TGI - Episode 207 “Wake Up Little Cory”

Everyone remembers their first…especially if it didn’t actually happen. This episode features some high school documentary filmmaking and the great misunderstanding of Cory and Topanga’s accidental sleepover. Find out what Danielle recalls happening (or not happening) heading into such an adult themed episode and the advice Michael Jacobs gave her that helped her acting for the rest of the series.
Plus, find out what Will does at bedtime - even if you don’t want to know!
Wake up! It’s time for class…

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
So, do you guys have something pre show chatter wise
you want to talk about? I have something very briefly
if you want, great is an update on your urine room.
It is okay, it is. Let's take a moment to
hear the update on urinate on um so I can.

(00:39):
I can hear my own thoughts. I'm so happy. Have
either of you ever had water damage in your house
that has to have a water company come in to
fix it? No, but my mom has and I was
around for that. So they just they cut open your
walls and they take everything and then they put in
these giant bands in every room and these huge that

(01:01):
have to run twenty seven and we have them in
two different rooms of the house, going all day and
night long for the last four or five days. And
I had shut them off to do the podcast. And
it's just I'm probably not gonna say anything all day.
I'm just gonna sit and quietly listen to you speak,
because it's just being able to hear again is the

(01:24):
nicest thing. So you're gonna have to turn them back
on after the second they go back on the water.
Do they have to like were you talking about? Yeah?
And in the wall, Well, because I thought it went
under the house. It actually didn't. It turned out the
rain blew it through a bad window and through the roof,
so it soaked the carpet, and then the puddle sat
under the carpet, which then soaked up on the walls

(01:46):
because we didn't know what it was at first. So
now if you can see, it looks like it's just
whitest snow where my bookcases used to be back here,
like I'm actually shooting in like the middle of a blizzard. Um,
but it's they they the room is just ripped to shreds.
It's down to the studs all the way out there
with just all this equipment that I have to go
and turn on again. And then it's Sue and I
yelling at what do you want for dinner? Yeah, it

(02:09):
is insane. So I'm just very happy it's just silently.
Yeah hear what Now you just get to hear the
dulcet tones of right or strong and Daniel fishing. I
will hear those, either of you sleep with white noise.
No I sleep. I go to sleep listening to podcasts
or audio books, though so would that count because I

(02:30):
guess technically we go to sleep to mash Or Seinfeld. So,
I mean it's kind of white. I guess it's because
it's a focused noise. But you turn on the television
and fall asleep to it doesn't do our TVs on all.
I mean, I think I did that when I was younger,
but now I would just feel the pressure to stay awake,
like you have to keep your eyes open to see.
That's why we watch something that we know and if

(02:50):
and if one of us falls asleep and the TV
shuts itself off, occasionally one of us will wake back
up and turn it back on at like three o'clock
in the morning. So that is your version of white noise,
because you almost an't sleep. If you wake up and
notice it's off, You're like, well, now I can't sleep
without that noise running in the background. Feels very still.
It's like not having even when it's cold in our room,
which we like, we'll still have a fan on because

(03:10):
we need the air to move, it just feels very still.
So I guess there's probably people out there who fall
asleep to Boy's World that might be like they're like,
I would think, yeah, we have a really loud laugh
track on our show, do we do. Yeah, people of comment,
you've never heard that before. I've been like multiple people
say to me, you know, the Boyment's World laugh track

(03:30):
is extremely loud compared to other shows, which is funny.
I'm not even sure I've noticed the laugh track at
all in these episodes we've been watching. Yeah, I almost
feel like I've completely tuned them out. I have to agree,
I feel the same way. So I actually had a
comment about the audience with this episode. I was really
aware of the audience. Yeah, we'll get into it, but
like I felt the audience's presence. They gave two applause

(03:53):
moments that were really interesting and yeah, well we'll talk
about it. Because I was, I was really aware of
the audiences type. I was like, oh, this this show
was on fire. Yeah. I did notice there was like
a big clap in the one of the hallway scenes.
We can we'll talk about that, but speaking Blake, Blake
gets applause after you and then we'll get applause on online.
But they really lost it at me falling off the
chair in the beginning, Like, yeah, it's like that physical

(04:17):
humor like escalated on. So I was, yeah, it's so
funny thinking the same thing you set the tone for
kind of where we were going big the Yeah. Well,
speaking of audience, we recently got a comment from a
listener and it comes from her name was Peji and
Angela on Instagram and she said she was in the
studio audience for the live taping of Notorious, the episode

(04:40):
we recapped two weeks ago, and she remembers as a
core memory that writer and will sing the Animaniac's theme
song and stay by Lisa Lobe into the mic between scenes.
So she asked for confirmation that this is something you
guys did would have done, because she almost feels like

(05:02):
she makes it up. I don't know the animania X
theme song? What is the Animaniac themes? I think what
she's talking about? You sure she's not was Notorious? Was
Jason and Notorious? I think so? Yes? Okay, So you
sure she's not talking about Jason doing because he would
go up to the studio and do the United States, Canada, Mexico, Panama, Hate,
jamaicap Peru. He do that whole long Animaniac song. But
I don't know the I mean, I know the Animaniacs

(05:23):
theme song is like We're the animani but I don't
know it either. I mean, that's the most I know
of it. So I know the Tiny Tunes remember of
Tiny Tunes theme song, We're Tiny Carton. But I don't
know if I would have sung that and stay by
Lisa Lobe was that even out yet? I feel like
that I don't know, but I mean, I definitely loved

(05:46):
that song. I actually did an episode of that other podcast,
um the Sixties Songs to Define the Nineties. I told
you guys, I did an episode on Lisa Lobe. Um,
if anybody wants to go listen to all of my
thoughts about it's great songs. Stay yeah, so um so.
But I don't think I would have signed it because
I'm a horrible singer and I'm very insecure about singing.
So I mean, maybe she meant she might have meant

(06:07):
Jason doing that Animaniac song, because he would, you know Jason,
and he's gonna if there's a microphone around him, he's
gonna grab it and do whatever. I don't remember him
doing that, but yeah, that's definitely sounds more like adjacent
thing than I mean. I don't think I would have
grabbed a mike and sang well shoke for a couple
of seconds, but yeah, we're not We're not so sure
about that one. Angela. We were hoping to verify that

(06:28):
you were not making it up, but maybe you made
it up. The mystery not solved. I didn't. I mean,
did you guys interact with the audience that much? Yes?
I did you I didn't. I always kind of. I
would always talk with Mitch and then I talked with
the audience, and then when we started our dance, we
would do that thing that was like the last season.

(06:50):
I don't know if there's any I mean there's some footage,
but I don't know if there's any like the entire
dance that we did. I mean, we have some footage
because we used it in our video that we showed
at the end of the year. But again, I think
it was the do you guys want to tell people
about the dance? Um? Yea. How did the dance start?
Will was? It was something you started with him, and

(07:11):
so we would we would fake dance too. It started
with just the two of us fake dancing to a
Backstreet Boy song, which was I Want it that way right,
And then Matt Lawrence came in, who again, that was
a stupid addition, for a number of reasons, one because
he could actually sing and dance, and two because you
could see his abs through his trench coat, so it

(07:32):
was automatically made us all with bad and would actually
sing along with the track and sound good. And it
was just horrifying. And then Rider, you held out the
longest and then you saw us rehearsing one time, You're like, well,
we don't want to do that. So then we made
was that like, you guys, try and get me to
join in to do it. I say no, And then
I came bursting in halfway through the song yea, and

(07:58):
the culminated Ben's like taking a shirt off. And we
loved doing it. The audience loved it, and the crew
hadeed it was amazing. I hated it because they have
to pull everything to the side. It would be another
half an hour because by the time we got done
talking and singing and doing it, it was minutes on
show night where you know, everyone just wanted to shoot

(08:18):
and get home. So I'll be like, we're doing the
dance and every year and you look over in the
crew it was just like you sun these guys. Yeah,
so it was fun, but yeah, that was good. Well,
welcome to what I cannot dance stop. I can do
a lot of things really well. Sisode all you need

(08:40):
to see Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel fisherl
I'm Rider Strong, and I'm will Fredell. So today we
are recapping season two episodes. Even Wake Up Little Corey.

(09:01):
It originally aired November four. The synopsis is that Corey
and Topanga accidentally spend the night at school while working
late on an assignment. In the morning, they find out
that the entire school thinks they slept together. Wow. Directed
by David Trayner, written by Jeff Minnell and Glenn Merser.
Guest starring Danny McNulty as Harvey Harley Kiner, Blake Soper

(09:24):
as Joey there At, and Bob Larkin as Janitor bud So.
Jumping into our recap, we start in Turner's classroom, and uh,
what should we talk about Turner's tie? Yes, yeah, but
I I have This is where the I want high
def cameras, Like our show was shot at such a
low resolution that I'm like squinting at the screen trying

(09:46):
to figure out what's on his tie, Like I couldn't
see what it is I thought it looked like Dominoes
with the APP symbol on it, like you know, like
it did. It was it kind of looked like an
AT squiggle on dominoes because they were like, you know,
rectangular shaped, and there were three of them. It doesn't
really make much sense. I don't know what it is,

(10:08):
but I don't think Southwestern style, you know, like just
like patterns, and I thought dominoes. So, but it could
be the AT symbol because the AD symbol was no, no,
it wasn't actually the AT symbol. It just looked like
a squared off version of the AT symbol, like if
the AT symbol could have like squared like rounded squared edges.

(10:28):
That's kind of what you're all paying attention to, not
the word sexy. I love that you've got sex, love,
and and and scan written on the board and everyone
in the classes at thirteen is asleep. I know that's
the point. I know, but even with set, I mean
that's the joke. As you walk into place, you go sex.
Now that I got your attention, Yeah you know, so

(10:50):
you got the sex and giant letters on the board.
I know, Uh so that's exactly right. Mr Turner is
teaching Shakespeare. He's writing Love, Sex, Slander on the chalkboard,
and the entire classes asleep. Mid lecture, Sean falls out
of his desk, dozing off, big laugh from the audience
for funny. Yeah, this is where the audience really goes

(11:11):
for it. I was like they were feeling us this night.
Ben really kicks me. Really, I don't know how we
got away with it. I was wondering it just looks
I watched it twice because I was like, obviously I
wasn't actually hurt, but he full on kicks me, And
I was like, was I wearing a pad or did
they add a sound effect after? That's probably sound sounds

(11:33):
like he really just goes for it. It looks like
he really goes for it. It's like that's cool, like it,
I mean, it's it makes the joke funnier. But I
was trying to figure out how we got away with that. Like,
I will guarantee, knowing you, even at that age you
said to men really kick me, Yeah, I would guarantee
that's what happens. He was pulling his punches, pulling his punches,
and at one time you just went kick me and

(11:55):
one which always hurt myself. Actually in the throat. Yeah,
you're that guy. So I'll go ahead and actually jumped
from the helicopter. Okay, let's do it a Tom Cruise.
That's that's always been your nickname. Uh so, I mean also,
I'm not gonna not mention so happy to see myself

(12:16):
back in Turner's classrooms arrived. I mean I was. I
was so happy. Um. Mr Turner defends much ado about
nothing but to Penga says they can't relate to the
characters in this book at all, and the class compares
the romance in Shakespeare to the juicier and more shocking
romance on TV like mel rose Place, which the minute
they said that reminded me of all the years that

(12:39):
all my friends at school were allowed to watch mel
rose Place and n O two one oh, and my
mom would not allow me to watch those shows. I
never I think by the time then I would have
been allowed to watch them, I had like outgrown the
idea of even caring. But I was just not allowed
to watch that stuff because my mom was like, again,
it's sexy. Every Wednesday night we get Taco Bell, Spencer
and I when we live together, we get Taco Bell

(13:00):
all far too much talk about and sit and watch
melrose Place. It was the great and I was like,
this shows the worst and by episode four you're like,
oh man, let's say I'm gonna do or whatever their
names were, it was, Yeah, it's you're sucked into this thing. Yeah.
A lot of Shakespeare, by the way, at these schools,
lots of Shakespeare being taught. Yeah, this is our third Shakespeare,
third or four. Yeah, where it's it's there's They teach

(13:22):
a lot of Shakespeare. I also think that Willie Shakes,
which is what I call him, would would have constantly
loved being compared to Melrose Place. Yeah and why and
yeah exactly. I think he'd love that. So well. Mr
Turner sees the point, the classes point, and they he
assigns a video report using the modern medium of television.
Sean compares it to a documentary and says his uncle

(13:44):
was once in a documentary where they put a big
blue dot over his face and changed his voice. So smart,
so funny. Yeah, yeah, crazy family. We're developing this ongoing joke,
but I like it. I think this is I think
this is a fun I love the jokes about the
different uncles. Yeah, so yeah, I don't know. I think
I thought my mom's smoking when she was pregnant from

(14:08):
a little dark Did you like it? I was like, God,
this is twisted. But the uncle thing I think is hysterical.
Like I I we could just keep creating and you know,
fictional uncles. I wonder how long we're gonna keep doing that?
Do we ever meet any of my uncle's? We met
my parents, obviously, but I don't think I ever had
an uncle on the show like we did meet one
uncle had because all the guy in the Camel Flat

(14:30):
with the he I forget the actor's name, but you
also did a very famous signfill episode and you meet
him at the trailer park. But I don't know if
that's an uncle or just somebody who lives at the
trailer park. So curious. I mean, we definitely have a
Thanksgiving episode at the trailer park, but I think that
that was with Ethan's family, right, I don't know, man,
it's yeah. So Mr Turner asked the class to pair up,
and of course, Corey and Sean looked to each other

(14:51):
like they're obvious partners. But then Turner explains it has
to be boy girls so they can interview their friends
and family, and then Corey into Panga Laka, which I
thought was a very cute little moment between the two
of them, back to paying us back. It feels like it's,
you know, finally continuing what was set up in the
first season. It's great. Yeah, does anybody remember was there

(15:14):
any sort of like set up for us about like, hey, guys,
we're doing a big episode about sex. Did anybody do
you guys remember getting any sort of like no, no,
I don't either anything not telling us, They're not going
to tell us. Who's no, I think anything. The big
thing about this episode was that we were going to
be doing a documentary style show, like if anything, I

(15:36):
remember episodes where we did that, because there's another episode
where I'm like getting out of the shower and Ben's
filming me, and we did in the first season two
there was will make that face. You remember that. There's
there's multiple episodes where we did this sort of style
where like, and I think it was because it was new,
you know, the whole idea of like filming each other

(15:57):
and everybody can have a camera. Um, And what was
so funny about this episode as I realized this episode
is a precursor to The Office or those mockumentary shows,
like there's a lot of talking head jokes in this
episode where it's just like here's an interview, um, and
I was like, oh, this has become a standard form.
At the time, it was really weird um. And to

(16:17):
me it fell kind of jarring watching show when did
come out, because like, oh my god. Ben was the
one who introduced me to Waiting for Government and we
went to his houfit during lunch one day to watch
it because we had a big break in the middle
of the day and Ben was like, you've never seen
Waiting for Government and made me watch it and it was,
you know, instantly one of my favorite movies of all time.
And then Ben and I never stopped quoting it for

(16:38):
seven years. Appoint me to the world so funny. So
we continue into Mr Turner's classroom. Mr Feenie walks in
and asks Turner was the best I know. Uh so
I love that we are now just the show is
really leaning into the idea that this is the new
relationship between them, where Mr Turner comes up with a

(17:00):
fun idea and Phoenie tries to ruin the day and
say like, that's just not the way things should be
done and there's this fun dynamic between the two of them.
It's really great. I like it, but we're like six
episodes in and it's been done three times. Turner is
going to do something and Phoenie is gonna say no,
and then they're gonna find out Turner was right at
the end. It's like, how many times can they do?

(17:20):
I like the tension, but I mean to like the
resolution every time. It's like, are we just learning? Because
I mean we talked about this with the Mr. Jod episode.
I'm not quite clear on what we're learning, Like, I'm
not quite clear like who's right? And I don't know.
It feels messy to me. It doesn't feel like I
don't know. It feels like they're they're they're creating this
tension because it is burned to watch these characters vie

(17:43):
with one another, but there's no resolution, so it doesn't like,
I guess in a way, I wish somebody could be
right more. I wish Bill had a better argument, or
Tony had a better argument, and one of them actually
one one of these argument instead, it's like and then
it all works out kind of because of not because
of anything they do like it's always because of something
Corey does or right, but I think it's ultimately student exactly.

(18:06):
That's what I was going to say, is that ultimately
what they're arguing over is if given a lot of freedom,
will kids do the right thing? And Mr Feenie wants
to air on the side of don't give them the
chance to fail, even though truthfully Phoene is an unconventional
teacher too. That's the part that doesn't make it. The
first season sets up females this like Svengali Whizard behind

(18:27):
the Curtain, where he lets life experience dictate more than
that that's more important to I mean e when you
think about the geography episode, like he's willing to tank
the entire geography quiz to teach Corey this great life lesson.
So it's it's kind of a false to me, it's
a false echonomy between him and Turner just for the
sake of storyline. There's there's no way with the way

(18:50):
they set him up, and not to go back episodes,
but there's no way, for instance, with the way they
set him up that Mr Feenie would not understand the
benefits of possibly reading a comic book, right He just
would he'd get that you were reading and you were
learning about mythology, and you would turn it into an
entirely new lesson. So I get where they're going with this.
But when it started with this again and Phoene walks
in the room and again I love seeing Tony and

(19:11):
Bill on screen together. I think that's why they kept
doing this is because, yeah, Bill saying what's up is
one of the funniest things, Like you just want to
see Mr Poe turn Yeah. But again it's like, oh, here,
you're doing this thing and you're old school and I'm
new school, and it's not gonna work. It's like, Okay,
this is the same freaking thing again for like the
third time out of But if you take yourself out

(19:33):
of being a forty something your old adult critiquing it
from the standpoint of story and plot and what each
character is doing, and you just watch it as a
teen or a tween, and you go, yeah, the old
guy and the young guy. Of course they're gonna have
you know, so I can if you suspend your disbelief
and decide, even though it's a little has a shaky foundation,

(19:56):
you love seeing the two of them together. They're fantastic
together and and seeing them have conflict and seeing them
have tension is funny. So I agree. I totally agree
with what you're saying, and I think we just need
to look at it, like, you know, I don't know
what the alternative. I mean, I wish there was, like
like writer said, if if they could have real conflict

(20:17):
and one of them be right and one of them
be wrong. But going back to one of the things
we always loved about boy Meat's World in season one
is that life is a lot of gray area, and
Boy Meat's World was really good about showing like your
teacher and your dad can both have very valid points
and they have totally opposite ends of the spectrum. So
we're still kind of writing that line see the see
the critique, But I actually still really just enjoy their

(20:39):
conflict and their energy together. I think they could have
written to it. I think I think you could have
had Tony literally say like, George, is this going to
be every weekend with something? And you tell me that
it's bad? Yeah, probably, and you walked out and you
get a big joke on it. I mean, like you
could have done something like that. So again, I I
get we're We're trying not to dash everything, of course,
but it's like, by the time you seem the same
story nine times, let's see how to helps. I'm curious.

(21:01):
I really liked was amazing in this episode. This episode
fell fast and engaging, and yeah, I really love the
pacing of this episode. Just I felt they could have
done this a little better well as predicted. Phoenie says,
the halls are talking about his video assignment to the class,
and he doesn't seem very happy. He seems to know

(21:23):
about the thanks Turner is doing. Within how a second,
That's what I was gonna say. I feel like the
classroom may be bugged. And he's just wait, he's just
watching and waiting to pop in there. So uh. Phoene
says he's giving his students video cameras to talk about
sex and that's growing up way too fast and it
is not a teacher's place, and Phoenie wants Turner to

(21:44):
teach them strictly the book and to avoid talking about sex.
Turner says it's just a little project. It'll be fine,
and Phoenie compares it to Dr Frankenstein's little project Great
and then we are from the POV of Corey's camera.
The project is out underway. Corey and to Panga are
reporting from the hallway to report on the romance at school,

(22:05):
and it is right here. When I noticed I had
a cold during that I did wrote that down. I
was like it was and I was like, oh my god,
she is sick. I for sure had a cold, which
is unbelievable because I currently have a cold while we're

(22:27):
talking about this episode again. Can you believe that I
had a cold at fourteen and I have one now.
I meant that you seem to getting colds a lot
this year. Luckily, the last cold was at the end
of last year. This is my first cold of this year.
But I will say worst cold I've had in five
to ten years. Really sound really things. Still showed up

(22:48):
to do the pod. The show must go on. I'll
be honest. I've missed you guys. I've missed doing it.
We've had a little bit of a break, and I
not just missed you guys and doing the pod. I
one night was putting the kids to bed and thought,
I said, I don't have an episode of Boy Meets
World to watch for the pot. I wish I had

(23:08):
an episode to watch. I mean, I could have watched it,
but then that you know, would have defeated the purpose.
But I did. I felt like I wish I had.
I wish I had that to do so anyway I would,
I wouldn't have missed it today, just very quickly about
the showing you and coming into the camera. This is
how I know I'm getting old. It took about fifteen
seconds for me to get nauseous from watching the camera.
Always been that way. You can do a shaky camp footage, No,

(23:32):
but that's just not liking it this. I was like, oh, actually,
like actually got naut Yeah, I mean, I love the energy,
but I was like, oh, I'm old. This is I
thought it was hysterical by the like third time, the
camera pans to the left and like for the reason
and Corey's running around, I was like, oh, right, they
can't go anywhere else because if we turned around, there's

(23:53):
no walls there, there's just the studio audience. So I
just love It's the most sitcom thing ever that there's
nowhere to go. It's like early we can only point
one direction. Corey keeps running through the halls, but he's
only going to the left and then back to the right. Now,
you know this was done, even the moving camera stuff,
and everything was done in front of the audience, right,

(24:14):
I don't think so. I think it was. I don't
remember it was Okay, I didn't remember. I would have
assumed that they did. They appreciate they pre taped it.
I don't know. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we did it. Yeah,
this time it would have been a camera on someone's shoulder,
and I'm pretty sure we did it in front of
the audience because I have, um, I have memories of

(24:35):
like saying that line where I go, well, some people say,
you know sex screen anywhere or anytime, like I have,
I have a feeling. So we would have needed the
playback of all and they would have had to have
edited all the playback for the for the final scene,
so we would have we we pre type taped everything.
There's almost no doubt in my mind that we we
had to have pre because they have to have picked

(24:56):
the takes to then use for the playback later. Yeah,
you know what, And you know what because what I
was going to say is I have memories of being
hyper aware of how the audience reacted to me talking
about sex because like me actually saying the word sex
was like a big deal in my mind. Do you
remember that about this week? I do. I remember it
being like like I can't believe I'm going to talk

(25:18):
about sucks and people. It's so funny because you know,
we've we've obviously belabored this point to death about about
how you know, we aged up our show and all
this stuff. I like, I really like talking about it,
super frankly, you know, like like this this is better
to me than like the making out and like bearing

(25:39):
off and all this sort of sexy stuff. I like,
it's really to me. It's like a really cool thing
to hit it head on. What's what also was interesting
is when we choose to actually say the word, and
when we don't, Like, did you guys notice that? Well?
I think it's when what which? Who? Who's saying it?
Who's saying it? Because like, you can say it. But
then we go to Mr Turner and Corey he's like

(26:00):
absolutely actually confronting him have you had sex? He can't say,
He's like, have you actually? You know the other thing right,
because it probably would have been uncomfortable for a kid
to be asking a teacher have you had sex? So
he has to imply the question. Doesn't he also not
say it when he's talking to Joey, I think he
also doesn't say it. Then I think it's that it's

(26:20):
Corey but him. I think it's Corey who's who is
He does say it to his parents, and he know
he spells it out. I need you guys to be
mature about this. We're talking about s e X. Does
he say it at all? I don't think he. I mean,
I mean yeah, because no, because then in the in
it later when he apologizes in the video, he goes

(26:43):
the other thing and and maybe I would have had
some experience with that person who I didn't have that
experience with. So I honestly and I think it's I
think it's a deliberate character choice that this character the
whole idea is that he's not there yet, it's new
to him. The world is rolling over him. And of
course Tapanga, who has already and you know, talked about

(27:05):
being comfortable with her body and and that she would
be like sex sex totally fine that you know, But
for little Danielle, I was like, I can't believe it.
I'm gonna be talking about sex in front of people
that also you know what, if everything was pre taped.
It also makes sense as to what you were saying
earlier writer about the reaction from the audience, because they
only saw it once, so they didn't get they didn't

(27:26):
have to sit there and watch it over and over
and over again. So they watched it one time, and
that's why the reaction was so fresh and so big,
because we know by take four they'd be kind of
fake laughing or what you know, that kind of stuff.
So they obviously saw it one time and moved on.
But because we have our second NYPD Blue reference, it
was the biggest, was the biggest show. Again, That's what
I wanted to comment on. It's like it looms so large,

(27:50):
and I wonder if it has lasted for people the same.
I don't think it can you can you even get it?
I mean, can you watch people seping What happened is
like Sopranos came out in late nineties, early odds and
just changed the game for everybody. So it still talks
about the Sopranos, but actually the Sopranos, you know, NYPD
Blue walks, so the Sopranos could run. You know. It's

(28:12):
like like it really is. It's it was a groundbreaking
show at the time, and I've never seen an episode,
so I don't know, but if it was interesting to
me that it's just didn't last. I mean, here we
are doing a prewatch show boy. Betore's world in some
ways has lasted more an longer and had If you
want to see some phenomenal close face acting, David Caruso

(28:34):
and NYPD Blue will close face act better than anybody
right here. He's right here. On the other persons, Oh,
he's right there. Okay, speaking of did you didn't make
you uncomfortable to have close ups on our show? Like?
It made me extremely uncomfortable to see people's face, well,
my own face this close. It's like, never get this
close and exacting in this episode. This is the first

(28:55):
time we've ever had close ups, and I was frankly
very uncomfortable with No. I didn't, I didn't notice that
it didn't make me uncomfortable. Did you like your performance
in this episode? Because your performance is great? Thanks guys,
it's not. There were moments, there were moments that I

(29:15):
that where I felt more comfortable and I was like, hey,
that's decent, and I'll show you. I'll tell you where
they were when we get to them. But no, I
wasn't gonna harp on it because no one wants to
hear me complain. But um no, when I finally have
a performance that's good, you'll know because I'll come out
here with like confetti and throw But no, it was
thank you. That's very sweet of you. I'll tell you
where the moments were that I thought I was decent.
But the rest of the time I can I can

(29:37):
tell that I was nervous and honestly, I hear myself now. Um,
I don't say it in Michael's voice. I say it
in my voice. But I go, Danielle, slowed down, Slow down?
Why why are you racing through things? That's my biggest
complaint about my performance is not not living in the
moment or you know, facial reactions or any of that.

(29:59):
It's just too fat. That's perfect episode. I'm so curious
when you think you learned how to act like where
it's going to be well to me, it's like you've
you've ad as a presence. I don't you know, Like
I mean, it's hard. It's hard to judge acting, you know,
especially for kids like I don't know, like I I
you seem and I've said this before, you seem so confident,

(30:21):
like and that presence is very hard for a thirteen
year old girl to have and you have it, and
so like that is the accomplishment, you know, that is
like the defining characteristic of Topanga. That like, even when
we have guest stars, like they may be good, but
they don't have that like poise that you bring to
this which is essential to the character. And it makes

(30:41):
it so I mean, it makes it possible for you
to be like take me Cory, which we get into later,
and and for you to make you were uncomfortable because
this woman, this this child is a woman. You know
that this person is like very like I don't know.
To me, I has to have to have a certain
presence to be gone for so all episodes and then
come back and it's like you've never left. And so

(31:04):
that to me was amazing. Thank you both, And I
will I will say I actually I agree with that.
I definitely feel like to Panga is a presence. When
she's there, everything feels different and you're aware that she's there,
and to a certain extent, you don't want to take
your eyes off of her. As a character, like you

(31:26):
are then is bouncing around you. You can feel like
a great when he comes to life with you. You know,
it's like that presence is just it's such a great
dynamic and that's only possible because of your presence as
as an actual human being, your presence um. So that, yeah,
to me, that is enough of an accomplishment. Thanks guys.
Now I'm gonna cry. So we enter Corey Vision. I

(31:57):
can't believe we're just like in the second scene here. Okay.
So we into Vision and he's bringing style to the
project and to Panga is playing the news reporter. The
schoolbell rings and everyone leaves and no one ends up
in the hall. So Corey asks to Panga what she
thinks about sex? Does he say it there? I wonder
if he says it there? Okay, I don't know either.

(32:18):
I'm gonna go I'm gonna I'm gonna go back and check,
because I do feel like maybe he does ask her directly,
well what do you think about sex? And that may
be the only time he says it, and she says, well,
sex is a goal for boys, it's something thereafter and
they don't know why. Corey then says he has to
wake up the audience and he starts yelling about a
car chase. Corey's camera ends up on Joey the Rat,
who is exiting the boy's bathroom, and Corey asks him

(32:41):
what he thinks of sex exactly it's now a bathroom,
and Joey says sex is beautiful, especially in a monogamous
loving relationship like marriage, and then jokes if he can
say hi to his kids and walks back into the bathroom.

(33:02):
Right gives him applause, which is so cool. It made
me think a couple of things. Uh well, first of all,
where's Ethan? I thank you? Not in this episode. It's
very he must have had another job or we talked
about again. We talked about the fact that when Danielle
is in episodes, budget budget would have to they would
have to. So you've got Harley, You've got Janitor, Bud,

(33:25):
you've got all the end there's probably one guest star
too many, and it's like But the other thing that
this applause with with or with Blake's moment here made
me think is that our episodes have have been airing
like the audience likes him, like they know who he is,
so they're they're like willing to go with this character
in a way that they probably wouldn't have, you know,
an episode or two earlier. So it's just cool to

(33:47):
see that Blake is already like part of the cast
and the audience loves him and he is hysterical. Oh,
he's so funny. He's so present to you notice like
all these little like facial like faces he's making even that. Yeah,
he's just such a good actor and he's so in
it and committed to this character. And you know what's
what's funny is it's not Blake's way. Like I don't

(34:10):
think people would know this, but when Blake is off camera,
he's not He doesn't make these faces, and he didn't
like he didn't hold his hand under his chin. But
he's doing a real character from start to finish, and
like the second the cameras were offered, we'd stop rehearsing.
He would just be back to didn't have that accent normal.
It's so funny. And like I think it was Will
who had pointed it out that there's like such a

(34:31):
musicality to the way he says everything. It's amazing, gorgeous,
it's so like he's amazing. So then to Panga interviews Sean,
who says love is the most amazing, rare and precious
thing in the world. To Panga asks if he's ever
fallen in love and he says five times a day.

(34:53):
This is a big jef. Yes, it is, but I
never knew what it was from. I was like, why
was I talking to camera? Why wo to Panga interview?
And me I couldn't remember it. So now it finally
makes sense because you know, a lot of people have
sent this one. It's very memified. People love it. I
have always seen it and know exactly which one it's
from because I remember doing it. Um. I also remember

(35:14):
doing it mostly because I think this may be the
first time I'm ever on screen with just Sean um.
You know, obviously it's supposed to be Corey behind the camera,
but I remember when we were shooting it being like,
this is fun. I'm working just with writer, like I'm
doing something kind of alone with Sean. So I always
remembered it from you know, also, this episode is a

(35:35):
big Topanga episode, so that's it's It's a thing that's
very salient in my mind as being like, you know,
this was this was like I remember a lot of
moments from this. That's cool. Yeah, I don't remember any
of it. My clothing is really horrible in this episode.
I'm just gonna make that blankets. Oh my god, I
just have like even this this outfit for this scene.

(35:56):
It's like a weird vet. I don't know. It's like
somehow they went back to multi multi layering and big
shirts with like sleeves that go like their short sleeves
and they go past my elbow. It's a lot of
that in the quarters in the US, when when you
do that with pants where they're halfway between your knee
and your ankle, you call them chance. I don't know

(36:16):
what the shirt version is wrong, sleep short sleeve. I'm
not sure. We'll we'll figure it at least sleeps. So
Harley pushes Sean out of the way and threatens Corey
about shooting a documentary in his halls without paying him
a fee, and Corey offers to put him in the
documentary as a trade off, and he said, oh, he

(36:39):
does say it here. Think of it Sex starring Harley Kiner.
Harley is interviewed in the leather jacket and sunglasses. So
that's his cool style, man, he probably, Yeah, I don't know.
He obviously really loved that style as a character. Um,
and I thought it was so that he like got

(37:00):
all dolled up to be in this documentary and then
that he gets asked a question and he freezes up
and he forces Joey back in the frame to answer
for him. And then Tapanga tries to turn the camera
on Corey, but he refuses, saying he's a behind the
camera guy and she doesn't have his vision to Panga
asks Mr Feeney his opinion on sex, and he says,
not on school property, and also be careful with that

(37:23):
valuable equipment, and then Corey asks Mr Turner, yes, it will.
You know what's so funny is that I didn't remember
that that came back, and I said to producer Jensen
car husband of this podcast, I said, um, huh do
you think he said that? Like? And it was also
supposed to be a double meaning like like a double

(37:45):
for the audience, But I didn't remember. Maybe maybe part
of me remembered it. But then when it came back,
I was like, the globe rolling over Corey in the
beginning is like the world crushing. Yes, gosh, I'm so
glad you pointed that out. Yeah, I wanted to point
that out to everybody. Thank you. Also, no sex on

(38:06):
school grounds, but people making out all over the like
just tongue deep in each other. And He's like, why
would I break that up? He's got layers, man, He's
got layers. He does. So Corey asks Mr Turner what's
more important love or sex? And Turner says love is
the most important thing in the world and that it

(38:27):
is the only thing that makes sex worth having, And
then Corey asks him if he's ever been in love
and he says no, but it'll happen for me someday.
And then Corey says, well, if you've never been in love,
have you ever you know, done the other thing? And
then he said because you know, if not, then it
wouldn't have been any good. And Turner abruptly ends the interview, saying,
who are you, Mike Wallace? I think I think for

(38:54):
some reason, it's a Christmas tie in this episode. In
the scene, really Tony's got something. It looks very very
Christmas e So it's just kind of seven so we
would have been No, it's too early for I'm just
saying it looked very Christmasy. Go back and check it out.
I will. I'll go back and check it out when
I count how many times Ben says sex. Back at home,

(39:17):
Eric tells Corey and the camera that he's very romantic
and single, and he makes a flea to the camera
to any woman watching. Oh, well, you're so funny, I think, Sonny, Dad,
my dad. This is the episode my dad. If anybody
knows my dad retired, you know captain in the Navy Reserves,

(39:40):
is a lawyer. He's eighty four years old. He still
works twelve hours a day. There is nothing stage parent
about my dad at all. My dad saw this episode
where the only line I had was like this one
small scene and was livid. He was convinced that I
was going to be written off the show because he

(40:01):
saw the like Harley character coming in. He's like this
new young teacher. They're taking the show another way, and
in his head, this was the culmination, and he did
something he'd never done before. He called my agent. He's
told I called your agent, can only have because of
this episode. He's because that was the only part I
had was this small and I'm going Dad, there's some

(40:22):
episode during a lot, there's some of your means you win,
your dad wins the stage parents, my parents, I mean,
called my agent, my dad, my dad. He doesn't do
any about the lawyer big guns. He's just like, you've
got called is going to have more lines. And it
was my dad telling my and then my agent going like,
you know this attorney Fordell because nobody calls my dad

(40:45):
Gary attorney Fordell. You can't, you know, you gotta It's okay,
it's fine, some are gonna be bigger some respect. But
to this day he talks about it's like I was
convinced you were going to be Chucky Cunningham's right off
that show. I'm not sure Michael, because Michae would have
been like, don't worry about He's get the two episodes
from that. We're gonna make him switcht um. Yeah. So

(41:06):
it was again, I never had a problem with it,
but my this this was the episode that my dad
like lost it. It was amazing. And what's amazing about
it is that you actually steal the whole scene even
though you're only in this one scene. It's the parents
are barely in the episode, and I mean, they've got
some stuff to do, but it's it's it's about learning
about sex. At thirteen. That's what the episode is about.

(41:28):
So yes, okay, what is Betsy's tie thing? Awesome? What
is I literally was like, is it a pen bow tie? Like?
I didn't I've never seen the name. They haven't. It's
not there is a name. It's not a Belie or whatever.
It's a balerro, not a balerro. That's a guy. That's

(41:50):
the like there's a western tie thing where it's like
that I think that men wear right like with not
an ask a class. This was I was. I was
staring at it looked like a pin, like a lapel pin.
And then but then holding boat tie yeah, out of metal, fascinating.
And then I just was like noticing that her and

(42:11):
Rusty like they the way they're dressed is like like
they work in offices or well, didn't we learn that
Betsy is a galerus. Yes, now she runs a gallery,
I guess, and he's the manager of the Glassy store,
so he would be dressed up. I guess he would be.
He would have like a tie on at least I'm sure. Also,
maybe they were aware they were going to go on
camera for Corey's project. You know, it's possible that they

(42:33):
may have been like, let's I don't know. It just
felt it just felt different than season one, where they
really emphasized their blue collar status, like, you know, especially
when we had all those other characters coming in and
they're like, oh, they're rich and they are whatever. In
this case, I don't know, it's just interesting they you know,
especially guess Betsy. She just looks like she's more professional
than she was in the first season. I want to

(42:54):
know the name of that thing she's wearing. I know, Well,
we'll look it up. Okay, well we can, also, asks
Sarah when she comes on the show. Keep all the
producer Jensen car Husband of this podcast, Will you start
a list? Everything gets producer Jenson car Usband of this
podcast So now onto his parents, Corey asks them their

(43:16):
feelings on sex. Amy says sex is like voting. It's
a privilege that you use when you're old enough. Alan
agrees and says, you just go behind a curtain, you
do your thing, and then you do it again four
years later. And then we are in the school video
room and will you got applause to yes, you pop

(43:37):
back in when I pop back in and kind of
grab it was like, oh my god. The audience was
just loving our show. Yeah again, And it's because I
think you're right. We pre taped all this stuff so
they get to see it once they pop through. Its
high energy and well I think I think writer falling
out of the chair in the classroom would have been
in front of the studio audience. So literally kick started
them into like this is going to be funny. But

(43:59):
this is also this this whole sequence is where I've
had the thought. I was like, oh, this is this
feels like an office episode, your Parks and Wreck episode,
you know that mockumentary style. We were we were ahead
of the curve, guys. Uh So, Corey and Topanga are

(44:23):
editing their documentary and Corey is messing with the edits
to make it seem like Topanga saying she loves sex anywhere, anytime.
To Panga calls her mom to say she's at Corey's
house and we'll eat dinner there, which is a lie.
And I was like, whoa, yeah like that, Like you
lied so quick and easy, You're done a thousand times before. Yeah,
to Penga's line to her mom all the time with

(44:44):
the phone that is readily available in the editing room
and in the middle of everybody. Of course, well, of
course this is a professional news studio. You never know
when you're going to get the the immediate nine one
one of editing update. Yeah, you're gonna get this like
thirty second video is going to take all tonight. But
it also isn't completely unrealistic because you had to deal
with those tapes. Because anything it was to go back

(45:09):
in this. When I first started doing like directing stuff
when I was a teenager, that's how you did it.
I mean the stubby the world was ended. It was like, yeah,
tape to tape and you would have like all these
systems of different decks and like to test every edit
before you could record off to it. It was like
such a oh my god, kids kids these days, it
was such they do it on their phones. It was

(45:31):
such a process. So I think your phone was punch button.
It wasn't rotary, which is good. The then Corey calls
Amy to say that Corey is at to Panga's house,
but he messes it up. He says He's at Corey's
house to Panga, takes the phone, fixes it, and then
they go back to editing and Sean is on screen
saying that love is cool, especially when she likes you
more than you like her, because then she'll pay for stuff.

(45:53):
To Penga is disgusted and Corey first like Sean's poor. Yeah,
but also even if you're an poor I could totally
see a guy being like, yeah, I get her to
pay for stuff for you. It's cool. Why not an
Um and Coreys that's my best friend. They watch a
video of to pangas Michael, I'm sorry to rub in

(46:13):
your hands together and going He's like literally doing a
Michael Michael note right, that is a definitely Michael's exactly
do it this way? And Ben did it? Rob your
hands together and say it like there's such a Michael. Yes,
you're right, Okay, did it bother you guys? Did you

(46:33):
catch the big mistake when you were when we when
we're showing the television screen and with Janitor Bud, you
can see extras passing behind the TV. So what that
means is that they shot the insert of the television
in the hallway while we were shooting in another seat,
which makes no sense because it's supposed to be a
close up of the TV in the a V. But

(46:55):
you can see an extra passed behind the TV, and
I was like, whoa, why why it was their person
in there? Makes no sense that this. I don't know.
We'll see if any of our listeners noticed it, but
for sure somebody did. I did not notice it. That's
so funny. Um so to Panga says she just needs
a little ten minute rest. Corey says he'll work on

(47:17):
the project, and then later that night, we're in the
Matthews living room. Amy is worried that she hasn't heard
from Corey and she tries to call to Penga's parents,
but they're not picking up. Alan jokes that the kids
might be voting which died. This is the one time
the audience did not get it, and I was like,
that's actually a funny I thought it was a great
call back, but the audience didn't get it, and I

(47:38):
had this thought, maybe it's maybe it's because the earlier
voting joke was a playback. They only heard it once, right,
do you know what I mean? And it didn't land
because then this would have been like three scenes later
and they had only just watched it once on A
so I don't know. I was like, why, yeah, because
it's a really funny callback and it didn't get a
laugh at all. I was like, oh, poor Rusty, Joys

(48:00):
didn't go with him. They were they were given will applause,
Blake applause, and then crickets. And to your point about
the noticing the laugh track, why wouldn't they have given
Rusty a laugh with a laugh track? Right? Michael used
to always say, have a button that thinks you're hysterical,
So why exactly? Uh So, Then the next morning we're
in the Matthews living room at seven am. Allan fell
asleep on the couch and Amy comes downstairs looking for Corey.

(48:21):
Allen says he's sure he's in his room, but then
he doesn't know for sure, so he says, wait, let
me go check. And then the school hallway and the
video room Janitor Bud runs into Mr Feenie in the
hallway and pulls him into the video room. How Bill
Bill is such a good actor, just the way he
turns to look at Janitor, but you just know he
can't there, Like I just saw the entire history of

(48:43):
like Feenie having to deal with Bud every day years
just in he was like, yes, Jennitor, but he was
like the face he says he's turning to him is great,
so good. I was like, I I want to see
more of this dynamic, which of course we do, but man,
I just died. I was like, of course Bill gave
this whole back story that he can't stand him, I know,

(49:07):
And you can say there's I think it's later or
maybe it already happened where he goes not you where
he's such a disgust in his voice. But it's just
so yeah, I love that they I love that he
can't stand him and Janitor, but by the way, is
completely oblivious to it. Yes, yeah, still writing, still writing adults,
really well, Still writing adults really well. We have the
whole other thing going on, which is great. So he

(49:27):
pulls Mr Feenie into the video room to see Corey
into Penga sleeping on the floor together, and he says,
I tried poking them with my mop, and then I wondered,
maybe Janitor Bud is the Phoenie narc who's always running
in there telling him what what turners doing in the classroom,
coming to let him know. So Mr Feenie wakes them
up and says they have a lot of explaining to do,

(49:48):
and then we are in Mr Finie's office. Phoenie is
on the phone with Amy, telling her that the kids
are okay. Corey says he needs to get home and
he needs to shower, but Phoenie tells him to sit
and he explains that there are consequences. Corey realizes Mr
Feenie thinks they slept together. Corey cannot believe it, and
Topanga explains what actually happened. Mr Finie is going to

(50:09):
think of a punishment, and I love that joke. Ray says,
this requires swift and decisive action. Um I figure out
what that is? Uh? And Topanga asks Mr Feenie if
they can keep what happened between them, and Foenie agrees,
but as Tapanga walks out, I noticed that Feenie like
I had. I don't think I ever thought about it

(50:31):
at the time, But the reaction Foenie has after we
walk out could have been taken as just gosh, what
am I going to do with the situation or what
I felt like watching it? How naive that she thinks
this is not that this is something that is not
going to be everywhere like wildfire. And I don't think
I ever thought about it that way. That he is
already disappointed because this is the kind of thing that

(50:54):
you can't control exactly. So we are in the school hallway,
Corey and Tapeanga come around the corner and everyone starts
clapping for them. Shawan says Corey is a god for
spending the night with Topanga, and Corey says all they

(51:14):
did was edit, and Sean says, call it whatever you want,
but you're the man, Harley, and I know every one
of these extras. By the way, now I know every
single one. We've talked about this and there's not a
face that I don't recognize perfectly inclutting. The guy right behind,
I think you writer who was from France, so he
had the big French accent and was always there and
the nicest guy in the world. He was one of

(51:35):
the stand ins on Trojan War, like this guy. I
worked with this guy in multiple occasions and he was
just and I saw. I was like, there's the French kid. Yeah,
I know all these all these extras. Now it's great.
So Harley and Joey stopped Cory and proudly asked if
Corey slept with Topanga, and Corey stumbles, but when asked
if he's the man or not. He alludes to the
idea that yeah, he is the man, and Harley says,

(51:56):
let's go celebrate, and then as a spray pean Kim,
I guess they're going to go grig stuff. Yeah, like
you do bathroom, Yeah, something in the bathroom, and you
know to Penga is watching this the whole time from
leaning up against the lockers. She hears this conversation from

(52:18):
Afar and two of the older extras look to Panga
up and down, and she storms off. And Mr Turner
has also watched this whole thing go down. And then
Phoenie pulls Turner into his classroom. Phoenie says Turner's project
is out of control, just like he predicted. Phoenie says,
the attitude of sex hasn't changed for four hundred years.
He gave them an assignment, then he left them unsupervised.

(52:40):
Turner says he trusts them and the assignment isn't in yet.
Phoenie says it was a terrible assignment and he should
have nipped it in the bud, and Janitor Budd says
what Pey says, so you not you? It's like this
had to come from rehearsal right, like why would you?
I think they probably saw the way that Bill reacts
it to Janitor Budd in that earlier scene, and we're like,

(53:01):
this is a great dynamic. We gonna bring this back.
And then found a way to just insert this one
joke and I was like, why is Janitor Bud in
this scene? And I was like, wow, just for that joke,
we're going to the Yeah, I know, I thought it
was funny. And again to writer's point, Bill just so
sells I hate you. And just then we're in the

(53:22):
Matthews kitchen. Corey is grounded, but Sean comes in and
asks if he can sneak away because everyone is waiting
for him at Chubby's. They're all saying he's a god.
Corey explains he's under twenty four hour surveillance. Alan walks
in and asks why Corey is a god. Sean lies
and says it's because of how well Corey was raised,
and then makes a joke were just out of control.

(53:43):
I wanted to ask you, what's the ring you're wearing?
Did you notice your ring? No? Did I have a ring?
You're wearing a ring on your right ring finger, and
it looked like, did you used to have a ring
that was a heart inside of a like heart inside
of a thing like this. No, the only ring I
room remember was just it was I think on X

(54:03):
is that the the like a black stone. It was
just a circle. It was just a circle like black stone. Yeah,
I look like a silver pre dated boy Meat's world.
I don't remember I ever starting to become in full effect.
It gets crazy by about like seasons four or five.
But we're we're getting there. We're just starting with the drugs.

(54:24):
If it was my ring, because I mean I remember
I definitely wore my own necklace for years on the show,
multiple necklaces for years in the show. There was a
silver one for my girlfriend, and then there was like
a blue I think it was like a homemade beating
one from a girlfriend that I wore and a picture
of it. It's not great, No, it's actually terrible. I
it looked more silver, It didn't look a like a
like on X. So well, if it was my own, yeah,

(54:47):
I mean I'm trying to think, would they have given
me a ring? Maybe you might have asked for one.
Did you did you weld it yourself? That's pot Did
you smell the metal smelt it? Huh, whoever smelled it
dealt it? Rider. I did have a ring when I
was a kid. I don't know where it came from,
but I'm remembering. I have a vision of it in

(55:07):
my head. So if it was my ring, that's the
only one I ever. I don't think I would have
asked for a ring. Um, But yeah, I don't. I
have to say that Rusty walking into the kitchen just
came off to me like super pissed and it worked
like it was just no nonsense. Why why is he

(55:28):
the man? Shot like it was. I felt like I
was a little kid again and dad was kissed. He
was so good that just his face, I mean it
was there was nothing sitcom about that moment. To me,
it was he walked in and he was angry. I
felt right like I loved that. That that that in
the sense of like Corey getting in trouble is great

(55:51):
because it right like this is it's really serious to
be spreading rumors or to taking credit for having sex
Attam like that's crazy. But man, Rusty just that, just
with that look in that one line, I was like shrunk.
I was like, oh man, he's pissed. And I also
like that in this case it is Alan and not
Amy that it's it's there's no atta boy, there's none

(56:14):
of it. It is it is Dad is overhearing oh
excuse me. Yeah. And it's such a great contrast because
you know, the people plotting and calling him the man
Sean being all stoked on it like it did bother me.
I was watching this episode. Great, Oh that sucks. It's
very real. It's very real, and it is even his
response little like little kids, when when you're a young man,

(56:37):
it would always be like, oh, yeah, I slept her here,
and it's like, because you fell asleep next to her,
that's such a an excuse you that that kids would
make like, well, technically you would hear that kind of stuff.
I thought all of this was done very real, and
it was just the way he sold it just that
was nuts to me. Yeah that yeah, so you're right.
That was a great moment. Um Corey explains to his

(56:57):
dad that people think more happened with Tapanga than really did.
Alan asks if he cleared it up, and Corey admits
he didn't because even his bullies want to take pictures
with him now, and then Amy enters to tell Corey
that to Pengga's in the other room, and he asks
if he can she could lie and say he's not there,
But to Peanga walks in and Alan and Amy leave
just to make this harder on Corey. To Penga says

(57:18):
she's not doing great, but she heard Corey is doing fine.
And then Corey begins to defend himself, saying the rumor
is just something that's going to go away in a
few days. It's just talk, not a not a big deal.
And to Penga says, you want me, Corey, then take me.
Everyone already thinks you did it, so go ahead and
do it. Was it really was like intense again. So

(57:39):
I remember the rehearsal for this scene and the and
the taping of it because this was a scene that
was really important to Michael, and Michael had of the
very specific way he wanted me to do this. He did,
and I remember learning the lesson, the acting lesson about um,

(58:01):
don't be angry. Angry is the easiest thing you could
go to don't play angry, because I was playing it angry.
It was coming across as angry. And he explained to me,
how if somebody is you know, angry and they're flying
off the handle. It's not nearly as scary as somebody
who's in full control of themselves and is really locking
eyes with you and challenging you. And I remember being

(58:25):
a little overwhelmed by what was being asked of me,
because already, as I've talked about, I was such a
sheltered kind of naive kid. I was just amazed that
I was getting to even say the word sex on
a set, much less having an episode b about whether
or not t Penga did have sex with someone. And
then the idea of offering yourself to somebody in a

(58:46):
way of like, well, then let's just do it, if
that's what you want to do. Um. It was I
remember thinking, I don't know that I have it in
me too. I I don't fully I couldn't possibly fully
understand what was being asked of me, but I also
really did understand how I needed to play it, like
with the confidence of if you're the man, then be

(59:07):
the freaking man. Yeah. Um. And so I could see like,
this is one of the times where when she's saying
that to him, you want me to take me? And
I could I could see in my little Danielle Head
being like, oh, I'm nervous, and I was kind of
maybe racing through it a little bit, but come across
this nervous ground and it's shocking in the best possible

(59:30):
way because it's like, you know, you were in this
sort of like Corey mindset of like, you know, maybe
he can get away with this, maybe he's not really
in trouble, and okay, maybe his parents are mad at him,
but Sean still likes him. And then when you make
it personal and about like basically your honor, you know,
or like it's wonderful, and it's like it's yeah, it's

(59:51):
it's not even about other people, it's about Yeah, it's
about could you have done this to me? Well? And
that's the part that I was like, yeah, that was good.
So when to pay it tells Corey she wants her
good name back. Corey jokes that Topanga isn't really a
great name to begin with, and Topanga says that she
used to think of him as, I know, great joke,
she used to think of him as a good friend,
and now she just doesn't like him, and I in

(01:00:14):
that moment, I was like, man, that well, yeah, it's
I mean that's it's like, I can't believe you did
this to me. We were friends. How could you? How
could you do this? I mean, if that's all you
can say is how could you even think of doing
this to me as a friend of mine? And that
came across and it was that that was a I
thought from Rusty walking in and actually the whole scene,

(01:00:35):
even with Rider coming in case you think the scene
is going to go one way, and then Rusty walks
in and takes it somewhere completely different, and then you
walk in and take it to a whole another level.
This is the whole scene was just riveting all the
way through. Was so well written, it was so well acted.
Everything about it was personal too. It's to Penga and
Corey talking to each other. You know, it's not in
the school hallway. It's not classroom, it's not about other people.

(01:00:56):
It's like her coming to him face to face. It's
such a valuable moment. I mean, it's a valuable lesson.
And that's just really well executed. And Wright, You're right
that joke of the some might argued bang is not
the great It's the perfect place for a joke for
Corey to try one more time to add some levity
to the scene. See if we can joke about this,
and she just will not let him off the hook,

(01:01:16):
which is great. And the who thing Michael used to
always say to me, don't ever play angry. If you
have to play angry, play drunk. That's what he would
always say to me. If you have to play angry,
play drunk, that's weird. I mean, I definitely, I've definitely
heard many times over uh in different acting contexts like
you don't you can't play anchor, like it's such an

(01:01:37):
amateur acting than to play anger, because what anger is
is usually a reaction to being hurt exactly, and so
you have to focus you know, as an actor, you
focus on being hurt, or you focus on what you
want from the other person, or you know, you don't
focus on presenting anger is so clearly it's also never funny.

(01:01:57):
That's the thing. Anger. You can't pull off. Anger is funny.
It doesn't, it doesn't work. You can you can, I
think I think I think it's the point of the
drunk joke or the drunk note you is that that's
the way to make angry funny, because I don't think
it's angry. I can see you as Eric in later
seasons being like, what do you mean like getting into
this again? That's not anger, It's not you know, that's

(01:02:20):
that's playing the emotion of anger, if there is such
a thing, because you're it's more a reaction of being hurt.
Everyone's opinions. No, there's not, Daniel just right or things.
Maybe angry could be funny, and you are saying that,
maybe angry is just not the thing that's actually making
I'll try and think of a time when anger is funny.
Actually okay, when actually playing angry is funny, because there's
I mean, I think, no, yeah, I think Will Ferrell's

(01:02:43):
entire career he's not. But I don't think he's playing angry.
I think his hit his bit with like what what
started his career as his SNL audition was him doing
the parent trying to cook barbecue, trying to like take
burgers kids. I guess I guess what I would say
then is act the actual emotion of what anger would
be does never come off as funny. Taking that and

(01:03:06):
putting the twist on it to make it comedic, but
then it's not anger. You're taking it too, you know, Yes,
it's you're not actually angry at the person, because that's
not Yeah, I'm gonna push us. I'm gonna push us.
We gotta get back to this room. We can, we
can get back to you guys having a debate at
dinner Mr Turner's classroom. With the assignment done, Mr Turner

(01:03:29):
is putting Corey, putting in Corey into pengas tape. Harley
comes in to watch because he's in the film, and
Mr Feeney comes in to stop the class from watching
the tape. Mr Turner says he hasn't seen what he's
going to play um and that, but Corey says that
they should play it. I didn't get any of that. Yeah,
why is Harley in this classroom? Like, No, it's just

(01:03:52):
I mean, I get the I know. It was just
so we could highlight coreries apology. In other words, that
he's it's it's it has to be as public as possible, right, right,
he has to everyone who's made a comment about it
knows that it was no longer true exactly because it
Harley wasn't there. There could be the implication that maybe
Corey is going to keep the lie going with the

(01:04:14):
bullies in order to have Stan, so we have to
bring him in, and it just felt forced to me.
I didn't actually in this whole scene where it's like
Mr Turner hasn't watched the tape Tapanca hasn't watched the
tape of her own project, Like it all just felt
like such a stretch to get to this sort of
public apology moment. And I totally get why it had

(01:04:34):
to happen this way, but it felt really forced to
me and artificial. And I actually really felt the opposite
about the Danny stuff. I thought, oh, interesting, like what
an easy way to make sure he hears the apology.
He was all excited. The reason he was even he
didn't beat up Cory or take a fee, was because
he was like, you're going to be the star of
my film. And so I could see that that character

(01:04:55):
being like I'm going to be the star. I'm gonna
see here's my screen debut. Then when I needed as
a button at the end of the scene where he's like,
I know you could have had more me or whatever.
You know, if he just made a comment to Corey
that I'd be because you never see any one Harley
is here and its and it brings it back full circle,
but you know you can't because the handshake is so great.
The friend's friend is obviously the way to end the scene,
but maybe it should have been a line earlier where

(01:05:17):
he like storms out because he's upset, like he got
cut or something, you know, like there's there's a better
way to keep Harley there. I think. I love how
the teachers are. I think are scared of Harley two.
And they didn't even mention anything like actually, it's very nineties,
though every every nineties movie always ended with the big
apology in front of the classroom or in front of
it was always very nineties to do that. So the

(01:05:40):
tape shows a couple of interviews they filmed with a
lot of the importance put on love and sex, and
then it cuts to a video of Corey in the
kitchen explaining he doesn't have any experience with sex, even
though some people think he does, and he then apologizes
to t Peanga and Pheny realizes the project is working.
He's shocked. Mr Turner says he's shocked too, and Tapanga

(01:06:01):
turns around and Corey asks if they are friends, and
they shake hands on their friendship, which is just a
very sweet ver very nice. And then we're in the
school hallway. Corey interviews Harley, who explains his reality is
a moonlit night in the back of his impaula with
a girl whispering in his ear. Hey, you question my
singer aunts. Of course he has an impaula. Of course

(01:06:24):
he does love it. It's funny. Well, that's good, and
that's the end of our episode. I really liked this one.
I did to everybody like this episode except my dad. Yeah, sorry,
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