April 7, 2025 • 113 mins
SNL royalty and stand-up comedian Michael Che joins Team Supreme to discuss his anecdotes and accolades.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Of Course, Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This
classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey, this is Sugar Steve and this week's QLs Classics
guest is SML Royalty and stand up comedian Michael Cha
who joins Team Supreme to discuss his anecdotes and his accolades.
This was originally released on September twelfth, twenty eighteen.
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It's like em yeah, and that's Michael ch Yeah.
Speaker 8 (01:44):
It's about to get deep. Yeah, let's talk gentrification.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
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Speaker 4 (01:56):
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Speaker 9 (02:06):
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Speaker 4 (02:21):
See you got the hang of it.
Speaker 10 (02:22):
No, I liked it.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah yeah. The rhymed.
Speaker 10 (02:29):
An electric Lady studio.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
When when you're when you're.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
When you're a student of thirty Rock University, you have
to think, quick on your feet game like what yeah
you know, no slapsches at thirty Rock. Anyway, Ladies and gentlemen,
welcome to another edition of Course Love Supreme News, of
Course Love.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
We have teams Supreme. It's probably this is our blackest episode.
This is the blackest episode. Yeah yeah yeah, Steve. Well yeah,
but Steve call me Tyrone today. Steve. You know you
got the sugars. And actually I.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Got the strangest call this morning. My doctor called me
and said I was healthy. What yeah, I mean I
still have.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Remission. I still got sugars.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
But but I went the other day, took some blood
tests and she called and she had like this this
amazing voice of like she couldn't believe it. She was like,
I'm so happy to be calling you right now. I'm
I'm like, what's up. She's like, you're healthy, like with
a question and an exclamation point.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I was like, not shill of hands. But when he
said that, I was a little slightly disappointed.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I thought something else.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I feel like there's such an achievement that no, no,
if you I'm so committed to us that.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
He got blacked to.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
What you don't know is that Quest gave sugar Steve
the sugars.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Really, Steve's been my engineering for twenty years, and I
guess he had to. That was my bonus. That was
my bonus one year for Hank he.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Had after my diet, and so you know, the entire
summer of soul food literally gave him.
Speaker 10 (04:12):
And then you know, so, well, I'm happy that you
you're healthy.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, I mean relatively. You know you seem thrilled about it.
By the way, Well, it was one of those moments.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
I was actually sitting on the toilet and I got
and I got the call from my doctor. I was like, well,
this is it, you know, like this is where it
is where I'm going to get the news. Right, no,
and uh and and she gave me good news. I
was like, a great, keep keep keep them feet.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Do you have another man? Do you have another moniker? Now? Like, well,
are there any other black diseases I could get, Like.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
There's out actually sickle cell exclusive to really black people?
Speaker 8 (04:48):
You can.
Speaker 10 (04:50):
Yeah, hypertension, hyper very black.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, so you know, anyway does sound great?
Speaker 7 (04:56):
And rhythm?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Mm hmm, Well that's not a disease.
Speaker 10 (05:00):
Get shot by the police, possible police.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
We have all list institutional racism anyway, yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, it's not only the first African American host of
Are we still using that?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Or we're just black? I like black, I like black.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
All right, ladies, I guess it is not only the
first black host of EST and LS esn l's institution
we cannot date.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
But uh.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Also, actually you're double first because I believe that you're
the first black host of the twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Or the Emmys. No way, I don't think I'm the
first black hosted. He did the Oscars, right, yeah, he
did the Oscar Chris. I don't know.
Speaker 10 (05:52):
I'll be honest with you, I really don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I believe and I believe that you're the first black host.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
Oh man, George Lopez was probably the closest we got.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
He might have got closed Yeah he did, Yeah, he did,
close up, I got what. You know, it's kind of weird.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
In twenty eighteen, we're still celebrating first first black shout
out to.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
Beyonce and right, first black coach, first black did she's
the first black black woman to yes to headline Coachella.
Speaker 10 (06:17):
No kidding, yeah, no kidding, wow.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, but also the Vogue issue oh yeah, and her
getting uh uh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
Chust Love, you didn't turn your phone down?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Is my lawyer?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Your doctor called you this morning called, so probably not
a lawsuit, yeah, but basically, uh, Vogue just used uh,
their first the first African American photographer for the cover.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
And it's one hundred n they did. Yeah, and it's
one hundred and eight year history. I didn't even know
that Vogue was around and yeah, yeah that long.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
That's why that Black issue.
Speaker 8 (06:56):
You know, there's an actual black issue of Vogue that
came out like five ten, five years I.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Think I remember, but that was the Italian exactly. Yo.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
It was funny because I thought that that's when I
was heavy on my eBay join so I ordered, like
Reek's wife to Reek's wife was like, yo, this is
the most historical thing. It's from the eBay Golden So
I purchased like twenty five issues of that of that thing,
and now I can't find.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Anyway. This is how we do the show. We don't
even introduce the guest until happen. Oh yeah, I'm with it, so.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Up, welcome to the show. Ig Story sneaker God, I
gotta say, I mean, like, I know Clark Kent and
New York knows that Clark Kent is the god of
(07:53):
sneaker collecting, like he got me my job at Nike
when I was working for Nike.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
That's how much of a sneaker god is.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
But I will say that I envy no one Ah
and their sneaker collection more than you.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Like you're a king stunt you.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Okay, but when you when you you know, and I'm
often at thirty rock watching you guys, like, do you
often like choose your sneakers Like yeo, I'm a stunt
on I'm a stunt on a hole tonight.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I know. I never well, only I'll break out certain
ones for certain people. I'm like, oh, this is gonna
be a fun one. I can't wait, but like I don't.
When I was a kid, it was never really the sneakers.
It was always like just fresh sneakers. It was always
about you, but they was fresh. They was like all right.
So like for me, it was always I had to
(08:46):
buy a lot because I had to keep them fresh.
So I to keep them clean. I would just buy
four or five pick Okay, that's what I was gonna ask.
Because your jawings always look fresh out the box. Yeah,
that was that was always the growing up like that
the thing. Your sneakers had to be freshn't I didn't care.
Socks and draws, yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Yeah, you describe you have one today, mister. Check what's
going on here on your feet?
Speaker 4 (09:12):
These are and these are actually beaters. These are these
are Concord elevens. But these is like I think the
twenty eleven ones and these is like I probably will
these like seven times. Nah, but these aren't even like
I got some in the box. That's like never never
had a factory. Yeah, yeah, factory. You can hear him
snap when you walk, you hit a little the crack
(09:33):
a little bit. J's don't hurt your feet, no, Jay's
there's no, Jay, I found like they're comfortable slippers.
Speaker 10 (09:41):
Them, they're the most comfortable sneakers.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I don't like is the like there's certain sneakers that
now that they have like the sock kind of those
hurt a little bit because it just feels like I'm
walking on the floor like the Jay's the soul is
so actually made for like I feel like I'm in shoes.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
The elevens are the ones that like the comfortable ones.
I like the comfortable. The threes are the most comfortable.
Fly with those because I could take them off and
put them back on like they mad. I hate both,
y'all right, man, Like I mean, is the only ones.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I have an illustrious Jordan collection, but I can't wear
them like absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
No, No, I just work for air.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But the thing one the thing is is like I
have to prepare me wearing rocking some Jordan's, which goes into.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Shaving my corns off, oh ship.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Feet, maybe sleeping upside down so the circulation goes down
to my foot anything like with the exception of I
told you about Tony Maiden the guitar roof. Yeah, like
he just to fit some cowboy boots from Japan. He
had his feet shaved, shaved with and length just so that.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
He could fit a pair of of Cowboy dues. Oh yeah, damn. Anyway, Michael,
it's beautiful. Yeah, it's sneaky. Games on point bro. I
always I always, love, always love fresh kicks.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
You're not wearing those under the desk though, Yeah you are,
no matter why you're wearing the desk. I was like,
when do we see your sneak unless it's like.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
At the end of the show. As I used to
put my foot on the desk at the end of
episodes and then people but I would put my foot
on the desk just like as a move to put
your foot on the desk, and people like, you're showing
off your sneakers. Like, no, I just always wear ill
sneakers so it looks like I'm showing them up. But
I was literally just putting my foot on desk. So
I stopped doing it because people thought I was showing
(11:40):
up sneaker. They're like, what're you gonna wear next week?
And I was like, that's not fun. And then I
look like like a billboard, you know what I mean? Yeah,
that's not Yeah.
Speaker 10 (11:52):
See, I'll be the last one too, Like you doing that?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
So are you? Are you a native New Yorker? Yeah,
I'm Lower East Side? You living there? Now? You were born? No,
I was born. My whole family is from the same project.
I'm like a legacy. Yeah, like we're from the project
my grandparents? Wait, which which which one Smith projects? Like
I'm sorry, I'm new to New York. You don't you
(12:17):
know right? Not giving your dress away? No, I don't
have projects? Okay, okay, like what address the projects? Well,
like what cross streets? This is a Catherine slip, like
between Catherine and Madison is the whole project? My whole
family is from like what they call the Dark Side.
So that's twenty one age.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Because I was saying when we shot what they do,
we had to go to the projects to shoot a
rooftop scene. And the first thing that I was thinking,
I was like, yo, this is like the Hugs and
Kisses project, Like yeah, it was old Grandmothers or whatever like,
but it was a late nineties so I was expecting,
Wait where was it.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Lower like Lower Manhattan?
Speaker 10 (13:03):
And I remember there was a lot of projects.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
There was concern from the label the hell there was
like man concern from the label and you know when
we got there, they were like prepas, like okay, guys,
make sure security, you know, because we thought we were
going to the projects to shoot the scene.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, when we got there, we were just like, wait
a minute, it's not project enough.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, yeah, there there's a project. We used to go
to the like specifically for Halloween, and it was just
all old people. You would go there and just yeah
and nobody like visited them sadly, so they was like
happier about Halloween, and we was when we was kids.
We would go over there and we'd rack up. It
was great. It was awesome. We're not from you're from
(13:46):
projects in Philly. The Philly do projects. It's like roadhouses
and yeah, roadhouses.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Treek makes fun because my father we were the only
house that never got broken into because my dad would
put like security ride iron gates around our entire crib,
so it looked like I lived in a prison. But yeah,
I mean we were the only house on the block
with like three thousand records and all this recording equipment
(14:15):
and drums and stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
So my dad's like, nope, you know that makes sense.
It was like Fort Knox, you know. So okay, So
being born in Manhattan, Like what led you to entertainment?
Speaker 10 (14:31):
Uh, that's crazy. I mean it wasn't entertainment to me.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
It was specifically stand up comedy like I would watch
Bring the Pain, I would watch Carlin's HBOS and Damon
Wayne's HBO special, Like those are specific specials that stood
out to me, like when I was a kid growing
up and wanting to just do that. I just love
the way you know what I mean? It was like
(14:57):
it was every class clowns, Like what thirteen? Okay, yeah,
I'm thirty five, so that that's like like mid nineties. Yeah,
so you the first das still standing that you first,
the first Demi Wings I remember was when he had
(15:17):
on the yellow shirt and the brown had I think
that was HBO One Night Stand.
Speaker 10 (15:21):
I think I think it was like a half hour.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That was a half hour. Thene family was like legendary
because for one, they was from Lower Manhattan. They was
from Chelsea Projects, I think, and then I remember like
Hollywood Shuffle and I'm Gonna Get Your Sucker and Robert
Towns and specials and all of that.
Speaker 10 (15:35):
So the Waynes was like already it was like Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
And then Damie Wayne's like right under. You know, Okay,
I gotta know, I'm the youngest by the way of seven,
so we was getting Yeah, I was getting all of
that stuff immediately, you know what I mean. I was
in the house. I was in the house full of teenagers,
so all that stuff. Yeah, Like I don't remember the
first time I heard hip hop. Like there stories of
(15:58):
me as a baby, sinking a lot of dotty and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Like, Okay, it's like that usually usually the baby of
the family of a large family, you know, it's probably
I was the business of being sucked it all right.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
No, I was asking, like, do a lot of those
specials age well, because I try not watch nothing ages well.
In twenty eighteen, like half the ship that we laughed
at in the nineties would get fucking I mean, Nigga's
writing petitions on Twitter and shit absolutely carling stuff from
the nineties ages very well.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
Yeah, it depends on the comedian, right, because like, Mom's
mainly I was listening to her as a kid, but
that was like what thirty forty years ago by the
time you.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Listen to those tapes.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Yeah, yeah, Mom's mainly. Yeah, Colin Wasca, this was kind
of more like commentary, Like it was more social commentary,
like yeah, Eddie Murray, like the first yeah raw is
like nigga, like first first ten minutes that I was
like thirty, right, I was something.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I was thirty something when I first watched Deliric, yeah, like,
because you know, I grew up in ain't no Eddie
Murphy in this house, so I didn't get to see
none of that stuff growing up.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
And then finally on a tour of bus, you know,
they showed Delirious and.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It was weird because I wanted, you know, Delirious is
in the mount rushmore than everyone's comedy.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
But it didn't hit me that way one because not
like a illmatic right, and you're like, how right? But
I get it.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
But the thing was, because that was my introduction to Delirious.
Was everyone else doing Delirious, so I knew.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And very funny.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I knew all that based on classroom kids doing it
and rappers sampling it and all that stuff. So but
when I finally watched it, it's funny you say that
because I know, you know the same way that who
was indifferent to Midnight Marauders? Uh like Loupe or whatever,
Like I'm probably that ways I respect delirious and know
(18:10):
where it stands historically.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Oh, I get it. I was like I was like
that for prior, Like I didn't really get a lot
of people are like that. I was like, like live
in the sensens trip. I was like, okay, but to me,
he was funniest in movies, so like, which way is
up is? My ship? Was funny Because critics pan off
his movie, I think with Richard Pryory was copied so much,
(18:32):
and Eddie Murphy is true too, They've been copied so
much that it's kind of hard to understand the context
of when he was doing it. He was the only
guy doing Yeah, how revolutionary was so it's kind of
hard to understand that if you're not there watching it.
Because I used to say the same thing. I was like,
I don't really understand why Richard Pryor it's so much better,
(18:53):
greater than everybody. Herald, that's so much greater. And then
I started kind of learning more about comedy and learn
more about who else was happening at the time. You're like, oh, okay,
next to those guys, he must have looked like a Martian,
you know what I mean, Like he was like the
idea of you know, him doing the wining on the
junkie and like street characters like you know, Dick Dick
(19:15):
Gregory really wasn't doing that in his comedy Noo was
more yeah exactly. So, Yeah, Red Fox was set up
punch a lot of a lot of like actual jokes,
you know, joke yeah, joke jokes. Richard Pryor. That was like,
I mean, this is he's in the Chitlin circuit in
early nineteen seventy black you know what I mean, clubs
(19:36):
talking about the first time he ever blew a dude,
and it's working, like you it'd be hard to do
that in a black man now, and he's got people laughing,
and it's like the kind of thing that he was
doing was insane when you think about the context.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You know that Cosby actually released two Blue Humor records
that people don't know about.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
What Yeah, there's one joint and came out on laugh
or some ship like one the one people who don't
oh Blue Humor is like dirty like Curson, like yeah,
fussing cussin. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
In seventy four, there was like a I mean, he
didn't get that deep into it, but the other one
in eighty eighty one he spoke at uh. It was
more like him speaking at some prison in Pennsylvania. And
it wasn't comedy per se. But they made the record
(20:36):
cover it looked like it was like Bill.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Cosby and hard always hard hitted boys. And I was like, oh,
let me get this record, and then there was just
like him him being real, like you know that sort
of thing like that whoop. I saw his last special
that never came out Netflix won or yeah, I think
it was Netflix. It was. I think it was called
(20:58):
Cosby seventy seven.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
When he's coming at us, like coming at us.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
No, it's actually he's actually not.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
It's well what I saw he did like two hours
of I guess what was going to be a ninety
minute special or whatever, and it was Robert Townsend was
directing it, and they did it at I was doing
shows in San Francisco, and it was like there was
an early tape and like a six o'clock tape, and
I watched it and went and did my show, and
it was it was like good. It was. It was
kind of loose, It wasn't you could tell like he
(21:25):
was still trying stuff for whatever.
Speaker 10 (21:26):
Oddly but it's like a month after that everything happened.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
He was talking a lot. It was weird because he
was talking a lot about like like growing up, like
his first experiences dating. Yeah, it was kind of it
was like blueish. It wasn't blue, but it was like
blue for Cosby. It was like it was like an
old man. I was like, you know what, I'm gonna
let it loose a little bit.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
But it was.
Speaker 10 (21:52):
It was good though. It was like kind of like excited,
you know, I was kind of excited to see.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
What I was. I was interested. I mean, you know,
obviously everything that happened to understood why, but I was
always curious to see that special when it came out,
because how many seventy seven year old comedians.
Speaker 10 (22:07):
Yeah you don't get that perspective.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
But yeah, yeah, no, yeah, it ain't the same. Well
you can still see him, uh he he's still just
kind of popping up. Also, I heard he was doing
course this jazz club in Philly a lot Cosby. Yeah, Yeah,
it's not I guess the people that own the old bar. Yeah,
(22:33):
it's they have one join that's kind of uh not
Balla Kinwood. But he's in the bird.
Speaker 10 (22:39):
They showed a video of him like recently, like at
that spot or whatever.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
After everything came down a couple of months ago.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah, it was just he was just out there and
he just yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 10 (22:51):
Was doing Hicky Bird.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I think crazy.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
That's the only safe cutty guy, it really is.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
So what were your first steps into taking your comedy series,
Like one too many trips at the principal's office or.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Like, no, none of that. I was I got it late.
I was like I always wanted to try it. I
always always wanted to try it. Was like they had
like comedy classes. The thing about stand up is if
you don't know any comedians, it might as well be
on the moon because you don't have no idea how
to do it. So I would just google like how
to do it and find like different open mics or whatever,
(23:32):
and it's just literally five dollars, half a pint of
E and J and you just go up there. Like
that was literally how it happened. I went to an
open mic right right down the block from the cellar
on McDougal Street, and I scouted it out one day
just to watch, and there was like one dude that
was really good, and everybody else was terrible, And I
(23:53):
was like, if they're terrible and still doing it, then
I could be that terrible, you know what I mean,
Like I could just be that bad and try it.
Took the pressure off. You don't have to be good
at it, you know, because every time somebody wants to
start coming always like I don't got no jokes though, Like, yeah,
nobody has jokes when you start.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
That's the whole point. There's no joke.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
You're gonna start with that you're gonna end with, you
know what I mean, it's all gonna you're gonna outgrow
all of that ship. So it doesn't really matter. Just
being on stage is what's important. So going there and
just doing it. I couldn't tell you what I said,
but just being on stage and seeing that perspective of
hearing your voice in the micro I never heard my
voice in a microphone before. Like even that was freaky.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
And you did it with no nerves.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Of course, you remember something that's just we call it,
he's got jerk, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. So you went there
without a formula, nothing. I went up there with like
four things that I thought were funny that that would
(24:54):
make my friends in the car crack up. That wouldn't
make anybody else it's outside that car crack up like
literally nothing. I just wanted to be any Like you
talk about material you outgrown. Do you remember, I think
like one of the first jokes I had, oh man,
I think maybe one of the first jokes I had,
I might have even said it that night was something
(25:15):
about how because it was I remember, was like October,
it was like the fall, and I was saying, how
like Jehovah's witnesses don't they don't celebrate Halloween even though
they should because that's the one.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
Time people open the door. But it was like like that,
you know, like kind of like a haha, you know,
like one of those.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
But that's all you need. Just as long as you're
comfortable on stage, everything comes, you know what I mean.
Like even now you might go on stage with nothing
and find something.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You know, So with that first laugh, was it like
uh a crack high like a yeah, like your first
real good laugh.
Speaker 10 (25:52):
The first real good laugh.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Well, you start out only doing open mics, and open
mics in the city is it's not regular people there,
it's all other people waiting to go on. So a
lot of the laughs are like, ah, you know, they're
right back in their book or whatever. Nobody's really there
to support people, you know. So the first actual show
(26:14):
I did was what they called a bringer show. That
means you bring five people and then you can perform.
So you had to pass out flyers in the corner. No,
you could just get anybody. You can get five friends,
you can get however you want. That's a barker show. Barker. Yeah, yeah,
that's a wait's barking, now it's barking. You watched you crashing?
(26:35):
I got, not that I got suckered, but I watched
crashing and then leaving uh, I forgot who did a
set at uh Carolines.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I was leaving Carolines and then I saw the guy
on the corner and I thought of crashing right, And
you know, I was like, all right, let me make
it rain, And I said, dude, and I brought five
hundred dollars worth of tickets.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Whoa right? Just you know, I just made his night right,
And he couldn't believe it. And then I was like
he and he tried to talk himself out of it,
like no, no, no, tickets, just give me, Like tickets
are only twenty dollars. That's all.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I said, dude, give me five hundred dollars worth of tickets.
And he couldn't understand it. And I was like, I
watched Crashing, and I understand that this is how that's.
Speaker 10 (27:21):
Actually a terrible, terrible thing you did.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
You know what, because now somebody's gonna be like, yeah,
we sold out, and nobody's gonna be a sh.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
That's an awful idea.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
No, So what what I was saying is how you
never had to go that route. No, I never. I
never did barking. I never did barking. I mean you
barked like your own show. Like if you like everybody
has kind of like a bar show or whatever, that's
kind of your penance of coming up in comedy, like
you do my show, do your show kind of thing,
So everybody kind of has like a bar show. And
then if your if your show's light, you might go
(27:56):
outside and be like, hey we got a comedy show.
Hey guys come back, coming back with guys, conversa on
the back or whatever. But it was never like four tickets.
It was always usually like a free show. It was
just like a thing like I just didn't want.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
To do you know so what you said you watched
Frashion too though, right, did you watch the show?
Speaker 10 (28:10):
I've seen somebody. I don't really. I watch Food Network
and Sports Center, Like that's literally.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
I know what it is.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
But I just.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I think that once now that you're part of the conversation,
I know what I know how it's made, and I'm
just like, I can't watch it the way like a
regular person can watch. This is why I cannot entertained.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
This is why I feel like I have imposter syndrome,
because I feel like people that are really making history
don't watch history.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
They just make it. Yeah, they make it. And meanwhile,
I'm like, episode twelve, let's keep that right exactly, well, like,
can you watch? Can you watch other late night shows? Dude?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I obsessively like to prepare for that job. Yes, I watch, really,
I watch in the mornings.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I watch. I watched Conan.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I watch everything to see what they're doing, what their
bumpers are like with their walk on the songs. So
if no other reason you know what not to do,
it's like yeah, and then like the guests are on
the show, like I'm watching their entire series to see
if I can get something on the character that I
want saying, like my crack high was who was on
Chappelle the asker gay dude, uh.
Speaker 10 (29:28):
Mario Mario Canton steam Pipe Valley.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
So I did a steam pipe and he almost stopped
the show in tears, like, how do you know about
like we picked this obscure song from.
Speaker 10 (29:46):
I would have picked that up easy.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
That's a good one. Steam Pipe Valley used to come
on every like what was like Saturday. It was like
they would play Looney Tunes. It was like this one
man sketch show and it was all for kids, and
they played Looney Tune in between them. So like, if
you wanted to watch Bugs Bunny, you watch steam Pipe Ali.
It's going on like Channel nine.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Yeah, it is Mario Canton.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Once that like and all this is the Jimmy sagrin
because it's basically like, hey, guys, just play the three
second song and let my guests.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
But then once like the root managed to distract the
guests like how did they know that? Oh my god,
and he wanted to talk about it ruined the interview
and then well no, no, no, I'm just saying At
that point, then I was like, oh ship. Then I'm
watching every show on time and now I have an
addiction like I have that is the ill That is
(30:39):
the illest thing I gotta say, like that, that is
like a really cool thing, like what are the roots
going to bring everybody out to? It's kind of a cool.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It's cool, but then it's like some people come on
the show like with their Matt like Cosby used to
do that, like I only got like a good my
own like jamming on the one reference because then Cosby
was like, like, Okay, well this is why I want
to walk out too, and I'm like, no.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Let me surprise you. Uh. Steve Martin also, but Steve
Martin's are funny.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Because oh he's requests. He makes special requests.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Steve loved the idea of what we did to Michelle Blackman,
Oh my god, right, what we did to her that.
Then he was like, then he.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Would orchestra, but then it like backfire for us because
then we would have to come in early to rehearse
his walk on. Like one time he introduced lady No,
I'm Steve Martin, and Steve Martin came out. He was
on the Letterman set like no, and then he was
on the view set no, and then he was on
Conean set like it was this whole elaborate four minute
(31:43):
walk on thing, and then Will Smith and you know,
so it's just like sometimes it.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Backfires, wait to go back to the source of his
rabbit hole.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Are you saying that you can't watch any entertainment or
is comedy even harder to watch?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
I'm saying comedy. Comedy is hard to watch, and like
comedy in particular, it is hard to watch. But I
don't really there's no like shows that I really I watched,
like Detroiters that like, is that good?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I love it because the ratings are like out of
this world and I want to commit, But again I
love It's that which list I think.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I think it's Jason getting from a beep. Sam Richardson
and Robins, yeah, well and Steve Tim Robinson was like
my officemate at SNL. Tim and Zach who are the
who are the co creators of the show, and so
(32:42):
like I remember them working on it. I wrote an
episode last season and and it's just like their humor
is just the crazy. We used to write the craziest,
craziesth it together on SNL that would never get on
and then we would just have so we would just
bug out all the time.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
So when don't we talk about matriculating from going on
stage with some I and J and just winging it
to becoming a writer, because that's I got.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
The craziest how I got on SNL story I think
that I've heard so far. Literally wait, we didn't even
get to the Daily Show that.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
I was a writer on SNL. Before I was at
the Daily Show.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Order, oh shit, all right, go ahead continue. I was
doing stand up maybe you know if he is in
and I saw Colin Joe's at the Ditton Factory Hannibal's
show in Brooklyn, and we both did a set or whatever,
and he was like, man, you know you're funny whatever,
and we were like we would see each other around,
but like he was he like got to like really
(33:36):
watch me.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
Next day he hit me up like, hey, you.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Want I shouldn't say this is going to like discourage
people from ever going through the process, but he messaged
me where he was head writer at the time at SNL,
and he was like, Yo, if you ever want to
you know, if you have like a packet or something,
I would love to submit your packet to SNL, Like
you know, if you write sketches. And I'd never written
sketch before, so I was like all right, yeah, sure,
(34:02):
I'll do it. And I was like, I ain't fucking writing.
I'm gonna have me write a packet for some shit
that's gonna be bad, you know what I mean. I
don't know how to do that. And he would periodically
hit me up, like every three or four weeks like yo,
you got to you got the package, Like, oh, I'm
still working on it, but yeah, I'm gonna send it
to you. And then it was like the week of
the show where he's like, we just want to come
in as a guest writer. And I was like, all right,
(34:27):
I came in as a guest writer. And it was
two week contract. Literally they throw you in the fire,
so like you get there Monday, so that's another production week.
There's no orientation. You just show up to the show
and you're like, all right, you work here, get to work.
You're responsible to sketches or whatever. And everybody's there was
(34:48):
This was like Fred and Bill and Jason was still there.
Seth was still head writer with with Colin, so it
was like intimidating as fuck. I think Andy and Christen
had just left like a few months.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
Before, and no limitations.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
They just right there. Yeah. They was like, so the
first thing you gotta do is you got to go
into Lawn's office and do the pitch meeting, which I'm
sure you know about. You literally the entire cast and
writing staff in Lawn's office with the host and Kevin
Harts in Lawn's office seventeen with the host. Oh my god,
it is Kevin is Kevin Hart porn and everything. Don't
(35:25):
touch the popcorn at that point. Don't touch the po
It's behind him. So in order to touch the popcorn,
you gotta walk to like up to his chair. And
that's a power move, right. He finally thumbs thumbs us
up once I brought him too big ass. Yeah, back.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
Office, right, Like, y'all know, y'all know, we don't know
what you're talking about. Right, I'm just saying, everybody who listening,
tell y'all.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Inside loves pop. If you walk in, you just you
hear all over the floor. So we're all in there
when everybody's giving sketch ideas. Everybody's telling me this is
like comedy pros, And I'm like, what the fuck am
I doing? So my I had to pitch a sketch
and I got a laugh from it, and I think
after that they was like, my sketch was I probably
(36:09):
told you, but uh it was Kevin Hart playing the
richest black man in New York, Dwayne Reid, and I
always tell that joke. But and everybody laughed and they
were like okay. Lauren was like okay. And then my
first they asked me to write that sketch. It bombed
terribly at the table, but I didn't know what I
was doing. So then the next week was justin Timberlake,
(36:31):
and then I got a sketch on and then it
was like fun and which one was.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
A sketch? You could never do that? That was close
She's Got a Dick, and it was She's Got a Dick.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
It was a romantic comedy trailer about this lady that
had everything, but she also had a dick who played woman.
It was it was justin in the scene. Okay, it
was justin in the scene. So when you say so,
when you say it skip bombed at the table, what
what's the I guess the chain of command? What's the process?
You pitch it in the meeting in law's office and
(37:06):
then what well, I didn't know this, but typically people
who when you do pitch, now I know this. When
you pitch, typically people don't say what they're going to write.
They're usually just saying like a one liner that's going
to make everybody lie. It's really a meeting to make
the host feel comfortable, you know, like you're not you're
not really pitching your ideas.
Speaker 10 (37:26):
Sometimes people do.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Like there's times where you can pitch something people are like, hey,
that's funny, actually can you do that? And then you
write it and then like that's happened to me a
couple of times, or you know, like I've recommended or
whatever the sketch that that was like super popular. Farewell
mister Bunting. You remember that one where like Pete stands
up and his head gets chopped off on the ceiling fan.
It's like that was a pitch. That was a pitch
(37:50):
that Colin I think mikey Day pitched it and Colin
was like, hey, you should like we could write that,
and they wrote it together and made it happen.
Speaker 10 (37:58):
But it was almost he was almost like it was
like a throwaway.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I was literally going to ask you, like the reason
why you see me there obsessively every week in the show,
isn't I mean, yes, I want to laugh and I
enjoy the experience. But my conversation with Higgins always the
next day is what was the pitch like?
Speaker 4 (38:16):
And then when you got I said, when I went
to him after that that bit, I said, did someone
just say, okay, we're going to do it? Not good
well hunting? What's the thing where I my soy? Yeah? Like,
did someone just.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Say okay, it's a dead post society sketch? But then
when Pete stands on the table, he's going to get beheaded?
Speaker 10 (38:36):
Like how do you literally pretty much that?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, But the thing is like a lot of the
physical comedy or the or the one bit where somebody
was a poster or something that involves physical comedy, It's like,
how do you articulate that that's going to be the
funny part if?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
And how does that work in the room that actually
gets you too. That's where the show gets tricky because
there's a lot of things that make a table full
of comedy writers laugh that doesn't make America laugh. And
there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make us laugh
that becomes a massive hit or whatever. So I think
that's that's kind of like when Lauren and Higgins and
and Ken word like, that's kind of when they're saying,
(39:21):
you know what, I think this will look good on tape,
even though it doesn't play hot at the table, I
think this will work. I think this will be really
good for the show. So there's a lot of I
remember that. Yeah, well, I think we all knew that
it would be funny. But it's when you're reading, because
it's everybody's reading their part, and then Lauren is reading
the stage direction. We're not really acting. Now he reads
(39:42):
every stage director.
Speaker 7 (39:43):
So can I ask a crazy question?
Speaker 8 (39:45):
You're throwing out names and I just googled one because
I had to figure out who Higgins was. Okay, it's
Steve Higgins. Okay, this is the guy who is actually
on the Tonight Show. But he also is like a writer.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Higgins is like he runs yeah, different fat and he's
just like that's his DJ gig, right, but you know
his roots gig is SNL Yes, yes, legendary writer for
the show. And now he's a producer and he works
pretty hands on on the show. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
See, well that's the thing because usually, like you know,
commercial breaks when like Lauren is just in the middle
of the floor, like in the camera.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Shot photo opp right, part of me is wondering, like, okay,
are you again? Are you Ronald McDonald? Are you a crop?
Like are you really making the decisions? So he actually
reads the Oh no, Lauren makes the like Lauren is
the guy. He's very he's extremely hands up. We all
go in his office and we talked things through and
(40:43):
he has the board and he gives He's very, very
very instrumental in get I never knew that. I just start.
Sometimes he comes up with the cold open sometimes like
we'll be you know, like we won't have a cold open.
We've been writing our cold opens much much later in
the week because of the news, because of the news
cycle has just been insane. We've been we've had to
like rewrite cold over and rewrite updates on Thursday and
(41:05):
Friday sometimes like just because of the news, Like the
country is completely different between Wednesday and Friday, like completely different.
So you know, he'll be like, I feel like maybe
we should do something like this or whatever, and then
he kind of like orders it up. A lot of times,
you know, oh good, Oh so what is the production schedule.
So so Monday we meet the host and it's kind
(41:26):
of a light day. You could start writing, but you
really don't have to. But it's really writers meeting and
then host meeting, and then Tuesday we come in for writing.
Then you just write all day Tuesday. Sometimes I get
in usually around three four pm, and then I'll maybe
leave at about seven eight am and then go home,
(41:50):
take a nap, take a shower, then go to table read,
which is usually around three pm.
Speaker 10 (41:54):
On Wednesday. We read up until about eight o'clock and.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Table readers, you guys, table read, we read about forty
anywhere between thirty five and forty of the sketches you
wrote on Tuesday that we all wrote on Tuesday, and
then we picked maybe eleven to produce. We rewrite it Thursday.
We do our pre tapes Friday and our blocking Friday,
and then Saturday run through dress rehearsal air. Do you
(42:23):
Between dress rehearsal and air, we usually cut two to
three sketches cut meaning meaning it together.
Speaker 10 (42:31):
Yeah, it's like a two hour show.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
We go in with about two hours and then we
leave what about ninety minutes for live, and sometimes we're
cutting shit on air.
Speaker 10 (42:42):
Sometimes we're rewriting shit on there.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
There's times where like the show is on and you're
in your dressing room and you think your day's open,
your sketch is next, and they're like, hey, they need
you in a control room and you're literally in the
script department cutting out sketches, cutting out lines of a sketch.
So if you ever like watching the show and at
the end you're like, well that ended weird because we
had to shave forty five seconds out of a three
minute sketch, which happens a lot. Yeah, and if if
(43:07):
well that's how I first met you. I learned the processes.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
If you're one of the bits that gets cut, if
you're newbie, you might take a little personal you might
take a little personal Pam pizza.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
So then you go up to seventeen and then you
get ship face drunk if you just been.
Speaker 8 (43:27):
Yep, Because does everybody every week at least get in
a get in a segment, like everybody.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Hannibal said, no, no, not Hannible, what's his name said?
He never got his? I think I think Hannibal got
like one or two. But yeah, some it's it's for
some writers you never see it's been a little bit. Well,
you got to think when they were writing, they had
like I mean it was like, yeah, they you had
(43:55):
like Kristen wigg and only people on the show that
that's like half the show right there. I didn't write anything.
Speaker 10 (44:01):
She was in real Estate gets a lot smaller, you know,
so like you.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Know, Larry David said he none of his bits ever
got on. Yeah, Larry David, Sarah Silverman, I've heard that
as well.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
And to work there for years.
Speaker 10 (44:15):
I think Sarah was only there for like a year
or two. I don't think she was there.
Speaker 7 (44:19):
Well, so is it an official?
Speaker 8 (44:21):
Is there really an official like s n L Frattorney, Like,
was there a moment when you felt like, yes, I'm
officially in this special collective and I can go talk
to Bill Murray at anytime?
Speaker 4 (44:29):
And No, it's really you never feel that because it's you.
You just get comfortable. It's like anything else. It's like
you really it just it ends up being like holy ship,
that's Bill Murray to Bill Murray's here. It becomes like
just that, Yeah, we see them all the time. And
(44:50):
I think that's kind of the crazy thing. Like we're
probably the only show where people are more nervous than
we are, yeah, to be on than we are to
have them on.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
Not even the nervous part, just a camaraderie of knowing that. Okay,
So if Chevvy chasees me on the street, he's going
to say something because we are in this fraternity, like.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Or maybe he won't. Maybe he won't.
Speaker 7 (45:12):
I should have went fast basketball.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
I don't know. Okay, when when someone you haven't worked
with from the show knows who you are, it's a
very strange experience, Like you're like, what I saw John
Love It's I've never seen him outside of the show
before this, and I saw him in l A one
time and he was like nice to me and I
was like, John Love It. It was like it blew
(45:42):
my mind becau. John Loves was like my favorite guy favorite.
He was, Oh my god, I love John Love this.
He was so funny.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
So okay, with the host that come on the show,
do you I feel like there's three types of posts.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
So if.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Say, someone that's eager and easy to work with, I
would assume that Hanks is that guy that's like really
about making the most of a moment hosting ESNL.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
He's a dream come true. Yes, I'm sure that timber
Lake is also that way, very eager to you know,
can do anything, do what I gotta do to make
sure this is a classic episode. If it's funny, He's
with it. But then.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
You know, you guys might get a wild card like
were you there during the Trump yeah, hosting, Yeah, of
which I'm sure that was a little crazy.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Well, it wasn't. To me. It wasn't that crazy because
I didn't expect him to win until like a year
after that. Like at that time, it still kind of
felt like it was still a little bit of a joke.
It wasn't as kind of like you know, it wasn't like.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Not even not even the process of like will he
be president? I'm just talking about like a good host
for the show, deliverying that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
A good host for me is a little bit different
like somebody like a comedian. When a stand up is hosting,
it's usually not fun for me, really, yes, because they
bringing their own team. Because not only they bringing their
own team, but stand ups and like comedians wroke, like
they know why they're funny, they're not. They trust themselves
way more than they trust the writings, you know, and
(47:38):
they know they got one shot at this and they
don't want a bomb, so they're like, I don't know.
They're on the fence about everything. They're not shut about
anything until they hear to laugh and they'll say, all right,
we can, we can do this. That was gonna I love.
Speaker 10 (47:50):
My favorite is like a like a Blake Shelton.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
That's just like, man, just you unexpected. I don't care.
Just just write it. I'll read it. If it works.
It works.
Speaker 10 (48:02):
That's a dream scenario.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
What was Chappelle like?
Speaker 10 (48:05):
What was his Chappelle was?
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Well?
Speaker 10 (48:07):
First of was Chappelle is not only is he a genius,
but he's a perfectionist.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
And also this week was like the craziest week because
Trump had won. So literally Tuesday you felt one way
and the country was completely different by Wednesday, Like I
never other than nine to eleven, I don't remember a
more drastic change and tone after a day. So to
(48:34):
write comp we mind, we write the show Tuesday, so
we have to write a sketch, you know what I mean.
You gotta imagine writing like the Poop Family sketch and
you're watching the country literally fall apart, and you're like,
all right, what does he say? Next, you know, it's
nothing that seems important at that time. So by Wednesday,
table read all those sketches in rough shape because everyone
(48:56):
was so distracted and nobody really had anything good. But
Neil Brennan helped a lot, and Chappelle of course got
his hands on stuff, and Brian Tucker did a lot
of work to bring everything up. We all you know,
pitched in to bring everything up h to get the
show ready by Saturday. But that was like a really
(49:16):
weird week. So it's hard for me to really say
what Dave was like because it was such a bizarre circumstances.
So the whole sometimes will help with sketches, of course.
I mean if they yeah, they know what they're doing,
they'll yeah. I mean they got to say it. We
do the show for them and they and they ultimately
get to pick. Like when we picked the sketches that
go on the show, it's the head writers and the
(49:37):
producers and uh Lauren and the host and we we
talk it through, like we talked through I feel like
you need something here or whatever. We just kind of
tell them the formula of the show and what we
think will make them look good. Cast coverage, all of
that stuff, and then we kind of decided from there,
and there's some stuff that they'll fight for and there's
some stuff that they're like, hey, I trust you.
Speaker 8 (49:56):
Has that ever been a comedian who's bought a ridiculous
amount of life writers with him?
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Uh? What's ridiculous? Number more than two is kind of
crazy based on what I've watched. All Right, all you
have to do is confirm yes or no. You don't
have to say anything.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Did Rock bring a lot of writers on his episode? Thing? Though,
because I can tell the difference between when a comedian
host brings his own people and then when a comedy
well not a comedian, but when someone knows to trust
the process. Now, I don't have any expectations for the
(50:43):
Larry David episode, but that to me was one of
the funniest shows ever. Yeah, And I was like, okay,
former uh, former SNL alumni, he knows that he knows
the situation writing on that I know. But but thus
that's why his episode turned out to be hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(51:06):
whereas you know, I mean, there's no secret, Like even
Rock and I talked about it, like his episode, the
one with Prince was probably the the not so well
executed episode.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
Well. I think that's also a big difference, is is that,
like Larry David really wanted to do it. I don't.
I think Chris was kind of Chris is all you
know how Chris, He's like, I don't know, like he's.
Speaker 10 (51:36):
Never like gung ho excited to do that.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like he's so just added
to Like Larry David was kind of like dude, he
was like laughing out loud at the table, like it
was a little bit of a different kind of energy
where it. Yeah, it was a little bit.
Speaker 8 (51:51):
Chris is a little bit more like Yeah, So that
takes me ask that sketch with Chris and Dave, how
many people does it take to write Christen days? Now?
Speaker 4 (52:01):
That sketch is almost and that sketch is a like
perfect example of the week. That sketch was completely different
Wednesday than it ended up being because because Hillary because yeah,
so like they had to completely retool that sketch. It
make different. I think the initial premise it was it
was a Tucker Tucker and Neil wrote it. I think
(52:24):
the initial premise, I don't even you have to me,
I don't even remember the initiate, but it was so
far from what it ended up being. That why I
actually liked that bit.
Speaker 7 (52:34):
I like and it was hell of black. But you
said wrote that.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
Neil Brennan and Brian Tucker they're very white but.
Speaker 7 (52:50):
They get pass some days.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
But that was like Tucker, Tucker and I write Black
Jeopardy together. So to give you an idea of how No,
I can his sense of he's from North Carolina. He's
got like what city is from? I don't know where
he's from. That as I'm saying that, I'm like, yeah, well, yeah,
I really don't.
Speaker 7 (53:08):
Know what city, given him the past and everything.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know what city, but definitely
North Carolina. Speaking of Speaking of which, I'm gonna gas
Chap like around because he's a huge UNC fan.
Speaker 7 (53:22):
That whites man from North Carolina that knows our people.
I must look into this.
Speaker 10 (53:27):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what
the end game is for him, but he seems nice now.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
Speaking speaking of which, speaking of which, it just hit
me right now that you, Michael, are probably the first,
uh black cast member of that show to really not
(53:59):
have to endure the Is he going to be the
next Eddie. Oh that's a really good point. No, yeah,
I'm never, yeah I was. I was never chasing a
ghost on that show. I think you're chasing a different
ghost though, because I update, Yeah.
Speaker 10 (54:20):
I had to Seth was my ghost, which was like terrible.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
You know what I mean, probably for you is like
surviving weekend update as opposed to will I make a
one hundred million dollar paramount movie deal once I get
off the show.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
When I first got to the show, I was like,
I was the only black writer on the show when
I my first my first year. But that's why I
don't like it's so weird when people say, oh, you're
a first black head writer, and I'm always like, it
wasn't like.
Speaker 10 (54:48):
It was a rule, you know, like Jackie Robins writer.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
Now, yeah, I like this year right because it was
big h.
Speaker 10 (54:59):
That's the crazy thing. I became head writer.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
I became a guest writer, and Kevin Hart was the host.
And when I became head writer, Kevin Hart was the host.
Forgive me, he's doing it and not Ken the host.
I gotta git a promotion for some reason. No, But
(55:22):
I mean like I was the first I was there.
I was the only writer there only black writer there, so.
Speaker 7 (55:30):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (55:31):
There was there was ton that after that. Then Leslie
was a writer, and then the Kendricks was a There
was a few, there was a few black women. Oh,
head writer, I don't know, but like, so what is
what is it to me to be the head god?
Am I about to open this ben doors box? All
(55:54):
I know from what I know from where I work, Yeah,
you know a lot being the head writer. Interviews always
act like they don't know, trying to keep I don't know.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
I'm just saying that from what I observed, being the
head writer is just I'm not dancing line it just
let me say it. It's it's a nightmare because basically
requires you to be the bad cop.
Speaker 10 (56:29):
Yeah, you gotta be the bad cop.
Speaker 4 (56:31):
But also well, head writer is not necessarily the bad cop.
That's I feel like producer Higgins and I feel like
the producers are more so the bad cop. Higgins is
a bad cop.
Speaker 10 (56:45):
I mean they're in the position to be back.
Speaker 4 (56:47):
I've never seen Higgins serious day in his life, and
I've known him from nine years, So I don't know
how to comedy serious. You gotta the comedy serious people.
Comedians are so sensitive, like so sens it's like because
when you're telling somebody this isn't funny or you're doing
it bad, you know, like you can't. It's hard to recover,
(57:09):
especially when you're in that room with all with Kate
McKinnon and all these mothers that are awesome and comedy
is so absolute. Either the shit funny or it ain't.
Is the news broken at the table, I don't know
about this or is it like later like no, no,
what after high school?
Speaker 10 (57:27):
After we read all of the sketch.
Speaker 4 (57:28):
Yes, it's pretty much like basketball the basketball team where
they write what made it on the on the door okay,
and then you all of the sketches are on in
then they circles the ones that's that's going because then
you have to go produce your sketch. Like literally, when
you find out your sketches picked on on Wednesday night,
you have to go to production and you go to
wardrobe department, you go to the hair department, you go
(57:50):
to the the set department, you go to props. You
go to everybody and tell them what you need for.
Speaker 8 (57:55):
Your sketch and they give you liked they give you
a budget like that's too expensive?
Speaker 7 (57:58):
You want an explosion, we can't do that.
Speaker 4 (57:59):
Like the videos for pre tape, they don't give you
a number, they don't give you a number budget, but
they will say, all right, that's a little we probably
can't do that because you know, we can't get a
real Lamborghini you know what I mean, whatever, But but
a lot of our stuff they can do. Like if
it's good though, that's when Lauren comes in. That's when
he's like, no, you know what, fuck that, we're doing it.
And then that's you know, he's always on the side
(58:20):
of the show, which is the makes it a lot
easier side question or you said, then Lauren has to
come in, so well damn. Now you're the parent.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
So okay, say I'm a writer there and I'm asking
you dad hypothetically Dad, no, no, no no, and you're like,
and you somehow diplomatically or whatever, tell me, I don't
think that's going to work.
Speaker 4 (58:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
Has there ever been a at dinner Lauren? I really
had this this idea that I think and then like
you gotta sneak at the Higgins and Lauren Lauren and
then like going over your head the way the system
is well nothing, See, I don't have an agenda, so nothing.
Speaker 10 (59:06):
You don't have to go over my head.
Speaker 4 (59:07):
If you perses of where a writer or a cast
member like kind of goo wright is back to good.
I feel like, what when like, we don't have an agenda?
So when a writer will come up to us or
whatever and tell us, like about a sketch they want
to do, or an idea that they have or whatever,
(59:28):
if we think it might be like a disaster, we'll
be like, well, I mean, we'll try to kind of
redirect the idea. But at the end of the day,
you got the computer, you write it, you put the
script out. If it plays at the table, everybody hears
it at the same time. If it plays it seems
like something that can be done, then that's your argument,
(59:49):
you know what I mean? Yo, it worked, it killed?
Why is this not going on? Then they might go
to lawn after that. But Lorn makes that decision. Is
it wise to we help him? But he makes that
decision ultimately of what we should be producing, what's what
shouldn't be produced? Is it wise to choose a partner?
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Like if you come in there on your own, like
I'm alone writer, Yeah, is it wise for me to say, Okay?
So Kate McKinnon is being used a lot more than
blah blah blah blah blah. So you know, hey, Kate,
I got an idea for you, or let's write a
thing together.
Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Yeah, it becomes that's the first move. That's the first move.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Usually I don't want to know who's the barbershop share
that no one wants to go to the guy.
Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
That doesn't cut number five. Yeah, but it's how Also
it becomes a chemistry thing. It also becomes like because
you got to think you're in a room with this person.
So if you can't get along with somebody, you think
they're weird, like you don't want to be in there
trying to But that's my question. All right now, I
(01:00:52):
hate to throw you under the bus.
Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
So yeah, John love he loves him.
Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
See right now, before you throw me under the there's
still times of Steve's kind of the resident oscular grouch
at at thirty on on the sixth floor. No, yeah,
he is, but like like a lovable grump. You know,
people know everyone loves Steve, but it's like a lovable grump.
(01:01:22):
But the thing is is that what if you have
the goods as a writer, but you might have aford
to have an he got it. Yeah, like person, this
(01:01:44):
guy is funny, right, but he loved him him you know, no, yeah,
I mean that happens too. I mean like that's it's
it is political, like like anything else would be. You know,
a lot of it just becomes you know, that's when
the producers kind of step in because they you know,
they kind of go around and they find out what
(01:02:04):
everybody's writing.
Speaker 10 (01:02:05):
Hey, what are you guys working on? What are you
working on?
Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Okay, oh that'll be good, or we need more table,
we need more of this whatever. So in those discussions
they realize, hey, this cast member is not being written
for as much or whatever, so maybe you know, and
then we'll kind of like, okay, well, well what could
be something that they can do? And then you make
sure that you have covered You kind of make sure
everybody has a shot at the table, everybody has something
at the table. Do you feel a that's something that
(01:02:28):
becomes a responsibility when you're as a head writer and
as a producer that maybe you didn't even think about
as a regular writer. So when you're a head writer,
what's the difference between your head writer you're kind of
you know, you're it's more decision making. Okay, it's more
(01:02:48):
it's more decision making.
Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Do you do you feel a well, I guess we
all feel pressure as black people, But do you feel
a pressure in.
Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
This sort of unspoken tug of war.
Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Battle to make where you work reflective of where America
is now as opposed to the comfort zone that SNL
was associated with. Like, I can assume my idea that
you're not an avid, obsessive SNL.
Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 7 (01:03:25):
A update because not for nothing I do, right, No,
I get it if I see me, I'm on, I'm
on it.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
But right, see, but I respect the institution of comedy,
so I'd watch it regardless.
Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
But I will say that now that I think now
that they're aware that, okay, we have to be more inclusive.
Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
Of now that they were forced and pressure about a
few years ago with the higher of two black ladies.
Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Right, But I also feels like, you know, you have
to reflect what America true is, like there's no hiding
it anymore, right it used to be.
Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Well, it's so funny you say that, because I was
just talking to somebody at the show about this yesterday,
and I always feel like when people bring up diversity
they always bring up, just like different colors of people
that think the same, you know, And I kind of
like the idea. I kind of like the tension in
(01:04:25):
the show of people having different beliefs and people kind
of having different That's what makes it a variety show.
That's what makes it so, you know, I kind of
I like personally just kind of writing stuff that's a
little bit against what maybe people think a liberal comedy
show should be or whatever, because we're really not a
liberal show. We're a variety show. We're supposed to be
(01:04:47):
what America is, and America isn't one thing. America isn't
all on the left.
Speaker 7 (01:04:51):
And I'm cologized.
Speaker 8 (01:04:52):
I forgot that Michael now is the head writer, which
option been writing watching ever since they made that announcement,
because now I can because I know there's a voice
of higher up making this.
Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Oh yeah, I mean what I'm saying. The idea of
Black Jeopardy probably probably wouldn't have flown, but it was
so authentic and so good. I was like, it's honest
for me and some you know y'all like yeah, I
hear you laughing a mirror like that sort of yeah, yeah, yeah,
Like where I'm laughing louder than the people that slept
ten hours on the sidewalk to watch kill Swift perform.
(01:05:23):
Its like, is there ever a concern?
Speaker 10 (01:05:25):
You just said a very interesting thing. But what you
just said a very interesting thing.
Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Which makes our show so unique is that our show
we never know who our audience is gonna be. Our
show could be all hairl of Swift fans. Ow I
gotta do North Korea jokes for the people that came
to see the one direction it might not work the same,
you know what I mean. Or your sketch whatever, you
could have a political sketch for, you know, the Bruno
Mars from whoever and or vice versa. You know, you
(01:05:53):
could have kind of a uh, you know, I feel
like the musical act dictates dictates, uh, the musical as
what audience is going to be there typically because music
fans are a little bit different than actor fans, you know,
so the host, the host usually has a fan base
of you know, it's recognizable, but the music is the
(01:06:13):
motherfucker's just camping out, you know what I mean. So,
I mean, you know, it's just different. You never know
who there is. John Stewart does his show. They didn't
see John Stewart or Colbert Jimmy like they did see Jimmy.
You know. So it's it's a little bit different for
us because the Starter show is our cast and our host, and.
Speaker 7 (01:06:29):
When it comes it is like all the Black America
swoop down.
Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
There's certain there's certain black shows that we have that's like,
oh boy, my phone was about to be.
Speaker 10 (01:06:41):
Yeah, like Glover, it was like a ship.
Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Donald Glover, Drake of course, Kevin Hart,
of course, any chappelle forget about it. It was what
was a chappelle and tribe was Tiffany had I got
a lot of I got a lot of calls tif one.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Yeah, yeah, I was shocked. I got in a few
of those. It's my dream to actually be an intern there.
Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
So that.
Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Like for me, like Higgins is like, no, man, you
can't come to pitch meetings, but I just want to
see how pitch meetings are, just so I can figure
out how that machine runs.
Speaker 8 (01:07:24):
But you have a thirty rock show in you you
know that there's like a whole show in that building
that you could just host.
Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I you know, we talk about that all the time,
like what happens out of the show is actually that's
more funnier and interesting than you know, the shows that
are produced.
Speaker 8 (01:07:38):
There is it a pressure for a Lauren Michael's produced movie,
Like what's the process? Because it feels like Lauren only
really produces the movies that his people are in. But
is there pressure or is there like, Okay, I know
this is an added incentive that I might get him
behind it, so I need to write something.
Speaker 10 (01:07:54):
Is there a pressure to make one?
Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Yeah? Oh, I'm never really I'm never really into anything
like that. Like I'm always like, what if I have
a good idea, how do we execute the idea? I
think it comes from doing that's enough for so long.
It's just like if I have an idea, that's if
it's a sketch, I'm like, oh, this will probably be
better as a live sketule. This will probably better as
(01:08:16):
a pre table, This will probably be better as a
sitcom script, but this will probably be better as a movie.
Like that's whatever it is to execute it is how
how I go by I's to hear you talk. You're
so nonchalant about it that it's like, hey, you know that,
Whereas like when when when Pharaoh was there? There was
(01:08:36):
always like the hope of tomorrow, Like Okay, no, this
is gonna be my moment. No, no, you know that's
not how comedy works, man, you know. But the thing
is is that for you to just get in the
comedy less than eleven twelve years ago, Like how do
you have this sage?
Speaker 8 (01:08:56):
Like because I enjoy it, You're like in the moment.
Most people don't. They're not in the moment working for
the next one.
Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Look, I've met in a moment because I enjoyed the moment,
Like this is fun for me, you know what I mean.
So it's like this is you know, like this is
this right here is fun and producing something that's fun
and right being in the writing room is fun. So
I'm not in the rush to leave or do something
else if I'm having fun doing this, you know what
I mean. I feel like a lot of people are
always kind of trying to find that next thing. Once
(01:09:25):
they get it, it's not it's not fun, and they're like, well,
what's the others the next? I enjoy this part of it.
Speaker 8 (01:09:30):
So now that we know that you're not in a
rush to do things, which is why we haven't seen
you in too many projects. But However, I don't like
when we saw you in Top five, I was like, okay, so.
Speaker 10 (01:09:40):
This a whole scene, fucking cut. I'm going to I'm
going to direct this floor.
Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
I don't know. I'm still mad at Chris.
Speaker 7 (01:09:47):
But you did it, which is like that.
Speaker 9 (01:09:52):
I was.
Speaker 10 (01:09:53):
I had a whole thing.
Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
It was like me and Chris like one on one,
I'm telling him to go to the projects and then
and then but why in the movie, as like somebody
that like has to make those decisions. I'm like, oh yeah,
I guess that was a stupid transitional scene that you
did not need or whatever. But I was still mad
that I that I was cut.
Speaker 8 (01:10:12):
But what was that like in that scene with all
of those people at that one time, because you know
when he went back to the projects and it was
like you Sherry Shepherd.
Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Chris, Chris just the shit out of me, and that
during that what you call it, it was hilarious. He
goes we were because I remember in that that XM studio,
that scene it's me and him and Rosario and Rosario.
Speaker 10 (01:10:30):
I'm like starstruck.
Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
I was, you know, and I'm like holy ship and
she's like nice where You're like, oh my God, I
think I think she loves me anytime. Exactly. She's just
like a nice person that happens to beautiful like this,
she must love me. She was super nice and then
uh she was. She was like, where are you from?
Because she's from the Lower east Side too, so we
(01:10:53):
were talking about like the Lower east Side and she's like.
Speaker 10 (01:10:55):
Have I met you before? And I'm like, I don't.
I don't think so, And that's all Chris Hurt.
Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
You don't think so. You don't know if you met
Rosario Dawson, I don't know. And everybody's just dying like
have you met Beyonce? You remember that nigg.
Speaker 10 (01:11:18):
Like and I'm like on set like an action.
Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
Like I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 10 (01:11:21):
Just give me out of here, just give me my
Uber pull back.
Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
So wait, what was your reaction when they told you
we want you to try a weaken up dates? My
reaction was no? Initially you said no initially? I mean
it was like, it's the same reaction I hosting Emmy.
I'm like, I don't know that, but could you collectively
feel all of Black America watching you to make sure
(01:11:48):
that you know?
Speaker 10 (01:11:49):
I never really, I never thought it'd be that I
never thought.
Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
I always thought, if you if you let me talk,
if you let me say what I want to say,
somebody's gonna notice what I'm saying because I just like
to say shit like that. You know. That's like since kindergarten.
But on Weekend Update, the format was so rigid that
it took me like maybe two seasons to even feel
(01:12:16):
like I could say what I wanted to say, just
because it was it was already. It's such a set
formula that we were doing. I always feel like there's
like anybody on TV has like there's like a stepdad
period for a lot of people that's replacing somebody. So
a lot of times the audience is going to reject
you anyway like a step dad, just because you're not
(01:12:36):
just because you're not that, you know what I mean.
Like if I think I saw like Trevor go through it,
and you see I saw, you know, yes, Stephen, Stephen
Colbert certainly with you know, just it's just it's not
let him in. So I don't like it because it's
not let them and it's like, yeah, but that's Stephen Colbert,
but it's not let you know what I mean? Huh,
(01:12:56):
you get after a while right now YouTube my favorite comment,
I'm like, who's polaring? Well, I don't know. That's because
when you when you, when you start doing, when you
start doing you, when you start doing it, they realized, well, okay,
he's not good.
Speaker 10 (01:13:10):
That's not coming back, is not coming back, and I'm waking.
Speaker 8 (01:13:17):
Pretty use of that role change in like every decade.
I feel like, yeah, like Dennis millerded, but you have.
Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
To make it yours. There was a point, there was
like a turning point for me on the show where
I was like, if I didn't show up to work
and someone else did this job, no one would care
because there's nothing that I'm saying that only I can say.
And that was how I started writing, when I was like, well,
what can I say that nobody else can say? Do
(01:13:45):
you write? Or does someone else?
Speaker 7 (01:13:47):
Now?
Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
Just now I write? At first, I didn't write any
of it for like a season, I didn't write any
of them and then and now and Lauren would be like,
you need to write it, and I was like, well
I don't.
Speaker 10 (01:14:00):
I don't think you realize what I write, you.
Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Know what I mean? I didn't know remember in Trading
Places when they brought Eddie Murray to the house and
he was in there was like, this is all your
stuff and he's still stealing you. Like, no, you don't understand,
you're you're stealing your stuff. Like that's how I felt
at the show. They were like, just take control of it.
And I'd be like, yeah, okay, whatever, Hey what should
I say next? They said, no, say what you want
(01:14:25):
to say. So after a while I was like, slide
in one and then I would be like, oh, I'm
not okay, I slide in two. And the next thing
I know, I was like, all right, this is what
we're going to do. How much research do you have
to do? Like do you now have to obsessively watch
MSNBC and Fox News? And I don't. Everybody is everybody
prizes himself that everybody that does my job or my
(01:14:46):
type of job prizes himself to being the smartest guy
in the room. I try to take the perspective of
the guy that does that's the smartest guy in the
room that doesn't know anything about what's going on. Like
I tried. My grandmother is my comedy influence. When it
comes to a weekend update, I'm like, if I told
my grandmother what happened. What would her reaction immediate? You
know what I mean? And that's how you get cheap cracker,
(01:15:07):
you know what I mean, That's how you get that though.
It's just like, what's the what do people who don't
watch the news all the time? I think when they
hear this ship, it's like the kind of lowest common
denominator of where's that connection? And that's kind of where
I write from. But you know that's my thing, and
Colin does the other thing and then it so jump
(01:15:29):
into the Emmys? How long does it well to August? Now?
And when when are they? We just had our first
We just had a meeting yesterday, not our first meeting,
but we had a meeting, a meeting yesterday. We're gonna
it's gonna be fun. I think we would be the
SNL team that you work with? Are you working with?
The is there an mmy team? We got we got
a few ringers, but we got a lot of us
(01:15:51):
and know people and we kind of got a good balance.
Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Does it require like are you you know, are you
entertaining uh you know, spirit fingers, musical opening or is
it just like all right?
Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
There might be something might be some elements of music.
We wanted to feel like Essenel is hosting the Yemmy's,
but while still keeping the integrity of the Yemmys, you know,
like we don't want to kind of spoof it or
lampoon it. But is it me?
Speaker 8 (01:16:23):
Me thinks Lauren also got a special relationship with the
Emmys because, like in retrospect you think about the Tina Amy,
like a lot of alums have kind of hosted that.
Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
As well well, the way they did Well Amy did
goldenlu They rotated through the networks the Emmys, so like this,
so when NBC has it, I think it's been Jimmy,
and it's been Jimmy is like four years ago, and
Seth's done it before.
Speaker 8 (01:16:48):
They have a favorite host so far, Like for awarding
any award show? Have you watched an award show once?
Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
He was like, Yo, I like Tina Aamy a lot.
I think they I think I love what they do together.
I think they're they're really good. And I think I
think there are two people that when they do what
they can do, what only they can do. You know
what I mean.
Speaker 10 (01:17:05):
I guess you can't just have two random people do
the same app.
Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
I was going to say since it's such a staple
where you know you have the Peacha delivery guy in
the audience thing, you should just take them to like
Roscoes or something.
Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
I would love I would love to put I got
we got a couple of tricks of us. I got
a couple of tricks of us leaves that we were
talking about that could be really fun. I'll tell you.
I can't spoil it. Don't spoil'll kill me.
Speaker 7 (01:17:29):
But you're gonna have you need some que cars because
you don't watch TV.
Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
So all those people in the audit we got que cars.
Then we got what you call it to problem. Yeah, hopefully,
Well we got to figure all that out though, because
you can't show the que cars on TV. So actually
by the time this air is this it will have
when it's the.
Speaker 7 (01:17:46):
Air date again for the Emmys, I think late September.
Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
Yeah, like I think time spoil it? No, no, no,
maybe all right, I don't know. I don't know Mario
one about that unlikely, so I didn't I didn't get it.
(01:18:12):
I was like, this ship is a hit, y'all really
like this song? Yeah, Mario.
Speaker 7 (01:18:18):
Favorite, I think about Mario Wrio.
Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Yeah, I didn't know, so any any plans for any
other stand up specials.
Speaker 10 (01:18:29):
Or yeah I'm working on the special now.
Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
But another one that I think is where I feel
like specials are just not really because so many people
have specials that it's almost like, yeah, it's special anymore money, Yeah,
they gave me a little it was it was okay,
they didn't they didn't monique me, they didn't me. They
did they took care of me a little bit. But uh,
(01:18:53):
it's it's not even so much. I don't know. I
just feel I always like to go against the ground.
Everybody's going one way, I kind of want to go
another way. I was thinking of something a little bit different.
Everybody seems to be trying to do stuff a little
bit more conceptual. Now that's, you know, just because they're
trying to stand out. But I don't know, it's just specials.
(01:19:13):
It's just weird, like when you have access to producing them,
when it's when it's not like four year. When I
was a kid, it was like four specials would come
out a year, Like you waited for Chris Rock Special
because that was one of three specials that.
Speaker 10 (01:19:27):
You were going to get to see Kat Williams or whatever.
Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
And that's kind of why they were so big, and
when the special came on repeat, it was that one,
so everybody kind of knew it.
Speaker 10 (01:19:36):
And I feel like, now there's ten a week have Netflix.
Speaker 7 (01:19:40):
It's like, who oh yeah, a millennial nasty comedian.
Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Yeah, it's it's a lot, and not just Netflix, it's
just it's everywhere. But the cool thing that I do
like about Netflix though not just because they paid me last,
but they people tend to watch multiple in a row,
so like like when Dave's special comes out, I get
a lot of hits about my special because I'm like, oh,
(01:20:06):
so you saw it?
Speaker 10 (01:20:07):
Was like if you like that guy, yeah, and then
they kind of throw you out.
Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
So it is cool because the people that are going
like looking for one guy will you know, discover a
lot more.
Speaker 10 (01:20:18):
So that is that is a benefit.
Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
But for me, I just think conceptually to make people
talk about it, it can't just be did you hear
his you see his special? It's gotta be did you
see this thing about that? You know? It's got to
be a little bit more interact with people on Yeah,
Oh that's fun. I don't get to do that a
lot anymore, but they don't let me. They don't yeah,
(01:20:43):
they don't really are you. I know, I gotta start.
I gotta start dragging my nuts.
Speaker 8 (01:20:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
I want to ask you alway want to ask you,
how did What was your reaction when the text from
old Girl hitting neck NI? I just wanted to dap
you up from Yo, you handled that ship? I was like,
word the fun up, Here's what happened here. So I
got hit up by page six on Facebook. Literally she
(01:21:11):
was like, hey, we got this, uh this lady that's
been saying that you did x y Z the hood
and you know you were really mean and rude and nasty,
and she We're gonna run the story.
Speaker 10 (01:21:22):
Do you have any comments?
Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
And she showed me the story she was gonna run,
and it was just basically close on it that I
was a piece of ships that I was like, did
this you know, just from texting?
Speaker 10 (01:21:32):
And I was like, none of that shit happened.
Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
Like I have every text and it's not even that
I saved text, it's just I never delete text. Yeah,
I just don't think too, you know. So I was like, Yo,
I found her number and I was like, this is
every interaction I've ever had with her and I'm not
even gonna tell you my side, I'll let you tell
me my side. And she was like, okay, can I
use these? And I was like, yeah, I'm thinking she
means use a quote. She's gonna the fucking screenshots that
(01:21:57):
I sent her, so it looked way it looked like
I was trying to I was like, no, I was
really just showing her, thinking that she was going to
quote one line or two or whatever and say well
this is bullshit or even or take it to an
editor and like hey, we can't run this story. And
then they ran it, and then it kind of I
almost wish I didn't say anything about it, because then
maybe it just would have went away.
Speaker 10 (01:22:16):
But I also think if that ship would have.
Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
Ruined me, like in the climbing of me Too and
the climbing of you know, the harassment, I would have
never been able to defend myself. If I didn't have
those no, no, no, I would have been fried. I
appreciate you for clapping back. I was like, where the
funk up?
Speaker 10 (01:22:36):
No, that was my I learned my lesson. Yeah, that's
what I mean. When's this come out?
Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
A wait? That was a rail celebrity, uh tender status.
Speaker 7 (01:23:04):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
It's the same ship.
Speaker 7 (01:23:09):
No, you have to be.
Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
Accepted, you know, like how you go to the hallal
cart and one's got a long line and one doesn't.
It's the same fucking meat. It's the same ship. It's
just one got a line, one don't. From the results, yeah,
I mean really, I mean look, it's the same I
didn't know that was a ray of fel.
Speaker 10 (01:23:30):
The only thing I liked about Ray though, is that
you can't scream shot on.
Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
The well yeah they warned you. Yeah, like I did.
It's like, oh damn, you can't. You can't scream? So
what so what is the rail? And I'm not kidding.
So it's a it's a spot. It's a spot that like.
Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
You know, I might see Demu Levado's real joining. I
might see you know, like I see Peers like yeah,
singers seven Street.
Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
You know, it's basically a tender where you will see
more writers people to.
Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
Lose, right exactly, there you go, I got it. Yeah yeah,
like can't keep it in my account. Still ship. Damn.
So if you're looking for a sad immediately and then
what really hurt me too was you know Dan Soda
very funny comedian Dan Soda. He's he's a writer on
(01:24:31):
Billions to show Billions, and so I told them about
Ray like a while ago, and so he wrote it
in the show and he was like, Michael Chay's on
it on the show. So people that watch watch it's
like an episode where somebody says, Michael cha is on
Riyo and I was like you, So now people are like,
(01:24:54):
are you really on Rya? So now I'm like associated
with ride. They need to throw me some money. So
between that and that chick, I gave Ryan a lot
of business.
Speaker 10 (01:25:05):
I'm certain that is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Yeah, your your ig is some of the most dangerous
comedy they don't I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
I feel like you use it because you know it
would be going in twenty four.
Speaker 10 (01:25:19):
Hours, sometimes less I deleted, sometimes even quicker.
Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
It's just fun. So you leave your comments open for
them for people.
Speaker 10 (01:25:25):
To my messages.
Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
I live open and I like screen cap and I
answer it. I like it better than Twitter because on Twitter,
like they could take they can just at you and
then they get your whole followers to read all of that. Ship.
At this I get to select. I get to pick
what I want people to see. You I don't want people. Yeah,
motherfucker could like at you and then everybody that filed
(01:25:49):
that read your ship. They see that. That's why they
say the wow, crazy shit to you, so that they
could be attached to and then the motherfuckers they use
your own thing. I never thought that, Michael, I don't
like it. Yeah, speaking of dangerous comedy, where you at
SNL when Luis c K did the monologue the child,
how did that shit go? Like, how did that come about?
I mean at that point it was still Louis, you know,
(01:26:12):
it was still like everyone loved Louis, so he could
you know. Like that's the old thing about comedy for me,
is it's not so much what it is, it's who
can do it, you know, kind of like the Richard
Pryor thing, Like, it's not so much what he's saying,
it's that he's saying it in the in that you
know what I mean, in that format that you're like, damn,
(01:26:35):
that's bold, you know. So like for Louie to come
on National TV and say some shit like fucking kids
must be good, You're like, what you know what I mean?
Like on network and this is the first thing we're
seeing this this is supposed to make us watch the
rest of the show. It's just bold. It's just like
fun to watch just on that. You know, like you
that you're even willing to try that. But that's one
(01:26:56):
of the dope things about our show is that that's
where you can do that. That's always got like a
writer's room that came up with that stuff. No, that
was him, that was him, that was Louis. Stand ups
usually will work out their monologue the whole week, okay,
and do they have to run it by y'all before
or I see it? The first time we see it
(01:27:17):
is usually a dress rehearsal. They don't even do it
through run through. They'll do it at dresshearsal with a
live audience because telling jokes to nobody is like very
demoralizing because you have to hear the last you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
It's just like, Yeah, they do that a lot. At
thirty Rocks. Someone has to go through their routine to
an empty audience. Yeah, that's rough, that's right.
Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
I remember when I worked at The Daily Show, John
would go through run through and he would do all
of the jokes to just like us. Yeah, like maybe
twenty of us, maybe fifteen, fifteen, twenty of us, and
that's how he would guess, would then make decisions based
on We would all huddle up right after and he'd
be like, move this, do this, do this, do this,
(01:28:01):
and then we have one more meeting with a big
ass whiteboard. And that was the show. John was a
motherfucker Like I never seen anybody that kind of knew
the audience reaction before the audience knew it better than John.
Speaker 10 (01:28:15):
He was so good at that.
Speaker 7 (01:28:17):
You bounced back and forth because yeah, I went.
Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
To I went to the Daily Show. I didn't have
It was just pretty much I didn't have a summer.
As soon as that Snow wrapped, I went straight to
the Daily Show, And as soon as the Daily Show
and Snow came back, I went.
Speaker 7 (01:28:30):
Straight back to Was that John's last season or one
was John's last season?
Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
I was like maybe three four months before he left.
I didn't know he was leaving though, I had no
idea that's both John's right or no no, no, no
no no. When I remember, like one of my last weeks,
he was given Trevor the tour to come in as
like a correspondent. He was like a special court. He
(01:28:58):
was like kind of doing what Wilmore was going to
be doing. Ah, can you remember what Will Moore used
to do? Yeah, that's what he like. That was kind
of how it was presented, like, oh, yeah, well, you know,
Trevor's gonna you know, but he knew otherwise. I don't know.
I don't think he did. I don't think he I
don't think he did because I think for a while
they wasn't sure who's gonna be, and then they decided
(01:29:19):
before they decided trup. That's what I know. I never
really talked to Trevor about it.
Speaker 7 (01:29:24):
TV funny at everybody else's job.
Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Are you looking forward to uh, season forty or is
it forty two? Now this is forty this will be
forty four? Jesus christ is Obama?
Speaker 10 (01:29:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
Wow, you're right, dude, are you? Are you looking forward
to it? Or is it like I am Obama? Ye?
Speaker 7 (01:29:46):
Or Michael?
Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
I think that I think that this one's gonna be
a fun one, honestly, because I feel like everybody's kind
of hawking out. I think like Kate McKinnon's is a superstar,
Leslie's you know, star, and I think I think like
this is going to be like a fun season where
everybody kind of starts to I think, like, it's not
(01:30:08):
as Trump heavy anymore. How do you do that? I
don't think it will be ill, do you? Yeah? Do you?
Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
I mean not that if you expect impeachment action or whatever. Midterms.
I have faith that something will happen in the midterms.
You know, something will happen.
Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
Either more collusion or the House will I don't think
they got him. You don't think they got him yet.
Speaker 10 (01:30:38):
I don't think they got him.
Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
But it's almost weird because it's like you when you're
about like to U see two dudes about the fight,
and they say, like, the dude that's taking off the
most clothes don't want to fight. Yeah, I think that's
what my little I don't think they I don't think
they want I don't think they got it.
Speaker 10 (01:30:54):
Well, I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:30:55):
I don't know. It's kind of weird. I'm in the
minority with that. I'll say that, but I just think
they would have did it by that well. As a
black person, I gotta have faith in something. Man impossible.
How long? But how long isay? I'm not the biggest history,
but how long did Watergate take?
Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
How long was that not this long nine months because
basically Democrats have the house, Like if we just get
the house, this nightmare couldn't you know, But we don't
have the house we need.
Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
We need five.
Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
So but it's I'm just saying that either way, like
if if he continues, that's technically.
Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
Good for you per se if Trump continues, I mean,
because I feel this is like SNL what the cultural No,
we could say that no one.
Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
But the thing is is that you guys are more
you guys are more digestible. Like for me, we can
Update is actually a news program now because that scares me.
Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
I know, I know, I watched real News seriously, it's yeah,
it's no, No, nomics are more the way I present
it is in a way that's more digestible. I mean,
you don't.
Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Realize that every every diatribe that you do on weekend
up date winds up being a heavily passed around.
Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
Yeah, but I understand it on on that on that front,
but I'm saying there's stuff I feel like we could
do on week and Update that isn't necessarily Trump. That's
way more important. Like I watched like the real Estate
that Oliver has. I watched the real Estate that even
Trevor has, but I mean they do. He does this
show every day, so it's a little bit less fair
to say to compare it. But you know, like there's
(01:32:42):
there's a lot of important ship that we could be
talking about that this motherfucker right, and it's like, really,
I got to talk about his wife now, God, talk
about it.
Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
I don't think it's even Trump specific, but I feel
that the domino effect of like we definitely would not
have me too if it weren't for the Trump administration
that I feel. I don't feel there's a lot of things. Yes,
I agree with you, I.
Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
Don't think so. I mean, because it would have happened
during the Obama.
Speaker 8 (01:33:15):
Because remember what happened on inauguration Day, a women's march.
Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
Yeah, against everything, like whatever he stands for.
Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Then it's like we're gonna sort of seek it out
and everyone else other than him and make them pay for.
Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
What he represents. We can't get him out of the paint.
Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Yeah, So even if you don't have to talk about
him specifically, I mean, we're you're gonna talk about immigration,
which is a result of him.
Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
You're going to talk about me too.
Speaker 8 (01:33:40):
He's right, everything even the banks and getting the access
to our Facebook.
Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
That's his fault.
Speaker 7 (01:33:44):
I'm gonna blame him.
Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
Yeah, you're gonna have Zuckerberg jokes. And the way the
Way Update the Way Update is delegated. It's you know,
it's about four minutes and then a three minute future
and then you know what I mean, three minutes and
then maybe a three minute feature and you know, so
it's like the real estate that we have to be
(01:34:07):
able to talk about, and then it's between two people,
so you cut that. It's like it's almost like like income.
You gotta cut that in happening, you know what I mean.
So you get two minutes? Are you pretty much? I
pretty much get four minutes to talk about everything I
want to talk about in the week, and some of
it has to be trumped. So it's like, how do
you not talk? Like if didn't? Motherfucker is tweeting Saturday morning,
(01:34:30):
what's Saturday afternoon? Which happens. I can almost set my
clock to this. Motherfucker. He tweets Saturday at like eight
in the morning, between anywhere between seven and eleven in
the morning. I gotta look at it. We gotta relook
at all of the jokes that we have figure out,
all right, well, what development is this more important than this?
What do we have to so like we have all
(01:34:51):
our jokes on the table, we be we gotta lift ship,
all right, this is this is not even important anymore.
This feels weird to say this. By the time, you know,
at midnight, this is gonna be old news. So it's
just exhausting. But not even so much update specific. I
just mean show wise. I think that people have seen
(01:35:12):
the impression. People have seen us go through, they've seen
us color it. There's not so I feel like this
is gonna be a year where we maybe take it
to the next level of just creatively of different things
that's possible with our cast, and not let this motherfucker dominate.
Speaker 7 (01:35:28):
Maybe you take the lead and the news will follow.
Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
That's what I mean. You know, it's not just me.
Speaker 10 (01:35:33):
It's not up to me.
Speaker 8 (01:35:34):
It's also but I mean as a show, like because
the news is doing the same thing that you're saying
y'all trying to stay away from, like MSNBC, CNN, it's
all the same all the time.
Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
His name so yeah, and he knows and he's he's
playing it like an instrument. Man. He knows he knows
exactly when to say some crazy shit about Lebron, you
know exactly. Yeah, he knows when, he knows when to dominate.
Motherfucker knows how to control the news source. And everybody's
guilty because we all, I think it's interesting. We all
want the clout, you know, like we all want to
(01:36:03):
have the witty, perfect thing to say about what he's saying.
And it's just like, dude, you don't realize you're playing along.
You know, you're really just you don't get it.
Speaker 8 (01:36:14):
The Hollywood star fame people, they already took the lead.
They said, just take it away, so it won't be
no debate, no argument has gone good.
Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
Wait, so, speaking of distraction, in wrapping up this episode.
Speaker 10 (01:36:28):
This was fun as hell. By Yeah, this is thanks
for letting me come up here.
Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
You're welcome. I have to say, uh, dude, you have
to make more Willie. You don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Look, I have three YouTube mixes on my private YouTube page.
Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
One's all Michael, one's all Soul Trained. The other is Willie.
Who was Willy? Who Willy?
Speaker 7 (01:37:03):
Is this this?
Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
I'm probably no, No, it's it's funny ship.
Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
It's it's a character that Michael's written written for Keenan Thompson.
Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
Yeah, how he's the most optimistic. He's the most optimistic guy.
I know, he's my neighbor. He always sees the bright
side of everything. But he just has the worst life ever.
So it's really sad he's been involved with. It's really familiar,
like you know, he is the worst luck on the
worst luck on nerve and uh, he's always trying to
(01:37:39):
cheer me up and he just keeps using an example. Wait, Will,
he's based on a real person. No, Will, he's not
based on a real person. I think I had an
uncle Delmore who was sort of like that.
Speaker 10 (01:37:52):
And this is this is a week enough. He's an
updated character.
Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
The punchline is always like he'll say, hey, it's like
they always say, and he'll come up with an idiom,
but he doesn't realize. He doesn't realized that. You know.
It's like they always say, hey, Willy, what did I
tell you about coming in I'm your mama? That I
like the y'all did it was what the weekend up there?
(01:38:19):
The one it was only one that got cut that
was like way too rough? Will Willie where he goes? Uh,
It's like I told Martin Luther king you can smoke outside.
They like you can't do that. The line where where
(01:38:41):
is the line? I mean, why is that? And that
one oh Man, we for Willy Well, I don't know Willy.
We had him say some wow ship where they're afraid
of like kickback from black. I think Keenan was like,
I don't want to do that, but that's Willing. He
can smoke on the boundary about any that's That was
(01:39:03):
like the craziest one where we were like, I don't know.
We had him uh a graduation one where he was like,
it's like my class told me when I left the school,
you locked us in with the shooter wheel.
Speaker 10 (01:39:19):
It's just like, yeah, yeah, every time I do it,
y'all will do anymore?
Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
What up with that? Is that? The thing about what
with that is Jason he's not there anymore and Fred's
not there, so it's hard to do and Bill Bill Hayter,
who does does It's not so like they're all gone.
So I think the last time they did that was
that's Tucker Man, look at you, your ban Tooker fan.
(01:39:47):
You don't even know.
Speaker 8 (01:39:48):
I didn't even know he's black. He's a little black
and black I'm not to meet him like black girls.
Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
That's not the way. They stopped there, they stopped, they
stopped there. Look get your you're right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
We're supposed to blind date you and all that stuff
like I got now. Okay, well we'll see how it
works in five months, in time for Valentine's Day.
Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
How's your things going with your boot quest? Love? Still
my Yeah, I'm still bowed up.
Speaker 7 (01:40:23):
We're taking we're still winning.
Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
Second, I love your code talk, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
of course is very shocked that I'm dating a black woman.
Speaker 8 (01:40:35):
I've been dating pat her Head too, like like one
of the ones that pat her Head and get bread.
Speaker 4 (01:40:42):
Yes, we're going to Hawaii.
Speaker 7 (01:40:44):
Okaye, we said, what's up?
Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
Yes, I will tell Shep. You said, hello, oh ship Hawaii.
I've never been to Hawaiian You gotta go, you.
Speaker 7 (01:40:51):
Got to go.
Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
I've never been on a vacation.
Speaker 7 (01:40:54):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
I will introduce you to Sheep Gordon, who's the you know,
the vacation whisper.
Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
Okay, oh yeah, I would. I would love that you've
been on an Actually, you've never been on a vacation.
I've never been on a plane that wasn't like for
a work since you started doing this, since I started
doing it. I don't think the first vacation was what
for when that first meet Gordon four or five years ago. Yeah,
I think my first one was tried like twenty fourteen thirteen,
(01:41:22):
I'm on tap New York. My idea for a vacation
that was like to not have to do anything, like
I don't have to pack a bag or I don't
have to be anywhere. Oh you can, I can vacation
at my house if all y'all motherfucker's league like that.
That's exactly right. It's funny, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
You know the group Rockhampton, Yeah, sort of roots Generation
to See or whatever. They they only have one like
one record out, and already they're like taking a vacation
in Hawaii, like working on the new record.
Speaker 7 (01:42:03):
And I'm like, you were shaming the youre mirror as
the Elder Like no, I'm just.
Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
Like, wait, who does that? Like you? But that I
just heard them yesterday for the first time ever. It's
so crazy that you even said they was playing a
song on the bar and I thought it was I
thought it was a j rock song. One of the
guys kind of Ryan fans. Sounds like rock Christian rock.
(01:42:29):
It's weird because when I told them it's like seven niggames. Yeah,
it's like seven or eight of them. They're black and white.
It's like a Benettone ad of Jen.
Speaker 7 (01:42:41):
Reference.
Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
It's just we get it. Well, what's the new benine
ad Mountain Dew commercial? Okay, there no, But what's weird
is that.
Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
What's weird is that who put me onto Mecca from
Diggable Planets like her kids loved them.
Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
So I looked at them and then like we got
them on the show. But the thing was because of
a it's weird. His name is a mirror. Two, they
kind of had a me too moment.
Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Backstage at the show or before, not tonight's show, at
their show, okay, so they had to kick a member out.
And then when they came on our show, it you know,
I'm expecting these seven rambunctious like flying all over the place. Uh,
And they did the most emo depressed like they sat
(01:43:38):
on the floor like a bonfire like with crime millennial
tiers about like and you know, and that was the
jam they did. I used to know they didn't do
the jam. They decided that they pulled the They pulled
the and they called an audible and.
Speaker 4 (01:43:57):
Yeah, I was like, you can have to. You know,
Jimmy's looking at me like, is this a group Jimmy
hit you with? That's your man? Exactly? That your man?
Oh man? Really up brock camp? Was it cool?
Speaker 7 (01:44:12):
People do that?
Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
I want them, Yes, I I want them to come
back and do what I.
Speaker 10 (01:44:27):
Exactly.
Speaker 8 (01:44:28):
You said you more of a music person than you
are watching me. Of course you're watch I love music well,
because music I'm in, I'm in. I don't know how
it works. Well, comedy I know how it works, so
it's not that interesting.
Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
It's the same.
Speaker 10 (01:44:38):
But music, I'm like, I'm blown away.
Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
By that rocking lately listening, oh man, I don't like
new stuff.
Speaker 10 (01:44:45):
They don't have to be making music for me.
Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
Like what's your era? And that's like, are you like
Man Midnight, your Neptune Switsch beat era?
Speaker 10 (01:44:56):
That's my era technically, but I like the era right
before that. I like the ninety five ninety six.
Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
I like you're aumatic yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what
you know what a gang star is? Okay, you know
what a gang yo? This is? This is bizarre, you know,
Like I was literally that same bottle. I was listening
to Brockhand for the first time. They was playing Guru
jazmatads Wow, and I was like, jazzmatass. It was an
(01:45:24):
Irish bar called Deacon Brodie's and they was playing Guru jazmatas.
Wait where I was like in New York? In New
York and.
Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
Randomly, what's up of you guys going to random bars
because nobody cares about you and an Irish bar, no
one gives a fuck about who you are?
Speaker 4 (01:45:44):
Fine, I'm telling you, they don't bother you. It's anything
collegy or anything young and hip. You gotta wear a
fucking pub Oh they don't. They could care less. They're
playing music, they know who you are, and they're just like,
so what, and you're fine. I love it. That's the
one aspect of thirty rock folklore that I'm kind I'm
(01:46:05):
not mad I missed out on it because I don't
want a habit or anything, but I'm looking for.
Speaker 10 (01:46:12):
Like you do it every day. You can't develop a
habit because.
Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
Able to navigate like they're supposed to be, like Jim Belushi,
you know, messing around with Jane Curtin in the hallway
with heroin and you know.
Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
Like I'm looking for like the rock stars. Yeah, like
that era that she can't exist Normal everyone's at.
Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
Whole Foods and you know, yeah, everybody's giant salad Amazon.
Speaker 6 (01:46:41):
Steve is like Steve is throwing me under the bus
again just to end the episode in a way that
you're going to feel happy about yourself.
Speaker 10 (01:46:49):
Yeah, Steve, I am, I have a.
Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
Question for you. Okay, just circling back here to weekend update. Okay,
I mentioned Seth as your ghost. Who's your all time favorite? Normal? Norm?
I love Norm only because Norm knew it was funny,
even if the audience did. And I love that freedom
(01:47:13):
that Norm. And like he he would tell a joke
like straight down the back. He wouldn't budge and it
would get almost like worse than nothing. He was, but
he didn't care. Like at home watching it, it was hysterical.
That's another thing that we had to that you have
to learn at the show is you're playing the studio
and then you're playing the camera as well. It cuts through,
(01:47:37):
something could kill in the room and nobody at homes
laughing like it's a different it's a it's a weird
kind of dynamic that you have just learning doing norm
was kind of the master of it. He knew what
was funny, even if the audience. He wouldn't even do
a dress rehearsal something. He wouldn't do a run through jokes.
He wouldn't run through his jokes to let you know,
like what you he couldn't say. He would just do
it for the audience, kind of the way stand ups do.
(01:48:00):
That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
It's a small suggestion. One of the things about watching
the show in the studio is the volume is so low, yes.
Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
Because we're not we're miked for the camera, we're not
for the crowd, right, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
It's almost like you're like hearing your natural voice, but
from like one hundred and twenty feet away, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:48:25):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
Like some shows that I've seen in person, I'll be like,
I'm all right, and then I'll go home and watch
it the next night or yeah, DVR or whatever. I'm like, Yo,
that was hilarious, And I'm realizing that shows SNL is
definitely more hilarious on television than it is.
Speaker 8 (01:48:44):
Plus in the audience, you're sitting really far back, so
you can't see your face, your facial expressions and when
we can update.
Speaker 7 (01:48:50):
Sometimes I didn't know it only went once. I'm sorry,
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
They have TVs where you can kind of see a
little bit better butt, but it is. It's true though,
sometimes even if you have the monitor, sometimes you're just
trying to watch it happen live and you can't really
get there.
Speaker 7 (01:49:05):
If I watched the monitor sitting down.
Speaker 10 (01:49:08):
Yeah that's true. But yeah, good point the whole I.
Speaker 8 (01:49:11):
Feel the concert. Sometimes if you that far away, your
eye is always on a monitor.
Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
What am I doing here about stories? That's why don't
like going to football games. I go to the football
game and I'm the Dumbo tron. I'm like, I could
just be comfortable. I don't have to be next to
two races.
Speaker 10 (01:49:27):
I really done. I could do this at home now.
Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
The fun, or at least for you, like the fun
of SNL, is just the experience of like the first
the first episode, in the last episode is usually when
the Benders part happens, like it's dress versal. What a
thirty ten thirty, and then the show is eleven thirty
to one, and usually the sad rejects go up to
(01:49:52):
seventeen and get sloshed until about one thirty and then
the after after parties from one thirty t about three
thirty or four.
Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
That's another thing now that the Lonely Island is left,
like there's no one. They came and disrupted the after
party system.
Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
Whereas they started throwing their own after parties, and then
there was like the cool kids'll call it, that's the
rap group name they you know, like when you see
like SNL comedy video diox, Like.
Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
They really brought the viral video.
Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
Damn, near invented it because Sunday was the viral video,
so they invented the viral video.
Speaker 4 (01:50:38):
So but they would have their own cool.
Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
Kids parties versus the teamsters and the other people that
can't play their games.
Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
But then when they left, no one was feeling that void,
like you should be should it just be one party?
I feel like you and Pete, we need to throw
your own. Actually, your birthday party was lit. It was fun. Yeah,
but that was the last. That was the last party. Yeah, yeah,
we hung out, but I just don't I don't go.
I don't even go to the parties. You have responsibilities.
(01:51:10):
And it's not even so much that like you, it's
you're so exhausted after a show, like just mentally exhausted,
and then you're around all these mentally exhausted I don't
want to be around them, not even like at a
this but just.
Speaker 10 (01:51:24):
Like everybody just wants to talk about the show.
Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
It's like you've done this and you've been waiting for
so long for this ship to be over, and then
now somebody wants to talk to them about it, and
you're like, I want to go home and enjoy my Sunday.
I would say, so Sunday is that you're really your
only day to Sunday is your one day, and I
would you would lose your Sunday because Yo, when they
drink at the after after part, they drink to like
eight nine t morn. You might come home at one afternoon. Yeah,
(01:51:51):
it's literally all frigging So the Sunday you're just sleep
the entire day and then next thing, you know, your
Monday Monday. So you have time for I can well,
I mean everybody's got ten minutes. Wait, why would you wait?
Wait that was a great wait over fifteen minutes if
your mark literally the show on that note, Michael Jay,
(01:52:15):
I thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Wait the fact I was really proud of the fact
that this was going to be an effect free show,
that Michael was going.
Speaker 8 (01:52:26):
To be our I wanted to get to the bottom
of that, because you know, Michael j woe black man,
he's single, and you got to get to the.
Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
Bottom of excuse me, mi one, nothing I am and
so are you. You're into that, right, Michael.
Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
I thank you very much for coming to our show.
It's so much fun. Thank you, thank you, and good
good luck on your future endeavors.
Speaker 7 (01:52:51):
And can you say I love black women.
Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
I'm just love black women.
Speaker 7 (01:52:53):
There we go, black listen.
Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
I just wanted this is why you were talking to
anyway on be aut Sugar Steve Face. Hey Bill, I'm
very sorry the other Bill was up. All right, I'll
see you all in the next go around. M h
(01:53:24):
of course.
Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey, this is Sugar Steve and this week's QLs Classics
guest is SML Royalty and stand up comedian Michael Cha
who joins Team Supreme to discuss his anecdotes and his accolades.
This was originally released on September twelfth, twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 4 (01:08):
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Speaker 6 (01:24):
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Speaker 4 (01:31):
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Speaker 5 (01:38):
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Speaker 7 (01:40):
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Speaker 8 (01:44):
It's about to get deep. Yeah, let's talk gentrification.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
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Speaker 4 (01:56):
Guess, Michael, Yeah, and I'm the guest. Yeah, I don't
know how to do this. Yeah, help me all quest.
Speaker 9 (02:06):
Supremo Supremo Role, Supremo Supremo Role, Supremo Supremo Rome.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
See you got the hang of it.
Speaker 10 (02:22):
No, I liked it.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah yeah. The rhymed.
Speaker 10 (02:29):
An electric Lady studio.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
When when you're when you're.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
When you're a student of thirty Rock University, you have
to think, quick on your feet game like what yeah
you know, no slapsches at thirty Rock. Anyway, Ladies and gentlemen,
welcome to another edition of Course Love Supreme News, of
Course Love.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
We have teams Supreme. It's probably this is our blackest episode.
This is the blackest episode. Yeah yeah yeah, Steve. Well yeah,
but Steve call me Tyrone today. Steve. You know you
got the sugars. And actually I.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Got the strangest call this morning. My doctor called me
and said I was healthy. What yeah, I mean I
still have.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Remission. I still got sugars.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
But but I went the other day, took some blood
tests and she called and she had like this this
amazing voice of like she couldn't believe it. She was like,
I'm so happy to be calling you right now. I'm
I'm like, what's up. She's like, you're healthy, like with
a question and an exclamation point.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I was like, not shill of hands. But when he
said that, I was a little slightly disappointed.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I thought something else.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I feel like there's such an achievement that no, no,
if you I'm so committed to us that.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
He got blacked to.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
What you don't know is that Quest gave sugar Steve
the sugars.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Really, Steve's been my engineering for twenty years, and I
guess he had to. That was my bonus. That was
my bonus one year for Hank he.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Had after my diet, and so you know, the entire
summer of soul food literally gave him.
Speaker 10 (04:12):
And then you know, so, well, I'm happy that you
you're healthy.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, I mean relatively. You know you seem thrilled about it.
By the way, Well, it was one of those moments.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
I was actually sitting on the toilet and I got
and I got the call from my doctor. I was like, well,
this is it, you know, like this is where it
is where I'm going to get the news. Right, no,
and uh and and she gave me good news. I
was like, a great, keep keep keep them feet.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Do you have another man? Do you have another moniker? Now? Like, well,
are there any other black diseases I could get, Like.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
There's out actually sickle cell exclusive to really black people?
Speaker 8 (04:48):
You can.
Speaker 10 (04:50):
Yeah, hypertension, hyper very black.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, so you know, anyway does sound great?
Speaker 7 (04:56):
And rhythm?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Mm hmm, Well that's not a disease.
Speaker 10 (05:00):
Get shot by the police, possible police.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
We have all list institutional racism anyway, yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, it's not only the first African American host of
Are we still using that?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Or we're just black? I like black, I like black.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
All right, ladies, I guess it is not only the
first black host of EST and LS esn l's institution
we cannot date.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
But uh.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Also, actually you're double first because I believe that you're
the first black host of the twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Or the Emmys. No way, I don't think I'm the
first black hosted. He did the Oscars, right, yeah, he
did the Oscar Chris. I don't know.
Speaker 10 (05:52):
I'll be honest with you, I really don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I believe and I believe that you're the first black host.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
Oh man, George Lopez was probably the closest we got.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
He might have got closed Yeah he did, Yeah, he did,
close up, I got what. You know, it's kind of weird.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
In twenty eighteen, we're still celebrating first first black shout
out to.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
Beyonce and right, first black coach, first black did she's
the first black black woman to yes to headline Coachella.
Speaker 10 (06:17):
No kidding, yeah, no kidding, wow.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, but also the Vogue issue oh yeah, and her
getting uh uh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
Chust Love, you didn't turn your phone down?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Is my lawyer?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Your doctor called you this morning called, so probably not
a lawsuit, yeah, but basically, uh, Vogue just used uh,
their first the first African American photographer for the cover.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
And it's one hundred n they did. Yeah, and it's
one hundred and eight year history. I didn't even know
that Vogue was around and yeah, yeah that long.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
That's why that Black issue.
Speaker 8 (06:56):
You know, there's an actual black issue of Vogue that
came out like five ten, five years I.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Think I remember, but that was the Italian exactly. Yo.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
It was funny because I thought that that's when I
was heavy on my eBay join so I ordered, like
Reek's wife to Reek's wife was like, yo, this is
the most historical thing. It's from the eBay Golden So
I purchased like twenty five issues of that of that thing,
and now I can't find.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Anyway. This is how we do the show. We don't
even introduce the guest until happen. Oh yeah, I'm with it, so.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Up, welcome to the show. Ig Story sneaker God, I
gotta say, I mean, like, I know Clark Kent and
New York knows that Clark Kent is the god of
(07:53):
sneaker collecting, like he got me my job at Nike
when I was working for Nike.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
That's how much of a sneaker god is.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
But I will say that I envy no one Ah
and their sneaker collection more than you.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Like you're a king stunt you.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Okay, but when you when you you know, and I'm
often at thirty rock watching you guys, like, do you
often like choose your sneakers Like yeo, I'm a stunt
on I'm a stunt on a hole tonight.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I know. I never well, only I'll break out certain
ones for certain people. I'm like, oh, this is gonna
be a fun one. I can't wait, but like I don't.
When I was a kid, it was never really the sneakers.
It was always like just fresh sneakers. It was always
about you, but they was fresh. They was like all right.
So like for me, it was always I had to
(08:46):
buy a lot because I had to keep them fresh.
So I to keep them clean. I would just buy
four or five pick Okay, that's what I was gonna ask.
Because your jawings always look fresh out the box. Yeah,
that was that was always the growing up like that
the thing. Your sneakers had to be freshn't I didn't care.
Socks and draws, yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Yeah, you describe you have one today, mister. Check what's
going on here on your feet?
Speaker 4 (09:12):
These are and these are actually beaters. These are these
are Concord elevens. But these is like I think the
twenty eleven ones and these is like I probably will
these like seven times. Nah, but these aren't even like
I got some in the box. That's like never never
had a factory. Yeah, yeah, factory. You can hear him
snap when you walk, you hit a little the crack
(09:33):
a little bit. J's don't hurt your feet, no, Jay's
there's no, Jay, I found like they're comfortable slippers.
Speaker 10 (09:41):
Them, they're the most comfortable sneakers.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I don't like is the like there's certain sneakers that
now that they have like the sock kind of those
hurt a little bit because it just feels like I'm
walking on the floor like the Jay's the soul is
so actually made for like I feel like I'm in shoes.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
The elevens are the ones that like the comfortable ones.
I like the comfortable. The threes are the most comfortable.
Fly with those because I could take them off and
put them back on like they mad. I hate both,
y'all right, man, Like I mean, is the only ones.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I have an illustrious Jordan collection, but I can't wear
them like absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
No, No, I just work for air.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But the thing one the thing is is like I
have to prepare me wearing rocking some Jordan's, which goes into.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Shaving my corns off, oh ship.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Feet, maybe sleeping upside down so the circulation goes down
to my foot anything like with the exception of I
told you about Tony Maiden the guitar roof. Yeah, like
he just to fit some cowboy boots from Japan. He
had his feet shaved, shaved with and length just so that.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
He could fit a pair of of Cowboy dues. Oh yeah, damn. Anyway, Michael,
it's beautiful. Yeah, it's sneaky. Games on point bro. I
always I always, love, always love fresh kicks.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
You're not wearing those under the desk though, Yeah you are,
no matter why you're wearing the desk. I was like,
when do we see your sneak unless it's like.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
At the end of the show. As I used to
put my foot on the desk at the end of
episodes and then people but I would put my foot
on the desk just like as a move to put
your foot on the desk, and people like, you're showing
off your sneakers. Like, no, I just always wear ill
sneakers so it looks like I'm showing them up. But
I was literally just putting my foot on desk. So
I stopped doing it because people thought I was showing
(11:40):
up sneaker. They're like, what're you gonna wear next week?
And I was like, that's not fun. And then I
look like like a billboard, you know what I mean? Yeah,
that's not Yeah.
Speaker 10 (11:52):
See, I'll be the last one too, Like you doing that?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
So are you? Are you a native New Yorker? Yeah,
I'm Lower East Side? You living there? Now? You were born? No,
I was born. My whole family is from the same project.
I'm like a legacy. Yeah, like we're from the project
my grandparents? Wait, which which which one Smith projects? Like
I'm sorry, I'm new to New York. You don't you
(12:17):
know right? Not giving your dress away? No, I don't
have projects? Okay, okay, like what address the projects? Well,
like what cross streets? This is a Catherine slip, like
between Catherine and Madison is the whole project? My whole
family is from like what they call the Dark Side.
So that's twenty one age.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Because I was saying when we shot what they do,
we had to go to the projects to shoot a
rooftop scene. And the first thing that I was thinking,
I was like, yo, this is like the Hugs and
Kisses project, Like yeah, it was old Grandmothers or whatever like,
but it was a late nineties so I was expecting,
Wait where was it.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Lower like Lower Manhattan?
Speaker 10 (13:03):
And I remember there was a lot of projects.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
There was concern from the label the hell there was
like man concern from the label and you know when
we got there, they were like prepas, like okay, guys,
make sure security, you know, because we thought we were
going to the projects to shoot the scene.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, when we got there, we were just like, wait
a minute, it's not project enough.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, yeah, there there's a project. We used to go
to the like specifically for Halloween, and it was just
all old people. You would go there and just yeah
and nobody like visited them sadly, so they was like
happier about Halloween, and we was when we was kids.
We would go over there and we'd rack up. It
was great. It was awesome. We're not from you're from
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projects in Philly. The Philly do projects. It's like roadhouses
and yeah, roadhouses.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Treek makes fun because my father we were the only
house that never got broken into because my dad would
put like security ride iron gates around our entire crib,
so it looked like I lived in a prison. But yeah,
I mean we were the only house on the block
with like three thousand records and all this recording equipment
(14:15):
and drums and stuff.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
So my dad's like, nope, you know that makes sense.
It was like Fort Knox, you know. So okay, So
being born in Manhattan, Like what led you to entertainment?
Speaker 10 (14:31):
Uh, that's crazy. I mean it wasn't entertainment to me.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
It was specifically stand up comedy like I would watch
Bring the Pain, I would watch Carlin's HBOS and Damon
Wayne's HBO special, Like those are specific specials that stood
out to me, like when I was a kid growing
up and wanting to just do that. I just love
the way you know what I mean? It was like
(14:57):
it was every class clowns, Like what thirteen? Okay, yeah,
I'm thirty five, so that that's like like mid nineties. Yeah,
so you the first das still standing that you first,
the first Demi Wings I remember was when he had
(15:17):
on the yellow shirt and the brown had I think
that was HBO One Night Stand.
Speaker 10 (15:21):
I think I think it was like a half hour.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That was a half hour. Thene family was like legendary
because for one, they was from Lower Manhattan. They was
from Chelsea Projects, I think, and then I remember like
Hollywood Shuffle and I'm Gonna Get Your Sucker and Robert
Towns and specials and all of that.
Speaker 10 (15:35):
So the Waynes was like already it was like Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
And then Damie Wayne's like right under. You know, Okay,
I gotta know, I'm the youngest by the way of seven,
so we was getting Yeah, I was getting all of
that stuff immediately, you know what I mean. I was
in the house. I was in the house full of teenagers,
so all that stuff. Yeah, Like I don't remember the
first time I heard hip hop. Like there stories of
(15:58):
me as a baby, sinking a lot of dotty and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Like, Okay, it's like that usually usually the baby of
the family of a large family, you know, it's probably
I was the business of being sucked it all right.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
No, I was asking, like, do a lot of those
specials age well, because I try not watch nothing ages well.
In twenty eighteen, like half the ship that we laughed
at in the nineties would get fucking I mean, Nigga's
writing petitions on Twitter and shit absolutely carling stuff from
the nineties ages very well.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
Yeah, it depends on the comedian, right, because like, Mom's
mainly I was listening to her as a kid, but
that was like what thirty forty years ago by the
time you.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Listen to those tapes.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Yeah, yeah, Mom's mainly. Yeah, Colin Wasca, this was kind
of more like commentary, Like it was more social commentary,
like yeah, Eddie Murray, like the first yeah raw is
like nigga, like first first ten minutes that I was
like thirty, right, I was something.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I was thirty something when I first watched Deliric, yeah, like,
because you know, I grew up in ain't no Eddie
Murphy in this house, so I didn't get to see
none of that stuff growing up.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
And then finally on a tour of bus, you know,
they showed Delirious and.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It was weird because I wanted, you know, Delirious is
in the mount rushmore than everyone's comedy.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
But it didn't hit me that way one because not
like a illmatic right, and you're like, how right? But
I get it.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
But the thing was, because that was my introduction to Delirious.
Was everyone else doing Delirious, so I knew.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And very funny.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I knew all that based on classroom kids doing it
and rappers sampling it and all that stuff. So but
when I finally watched it, it's funny you say that
because I know, you know the same way that who
was indifferent to Midnight Marauders? Uh like Loupe or whatever,
Like I'm probably that ways I respect delirious and know
(18:10):
where it stands historically.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Oh, I get it. I was like I was like
that for prior, Like I didn't really get a lot
of people are like that. I was like, like live
in the sensens trip. I was like, okay, but to me,
he was funniest in movies, so like, which way is
up is? My ship? Was funny Because critics pan off
his movie, I think with Richard Pryory was copied so much,
(18:32):
and Eddie Murphy is true too, They've been copied so
much that it's kind of hard to understand the context
of when he was doing it. He was the only
guy doing Yeah, how revolutionary was so it's kind of
hard to understand that if you're not there watching it.
Because I used to say the same thing. I was like,
I don't really understand why Richard Pryor it's so much better,
(18:53):
greater than everybody. Herald, that's so much greater. And then
I started kind of learning more about comedy and learn
more about who else was happening at the time. You're like, oh, okay,
next to those guys, he must have looked like a Martian,
you know what I mean, Like he was like the
idea of you know, him doing the wining on the
junkie and like street characters like you know, Dick Dick
(19:15):
Gregory really wasn't doing that in his comedy Noo was
more yeah exactly. So, Yeah, Red Fox was set up
punch a lot of a lot of like actual jokes,
you know, joke yeah, joke jokes. Richard Pryor. That was like,
I mean, this is he's in the Chitlin circuit in
early nineteen seventy black you know what I mean, clubs
(19:36):
talking about the first time he ever blew a dude,
and it's working, like you it'd be hard to do
that in a black man now, and he's got people laughing,
and it's like the kind of thing that he was
doing was insane when you think about the context.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You know that Cosby actually released two Blue Humor records
that people don't know about.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
What Yeah, there's one joint and came out on laugh
or some ship like one the one people who don't
oh Blue Humor is like dirty like Curson, like yeah,
fussing cussin. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
In seventy four, there was like a I mean, he
didn't get that deep into it, but the other one
in eighty eighty one he spoke at uh. It was
more like him speaking at some prison in Pennsylvania. And
it wasn't comedy per se. But they made the record
(20:36):
cover it looked like it was like Bill.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Cosby and hard always hard hitted boys. And I was like, oh,
let me get this record, and then there was just
like him him being real, like you know that sort
of thing like that whoop. I saw his last special
that never came out Netflix won or yeah, I think
it was Netflix. It was. I think it was called
(20:58):
Cosby seventy seven.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
When he's coming at us, like coming at us.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
No, it's actually he's actually not.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
It's well what I saw he did like two hours
of I guess what was going to be a ninety
minute special or whatever, and it was Robert Townsend was
directing it, and they did it at I was doing
shows in San Francisco, and it was like there was
an early tape and like a six o'clock tape, and
I watched it and went and did my show, and
it was it was like good. It was. It was
kind of loose, It wasn't you could tell like he
(21:25):
was still trying stuff for whatever.
Speaker 10 (21:26):
Oddly but it's like a month after that everything happened.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
He was talking a lot. It was weird because he
was talking a lot about like like growing up, like
his first experiences dating. Yeah, it was kind of it
was like blueish. It wasn't blue, but it was like
blue for Cosby. It was like it was like an
old man. I was like, you know what, I'm gonna
let it loose a little bit.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
But it was.
Speaker 10 (21:52):
It was good though. It was like kind of like excited,
you know, I was kind of excited to see.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
What I was. I was interested. I mean, you know,
obviously everything that happened to understood why, but I was
always curious to see that special when it came out,
because how many seventy seven year old comedians.
Speaker 10 (22:07):
Yeah you don't get that perspective.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
But yeah, yeah, no, yeah, it ain't the same. Well
you can still see him, uh he he's still just
kind of popping up. Also, I heard he was doing
course this jazz club in Philly a lot Cosby. Yeah, Yeah,
it's not I guess the people that own the old bar. Yeah,
(22:33):
it's they have one join that's kind of uh not
Balla Kinwood. But he's in the bird.
Speaker 10 (22:39):
They showed a video of him like recently, like at
that spot or whatever.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
After everything came down a couple of months ago.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah, it was just he was just out there and
he just yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 10 (22:51):
Was doing Hicky Bird.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I think crazy.
Speaker 10 (22:57):
That's the only safe cutty guy, it really is.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
So what were your first steps into taking your comedy series,
Like one too many trips at the principal's office or.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Like, no, none of that. I was I got it late.
I was like I always wanted to try it. I
always always wanted to try it. Was like they had
like comedy classes. The thing about stand up is if
you don't know any comedians, it might as well be
on the moon because you don't have no idea how
to do it. So I would just google like how
to do it and find like different open mics or whatever,
(23:32):
and it's just literally five dollars, half a pint of
E and J and you just go up there. Like
that was literally how it happened. I went to an
open mic right right down the block from the cellar
on McDougal Street, and I scouted it out one day
just to watch, and there was like one dude that
was really good, and everybody else was terrible, And I
(23:53):
was like, if they're terrible and still doing it, then
I could be that terrible, you know what I mean,
Like I could just be that bad and try it.
Took the pressure off. You don't have to be good
at it, you know, because every time somebody wants to
start coming always like I don't got no jokes though, Like, yeah,
nobody has jokes when you start.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
That's the whole point. There's no joke.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
You're gonna start with that you're gonna end with, you
know what I mean, it's all gonna you're gonna outgrow
all of that ship. So it doesn't really matter. Just
being on stage is what's important. So going there and
just doing it. I couldn't tell you what I said,
but just being on stage and seeing that perspective of
hearing your voice in the micro I never heard my
voice in a microphone before. Like even that was freaky.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
And you did it with no nerves.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Of course, you remember something that's just we call it,
he's got jerk, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. So you went there
without a formula, nothing. I went up there with like
four things that I thought were funny that that would
(24:54):
make my friends in the car crack up. That wouldn't
make anybody else it's outside that car crack up like
literally nothing. I just wanted to be any Like you
talk about material you outgrown. Do you remember, I think
like one of the first jokes I had, oh man,
I think maybe one of the first jokes I had,
I might have even said it that night was something
(25:15):
about how because it was I remember, was like October,
it was like the fall, and I was saying, how
like Jehovah's witnesses don't they don't celebrate Halloween even though
they should because that's the one.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
Time people open the door. But it was like like that,
you know, like kind of like a haha, you know,
like one of those.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
But that's all you need. Just as long as you're
comfortable on stage, everything comes, you know what I mean.
Like even now you might go on stage with nothing
and find something.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You know, So with that first laugh, was it like
uh a crack high like a yeah, like your first
real good laugh.
Speaker 10 (25:52):
The first real good laugh.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Well, you start out only doing open mics, and open
mics in the city is it's not regular people there,
it's all other people waiting to go on. So a
lot of the laughs are like, ah, you know, they're
right back in their book or whatever. Nobody's really there
to support people, you know. So the first actual show
(26:14):
I did was what they called a bringer show. That
means you bring five people and then you can perform.
So you had to pass out flyers in the corner. No,
you could just get anybody. You can get five friends,
you can get however you want. That's a barker show. Barker. Yeah, yeah,
that's a wait's barking, now it's barking. You watched you crashing?
(26:35):
I got, not that I got suckered, but I watched
crashing and then leaving uh, I forgot who did a
set at uh Carolines.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I was leaving Carolines and then I saw the guy
on the corner and I thought of crashing right, And
you know, I was like, all right, let me make
it rain, And I said, dude, and I brought five
hundred dollars worth of tickets.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Whoa right? Just you know, I just made his night right,
And he couldn't believe it. And then I was like
he and he tried to talk himself out of it,
like no, no, no, tickets, just give me, Like tickets
are only twenty dollars. That's all.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I said, dude, give me five hundred dollars worth of tickets.
And he couldn't understand it. And I was like, I
watched Crashing, and I understand that this is how that's.
Speaker 10 (27:21):
Actually a terrible, terrible thing you did.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
You know what, because now somebody's gonna be like, yeah,
we sold out, and nobody's gonna be a sh.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
That's an awful idea.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
No, So what what I was saying is how you
never had to go that route. No, I never. I
never did barking. I never did barking. I mean you
barked like your own show. Like if you like everybody
has kind of like a bar show or whatever, that's
kind of your penance of coming up in comedy, like
you do my show, do your show kind of thing,
So everybody kind of has like a bar show. And
then if your if your show's light, you might go
(27:56):
outside and be like, hey we got a comedy show.
Hey guys come back, coming back with guys, conversa on
the back or whatever. But it was never like four tickets.
It was always usually like a free show. It was
just like a thing like I just didn't want.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
To do you know so what you said you watched
Frashion too though, right, did you watch the show?
Speaker 10 (28:10):
I've seen somebody. I don't really. I watch Food Network
and Sports Center, Like that's literally.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
I know what it is.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
But I just.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I think that once now that you're part of the conversation,
I know what I know how it's made, and I'm
just like, I can't watch it the way like a
regular person can watch. This is why I cannot entertained.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
This is why I feel like I have imposter syndrome,
because I feel like people that are really making history
don't watch history.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
They just make it. Yeah, they make it. And meanwhile,
I'm like, episode twelve, let's keep that right exactly, well, like,
can you watch? Can you watch other late night shows? Dude?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I obsessively like to prepare for that job. Yes, I watch, really,
I watch in the mornings.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I watch. I watched Conan.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I watch everything to see what they're doing, what their
bumpers are like with their walk on the songs. So
if no other reason you know what not to do,
it's like yeah, and then like the guests are on
the show, like I'm watching their entire series to see
if I can get something on the character that I
want saying, like my crack high was who was on
Chappelle the asker gay dude, uh.
Speaker 10 (29:28):
Mario Mario Canton steam Pipe Valley.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
So I did a steam pipe and he almost stopped
the show in tears, like, how do you know about
like we picked this obscure song from.
Speaker 10 (29:46):
I would have picked that up easy.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
That's a good one. Steam Pipe Valley used to come
on every like what was like Saturday. It was like
they would play Looney Tunes. It was like this one
man sketch show and it was all for kids, and
they played Looney Tune in between them. So like, if
you wanted to watch Bugs Bunny, you watch steam Pipe Ali.
It's going on like Channel nine.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Yeah, it is Mario Canton.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Once that like and all this is the Jimmy sagrin
because it's basically like, hey, guys, just play the three
second song and let my guests.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
But then once like the root managed to distract the
guests like how did they know that? Oh my god,
and he wanted to talk about it ruined the interview
and then well no, no, no, I'm just saying At
that point, then I was like, oh ship. Then I'm
watching every show on time and now I have an
addiction like I have that is the ill That is
(30:39):
the illest thing I gotta say, like that, that is
like a really cool thing, like what are the roots
going to bring everybody out to? It's kind of a cool.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It's cool, but then it's like some people come on
the show like with their Matt like Cosby used to
do that, like I only got like a good my
own like jamming on the one reference because then Cosby
was like, like, Okay, well this is why I want
to walk out too, and I'm like, no.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Let me surprise you. Uh. Steve Martin also, but Steve
Martin's are funny.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Because oh he's requests. He makes special requests.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Steve loved the idea of what we did to Michelle Blackman,
Oh my god, right, what we did to her that.
Then he was like, then he.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Would orchestra, but then it like backfire for us because
then we would have to come in early to rehearse
his walk on. Like one time he introduced lady No,
I'm Steve Martin, and Steve Martin came out. He was
on the Letterman set like no, and then he was
on the view set no, and then he was on
Conean set like it was this whole elaborate four minute
(31:43):
walk on thing, and then Will Smith and you know,
so it's just like sometimes it.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Backfires, wait to go back to the source of his
rabbit hole.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Are you saying that you can't watch any entertainment or
is comedy even harder to watch?
Speaker 4 (32:00):
I'm saying comedy. Comedy is hard to watch, and like
comedy in particular, it is hard to watch. But I
don't really there's no like shows that I really I watched,
like Detroiters that like, is that good?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I love it because the ratings are like out of
this world and I want to commit, But again I
love It's that which list I think.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I think it's Jason getting from a beep. Sam Richardson
and Robins, yeah, well and Steve Tim Robinson was like
my officemate at SNL. Tim and Zach who are the
who are the co creators of the show, and so
(32:42):
like I remember them working on it. I wrote an
episode last season and and it's just like their humor
is just the crazy. We used to write the craziest,
craziesth it together on SNL that would never get on
and then we would just have so we would just
bug out all the time.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
So when don't we talk about matriculating from going on
stage with some I and J and just winging it
to becoming a writer, because that's I got.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
The craziest how I got on SNL story I think
that I've heard so far. Literally wait, we didn't even
get to the Daily Show that.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
I was a writer on SNL. Before I was at
the Daily Show.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Order, oh shit, all right, go ahead continue. I was
doing stand up maybe you know if he is in
and I saw Colin Joe's at the Ditton Factory Hannibal's
show in Brooklyn, and we both did a set or whatever,
and he was like, man, you know you're funny whatever,
and we were like we would see each other around,
but like he was he like got to like really
(33:36):
watch me.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
Next day he hit me up like, hey, you.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Want I shouldn't say this is going to like discourage
people from ever going through the process, but he messaged
me where he was head writer at the time at SNL,
and he was like, Yo, if you ever want to
you know, if you have like a packet or something,
I would love to submit your packet to SNL, Like
you know, if you write sketches. And I'd never written
sketch before, so I was like all right, yeah, sure,
(34:02):
I'll do it. And I was like, I ain't fucking writing.
I'm gonna have me write a packet for some shit
that's gonna be bad, you know what I mean. I
don't know how to do that. And he would periodically
hit me up, like every three or four weeks like yo,
you got to you got the package, Like, oh, I'm
still working on it, but yeah, I'm gonna send it
to you. And then it was like the week of
the show where he's like, we just want to come
in as a guest writer. And I was like, all right,
(34:27):
I came in as a guest writer. And it was
two week contract. Literally they throw you in the fire,
so like you get there Monday, so that's another production week.
There's no orientation. You just show up to the show
and you're like, all right, you work here, get to work.
You're responsible to sketches or whatever. And everybody's there was
(34:48):
This was like Fred and Bill and Jason was still there.
Seth was still head writer with with Colin, so it
was like intimidating as fuck. I think Andy and Christen
had just left like a few months.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
Before, and no limitations.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
They just right there. Yeah. They was like, so the
first thing you gotta do is you got to go
into Lawn's office and do the pitch meeting, which I'm
sure you know about. You literally the entire cast and
writing staff in Lawn's office with the host and Kevin
Harts in Lawn's office seventeen with the host. Oh my god,
it is Kevin is Kevin Hart porn and everything. Don't
(35:25):
touch the popcorn at that point. Don't touch the po
It's behind him. So in order to touch the popcorn,
you gotta walk to like up to his chair. And
that's a power move, right. He finally thumbs thumbs us
up once I brought him too big ass. Yeah, back.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
Office, right, Like, y'all know, y'all know, we don't know
what you're talking about. Right, I'm just saying, everybody who listening,
tell y'all.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Inside loves pop. If you walk in, you just you
hear all over the floor. So we're all in there
when everybody's giving sketch ideas. Everybody's telling me this is
like comedy pros, And I'm like, what the fuck am
I doing? So my I had to pitch a sketch
and I got a laugh from it, and I think
after that they was like, my sketch was I probably
(36:09):
told you, but uh it was Kevin Hart playing the
richest black man in New York, Dwayne Reid, and I
always tell that joke. But and everybody laughed and they
were like okay. Lauren was like okay. And then my
first they asked me to write that sketch. It bombed
terribly at the table, but I didn't know what I
was doing. So then the next week was justin Timberlake,
(36:31):
and then I got a sketch on and then it
was like fun and which one was.
Speaker 10 (36:36):
A sketch? You could never do that? That was close
She's Got a Dick, and it was She's Got a Dick.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
It was a romantic comedy trailer about this lady that
had everything, but she also had a dick who played woman.
It was it was justin in the scene. Okay, it
was justin in the scene. So when you say so,
when you say it skip bombed at the table, what
what's the I guess the chain of command? What's the process?
You pitch it in the meeting in law's office and
(37:06):
then what well, I didn't know this, but typically people
who when you do pitch, now I know this. When
you pitch, typically people don't say what they're going to write.
They're usually just saying like a one liner that's going
to make everybody lie. It's really a meeting to make
the host feel comfortable, you know, like you're not you're
not really pitching your ideas.
Speaker 10 (37:26):
Sometimes people do.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
Like there's times where you can pitch something people are like, hey,
that's funny, actually can you do that? And then you
write it and then like that's happened to me a
couple of times, or you know, like I've recommended or
whatever the sketch that that was like super popular. Farewell
mister Bunting. You remember that one where like Pete stands
up and his head gets chopped off on the ceiling fan.
It's like that was a pitch. That was a pitch
(37:50):
that Colin I think mikey Day pitched it and Colin
was like, hey, you should like we could write that,
and they wrote it together and made it happen.
Speaker 10 (37:58):
But it was almost he was almost like it was
like a throwaway.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I was literally going to ask you, like the reason
why you see me there obsessively every week in the show,
isn't I mean, yes, I want to laugh and I
enjoy the experience. But my conversation with Higgins always the
next day is what was the pitch like?
Speaker 4 (38:16):
And then when you got I said, when I went
to him after that that bit, I said, did someone
just say, okay, we're going to do it? Not good
well hunting? What's the thing where I my soy? Yeah? Like,
did someone just.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Say okay, it's a dead post society sketch? But then
when Pete stands on the table, he's going to get beheaded?
Speaker 10 (38:36):
Like how do you literally pretty much that?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, But the thing is like a lot of the
physical comedy or the or the one bit where somebody
was a poster or something that involves physical comedy, It's like,
how do you articulate that that's going to be the
funny part if?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
And how does that work in the room that actually
gets you too. That's where the show gets tricky because
there's a lot of things that make a table full
of comedy writers laugh that doesn't make America laugh. And
there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make us laugh
that becomes a massive hit or whatever. So I think
that's that's kind of like when Lauren and Higgins and
and Ken word like, that's kind of when they're saying,
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you know what, I think this will look good on tape,
even though it doesn't play hot at the table, I
think this will work. I think this will be really
good for the show. So there's a lot of I
remember that. Yeah, well, I think we all knew that
it would be funny. But it's when you're reading, because
it's everybody's reading their part, and then Lauren is reading
the stage direction. We're not really acting. Now he reads
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every stage director.
Speaker 7 (39:43):
So can I ask a crazy question?
Speaker 8 (39:45):
You're throwing out names and I just googled one because
I had to figure out who Higgins was. Okay, it's
Steve Higgins. Okay, this is the guy who is actually
on the Tonight Show. But he also is like a writer.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Higgins is like he runs yeah, different fat and he's
just like that's his DJ gig, right, but you know
his roots gig is SNL Yes, yes, legendary writer for
the show. And now he's a producer and he works
pretty hands on on the show. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
See, well that's the thing because usually, like you know,
commercial breaks when like Lauren is just in the middle
of the floor, like in the camera.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Shot photo opp right, part of me is wondering, like, okay,
are you again? Are you Ronald McDonald? Are you a crop?
Like are you really making the decisions? So he actually
reads the Oh no, Lauren makes the like Lauren is
the guy. He's very he's extremely hands up. We all
go in his office and we talked things through and
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he has the board and he gives He's very, very
very instrumental in get I never knew that. I just start.
Sometimes he comes up with the cold open sometimes like
we'll be you know, like we won't have a cold open.
We've been writing our cold opens much much later in
the week because of the news, because of the news
cycle has just been insane. We've been we've had to
like rewrite cold over and rewrite updates on Thursday and
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Friday sometimes like just because of the news, Like the
country is completely different between Wednesday and Friday, like completely different.
So you know, he'll be like, I feel like maybe
we should do something like this or whatever, and then
he kind of like orders it up. A lot of times,
you know, oh good, Oh so what is the production schedule.
So so Monday we meet the host and it's kind
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of a light day. You could start writing, but you
really don't have to. But it's really writers meeting and
then host meeting, and then Tuesday we come in for writing.
Then you just write all day Tuesday. Sometimes I get
in usually around three four pm, and then I'll maybe
leave at about seven eight am and then go home,
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take a nap, take a shower, then go to table read,
which is usually around three pm.
Speaker 10 (41:54):
On Wednesday. We read up until about eight o'clock and.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Table readers, you guys, table read, we read about forty
anywhere between thirty five and forty of the sketches you
wrote on Tuesday that we all wrote on Tuesday, and
then we picked maybe eleven to produce. We rewrite it Thursday.
We do our pre tapes Friday and our blocking Friday,
and then Saturday run through dress rehearsal air. Do you
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Between dress rehearsal and air, we usually cut two to
three sketches cut meaning meaning it together.
Speaker 10 (42:31):
Yeah, it's like a two hour show.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
We go in with about two hours and then we
leave what about ninety minutes for live, and sometimes we're
cutting shit on air.
Speaker 10 (42:42):
Sometimes we're rewriting shit on there.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
There's times where like the show is on and you're
in your dressing room and you think your day's open,
your sketch is next, and they're like, hey, they need
you in a control room and you're literally in the
script department cutting out sketches, cutting out lines of a sketch.
So if you ever like watching the show and at
the end you're like, well that ended weird because we
had to shave forty five seconds out of a three
minute sketch, which happens a lot. Yeah, and if if
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well that's how I first met you. I learned the processes.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
If you're one of the bits that gets cut, if
you're newbie, you might take a little personal you might
take a little personal Pam pizza.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
So then you go up to seventeen and then you
get ship face drunk if you just been.
Speaker 8 (43:27):
Yep, Because does everybody every week at least get in
a get in a segment, like everybody.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Hannibal said, no, no, not Hannible, what's his name said?
He never got his? I think I think Hannibal got
like one or two. But yeah, some it's it's for
some writers you never see it's been a little bit. Well,
you got to think when they were writing, they had
like I mean it was like, yeah, they you had
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like Kristen wigg and only people on the show that
that's like half the show right there. I didn't write anything.
Speaker 10 (44:01):
She was in real Estate gets a lot smaller, you know,
so like you.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Know, Larry David said he none of his bits ever
got on. Yeah, Larry David, Sarah Silverman, I've heard that
as well.
Speaker 7 (44:14):
And to work there for years.
Speaker 10 (44:15):
I think Sarah was only there for like a year
or two. I don't think she was there.
Speaker 7 (44:19):
Well, so is it an official?
Speaker 8 (44:21):
Is there really an official like s n L Frattorney, Like,
was there a moment when you felt like, yes, I'm
officially in this special collective and I can go talk
to Bill Murray at anytime?
Speaker 4 (44:29):
And No, it's really you never feel that because it's you.
You just get comfortable. It's like anything else. It's like
you really it just it ends up being like holy ship,
that's Bill Murray to Bill Murray's here. It becomes like
just that, Yeah, we see them all the time. And
(44:50):
I think that's kind of the crazy thing. Like we're
probably the only show where people are more nervous than
we are, yeah, to be on than we are to
have them on.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
Not even the nervous part, just a camaraderie of knowing that. Okay,
So if Chevvy chasees me on the street, he's going
to say something because we are in this fraternity, like.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Or maybe he won't. Maybe he won't.
Speaker 7 (45:12):
I should have went fast basketball.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
I don't know. Okay, when when someone you haven't worked
with from the show knows who you are, it's a
very strange experience, Like you're like, what I saw John
Love It's I've never seen him outside of the show
before this, and I saw him in l A one
time and he was like nice to me and I
was like, John Love It. It was like it blew
(45:42):
my mind becau. John Loves was like my favorite guy favorite.
He was, Oh my god, I love John Love this.
He was so funny.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
So okay, with the host that come on the show,
do you I feel like there's three types of posts.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
So if.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Say, someone that's eager and easy to work with, I
would assume that Hanks is that guy that's like really
about making the most of a moment hosting ESNL.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
He's a dream come true. Yes, I'm sure that timber
Lake is also that way, very eager to you know,
can do anything, do what I gotta do to make
sure this is a classic episode. If it's funny, He's
with it. But then.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
You know, you guys might get a wild card like
were you there during the Trump yeah, hosting, Yeah, of
which I'm sure that was a little crazy.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Well, it wasn't. To me. It wasn't that crazy because
I didn't expect him to win until like a year
after that. Like at that time, it still kind of
felt like it was still a little bit of a joke.
It wasn't as kind of like you know, it wasn't like.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Not even not even the process of like will he
be president? I'm just talking about like a good host
for the show, deliverying that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
A good host for me is a little bit different
like somebody like a comedian. When a stand up is hosting,
it's usually not fun for me, really, yes, because they
bringing their own team. Because not only they bringing their
own team, but stand ups and like comedians wroke, like
they know why they're funny, they're not. They trust themselves
way more than they trust the writings, you know, and
(47:38):
they know they got one shot at this and they
don't want a bomb, so they're like, I don't know.
They're on the fence about everything. They're not shut about
anything until they hear to laugh and they'll say, all right,
we can, we can do this. That was gonna I love.
Speaker 10 (47:50):
My favorite is like a like a Blake Shelton.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
That's just like, man, just you unexpected. I don't care.
Just just write it. I'll read it. If it works.
It works.
Speaker 10 (48:02):
That's a dream scenario.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
What was Chappelle like?
Speaker 10 (48:05):
What was his Chappelle was?
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Well?
Speaker 10 (48:07):
First of was Chappelle is not only is he a genius,
but he's a perfectionist.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
And also this week was like the craziest week because
Trump had won. So literally Tuesday you felt one way
and the country was completely different by Wednesday, Like I
never other than nine to eleven, I don't remember a
more drastic change and tone after a day. So to
(48:34):
write comp we mind, we write the show Tuesday, so
we have to write a sketch, you know what I mean.
You gotta imagine writing like the Poop Family sketch and
you're watching the country literally fall apart, and you're like,
all right, what does he say? Next, you know, it's
nothing that seems important at that time. So by Wednesday,
table read all those sketches in rough shape because everyone
(48:56):
was so distracted and nobody really had anything good. But
Neil Brennan helped a lot, and Chappelle of course got
his hands on stuff, and Brian Tucker did a lot
of work to bring everything up. We all you know,
pitched in to bring everything up h to get the
show ready by Saturday. But that was like a really
(49:16):
weird week. So it's hard for me to really say
what Dave was like because it was such a bizarre circumstances.
So the whole sometimes will help with sketches, of course.
I mean if they yeah, they know what they're doing,
they'll yeah. I mean they got to say it. We
do the show for them and they and they ultimately
get to pick. Like when we picked the sketches that
go on the show, it's the head writers and the
(49:37):
producers and uh Lauren and the host and we we
talk it through, like we talked through I feel like
you need something here or whatever. We just kind of
tell them the formula of the show and what we
think will make them look good. Cast coverage, all of
that stuff, and then we kind of decided from there,
and there's some stuff that they'll fight for and there's
some stuff that they're like, hey, I trust you.
Speaker 8 (49:56):
Has that ever been a comedian who's bought a ridiculous
amount of life writers with him?
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Uh? What's ridiculous? Number more than two is kind of
crazy based on what I've watched. All Right, all you
have to do is confirm yes or no. You don't
have to say anything.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Did Rock bring a lot of writers on his episode? Thing? Though,
because I can tell the difference between when a comedian
host brings his own people and then when a comedy
well not a comedian, but when someone knows to trust
the process. Now, I don't have any expectations for the
(50:43):
Larry David episode, but that to me was one of
the funniest shows ever. Yeah, And I was like, okay,
former uh, former SNL alumni, he knows that he knows
the situation writing on that I know. But but thus
that's why his episode turned out to be hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(51:06):
whereas you know, I mean, there's no secret, Like even
Rock and I talked about it, like his episode, the
one with Prince was probably the the not so well
executed episode.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
Well. I think that's also a big difference, is is that,
like Larry David really wanted to do it. I don't.
I think Chris was kind of Chris is all you
know how Chris, He's like, I don't know, like he's.
Speaker 10 (51:36):
Never like gung ho excited to do that.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like he's so just added
to Like Larry David was kind of like dude, he
was like laughing out loud at the table, like it
was a little bit of a different kind of energy
where it. Yeah, it was a little bit.
Speaker 8 (51:51):
Chris is a little bit more like Yeah, So that
takes me ask that sketch with Chris and Dave, how
many people does it take to write Christen days? Now?
Speaker 4 (52:01):
That sketch is almost and that sketch is a like
perfect example of the week. That sketch was completely different
Wednesday than it ended up being because because Hillary because yeah,
so like they had to completely retool that sketch. It
make different. I think the initial premise it was it
was a Tucker Tucker and Neil wrote it. I think
(52:24):
the initial premise, I don't even you have to me,
I don't even remember the initiate, but it was so
far from what it ended up being. That why I
actually liked that bit.
Speaker 7 (52:34):
I like and it was hell of black. But you
said wrote that.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
Neil Brennan and Brian Tucker they're very white but.
Speaker 7 (52:50):
They get pass some days.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
But that was like Tucker, Tucker and I write Black
Jeopardy together. So to give you an idea of how No,
I can his sense of he's from North Carolina. He's
got like what city is from? I don't know where
he's from. That as I'm saying that, I'm like, yeah, well, yeah,
I really don't.
Speaker 7 (53:08):
Know what city, given him the past and everything.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know what city, but definitely
North Carolina. Speaking of Speaking of which, I'm gonna gas
Chap like around because he's a huge UNC fan.
Speaker 7 (53:22):
That whites man from North Carolina that knows our people.
I must look into this.
Speaker 10 (53:27):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what
the end game is for him, but he seems nice now.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
Speaking speaking of which, speaking of which, it just hit
me right now that you, Michael, are probably the first,
uh black cast member of that show to really not
(53:59):
have to endure the Is he going to be the
next Eddie. Oh that's a really good point. No, yeah,
I'm never, yeah I was. I was never chasing a
ghost on that show. I think you're chasing a different
ghost though, because I update, Yeah.
Speaker 10 (54:20):
I had to Seth was my ghost, which was like terrible.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
You know what I mean, probably for you is like
surviving weekend update as opposed to will I make a
one hundred million dollar paramount movie deal once I get
off the show.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
When I first got to the show, I was like,
I was the only black writer on the show when
I my first my first year. But that's why I
don't like it's so weird when people say, oh, you're
a first black head writer, and I'm always like, it
wasn't like.
Speaker 10 (54:48):
It was a rule, you know, like Jackie Robins writer.
Speaker 4 (54:53):
Now, yeah, I like this year right because it was
big h.
Speaker 10 (54:59):
That's the crazy thing. I became head writer.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
I became a guest writer, and Kevin Hart was the host.
And when I became head writer, Kevin Hart was the host.
Forgive me, he's doing it and not Ken the host.
I gotta git a promotion for some reason. No, But
(55:22):
I mean like I was the first I was there.
I was the only writer there only black writer there, so.
Speaker 7 (55:30):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (55:31):
There was there was ton that after that. Then Leslie
was a writer, and then the Kendricks was a There
was a few, there was a few black women. Oh,
head writer, I don't know, but like, so what is
what is it to me to be the head god?
Am I about to open this ben doors box? All
(55:54):
I know from what I know from where I work, Yeah,
you know a lot being the head writer. Interviews always
act like they don't know, trying to keep I don't know.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
I'm just saying that from what I observed, being the
head writer is just I'm not dancing line it just
let me say it. It's it's a nightmare because basically
requires you to be the bad cop.
Speaker 10 (56:29):
Yeah, you gotta be the bad cop.
Speaker 4 (56:31):
But also well, head writer is not necessarily the bad cop.
That's I feel like producer Higgins and I feel like
the producers are more so the bad cop. Higgins is
a bad cop.
Speaker 10 (56:45):
I mean they're in the position to be back.
Speaker 4 (56:47):
I've never seen Higgins serious day in his life, and
I've known him from nine years, So I don't know
how to comedy serious. You gotta the comedy serious people.
Comedians are so sensitive, like so sens it's like because
when you're telling somebody this isn't funny or you're doing
it bad, you know, like you can't. It's hard to recover,
(57:09):
especially when you're in that room with all with Kate
McKinnon and all these mothers that are awesome and comedy
is so absolute. Either the shit funny or it ain't.
Is the news broken at the table, I don't know
about this or is it like later like no, no,
what after high school?
Speaker 10 (57:27):
After we read all of the sketch.
Speaker 4 (57:28):
Yes, it's pretty much like basketball the basketball team where
they write what made it on the on the door okay,
and then you all of the sketches are on in
then they circles the ones that's that's going because then
you have to go produce your sketch. Like literally, when
you find out your sketches picked on on Wednesday night,
you have to go to production and you go to
wardrobe department, you go to the hair department, you go
(57:50):
to the the set department, you go to props. You
go to everybody and tell them what you need for.
Speaker 8 (57:55):
Your sketch and they give you liked they give you
a budget like that's too expensive?
Speaker 7 (57:58):
You want an explosion, we can't do that.
Speaker 4 (57:59):
Like the videos for pre tape, they don't give you
a number, they don't give you a number budget, but
they will say, all right, that's a little we probably
can't do that because you know, we can't get a
real Lamborghini you know what I mean, whatever, But but
a lot of our stuff they can do. Like if
it's good though, that's when Lauren comes in. That's when
he's like, no, you know what, fuck that, we're doing it.
And then that's you know, he's always on the side
(58:20):
of the show, which is the makes it a lot
easier side question or you said, then Lauren has to
come in, so well damn. Now you're the parent.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
So okay, say I'm a writer there and I'm asking
you dad hypothetically Dad, no, no, no no, and you're like,
and you somehow diplomatically or whatever, tell me, I don't
think that's going to work.
Speaker 4 (58:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
Has there ever been a at dinner Lauren? I really
had this this idea that I think and then like
you gotta sneak at the Higgins and Lauren Lauren and
then like going over your head the way the system
is well nothing, See, I don't have an agenda, so nothing.
Speaker 10 (59:06):
You don't have to go over my head.
Speaker 4 (59:07):
If you perses of where a writer or a cast
member like kind of goo wright is back to good.
I feel like, what when like, we don't have an agenda?
So when a writer will come up to us or
whatever and tell us, like about a sketch they want
to do, or an idea that they have or whatever,
(59:28):
if we think it might be like a disaster, we'll
be like, well, I mean, we'll try to kind of
redirect the idea. But at the end of the day,
you got the computer, you write it, you put the
script out. If it plays at the table, everybody hears
it at the same time. If it plays it seems
like something that can be done, then that's your argument,
(59:49):
you know what I mean? Yo, it worked, it killed?
Why is this not going on? Then they might go
to lawn after that. But Lorn makes that decision. Is
it wise to we help him? But he makes that
decision ultimately of what we should be producing, what's what
shouldn't be produced? Is it wise to choose a partner?
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Like if you come in there on your own, like
I'm alone writer, Yeah, is it wise for me to say, Okay?
So Kate McKinnon is being used a lot more than
blah blah blah blah blah. So you know, hey, Kate,
I got an idea for you, or let's write a
thing together.
Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Yeah, it becomes that's the first move. That's the first move.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Usually I don't want to know who's the barbershop share
that no one wants to go to the guy.
Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
That doesn't cut number five. Yeah, but it's how Also
it becomes a chemistry thing. It also becomes like because
you got to think you're in a room with this person.
So if you can't get along with somebody, you think
they're weird, like you don't want to be in there
trying to But that's my question. All right now, I
(01:00:52):
hate to throw you under the bus.
Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
So yeah, John love he loves him.
Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
See right now, before you throw me under the there's
still times of Steve's kind of the resident oscular grouch
at at thirty on on the sixth floor. No, yeah,
he is, but like like a lovable grump. You know,
people know everyone loves Steve, but it's like a lovable grump.
(01:01:22):
But the thing is is that what if you have
the goods as a writer, but you might have aford
to have an he got it. Yeah, like person, this
(01:01:44):
guy is funny, right, but he loved him him you know, no, yeah,
I mean that happens too. I mean like that's it's
it is political, like like anything else would be. You know,
a lot of it just becomes you know, that's when
the producers kind of step in because they you know,
they kind of go around and they find out what
(01:02:04):
everybody's writing.
Speaker 10 (01:02:05):
Hey, what are you guys working on? What are you
working on?
Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Okay, oh that'll be good, or we need more table,
we need more of this whatever. So in those discussions
they realize, hey, this cast member is not being written
for as much or whatever, so maybe you know, and
then we'll kind of like, okay, well, well what could
be something that they can do? And then you make
sure that you have covered You kind of make sure
everybody has a shot at the table, everybody has something
at the table. Do you feel a that's something that
(01:02:28):
becomes a responsibility when you're as a head writer and
as a producer that maybe you didn't even think about
as a regular writer. So when you're a head writer,
what's the difference between your head writer you're kind of
you know, you're it's more decision making. Okay, it's more
(01:02:48):
it's more decision making.
Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Do you do you feel a well, I guess we
all feel pressure as black people, But do you feel
a pressure in.
Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
This sort of unspoken tug of war.
Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Battle to make where you work reflective of where America
is now as opposed to the comfort zone that SNL
was associated with. Like, I can assume my idea that
you're not an avid, obsessive SNL.
Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 7 (01:03:25):
A update because not for nothing I do, right, No,
I get it if I see me, I'm on, I'm
on it.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
But right, see, but I respect the institution of comedy,
so I'd watch it regardless.
Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
But I will say that now that I think now
that they're aware that, okay, we have to be more inclusive.
Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
Of now that they were forced and pressure about a
few years ago with the higher of two black ladies.
Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Right, But I also feels like, you know, you have
to reflect what America true is, like there's no hiding
it anymore, right it used to be.
Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Well, it's so funny you say that, because I was
just talking to somebody at the show about this yesterday,
and I always feel like when people bring up diversity
they always bring up, just like different colors of people
that think the same, you know, And I kind of
like the idea. I kind of like the tension in
(01:04:25):
the show of people having different beliefs and people kind
of having different That's what makes it a variety show.
That's what makes it so, you know, I kind of
I like personally just kind of writing stuff that's a
little bit against what maybe people think a liberal comedy
show should be or whatever, because we're really not a
liberal show. We're a variety show. We're supposed to be
(01:04:47):
what America is, and America isn't one thing. America isn't
all on the left.
Speaker 7 (01:04:51):
And I'm cologized.
Speaker 8 (01:04:52):
I forgot that Michael now is the head writer, which
option been writing watching ever since they made that announcement,
because now I can because I know there's a voice
of higher up making this.
Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Oh yeah, I mean what I'm saying. The idea of
Black Jeopardy probably probably wouldn't have flown, but it was
so authentic and so good. I was like, it's honest
for me and some you know y'all like yeah, I
hear you laughing a mirror like that sort of yeah, yeah, yeah,
Like where I'm laughing louder than the people that slept
ten hours on the sidewalk to watch kill Swift perform.
(01:05:23):
Its like, is there ever a concern?
Speaker 10 (01:05:25):
You just said a very interesting thing. But what you
just said a very interesting thing.
Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Which makes our show so unique is that our show
we never know who our audience is gonna be. Our
show could be all hairl of Swift fans. Ow I
gotta do North Korea jokes for the people that came
to see the one direction it might not work the same,
you know what I mean. Or your sketch whatever, you
could have a political sketch for, you know, the Bruno
Mars from whoever and or vice versa. You know, you
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could have kind of a uh, you know, I feel
like the musical act dictates dictates, uh, the musical as
what audience is going to be there typically because music
fans are a little bit different than actor fans, you know,
so the host, the host usually has a fan base
of you know, it's recognizable, but the music is the
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motherfucker's just camping out, you know what I mean. So,
I mean, you know, it's just different. You never know
who there is. John Stewart does his show. They didn't
see John Stewart or Colbert Jimmy like they did see Jimmy.
You know. So it's it's a little bit different for
us because the Starter show is our cast and our host, and.
Speaker 7 (01:06:29):
When it comes it is like all the Black America
swoop down.
Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
There's certain there's certain black shows that we have that's like,
oh boy, my phone was about to be.
Speaker 10 (01:06:41):
Yeah, like Glover, it was like a ship.
Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Donald Glover, Drake of course, Kevin Hart,
of course, any chappelle forget about it. It was what
was a chappelle and tribe was Tiffany had I got
a lot of I got a lot of calls tif one.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Yeah, yeah, I was shocked. I got in a few
of those. It's my dream to actually be an intern there.
Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
So that.
Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Like for me, like Higgins is like, no, man, you
can't come to pitch meetings, but I just want to
see how pitch meetings are, just so I can figure
out how that machine runs.
Speaker 8 (01:07:24):
But you have a thirty rock show in you you
know that there's like a whole show in that building
that you could just host.
Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I you know, we talk about that all the time,
like what happens out of the show is actually that's
more funnier and interesting than you know, the shows that
are produced.
Speaker 8 (01:07:38):
There is it a pressure for a Lauren Michael's produced movie,
Like what's the process? Because it feels like Lauren only
really produces the movies that his people are in. But
is there pressure or is there like, Okay, I know
this is an added incentive that I might get him
behind it, so I need to write something.
Speaker 10 (01:07:54):
Is there a pressure to make one?
Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Yeah? Oh, I'm never really I'm never really into anything
like that. Like I'm always like, what if I have
a good idea, how do we execute the idea? I
think it comes from doing that's enough for so long.
It's just like if I have an idea, that's if
it's a sketch, I'm like, oh, this will probably be
better as a live sketule. This will probably better as
(01:08:16):
a pre table, This will probably be better as a
sitcom script, but this will probably be better as a movie.
Like that's whatever it is to execute it is how
how I go by I's to hear you talk. You're
so nonchalant about it that it's like, hey, you know that,
Whereas like when when when Pharaoh was there? There was
(01:08:36):
always like the hope of tomorrow, Like Okay, no, this
is gonna be my moment. No, no, you know that's
not how comedy works, man, you know. But the thing
is is that for you to just get in the
comedy less than eleven twelve years ago, Like how do
you have this sage?
Speaker 8 (01:08:56):
Like because I enjoy it, You're like in the moment.
Most people don't. They're not in the moment working for
the next one.
Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Look, I've met in a moment because I enjoyed the moment,
Like this is fun for me, you know what I mean.
So it's like this is you know, like this is
this right here is fun and producing something that's fun
and right being in the writing room is fun. So
I'm not in the rush to leave or do something
else if I'm having fun doing this, you know what
I mean. I feel like a lot of people are
always kind of trying to find that next thing. Once
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they get it, it's not it's not fun, and they're like, well,
what's the others the next? I enjoy this part of it.
Speaker 8 (01:09:30):
So now that we know that you're not in a
rush to do things, which is why we haven't seen
you in too many projects. But However, I don't like
when we saw you in Top five, I was like, okay, so.
Speaker 10 (01:09:40):
This a whole scene, fucking cut. I'm going to I'm
going to direct this floor.
Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
I don't know. I'm still mad at Chris.
Speaker 7 (01:09:47):
But you did it, which is like that.
Speaker 9 (01:09:52):
I was.
Speaker 10 (01:09:53):
I had a whole thing.
Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
It was like me and Chris like one on one,
I'm telling him to go to the projects and then
and then but why in the movie, as like somebody
that like has to make those decisions. I'm like, oh yeah,
I guess that was a stupid transitional scene that you
did not need or whatever. But I was still mad
that I that I was cut.
Speaker 8 (01:10:12):
But what was that like in that scene with all
of those people at that one time, because you know
when he went back to the projects and it was
like you Sherry Shepherd.
Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Chris, Chris just the shit out of me, and that
during that what you call it, it was hilarious. He
goes we were because I remember in that that XM studio,
that scene it's me and him and Rosario and Rosario.
Speaker 10 (01:10:30):
I'm like starstruck.
Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
I was, you know, and I'm like holy ship and
she's like nice where You're like, oh my God, I
think I think she loves me anytime. Exactly. She's just
like a nice person that happens to beautiful like this,
she must love me. She was super nice and then
uh she was. She was like, where are you from?
Because she's from the Lower east Side too, so we
(01:10:53):
were talking about like the Lower east Side and she's like.
Speaker 10 (01:10:55):
Have I met you before? And I'm like, I don't.
I don't think so, And that's all Chris Hurt.
Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
You don't think so. You don't know if you met
Rosario Dawson, I don't know. And everybody's just dying like
have you met Beyonce? You remember that nigg.
Speaker 10 (01:11:18):
Like and I'm like on set like an action.
Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
Like I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 10 (01:11:21):
Just give me out of here, just give me my
Uber pull back.
Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
So wait, what was your reaction when they told you
we want you to try a weaken up dates? My
reaction was no? Initially you said no initially? I mean
it was like, it's the same reaction I hosting Emmy.
I'm like, I don't know that, but could you collectively
feel all of Black America watching you to make sure
(01:11:48):
that you know?
Speaker 10 (01:11:49):
I never really, I never thought it'd be that I
never thought.
Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
I always thought, if you if you let me talk,
if you let me say what I want to say,
somebody's gonna notice what I'm saying because I just like
to say shit like that. You know. That's like since kindergarten.
But on Weekend Update, the format was so rigid that
it took me like maybe two seasons to even feel
(01:12:16):
like I could say what I wanted to say, just
because it was it was already. It's such a set
formula that we were doing. I always feel like there's
like anybody on TV has like there's like a stepdad
period for a lot of people that's replacing somebody. So
a lot of times the audience is going to reject
you anyway like a step dad, just because you're not
(01:12:36):
just because you're not that, you know what I mean.
Like if I think I saw like Trevor go through it,
and you see I saw, you know, yes, Stephen, Stephen
Colbert certainly with you know, just it's just it's not
let him in. So I don't like it because it's
not let them and it's like, yeah, but that's Stephen Colbert,
but it's not let you know what I mean? Huh,
(01:12:56):
you get after a while right now YouTube my favorite comment,
I'm like, who's polaring? Well, I don't know. That's because
when you when you, when you start doing, when you
start doing you, when you start doing it, they realized, well, okay,
he's not good.
Speaker 10 (01:13:10):
That's not coming back, is not coming back, and I'm waking.
Speaker 8 (01:13:17):
Pretty use of that role change in like every decade.
I feel like, yeah, like Dennis millerded, but you have.
Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
To make it yours. There was a point, there was
like a turning point for me on the show where
I was like, if I didn't show up to work
and someone else did this job, no one would care
because there's nothing that I'm saying that only I can say.
And that was how I started writing, when I was like, well,
what can I say that nobody else can say? Do
(01:13:45):
you write? Or does someone else?
Speaker 7 (01:13:47):
Now?
Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
Just now I write? At first, I didn't write any
of it for like a season, I didn't write any
of them and then and now and Lauren would be like,
you need to write it, and I was like, well
I don't.
Speaker 10 (01:14:00):
I don't think you realize what I write, you.
Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Know what I mean? I didn't know remember in Trading
Places when they brought Eddie Murray to the house and
he was in there was like, this is all your
stuff and he's still stealing you. Like, no, you don't understand,
you're you're stealing your stuff. Like that's how I felt
at the show. They were like, just take control of it.
And I'd be like, yeah, okay, whatever, Hey what should
I say next? They said, no, say what you want
(01:14:25):
to say. So after a while I was like, slide
in one and then I would be like, oh, I'm
not okay, I slide in two. And the next thing
I know, I was like, all right, this is what
we're going to do. How much research do you have
to do? Like do you now have to obsessively watch
MSNBC and Fox News? And I don't. Everybody is everybody
prizes himself that everybody that does my job or my
(01:14:46):
type of job prizes himself to being the smartest guy
in the room. I try to take the perspective of
the guy that does that's the smartest guy in the
room that doesn't know anything about what's going on. Like
I tried. My grandmother is my comedy influence. When it
comes to a weekend update, I'm like, if I told
my grandmother what happened. What would her reaction immediate? You
know what I mean? And that's how you get cheap cracker,
(01:15:07):
you know what I mean, That's how you get that though.
It's just like, what's the what do people who don't
watch the news all the time? I think when they
hear this ship, it's like the kind of lowest common
denominator of where's that connection? And that's kind of where
I write from. But you know that's my thing, and
Colin does the other thing and then it so jump
(01:15:29):
into the Emmys? How long does it well to August? Now?
And when when are they? We just had our first
We just had a meeting yesterday, not our first meeting,
but we had a meeting, a meeting yesterday. We're gonna
it's gonna be fun. I think we would be the
SNL team that you work with? Are you working with?
The is there an mmy team? We got we got
a few ringers, but we got a lot of us
(01:15:51):
and know people and we kind of got a good balance.
Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Does it require like are you you know, are you
entertaining uh you know, spirit fingers, musical opening or is
it just like all right?
Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
There might be something might be some elements of music.
We wanted to feel like Essenel is hosting the Yemmy's,
but while still keeping the integrity of the Yemmys, you know,
like we don't want to kind of spoof it or
lampoon it. But is it me?
Speaker 8 (01:16:23):
Me thinks Lauren also got a special relationship with the
Emmys because, like in retrospect you think about the Tina Amy,
like a lot of alums have kind of hosted that.
Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
As well well, the way they did Well Amy did
goldenlu They rotated through the networks the Emmys, so like this,
so when NBC has it, I think it's been Jimmy,
and it's been Jimmy is like four years ago, and
Seth's done it before.
Speaker 8 (01:16:48):
They have a favorite host so far, Like for awarding
any award show? Have you watched an award show once?
Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
He was like, Yo, I like Tina Aamy a lot.
I think they I think I love what they do together.
I think they're they're really good. And I think I
think there are two people that when they do what
they can do, what only they can do. You know
what I mean.
Speaker 10 (01:17:05):
I guess you can't just have two random people do
the same app.
Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
I was going to say since it's such a staple
where you know you have the Peacha delivery guy in
the audience thing, you should just take them to like
Roscoes or something.
Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
I would love I would love to put I got
we got a couple of tricks of us. I got
a couple of tricks of us leaves that we were
talking about that could be really fun. I'll tell you.
I can't spoil it. Don't spoil'll kill me.
Speaker 7 (01:17:29):
But you're gonna have you need some que cars because
you don't watch TV.
Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
So all those people in the audit we got que cars.
Then we got what you call it to problem. Yeah, hopefully,
Well we got to figure all that out though, because
you can't show the que cars on TV. So actually
by the time this air is this it will have
when it's the.
Speaker 7 (01:17:46):
Air date again for the Emmys, I think late September.
Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
Yeah, like I think time spoil it? No, no, no,
maybe all right, I don't know. I don't know Mario
one about that unlikely, so I didn't I didn't get it.
(01:18:12):
I was like, this ship is a hit, y'all really
like this song? Yeah, Mario.
Speaker 7 (01:18:18):
Favorite, I think about Mario Wrio.
Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Yeah, I didn't know, so any any plans for any
other stand up specials.
Speaker 10 (01:18:29):
Or yeah I'm working on the special now.
Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
But another one that I think is where I feel
like specials are just not really because so many people
have specials that it's almost like, yeah, it's special anymore money, Yeah,
they gave me a little it was it was okay,
they didn't they didn't monique me, they didn't me. They
did they took care of me a little bit. But uh,
(01:18:53):
it's it's not even so much. I don't know. I
just feel I always like to go against the ground.
Everybody's going one way, I kind of want to go
another way. I was thinking of something a little bit different.
Everybody seems to be trying to do stuff a little
bit more conceptual. Now that's, you know, just because they're
trying to stand out. But I don't know, it's just specials.
(01:19:13):
It's just weird, like when you have access to producing them,
when it's when it's not like four year. When I
was a kid, it was like four specials would come
out a year, Like you waited for Chris Rock Special
because that was one of three specials that.
Speaker 10 (01:19:27):
You were going to get to see Kat Williams or whatever.
Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
And that's kind of why they were so big, and
when the special came on repeat, it was that one,
so everybody kind of knew it.
Speaker 10 (01:19:36):
And I feel like, now there's ten a week have Netflix.
Speaker 7 (01:19:40):
It's like, who oh yeah, a millennial nasty comedian.
Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Yeah, it's it's a lot, and not just Netflix, it's
just it's everywhere. But the cool thing that I do
like about Netflix though not just because they paid me last,
but they people tend to watch multiple in a row,
so like like when Dave's special comes out, I get
a lot of hits about my special because I'm like, oh,
(01:20:06):
so you saw it?
Speaker 10 (01:20:07):
Was like if you like that guy, yeah, and then
they kind of throw you out.
Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
So it is cool because the people that are going
like looking for one guy will you know, discover a
lot more.
Speaker 10 (01:20:18):
So that is that is a benefit.
Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
But for me, I just think conceptually to make people
talk about it, it can't just be did you hear
his you see his special? It's gotta be did you
see this thing about that? You know? It's got to
be a little bit more interact with people on Yeah,
Oh that's fun. I don't get to do that a
lot anymore, but they don't let me. They don't yeah,
(01:20:43):
they don't really are you. I know, I gotta start.
I gotta start dragging my nuts.
Speaker 8 (01:20:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
I want to ask you alway want to ask you,
how did What was your reaction when the text from
old Girl hitting neck NI? I just wanted to dap
you up from Yo, you handled that ship? I was like,
word the fun up, Here's what happened here. So I
got hit up by page six on Facebook. Literally she
(01:21:11):
was like, hey, we got this, uh this lady that's
been saying that you did x y Z the hood
and you know you were really mean and rude and nasty,
and she We're gonna run the story.
Speaker 10 (01:21:22):
Do you have any comments?
Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
And she showed me the story she was gonna run,
and it was just basically close on it that I
was a piece of ships that I was like, did
this you know, just from texting?
Speaker 10 (01:21:32):
And I was like, none of that shit happened.
Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
Like I have every text and it's not even that
I saved text, it's just I never delete text. Yeah,
I just don't think too, you know. So I was like, Yo,
I found her number and I was like, this is
every interaction I've ever had with her and I'm not
even gonna tell you my side, I'll let you tell
me my side. And she was like, okay, can I
use these? And I was like, yeah, I'm thinking she
means use a quote. She's gonna the fucking screenshots that
(01:21:57):
I sent her, so it looked way it looked like
I was trying to I was like, no, I was
really just showing her, thinking that she was going to
quote one line or two or whatever and say well
this is bullshit or even or take it to an
editor and like hey, we can't run this story. And
then they ran it, and then it kind of I
almost wish I didn't say anything about it, because then
maybe it just would have went away.
Speaker 10 (01:22:16):
But I also think if that ship would have.
Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
Ruined me, like in the climbing of me Too and
the climbing of you know, the harassment, I would have
never been able to defend myself. If I didn't have
those no, no, no, I would have been fried. I
appreciate you for clapping back. I was like, where the
funk up?
Speaker 10 (01:22:36):
No, that was my I learned my lesson. Yeah, that's
what I mean. When's this come out?
Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
A wait? That was a rail celebrity, uh tender status.
Speaker 7 (01:23:04):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
It's the same ship.
Speaker 7 (01:23:09):
No, you have to be.
Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
Accepted, you know, like how you go to the hallal
cart and one's got a long line and one doesn't.
It's the same fucking meat. It's the same ship. It's
just one got a line, one don't. From the results, yeah,
I mean really, I mean look, it's the same I
didn't know that was a ray of fel.
Speaker 10 (01:23:30):
The only thing I liked about Ray though, is that
you can't scream shot on.
Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
The well yeah they warned you. Yeah, like I did.
It's like, oh damn, you can't. You can't scream? So
what so what is the rail? And I'm not kidding.
So it's a it's a spot. It's a spot that like.
Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
You know, I might see Demu Levado's real joining. I
might see you know, like I see Peers like yeah,
singers seven Street.
Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
You know, it's basically a tender where you will see
more writers people to.
Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
Lose, right exactly, there you go, I got it. Yeah yeah,
like can't keep it in my account. Still ship. Damn.
So if you're looking for a sad immediately and then
what really hurt me too was you know Dan Soda
very funny comedian Dan Soda. He's he's a writer on
(01:24:31):
Billions to show Billions, and so I told them about
Ray like a while ago, and so he wrote it
in the show and he was like, Michael Chay's on
it on the show. So people that watch watch it's
like an episode where somebody says, Michael cha is on
Riyo and I was like you, So now people are like,
(01:24:54):
are you really on Rya? So now I'm like associated
with ride. They need to throw me some money. So
between that and that chick, I gave Ryan a lot
of business.
Speaker 10 (01:25:05):
I'm certain that is hilarious.
Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Yeah, your your ig is some of the most dangerous
comedy they don't I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
I feel like you use it because you know it
would be going in twenty four.
Speaker 10 (01:25:19):
Hours, sometimes less I deleted, sometimes even quicker.
Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
It's just fun. So you leave your comments open for
them for people.
Speaker 10 (01:25:25):
To my messages.
Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
I live open and I like screen cap and I
answer it. I like it better than Twitter because on Twitter,
like they could take they can just at you and
then they get your whole followers to read all of that. Ship.
At this I get to select. I get to pick
what I want people to see. You I don't want people. Yeah,
motherfucker could like at you and then everybody that filed
(01:25:49):
that read your ship. They see that. That's why they
say the wow, crazy shit to you, so that they
could be attached to and then the motherfuckers they use
your own thing. I never thought that, Michael, I don't
like it. Yeah, speaking of dangerous comedy, where you at
SNL when Luis c K did the monologue the child,
how did that shit go? Like, how did that come about?
I mean at that point it was still Louis, you know,
(01:26:12):
it was still like everyone loved Louis, so he could
you know. Like that's the old thing about comedy for me,
is it's not so much what it is, it's who
can do it, you know, kind of like the Richard
Pryor thing, Like, it's not so much what he's saying,
it's that he's saying it in the in that you
know what I mean, in that format that you're like, damn,
(01:26:35):
that's bold, you know. So like for Louie to come
on National TV and say some shit like fucking kids
must be good, You're like, what you know what I mean?
Like on network and this is the first thing we're
seeing this this is supposed to make us watch the
rest of the show. It's just bold. It's just like
fun to watch just on that. You know, like you
that you're even willing to try that. But that's one
(01:26:56):
of the dope things about our show is that that's
where you can do that. That's always got like a
writer's room that came up with that stuff. No, that
was him, that was him, that was Louis. Stand ups
usually will work out their monologue the whole week, okay,
and do they have to run it by y'all before
or I see it? The first time we see it
(01:27:17):
is usually a dress rehearsal. They don't even do it
through run through. They'll do it at dresshearsal with a
live audience because telling jokes to nobody is like very
demoralizing because you have to hear the last you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
It's just like, Yeah, they do that a lot. At
thirty Rocks. Someone has to go through their routine to
an empty audience. Yeah, that's rough, that's right.
Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
I remember when I worked at The Daily Show, John
would go through run through and he would do all
of the jokes to just like us. Yeah, like maybe
twenty of us, maybe fifteen, fifteen, twenty of us, and
that's how he would guess, would then make decisions based
on We would all huddle up right after and he'd
be like, move this, do this, do this, do this,
(01:28:01):
and then we have one more meeting with a big
ass whiteboard. And that was the show. John was a
motherfucker Like I never seen anybody that kind of knew
the audience reaction before the audience knew it better than John.
Speaker 10 (01:28:15):
He was so good at that.
Speaker 7 (01:28:17):
You bounced back and forth because yeah, I went.
Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
To I went to the Daily Show. I didn't have
It was just pretty much I didn't have a summer.
As soon as that Snow wrapped, I went straight to
the Daily Show, And as soon as the Daily Show
and Snow came back, I went.
Speaker 7 (01:28:30):
Straight back to Was that John's last season or one
was John's last season?
Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
I was like maybe three four months before he left.
I didn't know he was leaving though, I had no
idea that's both John's right or no no, no, no
no no. When I remember, like one of my last weeks,
he was given Trevor the tour to come in as
like a correspondent. He was like a special court. He
(01:28:58):
was like kind of doing what Wilmore was going to
be doing. Ah, can you remember what Will Moore used
to do? Yeah, that's what he like. That was kind
of how it was presented, like, oh, yeah, well, you know,
Trevor's gonna you know, but he knew otherwise. I don't know.
I don't think he did. I don't think he I
don't think he did because I think for a while
they wasn't sure who's gonna be, and then they decided
(01:29:19):
before they decided trup. That's what I know. I never
really talked to Trevor about it.
Speaker 7 (01:29:24):
TV funny at everybody else's job.
Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Are you looking forward to uh, season forty or is
it forty two? Now this is forty this will be
forty four? Jesus christ is Obama?
Speaker 10 (01:29:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
Wow, you're right, dude, are you? Are you looking forward
to it? Or is it like I am Obama? Ye?
Speaker 7 (01:29:46):
Or Michael?
Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
I think that I think that this one's gonna be
a fun one, honestly, because I feel like everybody's kind
of hawking out. I think like Kate McKinnon's is a superstar,
Leslie's you know, star, and I think I think like
this is going to be like a fun season where
everybody kind of starts to I think, like, it's not
(01:30:08):
as Trump heavy anymore. How do you do that? I
don't think it will be ill, do you? Yeah? Do you?
Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
I mean not that if you expect impeachment action or whatever. Midterms.
I have faith that something will happen in the midterms.
You know, something will happen.
Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
Either more collusion or the House will I don't think
they got him. You don't think they got him yet.
Speaker 10 (01:30:38):
I don't think they got him.
Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
But it's almost weird because it's like you when you're
about like to U see two dudes about the fight,
and they say, like, the dude that's taking off the
most clothes don't want to fight. Yeah, I think that's
what my little I don't think they I don't think
they want I don't think they got it.
Speaker 10 (01:30:54):
Well, I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:30:55):
I don't know. It's kind of weird. I'm in the
minority with that. I'll say that, but I just think
they would have did it by that well. As a
black person, I gotta have faith in something. Man impossible.
How long? But how long isay? I'm not the biggest history,
but how long did Watergate take?
Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
How long was that not this long nine months because
basically Democrats have the house, Like if we just get
the house, this nightmare couldn't you know, But we don't
have the house we need.
Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
We need five.
Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
So but it's I'm just saying that either way, like
if if he continues, that's technically.
Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
Good for you per se if Trump continues, I mean,
because I feel this is like SNL what the cultural No,
we could say that no one.
Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
But the thing is is that you guys are more
you guys are more digestible. Like for me, we can
Update is actually a news program now because that scares me.
Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
I know, I know, I watched real News seriously, it's yeah,
it's no, No, nomics are more the way I present
it is in a way that's more digestible. I mean,
you don't.
Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Realize that every every diatribe that you do on weekend
up date winds up being a heavily passed around.
Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
Yeah, but I understand it on on that on that front,
but I'm saying there's stuff I feel like we could
do on week and Update that isn't necessarily Trump. That's
way more important. Like I watched like the real Estate
that Oliver has. I watched the real Estate that even
Trevor has, but I mean they do. He does this
show every day, so it's a little bit less fair
to say to compare it. But you know, like there's
(01:32:42):
there's a lot of important ship that we could be
talking about that this motherfucker right, and it's like, really,
I got to talk about his wife now, God, talk
about it.
Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
I don't think it's even Trump specific, but I feel
that the domino effect of like we definitely would not
have me too if it weren't for the Trump administration
that I feel. I don't feel there's a lot of things. Yes,
I agree with you, I.
Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
Don't think so. I mean, because it would have happened
during the Obama.
Speaker 8 (01:33:15):
Because remember what happened on inauguration Day, a women's march.
Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
Yeah, against everything, like whatever he stands for.
Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Then it's like we're gonna sort of seek it out
and everyone else other than him and make them pay for.
Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
What he represents. We can't get him out of the paint.
Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Yeah, So even if you don't have to talk about
him specifically, I mean, we're you're gonna talk about immigration,
which is a result of him.
Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
You're going to talk about me too.
Speaker 8 (01:33:40):
He's right, everything even the banks and getting the access
to our Facebook.
Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
That's his fault.
Speaker 7 (01:33:44):
I'm gonna blame him.
Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
Yeah, you're gonna have Zuckerberg jokes. And the way the
Way Update the Way Update is delegated. It's you know,
it's about four minutes and then a three minute future
and then you know what I mean, three minutes and
then maybe a three minute feature and you know, so
it's like the real estate that we have to be
(01:34:07):
able to talk about, and then it's between two people,
so you cut that. It's like it's almost like like income.
You gotta cut that in happening, you know what I mean.
So you get two minutes? Are you pretty much? I
pretty much get four minutes to talk about everything I
want to talk about in the week, and some of
it has to be trumped. So it's like, how do
you not talk? Like if didn't? Motherfucker is tweeting Saturday morning,
(01:34:30):
what's Saturday afternoon? Which happens. I can almost set my
clock to this. Motherfucker. He tweets Saturday at like eight
in the morning, between anywhere between seven and eleven in
the morning. I gotta look at it. We gotta relook
at all of the jokes that we have figure out,
all right, well, what development is this more important than this?
What do we have to so like we have all
(01:34:51):
our jokes on the table, we be we gotta lift ship,
all right, this is this is not even important anymore.
This feels weird to say this. By the time, you know,
at midnight, this is gonna be old news. So it's
just exhausting. But not even so much update specific. I
just mean show wise. I think that people have seen
(01:35:12):
the impression. People have seen us go through, they've seen
us color it. There's not so I feel like this
is gonna be a year where we maybe take it
to the next level of just creatively of different things
that's possible with our cast, and not let this motherfucker dominate.
Speaker 7 (01:35:28):
Maybe you take the lead and the news will follow.
Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
That's what I mean. You know, it's not just me.
Speaker 10 (01:35:33):
It's not up to me.
Speaker 8 (01:35:34):
It's also but I mean as a show, like because
the news is doing the same thing that you're saying
y'all trying to stay away from, like MSNBC, CNN, it's
all the same all the time.
Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
His name so yeah, and he knows and he's he's
playing it like an instrument. Man. He knows he knows
exactly when to say some crazy shit about Lebron, you
know exactly. Yeah, he knows when, he knows when to dominate.
Motherfucker knows how to control the news source. And everybody's
guilty because we all, I think it's interesting. We all
want the clout, you know, like we all want to
(01:36:03):
have the witty, perfect thing to say about what he's saying.
And it's just like, dude, you don't realize you're playing along.
You know, you're really just you don't get it.
Speaker 8 (01:36:14):
The Hollywood star fame people, they already took the lead.
They said, just take it away, so it won't be
no debate, no argument has gone good.
Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
Wait, so, speaking of distraction, in wrapping up this episode.
Speaker 10 (01:36:28):
This was fun as hell. By Yeah, this is thanks
for letting me come up here.
Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
You're welcome. I have to say, uh, dude, you have
to make more Willie. You don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Look, I have three YouTube mixes on my private YouTube page.
Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
One's all Michael, one's all Soul Trained. The other is Willie.
Who was Willy? Who Willy?
Speaker 7 (01:37:03):
Is this this?
Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
I'm probably no, No, it's it's funny ship.
Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
It's it's a character that Michael's written written for Keenan Thompson.
Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
Yeah, how he's the most optimistic. He's the most optimistic guy.
I know, he's my neighbor. He always sees the bright
side of everything. But he just has the worst life ever.
So it's really sad he's been involved with. It's really familiar,
like you know, he is the worst luck on the
worst luck on nerve and uh, he's always trying to
(01:37:39):
cheer me up and he just keeps using an example. Wait, Will,
he's based on a real person. No, Will, he's not
based on a real person. I think I had an
uncle Delmore who was sort of like that.
Speaker 10 (01:37:52):
And this is this is a week enough. He's an
updated character.
Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
The punchline is always like he'll say, hey, it's like
they always say, and he'll come up with an idiom,
but he doesn't realize. He doesn't realized that. You know.
It's like they always say, hey, Willy, what did I
tell you about coming in I'm your mama? That I
like the y'all did it was what the weekend up there?
(01:38:19):
The one it was only one that got cut that
was like way too rough? Will Willie where he goes? Uh,
It's like I told Martin Luther king you can smoke outside.
They like you can't do that. The line where where
(01:38:41):
is the line? I mean, why is that? And that
one oh Man, we for Willy Well, I don't know Willy.
We had him say some wow ship where they're afraid
of like kickback from black. I think Keenan was like,
I don't want to do that, but that's Willing. He
can smoke on the boundary about any that's That was
(01:39:03):
like the craziest one where we were like, I don't know.
We had him uh a graduation one where he was like,
it's like my class told me when I left the school,
you locked us in with the shooter wheel.
Speaker 10 (01:39:19):
It's just like, yeah, yeah, every time I do it,
y'all will do anymore?
Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
What up with that? Is that? The thing about what
with that is Jason he's not there anymore and Fred's
not there, so it's hard to do and Bill Bill Hayter,
who does does It's not so like they're all gone.
So I think the last time they did that was
that's Tucker Man, look at you, your ban Tooker fan.
(01:39:47):
You don't even know.
Speaker 8 (01:39:48):
I didn't even know he's black. He's a little black
and black I'm not to meet him like black girls.
Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
That's not the way. They stopped there, they stopped, they
stopped there. Look get your you're right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
We're supposed to blind date you and all that stuff
like I got now. Okay, well we'll see how it
works in five months, in time for Valentine's Day.
Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
How's your things going with your boot quest? Love? Still
my Yeah, I'm still bowed up.
Speaker 7 (01:40:23):
We're taking we're still winning.
Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
Second, I love your code talk, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
of course is very shocked that I'm dating a black woman.
Speaker 8 (01:40:35):
I've been dating pat her Head too, like like one
of the ones that pat her Head and get bread.
Speaker 4 (01:40:42):
Yes, we're going to Hawaii.
Speaker 7 (01:40:44):
Okaye, we said, what's up?
Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
Yes, I will tell Shep. You said, hello, oh ship Hawaii.
I've never been to Hawaiian You gotta go, you.
Speaker 7 (01:40:51):
Got to go.
Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
I've never been on a vacation.
Speaker 7 (01:40:54):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
I will introduce you to Sheep Gordon, who's the you know,
the vacation whisper.
Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
Okay, oh yeah, I would. I would love that you've
been on an Actually, you've never been on a vacation.
I've never been on a plane that wasn't like for
a work since you started doing this, since I started
doing it. I don't think the first vacation was what
for when that first meet Gordon four or five years ago. Yeah,
I think my first one was tried like twenty fourteen thirteen,
(01:41:22):
I'm on tap New York. My idea for a vacation
that was like to not have to do anything, like
I don't have to pack a bag or I don't
have to be anywhere. Oh you can, I can vacation
at my house if all y'all motherfucker's league like that.
That's exactly right. It's funny, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
You know the group Rockhampton, Yeah, sort of roots Generation
to See or whatever. They they only have one like
one record out, and already they're like taking a vacation
in Hawaii, like working on the new record.
Speaker 7 (01:42:03):
And I'm like, you were shaming the youre mirror as
the Elder Like no, I'm just.
Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
Like, wait, who does that? Like you? But that I
just heard them yesterday for the first time ever. It's
so crazy that you even said they was playing a
song on the bar and I thought it was I
thought it was a j rock song. One of the
guys kind of Ryan fans. Sounds like rock Christian rock.
(01:42:29):
It's weird because when I told them it's like seven niggames. Yeah,
it's like seven or eight of them. They're black and white.
It's like a Benettone ad of Jen.
Speaker 7 (01:42:41):
Reference.
Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
It's just we get it. Well, what's the new benine
ad Mountain Dew commercial? Okay, there no, But what's weird
is that.
Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
What's weird is that who put me onto Mecca from
Diggable Planets like her kids loved them.
Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
So I looked at them and then like we got
them on the show. But the thing was because of
a it's weird. His name is a mirror. Two, they
kind of had a me too moment.
Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Backstage at the show or before, not tonight's show, at
their show, okay, so they had to kick a member out.
And then when they came on our show, it you know,
I'm expecting these seven rambunctious like flying all over the place. Uh,
And they did the most emo depressed like they sat
(01:43:38):
on the floor like a bonfire like with crime millennial
tiers about like and you know, and that was the
jam they did. I used to know they didn't do
the jam. They decided that they pulled the They pulled
the and they called an audible and.
Speaker 4 (01:43:57):
Yeah, I was like, you can have to. You know,
Jimmy's looking at me like, is this a group Jimmy
hit you with? That's your man? Exactly? That your man?
Oh man? Really up brock camp? Was it cool?
Speaker 7 (01:44:12):
People do that?
Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
I want them, Yes, I I want them to come
back and do what I.
Speaker 10 (01:44:27):
Exactly.
Speaker 8 (01:44:28):
You said you more of a music person than you
are watching me. Of course you're watch I love music well,
because music I'm in, I'm in. I don't know how
it works. Well, comedy I know how it works, so
it's not that interesting.
Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
It's the same.
Speaker 10 (01:44:38):
But music, I'm like, I'm blown away.
Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
By that rocking lately listening, oh man, I don't like
new stuff.
Speaker 10 (01:44:45):
They don't have to be making music for me.
Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
Like what's your era? And that's like, are you like
Man Midnight, your Neptune Switsch beat era?
Speaker 10 (01:44:56):
That's my era technically, but I like the era right
before that. I like the ninety five ninety six.
Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
I like you're aumatic yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what
you know what a gang star is? Okay, you know
what a gang yo? This is? This is bizarre, you know,
Like I was literally that same bottle. I was listening
to Brockhand for the first time. They was playing Guru
jazmatads Wow, and I was like, jazzmatass. It was an
(01:45:24):
Irish bar called Deacon Brodie's and they was playing Guru jazmatas.
Wait where I was like in New York? In New
York and.
Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
Randomly, what's up of you guys going to random bars
because nobody cares about you and an Irish bar, no
one gives a fuck about who you are?
Speaker 4 (01:45:44):
Fine, I'm telling you, they don't bother you. It's anything
collegy or anything young and hip. You gotta wear a
fucking pub Oh they don't. They could care less. They're
playing music, they know who you are, and they're just like,
so what, and you're fine. I love it. That's the
one aspect of thirty rock folklore that I'm kind I'm
(01:46:05):
not mad I missed out on it because I don't
want a habit or anything, but I'm looking for.
Speaker 10 (01:46:12):
Like you do it every day. You can't develop a
habit because.
Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
Able to navigate like they're supposed to be, like Jim Belushi,
you know, messing around with Jane Curtin in the hallway
with heroin and you know.
Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
Like I'm looking for like the rock stars. Yeah, like
that era that she can't exist Normal everyone's at.
Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
Whole Foods and you know, yeah, everybody's giant salad Amazon.
Speaker 6 (01:46:41):
Steve is like Steve is throwing me under the bus
again just to end the episode in a way that
you're going to feel happy about yourself.
Speaker 10 (01:46:49):
Yeah, Steve, I am, I have a.
Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
Question for you. Okay, just circling back here to weekend update. Okay,
I mentioned Seth as your ghost. Who's your all time favorite? Normal? Norm?
I love Norm only because Norm knew it was funny,
even if the audience did. And I love that freedom
(01:47:13):
that Norm. And like he he would tell a joke
like straight down the back. He wouldn't budge and it
would get almost like worse than nothing. He was, but
he didn't care. Like at home watching it, it was hysterical.
That's another thing that we had to that you have
to learn at the show is you're playing the studio
and then you're playing the camera as well. It cuts through,
(01:47:37):
something could kill in the room and nobody at homes
laughing like it's a different it's a it's a weird
kind of dynamic that you have just learning doing norm
was kind of the master of it. He knew what
was funny, even if the audience. He wouldn't even do
a dress rehearsal something. He wouldn't do a run through jokes.
He wouldn't run through his jokes to let you know,
like what you he couldn't say. He would just do
it for the audience, kind of the way stand ups do.
(01:48:00):
That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
It's a small suggestion. One of the things about watching
the show in the studio is the volume is so low, yes.
Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
Because we're not we're miked for the camera, we're not
for the crowd, right, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
It's almost like you're like hearing your natural voice, but
from like one hundred and twenty feet away, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:48:25):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
Like some shows that I've seen in person, I'll be like,
I'm all right, and then I'll go home and watch
it the next night or yeah, DVR or whatever. I'm like, Yo,
that was hilarious, And I'm realizing that shows SNL is
definitely more hilarious on television than it is.
Speaker 8 (01:48:44):
Plus in the audience, you're sitting really far back, so
you can't see your face, your facial expressions and when
we can update.
Speaker 7 (01:48:50):
Sometimes I didn't know it only went once. I'm sorry,
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
They have TVs where you can kind of see a
little bit better butt, but it is. It's true though,
sometimes even if you have the monitor, sometimes you're just
trying to watch it happen live and you can't really
get there.
Speaker 7 (01:49:05):
If I watched the monitor sitting down.
Speaker 10 (01:49:08):
Yeah that's true. But yeah, good point the whole I.
Speaker 8 (01:49:11):
Feel the concert. Sometimes if you that far away, your
eye is always on a monitor.
Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
What am I doing here about stories? That's why don't
like going to football games. I go to the football
game and I'm the Dumbo tron. I'm like, I could
just be comfortable. I don't have to be next to
two races.
Speaker 10 (01:49:27):
I really done. I could do this at home now.
Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
The fun, or at least for you, like the fun
of SNL, is just the experience of like the first
the first episode, in the last episode is usually when
the Benders part happens, like it's dress versal. What a
thirty ten thirty, and then the show is eleven thirty
to one, and usually the sad rejects go up to
(01:49:52):
seventeen and get sloshed until about one thirty and then
the after after parties from one thirty t about three
thirty or four.
Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
That's another thing now that the Lonely Island is left,
like there's no one. They came and disrupted the after
party system.
Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
Whereas they started throwing their own after parties, and then
there was like the cool kids'll call it, that's the
rap group name they you know, like when you see
like SNL comedy video diox, Like.
Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
They really brought the viral video.
Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
Damn, near invented it because Sunday was the viral video,
so they invented the viral video.
Speaker 4 (01:50:38):
So but they would have their own cool.
Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
Kids parties versus the teamsters and the other people that
can't play their games.
Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
But then when they left, no one was feeling that void,
like you should be should it just be one party?
I feel like you and Pete, we need to throw
your own. Actually, your birthday party was lit. It was fun. Yeah,
but that was the last. That was the last party. Yeah, yeah,
we hung out, but I just don't I don't go.
I don't even go to the parties. You have responsibilities.
(01:51:10):
And it's not even so much that like you, it's
you're so exhausted after a show, like just mentally exhausted,
and then you're around all these mentally exhausted I don't
want to be around them, not even like at a
this but just.
Speaker 10 (01:51:24):
Like everybody just wants to talk about the show.
Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
It's like you've done this and you've been waiting for
so long for this ship to be over, and then
now somebody wants to talk to them about it, and
you're like, I want to go home and enjoy my Sunday.
I would say, so Sunday is that you're really your
only day to Sunday is your one day, and I
would you would lose your Sunday because Yo, when they
drink at the after after part, they drink to like
eight nine t morn. You might come home at one afternoon. Yeah,
(01:51:51):
it's literally all frigging So the Sunday you're just sleep
the entire day and then next thing, you know, your
Monday Monday. So you have time for I can well,
I mean everybody's got ten minutes. Wait, why would you wait?
Wait that was a great wait over fifteen minutes if
your mark literally the show on that note, Michael Jay,
(01:52:15):
I thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Wait the fact I was really proud of the fact
that this was going to be an effect free show,
that Michael was going.
Speaker 8 (01:52:26):
To be our I wanted to get to the bottom
of that, because you know, Michael j woe black man,
he's single, and you got to get to the.
Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
Bottom of excuse me, mi one, nothing I am and
so are you. You're into that, right, Michael.
Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
I thank you very much for coming to our show.
It's so much fun. Thank you, thank you, and good
good luck on your future endeavors.
Speaker 7 (01:52:51):
And can you say I love black women.
Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
I'm just love black women.
Speaker 7 (01:52:53):
There we go, black listen.
Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
I just wanted this is why you were talking to
anyway on be aut Sugar Steve Face. Hey Bill, I'm
very sorry the other Bill was up. All right, I'll
see you all in the next go around. M h
(01:53:24):
of course.
Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
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