TGI – Episode 416 “A Long Walk to Pittsburgh: Part 1”

Every long walk starts with a single step… or in our case, a single podcast. We’re testing true love as we delve into a dramatic 2-part Boy Meets World episode!
 
Topanga is moving away, which sends Rider down a “Romeo and Juliet” rabbit hole and Will explains why this script is the true start of “Cory and Topanga.” And we explore the gang’s longtime hatred of extended phone calls.
 
Find out why life with Rider can be back-breaking work, and so much more, on the latest episode of Pod Meets World!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
H m.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
We just got back last night from vam VAMPAMP. I
love a good double good double F. I know, and
just the way it's spelled always makes me think I'm
talking about a planet on Star Wars or something.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Anyway, I've never been there, and it's amazing. It's absolutely gorgeous.
Have either of you been? Yes? I love that. Here Whistler,
No Whistler's in Colorado. No Whistler's in Vancouver. Where is BAMF.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
BAMF is near closer to Calgary side?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Okay, gotcha? Got you find a Calgary? Yeah? Which will you?
And I have been to Calgary, which I totally forgotten
till I got there. Yes, yeah, My first convention was
with Wheelare anyway, drove into the mountains of BAMF. Had
the most amazing Like I just am such a mountain person,
and my son, it turns out, is even more of
a mountain person than me. He has decided we have

(01:17):
to live in Canada, we have to move to bamp
He's like he won't let this go and I don't
know why because it was gorgeous and we were taking
hikes and it's like a winter wonderland, you know, it's
just like it's just if you, you know, painted this,
it wouldn't be as beautiful. I mean, it's just like
you're just walking through these like giant piles of snow,

(01:38):
and the trees are dropping there because it's spring, so
the trees are dropping little snow, so it's like diamonds
glittering in the air. Everybody look and there's just mountains
surrounding you. Anyway, so we had all these big plans.
We were only there for five days, but we were
gonna go snowboarding and skiing and sledding. And Andy of
course wanted to build a snowman, which always ends up

(01:59):
being harder than any But he thinks, especially why is
that so hard because you didn't grow up doing it.
You guys don't have it down. I guess not, man,
I don't know what the hell I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
It is so much work. And trying to get a
circle out of snow.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Is oh gosh, such a West Coast thing to say,
East coasters snowman like that?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Like that? That not me? I'm with you, writer, Okay,
go on, do you have like a snowman mold?

Speaker 1 (02:21):
And just know it's it's forward to side to forward,
to side too. You do that till you get the
big one for two side too, for the for the
little while, it's super simple.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh yeah, oh.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, you really do sound you really okay?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Next time, next time somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know,
Indy's like obsessed with moving to Canada and living in
banf and I'm like, this is cool and this is fun.
And you know Indy's and he's not really an outdoor kid.
He's very much like a an indoor kid. And so
seeing him like active in the outdoors and loving it
was like a big moment. And We're sledding down this

(02:55):
hill and I'm starting to finally get our snowman to
get and he and my wife are sledding and there
are these jumps, like these little humps that people have,
you know, because there's like a hill where people have
been sledding before, and I'm trying. I tried to hit
one of them, and I couldn't. I just kind of
like puttsed off the side of the jump, and I
was like whatever. But so I look up and my

(03:16):
wife and my son are trying to get hit this jump,
taking turns on the sled, and I'm building the snowman.
I'm really focused on trying to make my like a
good face, but I'm also just having this moment. I'm like, wow,
we are so happy right now as a family, and
it's like, oh, we've come so far from our road
trip last summer, which we were just at each other's
throats and like, you know, and a lot of that

(03:36):
was because we were like, Indy, get outside, get in
the raft, we're going swimming out, you know whatever. And
this time we're just like, you know what, dude, if
you if you want to just hang out, but instead
he you know, really wanted to be out of the shadow. Yeah.
So I'm just like, wow, maybe we really should go
somewhere like in the mountains for a living. Like this
is just brings out the best in us, and we're
all so happy. And I see Indy's got my wife's
phone up and he's filming her, and luckily he was

(03:59):
filming slow motion as she sores off this jump just
five five feet in the air, just gloriously right towards Indy.
And then I watch as she slams on her back,
like just on her upper back, Like I mean, I
think this hit it actually probably would have been worse

(04:20):
if she hit her butt, because then you have the
risk of like compressing. Apparently you're not supposed to jump
with sleds like these jumps from probably made for snowboarders.
Uh right, my wife broke her back and we have it.
We have it on video, which the doctors are very
appreciative of because it was glorious slow motion and Indy

(04:41):
shot it very well. Yeah it was. It's a fracture,
so it's not. But I knew it immediately. I ran
and she just you know, fell out of the sled
on the ground and that was the rest of our trip.
Guy spent the rest of the time in the hospital
x rays and but you know what, we came back.
We still were still pretty positive about BANF and we're

(05:03):
still pretty positiveout Canada and uhout sledding. Yeah, sledding, man,
But you know, it's also just kind of sled was it?
I'm sorry, I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Just a cheap plastic you know, like a plastic like
little tub kind of thing, like one of those little
guys got you get.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
It wasn't It wasn't like the shield kind it was.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Shape right, and it wasn't, but it wasn't anything it was.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
If you were in a wooden one, maybe it can
absorb some of that. But this was just like her
backs slammed and yeah it's it's a fracture. So it's
not like and you know, she has to get more
tests and stuff because they were just doing emergency. Like
we were in the emergency room and she was there
for eight hours and finally getting result. It was on
Easter too. Good times, guys, But you know, it just
reminded me. Also, you know, we're in our forties. This

(05:48):
is what happened, because like this is what you do
in your forties. You try and keep up with your kids.
You go sledding, you go rollerblading, and you try biking,
you whatever, and you break something and it's like a
little reminder of like, right, this is this is what
our bodies do. Now.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well, I also think it's just all about nature. I
think nature is beautiful and amazing. And then breaks your back.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, I'll tell you now, this is the second down.
Like I loved banf I went camping there and I
say it was just like, wow, this is the most
gorgeous place I've ever seen. You know, this place might
make me a camper. And then We spent the first
night there.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
It was glorious. Woke up the next morning and I.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Had a bite on my thigh that was the size
of my fist and was a thousand degrees. And as
I continued to walk throughout the day, my leg became
numb and I had to basically carried around. I also
ended up in the emergency room fight. I had been

(06:55):
bit by a poisonous spider. And anyone who knows me, no, that.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Spiders your favorite thing?

Speaker 3 (07:03):
My no go I So I was literally like, well,
guess what. Guess what, guys, that was a one that
was a one night Danielle's a camper thing, and now
we're not doing that.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
That's so rare.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
I mean, that is really rare. That is Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
But anyway, that also happened happened in BAMFF. So maybe
BAMFF is just trying to kill us.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yes, so you don't you don't pick up spiders and
take them outside? Then no? No, okay, curious, I'll just
call you if you want to do it. You just
do the spier.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Because I hate mosquitos more than spiders, and the spiders
keep the mosquitos in checks.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
So I always like, hey, thank you very much. Don't
have mosquitos in my house. Well not in the house
outside too. Help keep everything down.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
There's plenty out there. There's plenty out there. There's plenty
of spiders out there. I don't kill you if you're
out in the wild, but if you come into my territory,
it's fair game.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
But you never saw the spider that bit you on
the leg. You never saw wall. What is it? Your castle?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
What it is?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
That?

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Something like that?

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Nice castle, doctrine, castle, doctor, that's what it is. It's
a spider castle doctrine. Welcome to Pond meets World. I'm
Daniel Fischl, I'm.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Right or Strong, and I'm Wilfordell.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Welcome to this episode.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Today, we are recapping episode four sixteen, Season four, episode
sixteen along Walk to Pittsburgh, Part one. It originally aired
February seventh, nineteen ninety seven. The synopsis when Eric sees
Sean kiss tapanga, I'll say it here on the cheek.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, and they tried to it away.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
We'll get into it, but they tried to away.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
He relays the upsetting news to Cory, and although the
kiss was innocent, to pay has much bigger news to
break to Corey. It was directed by Jeff McCracken, it
was written by Matthew Nelson. And there are no guest stars.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
So yeah, wow, there aren't. Are there no guest stars
for the next one? Right? Yeah? Exactly. It's a bit
of a bottle episode. Yeah no, I'm saying. But also
for the guest star next thing, because it doesn't Olivia
Haussey show up.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Or she does, right, So overall thoughts.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
I'll start if you want. I liked it. I liked
that it sets up the next episode. Obviously.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I thought, for the first time in a while myself especially,
I didn't think the acting in this episode at the
beginning was particularly good. I thought I was very high
school stage performance for me. For a lot of this,
I thought it was over the top at times, trying
to seem like there was depth behind it.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
At times it was totally with you, will Yeah, it was,
I'm totally with you, like you know, it was love
you as an actor. There's somebody I don't know if
it's your fault. I don't think it's your fault because
I think it's I mean, it's barely your fault. I
had such the same feeling and I think it's just

(10:21):
it's just a tonally very weird beginning. Like I guess
the first four scenes are so weird, and it was
hard for me to sort of like I just feel comfortable,
like lokay, where we are and just.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
At the first moment where I walked down the stairs
and I see you guys, even my.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Reaction is just bad. It's just bad. Well, it's weird.
I'm just all sound Yeah, anything, I know. I know
it's a Simon movie. Well we'll get into it. I
I have theories. I think I know what like okay,
but yeah, I don't think it's all your fault. But
I felt the same thing. I was like, there's something
off about the acting, and yes there was me I'm

(10:56):
barely in the episode, but I also felt weird, like
I don't know the whole thing. Yeah, it felt very
high school play to me. This is how I would
say it. It just it was.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
But again it was also I love the story. I
think it's a great idea, it's a great throw it
in there in the middle. It's also kind of it's
taken us four seasons, but this is kind of the
start of the Korean too panga storyline in a lot
of ways, so I appreciate the value of where this
episode ranks among importance in boy Meet's world. Loar, But

(11:26):
the first episode, hopefully the acting gets better, at least
for me.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I'll speak for myself.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
In the second episode, Yeah, I thought it felt I
thought it felt pretty melodramatic. And again, I think a
large part of it for me is the fact that
I would have felt the bombshell of Tapanga moving more
if I felt like they spent really any time developing
the Korean toa Panga relationship.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yep, But I don't.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
I feel like we've barely seen them. I know they're
in a relationship. I know they've been in a consistent
relationship now for many episodes, but we have had approximately
zero episodes about them and their relationship.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
And I mean, it's it's interesting to think, like, how
many how many episodes have developed the Sean Corey relationship
just because they've been in situations together, whereas Tapanga and
Corey have never been in a situation together outside of
well the Hair Today, Gloon Tomorrow, which was probably one
of the best, Like whenever they did give an opportunity

(12:22):
for the two of you to be in a thing together.
It works, you know, but also you're off. You're often
against each other in those situations, like the storyline is
like antagonistic, So you haven't had like you and Corey, Yeah,
quarantine doing something dealer. No, she's always yeah, because it's

(12:42):
always like he's ruining her babysitting her haircut, is ruining
his life. You know. It's like it's always against each
other or whatever they meet each other, and when she's
pretending to be French, right, that's a bummer. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
I wish there had been just one episode, maybe the
episode right before this, where we saw them just loving
life together, having so much fun, seeing the way they
compliment each other, not like wow, you're so cute, but
like actually personality wise compliment each other and and and
being like wow, they really do have something special to

(13:19):
the way.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
You're rooting for Corey and Sean. You know. Yeah, it's
a it's just been told. I've just been told.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
So that that bothered me a little bit because I
wanted to I wanted to really feel the gravity of
oh my gosh, this is going to change everything, But
I didn't feel it as much as I felt like.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
We were being told to feel it.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
I I will tell you one thing I absolutely loved, though,
I do love in this episode how much Eric is
happily taking on the I want to protect my little brother.
I love my little brother. I'm there for my little brother.
I'm looking out for him. I liked that underlying thread

(14:03):
of their relationship being solid and important. There are some
weird like that opening scene, well not the opening scene,
but the scene in the living room where he pushes you.
There's no laugh there. It's there's some weird choices that
where they didn't help. They didn't help the situation any
and maybe they didn't want to laugh. Maybe Michael wanted

(14:25):
it to be an intense how'd you do this to me?

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Push him back? And it's not supposed to be funny,
but it needed a laugh.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, Yeah, that's all. Yeah, that's what. That's why I
don't think it's Will's acting. I think it's just the
tonal choices. The actual writing does. Actually it allows for
there to be comedy in this initial three scenes or whatever,
but the way they're played is like, like Will, I
think what you're feeling is that you know you're playing

(14:55):
drama and coreysing drama and I'm somewhat playing drama and
it's like that is it's just it's it's a choice,
you know. That was like I think the whole episode
and all of us made and yeah, I have so
many thoughts about this episode. I kind of like went
crazy writing a bunch of notes last night. I had
to like pause it and yeah, but I don't know

(15:15):
if it's worth As I went down to Romeo and
Juliette rabbit Hole, even before it was introduced, I was like,
you know, so I think that there's like there's there's
a lot of power in this episode, and I think
that this episode is the beginning of a new era
in the show, and it felt familiar to me. Yeah,

(15:36):
and I think that I think it's just, you know,
it's one of those things that defines Boy Meets World.
And I felt the moment it hit me and we'll
get to it when I hit this and I had
to like pause the episode and just take a bunch
of notes and think about it for a while. So, like,
what was happening in this moment? And I think it's
sort of this is like kind of a branch of

(15:56):
of Boy Meets World, you know, like this moment changes
the show. Oh and uh, you know, I think for
a lot of people, especially for like I imagine if
you were eleven or twelve watching this and you're thinking,
this is what teenagers are, you know, act like this
could have been a really cool, profound, beautiful thing, you know,

(16:17):
like where you're just like the Doomed Love because Doomed
Love is so exciting and fun and like I just
doesn't say it must it's been very emotional, yeah, sexy,
And I think and I think to see you know,
I don't know Corey as a romantic lead, and like,
I think all of this would have probably been really
cool for a certain mindset As an adult. Now I
look at it and I have so many criticisms and

(16:38):
I have so many issues with the sort of the
worldview that the storytelling creates. But you know, and I
want to talk about that because I think I can,
you know, and like I said, I kind of went
down this rabbit hole. But it's hard, it's it's hard
to I don't know, it's it's hard to judge because
I know how important this episode is.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, you could also play a little devil's advocate that
there's actually I'm not sure I agree with this, but
I could see this point of view that it's actually
very good writing that you get this much of an
emotional base out of a relationship you haven't developed at all.
So it's like but like you know what I mean,
it's like you're you're telling the kids what to feel.

(17:18):
But by the end of these two episodes, Corey and
Topang I've been together since they were five years old,
and we're in.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
And they are and then so there's something to this
is to you where it's well that's what I think. Yeah,
it's it's we're sort of like building the biblical basis
of of Boyd Beats World. You know, it's like we've
been teasing it a lot. We've been teasing like Corey
and Topanga are like meant for each other. But here
it's like we're getting into like the real uh uh.

(17:46):
It's actually built into the fabric of the reality, and
we I mean we actually say, like what kind of
TV show is that it's like built into the reality
that the show has built. Is it's like being like
pounded in and now it's a foundation element of the
show and for better or worse, you know, Like personally,
I think I liked it at the time. I think

(18:06):
as a melodramatic teenager, I love the stuff and I
related to it. Now I look back on it and
I go, you know, with all the things we've talked
about with Corey and you know, the sort of self righteousness,
and you know, it's it's intense, it's really intense. But
I think that that boldness is also kind of cool, So,
you know, and I think that boldness might be a while.

(18:27):
A lot of people are listening to this podcast right now,
right right is because they were affected by this bold
choice that this show made and that it you know,
because like Wonder Years, right is the is the comp
I guess, and everybody talks about Winnie and Kevin, does
anybody even they don't end up together, right, It's just
kind of.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Like it something like she was and I was with
my wife when I went and picked her husband up
at the train station or something like that, to let
you know they didn't end up together, yeah, right, And
I think that's being.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Like, no, they should have ended up to get right,
And I think that that was the sort of model
is that you're you know, the coming of age story
is about young love and young broken heart. And how
you grow up and it actually doesn't matter, and Boy
Meets World leans so heavily into just subverting that and
to saying, no, guess what if it does work out?

(19:15):
What if it does work what if we are meant
to be? And we're gonna you know? And that's right.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, it's also Romeo and Juliet again, And other than
the fact that it's they're young and in love, it
really has.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Nothing to do with Romeo and Juliet. That's the other thing.
I mean, their families don't their families don't hate each other.
They're just star pages of notes on Romean Juliet. And
then saw that it actually got introduced in the story
because I had completely forgotten that, and I was like, oh,
maybe this is too on the nose for me to
talk too much about rome and Juliet. But it was
so frustrating.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, of course, Well we will get into it all.
So we start in Chubbies. A long haired Eric walks
into a very busy Chubbies and sees in the back
room Sean giving a visibly just dressed to panga a
big hug. Eric continues to watch the interaction. Sean squeezes
to Panga's arms. It's a silent movie.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
You also see Topanga is clearly upset. Yes, why would
Eric think anything romantic?

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Right?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah? Right? And it's like, so this is where I
started to Devil's advocate.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Topanga's upset because something just happened between her and Sean
and now she's gonna have to tell Corey.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
She would take a hug and a kiss from him
after that, maybe she wants to be with Sean.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
So Tapega's upset because I'm gonna have to break Corey's heart.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
This we're meant to be.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
And so I because I did think that, because I
thought the same thing, like, oh my gosh, Topanga's obviously upset,
isn't Eric worried about?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well, I wonder what's going on with Tepega?

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yes, But then I thought, well, if Tapega's upset because
they're discussing, how are we going to break this news
to Corey?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
I just I'm such I like the alternative opening half
of this episode could have been a series of misunderstandings
and hatchings that were very funny, where exactly Eric sees
something sneaks around tell somebody you know, and then Corey
hears about it, and then Corey lies and it could
have been three hysterical scenes and then the rest of

(21:20):
the episode ripped your heart out when you realize what's
actually going on. But instead we all we start right
with the heaviness, and we start right with like, clearly
something's going on with Tapanga, clearly you know it's like
and and I'm just not sure is the audience supposed
to believe that Eric is this much of an idiot,
which could have been funny if Eric is just misinterpreting
and like he goes home to Corey and is like

(21:40):
they were making out left and right, and he's like,
you know, he's and we know as an audience that
he was being it, But instead we're not. We're supposed
to actually believe in the drama of it, which no
one believes. You're never no one thinks I was. There
was no but it also just had the world we've developed,
Tapega would cheat on him and Sean wouldn't do this.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
You know what, I think, you know what I think,
I think I agree with you writer about had it
been hijinks. I think one of the things that I
didn't love about this is it felt very much like
the child abuse episode, Sean has a secret and it's
drama and Eric doesn't know what it is, but they're
going to get to the bottom of it. But isn't

(22:25):
isn't abuse, It's I'm moving. You're like, oh, I don't
think it's worth all that.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
It's a move about. Corey was trying to have sex
with Topanga and it.

Speaker 6 (22:39):
Was funny understanding and it was still character based.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
It wasn't like over the top ridiculousness, but it was
still funny misunderstanding that took the whole first half of
the episode before we get to the meet and and
this is just like, no, we're Eric, We're starting, and
it's just like, oh, and I think it's a misstep
because yeah, because like yeah, anyway.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
So anyway, Sean leans in and kisses Topanga on the cheek.
Eric is shocked, shaking his head in disbelief as sad
guitar melody plays and still.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
And also no dialogue, not going to confront Sean. Then no,
like later on, he's so bold, he like seeks him out. Nothing, nothing,
very strange.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
So then quickly we are into the Matthew's kitchen, Corey
and Morgan are chowing down on some food. Corey yells
out to Eric, don't think I don't appreciate a good
tea bone, but I would have been plenty happy with
a double Chubbys burger. Morgan is annoyed. He gets steak,
I get cold grilled cheese.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
What gives?

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Eric explains, I just feel that our little brother, with
his interesting life, deserves a hearty meal. He gives Corey
a little massage on the shoulders and lean and he
gives Corey a little massage on the shoulders and leans
into Morgan, who isn't buying it. Do I normally do
nice stuff for Corey? She shakes her head. So why
would I be doing something nice for Corey now? And
Morgan realizes because something terrible happened to him, which I

(24:04):
didn't think was funny.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Great, and she's cage appropriate this episode. Yes, it's not
like they don't have her in footy pajamas in a
you know, in a sea and playing with the sea
and says, everything's going on.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
It's like, okay, good, she's a kid. Good.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Corey had a feeling this meal was one of those
condemned Man Death Row Last Meal kind of things, but
he points out that can't be because there's no cake.
And then Eric pulls the lid off of a large
container on the toll to reveal a beautiful chocolate cake,
and I thought, just pull We need to pull the

(24:36):
cake from somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Can we not just turn around and grab it off
the counter?

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Exactly not too much removed to literally turn behind me,
grab the cake, put it down in front of it
for the nice reveal.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
It was no, you're waiting for it. So the second
he says the cake.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Rolling, the first thing I thought was, what's in that
big cake.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Giant cake tin? What's with the giant cake tin that's
never been there before? Is that going to come back?
Is that gonna playing this scene? I wish we could
talk to Matt Nelson because I'm so curious what was
happening Like it feels like it feels like this episode
like we're coming off of chick Like Me? Right? Is

(25:13):
that the last one? Right? Which must be yeah, which
must have been a big episode for production, right, ring
with all those stuff, and then we go into this
two parter. It's just there's so much pressure on this episode.
I'm so curious what happened during.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
This I'm also curious if it was written together, if
they wrote it as one giant piece kind of and
then split.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I think so, I'm assuming so, but I just feel
like there's there's just there was some interesting There's so
many interesting choices, like the idea to play this for
drama from the get go is a big choice, and
then like, there's just I'm just curious what was happening
this week. It was totally It was.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Totally a weird episode for me, And I thought, do
you remember making this at all?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
No?

Speaker 1 (25:55):
You know what I remember is I remember the thing,
and you know, obviously this is thirty years later, so
we're in no boiler alerts here. But I'm the thing
I remember more than anything was the reaction to the
audience went to Panga shows up again in the second part,
and I remember Olivia Hussey next episode. This episode not
at all. I didn't remember throwing you against the wall.
I didn't remember any of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Nope, I feel like it was written rewritten a lot
at the lay.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, maybe something must have been you know, we we
unfortunately we obviously can't talk to him out Nelson, but
we could talk to Jeff McCracken, who always has good
insight so we can talk to when we should have
Jeff on again and we should talk to him.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Do you remember making this at all, Daniel.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
No, not this episode actually, I mean yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I mean I get to do it. You also, you're
the character who should have drama, right you playing this
for like this, the stakes being high and your life
being like, that's totally great. You know, I thought that.
I thought that it was good too. I thought he.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
I thought that, the two of them, But that its
when everybody's there in that scene dramatic mode, if you know,
if they're in the drama in the mailstream and then
everybody around them is lighter, it I know makes for
better drama.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
It might be, but this isn't. This isn't a knock
on on on Ben as an actor, but it you know,
it's Corey's intensity and guilt tripping. That's just so it's
like like that he makes it about it, you know again,
like over and that that just greats like that's not
and that's not an acting thing. That's just like literally
a one note character decision that keeps getting written over
and over again. It's like, okay, I got it. Yeah,

(27:30):
it's also very sixteen though, how do how does whatever's
going on is really about him?

Speaker 3 (27:35):
To Penga's moving, that's my really, that's my girlfriend, that's
my relationship.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
This is going to change my weekend.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Plans, my night plans, everything, everything, everything about you know,
and and my parents don't seem to be super supportive
about my Once I come to the decision that we're
going to make it work, my parents don't seem super supportive.
Everyone's talking about pain, and I'm trying to be in
denial that there's gonna be any pain.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
We're gonna do this, So I don't.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
I think it's okay that he like and he when
in the moments when to Pang is really upset, he
tries to comfort her. It's, Oh, we're gonna do this. Yes,
we're gonna see Can we see each other every weekend?
Can we write letters every day?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (28:10):
So his he did Corey as a character did not
bother me this episode.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
I agree, I agree it was Also he also said
things like, you know, maybe we if somebody does ask
you out and I'm not there is it there that
you can't really go out with this person? So it's
like I think they I kind of liked his struggle
in this episode because he was going back and forth
from the very selfish Corey that we've seen before to

(28:36):
trying to think more about Tapanga's feelings.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
That's what I got out of it.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
And again, when you're sixteen, I mean, you know this
better than anybody you were you had a girlfriend by
the time you were twelve. It is all encompassing when
you're in love at.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Fifteen seventeen years and I like manic upset Corey, you know, right,
Like Corey with the Romeo and Juliet and Poenie is
like a great scene like that is like the most
Y you were refusing a kiss to Panga to say goodbye.
It's Corey yelling at his mom like you know, it's
and it's just it's it's just one note. Like I
also think that there's a version of like Corey freaking

(29:10):
out that's very funny, you know, like like and and
and this is not played for comedy. This is played
for I don't believe in Pittsburgh, you know. And it's
that level of like, well Jesus kid.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Like you know, and the destiny part of it, and
you know what, like I.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Agree, like that's actually how sixteen year olds are, But
the show itself is bolstering Corey's worldview, like, we are
not we are not laughing at an emotional teenager. We
are being taught by the emotion from the emotions of
the teenager. We are supposed to feel bad as an audience.
And that's like, right, what's the right perspective? Oh, he's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
So Corey stands up dead man walking. He asks his
brother if they should do this in the living room,
and Eric strokes his face. We could do it there,
and then we flipped the Matthews living room.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Eric. I wanted more of that, Like I wanted a
little more like Eric, Eric being over the top, you
know with this situation, or he does deliver.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
He does deliver in a little bit with the knife
to the stomach. And the hard part was that they
didn't they and they did have a laugh there, but
they don't want to lean too much into the laughter,
so they held laughs in other places where I think
they should have escalated it. So Eric assures Corey he's
only telling him this because he's the older brother and
it's the right thing to do.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Corey's panicked. He doesn't want to know.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Eric says he has to know, So Corey finely caves
he'll be fine as long as this.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
News has nothing to do with Sean or to bank.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Eric doesn't know how to tell him, so he talks
in Japanese and stabs himself in the stomach, dramatically falling
dead onto the couch and imitating suppuku, which is the
Samurai practice of voluntarily dying with honor rather than falling
into the hands of your enemies.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Eric decides to just rip the band aid off. He
saw Sean at Chubby's with Tepanga, and he kissed her,
and I'm just gett to say it once and maybe
fifty times. Nowhere does anyone mention that it was on
the cheek? Was it really supposed to have been?

Speaker 1 (31:14):
They tried, yes, So the way they tried to do
it was say, they clearly have Sean bending around her
face so that we as the audience can kind of
see that it wasn't romantic.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
But from Eric's point of view, it looks like they're
going lip to lip.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
I think that's what they were going for, right, But again,
none of this makes sense to run back and be
like I just saw your best friend your girlfriend kissing
or making out first of all, like they'd be doing it.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
In public at the one place everyone in town goes to.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
All of a sudden, Corey's not going to find out
that Tapeka's Again, we've already established Korrey as the most
popular and well known person in all of all Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
So nobody's going to notice that they're making out. But
even also if you had run back and impulsively blurted
out to core but instead you have like a whole right,
it's so it's like you've had time to think about
this and consider this.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
The best part is that while Sean and Topanga are
making out in the back room, what happened next in
order for this kitchen scene to make sense is that
Will turned around and walked up. It was like, can
I get a t bone and a red cheese?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
And then he had to wait for the food. Well,
they were just in that the food. They're still there
making like did you notice that she's crying? And it
was a kiss on the cheek. By the twenty minutes
you're waiting at Chubbies.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Because everyone knows one thing about Chubbies, the pickapor is
already that fast.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's good food, but it's not good food quickly, yeah,
so I come on, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
It was just it, it was it wasn't there that
was And then it's a weird start.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's such a start, it is. It's a bizarre start.
It doesn't get better for another couple.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Turn out it's to be a great you know, two
part or like it is such important part of boy
me's world lore.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
But man, it started rough. So Corey's in shock.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
He immediately heads for the phone and dials Sean in
a panic, but he doesn't pick up. He tells Eric
nothing happened, dials to Panga, but she doesn't pick up either. Corey,
who has nowhere to turn with this, is frustrated with Eric.
I understand, you're my older brother. You're not supposed to
let anything bad happen to me. He proceeds to aggressively
push Eric backwards onto the couch, and then Corey shouts,
how could you let this happen to me?

Speaker 2 (33:16):
And again there being no laugh.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Feels super weird because even this roller coaster Corey's on,
even having just found out that he thinks his best
friend kissed his girlfriend, it's still if he was like,
absolutely nothing happened, absolutely nothing everything gotten like and him
pushing his.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Brother like, all of that could have been very funny
for last Yeah, do you think that we did this
with no audience?

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
I honestly don't remember, because I know the living room
by this point was still directly in front.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Of the audience. I know. It feels like we definitely
would have some reaction to that. I know, but maybe
they did.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Maybe they pre taped this because they didn't want to
laugh there. I don't know yet either.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Eric is upside down on the couch now, chilling out.
He knows Corey's upset and that's why he's not gonna
kick his butt. Corey makes sure he's heard this correctly.
You saw him kiss her? Eric confirms he did. Corey
shakes his head and admits, then my butt's kicked anyway.
And this is where I noticed as Ben turned and
walked up the stairs. Ben has a fuzz on.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
His butt he's at which is different than a fuzz bucket.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yes, and I only really noticed it, especially because he
was like talking about your Then my butt's kicked anyway.
And he turns and walks up the stairs, and he's
wearing a burgundy shirt and there's a white piece of
buzz right in the center of.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
His shirt exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
It was like, by now my eyes are on your
butt and you've got thus on your butt?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
How did nobody notice on your butt?

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Were back in the John Adams cafeteria.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
A lot of extras.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
In this episode. And there's still a blood drive will yep.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Always always there's a lot of a lot of blood
needed in the Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
We haven't been in the cafeteria for a while. I
know this might be like since the lunch lady died.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, maybe it's been all in classroom, we'll say, when
you are in school.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah yeah, classroom in home, I don't think. Yeah, it
suddenly felt young. Didn't feel young. It's I suddenly was like,
how old are we? I know, eating a cafeteria. I'm
still eating a cafeteria. I'm sorry. I'm thinking about the
Feene vampire.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
What if he's a vampire. Listen, he's got he's got
bodies buried in the backyard.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
What if he he drained him first? Oh my god. Yeah,
it's all making sense. It's all starting to make sense now. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, I was just happy to see myself drinking the
red drink because I know for a fact I have
exactly what that red drink tasted like, I know I
have had it, but I've paid attention to every episode
I've been and you never drink it. I'm never drinking
the red drink. You must drink this bacteria. No, in

(36:10):
this scene, I'm drinking it. And I was thrilled to
watch myself take a drink and I go, there we go.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I at least have.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
That.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
I did at least drink it one time. So yeah,
I was. I was thrilled. I was like, there, I
am drinking red drink.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
So happy.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Sewan and Topanga are sitting next to each other eating
lunch to Panga is still obviously upset. Corey walks right
up to them and awkwardly greets the two. Sean and
Topanga stare at him, wide eyed, not saying a thing.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Do this zoom? You're supposed to be funny? Is this funny?
Or is this like a horror film? Like I don't know.
Is it supposed to be drama or it should be funny? Guys,
it's so totally off last.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I'm sorry, but Rider, this is exactly the conversation you
and I have had a number of times about This
is why sometimes the laugh track is necessary, because if
you're going for the laugh, that scene is completely different
if you throw laughs under anything.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Same and so is the scene with you being pushed
on the back of the couch and all of it.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
It's all it's.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
All light, light, light, and then bomb, right instead of
there's a bomb, there's a bomb. There's a bomb, it's
a it's a different bomb.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
M hmm. I mean, okay, I mean I think what
happened is I think at some I think probably I
don't remember this specifically, but I remember a lot of
moments and scenes like this. I wouldn't be surprised if
the network or somebody was already giving pushback on the
seriousness of Corey into Panka's love, and really that Michael

(37:38):
Jacobs was doubling down on this storyline, because it feels
like somebody went through and said, this is important, this
is serious. We're not playing this for laughs. We're gonna
play this for you know, this is an important love
and you feel that in the like the tone or
the show and actually in the writing there is the
potential for laughs. But yeah, you're right, will like somebody

(38:01):
decided to not have a laugh track, And you know,
I think that you know, our team, I'm not going
to pin it all on Michael necessarily, but our team
decided to be like, no, this is a very special
episode and we're going to change the tone of the
show in order to boster this, you know. And I
feel like, yeah, I mean it did always like don't
you guys remember the Corey Tapanga seriousness being something discussed

(38:25):
constantly on set?

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah, And I know, I know for a fact it
was very important to Michael this relationship. We are not
going to do the stereotypical they don't end up together,
but you want them to. We're not doing that. They
will be together.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
When did that decision get made on behind the scenes,
because I feel like this might have been the week.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yeah maybe maybe, but I do know, I do know
that Well, I guess, I don't know. I do not
think the network would have been pushing back about what
they had seen so far about oh, this is too serious.
But I could see them saying, what's happening with this relationship?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
What?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
What's where are the stakes here?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
They're just together and they're just gonna casually be together,
Like where what's the thing? Like yeah, and and Michael
saying no, don't worry, you wait till you see what
we're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I also think we know Michael well enough to where
he would say, and I think I can I can
honestly say that he would say I knew they were
going to end up together the second she pushed him
against the locker.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
He would say that.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yes, he would say that the second she push him
against the locker, I knew they were going to be
married for the rest of.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Their life and made her a regular right, she wasn't
willing to pay her I wouldn't want to actually commit
to that. But that's what I think Michael would say.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
It was he knew from the second yeah, you pushed
him against the locker, and they had that moment at
the end.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I think they were gonna end up to the truth
in that storytelling is that the kernel of something great
happened in that very for episode, absolutely right, and like
the but you know yeah, so yes, there is truth
in that right, Like you see the Corey Topanga episode
and you go, this is the show, if not like
a pillar of the show, the same way that you

(40:15):
see you know, Eric, I'm trying to think, is there
a defining Eric early moment. I mean, I think for.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Showing throwing the bag with with yeah right, or I
always go to you know, you go to Julia white
on on Family Matters. You know, he wasn't the show
wasn't about Rkle at all when it started. And then
some another character comes on and you go, oh, this
is the show. And I think we had that with Tapanga,
but then they don't bring her on for four seasons.

(40:42):
So I think, in a really weird way, this is
the start of Corey and Tapanga. This episode is the
start of Krey.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I think this is the episode. This is the episode
that that that that launches the commitment, right, like we
are going to commit as a show, as a couple
at all. You know, we're all in and the audience
is coming with us. And and it feels a little
I feel in these first scenes it feels like we're
being pushed into that direction, right, like this is important. No, no, no,

(41:10):
We're not going to just make a joke out of this,
and it's it's it's heavy handed. I guess it's easy, yeah,
way to put yeah, But I mean you can tell
that John McCracken with the camera moves is trying to
find the comedy here, like there's yes, there's a joke
in there. Yeah, I feel like there was a conversation
going on, you know, like and it just kind of
fell in between.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, that camera move was clearly for a joke and
the eyes making or clearly for a joke.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Hello, Topanga, close on you, Hello, Sean close on you, Hello,
both of you pull back to the two of them.
That's a that's a joke.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yes, I know, should be funny, but it's not played
as a joke.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
I know.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Corey finally blurts out to Panga, I need to talk
to you. She quickly stands up.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
She can't.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
She has Phoenie's history class. Corey stops her, knowing full
well she has lunch right now. He asks why she
didn't call him back last night, and she shrugs it
was really late. It was only seven. She has no
answer other than she has history now, and she darts out.
Sean stands up to run after her, but Corey stops him.
Where are you going? Sean stutters, I have history now.
Corey's tone turns cold. You have lunch now with me,

(42:08):
Sean wins. You let her go, Corey gives him a
death stare, and Sean sits back down at the lunch table.
Corey says he's going to be absolutely mature about this.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Knock knock.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Sean asks who's there, and Corey responds, you and Topanga
together at Chubby's last night.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Eric saw you.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Sean nervously says the line back to him, You and
Topanga together at Chubby's last night. Eric saw you and
then adds who. Corey ditches the joke, you were at
Chubby's last night. Sean says, Eric has no idea what
he saw. Corey asks again if he was at Chubby's
last night, and Sean says yes. Cory asks if he
was there with Tapanga, and again Sean says yes. Corey

(42:46):
says he's looking for a no on this last question.
Did you kiss her? Sean nods yes. Corey shouts no
in horror. Shawn assures him it was no big deal.
Topanga got into a fight with her parents and was
really emotional. Sean happened to be at so he gave
her a hug and an innocent kiss. You know, I
tell you everything. Then why are you avoiding kissing her

(43:07):
on the cheek?

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah? Why not? Just say I kiss her on the cheek. Sure,
but I also feel like, did you guys kiss people
in the cheeks to make them feel better? Like is
that a especially for teenagers? Like I think I had
this weird moment of like, is Sean like kissing like
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
It's a hug and because the hug would would not
have sold it because I know, but that's what you do.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I mean that you hug somebody. I had to buy
into this reality. I was like, right, why is Sean
so defensive and like, yeah, you know, like you kiss
her on the cheek. For me, it was like, you know,
you lick her neck. It's it's not something I don't know,
Like did I ever kiss girls on the cheek that
I was friends with, especially at that age when hormones
are raging? No, you kiss moms on the cheek, you kid?

(43:50):
You know, like grownups maybe and if you're European, hello,
but like just to make the panga feel better, Sean
leans down just that whole I was like, is because
that's kind of Cory a little bit in this moment
because it's like that that that is a little weird, dude,
Why don't you just accept it. Yeah, I probably shouldn't
done it.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, So Sean is sure to Panga will talk to
him about it soon. They just happen to run into
each other first, that's all Corey siys. He feels better.
Sean tells him to Panka loves you. Your brother's got
you jumping to conclusions. Tell him to back off. Corey
tells Sean to excuse him, and we get a flip.
But I don't know that I would call it an
optical flip. It's it's just like a direct flip.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Maybe it's an intensity flip, because man, do I look
intense when you are ready to go? I'm like a firecracker.
You're feeling froggy.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Just jump. Oh, I am ready to go. I don't
understand the point of this whole. No, I don't either.
It makes and we go back to you for you
to insist that you saw what you saw and come
beat me up about it? Right? And why that is it?

Speaker 5 (44:51):
Like?

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Why is that necessary to the story. I don't know.
I feel like co is what it's supposed to be.
I guess I just feel like, you know, we're trying
to preserve Eric's virtue or like his willingness to fight. Well,
that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that and that.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Eric's like, no, I know what I saw, Bro, I'm
not gonna let your best friend gaslight your friend. I
know what I saw, and it was weird.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Audiences the audience could clearly see what was going on.
The audience, the audience knows that something. So it just
makes Eric look even like a bully or you like,
it's just kind of like, dude, chi, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Eric is also supposed to be what nineteen or twenty
at this point, and he's going after a kid in
high school, right, Yeah, it's not a good look for
Eric and not good acting for Will, so doubly that.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
They're back in the bath these living room, Corey is
in Eric's face, shouting that Sean is his best friend
and Tapango loves him. He accuses Eric of being a
twisted sibling for assuming the worst he's supposed to protect him.
Eric blankly stares at Corey and responds with another excuse me,
and we get another flip now, with an angry Eric
approaching Sean at Chubbies. Eric grabs Sean by his shirt

(46:04):
and aggressively pushes him against the wall.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Sean is nervous. He tells Eric he doesn't know what's
going on.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Eric asks, you think you can do something that causes
Corey payne and you're not going to get pay back.
He shoves Sean against the wall even harder.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
If we buzt it out and it wasn't I meet
me at Chubbies, But I remember this at all? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:25):
And I mean no, and you figure me grabbing you
and throwing against the wall would trigger some kind of
memory of oh, I remember we worked this out or
but nope, don't remember this even slightly.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
He shoves Sean against the wall even harder, and then
Corey interjects he's come to his own conclusion. Just as
Sean gets himself in order, Corey pushes him back into
the wall. He says, something bad did happen. Sean tells
him that's true, but he can't tell him what the
bad thing is. He just needs to talk to Tapanga.
Corey leaves, and Eric menacingly points at Sean, who in
double point?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Did you notice that I gave it? It was this
for some reason. I don't even know what this is.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
This is like it was like the double whatever whatever
wasn't even a point it was like the double point.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
So you did do that? Yeah, because even Sue was like, oh,
you give him like the double point.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
I was like, yeah, man, I want him doubly to
know that I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Oh but does anybody have.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Any guesses by the way of how close you think
Chubbies is to the Matthews house.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
I mean it has to be walking distance. They can
walk there, right, everybody's within walking distance, because then we
say Tapanga lives around the corner in the two scenes, Okay,
So I.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Was like thinking, Chubby's is on one side of the
train tracks, Corey lives over there, Sean lives just on
the other side.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Of the train tracks, okay.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
And Topanga lives around the back corner from Chebys, so
they're both walking distance.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
They're all chubby adjacent, correct, Okay? And the trailer park
is right in.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
The middle, yes, but on the other side of the
on the other side of the tracks.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Gotcha correct.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
So then we're in Topanga's rooms still with signs of
season one to Panga on the wall. There's an Ozone
depletion poster it dolphins.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
I mean it's obviously being packed up, yeah, which explains it,
but it felt I was like, whoa, it's a cold
different room because it's the whole different. I missed the old. Yeah,
and Corey doesn't notice.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
He does eventually, eventually you notice they're playing it that
he's focused on whatever the hell?

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Wow, what happened? What's going on? Right?

Speaker 1 (48:22):
It's like, I'm laser focused on this one thing, and
I don't notice that your entire room is different?

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Why is he climbing into the window that romantic rider.
It's the only way seen anybody come in and out
of this room.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Boys and girls, if you're going to see each other,
you have to climb up trees and through window.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Obviously it's a Romeo. It's a little too of course.
It's Act two scene too. Of course. To Panga is.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Longingly staring at a picture of her and Corey. Just
as Corey knocks on her window, she lets him in.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
What's he doing?

Speaker 3 (48:55):
He responds by kissing her, and the audience oohs. Topanga
asks what was that for, and Corey tells her I
wanted to be the last one to kiss you before
I kill you. He explains that his favorite part of
their relationship is that they've always been able to talk
to each other about anything the same we're told, so
he wants her to talk to him. She immediately leans

(49:17):
in for another kiss, and Corey asks what was that for.
She admits, I wanted to be the last one to
kiss you before I kill you. She hangs her head,
unable to face Corey. He acknowledges it must be something
really bad to Panga faces him, Corey, You're my best friend,
you always have been and more. I know how young
and stupid this is, but I've always believed that we'd

(49:38):
be together for the rest of our lives. Now I
do kind of buy that to Panga has felt that
way because in the Sweet sixteen episode we danced, and
it was very important for me to dance to that
because my parents danced totally.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
I also just think that's the way you do feel often. Yes,
you people feel like, oh my god, we're going to
beat the odds. It's so great. I just realized, like,
nothing up until this point in the episode matters for
the rest of the episode.

Speaker 6 (50:07):
Nope, like nothing that has happened, No plays infects. No, No,
it doesn't right because Eric, the fact of Eric and
Sean like that dynamic never comes back. No, wou then
we're working together. Second episode.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
If there's any acknowledgment of me pushing you up against
a wall, that ever is brought back in any way,
shape or form.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
The only thing that plays into it is that Eric
has made it clear, and Corey's made it clear you're
my big brother, You're supposed to protect me, and that
Eric has made it clear I take that job seriously.
And so then later in the episode, Eric is like, listen,
I don't know how to save you from this. I

(50:45):
don't know how to. I've tried everything, and I think
the only way through it is through it. Yeah, I
wish somehow there was a way. I love too that
At the end, Sean reverts back to one of the
things we loved about early Sean and Corey was that
on gives terrible advice. You're the reason Corey thinks it's
not really going to happen is because you convince him.

(51:05):
Oh no, trust me, I'm an expert. I'm an expert.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
None.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Nothing bad happens in the overconfidence of like, I don't
know TV shows, this is life.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Oh yeah, And we had it in the Sweet sixteen
episode of Trust Me. It's a TV show. So that's
a fun callback.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
And it's Matt Nelson, right, yes, yeah, No, I just like,
I just think you could have started the episode here
and we have pretty pretty much the same series of
events from here on there. It's so unaffected by those
first that, yeah, you know, as opposed to like the
abuse episode, which this is structured, yeah, the most similarly
to where that confusion plays into the thematics of like Corey,

(51:43):
you know, moving too fast on Tapanga and Sean you know,
it all kind of comes together. So even though there's
a misunderstanding that gets resolved after the first act, it
at least plays into the second act, whereas, Yeah, in
this case, I'm just not sure it does at all,
Like it's just gone, yeah anyway.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
And at least I like that, at least to Pang
acknowledges that it's crazy to think you're going to be
together forever, but you always did.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Right, and she's like, I know, this probably sounds stupid,
but and then Corey calls a stop time because he
knows that if Ta Panga keeps going, she'll eventually get
to the bad part. If they stop time, they'll be
together for the rest of their lives. Tapanga starts to
tear up and sits down on the bed. Corey reminds
her he called a stop time. She can't cry during
a stop time. She lays her head on his shoulder
and sniffles. Corey starts to notice the boxes in her room.

(52:28):
Why are there so many boxes everywhere? Tapega finally breaks
the news my family and I are moving. Corey is
hopeful to an hour different house on the same block
to Pega clarifies we're leaving Philadelphia. They just stare at
each other as the screen fades to black and we
go to a commercial, and then we come back. We're
into Panga's room. Continuous. Corey is slumped over on Topanga's bed.

(52:52):
The Laurence family is moving the day after tomorrow. Her
mom was transferred and they need her right away.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
So fast move, man, there's no way out. Fast, fast move.
So this is where I had to pause and just
sort of linger for a moment on what you know,
the power of this moment, which was really cool to realize,
like how big moving is for kids. Yeah, you it's

(53:19):
a perfect I mean, it's it's the perfect storytelling way
to show the disempowerment of children like you. Can't control this.
You cannot your parents need a job change and move.
You were going to lose your teachers, your friends, your community,
and it's like and you can't do anything about it,
like really, because you're just a kid. And I thought

(53:42):
this is such a great place for storytelling. I mean,
like maybe like one of my favorite places is to
to put the audience and the characters right into you know,
the child situation, the children's mindset. You can't and I think,
you know, it's it's easy to forget that that kids

(54:04):
feel just as much. It's not more than grown ups, right,
hell yeah, but there's they just they don't have any power.
They can't do anything about it. They just they they're
stuck with the parents they got, or the or the
you know, being whatever their their life situation is, the
class they're in, the country they're in, they're just stuck there.
They don't get that choice, and and yet they feel

(54:24):
just as much. And I think that is so beautiful,
and that is like one of the central you know,
the the best parts of children's storytelling or or movies
or television shows about kids is that you can you
can have a moment like this right where you really
just and then you know, for me, I had to

(54:46):
think about, like and then where does this episode go?
And it goes in a place that really and we'll
get you know, I guess in this next episode really
where it re empowers the kids through their love. Yeah,
which is just a weird storytelling choice that you sent
me down this rabbit hole of Romeo and Juliet and
the comparisons, which we can get into maybe next episode

(55:08):
when we have Olivia Hassion. But like, it's it's a
really it's it's such a powerful like this is just
a powder keg of a moment in boy Meet's world, loar,
and I kind of loved it, and then I got
really worried about where it's going to go.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
I remember my parents telling me we were moving when
I was nine or ten years old, and we were
leaving Orange County and moving to Calabasas. And it was
like wait, so wait, what do you mean? And where
is this and it's how far away? And well how
am I going to see Jessica? And and you know,
they tried to tell me, we promise, we'll make it easy.

(55:55):
You know, Jessica's parents will meet halfway. You guys, can
you can spend a weekend with Jessa. Jessica can come
and spend a weekend with you, and it being like oh, okay,
and then being like so what school am I going
to go to?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
And like who?

Speaker 3 (56:06):
And I don't know anything about this neighborhood and it
feeling like wait, how come are you sure? There was
a reveeling like wait, this isn't even something you're talking
to me about. You're telling me it's happening, and I do.
I remember it feeling really kind of scary, and I
worry about it because I know we're going to want
to move. We're going to want to move at some

(56:26):
point with my kids, and Adler has no idea how
that works. He's already talked to me. He's like, so
if we move, no, just no one ever lives in
this house again. And I go no, of course, honey,
Like then somebody else moves into this house.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
He goes, not into my house. I love my house.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
It's like he can't fathom that, like, his room isn't
always going to just be his room. So you're right,
it is such a crazy thing to think about. Just
kids have no power.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I did the same thing in third grade. We moved
twenty minutes away. I never saw those kids again.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yeah, yeah, you just yank. I mean, it's just your
your whole lia. But that's the other thing is kids
are also really adaptable. I know. So it's a combination.
What you do is you you insist on your relationship,
you demand for it, and you make the reality shift
to it. You do not need somebody new will God
he missed it. Miss This is my problem is that

(57:25):
you can't like that's a really horrible lesson. I'm sorry,
Like fine, fine to Panga.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Panga gives Corey a soft smile. Corey goes on, I'm
as young and stupid as you. Tapanga apologizes for being
afraid to talk to him. Corey says, this is just
a simple piece of cake test for a relationship as
solid as theirs.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
To Panga agrees.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
If two people who care about each other as much
as we do can't hold it together, then there's no
hope for anyone. Corey knows it'll take something a lot
bigger than Pittsburgh to break them apart. To Pega kisses
him and he asks again, what was that for? She smiles,
I wanted to be the last one to kiss you
before I kiss you again, They smile and they rest
their heads against each other, and again there were no

(58:08):
laughs in that scene.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
And why do kisses always have to be for something
very important? I spent a lot of that scene it
was high Death, by the way, because I want to
I've never been kissed by somebody and say, and I
feel like we've done that a lot. It feels like
such a boy meets world thing, Like is it? Let's
keep this conversation going. Can you explain why you just

(58:31):
kissed it? Why did you just kiss me girlfriend of
mine that I love so much? Well, yeah, you're right.
And then also when you think about like now I'm
going to kiss you to and sorts you or change
your mind about side, it's it's instrumental. Kissing is instrumental.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
It's never affection or to tell you I love you,
or to show in some other way the words I'm saying.
If you do it, you have to explain it. So
then we're in the Matthew's kitchen. Corey is fever scribbling
on a map. Amy tries to reason with him. I
know how hard this must seem right now, but sometimes
we have to believe that things happen for a reason

(59:08):
Corey doesn't hesitate.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Everything's gonna work out.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Do you know how close Philadelphia and Pittsburgh actually are?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
And the answer is five hours and ten minutes away.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
It's three hundred and eight miles or four five hundred
and five miles. Yeah, I googled right at this point, That's.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
What I say. So that's where I came up with
five hours and ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Traffic must have been heavier when you look, because it
was four forty seven when I checked.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Oh yeah, I checked later. Okay, it's just a matter
of rearranging some schedules. Amy says it's going to be
harder than he realizes. Alan jumps in.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Corey's trying very hard.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Why do we have to Amy doesn't let him finish
because it's going to be harder than he realizes.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
And I think he needs to know that. He's a
great scene. Great scene, by the way, Like I love
I love that the parents are just as confused Corey,
you know, Like I just love all this conversation. This
is like classic good Boy meets World riding. Yeap. Yeah,
you don't make Amy awful, you make her totally reasonable,
but against Corey. You don't make Corey awful, but he's,
you know very much, Yeah, digging in his heels, and

(01:00:02):
you got Alan kind of stuck in the middle and
he flip flopped. It's great, just great, complicated.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Writing, really well done. Corey is confident. Tapanga and I
have talked about this. If we believe we can make
this work, why would you doubt us? She doesn't doubt
Corey's feelings for Tapanga. It's just that long distance relationships
are very difficult. You've lived around the corner from each
other all your lives, and now you won't. That's going
to make things painful. Cory asks his dad why she's
talking about pain and Hallan admits, because it may be

(01:00:29):
tougher than you think. Corey argues that he and Tapanga
are willing to make these sacrifices because they're going to
be together for the rest of their lives. Amy questions
that the rest of your lives you're sixteen years old.
Corey fires back, so are a couple of friends of
mine named Romeo and Juliet. And they turned out okay,
didn't they? And then the audience laughs first laugh in

(01:00:51):
a while, and Corey leaves is Amy and Allen give
each other a puzzled look, and then old timey music
plays as the screen fades, and then we're in the
Matthew's backyard. Corey is reading Romeo and Juliet and he scoffs,
won't work. Look at my man Romeo in love with
this Juliet. Nothing's keeping them apart. Phoene walks out in
a killer turtleneck and cardigan combo yep, and he sees

(01:01:15):
Corey is brushing up on his Shakespeare. Corey asks, you
know how you've always told us to take what we
learned in the classroom and apply it to everyday life.
Pheenie knows what he's referring to you and tapanga. Corey
says she's moving to Padua. Phoene corrects him, correct him, Pittsburgh,
she told me. He gives Corey a very sincere apology.
Corey explains, there are those who don't think we can
make it because we're just a couple of kids.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
But here's the proof.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Phoene notices the book whoa Boy, knowing Corey hasn't actually
finished the play yet. Corey asks, they're in love? What
could possibly go wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I'm sorry this pumped me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I just did We've done Romeo and Juliet ten times
in this thing, and no sixteen year old doesn't know
that Romeo and Juliet don't end in death.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
I mean, nobody doesn't know that, So I know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
I actually don't mind the one joke. If they had
just left it to that one that was in the
kitchen where he goes and it worked out for them,
didn't it and he walked out. If they had just
done that, I would have been like, he doesn't remember
that they died or something like. I could have got
that one joke. But the fact that he keeps going
back to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Like bother me this, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
I know, iron everybody knows that about Romeo and Juliet.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
And you can even have a joke about that, like
mister Matthews the end.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
I'm not thinking about the end, I mean something like
whatever you want to do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Phoene tells him to flip ahead a little and Corey
reads aloud the part where Juliette kills herself with Romeo's dagger.
He tries to make light of the situation. She said,
happy dagger. Corey continues reading about Juliette stabbing herself Shakespeare
what a hack. Phoene tries to comfort him. Over the
course of a person's life, he comes across a few
defining moments.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
This is one of yours.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Phoene tries to tell Corey it's an opportunity, but Corey
is conflicted. Pittsburgh's three hundred and five miles away. Maybe
he's just kidding himself, Phoenie admits, for as long as
I've known you, whenever you've been faced with adversity, you
have always risen to the occasion. No reason to believe
you won't again. Corey wonders, do you believe two sixteen
year olds can be in love?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Friar Feenie?

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Phoene smiles. He believes that he and miss Lawrence have
something that they won't allow themselves to lose. If they
listen to their heart's instructions, they won't go wrong. Corey
pats him on the back and pulls them into a
bit of an awkward hug. That was brilliant. My true
journey to Tapanga begins. He quickly runs away, leaving Phoene
surprised about tel.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
After him, but he does not. He does say aloud
to himself.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Yes, well there we are, so do we think Phoenie
phi is trying to say, like, is he's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Being supportive and vague, you know, yeah, which I think
is It's also is that really like Yeah, I don't know.
I'm just listening to the recap because it didn't bother
me at the time. But I'm listening to the recap
and I'm like, what is Corey thinking right now? Like
he's running away to do what, like to make the
relationship well he does.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
The next thing you see in the optical flip is saying,
let's get married, let's move in together, We're going to
be together, Let's let's give it all up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
He Peeni even just told me that this could work
out if I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I wanted to. We're getting married, Yeah, I think is
what they were going. But I am wondering what does
Phoenie think. Yeah, I think Feenie, No, I don't think.
I don't think Peoenie thinks about it either way.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
I think Feenie is very much a you're a good person,
follow your heart. It's always worked for you, and wherever
that ends up, that's the right that's the right choice. Yeah,
And I think that's why he's he doesn't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Devalue Corey's feelings, which is so awesome. Right, He's basically
validating Corey's feelings and saying like, which is exactly the
right thing to do with a teenager in this situation,
because you know, no one wants to be told you
don't actually feel love. You don't you know, which Amy
has imagine, But I imagine that's sort of the subtext of
what she you know, I mean, she says, you're sixteen

(01:04:48):
the rest of your lives. You know. She's basically saying
you don't know love, and you know, and and to
Phoenie's credit, he's he's just supportive of Corey, right, not
there's no practical advice in Phoenie in what Phoenie's saying. See,
I just to push back a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
I don't think Amy is saying so textually that you
don't know love. I think what she's saying is when
you get older, you realize that sometimes love is not enough,
and even though you are in love and it is
real love, there are real things, real world things like
logistical problems and things like that are going to affect
your relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Yeah. I know, I'm not saying that she's actually but
what Corey's hearing right, Yeah, my love isn't strong enough, right,
And that's the classic teenage interpretation of your mom minimizing
your relationship, just trying to give you a reality check. Definitely, definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
So then we get a real optical flip and we're
into Panga's room. Corey's on his knees holding to Panga,
begging or marry me. We'll buy a house, start a family,
and live in the same city. She tells him they
can't get married, but he insists we'll struggle at first,
but all couples struggle at first. He tries convincing her.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
That this is just describing season seven right exactly. Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
I also notice I noticed in a scene where Corey
and Eric are together were now almost the same height.
I know, and when he's on his knees hugging you,
it's not that much of a difference between you standing
in him on his knee. I mean, Ben has grown
clearly grown.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
By much taller.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Now, Yes, they can get part time jobs, cut back
on expenses, and find an abandoned home and an upscale neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
One thing he asks, no bugs.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Corey jokingly gives in okay, one bug, but nothing with teeth.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
He jumps up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Let's go see what your parents will kick in. She
tells him again they can't get married. Corey asks if
they can see each other every weekend, and she says yes.
Then asks can we write letters to each other every day?
He tells her yes, they hug, but Corey's apprehensive.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
What about phones?

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Why do we Why wouldn't they just talk every day?

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
They write letters every day? Yeah, they are, it's the phone.
It is kind of They're going very Connecticut with him.
I wrote letters all the time, you know, in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
The snail mail. I wrote notes that I could pass
back and forth.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
You actually wrote letters all the time. I'm obsessed with it. God, Yeah,
all the stop. I love you very much. Stop if
you know this. Stop. Like I was on my home
I wrote letters to all my guy friends too. I
was a big letter writer. Yeah really, And I think
it was just it was it was more normal back then,
you know, like that was still part of like I actually,

(01:07:23):
I mean I've always hated the telephone, so like I
didn't want to talk on the phone. It's like I
like being in person or I like writing, and that's
what I'm still like a big emailer. I don't call
people email.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Oh my god, Andrew Keagan and I would sit on
the phone for hours. Half the time we would not
even say anything. It'd be the forty five minutes of
complete silence and then just be like, you're still there, Yeah,
you're still here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
That was so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
As a matter of fact, still, every time I send
Andrew a text, he goes, yeah, he just calls me.
I go, oh god, now I hate the phone. So
now when he calls him, like, oh Andrew, what are
you doing to me? But he's still talk on the verse.
I've actually like, now I've been making an effort. I'm like,
I'm just going to call this person. Why am I
writing this long letter? Because I've realized, like that is nice.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Talking to the phone's great.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
I hit a threshold and eventually go all right then
and that's like I'm good mine.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Then about two minutes all right, then things all right.
We covered what she wanted to think. Okay, My favorite
is I had a friend was we just had the
habit of like, all right, I'm gonna let you go,
then you just want to go. This is like the
besteg all right, I'm gonna let you go. Then I
don't want to keep you any longer. Oh no, I'm fine.
I'm having a right time. Oh I'm fine.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
So Corey pulls away, and he reminds her it's a
new town, new school, new people. Pretty soon guys are
going to be lining up to ask you out with me.
Not there, Why shouldn't you accept? To Pang asks, what
about you? I know a million girls who would love
to go out with you. Corey surprised, really, because I
was thinking about ten. He tells her it was just
a little tension breaker. And to Panga asks where this
leaves them, because she leaves for Pittsburgh tomorrow night. Corey says, well,

(01:08:54):
it's a long walk to Pittsburgh. She nods an acceptance,
and then asks if she has to give.

Speaker 6 (01:08:58):
His jasa title of the show.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
He smiles and tells her to keep it. He puts
it on her and embraces her. It's yours like I am.
She squeezes him back. Good because I wouldn't have given
it back to you anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
And I got a little tearry. Really it worked. I
got a little teary. Oh in real life, I thought
on the show. In real life, I got a little
teary at work. There's a lot of stuff blowing around
in the air nowadays, I can't breathe myself. It's the
beginning of spring. So then we're in Chubby's.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Corey's chugging soda and it looks like he's surrounded by sad,
empty beers. Sean watches on and then asks, so, what
are you into Panga doing this weekend? Corey shocked. We
have been here for an hour and you have yet
to feel bad for me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
What's going on? Sean asks?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Would you say that I watch a lot of TV?
Corey nods more than anyone. I know why. Sean reveals,
I have seen this plot a thousand times. It always
ends up the same. The girlfriend never moves away. Corey
reiterates this girlfriend's mom got a job in Pittsburgh. Sewan, brush,
is it a side? Give me a challenge? Okay, Pek
is not going anywhere. Corey reminds him, this isn't TV.
Sean nods, trust.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Me, trust me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Also fake sipping, right the rider, fake sipping And if
you notice this where to pick up picking up the
glass not actually drinking, not actually drinking it just it
touches your lips and then comes back down. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
That's a riderism I've picked up a couple of times. Yeah,
you got to figure out how to do business, man,
it's so important. I did actually notice that. It's so weird,
like to think about if you drink twelve cokes, you
have the opposite of like being like beers, Like you're
not like depressed. He would be like, buzz, You're bouncing
off the walls and panicking. Yeah, no, not good. You know.

(01:10:41):
I like this scene. Yeah, but this is like the
fourth time in the season we've done this kind of
thing with the universe, the TV show this, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:10:49):
But yeah, I mean I don't know, it's our thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Cory asks, you're saying she can't move if we're really
supposed to be together. Sean is confident, not, if TV
is the true.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Mirror of our lives.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Cory asks, well, what about tomorrow night, she's coming over
to my house to say goodbye?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
What about that?

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Sean tells him it's not gonna happen. Corey wonders, then
what about R the doctor on E R really left?
Sean reminds him e R is real.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Great, amazing, Yeah, this whole Yeah, that's the fantastic just amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Corey's ecstatic, So you don't think she's really gonna leave,
do you? Sean responds, no, because you don't deserve that
kind of pain.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
What does that mean?

Speaker 7 (01:11:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
What does that mean? Just because he can't imagine he
does deserve that pain? Who does deserve that pain? Sean does.
If Corey were a bad person, he would deserve the pain.
It's just I don't understand your good friend doesn't deserve
to feel that bad.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
I think it's just that's I think it's more like,
I don't know. I think it's the idea of Sean
can't fathom that this is really happening, because it would
be the worst thing he could imagine happening to Corey.
And you know, if you really think about the worst

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thing that could ever happen to somebody, you know, I
think of like people I know who've lost a child,
and I think I don't I truly don't know how
you live after.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
You've lost one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Because Sean can't wrap his head around the idea that
this could really happen at the end of this episode,
because how could something bad like that happened to somebody?
I know, it never happens to you. You know that
it's too close to home when a tragedy happens that
you don't really imagine it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
So I don't think it's I didn't take it that.
I didn't It didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
I didn't take it like that like like only Corey
other people do deserve it. It's more like, oh, I
can't fathom that because because you don't deserve that. Yeah,
and I can't, So I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
I didn't hear it so pointedly it is because because
Corey Matthews the one and only person who doesn't deserve it.
It was more like, because you don't deserve that. And
I would say that to whoever I was facing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
The word deserve is it's just moralizing, Like I just
heard like, well, who does deserve that?

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
And it's I just didn't get it. I was like,
why there's a there's a version of like no one
deserves that kind of pain or no one you know,
but it's like you don't deserve that kind of pain.
It just felt very like I who does? Like it's
just and and what because I don't know? It felt
to me like the point is, you know, it's sort
of playing on that you're the main character of your show,

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and you haven't done anything wrong, therefore the universe won't
do this to you, which is just like that, that
feels like the structure that we're operating.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Under, right right, Yeah, it didn't didn't bother meybe, but
I took it a little differently than than you did.
So then we're in the Matthew's backyard. Corey and Sean
are eagerly awaiting to Panga's arrival. She arrives and says, hi,
and thank Sean for coming.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Sean gives her the most cheerful response, Really, sorry, you're moving.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Corey chimes in, I was thinking Saturday night, we can
go out to dinner, we could see a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
We could hold each other for five hours.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Tapega doesn't understand she came over to say goodbye. That's
already hard enough. Corey assures her, we don't need to
say goodbye because you're not going anywhere. You're not moving.
Tapega points out that her parents are in the car
waiting for her. They're leaving for Pittsburgh. Corey won't accept it.
She can't move because they're supposed to be together, like
they've always talked about Tapega asks him to just give
her a hug and kiss and say goodbye. He defiantly

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says no, so she does it for him. She says
goodbye and that she loves him, and then she walks away.
Corey starts to tear up, asking Sean what's happening. Sean's
certain it's not over yet. He points to the car.
It's gonna turn around any second now. They watch the
car take off, and Sean keeps making reassuring remarks, But
when the car doesn't turn around, Seawn wonders aloud, what
the hell kind of TV show is this?

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Gray line?

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Would it have ruined the scene for Tapanga to at
least have said bye?

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Sean?

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Just it was a very it was a very thrown
together goodbye, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
I also think it's very funny that Sean's like really
sorry to say about I could have kept that going
for another couple of lines, Like she's like, come on, Sean.
But it's also like I'm also just Corey refusing to
kiss her good Like what he's like punishing her for,
Like she's supposed to feel bad for not being completely
irrational about what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Like I think I feel like we're trying to more
play the finality of if he kisses her goodbye, it's real,
and then she and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
He's totally could have been funny, but he's being a
total like he's turning away. It's just like he's trying
to make her feel bad, Like I'm like, why not
just but there? I don't know there's a version of
this that's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
I didn't think that there. Yeah, I didn't think. I
didn't think I was trying to make her feel bad.
I think he was trying to. It's like, if I
don't open my eyes right now, the bad thing in
front of me is not actually there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
It's a very kid thing of kids. So I don't
give you this.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Last kiss For Corey, instead of feeling hurt for instead
of feeling put off by him, I felt for him.
I felt for someone who's like so in denial that
I'm just you know, I'm and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
And I know people.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Wesley Staples is one of those people terrible goodbyes, doesn't
like goodbyes, won't say goodbye, doesn't want to give you
the hug at the end of Girl Meets World to say, Gosh, Wesley,
I can't, We'll just leave it's just gone, just disappears,
and and you were always In some ways it can
feel like, wow, he must not care, But the truth
is he cares so much that physically can't do it.

(01:16:26):
And so I kind of I felt for Corey in
this that instead of feeling like, oh, what a child,
I was like, man, that that's that's how I know.
It's really this is really hard for him that he's
just Refu's so in denial he can't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I don't think he was doing it too to pegging. Yeah,
I agree, Yeah, I guess I wish that the Sean
denial was funny with like it starts in the scene.
I wish that it stayed that light. And I wish
actually hearing you describe like him closing his eyes and
saying no, no, no, it's not happy, Like there's a
funny there's a I think there's a way to make
Corey's you know, denial funny and like active instead of

(01:17:01):
sort of like intense and like negative and like pissed off.
It was just like I was like, oh, dude, like
you know, and I didn't understand why Tapanga doesn't push
him more like Tapanga should be like hey, like it's not. Actually,
you know something, because this is about her emotions too.
You know, it's like her she's leaving, like her whole
life is getting ruined, and I don't know, like and

(01:17:24):
I think it could have been funny that she's trying
to convince him of the reality and he's trying to
convince her of his reality. Like that's that could even funny.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Well, we time laps a little still in the Matthew's backyard.
It's gotten darker, but Corey and Sewn are still waiting
for their perfect TV show. Ending, Corey asks his best friend,
you know that pain everyone keeps talking about? I think
I'm starting to feel it. And then the screen fades
to black and we're in the tag. Corey is still
standing outside in the backyard, now all alone, staring at
the street. Eric walks up, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Corey?

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Muster's out of not much. Eric sniff's around and wonders,
it smells good out there. It smells good out here?
What is that trees? And again I thought that was
a very funny line.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
I remember that line. Actually, that's the one thing I did. Oh,
that's right, this is the tree. It's one of your
funniest lines. It's so well trees. It's also a very
will thing to say. I know, you know, that's like
Will's humor in real life, too understated and sort of

(01:18:23):
like so funny, ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Eric tells him that's all right, you'll say goodbye the
next time you say hello.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
He chuckles.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Pittsburgh's not that far. I made the drive last night.
Cory didn't realize Eric actually went. Eric assures him, Oh, yeah,
drove there and met a couple of girls. Told them
I drove all the way from Philly.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
They called me a moron, and here I am, Here
I am.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Eric tells his brother, I was gonna go out and
get pizza from little Tony's, rent some movies.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
You want to go?

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Corey tells him no thanks, He wants to stay right
where he is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Where the hell is little Tony? Where are we ever?
A little Tony's?

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Eric admits, even though he's his big brother, he doesn't
know how to protect him from this. Cory simply asks,
could you just stay here with me? Eric responds, yeah,
I'm not going anywhere, and I got Tierri again. In
real life?

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
What what? What was? Didn't we have a very famous
pizza place that we called when Corey and I were
doing the betting episode, we were getting I feel like
we had a place that we named multiple times in
season two. I remember, no, there's there was a place
where we're going to order pizza from. And then I
think it's also like another It's like that we we

(01:19:30):
talked about this on the podcast. There's like one name
and it's not Tony, but it's like this person obviously
owned the pizza place and the car auto repair shoper.
It was like, it's a Marcos. Yeah, there's something, but
it's a missed opportunity to hear that to have a
call back to that pizza place.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Might Melissa, You're you're the voted in member of the audience,
Please Melissa us know. Eric responds, Yeah, I'm not going anywhere. Okay,
I got here again. He folds his arms and stares
at the street with Corey. As to be continued appears
at the bottom of the screen, and then our next episode,
Season four, episode seventeen, A Long Walk to Pittsburgh, Part two,
will originally air on February fourteenth, nineteen ninety seven, and

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we will be.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Covering that one next Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
I can't believe we're already at this point in season four.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Yeah, wait, what episode is it? Seventeen? Yeah? What do
we do? Twenty two? Twenty two? I think just flying
right by. This is a really good season. It's so passed,
it's amazing. Yes, it's a great season. Great season. Yeah,
we were working really hard and I had no idea,
no this. All I cared about was my own life

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at this time, like Corey. That's the point, that's the
whole point.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
That's why it's always about Corey, because that's what you
do when you're sixteen, You care about yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
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