TGI – Episode 503 “It’s Not You… It’s Me”

We continue our ride through season 5 with flashbacks, dated jokes, and a new haircut for Eric!

It’s time to take a trip to the infamous llama pen, where history is rewritten and youth is recaptured - even if Cory could’ve just walked right back to Topanga. Rider shares some memories from filming this episode, which can only be described as a “mess.”
 
The Rolf rolls on, but Will has thoughts on what to look forward to, all on a new Pod Meets World!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Well, you will appreciate this very much. Adler decided he's
done with his toddler conversion bed.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
He has been. He is a very delayed. Like a
lot of people.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
They drop their net, kids, drop their naps early, they're
ready to get out of their cribs. I was pretty
much like, crib till college. He'll let me because I
just liked him being in a crib and he liked
it too, And it wasn't until he was like almost
four that he then said, well, I don't want all
four sides of these.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I want to be able to get in and out.
And I was like, okay.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
So then I put the conversion thing so that he
could get in and out on one side. And then
the night I put it on, he was like, I
liked my crib, let's put it back. And I was like, no,
we can't do that. It's now I can't go back
now this toddler bed. So you're gonna have to get
used to it. And he did get used to it,
and now he's officially decided no more, this is a
baby bed.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I want a big boy.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Bed, batman bed, Batman bed, batman bed. Are you gonna
get him a batman bed.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
He has a batmobile bed.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yes, oh, get one.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
You know, I don't know if they make him in
King's size, I.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Would, I might have to have it made, but it
would be the greatest thing ever.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
It is really cool. It's really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
And I showed him a picture of it and he
was like, yes, I want that, and I was like, okay,
So we got it for him for his birthday. His
birthday is coming up. And because we have two boys,
writer will be able to relate to this. Literally, everything
Adler does, Keaton wants to do or wants for himself.

(01:56):
And the good news is they actually are very different.
For example, small example, but Addler's favorite color is blue,
Keaton's favorite color is green.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
And they don't try to have to be the same.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
That with that, when we go to a Leghos store
and we say, you guys can pick out a lego thing,
Keaton will pick out one and Addler will pick out
a different one, and I'll look at both of them
and I'll say, all right, this is gonna be Adler's
and this is gonna be Keaton's and they both are
like yeah. And then we get home and we build
Adlers and we build Keaton's and Keaton goes, I love it.

(02:26):
I want that one, of course, and he points at
others and we're like, okay, but remember we had this
whole conversation. Anyway, so we bought two Batman beds.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Because already no exactly what's gonna happen. I'm gonna get ahead.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
We have two batman and two Batman's.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
And I know what's gonna happen because and also it
worked out well because literally the week before we bought
Adler's Batman bed, Keaton climbed out of his crib for
the first time and just walked into the living room
and I was like, okay, so you've outgrown your crib.
Now you need a big boy bed. Anyway, so we
are we're gonna have two Batman that room.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
They do not.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
They have two separate rooms right next to each other
and caves, two different caves. We are talking about their
closets back up to each other. So we're talking about
putting in a secret door that's a and then they
can go back and forth between each other's rooms.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
So cool.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
They don't know that. They don't listen to this podcast.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Is make it look like something else, like a bookcase
or something.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
It's going to be a bookcase, because right now, what's
there on the other side of that is a bookcase,
a free standing bookcase. So we will just take that
out build in a bookcase that then spins into the Okay, anyway,
I'm saying all of this to say about a month
or two ago, Adler was very into Sonic, very into Sonic,

(03:53):
and he kept saying he kept talking about this birthday
party he wanted to have. And I am of the
mindset that children do not need birthday parties every year.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Like celebrate some of the bigger ones, but we don't.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Need to do a big birthday party every year. And
we had a birthday party for Adler last year, but
he had so much fun at it he hasn't been
able to stop talking about it basically since last year.
Next year, for my birthday, I want to do this.
So sure enough, a couple of months ago, he's like,
for my birthday party, I want to have a Sonic
birthday party. And I said, well, I don't think we're
going to have a birthday party. What what do you

(04:24):
mean I want to? I said, well, what if we
go somewhere if what if we do like in a
family trip. No, I want a birthday party. I want
all my friends to be at my house. And I said, okay,
I guess we're doing a birthday party. So he said
he wanted it to be Sonic themed. Great, I go
all out, Sonic themed birthday.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Okay, probably the other day.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
You just cannot rely on them. No, ut, all your eggs.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Well, where we go somewhere and somebody goes, so you're
having a birthday party next week?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
He goes, yeah, it's a Batman birthday.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
Or the Sonic Bounty House.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Character plates on the character literally like what.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
Frantically calling these actors, please, please, do you have a
Batman out there?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I go, it's not. It's not a Batman birthday. Yes
it is. No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
It's it's a Sonic birthday. I don't want a sonic
birthday party. Well you're gonna have one.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
I don't know what to tell you know.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
You know what you can do though, That's kind of amazing,
is you now disinvite everybody. Nobody's allowed. He has to
stay brooding by himself in his room. That's a Batman birthday.
So you get to cancel everything you were gonna do.
You're a little rich guy exactly who just has to
sit in a darkened room by himself and think about

(05:46):
the night that the movies. I mean, come on, brilliant Batman,
you just saved yourself so much money.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, now you cannot rely.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
I mean, like, so I make indye because he always
wants a plan, and this is I used to do
the same thing when I was a kid, plan his Halloween,
like the second halloween's over planning the next Halloween. Correct,
I'm like, let's let's actually keep a list and let's
keep calling. So we just keep a list of like
what he wants to be for Halloween because it keeps
changing and you can't.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
You know, I'm gonna have Adler sign a contract next
time I sign right here on the don your deposit.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
We were signing contracts at that age with the with
two lawyer parents.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I no doubt.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
But this all leads to one thing I do want
to talk about because I've just had a brilliant idea.
So I'm going to trademarket before we even start, because
you said something that's stuck with me and is now
hurting my heart that there is no king size Batman bed.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Did you look it up.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
You still know I'm just silly about right. Well, here's
the thing.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
There's a lot of things from my childhood I wish
I still had that were now adult sized. So what
about a company that makes things you had when you
were a kid like adult size?

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Like I would love.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
My favorite kind of tricycle thing growing up was called
a green machine.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
It was badass.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
It had two wheels in the back, a big one
in the front, and these two joysticks where if you
cranked them the thing would spin around. I want that now.
So how like, what kind of company can we make?

Speaker 5 (07:08):
I can make it more opposite than you like, I
am like already looking forward to just old man stuff.
Old man I want all grown up stuff, like the
idea of like anything being childish or childlike.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Like, I know, no interest in it. I know it's
so I absolutely if you I want to.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
I want to run like nobody's watching. I want to
be in my green machine. I want to do all
that kind of stuff. Absolutely. See, I went so when
One of the reasons I wanted to lose weight when
I was heavier is because bounce houses some of them.
It's a two hundred pound limit, And I was like,
I'm not going to be the kid who breaks the
bounce house.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
So I got to get some my jog on.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
I got down to his Felt one seventy for the
bounce house, so I would get you a hot wheels
and you'd be gearing up for real bike race.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Get you in shape.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
My my father to this day free Christmas in our stockings.
He mails them out to us. Now if we don't
live because we don't live there anymore, every single Christmas,
we still get one hot wheels each, my brother's and
I and my nephew's.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
Okay, I said hot wheels, I meant big wheels. Do
you remember the Yeah, like a little on the ground,
low things.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
That's what I meant.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Have you you've heard shape?

Speaker 1 (08:20):
You've heard My Mom's favorite story about me as a
kid is that I somehow fell off of my big wheels.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
To the ground.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Correct. But here's what happened.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
It's a terrible story, and I have a picture to
go with it. I was riding my big wheel from
my best friend Jessica's house. Jessica lived around a curve,
and as I was peddling in the street, a car
came flying around the corner facing me, and I had
to whip my my steering wheel the other direction, and
I flew off of it and skid on my face

(08:55):
on the asphalt.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
I like to kill kids outside them inside and give
them an iPad, more social media and the phone, and
then they're fine.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
You see, my face was all there was no skin
on my face, and my my mom somehow.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
And you've been horribly just figured that. This explains so much.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
So I had a bunch of scabs all over my
face and I kept picking at them, and my mom was.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Like, your coal face is gonna scar.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
If you don't, if you don't stop picking, and I do.
I have one scar here under my nose that I
call my snot scar. And because it looks like it's
snot dripping out of my nose, it's not. It's just
a scar from a spot that I couldn't stop picking.
Every time, you're going to notice it. Absolutely, you're going
to notice my snot scar. Anyway, it's my mom's favorite
stories because pretty much immediately my mom, god lover, was
not the most. My mom was a big on, like

(09:53):
you're fine, You're fine. So I came sobbing to my
mom's house with no skin on my face, and she's.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Like, you're fine, You're fine. Who falls off a big
quel exactly.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
That's it's like impossible to do well.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I found a way. I am very clumsy.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
That's right. We're gonna get We're gonna We're gonna get
adult sized toys.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
They do make adult sized diapers.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
That's happy for both you and writer people. Will wants
toddlerhood and writer wants old man and we got it
with the happy pod meets adult diapers.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
I'm Daniel Fishall, I'm Writer Strong, and I'm Will Fordell.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
So welcome to today's episode. We are recapping season five,
episode three. It's not You, It's Me. It originally aired
October seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven. The synopsis Sean suspects that
his friendship with Corey is ending when he finds out
that Corey applied to Stanford, a school Sean could never
get into. Meanwhile, and Jack look for an extension on

(11:01):
their first college paper. It was directed by Alan Myerson.
It was written by Mark Blutman and Howard bust Gang.
And before I jump into the guest stars, who wants
to start with their opinions on the episode I'll go I.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Thought it was. I thought it was.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
It was by far the best episode of season five,
and like felt like a great return to just comedy
and like, oh cool, hijake story fun.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
I thought it was fun.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
It was good.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Okay, well I don't agree. I hate this episode.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
I hate I was not a.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Fan of this episode either. Yeah, here's the thing, and
I'll speak just for myself. Eric is this is it?
Eric is now completely different from the time we ended
in season four to season five. He's a completely different character.
Something happened in between the two seasons where I came
back and I'm just playing him entirely different, and I
preferred how he used to be.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah, I think I think it's you know they this
is the episode where they discovered the Jack Eric relationship.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
At the first episode of season five. I'm just I'm
pushing the comedy. I'm doing more Jim Carrey like lilty stuff,
and the regular Eric just being Eric is now I
think completely and totally gone.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
It's like you're cut loose from the family, You're on
your own, and they just the character is a drift
and I'm.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Going for comedy, like I'm always going for comedy, but
I would think a lot of people love this Eric, right,
is something part of it. I get that.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
It's I was wondering if I was going to be
able to if the change was going to be gradual,
or I was going to go, oh, I changed the character,
and I can now say I changed the character.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Well, they It's also the writing, right, I mean, Season
four was your arc. It was about you getting into college.
It was it has stakes, it had emotions, and now
it seems like they're like, oh, put them with put
them with Matt Lawrence and you'm a straight guy and he's.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
But I'm still pushing it much more wacky. And I hadn't.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I hadn't thought about it at all until you just
said that. But do you do you remember.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Was there any part of you that felt a little nervous,
not about that you were going to get fired, because
at this point now I think they'd already talked to
you about spinoffs and all kinds of stuff. But do
you think there was a part of you that felt
a little intimidated as an actor that they brought in
Matt And you're not really sure, like not that Matt
was going to be your your comedy rival, but just

(13:20):
somehow not sure how you were going to fit into
the show now with this new dynamic.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
No, no, no, I think I think I was.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I was secure in my what what it was was,
I was getting laughs all the time, and so when
you get laughs all the time, you push it even more,
I think, and I was, so I was like pushing
that boundary more of the comedy, where you know, I,
I'm trying to make everything a.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Job, everything everything funny.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
It was like not a single line without a little
like a little wilt or a little hey, like I'm
trying to I'm trying to make everything comedic, whereas before
I picked my moments and Eric at times was quiet
and he was, you know, not always.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
On, and it's just now Eric is And I think
this is like with ryders Angst, which thankfully went away
in this episode a little bit. And I get that.
To me, this was the last episode we saw. Was
one of my least favorite episodes of the entire series.
This one I did not like, but at least it
was funny. Yeah, That's how I look at it was.

(14:24):
I thought some of it was again, I thought some
of the stuff they were pushing it too much. None
of it made any sense, like especially in the beginning,
which we'll get into, where it just changed in one
line and everything was very strange. But I'm still not
recovered from my fifth season drop shock. I didn't think
I had it, which I think made it worse. So
now that I'm watching, I'm it once again feels like

(14:44):
a different joke to me. I'm hoping that season four
was not the pinnacle.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Now don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I just don't know what version of Sean this is.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
I don't get anything.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
I was like, well, this is all the stuff we've
complained about Corey. Now it's just Sean all of a sudden,
all about me and big and and and I don't know.
I just I felt like, I mean truly, I wrote
in the notes, is this the episode where we've jumped
the shark?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Is this it?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Like?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I I didn't find one. I didn't laugh once.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Every time I had to pause the show, I went, oh, God,
make it end.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
It was one for me.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
It was just one supposed joke that I don't find
funny through the entire episode, with no real escalation. You
guys write and like basically the first scene were like,
then let's go make other friends and then that's all
that happens for the rest of the episode is exactly that.
And yet it's like and then the the over dramatic

(15:46):
the thing we found that we loved in the episode
with Corey and Sean.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Bad version of it because there's no earnestness.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
And I agree the first one was so they were
it was real and you could feel it and it
made it sweet. This is being played for comedy with
a tinge of homophobia or possibly just toxic masculinity, one
of the two.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm not sure. And I just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
I just I know I'm gonna I don't, I don't,
I'm you know, I say it all the time, like
I'm not trying to be woke police for a show
that happened in the nineties. But I know that we
are a better show than this episode. Like we're a
way better show than what we've seen so far in
season five. Also, I would love to try and have
Alan Myerson come on the show. I did not find

(16:41):
this to be a well directed episode at all.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
That he's not going to come on.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
The children the flashback scene, which is probably the it's awful.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
I mean, that's the weakness. I mean, to me, I
feel like so much of the comedy could have been
saved by changing that flat because the flashback is so bad,
and you know, it's bad in all the ways that
you know, rewrites the history and all the stuff that I'm.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Sure a noise. But there's a version. I think.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
I actually think that this script is not horrible. I
think the script is kind of funny. I do think
that the actual production is not not great and and
you know, but I think as a romp, as like
a it is pretty funny at times.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
And like I agree, it's just want to go and over.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
But you know, I was like, oh, if you liked
an affair to forget, I can see why they were like, well,
let's just do that again.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
And like I said, it felt like a return to.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
Relationships we already kind of know Corey and Sean and
Topanga Eric being you know, trying to recreate a feenie situation.
Like I don't know, I was like, yeah, this is riffing.
At least, this felt like this felt like the first season.
This felt like the first episode where we're like, oh,
I'm back in boying me. It's world at least, and
so you know, I thought it was fine. I would like,
I really think it's weak. It's it's so weakened by

(17:58):
that flashback.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
It's flashback is so bad, so awful.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
It's painful.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
And when you could see on the page right like
if you read that, you'd be like, oh my god,
it's gonna be this funny with the kids and they're
going to be a little Sean and a little Corey.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
And then it's just not good. It's like you should
have played those roles. Yes, that's exactly what I said.
I was like, play you know, they're going, oh my god.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
If they had just done the flashback and then we
were dressed as little kids and like doing art, it
would or go imagine animated, like we just go like
way over the top, or make it a musical, like
just make it so absurd that the fantasy of like
how they are envisioning their past could have been hysterical.
And instead it's like the whole episode grinds to a halt.
You're like watching you know, kid actors like stiltedly like

(18:43):
walking through it.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
It's so painful.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Well.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Guest starring Paul Gleeson as Dean Borak. This is a
big stunt casting for the show, as Paul was a
very well known actor in the eighties and nineties, despite
it making very little sense in continuity, he's the Dean
of the Cool Yes it was, and she yeap, but
this is a throwback to his most famous role as

(19:09):
the assistant principal and disciplinarian Richard Vernon watching over detention
in The Breakfast Club. He was also seen in other
movies like Trading Places, Die Hard and Not Another Teen Movie,
and he made appearances on both Friends and Seinfeldt. In
two thousand and six, he sadly passed of lung cancer
that he is thought to have contracted from asbestos exposure

(19:29):
on building sites working for his father as a teenager.
He was only sixty seven years old. And then we
have Seth Miller as Lionel. It's very difficult to get
his true credits, as it seems like IMDb now has
him combined with another Seth Miller who was a production
assistant in the early nineties, So unless Seth was some
sort of doogie houser on movie sets, they're all confused.

(19:53):
And then Corey pad Knows as a young Corey Matthews.
This was the aptly named Corey's first job at and
he would go on to voice Linus in a few
Charlie Brown movies and work on some other voiceover jobs,
like playing pork Chop and Batman Gotham Night alongside my
co host here Will for.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Dell, Yes, that's so cool.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
And then Surprise, and then Glen Bob Sweet as young
Sean Hunter. He'd also play a hobo on Third Rock
from the Sun in nineteen ninety seven, but he has
not worked since.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Wait a second, Wait a minute, So this show shot
in nineteen ninety seven. Right, our show, so he played
a childhood child.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Okay, right? Interesting.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Rosario grew as a young Tepanga Lawrence. This was also
her first gig. She would later appear on Baywatch, Power Rangers,
Lost Galaxy, and nine episodes of Providence, but has not
acted since the early aughts. And then we have Matt
Kirkwood as Chubby, a boy meets world stand in Favorite
appears he was recently technically he's Chubby.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yeah, he's just in the credits to Chubby. Yeah, that's
so interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Chubby.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
I didn't know that. He assumed he was like you know,
counter guy or whatever. That's he's chubby.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
He was recently seen in the movie King Richard and
on the TV show The Lincoln Lawyer.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
I'm sorry, I'm just gonna have Danielle in my head
all excitedly going, it's our third chubby.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
It's our thirdy.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Look this morning. Do another chubby, another chubby. That's our
third chubby. Look at us.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Thank you writer.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Do you remember meeting the kids? I remember meeting the kids.
I also remember the hype around casting the.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Kids such a big thing. Yeah, yeah, No, I don't
think I was there when they actually shot it, because
I don't. I wasn't.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
I remember meeting the kids and and even then kind
of being like, but they don't really.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Look like can I get the Yeah?

Speaker 5 (21:58):
And that's like, I mean, it could have even if
you use the same cast, like our little outfits could
have been more over the top, you know, like if
it like you had so much opportunity to be like
obviously the leather jacket is the only thing I can
but like, what does like little Topanga have Little Corey.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Like I don't know what, but it could have been
so funny.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Should have gone directly from the scene you were If
you have to use the little kids, it should have
gone directly from the scene and chubbies to that scene
and they're wearing exactly little versions of what you're wearing.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Per Yes, that's the easy joke, so funny. Yes, oh god,
there's so many opportunities missed. Yeah, I mean, like you
look at the Tapanga You're like, what what is she
doesn't look like you at all? And then it's like,
what is she?

Speaker 4 (22:41):
What is her character? What is you know?

Speaker 3 (22:42):
I don't hit any time for Topanga that age, by
the way, Yeah, it could have been.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
It just could have been all these reference I mean
you think about like in the first season when we
dressed up like each other for that, you know, when
Mikus when we're all like, yeah, you could have done
like that, like where we're all little over the top
versions and it could have been so cute and funny
and just a visual gag and we're out back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Well, jumping into our recap, we start in Phoene's classroom.
Phoene is finishing up a lecture and that mister Hunter
is how babies are made because he teaches health too.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
He now teaches health class.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
As the bell rings Phoene alerts the entire class that
next Friday is college recruitment Day. Representatives from USC, NYU,
and Rutgers will be attending, and Phoene tells Corey his
interview with Stanford has been rescheduled from three to three thirty. Now, this,
of course is a nod to the fact that Ben
went to Stanford.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
But Corey at one point got a thirteen on a test,
is lucky to get a bee, has no extracurriculars. But
he's like, I'm.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Going to Stanford. It was again, was just kind of right.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
I no, really, it's also like so far, I mean,
I don't know. Yeah, if you're going to go to
Stanford from the East Coast, you hire like, you know,
you have to have the best grades and be wanting
to go there for very good reason to go all
the way to the world.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
It's such a bizarre It's yeh, I mean.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
He's like a film guy, so what is it? What
like what you'd think he'd want to go to NYU.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Or journalism or something.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
But yeah, it was just it was just to put
it in there because Ben's.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Might the Stanford well, he wasn't going there yet. His
brother had already been there, That's why. But I'm sure
that's where he wanted to do.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
That's where he wanted to go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, I mean in ninety seven, Ben was probably already
doing the sas he was in a senior year.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
He was going he was just starting his senior year.
I was already starting college because I was a year ahead.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, and he wasn't going to be a towny. He
was going to take the SATs and do it right
for sure.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Sean is alarmed Stanford. What's that all about?

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Where he plays it off, It's just an interview, it's
nothing from nothing. And then as they entered the hallway,
Sean reminds Corey that he made a promise when they
were little kids that they would go to the same college.
And you also told me that if I graduated high school,
you'd take me to Vermont to watch the leaves change.
And I think that's a funny line, and I love
the I love the the conceit of it that when

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you guys were kids, you made this promise to each
other and you remember it, but you're as Sean's right
off the bat escalation of this situation, and then it
stays for both of you. You guys both have to
stay at that same place. This whole episode.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
It's super interesting because I remember all of this, Like
I remember the run through and it was a disaster,
our first run through, yep, and this and it's so
funny because we are we are and I could see it.
We are responding to the notes and it was a
shouting match. It was being yelled at and told that

(25:41):
we were not playing funny enough and that I mean,
it was like this huge, big showdown of like, you
guys don't get farce, you don't understand comedy, and you
have to like, why would you ever take this seriously?
Why would you ever play this for real? This is
all just over the top ridiculousness. This whole episode is

(26:02):
a forest play it as a joke, and so that's
what we're doing. And I remember being yelled at. I
remember feeling awful, like I remember just sitting there like
Ben and I like, you know, being dressed down after
a run through, and so I can I mean, that's
all I can see is just you know, I was
watching it going it's not as bad as you know,
because in my mind, this was an episode that was

(26:22):
a complete failure. But what I was remembering was the
failure of the run through, which, of course you know
in retrospect, a failure meant that Michael wasn't happy, and
he let us know and made a big show out
of how bad we were doing. And so this is
the US responding to that. And yeah, I clearly there's
no stakes. There's no actual stakes in the episode, So

(26:43):
all of it's just us trying to crank up the
conflict and crank up the comedy, and so it ends
up being very, yeah, heightened. It's like a super over
the top, ridiculous episode. I didn't mind it, like, I
didn't mind it as much as you did. But it's
interesting that you picked up on that, you know that
that's and you see it as a weakness because I mean,
obviously we had played it probably much more earnestly and

(27:04):
had moments that were you know, probably in my mind
similar to an affair to forget, in the sense of, like,
you know, we were going to go to Vermontain, you know,
like just playing it for like this the reality of
it and let it build. And that was that was
a yell of us.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
It's one note, and it's a loud note. Yeah, that's
that's what I felt like, I said, And I.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Think, what a one, what a real I mean, I'm
going through it with out their graduating preschool eler the
other night just I don't want to go to kindergarten.
I want to stay with all my friends. I don't
want to go to a new school. What of course
high school students feel this way. What am I gonna do?
How are my friendships going to survive? This is my
best friend. I've never been to a place. And do

(27:46):
I want you to actually go to the best school
you can get into? Or selfishly? Do I want us
to try to go to the same school and having
those conversations and actually having by the way, find places
for comedy where you're pretending to not actually be hurt
and find I'm I just would have loved for a
toe in reality, just like just a little foot planted.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
You know now that you're now that we're talking about it,
I really do think that that is that it's it's
pure homophobia, because if it was played for reality, then
you run the risk that Sean and Corey are actually
get maybe kind of in love with each other and
gay or like and so I think they they just

(28:29):
pushed us to be like no, no, no, let's just make
a complete joke out of this so that from the
moment it starts there's never any doubt. So then you
can play Corey as gay as possible, Sean as gay
as possible, and it's never going to be threatening like actually,
you know, and you could even make the like does
he like kissing to Panga jokes, but it's so obvious

(28:51):
like the audience, you know, it's like there's like there's
this push to make sure it's like, well, this is
so ridiculous, right, let's just make it all a big
like telegraph to the audience that it's a complete joke.
And you know that they didn't have that problem in
an Affair to forget because it was literally about about
a woman. A woman that was the impetus for the
where in this they have to push so hard because

(29:12):
you know, I think they were afraid that it would
be you know, and it's like why not, like why
not make that the part of the joke. Do like
what if they are actually kind of maybe in love
with each other and they need to deal with that
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
But you can't laugh at that.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
You know in the nineties, they could also just be
and I don't want to say just as if I'm
minimizing toxic masculinity. But this idea that well, two platonic
friends can't care about each other enough in order to
make it sure my best friend can move across the country,
what do I care.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I'm still going to be I still so I talked
to him like.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
There could still be this this element of it that
isn't but yeah, the mix, I don't know, it's it's
one of the two that You're right. That's probably exactly
the reason they had to take it so over the
top to make sure there wasn't any questions about the
sense inscitivity of two boys who are platonically in love
with each other and what that looks like. Nobody wanted

(30:07):
to actually just have that.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
No, I mean, the word bromance didn't exist yet, right,
like the idea this was. They had to make it
an over the top joke to like make it palatable
to straight America, you know, and to heteronormativity. Like it's
just the only way that they could sort of make
it work, because yeah, otherwise, I don't know, it's it's

(30:30):
a bummer because I think the script is actually kind
of funny. I think there is a version of this
where there's nuance and where it builds. You know, we
saw that version where there's nuance. We saw it was
an affair to forget.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
We saw it was funny.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
If this was like a real like hurt fight, and
then the next scene Sean's with all his leather jacket
guy friends, and that's funny, like if it builds to
more and more like oh my god, they're acting like,
you know, crazy people, but we're crazy from the get go.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, and how maybe Sean been like whoa Stanford and
Corey like yeah, you know, it's no big deal.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
No, no, I'm not saying it's a big deal. That's
just that's that's so exciting all the way across the country. Cool.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, that's cool. And then we see Sean. Yeah, and
then you have this new you know, like that cut
real place.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
It's also but with the flashback, with the flashback of
the kids, had they decided to play it like you
reverted back to being two little kids as opposed to
two spurn lovers, it would have been a completely different thing.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
And you still.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
Like we just suddenly reduced a five year old your slinky.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
This is my slinky.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
I mean if you go there, you side of the sandbox,
and I clearly right, and then.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Then you can play it as big as you want,
because now you're too toddlers as opposed to this kind
of heightened caricature of lovers that are spur And yeah
it was weird.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
I think yeah, they were just they were obsessed with
that one joke and it just became and it just hit.
It's like a sketch, you know what I mean, This
is like a one scene sketch stretched into the whole
episod yes, yea, and it's yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Corey nods right, Vermont October, write it down. Sean, now
is in near hysterics, already refuses to drop the conversation.
Corey assures him it's just one of the many schools
he's applying to. There's also Wisconsin Pen. Sean dramatically gasps,
Wisconsin Pen.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
We never discussed those.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Corey insists they don't need to go to a school
from his list. They can go to a school from
Shawn's list. But Sean has had enough of this. I
don't need a list because my best friend Corey wouldn't
apply to a school that I couldn't get into. Corey whimpers,
your list makes me feel bad. He doesn't know what
his plans are yet. Sean slams his locker. Interesting your
plans not our plans.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Corey tells him not to take that tone with him,
but Sean says Corey should just leave for Stanford right now.
That way, he'll have plenty of time to start making
new college friends. Corey doesn't want new friends, but Sean
says he'll start making them too. Corey's visibly upset. Sean
macks Corey, what did you think that I was going
to always be here forever?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Is that what you thought? Well, I'm not. Sean storms off,
and Corey yells after him, what about Vermont? I put
down a deposit?

Speaker 1 (33:17):
There we are, We're You've already stormed off told him
to go to Stanford make new friends. You're going to
make new friends. It's the first scene, and that's and
that's where, and then that's all that happens for the
rest of the episode.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Is exactly that we.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Were fed line readings.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
I remember being I'm sure, like, no, why would.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
You ever say this real? This is a joke. Just
scream at you're yelling, you.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Know, I just remember being like, yeah, okay, and you
can feel we're just yell yeah, continued, you can tell.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Crank it up to ten to eleven.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, crazy right back.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
It gets worse because then they get into the classroom, right,
and then Sean's completely different than he just was in
the hallway.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Well, yeah, we're right now, we're in the school hallway.
There's a lot of background actors in the school. Corey
cautiously walks up to Sean, proposing that they should talk,
and Sean calmly says, no, this conversation, their conversation this
morning was very helpful. And then just on the turn
of a dime, he becomes completely unhinged. Their relationship has
been nothing more than a lie. Sean screams so loud

(34:20):
that everyone in the hallway stops to stare. Corey says,
move along, we're rehearsing a play lette. Corey calls Sean dramatic,
to which Seawan admits perhaps a little. Then he excuses
himself so he can go look out the window. He
paid a skywriter a lot of money to write Corey,
I hate.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
You, and now this is a new scene.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, there was a commercial break in between.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
These two, right, so I mean more jokes.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
It's more the same scene.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
And then when you say you paid a skywriter to
write Corey, I hate you in the Clouds. This gets
a mixed reaction from the audience, who isn't sure that
this is indeed funny, and they kind of go oh, there's.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
A moment of the prisoners were confused.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
They're like, oh, I don't want Sean to hate Cory.
That's weird.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Unlike playlet, which got a huge.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Laugh, very funny playlet, it was very yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
So Sean storms away, and as Corey calls after him
to Penga walks up. She asks if he and Sean
are doing okay, and Corey assures her they're fine. Sean
just spent a lot of money on him and he
needs to vent. As they enter Phoene's class, Corey explains
that the beauty of his relationship with Sean is that
it is rock solid, and then he goes to sit
in his usual desk seat, but he shrieks when he

(35:35):
realizes somebody's already in it. Corey asks the mystery boy
who he is, and Sean answers for him. His name's Andy,
he's my new Corey nervously finishes the thought best friend.
Sean corrects him. Friend, we said we were going to
go out and meet new people, Corey wines, I'm not
making you happy. Sean searches for the right words. It's
not you, it's me, And right now I just need

(35:57):
my space runs.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Really, we're riffing on this, like because we already had
the fake Eric too, so our writers are really into
this idea of like taking our characters and sort of
replacing us or mocking us, you know, And I know
that we do a lot.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
I guess we do a lot of this from now
on because we.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Also wanted us to know we were still replaceable season five.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
You feel a little comfortable now we could replace you.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Watch It's just something that happens on all shows that
you know, once you've established characters, they get bigger, you know,
and they're allowed to be like, yeah, it's pretty normal.
I think we really just what was fun about boy
Mean's World and seasons two and three and four is
that we were finding those characters and discovering those characters.

(36:41):
And it feels like season five is just starting with
them locked in. So now let's just those characters up
and have them play it out. And we're not changing,
we're not evolving, we're not like adjusting. It's just now
we're riffing. We're just riffing on the actors and the characters.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
And yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Also think season four started with a real purpose. I
mean there was a real character arc for Eric, for Corey.
We started the yogurt Cup. You knew it was going
to go here.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
We have Jack and Shawn, Jack and Sean.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
But then you instantly go another direction with it, and
it's like, all right, well that didn't work. So we're
gonna put Jack and Eric together, and it's like, now
that's a new pair. So it doesn't seem to have
the same kind of focus that season four did just
right off the bat. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I know, we just ended on.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
We just ended an episode where it's like, oh man,
it's actually it's kind of nice to have a brother,
and then we forget that you.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
And then our dad dies, right yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
So Sean explains, as of right now, I don't know
what we are. Give me my space. Corey stomps over
to Topanga. Sean has a new best friend to Panga
notices he's jealous and she thinks it's cute. Corey insists
he isn't jealous and that two can play. Two can
play at this game, girlfriend, And then Corey walks over
to a nearby classmate, trying to turn the armand make

(38:00):
a new friend. The boy introduces himself as Lionel, and
Corey smarks, I know who you are. And this is
the sexiest Corey has ever been, ever been. He's never
he's got, He's never been this charming, He's never been
this sexy, He's never been this smooth, confident, he feels
I've never seen it like this.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
This is.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Riz to the max.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Yes, double stuff, Riz, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Lionel offers him some grapes and Corey takes the whole bunch,
eating directly from the vine, and then he sits behind
Lionel and glances right at Sean. I'm taking another boy's grapes.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
It's a pretty funny one.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
It was pretty funny. I guess I did.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I guess I didn't I taking another Well, then we're
in the guy's apartment. Eric announces it's time for his
first college paper. Ten thousand words word number one I
want my mommy. That's three words.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Three words.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
It's actually for.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
I did the same thing. I was like, no, wait,
that's what that's four.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Jack with a giant picture of a meat lover's pizza
hanging on the place, you have to say.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
I was like, what they have a pizza Bosters.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
It's like what a kids into because moden up?

Speaker 1 (39:25):
What maybe it's a sixteen by twenty No, you know what,
let's actually me four.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
It was like, how do they decorate their apartment? I
love it.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
It's well, it's like it goes back to the like
also the trailer member and that was just like a
greyhound bus and right, yeah, it was like, what are
they into buses?

Speaker 4 (39:44):
The busses? They're poor people and trailer people. There there's
pictures of trailer Yeah, public transportation.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
And these are twenty year olds who eat a lot
of pizza.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
It looks like the art that would be inside a
little Caesar.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
It's just I like pizza.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
In the kitchen. Pizza.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Okay, he scolds Eric, you had three weeks to write
this paper. Eric yells, don't make fun of my learning disability.
Jack's confused, you have a learning disability. Eric scoffs, I
would think so, and he laughs.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Here, Yeah, Matt's clothing is so big.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
That was Matt's style. Though Matt really did like big.
He liked he liked big, over over size.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Wow, you guys are so risy today.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I don't know. I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
But I keep an ongoing list from India of all
the terms. But decided he likes drips, so he's wait.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Drip is now a good thing. I thought if you
were a drip it was a bad thing.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
And you're.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
Like, wear big. I mean, it's what Matt Lawrence is doing. Yeah,
guys wear big clothes.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
I still do that. Yeah, you got this episode. We
haven't talked about that.

Speaker 7 (41:00):
I got one haircut a haircut, and it's so obvious
that they were like either you or they were like,
we have three guys, three floppy hair god the white
guys with the exactly it's like, which, you can't all
be the same.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
And I don't have that curl in the middle.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I know you've got like a Clark Kent line.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
I do.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
And then Andy, the friend replacement for Corey, also has
the floppy hair cut. Big Nights very popular anyway, Eric
asks Jack what he wrote his paper on, and Jack
happily sits down next to Eric and pulls out his laptop.
Eric's impressed that he has a laptop for his lap
And I did think when I saw Will holding up
the pencil as Eric ready to write.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Like, oh my gosh. We used to have to write
papers with pencil.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Right high school to submit papers that way, because then
you might have used spell check, and that was like
considered cheating.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
So I then went on a deep dive to figure
out what how much were laptops in nineteen ninety seven?

Speaker 4 (41:57):
I had one?

Speaker 2 (41:57):
How much was it?

Speaker 4 (41:59):
I remember exactly five thousand dollars?

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Right?

Speaker 3 (42:01):
You paid seven for yours because you had all this
special bonus IBM, think pad.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Yeah, and I but that was actually even earlier. I
spent a lot of because I wanted, you know, I'd
be able to do games and go golf and Stein
Wolfenstein and yeah, and and laptops were so they were rare,
like especially because I must have bought it like first
or second.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Season, because you were still in the school. Yeah, so yeah,
you were. So it was first season, and that was
like what the big the biggest thing I spent money on.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, well it's funny you say. Originally you said five
thousand dollars before Will said he thought it was seven
because I looked it up and it said that with
inflation today, it would be about forty eight hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
There you go. Remember TVs were the same way.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
When I could buy my first big screen TV, I
like took a second mortgage on the house to get it. Yeah,
now they give them away with like, oh, you open
a bank account, here's an eighty h screen Like, yeah, yeah,
it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I know. So Jack shows him his perfectly crafted ten
thousand word essay on his summer in China, where he
worked with pale ontologists. Eric scoffs he can't believe he's
writing about his summer for his first college paper. Jack
boasts that he uncovered dinosaur fossils. Eric asks if he
has any pictures, and Jack says no, then you had
got nothing. And before I knew where this was going,

(43:13):
I was like, what, he has a laptop, but not
a single picture from his his summer in China, As
with the paleontologists, who doesn't take a picture of you
looking for dinosaur fossils?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
But either way.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Jack thought his essay was pretty good, but Eric reminds
him there in college now being judged on a whole
new level. Theories in footnotes, shades of meaning, nuance, spelling,
Where does it end?

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Where does it end?

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Jack breaks and admits he didn't even go. His ten
year old's sister went Eric, he.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Was so Matt Lawrence in that moment too, and there
it was like he was so mad in that moment, like, oh,
there he is, like it's her third episode.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
There's there's Matt, there is.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Eric comforts him and explained situations like this is where
Eric Matthews shines.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Jack asks if.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
There what's happening exactly? Finally wrote something funny for Matt
to do, right, But it's kind of a weird character thing,
like so Jack is lying like he's not now, and
then he speaks Chinese at the end, So it was
kind of like, oh, but you did so. I don't know.
It's like they went for the joke, but they sacrificed

(44:16):
the character that they've already spent two episodes. You know
that he is this like straight a student. Yeah, does
the work. And I don't know, I can hear.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Michael just with this episode just going just don't think
about it for everything, just in the episode, like, hey, wait,
this character is not don't think about it, just do it.
Like it's just That's what it came off to me,
is just just do it. Episode.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
We're coming off of two heavy episodes, you know. I
feel like they were just like, well, let's just it
didn't work. The two episodes didn't work, so now let's
just make it.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
I do wonder if ABC was like, all right, guys,
we gave you your two episodes to break in this
new character, the emotional brother.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
They're going to live together. Now, we got to see
it be funny.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, and then this is how it all is, where
it got okay. So Jack asks if they're going to
pull an all night until their papers turn out great,
but Eric says he's got one better. They're gonna make
friends with the Dean. And I was thinking, gotta go.
He's gonna go lay on the charm with Dean Bolander.
And then we're in the Matthew's kitchen. Corey, seated next

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to Morgan at the kitchen table, is sulking. Amy points
out that he's in his pajamas at six pm, and
she asks if he's okay, He responds, I don't want
to talk about it, and he eats ice cream straight
out of the Chubby Chubbies container.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, Chubbies apparently sells pints.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Oh, that's right, we know that when to Panga was sick.
That's right with sprinkles, Yeah, Jimmy's jimmies.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Morgan reveals to her mom Corey and Sean had a fight.
Sean dumped him. Corey denies this, He did not get dumped.
They just agreed to see to not see each other
for a while. Morgan scoffs, you believe that. She also
starts very hot and stays very hot through this entire scene.
There there's no build up for her either. Amy changes

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the subject. A boy from school called for Corey. His
name is Lionel. Morgan judgingly asks, is that your new boyfriend?
Corey shyly answers, he's just this guy from school. If
he goes again, tell him I'm not home. Morgan reminds
him that if he treats Lionel that way, he's gonna
dump him too. Right Then Alan walks in. He asks
why he didn't see Corey at Pinks for lunch today.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
A new food place.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
I thought the same thing. I'm like, what is this
Pinks that you speak of?

Speaker 5 (46:27):
Is it a reference to Pink's hot Dogs?

Speaker 1 (46:33):
So Corey wonders, well, why would you? And Alan says
because Sean was there. Corey, trying to hide his hurt feelings,
asks if Sean was alone. Alan says no, he was
with a couple of guys, a couple of guys. Corey
is shocked to hear there's more than one. Alan asks
what he's so upset about, and Corey wines, Pinks was
our place. I mean, we've never heard of it, so
how could it be your place?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (46:55):
If we've never heard of it, Give me a break.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
How do you not do he is a Chubbies with
other people. That was our place, and the joke is
that's everybody. It's the only place in town, Like, how
do you not do that?

Speaker 5 (47:07):
So yeah, I know, so more.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Morgan pokes funded him again, not anymore. Amy asks what's
going on, and Corey forcefully says, it's two people moving
in different directions. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going
into the other room to watch Lifetime and have a
good cry, and then he leaves the ice cream behind,
and that makes no sense. He would clearly take the
ice cream and cry and eat your ice cream. That's
what that's what we do.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Now the room comes back, grabs the pine from.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
The ice cream.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
I just need this ice cream. Alan's concerned. He wonders
if everything's okay between their son and Tipanga. Amy says
they've never been better. Alan asks when they kiss, he
enjoys it, right? And this was where I wrote, yikes,
have we jumped the shark?

Speaker 5 (47:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:47):
This is this was This was the actual moment where
I was like, oh no, what if the show never recovers.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
From this moment?

Speaker 1 (47:56):
And I'm I'm a little nervous. Season five, so far
from Me is a big old stinky doodo head just just.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
Like this episode so much. I assumed that there would
be more. You guys would have a little more lighthearted response,
but yeah, it's it's interesting that you again.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
I just think, to me, it was not a real moment.
It just cranked it up to eleven and it stayed
there the whole time. There was to breathe.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
I don't want to hear from my listeners. I'm curious
if people, if anybody likes this episode. I don't know,
you know, it's not one. It's not one I hear
about ever. No, but people yell Lama pen all the
time and yes, well yeah that's because the history. But
but this joke, right this, like Sean and Corey are
really lovers? Isn't it funny? They're they're not gay, but

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they act like it. That was like such a big part.
I remember in Girl Meets World that was like the
joke when I came on the show. And so I'm wondering,
did we drop it after this or is it becoming like.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Oh my god, I'm just having a flashback, Danielle.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Isn't there an episode where you constantly go his lover?

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Oh, isn't that a thing where it's like and then
Sean his lover? Isn't that? Why? Why am I happy? Familiar?

Speaker 2 (49:19):
That does sound familiar.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
I think there's an episode where every time somebody says
Corey or Sean, you go his life.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
And the point of the wedding episode is that it
becomes all about Corey and Sean, right Like, Unfortunately, we're
just gonna stay in this mode.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
I think I think if this was the first time
we saw it would be one thing. But it's the
fact that we've seen this already done better that made
it that through it for me, because it's like this
episode it was.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Good writers exactly right. They didn't have to play the comedy.
They didn't have to play the but you're not gay,
right because because it was about him dating a woman.
If this, by the way, if they removed all the
boyfriend ye are they boyfriends?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Are they gay? Stuff from it, I might have enjoyed
the episode more. If if if it.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Had been a farce about their friendship, the intensity of friendship,
the intensity of a friendship and guys come on to
look even to Penga is going to go to Miami
and Coran to Panger are going to be fine?

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Or like Will pointed out, you could have versions of
taking things too seriously that aren't just a gay joke,
you know, like where we act like toddlers, who are
we we take things too far and we hurt each
other's feelings, or we start pranking one another, whatever. But
instead they just played the one joke, which is isn't
it funny Corey's acting like a jilted lover. Yeah, but

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they're they're cheating on each other, they're seeing it's just
the story of a breakup.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
And that's It's one.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
It's one joke, over and over and how many variations
of this can we do?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:03):
So then we're back at Penbrook, where there is also
a blood drive signy.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
Telling you lots of blood, meat and pizza.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
We have to I'm sorry, I'm throwing this out there
right now at some point because it's it's obviously a
very good cause.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
At some point we have to do a job drive.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
That's a great idea that we have at our next
get together with everyone, We'll make everyone.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
We'll also have a sex ed class, yes, and go
to a PEP rally exactly.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
We'll do all three.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
But we should we'll do it. We'll do a bloodrive.
It's a it's a good obviously a great thing to do.
So what we should do that?

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Eric and Jack are outside the Dean's office and Jack
tries to chicken out. Eric forces him to stay. The
beauty of befriending the dean is He's going to give
them an extension on their paper. And that's where I
was like, he like, what's happening here? Is Bonnie Bartlett?

Speaker 3 (51:59):
I wonder if Fannie couldn't do it if there was
if she was shooting something or doing something, because it
made sense to not have Bonnie in the.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
I think they wanted the stunt casting. I think they thought.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
They want to think they also wanted it to be
like more of a mirror of Phoenie, you know, where
it's a it's a man who who's who should be
like Fenian, He's just not He's the opposite, whereas Ballinger
already did have like this relationship with Eric where she
was impressed by him and.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Like, but that's what you want to play I mean,
that's what I would want to play off of. And
I want to play off of the fact that it's
obviously the stunt casting is it's Bill's wife, so it's
like she's obvious the new Phoene's obviously gonna love me,
and it's you know, turns out that she doesn't to
me that.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
No, they were just into the idea of like, who's
like the harshest anti Feenie we can come up with,
and it's you know, I mean like if you close
your eyes, he is he has JK. Simmons voice. It's
like the same type. It's like that archetypal hyper masculine again.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
He also is going to be ultimate guy Dean from
from Breakfast Club. I mean that's all it is is
He's he's the ultimate bad guy.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
So yeah, well then Eric continues, We'll never have to
do any work until we graduate, get jobs, befriend our bosses,
get married, befriend our wives.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Jack pleads, I just.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Want to go to college. I just want to do
the work. Eric shakes him, I like you too much
to let you do that. The dean who is not
Bonnie Bartlett.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Yeah, see, like why Jack wants to do the work,
just go do it. But he becomes an on running
thing though.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
This becomes because he says it again when when during
the Plays with Squirrels episode, he's like, what is it
about you?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Like?

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Why can I not just get away from you and
not listen to what you have to say? So they
build it up to where Jack is like sucked into
Eric's orbit and his craziness and for some reason Eric,
he says.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Why do you have this power over me? In the
in the.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
Come up with a reason that that's they're doing is
that Eric is magnetic and is like, can can talk
people into everything?

Speaker 3 (53:53):
I think that's the point I don't think it lands,
but I think that's the point that they're true.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
The Dean angrily walks through the guys into his office.
When Eric tries to chat, the Dean bellows not now.
Jack tries to leave, but Eric assures him he's gonna
love us. Even though the Dean slammed his door shut,
Eric lets himself in anyway. The Dean isn't pleased, so.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Eric instructs Jack to bow to the Dean with him
mid bow, Eric talks about the paper they're writing, and
he wants to establish a relationship with the Dean like
he had with his former mentor, mister Feeney. The Dean
is not impressed. The only people who have mentors are
people who can't think for themselves. He hits Eric's arm
hard and reminds him, you're in college now, buddy boy.
The big leagues, all twenty five thousand of his students

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are lined up to kiss his dean butt, looking for
the easy way. But the easy way is the hard way.
The Dean notices that the pretty boy Jack isn't talking,
and Jack whimpers, I'm very scared, sir. The Dean tells
him good before again aggressively shoving him out of the
way and leaving. Eric isn't discouraged at all.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
We're so in now.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
This is potentially a funny storyline, Yeah, trying to just
we're not going to do any of the work. We're
just going to find their new FIENI. We're going to
get him on our side. That's great. If the a
story is more modulated, then this heightened story of craziness
and wackiness works of.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Sneaking into the Dean's house exactly, that's the farce.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
If everything is this note, then it all just blends together.
That's that's the problem for me.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Is a very funny storyline.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Eric like, no, no, no, we don't do the work. Here's
what we do. We find a new Phoenie. Great storyline,
but it just it was lost in this sea of noise.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Well, then we're at Chubby's not Pink's. Corey Topanga, Corey
Topanga and Lionel are sitting in a booth with Corey's
arm draped over Lionel's shoulder like old chums. Topanga says,
I know you and Sean are having some problems right now.
Corey cuts her off. I don't think this is the
time to bring him up. Corey brags to Tapanga, did
you know that Lionel has a really wonderful singing voice.

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He prompts Lionel to prove it, but Topanga pulls Cory
as side. She stands between his legs on a stool
and kisses him in an attempt to ensorcele him. She asks,
did you enjoy that? Cory smiles yes, ma'am to Pang
is relieved. Okay, good, now listen to me being a senior,
Thank god, thank god. My boyfriend still likes it when
I kiss him, very benignly.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Well, Danielle, in all fairness, you've got a history. True.
I'm just saying, just a history of your boyfriend's turning
out to be gay.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
I'm just honestly from my very first boyfriend in elementary school.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
So to my boyfriend in high school, you're right, valid, Okay,
being a senior is a very scary time. We have
a lot of decisions to make. To Pega continues, You're
probably going to have your choice of schools to go
to all over the country. Corey knows, but that doesn't
mean Sean has to be upset about it.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Is certainly like a student student behind.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, after that, after obviously that Pulitzer Prize he one,
as well as the Nobel Prize.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
He's doing very well. Yeah, that's actually a big story,
a story.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
He's so consistently average, like that's always been the joke
is that he's like a B minus student like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Tapega says he's just afraid his best friend is moving
on and leaving him behind.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Corey thinks she's right. He imagine Sean somewhere alone, miserable,
But then we see Sean leading a bunch of leather
jacket dudes down the stairs. Corey declares he's in denial.
Three guys, I'm only with Lionel Tapanga encourages him to
talk to Sean. Corey walks over and says hello to Sean,
then looks at the rest of the table boys. He
grabs Sean by the leather jacket and pulls him aside.

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Corey needles him. This certainly appears to be more than
just giving each other space. Sean reminds him of their
agreement to make new friends, but Corey refutes, no, you agreed.
I was perfectly happy with the way things were. Sean
shouts explain him, and he points at Lionel. He tells
him that he and Lionel met today and they're getting
along just famously. I'm young, hunter, I'm vital, and I

(58:05):
have a lot to offer.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
I love this joke that, like Sean's surrounded by leather
jacket wearing guys, and I also kind of love the
low key joke that Lionel is kind of like another Corey,
Like it would have been such a good way to
go where like you see us hanging out, and like
the fact that we find other people just like us
doesn't work like that, We're like miserable, like that I'm
surrounded by Shaan's and I'm suddenly like I miss I

(58:27):
miss my Cory. That would have been a joke built
on our actual characters and our personalities.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Instead it's just this visual gag.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
And then it's like, yeah, if Lionel was like super
dorky and anxious and neurotic and Corey was like and
you could see himself how he is and then be
like I need a Sean.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Yeah, yes, this is supposed to be the same night that.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
Yeah, I'm wearing the I know I had the same
I had the same thought, because later at the party
at the house, I'm wearing the same outfit I was
in the morning. So this is also one day Lionel
at school and that day. This is all happening in
one day, which I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
Okay, yeah, but wait.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
You're right, Yeah, you're right, because he says in the
in the Chubbies, I met him today, right, Yeah, going to.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Throw a party this night. Yeah, a long day.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Okay, Well, Sean thinks the same thing about himself. Corey
fire's back. The only difference is I have the dignity
to keep my friendships personal in private, not parade them
around in public for your twisted amusement. Sean shouts, you
little punk. Corey yells you dirty man Chubby. Yet another
actor playing the role, and this time it's our very
own stand in. Matt Kirkwood yells cad bite. Corey grabs

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a cup of water and throws it in Sean's face.
Sean does the same thing right back at him and screams,
face it. Our friendship never made any sense in the
first place. And writer, did you think you look like
you were about to break? I was wondering if Ben
was making a funny face.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
Yeah, this was a yeah, I didn't in the rest
of the episode.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
I was surprised.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
Yeah, this was like where I actually look like Ben
and I are having fun for the first time. We're
being tortured into line readings and screaming.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
For each other. Right, you're actually throwing well.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
There was probably the only time we got to throw water,
because we had been rehearsing without throwing water, so this
was like, oh, we have to do it now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
So I'm sure there was a level of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Like your nose at some point, and I think water
really had gone up your nose, and I think the
only way to like recover from it was you had
to wipe your nose.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
So Corey the only honest moment in the whole episode.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Exactly, and it does look fun.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Corey agrees, but then asks why because we're different your college,
I'm Towny, it was only a matter of time before
that caught up with us. Corey demands, then let's end
it now before it lasts any longer than it did,
and then Sean yell's no now, as if Corey didn't
just say that, And then Sean yells for his leather
jacket boys to follow him out, and this scene also

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has so much laughter at like odd points.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
So the same scene. It's the same so the opening scene.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Correct, it's again the third time. Not one thing has changed.
It's the exact same scene.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Yep, in a different place though the same day.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Apparently same day, new location. Yeah, same scene, the guy's apartment.
Corey and Lionel are exiting the elevator and Lionel wants
to know why he has to be here. Corey admits,
it's no secret that Sean and I went through a
pretty brutal breakup. Things could get pretty ugly, and if
a punch gets thrown, well, I need you to take it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Great line, very funny.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Lionel nobly says he will do that, Will Cory? I
will do that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Corey assumes that Sean has no intention of giving him
a stuff stuff back, considering how vindictive he is. Set up,
set up, set up, But then we see a box
labeled Corey's stuff sitting right outside the door. Corey cries,
where does it end? He knocks on the door and
calls out to Sean. When a half second goes by
with no answer, Corey is sure Sean has.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
The situation happened to me in life? It was devastating
where it broke up.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
I got dumped and then called like months later and
it was like.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Oh, we should get together, Let's get together. I was
so excited. I was like maybe that we're going to
get back together.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
And I showed up at her apartment and she just
walked out handed me a box of all of my
stuff that I loved, and I was like, oh, we're
not This is okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
You wanted to see me to give me my She'll.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Give me my ship and then we'll go get coffee
and I'll see it devastating.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Was your leather jacket in there?

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
You hadn't left it at our house? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Did you? Did you write a song about it under
the name go Ta just curious?

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
No, very very thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
That's the hit, the reference twenty years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Exactly there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Corey is sure Sean must be hurting, and he is
loving it. But then Sean answers the door and shouts Kirk,
it's about time, but then realizes it's Corey and his
tone changes. He's having a party. Corey laughs at this excuse,
Sean must be lying. When Sean opens the door a little,
we do see a big group of people gathered in
the apartment. The background budget was in big effect this week.

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Sean boasts just pounding down some so swapping a few
stories with some close friends. Corey argues that he hardly
knows these people. Sean explains exactly so if they leave,
who cares? He abruptly yells at his new friends, telling
them to leave. As they begin to file out, Sean
yells at them to get back in there, and they do.
See that's what no emotional attachment looks like, his kind
of friendship. Corey tells Sean it's been a fun run.

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Sean nods it has been. Corey reminisces remember the time
we ate cake and the paramus mall. Sean stops him,
no emotion because it's too hard.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
And now I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Guess here's like the tiniest bit of reality between them.
Where are we really gonna do this? I thought we
had a good thing going good look, and Sean is
actually honest and says, let's not go there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
It's just too hard.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
He puts on a brave face and tell tells Corey
to have a nice whatever. Corey tries to tell him
that he doesn't hate him, and Sean winss just go.
Corey obliges, taking Lionel with him, but Sean grabs Lionel.
If you guys ever play basketball, make sure there's plenty
of water around, because Corey tends to dehydrate. Corey waits
in the elevator, but Sean has more tips and let
him win once in a while. He likes that. Oh

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and never eat cake and paramus, that's ours. Lionel joins
his pal in the elevator, and Corey pokes his head
out to get one more glimpse of Sean. Sean stands
in the doorway and watches them leave before playing it
off cool and going back inside.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Now, had this scene right here been the only time
they took it to that level of its lovers breaking
up funny howling, I know you're right, it would have
been hiss.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
It's all about modulation. I think you're right. This whole
episode is just not modulated.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Yes, because Sean grabbing and giving all the advice it
could have been, but by this point it's just lost
in the sea.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Like the lines are actually pretty funny, the writings pretty good.
I think the script could have you know, well, it's
it's it's the same scene over and over it's just
it's a sketch, it's a it's one joke, one scene,
and they just kept riffing on it and having fun.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
And it doesn't quite Also.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
The way the laughs are with the audience, it's like
nobody was really sure what was funny and what kind
of wasn't funny, and so they just acted like everything
was funny and there's laughter everywhere. Even that doesn't feel
quite so earned. It's it's just odd. Then we are
at a nice new exterior for our fake Dean Borax house.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
That looks kind of like the Matthews house. And I
had the same Matthews house.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Do you remember shooting this?

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Will not even slightly.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I know where did they shoot this?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Nothing of it?

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
And I bet you it was No, I bet you
it's one of the houses, because there's standing houses at
CBS Radford. Yeah, that neighborhood, you know, that little neighborhood area.
We rarely went there, but I've been there for auditions
and stuff. It's like there's this whole office that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
Has to be there. Then must must have been.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
I think it was the neighborhood in for the Burbs,
that movie with Tom Hanks.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
That's what they willed it for.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
So it's a famous like little spake somewhere that they
use a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Then, yeah, they had to have been there, because I
don't think we ever left the lot or anything. But no,
I remember nothing shooting this at all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
So Eric stands outside, yelling for the Dean the way
he usually for Phoenie. Jack is behind him, holding a
rapt present. He nervously tells Eric, I was a very
good student in high school. I can write this paper.
I'm going home. Eric mocks him, Fine, go high school boy.
Jack is offended, but Eric assures him he meant nothing
by it. He knows that high school was a very
important time in Jack's life. He wants some spelling bees
he took out the prom queen he peaked early. Good

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for him. This worries Jack, and he starts yelling for
the Dean too. The Dean eventually answers the door in
a huff, and Eric asks if he can put on
a pot of coffee and invite them inside to discuss
the extension on their papers.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
Now this is where I will I think it's this scene.
I will revi heist my earlier sentiment that the Phoenie
call has not happened because he does a deed does
it here, And I was like, okay, it's it's obviously
enough of the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Yes, that him.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Screening in that tone got or Dean whatever his name is,
got the and I was like, okay, so I know
I said that the Phoenie call hasn't happened, but I
will say after watching.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
This, yeah, it was the thing that before he ever
did the escalation with dragging it out, this had been
the previous Phoenie call. Once he does the once he
does the dragged out one, that's like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
The peak Phoenie call.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yeah, that's the pinnacle of it all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
But this was the Phoene call up until the point
that he found it even a funnier way of doing it. Well,
thank you Rid for revising, revising your thoughts always. You know,
it's always one of my favorite things in a person
when they can.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Say I've thought about it, I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Jack offers the gift he brought a Bobka. The Dean
is angry, you bums think you're going to buy me
off with a stink in Bobka. The Dean calls for Hildy,
and Eric excitedly tells Jack, we're going to meet his daughter.
The dean corrects him, you're gonna meet my doberman. Dean
Borak warns them, I am a nasty, nasty man, and
we hear a vicious dog barking inside the house. Eric
and Jack run away, but the Dean yells leave the bobka,

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and Jack throws it on his way out, And then
we're at Phoene's house the backyard sideyard, Eric is yelling
for Feoenie in the familiar way we all love, and

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we see a hand abruptly cover his mouth before he
can scream again. And it's Feenie. I was expecting you today, tomorrow, yesterday.
Eric introduces Jack, who's nervously standing behind him. Phoene asks
why isn't he looking at me? Jack admits, I'm afraid, Sir.
Eric tells him that they have their first paper due
tomorrow and they're both scared that the college may realize
they're fakes. Phoenie assures them getting accepted into college is

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not a random act. You both were accepted on your merits.
You belong. He asks the boys what the topic of
their paper is, and Eric tells them it's an open assignment.
No rules, no guidelines. It doesn't even have to be
in English. Phoene shocked. You're kidding, right, Eric confirms it,
and Phoene's advice is to write about something personal. He
suggests they write about the anxiety they're feeling and will
Had you already had your first panic attack?

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Were you? No?

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
I thought the same thing. I hadn't had it yet.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
It was because I had it during h Double Hockey
six with with Matt.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
With Matt next time, and that's was the foul.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Between these two seasons. Yeah, so no, I had not
had it yet.

Speaker 6 (01:09:09):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I thought, wonder if they had like pulled you know,
not just Stanford for cour and yeah, you know, we've
already talked about how many things they pulled from writer's life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
But I wonder if the anxiety but okay.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
No old older women in anxiety they pulled for my life?

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
Possible?

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah, right, there you go. Eric loves it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
He exclaims, Yes, Phoenie and Eric back together again, just
like the old days. I make you look so good.
He runs off and leaves Jack and Feenie alone. Phoene
approaches Jack, who still won't look at him. Jack tells
him he was thinking about writing about uncovering dinosaur fossils
in China. Phoene wants to know he got pictures. Jack
shakes his head.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
No, Phoenie declares, then you got nothing, and he walks
back inside his house.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Okay, I thought, I thought the thing about the exchange
that he and I had together of it's an open paper,
you could do whatever you like, the easiest assignment. Every's like, like,
you're kidding, right, Like that was funny to me. I agree,
But the rest of it is just to get Jack
and Foenie on screen together for the first time ever,
which has never happened. I think that's the whole reason

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why this happened, right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
But again, the funny exchange of what are the guidelines
there are no guidelines to then immediately be followed up
by if you don't have pictures, that's a terrible paper.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Is like, I get that. It's a kind of a
joke that if you don't have pictures. I don't know.
It's just I don't know. I have a hard I
have a.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Paper about fossils in China. Whether he went or not,
who cares.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
He's got his paper's done.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Absolutely, And then we're in Phoene's office, Corey enters, I
got a message. You want to see me. You have
two extra tickets to Sunday's Eagles game. And then there's
another knock at the door. It's Sean. You have an
academic achievement award for me. Corey and Sean make eye
contact and in unison, say you. Then they turn back
to Feenie and Yelle sting. Phoene tells the boys to
sit down. Corey wants to know why Peoene is doing this,

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and on cue Tapega walks in. I asked him to
see you. Both boys gasp and iconic line alert.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
They dramat gasp to Penga.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
I don't know do we say this a bunch? I
know it's a but I don't know if it's just
because we did this long term, this is you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Do it again later? I know for sure. In like
the college scene in the college, Matt and I do it,
A bunch of people do it. It's like the way
to say her.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Name now, Benga, Yeah, it becomes a thing.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
Which again is just riffing on an affair to forget.
When to Panga, yes, arranges for the scene, then she yes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
You won't listen to me? You won't listen to each other.
Maybe you'll listen to mister Feoenie, she says. Phoenie admits
it hasn't happened yet, but I'll take a shot at it.
He asks, who wants to start? Both agree they have
nothing to say. Phoene's fed up and done. That was
his best shot to Pega is shocked. She shouts at Phoene,
these boys are about to throw away ten years of friendship,
and he calls that his best shot.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
You are dressed so well for school.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
I was like, where's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Out?

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
Yeah, it was just like wow, she's really like decked
up for you know, it's like fancy first.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
I know, I don't understand my wardrobe this season. That's
another thing. It seems like I'm not sure what's going
on with my wardrobe choices. I don't quite know whats in.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
A lot of sweater vests.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
I've noticed every episode of sweater vests.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Yes, so she scolds, shame on you shame Phoene asks,
I show up, I teach. Why isn't that enough? Shawn
assures him they don't need to waste anyone's time. He
and Corey broke up. Corey explains it should have happened sooner,
and Shawn adds, but we stayed together for the kids.
Phoene gives them a look and Corey clarifies. In the class,
Phoene asks the boys when this problem started. Sean says

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Corey's problem started the day he met him. He continues
to shout in Corey's face, you didn't think I was
good enough for you since the day you met me,
the day he met me. And then there's some weird
blocking here. They're already leading into this thing. You looking
up stage, just.

Speaker 5 (01:12:46):
Blocking the dissolve is happening.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
While a dissolve starts to happen, where we enter a flashback,
the screen gets blurry and a banjo starts to play.
We're at the zoo and we see a lama, a
young Sean who looks nothing like writer Tipe, wearing a
leather jacket.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
I know, and like the poor they couldn't even like
give the kid a wig that looks like my hair,
like they you could tell they just took this poor
kid's hair and tried to force the hair kind get
a wig, spend the money, make a very over the
top Sean like Floppy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
I know, because I also thought't what a perfect opportunity
to have an enormous to panga wig that like goes
all her hair all the way down to the floor
or something.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
Or just have those played by muppets. How great muppets
to be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Like Sean remembering this means you can do whatever. That's
what you want to do, because what happens in Sean's
memory is exactically there should have been clowns juggling jump.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
In and like we're recorrecting each other, like Corey said, no,
that's not what happened. You see in another flashback that's
seen Corey's version, and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Like everybody has different versions of this.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
It's such a great idea, Like they could have done
that whole This could have been like the second scene
of the episode, and then the whole episode is just
just retaking, yeah, the flashback and redoing it in different versions.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
I love the idea of in each of our memory
what we look like in the other one's memory, Like
in Corey's, Corey would maybe be at like the most
gorgeous bread pit style, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
It's very funny.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Yeah, time machine, a young Sean who looks nothing like
writer outside of wearing a leather jacket, asks a young Corey,
who looks nothing like Ben, who is also wearing glasses
for some reason.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
If he wants to have lunch with him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Young Corey, now near a little girl who is supposed
to be young Topanga but looks nothing like me, admits,
I don't think I should. Those guys say you live
in a trailer park, and I shouldn't like you. Tiny
Sean says if he changes his mind, he'll still be there.
At the next exhibit. Corey is trying to get to
Pega's attention. Also, why does Sean want to have lunch
with him?

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
Sean, it's the loner, none of me. And why can't
he why does he need Shawn's help to crawl.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Out of the get me started on that?

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
I mean, I don't even know where we are, Like
it doesn't steel like where any I don't I can't
like wrap my head around where we.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Are that we like we're at service Oho.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
You literally like all right, But in the scene, I
couldn't wrap my head around like where the Lamas were.
The fact we never get to see them, so we
never feel the threat. It's just it's poorly put together.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Yeah, it really is Corey is trying to get to
Pega's attention. He gets up on a dividing wall and
pretends to be a lama by doing absolutely nothing at
all except yelling I'm a lama. But then the worst happens,
and young Corey very slowly falls off the wall and
into the lama exhibit to Penga rubs it in at first,
I told you not to play by the lamas. Corey's

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yelling help help to Panga is desperately looking for someone
to help the other kids run away, but mid soup,
Sean comes to the rescue. He hops over the wall
and into the llama pen. Sean does literally nothing to
rescue Corey. Then reached down softly, and then Corey is
able to just hop over the wall by himself, making

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us wonder how or why he.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Was stuck in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Despite this, he thanks Sean for saving him with his
entire back to camera, and Sean says, either it was
fun or it was fine, but we can't see his
face and his mouth is entirely covered, so we'll never know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
It's so poorly done. I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Like I don't know did they have six minutes with children.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
It feels like.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
Our entire production team just like went out the window,
like what is happening?

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Yeah, it must have been.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
So everybody seeing stressed that day, like and maybe it
was just that you having kids.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
I don't know, but you think a show with a
lot of children would be okay with kids.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
I don't know why it wasn't good though, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
It's truly it was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
It's just and I don't want to I mean, we
don't know children. I don't want to bash the kids.
Come on, but this, every single aspect from from the
production of it is just all of it's bad.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
So anyway, the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Two boys introduce themselves into Panga ads in a sweet hello,
Corey refers to her as the wife. Corey apologizes to
Sean for not having lunch with him. My friends were wrong.
They're not even my friends. Sean smiles. I'll be your friend.
His one condition promise me that when we grow up,
you won't go to college and leave me.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Funny.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
I mean, that's funny at least too. The thing saying
to Panga is the wife referring to her as the
wife and then him the yes. How Sean remembers it
are the only funny parts of the entire.

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
Right, and because they're jokes based on this fabrication of
the memory, right, which is like, we should have just
made that the whole joke. Yes, that we're like recreating,
you know, we're just yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Yeah, Corey shrugs, Okay, friends forever, Sean agrees.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Forever.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
They give each other a big hug, and little Topega says,
stop it your boys. Thankfully, that ends a truly brutal
scene made even more brutal by a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Joke of gayscare.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
So it's we return from the flashback back in Phoenie's classroom.
The two now grown boys are hugging is Topanga watches
just like at the zoo, to Pega repeats the truly
stupid line, stop it your boys, And I am so
thankful this stereotype of men not being able to hug
is no long unger common.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
It's we also hog just everybody all the time. It
was like, I know, we're a huggy set. It was
so yeah, that was very California.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Though.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
I mean, I still think it's a thing. I still
think a lot of really make this a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Yeah, No, I don't know. I don't think this has
big a thing. I mean again, I could be wrong,
but no, I hug everybody. Everybody hugs me.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
Well, I know you do.

Speaker 5 (01:18:21):
I'm saying like, in a lot of parts of America
that's not the case. We definitely think, yeah, I definitely
think there's a lot of you know, insecure masculinity posture
and out there for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Okay, The boys break their embrace and Corey says to Sean,
thank you for pulling me out of the lama pen.
Sean responds, thank you for having lunch with me. Phoene
size Oh here we go. Sean tell's his best friend,
So I don't I mean, why would he say that
it wasn't the whole point of this to get them
back together into being friends. Why would he now say, oh,
here we go? So Sean tells his best friend, I
want you to go to the best college you can

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get into. We'll be best friends all our lives, no
matter where you go. All these back, I should have
been more aware of your insecurities and how sensitive you
can be. Sean asks, you think I'm sensitive? Corey nods
I do. Shawn declares, I'm gonna work real hard. So
whatever college you get into, I'll be right there with you.
As they go in for another hug, to Panga yells
stop it. We all still have to be ready for
the possibility that we may end up in different places.

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That's why we have to make our senior year together
the best year of our lives. Topanga admits I applied
to the University of Miami, and Corey immediately interrupts her.
You're going to Miami? To Panga responds, I did tell
you that. If you didn't listen, that's not my fault.
Corey argues that she never said anything like that. They
go back and forth. Util Phoene stops them. Sit down,
more weird laughter. Here they sit, and Corey begins it

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all started the day she was nagging me by the
Lama pen to Panga smacksim on the knee. I don't nag.
They plead their cases to Feenie. As we've fade to black,
Please Lord let this episode end. And then in the tag,
we're in the Dean's office. The dean walks in into
his surprise, Eric and Jack are waiting for him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Inside.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Eric in his chair, casually says, hey, d The dean
asks how they go in there? It's after hours and
the building is locked. The boys are trespassing and violating
his personal property. I could have you both shock therapy.
Eric begs dean, we really need that extension. The dean
is just appalled in my entire twenty seven year dean career,
which spans five colleges on three continents, including China. He

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then speaks Chinese terribly, but it translates in English to
I have never given any students an extension. Jack sighs,
but then he magically speaks Chinese right back his translation,
can you make an exception for us? Maybe for a month.
The Dean lets out a very forced laugh and gives
Jack a high five before walking away. I guess he
didn't need anything from his office at all. He walked

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in and just walked out without getting anything. Jack turns
back to Eric. He bought them a month.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Eric is shocked. You speak Chinese. They decide to celebrate.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Jack offers the dean's house, and Eric responds and insult
him by going anywhere else. They laugh and leave the
office together in excitement.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
I did like how both of Chet's boln for some reason,
can just speak multiple random languages. Of course, Shawn's brother
just happens to speak Chinese language.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Yeah, I mean, how do they use the principle from
Breakfast Club? And he never says you mess with the bowl,
you get the horn.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Two months I got it right, None of that, none
of that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
No, Well, thank you all for joining us for this
episode of Podus.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
Expectations are just so low.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Lot, I'm hoping for a good season five episode.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
There's got to be one. There's one that we know well.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
I mean, first of all, we know one of our
overall favorite episodes of the entire series is in season five,
so the and then there was so I mean, we
know episodes coming up, they've got to be there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
Just we're not.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Maybe hey, we've got a new direction, Maybe we've got
some new actors. Maybe we're all just trying to find
our vibe again as the show. And we're now, you know,
we've got new pieces in place, and we're just trying
to click and we'll get there.

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
We'll get there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
We will, we will.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
I'm convinced. I'm convinced.

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