TGI – Episode 509 “How to Succeed in Business”

Cory and Shawn may have gotten jobs, but it’s our hosts getting to work and recapping another episode of Boy Meets World! 

Considering some questionable behavior from our main character, you might be surprised to hear where the gang places this one on the roller coaster that is season 5. 

And though it’s not unusual to see a stellar William Daniels performance, this time he does it without saying a SINGLE word! If you want a masterclass in acting, they’ll tell you which scene to watch.
 
Plus, take a totally extreme trip into one of Will’s lesser known voice acting roles and find out why “naked ladies are nice!”

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
So as you guys know, every now Jensen stumbles upon
something he thinks is pretty much gold, and we like
to do just a little sprinkling of.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Surprise for you.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Oh no, And we have one of those moments now
that I think is very exciting. And I'd like to
introduce producer Jensen Carp to the podcast because he has
he has some stuff to share with us.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Is he really trying to sprinkle gold?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
People love this. This is a feature everyone just loves
when I come on and I play audio that somehow
embarrasses one of you posts.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh no, God, I think, don't let it be me.
Don't let it be me. I know, seriously, what a
writer do?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
No, I do think this week that this is kind
of a weird entry for me, because I do think
it's very cool. I just think we have some very
funny audio from it. And this was really introduced to
me by the listeners who have emailed about it a
couple times saying it's their favorite thing that this host
has done. And so I went to very very log

(01:22):
legs to figure this out.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
No one's surprised by that.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
The video game is called Tony Hawk American Wastelands.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh oh, jeez.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
It came out in two thousand and five on the
Game Tube and the PlayStation two and the Xbox and
this is obviously going to be directed towards our voiceover legend, Will.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Fordellt does me here?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh God. The concept of the game is that you
skate around the whole city, running into different characters who
give you missions to complete, all in hopes of building
a new skate park called the Ranch. And it's sort
of spoiling the plot a bit, but you run into
some evil real estate developers who hope to buy the land,
and Will is part of the game, but he's specifically

(02:04):
part of something called the Story mode, which means that
when you sign up to play the game. In the story,
you create a player and your skater is voiced by
one and only Batman Boy meets World be Alum, child Smoker,
will Ford Devil, and you get to play as yourself,
but you weirdly have Will's voice, and so Will. I

(02:27):
first just wanted you to explain how this got to you.
It's a huge pulk favorite in the video game world,
especially in the Tony Hawk lore. But what do you
remember from recording?

Speaker 4 (02:35):
I remember, well, the thing I remember most is that
I was a huge Tony Hawk fan. Oh yeah, and
a huge Tony Hawk video game fan. I've only asked
for autographs from two people in my entire life. I
have a Tony Hawk game signed by Tony Hawk and
buzz Aldrin was the second one. So I mean, going
in it was a regular audition, but I was like, come,

(02:55):
I have to get this, it's Tony Hawk. And then
I remember when I recorded. I recorded it right up
the street here.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
It was the only time. I won't say exactly where
because Daniel and I live here, but drop a drop,
a pin drop. Is it safe to walk at night?
It is?

Speaker 4 (03:10):
I remember, unfortunately recording by myself. Because there's so many
skateboarding legends that are in this They bring in everybody,
Tony Alva, like everybody from the original Zephyr Skate Shop
comes into this game, and I work with them quote unquote,
but I never get to meet them. But I remember
when I finished recording, the producer said, well, you're you

(03:35):
have the coolest job in the world because you're the
only person in the world that when you play this game,
you can make the avatar look like you and it's
your voice. So I remember walking out thinking it was
just the coolest thing.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Ever, which is very cool. And if I could say
anything about your voiceovers, it's it's very natural and we
will we will get into them now. This first clip
is an example of the story mode. Will runs into
a girl who becomes his love interests and she has
a mission for him.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Let's listen to that. You followed me?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Maybe maybe not, or maybe I'm just scooping out new
stuff we can get for this skate ranch.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
See anything you like? Yeah, I see something that shark
head over there? Oh that yeah? Oh yeah, no, I
saw that too. I'd be righteous if we could fnaggle that.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Thing righteous righteous? Yeah, that would be righteous if it is.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
I'd also like to shout out to the person playing
my love interest there. She has played my love interest
in almost every animated thing I've ever done.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
We are animated husband in audio chemistry, I guess we
are Chre Summer so Cree from a different world.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Kree and I have been. I mean, you name it,
from Batman to ThunderCats to everything. She's always my always,
my girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
So is that her? Is that her natural voice? She's
putting it?

Speaker 4 (04:59):
She's going a legitally to get a little higher, but
free is arguably the coolest human being you'll ever meet.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
You're pretty much doing your voice right.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
It is just me essential, but I get to say,
you know, righteous, righteous, righteous.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
And righteous. I loved.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Here is another clip. By the way, I just want
to let you know that the reason I was able
to pull these is because I watched the entire game.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
You did not. This is what you did last night
watching games start to.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Finish like that. You think it took one night? Okay,
here's another clip this year after wil went undercover in
escape gang called the Black Widows, and he's getting some
praise here, but he does also have a caveat as
to why he will succeed where others happened. Here's a
new clip.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Hey, nice job getting in with the Black Widows and
rescuing Boone.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Boone used to be a Black widow. I guess he
crossed them or something. No, he left the gang.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
Now that you're an official Black widow, the same thing
could happen to you.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Except Boone's a punk and I'm a freaking badass badassas Yeah.
I've always said animation is the only place I could
be cool, because that's it.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Oh, man's freaking badass.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I don't remember anything.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
I remember the character everywhere. He's from Kentucky and everyone
calls him Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Wow, I remember?

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (06:19):
What's up, Kentucky?

Speaker 3 (06:21):
That's what you get for hiring David Mammont to write
your video game. He is a freaking badass, shown here
when he runs into a gang member who is a
little territorial about his work.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
The Belmont are serious graffiti writers only. Oh I can bomb.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Haven't you seen my tags around?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I don't know what I said, but I said it well.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Also here this is my favorite clip. I love this one.
This is when he stumbles on a rather unconventional item
for a skate park, and I find it very difficult
to not imagine that this will now be our good
bye over the uh mister feene line. I feel like
at every show we should say we love you all,
and then and then this clip.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Hey man, lady's tattoo in there that would look awesome,
and iggies naked ladies are nice.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
That we got to use that. Let's save that clip.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
We love you all, naked lady, naked.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Lake ladies so nice, strange line. I love it so
much naked that.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
No, you can't. We need a wilfred Elle soundboard. That's
the center, that's the center button.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Naked ladies, nice man, Yeah, it's I know.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
We're recording video games is rough, just especially nowadays, because
you don't even if you're not mo cap you it
used to be the character comes on the screen and
everything you can go one way, and this is what happens.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Now you have to record for every eventuality.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
So it's they hand you a script that's this thick
when you walk in and you just realize you're gonna
be there forever and you're gonna shred your vocal cords.
So it is doing doing video games as right, but
at least you get residuals.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
So oh no, you don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
But I do get paid in other ways, my friend,
because naked ladies and nice.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Nothing gets the ladies to take off their clothes faster
than game video exactly now just video games, video game
the vio.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, I don't play video games.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
I do the voices for the excuse me, Hi, Hello,
you go.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Someone can be married to Daniel Official and spend two
and a half hours watching a Tony Hawk game to
pull four clips. Anything can happen.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
That Tony Hawk video game along with the Tiger Woods
PGA Golf. Only two video games I would have almost needed,
like intervention on Danielle. Life is calling you outside, Please
you please leave, leave the couch. Those two games are
the best.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
I loved American Wasteland, but that Tony Hawk two was
just a that game so much fun.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Thank you Jensen for that.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh wow, Welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel fishl
I'm right or strong, and I'm kinsucky.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
I'm will for Dell. Naked ladies are nice. Ladies are nice.
New tattoo, new tatt Hey, you've been looking, You've been
I have.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
I don't know what nia.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
So welcome to this episode of Pod Meets World.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
We are recapping season five, episode nine, How to Succeed
in Business. It originally aired November twenty eighth, nineteen ninety seven.
The synopsis is that Glory becomes jealous when John outperforms
him in a work study job. Eric feels self conscious
when Amy enrolls in his creative writing class. It was
directed by Alan Myerson. It was written by Ellen Idolsin

(10:11):
and Rob Loderstein. The second time we've heard their names
and then guest starring still a credited guest star Trina
McGhee as Angela Moore, but at the very end credits
it said starring Trina McGee and then separate guest stars
and had other guest stars. So I do think Nanchael
at this point something has happened.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, she's designative recurring, probably correct.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
She has become an official recurring at this point, and
so her her title has changed a little bit.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
I love how she just said to that when we
were talking to herther She's just like, I chose to
ignore that as far as I was concerned.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I thought that was so funny too. I was like,
I didn't even I didn't know it was anything other
than that, which I love. So then we have Kevin
Crowley as mister Morris. You might recognize him as Vic
Bollito in Major League one and two or in The
Fugitive or Carol And on the TV side, he starred
in Can't Hurry Love and the Boys Are Back and

(11:07):
appeared on Jeff Foxworthy, Murphy Brown and Arrested Development and
he has returned for his third and final appearance.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Phil Leads Leads Phil and.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
They clearly wrote this four films they just named the
character actor, like, let's get Phil back in here.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
It is the trifecta for a possible three timer, depending
on if he plays the same pill twice or if
he plays two different pills. That will be something only
you can decide on your own. And then we have
Alyssa and Smego, who plays Monica. Alyssa was seen on
Picket Fences, Dangerous Minds, the TV show, and Chicago Hope. Sadly,

(11:48):
she passed away in twenty thirteen at the age of
thirty eight. And then we have Robert Kirbeck as Professor.
He's a nineties TV show journeyman appearing on Melrose Place, Renegade,
Judging Amy, and Nash Bridges.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Dude, there's some some bangers in there.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Bang when you can do, you can do Nash Bridges
and Renegade. Hell yeah, I think Renegade is Lorenzo Lamis,
who's still one of the coolest guys ever.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
For sure. My mom had a giant crush on Lorenzo Lamas.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
I had a giant crush on Lorenzo. He was Lorenzo Lamas.
He's the man who just looked like he was born
in a motorcycle.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
I know, yeah, I know, I have a picture with him,
and I think my mom was like take.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
A pressure with him. I don't think I knew it was.
My am was like, you're going to do it, and
I'm going to sit down on the boot. Let's go photo.
Let's take him to islands for a photo shoot. That
sounds about right. So what did you guys think of
the episode? That was pretty great? I saw it, Yeah, solid.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
I mean it's it's weird in that it's a complete
non like all new sets.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
There's literally only the kitchen set.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
But you know what, I think we're I'm over the
high school, like I don't want that hallway anymore. And
the college hasn't had you know, we don't have the
locus of the what is it called the student union,
which we will have I'm assuming next season. So I
do feel like we're kind of a little lost location wise.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
So this was fine.

Speaker 6 (13:16):
It was great, and I thought, you know, we've talked
about Sean Shawn's like street smart's being a skill and
how he can be comfortable, and it was like, great,
this is a great way, and I, yeah, I thought
it was super fun and you know, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, I thought was great. Totally fa me too.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
I agree one hundred percent. I think it was I
loved seeing Betsy having something to do. I remember working
with Betsy and it was a ton of fun. So yeah,
this kind of reminded me of a regular ninety sitcom
that I kn'd sait, but like a news radio or
something along those lines, and I was here for it.
I thought it was a lot of fun all the

(13:51):
way around.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
I really did.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
I loved it, and I also I think one of
the things I really liked about it is although Corey
is a little unlikable in it, it is in the
most relatable way because in the end he says, yeah,
I'm realizing I've been jealous, and and he just and

(14:14):
he doesn't try to shy away from it. He's flawed,
and I love that we're all flawed, we all battle
these kinds of things. And I thought it made him
incredibly relatable. And instead of where there were no there
was no like where the universe kind of caters to
his ego. In this case, there was really like man

(14:36):
being I'm not being a good friend, and I'm making
it hard for you to enjoy something you should enjoy.
And here's why and and I loved it. I thought
it was great.

Speaker 6 (14:46):
Well, it's actually, you know, that tendency of Corey's to
be like, this is the way the world is, and
you're this person, and this was turned against him. That
is the lesson, as opposed to Corey being proven right
and exact changing in the nature of the universe. He
has to confront the fact that he has these expectations
or these assumptions about other people, that maybe you're not
always right.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
And that's a great lesson for Corey to learn, and
he does.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
It was great, and it ends in friendship, it ends
in recognition and appreciation.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
A lot of people have said that after episode seven
that season five picks up, and so far that has
proven to be true. Yeah, because episode seven was the
first one with the Purse where we were all like, wow,
this is really good.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
And I think we've kind of liked them since.

Speaker 6 (15:28):
Also kind of randomly, even though because he's not a
huge part, Matt Lawrence is incredible in this episode. But
there's something I feel like he's finally locked into Jazz.
He's comfortable, he's relaxed, and it just felt like Jack
belongs here.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
The relationship you.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Know, it was really giving him straight man jokes exactly,
which is good because he's he had previously been like,
well who am i am I? Am I the brother
to Shaun who's bringing tension? Am I am I just
the straight man to Eric who never who doesn't have
any personality. Now he's got a more well defined sense
of personality and they're giving him jokes and he's nailing them.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
He reminded me of a little comfortable Tony Danza in
this episode that kind of and it worked. Word, you're right, Yeah,
he was really great in this.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
The other thing, going back to the idea that we're
kind of over the high school, seeing the four of
us in the apartment coming over for dinner was like,
oh my god, you can see that they for sure
had a really good vision for what the next season
was going to be, or like you know, oh, when
we get them all to college together, this is going
to be the vibe.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
And it's because nobody, no real high school kids have
dinner parties with their friends.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Also, for Sean to be living away from his parents,
like what high school kid has basically his own apartment
and he and his girl.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well I think again, maybe they took it from life.
They all his life from I guess two of the
three of us did, didn't we?

Speaker 4 (17:02):
So yeah, yes, well I guess Okay.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I'm talking about the real world Johan, have you heard
of it? Have you heard of it? I played a
real world kid once.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
So we have a new settlert and an exterior shot
of an advertising building. We are in the mail room.
Corey is carefully sorting mail while Sean's making copies of
his face. Corey scolds him, this is the type of
behavior that is going to get you fired from the
work study program. Sean says, no one gets fired from
the work study program. They should try to have a

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good time. Corey reminds him they're not getting paid to
have a good time. Sean corrects him, they're not getting
paid at all, which is why he's going to give
the CEO a photo copy of his butt.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
He I remember these giant gray pants, so I wore
these for years on the show. I think this is like,
these are like and this is I mean, I just
see those like what is.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Going on over every episode? In what scene am I
wearing the giant gray pants?

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Giant gray pants, well as many you would always judge
pants by how many books you could fit in. So
if you had a pair of pants that had fourteen
books in it, you were happy.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
And oh my god.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
He begins to unbuckle his giant gray pants, but Corey
stops him. They're paying us in experience. Then an old
man who smells like broccoli walks in. He tells Cory
a lot of people in this company started in the mailroom.
I began where you're standing forty three years ago. Corey
asks where he works now, and the man tells him
right where you're standing. Move Phil, Cory beams, you must

(18:43):
really like advertising.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
The man is stumped. They do advertising hair and peak.
Phil just so funny. I'm going to say something that
sounds everyone's gonna be like, well, dub, but it really
hit me this time.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
He's oh, well, it hits you when he says I,
I've been here for forty three years, and I thought.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
What did you do for the first fifty years you started?
You started there, you're sixty five. It was like, it's
literally what I thought.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
It was, like, what did you do for the first
fifty years of your life?

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Sir?

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I mean him me today? I was like, wow, he's
this He Phil.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Fills up there.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Sean likes this guy. He's a lot like him, but
more mature. Then we see Phil making photo copies of
his face, but he's not super committed to it because.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
He's like six inches. He was not committed to the bit.
Let's put it this way. Phil doesn't really act. He
just kind of shows up, you know, walks around and talk.
It's racle.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
It's like he's you could tell, it's like not really
an act that he's kind of over everything.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
He just is over everything, and he could just do that.
Just want, honestly, when you're his age.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
The fact willing, I'm God willing, I'm going to be
exactly the same way. I didn't think i'd ever say that,
but I'm going to be exactly like Phil. So Corey
pulls Shawn aside and says there's a role model in
the room with him that he could look to, but
Shawn's confused. He doesn't see anyone else in the room
besides Corey. Corey Grin's corporate world is my very essence.
And as I climb the ladder to the top, I

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want you there with me, Sean asks, next to you,
and Corey clarifies behind me, that's how ladders work. The
old man chimes in, is that where you want to be?
Upstairs with the big fellas? And then he pushes a
cart filled with mail toward Corey bon voyage. Oh, then
we are upstairs in the advertising building, which we see

(20:37):
now is called Keller Margin.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Is there a Keller from Mars? The same thing?

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Keller because it's obviously as Keller Ma. It's a great name.
And I was wonder if there was a killer.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
But why why Keller Mars? I wonder there's no killer? Right?
We can't remember anybody.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
No, I don't really remember any party. And I was
actually looking at all the doors too. Of the people,
there's like Yaftean Williams, and there's Stack, and I was like,
I wonder how many of these were inside jokes?

Speaker 2 (21:08):
But I didn't remember a Kellery either. Yeah. Interesting. Well.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Corey and Sewn exit the elevators, and as Sean passes
by a worker's desk, he hands him an envelope and
admires the family picture on his desk.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
You lost weight.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Corey watches him in disbelief. You never make eye contact
with upper management. You have to know your place. Then
he tells Sean to observe him in action. Corey grabs
an envelope from the cart and hands it to the businessman.
While staring intensely at the floor, He compliments the man's
loafers fully bowed For the entire exchange. Sean notices a
nearby phone ringing, but no one is at the desk
to answer it. He tells Corey, I may not know

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much about business, but I do know that when a
phone rings, you answer it. So Sean answers the phone,
sliding into the empty desk chair. Corey begs him to
hang up, but Sean asks the person on the other end,
what are you yelling for? This throws Corey into an
even bigger spiral. Yell back, yell back, what kind of
advice is that?

Speaker 4 (21:59):
From?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Corey gives the worst advice.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
But it's so funny how the advice is just the
opposite of good advice every time.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's so funny too.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Can we think of another time so I was thinking
about this where I was thinking that the mobsters in
the restaurant, but another time where Corey is so out
of his element, where Sean is just the fish in
the water.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Because it's such a fun dya two.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Business Wise, it seems like Sean instantly takes to it,
and Corey is just not only lost, but the advice
he's giving where trusts.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Such a good sea It's so so funny, Sean continues.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
If you were supposed to have it today and it's
not there, don't you think we have a very good reason?
And then a tall businessman approaches as Sean continues to
reason with the person on the other line, eventually coming
to an agreement for a month day delivery. Sean hangs
up and the hovering man in a suit asks who
he is. Corey butts in his name is George Feeney.
Sean confidently tells the man he's Sean Hunter Works that

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he programmed. In turn, he asks the well dressed man
who he is, and he responds Tom Morris, vice president
Keller Marsden Advertising. He overheard the phone call and he
liked the way Sean handled Becker. Turns out his tempt
didn't show up today and he could use someone like Sean.
Sean tells him he works in the mailroom with Corey,
but Tom insists he wants him upstairs. He glances at
Corey completely unamused and has absolutely nothing to say. He

(23:33):
before walking into his office, Sean has a huge grin
after only two hours in the mailroom, he's moving up.
Corey tries to hide his disappointment. Do you remember anything
about that guest star writer?

Speaker 2 (23:45):
I don't remember filming this episode at all. I was
gonna say, you remember this set? Nothing?

Speaker 4 (23:49):
The set was really deep, yeah, I mean that's the
one thing I noticed, is it's right now, we did
not and I mean really deep set.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, I don't. It's it's you know, it's funny that
I don't remember this at all.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
It's so strange, like I think because it's a new sets,
like I wasn't as comfortable. I don't know, but this
one is a complete blank for me. And you know,
I will say my my criticism of the episode is
my energy level. Like I'm I feel like Ben and
I are actually kind of low energy.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
There's something was going on.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
I can tell, like I can read between like either
we were not having a good time where we were
upset about something or maybe we weren't happy with each other.
But until the last scene, I felt like we weren't
connecting or something was happening.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
That's like deep cut. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
I don't know if anybody else would have noticed, but
I am like pulling my punches just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
I think maybe I was just tired. I don't know
if something's happening.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
It's funny because I'm you're I'm sure you're right, because
you know by looking at it you can tell yourself.
But it plays, at least as the episode goes on,
it plays like you are taking the job seriously, and
so you're becoming more. You're becoming less a high school
student and more somebody who's in an office environment.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Is how I read it.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
But as an actor, I can see you being like,
oh no, I was just low energy.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Well, you know how, there's always the.

Speaker 6 (25:02):
Moment when you see Ben and me acting together where
it looks like we're going to break, and we can
always tell that there's nowhere near that in this whole episode,
So think about that.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
But I also think some of it played I mean
to me because I did notice that. But it also
plays like the tension of the episode sure spilled over
into there being some sort of tension between you two.

Speaker 6 (25:25):
Yeah, I have no idea, but there's clear I can
tell that something was going on, Like I don't know,
and I don't remember what it was, but I'm like,
why am I not like fully committing?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Why am I not having any fun?

Speaker 6 (25:34):
I can tell I'm not having any fun, and I
can tell with Ben, I don't think he's having fun either,
And I'm not sure why.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Well, something was going on.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Well, then we're in the Matthew's kitchen. Amy and Eric
are at the kitchen table. Amy is intently watching a
tiny little TV until Eric turns it off. Where's the
living room? Must have been replaced with the mailroom.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Because the living room TV is right through that one, right,
the regular right?

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Really, why couldn't the scene take place in Well, because
it was probably the mail.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
And not only it's the mail room or it's the college.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, we had a bunch of the living room and
I don't know. Have we seen the living room in
season five?

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Let's see, Yes, the date, the date with the purse?
You we had the girl that Debbie right.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Two weeks ago? Yeah, interesting, it's got to be.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Gone because why other word, whyouldn't you guys be sitting
on the couch? It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, you know what is that like for thinking about
like realism?

Speaker 3 (26:30):
It totally did.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
It bothered me that they just I was like, why
are you watching it in the kitchen?

Speaker 4 (26:35):
It is Those were the best, by the way, if
you could have a little TV to take with you somewhere,
oh you.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, if you had seven thousand extra dollars to spend
on a mini TV back.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Then, Ira right.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
I have no, not always, because when I traveled I
actually bought I still have it, of course, the first
ever portable TV DVD player Combo.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh wow. It was like you have to hook this
like a little tery the back. I remember you brought
it to Amsterdam. It was a big deal. I always
die and like it would die in like a half
an hour. You could barely get exactly.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
But I was on an airplane at the time where
you pull that thing out, and you were, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Naked ladies are awesome. Naked ladies are awesome.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
So, Eric explains, I just feel that a woman like
you should be out doing something productive. Amy counters, what
do you call raising three children? Eric admits, done, hatched raised.
He decides to give Amy the same wisdom she bestowed
upon him. There's a whole big world out there. You
got to be a part of it, young man. Amy
smiles and begins to say, well, there is always one

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thing I've wanted to try. Eric promptly cuts her off.
Don't care, just go do something. Amy obliges and leaves
the kitchen. Immediately after she's gone, Eric grabs the TV
and turns it back on. He shouts to the characters,
she doesn't love you, Victor. Then what happened to the
gallery job? Or you know the sprick split level on
Oak Street?

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Like do we still own the Wilderness store?

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Right? I don't know if we still have the store.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
What's happening seems very odd to me that it's just yeah,
she does nothing, she's she does nothing now?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
And then is.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
That he's watching soap operas because he's unemployed. So there's
something about like feminine unemployment soap opera like that's the world.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
That's yeah, that's pathetic and it needs to be fixed exactly,
that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I mean, there are a couple of jokes Eric makes
about the lint dryer.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
And there's a story behind that. By the way, Oh really.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Till we get to it.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Wait until we get to it. Then we're back in
the advertising agency. We are upstairs. Sean is wearing a
Britney Spears esque headset, sitting comfortably in the mister Morris

(28:58):
assistant chair. He's careful examining a sheet of paper when
Corey walks up, accompanied by his mail cart. Corey asks
how he's doing, and Sean says, it's a little crazy,
but he's handling it. Mister Morris even gave him a
little assignment for a toothpaste account. He wants to know
what teenagers are looking for. And I love this Sean,
where he can immediately turn into a professional of anything.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
I mean, Sean would be a great executive, by the way,
great executive.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Quick. I know what people want and how to sell them. Yeah,
I mean, it's it's it's Chet, It's chit. It's the
best of CHET.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
The being able to adapt to anything quickly is the
is the best possible thing you can take from CHET.
So Corey answers, easy bacteria, I just saved your job past.
Sean counters I was thinking fresh breath is sexy. Corey
cuts him off. No, Sean, okay, sex does not sell.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Sex does it? Sex does not sell And the inmates
in the audience really like that joke. Everybody laughs.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Focus on the bacteria, the ginger of ittis, the teeth
falling out.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Sean's not sold.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I've kissed a lot of girls, and I've got to
say I'm a breath man.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Which I love. Corey scoffs. This is the business world.
I know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Just then, mister Morris summons Sean into his office for
the toothpaste pitch. Sean walks to the door and hesitantly
looks back toward Corey. Corey emphasizes bacteria that Sean heads inside.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
I thought, now, see, this is where the show took
me in a that did one of these because I
thought Sean was going to listen to Corey's advice and
it was going to be bad, and so I love
that he ended up. We find out he stood up
for himself and stuck to his guns. I thought they
were going to go with, well, maybe Corey's right and
I should do that, and then he was going to
ruin his chances.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
And I love how Sean stood on his own two feet.
I thought that was great. Right.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Well, then we're back in the Penbrook classroom. Jack walks
into class and takes a seat right next to Eric.
Eric says, sorry, buddy, this seat saved for Monica. Jack
rolls his eyes. What happened to bridget? Eric explains she
found out about Monica.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Jack switches seats and the girls were back.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Jack switches seats, and then we see Amy Matthews walk
into the classroom. She's wearing a backpack and she's hesitantly
walking around the room. She gets eerily close to a
woman asking if the seat next to Eric is taken.
She is very closet. She didn't know if she was
likedt or she was like an assaulter. I had no

(31:38):
idea what was happening, but wow, she's close. And then
Eric does a double take mom and Amy is surprised
to see him too. Eric asks what she's doing here?
Is he in trouble? Amy shakes her head, no, I'm
in creative writing. Eric's confused, but this is creative writing.
Amy had no idea. This was Eric's class, but it
was his idea for her to get back out there

(31:59):
in the world. So she is maybe they can all
get lunch together afterwards, she offers. Jack smirks. He tells
Eric his mom is like so cool. Eric is not
having this. He tells Amy, when I said get back
in the world. I meant like the mall, so the
first one of those yikes moments from Eric.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
But yeah, it's your mom. You know, it's like your
mom stuff, right, mom things. Yeah. Amy's in creative shopping.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, but that's mom stuff, eating laundry, fluffing pillows.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Amy's in creative writing because she always wanted to write
and her son's words really inspired her. Eric puts on
a very fake smile, pretending he's happy for her, but
he won't allow her to sit in the seat next
to him because it's saved for Monica. Amy nods he
won't even know she's there. Then Monica walks in and
happily takes her seat next to Eric Eric. Amy immediately interjects,
you must be Monica. Then she leans over and gushes

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to Eric she's really pretty. Monica smiles, asking Amy who
she is, while Eric covers his face and slouches in
his seat. Amy introduces herself as Eric's mother, then reminds
Eric to sit up straight. We're back in the advertising
building in the mailroom to.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
Point out, you remember how we talked about the Dan
Harmon story wheel, about how a character wants something and
then they get it.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
And then they pay a huge price for it.

Speaker 6 (33:17):
This is a perfectly executed Dan Harmon story wheel for
both Eric and Corey. The opening scene, Corey is saying, Sean,
just take your take the work study seriously, seriously. So
Sean takes it seriously. Corey gets what he wants and
then has to pay the price for it, which is
he doesn't get it. It's Sean, and he has to
come to terms to that. Here, Mom, you need to
get out in the world, go do something, gets what

(33:38):
he wants. Oh, now pays the price for it, and
it's just it's perfect story telling, and you're just like right,
it works every time.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, you're right to Peg is dressed very professionally as
she sits in the mail room with Corey talking about
her experience with the work study program.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
The senator told me he really liked what I said.
Now it's gonna be long. I love that line.

Speaker 7 (33:58):
Law.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
You also look like a newscaster like you. It looks
just like it.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Also, I think I was I feel very inspired by
like Ali McBeal, you know, like the.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
With the puffy hair but with also a short skirt. Yep, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
So Corey tries to relate why here in the mail room.
I suggested that we start using self adhesive stamps to
Panka smiles, asking what they said. Corey sighs, yeah whatever
to Panka assures him he's gonna work his way out
of the mailroom. Broccoli lover Phil walks in. Don't bet
on it. Panga asks who that is, and Corey says,
my boss. To Panka worriedly asks where Sean is. I

(34:39):
hope you're looking out for him. He really looks up
to you. She kisses him goodbye, and Corey turns to Phil.
Isn't she cute?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Phil nods like a young Nancy Sinatra.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Sean walks in and Corey is shocked to see him
back in the mailroom. He tries to comfort him. They
shouldn't have put you in a job you weren't ready for.
Sean tells him I pitched my sexy breath idea and
mister Morris liked it. Corey shocked he liked it. Sean nods, yeah,
I guess you're not the only one with good ideas,
and he walks away.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Corey turns back to Phil.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
I don't get it. All he did was pick up
a phone. Phil asks if it was ringing. Corey says, yeah,
Phil shakes his head. He's a smart kid.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
It's got It's good. This whole thing has a very
secret of My success kind of vibe like Fox movie.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yeah, which totally they're right from the mailroom to the
corporate ladder like one day.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I'll say too. I love
the length of all of these scenes. Yeah, they were
never long enough that I got bored of this, of
being in it. It was like the right amount of
time to get the information out of it, to get
a couple of great laughs, and then we were moving on.
Like the story just kept like it. It kept moving
the whole time.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
It didn't lack it moved the entire time. Everyone was likable,
people were funny.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
It was good. It was just a good sitcom episode.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, I loved it. Then we're back at Penbrooke. We're
in creative writing. Eric is presenting a piece in front
of the about almost getting run over by a semi truck.
In the end, the class of lauds the piece and
the teacher announces Amy is up next.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
I had that sweatshirt that I was wearing, that that
gray shirt. Yeah, until I don't know a year or
two ago. Wow, And that was the one that was
just all the holes from from cigarette ash. I mean
I think I brought that to Amsterdam, like that was
a go to sweater for Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
So yeah that right when that popped up, I was like, oh,
there's my sweater. I might need that back. eBay, good,
I see if you could find the one with the holes. Yes.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Amy nervously introduces her work as a young married woman.
Eric laughs as he tells Jack, Oh, great, a thousand
words on dryer lint.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Okay, so what's the story.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
The story was there was we kept I had now
officially gotten to the point where if I didn't like
a line or or I thought we could do better,
I would go up to my in the writer's and
I say, do you think we could beat this? And
so there was a bunch of other lines that they
had there and Michael, Michael, to his credit, was always like, yeah,
of course we can beat anything. So we kept throwing

(37:11):
things out. Nothing was working, so I went, I'll just
I'll make something up.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I'll make something up. And Blutman's like, wait, you're just
gonna make something up? And I went, yeah, no problem.
So I threw in dryer lint. Wow. Everybody laughed, and
Bluckman came up and he went all right, yeah, that
was better than anything we did.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
And then I heard it last night and I was like,
it was funny because the word, like the sound and
word of dryer lint is funny. But then I thought
the same thing where I was like, wow, they are
just making her the mom.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
I didn't help the situation.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Moms don't have anything to do in shop and do laundry.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I don't remember what the line was, huh, I don't.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
I have no idea what it was, but I remember
because I remember them laughing and Bluckman going.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Up going like, yeah, you beat it, Okay, you beat
our line.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
And that was one of the first times where I
just threw something out. But I forget what they'd had,
but yeah, it was yikes.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Amy begins to read the was over. I was nineteen
and about to embark on a new life. She goes
into the first few moments of her honeymoon, and Eric
immediately realizes what's happening. He plugs his ears to block
the story. La la la, and then we're back in
the advertising building. Upstairs, Corey is with his mail cart
handing out mail to salesman. A phone starts to ring
at Sean's empty desk, so Corey seeses his opportunity and

(38:21):
answers the phone. He explains to the person on the
other end of the phone that they were going to
send it today.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Now do you think they did it?

Speaker 6 (38:26):
Do you think they gave him the headset because of
Ben's phone acting it's act.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Did you notice that this, He answers the phone. Now,
they could have gone either way, but they gave.

Speaker 6 (38:36):
The Yeah that is this like I love him, like
you know, being Yeah, it's a perfect before.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I love the way they changed what you had said
just enough to make it go from great to terrible,
Like when you said, don't you think we had a
good reason, it's because it wasn't great and we're not
gonna send you something it's not great.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
And instead he goes, well, it's because it wasn't good.
It wasn't good. It just admits that we.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Came up with something terrible amazing. He fully panics as
the person yells at him. Tom Morris has witnessed the
entire phone call, the entire failure of a phone call.
Cory yells hello, Hello, the person has hung up. Tom
Flatley asks who that was. Corey stutters that was mister
Davis from Brock Toys. As he tries to push his

(39:22):
mail card away. Tom stops him. What did mister Davis want?
He said something about moving his account to another agency.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Why don't I do a lunch run? Huh falafful falafel.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Sean has now returned to his desk and Tom tells
him to get Davis back on the phone, completely disregarding Corey.
Corey tries to get a word in, but mister Morris
tells him maybe this isn't the right place for you. You
better pack your things. A devastated Corey asks mister Morris
what he's supposed to do, and he bluntly tells Corey
not everyone's cut out for the business world. Sean somberly
tells his friend, I'm sorry as he follows mister Morris

(39:55):
back into his office. Great scene, Yeah, it's all good,
and we're in Matthew's kitchen. Corey, now in a robe,
is eating cereal as he intently watches All My Children. Oh,
Susan Lucci, how do you not win an Emmy?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I think, by the.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Way, that's the same green robe that I was in eating.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Coco puffs, right, good looking guy. Yeah, so I think
they had in exactly the same rope, which is the
same robe. Then they've just one robe Matthew's house that
exactly whoever's eating cereal? Where's this robe? Where's a sad
green robe?

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yep Alan walks in and jokes, someone looks like they
just got canned from work study. Corey nods I did.
Alan takes a seat next to his son and reminds
him that not every person is right for every job.
Corey scoffs, I know, but I was supposed to be
the one to succeed, not Sean. Everyone knows that. Alan
points out that Corey should be giving Sean more credit.
He should be happy for him. And I thought Rusty's

(40:49):
performance here was so perfect because the way he delivers
the line has slightly more disgusted than empathy. And I
thought that was perfect because because there was a little
bit of like shock from Alan about the fact that
his son had just disregarded Sean so much, And I
thought that was the perfect way to play it. That

(41:09):
was like a little more like ew, that's a really
crimp to say about your friend, and you should be
happy instead of like, oh, I feel so bad for you.
I thought his performance was just perfect.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Well, they've also really established that Rusty was Sean or
could have been Sewn, So it's that kind of Hey,
that's great. You're looking at your friend and saying you
don't think they could succeed. And he probably saw his
you know, going through right like him. Rusty did all
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
He had all the backstory for everything, so I'm sure
he did that whole thing.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
So Corey insists he is happy for Sean, but what
about him? If he doesn't get into the business world,
the future of this country will look very bleak.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Did it bump anybody at all?

Speaker 4 (41:51):
That Corey has never once mentioned wanting to be a
business person.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
It was always he I know the media like a journalist.
It seems like they dropped it really quickly.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
So yeah, Alan tells him to stop putting so much
pressure on himself. Corey has to know he will end
up doing just fine, and Sean walks in wearing the
leather jacket.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Corey asks what he's.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Doing here, and Sewan explains, Oh, I was just having
lunch with mister Davis from Brock Toys.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
What exactly did you.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Say to him. Corey doesn't want to talk about it.
He excuses himself to go take a nap, and Sean
stops him. He has news that could cheer him up.
He talked to Morris and he agreed to let Corey
come back to the agency. Corey is ecstatic. Sean holds
up a bag, but you need to take a drug
test first. I think you're a little wound.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
So funny great.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
I also love how, for some reason, you are now
to the point of the company where you're having lunch
with one of their biggest clients, he of the vice president.
You're now being sent to these major meetings.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I liked that it seemed as though because then when
he says that I talked to Morris, it made me
feel like Morris brought him along, like Morris was having
lunch with bro.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Wasn't just like they sent Sean alone. Sean part of
the man.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I'm in the room, So Corey enthusiastically says, they want
me back, and then we do an optical flip.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
We're at the Keller Marsden advertising agency. Upstairs.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Corey is now dressed in a custodial outfit and he's
emptying trash bins. Phil is pushing the mail cart behind him.
Corey complains, this has got to be a mistake. I'm
supposed to be an executive making important executive decisions. Phil
assures him, you will. Now here are the deodorizers for
the toilets. You decide how many to put in each one.
I'll give you a hint, give.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
You a less than two. Less than two.

Speaker 6 (43:37):
Janitors really figure prominently like sort of just the lowest
tier but still noble job that, like our writers could
kept returning to. Yeah, and the fact that we don't
reference it like that, Corey and Sean don't bring that up.
We did a whole episode literally about Shawn's dad becoming
a janitor and then coming to respect that.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Yes, it's also being janitor, Bud fired janitor episode.

Speaker 6 (44:05):
Yeah, it's the most thankless but still noble job. And
that's what our character, that's what our show. The trope
that our show keeps coming back to is the janitor.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Corey decides he won't do it. The work study program
was supposed to prepare him for life. What's the lesson
in this? Phil states, The lesson is that you do
whatever they ask you to. Do and you do it
as well as you can. He tells Corey he's a
good kid and begins to walk away, but he stops himself. Oh,
don't take the toilet paper. They check cars. Bill is
killing it.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
He's killing it. He's killing it without ever doing it.
He makes no inflection on anything ever, and h every
joke out of the park.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
It's so funny. Great.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Corey is clearly disappointed. As he goes on with his
new job, he runs into Sean. He asks Corey why
he's dressed as a janitor, and Corey returns with a question,
you tell me, Sean thought they gave him his old job.
Back in the mailroom, Corey notices the poster Sean is holding.
It's the toothpaste campaign. Sean holds up a pick sure
of a beautiful smiling girl and we see got toothpaste
written across her bare chest. Corey's eyes, Well, looks like

(45:07):
I was wrong. Sex does sell. Mister Morris pops his
head out of his office. I spilled my coffee. Sean,
you want to get that guy to clean up the mess.
Cory sadly jumps in, I'm the guy, and then we
are in Eric Jack and Shawn's apartment. Jack and Amy
walk in on Eric and Monica making out on the couch.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
I did not think I had another I thought my
kissing scenes were over for boys old. I did not
remember having another kissing scene this entire time. So yeah,
it was strange to see that again, like oh, oh, geez,
work making out of.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
The watch making out. They quickly pull apart, and Monica
says hi to Amy. Eric is startled Amy. Her name's
not Amy, it's missus Matthews. He wants to know what
they're doing here. Jack explains he was having trouble with
his writing assignment, and Amy offered to help. Jack says
he can't stop thinking about the last paper she wrote.
Eric shouts, that's because it was smut. My lips quivered.
It was filth, squeamy, filth. That's so funny. Monica reminds

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Eric that the teacher gave her an a. Amy thinks
he'll really like her next paper too, and she pulls
it out of her backpack. Eric quickly takes it. An
evening in Cape cod Ha. He's relieved. This is more
like it. He reads the first line about Amy quivering
near Alan, don't you do anything but quiver. He reads
on and gasps, oh my god, you do.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
So great.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Eric has had enough. College is my time. You shouldn't
be here. You should be at home raising your kids.
They're not done yet. Amy counters, I've been a mother
and wife for most of my life and I've loved it,
but I need to be more.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
She losts toward the door. Hue jobs at least I know, yeh,
little retcon. What's a little retcon at this one? You know?
She walks towards the door and stops. Betsy, your best
episode in like two seasons.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Well, I wonder how we need to have her back
to talk about it, because I want wonder how relieved
she was to a story, to have a real storyline.
And I wonder if she had brought it up or
if they surprised her with it. I want to know
what the reaction was.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
We need to remember that.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Her and I having to talk about how much just
fun it was to just work together again, because anytime
it was it was Eric and Amy. We had a
great dynamic and they were kind of going for that.
At one point where.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
We had a couple episodes we did stuff together and
then we just kind of stopped working together, so it
was fun to come back and just be with Betsy again.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
It was really great. She walks toward the door and stops.
If you're uncomfortable with that, then you're right, I shouldn't
be here. And then we're back in the Matthew's kitchen.

(47:50):
This is some of Bill daniels greatest work.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Okay, ever in the history. I watched it. I watched
it three times. I watched it three times, I know.
I called Indy over and I said, Indy, do you
see this? Do you see that?

Speaker 6 (48:04):
You He doesn't say an intelligible word and tells you
the entire story. You know exactly what he's reading from
to be and all he's doing is sign and and
oh my god, I just can't.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I could not believe it.

Speaker 6 (48:20):
I watched freaking genius and he gets a laugh on
every one.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
He gets a laugh every time. I'm so glad we
are all thinking it's one of the great men ever.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
It shows one of its truly, it truly is one
of the best Bill Daniels acting moments I've seen read.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
And that's saying it shows that.

Speaker 6 (48:40):
It shows the specificity of his imagination and his ability
to convey that specificity.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
It's not generic.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
You feel that he's very specific about each one of
those beats, and you know in the script it was
just oh whatever, And yet he found ways to tell
the whole story.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Look at the end when he's just like m M
and laughing, like satisfied and tells the three act stories.
He tells a three act stories. He switches the page
and then he's just like, okay, so it So, I
think the story is about Reginald Fairfield in.

Speaker 7 (49:15):
Your writing about now you think you're oh yeah, I mean,
I mean you're thinking Reginald is you know, they're you know, swinging.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
It was the time.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
It wasn't even called swinging yet because they weren't married.
They were just they were just it was just the
sermons and they were just in love.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
It's it's so good.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
So Phoene is sitting next to Amy reading her creative writing.
He's giving her animated ms and o's as he reads
through it. He finally finishes, adding adding a final you
have to watch it immediately, watch it, watch it over,
watch it again, so then before you turn it off,
go back and watch it.

Speaker 6 (49:54):
I don't know if I've told the story the but
Bill Bill told me, you know, because I discovered the
work of Edward all Be the playwright, and of course
Bill Daniels originated one of Edward Albey's most famous plays,
The Zoo Story.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
So when I read it while I.

Speaker 6 (50:08):
Was in school and found out that Bill did it,
and so I got to talk to him about it,
and he tells this story about how.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
They're first.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
So The Zoo Story is an amazing play, and it's
two characters on a bench and the one character is
sitting there reading the newspaper and he's like the sort
of a button up conservative guy, and the other character
is sort of this unhinged and he comes up behind
him and says, I've been to the zoo. And that's
the first line of the play. And they don't know
each other as strangers, and.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
He gets a laugh, and why are they laughing?

Speaker 6 (50:36):
Exactly so Bill, But what Bill did is he just
looked up from the newspaper when the guy says I've
been to the zoo, and Bill's reaction got a huge laugh.
And then the guy says another line and Bill tilted
his head and got a huge laugh, and he said
that Edward, I'll be freaked out and ran backstage afterwards
and was like, why are they laughing?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Why are they laughing?

Speaker 6 (50:56):
And Bill was like, because the honesty is funny. Like there,
I can't control. I'm just that's how my character would react,
but you can. I guess this moment made me think
of that story because Bill's ability to play the reality
but be so specific and pull you into his internal
life like it's just it's a true genius actor like

(51:19):
that can do that with a look or with a moan.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Or whatever he does.

Speaker 6 (51:22):
He just like, oh, you know everything that he's thinking,
and it's just it's complete transparency and openness and it's
not it's not like performative in any way. It's not
like figuring out how his face is going to be
or a sound.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
It's just living truly in it. And it's so it
pulls you into him. It just pulls you through. It's
he's so brop. We also, we worked with him every day,
and so I think we took for granted just how
talented he is.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Yeah, because you do you see these moments and you go, oh, right,
working on a totally different level, totally just I mean brilliant, brilliant,
literally brilliant.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
So Amy asks what he thinks, and Phoenie says it's
some of the most provocative fiction I've ever read. Amy
admits it's all true. George, he gets wide eyed and says, oh, dear,
fifty shades of Amy.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Yeah, well, you see, it sounds like she could write
those kind of you know what, let's just say, the
books where they use the word throbbing.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
A lot.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Of those romance novel writers.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
She has a lot of talent, and Vienie makes sure
to clarify as a storyteller. Hey, Amy says it doesn't
matter anyways, because she's dropping the class. Eric shouldn't have
to be embarrassed by having his mother there with him.
Eric is now standing on the stairs. He's been listening
the whole time. You don't have to do that, Amy.
She asks why he's calling her Amy, and he coldly responds,
because that's your human name. And that was a big

(52:46):
laugh in my house.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
She's human name is unbelievable, and.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Your delivery of it so like because like, like you're
so proud of yourself for recognizing that she's a human.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I just it's your human because that's your human name.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Eric read her paper and realized She's more than just
a mother and a housewife. She's also a really good storyteller,
and she should come back to class and keep writing.
Amy grins, I mean so much coming from Eric. She
gives him a big hug, and he reveals more good news.
Your paper was so good, and I was so proud
of you. I sent a copy to Grandma. Amy gasps.
Mother Phoe chimes in, oh dear, oh dear, so good,

(53:30):
so fue perfect turn. Also, I'm back to think it
perfect length of scene. Ready to go back and ready
to move on to something else. Eric, Jack and Sean's apartment.
The elevator doors open to reveal Corey and too Panga,
who is holding a bouquet of flowers. At first, Corey
doesn't leave, but to Pega drags him out. She realizes
it's awkward for him to be doing so much better
than Sean. But this dinner has been planned for a

(53:52):
long time, and I wondered, is Corey actively lying to
her about her doing better or is Topanga making a
lie the assumption.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
I think to Panka's making assumptions because Corey actually says
in that previous scene, he says he's upstairs and the
way Ben delivered it was like he was ready to
tell to Panga the truth and then to Panga just
moved on and you're taking care of him, right, and
so I think he's just letting. Yeah, that was an
intentional thing that I think they left it so that
it was And the way Ben delivered, it wasn't like

(54:21):
he's upstairs. It was like he was about to say
the truth. And so I think that, Yeah, I think
it's smart because if if Corey were actively lying, yeah,
that's like, yeah, yeah, that sucks.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Ya assume just like Corey assumed he would do better.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Right, right, So they won't talk about work. Just then,
Angela and Sean answered the door, and Corey and Sean
greet each other awkwardly. Sean nervously says he's happy that
Corey came. Corey defensively asks why wouldn't he come? He
was invited over for dinner. He's there for dinner. Where's
his dinner? Sean suggests they all eat, but then the
phone rings.

Speaker 6 (54:57):
I noticed the progression of me to advertising was tucked
in shirts with.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
A belt, not in shirt with a belt. Not a
great look for me. Actually, really, yeah, I don't think the.

Speaker 6 (55:07):
Tucked in shirts working with the giant pants.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
It was advertising.

Speaker 6 (55:12):
But it's so funny because I actually I would be
wearing like a suit and tie, right, or like a
shirt and tie. But we had just done the episode
where Angela said don't ever win, so I think they
couldn't do that, so the only alternative was just having
me tuck in my shirts.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, I liked it. I thought it was elevated.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I thought it was good that it was like, they're
not going to expect a high school student who's there
for work study to go buy a suit, but you,
on your own are going to start dressing for the
job you want and just elevate your own style ever
so slightly. And yeah, I actually I liked it, and
I thought you looked I thought you looked fabulous.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
The phone rings to Panga asks if Sean's going to
answer it, and Sean mentions, it's just the facts.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Corey notes, oh, they gave you a fax.

Speaker 6 (55:57):
Okay, are we going to talk about did you guys
notice the picture.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
With broccoli on it? You bet your idea if broccoli,
of course changed what was going on, I'm telling you.

Speaker 6 (56:08):
So it was an in joke that we had no
idea was every week they're changing every week?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Who was doing this? We have to meet David Glaciers.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
It's Glasier or somebody in the art department has this
in joke of changing the picture of.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Food every week. Every week. It's hysterical and we never noticed.
What are they coding? What are they saying? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
I sure do love it, and I and none of
us remember it. But I do wonder if, like maybe
we were aware of it at the time.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
That's what I thought too, was like, did you know
this happening and talk about it?

Speaker 6 (56:40):
Maybe because we were We knew about the lobster, we
knew about some in jokes, we knew about like many of.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Us would have noticed that every changing the posters. We
wouldn't notice that.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Somebody wouldn't. I think if somebody said that.

Speaker 6 (56:53):
It was, if somebody said there was something they were
doing intentionally we would know about. It would be like
an ongoing thing that we would be, Oh, what's this week? Yes,
think about it?

Speaker 2 (57:01):
How often we knew? Like stuff was? I think they
were doing it completely secretly.

Speaker 6 (57:05):
And I'm wondering why I want to know what they
were trying, Like, were they just trying to get away
with it and see if anybody notice.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
I don't know. I'm so curious.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Yeah, I reached out to Mark Pebson. He did not
write me back. So yeah, we might we might need
to reach out to David Glazer.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Tapanga asks Cory why they didn't give him a fax.
Corey says, at my level, they don't fax you.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
You just know. Then we hear a new ring.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Corey asks where it's coming from, and Sean nervously passes
his cell phone to Angela. It's nothing. Angela explains that
the company gave it to Sean. To Pega smiles, good
for you, Sean. Angela mentions they also gave him a
credit card. Corey's had enough to Pega can't believe all
the things Sewn has received from the job.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
What have they given you, Corey?

Speaker 1 (57:49):
He takes a giant key ring out of his pocket
to Pega says they look like janitor's keys, and Corey
says that's because they are. I'm a janitor. It's all
out in the open now. He looks at Sean, I
hope you're happy. To Pega remindin him there's nothing wrong
with being a janitor. Sean assures Corey that he never
wanted any of this to happen, but it did, and
he really wants to enjoy it. Corey responds, no one's
stopping you. Sean pushes back, I can't enjoy this because

(58:11):
of what it's doing to you, Corey yells, because it's
killing me. All my life. You're the one that messes up,
and I'm the one that cleans up after you. That's
the way it's always been. Shawn agrees, for the first time,
I'm doing something on my own and it feels really good.
Corey sighs, it's supposed to feel good. You did great,
I guess for the first time. I'm just jealous of you,

(58:32):
and I love this turn for Corey.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Not staying in the selfish place for too long. It's
just so good. Tapanga begs Corey to stop putting so
much pressure on himself. Everyone knows he's going to be fine.
Corey apologizes to Sean for underestimating him. He's really proud
of him. Sean admits he's proud of Corey too. Corey
asks for what, and Shawn smirks, you know. The executive

(58:56):
washroom on the thirtieth floor. I heard Keller say to
Marsden that it's never been cleaner. Corey gets a kick
out of this, smiling ear to ear that was me.
And then we're in the tag. We're at the Penbrooke
creative writing class. Monica asks Eric if he's okay with
his mom staying in the class, and he nods. He
and Amy had a little discussion and she agreed there
will be no more provocative stories about her and Allen

(59:18):
Jack says, I'm gonna miss those, especially the one in
the elevator. Monica nods in agreement, but Eric shouts ah
to make him stop. The teacher asks Amy if she'd
like to read her lead a short story, and she
happily makes her way to the front of the class.
She reads her latest title, A Mother's Struggle. Eric seems relieved.
She starts detailing Eric's birth, and the whole class groans

(59:39):
and covers their ears ew. Eric shouts back he's offended.
I really thought this was a great episode. I thought
everybody had everyone's storyline. It was smart, made sense. They
tied everybody together. I love that they were able to
bring the adults into the school college setting.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Poenne involved perfectly. Oh the guest stars were good. I
mean there was not. It wasn't a week link in
the episode. There really was no that was great. It
was really really wonderful. I will say so interesting. It's
it's so tight. It's kind of forgettable, Like do you
know what I mean? Like I didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
I don't like it's it's a classic sitcom episode in
that it has no connection to there's no serialization, right,
there's no like real edge. So in some ways it's
like a perfect episode, but it also is like just
a just a steady boy meets world episode, not like
one of those that we would ever put on a
top twenty list, even because it doesn't have that sort

(01:00:41):
of like like if our show had just been like
this for all seven seasons.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I don't think we would have this podcast.

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
I don't think we would have the follow we do
because we didn't, we wouldn't have taken many risks. This
is a very safe, well written, well executed, standard ninety
sitcom episode, which is just something to point out, like
that's like sometimes if you're too safe, if you're too tight,
if you're you know, okay, you did the thing, and
that's great, But some of the bigger risks that we

(01:01:09):
take that you know, we often point out to is
also part of the reason why our show is sure
great and lasted longer than a lot of other sitcoms.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
I do think part of it, though, too, is that
we have really set up the serialization of the relationships
on this show, and this one kind of like stops
taking a focus on that and instead of being about
you know, some conflict between Eric and Jack, or a
conflict between Sean and Jack, or I mean, we go

(01:01:38):
kind of back to the beginning, which is like some
conflict between the two best friends on the show, and
it doesn't have a focus on love or romance, and
so it's kind of in some ways it's it's probably
forgettable because it's not a part of those storylines we've
been really setting up. But Boy, I love the I
love the Boy meets World first season feel of the

(01:02:00):
lesson about you know, the world is big and scary
and what happens if all the assumptions I've made about
how my life are going to turn out don't come true? Right, So,
I don't know, I did enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I also love the lesson.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
It's a lesson that I think a lot of people
needed to hear at the time when you're especially when
you're that age about work where phil Lead says to him, He's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Like, what am I supposed to doing? Is you do
it you told and you do it to the best
of your ability.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
And that's that's that's a job, you know, no matter
what you're doing, do the best you can at whatever
you're doing.

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
Picking up on what you said, Danielle, I think like,
besides this moment at the end where Corey says, Sean,
you're the one that always, you know, messes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Up and I have to clean up for you.

Speaker 6 (01:02:41):
Yeah, every this entire script would work with completely generic
new characters. It's just a mother and son, mother and
a son and two best friends getting a work study.
You could actually have written this as a pilot for
a whole other show and it would still work exactly
the same, Which is interesting, right, That's that like lack
of serialization, lack of investment in the characters as specific

(01:03:01):
to the stories that we've established. I don't know, it
still works, it's still great. It's just interesting to note that, like, yeah,
sometimes those those big swings that Boy Meets World takes
are really is there even when they miss it's still
taking big swings, which I think is what helps our
show stand apart.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
I also think, though it does, it kind of lends
itself a little bit to the character arc and serialization
of Corey in them. This is the first time in
a while where the universe.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Is clapped back, yeah, where it's like, no, everything you
think is not That's not the way it works. And
sometimes it's going to be the exact opposite of what
you think is going to happen and you have to adjust.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
Not us, right, which is definitely season one right, yea, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Yeah, Well, thank you all for joining us for this
episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow
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