TGI - Episode 302 “The Double Lie”

Season 3 is taking off, and there is already A LOT of making out. Shawn and Mr. Turner might have caught each other in a lie, but it’s the Eric / Feeny dynamic that’s honestly incredible. And somewhere in all the lip locking, an iconic line debuts, Rider proves to be a great “stormer outter” and we learn the meaning of Soy Milk. Listen in for all the “deets, man!” on a brand new Pod Meets World.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I'm going to make a statement that I know producer
husband of this podcast would agree with based on the
name of his gallery. Nineteen eighty eight is the greatest
year in music ever? Do you guys know this year?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Producer Jensen Carp husband of this podcast, named his gallery
that because it was a great year in sports eighty
la sports.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
I thought it was just like culturally in general, it
was like.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
The greatest year ever, he says. And music and movies,
so yeah, he Needlejuice was that year.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, I don't know about movies actually, but well the
reason I'm.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
For why music? What makes you say? What makes you
make this statement or this statement?

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Uh? So, George Michael Faith still just one of the
greatest songs. Uh. Tracy Chapman premiered that year. Will So
those those are the ones that like I hold on
to and I still are like, well, these are perfect
songs and like amazing, but every single one of if
you go through Sweet Child of Mind, Guns of Roses, Oh,
hold On to the Knight or hold hold On to

(01:23):
the Knights.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
By Richard Marx, the Leather Jacket Song, Yes, the Jacket.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Song, Hands to Heaven by Breathe. Do you guys know
that one and we will be Heaven is a place
on Earth Belinda Carlyle. Carle, Uh, I mean seriously, like
you go through this and you realize like a man
in the mirror by Michael Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
It's straight out of Compton.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Uh, Is it really all right? See?

Speaker 4 (01:47):
This is and and Heaven is a place on Earth
by Belinda Carlyle, amongst the best songs ever.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Really, No, We'll see this is This is why I
wanted to bring it up, because this is the question.
Obviously I was eight years old, right And part of
the reason I'm thinking about this and the reason it
was because I brought it up with Indy this morning.
We were talking about using and playing music, and I
was like, oh, he's eight right now, so his brain
is like open in a way that mine obviously was

(02:14):
in nineteen eighty eight to like discovering music that like
still affects me. When I hear these songs, I cry
like instantly, you know. And they can be hard like
groovy kind of love. Like they don't have to be
good songs, but they just they just are in my
soul because for whatever reason, at eight and I've been
noticing like Indy's brain is like coming online in a

(02:35):
new way. You know. It's like because he's going to
remember everything now, so it's a totally different conversation I'm
having with him anyway. So I don't know how much
of it is just nostalgia. And the reason I think
it relates to our you know, podcast, is this question
of like, how can you you reach this point with
these artifacts, these cultural artifacts, where you can no longer

(02:55):
separate your personal connection to their quality, Like it's just
there's no way you could. Of course it's good. I'm
just saying, like, there's no way I can play a
song for Indy. I can't play Heaven is a place
on Earth for Indy and be like, this is genuinely
a perfect song that change because it changes. Art's not
going to you know, it's probably gonna be like an

(03:16):
annoying oldie song to him.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
He'll find his song, He'll find his heaven exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
And is it just where our brains are at, Like
when we're open to these experiences, is it something about
being eight or being a young you know, a teenager,
whatever stage you're at where you're like fresh to these things,
or is it that they get encoded with the experiences
you're having. Because the other thing is my dad had
a brain tumor in nineteen eighty eight. I thought my
dad was going to die, and I remember I got
a hold of it. I was able to record the

(03:42):
top one hundred songs from the radio and I would
listen to it on my headphones in bed, like so
all these songs were also like my safe place while
I was afraid my dad was going to die. And
it's like, oh, well, that's obviously why I'm bawling around
face coming on you know on Earth. Yeah, yeah, right, Oh, I.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Mean groovy kind of loved, but groovey kind of Love
was my wedding song, Like it means so much to
me back in the day that that became the first
song that Sue and I danced to. So you do
the question is is it the song or is it
the memory attached to the song exactly?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
And so it doesn't matter, right because at the end
of the day, it it doesn't matter when I watch.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
But we've talked about this on the podcast, and people
are fans have said this to us before, like Boy
Meets World is their safe space, so they'll put it
on in the back of White nose and white noise
exactly like mashes for me.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
So it's that same kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
So yeah, I mean the statement nineteen eighty eight has
the greatest music ever probably.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Not accurate maybe, but you know, well here's what's only
about that too. And part of the journey is that,
like in the nineties, we all talked so much shit
about eighties music. Do you remember, like eighties I loved
I always loved eighties music. Eighties music is amazing, and
I feel like now it's appreciated. But like from like
nineteen ninety to like two thousand and five, nob we've

(04:56):
talked about eighties music. It was like, right, eah, that
is like because it was electron it sounded cheesy, and
now we'd listened to it. We'd listen to it, you know.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
I would listen to it in private by myself because
I knew that I would not going to be driving
with poison cranking on my on my red like you
roll up the window, like, okay, I'm listening to Motley Crue.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I'm just going to turn up the close. Of course,
these are are great bands, but see, these things go
through cycles.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Right.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Of course, who was talking about boy Mes World in
two thousand and five. Besides kids, you know, like now
it's like come back around where everyone's old and able
to be like, oh, it's kind of cool now.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
And you know, some of the music that I still
listen to was influenced by both of you. And it's
because it's music for me. I never I am never
open to. And it's not that I'm open to new music.
I'm never exposed to it to it because I don't
listen to the radio in the car.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
I listened to old albums I have when I walk
or I run, so I'm never exposed to any type
of new music. And I know, like Danielle back in
the day, I remember she would go shopping for CDs
when we were we were and every fourth or fifth
time I would look at her and I would go,
surprise me. And you came back and you bought me
the Murmurs album, which I still listen to all the time.

(06:08):
You bought me like Lincoln Park album. There was like
there are certain things you bought me as we were
going along that I still listen to this day. Rider
with Typhoon. You know one of the guy who did
our Kyle Morton, who you hear at the end. Who
did our opening title theme music is in a band
called Typhoon that I first found through you at your
wedding and say when you were listening to them live,

(06:29):
going this is amazing, Like this is a really good band.
So you guys have exposed me to more music than
almost anybody else except maybe my brothers, And so that's
how I find it is through my friends.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
So yeah, that same kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well, one thing we can all agree on is that
girl you Know It's True by Milli Vanilli came out
in nineteen ninety eight and that song bop ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, girl, if only they were singing.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
It you ever sang it is incredible, is incredible.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm
Right or Strong, and I'm Wilfordell. So today we are
here to recap season three, episode two, The Double Lie.

(07:24):
It originally aired September twenty ninth, nineteen ninety five. The
synopsis Sean has to stay at the Matthews house when
mister Turner says he's going away for the weekend for
a wedding, but when Shawn sneaks a hot date back
to what was supposed to be mister Turner's empty apartment,
he finds out he's not the only one being sneaky.
It was directed by Jeff McCracken. It was written by

(07:45):
Matthew Nelson. Rest in Peace, We Love You, We Miss
You guest starring Aaron Jay Dean as Veronica Watson and
Lisa Wilcox as Chris. She was Alice in The Nightmare
on ELM Street Movies.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
She was also Jeff Sherman's Yeah that's Jeff Sherman's X.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Now and now ex wife.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah, that was her connection to tow Boy.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Wow, all right, well let's jump into our recap. Do
you guys, do you guys want to say anything? I
loved again, loved this episode.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, amazing, might be my favorite. I thought it was
absolutely great.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
I thought, had you never seen Boy Me Troll before
and there's now a few episodes like this, you would
have no idea Corey was the star of the show. Yea,
it is totally different. It is to but that being said,
it's a phenomenal episode. It's a wonderful EISO.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, that was the one thing I noticed. I was like,
where Corey is really he's not even with Feenie. They
didn't they didn't give him anything.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
He kind of bops around you.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Or your new partnership with Feenie.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, and the show has just expanded, you know. And
I think it's the natural evolution of the show is
that you start writing for other characters. Yep. Yeah, it's
great though, It's so good.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
So to jump in. We're in the school hallway.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Corey and sew are doing a play by play of
a couple fighting in the hallway. One of them is
Hatty Veronica Watson. Sean is in a very cool vest.
It looks like Bell BIV devo. I love this outfit
for you.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
No, I love this outfit. This is this is peak.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
This is peak, and I love it. And did you
do you actually like it?

Speaker 1 (09:16):
I do?

Speaker 3 (09:17):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I usually there have been a lot of the vests
at the end of the second season, the vest shirt
combos that have been a little awkward, But this one
is kind of fan and this works. Can we talk
about Okay? So when Chick Like Me is third season,
no Sports season fifties somewhere there. But Veronica is the
name that Sean gives himself.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Oh he's still obsessed with.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Verona Veronica was, so when I heard Veronica Watson on
my brain was immediately like, what kind of similar guy? Interesting?

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, that makes sense, but then he has to take
on an identity for himself and he's like, I'm gonna
go after that hot girl I dated in that one
episode of Boy Me.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
I'd also like to know why there's always a blood
drive if anybody else does every episode.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Of and Blood Drive, there's always a blood draw and
there's a pea.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Should just start taking blood at the pepper ally? Seriously,
they could killed two birds while teaching.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
While teaching you about safe sex, and you can just and.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Shakespeare, Danielle, you're not in this episode? Are you?

Speaker 4 (10:17):
No?

Speaker 1 (10:17):
See? I I don't think you were regular yet. I
don't think it happened until halfway through third season.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
You were not a regularly by third season though, I
was now maybe being paid for every episode even if
I wasn't in because my name, I think is that
the is in the beginning credits, so.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
You're guaranteed all produced, but you're not necessarily in all
of them.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Right, Okay, So I but I don't know. We really
need the Judy Savage. I need to talk to Junie Savage.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
But do you guys, do you will? Do you remember
Aaron at all? I don't, do you? Yeah? Yeah, I
mean I kind of had a crush on her. I
mean we were making out the entire week, the whole week, Yes,
and that's what I obviously remembered that, But I also
remember she had she was really she was really awesome,
and she had her parents didn't come with her. She
had her manager with her. Okay, he was one of

(11:04):
those situations. And he was a very nice guy, very Hollywood, like, yeah,
super Hollywood, the nicest guy, and very slick and very
talkative and like you know, but just yeah, but the
really great guy. And I remember he took me and
her to lunch one day. I forget where we went,
but I remember driving through Hollywood and in his like

(11:25):
cool Hollywood car and feeling very Hollywood. But yeah, it was,
it was. It was a great week I had. I
mean that I didn't remember much about the episode besides
making out with Aaron the entire time.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, the whole episode.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
And she doesn't actually she's really good. She doesn't have
much to do, but when she does something, it's great,
I know, but it's a bummer that they didn't give
her more jokes because she she's really funny when she's funny,
but it's like otherwise she's just there kissing me.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
I also can't remember if we talked about this during
three oh one, but we should let our dear, dear
listeners know that we had now moved to a completely
different stage.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Did we talk about that?

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Oh, you're right, we did not talk about that. We
are no longer on that giant Disney Storge. We now
we've now moved to KTLA, where there's a spaghetti factory. Yes,
where it was absolutely mostly deserted slot where there's only news.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, where the news station.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
And actually I wish I had known, but you know
what film next was, which you I didn't find out
untill years later, because I would have been at every
taping was Mister Show with Bob and David, so I
would have.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
But but yeah, we were so we had moved from this.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
I mean, the Disney lot was like you're on a
college campus. The squirrels would literally come up and eat
out of your hand. We had this quick commissary. It
was great, and they're like, hey, we're moving you to KTLA,
and it was in the heart of Hollywood. It was
not a particularly clean area of town.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
It was so different in a weird like other stage.
Do you remember it was like I do.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Isn't that when we had the Madagascan hissing cockroaches as pets.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, I remember that. We've been left.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Those guys there over a hiatus and they disappeared.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
They breed and got out, and there may have been a.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Madagascin histen cockroach problem on stage.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
And we used to have our table reads in the
stage outside of the school room. Remember it was like that. Yeah,
it was like a big empty stage and they built
these weird rooms into the corner, so they were like
they had no ceiling they had we just had walls.
Like basically they were like sets that we were that
were our schoolrooms. It was really weird. Why there was
no offices they couldn't find anywhere. Such a weird situation. Yeah,

(13:37):
you'd walk through this giant stage to a corner, and
then wardrobe was next to us too, so we also
had the wardrobe. The wardrobe, I don't remember any weird layout.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
It was a weird It was a.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Whole the whole stage was just weird.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
The whole KTLA was a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
The Bizarre, the Bizarre Years.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
So Veronica Watson says I never want to see you
again to her boyfriend and Sean and gets excited that
she is single again. Corey tells Sean to ask act fast,
and Sean says he needs to give her some time.
Then he takes about three seconds and walks right up
to her to ask her out. She says if he
is asking her out for Friday night, it is just
too soon, and then he asks about Saturday and she

(14:15):
says sure, sure, great.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Joke, Yeah, very funny joke.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Then Corey congratulates him on acting fast, just as a
bunch of guys run down the hall to ask Veronica
out for Saturday, and she says she's busy. Corey tells
Sean that he will ask Amy and Allen if it's okay,
because remember he's staying with the Matthews while mister Turner
goes out of town. Sean says he didn't know anything
about that, and Corey says, I was standing right there
with you when he told.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
You, and you say, well, well where was I wh
TI is great?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Corey says his parents are totally cool when Tapega comes over,
but they have a ten pm curfew, and Sean says.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
If he picks her up at eight, that only gives him.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
And then he can't figure it out because of the
stupid metric system, which again I think is a very
great joke.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
It is, but they're also now I can see why
they're there's dueling dumb people. So now Eric and Seawn
are both dumb, and they're like, we can't, you know,
something's got to give. And as they're seeing you become
more dramatic with Tony, they're going, all right, we'll just
keep Eric dumb and we'll make it.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
We're still we are, Yeah, absolutely absolutely, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
So then we're in mister Turner's classroom. Sean runs in
to talk to mister Turner about going out of town,
and you call him John as you're running into the room.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I thought, John.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Mister Turner would have made that clear that you call
me John at home, but you called me mister Turner
at school, because that that is a little, uh, a
little line.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
But Sean's I mean, I grew up in a situation
where a teacher's her first name, So yeah, but you
also have to stoke the boilers at your school. That
wasn't normal. I'm trying to think what the public schools are. No,
I guess they did. You know, we were not Oh no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
You did not call a teacher by unless the teacher
made it very clear, Like I did have an English
teacher in my senior year high school who went by sir.
He wanted he he was like, he didn't go by
mister or anything else. He wanted to be called sir,
and that was like kind of his name. So you know,
I mean unless somebody specified like, no, you're gonna call
me this, but otherwise it was.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
We ever talked about the fact that that Foenie calls
everybody by mister, and it's a very like do teachers
ever do that ply the old school?

Speaker 5 (16:24):
Yeah, I mean maybe some of the old school ones by.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
It's like a defining characteristic of Feenie.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Though you're right because I've never seen it in another
show either.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
No, I think it's a very prep school thing too,
like a very it was always.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, it's such an interesting like form of showing mutual respect, right,
Like it's a way to say, like I will treat
you like you treat me. Yeah, like it's a really
cool thing.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
But I've never really thought about but yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
It's a neat choice.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Well, Sean runs in.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
He starts buttering up mister Turner about missing him and
how good he looks, and he asks if he's dropped
a few LB's. Turner suspects something happened with the stereo
again and Sean says no, it's still drying out.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Trying out.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Turner says he already told.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Sean he was going out of town for a friend's
wedding and doesn't Sean listen? And Sean responds, what, and
Turner says slower and louder?

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Do you this is?

Speaker 5 (17:15):
This is a Tony Quinn. We did this for all
the time ever.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
We did this till you you listen. It's so funny
because I saw it happening and my brain just yea,
this was from the show. Yeah, I'm so ingrained. Was
it you that always did it?

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah? Were Tony and Tony and I want to do
you listen?

Speaker 2 (17:40):
He had a few reads in this episode that I
thought were hilarious, like when he says sorry later in
the kitchen sorry.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, he's got some tons that are just the best.
This is We did this for seven years.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, we did. Do you listen? I had no idea
what it was from the show. I know what it was
from Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
It is so funny.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
And he's definitely more and more comfortable, and you can
feel him are taking more and more risks and and
they're really paying off. So Sean is still not understanding.
It's very very dumb Sean in this moment.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
And so this is also seems slightly like a callback
to the women. Yeah, but also open a book. What Yeah,
a book which it's just been diminishing returns, you know
wu right, Yeah, it was a great end of the scene,
Like I don't want to die to like know what
WU is. But like this, it's just yeah, no, it's

(18:29):
not that doesn't quite hit at the same speed. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
So Corey steps in to tell Turner that Sean has
a date with Veronica Watson.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Turner says, nope, there's no way.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
He's canceling his trip for a friend's wedding and he's
staying with the Matthews this weekend. End of story, the
school bell rings and Veronica enters the classroom with a
bunch of other students. She touches Sean's hair and says, Saturday,
she might be the coolest dressed girl in Boy Meets
World history.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Kind of blossom, but yeah, very blossom.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
She edgy edgy blossom.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
There you go. I like it.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I like it's Edgie blossom. It's so cool, It's fantastic.
Sean looks desperately at Turner, and Turner just says no.
And then we're in the school hallway. Sean says, what's
the point of having a date with Veronica Watson if
he stuck at Corey's house. Corey says Topanga has never
complained and they've had many a blockbuster night on the couch.
Corey tells Sean to worry about Verona.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Now they're together completely, and we just jumped into yeah, just.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Skip right over it.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Don't even need to see that anymore. Poor friand girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
We did, we gave that. Yeah, d Yell's not in
this episode.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
They are now married.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Move on, yeah, yeah, yeah, except yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
So Corey tells Sean to just worry about Veronica and
he will take care of his parents, and Sean says
he's going to dedicate this date to Corey and Corey says.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
How do I answer that?

Speaker 1 (19:47):
I don't care?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
How do I laugh at?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
That?

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Is what I wanted to know. I don't.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know is what I don't know?

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
What does the joke again? Say it again?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Because Sean says, I'm going to dedicate this date to you,
and Corey is like, so touched?

Speaker 3 (20:04):
He goes, how do I answer that?

Speaker 1 (20:07):
I thought the joke would be that. He's like, how
do I answer? Like he's confused by how you dedicate?
You know, like if if Corey just actually asked Sean, like,
how do you what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I respond to this? I thought the way he delivered
it seems you're so touched.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I'm so touched.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
This means so much to me that a joke, though,
that's the joke, is like, I'm going to dedicate my
day to you, Like man, that's right.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Something that doesn't really mean anything right to him means
something so much.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
I guess that is the joke.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
But it could it wasn't. Wasn't.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Maybe used a little little punch, maybe with a lemon
or something.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Nearby.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
We shift to Feene, who walks up to mister Turner
and says he needs to start the Monday staff meeting with.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Ashton helmet helmet post.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
That's right, always got the helmet safety first.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
So Phoene has a dentist appointment. Turner wants to know
if it's anything serious, and Phoene says no, just to
check up.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
But he does find a visit to the dentist oddly pleasant.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Turner says, maybe they'll find a cavity and you can
really part, really party.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Very cute.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Phoene then stops Eric in the hallway and says a question,
and Eric misunderstands him and thinks Phoenie wants him to
ask a question, so he says, uh, who's.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
The French guy who fixed the milk? And at first
I was like, what what is this?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
But then it ends up paying off. Phoene reminds Eric
of the ten page paper he owes him. He says
it was due last year. They have unfinished business. Eric
suddenly blurts out Louis b Pastor, who is the French
guy who discovered pasteurization? Yes, of course and quote unquote
saved milk. He's so proud of himself, and Phoene is
not that impressed. Phoene says, if he doesn't turn in
the term paper tomorrow, the incomplete will become an f

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You are so.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Good in the seats, oh will when you have this
moment where you're like, wait, the French guy thing. I
got that. Yes, I love it. It's just so comfortable.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Now speaking of milk, and did you hear the thing
that soy milk is just Spanish milk introducing itself.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
For like two days?

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Milk?

Speaker 2 (22:17):
That joke, I mean, if I had to put a
higher like jokes that are guaranteed to make Danielle laugh,
that is at the very top. It's really that is
right in my wheel. That so Eric says, don't worry.
He's been working on the paper all summer up here,
and he points to his head, and Phoene says, where
it's safe, where it's safe, and Eric agrees.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
And this is now.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Phoenie and Eric are a team now and I love it.
Do you feel great?

Speaker 4 (22:45):
It feels awesome? But man great? He they they have
just all of a sudden gone, nope, we're gonna move.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
You know what they're able to do with Eric that
they aren't able to do with certainly with Corey and Shawn.
You have the perfect mix of feeling a little more
like Phoene's peer, like a little more like on a
Jonathan Turner thing, where like you get away with more
with Phoene that doesn't come across as too disrespectful. Like

(23:13):
if Corey or Sean had this same kind of like
jabby jabby, jabby jabby, it would be like, these kids
are terrible?

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Who are these children?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Because you're a little bit older and I don't know,
there's like there's such an earnest, good natured way about you,
slash Eric, it feels so much more like it works.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah, Eric, like Phoene's in on it with you a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
There's still a difference and there's still like a hierarchy
where he's above you, but also he's he enjoys you
in a different way that they're really.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Setting it up to. It's the straight up straight man comedian.
It's Laura and Hardy, It's the famous comedy teams of
all time, and that's really what they're setting it up as,
which is absolutely what it becomes down the line. So yeah,
it's cool to see the kind of the genesis of
It's really great well, and in a.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Lot of ways, the Corey feene dynamic was based on
him being a sort of little kid like being, you know,
and now that Ben's not that, like we're older, you know,
and it just doesn't play off of Peoene as well
as it did and season one, you know, I'm dancing,
you know, like, yeah, that level of like watching Bill's face,
you know, just be the straight man in the face

(24:22):
of this, you know, hyperactive kid. Yea, yeah, but you
know that just it doesn't really work the same way.
So yeah, putting you in that in that position is great. Yeah,
it was, Yeah, it was fun. It was really fun.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
So we're in the Matthews living room.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Eric is on the phone ordering a ten page paper
on the Manhattan Project and he decides to splurge for
a bibliography. As he hangs up, he tells Carl, who's
the guy on the phone, he loves him and that
they provide a real service.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I love you too. It's in the paper.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
It's like, there's there's an ad in the paper that
you can go and to get out.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Ninety five of us exactly. Corey walks in and sees
the term paper ad. He says, how did Eric pay
for this? He doesn't have a credit card. Eric pulls
out a credit card that a bank sent him in
the mail and says, can you believe they.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Sent this to me? Like I have the money, I
have the money. So cute, perfect little credit card joke.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
He tells Corey that Tapanga called sounded important, but he
didn't write down the number because she was only going
to be there for a half hour and that was
about an hour.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Corey is mad because he was waiting around all day
for that call. But Eric says, famous moment.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
I couldn't believe it was this early. I was like,
wait a minute, it's it's it's life's tough. Get a
helmet already.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Live's tough, Get a helmet. The snacks Corey in the forehead.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
We hear about this line so often when we go
to our conventions. People talk about it. You bite it
as Reil long, It's so great, it's great.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, I've always remembered it too.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Yeah, And pictures with like slapping their forehead and I'm
doing it. But I had no idea was this early
in the show. I did no idea.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Then Sean walks in with his Duffel bag and Eric
pretends to celebrate that they're spending the weekend at the house.
He sarcastically says Corey and Sewan don't get to spend
enough time together, and he suggests that they just wear
one big shirt, big shirt.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
I love it. It's so cute.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, it's so funny. I like, I like Eric giving
Coy and Swan crapah in this way, you know, like
it's it's better than I feel like it's been in
the past, where you like, are mean to Coy whatever,
this is teasing in us for being friends.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
You know, it's really fun exactly.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
I should also tell you that, in solidarity with us
now really launching into season three, I am seeing Lori
tomorrow and going more blonde?

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Are you yes?

Speaker 5 (26:49):
In solidarity with season three, I am are you?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Are you seeing how amazing you look with your blonder hair.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
I'm just giving it a try. I'm like, you know
what season three blonde hair.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Let's do it. I love it. Okay. So Eric quickly leaves,
and Corey says all system systems are go for Shawn's
date with Veronica tomorrow night, and Sean asks for deets.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Man man, remember this, we would do this, dude, deeps man.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yes, oh yeah, because we were you you thought it
was like I remember at the time you being like,
I don't want.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
To say deets man, like.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I don't want gen of the breeze.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
And we would always afterwards be like, hey, deets man,
like we would just man because it was so deeps man.
I mean, yeah, this was one of our inside jokes
because it was painful.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
You're like, I don't want to say deets man.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Hey man.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Corey says his parents made dinner reservations at the Hillside Grill,
but he canceled them, which means they'll have to wait
about an hour, which gives Sean more time on his date,
so much time he may even be able to start
his second date by the time they get home. Sean
says that's great, core without opening his mouth, and Corey
asks what's going on. Sean says he's resting his lips
and thanks a lot. Now he needs to start over

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and doing.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
It like looking it out. It's good physical comedy.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
It is.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
It's good physical comedy. It was funny, but the first
lot I was like, what did I not move my mouth? Yea.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
So then we are in the Matthews living room the
lights are off and Sean and Veronica are making out
on the couch. She tells him he has great lips.
They're so and he finishes the sentence with well rested
and thanks to IMDb trivia, we know that this is
actress Aaron Dean's first screen kiss. Okay wow, so it

(28:35):
was a memorable week for her too.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Pretty good first on screen kiss when it's rider strong.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Huhne with those well rested lips, well rested legs. Yes.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Amy walks in the front door and turns on all
the lights. She notices them making out and says, pretend
I'm not here. Sean says fine, and he goes back
to start kissing Veronica, who stops him because it's still awkward.
Corey runs downstairs just to Alan walks into, also shocked
to see what appears to be going on. Corey wonders
how they're home so early since they had reservations, and

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Alan says the restaurant lost them, but they found a
great romantic place across the street and they were in
and out in less than ninety minutes. Alan decides to
sit right down next to Sean on this hot date,
and Amy tells him why don't you come to the kitchen,
We'll make some coffee, and he says, no, I'm good
right here on the couch.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
This is great. Shock, It's so funny.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's so funny. He's just given Sean a little little needling. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
And we talk about Betsy's sleeveless vesta.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah cool, I remember this outfit on her.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Do you do? It's like, whoa, they went out, Yeah,
got dressed up.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah they I mean they this hillside place. Me sounds fancy,
hillside and then yeah, hillside grill. But then they they
go to this. You can tell that their date nights
are all about romance.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
And right to him up right when you walked into
the door, Sue looked at me and she's like, man,
can wear a blazer and jeans.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, like she just rocked it.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
He's got, you know, a pair of jeans and a
nice black or blue blazer and boom out the door.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Looks look great.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
So after a second of watching fly fishing on TV,
sitting next to Sean, Allan says, I'm just messing with
you and he leaves. Corey says, there you're all alone again,
and then they look at him and he realizes he's
the third wheel now and he goes back upstairs. Sean
and Veronica start kissing again.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Ye yep, he's just always take it away, yep.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
But then the doorbell rings and Eric comes running down
to open the door and it is mister Feenie. Sean
welcomes Phoene to his date, which is very funny, so cute.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Feeney reveals he got Eric's mail.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Eric starts to panic, thinking Peene knows he paid someone
to write his paper. But Pheene just wants the three
dollars and change for a cod which, for our dear
listeners who may not know this existed, that was cash
on delivery. You could have something sent to your house
and then you just pay for it in cash right there.
It was a very eighties and nineties thing.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
So you give him like three seventy five or something.
And Veronica asks Sean, is this the weirdest state you've
ever been on? And Seohn says not really. One time
on a blind date, I got set up with my
uncle Mary. Long story, Uncle Mary again Uncle Mary, and
the uncle stories just keep rolling.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
This is also I have to say the third third
trans joke. Yeah, the third or fourth transgender joke.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
And we haven't since we started. And then and then
obviously we have Chick like Me.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
So right, and then and then Eric dresses Eric and
uh John dress up too.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
I mean no, this is kind of an ongoing theme.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Of I know, I'll be interested to see when we
get to that episode how those like, how well or
not well the episode, like, does it feel totally out
of place?

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Yeah, Chick like Me, I think it's going to be
is going to hold just really well.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
And I don't know that American Jackson thing about it
at all.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
I don't think Eric and Jack because it was played
for the joke, whereas Chick Like Me was played.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I mean there was there was that went on. Yeah,
there was no learning with Eric and Jack. What's what
it was. It was a joke.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
So I don't think that'll hold up on that side.
It might hold up as a comedy, but who knows.
But yeah, I think chick is going to hold up
really well.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Frankly, we'll get to it. Alan Amy and Corey now
walk in again, creating a real party in the living room.
Corey pointing to Sean Yelle's people people, the man is
on a date.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
That's Veronica Watson.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
For crying out loud and everyone then awkwardly stares at her.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I thought that was funny, where it's like very.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Funny but also still a bit of a weird button. Yeah,
just a button of people going hmmm, let's check out
this Veronica Watson like.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
And then we're in a very funny scene in Alan's car,
which I love. Sean and Veronica are making out in
the back seat while Alan is driving. Alan makes them
stop smooching. He threatens to pull the car over.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
To that teenage, I mean, I was one of them.
The teenagers will do this.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
I thought the same thing.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
I was like our teenagers that comfortable making out in
front of their parents.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
But but it's also not his parents. Yeah, but it's
so bizarre to me. But I definitely did this. Oh
I remember making out and like I actually had a memory.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Angel and Vicki we talked about all this podcast. We're
visiting me up in my hometown and we had my friend,
my best friend, Nathan, was in the car with his
girlfriend in the back of the car and we were
driving somewhere and Nathan and his girlfriend were just making
out just like this scene, and I just remember we
got really quiet in the car and we could just

(33:32):
hear the angel just went sounds like somebody is making spaghetti.
We all lost it and they was so embarrassed, like,
but like, what are you doing? You're just sitting there
making Oh I'm.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Saying, is so much fun when you're a kid, it's
just so much fun.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
So embarrassing, but you're just so like you're so desperate
to be like alone or have the opportunity to to
make out. It's so it's so bizarre. Oh but it's
even more bizarre than there's a TV show about it.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Alan realizes he's turned into his father, which is a
rite of passage for all men his age. They eventually
get to Veronica's house and Sean asks if Alan can
take them around the block a few more times, but
Alan says no, so Sean starts kissing Veronica again and
eventually she gets out.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
How rust he was great with this Bye bye bye,
okay bye bye.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
So funny this whole scene.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
I love.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
I think it's just hilarious.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Alan asks if Sean is forgetting anything and he tries
to tip Alan, but Alan meant he should walk as
date to the door. Another great joke, and Sean says,
if he gets out of the car, he ain't ever
coming back.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
So it's a great joke.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
It's it's an phenomenal scene that at the end of
the day, really isn't necessary at all. He didn't need
to have Alan driving them home, and you didn't need
to have them in the car. I mean, it wasn't
like you could have just cut this entire scene if
you wanted to, and then cut to Sean at the
you know, in the bedroom going like, ooh, I need
to be I need to be. Oh, I got to
see her. I got to see her if you wanted to.

(35:11):
It was a it was a great scene all the
way around. It's just not necessary.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Well, I do think if you had just gone to
the next scene, you would wonder where did she go?
Because you're if you you'd have to stay in the house.
The last time you would have seen her was the
family looking at her. Yeah versaa Watson, They're all looking
at her. And then the next scene is I've got
to see her.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
I've got is just you had one line at the
beginning of that scene like dude, she went home, the
date was over.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
It's like I know, but I can't.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I got Alan at the end of that scene being like,
come on, Veronica, I'm taking you home, and then the next.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Scene are It's a great scene, it just wasn't necessary.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
So then we're in Corey and Eric's room. Sean is
pacing back and forth. He misses Veronica and he's planning
to sneak out of the Matthew's house for more kissing.
Corey is wearing a Randall Cunningham jersey f YI, and
the name has been taken.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Off of the back.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Just yeah, number twelve.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
I would call that a number twelve Randall Cunningham. In
a callback to you don't know what football he was
a quarterback Philadelphia equals yes.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
In a callback to the end of season two, Corey
asks Sean if maybe once when he stays it us
at his house, maybe he could actually try and stay,
which I thought was a very joke.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yep, a good joke. Sean tries to leave through the window, but.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Alan and Amy are in the backyard making out, blocking
his escape route. As a result, Sean makes an elaborate
escape plan by climbing down a tree, and Corey explains
to Sean he can just go out the front door instead,
and after a bit of thinking, Sean says, this is
a plan so crazy.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
It's crazy, it just might work.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Then we are at Turner's apartment. Sean takes Veronica to
Turner's apartment aka the Hotel de Shawn as he calls it.
But when he opens the door and turns the lights on,
we see Turner is on the couch making out with
a new girl. A new woman, I should say a woman.
She's not a girl. Sean asks what Turner is doing there,
and he asks the same question back to Sean.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Double li.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
Can we very briefly talk about how so everybody's hooking
up in this episode?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I mean that's kind of the point.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Except Corey and Topanga, who are now a new couple, Like,
why would that not be part of it?

Speaker 3 (37:17):
I know we get plenty of makeout.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
Man, is that does that lend itself to this episode?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
It just does whatever?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
So it's uh, We're still in Turner's apartment. Turner says
this is bad, and Sean says this is bad and.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
In this episode.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Introed him in the last episode.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
It's a weird episode. I wonder if this was you know,
this is it feels like this episode might have been
written before the last one. Right, maybe they decided because
you know, the way that season two ended was with
this Sean Turner dynamic, so it's it makes a natural
progression to be like, let's start season three with developing

(37:58):
the Shawn Turner dynamic. But and they clearly like decided, no, no, no,
let's make a whole episode about getting Cory to bang
it together first.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Right, Yeah, it's very very strange. But you're right that
Alex wasn't in it, Danielle wasn't in it. It was yeah, yeah,
all that everybody's hooking up.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
It was. Yeah, it was strange.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
It was a great episode, but it just it did
it seemed out of place a little bit.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
So Turner says, this is bad. Seawan says this is bad,
Veronica says, is this bad? And the new woman says
it's pretty bad. Honey, it's pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Honey.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
It's a cute little run. Sean says, no, it isn't
what it looks like. He explains that Turner is Veronica's
favorite teacher and she wanted a tour of the house.
Next up Fanny's Turner yells stay like he's talking to
a dog. And Turner's date says she's going to leave
and offers to take Veronica home.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Turner plays off of my like like she goes along
with my scheme, like it's so funny.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
She's like, oh yeah, yeah, yep, She's totally in for
the ride, which again is another great thing where you
don't ever feel uncomfortable about how much Sewan's trying to
make out.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
She's right there with you.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
It's the two of you in on this team together
and just tied to each other.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
It works really great.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Can we also talk about because now we're going to
get into the actual lie that Jonathan tells Schawn, and
if you go back to the first scene where he's
talking about the wedding, this is an elaborate lie.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Liars often give too much details.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
I mean, man, he go but it does. He goes
off on the whole.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
All right, I'll call my friend and I'll tell him
not to do because I rented a tux.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I did it. It's like he I mean, man, yeah,
he lied. Just yeah, it's yeah, this is very elaborate.

Speaker 5 (39:34):
This isn't hey, I'm going to be out of town.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
This is backstory and people that are going to be
there and making him feel guilty for who am I
gonna have my friend move his entire wedding.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I mean it's like this was thought out.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
He really likes this new girl, Chris.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
So then Veronica and Sean wave goodbye sadly to each other.
Turner asks Sean what he was thinking, and he says,
if I can't trust you, And just as Sean is
about to defend himself, he realizes something and asks how
was the wedding pals Really great, great read. You see
it hit you. You see the the wheels turning. You don't

(40:09):
ask it too angry. It's such a perfect read.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
It's also.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Because it has nothing to do with school.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
It's street smart stuff, so you get it, you know
what I mean, Like Sean gets it because it's.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Like, oh wait, you were scanning me.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
There's a little bit of respect there.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, almost. Oh yeah, Well that's what's great about this.
The rest of the scene is that it gets back
to that sort of us on the couch together talking
about doing life and you know, like how I'm going
to help them with girls. It's it's a great dynamic. Really,
Sean and Turner be kind of equals.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Well, mister Turner gets defensive and Sean asks, how about
that tuxedo?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Does it come to TUXI?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Turner says he's the adult and Sean is the kid,
and Sean asks, so what does that mean? You can
lie but I can't? Again, great love this dynamic. Turner
says he needs a little He said he needed a
little privacy, and Sean says he didn't realize he was
cramping a style. Turner says, this is his place and
he doesn't have to defend himself. Shawn storms out, which

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seems to be a very Sean's becoming a very shn
thing to do.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yeah, I'm a I'm a great stormer.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, you've a you're an established storm rout storm. And
then we're in the Matthew's backyard slash side yard. We
hear Turner pull up on his loud motorcycle to look
for Sean, and Feene opens his door and asks if
that was his motorcycle or if a shuttle just landed.
Phoene says, uh.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
In the smoking robe. Yeah, I love yeah, George love that.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Phoene says he knew the arrangement Sewn and Turner made
had the potential to ruin someone's private life, and Turner
says his private life is far from ruined, and then
Phoene says, I meant mine, which is which is great?
And then a woman listed as Nancy in the subtitles,
by the Way, calls for Feenie from inside his house,
asking where he keeps his towels.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
The trowels they could have used any word.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
She could have called for any a, George, where's the
wine open or anything?

Speaker 5 (42:10):
They made towels which alludes to nudity.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I just want to point that out.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
It could have picked anything, but they could have. I
thought about that was that was done.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
On purpose inside the house?

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Anyone's new. They couldn't picked anything not wearing globes.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
They could wears the salad, where's the dressing, where's the
wine glasses?

Speaker 1 (42:30):
He could have picked anything. Where the towels? George, I'm nicking.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Phoenie says, Remember I'm going to be late on Monday
morning dental appointment. Turner suspicious Quen's questions dental appointment, and
Phoene says, she is my dentist.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
So is he planning on sleeping with this woman all
weekend to the point that he's thing on Monday.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Again she can't leave Monday mornings.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
This out no sense because he's early on front. You know,
maybe he has to take her to the airport. Ven
he goes back into the house. I'm assuming to get

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her some towels, and Alan opens the Matthew's door but
tells Turner now isn't a good time. But Turner comes
inside anyway, looking for Sean. Corey comes down and says
he doesn't know where Sean is, and finally telling the truth,
it feels good. He says good night everyone, and he
heads back upstairs, and then he quickly comes back down
and asks Turner, aren't you supposed to be in Pittsburgh?
And Turner says yes, and that hurts, and it's so good.

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Now alone, Turner tells Alan he lied to Sean. Alan
guesses exactly what happened. Sean came to his apartment with
Veronica and then caught him in the line, and Turner.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Says, oh, you're good, And then.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Amy calls for Alan for up upstairs, saying the bathtub
is full, the champagne is flowing, and the candles are lit,
and then she walks down in this fancy red long
lingerie dress.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
It's so pretty. And by the way, I have the
exact same.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
One but in blue, and it was my mother's from
the eighties. Wow, And Jensen calls it my fancy ghost nightgown?

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Does you look like a fancy ghost in that?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
And she came down in that red nightgown and Jensen
and I both went ghost.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
I did have one question that was pointed out by
my wife, which is, if they're getting in the tub
and they're just starting all of this, why is she
in a nightgown?

Speaker 3 (44:44):
You think she should have come down?

Speaker 4 (44:45):
No, no, I think I'm just cheering for taking You're
going to be in a robe to get into the bathtub?
My questions, Right, So then take a bath.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Maybe the bath is aft her okay, making.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Out went upstairs.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
That's sexy, okay, And now they're taking a bath to
end the night.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
So sexy already happened.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
But then he wouldn't be like no, no, no, no, it's
not a good time.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
They had to get the joke that she has to
come to her, so funny she was just in a robe,
it wouldn't have been quite as funny.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
And Jon's here beautiful, serious, hilarious.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Okay, So she is mortified, Amy runs back upstairs and
Turner says, sorry, like a little boy, and it's so funny.
Turner says he's going to go look for Sean, and
Alan asks where Turner doesn't know. He asks Alan, what
was I thinking asking Sean to come live with me?
I'm a single guy. I'm not ready to be a parent,

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And Alan says he's got three kids and he's still
not ready.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
And that show is so good at this point, Like
this is when I just love so much because I'm
like too. Every character is allowed their anxiety and you're
able to like bounce it off each other and like
insecurities and not knowing what they're doing, and so the
adults are complicated, complex, they're helping each other.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Everyone goes to everybody else for advice, which is nice.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Yeah, I know, this is nice, just wonderful to see
it played out, and you're like, yeah, like, how does
Turner know what to be a dad? Like that doesn't
make any it must be crazy. And then the fact
that you know, Rusty's allowed to sort of also admit
he doesn't know what he's doing, like right, It's just great.
It's just fully developed and the acting is incredible. I
just love these guys.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
It's also really nice.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
One of the criticisms writer that you've had about Corey
is how he can have a tendency to make everything
about him. And one of the things I love is
that in this situation, when Turner says, you know, what
was I thinking? What was I doing? And Alan says, listen,
I don't know what I'm doing either. Instead of saying
just that, listen, let me tell you about my experience.
And I've got three kids, he actually get He actually
gives them a compliment. He goes, listen, I know feels

(47:00):
like you don't know what's going on, but I've seen
you with Sean.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
You're really great.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Good.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, you're great with him.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
That little bit of like you're doing a good job
is exactly what what sometimes you need as a parent
or as a responsible adult figure who's who's maybe feeling
in over your head. Is like, you've got this. And
he gives that to him and gives him an example.
So he says he's seen mister Turner with Sean and
that he's great. Turner says he wasn't great about an

(47:26):
hour ago, and then Alan tells a story about losing
four year old Eric at an amusement park, and Eric
just rolled a roller coaster for six hours, which has many.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Loops, make any sense because a four year old is
not going to be on a loop coaster.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Ever, know you're not past that n thing.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yes, may be you might be a lot of those
roller coasters are well, I don't know about the looped ones.
I was gonna say a lot of them are just
forty two inches, which Adler is already forty inches?

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Is he? Okay?

Speaker 5 (47:50):
So maybe I guess, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Maybe not. Maybe one with a loop wouldn't be forty.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
I think the loop ones are bigger. And again that's
just me being yeah, that being crazy about it, But
that happens, by the way we do. This happened in
my life when I was four or five. I kind
of ran away from my dad at a amusement park
and I went and I rode the tea cups because
I thought everything was fine. And it's still a story
my dad tells where he's like, I had twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Of you know, this is the eighties, where it was.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Like, I'm sure you were kidnapped by this point, and
I'm running all over the place where getting security or
doing and I find you on the tea cups by yourself.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Dad thrown an F bomb in there. I think he did.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Yeah, he actually did, because he's like attorney captain for Dell.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
It's even attorney captain for now a J. You're doing
a JJ.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
You have to tell that story. Have already told that story.
I feel like we might have already told that. I've
already told that.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
My dad refers to you got a drugs, talking to
how are you going to get through life when you're
doing how to.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
Get through life if you're doing a J. I was like,
but no, we had this.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
This literal thing. I remember my dad talking.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
To me about this episode, like you did that, you
ran away at face.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Stole this from your life.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
I thought this was a possible origin story for Eric's
not brightness.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
They allude to it.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I know because at the end of the episode, at
the end of the scene, he's like, yo, because you
come in, and then he's like, yeah, just around a round.
I was like, oh, because the theory of.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
This could be that we figure it out.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Eric then walks in reading his term paper about the
Manhattan Project and he is bewildered that it actually took
place in New Mexico. He says he could be a scientist.
And then Turner looks at Alan and says, six hours.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
I remember this was like take two or three, and
I didn't know what to do, and Tony's were talking
about the button of the scene and all that kind
of stuff, and Tony he's like, yeah, you'll figure out.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
He figured it.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
And I just started concentrating on the coke can and
like tapping the can and people started laughing, and he's like,
where did that come from?

Speaker 5 (49:57):
I went, I don't know's I have no idea, and
it was it was just I didn't know what to do,
just right, make it a thing, yeah, to make it
a thing.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
So funny.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
And then we're in Turner's apartment. Sean is sitting on
the couch when Turner walks in. He says he took off,
but he had no place to go, so he came back.
Sean asks what should we do now, and Turner says
he doesn't know because Sean didn't come with an instruction manual,
and he's making it up as he goes along, and
again we get that same little bit of the thing
that made the last scene so beautiful. These adults admitting
vulnerably that they don't actually know what to do and

(50:29):
they have to just figure it out as they go
is just amazing. And Sean says Turner lied to him,
and Turner apologizes, which is another thing I think is
so beautiful. I think it is so great when an
adult can apologize to a child for something they did
that was wrong.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
It don't mean I have not changed that much physically,
but don't I seem so much older than last season? Yes?
You do, but it was striking to me that I look,
I mean, I'm fifteen in real life, and I just
it's like I actually haven't grown any like I haven't
gotten taller, but you can just tell her do. I
just feel I just feel so much older, you know,

(51:05):
And it's a really I could feel it in this
in this episode, way more than even the last one.
I was like, Oh, I'm I'm like a full teenager.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Now your your teenage really mature?

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah? Yeah, your fae I don't know. But what's funny
is how often then it switches on a dime when
I can you know, when I give him these sort
of like sad puppy dog looks that I do still
kind of look like a little kid, and I'm like,
oh god, I look young there, But then the next second,
I definitely look older. It's like, in a weird way,
I feel like I have I now look like I

(51:34):
when we talk about the second season, how weird it
was that everybody was making out and you know, it
felt too old. Like now I feel like I'm appropriately
the right age going through all the stuff that the
writing for me.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
It's like agreed, and I think that actually everything you
just described is one of the uh like very realistic
aspects of teenagehood that are hard for parents, where it's
like you are both so mature and yet such an
idiot kid, such a child, and yet also kind of
grown up and finding that like balance of what to

(52:07):
allow you to have independence on what not to. It's
such a it's such a back and forth.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
So Turner, don't.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Turner apologizes, and Sean also, but also Sean should not
be bringing fifteen year old girls home back to the
apartment alone. Sean asks if Turner is going to kick
him out, but mister Turner explains, listen, Sean, every time
there's a mistake, it doesn't mean someone needs to take off,
which another beautiful lesson that is so important and so

(52:36):
touching knowing the kind of life that Sean has had
that in this relationship, in real family dynamics, healthy family dynamics,
you can f up. You can make a mistake, you
can do something wrong, and it doesn't need to be
a breakup or an end, or it doesn't need to be.
It just you both messed up, and we'll do it

(52:56):
right next time, which is what he says.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Next, and you can still bring I have a life
lesson with Sewn's history. Yes, so you can know without
having to really be stated because we've already known that
his mom took off. It's just wonderful.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
And you're in a wonderful safe space with a ridiculous
number of magazines, is the other thing that's way. I
was like, he's got like forty magazines at his coffee.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Table, Like, what the hell's going on?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
So yeah, it's nice, Sean says, Look, if Turner, you
want to be alone with your girlfriend, you can just
tell me, well, I can find something to do. And
then he throws in there and if I want to
be alone with my girlfriends, you can do the same right,
which is so funny. Turner shoots him a look and
Sean says.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Wow, I had to try.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
They shake hands and Sean asks, very genuinely, are we cool,
and Turner says, yeah, we're cool, and it's a beautiful
moment between you.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
It's great. Well. I was like sitting there going thinking
about how we talked about the ending of the episode
with Rusty and Ben. I was like, this is getting
a little too sentiment like right here, I was like,
and then thankfully there's a joke's an extra read. I
was like, oh, if we freeze frame on this, I'm
going to be a little different.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
But no, there's a few seconds of silence. Turner asks,
is Veronica behind the couch? Sean says yes, and she
pops up from behind them and says nice place.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
And she's a great actress, And that's one of those moments.
It's so funny.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yeah, I just wish they'd given her more or brought
it by now. I think this is only know the
only episode she did was she's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Yeah, she's really good.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Sean says, Veronica wats in like everyone should give him
a pass for everything because she's so beautiful, and then
we're in the tag it's the school hallway. Phoene comes
looking for Eric after creating his term paper.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Eric says he almost enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Writing the paper, and Phoene says he was assigned to
the Manhattan Project. But the paper is about Abraham Lincoln.
All the while Corey is watching in the background. The
paper that was submitted to Feene was not only about
Abraham Lincoln. It was actually a paper that had been
written by Sean Hunter last year.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
It talks about Lincoln, Beard and Colonel Sanders.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Great beards, and the great periods of history. So actually
probably be a great book somebody's.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Out there somewhere, good idea.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Eric lets it slip that he paid for the paper
in an ad he saw from the back of a magazine,
but it's confused how his paper was swapped with Shawn's.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Right. Then Corey comes up and says, life's.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Tough, get a helmet, and he hits Eric on the
forehead the same way he hit him at the beginning
of the episode.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Eric tells is probably why that line is so iconic.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
It comes around delayed callback, Yeah, yeah, and it works.
It really works.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Eric tells Feoene he has to go make some room
at his breakfast table and runs after Corey and it's
just a great cute, funny episode.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
I did the so in that take, I stop and
I look behind me like I lost him, which is
eat straight up John Belushi from Animal House.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
And you can hear our writers.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
It's one of those times you can hear our writers
and producers laughing like it mostly for the exactly it's
a complete thing for them. And I remember get getting
backstage there and Ben's like, what did you do? And
I'm like, oh, I just look like I lost you,
And he's like, you know, oh, okay, because it was we.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Heard the writers. Good it.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Yeah, but it was just like a straight up John
Belushi Animal House moment.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, so funny.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
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of Podmeets World. You can join us for our next
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I Meant to Say, which originally aired October thirteenth, nineteen
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