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What if the government gonna do, what's the president gonna do?
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When are they gonna fix this? That's the wrong question.
If God's doing.
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The shaken Doctor Tony Evans says, spiritual problems don't respond
to earthly solutions.
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You shouldn't be reacting like everybody else's reacts because you're
not part of their kingdom.
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This is the alternative broadcast featuring the timeless Biblical teachings
from the archives of doctor Tony Evans. There are a
lot of things being shaken up in our world today,
which raises the question, how can you avoid getting shaken
up with them? Doctor Evans says the answer is found
in what you hold on to. Let's join him.
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As he explains in Hebrews chapter twelve, the author is
writing to Jewish Christians. They're about to enter into the
most climactic time that this generation has experienced, as Jerusalem
is getting ready to be besieged by Titus and his army.
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The temple is about to be.
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Destroyed, and the dark clouds have begun to move in.
He writes later on in the book that some had
been imprisoned, some had had their property confiscated, and they
were raising the question about their reality, what is happening
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here and how do we respond to the chaos that
seems to be bubbling up.
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All around us.
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The author of the Book of Hebrews has spent the
whole book talking about the excellencies of Jesus Christ. He
has made a contrast between Mount Sinai and Mount Zion.
You see on Mount Sinai when God spoke to Israel
in the Old Testament verse eighteen, when God came down
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and spoke prior to the giving of the Ten Commandments,
it says, all hell broke loose. I mean, it was
a sight to behold as the mountain was smoking and quaking,
and God had come down to read out his law,
and all of those environmental aspects happened.
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To let the people know how serious a moment this was.
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This was a very serious moment, and God's presence on
that mountain shook the whole mountain. But he says to Christians,
that's not your mountain in verse twenty two, that's not
the mountain you.
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Hanging out at.
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These mountains are spiritual symbols. He says, you come to
Mount Zion and to the city of the Living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem, a merit of Angels, general assembly, the
Church of the first Born, who enrolled in Heaven, to God,
the judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous
made perfect, and here it is, and to Jesus, the
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mediator of a new covenant, to the sprinkled blood. That's
the cross, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
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He says, you've moved to a new city.
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You're operating in a different environment now, having established at
the cross. The blood of Christ is the mediation Jesus,
and this blood is the mechanism through which this new
arrangement works. He then answers the question what's going on? Because, Okay,
I'm a believing in Jesus Christ. I believe in the Cross.
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I believe he died for me. I'm under this new covenant,
but my stuff is still messed up. My life is
still in shambles. Things are still not going right. Even
though I'm attached to the Cross and I'm attached to
this new arrangement.
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What's the connection to.
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Jesus, the Cross, the mediation or mechanism through which this
special connection with God comes and my circumstances, Because my
circumstances still aren't good.
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Verse twenty five.
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See to it that you do not refuse him who
is speaking. For if those did not escape when they
refused him who warned them on earth, much less we
escape who turn away from him who warns from heaven.
His voice shook the earth then, But now he is promising,
yet once more, I will not shake only the earth,
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but also the heaven. The expression yet once more denotes
the removing of things which can be shaken, as of
created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken
may remain.
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He keeps using the words shaken.
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If your roots are being shaken, God is talking. Even
before we get to Heaven. God creates discontinuity on earth
in order to bring us to a new level of
experience spiritually with Him. And that's why God does not
often always get rid of the inconveniences we are going
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through until we stop refusing him.
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Who is speaking.
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See, as long as you're saying no, Lord, no, no, God, no,
not now, God, no, No, let's wait God, you're refusing
him who is speaking, which means you're too attached. And
as long as you're too attached, you're not getting the message.
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Which means he must turn up the heat.
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So God creates disconnect, discontinuity. When you're in an earthquake,
if you are attached to the earth, you're gonna shake.
If you're in an airplane, you're not because you're not attached.
God wants to flow by means of the Cross, the
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blessings of the New Covenant, that is the commitment that
He has to you and all of its many manifestations.
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But in order to do that, he must.
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Disconnect you from that which is inconsistent with this covenant,
with this arrangement, with this relationship that we are to
be having with God.
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I love what he says here.
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The expression yet once more denotes the removing of things
which can be shaken.
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Yet once more.
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This is a quote from Hagi chapter two. The author
of Hebrews is quoting the Old Testament. Let me read
Hagai chapter two so that you can hear what he's
reading heading from or quoting from. When he writes in
Hebrews chapter twelve. And I got chapter two. This is
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what it says in verse six. For thus saith the
Lord of Host once.
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More in a while, a little while, I'm.
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Going to shake the heavens and the earth. Well, that's
what the author is quoting.
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Says the Lord of Host.
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The silver and the gold is mine, declares the Lord
of Hoast. I will shake the nations, and they will
come up with the wealth of all nations. And I
will fill this house with glory, says the Lord of Hoast.
The silver is mine, the gold is mine, declares the
Lord of Hoast. Now that's very interesting. The author in
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the New Testament is quoting from the Old Testament. In
the verse where he is quoting from God says, I
am going to shake, he says, and I Am going
to shake the nations so that they give up their
gold and silver. See, now you like the word shaking.
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See he's shaking, is okay now as long as you're
not the one being sure. He quotes it saying God
is going to shake things up in order to transfer
things over.
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That's what he says in Hai God chapter two.
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He's shaking things up to transition things over. It's like
when you grew up with those old piggy banks, and
you would shake the stuff that had been deposited so
that you could now use the money from the piggy bank.
He says, he wants to shake it over and shake
it out, shake.
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Something loose from one realm.
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In order to deliver something to another realm. This is
good news from across today. The blood of Jesus Christ
on the Cross mediates a new arrangement God has with
every Christian and with his Church. That new arrangement is
called the New Covenant. The New Covenant is the commitment
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that God has made to you.
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God has said that through the Cross, by means.
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Of this new arrangement, the New Covenant, God is going
to flow to you his goodness, but he will flow
to it by first disconnecting you from that which would
be blockages in the arteries of your spirit. He says,
what God is after is he's removing the created things
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because you're too attached. I'm too attached. And he says,
as long as we are attached to Earth, you won't
see Heaven. You won't see the eternal things. You won't
see the things that are coming from God because you're
too attached to them coming from men. Some of the
great memories in my life have come out of crises
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where Heaven had to step in because Earth couldn't fix it.
Earth couldn't fix it, and God would not allow Earth
to fix it. Because he was talking. He was speaking.
God had something to say. Therefore, verse twenty eight, since
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we received a kingdom which cannot be shaken. The cross
of Jesus Christ has resulted in a new arrangement with God.
Watch this now that has transferred you don't miss this
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to an unshakable kingdom. Let me say that again, the
cross of Jesus Christ. When God saved you, forgave you
and made you one of his own, he also transferred you.
You have received a kingdom. A kingdom is a rule.
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You're under, a.
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Government that cannot be shaken, that is not subject. Listen
to this, to what's happening around you, that is not
limited to what you read in the newspaper.
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If you're only.
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Looking at the stock market pages, if you're only looking
at the banking systems, if you're only looking at the recession,
if that's all.
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You are seeing, you will be shaken. You will be shaken.
And if your.
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Cry is what is the government gonna do? What's the
president gonna do? When are they gonna fix this, that's
the wrong question. If God's doing the shaking, If God's
doing the shaking, you're raising the wrong question. God is
concerned that you don't refuse him who is speaking? The
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question now is God, what are you saying to me
or to us through all of this turmoil and turbulence
in our lives?
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Being as though.
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I am attached to the cross underneath the New Covenant
and therefore have been placed in a kingdom or under
a governmental regime that does not shake, It means you
shouldn't be reacting like everybody else is reacting because you're
not part of their kingdom. You operating with a different
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king You're operating with a different rule, you're operating under
a different authority, So you ought to be shaken. Well,
what am I supposed to do when my world's falling apart? One,
don't refuse him who is speaking? Look if your world
has fallen? The part say, Lord you're talking, I'm listening. Okay,
Lord you're talking. I'm listening. The nation's falling. The part,
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Lord you're talking, I'm listening. I want to hear what
you have to say to me or to us in
this situation. What are you saying?
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But not all of us respond that way, And doctor
Evans will have more to say about that when he
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Now, what is our propensity when things are shaking? Complain
in Fussen and Cousson getting mad, getting ticked off, which
is all refuse him who is speaking.
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You should be thankful he talking to you. He's speaking.
And the worst, the inconvenience and discontinuity gets the louder
he talking.
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He says, Lord, I want to establish gratitude now that
I have access to the cross and part of this
new arrangement, and I'm under another kingdom. So the rules, oh,
outside of the kingdom, don't control what's happening inside the kingdom,
inside the rule of God. Let us show gratitude by
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which we may offer to God an acceptable service with
reverence and our for our God is a consuming fire.
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Our God is a consuming fire.
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When the walls of Jericho fell down, the Bible says,
and Rehab's house stood, Everything around her crumbled. Thing around
Rehab crumbled. The kingdom she was a part of, called
Jericho crumbled, it says. Her house, which was embedded into
the wall, it says, stood so that man, all the
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wall fell except for one piece of the wall, and
that was a piece where her house was. Why, because
she was part of an unshakable kingdom. Yes we must
be responsible, Yes we must take care of our business.
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Yes, we have obligations to meet.
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But God is talking, He's screaming, and I predict he
will get louder the more the culture disconnects from him,
the louder he's gonna talk, which means the more trouble
there will be. But that's not our kingdom. So, yeah,
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you're gonna it's gonna be uncomfortable. It's gonna be like
turbulence on a plane. That's not a good feeling when
the plane's jumping all up and down and the pilot
has to get on and says, we are in rough air. Yeah,
that is not a comfortable place to be. But you're
still flying above the situation, and you are to look
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at it through the lens of the eternal perspective, the
eyes of God, not the eyes of other people who
are as shook up as you are, because our God
is a consuming fire. It's like the boy who is
on the plane and he is playing in turbulence. The
lady's sitting next to him, and hold, the lady was
all shook up and just nervousness could be.
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And the blue boys playing in the turbulence. They're both
in the turbulence.
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But he's playing and she's scared, and she says, well,
how can you play at a time like this.
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His answer was, my father is the pilot.
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When you know who's in the cockpit, it changes how
you react to the turbulence. That, yeah, that's going to
be turbulence. Turbulus doesn't feel good. He closes with this phrase,
and I close with it. Our God is a consuming fire.
What does that mean? Our God is a consuming fire?
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Why did he want you to know that? When they
put an animal on the altar, God instructed them to
consume the animal with the fire. The animal would be consumed,
it would be burnt up. The purpose, however, of the consuming,
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was to render judgment in order to free the nation
up for forgiveness, in order that God could continue with blessing.
There would be judgment, in order for there to be purification,
in order that it might be blessing. Judgment, purification, blessing.
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That was why there was the consuming of the sacrifice.
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Our God is.
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A consuming fire, judgment, purification, blessing. I've said it before,
I'll use it again. You get up in the morning
and you're going to work, coming to church, and you
want to iron your clothes you plug the iron in
and you turn it on and it gets hot. You
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pull up the ironing board and you apply heat to
your clothing. Why why you want to make your clothes hot.
The reason for the fire is to remove the wrinkles.
You're not trying to be mean with the consuming fire
of the iron. You're not trying to be mean. You're
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not hating on the clothes because your goal not to
burn the clothes.
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That's not your goal. But your goal is to set
fire to the clothes.
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And the consuming fire of the iron consumes the wrinkles,
removing the wrinkles as you go over the clothing with
the ironing board. And there's a good reason why you're
doing this, and that's because you plan to put it on.
You're gonna wear that, and you know you can't wear
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that with the way it's looking, because if you wear
that with the way it's looking, it's gonna make you
look bad if you wear it without consuming it first,
and says you don't want to look bad going to
work and coming to church. You put a consuming fire
on it, not to hurt it, but because you want
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to use it. You want to do something with it,
So you consume what does not belong by the use
of fire, purifying of its wrink because you won't have
put it on and display it.
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Our God is a consuming fire.
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He renders judgment or what does not blong, and that's
painful in order to remove it, because he wants to
wear it and use it and allow it to be a.
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Blessing to you.
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On Monday, doctor Evans will tell us about something that
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many Christians consider commonplace, yet it could be the key
to unlocking victory in our lives. Right now though, He's
back to close our message with these thoughts.
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The Cross has now given you a new arrangement with God,
placing you in a kingdom that does not shake.
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In spite of the shaking around you.
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Therefore, in the midst of your shaky situation, as bad
as it is and as close as the labor pains
our part, let us show gratitude right now. You may
not have steak and potatoes, but praise Him for hot
dogs and big beans.
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Right now. You may not be making the money you want,
but thank you.
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There's still a roof over your head, close on your back,
and you're not walking.
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Let us should This is not the time to complain.
This is not the time to.
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Cuss and fuss, because God is talking.
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This is the time to bless his.
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Name, render service knowing that our God is ironing some wrinkles.
And when this thing is right, he gonna dress up
in you, and you're gonna be blessed because God Almighty
is wearing you, and he's going to be able to
do some things for which he alone will get the glory.
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And then they will come that one day when they
will be the final shaking, when the whole world will erupt.
That's because Jesus is getting ready to break the clouds,
come back and call his children home.
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He's going to.
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Shake stuff up first, let's called the Day of the Lord,
before his ultimate entrance. What I'm saying to you is
God is shaking stuff up. Because he's saying so, do
not refuse him who is speaking