Johnny Gill

The R&B legend talks about his career as a solo artist and as a member of New Edition.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Question. Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio.
We Are Ready, Here we Go. Suprema, Suprema, roll call, Subprema, subprema,
roll call, sep prema sub prima, roll call subdrema subpremo

(00:21):
roll call, My yeah, my, my, oh yeah, mama, my
sum roll call sub sub primo roll call. My name
is Sugar. Yeah. And it's such a thrill to be

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in the same room as Boss Bill Sumo Roma, subpremo
roll call and this boss Bill. Yeah with the rhyme
to say yeah, one of my favorite jams. Yeah, quiet
time to play call Surema, roll call, Surema, Srema roll call.

(01:09):
It's yeah. And Johnny gilt at the end. Yeah, we
mote from d C. Yeah, so he ain't my fair
with the friends camayeh, back up to roam Frema, roll
call name Miss Johnny. Yeah, I'm so happy to say, yeah,
I'm in here with all of y'all. Yeah, I'm a

(01:31):
Ruby all the right. Well, roll call prima, Sema, roll call,
sure roll call, Suma, Surema, roll call all over my body.

(01:51):
Wait a minute, Well, I'm curious, all right, ladies and gentlemen.
Normally I don't I don't do the after the obvious
road call, but the look of darts thrown in my
direction because you cheated. Man, No, I didn't cheat. I
stayed far away from from my mind. I knew that
somebody was gonna take that. Sorry, So wait, I'm actually

(02:13):
curious you had a backup one just engaged? No, that
was it? That was it A friend? I beat it.
I had to ask Bill to look it up because
I was like, he say, want to he won't be.
I won't be, Okay, I was just I was really
impressed if you told me that I stole your road
call and that you had a new one on standby.

(02:34):
I had one almost ready for sand By. Mine was
a real deep cut, so I guess me going first,
I don't have to worry about that. But you guys
go late and I get it. Now. Ladies and gentlemen,
welcome to another episode of Quest of Supreme on my
Heart Radio. How are you? We got Team Supreme in
the house. What's up, guys? Anyway? We got to Steve

(03:00):
hey man, Uh we wait wait? Can we just cut
to the change? Uh? The unpaid Bill just ghost us?
I think he did. I haven't heard. He hasn't even
been on a group chat I never left him. You see, Johnny,
we have this you know co host who's Mr. Broadway.
It ain't got no time for us no more. But

(03:20):
that shows over unless he's working on Max Martin right now.
A few Broadway shows and I think a movie. I'm
not trying to tell his business saying like I got
stuff going on. Yeah, but it's called Quest Love Supreme.
You have to be here. His name into the title.
All right, we could do Question of Supreme. That's what
it is. He's gonna ask for more money for that. Okay,

(03:43):
never mind, forget it. Good to know, and I hope
Fante doesn't get someone want to tell Fonte that we
have enough six Like you see, Johnny, we got another
co host that went out for cigarettes and he has
not come back. But he's been on two or five
thousand head come out for cigarettes, and you know it's

(04:04):
so good. It means they're successful and they don't have
time for us. Look, right now, we're Marlon Jackie, your
main Tito. We're still touring as a unit. Right a minute,
I'm here, you guys. No, No, I'm not even gonna

(04:27):
waste time. I'm not even gonna waste time. Ladies and gentlemen.
Um our guest today is I don't know. He's he's
the last of a I can't say that word. I
won't say dying brief. But he's not a dangered species.
But he's a singer, singer that sounds like he went

(04:47):
through puberty. Yes, yes, a singer singer like I'm sorry,
this is hard to find a male singer these days.
That sounds like he's, you know, older than thirteen. So
we're going to sing more than one note bors vibrato
or knows how the annunciator, you know, just slip off
my red drest. Let's ladies and gentlemen. Uh the master,

(05:13):
the master himself, Johnny Gil. Thank you. That's damn call
you Johnny Jackson right now. Uh, j G. You knows
something I thought, all right? Of of all the I'm

(05:35):
speaking of the new addition alumnus, of all you guys.
All of them have cool nicknames, but I felt they
got lazy with you and just named you j G.
Well I have how come you don't have a I
have two names. It's j gilj j G. And then
Skills that's what they call me. And even though my
company is called J Skills, they all they called me
skills because that's my nickname from them is because we

(05:58):
walk in a room, I would I played the drums
and they were going okay, so then I you don't
keep words and start playing that. Then I on the
guitar and started playing the guitar. So I started playing
because and they kept going yo. It was like, damn skills.
So that that's how your skills. I never knew that.
I just heard him call you j G all right

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instruments I could imagine because of his high school education
and d C. Where are you are you now? You're DC?
I'm just saying as opposed to I went to I
graduated high school. When wherever you graduate high school, that's

(06:41):
where it is. Really Yeah? Yeah, yeah right, John, I
got it back. I got your yeah she right DC.
At what age I left around I was about I
want to say, maybe eighteen when I left and came
to it went to l A. Uh yeah, but you

(07:01):
clocked more years in l A than you have in DC.
Actually pretty much? Are you washingtony and what do you
call yourself? Confused? When's the last time you lived in
d C? I lived in d C oh nineteen eighty five,
maybe eighty six. I think in eight seven I was

(07:23):
in l A. So yeah, yeah, yeah, so right after
chemistry then that was that, Yeah, I see yeah, alright,
well I always switch inside, so you know now she's
dcoll Is here. Yes, alright, So let me say that

(07:43):
you're you're one of our rare guests that I'll say
that you came to my attention almost way before your
music did, because, um, I'll say that in my childhood,
the Internet for black kids was right on magazine. You
have a friend in Cynthia Horn, because she would do

(08:05):
full blown like features on you, and I heard narry
a note. Wow, yeah that was I knew your face,
I knew your life story, I knew everything. I never
heard a note. I don't know you guys. I mean
he really really just very talented and you're gonna get
the scene. That's how Yes, that's how she talks. No,

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And that's the thing, like, because I knew they kept
comparing you too. Of course, either the rich your richness
of of Donnie Hathaway's boye um, the raspiness of Teddy
Pendergrass and I guess by association, um, there is a

(08:51):
deep cut um from the Dell's uh Marvin Jr. Who's
Teddy's idol, but just saying that you looked like me,
you look young, and I was like, no way that
this guy has that deep a voice. But um, finally
one of your videos came on like New York Contracts,

(09:12):
like it was like a show that came on. Yes,
So thus I finally say, okay, that's how Johnny guild
does so described the very curl issue. Just couldn't get
it right. D So you were born in d C.
We're part of d C Southeast Southeast? Is that the

(09:34):
first place? I remember? It's the last place to get
gentrified in d C. I'll just put it that way.
It's still problem. It's so it's actually called Southeast Southeast
Southeast Southeast Southeast, So even now and then it can
come out, but it's buried in there and not trying
to keep it under control and everything. I've got some
help for it. I have a question before you though,

(10:00):
because I know you're from d C, and I always
wondered if, uh, how how deep does go go culture
resident with your alright, like have you ever thought of
truly incorporating like any of those like like did you
ever at all emerge yourself in Google culture and regis

(10:21):
straight church and I was straight church, but I did.
I was absolutely familiar with it, and I used to
play it. You know. I used to get uh my
mom worked three jobs. When I would come home from school,
I would get on my brother's drums, and before you
know it, the whole neighborhood was coming around the house.
En they were all jamin I was, you know, but

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it wasn't something that I put in my music, but
I just that's how I used to practice. He used
to practice school goal stuff. Okay, So with the exception
of New Orleans, I'll say that d C has uh
it's it's steeped in and black music culture in a
way that's not like any other place in the United States.
How is that so? Like? Why is it like the

(11:04):
fact that your brother had a drum set in the household,
especially post seventies. Is well, my dad usual. My dad
was a minister, and you know, we used to sing
and play in church, and uh, he bought all of
us just different instruments. And I was one of those
kids that was just intrigued by everybody's instruments. My brothers

(11:24):
they couldn't figure out why I could play the base.
Why I could play drums? Why I could play the bungos?
And they wouldn't. You know, as a kid, when you
grow up, your you know your siblings. You're fighting, it's like, no,
get off mines. You don't want them play your toy.
So I would play sick and I wouldn't go to school.
Sometimes where younger to school? Yes, I was young. They

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never understood why I could play. Everybody smiths but while
he was gone, he was practicing. I was getting there.
But I didn't know even as a kid that I was.
I would have never been. I couldn't describe it until you.
I was intrigued. I didn't know that's what it was.
I was just a kid, but I wanted to play
the instruments. And everybody would fighting, like no, don't get
on drums, and so I was like, I'm gonna fix you.

(12:10):
How old were you at the time when you started
sneaking on your brother's I was about eight coupn eight
years old and we all had instruments. My dad was
a minister Joe Jackson. I swear to you. My dad
was the no nonsense guy and would make us rehearse.
We would have to go to school the next day,
but we couldn't go to bed until we got it right.

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So all my brothers, although we all sing, and how
many how many siblings? I have three older brothers, so
it was four of us total. And my dad would
make us, put us in talent shows, and but he
used to make us rehearse, and we couldn't go to
bed until we got it right. And when we got
it right, we got us a glass of coke cocacola.
So and then you got and go to bed, and

(12:54):
then you gotta get up early for school. But he
was like, you know, I didn't realize what he was,
what he was preparing me for. I mean, not to
put you on the spot. Are your brother's as good
as singing as you are? Or I have one that
kind of mimics me. He can do what I do.
Randy yea, yeah, he's in the group to the extreme.
Yeah yeah, yeah, So I mean, you know he'll go

(13:17):
at me. As a matter of fact, if you're going
on YouTube on the Arsenio show, you'll see one man
him going at it with each other on art Cinea.
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was going at me,
And I was like, I cat you a little Bama.

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So alright. So the other ones were just musicians. My
oldest brother hated the whole music thing. He was the oldest.
We He used to get weapons when we would come
home from the church because he would sing with his
back turn. So my aunt and my dad used to
get him. He said when he turned eighteen he would
never sing again. He turned eighteen, you know, was sorry

(14:00):
again really like I'm done. He just didn't like it,
but he had to because when you know, my dad
used to make us all singing place with the family business. Yeah,
he could sing, He could sing, he just didn't want
he didn't like it. He didn't like it, and my
dad and they used to stay on him about because
he used to sing with his back turn, like he
didn't want to face the audience, and he would get

(14:22):
in trouble for because they knew he was doing it intentionally,
but he just didn't like it. But he could sing. Wow. Yeah,
and no regrets it on his part, like I could
have been in contending ever looked back, never looked back. Okay, okay,
I see. So what was your your period at Duke Ellington? Um.

(14:42):
I know many of the students, well you know, that
that have going there and excelled or whatever. But during
your period, Um, what was it like in your environment?
Like did you have talent not talent shows? Where you
other groups or no? You know, I went and honestly,
I visit uh Duke Ellington. Uh, Stacy went and I

(15:06):
went there with her maybe a couple of few days
or so. And at that point, I kind of like,
uh we was having actually we was sitting there talking
about the future of my, uh my career at that time,
and I just went there. I really went there a
couple of like maybe a couple of days at the most,
and everybody was saying, well, he's he went to Duke Ellington. Analysis. Yeah, yeah,

(15:34):
I went. Where did you really go? Where? I went
to Kimball Elementary Susan Jr. High. And after that, Stacy
and I both got we we were tutored. When did
you get your record deal? I was fifteen and we
recorded the album and um, after the album came out,

(15:57):
the Johnny Gil album, the first one was when shortly
after that, Wait, I'm sorry, wait, wait, wait all right,
I'm cheating a little bit. Uh Jam Jam is uh
texting me right now? I hit him early this morning
ny Day, he says. He says he has terrible taste

(16:18):
in his own stuff. He hated my my mind. Wait,
he said, he's sitting in a paragraph right now. Boy,
we'll get to that. We'll get throw me on the
you hated it from the jump, but you just sit.
I just let's get We'll get to that. We're jumping

(16:40):
a hand. We're jumping a hand. We're jumping the hand.
I get it, I get it. We're on the first
half anyway. So yeah, you So why is it that
they claimed you for just three days? And because I
became famous? I see, I see, And man, they always
kept I mean I would hear it all the time.

(17:01):
It's like, yeah, you went to do Gallington. I said, yeah,
for a couple of days. Because y'all was the first,
you think about it, Johnny Guild, Stacy Lattiso. After that,
that's when more famous people came from Duke Allington. But
really they were the first, like well famous, yeah, but
you know they say it's a very special place. I
mean it was Marvin Gay, I mean, it was Freddy
Parent I think was from there. I mean, you got

(17:22):
Tony Braxton. It was quite a few. I mean people
that had the DC connection. Was how Freddy ended up
proucing your first song? You know, I don't know, but
he I know that when I signed with Atlantic Records. Um, well,
Inde Allen was the one that actually that was his
idea to link up with Freddy parent for some reason. So,

(17:44):
so was the story true? Like how did you get
your deal? Was it okay? So that was real? I
didn't know that was just like a label thing like
Diana Ross discovering the Jackson like that sort of. It
was crazy because you know, Stacy and I we we
all grew up in the seeing neighborhoo. We Stacy's house
was like the that was the playground for everybody. I mean,

(18:05):
you come to you go to school, you come home,
change your clothes, and everybody meets up with Stacy's. We
know something's going on. Well we're gonna be playing, uh
was gonna be going to the movies or going roller
skating or it was like everybody would meet up at
her house. She still organizing. And I tell you what
happened whenever we were in the glee club together in
in elementary and even back then we didn't we weren't

(18:29):
very good friends. I mean we just you know, what
was the acquaintance. And then one night, one day we
were it was raining and everybody had to go downstairs
into her basement and she said, okay, we're gonna have
a talent show. She was like, everybody has to do
something or you gotta get out. And mind you, I
wore suits to school, so I was like, I used

(18:51):
to wear a double breast of suits. Oh yeah, I was, no,
I was listen. My dad was a minister, and I
think I didn't realize that at the time, but I
believe that I was really influenced by him and didn't
realize that because they used to, let you know, my nickname,
my brothers and my god brothers that was next door.
They used to call me. My nickname was reb Nite.

(19:15):
Used to go here, come reb Nite. But I used
to wear suits, and I and I just felt comfortable
in suits, and nobody made fun of you in your suit.
When I had three older brothers and three god brothers
and next door the ones that the next door they
would come home for lunch and you see him with
blood on this stir what happened and beat up the teachers.
At one point, I thought people didn't want to talk
to even say hi to me. That was kind of

(19:36):
like I had a pretty deep on me. I mean,
so I could wear whatever I want I see. Okay, Um,
so what was it? How much? How much time did
she have before? Uh? How many years did she have

(19:58):
on you? At least jump start Stacy. Let's see, she
had about at least three years. I would say, yeah, yeah,
eighty one because she had that album with van Um McCoy. McCoy,
I think that was the very first one and let
me be that was the first one and let me
be with that young in love. Maybe then there was

(20:20):
the one that she did with Da Na. Yeah, I
think then she wind up doing another one with Narda.
But yeah, she had had about three years on me
before that. And you know, back then, you know, I
was just y'all just lived on the same blot. No,
I lived, uh maybe about ten minutes from them, But
I used to ride my bike over there because that
was the stomping ground. Everybody would hang out over there.
So I would go home and I used to ride

(20:41):
my bike with my suit on. So wait, I'm curious.
So when she got established, did she still maintain these
friendships or was it. Yeah, yeah, that's when she opened
for the Jackson's and on stuff. Yeah, we would. We
were all during that time. Everybody we was hanging out
back and of course, you know, being to plan. I

(21:06):
was just you know, this was before I was even
in the game. You know, you understand, the man was
still I was still standing up on the pimp what
I'm saying, I was king. So with your first album,

(21:37):
with your first record, um, I always wanted to know,
how did you manage to pull all of these heavyweights?
Were you even aware at that young age, at the
level of heavyweights that you've come in contact with. I
mean you for which one the very first first of
all the moms saying hindsight because they weren't none of

(21:58):
them were household names at all. You're working with them,
but eventually in time it's like like your first record,
like freaking Elliott Wolfe. Well, first of all, Freddie Parent alone,
who give us? How did you know? How did you
like working with him? I used to call him Pops.

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And Freddie and his wife Chris Parent they took me
under their wings, and I swear to you it was like, uh,
Freddie told me and really prepared me for what was
to come ahead. Um. I used to stay with them,
uh and Chris used to Uh. They treated me like

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I was there their their their their sons. So but
Freddie used to tell me all these stories about working
with Michael Jackson, and I was gonna say for the
listeners out there, for Freddie Parren was part of what
we know as the corporation, like the kind of the
last of the you know motown as a factory where
teams and people are working together. So the corporation was

(23:05):
Freddie Perren, Uh, the Manzal brothers, jam Master Jay's uncles
and Dee um. So basically they wrote like I want
you back and like all the Jackson five really young
hits um. Then he wrote like he worked with the Silvers,
did Boogie Fevers, Glory Ganner, I Will Survive, a little

(23:26):
song called it so Hard to Say Goodbye, the t bars,
all the tabar stuff like more than a Woman, And
one of the big ones was that Saturday night, Yeah Saturday,
if I can't have you? Yeah, he was so yeah
I did, Yeah, reunited to take group. He wrote a
few good songs. Yeah yeah, So I never heard of anyone,

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and I remember recording when they came in and said.
We were in the middle of recording when he said,
came in and bought Freddie Perren a song, and he says, man,
listen to these little kids. Let look kids, sounds just
like Mike Jackson. And guess what it was? Can girl
sitting in there and listening to it? He I think
he produced Under the Blue. Yeah, he sure did. I

(24:13):
that I had that on vinyl still after that. Yeah,
but we sat there, we listened to it. He was like, oh,
this this kind is pretty cool. Little did he know? Yeah,
little did you know? Little did you know? I wasn't
recording my first album when that single? Yeah? But even okay,
so there's one name on the credit of your very

(24:33):
first record that is killing me. How the hell did
Lawrence Hilton take up why the keyboards boom boom Washington? Yes, yeah,
he was a writer or Joe Jackson. He was a
scream please give me screen. He was right. I didn't know, Yeah,

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I knew he had an album out. Yeah, he was
a writer, and he wrote this all I'm sorry and
uh yeah yeah, and I was in Oh he submitted
the song to you and that's how Yeah, and he
worked well, he was submitted to uh to a pretty parents,
and that's how it came about. And I was like
when he walked in, I was like, Yo, that's Freddy
Boom Boom Washington. I knew when I when I came

(25:20):
to Los Angeles that that was going to be my home.
And I knew it. I was like, listen, I'm coming
back here. This is where I'm gonna live. And I
was just a kid. Did you I mean, did you
feel as though, well, I mean back then, I don't
like colt col tillion? How do you pronounce it? Then? Man?

(25:41):
What were they? What was it like as a label
to be on Cortillion? Because it wasn't straight up Atlantic?
But I mean I didn't know the difference. I was
a kid that was walking into blind Were your parents
marriaging you or like? No. I had a young man
by the name of Bill Underwood, Mr willis him in
the Wood? Very well? Yeah? He was uh, you know,

(26:04):
like I said, in a lot in my life, I've
had a pretty deep army um and you know, he
just you know, he was like a brother and a
father figure to me and he really really really um
just protected me and taught me the game. And it

(26:26):
was funny because Atlantic. You know, even when I recorded
my first album and they put it out, nobody didn't
tell me that, you know, you record himself with two copies, right,
I didn't know. I'm like, I had no idea that
what I did was a failure or success. I didn't
know nothing about anything. All I know is you're going
your record and back then, to get a record deal

(26:49):
that was something huge, and I just I always assumed
that means you gonna be a start. Like it never
dawned to me like, oh wow, the first one didn't work.
I had no idea. I was just was what was
promotion like? Because again I knew of you. I didn't
hear your music. I didn't hear it on the radio
and in Philadelphia until I saw hot tracks, But like,

(27:10):
what was promotion like? Back then? We had to go
to radio stations. We was going from station to station,
and uh God, bless Frankie cock Crockery at the time.
Frank and I became great friends later and I'll never
forget him and Bill going at it. That was his

(27:32):
and they used to they were, I mean, but they
were really tight. Um um. But you know, I Cotillion
was a label and I everybody kept saying, I don't
know what happened? What did you do to uh? To
Henry Allen, who was the president of Atlanta con Tillion

(27:52):
Records at the time, because he was a tough, tough,
tough guy and some reason he took a liking to me,
and it was like listening, He's like, Johnny, Johnny ain't
gonna be a big star. Yep, we're gonna move you
back to d C. Because we didn't moved to Columbus, Georgia,
and because my mom was getting back with my dad,

(28:16):
and so my dad bought this house. And I'll never
forget he bought this house and we didn't like it,
and I'll never forget. We were all talking and asking
him about maybe finding something else for us, and we
actually I remember walking in the front yard of this
particular house and I had my hands in my pockets

(28:37):
and I was looking up and I was like, man,
what I wouldn't do to be in Stacy's shoes right
about now? And why did I get a call a
few days later from Stacy saying, Hey, I talked to
the president of the of the label about you, and
he wants you to make a TABI wants to hear

(28:58):
your boys. I'm my demo was a twenty nine a
tape recorder. Where you put that? Was it the radio shack?
What did you sing on it? I sang um uh
the greatest love of All and people Bryson's fieled the
fire and I remember him calling me and asking me

(29:21):
to sing on the phone, and I sing, uh the
man hadding a dollar shining star. And so he had
me to sing that for everybody on the phone. Then
he went upstairs to the next thing and put me
on again, and I said, yeah, yea, yea singing that?
Sing it again? Yeah, yeah, Johnny, have ever been on
the plane before? I said, no, sir. He goes, yeah,

(29:43):
we're gonna fly you up here. We're gonna put you
on the plane and we're gonna fly you up You
know you're gonna be big star. Wait, I gotta ask you.
All right, So your voice is it's very unusual? I mean, no,
even well, it's just that, uh, it's very I think

(30:07):
it's for people to use that much power in their barre.
Are you naturally a baritone? Like? What are you? Yeah?
Like I don't strong baritones to me usually, like even
even in Well, Barry White is based, but I'm saying
usually baritones are more soft. But you're like mac truck

(30:27):
going a hundred miles per hour. How do you actually
like how do you train your voice? Are you the
type of that just sings all day in the house?
And like, well, my mom used to tell me that
all the time. And I used to She used to go, Okay,
John R. We still I asked my mom just recently,
said Mom, what does the R stand for? She goes,

(30:48):
I don't know. She's always called me John R. So
she used to go, John R, can you shut the door?
And I would be in the rooms playing the piano
and singing and uh And you know, I told her later,
I was like, yeah, mom, uh so what you got
to say now? Yeah? Yeah, But I meant like, do

(31:12):
you traditionally like seth riggs train? No? No? No, you
know it's crazy. Is this room too cold for your voice?
Right now? I can sing none of those things? Yeah?
Actually can singing asleep. I've been going to do that.
What do you wait? It is Johnny the first singer
singing we ever. Yeah. So I have so many questions

(31:36):
about you know, and God bless You's not hearing everything
you've heard everything like oh the air gotta be off,
my throat closes real or is that just psychopathmatic? Absolutely? Absolutely,
because if I'm around cigarette smoke, I can still sing,
but you it makes it tough. It makes it tough
to be able to do things that you want to

(31:56):
do vocally. But I can still get through it. But
I've had places where saying with her, the cigarette smoke
is going and it's like, hey, this is not good.
So for a vocal session, how long can you go?
Boston the wall hard before you're you're wearing out and
you have to back in the day, I could go

(32:17):
none stop these things. Give me about a good guy
hour maybe so, and then I'm gonna do like a Rethich.
She comes in and sing them down too or three
times ago, Okay, that's it. Then maybe they tell me
that he's also one take, say you get one song?
Was just like, all right, that's it, that's it. I

(32:38):
did it, and I can go about an hour and
and it's funny because I was sitting this and go no, no, no,
I think I can do that better. No no. So
I'm one of those kinds. But after a while, I
you know when it wears down, and then I'll sit
rest it for a minute, and if it feels like
I can still go again, I'll go, come on, let's rock,
Let's go. It's part of that you just don't want
to overthink it. I think part of it is just

(32:59):
that you know you're the voice. It's it's a it's
a muscle, and it's like, no matter how much you
know you do to vocalize and exercise and make it strong,
it's like anything else, it gives out at some point
where it's just like I ain't got it there. There's
been many nights I didn't have a voice, and then
you go into showman chilmen uh mode where it's just

(33:19):
I'm like, okay that now you're saying, And then I
didn't go from the Brown method. Yeah. You just find
ways to get around it. And I've always been able
to just figure it out, even though you know it's
like I'm not where I need to be and I
know I can't get there, but it's like I'll figure
out a way to get it, make it work, make
it happen. Okay, the other day, a matter of fact,

(33:42):
last what was a couple of days ago, I was playing. Um,
I just played. That's why you know when you're traveling
so much. I just played somewhere just a couple of
days ago, and the the track gave out. Oh and
this was for the event that I was doing, so

(34:02):
I only had to do a couple of numbers and
I wasn't gonna leave there. They did not want to,
would not let me leave without singing out of my mind.
So I'm sitting there, I'm thinking, I'm going, Okay, now,
what the hell are we gonna do here? Because my
my engineer, the song guy, he was going, it just
got bros. I don't know. I can't it's not even
any here. I can't get it all over the world.

(34:23):
I'm thinking. So you know what I did because it
was a band that was playing, that was gonna play
even after I finished. So I told them, I said,
you know, I said, when I came in, you guys
was in here jamming, and I said, I was truly inspired,
and you guys sound really good. And I said, why
don't you guys come on up here with me and

(34:44):
let's just jam a little bit. And that's how I
started my mind and we rocked them through that and
kind of smoothed into that. They have everybody else to
sing along with me because I didn't have the backgrounds
all the other stuff, and it was like everybody was
just in their rocket. Yeah. And one of my buddy
they knew the bridge and everything they knew, and he said,

(35:05):
oh my god, he said, bro, did you just yo
what you did? Do you know what you just did?
And I said, yeah, I had to think on my
feet the best to the best do that. All right?
So all right, I'm trying to rush to your entire

(35:26):
history and back to that. But okay, So of course
the Walden Jackson Glass team produced the Stacy last Saw
album with you Perfect Combination Album. Um okay. Is Nard

(35:49):
is one of my drumming idols, and every time I
see him, I think he's trying to hypnotize me because
he has a very little google really really lovely you know. Yeah,
well you know house out your spirit is that cosmic?

(36:11):
Are you happy? Is he that cosmic seven twenty four
seven where sometimes you stop rubbing you go, hey, listen,
I don't even beside. I'm cool, right, he is like,
you know, like the Brothers in the Airport that, like
the Harry Christener thing, like walk up. He just came

(36:33):
out of nowhere or me and l A X one time, like, brother,
I just want to say, I said nor to Michael Walden.
He said, yes, brother, I just want to say, it's
such a blessing to see you on Night Teller and
he just whiskered me to sleep. I thought he was like, literally,
he just the universe tell you man, it's it's very

(36:55):
few special musicians like you come home. You know you
want get no, but he's gonna hypnotize. Sounds nice, nice
rest he wrote enough, he wrote and produced enough of
my favorite songs. Oh yeah, he wrote. I mean he's
done a lot. Yeah from Angelo. I was just gonna say, literally,

(37:18):
you're for your first three records, including the duo album,
you literally worked with everyone that would normally be on
Clive Davis's Uh speed Out without ever having to be
on Arista record, which is kind of weird. Basically, you
just didn't have the muscle at at whatever to to

(37:43):
push you through. Was it hard for them to try
to figure out hard how to market you because like
by that point, hip hop has settled in and it's
sort of like you weren't teeny bopper at all, So
how is it? How is it to see? But now
minutia or kids kids music sort of just pass you

(38:07):
by while you're like, hello, what are my chop liver?
Like that? And that's when the universe aligned to everything
up and I became a part of a group calling
the addition. Remember new addition was the kids with this
this boy band that was they considered call them bubble
gum bubble gum group. Um. So when I joined them,

(38:34):
the thing about their fans the only thing that they
knew of me, and they would say because I was
just you know, the talk of being a new guy
was have you guys heard that new guy that can sing?
And I mean they weren't singing. I don't think they
were singing, but that was the way they described me.
And it was like almost like okay, so singing is

(38:57):
is cool? All that's it's in, because I mean, they
loved the group, so it was always and they and
they had their following singing novelty now so you don't
let me think about it from us. And then there
was the Joe disease and the Boys the Man, and
the list of the whole being singing thing was like, oh,
that's the thing, and then you start hearing people going
all that, can you thing? They can sing? He can't sing,
and it was like You're going, wow, okay, but that's

(39:19):
it was just perfect time and outen say, I think
with that and with them, um, the way that happened,
that was really what gave me the exposure that I
needed and I think for even a younger generation to
appreciate just me being a vocalist. That wasn't the greatest dancer.
I was just the vocalist. Where did you meet them?
And what did it mean for you to just kind

(39:42):
of not take a back seat, but to be a
team remember or of a situation and just have patience
until having your own thing your turn. So one, when
did you meet them? And then how did you we
would you knuance a relationship with First, we actually crossed
path many times. They show that on the movie that
y'all knew each other before. Yeah, we were just on

(40:05):
a couple of shows, several shows and we're talking, Yo,
it was happening and all that kind of stuff. Um,
but um, I you know, we we hung up briefly,
and then um, I want to say Michael was probably
the one business that uh you know that that I

(40:26):
was at a show at a concert, a Whispers concert
in l A. He was the one that I said, Yo,
let me haul at you for a minute. Are you
do you prayink call people? You know you do? And
he goes, so, let me ask you a question like

(40:48):
like like do you feel like you got your just
do like as a singer? And I looked and I
did this and I went people. So and he asked
me and invited me to come to lunch the next
day with them, and I was like, because I was
in l A. It wasn't doing anything. And I went

(41:08):
to lunch and I'm thinking nothing about it. Then he
asked me, say you want to come check our show
out because we were playing. They were doing the ice
capages or something. So I said, yeah, not from them,
doesn't exist anymore. Is another thing just doing this and
ice cupage they have to performed at they have somewhere,
and yeah, I know I'm not guys, don't kill me.

(41:35):
So then they asked me, invited me to lunch again
the next day, and I'm gonna I said, um, yeah,
I'll call. And that's when we sat around and started
talking and then they asked me about um, being a
part of the group. They were talking about they wanted
to go back to having a five members so that
they can the choreographer, you can look more effective and

(41:57):
more a little did I know it was far from
what that was. I had no idea that there was
this kind of terminol that was going on inside of
that group. But it was just something that just happened.
But you know, ultimately, um, I believe that it was
just fate and destiny that this is where were supposed
to be. It was always so interesting that they went

(42:18):
with a voice that was so different than the one
or and from Bobby's, like the one that was gone.
It was that was well, that's what you gotta get
my credit mindset. Mike said, you know, our audience is
growing up and they get time of like he kept saying,
y'all's the bump up sounded people connecting us with like,
you know, we gotta grow up with our audience. So

(42:40):
his whole thing was like, yo, your voice okay, So
explained to me in hindsight of course, and you know,
of course we all see in the biopic Steve, yes,
you than me, okay, So just explain to me what

(43:18):
not even the division of labor. But what is truly
when you're in a five man group, like who is
sort of the captain of it that makes decisions or
is everything totally just diplomatic and we all get is
always constantly just a bunch of madness, a tug of war,

(43:42):
tug of war for for for for power, struggle for power,
who wants to be and when you feel empowered to
be able to use your voice, because I mean, you're
the late one on them. I came in immediately and said,
I was watching two guys that were the security guys,

(44:03):
and they were running picking up girls from airport, going
to store, taking to people's I mean, it was non stop, NonStop, NonStop,
and they're looking at me and I'm looking at them
and I'm going yo. And they were like, we haven't
slept in the days. It's like it's NonStop of NonStop
trying to handle four or five guys. I said, you
know what, I called the meeting. I'm the new guy.
I called a meeting and I said, you know, um,

(44:27):
these guys out here and they're supposed to be protecting us,
and they got our lives in their hands. And I said,
the last thing that I want is some disgruntled worker
here who's claiming that they're working hard, and they're saying
they're really totally underpaid. I think that at the end
of the day that we're gonna have to figure out
a system that allows them to feel good. I know

(44:48):
their job is to protect us, but they'll go the
extra mile when you've got great hard workers and your
your appreciation. And I said, so we need to sit
down and figure this out. And so we came out
of the room and successfully got them a raise, and
they thought Johnny for president. He knew you you know,

(45:13):
I was standing and I was outsider. So I'm standing
there looking at all this stuff that's going on, and
you know, and for me, when I joined the group,
the thing is I always had still had obligations to Motown,
well actually m c A. But when Gerald Buzby moved
over to Motown, gerald Buzby questions. So when I went that,
I knew I still had an opportunity as an artist

(45:36):
to be able to express myself artistically. So it didn't
matter to me about being a part of the group.
As a matter of fact, I often said that it
was about teaching me and giving me balance to be
able to be a team player and play It's like
being on the basketball team and knowing what your role
is and then actually being able to go out at
some point and do what I needed to do. Uh.

(45:57):
As an artist, I always knew that, so I was
always comfortable with whatever role that they had to play.
Jim Listen. Terry Lewis told me when we got there
and said at the table to start recording. When I
first when I came there with him, he said, you're
probably not gonna sing on this album? Said, no, no problem,
just whatever you guys need me to do. The heartbreaking, Well,

(46:19):
I can tell you what I did do though a
demo singer, because I was singing most of the stuff
that they would say, and then they would come back
and Rickles sing the stuff that I was doing. I
was like, oh, I'm a demo singer here, huh. But
sing on five parts version of the I was gonna say.
I was gonna say that, how intense were none Brooke

(46:42):
Payne uh tasks in this period of New Edition, as in,
do you guys do vocal rehearsals? Do you guys decide harmonies? Like?
We left that all up to Jimmy and Terry. Brooke
handled all of the choreography stuff. I'll never forget the
day that they asked me. But joined the group and

(47:05):
we went over to Ronnie's house and they had Brooke
the meetings over there, and so Brooke calls, okay, so
well let me see what it is. He can he
do the cross step? And he was like, yo, can
j can you just do the cross steps? Then it
was that stuff and then Brooklyn, Yeah, Brooke looked, I'm
just wining. Yeah, like the video do I look like

(47:29):
God you had two left feet like that? Oh? Yeah? Man?
Not even that was a church point what shave. So
there was no dancing, no, no secular stuff at all. No,
I mean the only second stuff that we would get
is doing family um a cook house when you would
hear Marvin games um some of the other ones. But

(47:51):
other than that, there was nothing but church, Musican house,
just the Holy Ghost dance. Was any heartbreak though? Yeah? Yeah,
well so he had to work all right, so hard.
How long did it take choreography was? How long did
it take for you to finally catch on? Wow? We did? Gosh,

(48:13):
that's some It was a while. It was a while
because what Brooke would do. He makes you rehearse and
in front of the mirror. Well, when you learn dances
in front of a mirror. For me, because I'm not
a dancer, I'm like, you learned these routines in front
of the mirror. Then he removes the mirror. Now you
have to learn it and you have to have remember

(48:36):
memorized it and deform and all that stuff. So it
was almost like, just let me start right now, just
remember it from here without the mirror, so I can
just have it down first. It was like, no, you
gotta learn and see what the form is, what you're
doing with the hands where everybody's hands are. So it
was a freaking nightmare. What was the logic of? All? Right?
So when I first seen uh, your first tour with him,

(48:59):
you got used the temptation microphone set up? Yeah, yeah,
what was the logic? Man? And also anytime you guys
perform you never did the traditional format of you always
have the diagonal thing. What was the logic behind that? Well,
because it would work for the for for the choreography,
because it's a different stuff that we was doing that

(49:20):
was intricate. So it was like we were switching mics
and switching positions, and so he would sit them that
the mics in positions where their best work for everybody
because at the end, somebody was gonna be over here
on this side, somebody's gonna be on this side, just
based on the routines. So and the that the five
mic thing was really that our whole temptations kind of

(49:43):
trippy thing. But it was like we did a little
medley there on those on the mics, but everything had
like Brooke just had an eye and of that was
just out of this world, and he what have you doing? Stuff?
Where you go it doesn't make sense to me until
it all comes together and you go, oh damn. So
all the staging and the creativity that usually is like

(50:05):
Brooks brain child. Yeah, and then you would think, oh man,
he's just picking on me. He goes, and he would
make us go through each We had to go through
the whole show from the beginning to the end altogether.
Then you go one by one to go through the
whole show. Wait what and if you mess up, start
all over again, start back at the test. True, can
you imagine what I had to do? I don't think

(50:27):
you understand, but you gotta right because y'all still do
shows every once and again. You're not You're not the
one that falls short anymore. Like no, no, Mike is
always the one that will go left. And then we go, Mike, Mike,
that's the wrong y'are wrong, man, that's the right way.
That's the right one, isn't it. Everybody's going this way?
All right? So since we're here, Jam just hit me

(50:49):
down and says, ask him why did he hate singing
Boys to Mend? Oh that's the song? Yeah, you know
when Terry told me, he said, you're probably not gonna
sing any songs on the album. And then I wind
up started singing these songs like Kine standing rain and
doing Athletes and all that stuff. I'm going, shoot, I'm thinking,
why can't just sing that song? So and um, after

(51:13):
out of all those great songs, the very last song
that they decided they was gonna let me do a
lead full lead on was Boys the Mend. So I'm going, oh,
this is some political bullshit. I was like, oh, I
think they just messing with me now, because they just
and I said, okay, so they're gonna give me this
piece of bull that sing as a whole full song.

(51:33):
And so I said wait time out, wait, wait time out,
all right? And I was that. I was really mad, like,
wait a minute, listen, it's nineteen all right. Then came
out on the eight seven. It's eight. So I'm assuming
you've recorded in the eighties seven. Okay, so Jim and

(51:53):
Lewis are the height of their powers at this point.
You had an opinion on a Jam Louis song. Yeah,
in the eighties seven, Yeah, because you gotta remember, I'd
already sang on can You Stand the Rain? And um, um,
you're not my kind of girl? Uh any heartbreak, any heartbreak?
And I'm they're letting me unleash. And then it was like, okay,

(52:15):
now we're gonna give you a song for yourself, and
I'm going the hell like really, And so I'm listening
to the track before there was even because there was
no vocals on there. I was gonna say, how do
you get a song? Who demo? Were you demo all
the songs on Heartbreak? First? I didn't demo all of them.
I I just would on most of them something I
would do ad libs, come in, do something the verse,

(52:36):
somebody else come in. He'll let somebody has somebody else
to do mimic or whatever I did, and then they
will just kind of blend whatever they would do. But
but this is what I'm trying to get it out
of Jam and Lewis, which they never answer, is when
they're creating songs together, who's creating that song that that
they eventually played? The artist like you never heard? Does? No? God,

(52:57):
I've never heard Jimmy Jams never heard. Oh my god,
you'reing it. I gotta find it. I'm gonna send you
a couple of jam Is singing. And when he sings
and sounds my god, it's like, you know, I'm typing
right now, okay to you. He's telling me what your
voice sounds like the demo? Come any voice? What's the

(53:20):
Jimmy jam a record that sounds like no no no
no no no no no no no no. So how
do you want me to do? What's you? Don't? Do you? Johnny?
Do you? I always started with Terry, Terry, right words, Jammy, Jerry,

(53:44):
I'll Terry, what do the lyrics and stuff? But jam
would sing the melodies for you, and I used to go, oh,
I want to keep these. I'm gonna keep these. Got him?
So I was mad and I kept saying, okay, so
so now y'all just playing bullshit games. Now this is

(54:04):
some political bulls Wow, So what did you say? Can
I get a better song? Or like you just felt
like that? No? I just said, okay, so you want
to play with me? I said, I'm a sing the
shut out of this song. I'm gonna show you all
about it. And that's why I went in there. I
was mad, and I sing mad as hell. I was like, okay, yeah,

(54:26):
you want to play with me? That was you mad?
That was me, man. I don't know if I kept thinking, man,
this is bullshit, that all these good songs, they're gonna
give me this one. Did anybody see the Drew Hill
unsung there's such a thing. Yeah, it's brand new Cisco
has the same story pretty much about sleeping somebody sleeping
in my bed. He did not want to sing that song,

(54:46):
and so the performance he gave was he was just mad.
He said like, I'm gonna sing the funk out of
this song. That's what I did. And then I was
I would naturally think that you want to sing every
song you get right, let me sleep through my mama,
now my my mind. I recorded that song and I

(55:07):
I didn't. It's not that I hated it. I wasn't
sure about that one. And I kept saying, I don't
know about this because because they were talking about we
recorded it and and um, Joel Buzzby was like, yeah,
I think this might be your your your next single,
This is probably gonna be your signature song. And I
was like really, And I kept saying, um, I mean

(55:29):
it's cold, but would you like would you I don't
know about that one? What was your single? What would
you thought? What do you think you should be? Um?
All of that album, I Feel so much better was
one of those songs that I was just like, my
favorite song right there Karen White's background fo yes Karen

(55:49):
singing that mad I'm done, I'm done. I was kind
of on that vibe where I needed And I remember
telling Terry we were still we just pretty much beenness
I did. My very last song I recorded was Lady
de Jord and I remember telling telling Terry. I said,

(56:10):
I looked at him and I said, do you think, um,
we got enough? And Terry looked at me and said,
we got way more than enough. Negro, goodbye, get out
of here, You're gone. You're trying to pull more songs
than them. I just didn't. I was so feeling like
do I have enough? Is this album gonna be enough
of what people was expect? Okay, so wait, let me

(56:32):
let me ask you, because again you are a Maverick singer.
So let me ask you. Do you respect the art
of simplicity? Absolutely? But can you can you embrace the
song that won't allow you to do your default gymnastics? Absolutely? Absolutely?

(56:54):
In hindsight back then, could you see it back then? No? No.
Terry used to be like, you got them to prove,
we don't have nothing to prove. He was like, at
that point, there was a point where you're just going.
You would just go. Every time I go, I would
go all in. It was like I'm showing you something
because if you doubt me, I'm gonna show you. So
I always thought it was that you three seconds and

(57:16):
they stopped the tape and be like, no, just sing
the melodies the melody and then they go, okay, now
now do your Johnny, Now go Johnny. So so you
have an arrangement with them like Okay, I'll sing the
song here, but then okay, give me your Johnny and
let me tell you it's crazy because the first person

(57:37):
that told me and taught me, or at least at
that point, I still wasn't there. Uh and mature nothing
understand it. But Luther told me one day he said,
you know my favorite all time Johnny gil song. And
I said what he said, Luther was nice to you. Yeah,
I was wanting the only let me tell you what
that happened, like, Yo, it's nice loth this story. Ever,

(58:03):
people the whole crew used to be happy when I
would walk in or come to one of the shows
and they go, yo, Johnny's here, because man, he used
to go at it, just jon in on each other
like going none stop. And he used to be and
all you can hear near screaming. He used to call
me and would call and go listen. He said that

(58:24):
this is the song I'm getting ready to Lisa as
a single, and um, tell me what you think. So
you're playing and I go, I think that ship sucks,
and you can say, and I go, you should probably
gate it to me. So one year he beats me
out of the Grammy, Uh with here now and that

(58:45):
was going to So he used to have these movie
nights over his house where I mean we everybody Who's
who used to come. So every time I would go
over there, ye had this little case where he has
the Grammys, and I would go over there and I
started hitting the case. Go give me my granted, Give
me my granted and security. First story. The man, I'm

(59:11):
telling you, if you knew Luther, he misses calling. You're
talking about somebody, was funny as hell and was quick
on his feet. Yeah. Yo, he was freaking pure genius.
Did he take a joke? You know you gotta stay away.
We used to talk about his Jericho. He was like, yo,
you know he only got half of it, only took

(59:32):
up here right he goes, He goes, I got curly hair.
And I said no, no no, no, no, no, no, you
got a half curl hair. I said, just don't even
take up in here. So but I never had to
work with him like that, so it was always just

(59:53):
fun like when we would talk. He came when Yeah,
I got so plastered at my New Year's UH party.
I never made it past twelve o'clock. I was drinking,
drinking champaigne, me drinking wine, and Luther came. It was
we had this band, everybody's planning and he's hanging out
and that I passed out before twelve o'clock. Luke called
me on the next day and said, man, man, that

(01:00:14):
was a hell of a party. He said, you shout
a be in there. Excuse you, man, Wait a minute,
It just hit me. It just hit me right now.
One question that we never asked him, how do we
How did they ever orchestrate a Luther andres Yeah, Janet

(01:00:38):
Janne Jackson song idea, which I know was recording Minnesota,
so I knew you have to be around in proximity.
Were you nowhere around when this happened? Because Luther belvid
devote for the more money sounds right, right, for the
more money? Because I did my own, Yeah, you had
let's just run away head, Let's just run away. Yeah,

(01:01:01):
that's my ship all the time. That was a simple,
simplistic kind of a joint that we just had, George example,
that was yeah, but we got to talk about the
soundtrack run to You also got to talk about l RG.
I just LG. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was Yeah. I

(01:01:23):
did my own on that one. I remember. I'll never
forget that. Okay. So when you are all right, So
you and Luther never had a professional relationship, so you
could be cordial with each other. Yeah, we were. It
was always fun. But okay, give us an example of like, okay,
so when you're doing like Black Men United or something,

(01:01:44):
I mean, when it's time for Gladiator Sport, how do
you now seen someone night speaking of l s G. Okay,
so we were doing this is so weird to say,
the Roots and Chico de Barge we're doing a show
together at like h l A what's the outdoor Hollywood

(01:02:06):
Ball or something like that. This must have been pedi Angelo. No,
it was actually phrenology period. So right, but the thing
the thing was is that so Joe and Cheek are
doing uh no guarantees. I think that was there joined together.

(01:02:28):
And so by this point we had just got friendly
with uh Gerald, yeah, because he was part of he
was part of Break You Off, right, So you know
he's hanging with us backstage, and so he's he's backstage
and he's watching Chico and and and Joe like trying
to get the women all rousies up and all that

(01:02:49):
stuff and everything, and he's looking at me. He's like, man,
he said I should be good. And I was like, wait,
what do you mean? He's like, man, I should just
go out there and listen to get him literally, and
he was like, oh, I can't help myself, and he
ran out stage. And then like it was like the

(01:03:10):
flat in the balloon, she goes microphone and just started
and none of them muscles minded anymore, and literally they
aren't like it wasn't crazy. Should ever seen So with
that type of gladiators with singing is not now because
again it's like singers are a novelty today, but back then,

(01:03:33):
how how did you nuance it so that you wouldn't
hurt people's feelings? Then Gerald used to I swear to you.
Gerald would call me and go, hey, I'm getting ready
to do the show in Chicago. Blah blah blahs on there,
blah blah blah there blah blah blah. I'm gonna tear
the asses up where you at coming. I'm on my way.
So and we would actually we would double tea. That's

(01:03:58):
where God I would call him. Sometimes they're going, Yo,
I'm doing the show and Vegas. I got blah blah
blah on there, blah blah blah. That's going like that.
That's up. He goes, I'm coming, I'm on my way.
The double team all right, is there is there without
you know, because we're not got you journalism. Who would

(01:04:19):
you see who did you have a friendly rivalry with
at least like in terms of like that you wanted
to go at, but not not level for sport because
again I know that your level of singing is is
out of this world. But just or you know, like
you want to be honest, it would be really honest.

(01:04:41):
And it's not even like it was a ribery or
friendly rivalry because I just never particularly cared for for
Brian McKnight. Um. And so every time every time I
would get on the show or going to show with him,
your best believe you're gonna see Johnny tearing that house
inside out, and it was a always been personal why

(01:05:02):
I just never listen, you know, like I'm trying to
be politically correct on this show made artists feel safe. Yeah,
and he knows it. I mean, what happened with him,
It's just something happened in the past that was just
like what's her name? This guy always just kind of
made it like their name. He was cool and then
he's just one of those guys sometimes you guys like
I don't I can't deal with sometimes people one minute

(01:05:25):
they're cool with you. The next minute you see him,
they like, I'm from d C. And I'm just someone.
I'm consistent. The guy that you see today, you'll see
next week, next year in the falling. And so I
was like, yo, sometimes yeah, So I've seen him on well,
we don't talk, we see each other, We've been in
the same building. He can tell you what the smokes
feel like and smell like. But I'm just saying, but

(01:05:55):
my mynd and you know, that's the only thing that
I had. My issue was with him was just I
don't like people that are inconsistent. And when I've seen
him when he first started and his how much he
and he was influenced by me and all the other things.
And then you watched this guy over time and then
you see him and it was like, hey, what's happening

(01:06:16):
to act like you know? And then the next time
you see him he return and act like he You
go to yo, what's that man? And he's kind of
like the give me that, and it was like, hey, yo,
for real. So one night we're playing and he was opening, no,
he was the headlining for the new audition show. He
wanted to close. He wanted to close, and he was like,
he want to go for real? It was like so

(01:06:37):
I was like, okay. It was like we had an
issue where and I think it was in uh Westbury
and uh Mike and I think Ron they was in
the car in their car got was in trapping something.
So the show we needed to get started, and this
show was running really, really far behind. So we had
asked him if he would go on first and then

(01:06:57):
we were just closed, and he was like no. So
I was like, I'm going, Wow, how disrespectful is that?
I mean, you know it was he realized it was
a tough think about trying to follow up afternoon exactly.
So you imagine trying to follow us what that was
like when you could hear an echo by the time

(01:07:18):
we finished in the house. It was And I'm not
saying because it's a talented guy and I like his music.
I'm just saying, but he so when he said no,
I was the only one that was pissing. I'm from
d C. You know, I know how to be politically correct,
and then I also end up can turn into this
other guy with Southeast come out. So I got on

(01:07:40):
the mic because I told him, hey, listen, we're getting
ready to We can only give you out what we
can because we asked we wanted to make sure you
guys got your money worth, and we we asked Brian
to go on before you guys, before us, so that
we could make sure you guys will get the full show.
And he says no. I said, so, we only can
do what we can do. And I think we might
have did maybe fifteen minutes or at the most twenty

(01:08:02):
minutes at the most. So then I was, you know,
I mean, looking back at in the hindsight, maybe it
wasn't the right thing to do, but I just said,
ladies and gentlemen, get ready for Brian McKnight, get your
pillows in blankets and so um so. So Mike was like, yo, man,
He's like, yo, what's up, Like y'all you know man,
I was like, listen, man, how disrespectful. I mean, the

(01:08:25):
reality is that we want to give these people there,
you know, their money's worth. And I'm going this is
not like it's an every night thing. It was like,
you can go on and we'll close. This is not
like it's gonna make or break your career. So it
was just one of those things that I always felt like, Yo, man,
you really feel like you like that? Like that's not
that's you know, it's not that serious. We all artists,

(01:08:46):
and we all need to understand. Listen, there's a number
of people I'm not going on dying. I understand what
my catalog is. I know where I belong, and figure
out how you make the show elevate and make sure
people leave ultimately going the whole show was incredible, not
somebody brings them here and then I'm coming here knowing
my catalog does not fit there and have and bring

(01:09:06):
people down. It's like, figure out where you belong. It
ain't gonna make or break your career to figure out
how to be a part of a great show, make
people leave thinking and feeling like I got my money's worth.
So that's just my way of thinking. And then that's
the only thing that became an issue for me with him,
how I dropped my Yeah right, brother, Yeah, yeah, I

(01:09:32):
like that. I like that. So yeah, but no, really
we still don't to this day, we want we'll see
each other in the same room. We don't speak, we
don't see anything. We just man, we got it. We brothers.
Everybody can't be we could just be we're silent brothers.
So who I said a side, Well, besides Luther, like

(01:10:03):
what what artists like? Do you truly respect? And you
you bow down to? Like? Um, who are your favorite?
Of course Luther Accords, Teddy, um love, Jeffrey Osborne, Um,
Stevie my ultimate you know, that's that's my that's my

(01:10:25):
heart there. Uh and you you period they said do
you have the way? Um? Who can I say in
this in the nineties, I love what Neil does. I
like Neo, I like johem um okay Millennial yeah, Um,

(01:10:51):
I like Joe Okay, like Joe. Uh, where do you
where do you feel that soul music is is? Oh god,
I'm asking now, I'm asking questions that I hate. What
do you think about? Um? No? But it's how how

(01:11:14):
disheartening is it to you to see? Well, this is
like a two pronged question. One is just like, singing
is not what it was when you were coming up,
especially with now with technology and how it is, whereas
now you know, like well anybody it's still who's still alive? Now? Um? Yeah,

(01:11:42):
I'm just saying, like where you're you're where your auto
tune rapper is mostly singing. Now, well, you know, I
don't have a problem and but with that, but then
on top of that, uh, I guess right now, it

(01:12:02):
seems as though, like most when you think of soul singers, um,
it's people that don't look like you. And I'm in
one hand, I'm like, okay, well, yeah, I can see
that you've been influenced by this. Yes, then you grew
up listening to this artist, So you know, what are
you more just me that more black people aren't carrying

(01:12:27):
the baton, or or that maybe we just don't know
about them. I still think that they're singers out there.
There's a lot of singers that are still out there.
They're still singers that are making R and B music.
It's not the artist, it's the industry. It's the industry.
It's the you know, everybody you know music is so

(01:12:49):
it's just totally segregated. Now this, I mean, everything is
based on research. The kids and I stream like, it's
just that we have to look and understand that the
one thing about a hit record is when you say
a hit, it has something that's magical that resonates with people.

(01:13:11):
That's why it becomes unique. That's why it becomes special.
That's why it becomes a hit, because it can connect
with people. And I think the problem is that we're
allowing the industry has just gotten to a point where
everything is a category and it's so it doesn't even
allow even out the new generation, uh and these kids

(01:13:34):
to really really grow up and be educated to understand
what music really is or what's you know, what's a
great song? Because they're like, if you've never had so fool,
how you're gonna appreciate or everyone or even have a
desire for so food. And I believe that it's just
gotten to a point where it's not so much of
the artists that are still out there, they're just not

(01:13:55):
getting a shot. It's tough to take even though there's
something a lot that I'm making music, but they're not
able to not get an opportunity to be heard. And
that's only due to because of the way this industry
is now. Everything has been diluted. It's like if it's
got to be if this person is not on it,
this is the artist you belong over here, not because
of the song. It's just based on here in the

(01:14:16):
a c over here, because that's your name. That's where
you are. That's how old you are. And it's just
gotten so crazy that it's just hurt the industry and
it's still hurting us. And I don't think it's gonna
get any better until we can get or people begin
to understand and recognize and identify when you just got
great music, great songs, and you see that it's reacting.
People are are gravitating to allow everybody to be able

(01:14:38):
to have and enjoy it and stop trying to control
and trying to put everything in a category. Everything necessarily
belong in the category. If it's just great, it's great.
If it works and it feels good, it feels good.
And I just think that it's just gotten so bad
now that it's we're choking and the killing ourselves. But
at the same time, what does it feel like for

(01:14:59):
you to still be making new music and be embraced,
like still be played on the radio like that number one?
I'm so grateful. I am grateful, and I'm just doing
my part. When you listen to the songs that I
recorded on this new album, Game Changer two, UM, I'm
doing as a musician, stretching out being able to do

(01:15:20):
uh music that I enjoy doing. But I never compromise
who Johnny Gill is, and I understand that it's important
to do that, make sure you stay and be who
you are, and making sure that my audience can appreciate
what I'm doing here. But at the same time, I'm
also allowing myself for an artistic standpoint, to be able
to do and try the things that I enjoy the

(01:15:42):
music and I enjoy when you listen to me myself
with call Santana and Sheley e Um. I love that
type of music, and I was able to be able
to enjoy it and bring them on and collaborate with
them to do something that I've always wanted to do,
but I don't. When you hear me singing, you still
hear Johnny um uh. And I think that it's just

(01:16:03):
for me. I'm grateful that people I can see because
when I go to work there's sold out shows, which
tells you it's a blessing first and foremost that they
still want to hear from you. More importantly, and I
believe that there's just still a number of people that
really appreciate what we do and uh, and I believe

(01:16:25):
everything comes full circle. I think it's cycles we go
through the cycles. But I think at the end of
the day, I think that it's like everything else, real music,
true music, true artists, true musicians. Um, it goes to
a cycle. But you know, I don't think that you
can keep us down forever. It always comes back. I
have a question. Okay, so you and Riz did your

(01:16:48):
do it together on on the album? Yeah? Yeah, I'm sorry, Ralph,
uh it's I don't know it is he told me
you um is. Because the thing is, after the biopick

(01:17:14):
came out, I feel like this new edition biopic is
doing is doing better for you guys what the Temptations
couldn't do with their biopick and even the Jackson's couldn't
do with their biopick. And you know, I know that

(01:17:36):
there's politics in the group, and there's six of y'all,
and YadA YadA woo. We know the drama. But it's
like if there ever was a time when y'all have
millennials in the palm of your hand, Like it's now
to the point that you know, i'd see I mean

(01:17:57):
kids born like after two thousand and five, like that
young quoting the movie. Yeah, and so they're mostly invested
in you guys. And you have yet to really not
cashing but really just have to take that victory lap. Yeah,
but what does that look like? Because they y'all did

(01:18:17):
do stuff like the New Edition has yet to reunite
and tour behind that BT movie. But they did. I
thought you didn't know. I mean, we did one show
after that movie. That was the Steve Harvey thing. I
think we did after that was the internal issues that
goes on with this group, has been going on since
for thirty some years. We find our way back, we

(01:18:39):
go off, we have to get you, we come right back.
We're like a married couple. And what I kept telling
everybody is that you know what happens with a married
couple when they love each other and they keep breaking up,
coming back, breaking up. The problem is you have to
deal with the core issue here because as much as
you love each other, until you deal with the issue

(01:18:59):
and that straighten out, what you're doing is you know
you love each other, so you break away, come back,
and you still got the same problem. So you end
back up with the same outcome and something has to change.
And so even with Kobe, just recently, we all started
texting each other. I love you man, I love you.
I love you, man, this is crazy. We are all
six of you. Uh it was, I would love it,

(01:19:27):
and we were actually were. And what I said to everyone,
which I think that's important, is that, um, what we
learned was life just sent us all a message that
it don't discriminate, don't give a funk who you are.

(01:19:48):
And at some point this call could have been and
this could have been any one of us, So you
realize that at some point we need to take heed.
Then a few weeks ago, not even a few years ago,
bout a week ago, Ronnie's brother Rob who works with me,
on his way from Atlanta. I was playing the Baton

(01:20:10):
Rouge last weekend. He felt ill. They had to airlift
him actually to a hospital in Atlanta. Now, Robb is
Ronnie's brother who's the biggest New Edition fan, and he
sits even though he worked with me, he's always the
guy that's sitting there going, man, y'all brothers, and man,
y'all need to stop. Y'all need to come together, man.

(01:20:31):
And he's that guy. And I was like when I said,
when I got that call, and I was like, I
was like, okay, within him and we just got the warning.
And with Kobe, and then who know who knew a
week later that it was going to step inside of
our family and the one person that everybody loves Rob.

(01:20:54):
It affected everybody and it was like, okay, well, so
what are we doing here? Because this really does I
mean when you put it in perspective. So I was
I'm the oldest, so I've often said, and I told him,
I was like, you know, forget who's right and who's wrong.
We all just gotta do better. We gotta do better.
We all do. And I said, at some point that

(01:21:16):
means that we have to look at ourselves, be honest,
and begin to try to figure out what we need
to do if we never step foot on the stage
again in life. But how to get all these years
and the things that we've done uh together and the
memories that we created, the impact that we've had, if
we never stand on that stage again. There's no rhyme

(01:21:39):
or reason for us as family members, as brothers to
not have some level of a family of a relationship
as brothers as men. And so we've been you know,
we've talked, we've we've had those conversations, and that's just
where things are. And I think that you know time
time heals wounds, and I think that who knows what's

(01:22:01):
going to happen, what lines ahead, But I do know
that my main goal, and like I've told them and
I feel that it's important, is that we all better
take heed because you began to believe or you saw
what happened to Kobe, and then you see it got
even closer in our house, but our own family. So
we gotta take as take a step back here and
figure out what is it that the Good Lord is

(01:22:23):
trying to tell us. I suggest the Metallica some kind
of monster. I suggest group therapy. I'm now I'm gonna
say Lauren Xander on everyone, I'm sorry, Oh that's what
that is in your ca Yeah, Laurensander. She she is

(01:22:43):
the no she. Laurensander is the group whisper. She keeps
groups together. Let me tell you something. It's crazy. You
know what I said to them this evening, We need
a counselor. This is the first time that since has
ever been way. This is the first time that sentence
has ever been said amongst you. But people don't think

(01:23:06):
about that. People don't think about that the very first time. Seriously,
Like normally, I'm really giving it. I don't have to
pay for no more therapy after I give her this
this endorsement. Know what what she what Laurensander does. She's
like well known in the industry and and she fixes
groups basically like managers will hire her to keep uh

(01:23:32):
groups in tech. It'll be over small ships. You don't
have to be in your business. But that means that
both of y'all are see her. I don't mean to
be just no, no, no, I see I saw our
individual like she's she saw. She's everyone's person like well,
I don't want to people out right right. No, no, no,

(01:23:52):
she's not our group person. However, uh, our good friends,
those are very well. She works with them and the
live nation people like she'll come into companies and fix.
She fixed. She's the real fixtion like Dan. It's kind
of like the out she's the real fixate life person. Yes,

(01:24:12):
but funny, did you say that I highly recommend that?
No seriously, because you knew you knew if her when
are Saturday? No no, no, no no, just the fact of
what I suggested that I thought would be written. Then
you know that person. Everybody was open open. Yeah, I
need to see that. I want to see and you like,
I don't want to wait till y'all like seventy doing

(01:24:39):
when I'm singing and then I have to stop and
go hold on all that thought. Wait, I'm only wait.
Were you with us when we got were you with
us in Philly when we got that uh plaque and
Philly the what do you want then? You know when

(01:25:01):
I'm right, yes, yes, so you were there at night
when the Tramps also performed? All right, I'm just saying, no,
what happened during this The Tramps performed, you know because
they got honored as well, But it was like you

(01:25:22):
remember you remember the sketch on Living Color when they
were doing the old train like oh no, like same members,
like two in wheelchairs, three with the walkers, with the
tennis balls at the bottom, like remember it had like
a good leg. What it happened? Yeah? No, I'm just

(01:25:45):
no more power than the Tramps even though they eight,
they still going on. I'm just saying that there's this
is valuable real estate time for new addition to all
come back and and you know, I'll just say I
still have never seen the edition live, so I need
I still need you. I need you'll come back and

(01:26:06):
do at least one more tour. I'm luckys my sisters
want to see a heartbreak to her. I was not
allowed to go. I was not I was too I
was I was like ten. I don't even think I
was tender then, but like I was too young ago
so and then I've seen four shows, but I've not
seen Supergroup Status New Edition do it? So wow? Wow?

(01:26:27):
Well you know, I listen, you your board, your board,
your way for me, I think that, Uh, I mean,
I'll often say this, and I'll say it again. I
truly believe that what we've done over the thirty something
years plus, that we've had our differences and we always

(01:26:47):
seem to find our way back. It always seemed to
find his way and come back together. And I honestly
believe that, uh, this is going to be a different
at some point. It's I believe good has got his
hands and and uh, it's gonna come. I'm not supposed
to say this, because, um, when you do these meetings

(01:27:10):
at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, it's kind
of what make it happens. It's kind of like what
happens in this room with the thirty of us stays
in this room. But I think I can at least
say that. No, in the last in the last two years,
your names have been brought up as serious considerations. I'm

(01:27:31):
part of the board that besides the so that will
be the I see what you're doing here, you I
see what you're doing. No, dude, yea four years I
had to and you do it. You stand in front
of a jury and you give your closing arguments four
years in a row. Finally with Janet, now like I
need a new case. Yeah, but the new addition is

(01:27:52):
the new calls. Yeah, and we're still making records. We're
still doing because I've often said, whatever success that I have,
it still reflects on this group. I mean, I've you know,
had number one records Ralph, the records that we have
that's doing incredibly well. I don't care how you chopped up.
You can say it's Johnny is Ralph, but we're all
still a power of that tree. And so I still

(01:28:14):
reflects on new addition. You're you're the voices, like you're
the crucial part of the tree. Yeah, so we don't
intended you said crucial. Okay, but when But my last
question is, but when the last time you talked to
Stacy though she d in me. That's an interesting sentence.
Go ahead, tell me more. No not m No, she

(01:28:38):
wasn't creeping. She's a preacher. So she's still singing in
her own way. Yeah, she's still um And every once
in the blue moon she hit me. You know, um
she dared me on Twitter once like three years ago.
I hope she's still on Twitter. What I was talking

(01:28:59):
about my first concert? No, I know, I was at
He looked like he was holding something. I just thought
he had something else I'm saying. I've been deemed you
know a few times on Twitter. I've been going somewhere

(01:29:21):
else doing all this comedy. John, what you're doing? I
got issues And think about most of my buddies, like
Eddie and and all my crew. It's like inner circle.
It's like you are a part of that circle. All
we do is sit around and stuff, and it's like

(01:29:42):
until Eddie goes yo, Yeah, looking around here, look at
this house. I built this one jokes just don't want
no part of me, do you? Speaking speaking of your buddies.
Your golfing buddy is Sam Jackson, right, Yes, that's my
road there, Oh Sam. He just he's recovering from back surgery.

(01:30:03):
So I haven't had a pigeon in a while. So
he's uh, me and him fight every morning. Oh my god,
we we just go at it. And I swear to you,
I haven't as much as I love golf, I just
have been hand just the desire to want to play

(01:30:24):
like I've been a mormally played since he's been off
and he's healing, but he's he's doing much better. He's
moving around walking. I'm just looking and watching and monitoring
everything to make sure he's doing what he needs to
do because I need something. That music, that that movie money,
because you know, because he got he's convince. Yeah, he's
the one who got me in this movie that we
we uh story. So yeah, yeah, he's playing um Clarence.

(01:30:53):
When is that was Sam's idea. I'm just like he
was like, man, I think you want to take a
look at this character. I was like, what, Yeah, yeah,
you've got some characters and you need to get it
come out. I don't know when they're gonna when it's
gonna be released. Wow, okay, I can't wait for that.
And Sam is playing George Clinton in the movie. Wow? Yeah?
Really yeah, we're on the course plan and he's singing

(01:31:15):
all the little songs. I'm like, damn, are you doing
Sam Jackson throwing off my game? Really? Yeah? I cannot
wait for this. Sam Jackson is playing George Clinton and
the Neil Brodgard story. That is crazy. I have to
say that out loud, just I. He's playing Clarence Burger
the Five Stairsteps. Yes, ask me, yeah, do you see

(01:31:38):
more acting in your future? I mean, it's not like
this was your first because I remember those Family Matters
episodes like that. Acting thing is fun, it's cool, but
that hurry up wait yeah, I understand that you have
no patience. Like I'm like, man, that's one of the
things I hate about working at Record Labels was a
hurry up and wait. Yet, hurry up and wait man.
It's like, man, like I remember sometimes, uh, we would

(01:32:01):
all hang out at the on the set and it's
three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning and he's getting
ready to do another scene. Everybody in the trailer like this.
We're like, yeah, he was like this really gonna try
to be funny what he gets paid for. But I'm like, man,
I don't feel bad. I don't feel sorry for you shoot,
because man, we do all get to reap the benefits

(01:32:25):
from your hard work. It's nice. I like that. It's
just you know, he's just a pure genius. I mean
like he's just you can do it in his sleep,
don't don't the Mike brought it back. It was like
sleep on him, all right? So Bill, do you have

(01:32:45):
all year? Um? All right? The thing before I always
want to wrap the show. Then it's always like ten
minutes when the show is over, and then we're like, damn,
I forgot to ask did you have a system about
l s G? Did you? I We didn't get a yeah.
I was gonna say of Eddie Eddie replacing was that

(01:33:09):
happened for Yeah, and we're still going to do that.
That's what Keith and I was just talking about. We're
going to just bring bring pop in and uh and
and and maybe a couple other people just as guess
with us on the LSG different. Now that's something that's
gonna happen. Absolutely. Was that the the second time you've
been about it into a supergroup or was that just
the one that you picked? Because I feel like I

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don't know, I look for the work. I'm John said,
I don't. I was about to say anybody else got anything.
I'm just trying to make it. That's my life right now.
I look back at my journey and I'm like, man,
what the heck I mean from a soul artist do

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that stuff with Stacy to new addition to l s G.
That I had his state with me, Bobby and Ralph,
It's like, you know, we just go. I just I
love just doing things and being put in the position
that uh that doesn't allow me to the pigeonhole me
and allow me to be able to just express myself
in just different areas. So I enjoy it. Do younger

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artists now called and ask you for advice? Like you
ever think like, okay, well maybe management or is management
like too much of a logistical, non creative nightmare for you? Yeah,
it's it's called babysitting, and I'm not a very good babysitter.
I go organizer. Well, yeah they do as a matter
of factorized you organized. Yeah, he's an organizing I'm yeah,

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y'all speaking secret talk, but that's okay. I think we
we figured out what you're saying. You're saying that sometimes
he organizes parties and other things, handling deal with so
many logistic man, why would go to guy with most
of my friends get everything. It's just I don't know,
I don't understand it well, which no answers, which answers

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my question. Yes, you do know how the baby said,
you're not problems, that's my m O. And then you
would think that I'm Dr Phil. I have no idea,
And I'm like, why does everybody listen to me because
you're a preacher sign Yeah, it's just it's never ending

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with everybody. And I mean it's just from the who's
who too, It's always something and it's like everybody, I'm
just going, why do they listen to me? You got
it right? But I love people and I always understand
I knew and I truly understand that when you're listening
to people, um, you have to learn how to listen
because there's there's that there's an art to that too

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as well. To learn how to listen and always understanding
that I don't ever use that if I was you,
because you're not me. Recognizing that there's always two sides
or three sides to every story. So when someone's talking,
you know you're gonna be dealing with them telling their
story and the going to be the victim when it's
all said and done. So you have to learn how
to read between the lines, deal with those things, ask

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those questions what I handed you have? They're not here
to defend themselves. Let me ask you what hand do
you think you had? And I go through it. It's
the whole process that you go through. The manager to me,
it's oh my god, let me tell you you have
no idea. I've lost a few relationships because they're like,
oh my god, can you just your phone. It's like, hey, listen,

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I'm just being obedient. I'm doing what I want me
to do. I mean, it is what it is. So
you have to at some point be patient. I'll call you. Yeah,
I listen, I deal with it all. There you go,
There you go. I do remember a question that Yes,
one of my greatest regrets about this show is that
we'll never get to have Roger Troutman on. You've worked

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with Roger? Yeah? Can you give us a Roger story?
Something about God? Let me tell you my very first
song I ever wrote and produced, played all the instruments
on a song called It's Your Body. So I had
a dummy bowlcord on there and I was like, Yo,
it would be cool, we can get rods on here.
So I called him. He was in Hawaiian. I asked
him if he would be on the song with me.

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So he told me to send him this song. And
before I sent it, I actually played it from the phone.
And so he's quiet and he goes, you wrote that.
I said yeah, He said you wrote that. I said, yeah,
you wrote that. I said yeah. He said, um, I'm

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gonna come and I'll be on it, to be on it,
and I was like, whoa. He comes to l A.
He brings this little uh his gear. He comes in
a black suit with gold trimming around the lapels, and
we're gonna where where He walks in, goes into the

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other studio and he sets up. He comes back in
since play the track, plays the track. Then he says,
I'm going into the auditorium. The auditorium was the room
the other room. He goes in, starts playing, and my
biggest regret to this day is not recording him each track.

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And when he was playing, he was like like there
was no adience and we were just sitting there like
this going as he was stat and I'm just sitting
there going and then and then came back out listen
to it. He goes, uh, pressed me right here in

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this spot. Going back into the auditorium, he looks as
that I'm said that was behind them in the studio.
So he tells this guy Joe after we finished, Uh,
he finishes up all the parts and sounded really good,
and he looked at Joe and Joe it's Caucasian. He

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looked at him, he said, your credit to your race.
What this man was freaking amazing. Man, he was just
that moment to watch him and he would be in

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near doing this for cording and actual performing. We were
just sitting there going yo, just performing like was in
there watching going wow as he was stacked, just doing
full Roger like he does on the stage. Yeah. I
was like, man, I was like Teth and all that stuff.
Mistake that just I wish we could have disrecorded that
they had that footage. Man. Yeah, unique guys. I wish

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he was on our show. J G. Man, I thank
you so much. Thanks for ha I hope that you
will because the thirtieth the anniversity of your record is
like what uh yeah coming up a mate, So yeah,
I hope that after thirty years time you'll love your catalog.
I'm like what Jam says in the meanwhile, get game

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changes to do? Yeah change. I'm telling you from the
beginning to the end, I didn't put no wasted joints
on that album. Yeah. Yeah, It's just a solid album.
And I hope that people enjoy, want to listen to
and want to hear good music because it's still there.
It's still there and it's beautiful. Yeah. And you are

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to me, I'll Quincy Jones, Man, whoa, I've said it.
I'm and I'm just saying, man, I this is just
how much respect and how much uh love we have
for you. Man, and they love when I get uncomfortable.
Thank you trying to get that he is that, but

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he loved black women too, I got. I got one
more thing. I want to say thank you for side
two of the album because my niece, when she was born,
she would not go to bed, but as soon as
we put on my mind, she would stop crying. She
was just lay in the bed and by time by
time I'll give him my all to you was over,

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she was knocked out. So thank you so much. You're
so r and b you saved us that we just
would not stop crying until you put on my mind. Yeah,
and well, you know, I'm really amissed up, man, because
I remember the only time that I ever played my music,
even for my own good was one night I was
at an award show and I had this girl I

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was dating, and I was thinking, I've got to get that.
I gotta figure this one out because so I left.
Before I left home, I had I put the champagne
on ice. I sat down and I said, when she
comes back here, I'm gonna sit down and we're gonna
sit at the piano. And we sat down at the piano.
This was after the show, went back and sit down
at the piano and started playing a matter of fact,

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it was right before my my mind came out and
I'm playing to the song. And we went from the
piano to the floor, from the floor to the bedroom.
And I said, how come on, do on do this
more often? Because ladies, and yeah, yeah, will see you

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