Jennerally Speaking

Kris Jenner joins Pretty Messed Up and tells all.

Jeannie has to leave the show.

AJ gets emotional.

Is Cheryl retiring?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm pretty Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Pretty

(00:21):
Messed Up on I Heart Radio. I'm a J. McLean,
joined by the beautiful l Cheryl Burke and Knock Knock,
Who's Renee Renee wearing shorts above the knee and ug
boots taking a red eye? Do you borrow his shorts
to rehearsal? Sometimes no, But but to see him in

(00:43):
shorts is already like basically like seeing your own shadow,
like the you know, the Groundhog day. Yeah, not try
doing Yeah, but he told me yesterday that he went
to get food in shorts above the knee and ugg
boots and I'm like, what are you a chicken Malibu
during the summer. We were on the phone late last

(01:05):
night and then I said, look before you go to sleep,
I want you to have this image. I said, I
was wearing shorts with the boots. And He's like stop,
stop right there, please, please, please don't continue. I I
can't like my stepdad, and my stepdad used to be
a runner, and all he wears still to this day
when he tries to run is like Daisy Duke shorts

(01:26):
so high. Yeah, that's not cute. He's got some good legs.
But not cute. I used to if I would wear shorts,
because I'm from Florida, it's always hot as balls. If
I wear shorts, they would have to be past the knee,
have to And now I guess, as I'm getting older,
my shorts are getting shorter and I'm starting to shrink.
So I don't know what's happened. A week ago, I

(01:46):
went to pick up A J's computer at his house
and I was wearing shorts, and then his wife, Rochelle says, oh,
she did like a double tick. She goes, I've never
seen you in shorts, And I said, and now you
know why exactly. Yeah, whenever a J walks into rehearsal
shorts on I'm in a bad mood. Yeah, it's like,

(02:09):
it's hot, man. I want to just I just want
to dance in my shorts. That's funny, it does. It's
it's a weird feeling dancing in shorts like it's just
especially it's not good hip hop, fine ballroom nuts so
much you guys kicked. But tonight, I have to tell you,
the whole the whole thing was amazing. All our friends

(02:29):
were crying and and then I made the mistake of
watching it just before we started recording, and that's why
I walked over and I said, I'm not crying. You're crying.
Oh see, I thought you were referring to me because
I cried for the first time. Really well, let's talk
about that. When's the last time you cried? I don't know,

(02:50):
I'm trying to think about it. I think, honestly, I
think it must have been like during a package. I
don't know if it was during Oh Baby Jack Osborne.
Actually during the final you're very stoic. You're very stoic person.
We'll see you didn't finish so after the performances when
it becomes tearfest, um and and I just want to

(03:11):
say to wait to Derek. I just want to say
to Derek. First of all, you are a stand up
human being and an all around gentleman. Um And when then,
when did you get that quote? And where did you
find that quote? And did that come from you? What
was the quote? What you'll see it? You'll see it
when redone he literally said something so profound that that's

(03:37):
what kicked Sheryl's eyeballs into like here, maybe I'm glad
I didn't see the whole thing because what I did
see when when UM can't watch this piece, it's just
that because we start recording while it's still going on. Right,
you guys are living in real time and I have
to wait for it and sometimes I get to catch

(03:59):
and sometimes I don't. But when oh, yeah, that's right,
I should send you the link. On Monday's we get
a link to watch the Yeah, you can watch the Yeah,
just send it to all of our fans on the
West coast. Yeah. Well, for me, what did it was
that last shot with lyrics. You're telling her you love

(04:19):
her and she said I love you too. God, just well,
I closed my eyes because Cheryl told me prior to
She's like, don't listen to your package. Whatever you do,
don't listen to it. And we're all and and we're
already on stage. The package is going and I tried
to plug my ears and it was still too loud,
so I couldn't tell which one of my daughters said

(04:41):
I love you, but I thought it was lyric and
I was already getting teary eyed, and I'm just like,
don't lose it until you have ninety seconds, don't lose
it till after, because the crap and yeah, and then
to make matters worse right before are we go into
this emotional performance. It's the whole package with Genie and

(05:04):
her emotional kind of speech to everybody, and Gennie, we
are sending you so much love girl, so much love
and prayers and wish you a speedy recovery and get
back get back home to that amazing man yours, and
just let him take care of you. Since you take
care of so many people, it's time to get reciprocated.

(05:26):
We we love you, We love you, Genie, stay strong. Yeah, man,
it was. It was an emotional show tonight, I think
all the way around. And I don't know, man, like
you and I talked about this year all like for example,
Justina's performance was fireball, fire tense. She should have at
least gotten a ten, if not too. Yes, two tents

(05:48):
or three tents. Honestly I would have fine. I mean
like it was a really difficult routine. Yes, it was difficult,
and I'm so confused, just like I think we all
are with the judges judging and how they're judging because
it's so they compare you to you well. But like
for example, like knives performance, he got critiqued by every

(06:11):
single judge, and then he still got three nines. It's
just if you look at his form, he does have
the best frame out of everybody, hands down, he has
like the perfect frame. And I'm jelly of that because
that's my weak that's my weakest linked damn it. Okay,
but I'm telling you, this is what Carriann said for you.
She is waiting for you to still do your breakout dance.

(06:31):
I'm telling you this is your last like standard frame,
like wide frame dance being the waltz to Freddie mercury
Um to his song I forgot the song Somebody to
Love there you yeah, yeah, So this is your chance.
This is your chance to go out there and show
them that you need to still be in this competition.
This is your last chance as far as frame goes.

(06:53):
Oh yeah, tape my elbows together from the back. I
don't know, it's not just the l bows. I know.
Back listen listen to her. My mom said that to me.
My mom said that to me this morning, because who
knows said that to you when we first started, I know,

(07:13):
but my mom went to she she called me this
morning to wish us both good luck and thanks, and
I was telling her all the things that I'm having
issues with, and then she just comes right back with, honey, listen,
just keep your elbows up, press your friend, and all

(07:33):
all the stuff I just told her. I'm like, yeah,
I know, mom, I know. If it was that easy,
I would have done it by now, but obviously apparently
not for me. Rene Renee. This is the problem is
that he doesn't consistently think about it. So when you
see my thing is that I'm still thinking about my
frame when I've danced for thirty five years now, he

(07:54):
for some reason thinks he can take a vacation during
the routine and not think about it. He's out of
his mind. There's no way. So what all he needs
to do is just focus for ninety seconds on one thing.
That's all I keep saying it. I gotta tell you though,
the fact that you guys have to learn something so fast.
I mean, I know, your professional ballroom dancer and closer

(08:18):
to where you need to be headspace, but even as
a professional dancer, to have to learn new stuff like that,
I'm just like, well, we have to choreograph. Yeah, I'm
saying honestly, I was not even um, I didn't get
home to like three or four in the morning trying
to choreograph for next week. I have to be c

(08:39):
you can't let this. You can't go on like you
have to be ahead of schedule on this show or
else you're just gonna sink. I don't know how you
got I mean, the show has been really good so
far about you know, keeping the pace up with getting
us to music, giving us as much time as I
mean possible really, so you know, hats off to them
doing that at least because I know you you had

(09:00):
shared with me, like week one or week two that
sometimes you don't get the music till Monday night, and
then it's like, yeah, I mean, but I'm sure that
the celeb is in full panic mode if they haven't
had a chance to start getting a foundation ready, you know,
I mean, no, wait, you realize that no one works
on their dance until Tuesday. They don't work on foundations.

(09:21):
And I knew, I knew this one was going to
be emotional. I kind of got tipped off yesterday when
a j joined Circle the Wagons you know our zoom
a meeting or you know our meeting, and um and
a j Uh was overwhelmed with gratitude. He literally he

(09:44):
broke down and it made us all cry. It made
us all cry when we see somebody and we've all
had our different times where all of a sudden you're
overwhelmed with the idea that you're no longer a slave
to drugs and alcohol or drugs or alcohol. You know,
it's just it's a miracle. I've always said it's a

(10:05):
miracle that anybody gets sober, because if you think about it,
you have to get sober at a time that you're
the weakest, right like you're you're the worst version of yourself,
and now you have now you have to bottom yes,
and now you have to climb a mountain that you
couldn't climb when you were your best self. And it's

(10:27):
so it's it's an interesting sort of like paradox, you know.
But but we do have to get to that place,
you know, where all of a sudden, everything we've tried
isn't working and and we end up back in that
place and we're looking at losing our families, were looking
at losing everything. I have to say a j that
one of the another crew member came up to me

(10:48):
on the way after we did press tonight after the show,
and um, she's actually one of the one of the
p a s and Um, I've known her for a
few years. She's been on the show for quite a
while and her brother is is an addict, and she
just wanted to say how grateful she is to you
and um being able to be vulnerable in your performance,
and it just really hit home. So for me, every

(11:11):
time I hear something like that, it obviously like it's
way more than what this holding a paddle right, so absolutely,
and you know what you guys is just quickly I
was gonna say, this pandemic has caused a lot of
people to go into relying on drinking to get through it,
you know. And I think that once we get ahold

(11:32):
of this whole thing, or at least get the vaccine
and all that, there's gonna be a lot of recovery
that's needed for a lot more people. That's just my
my guess, you know, a lot. And she also said that,
like she said something about how expensive it is to
go to some of these places. Yeah, it's true, it is.
I mean that thing is like if you know, there's

(11:52):
there's the real slum dog treatment centers that are just
hard on you and whatever, and then there's the see
glamoury ones. But at the end of the time, it
doesn't matter where you go if you don't continue the
work outside of theirs. That's that's really where it is.
Because because I know plenty of people that are in

(12:13):
recovery that never touched a rehab they they showed up
in the meeting for the first time, and the next
thing you know, they do the work and they got
you know, decades of a freaking time. So, I mean,
how many times have you heard someone say that, Ah,
they thought they showed up to the group's right to

(12:37):
learn to stop drinking. And then you you find out
that there's an old saying that says I came for
my drinking, I stayed for my thinking. Right. So we
continue to do this stuff, not because we want to
win you know, brownie button, but just it keeps us
out of out of anxiety. It keeps us out of

(12:57):
all the different harshy motions that lead to needing a
drink or needing a pill. And so it makes you
just take accountability though as well. Right you know, it's
like like me talking about like you know, because through
my years of party days, like ah, in in in

(13:19):
my mind in those moments, I thought I hit rock
bottom when I got sober again for like the fiftieth time.
And obviously it wasn't my rock bottom and I and
it didn't come from my own child. But you know,
somebody once told me, you know, once you have a
case of the yets, that's when that's when things get

(13:42):
put into perspective. I haven't lost my job yet, I
haven't lost my marriage yet. And it's like, you don't
have to get to there if you just do what
you need to do, like you don't have to get
to the yets. I can't help, But honestly, I love
that we have this podcasts and I love that we
can talk openly and honestly. And when I look at

(14:04):
you guys, and I think, wow, you know you could
have gone a different way, both of you. You both
could have ended up. Well, No, we would have not
been partners. First of all, that would have never because
I think Diana originally didn't have you with me, but
just on a dancing level, but then also in the
spiritual level as well. And and but who knows if
you if both of you and I include myself and

(14:26):
continue to drink I mean, we could God knows where
we could be right now, you know, maybe maybe even
even dead. You know, it's like, it's so yeah, I
I just want to change gears really quickly because unfortunately,
in this day and age, nobody can say a single

(14:48):
freaking word and it not make headlines or not especially
you know, like nobody you you you literally can't fart
in a bag and it not make it out to
like CNN the rain next morning, the headline, that's the headline. Agent.
It was like me. That was like me drinking back
in the day. I could not ever leave a club
without being on TMZ the next morning. They'll see there

(15:10):
you go. So that leads me to which I know
in my heart the truth from what I feel from you.
But the latest buzz is Cheryl Burke is retiring after season. Yeah,
let's get into so, let's let's get deep into that. Yeah.
So wait, So I did a podcast called Chick What

(15:31):
another podcast to talk about our podcast? You guys promoting
PM You pretty messed up, obviously. Um So, I think
I was talking about just in general, because the girls
are fans of the show of Dancing with the Stars.
I did the podcast called Chicks in the office and

(15:54):
they have been sheet one of the girls. She's been
a huge fan of Dancing Stars since season one, so
she's known me since she was six years old. I'm old,
and I think this was like the start of okay,
well how much longer? Like I think they were alluding
to the fact that am I going to judge or like,
what do you want to come back next season to

(16:14):
season thirty. I'm pretty sure this was in the same
context of what you're talking about. And then I was like, well,
you know, eventually my you know, my body hurts and
it's like after this fall and then like I'm just
starting to like I don't want my future whoever I
dance with, let's say next season, to have to hold
back because of my old But you know what I'm saying, Okay,

(16:35):
well I'm going on the record right now and say
you would be the most amazing judge. Yes, how do
we start that? We need to start a a p
MU online petition to have Sharlberg be a Season thirty judge,
but take the rightful seat. Next thing is it's starting

(16:57):
to get crowded up there, you know, like four judges.
But we've got to start campaigning for this, because I
think you'd be an asset as a judge. I mean,
you're so you're so meticulous, right, I mean I have
a I'm not saying you'd be the Simon Cowl or
anything like that. I'm saying that, yes, I would, she might,
she might. No, it's funny. I definitely couldn't like BS,

(17:21):
that's for sure. No. But that's what But that's what
makes you so down to earth and so real, is
That's what That's what the show. Yes, the show is emotional.
The show is this. It shows that. But if people
really do want to continue to get better and grow
as a dancer in this competition, they got to be
told the blunt truth. I mean, that's that's it. It's like,

(17:42):
do you want to know what Cheryl's thinking? Just ask
her just as yeah, so really quick. So I don't
know if I'm retiring, but you know, listen, there have
been my family for over fifteen years, since two thousand
and six. So it's really it's like this relationship where
it's like we go back and and then I leave
for a little bit. Then I go and get inspired,

(18:03):
or I go to Argentina and then I'll learn how
to Argentine Tango come back, and then I'm inspired, like
it's important for me to keep my brain challenged, you know,
I can't keep doing the same thing. I'm on an autopilot,
and I get bored quickly. So I'm just like, and
that's not fair as well. Like I've had seasons where
I'm just like, oh my gosh, you know, here I
go again, let's learn to chat, you know what I mean.

(18:24):
But then I'm like, I'm not feeding my brain anything,
so that that's when I get that anxiety, become detached
from it, you know. And well, that's what I mean
that I'm on autumn. Here's the thing in the in
the in the little amount of time that I've known you,
the one thing I do know about you is that
you are a fighter and a trooper, and you're very

(18:45):
determined individual. And you're very passionate person. So and you
yes and and and you're very in and you're very independent.
So regardless of whether you do come back or you
don't come back, I know, some way, somehow, you'll still
be able to use your passion and use what you
do for the better good. I already have so many
different ideas exactly, so you know, somehow, some way, you're

(19:09):
you're still gonna be somewhat dancing. I'm sure I won't
be dancing or maybe on a stage in a skimpy costume,
but like maybe I will be who knows, developing like
a dance program that I want to develop around dance therapy.
But um, but there's a lot of great things I'm
going to campaign for you, But I would love to
use my mouth instead of my body. Yes, absolutely, for money,
but I mean, who better. I'll just say that's gonna

(19:32):
get totally. That's a meme tomorrow. By the way, that's
that's an instant meme. You guys have to stop asking
me questions. I can't say anything. All right, guys listen, Um,
we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back,
we have a very unbelievably special guest. Um. She is
a businesswoman, she is a momager, she is a woman

(19:56):
of many things. Yes, I mean she's an entrepreneur. If
you don't know who who we're talking about by now,
she's a friend. If you don't know who who we're
talking about by now, then you obviously haven't been watching
TV for the last almost fifteen years. Uh, the beautiful
Chris Jenner will be joining us when we come back
for that. Wow, that's lucky. We made it. Yeah, look

(20:22):
made it. We'll see you guys in a second. We
have a very very very very very exclamation points infinity
special guest on with us today. Um, a very powerful woman,

(20:45):
a very beautiful woman, very a amazing mother. Chris Jenner
is joining us today on the show. Very beautiful. Yeah,
that gorgeous woman. You look so beautiful, you guys beautiful.
Oh my goodness, I woke up like this. No, I

(21:06):
did not. I did not make up like this. You didn't. Well,
I mean you know, I my kids woke me up,
and then I had to get ready, and then I
had to play time, and then I'm then now I'm here.
But um, you look fantastic as always. Hi, Chris, I
love you. I love you more. I've been voting for you,
Cheryl like I do every year. Thank you team pretty much, honestly, Chris, Chris.

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This is also the other host of our show, Renee Alizondo. Hi, Chriscome, welcome,
Thank you. I'm awesome. We're so happy. We've been excited
all week. No, yeah, we're going to be on thank
you for doing this. I know you're very busy, so
thank you for making the time. Oh my god, I
would do anything for you, Cheryl. You know that I
love you. I need a dance move. You're right there

(21:54):
for me, you know it. How did how did that go?
Speaking of dancing, how did that go? Oh? Well, we
need to still finish the dance? You know, Cheryl and
um artem and and Corey and I were practicing for
our big dance, you know, presentation for My Day and
that's when COVID hit And that was the last time

(22:16):
that I was actually in public was with you. Isn't
that crazy? And it was like, no, we're shutting down
dance rehearsals and I'm like shutting down dance for her.
What is happening? Yeah, something serious is happening down right?
So do you guys? Never finished the dance then? So

(22:38):
you didn't never performed? No, we couldn't do it without you, okay, Well,
to be continuous to the rows, you know, I thought
about you so bigger, figger things going on, and just
you know, like realizing what was happening and you know,
all joking aside and being serious. It was just so

(22:58):
um devastating for so many people to watch business after
business shutdown. And I mean, who would have thought a
year ago that you couldn't go to a restaurant or
a movie or Disneyland or you know, just all the
different things that we've taken for granted since the day
I was certainly born. Yeah, I remember you walking into

(23:18):
rehearsal with gloves on, and this is when it all started,
right and I was like, wait, what's going on? We
start wearing gloves and then masks, and I mean it's
very surreal time. I mean, we were we were finishing
up our last leg, not our last leg, but like
the middle of our current tour that we're on right now,
which was in South America, and thankfully we were able

(23:39):
to get home. Otherwise I would probably still, you know,
be there because they shut down the borders. And I
was excited to at least get back home to my
kids and my wife. But we don't know. I mean,
my my whole world is going to be the very
last thing to come back. Unfortunately, concerts and live shows,
that's the last thing on the totem pole. But I

(24:00):
know when it does come back, people are going to
be ecstatic because people love live concerts, they love shows.
I was talking to someone last night and I said,
what do you miss the most about life as we
knew it? And their answer was concerts? And I thought
that would believe. You know, everybody has something that's that's uh,

(24:22):
that's their trigger of of what they really miss. And
totally more than one person I've heard really miss the
just the experience of a live performance. And I mean
just being on Dancing with the Stars. I miss hugging
other people. Were so quarantined with our own partner, like
A J and I are only it's only the two

(24:43):
of us, even the producers, Chris, Like when Rob did
the show, you know you saw that there was field
producers in the room. Now they made a whole dance
studio into like where all the producers go, but they
are not allowed to interact with us. We're constantly being
tested five days a week. Um, and it's just really
like want to hug, right, because like we're dancers and
we just want to touch each other. But it's so hard,

(25:04):
it's so it's it's weird. Doesn't it seem so long
ago that all of this started. I remember when they
when the rumors were that the l A is going
to shut down, right And I was like, wait, what
what are you talking about? The whole city. And then
over here where I live in Calabasas, the local store
went into that where everyone was buying everything, and it

(25:27):
happened the day that they announced Disneyland is closed. It's
like that's when it hit me to like, whoa, this
must be serious. The happiest place on earth is shut down.
They shut down literally on my on my youngest daughter's birthday.
The whole plan on March ninete was to take her
to Disney. She's the biggest Disney both my girls are,
but she was turning three and literally that day shut

(25:50):
everything down. And my wife and I to this day
it's like, what are we gonna do come her fourth birthday?
And I was like, we gotta figure something out. We
gotta maybe bring Disne into the house. I don't know,
I'll dress up like Mickey. Got to do something. Because
how has it been for you, you and your family
and Chris, how has it been for the family good?
You know, a couple of my family members have gotten

(26:12):
COVID so from at the time, um, but now that
you know we look back, we feel so blessed and
lucky and just lucky to be alive, lucky to have
each other, lucky to have all of our blessings from
the grand of course, you know, you just start thinking
about all the things you're so grateful for, and so

(26:33):
absolutely did a place of gratitude. Did you panic when
you heard your family members had it? Was there like
this because I imagined for me, if I heard my
daughter got it, my first thing would be like terror. Well, Chris,
my stepdad got it three times, three times, three times,

(26:53):
like because he's a dentist, as you know, and so
it's just three times. I'm like, I don't even once
is enough, but three times? So I know Chloe got it?
Who else got it? From your son? You got it? Oh?
Very bad? Yeah, he had it public, but I don't know.
I well, that's so crazy. Well I'm glad everyone's okay.

(27:14):
Right when I found out Chloe got it. The most
devastating thing is a mom is your instinct is to
go over there and take care of her. Of course,
of course, but what are you gonna do? And I
couldn't go over there, so that you know, I was
terrified because I thought, you know, I'll be darned if
I'm going to let her sit over there by herself,

(27:35):
because I can be pretty stubborn. Yes, it was just
it was a battle of wills for a while. But
he through. She had it for a very long time
as well, and it really it hit her hard, which
I was surprised because you never know, I guess how hard.
And in the beginning when it all started happening, I

(27:56):
think we were all terrified because you don't know what's happening.
Now we have a nation and experience with other people
that have had it, so you can kind of gauge
what other people's experiences. But at this time there was
like Rita Wilson and Tom Hayes, right, people that I
knew that had announced that they had gotten it, and

(28:17):
they were in Australia, right. And then also they say like,
if you're um over a certain age, like my dad,
he um, you know, he already has lung issues from
breathing in. He has basically emphysema from breathing in all
that stuff that you know comes with being a dentist.
And then on top of that he's over seventy and
so it was so I wanted to also go home
to San Francisco. My little sister Nicole wanted to go home.

(28:38):
She was basically like on her way. I was like, Nicole,
what are you gonna do? There's nothing you can do.
You know, you have to just let it be. My
mom was there. My mom never got it. Um, but
I do have a feeling that has something to do
with blood type. I think. I don't know. I've heard
and have read articles about being oh positive. I guess
you're not as susceptible my dad is. My mom's a positive,

(29:01):
and she never got it. Once. After my dad, I'm screwed.
So you know, well Jack Osborne also didn't get it,
and he's also a positive. So I don't know. I
find it to be a pattern, but I'm not you know,
Dr Fauci. So were they Chris, they were they able
to trace back where possibly Chloe or Kanye got it?

(29:25):
I don't think so. I think uh it was it
was just random and we were all so careful. And
by the way, on a good day, all we see
is each other. It's right now, really travel in a
in a pack. I mean we just you know, it's
our little tribe and so um, that's our regular behavior. Anyway,

(29:48):
we're not, you know, contrary to popular belief, we're not
out and about every night, you know, swinging to or something.
So Chris So shooting the show right now, Like obviously,
I'm just assuming that you guys maybe have very limited crew,
limited everything right now, right Like, I mean everyone's obviously
that you know, has to wear masks and probably gloves
and booties when they're shooting, you know, in your homes. Yeah.

(30:12):
So our our parent company we work, you know, is
our network and then parent company is NBC Universal. So
they're very compliant, buttoned up, played by the rules week.
They get tested, right every day, tested every day like
rapid testing. We get the basal testing a couple of
times a week. So we're very um aware of how

(30:35):
we're feeling. We had our temperature taken every day. I'm
not sure what that does, but you know, I just
I think that we're really trying our best. We were
masks unless we're on camera. Um, and then have you
been shooting yourself like in the beginning of all this, Yeah,
so we self shot for the first a couple of weeks.
We were maybe maybe even a month. We were um,

(30:59):
we were of an equipment that was dropped off right
and sterilized you know, packages and taught how to set
it up. And UM, I went to UM, I went
to the desert and shot from there. And we were
all trying to just stay um isolated. And then once
we felt like we were quarantined, then we were all together,

(31:20):
you know, because we had all quarantined, UM, just because
of Chloe getting it. UM, we were all quarantined. And
then and then we started shooting together. And then as
the crew started to trickle in, it just became a
little more normal. And that's kind of where we're at now.
We're we're back to our regular crew, which isn't that
big to begin with. But yeah, and so I mean now,

(31:43):
so now I hear, and it's so sad because I
literally I felt like I grew up watching you guys,
and now, you know, I feel like I'm a part
of your family. Um. After when you guys are done,
I can't believe it. You guys are ending this whole
you know, amazing. I guess journey of so many years?
How long have you guys been doing? Keeping up with
the Kardashian has been over a decade, almost fifteen years.

(32:05):
Oh my god, that's as long as I've been doing
dancing seasons. Right we're shooting season twenty right now, and um,
you know, I gotta say it is every day I
go to work, I think, wow, I you know, we
have a few weeks left and very strange. But listen,
I always say the best is yet to come and

(32:27):
there's always going to be another chapter totally. And so
what's next for you guys, Like do you are you
going to do spinoffs? Or are you guys just gonna
take a break. I think we're going to take a
break for a minute, because our seasons seem to run
into each other and the girls never really have much
of a break and we all have um, you know,
careers and and other businesses that we're doing. So it

(32:50):
gives us time to focus on, you know, what we
need to do and get our ducks in a row
and figure it out. Yeah. Yeah, but I have a
random it was really best going out on top, you
know it would you know totally you don't want to
be you know, hooked off like canceled under your terms

(33:11):
for sure. I just have a question, Chris. I mean
I'm because I've I've I've always been really curious, Um,
you know because I've been obviously watching you guys from
like day one, you know, when you guys were doing
stuff with Benum and Murray and Jeff Jenkins, who's a
really close friend of mine. Um. You know, would you
do anything differently? I like, like, since the show started,

(33:33):
would you would you have even done the show back
when it started? If you were, like, let's say you
were starting it now, would you would you still want
to do the show or would it be something different?
I one thousand percent would have done it exactly the
way we did it, exolutely. Yeah, I have no regrets.

(33:53):
I wouldn't change one thing. I think that the things
that were meant to have a light shined on them
or was a blessing for somebody else to learn, and
all the lessons we learned along the way, and just
all the I have the best home movies in the world. Yeah, totally.
I know. It's professionally shot, and I'm sure I brought
you guys closer together, right, Yes, Chris, Chris, So, I

(34:19):
was married to someone that was famous, So I had
front row seats for fourteen years of everything that goes on,
And I genuinely want to know, like, how do you
keep your feet on the ground. How do you keep
from going insane? Vodka? We we tried that for a while.
We tried that did not really work out. It worked

(34:41):
for a few years sometimes the hangovers and fun I'm kidding.
I um, what I look at each day as I
truly look at each day as a new beginning, And
I think, you know, what would ever happens? Beautiful things
that happened and that are for example, in the media
or something you know crazy happens, or you know people's

(35:03):
feathers are ruffled over this or that. You know, you
just pick yourself up, brush yourself up, and start all
over again the next day. And I think that we
all have really thick skin. And I think, you know,
you have to let me ask you, like, do you
do like is there a function way in your home?
Do you have you meditate? Gurus? Meditate? Like? Is it

(35:25):
a ritual that you do to keep from going crazy? Well?
I pray, I say my prayers. I feel like I'm
very spiritual, and I believe in God and and and
Jesus Christ, and that's what's in my heart. So for me,
it's important to instill those same thoughts and feelings to

(35:45):
my kids and my grandkids, and I think that you know,
we all pray a lot, and we praise a family.
So we prayed before we have a meal. We pray
about things, you know. Kendal used to get nervous about
flying sometimes times, and I would get on the phone
with her. She'd be in another country. We used to
travel together all the time. And as she got older,

(36:06):
you know, mommy didn't always need to be there. I'm
sure she thought it was annoying half the time, but
you know, being another country and she'd be flying home
after me, and she'd be anxious, and I'd get on
the phone and pray with her, and you know, and
it just it's very I know, Rob and I Rob,
Rob and I would pray before every dance every Monday.

(36:27):
So he's very in touch. Also, it is uh with
God and spirituality. How is Rob doing. He's so good,
He is so good. Yes, he's really great. His daughter
Dream is great and he's so in love with that kid.
And so he's such a great dad. And you know,
you never know how, you know, you have kids, they

(36:48):
grow up, they have their kids, and you just don't
know how somebody's going to be as a parent and
he's just wow, just really is amazing. He He's always
been a caretaker. Even though you know I was his teacher,
he still made sure that I was always okay. He's
very very sweet soul, that guy. He is. I really
do admire you as a parent, Chris, because you know,

(37:11):
as a as a parent myself. You know, it is,
especially in the entertainment world, it is difficult, I'm sure
to juggle everybody and to try to separate business from
personal and mom and grandma from business partners and whatnot.
But um, you know, how has it been working with

(37:33):
the girls, you know, building all these amazing brands, but
being able to kind of separate the mom aspect of
it from the business side. I mean, that's that's got
to be challenging sometimes. Yeah, well listen, here's the here's
the good news. And this is you know, some people say,
you know, what is the key to success or how
did you get the girls on this path or the

(37:55):
other path as far as being a mom and a manager,
And I think that I you know, the bottom line
is I could come up with a lot of really
good ideas on a business level, but if nobody showed up,
I would be just another person with a bunch of
great ideas, you know, sitting to my own desk, you know,
in my own office. But I'm so blessed to have

(38:17):
these girls with the amazing work ethic and the way
they you know, kims up at four am in the
gym because she's trying to get to you know, her
business meetings. And they're all the same. They all have
the same enthusiasm and passion for what they're doing, and
they have a lot of uh. They take the responsibility

(38:39):
very seriously of that this is a business that they
want to grow for the rest of their adult lives
so that they have something for their future. And they
now have kids, and you know, so is there that
they they know that as a manager I helped them
achieve some of those dreams and lead them along the
right path and or a nice you know, all the

(39:02):
stuff that goes with that. But as a mom um,
we have the best you know, life together because we're
always together. I feel you're being humble, truly humble. But
you instilled these things in your Yes, I think that
to say manager is sort of short selling yourself because

(39:25):
you have to be a mom, you have to be
a manager, You have to be psychologist best, like you
have to be coach, you have to be a lot
of things, you know, and like a J and I
I have known each other for many years, and you know,
the way we dealt with some of these crazy things
was we did do a lot of vodka, and we

(39:45):
did do a lot of drugs. You know, um um, Cheryl, Cheryl.
Same thing. That's kind of how this show came together
was the people that did all that survive to tell
about it and hopefully be able to help someone else out.
I'm blown away with all the people on your team.

(40:05):
I've never met any of them in rehab, Like I
guess that's what I'm wanted to say. You know, they've stayed,
they've stayed away from those things, and that that to
me is genuinely like time for it. If we go,
like my girls really don't drink um, they don't have
any interest. But listen, I'll tell you. One of the
secrets in raising these kids was really shown because when

(40:30):
I was young and I was in my I had
Courtney when I was twenty three, and when I was
very young and my kids started getting into grade school
and on and on. You know, I was the soccer coach,
and I was the mother, and I was the girl
Scout leader and I drove you know, carpool, and I
got I had the birthday parties, and I had everybody

(40:52):
at our house doing you know, teaching them dances and
and you know, just doing everything tennis lessons or you know,
whatever we could figure out for the kids. They had
a lot of blessings. But we took advantage of every minute.
You know, totally we did as a family. You know,
you you know, my mom and my relationship with each other,

(41:13):
and we kind of we did try to do the
whole like momager thing and mom and daughter, and we
found it to be very challenging. UM. And I think
it's because truly, like it was hard to separate. You know,
we had dance studios. My mom ran my dance studios
that we had three of them. Um, and then it
was like but then I wanted my mom and then
I then she wanted me to like do and talk business.

(41:35):
And I'm just like, it was really challenging. So I
really I find you just admirable and just like a
super woman, because like to be able to balance the two,
it has to be challenging or I'm sure there is
a formula that not a lot of people know about. No,
you were invested in your kids, which is huge, and
even today you still are even though they're all off

(41:57):
doing their own thing. They're all very very successful women,
and they're all you know with with multiple businesses, but
you're still heavily involved like you. Speaking of Chris, I
have to say, Chris, I'm so obsessed with skims, like
I think I have one of everything. I am so obsessed,

(42:19):
like I cannot. I remember actually Kim giving me my
first pair of spanks ever back when she did Dancing
with the Stars, and I was like, what is this?
And so I was like, no one knows undergarments like
Kim Kardashian of telling you it's truly a dream. You know,
it's a match made in heaven. I mean her and shape,
where her solution? Where is everything everything? Where all her

(42:39):
Pj's everything. Oh my goodness. Now, it's amazing to me
that you've built more than just a product. It's a phenomenon.
It really is. Like again not to keep talking about rehabs,
but I was in rehab and one of the times
I was in rehab and they they would take this
out on the outing and most of the people wanted

(43:01):
to just drive by your store, you know, and but
they loved everything about you and your family. You know.
So it's a phenomenon. And that's why I go back
to this, you know, like do you have a guru?
Like what is it? You know? I find it so

(43:23):
amazing that you are so normal, your your your kids
are normal. They're not lighting their hair on fire. And
it just blows me away. Where did you learn how
to do all of this? Chris? Like how who is
your mentor? Well? I think my grandmother and my mom.
I think that I you know, I was a flight

(43:43):
attendant for American Airlines, you know when I was nine
twenty years old, and I learned a lot of really
great organizational skills and how to budget time and how
to process energy and emotion and a bunch of people
and you know, and you start that young and you
have a responsibility and it's not like you can just
jump off the plane if you're tired of working. It's

(44:06):
a lot of work. And I started off, you know, uh,
learning those kind of skills and just regular people skills
and yeah, things like that, and it grew into getting
married and having a family, and taking care of a home.
And you know, my idea of a really good time
is cleaning out an underwear drawer. You know. Well that's

(44:28):
where Kim gets that. That gives me great joy when
you say, you know, besides saying my prayers, I think
the one thing that keeps me saying and my team, anybody,
my kids will tell you that, I just love to organize.
It makes me very calm and it makes me feel
really really good to walk into a pantry and have
everything lined up. Not to me, I am super o

(44:48):
c D two, I have to say. And Kim, I mean,
Kim obviously gets that from you then because even before
all of this, right, was didn't she or she organized
people's closes? Wasn't that what she did? Yeah? That is
so yeah, that is that takes some patience and skill,
that's for sure. So I don't know, you know, you
just learned skills along the way. But I think I've
been very lucky just to know some really amazing people

(45:11):
and being able to cope. You know, hoping is something
that sometimes you have to talk yourself, you know, off
a cliff and yes, exactly the way you want them
to go. So I think having a lot of determination
and and reminding myself that I need to be strong
because listen, everybody has a bad day. I worry about

(45:31):
some of my friends going through period of time we're
going through. And somebody said recently, you know, don't forget
to check on your friends even though it looks like
they have it all together. That we all have to
keep kind of repeating that message because it's such a

(45:52):
crazy time and we're all walking around with masks on
and they're all triggered. Yeah, I mean, it's it's different
for everybody. Yeah, I mean people you know, like since
this whole lockdown started, you know, uh, being able, Like
I should be on the road right now, um, technically,
and and I'm I'm stuck with this one. Um, but

(46:15):
you know the fact that I'm not a it's a
blessing that I get to finally spend quality time with
my kids because I'm always traveling. Um, I get to
really reconnect with my wife because I'm always traveling, and
me being a you know, the you know program of
a like finally getting to really touch into my meetings
every single day and really really focus on myself. And

(46:38):
I think a lot of people are now getting that
opportunity to really look look inward and not really worry
about the materialistic things in life and just really focus
on yourself and all the people that. Yeah, but there
are other people, like you said, that you do worry
about because they they may not they might not have
any structure, or they may not have any let's two,

(47:02):
you know, vent their frustrations or their fears. And you
know some people are not taking this whole thing really
really well, and others are excelling in it. Yeah. I
mean I loved it because all I did was a
bunch of online courses on meditation and just like I'd
love anything self development mental health related. Um So for

(47:22):
me it was great. But for most of my friends,
they just they can't handle it. Do you still do
your what were you doing your art projects? Yes, I'm
definitely so. I found a new love. Instead of vodka,
it's now diamond painting. Um It's like I'm telling you,
it's so addicting. It's so it's kind of ridiculous. I'm

(47:43):
ryan stoning a canvas. Basically, it's like paint by numbers.
Yeah have you ever done that? Yeah? So it's like
it's so it's so healing. It's so crazy. I want
to try it. Are is that what you're doing? You know?
Anything with a sparkle. You know, she loves her sparkles,
believe me, sparkles and her fringe. She loves her friend friends.

(48:04):
Oh yeah, I've been. I've been. I've been hit with
the fringe and the hair many many times. So far
this season I've got some more exactly, do you know?
I think these times that we're living through right now
is forcing a lot of people to look in where
do you guys? Agree? Yes? Absolutely, because I feel like,

(48:26):
you know, somewhere along the lines, I lost track of
what happiness was and what excitement was. And and I
tell people, I don't think it's my fault. I think that,
you know, so sort of songs, movies, everything is like
I would die without you. Everything is kind of codependent, right,
And so the idea that like I confused excitement and happiness,

(48:52):
and I feel like this lockdown has forced me to
see what really matters in life, you know, like A
J was saying, Matti realism and all these things, and
I think that it's easy to get lost in all
of that right until there's a lockdown, and it's like Okay,
I have to look at what makes me happy, you know,

(49:13):
real things. Yes, yeah, real things. I guess that's what
I'm trying to say. Um, what, Chris, what are you
guys doing for the holidays? Like, are you still gonna,
I mean obviously not have your annual Christmas party? Right? Um?
This year? Maybe is it going to be more of
an intimate setting than prior years? So for sure, Yeah,
I mean we're still Um, we're still going to celebrate

(49:34):
you know, all of the things we always celebrated together.
It'll be very small and intimate and you know, focused
on the family. And you know, honestly I cannot wait,
um to turn on the Christmas music. Yes, we watch
the holiday and to watch the Santa Claus movies one, two,

(49:56):
and three over and over, so that I'm getting really
excited in your skimslf elf elf elf, Yes, Yes, my
wife's favorite movie on during the holidays. That and and
the Jim Carey version of The Grinch. My wife's already
started decorating for Christmas. She's already started. That's her favorite.

(50:17):
I have Christmas lights all year around. Yeah. Gives me
joy to just be able to think that we're gonna
have that you know, that feeling in your heart and
in your host and you can decorate. And you know,
my mom and I were talking about it this morning,
and she's very sad because she's not feeling great and
she's kind of been at home. She lives really close

(50:39):
to me, so I'm going to see her right after this.
But I just feel bad for people that are older
and that living. I know this sounds a little dramatic,
but like our living, like the last part of their life,
instead of being out and about in the world and
being able to experience things, they waited their whole lives
to experience. And you know that that whole opportunity and

(51:03):
and life has changed because of it. And just some
of her friends passed away and not connect you know. Yeah,
and that's so important. Heartbreaking a j How do you
and Chris know each other? Because you told me that.
So I met Chris years and years and years ago.
I came over and I almost bought your house in

(51:25):
Calibama years ago. Yes, and that was the first time
I met you. We moved from that house into the
house where we started filming keeping up with the Passions. Yeah, yeah,
and I just had to be back in Hidden Hills
and A J came over and UM saw the house
and I thought, he's going to buy it. I just

(51:47):
know it. I feel it. He's going to buy the house.
So great. Yeah, you know, that was a beautiful home.
Beautiful home. Yeah, that was a good that had a
great backyard. That was it did And I love to
pull the whole set up. It was very it was
very like almost like French style. It was. It was beautiful, beautiful. Yeah.

(52:07):
So Chris, I just saw that interview that Kim did
with David Letterman, and I had no idea how intense
that whole situation was. I was literally in tears on
my couch with our new little puppy, and I was
just like I was, I could. I was shocked at
the detail, um, of what exactly happened. Um, how you

(52:27):
were in the audience right during that interview. How how
was that feeling of we're living you know, we were
all in Paris obviously when it happened, and we lived through,
and it just every time, you know, I think that's
the beautiful thing about one's mind, is that you can
put things in another corner once in a while and
they don't come up again. You know, very took a

(52:50):
long time to get over that and to heal from
that experience. And and we're just her family, you know,
mac ran him. So when she was talking about it, um,
you know, it's it's horrible, it's it's the most horrible,
horrible thing you can think of somebody living through. And
thank god she lived through it. So that's is overlining. Um.

(53:13):
And then they caught all those people, so that was good.
But that's amazing tough and really tough. And and you know,
I think she leaves you know, you know, she's such
a strong woman. She gives me a lot of strength
just by listening to her. And she handles her life. Yeah.
And did you guys work through this as a family

(53:35):
or was it like a therapy or how did you
get through it? I think everybody, you know, together we
worked through it as a family and separately, I think
everybody had to handle it, you know the way that
they do. I'm not a therapist person. I've never been
to a therapist really. Um, you know, I just like

(53:58):
I said, I pray and I try to totally deep
inside myself and um, you know, just find the love
and everything and not the negative. Yeah, and just be
a good and and and you try to be a
good listener. I mean, obviously you know Kim's I'm sure
was you know, venting to you and expressing to you
her emotional roller coaster that she was on during that time.

(54:20):
And you know, there's a lot of I hate to
say it, but there's there's plenty of parents that I've
known that are very like distant with their kids and
they don't listen and they're not present, and they could
kind of care less what their child's going through, and
which is horrible, but um, you know, they're more concerned

(54:41):
with themselves. And you are so in tune with all
your kids and your grandkids and just you know, that's
that's a big thing to look back on. And I'm
sure all your all your kids are very you know,
appreciative of that. We all want to have a mom
like you. Hasn't changed the your day to day or

(55:01):
when you travel? Has it changed? I know, once something happens,
like for me, I've never experienced death of a loved one,
and once it happens and you realize, wow, this is real,
you know, so such a big thing that happened to Kim.
Has it changed the way you go about your day
to day. Well, I think, first of all, something like

(55:25):
that does change everything, just everything. I think that right now. Um.
The I think the most immediate thing it changed for
me was we all have a tremendous amount of security
at our homes. When we're driving, there's you know, people
two cars behind us, a car in front of Like
we're always uh surrounded, high security, which is it makes

(55:50):
you feel more comfortable, and um, they're they're pretty capable.
And then the next thing that I think changed immediately
was just the need to tell people, um where we
were on social media, so you know, instead of like
posting something I'm in you know somewhere, you know, I'm

(56:10):
in Calabasas, Like wait till you leave Calabasas and then say,
oh Calabasas was great. You don't need to turn off
the location on your Instagram, uh, because yeah, we be.
We We had to deal with that with one of
my members, Nick, you know, every time we'd be in
dance rehearsal getting ready for a tour, he would forget
to turn off his location and we'd walk out, or

(56:31):
I would walk out to have a cigarette or walk
out to call my wife on a like lunch break
and there's like a hundred girls and it's like what
how the what the who? Oh? Nick? Okay, I see
what you did exactly. And I think when people you know,
know where you are, that's that's not a good recipe
for safety. And then I think just re evaluating showing

(56:56):
off materialistic things, UM, how you live all the time,
you know, toning that down a bit and y I had,
you know, no desire to be you know, having anything
UM like, you know, jewelry and stuff on that would
be as flashy as we probably would have in the past.

(57:16):
So it taught us a lot of totally they just
come back down to earth and we realized that UM
life is extremely fragile. Absolutely. I have to ask this
one question, Chris, would you ever do dancing at the stars?
You know, wait, Chris, I'll be your partner. I'll be
your partner. Oh God, would I love that? You know what?

(57:36):
I would love if I if you and I could
practice for about three years, three years down and then
we could just roll out there like I We'll get
all twenty dances. I'll start, we'll start, We'll start as
soon as a J and I are finished, hopefully nine
about all the dances and that's right, and then I'm okay,

(57:58):
I think you would do fan test. It's season thirty
next season, so it's gonna be a big one. You
know what. Here's the thing. I have great respect for
you guys. I know, Cheryl, you're a pro and a
j you are have got moves and two But learn
dance in a week and have it not even two

(58:22):
days days? Sins crazy town. I mean Rob had such
a great experience though, right did Rob? Ever? Like in
the beginning he was like cold cold. He was so
much fun to watch too, Like I've watched a bunch
of him with you. He should have much fun to watch.
He really should have won. He he I can't believe.
First of all, he did not know anything about dancing. Nothing.

(58:44):
He's never do um he was have you seen any
of his dances A J You're gonna die? He should
youtubere samba. He looked like he was having the time
of his life. It was. That's so crazy. And I
mean the Adams family tango that we did was so good.
I need to just pull that out. Maybe I'll post that.

(59:05):
I'm telling you we should just reenact it. I'll be
the guy, Okay, they're doing this, you know on Strictly
Come Dancing in England they have two girls dancing together.
Oh that crazy? Yeah, so crazy. Yeah, I could happen.
Every time I hear the Frank Sinatra song that was
dedicated to his day cry every time on the radio,

(59:26):
it takes me back to that moment in the ballroom,
were dancing to that song, and I'll never forget the
joy that I felt, like, here's my kid out there
dancing and nailing it in front of what million? I'm
nailing it? Yes, And that was back when we had
an audience. Now we don't have an audience, Chris, so
maybe you'll be able to do it with me a

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little bit less pressure now. Anyway. We love you so much, Chris,
thank you for doing this. I know you're such a
busy woman. I love you. I love you. Thank you
you for always being so great to me into my
I love you. I feel I feel like we've got
a legit podcast now. Yeah, now that it's it's exactly

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we've actually started. Guy, I'm so proud of thank you
so much doing a great job you're doing. Thank you,
thank you so good to see you again. And I'm sure,
I'll see you again soon and we have to finish
our little rendezvous with the with the dancing, okay with
you and Corey. Well, please send all of our love

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to the entire family and stay stay safe, especially Rob.
Give Rob a big hug. I will, I will, God
bless guys. I love you, Bye bye bye, all right,
thank you, guys, Thank you so much. To Chris Jenner.
I mean, wow, what what a what a woman. I'm
telling you, Chris is not just a mom to her family,

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her media family. She's a mom. She's been a mom
to me, She's been a mom to so many other
you know, people that are not necessarily in her family.
And she's just a superwoman. Really, she's an inspiration. Every
time that I've seen her, she acts like instantly mothering
to me. She's just like she gives me a hug
and she's like, hi, sweetie, have you been like She's

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so just good and down to earth person. Thank you,
thank you so much. That's the thing. Down to earth,
down to earth, and you're right, Renee. Now our podcast
has officially launched. Three mic drops right there, boom boom,
seriously pretty messed up. Mike drop drop the mic. Thank

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you so much, Chris, and uh, you guys, stay tuned
and we'll be right back all right, you guys, I
want to give a big, big thanks to Chris Jenner

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for being an amazing Thank you, Thank you so much,
Thank you, Chris. Yes, she's so lady. You're always welcome
back on the show. Bring the whole fam. We'll just
have a freaking Kardashian party over here some really quickly
before we do our usual reading of y'all's amazing emails. UM,

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I just want to say, just so you know, in
case you didn't know, we tape this show every single
Monday night, right after we're finished on the ballroom floor.
It is Tuesday right now, you guys, And I just
want to remind everybody if you haven't hopefully on behalf
of all three of us. Um, please please please, if
you haven't voted, please vote, and more importantly, please be safe.

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Treat each other kindly and with respect, and uh, let's
all be safe. It's gonna be a crazy day, but
please treat each other with loving kindness and respect. Um. Wow,
you're growing up right in front of my eyes. Little
thank you. Um, So, we have an email from a

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young lady named Samantha. Uh. Without getting into too much detail,
my husband is very reliant on things like alcohol to
get him through hard times. My husband's first instinct when
he falls onto these crutches is to lie to me
about it. I always see through the lies, but it's
become not worth it to call him out every time

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because it does start explosive fights. How do I help
my husband to feel comfortable opening up and being honest
with me about these things while Samantha, well, that's just
me in a nutshell, um, literally with my wife for
in the past, not now, but for years. Um. You know,

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I put my wife through hell because you know, it
wasn't so much the drinking. Um. Obviously that was an
issue because she wanted me to be safe and healthy
and live a long, happy life. But she does understand
that the disease of alcoholism relapse is part of that.

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Maybe not for everyone, but it does happen. But the
lying and not holding yourself accountable was a big, big
issue between my wife and I. UM, and the handful
of times that I was honest exactly how she said
she would respond, which is a little disappointed, but she
could then have time to process what was just said

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to her. So my suggestion to you, um, to your
husband is you know, if you can get him to
a place to be vulnerable enough to be honest and
tell him, Look, I will not judge you, um. You know,
I understand that maybe this is something you need to
do for whatever reason, but it's the yeah, let him,

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let empurged. You don't judge him, number one. And yeah,
you might be disappointed, but at least he's being honest.
And the more he gets comfortable doing this, the more
he will hopefully do it, um and then hopefully get
the help that he may or may not need. Do
you know. Unfortunately, this is a situation around the world,

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happening right now all over, you know, and it's such
a tough place to be for anybody who is involved
with someone, you know, in this case it's a wife
of a husband. Often it's the husband who's trying to
get help for the wife, right, And of course it

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becomes a point of contention because an alcoholic the last
thing they want anybody to do is to get between
them and their alcohol, right, And then the person that
loves them is watching them drown, right, And so it
becomes such a difficult thing to approach because it turns

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into fights, right, Uh, an alcoholic when you and I
could speak as one when when you point to them,
hey are you drinking a little too much, it's like, hey,
it's a free country. I'm an adult, yes, of course,
because for see, the thing I think it's important for
people to understand is that by the time you become

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a full blown alcoholic, it's not I want a drink
kind of thing, is a need a drink. Right. Trying
to part an alcoholic with his liquor is like being
two hundred feet underwater and pulling the oxygen mask off
of the diver. Right, the clause will come out. They'll

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do anything to get it back. So I have to
be careful in skirting this issue. But there is a
program out there for people who are dealing with a
loved one with an addiction or you know, alcoholic problem.
I would encourage Samantha to UM seek that out. There's

(01:07:11):
traditions in our program where we don't really talk about
um these things. But at the same time, when someone's asking,
you need to be able to tell them there are
programs out there. They will show you how to deal
with the loved one. For what if they don't want
to go into one, like, so this is that this
is the situation, right like for a lot of people,

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they don't want to They first of all, don't want
to go into a program. So in this particular case,
the person that would go is not that's exactly that
you just said it you just said is learning the
dudes and don't have how to deal with and someone
that's actively my wife, my wife, you know, she she

(01:07:55):
went through the same you know program that I. Differently,
it's it's subtle differences, but it's very similar because a
lot of us that are you know, we have a
brother or sister, a mother and father, a husband and wife,
a son or a daughter that are an addict and
we're not you your knee jerk reaction is to be

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defensive and aggressive and to put fingers but there. But
but there is help out there for the normi as
we call them, um dealing to deal with an alcoholic
or an addict on their on their level, to understand
and to be a little bit more compassionate because again,
it is a disease. And thank god that those programs

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exist because honestly, imagine you know, Samantha's one, We're talking
about now, but there are so many people that have
that they're watching someone drink their life away who don't
know what to do, And this question does come up,
and I'm glad we have a chance to be able
to at least tell them seek out alan on yep,

(01:08:58):
do you know? Yeah? I mean look, you know, listen
to everybody out there again. Um, you know it's it's
some crazy times we're living in and more than anything,
we need to band together. We need to be as
one unified, loving, caring, peaceful, uh non biased, compassionate, see

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no color, and live life on life's terms kind of community.
So uh as we always say, one step at a time,
one day at a time. We love you guys. Tune
in next week on Monday on Pretty Messed Up. We
will have a very special guest, the beautiful and talented
Miss Caitlin Bristow too. I love you guys, and we

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will see you guys all next Monday. Hopefully share Bear
and I are still on the show. We could talk
about our great performance, but we are legit now. We
are Chris Jenner. We are official. I mean, we are
a poast, the number one podcast on my Heart Radio
at least in this room. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Love you guys,

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Love you guys. I'll see you tomorrow. Cheryl can't wait till.
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