flew down. They
picked us up in a limo. They drove us to
the audition. We had to wait in the waiting room
and we each read for the kid had a horrible
experience because the well, they improved and we didn't, you know,
we had no idea what we were doing. We just
done plays. We wait, what are you?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
What are you doing there?

Speaker 1 (35:52):
We had the wrong.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Thages exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Well, do you remember anything about who else was in
the waiting room with you? I mean it was everybody there.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah. Well I walked out and said they changed a line,
So I told everybody, which then prep all the other kids.
There was one kid who didn't end up getting the part,
and he was with us a lot and talked to
us and he was like, they would give this part
to me, but I'm too tall. So you know, they're
saying that they could just chop me off at the knees.
I'd already have the part. He like totally, like you know,

(36:21):
like a good kid actor, he already knows how to
work the waiting room, work the waiting room. And then
we went back to the Universal Sheraton and got the
call that night that neither of us had gotten the part.
And then we flew back the next day. But he
was such a stressful but exciting. And then that was
like that was when you know, agents and people started

(36:42):
saying like, oh, these you know, you should come to
LA And it still took a while. For one thing,
we worked and I did a couple of commercials and you,
I think you did too, right, We worked out of
San Francisco, and then when I didn't, and.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
That was that took over everything for that you know, writer,
does it ever hit you occasionally though, that when you're
talking about stories like this, you're essentially Indie's age. Yeah,
I mean, isn't that weird to like look at him
and be like, Okay, when I was at age, I
was auditioning for Dick Tracy. It's crazy, I mean, right,
But it also kind of like because Indy is very performed,
like I'm like it kind of makes sense. And also,

(37:16):
like like us, you just realize, like, oh, if if
a kid can like do this in any capacity, it's like, oh,
you go right to the top. It's not like wanting
to be in your twenties and wanting to be an
actor where the pool is so big. When you're a
kid who can do any of these things, you get
jobs or you get callbacks because you're rare, you know.
And that's the thing, like we we thought we were

(37:37):
just doing something that came very naturally, but actually because
of all the movie making and conversations and you know,
we just put a lot of energy into acting and
making up stuff and it paid off.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
You know, it was and it was always fun. It was.
It was just it was the transportation that was stressful.
And then I think about it from our parents' perspective,
it's just, oh my god, I can't commitment. It takes totally.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I mean, that's what you think about anybody whose parents
aren't able to drop everything, because I mean, you guys
remember those days. I mean you'd get an audition the
same day, and back then before the fax machine, which
was so amazing, you'd have to drive to your agent
to pick up the script and the sides and then
try and get a coaching or maybe not, and then
go right to the audition. And we were doing that
sometimes three times a day, and we're like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Jeez, I don't miss those days.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
The parent, I like, yeah, doing it as a parent,
I'm just like, you know, I couldn't see it. I
couldn't do that.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
They'd have to plant because I was I lived three
hours from New York. They'd have to plan when my
audition was so i'd have to get the call, all right,
four days from now you have an audition kind of thing. Yeah,
last minute stuff didn't work unless it was for something huge,
right that My my parents knew that. It was like
the agent couldn't call and be like we need you
here tomorrow at eight. It's like, we can't.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
It's not possible.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
So yeah, it's weird to hear the la kids though.
I mean, we're just you run in and you do
your stuff, you.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Go back to your life. Yeah, that's I don't remember
how you got into it. Will I'd be so curious
to hear how that all came about.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Like, I don't know if I thought you listened to
the podcast Shiloh.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Season one, episode three about I started the kind of
the same way you both did, just the East Coast version.
You know.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
I started on stage in Hartford, and then I get
auditions in New York and I would get on the
bus three hours down in New York City and my
manager would pick me up at the bus and I'd
walk into the city and they'd say, you know, you're
too fat, and I'd get back on the bus and
any cigarettes and I would go back. So yeah, that's
what you know. My my manager wouldn't always.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Pick me up.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
So by you know, twelve, I was a lot of
times just walking the city myself, going to my auditions.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
It was great. I wouldn't change a.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Thing, right again, coming you guys dealt with this when
you know you love your town's basketball, it's an amazing place.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
But getting out to like a city.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
I had more real life in the four hours I
was in New York City than you know, a week
and eight, just because you're around people and culture and
different languages, different sounds, different smells.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I mean, everything is just.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Like figuring it out on your own as a kid.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
It's awesome. Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Well, we have commonly heard story after story from different
nineties kid actors we have had where they have a
story where a certain role came down to them and
Shiloh Strong. Yes, who do you remember always seeing at auditions?
And was there anything you didn't book or that you
came very close to booking that still haunts you?

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Oh gosh, jeez, that's a fun question. Oh God, I
feel bad. I don't remember, honestly, I have a terrible memory.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
But I remember one what you for Eric on board?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I don't think I did Man.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
But I was told that it was between me and
Jason for Almost Home.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Oh that sounds familiar, yes, right?

Speaker 4 (41:04):
And then the next year was also between you, me
and Jay for for Eric.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Was I told before I ever got there? Oh, maybe
they might have just been given you. They might have
that might they they wanted you to network against Will
and Jason. And I said, you got because you got
offered the mommies. The moms gave me off. You didn't
even have to read for it. That's right, you know what?
Because I did that pilot odd Man Out, which was awesome,

(41:30):
which I loved so much, and I was senior at
the Star of and it was and it was like
that was and yeah with Hillary Swank, which you know,
seeing her go on to become a superstar, and it
was like yeah, like yeah that was that was so
much fun. Gosh what year was that? Oh god, right

(41:50):
before Boys two? Really boy Yeah, yeah, you would have
been shooting it in ninety three, like summer. It was
a pilot, so it would have been spring of ninety three.
And then when it didn't get picked up is when
you got offered the Mommies Mommies or a network test
to be on Boy Me's World, right, which and I
remember being like, well, this would be weird if we're

(42:12):
on the same show. Others, yeah, not playing brothers. I
remember being I think we've had conversations like it's funny.
I have a specific memory of being I was up
at redwood Shire and I remember trying to make that
decision about whether or not I should go and yeah,
I do this is this is right? And I remember
I was climbed a tree because that's what we.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Did back where you went and thought, of course where
I would go.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
And think and I remember being like, okay, do I
want to do this? And I remember I feel like
we were having conversations. Writer and also with the parents
just being like, how could we be on the same
TV show but not be brothers, Like it doesn't make
any sense, Like it's just going to be a weird
thing just from like a r standpoint, So they're not
really brothers, but I don't know. Yeah, And then I

(42:54):
was also so sick of auditioning, I think, and you know,
I was so bummed that Odd Man Out didn't go
because that had been such a fun project and I
was so excited about that. And then here was the
Mommy is where it was like a sure thing and
it was kind of a smaller part, and I was like, yeah,
I think I'll just you know, go that run. I
was also on NBC, which was a better network. I
remember it was always yeah, considered. Yeah. So then I

(43:17):
came back and I was like, yeah, no, so yeah,
So I don't think I ever auditioned for it well,
and it wasn't like they offered it to me, but yeah,
I mean, gosh, if that had, I mean, you know,
alternate realities, I don't think the show would have gone if.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
I oh, who knows. I just think I remember looking
at the two of you though. If this makes sense,
how I'm going to describe this. If you were the
same age as you were ten years later, there's no
way Disney Channel wouldn't have come to you and been like,
we want to do a brother show. It would have
been perfect for that, because like ten years later is
when the all the twin Stuff kids started happening on

(43:51):
Disney Channel and all the brothers sister stuff are. You
would have been the perfect Disney team to do some
kind of a show.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
If in reality, if we had just not if we
didn't have other shows we were on, it probably would
have happened because you look at the Lawrence brothers, they
were already being cast together as brothers consistently because it
is it's even more rare that you have kid actors
who can both you know, act and look alike and
be brothers, and it's more convenient for the family. Like
it makes sense. Yeah, but yeah, we never we never

(44:19):
got there.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Yeah, yeah, I want to see a show that starred
the Lawrence brothers, the Savage Brothers, and the Strong Brothers.
I don't even know what it would be, but just
every all that Powerhouse teams together.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Would have been really interesting to watch. There's still time
will our first pilot season, Shiloh, you the job. Our
mom said, Okay, we're going to go down to the
oak Woods. We're going to go down for pilot season,
which was two or three months, and if the kids
get jobs, then we'll pursue this part of our lives.
If they don't, then we won't. And by the end
of that pilot season, I had booked The Jewelie Show.

(44:54):
So I was on a sitcom and you booked House
of Cards right right. It was a great movie with
Kathleen Turner and Tommy Lee Jones and that was Do
do you remember your audition for that with Mally Finn,
the legendary casting director. Oh, yeah, that was amazing. She
was so supportive and that was all improv I remember
we were like but by that time I had some

(45:15):
chops in those situations, and I remember, Yeah, that was
a great audition. And then that was an amazing experience
because going out there the director Michael Lessak, who I
think this was the first feature that he had made,
and it was a I don't know if it was
a Mirramax film at that point, yes, was it already
because then it went to Sundance, But did it get

(45:35):
bought when it went to Sunday, and I think it
was always a Mirramax film, but like we had an
entire month I think of rehearsal of what just wow.
And Michael Jackie was the like dialogue coach, so she
worked with me one on one on like all of
our scenes, and I remember, like it was just such
an incredible experience for a young actor to be able

(45:58):
to have that kind of support and the ability to play,
you know. But I remember I had no idea how
like the first scene that we shot. I didn't understand
how like camera angles worked and like how multiple takes happened.
So I remember like doing it kind of like once
and thinking Okay, great, we did it, and they're like, okay, great,

(46:18):
we're going to do it again and move And I
was like wait what, Like that was such a foreign concept,
just the basic mechanics of it. Like yeah, but that
was a very cool, very cool experience like that three
months in North Carolina. Yeah. I mean the movie doesn't
age well. Unfortunately. It's kind of an outdated way of
like perceiving autism, you know, based on what we understand

(46:40):
about autism nowadays, you know, and like one woman trying
to get back in touch with her daughter who might
be autistic. But so, you know, from a medical standpoint,
I don't think it really right, but yeah, but it was.
It was a very cool experience. I then going to
Sundance as a you know, eleven year old and being
an adip. She's being like, what's happened?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Were you wildly intimidated around Tommy Lee Jones and Kathleen
Turner or did you just feel right in your element?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Oh? No, they were great, Like I mean, yeah, it
was awesome, you know. I mean that's the thing. I
think all of us had that, Like when you're acting
and you know, like if you're working with a real actor,
like a profictional older actor, like they're going to be
giving you everything you need as a young actor to
be able to go, oh oh you get it. Okay, great,
let's let's do this and then we're playing you know,
And that was and that was great to be able

(47:29):
to have them and support for that. You know, Yeah,
it was cool.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
That's so awesome. Did you come by the Boy Meets
World set a lot?

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I don't really remember you being on set all the time,
but you must have been, right, I do.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, I remember coming by, like Danielle. We didn't really
hang out that much.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
No, I didn't hang out. I was I was really young.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, totally, and I think we I would come for
tape show for the eight nights, yeah nights. Yeah, and
that was always fun or stop by I you know,
once Rider got a car and we were all kind
of like driving around LA and doing stuff. So I know,
we all like went out for like lunch, you know, yes,
you know where Jerry's I think was another one.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Oh yeah, Jerry's Amsterdam yea and Amsterdam.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
That was so much fun. We was just looking at
pictures of though maybe you sent him to me. It
was like, yeah, Jason Marsden, you me and Marsden and
an angel I did.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
We've heard the story about you having was it your
backpack basically.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
But I know who calls that to a kid, you know,
the car back literally on the ride back.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
From the I don't want to do this trade.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
I don't think this is a fair trade, and handing
him back to the backpack he had used.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
The entire trip. We looked at each other like this
can't that can't be real. It can't it just happened.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
I remember one of the coolest moments of that trip, though,
I remember was you and I were walking through the
lines applying and I looked at you and I went, dude,
I like your shirt, and you I like your Sure,
I want to trade. And in the middle of the
street we just swap shirts. And I think I had
it to like a month ago.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
I want to trade is like, I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
It's such a such a teenager thing, like I want
to trade.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
We were very we were very big into the magic
cards then too right, Oh yeah about because we would
play for anti and it was if you got the
one card and then we would be trading cards.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
And like I still I still use when I do play,
I still use a card that I won from you.
I still use Balance all the time. Remember Balance, That's
such a great card. It's a great card, and I
still use Yeah, yeah, it was great.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I want to try that out in the wild with
another woman's handbag.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
I love your handbag. Oh thanks, I love yours. Would
you like to trade?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Trade?

Speaker 3 (49:46):
You just want to try to offer trades. I want
to see how it goes. I'll let you know how
this experiment works.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
When two people consider it equal the trade goes very well,
and when one is not trying to take advantage of
the other person, the trade it is very successful. It's
when one person is nefarious.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Said trade does not work. So I think part of
the reason that you didn't I weren't always on the
set is that you were also on the Mommies. You were,
so you guys, were you Friday tape nights? Is that
what you did? Do you remember? That sounds familiar? Yeah,
I'm trying to remember what It was a period there
because I got my proficiency when I was sixteen, and

(50:26):
then I got emancipated, and so I was like pretty
much on my own down here. You know. We were
living in that Encino house, if I remember. But then
I started going to La Valley Community College, so I
would go there for night classes and then go to
yeah work, But I feel like I was only showing
up because I didn't have to do school and I

(50:48):
didn't you know, I would only have a couple of
scenes usually in an episode, so it was a pretty
easy thing. So I would just drive on and you know,
do my rehearsal and then do the run through, and
then I was pretty much done until you know, the
tape night. Do you do you have a clear like, like,
do you have a memory of what the difference between
the sets was like in terms of like the creative

(51:10):
environment or the production process, Like what is there? That's great?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
H you know.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
The thing was you guys. What I loved about coming
to you guys was you guys were all the same age,
and you had a bunch, you know, and you guys
were all friends. Like it was just it was a
great group of people, like and you know, we were
all you know, like you guys were all playing together
and working the scenes and getting the laughs, and you know,
it was just a it was a really great energy
on the set, you know, and on the Mommy is

(51:37):
like everybody was nice. But I was the only teenager,
Like it was basically everybody else were adults or they
were young kids. So I was just kind of by myself,
you know, and I was kind of going through a
period where I was didn't really want to be in
Los Angeles, Like I was flying back up to Northern
California pretty much every weekend because I had at do

(51:58):
you have.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Someone to give a white rose too? As well?

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Who was your Maureen? Yeah, let's see at that time
I was I was dating this this this girl Emily
for a while. Yeah, but then I mean, I guess
then Hillary, and then that was dating Hillary and that
was kind of you know which I don't know how
long we were together for until I broke her heart

(52:21):
apparently to say, yeah, just long enough to meet her
parents once, and that was it. I'm actually seeing her.
We're going to beat up. Because after I listened to
the podcast, I was just like, oh my god, I'm going.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
To reach out to her.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Well, I'm such positive memories of her, like she was
She's wonderful, and also hearing her voice on the podcast,
I was like, oh my god, I miss her. Yeah,
she's awesome. You know.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
I that that same I had a similar I mean,
obviously I got along with Rider very well, and got
along with Ben and got along with Danielle, but I
was the same thing. It was like, there were the
adults and then they were kind of they had their group.
Then then Rider and Ben they were all kind of together,
and then I was just old enough to kind of
be in the middle totally.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
So yeah, it was like, well, do.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
I want to go have an uncomfortable lunch with the
adults or an uncomfortable lunch with the younger guys.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Like you remember Shilah decided he was going to learn juggling, right,
and he would say, you have your own trailer and
you would just juggle and like you were just got
to decided you were going to like learn all these
like your own tricks and your own things. And yeah,
like my memory is that you you didn't really like
the mommies that much. Like the job itself was was
dissatisfying creatively, but you were kind of like, eugh, I

(53:27):
want to be doing the real stuff. Yeah, well was
I remember the character was like kind of a deadbeat character.
That was the ongoing joke is like, oh, he just
never does anything. He's always just making out with his
girlfriend on the couch, you know, which was always a
funny thing. So I remember she was great, but you
know she was I think she was like twenty five
or something, and you know, here I am like nineteen

(53:47):
year old. She's just laying on me, and I'm like, okay,
don't think too much about what's actually.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Yeah, remember that you're on camera seventeen.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Dude, you weren't nineteen. You were only sixteen seventeen doing
the Mommies. It's so hard to try and put this
in perspective because you know, I mean, you're acting like
an adult at such a young age, you know. Yeah,
so I think, yeah, not having that sense of you know,
community or friendships on the set kind of right a toll.
I think, yeah, do you remember the creative team that

(54:16):
was in charge, like who was the executive producer, what
the note sessions were like, or any of them? No,
I don't, you know, I don't remember anybody. I don't
remember anybody really giving me. I just didn't have much
to do, like much of a character, you know, so
I didn't have really I think I had one episode
that was like actually about my character, and every other
one it was just sort of like one or two

(54:37):
lines here there, bopping in. And you know, it only
went for two seasons, if even that, I think, I
don't even think. We got picked up halfway through the
second season.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
But the Mommies, now, so the Mommies, if memory serves,
they were two were they stand ups? Originally two stand
up comedians that worked together. They're like a comedy team, right.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yes, And their whole bit was sort of like being
the moms and you know, mom jokes, right, you know.
Then they yeah, and then they got this TV show,
so they you know, I don't think they were classically
trained actors, but they might have been. But no, no,
it was the nineties. It was the nineties.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
I mean the nineties with Seinfeld and the Jeff fox
Worthy Show. I mean, if you were a stand up,
you were you'd get a sitcom. So so that was
kind of yeah exactly, I said, they're handing them out
and when you when you get out of it. But yeah,
so that's I remember that because I remember you you
and I talking about it where it was like, yeah,
they're stand ups and they're kind of do their bit
every week, and it was like, okay.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Well, strangely they were from Petaluma, which is right by Sebastopos,
so they were from northern California, and yeah, they had
just become a phenomenon, like their stand up routine, you know,
and then yeah, they got these They had competing offers,
they had offers from every network to do a sitcom,
and they chose NBC and got a full first season
order just off of selling their show. So that's what's

(55:50):
so interesting is that The Mommies was a higher profile
show like Boy Meets World was like what will this
thing go? You know? And then The Mommies was like
the more short thing, and I mean they were great.
I mean, who knows why things don't work out, you know.
I mean back then it was all about the ratings
and you know, like who you're up against. I mean,
that was always ruffle that they were trying to do.
You know, it's so funny because I feel like that's

(56:11):
an age that's passed now, right. I mean, it's not
really a conversation that people have anymore. I don't even
know how shows keep going.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
As writer mentioned in your Downtime, then on The Mommies
you learn to juggle. There have been many times on
the podcast where we have waxed poetic and praised the
uniqueness of the overall just cool vibe that is Shiloh Strong.
Did you see yourself as confident then or was it
just that you wanted to ride around on a unicycle
and wear a top hat.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
The cool and smoke a pipe pipe.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Yeah, it wasn't a top app it was a It
was a bowler bowler bowler, which was great. That was
like my ultimate hacky sack move because you could.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Like storm, I remember that, and you could put oh buddy,
are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Warm memory unlocked?

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Oh my gosh, you guys hacky sacking and you resting
that hacky sack on the book.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
I literal core me.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yes, I don't know, like yeah, I definitely did not
think I was cool. I don't think like cool. Was
not like a uh no, it was just it was,
you know, coming from northern California and none such and
this kind of awkward, weird. Everybody was like encouraged to
be creative in themselves, you know, non judgmental or try

(57:32):
to be right, and you know, it kind of worked
on the flip side of that, as anybody who like
conformed to the norm.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Was you know, oh yeah, you were allowed to judge them.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Yes, of course. So I'm back.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
I'm back here in Avon, and I went to my
clean out my closet. When I got here, I was
putting stuff in there and.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Most of it's gone.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
But there's still one stick left from the juggling things
that we brought to.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Adam to me, Yes, oh my god, what these are
the ones, by the way, that we would do in
Vondel Park.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
This is literally the same one that was there. So yeah,
I saw that today. I was like, oh my god,
the Devils sticks.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
That's what we would just hang out in the park
and Hacky Sack play with the sticks and like, oh
that was so much fun. Oh it's a great trip.
It was an absolutely great I remember the juggling thing
I had trying to remember. I had this whole theory, which
was okay, and I still believe this. There's a part
of your brain that that actually connects the left and
the right hemispheres of your brain, you know how the

(58:35):
two were kind of like a logical and you know,
more creative. And so I had this idea that if
you have anything that ever crosses between those two hemispheres,
like if you're passing a ball back and forth or
hacky sacking, as long as you're using ambidextris right, that
that's going to be like strengthening that part of your
brain and causing you to feel more creative, but also
bringing in some of your reasoning capacities. So that was

(58:59):
thinking of it in that way, and it was always
just a good challenge and something to do. You know,
while I was by myself sitting in the waiting or trailer,
you know, and you were always so like, I mean,
you're athletic, but you were also just acrobatic because we
did gymnastics and you were really good at gymnastics. And and
then I remember you discovered chaplain and like the whole

(59:20):
idea of like physical comedy, and you decided to master
a lot of these like cool skills, which in retrospect
is like pretty awesome for a you. Like, I'm not
just going to be a kid actor. I'm also going
to figure out how to do all these tricks. And yeah,
Buster was so cool. No, that's nice to hear. Thanks, guys,
that's cool. I mean, yeah, I love all that. I mean,

(59:41):
it's funny. It's transferred over now as an adult. I
mean I still juggle, like I still have my juggling balls,
these little pasts, because that's why I have notes to
myself if I start stressing out, it's like, hey, dude,
just juggle. I'm like, all right, okay, you know, find
the ways to calm the anxiety if you start freaking out.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
I love those tools, those little self help tools.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Those are great. You gotta find them some way. I
would get so anxious trying to juggle. Damn it. I
would love to learn how to juggle. Yeah, it's so
it's very therapeutic, you know. Okay, I could totally see that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Jumping ahead a bit, We haven't talked a lot about
making Girl Meets World on the show, mostly because we
try to keep it up beat, but I do know
that a major high point for everyone on the show
was how much you and Writer were able to direct us.
You guys were so wonderful. It was such a major
high point for the entire cast. How did it feel

(01:00:53):
to not only step foot again on a show you
had both obviously been very close to for so long,
but to now work with like a new generation of kids,
little writers and Shiloh's essentially decades later.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
How was that? What did that feel like for you?

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah, yeah it was. Yeah. Working with the kids was amazing.
Like walking back on that set just felt like going
back into like a time capsule, you know, like but
in the best possible way, because it was so comfortable
and familiar and being with you guys and working with
you guys again in that way was so rewarding. Like, yeah,

(01:01:29):
it was. Yeah. And seeing the kids being able to
I mean, they were so great and so down and
you know, gosh, I just love that sitcom. You know,
you get to rehearse, you get to work the jokes
and figure out the blocking and get you know, it's
just like the the whole week is just and then
leading up to that show, it was just so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Like yeah, and we did a live studio audience on
Girl Meets World, which which is still very rare. So yeah,
I mean it's it's really rare. We were one of
the only people who was doing it even back then,
and that is that was just.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
It nothing like it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
There's not I mean, there really is nothing, and it's
it's a shame because it's dying and it is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
It is you know, the full sitcom.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
You're rehearsing a play every week, but then you get
to lead up to show night where you're actually, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Then taping the thing. It is just it's it is.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
It's so unique in our industry and it's a shame
that it's going away because it is a wonderful experience.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yeah, that's just gone now. Yeah, I remember, I mean
as directors for Shilah and I like the week. You know,
during the week, you're just rehearsing without really you know,
you have some props and but there's no cameras, there's
no audio equipment, and for us, it was just kind
of like our domain, you know, Like and I remember
we had a lot of conscious like conversations about like,

(01:02:49):
let's make sure that these kids are not only hitting
their beats and saying our lives, but like learning how
to act or like understanding what acting is, you know,
because kid actors come in with all their own ideas
and they're you know, and they're always being told what
to do or what the end results should be. And
we knew from having been in those shoes, like how
crazy that can be and how intimidating that can be.

(01:03:11):
And we were like, let's make this just the coolest,
safest space ever. And I feel like we just always
had fun, you know. I just remember having so much
fun with the kids and they were so Yeah. Well
it wasn't just the kids.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
I mean, Danielle, you weren't directing yet at the time
that I had gone on Girl Mets World. So I
remember because again I would have loved to have worked
with you, but that was part of the deal of
me coming back, because I, you know, was dealing with anxiety.
I hadn't been on camera in years and years and years,
and part of the quote unquote contractor for me coming
back was that you guys directed me. It was like
I knew that, you know again with someday I'm going

(01:03:44):
to work with Danielle as a director. But at the
time you guys were there and I knew it was
just like, Okay, at least they'll know I'll be it'll
be safe, it'll be calm, it'll be comfortable. So that
was like part of the deal was Okay, I'll come
back and do these episodes if writer and Shilock can direct.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
It, and they're like, oha, fine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
I was obviously very close to all of those kids,
and every time we would see your names on a script,
there was just a sense of like relief. There was
really a sense of oh good, We're going to have
a good week. We're going to be in safe hands.
We're going to be in hands that are gonna encourage
us and guide us and make it fun. You know,
you guys played running charades. You made sure that you

(01:04:23):
built time into because as fun as the Boy Meets
World set was, Girl Meets World did have a different energy.
It was not the same and it didn't need to
be different. It could have been the same, but it
wasn't for whatever reasons, and you guys tried to infuse
it with fun wherever you could, and so that it

(01:04:44):
was such a It was just such a joy to
work with you both, and so thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Oh yeah, thank you. Looking back, I mean, especially working
with you in particular, was anytime we had a scene together,
I was just always like, oh, I just know this
is going to work. Great. That's what started directing too, right,
wasn't that during that period?

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yeah, second season I got to do one and then
in season three I got to do three more, so
I I yeah, but it was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Amazing to see even in the first season. I remember
when whenever we first started working together, I remember you
were already able to see how the whole scene would work,
and having your relationship with the kids independently was so
helpful to be able to talk to you and recognize,
oh the dynamics here. I think it was just Yes,
you were like a rock of support. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Yeah, it was the number one thing I was most
excited about when we came onto Girl Meets World. Was like,
I can't believe I'm going to get to be the adult,
the responsible adult who looking back, I didn't even realize
until we started this podcast how much I had taken
Betsy and Rusty and Bill Daniels for granted. But I

(01:05:54):
even then, even when we started Girl Meets World, was
aware enough that they were such like good examples of
professionalism that I was like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
I can't believe I get to be a I get
to be one of those, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
And because I'm the mom to the mom on the
show to these kids, I'm going to have developed strong
relationships with them, and we'll be able to work with
the directors as just an actor, but.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
To help bring all of this to life.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
It was like literally the number one thing I was
most excited about. And some directors, of course, are more
receptive to that feeling. And it's usually the actor directors
who are who know very well that actors have a
lot to contribute to making a show come to life
if you're willing to allow them as collaborators instead of
a Stuppens.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Oh yeah, well, that's the thing. When we came in,
I remember watching because we started shadowing the directors that
were already working, and they would just be stand over here,
walk over here, do this, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Helping them by the elbow, literally pulling up by the
elbow a couple of inches.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
And I remember shallow and I being like, okay, day
one question number one to the kids is what do
you want to do? What do you think? How do
you know? And and I remember like the biggest accomplishment
for child and I was like, there was one there
was one episode where we realized that Rowan was doing
it different every take and we're like, she feels confident,

(01:07:16):
He's she's free. She's like she had somehow like every
lie every time she did it, she was like I
just out of her head and like in the moment
and we were like, oh, she's good, it's happening, And
it was like that's what that's what we miss, you know,
like that's the best feeling. Yeah. I remember one another
girl be Well moment. I remember Will. It was seeing

(01:07:37):
you and I don't know if it was the first
time you came back, but when you did the mister
Squirrels bit with you and watching you like work that
through and finding the beats, it was it was just magical. Man.
I mean, I just think you are hands down one
of the best comedic actors, I've ever seen you in
that in that moment and finding it and feeling the

(01:07:59):
audience reaction when the door opened, like it's just burned
in my memory. Oh well, it was nuts. Do you
remember they had they gave Will like seventeen beats, yes, comedy,
and he had to like show up in the costume,
the costume if play a trumpet. At one point, I
feel like it was like all this stuff that they
were just loading on you, And I remember getting in

(01:08:19):
the rehearsal and being like, oh my god, like looking
at the script and be like, how are we going
to get this? And then we'll just it. Well, do
you remember.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Two that week?

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
That was one of the examples of Michael who has
an almost cartoon like image in his mind and he
just is telling you, well, you need to figure out
how to bring this to life. And the whole bit
with that was he wanted in one move the entire costume,
including the beard and the hair and all of the
clothes in one move, like, let's say, from the beard.

(01:08:48):
He wanted him to pull the beard and have all
of it disappear so that he was only wearing boxers
and we were like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
The realm of reality. How do you say? And I
don't care, I don't know. Whatever you need to do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Talk to wardrobe, talk to and he just expected you,
guys and will to bring it to life. And that
was definitely a moment where I just tiptoed my way back,
like you know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Homer Simpson into a bush. I'm just gonna knock out
of this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
If it was anybody else, Shallow and I would have
been like, absolutely impossible. But we were like, I think
we'll do it, and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Just what he figured out a way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
It was fun. I just remember working with the kids.
Working with the kids was amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
It really was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Totally well, Shiloh, Now you have shifted your focus to photography,
and I know a quick look at your Instagram shows
new profile pictures of Seth Rogen and Kristin Davis, as
well as an interest in men's dating profile pics.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Well, yeah, that's a's a that's a pretty fun story.
I randomly, when I was living up in Northern California,
I was looking for a job and I found this
listing for a company that was looking for like a
said male dating profile photography, and I was like, okay,
that that's fascinating, and so I applied and I'm like this, Yeah,

(01:10:04):
this sounds like it'd be kind of fun to do.
And then it's this company. They're called the Match Artist,
and they basically are a nationwide but it's they cater
mostly to men, but women do it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Too, but right, it's a matchmaking service.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
It's not even that, it's just the photography.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Then I went to school for photography, Like photography has
always been my thing that I love. Like that's when
I went to college. I was like it was kind
of my backup plan for everything else because I was,
you know, you know, get a real job, like a photographer,
Like only an actor can think that. That's like a
steady gig. Right, I'll get a real job. I'll play

(01:10:40):
drums in a band. But it's been great. I mean
I really I've always loved photography and visual storytelling, you know,
so that kind of and in these situations, you know,
I go and I meet somebody who needs looking for love,
which is always a noble west and kind of to

(01:11:00):
know them and then you craft a story about who
they are and photograph them in the best possible light.
And it's been amazing, Like I've met so many really
interesting men, all different ages from like twenty five to
fifty five and photographing their profile pictures to help them
go out there and do it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
I love this so much because every dude I know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Has pictures, like if you were to if they were
going to go and put together a dating profile, they
have pictures of themselves, but they've never taken consideration for
the lighting where they took a photo, who else is
in that photo, what the positioning of their body was,
Like you're just not thinking about that. So then you
go to create a profile and you want to put
your best foot forward because somebody has to make a

(01:11:46):
quick judgment about whether or not they're interested in dating you,
and you're looking through probably a bunch of photos that
are either too old do not represent you in a
way that is putting your best foot forward.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
This is so, this is so smart.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Oh, it's totally it's yea, every no, it's it's true.
It's been an amazing experience, and yeah, and recognizing how
much that has changed in the culture now this is
how people meet online, especially the younger generation. So like, yeah, yeah,
so I'm exploring them, working on a documentary trying to
explore this kind of world because it's just fascinating to

(01:12:22):
me of like these you know, men looking for love
and following them, but then also trying to understand the
changing dynamics of masculinity and how we present ourselves and
what that means in today's society. So it's a work
in progress. But yeah, so yes, thank you for But
the photography has always been a part of my life
and that's kind of the next Yeah, it would.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Be your dream subject for a portrait.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Oh gosh, you know, I I just love people. I
mean that's what I've realized. Like who's oh Will, Yeah,
let's do a photo Shore Will if you want to.
I mean, honestly, this is what I've realized. No, no, no, stop,
can do this. I realized I love photographing creative people,
you know, like portraits, and if there's some way that

(01:13:07):
I can give a little bit of like a collaborative collaboration,
I mean that's the thing. We've all worked in this
same industry where you know, collaboration is key, and so
finding some way that somebody wants to present themselves either.
You know, I remember shooting a guy years ago who
was a magician, and this is when I had a
studio downtown and he came in with like all of
his props and his stuff, And it's just so fun

(01:13:29):
to work through somebody to figure out how they want
to present themselves and how I can kind of help
tell their story. I guess in a way that I
am feeling like I'm contributing some aspect to that in
the storytelling. And I you know, for me, I like
photos that kind of make people question, like, oh, what's
kind of going on here? Are something funny or quirky
or interesting? Yeah, but like I don't really have like

(01:13:53):
an ideal subject, I mean, honestly, I just yeah, any
creative endeavor person honestly would be a good one, right,
But you definitely like people with personality or their own
their own Yeah, like the worst would be I mean
because you actually have done quite a bit of fashion
photography too, which is cool, but you always veer towards

(01:14:14):
a storytelling. So even your fashion photography, you would find
ways to like, oh, the story of this photo shoot is,
and you would come up with this insanely complicated narrative
just we're basically selling close, I know, And that was
I kind of got when I was in school. I
had this amazing instructor, Nino, who was a fashion teacher,

(01:14:35):
and you know, it was And that's what I loved
about is because I would create these photo shoots and
do a whole thing. And I realized, I'm like, I
don't care about the clothes. I'm like, that's not a
good thing. That's not good. This shouldn't be. But I
mean that's why. You know, when you do a fashion shoot,
you've got a stylist. You know, it's a full production
if you have the money. It just costs a lot
to do it right. And also, you know, majority of

(01:14:57):
fashion photography is up against a white wall photography and
put it on the internet. You know. I got like
the editorial fashion photos, and that's a really tough world
to break into, especially in Los Angeles, Like it's more
of a New York, you know, which I'd considered going
to New York. But yeah, then like house burned out
in Santa Barbara, and then.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I moved back to Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
You with me, and then you came and lived with
me after I was like, well, I have nowhere to go.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
I was like, come live with me. That was awful.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
I remember I had to give you a belt, like
you literally had nothing nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
No, literally everything fit in my car. I actually went
to Goodwill and got rid of everything that I that
wouldn't fit in my car because I was like, you know,
but I mean, I you know, luckily I had a
change of clothes and a surfboard and writer was right
down in the World Canyon and you were there at
the time. So yeah, it was two and seven right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Burned down.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
So it was in Santa Barbara and there was just
a wildfire that came through and I was down in
La Rider and I were down in and I remember
I got the call from the people who lived in
the front house and they were like, hey, there's a
fire here, you better get back up. And I jumped
in the car and I couldn't get back up and
just sat in Santa Barbara was able to stay with
a friend of mine at the time, and just watched

(01:16:13):
the hillside explode.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
Oh my gosh, yeah didn't you didn't you have a
motorcycle at the time, so I remember there wasn't there
a photograph. The only thing left was like a melted engine.
That was all you could make out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Yeah, it was like the chrome on the wheels of
the tire had melted and created like river of chrome.
I mean it was so it must have been so hot.
I mean every glass thing I had in the house
was like just turned into like marbles basically. I mean,
it's the most surreal experience anybody Like it was the
most surreal experience I'd had up to that point in

(01:16:45):
my life. Like still to this day, if I smell fire,
I get I can feel myself getting like, you know,
crazy about it. I was awful, man. Yeah, you lost
all your photo negatives because you had you you have
been shooting on film a lot. Yeah, that went all
the way through.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
Yeah, you lost all your magic cards. I remember, you
lost all your magics, like you lost everything. Yeah, you know,
he had a whole complete Legends collection, which I.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Remember, I won't look up to see how much that's worth.
But I would never I would never sell that. But still, yeah, yeah,
I mean it taught me a lot of lessons about uh,
you know stuff. We have so much stuff in our lives,
you know, And it made me try and be as
conscious as possible moving forward, because not many people get
an opportunity like that to kind of get a clean slate.

(01:17:30):
You know, I mean, how old was I thirty one?
I think or something and was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
I mean, it's really a way to reframe it. That
what an opportunity to start with a clean slate. I mean,
you know, that's a healthy perspective instead of you know
what most of us would probably think, which is why
did my life get ruined at thirty one?

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Right? Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, I mean, yeah,
luckily I had an amazing support system some of the
people right here, you know, so I can imagine not
not having that. But I remember at the time too,
like actually Shiloh's reaction was was too good in the
sense that he he was like, I shouldn't care about this,
I shouldn't be emotionally affected because it's just stuff. It's

(01:18:11):
just stuff, and it doesn't matter, and I don't care
about things. And I was like, yeah, you don't care
about things, but allow this to be a sad tragedy.
And like I remember just crying with him and like
having to be like, it's okay to feel bad about
losing your stuff. It is just stuff, but it's still
an emotion. It's still awful, still a loss, yeah, still loss,

(01:18:32):
Like you where you're at now? Sounds you're absolutely right,
But you were already there right away. You're like, I
shouldn't be upset about this. I was like, it's okay
to be upset. Yeah, I remember we had the time.
I mean I remember coming back that night and we
went to Cat in the Fiddle and if you remember
that ryder but sitting there and I just remember being
I was so wrecked, you know, but I was just
in shock. You know. It's not every day you walk
up to your house and it's just literally, you know,

(01:18:52):
six inches of ash and you're just like, Okay, what what's.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
The meaning of this?

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Yeah, I mean I never really get into that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
But it's also unless you've seen a California wildfire, any
kind of wildfire, what they can do. People can kind
of they think of like a burnt out house or
there was a fire in a kitchen something like that.
Every single thing was gone. There weren't pillars in the house.
I mean, it was gone. So you left a house
and you came back to an ash covered field. I mean,

(01:19:21):
it's really amazing to because you hear, oh, there was
a fire in the house, and sometimes you don't get
the visual of like nothing level right, right, Yeah, yeah,
crazy crazy Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Yeah, well, Shiloh, we have so enjoyed having you here
with us today. Your name has come up obviously, of course,
so often since we've been doing the podcast. We appreciate
you allowing us to talk about your life and share
your stories, you know, through all of our experiences, but
especially through writers. You're obviously such an important part of
Writer's life and childhood, so he wouldn't be who he

(01:19:56):
is without you as well, and vice versa. So thank
you for sharing your time with us, and we'd love
to have you back anytime. But we're so appreciative you
came here with us today.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Oh, thank you guys. This has been so great. I
love seeing you guys, so yeah, and I love what
you guys are doing. So I got to catch up
on some more.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Yeah you've got like maybe one hundred episodes or so.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
No, thank you guys so much. This is this has
been great.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Also, maybe you can come back and let us know
how your dinner with Hillary goes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Whenever you've seen her.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Maybe you guys could come back and just you know,
let us know how that goes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Great to see you, Shiloh, you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Too, Okay, bye, dude, I of you two of you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Oh man, jeez, how was that? Writer great?

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
I mean, yeah, it's so funny because I feel like
we didn't even cover like our twenties. You know, we
only come out of adolescence. It's like so much more.
But yeah, I mean, he's my brother. I love him.
It's so great to talk to him. But it's it
is funny because, like he we don't actually talk about
this period of our life that much like our adolescence.
You know, it's like it's sort of just understood. So

(01:21:12):
it's cool to hear his perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Yeah, I know, you know, you talk about the twenties
and stuff. It's like, of course we're you know, so
much of our show is talking about our teen years
and all that time we spent together. Yeah, I mean,
it's it is. I've never I mean I think about
it every now and then when I think about things.
Writer and I both tend to be very open book
like anything. We're just ready to talk about whatever it

(01:21:37):
is that has gone on in our lives. I never
really think about how so much of sharing your childhood
is also sharing childhows and so have you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Guys talked about that at all since we've started the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Yeah, I mean yeah, Like he's listened to some episodes
and and brought them up, and we've had like some
good and really intense conversations actually like good ones, you know.
But like reflecting on I think, like what we talked
a little bit about here, reflecting on our parents' experience
has just been mind blowing because I don't think I
had really done that until right around this, doing this podcast,

(01:22:16):
and like thinking about my poor mom driving around with
the Thomas Gootide and like how many times you'd get lost,
how many times you'd be late for auditions? How many
you know, and and it's like, oh my god, yeah,
that must have been so much work because not only
were you doing it for one kid, you were doing
it for two, and we were both so committed and
into it, and she supported they both my both my

(01:22:37):
parents supported both of us, and like, it's just a
it's such a it's so impressive to me, you know,
and the fact that you know, we survived and and
enjoyed it and have positive memories about it is pretty remarkable.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
Well, it also just shows you how self centered everybody
is when they're children, because but it mirrors what we're
watching on the show where we all of us took
us the Betsy even Bill for granted, and we're like,
we talk about that every week.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Man, we took them for granted. And then there's times
we're at dinner where we're like, we really took our
parents and everything they were going through for you know,
it's that same thing where it's just your kid, your
life is all about you and you're the center of
your world, which is exactly what Boy Meets World is about.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
And then and even as adults now you're looking back
and just going, wow, we took all this for granted,
and the adults for granted, and our parents for granted.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
And yeah, it's just that's one of the things.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
Not to bring it back to the show, but I
think one of the things that makes our show last
as long as it has is it is a completely
different show when you're watching it as an adult, right,
So you know what's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Funny about I was thinking about how because Danielle uh At,
when whenever we do interviews, her last question tends to
be if you could go back and tell young you're
so and what the number one answer is, just enjoy it,
Just have fun. It's not look around with the parents
and be more responsible. No, it's like, actually, like you

(01:23:56):
just got to be a kid, you know, even if
you are perfessional, working child actor or whatever, it is
more the most important thing is to just be sure
that you're aware of how fun it is and like
how lucky you are. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
Well, they say youth is wasted on the young, and
it's the part of that is true.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
So yeah, well, thank you all for joining us for
this episode of Podmeets World. As always, you can follow
us on Instagram pod Meets World Show. You can send
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Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
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Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
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Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
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