TGI – Episode 516 “Torn Between Two Lovers (Feeling Like a Fool)” - Pod Meets World

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
So you know, we both just took trips, well, Susan
and I took a trip, and I know, Rider, you
took a trip, and we were kind of in the
same part of the world. We did London and then
Scotland and the Cotswolds and just absolutely loved it.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
But we were starting to try to travel smarter.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
So one of the things that we've started to do
is we pack for half the trip and then in
one of the cities we find a fluff and fold
or a laundromat and we do all of our wash
so we have all of our kind of clean clothes
while we're thereat. So we found this great place in
Edinburgh and we dropped off our clothes and it wasn't
until I was walking away that I looked to Susan

(00:56):
and I said, what do you think their thing thinking
right now? As this grown man and woman just walked
in and left at least seven different pairs of superhero underwear.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
And and then you finally felt a pang of embarrassment.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
The first embarrassments not the right word.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's more about it on a podcast that you listened
to about thirty million people. So I was gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Faceness of it. Here's my Batman undies, so take ace
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
It was pride. It wasn't embarrassment. There was not. I
was good with my undies. But no, it's just the idea.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Like I stopped and I actually had the thought of
what do these people think? They said nothing when we
got went and picked it up, obviously, but I had
that moment of, you know, somebody said something to someone
had to oh yeah, because I mean, like the Captain
America underwear are bright blue.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
You literally don't own any non superhero underwear.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
No I do.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
They're just to be honest with you, the ones that
I have are so comfortable, like they're these they're these
great boxers. They make you feel super well. They give
it that extra where my power comes from. First of all,
we've talked about the Batman underwear have a utility belt,
so I can use that anywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
There's a number of places where that can be used,
especially on a trip.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
But yes, I had that moment of maybe this is weird,
and I came to my two best friends because I
know you're gonna tell me that it's not.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
And I'm totally normal for doing that. Correct.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
No, absolutely talked about you the minute left and they
went through your stuff, and they absolutely did.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I actually don't know how weird it is in general,
Like I mean, I don't maybe your underwear is a
private thing. So I feel like I kind of don't
care what anybody wears, Like I wouldn't judge any but
I just would never like I just want my underwear
to be so boring, like and I and since nobody's
really seeing it besides my wife, yeah, you know, like
I can't. I just don't care about my underwear. So
the fact that you care about your underwear is is

(03:06):
interesting to me. And like I just am not like that.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, I became a thing.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I don't know, it became like a thing, and then
it was a joke and then it was like, oh
I got to get these Batman underwear, and then they
were just comfortable right now.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I just like them.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I also destroy it, well didn't destroy it, but had
had a little bit of a problem with the car
while I was there. Oh, this sounds like a I
buried the lead. I buried the lead, if I'm honest.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
So we were drive.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
We took a train from London to Scotland and then
we got a car in Scotland. We rented a car
in Scotland to drive from Scotland to the Cotswolds, which
is like you know, like a six hour drive and
we were looking really forward to the drive. So the
company over the art was called europe Car, rented it,
they delivered it to the hotel.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
They went out of their way.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
They upgraded us to this beautiful little Mercedes with the
low profile tires I got. I think we were in
the car for twenty minutes before I was going around
road works. Came back too far because we're on the
wrong side of the car obviously, and over a curb
and shredded both the tires on the side of the
car at the same time. Soo, right, fifteen or twenty

(04:08):
minutes into our six hour drive. Oh no, So we
have to pull over in this store and we end
up having to call their equivalent of Triple A and
they're like, we can, we will be there sometime in
the next three hours.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
So Sue and I are.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Just sitting outside of Edinburgh waiting in the car and
the car is now tilted on the side because the
the both the things are shredded and it's just people
getting out going like you know your tires are shred ed.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's like, yes, yes I do. We're still here. You
know you can't. Did I even like that? Like yeah,
I know, thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
So then the company comes, this great guy named Patty,
this Irish guy comes and helps us out and he goes, essentially, look,
I'm going to put two new tires, like to the
run flats on the car to get you to the
tire shop. He goes, but the problem is with these
two tires you're looking for. You goes, it's going to
be at least a day if not to I know
of you waiting there to get these things done.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
And we're like, we have to go.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
We've got reservations at this great restaurant tonight.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Like what are we supposed to do?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
He goes, You're fifteen minutes away from the airport. Follow
me on the highway on these tires that are like
and he goes, we'll get you there and we'll see
if they'll just give you a different car. So we
got to the airport and got to the europe Car
place and they're like, oh, yeah, no you by I
did this by accident, but I guess I checked the
box for all insurance, like everything top to bottom. He goes,

(05:35):
you literally could have just returned with the door and gone, hey,
thank you very much, give me a new car.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
So I never do the insurance.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
No, get you, that's never do insurance. But that's.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
A dime.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
They threw us keys to a brand new car and
we went on our way.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
But what an experience.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
And sohow I'm also like, oh, no, you want have
insurance already and I usually card covers.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
You know, like there's never a reason to pay.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
That's how they get you.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, it worked, and I was like, yeah, thank And
it must have been because the concierge at the hotel
set the whole thing up for us, so he's like,
here's the price you pay. So as part of the
deal it was probably likely they got to get the
full insurance and thank god because I.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Had already gotten Yeah, you got it worked out.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, so it was great.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
And then and then driving in the Cotswaltz is the scariest,
most horrible thing in the history of the world.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
We're texting it, not while driving, but you were texting
us saying I just finished I'm about to begin the
most harrowing drive of my life.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
And because you were finished these tiny roads that are
too lane on the wrong side and trucks coming at
you and the speed limit is sixty.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh that sounds amazing, So it is that it was.
It's terrifying.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
I mean, we're doing it in the dark because we
were supposed to get there at like three o'clock in
the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
We didn't get there.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Told the hotel restaurant we were staying at was like
they kept the restaurant open just for us, and they
fed us at almost ten o'clock at night. The chef
stayed a place called the Wild Rabbit. It could not
have been more wonderful, but it was terrifying. And then
the next day we did it again because we drove
the Stonehenge and it was, by the way, totally right,
one of the best hinges I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Oh yesome good, Yeah, awesome Henge. But it was terrifying
driving there.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Was it interesting though, Like I mean, just hearing your
story about the flat tires, and I love that you
followed it up with like you know, you ended up
having like three or four interactions with people, something you
wouldn't have had otherwise. Yeah, And it's so funny that
those are the things that you remember. Like if I
think about the flat tires, I've had many flat tires
or problems with my car driving across the country. That's there.

(07:48):
They're actually you know, at the time they were the
worst experiences, and then of course now years and years later,
they're my favorite memories. Yes, because like the vacations where
everything went perfectly smooth, where like I didn't, I kind
of don't remember like they just could, you know, And
so it's so it's so interesting to just reflect on, like, right,
those times, as much as they kind of suck when
you're going through them. That is what travel is for.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Is that was actually great.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
The place where we had to pull over was this
like not even a gas station, but it had like
a an ARII kind of shop at the bottom, but
then a little convenience store next to that, and then
upstairs a tiny little restaurant where you can get make smoothies.
So soon I just got went up there, had a
little bit of breakfast, we waited, we talked to some
of the locals. It was it was great.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
And then this patty guy showed up.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Couldn't have been nicer, and you he totally said, to
the point where That night, when we got to our place,
we called the BAA company again just to say this guy,
I mean to the point where as we're driving from
where he fixed the tires to the airport, he had
our number and he called us to just make sure
he goes, I see you guys behind me. I just
want to make sure you feel comfortable, that the car

(08:53):
feels comfortable, that like went out of his way, and
so we called to make sure. We're like, we just
want you to know how this employee of yours was,
because it was. But you're right, it's That's the thing
we've been talking about ever since, was that experience, and
it was.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
It was a ton of fun.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Jensen and my entire trip to Thailand was one horrible,
most bonder and it's the reason I think we got married.
Literally it was one horrible day after one horrible day,
and we talk about it fondly once a week. I
have said I when we were there, I thought I
am never going I will never go to Thailand again.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
And now Jenson are like, should we go back to.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Thailand we live some of how awful?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yes, Well, just don't have me drive while we're there
and we're fueling.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
You know me, I like to drive everywhere. I will drive.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Welcome to Bond Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right
or Strong, and I'm Wilfordell.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
So today we are recapping season five, episode sixteen, Torn
Between Two Lovers.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Feeling like a fool A long title.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, I know what is it a reference to?

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Is it raise? A song from a nineteen seventy six
ballad from singer Mary McGregor, you know, everyone's favorite song
and nineties.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
They're like, that's a famous song. It's a famous song.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
It's like, these boots are made for walking, right, right, sure,
of course, exactly, We've all heard of these boots are
made for walking. I've never heard of Torn Between.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Two Lovers a fool? No, no, okay, okay.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
It originally aired February twenty seventh, nineteen ninety eight. The
synopsis Ski Lodge. Lauren travels to Philadelphia to see Corey,
causing the rift between him and Tapanga to come to
a head. While at school, Eric Proctor's for Phoene's citizenship class.
It was It was directed by Jeff McCracken. So it
seems like we're back into familiar names. Territory. It was

(11:03):
written by Matthew Nelson. Any overall thoughts before I jump
into our Guest Stars.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, just picking up on those last credits I was,
I was watching the episode. I didn't see that. I
just didn't look at the credits while it started. Yeah,
and by like halfway through, I was like, man, everybody's
performance is so good, Like everybody is so relaxed and
present and listening to each other in a way that
has kind of been lacking, or I don't know, it

(11:31):
hasn't always been lacking, like because obviously, like Rusty's episode
was so great, but there was something like I guess
maybe I mostly felt it with myself. I was like, man,
I am just in it, Like I am present in
a way for so much of the fish and relaxed, committed,
and I just had this warmth in this episode. And
then I was like, wait a minute, who directed this?

(11:52):
And I saw his mccrack and I went, that's it.
That's what I'm feeling. I'm feeling them a crack in
touch if just it was so cool to me that
that's that was my overwhelming sensation. I don't know how
I feel about the episode. It's very dramatic, very dramatic
in a way that I wasn't just I just wasn't
sure if it he needed to be and you know,
we can talk about it, but but that feeling, that

(12:13):
overwhelming warmth and comfort of McCracken was just it was
palpable for me.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, I thought the same thing, although I will say
there were a couple of camera moves weird and.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I liked you well, I liked him too, but.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
They were a little shaky, and I was like, do
we have a new piece of equipment? Like it almost
felt like we had a dolly for a while that
end we did.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
And we didn't have a dolly.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
That's a problems are just exactly those pres were moving
and they were Yeah, so because there were there were
I liked some of the creativity. I mean the way
that lot that first shot opened with the locker opened
and then we went from that side of the hallway
down and across to the couches. I thought that was
really interesting and super fun to see the camera move.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
In that way.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
But it it felt like, what's going on? Why does
it feel a little a little wobbly.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
There are a couple of strange cuts too, that were
a little odd, and I agree about the kind of
I think we might be getting into boy meets World melodrama,
Like we're starting to see where this is going. And
if you're okay with that, like you, if you now
realize and we just have to accept the fact that
the universe needs Corey and to Panga to be together,

(13:26):
and if you buy that premise, then it's the start
of the interesting Corey into pang A dynamic. If you're
not into we need to be together because we've been
together forever, then it's the start of some not great
stuff for people. I think is how most people.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Would look at it, because it is. It's very very dramatic.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
No Matt Lawrence, no Trina, which I thought was kind
of strange. Sean we still in.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
A way that's just unacceptable to me.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yes, senseless, because Sean's leading so much the charge here
and yet not conferring with his girlfriend after.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
That episode, saying things as if he never even has
has met her, saying things like after a long run
of meaningless.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Relationships, I may eventually want what you have.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Wait a minute, you mean what you've been saying for
episode after episode after episode that you definitely want what
we have, and not only that you found the person
you think you want it with, Like, how did you not?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
How is she not even mentioned? It's just about the
same thing it was.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
It was.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
They still are just making Sean who they need Shan
to be week by week and they still here going
over the same stuff, particularly since.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
This is serialized, Like the whole storyline only makes sense
after we've been to the ski lodge where we solidified
our relationship. It's like, it's so it's it's.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Really very frustrated. It makes me very, very frustrated because
I I, like you said, at first, I was like,
did we take a six month hiatus? Was there like
a long pause? Jensen's said right away, well maybe he
shout out of order, and I was like, it can't be.
It can't be because the old way, and he was
like ray right, It's like, yeah, what is.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
The reason for this?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
So anyway, we also look like I'm obviously in the
part of my career where I'm like I don't want
anyone to touch me with a makeup brush or anything.
I look like I've been dead for three weeks. No,
and they dug me up and put I was so pale.
I mean so pale in this episode. Yeah, I did
super super pale in this episode.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well it was guest starring.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
We have Jay Harik as Raju, the Lebanese character actor
studied in Chicago and would appear in a lot of
TV shows including Er, Malcolm in the Middle, twenty four,
Modern Family, and Frasier. And then we have Jolie Jakunas
as Svetlana. You may have seen her on two episodes
of Home Improvement, or in the Conan the Adventure TV

(15:48):
show or on Sport Night, but she appears to have
left the business in nineteen ninety eight, which is the
same year this show aired. And we have Marilyn Tokuda
as Men, another frequent TV guest star. She was seen
on Hill Street Blues, Magnum Pi, Magnum Pai, Magni Friends,
and Seinfeld, but she is probably most recognizable from a

(16:11):
five episode arc as Peg on Grey's Anatomy.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Now jumping into our recap.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
We start in John Adams High and we get the
aforementioned camera angle where Corey is standing behind an open locker.
Sean protests you and Tapanga can't be a part like this.
It's giving me a heart attack. Corey slams the locker
door shut. I didn't even do anything. I meet one
other girl, I talk to her and I get a
little thank you note. Already I'm furious.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Excuse me, what he's blowing it off this much? Excuse me?

Speaker 4 (16:43):
This is also against what he said in previous episodes. Yeah, like,
this is Corey's POV.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
This is Corey's pov. What about your lie? You did
not no responsibility for that at all. Nothing.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
He's so blowing it off where it's just like I
didn't do anything. It's I can't believe Topanga is.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
It's like I can't believe she's overreacting like this.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Oh, it makes me furious. Sean stops.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Lauren wrote him the most passionate love letter he's ever
read that didn't start with dear Sean, which I thought
was a very cute Sean thing to say, Corey can't
control what another person puts in a letter, and to
Pega knows that. He sits down on the blue couch
with a huff. Sean takes a seat next to his friend.
It's been raining for seven days. How do you explain
that Corey tries the scientific approach, but Sean provides his

(17:28):
real answer, it's raining because God is crying. I thought
immediately of right or.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Strong me too. I was like, oh, I can't see
where this is going.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Talk about the whole niverse.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Oh, full display.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
And it's like Sean actually says it out loud.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Okay, he created you and to Panga to be the
role model of the perfect couple for the entire universe.
And what I wrote was, oh my god, he said
to the part out loud, true, which is true.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
The part that's really frustrated about that is that's Cory's
point of view, right like and so, and now it's
become Sean's point of view, and I think it's going.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
To stay that way for the rest of the show.
And it really bugs me.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
And you know, this concept always bugged me, And now
I realized maybe it always bugged me because I actually
became the voice of it for so long.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
And I never liked it back then, Like this is
it's we get in Inkland too, that it's also Topanga's
point of view. Later when she says I thought I
was going to beat from the time I was a
little kid. I thought I was going to be with
you forever, Like, okay, I have a question, do either
of you remember in the first Girlfriend's Club? Does to
Panga give Corey the letter back because he never read it?

(18:48):
To Panga found it, Angela rips it open. The two
of them read it because she says she wrote the
most passionate letter. Did does she give it when she
checked him? When she checked him into the locker?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
She likes hands to them.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Okay, okay, So then I think at the end of
the scene is reading it and says the exact thing,
whatever it is. Yeah, he says something like that, So
yes he did. Then the bell rings and Corey tell
Sean t Bang is mad at me? What are you
so upset about? Sean admits, someday, after a slew of
meaningless relationships, it's possible that I'm gonna want what you have.
How can I want what you have if you don't

(19:23):
have it.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
I've already said we did this, I want with this,
and then realized I didn't want what Corey and Topanga have,
then decided I do want what Corey and de Panga have,
then made jokes about never wanting what Cory and Fanka have,
And here we are saying it as if it's a
gospel that I will.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Decided you do want it, and the way to do
it is to be more of a friend to Angela
so that you two can have it. Yeah, and now
it sounds as though you're actually like you've never met her.
You have it. You don't have a girlfriend or some
version of a girlfriend. Maybe you're on a bit of
a break, but that you really really care about It's
to me, it's like Angela erasure in the most like

(20:00):
unacceptable way.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
I don't, I don't doesn't make sense. Also, are you
going to college this week? I'm just curious, how do
you feel about college?

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Do you feel about college while you're so Corey gives
him a puzzled look, as I did also while watching this,
and Sean concludes, I want you to still have it.
Corey responds with the same answer. I didn't do anything.
I fell off a bus, I sat on a couch,
I talked to some girl. I didn't write that letter
and she kissed me.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Episode did he do? They changed the whole thing?

Speaker 4 (20:35):
God last and boy, I'll tell you what It makes
him unlikable.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Dessure does. Sure does.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Sean is disgruntled. A guy can do no better than
to Panga Lawrence. Corey Solomony solemnly nods I know that
Sean tells him to be at Chubby's after school. Then
we get a bit of an optical flip who Sean
is now?

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Actually, you could SWI wop our povs for this opening scene,
like completely swap line for line, and it would make
so much more sense if Sean was minimizing all he
did and trying to make him feel better, which is
kind of what a friend would do, and Corey being Corey,
is panicking and spinning out and being you know, like

(21:17):
that is.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Exactly our characters Like I would be like, it's.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Fine, You're gonna be okay.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
All you did was this.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
She'll come around, maybe she'll understand it. And he would
be saying we're meant to be together and I mess
that up. And then when Lauren shows up, it would
be even more heightened for Corey to say, well, actually,
maybe I should said oh.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
It could also just be it could be a great
turn for Corey and for Ben as the actor, and
it would be so Corey if it was something along
the lines of exactly what he says.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I didn't do anything.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
I fell off a bush, she kissed me, and then
he turns and goes, do I sound like I at
least believe myself. Yeah, like something like that where he's like,
he just keep saying it'll be normal, right, I mean,
like the neurotic kind of thing. None of that happened.
He kind of came off like a dick. Yeah, like
I didn't do anything. I can't even believe she's you know,
she'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
It was like, wow, women, Yeah, so so weird.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
So we have that optical flip to Sean, who's now
having a similar conversation with Tepega in the hallway. She's
reminding him he lied to me about staying up all
night with Lauren. Strike one. Sean shrugs, All they did
was talk to Pega continues, he lied to me about
kissing her. Strike too. Sean has a response, All they
did was talk and kiss, which is.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Very funny, very funny. But Tapega brings her point home.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
I read the letter. She's crazy about him. Sewn insists
that's only because Lauren knows what Tapega knows. A girl
can do no better than Corey Matthews. However, Topega's hesitant.
You're a good friend, and I think it's great what
you're trying to do for Corey. But and as soon
as she begins to walk away, Sean interrupts her, I'm
not just doing this for Corey. Tapega asks what And

(22:49):
the way I read it, the way Danielle said, Sean,
I really thought Topenga was mad at you, like I
thought Topega was mad at Sean. So when this turned
into a really cute little friendship moment between you or
between us, I was kind of I was shocked.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I was like, Danielle, we needed.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
To do a better read on Sean, like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
I just hated this scene for the beginning, from the
beginning because I was like, oh, we're finally talking to
each other. Yeah, and it just felt like Sean was
doing a bit, you know, and like not rather talking
to to Panka. So I was like, oh, I don't
like this. And I was like, maybe this is why
Danielle and I never got to work together, because we
just didn't work together well. And then when I had
that turn and I start being honest, I was like,

(23:30):
oh I love this relation. Yeah, it was. It was
like so fun and so for the rest of the scene,
I was like, thank you, thank you, because that opening
you really bumped me. I was like, Sean's saying the
opposite of what he had been saying, and he's just manipulated.
And then of course it was a performance, you know,
it was that, but I thought maybe it was supposed
to be kind of straightforward and that's where it was
going to live, and so, you know, it was great,
great writing that it turned. And then I was just

(23:51):
so happy with the two of us in this scene.
I was like, oh God, look we're actually listening talking.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Complaint was me with the way that I said what
and it was like it felt like, yeah, it felt
like what Topanga was thinking is, oh, I'm sorry. You
think you're doing me a favor by making by trying
to get me back together with the cheater, you know, like,
and instead it was this cute moment about our friendship,
which then made me love the scene. I would just
like to go back and do one more take for

(24:17):
myself where I say, what a different way?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
That's all a very expensive to do. I think it
should just live. Listen I can do if I do
a quick mini face lift and no, we can just.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Ai it right, take that scene.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Let's doings the.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Performance so Sean lets out an exaggerated groan before responding,
you're my friend.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
To Panga, You're one of.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
The two best people I know. To Pega smirks, who's first,
Sean smiles right.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Back, ANGELA, yeah, thank you that I know, not including
the woman I love and have decided is like I.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Didn't even think about it there this episode writer ezy
crazy crazy. So Sean smiles right back, he is, but
you and me are the two best things in his life.
To Panga asks again, who's first. Shawn earnestly responds you are.
To Pega smiles, and Seawan beggs, please let him tell
you that some girl named Lauren came on to him

(25:16):
and it was flattering, but it didn't mean anything and
he's never going to see her again for the rest
of his life.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Why does Sean say you are exactly like because he's
saying she She asks, oh, he's more important to Corey,
and he says to Wise.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Okay, got you. For some reason, I thought maybe Shawn's
life and why would she say? Is he just like
appeasing her to get her to do what he wants? Okay,
it's yeah, it's to Corey who's more important. To Corey
between the two of us, and he's you are so ta.
Panga asks where and Sean tells her where else. I hate.

(25:51):
I hate all this stuff. No, but like because I
work so hard with Indy all the time about because
he you know, I think it's natural to like make
a hierarchy of like friends and people in your life.
Like it's just kind of a human instinct. And so
Indy's always like, this is my best friend, this is
my second, and I'm always like, hey, dude, you know,
like it took me about thirty years to figure this out.

(26:13):
You're better off not kind of doing that, not creating like,
like there's so many different types of relationships you don't
need to compare them. You don't have to compare your
buddies and your lover, like they're very different.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
And so it just I bugs me that.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
The show reinforces what to me is a is a
pretty horrible, like damaging instinct in a lot of people's lives,
which is to just create a hierarchy who's the most
important and who's second and who's third, and then like
actually say it out loud and like use that in
your relationship conversations. Bums me out it's I just don't
think it's great.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
But where you're you're still your two best friends, so
right now, I not.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
To say that's just so spoken, like your third best friend. Geez,
no wonder you're number three, bro.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Though I love you guys.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Then we're in Chubbys.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Sean and Corey are sitting next to each other, and
Corey admits he's a bit nervous.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Sewn insists he shouldn't be. De Fang is about to
forgive him.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Nothing can go wrong famous last words. Cory is still jittery.
It's kind of like a first date. I mean, I
wonder what she'll be wearing. And then out of nowhere,
Lauren appears behind the boys. She taps Corey on the
shoulder and gives a soft high. The audience lets out
an audible gasp. Corey stares in disbelief, letting out a

(27:34):
goofy laugh in response, and he turns to Sean with
maybe my favorite line from any.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Episode ever ever. Oh my gosh, she's wearing a Lauren costume.
I die to laugh.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
His lad does it perfect because it's it's so unhurry,
also kind of aware that he's saying something crazy like
I'm gonna have to just keep going with this idea
because there's no way that that's actually what's happening.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Oh my god, it's a brilliant read, so good. Is
she doing something wrong?

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Now?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Can we talk about going four hours to a guy
who didn't answer your letter? Here? You're not supposed to
be there. She's doing anything wrong?

Speaker 4 (28:17):
But I will say it's the most desperate act I've
ever seen a character do.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
The streets of Philadelphia until I find him. And he
obviously didn't answer your letter. She doesn't know that he
didn't read the letter at the beginning. He obviously, in
her mind read the letter, didn't answer her the same
way with his girlfriend, so she took a four hour
bus ride to go break up the relationship.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, I don't necessarily know that it's still wrong, but boy,
you feel pathetic to me.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Actually have a different thought.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Wait, let me guess you think it's romantic.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Well it's well, I definitely think it's romantic within the
context to like it's like it there is something a
little like Wow. What it made me think is they
they really did connect that night in a way that
we didn't quite get to see. You know what, I mean,
like what we saw was like flirty and cool, but
like and I kind of wish we had just I

(29:17):
think in our imaginations, like I just take this episode
what they talked about was something like did they never
talked about anything personal? They talked about the moon, They
talked about all these things, and they made all these
banter But like, what I would have liked to have
seen is if Corey opened up or she opened up
about something that they never had told anybody else.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Which is exactly what Will's note was when we did
that episode. Wow, I can't believe I told you that
I've never told anyone that before.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
If there was a little more of like wow, like
this was such a connection and she really needs Corey
in her life or just really wants Corey in her
life because of he's the only person who can you know,
provide this and instead you know anyway, So I yeah,
that was my thought, is like I just I just
wish we had seen more of the connection to rationalize this.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
I also totally see in Spot and recognize the similarities
the parallels between Topanga coming from Pittsburgh to Corey and
then the rain, the rain in the park that they like,
there's a lot of trying to draw parallels, which as
we know, was.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
God crying on them. Correct, you should not be together.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
It was literally like that's yes the way it really
But I'm sorry if you reverse this situation, and it
was a guy, Oh tried to go after a girl
and she didn't respond to the letter, and then he
came four hours to.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
See exactly this guy's really creepy. But because it's a woman,
it's romantic. It's like, come on, this.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Is, like I said, If nothing else, it's just pure desperation.
If she had a single friend in the world, they
would have told her, hey, friend, I'm not gonna let
you get over.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
It could have so easily been soft and by she's
in town for something else, there you go, and she
she left that something else because she was inspired to
go see court, you know what I mean, Like if
there was just just one thing instead of because I
think she says she took a bus or like she
came she doesn't even have a bag, I know, and
where she stayed. If she had been like I came
to see my friend so and so, and I just

(31:19):
couldn't stay away from you, it would have been like
great or there was a there was a Mountain Mountain
Ski Lodge girl conference.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yes, and I happened to be in town. Annual ski
Bunny conference came.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
You know, I had to go get the I had
to go pick up the puzzle because we have to
replace all the puzzle pieces and.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Here one to you.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
By the way, did anybody else?

Speaker 1 (31:39):
So when we read the comment that somebody wrote, that's
brilliant about how when they go to do the puzzle,
they said, we're doing a puzzle that doesn't have enough
pieces there all some of the pieces are missing. And
she hands Cory a piece, and so somebody is like,
she's done this to a bunch of other people.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
She gives.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Every he gets their own puzzle pin.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
It's so funny, which is she's got a bus in
a half an hour to get to Pittsburgh to go
see somebody else.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
So let's get this show on the road here.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
So Corey stutters, trying to find the right words. He
finally musters out, what are you doing here, Lauren Siys?
I just spent four hours on a bus. Can you
give me something better than what are you doing here?
Cory lands on a different response.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
You have to leave appropriate response.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, I also think it would have been great if
she had somebody with her, a friend of hers, because
that would soften the romance, like the desperation, and then
also have her Sean like. I think it would be
really funny if there's like her version of sew and
you could have had this like and it would have
been like the two friends worrying over how to give
their friend advice, because that would immediately take all the

(32:47):
pressure off of this and just make that like her own.
And then it's like we hear that perspective, and it
would have given Lauren an actual life as opposed to
you know, she's a prop, she's a yes.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
I mean, really, what it was is they wanted there
to be no question Lauren wants Corey. She's ready, willing
and able to be with Corey and.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Just hunt him.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
They want to make love, get off, get their clothes
off as quickly as possible, and they ask in yes.
Even though Corey is supposed to be this sort of average,
sort of you know, forgettable guy and socially in school like,
that's clearly the Corey we established for the first five
years of the show is that he doesn't stand out.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Okay, so Lauren sarcastically responds, sweet talker, no wonder, I
couldn't stop thinking about you. Corey's tone turned serious. I'm
meeting someone here and I really don't want to be rude,
but Sean interrupts with an exorcism level read of get out,
Get out, You get out, and Writer, you do a
decent job of keeping it together, but I can have

(33:51):
a smile under it, and you're having so much fun,
like it's such a I guarantee you between Ben's laughter
delivery of she's wearing a Lauren costume and you knowing
you have get out all that you got and Linda
abingas you were, I think all having a blast in

(34:13):
this scene. And I was probably standing behind the wall
trying to muster up tears while everyone was laughing, because
I'm to have a very heavy scene and you guys
are just laughing it up.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I remember this run through so the first I think
it was either the first or second run through that
we did. The thing I remember most was the biggest
laugh of the show was I was standing right behind
all the riders. It must have just been it must
have been the just the writer's run through, because the
first thing you saw was Lauren walks down the stairs,
and Corey just turns and just goes and just turns back.

(34:46):
He just laughs, and it was the laugh None of
us had seen it before, he hadn't rehearsed it, and
everybody just lost the before he was out.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yes, it was just a laugh.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
He looked at Lauren and just started laughing, and it
was such a funny response that everybody lost it.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, great scene, so funny.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Lauren pulls Cory aside, if you want me to leave,
I will, But I needed to see you. You never
answered my letter, and I needed to know if what
we had was just because of the fireplace and the
mountains and the sky.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Sean interrupts again.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Listen, touts may I call you tuts what you had was,
and then back in his demon voice, you get out out.
Lauren doesn't budge, and Sean walks away.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Frustrated.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Corey tells her he's meeting up with Chapanga and he
doesn't want her to see them together, and just then
to Panga walks up and Jensen, who somehow didn't see
this coming, audibly gasped like the audience when they saw Laura.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
If Sean says that is going to be there.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Jehn set it up. I will say Jenson had surgery.
He was a little slow in the head, but he
gasped and then went, oh, I.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Fell for it. Episodes called Torn Between Two Loves Is anyway?

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Corey turns to face to Panga, who calmly states, can't
always get what you want. Then she looks at Sean
strike three and she walks out.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Now she turned to walk out there, all of a sudden,
Chubby's is empty. Oh, there's no other people in the restaurant.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
No.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
It was like, that's why the cut looked so weird.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
It is because it went from like this packed room
to just you walking away and the three shot and
it was like where did everybody?

Speaker 3 (36:27):
It was really the same way, but you're talking when
the next scene started, because it or this scene ended,
and then the next scene started.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
And I was like a completely different.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Room and Lauren's suddenly not in the shot or there,
and I was like, what is happening? Like this is
really weird. I feel like they were shot on two
different days.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah, maybe we pre take one of them, Linda for
one day, because we pre taped one of them and
then the other one.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Feels like it's not or you know, it just felt
like it started with you walking away and and strangely
walking away like mids dried, and the way it was
framed and no one was in Chubbies it was it
was a jarring change.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
So we continue the scene in Chubby's Tapanga is on
her way out and Corey runs after her. It didn't
mean what it sounded like. I had no idea she
was going to be here. Tapega is visibly hurt. She
came all this way to talk to you, and if
you feel that you need to talk to her, then
that's what you should do. Yeah, and Warren's Corey. I'm
also the music was so jarring here because it's like
rock and Chubbies music just take it out, guys, like

(37:40):
we don't need it.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
But yeah, because I don't know, maybe it was like
too quiet or too intense with but it's actually to me,
it's so jarring that the like background Chubbi's music is
going through this like very important moment. And I don't
think we see Lauren in this scene even though she's
supposed to be like right off camera. That is very bizarre,
So I think, right, so we only had Linda for
our Wednesday tape day. So we did the kitchen scene,

(38:02):
her outdoor rain scene, and the first part, the first
one of these scenes, and that was our Wednesday pre tape,
and then we did the rest in front of the audience.
And she wasn't around. I had one of her million
other jobs.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, you're exactly where Sean warns Corey. It's a trap.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Take Topanga and go trap to Penga continues, I couldn't
be with somebody who wasn't one hundred percent sure.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
So if you need some time, then take it.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
And I'm streaming at this, I'm screaming at this at
the screen at this point, just going.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Like just saying, you don't need it.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Correct, I don't need time. So he's I didn't remember
this episode. I didn't remember a single thing about it.
But one thing I do know that I have heard
over the years many times as being somehow that this
was a flaw of topangas that she told Corey to
spend the time with Lauren and then still broke up
with him for it. I was shaw and I didn't remember.

(38:56):
I was like, oh and maybe I do, Maybe I
maybe that is exactly what happens. Fair know, nothing about
I'm telling you directly to your face. I don't want
to be with someone who is not one hundred percent sure.
So if you need to talk to her, that means
you're not one hundred percent sure, you should go do that.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
In anything other than I don't need to talk to her,
Let's get the hell out of here. Sean will get
rid of her. Anything other than that is I'm not
one hundred percent sure about you. I'm out, really done.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Oh I agree that?

Speaker 3 (39:31):
ID so wow, so because I thought the turn at
the end did make me sort of be like, but
I guess I didn't listen to this the phrasing exactly
in this moment. But I think that is kind of tricky, right.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
It is a little tricky. I could see, how could argue,
I can see and that testing sucks, man like, Oh,
I agree, I don't. I don't disagree with that at.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
All, because the testing should if it's if it's no,
I'm out like she's If she's breaking up with him
for staying and chubbies right now, she should just break
up with him for staying and chubbies right now. If
she's saying I'm gonna let you choose, and then I'm
gonna see which way you go.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
That's the choices right now, the choice though, she's telling
me your decision to make right now, if you need
to stay and talk to her. I don't want to
be with you. I can't be with someone who's not
she says, I could never We have the clip. Let's
listen to what she says playing the clip.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
I had no idea she was going to be here.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
She came all this way to talk to you. And
if you feel that you need to talk to her,
then that's what you should do.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
It's a trap to hang up the trap.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
You couldn't be with somebody who wasn't one hundred percent sure.
So if you need some time, then yeah, take it.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, So if you need some time, go take it
because I'm done.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
But she doesn't say I'm done.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Right, that's the manipulation. Should never be someone who isn't.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
A procession sure, right, And Sean says it's a trap,
because that is a trap.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
You she's clearly saying, I'm gonna see I'm gonna let
you hang yourself.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
No, right, no, no, I disagree.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
I have to agree with Danielle on this one. Wow,
I did it is.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
It is so clear to me that what she's saying
is this woman feels strongly enough about you that she
came all the way here. If you don't feel strongly
enough about me that you don't need to that you're
not ready to walk out with me, that you actually
if you still actually have to talk to her, i'd

(41:37):
I could never be with someone who wasn't one hundred
percent sure. So if you need to talk to her,
go talk to her. That's on you. Not go talk
to her and then let me know what you decide.
It's oh wow. So the minute to Pega leaves in
that moment and he doesn't say, screw her, I don't
need to talk to her. I'm walking out of Chubbies
with you. In Tapanga's mind, that was the choice you

(41:58):
just made it.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
See, that's the thing. I agree with you one hundred percent. Rider.
I hate tests games. They're the worst things in the world.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
But to me, that would be Tapanga saying something like, look, Corey,
she came all this way. I think you should take
some time and go and spend some time with her
and talk to her and then figure out what you
want to do. That's different than the way she said it.
What she said was she clearly said, if you feel
you need to talk to her, then go do that.
But I can't be with somebody who's not one hundred

(42:28):
percent exactly the second she turns her back, she's done.
But Corey is Corey saying he wants to talk to her.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
He stays, which is the choice.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
But before she doesn't say it out exactly, so she's
putting she's saying, if you want to stay and talk,
which is not what he's saying.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
So that's an she is setting a trap. She is
he would have walked out if he knew that the stakes.
I really believe the Corey would have walked out if
he knew the sticks. Don't you think that's true, if
he honestly, if she was saying to him, you can
walk out with me right now and we will, if
she really did say that, Because he's right, she said, this.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Is an ultimatum.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
It's me or her. You think he would have said
it's you. Yes, I disagree, because I think we see
I disagree. I think he did need to go on
this date.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
But I think then I think it should be preempted
by him saying because she sets up this situation. If
he said to her, just give me five minutes to
talk to her and then I'll come talk to you.
Just let me get rid of her, but he doesn't
say that, I don't think right, So he's he's saying
the whole time, no, no, no, no, she just walked in.
This is crazy. And to Panga says, if you want
to take some time, then I'm out.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
But he also says, I don't want to Panga to
see us together. Not you have no, I didn't want
to see you. You should never have come.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
I would completely I would completely agree with you guys.
If he had said, give me, let me talk to
her and I'll get rid of her and I'll then
I'll be with you, to Panga. But to panga's the
one who sets up this situation. Lauren sets it up
by showing up, only says it.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
I think she only says that because he says, I
don't want to Penga to see us together. If what
Tapanga had overheard was I didn't want you here, I
don't want to be with you. So I overhears Corey
saying I don't want.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
To Panga to see us together.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Okay, okay, If what she.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Had overheard was I don't want to be with you.
I've made my choice. I love Tapenga, it's not you.
If that's what Tapanga had overheard, I could see her
then saying, Wow, crazy situation here. Why don't you go
ahead and take a few minutes to get rid of
her and I'll be right here. But that's not what
she hears. She hears I don't want to Penga to

(44:39):
see us together, and Tabenga goes, wow, sounds suspicious. Hey man,
you know what, I don't want to be with someone
who's not one hundred percent sure. She came all this
way she still wants.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
To be with you.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
If you need to stay and talk to her, cool,
but I can never be with somebody who still who
needs that.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
I don't want that. I'm leaving.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
I still think it's okay. I still think it's pretty manipulative,
because the word is yeah, they want it to be
because they want the audience to be on Corey's side,
and they want sympathy for Corey's you know where he
ends up at the end of the of the episode,
And that feels tricky to me. That feels a little manipulative.
Whether it's manipulative on to Panga's part or the writer's part.

(45:21):
I'm not sure, right, that's the part, and I'm I'm
a little both. I think I think it's a little
of both, because I was definitely surprised by the ending
and I was definitely like I turned on to Panga
at the end a little bit.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Well, yes, and that's what I'll say.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
That's for sure where I felt as as Danielle playing Topanga,
I felt betrayed by the writers because she says they
write it. Then you know, he's like, but you told
me to and she doesn't say, no, idea, I didn't. Yeah,
I flat out told you that if you need time
with her, that's your choice, basically, Like that's what she
thought she was saying, and that's what I took from it.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
And then she goes and you listened, No, I set
the trap and you watch exactly.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
So I felt betrayed as the character by the writers
later in this the way it was set up to
me one hundred percent. I feel like it's it's a
little it could have been more explicit. It could have
been your ultimatum is walk out of here with me
with me right now, or never see me again, she
could have said that, but she says it in a

(46:23):
little bit.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
More considering where it ends up. Shouldn't she have I mean,
because what you're saying is that you didn't like the
writing and that other scene at a later scene, so
ultimately you you do think that the Pango was being
somewhat manipulative or no.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
I think they threw her under the bus. Yes, I
think they wanted They wanted her to be pretty clear
with what she was saying up top, but then in
order to keep sympathy for Corey, they threw her under
the bus later.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
If they wanted wanted the end of the trap.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
But either way, by the end of this episode, she
did set a trap, right because of that line where
she so.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
They want you to believe that she set a trap.
I don't think she did. To me, it could have
been clear one more one way or the other. If
they really wanted a trap and they wanted it to
be the Tapanga set a trap, she could have said, Listen, Corey,
I understand you connected with somebody. I know I want
to be with you, and if you're not sure, why
don't you go figure that out and when you're done,

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let's let's see where we are. She could have set
the trap and then been like, sorry, can't believe you
had to go do that. Instead, she goes, ooh, if
you need to see this person, I could ever be
with somebody who wasn't one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
So if you need the time, take the time you yep.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
So I don't know. I feel I thought way very
very tricky. Okay, So Topanga walks away, but this time
Corey doesn't fall. Sean watches in disarray, and the world

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as we know it has ended Ryan, and then we're in.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
The Matthew's backyard.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Eric walks toward the back door, wearing a very loud
red jacket.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Red stop. I was thinking Sanna's coming.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
He is well. Phoene is simultaneously leaving his house. He
sees Eric and says he needs to ask him a favor.
Eric doesn't hesitate. No problem, Just give me your keys.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
I'll mow your.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Lawn and water those ugly little plants. Phoeney grins with amusement.
You don't think I'd actually let you inside my house,
which now also kind of bothered me. You guys went
from being like true best being like the crazy guy.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
He doesn't let in his living room.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
So Eric laughs and joins him, before making a face
that lets us know he's obviously very confused. Phoene explains,
what I'm talking about is a lot more important than
watering plants. Eric begs him not to get his hopes
up that he'll actually trust him with something, and Phoenie explains,
my citizenship class is starting a series of practice tests
this week. Unfortunately, I have a scheduling conflict. I need

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you to proctor. Eric perks up me Proctor. He dramatically
stares into the distance and admires the title Proctor Matthews.
Phoenie asks, you know, I love that PHOENI teaches this citizenship.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
But I just love this.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
I kind of wish we had made and again another
joke about like that he does everything. It's like and
the easy thing would have been, like, I have a
scheduling conflict because I'm also and whatever he's also doing
is ridiculously I'm in a scuba class, or like just
saying because they just leave a generic I have a
scheduling conflict.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I was like, he's got.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Yeah, I should, I've got a Dave in Boston.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
What I want?

Speaker 3 (49:47):
I just it's such an easy joke to say, I've
got to teach.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
My you know, spin class, or just the most absurd non, Phoenie,
I'm fishing fishing class, or you know some other subject
that he also does.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
So Phoenie asks you do know what a proctor is,
and Eric confidently responds, yeah, it's a tushy doctor.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Great. Then Eric is grossed. Oh I'm not gonna do that.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Phoene decides it may just be better if he washed
the car, but Eric wants the responsibility.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
No, it's no problem. What do you want me to do?

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Phoene tells him this is a class of people from
foreign countries who want to become American citizens. All I
want you to do all is pass out the pencils
and tests and gather them at the end of the class.
You do nothing else, do you understand? Eric stares off
with a quizzical look on his face, and then we
optical flip to Phoene's classroom. Eric, now in a normal

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colored blazer, is standing at the front of a packed classroom.
Hold up your tests like this. The students follow his directions.
Then Eric tells them to rip the test in half.
There will be no test today. Throw away the textbooks,
throw away the tests. The students gladly follow his instructions.
Eric goes on, you're my class now, and for the
first time in my life, I'm the smartest guy in

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the room.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Can we all just take a second and let that
sing in?

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Man?

Speaker 2 (51:04):
The singing? Huh the sing? I go to throw away
the text with throw like something like.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
That.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I was like, what the hell is that? It took
a risk and they kept it in so funny.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
A man in the front row speaks up, in my country,
I was a nuclear physicist. Eric tells him that everyone
here starts with a clean slate, and as they're proctologist,
he's going to show them something. The man nervously says,
please don't pick me, Please still pick me. Eric proceeds
to pull out a deck of cards from his pocket
for the man pick a card, any card, and then
we're back in the Matthew's kid.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
I actually really like the storyline. It just really bumped
me that it's like it's a one time thing and
then you've ended up teaching them like for a whole week.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I thought the same thing. My clothes are different. So
what kind of conflict does he have where class? That's
my only it was really bumped.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Me because I was it's a cheap because the idea
is then that you've educated them and actually.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Toddle these people does say they're taking a series of
tests for the next.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Time he does serious tests.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Yeah, he says, my my citizenship class is starting a
series of tests.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
This unfortunately the next three nights. Can you just land
out a test every night? I would have been happy,
but the fact that for me it was like it's
a one time thing, me too, I thought. So I
was bummed by the fact that I was like, what
did Eric you know call keep the class coming back
for extra hours? And then Phoene magically shows up.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
But he had a whole week long conflict. Okay, gotcha.
Phoene had a facelift.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I just keep talking about facelifts. I could get it
could also be a meeting of serial killers. They get
together all the time, secret and yard killers.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
So we're in in the Matthew's kitchen.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Corey is pacing the kitchen talking to Sean Tapenga practically
told me to go out with Lauren. What did she
mean by that? And Shansi states she's a woman. She
was speaking womanes or it's surprised, Oh you speak that language.
Sean admits, I'm conversational. I wouldn't say I'm fluent.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Was that your your grown writer?

Speaker 5 (53:11):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Writers really such.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
I actually think this line is pretty funny, like the
conversational fluent, and I like the way I'm delivering it,
and I like that Sean's hunting for food.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yes, I love it.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Just have some interesting business that I haven't done for
something and get reference. I was like business, but it helps,
it helps take the pressure. But you know, the whole
woman is thing. And then now just thinking about how
much we've spent how much time we've spent analyzing what
Topenga said. Yeah, it seems like since Shawn cared so
much that he would actually want to analyze this with

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as opposed to being dismissive.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
But because it's a woman, he also knew right away.
He called the minute to Penga. He started saying, it's
a trap. Take to Penga and go, yeah, he does
know what she's saying. Yes, what she was saying was
if you need to think, if you need to spend
time with Lauren, she's done so with you.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Yeah, see this is when I feel like Boy Meets
World has entered this territory with it's sort of like
somebody having a conversation with himself. Yeah, It's like it's
like it's like every character just becomes like a puppet
of like one thinking brain, sort of thinking through an
abstract concept or a tough moral issue as opposed to
like it being in story where it's like this person's

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clear perspective and this person, you know, it's like we're
all so self aware. It's almost like all of Boy
Meets World is in Corey's head now, you know, and
everybody is just like a version of an impulse that
Corey has, and it's like so seen by scene they
are just arguing and saying whatever. The other opposite point
of view is even it's very frustrating, it's yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
He advises Corey to look for stuff that's not there,
and from what he heard, there's a whole lot to
Panga was saying that's not there. He continues to peruse
the Matthew's kitchen for snacks and asks Corey what his
parents think. Corey admits he hasn't told them yet. On cue,
Alan and Amy walk in holding grocery bags. Alan asks
what has Corey not told them.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yet, and Corey answers, oh, that I agreed to see.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
That girl I met up in the mountains. They nod,
and Corey begs his mom order me not to see her.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Order me.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Amy responds, no, one loves Topanga as much as we do.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
What really, I'm not sure Ms.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Matthews that you love Topanga as much as you.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Say you do.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
I think she loves Topanga. I don't think she loves
the idea of them only being with each old.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
That's a good point. That's a good point.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
She does love Topanga, but I think she wishes they were,
you know, exploring other.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Options as well. Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Okay, But if you think you really like this girl,
then you owe it to yourself and to Tapanga and
Lauren to find out. Alan adds, A long time ago,
when your mom and I were dating, she let me
go out with another girl. Her name was Teresa Lulich,
so I went out with her just to test my
love for your mother. Amy gives them a puzzled look.
I never let you go out with any Teresa Lulich.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I would never do that.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
We wouldn't be together this very day. Alan gives a
nervous laugh. Actually, you know, I'm mixing up a couple
of stories. He looks into the grocery bag. Gee, what
are these peaches?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
You know where they go? Where do they go?

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Amy tells Corey the rest of your life you're going
to be presented with opportunities and temptations. It's how you
deal with them that matters. Alan slowly inches his way
back to Amy and ads yeah, before kissing her on
the head.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Then there's a knock on the back door. It's Lauren.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Corey answers it and they exchange hellos. She walks in
and politely says hi to Sean. He not so kindly responds,
stop trying to butter me up?

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yogo love it.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Lauren approaches Alan and Amy and introduces herself. Alan responds, Hi, Teresa,
nice to meet you. Amy sharply turns toward him.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
That's a great read?

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Oh, and nervously corrects himself, Hi, Lauren, nice to meet you.
Corey's told us so much about you. He looks back
into the grocery bag. What are these um odies? And
he leaves to find their spot in the kitchen. Corey
explains he told his parents how she took care of
him up at the lodge and how they stayed up
a night talking. Lauren nods, that's why I needed to
see you. I don't think we really finished talking. I

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hope it's okay. She looks over at Sean, who's giving
her a death glare. She pleads, please don't be mad
at me. I would never hurt your friend. Corey leans
down to Sean. What she really saying. Sean's perplexed she's
saying she wouldn't hurt you. Lauren asks if Corey's ready.
He says yes, and then looks to his mom and dad.
Amy tells them to have a good time, and Alan
tells them to have a time.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Okay, wait, I'm sorry. I don't mean to harp on this,
but she says, I'll never hurt your friend. But she's
driving four hours to try to break him up with
his girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Well, especially now, so we're alled to believe that at
the end of the Chubby scene, it's so unfortunate that
Linda couldn't be there for a tape day. Obviously, Yeah,
because the fact that Tapanga walks away from that scene.
What happens. Then Corey and Lauren make a plan for
her to come over.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
To come over, they must because she now knows where
he lives and everything.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
That seems like an essential scene because that's the scene
where Corey chooses to to.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
That's my point, Corey choose, I've already chosen the minute
he doesn't leave with Tapanga's right, Corey, that's what.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
I want to see. I want to see that moment.
What happens in that moment she walks out, and he
turns to Lauren and says, I don't know what to do,
but I do want to take I'm not sure, but
I want to take some time. Can we meet up later?
And that is when Corey does the thing that Tapang
is upset about. But we miss that moment, so what
we get is a dramatic pronouncement by Tapanga that then

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comes back around where Topanga says, you listen to me,
but him listening and misunderstanding is the point. So that's
actually like a moment, and I think it might have
been because they were trying to reduce Lindason.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah screen time, you know, to get her out, because.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Especially since I had do that rain scene, that would
have taken a lot.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Sure, so wow.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Corey turns to Sean, who simply asks Lauren. She asks Sean,
he warns have him home by midnight. She responds not
a minute after. Once they're gone, Amy says alow, I
like her. Alan agrees, I like her. Sean's conflicted, as
he admits I like her too. And then we are

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at a picnic in the park with a jim shot.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Is this where the lama pen was? Does this look
like does it look like a very similar to the.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Outside?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Right?

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Yeah, rains the rain. I thought the rain was inside
the stage.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
That's because I think it's inside the stage too. But
I think the lama pen was also on the stage,
wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
No, this isn't the corner of the We used to
shoot stuff outside at the corner of the reck.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
It's interior. You can tell because you never see me
on the walls, like if we had been actually in
an exterior. I think they wanted to really, Oh, I
think they wanted.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Was also inside.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah, but no, it's a different set.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
It's a different set, but yeah, to me, the exact
same design.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I thought they actually shot this outside. Oh this was
in I thought so at first? It was like, are
we really outside?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
And because what what bumped me is the sound is
not great at the sound and I realized they're wearing
lav mics, and I was like, oh, we must be
outside and they're wearing lav mics and that's why the
audio is not good. And then I realized, oh, no,
the audio is not good because of the rain. They
had to like water like some I couldn't do booms.
And I was like, but I think we're actually shooting

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on the stage. Although water on the stage, I guess
we wouldn't have had water on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
The stage, so they can they just suck it up.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
I've shot water stuff on a stage before.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Then, yeah, they shot it on stage.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
But you know who we could ask?

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I'm texting and right cracking.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Lauren and Corey are sitting on some rocks with a
big picnic blanket laid out in front of them, paired
with food in a portable stereo.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
What do you think they were listening to?

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
The Kids bomb? I don't know, kid, it was kids Bops,
That's what it was. Yeah, it was that. That's so
music eighty nine perfect. Corey asks her, so you want
to live in a cottage? She nods.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Yeah, a little woodhouse, that's all I want. Corey is surprised,
you don't want a big brick house in the suburbs
with walking closets and a skylight over the jacuzzie. She
wonders who would want any of that. Cory smiles, telling
her nobody. Lauren admits, I just want to be in
love with someone and maybe have some kids someday.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Do you want to have kids?

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Corey size, yeah, but I have to be home by midnight.
She laughs, and he admits he does want kids, and
then asks, so I'm not the wild and reckless guy
you thought I was. Huh what?

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
What is it a joke?

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
He's got to be a joke because he hurt himself
getting off the bus.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Yeah, I think it's I mean, that's got to be
a joke, right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Okay, maybe maybe he Maybe he is. Lauren explains that's
not what she's looking for. Those guys are slick and boring.
Corey agreed, and this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Is where I was like, this is a thirty five
year old person conversation like that, you know what you're
looking for at the age of you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Also?

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Is she nineteen twenty?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I know, I don't know, that's what Sue asked the
same thing. She's like, how how old is she?

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
And like when she's like, that's not what I'm looking
like what they're talking about where they're going to live,
it's like, and I want some kids someday. You really
need to figure this out. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
He's in this high school right, and it's insane to me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
I mean it's like, on one hand, you have to
accept that that's the Corey to Panga logic, right, that
they've got lovers and they're thinking about long term and destiny,
but that another girl is like you are the me,
you know, like I'm thinking about my long term future
and this is worth it and you're the guy. That's
really intense for I have another character to be thinking
this long term.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Well, she had a long, shit four hours on that
bus ride to figure out what she wants in her life.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Corey agrees, Yeah, Tapanga always says the reason I He
catches himself and apologizes. Lauren tells him it's okay, Topanga
a big part of his life. Corey nods, yeah, she is.
Then we hear thunder and the date is drenched by
a rainstorm. God is crying. Lauren seems excited. While Corey
tries to lead her to cover, Lauren stops him and

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stands in the rain happily, without a care in the world.
He yells out, I'm not the kind of guy who
stands out in the rain without the appropriate outer wear.
She pulls him in closer. There he is, Yeah, She
pulls him in closer and covers him with her jacket.
She'll keep him warm and dry, She laughs as she
gets soaked from the water, and Corey asks from the
dark of her bosom, So you got.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Any film you need developed? She shouts, I would.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Suggested bigger jacket. I would have suggested more like a
like a part of a coat or a longer It's
it's a very awkward thing to do. It doesn't make
any sense except that it was written that way and
then they shot it that way, and it really would
have been easy to have her in a more of
a trench coaty vibe, which is something where you would actually,

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you know, cover somebody's Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
I have a question now this, I'm just throwing this out.
There was this done? Do you think to at least
tell Corey that if he goes with Lauren they will
be sex? Yeah? I definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
I think the whole point of it is she's more
comfortable with physical proximity. But even just on like a
very casual date, she's putting his head directly in her chest.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
That's what I went to as well, where it's like, hey,
if you go, it's like the I think it's a
derogatory way to say it now, but they used to
call it the Madonna and the Horror comp yes, where
it's like the better way to say it would be
Ginger or Marianne from Gillian's Island, where it's like you've
got the one that represents sex and sexuality and then
you've got the perfect pristine to Panga.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
And I feel like the smaller jacket made that more
in your face, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
So where it was kind of like I'm literally to
take your head and put you right against my breast,
and to me that was a psychological like come with
me and you know you'll get to get stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
But with a trench coat or something, he could have
had his entire body pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Him up, and I would have been like enclosing him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Like a sleeping bag. Yeah, that's true too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
To me, that would have been just as intimate and
makes more sense.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
You know, have a logic to it that like hmm,
So she shouts I love the rain.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Corey declares I do too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
She pulls her jacket off of him and asks, you do,
because I got your rain right here. She grabs a
water bottle and starts spraying the water in Corey's face.
Corey grabs a water bottle and does the same to her.
They have a water fight in the rain until he
stops to stare at her. She realizes that he's worried
about something. Lauren asks, aren't you having fun with me?
He nods, that's what I'm worried about. He takes a

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seat next to her, and he can't bring himself to
look away.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
It's so horrible to like a person and have fun.
Going back to what we're talking about in the it's
like all relationships are supposed to be torturous, ye miserable.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Well, that's his test.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
He feels guilty because it should It should mean that
he maybe should break up with Tapanga.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
That's not the lesson He's going to take.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
It from it. But no, the idea here is that
he's supposed to suffer and then enjoy the It's like,
it's like, dude, just break up with the panga now,
Like you're enjoying it. Why are you feeling bad about
enjoying this? You can't. If you believe that she's allowing
you to have a good time, then you just make
the decision. Oh my god, I'm really having a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Yeah, And that's what this whole point was. I took
the risk to see if I was having a good time.
So then we're in the guy's apartment. Sean is sitting
on the couch watching TV. There's a knock at the door.
He answers it to find us, soaking what Corey's standing
on the other side. Corey bluntly states I had a
good time this part by the way him being bummed
out about it. Yes, I get to his friend, he
should be enjoying it with Lauren. Yeah, he can totally

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be enjoying it with Lauren. And then when you go
to your friend, you think, account man, I figured that out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
I don't know what I'm going to do between love.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Yeah, that's yes, But like why expressing like that fun
is awful?

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yes, jeesus.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
Je Sean laughs at his appearance and motions him inside
Corey continues, I went out with Lauren. We had fun.
I had fun with a girl who isn't to Panga.
Sean admits he has a hard decision to make, so
the two of them will figure it out scientifically.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
He grabs a scale and some jelly beans.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Also, by the way, I had fun with a girl
who wasn't to Penga was exactly what he was saying
in the Ski Lodge episode. I spent all night talking
to a girl who wasn't to Panga. And then in
the next episode, when he knew he had kind of
done something wrong, he was saying, I did that, and
I lied about it, and I blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
And then in this episode he's like, oh, I did
nothing wrong. That was weird.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Yeah, it's just just characters. Yeah, we're all just there
to talk talk it out.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Sean starts with personality. He asks Corey which of the
girls makes him laugh. Corey Warren seawan they will not
decide the rest of his life with jelly beans. Sean scots, then,
who is going to decide the rest of your life?

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Which is so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
This, by the way, is the ultimate sitcom trope. This
has been done on every sitcom. Let's make the list,
well the list of let's do a pros and cons list.
All right, let's talk about why it was done on Friends.
It was done, and it's done in every sitcom. Was like, okay, well,
we're allowed the standard sitcom trope occasionally because this one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
We've seen this a thousand times.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
The Boys Apartment just has a scale.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah, it had plants on it. Yeah, well, obviously it
was a decorative scale.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
It was a decorative scale for plants.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
That's obviously none of you guys have bought weed back
in the nineties, So that's what you would do, is
your scale would be up there and then they'd have
plants on it so it didn't look like it was
a scale, and then the guy would go way out
your weed of course, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Or something the weed out of the Boys Apartment. Well,
if you've got those kind.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Of scales in the nineties, the chances are you got
you're selling some kind of weed.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I mean you're seeing Okay, so that's actually not a
for the apartment.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
In all fairness, that's not a weed scale, but still
was like to have a scale and scales, Well, it's
just the old school scale. You'd go to like some
I can't believe we're having this conversation, but you'd go
to some like somebody's house and they would have it
was that old school scale where you'd have a scale
on one side and then the three things where you
like do the oh yeah, yeah, and they'd weig out
an eighth or a quarter or whatever it was, and

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then you take your weed and you'd.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Go, so, yeah, if you had a scale.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
If you're three young guys living in an apartment like
that and there's a scale, somebody's selling weed.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Now we know how Sean's affording the apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
I was like, I'm not gonna not gonna say anything. Well, no,
I was gonna make a joke about this explained some
of Eric's behavior. But I was like, no, Eric doesn't
seem like a star. Eric's on maybe coke.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Eric.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Eric is high on life and paint.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
That's what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Sean wouldn't smoke weed, but he'd sell it. I think
Eric is a.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Laughing gas guy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
He's on nitrous, he's on whippets all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Corey understands, okay, but don't use the red ones. I
want to eat those Sean asks again, who makes you laugh?
Corey initially answers to Panga, but admits that Lauren makes
him laugh too. Sean grants each of the girls one jellybean.
He follows up, which girl would you rather have deep
conversations with? Corey knows he can talk to Tapanga about anything, but.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
All of these answers are so generic. It just it
was like so clear to me that they did not
develop Topanga's character enough and Corey and Tapanga's relationship enough
to have very specific, good answers to these questions. I mean,
it makes sense that with Lauren he's just feeling and
he doesn't have all the answers, or he can be
kind of generic, but he should be able to say
the time that I told Tapanga about this, or the

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fact that she said this this one time where oh
my gosh, this we laughed so hard that milk came
out of my nose this time. Of course it's Tapanga,
but then Lauren. But it's so generic. Like to me,
this dialogue just it drove me up the wall. And
I don't know if I blame our writers for this scene.
I don't blame Matt Nelson for this scene, but I
blame them in general for not developing enough of a character,

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but a relationship between Corey and Topanga to have real
answers here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yeah, at least even you could fake it, you know
what I mean? Like, oh, when you touch this one
part of her arm, she giggles every time, like, here
you go. You can make up tiny little things that
specific to Tepanga.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Yeah again, Sean grants each side another jelly bean. Sean
turns to honesty. Which girl can Corey trust the most? Meanwhile,
nothing about Corey, how freaking untrustworthy?

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
He is?

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Just the girls? Which one is not amazing? Danielle waged, Yeah, well,
no man was weighed in the nineties. Just the women.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
Corey says, Topanga's the most honest person I've ever met.
Sean exclaims that's a double beaner, and I'm gonna use
red the Corey adds, Lauren's been honest with me from
the very beginning. Seawan begrudgingly gives Lauren's side two more
jelly beans as well. The camera shows the scale weighing
dead even supposedly, although it's absolutely not dead even, But.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Also, why does Sean give her two all? Because too
I know, But for how many encounters versus Tapenga's lifetime of.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
Being I think the double beaner is not about how
many times, it's just about honesty is more important than
any other thing. So, okay, so you can tell you
can you can trust a Pega, but she's the most
honest person. That's a double beaner. Honesty is very important.
And then oh you can you can trust Lauren too.
She also gets to jellybeans, can we can we?

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Yeah, well call it something else, because giving somebody a
double beaner just sounds really weird to me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
I'm sorry, it's again, I give her a double beaner.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
What Sean decides his next question will be very important.
Who's got the better you know, who's got the perfume?

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Go?

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
And who do you see yourself? And then ce dirty laugh.
Corey's eyebrows raised.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Oh yeah, this just the read.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
I think the whole thing is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
I think there's a way to ask it, or I
think there's a way to bring up like who are
you attracted?

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Yes, they're clearly going.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
For the joke, but just watching myself good it was like, yeah,
I ever want to myself.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
About when he comes back with like she's got the
great bing bongs and the like what do you what?

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
What? What? What are we?

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
What are we discussing?

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
I actually think it would have been good if it
was just way abstract, you know, like it was way
over the top, where if we had been more wilfred
Ell in this moment where you know, it was like
we're speaking in code and whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
It's like, I mean, but you know the double beaner
that you know, whatever it is, like it would have
been and it's not actually like it's so obvious what
we're talking about, and then trying I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Yeah, it's like you guys are talking in wing edings. Yeah,
exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Well there's only one to Panga and she's got the
ha ha ha with the raw ra and the hackety hockety.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
What does that mean? Please?

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
I don't know, but that's why I'm kind of saying
the writer, I mean, I guess the only thing is
that you could have replaced words that we actually know
like ha ha ha and raw raw with more things
like hackety hockety that are just.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Exactly That's what I would have done, and then have
Sean respond like he knows those and like add to
them well the boom boop with a little bit of
a top. We keep going back and we actually start
having a conversation that we just know each other so well,
but we're saying nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Well, what's great? Then as you end it by going,
do you know what we're talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Like, no, I have thought lost, I thought I lost
track three bee beans?

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Ex you lost? Yeah, but you had met exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
Sean smirks, oh yeah, and he drops a handful of
jelly beans onto Tapanga scale. Corey doesn't stop there, but
there's nothing like being inside Lauren's jacket. Sean's visibly surprised
what Corey simply responds, just pour the beans. Sean does so,
and we see the scale again, which continues to stand
even but now even less so because we are dealing

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with a lot of unique jelly beans.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
By this point.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
The scale is literally they're like showing it. Look how
even it is, and it's fully like this. I thought
the scale had like a time commitment and like like
Linda Cardelini had to get out of there, and he
did not have time to do the business scale busy
at scale and showbiz, Sean tells his best friend, it's

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a tie you like Lauren as much as you like Topanga,
and you can't live without either of them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
He realizes this may not have been the best idea.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
The scale is absolutely becoming less even and getting an
even shot of the sky. This was something I was
supposed to say earlier. But yes, it's the scale wouldn't
work past a certain time. It's an afternoon scale. Well
cut that okay?

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
What scale is the scale on?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
SAG scale scale.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
Sagplus ten, scale plus ten scalels. Corey disagrees this was
a good idea. Yeah, I like Lauren, I like spending
time with her, but I can live without her. I
can't live without Tapanga. He grabs the bag full of
jelly beans and happily places it on to panga side,
telling Sean it's no contest. He walks out of the
door like a man on a mission. Why why not idea?

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
What is the moment? It's just that he changes his mind,
So it's just an exercise.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
Too, because at first it made no sense. But then
I think the fact that Sean says. The last thing
Sean says is you like them both equally and you
can't live without either one of them, And that triggers
something in Corey's mind, huh No, could I live without Lauren?

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Yes, yeah, yeah I can.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
And so I do think it's the fact that Sean
says that that then makes Cory go, I am going
to pretend that's another question that you just asked me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
On the scale, which one can you not live without?
That's again the way they did it on Friends. It's
Ross and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Chandler, and Ross is going back and forth between the
new girl that he's dating and Rachel and it comes
to the same thing where they're equal at the end,
and he goes, all right, so what's the problem then,
and his great last line is she's not Rachel.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
That's all you needed to say, is like, it doesn't
matter if it's equal, she's not her and I love
her for our episode or I don't know when it was,
I don't know exactly what it was, but that was
a great way he was just like, she's not Rachel.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
That's that's the problem. That's where that tips the balance.
That's it. And so there was yeah, better version of that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
I thought, all right, well, but the scale did have
the boo.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
In the week week and and then we are in
Phoenie's classroom.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
There's a b story. Remember the Bee story. Guys, No,
Eric is still playing teacher.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Maybe there's also laughs in this bet story.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
It's so it's it's such a great story, and yet
it's the whole episode is so.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Like, yeah, it's very we're getting melodramatic. Now, Will in
this scene, you know who? I thought you looked like
Jerry Levine?

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Really, yes, I was gonna say Brad Pitt, but I
can see that Jerry Levin had a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Mock turtle Yeah, a mock turtleneck and a blazer. And
I was just hugging everybody. Yeah, so many hugs.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
From the center man. The same front row student, Raj
picks a card from a deck and Raj exclaims I'm
lucky enough to have picked an ACE. The class congratulates him,
and Eric announces, ooh okay, category is pop culture. Raj
stands in front of the class and recites Ace Ventura
pet detective launched the career of Jim Carrey. Then we
see Phoene standing in the doorway, screaming, do nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
It's such a great just him standing there do nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
So I also love that you must have been the
one to please let us use a Jim Carroy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
I doubt I said, I think Jim Carrey was what
they thought. The referenced Will as Jim as their Jim Carroll,
and Kendall said it. He's like, so, I think the
writers just love that Will was like Jim car you know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
Eric stares at him blankly. Phoene goes on, I said
all I wanted you to do was nothing. Just watch
them take the test. Eric admits, no tests, store them up.
Phoene's flabbergasted, but Eric explains his process.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
I understand what you were doing.

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
You were testing me to see if I had initiative.
You think I should be a teacher. Phoene is disgusted. No,
I don't quite so funny. I just wanted you to
pass out the test. And what has ace Ventura got
to do with United States citizenship? Eric, for the love
of God, Eric interjects, mister Feoenie, if you don't mind,

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I'm in the middle of teaching a class. Okay, he
shouts to another student, Min, it's her turn. Min picks
a king out of Eric's deck. Phoene takes some guesses
King Kong, Don King, Donkey Kong King. Eric says, those
were great answers, except for the donkey Kong King. But
Phoene can't play. He's already a US citizen. Eric tells

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men the category is civil rights. Min stands up and
recites a portion of Martin Luther King's I Have a
Dream speech, which gets her a round of applause from
the class. Phoene admits, although unorthodox, I'm very impressed with
your teaching methods, mister Matthews. Another student chimes in, You know,
mister Feene, all of us from different backgrounds are like
cards in a deck. Raj continues. Some cards are red,

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some cards are black, some are kings and queens, and
some are sixes and sevens. Men finishes the thought. But
without even one of them, the deck of cards doesn't work.
And that's what mister Matthew says is America.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
It's a great analogy. It actually is a pretty great work. Yeah,
it worked really really well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
And it's simple enough that I believe Eric could have thought.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Of it, Yep, could have figured it out. Just not
a box enough, but yeah, absolutely, Like I just love
that Eric Phoene's himself, Yes, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
And I actually wish we had a couple more lines
about that because I just loved that idea, where a
Phoenie being like I did not intend that, and Eric
being like, yes, you did, and this is all part
of your plan because you're a genius, and then maybe
Phoene just goes all right, fine, I'm a genius. I
intended to I planned it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
I planned all this so funny, And then we're in
Choby's Corey sitting at a booth alone. When Tapanga arrives.
He's excited to see her and wants to tell her
everything that happened. I went out with Lauren, and I'm
not going to lie to you. We had a great time.
Topeka's not surprised. Lauren's a nice girl. I knew you'd
have fun, Corey admits, but I didn't know I was
allowed to. He explains. When I first met Lauren, she

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was the first girl besides you, that I ever thought
I could like, and that made me feel bad because
I thought if I liked another girl, it somehow meant
that I liked you less. Tapanga apologizes, sorry you felt bad,
Corey and her Jack's no, it's good that I went
through this. It taught me that liking someone else could
never ever take away from loving you, And I don't
have to be afraid of what I feel for anyone

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else because I know that it could never take away
from loving you, and I always will and I know
that completely. Now Tapanga understands and asks if there's anything
else he has to tell her. He ponders this for
a moment, whispering aloud, love you completely know that now
always will.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Love this great? I mean Ben's was just so good, Hiller,
I I am so so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Great, No, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
He sits down on her side of the booth and
asks if she can put him in her jacket, because
he only wants to be in her jacket. Tapega takes
a deep breath before finding the words I can't see
you anymore. Corey shocked what Topeka asks do you have
any idea how many.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Guys hit on me?

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
Corey doesn't understand what she's talking about. Tapega explains, I
never needed to test my uch.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
I really like that line too, so true, It's so yeah,
and it's it's such a perspective shift for Corey and
our show in a lot of ways, because we've never
we just always assume she's going to be the virgin
or like you're saying, the pure, you know, wonderful, perfect,
And I just love that she has a rich inner
life and rich social life that he doesn't account for.

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And that single line does so much more than anything
she says for the rest of the scene, because it's
very specific, it's very like, it's not an abstract concept.
It's like a lot of guys hit on me Corey
all the time and I walk away.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
I just love that, and I love that well.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
It also explicitly ties into what Amy says in the
kitchen for the rest of your life, you're going to
have temptations and you're going to have chances where you
have to make a choice. How you choose to handle
them will decide everything. And up even up until this
point in this scene Tapega has not said anything that

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belies what she said earlier in the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
If anything, what I was waiting for her to say was, oh,
you already made your choice.

Speaker 5 (01:23:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
I was waiting for her to say, yes, you made
your choice the moment I told you that if you
needed her, that meant.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
To me you like, Yeah, that's the line made it.
That's the line I needed yeah. Instead it's left that
it is kind of a trap.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Yeah, and that is where it's literally that line where
she says, and you listened, they threw her under the bus.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
What she should have said was I told you you
had a choice to make, and you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Know what I said, Corey, think about what I said,
and then you walk away. It was like, this was already,
this was decided, you know. But the fact that she
also lets him finish, like, is that all you have
to say?

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
Well, because her saying is that all you have to say?
I could see her being like, all right, well, I'm
not sure why you needed to say this to me.
Oh because of what I'm telling you is I want
to get back. I want to be together.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Oh no, no, we already did that. That's why I
like it was so annoying.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
It also reminds me of how we talked about the
episode where Eric is dating the girl with the kid
and he's like, just break up with me, okay if
you if you don't want to be with me, just
break up with me, and she goes, you know where
to find me. That's what Tapanga was saying in a
different way to Corey, which is I'm not going to
force you to choose.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
You're a grown man. If you want to be with me,
you should know that with me walk out with me.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
If you aren't sure, then you would need to stay,
and I don't want to have to give you an ultimatum.
What I'm telling you is, here's my here's my blanket statement.
I don't want to be with someone who is not
one hundred percent sure that they want to be with me.
So if there is un finished business with this woman
you barely know, then you should definitely stay and figure

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that out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Because here I am.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
You know me?

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've also already made your choice.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
By that point, ye, Tapenga explains, I never needed to
test my feelings for you. I moved away from my
parents in Pittsburgh to be close to you ever since
we were kids. I felt like I belonged with you,
and I would have given you everything. Corey earnestly tells her,
I'm so sorry. Tapanga leans her head against his shoulder
while her eyes well up with tears. Sad music plays

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in the background. She tells him, I forgive you. I
forgive you for lying at the lodge. I forgive you
for kissing her. And I forgive you for the letter
which I read, and I know how intimately she felt
about you, but that you needed to see her to
test how you felt about me. I don't forgive you
for that. Corey stands up and loudly shouts, no, you

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told me to see her, Tapanga.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Now, yeah, your fault. Your fault is what they're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
You told me to see how I felt. She grabs
him and pulls him in for a hug. When she
pulls away, she reminds him and you listened. And in
those two lines what he says to her when he
the words he puts in her mouth, and that she
doesn't correct him, and that she says and you listened
to me was where they threw her under the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
It's also tonally, you know. And you know I don't
necessarily blame Ben because it was It's a choice the
whole Yeah team makes. He's so angry, he's so aggressive,
and it could have been despair, do you know what
I mean? It could have been sadness and despair and plaintive.
It could have been like no, no, no, no, I
you know, it could have been like I cannot believe

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this is happening right now, and instead it's it's like A,
I you did this, and you sid and it's like
it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa I am I And
it instantly turned me off. The tone of that exchange
was like, you do not have a right to talk
to somebody in this situation like that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Well, that's where it goes from drama to melodrama. That's right,
those moments of take it in a and you told me.
It's like, oh, okay, soap opery a little bit there
at that point, right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Well, but also melodrama by definition is characters sort of
like spinning their own wheels into emotions, right as opposed
to the story.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
And this is that's scitating the emotion. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
This is literally characters manipulatively speaking to each other, selectively
speaking to each other in order for there to produce
an emotional reaction or an emotional situation. That's not drama.
Like drama is cross cross characters in conflict, inspiring emotions
are eliciting emotions. And yeah, it's I'm afraid that a

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lot of the rest of boys world stays in the melody.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
That's what I'm worried about too.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Yeah, we'll see Tapega walks away and Corey watches her leave.
Sean passes here walking down the stairs, but she doesn't
acknowledge him. Sean sees the look on his best friend's
face and he tells him it's gonna be okay. Corey responds, no, no,
it won't. And then we're at the tag in the courthouse.
Not sure on how the tie in between the A
and the B storyline come together there. I don't think

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there is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
It's just two because to Panga tested Corey and test
to get into the country.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
Good job, will that's always omitting. But yeah, you're right,
You're exactly right. The biggest test. The group of students
from Phoenie's US citizenship class are standing in front of
a judge as they recite the US Constitution. Foenie and
Eric are watching the ceremony with bride. Eric admits I

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never understood why anybody would want to be a teacher
until now. Phoenie nods, that's because you're seeing your students
succeed and grow right in front of your eyes. Eric asks,
it makes you feel so proud to know you've made
a difference in somebody's life. Doesn't it, mister Feenie Phoene
looks at Eric talking about his purpose. Yes, it does,
my boy, indeed it does, very so sweet, very touching.

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So boy o boy, here we are. We've it's a
very dramatic episode. I do, like Ryder said, I do
really like it because of the performances. I thought everybody
was very good in both the A and the B storyline.
It's maybe a little more dramatic than it needed to be.

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But also I definitely understand how, considering the rest of
the show is going to be set up, that Corey
and Topanga are, you know, it's just that becomes the
kind of center point and focal point of the show
that they needed to make it clear that this breakup
was not just a casual breakup. It needed to mean
more than that. So I understand why there was so
much drama with it. But overall, I just I'm so

(01:29:44):
pissed for Tapanga.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
I feel like, yeah, I mean it's so funny because
like it's I almost feel like the show has become
a different show, you know, And yeah, and it has
obviously I said that when we did the Pittsburgh Coming Back,
and like, you know, where the world changed, and but
but it's also now just become stylistically or like it's
and it it was effective because I think about how

(01:30:08):
much conversation we've had about this episode and debate, yes,
and so the show has become a sort of intellectual
exercise or like it's you know, and it's it's a
it's a different thing. It's no longer a like sitcom
with its own like sort of reflection of our reality.
It's like creating its own reality. And so maybe we

(01:30:29):
should just give it space to do that, you know,
And that maybe because it really was effective for a
lot of people, probably for kids to go to school
and be like but Ta Penga said this, but Corey
said that, and that is what makes I think for
some people, that's what makes Boy Mes World very special
and got under.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
The all good television, I mean, good to you should
be having debates about the stuff going on, right, But
I think for characters to.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
Be so expositional about their feelings and expositional about themselves
as characters, which is you know what I think is
what's happening on Boy Meets World and more and more,
I think for a certain segment that is like a
really it's like a you know, it's a different form
almost because a sitcom does not is not typically do
this much self expression and discussion and self analysis, and

(01:31:16):
Boy Meets World does it just you know, and then
Girl Meets World, I think did this all from the beginning,
and so I it's just a different form in a way,
and I'm not used to it. I mean, I did it, uh,
and I don't love it, But it doesn't mean that
it's not valid, you know, or part of the legacy
of Boy Meets World.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
Well, our next episode is season five, episode seventeen, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
There was Sean.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
In original February twenty seventh, nineteen ninety eight. We are
going to have a handful of episodes to commemorate what
many fans believe is the best Boy Meets World episode
of all time. And it may not have aired in October,
but for Pod meets World, we're making sure it's a
Halloween episode. Our recap will drop on Thursday, but get

(01:32:10):
ready for some surprises during the week with a writer
strong solo episode, interviews with the writer and director of
and then there was Sean, and some special thoughts from
you listeners. It's no longer a drill. We have hit
the scream episode what Thank you all for joining us
for this episode of Podmeets World. As always, you can

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Karp and Amy Sugarman execs I can give in charge
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