Reverend Al Sharpton

This episode of Questlove Supreme is the perfect way to end Black History Month and continue the conversation. At 4 years old Reverend Al Sharpton knew what his mission would be in life and so his journey began as a great orator, warrior and leader in the plight of justice and equality for Black people. Listen as Reverend Al shares his story with Quest and Team Supreme and find out how music was pivotal in framing his story. Class is in session!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Question. Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio.
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What's going on? Real's happening? All right? I know you
got limited times that I want to start to clock

(00:21):
it immediately because we got a trillion questions. Ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to another episode of Course Love Supreme, Course Love.
We get here, able to Supreme? Uh, Sugar, Steve in
the house. Hello, how how are you? Congratulations on Sundance Hello,
Revern now Hello there that's right, revn now also the

(00:43):
star of Summer Soul I forgot uh congratulations, but power
to the people. The people got the powers here? Yeah? Absolutely, Uh,
how are here? I'm fantastic. Let's do it. Fontacolo from
North Cathlac Yeah, yes, indeed, yes, he was called the

(01:06):
North Carolina. No one calls it. No one says Nobody.
Nobody says New York City either. Yeah. It's like people
saying Philip Dale or Illo Fresh or phil whatever. It's
just no one says North Calata, nor callin sho No okay, noted.

(01:28):
Uh people, we cannot call North Carolina North cacalac alright,
so our gyesterday? Um, how shall I say, our guest
today is is cut from a a rare cloth, the
cloth of justice. UM. He's a gentleman who at the
ripe age of four I knew what his calling was.

(01:51):
I believe that. UM. At the age of four, my
parents allowed me to watch Soul train unschaperooned, so that
give me some comparisons. Anyway, he was practically baptized in
the civil rights movement. UM appointed as leader of the
youth movement from the one and only Jesse Jackson's operation

(02:12):
bread Basket m arc yesterday is literally black Ghostbusters the person,
the person whom you call when it's time to put wheels,
when tripping into bringing attention to justice name it. He's there,

(02:33):
literally on the front lines, the always exciting, never loss
of words or the right words, always there on the
front lines. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to quest Left Supreme.
The one and only Reverend Al Sharkton. Yes, how are
you today? How are you today? I'm doing good, I'm

(02:54):
doing very well. And congratulations on uh some soul. You
really a masterpiece and now wow, I appreciate that, but
I gotta ask you, and I'm a self admitted former
reluctant leader how how hard is it to still want

(03:15):
to lead and be on the front lines and always
have the answers, because there's many a day where I mean,
my version of leading is more like it make it
or having a lunch with somebody, but you know, not
not to your level, but still like, once you decide
that that's the path that your life is on, you

(03:38):
gotta see it through. And what what makes you get
out of bed every morning to to fulfill this role?
I think that I'll put it this way. Michael Brown,
who was killed by police and Triggerson's mother spoke one
night and she said something that clicked with me. She
said that Mark Twain and you gotta remember when the

(03:59):
middle of this whole battle and Ferguson and for the
mother of a victim to quote Mark Twain was like,
what what is she getting ready to do? And she said,
Mark Twain said something that she never forgot. She said,
the two most important moments in your life is the
moment you're born in the moment you find out why
you were born. And that's what clicks with me. I

(04:21):
believe I was born to do what I do. I've
been doing it since I was four. Like you said,
I started preaching as a kid, and across the church
I became Jesse and Bill Jones youth directed twelve. So
I don't know nothing else. And even as I got
older and got around James Brown and others and entertainment,
I kept going back to activism. James Brown would say

(04:43):
he can't make a living doing that, He'll be back
out here, and I wouldn't go back because that's where
my comfort zone was. And as you have developed into
a leader, you can drop the reluctant. You do it
questioning yourself, but you do it because you can't do
anything else because that has become you, and people look

(05:04):
for you to do that. And what you are ambiguous about.
That ambiguity is what attracts people because they know you
don't have an agenda. You're doing it from your heart. Wow, okay,
I gotta take that. So there's never time where you
feel like you know where you're in a situation and
you don't know the right words to say or Okay,

(05:28):
there there's a moment. Let me back up. So there's
a there's a moment that um President Obama told me
about and which he knew that he was going to
do that the funeral service for in South Carolina church. Yeah,
in Charleston. He knew he was going to do that service,

(05:52):
and with with a good eight day lead. He knew that,
you know, he had that. He he crafted the the
perfect speech that he felt that was gonna fit the tone.
And he said, like three minutes into that speech, he
knew that wasn't the tone and he didn't know what
to do, and he just like took a breath and

(06:13):
something said just start singing amazing grace. And it was
a risk for him, but he did it and it
opened the people up. So I'm just saying, like in leading,
some oftentimes you have to think on your feet in
real time. How how how does that come to you?

(06:34):
I think I come from a place where, like we
we now have to watch our words, and I don't
want to get canceled. I don't want to say the
wrong thing. So you know, often get caught in my
head and and and leading because you don't want to
say the wrong thing because of the repercussions. But how
do how do you get over that? I think you
go with the flow and the energy, and no matter

(06:55):
how much you plan, and all of us are worried
about if I say this wrong, Am I gonna hurt
the cause? Am I gonna hurt the family I'm representing,
I hurt the organization. But then you getting an energy
and you just flow. I'll give you an example. Uh,
and and and or President Obama told me the same
serve about amazing grace. I was in the audience that day.
It worked, and I didn't know that he didn't plan.

(07:19):
But when I walked on the pulpit to preach George
Floyd's funeral, I had no plans of doing that whole
thing of get your knee off our neck. It just
came as I was speaking, and I just went with it,
and it worked, and I just kept doing it. Then,
and I think that you got to be disciplined enough

(07:39):
to put some borders on yourself in your own mind,
but then free enough to say, I'm gonna pressed as
far as I can inside these borders and let it float. Uh.
The advantage I had as starting as a board preacher.
The disadvantage is before I could read right well, I
was preaching the advantages. I never learned how to use

(08:01):
a manuscript, so I can't speak from a manuscript. That's
why when I started my MSNBC show. Hardest thing in
the world for me was to speak with a telepromt
because I never read a sermon. I'm like, I'm messing up.
I never, I never. I never used a manuscript until
I started on MSNBC. I was fifty seven years old

(08:22):
learning how to speaking and read at the same time.
So you're saying you're freestyling, you saying you freestyle for
it was freestyling before y'all calling freestyle style. I was
freestyling when we were still saying north Kerkalaki. Do you

(08:43):
remember what you spoke about when you were four? Yeah?
What was your parents reaction to this? Like or whoever
was in charge of you speaking? How do they know
that this four year old had the the gumption are
the right words to lead? We add in church what
they called the Junior usher Board. That's the kids that
would hand out their little programs and help see people.

(09:05):
It was a cute little thing to keep kids involved.
Once a year they'd have the uh Junior usher Board Anniversary.
So the adult supervisor said, what do y'all want to
do at the anniversary? And it was about ten of us.
One of them was a guy who ended up being
a pretty big singer, Ronnie Dyson. He was about Yeah,

(09:26):
Ronnie Dyson did Aquarius and here he was a kid
with me and Washington the Temple of Church in Brooken.
He said that he wanted to read a poem. Uh
my sister wanted to stay. I said, I want to preach.
So everybody laughed. The dolly Bosa let him preach. Maybe
God's gonna use them because this is a pentecost the church,

(09:47):
and uh my mother said, I prayed that God would
use myself. My father said, oh, this is crazy, but
they let me preaching. I preaching the anniversary about nine
people that they put me on a box because he
couldn't see me up on the roster them and I
preached from St. John's fourteenth chapter, Let Not Your Heart
Be Trouble. And I've been preaching ever since. By the

(10:09):
time I was seven, I was doing the Youth Days
and other churches. By the time I was nine, they
did the World's Fan in New York and they put
me up to preach before Maya Jackson. That's why I
loved a soul summer so because I end up doing
two or three cities with me heya, and the rest
was history. That's how jest seeing them heard of me.
I was called the wonderboard preaching. Wow, okay, So how

(10:29):
would you figure out what your sermons was gonna be? Just?
I would listen to older ministers because we I grew
up in Pentecostal church. Weave in church all the time,
and I would in many ways just preach back what
I heard out of memory and uh, and I could
put the sermons together in my head. Wow. Do you
do you have any even like the recordings of of

(10:50):
your your sermons as a kid. Do you have you kept?
I have one when I was nine. When I was nine,
they did a forty five record me preaching. And this
guy that was a radio guy at the time, Doc Wheeler,
made a record. I have that, a little forty five
record of me. And I was doing more, you know,
going back to what I heard other preachers did. And

(11:11):
then you go through the hollid and the shout and uh.
Because you was cute, you got away with it. When
you got older you had to say something. You can
get away with a lot when you're can you, okay,
can you explain to me. I know that you're a
Pentecostal preacher, but what are the exact what what are

(11:31):
the difference between or you know the various because I
just saw like Southern preaching was one thing. Yeah, well
I was a raised by Southern parents though I was
born raised in Brooklyn, Kachack, which I grew up until
I was like, uh fourteen than I want Baptists coach.

(11:52):
It was more grassroots, uh what James would call gut bucket.
We would do the singing and the shout and then
the Hallelujah dance. Baptist was a little more refined. Uh.
And Methodists was even more refined. It was it's a
matter of style. It's a matter of music. Like uh,

(12:12):
I remember when in some big Baptist churches when I
was growing up, you wouldn't have drums in the trail
that you wouldn't have quiets that would sing emotional songs. Uh.
So when I would go to Baptist churches and Methodist
church didn't be singing anthems, We didn't do that all
about stuff with Shirley Caesar kind of singing. And then
you got more refined with the Baptist So it's more

(12:33):
cultural and class. Grassroots people were more the Pentecostals and
uh as I grew up and then gotten the civil
rights movement. I was twelve. They were all Baptists, and
then I later became that I would read baptize the
Baptist and they were a little more learned. We were
all spirit and that's probably probably why I gravitated so

(12:56):
to James, because James was a secular version of the
whole roller mean with James do wasn't much different than
we're doing the Quiet and Holiness Church. Okay, where were
your parents from? You said they were from the South.
Mothers from Dothan, Alabama. She passed. My father was from
you father Alabama. Neither one of them is on the map.

(13:18):
Wait what do don't do this? Don'tabama? You follow you
fall a flawed? I love that name? You follow? You
follow follow you? Probably Alabama? Okay, Okay. As a musician,
I do want to know, like right now as a
record collector, um kind of or my my, my seventies

(13:42):
gospel kick right now, And I'm noticing that it's very
hard to find rare to find like gospel records that
have like a certain groove to it or a certain
soul to it. And I realized that a lot of
it is that you know, they thought it was sinful
or whatever, but you know, knowing that you're cut from
the cloth of the James Brown Chadow if you will.

(14:06):
How I mean, how hard was it for kind of
secular sounding music to finally break through to the Black
church where it wasn't considered simple or that sort of thing.
Because even when I was drumming in church, like if
I started playing too good, I would get looks from

(14:27):
like the elders, like you're playing that rap music. I
know that you're playing run DMC right now, like that
sort of thing. Like how it was hot. I remember
that in the early days of the sixties when I
was still like eight or nine and Sam Cook left
the church because Sam Cook started with a with a

(14:50):
gospel group and he left and started singing secular. They said, oh,
he backslid, He's going to hell. And little Richard would
go in and out, and after a while people would
be in and out. Ronnie was in and out Ronnie Dison,
And after while people started getting comfortable that it was
all right. It became all right because those was that

(15:12):
was kids got old and we didn't see the difference.
But it was a lot of tension. You're right if you.
If I would go to a political rally when I
was twelve, I had vacculate you in the world. You
were supposed to deal with going to heaven, nothing on earth.
So it was the same in the music, it was
same in our social life. But this was the era
where Dr King had got killed. It was a Black

(15:33):
power era. I was still thirteen years old, and I
wanted to be with my contemporaries, and we were activists,
and and many of them didn't stay in activism like
I did. But that was the time where everybody was
a member of something. You were either with us with
Dr King, or you were with the Panthers, which were
or more militant, or you joined the Nation has Alarm.

(15:55):
But everybody in New York was something. And your whole
life was around what you remember of you who, what
girls you dated was based on uh what what silo
you were in and UH And the church became had
to make adjustments to that because people started changing. When
I was first out in the Pentecostal church, it was

(16:15):
a sin for women to wear lipstick or pants. And
I remember we went to Detroit. Yeah, I remember we
went to Detroit to uh speak of a youth convention,
and I saw my bishop's wife come out of the
motel with some slacks on, and I called my mother
collect and said, Madam Washington's going to hell, she's wearing pants.

(16:40):
My mother got mad at me for calling her collector
to that. Okay, So as of this recording, we're a
few days ahead of uh, the passing of the infamous

(17:05):
uh Danny Ray James Brown's uh. Now sim see his
his his his, uh, I guess you could say his, uh,
his mouthpiece his Paul Revere, can you talk? When's the
when's the first time you met James Brown? And what
was that like? All right? When we when we were

(17:26):
growing up? When I started, uh growing up. I was
born in Brooklyn, Like I said, my father had a
successful business and he bought a house in Hollis, Queens.
At that time, we thought Queen's Hollis was like the suburbs.
And uh, James Brown had a big match in St Aupans,
and all the kids in the neighborhood Golden stand outside

(17:49):
the gate on the see James Brown. So he was
my hero. My father did his hand like James Brown,
and but I never met him. So fast forward, I'm
now known as a teenage preacher. And Uh, I had
a youth movement that you mentioned, h quest Love, and

(18:09):
a kid came and joined the youth movement the same
age as me, and UH. He said he was from
the South. He came to New York. He wanted to
go to Columbia to go to law school, and UH
he joined my youth group. His name was Teddy. He
ended up being James Brown Sun And about seven months
after UH he was in our youth group trying to

(18:29):
get in law school, he got killed in a car
accident and all he was driving with some friends and
Teddy got killed. James was having problems then because he
had endoged. This is seventy three. I'm eighteen now and
he had endorsed the year before Richard Nixon for president,
and a lot of the brothers was mad at him

(18:51):
for going with Nixon. He was a seller at all
and they picked it. And when he was at the
Apollo in seventy two, when Teddy got hill the next year,
he came to New York about Teddy and UH. The
lead This jockey in New York at that time was
Hank span On. W w R L A M just
before FM and and Hank span told him, he said,

(19:15):
if you want to do something, uh, in memory of
your son this your son joined this no youth group
with this young preacher, you should do something for them.
And nobody would pick it to you because everybody likes
this little kid running around being a the rights guy.
And they set up for me to meet James Brown
at his office on sevent Broadway, and I went in.

(19:36):
I'm meeting God. That's why I told you the whole
background of I started at his gate and James Brown
looked at me and he looked me up and down,
and he started talking and you had no idea what
he was talking about it and he's gonna do well,
you know, if you do what I do, I'm gonna
do whatever and all of that, and uh, finally he

(19:58):
shook my hand, which was dismissing me. So when we
got outside, I totally, you know, youth with me. I
think he said, he's gonna do the show. So he
told me what to do, how to pass out the flies,
how to promote. Hank Spam pumped it up and we
did it at the r KO albeit Theater downtown Brooklyn,
which is now then Albi Square Mall. But it used
to be a theater there and they had about two

(20:21):
thousand seats and two shows was gonna sell out four
thousand seats. Now I didn't know they had picked the
James Brown and I didn't know that they were worried
about what was gonna happen. I went out and did
everything he said. And he pulls up that night and
UH in seventy three in the limousine and he jumps
out of the limousine and the driveway behind your backstage

(20:43):
and he looks at his manager, Mr Bobba, because bob
it how they do. Mr Bobba said, they sold every
ticket out and there's about five of the people outside.
He said what he said? Yeah, and he told me
you come with me, son, And I walked behind Jane
Brown in the building and he went and uh combed
his head out and he's talking and again I don't

(21:04):
know what he's saying, and he uh getting ready to
go on stage. Then he raised introducing him to bandit Hit.
People are screaming and he walks on the stage in
the wings at my show. Now mine eighteen years old
was Miles Davis. And Miles had come to see James performed,
and I'm standing there between James Brown and Miles Davis,

(21:25):
and I thought I had died and went down. In
the middle of this show. James stopped the music. I
think he had done trying me or something that was slow,
and he stopped and told the band hut, and they stopped,
and he called me out. He said, I want to
bring out this young man who made the night happen.
His youth movement y'all help. My son was a part

(21:46):
and I wanted him to lead us in praying memory
of my son. So I'm like nervous. I'm used to
every pulpy, but I've never been on the show business stage.
I walked out to the mic and I looked at
him and he said, pray, go on and pray. You
know how to pray, don't you. And I started his
prayer and uh. And when I came off, Uh. James
Brown sent for me in the dressing room after the show,

(22:08):
and he was sitting on the head drive because he
would always have this hap until he died. After every show,
he rolled his hand back up and uh. And I
start talking to him and I'm trying to, you know,
communicate with him and he's like the head drive making
all this noise. He kept high. What you're saying? Hi?
And he finally said to me, I'll be back in

(22:28):
New York in two or three weeks. I'm gonna play
in your career. And I met him in his office
and he said, uh, I'm gonna take you with me
to California. I said to California. He said yeah, and
uh we went to California. He took me with him
to do Soul Train and he said to Don Mr Canneius,
he said, I want you me this young man, he's
a teenager. I want him to give me an award

(22:50):
on Soul Train. By then he had the big paper
back out and uh and uh he said. Doncannor said,
we don't do awards on this show. And he said,
let's Caneius. Do you know how the thing payback? And
he said, don't you do that. Here you go singing
unless you let this kid give me this award. And
I went on and I went on Soul Tray gave

(23:13):
Jay Brown this award. I was the biggest guy a
Brooklyn did because now all the girls that wouldn't give
me a date because who wants his day of preaching
debate me because I was on soul tray with Jed Brown,
and I became in many ways like Teddy because I
was the same maze, ambitious. I reminded him of his
son he lost, and he became the father that I

(23:34):
didn't have because my father left us when I was
about twelve. And we're back, moved back to Brooklyn. We're
in the projects, mother and welfare, and James started taking
me around the world and he kept saying, I want
you to stay in the ministry. I promise your mother
you would lead a church. He'd sent me home for
me to preach and do my youth work, sent back
for me, and he became like a father figure to me. Wow. Wow,

(23:57):
that's an incredible story. And I wouldn't know how you
got on. Now I get it, I get it. So
when did I'm just curious. I know you guys had
the father relationship, but you politically you were growing and
you were growing further and further apart. So did you
just how did that work? Did y'all have conversation? Did
you not feel like we we would argue James Brown

(24:20):
was a very conservative guy and to the right of
the right and from gust to Georgia. He was a
southern conservative guy and and he didn't believe in not
but he used to always said to me, I don't
know what you're doing all that marching. Jane Brown always
had one or two guns with him, and he was

(24:42):
a regular country guy like that. But we would debate
and argue. But he had just liked him for me,
So he would always explain to his guys, Reverend is
more militant, but that's my son. And he would take
me in these rooms. And as I got known, he
would tell people, you gotta e chep rev. I'm talking
about lot of were the whites, because he takes me

(25:02):
the crossover show I never get. Later in his life,
they gave him the Kennedy Center Award, and uh he
had made them have me write the line of notes
in the program. And when I got there that night
to the Kennedy Center, it was George Bush was president.
He was in you know the President's uh whatever they
call that where you sit up in the booth and

(25:25):
and uh next to him the box they called the
Presidentary box. Next to them was cold and powe and
then there was the guest and James Brown said, give
revernd the box. So these people all neverous, said Mr Brown,
he being honest. Calvin and him, they always do five
to Mr Brown, Reverend Shopton's running for president under Democrats

(25:46):
against Mr Bush. We can't do that, he says, You're
gonna do it tonight. And I'm sitting up there in
the box. Now Bush and Bushes two or three people down.
So when the intermate, we're all go in this little
VP area. Only the President could go and honor reads
and their guests and I come in and it's how

(26:07):
James Brown what Jay Brown stood there and looked at me.
President staid over there, and Mr Bush and George Bush
coub's over, he says. Mr Brown, honor the happy with
us tonight. He says, look, yeah, I know you and
the Reven got you'all differences, but his music today differences.
I'm calling this that James Brown none of that bad.

(26:29):
And j J. Brown he's gonna tell the president what
are you gonna do? And George Bush and I later
in life would laugh about that. Every time I see
George Bush. He said, did you ever tell anybody about
James Brown and me and you at the at the
Kennedy Show. Can I ask, Okay, so James Brown won't

(26:50):
be the first or the last. I mean, I guess
the paraphrase term is the ragster rist story that has
probably more conservative leanings, even though you know they say
they're other people, but has more conservative leanings and he

(27:11):
just said it out loud. Yeah. Well, the thing is
is that what I noticed about this this uh past election,
we just had the amount of wrappers that were kind
of going down the same path this well, this thing
of like pull yourself up by the bootstraps and you know,
if I do it, you can do it. What what

(27:31):
do you think is the mindset that produces that? I
guess from him it's like I worked hard to get
here and everyone should follow my path. Or is that
like where he was coming from. I think that it's
some of that. A lot of it is that that
I work hard, you can work hard. And some of
that is that they just were afraid it would interfere

(27:55):
where they were trying to go. But the problem that
they had with Jane is as conservatives servative as he
was politically, he had this real streak of black in
him and he refused his music kept in black, and
he wouldn't apologize for blackness. And I think that was
the difference because I would go in places and they

(28:18):
would tell him. Uh. I was with him one night
he wanted to do the Tonight Show and they went
to do the sound check and he did the sound
check like he was at the Apollo, and the guy
told him that, Mr Brown, you're gonna have to water
it down. Our our kind of audience is a little
you know, kind of tell them that. You know they
wouldn't it's too hard hit and I'll never get And

(28:39):
this is why I loved James Brown despite his politics,
and and I love me because he was like a father.
He looked at the guy he said, if you wanted
Sammy David, you should have booked him. He said, you're
gonna get James Brown. And that's what and that's really
in many ways what he would put in me. He said,
I want you to be your own him style. He said,

(29:01):
whatever you do. We used to ride around. He had
about thirty two thirty three cars that is a state
and we'd always be riding around one of his cause,
I think one of the reason, like he had a kids,
but a lot of his kids didn't hang around him.
His daughters were still very young, and I used to
want to hear all the stories and all advices because
he talked incessantly. And his other sons that were, you know,

(29:24):
younger than tell me, but my almost my age didn't.
They wanted to get away. They didn't want the elections.
I wanted all of it. And we just ride around
in the dark because there wasn't those street lights in
the woods where James Brown's state is, and he would
be talking to me. I remember me stopped one night
and he said to me, and I wouldn't have more
than one. Then he's a revvant because everybody was surnamed.

(29:45):
He believed in that respect thing. He's a revernant. I
want you to promise me one thing. I said, what's that?
He said, promised me You'll never be one of the boys.
He said. I know you're a preacher, I know your
civil rights, but don't be like none of them. Be different,
he said, I'll always am different. When I do my
first two cards of a song, they know that's James Brown.

(30:05):
Don't nobody sat dound like me. And he pulled up
in a parking lot next to Daddy Grace's church in
Augusta Georgia, and we just sat there and I'm like,
what are we doing here? And uh, after about a
minute or two, he said, you hear that? I said,
hear what he said that, because I don't hear nothing
but they having church inside. He said, listen to that

(30:26):
drum and I listened and I said, yeah. Here, he says,
that's where I learned the sound. They're on the one,
he said. I'm on a one three beat. Everybody else
is on the two fourth beat. Learned how to be
on the one. Set your own beat, he said. And
if you set your own beat, people always remember you
and you do your your own style. And when I

(30:49):
started a lot of activism, in your face kind of activism,
and people said, oh he was too bold. Why am
I marching? And Vincent hurts, why am I doing this?
You can put out a press release and make a statement.
I got that from Ain't Brown. I developed my own style.
I took a lot of flat, but my father figure
told me I had to be different in bold, and
I did that. And he used to laugh, saying, rep

(31:12):
just doing the James Brown and Civil Rights resident don't
know he's doing the raw stuff. He's raw. I remember
we were in this office. I'll tell you this story.
Who's in his office One day in nineteen eighty two,
and uh, I had to come down to visit him,
and uh, he said, I hear you are watching to

(31:33):
try to get Dr King a birthday holiday. I said,
what I said, you tight with the Republicans. Why don't
you see if you can help us out? He said,
I can go to president whenever I want. And he
hit us in the content second pick up House on
the phones about loving clucking the board, and I said
to myself, yeah right, So we're going through the day.

(31:53):
When out got something to eat, come back at four o'clock.
She is in concert the White Houses on the phone,
Mr Brown. I looked at him. I was a little
shot and impressed. He picks up the phone and uh,
he talks to them. Then he hangs up the phone
and he looked at me. He says, January dot King's birthday,
invited me up holiday. They didn't get a holiday, but

(32:18):
they agreed to meet with him that day. I told
they just using you as a showpiece. He said, you're right,
he says, and you're going with me. So I went
back to New York January fourteen. He flew me to
Augusta to fly back to Washington. I kept saying, I
can meet you in Washington. You got to fly with me.

(32:39):
So we're Delta Airlines because his private plane was in
the shop and we're sitting in the playing my plane.
The new anator playing in the shop played the shot.
So we were sitting in first class, his bodyguards and coach.

(33:00):
We were sitting there and he looks at me. When
the plane levels of he said rather, I said, yes, sir,
he's I want you to do me a favor. I said,
what's that? He said, When we're laying we're going by
Bobby Bennett's place. Bobby Bennett was one of the famous
Flames who had stopped singing, but they were still cool.
And uh, I said, oh, Mr Benn, it okay. Because
I met him a couple of times he come out

(33:22):
to some of the show. He said, uh, Mr Bennett,
I want him to h he's gonna tighten up my hair.
I want him to do your hair like mine. I said,
you want to do what he said, I want him
to do your hair like mine. And I said, all
right again, this is my father. My father never aulate nothing.

(33:42):
So I the abandoned son that found a man that
really felt I was worthy of being like him. It
was a real self identity thing. Bobby Bennett did my hair,
and UH became you know. I started wearing the comp
and we went met with Ronald Reagan. When we came
back from the White House, got in the plane, headed

(34:03):
back to Gusta flame levels off again. He's I got
one more favorite rather and I said, what's that? He's
I want you to wear your hair like that as
long as I'm alive. And that's where I got the
hairstyle from. And I never forget years later when he
got in trouble when he was old and went to jail.
He would call me from the jail about three times
a week. And you have to call collect because he's

(34:24):
a prisoner, and he just didn't collect call from the
South Carolina Correction for Facility. What's you're accepted. I'm halfway
not being able to pick bill, but I'd have to
take his call. I take the call. He would never
ask me how my kids work. By then I had
two daughters. Nothing first question was retheran, how's your hair?
Because he was checking to see if I tell you

(34:45):
stuck it and she stuck with it, and that's where
they asked out. And I took a lot of flak
from a lot of the afrocentry brothers. But you sacrificed
for us, like it wouldn't be a father thing. It
was had a father in my life, my father, I didn't.
So how you I just ask you, Rev, since we're

(35:07):
on the hair. You've had this hairstyle for such a
long time. Yes, because it's still beautiful now. Yeah, those
that no, don't say those that say don't know, not
even the grease grease words. I mean, your edges are beautiful.

(35:36):
So whatever it is, what it is with the two
fresh that's that's uh, Rev, I need to know. I
think it's easier now because of social media and the Internet. Okay,
but pre Internet, let's say, uh before seven. I mean

(36:00):
even though the Internet was out there, but it wasn't
as viral. If one needs to contact you for uh
assistance or your presence, how does one do that? And
what is the thought process and the sort of decision

(36:24):
making that you go through before you decide? Yes, I'm
gonna take this one because I can imagine. Actually, let
me start with how many calls do you get? Every
day on an average to take up a cause. Well
before I always sence ninety one had an office, and

(36:48):
I got that from James. James, you said you're not
in business if you don't have office. So I always
had a stay up. Started with two or three. Now
we got offices in seven cities, regional offices and the
no government money, we raise our money and uh, we
have crisis departments that vet out cases. Usually, Uh, a

(37:09):
lawyer will call me because they want me to help publicize.
Like it started it with Vernon Mason would call me
and say, sudden, sudden happened. Uh, kid got killing Howard Beach.
We vetted it it, give us information and I would
go and say we're gonna do a march. We're going
out in the neighborhood. Uh. Now Ben Crunk called me
like he called me when George Floyd family want to

(37:30):
reach it. And you know that's one of the things
that was always crazy to me. They would always say
house shop that just wants publicity. That's why people called
me is they wanted me to blow it up. Nobody
called me to keep a secret. So when we would
we would come in and we would decide that we
thought it was legitimate, and we rallied people around it,

(37:51):
because if you don't create that kind of drama, you
will never create the media. Because it wasn't social media.
So other people said, it's a shame six to kill
his board, Michael Griffith and Howard Beach because he was
black and nobody knew what to do. I said, well,
let's go out there. And they were saying it might

(38:11):
have been a mugg it might have been a love triangle.
I said, if we march, everybody know what it is.
Where do you mean march? I said, we gotta go
out there and dramatized, so I called the march. We
went out there. As we started marching down the street,
maybe about five hundred of us, there must have been
seven eight hundred white stuff coming out calling us the

(38:32):
N words, throwing bananas and everything at us. And I said, now,
everybody understand it's a race thing. Because you bring it out.
I knew if you go in certain sections Benson Nurse's lady,
when you said Harkins, they were gonna make the case
because they're gonna react, and that became on television. You
have to remember I didn't come out of Georgia. Like
dr King or out of Chicago with Jesse. How about

(38:55):
how New York you're competing with Times Square, Statue of Liberty, Empire,
statement Wall Street. New York is used to everything, So
you got to be dramatic to get attention on your cause.
So people said I was flamboyant and vodacious. You had
to be in New York. You can't send out a
press release in New York and get attention. You gotta
do something, and that's what we would do. We would

(39:16):
do things to grab the media attention. The outrageousness of
it made the case which changed the racial profiling laws.
But you had to be able to dramatize. I remember
when we were watching the Vincent Earith when they kill
Usuf Hawkins and they were throwing watermelons at us and
calling us words, and one of them said he's gotta
stabbing me. And I remember I was watching Locked Arms

(39:38):
with use of Hawkins brother, and he said, how you're right,
they're acting crazy. It's gonna be wild on UH on
TV news tonight. They'll know now it was raised to
kill my brother. He said, this is gonna be great.
I said, yeah. We lived at the end of this
watch because they were so crazy even I got di
But but that's what you have to do. You've got

(39:59):
to be able to strategically know how to raise the
drama level and that edge. You got to be real
careful and disciplined about and you got to be ready
to be different. People would not do that. It was
me learning that the actors from James Brown, combining it
what I learned in the King Movement and trying to

(40:20):
bring it up north. So the question that that's interestingly
you say that because one questions I have for you,
because you know, you are a reverend, and you said,
you know that's your calling, but you are you know,
very much a celebrity as well. So how do you
kind of walk that line between you know, your your
ministry and your calling, but also having to be a
public figure and if not an outright entertainer so to speak,

(40:44):
but you know, like you just said, you have to
you know, get people's attention. How how have you walked
that line throughout your career? Because I always am honest
with myself that I'm not an actor, I'm not a
singer and dancer. My celebrity came from my activism, not
my activism from a lot of celebrities try to act
like activists. I do what I believe in and I

(41:07):
won't do it if I don't believe in it. I'm
the kind of person that's very disciplined like that. And
and I remind myself, kid, you've grown up broken home
on welfare in Brooklyn. Uh that only God could have
put me where I am. And he put me there
for a reason. And I don't want to get him
to drop me for forgetting the reason I'm there. When

(41:28):
James Brown and others tried to get me to just
you can drop that, you can do entertainment. No, I
gotta do this. This is what I'm I would have
never known you, Mr Brown. It wasn't forgotten. And I
really believe that. Yeah, when you talk about you know,
doing you know, getting my hind stuff that you believe in. Um,
do you think in any way like the Toronto the
to Wanna Brawley case, did that change I guess the

(41:50):
way you will vet things, uh, you know in your career,
you know, And how did that affect when when the
lawyers called me about Brawley and I was out there
three or four months after you know, they had started
the case, and we're moving. I went on the lawyer's word,
and I believe them, and I believe this girl. Why
wouldn't not. You got people now that that believe when

(42:11):
people say things and win them meet too error. But
I learned from that to vet it more carefully. Uh
so that every but every eye dit and every teams
crossed to the best of your ability. You never know
all the way what's somebody's gonna do. Because a year
after I gotten Brawley, I stood up for five kids
accused of a rape in Central Park that they confessed to.

(42:34):
I ended up right on that one. They said I
was wrong on Brawley. It all happened within the same year.
So you're taking a leap of faith. But I learned
not to take crazy leaps. Try to vet it as
much as you can, and and and be careful, because
you don't want to discredit the movement by getting in
situations that blow up in your face. Like right now

(42:55):
we have three policemen indicting for cal and George Floyd.
We don't know what the jury is gonna do when
they go to trial. We went and and and help
blow up Trayvon Martin Zimmerman gott to quit it, and
some people to say I was wrong on Zimmerman. They
said he was not guilty, but Trayvon his dad. So
you got to be willing to stick in there and

(43:16):
take the bad days with the good, but make sure
your intentions are good and right and that you're as
careful as you could be, which is why I'm not
getting any cases like that since, because I bet it,
even if the lawyer brings it to me, I bet
it as much as I can that. Like I'm a prosecute,
I want to know every angle. My question is, um,

(43:43):
there's just you know, we're going all over the place now.
In two thousand four, when you decide what made you
decide to try to run for president in two thousand
and four, I will look at the fact that uh
in eighty four and eight Jesse had run and had
really move the party more too, towards the left, which

(44:03):
we believe in, and nobody had picked that up. And
I'm looking at the fact that we had just come
out of the war in Iraq and there were people
that had moved the party to the right, if you
remember clintoning them well triangular and they were like almost centrist,
and I wanted to run to get into debates to

(44:24):
bring up racial profile and to bring up police misconduct
and how the war in Iraq was wrong. So I
ran to try to be on the stage to get
a national uh hearing on our issues. UH. And that's
what I did. And in the debates, I would bring
up stuff that nobody would bring up. What they had
to deal with race, they had to deal with policing,

(44:45):
they had to deal with Iraq. And UH. I knew
I wasn't gonna win, but I won because I made
those entrus, that those issues become central and uh and
I got a good vote and that that in is
when mainstream white America started saying that, well he not
just some guy out they're angry. He really knows the issues.

(45:06):
But the point was if we could get on the
mainstream stage and all your issues, we could affect policy.
And that's why I ran. Can I ask you it's
interesting because the issue recently came up. I was watching
a new show about Van Jones, and I love the
way you you ride your relationships, because you were just
talking earlier about how, of course you ran against Bush.

(45:27):
Your relationship is not the same with Bush, And it
was then relationship is not the same with a lot
of people, right set Clinton's how do you walk this line?
I mean in the Van Jones comparison, some people were saying, well,
why are you in pictures with this person? You know,
we don't That doesn't happen with Al Sharpton, right Like,
everything seems to be very planned out in a way,

(45:47):
but yet you still work together. So can you kind
of break that down because you gotta let them know
it's not personal. But just like you got your beliefs,
I have mine, so, Uh Donald Trump, I knew in
New York. I marched on him about Central Park. Then
he tried that kid he was Democratic when Dinkins was
in but I when when Trump won about a month

(46:11):
after one, he called me. I'd been on Morning Joe
that morning, and uh Joe asked me about Trump. He said,
you know him, you fought with him, and then he
tried to be friendly and I said, well, you gotta
understand uh New York to understand Donald Trump. And I explained.
Trump was an outer borog guy in the Queens, boring
the money, but he wasn't part of the established. He

(46:33):
wasn't at the power spots, so he had this chip
on his shoulder that they that the Park Avenue guys
looked down on him and his father, and he was
able to translate that to a lot of white, blue
collar working class people who he never was, but he
wasn't part of the accepted rothschild. So the world right.
So when I got off the show, this is about

(46:55):
December first, I think two thousand and thirteen. And when
I got off the show, No. Two thousands sixteen, when
he ran and uh, I was in a board meeting
of Nash Actually Network, my organization, and my cell phone
rang and I looked down. I didn't know the number,
and I had it on silence, so I let it
ring and ring again. So I said, maybe something happened.

(47:16):
So I picked up the phone whisper, I'm in a
board meeting, called me later whoever this is? Because I
didn't know the number, and the voice said can you
hold on for the President elect? And I said, they said,
can you hold on for the president elect? So I
put my finger like I'm in church, and I walked
out the board and going the hall of where we were,

(47:37):
and Trump comes on al I saw you this morning,
a morning, Joe, you got me you're right. I wasn't
outside and look at me now, I'm the president and
the neck of the United States. Can't you believe it?
I said, no, I am having a hard time belief
he said. He said, well, he said, look at you.
You got a TV show, but you're still watching. They

(47:59):
never thought the water once would be anything. He says,
I want you to come to Marlago. We're gonna talk.
I said, I'm not doing that. He said, what I said,
I'm not doing that. I said, respect, you will not
do the photo out with me. We're not going a
lot of people came to Trump Tower in those first months,
not me. I will not do it. And and the
whole time he was in he called me two or

(48:21):
three times. And I wouldn't go to White House at
all because I understand from my background growing up in
both the church and in show business, optics are important everything.
And you give them the photo, they use it whatever
way they want. And I would not give him that photo.
How how this being was it to see that photo

(48:43):
when he had whatever the fifty black preachers or whatever,
or just in general, how this maing was it to see?
How easy it was to be I'm assuming yes, but

(49:06):
it was just hattening because you know that he's using you.
And knowing Donald Trump, he probably didn't give people that much.
People get all and prone just to go to the
White House. And the advantage I had quest love is
by growing up around people like Jesse and like James Brown,
I wouldn't president all that I've been in the White House.

(49:27):
I could take four years not going to the White House.
But a lot of them have never been invited before.
Understanding with the president, it mean nothing to me. They're
gonna be a new president in four years. Joe Biden
and I talked, But Joe Biden will be gone in
four years. From the White House. I'll be out shop
as long as I live. I'm gonna stand for what
I stand for. I'm not gonna give that for some
temporary photo of and I think, and I tell a

(49:48):
lot of those people that is, don't play yourself like that.
They maybe you and will discard you when they don't
need you. It ain't personal. The cause as bigger than
all of us. Were there certain UH preachers or or
community leaders that you knew that we're considering that that
you personally have to talk out of doing that. I

(50:10):
talked to one or two that I talked out of,
and I talked to one that I couldn't talk out of.
And I won't. I won't, you know, give up their names.
Tell them. I know Donald Trump, Donald Trump is a
user and he will drop you. And and as soon
as the photos over which he did and look what

(50:30):
he did his own buddies. He let a lot of
them get in died. You know, he paused some of them.
I mean, that's who he is. And you don't ever
deal with a guy like that. He has no ethics wherever,
al can you please give us the backstory were idea,
the backstory behind some of these partners. I'm confused. Like
I think that he felt that if he pardons some
of them, My honest to god uh belief is that

(50:54):
he was looking out for him, thinking that they would
not set up in jail and tell on him because
now he can be prosecuted on a state level. I
think he did that the couple of the fact that
he let he let little Wayne and Kodak go and
then to let twenty of his boys go, So he
was trying to act like Bance. Actually, like I guess

(51:18):
I'm the Wayne situation, was that. You know, he was
on a private jet headed to Miami and he had
things on him, and of course the pilot winning Karen Mode,
and kind of called the police ahead of time when
he landed, like with clients and they have guns on

(51:40):
the plane. So of course he gets napped. He was
already on in probation. And what happens is Um his
lawyer called up the government of Florida was like, can
you do whatever, whatever you can do, just help us.
So the governor gets him off. And what happens is
may be a month before the elections, Wayne Um pretty

(52:05):
much uh you know Wayne's uh, Wayne's people got a call.
Trump had said like get me any celebrity, anyone, anyone
for I need someone that's big in the black community
and the and the government. Remember what he did for Wayne,
And it was sort of like a you owe me thing.

(52:27):
And what I believed happened was that Wayne went in
thinking that was a one off photo op thing, did
the photo op thing, and then it was sort of
like the bait and switch. Will you travel with me
and and do the rest of the campaign. They were
like no, we you said the one photo op thing.
And then when that was broken. Trump got on the

(52:48):
governor and then the governor was like, well, I will
just resend your you know, your part your probation or whatever,
and you got to go back to jail. And yeah,
it was it was a it was a way bigger story. UM.
I was gonna ask, um, I was curious to know

(53:08):
your work with um, with younger activists and what are
some of the differences that you see between your generation
and the younger generation of actors, be it you know,
Black Lives Matter, or you know, just any of the
youth organizations now and um, what are also some of
the I guess some of the difficulties you have in uh,

(53:31):
you know, in dealing with the the youth activists. Are
they more receptive to listen to, you know, to take
advice from an elder or do they just seem to
be like, oh well no, we want to do it
our own way. How how is that relationship for you?
So some of them during the tray vonn piece was tension.
You know, we don't want to listen to it to

(53:51):
the old God. We want to make our name. And
I kept telling them, I said, let me tell you something,
these cameras are gonna leave and we have to be organized.
And gradually we started getting together the three sisters that
started Black Lives Matter, Alicia Gaza, Sister Colors. Uh, all
three of them and I started talking a lot, and

(54:12):
they started seeing this thing was difficult. I started seeing
that sincerity. So we worked together. They do my TV show.
We talked when I did a book last year. Uh.
They did the book, talked me virtually. Uh. Then you
got something that's just out there, that's totally wilder. Then
you have others that are sincere. And I tell them,
there's no difference in y'all want to do it your way.

(54:33):
I want to do it different than Jesse. Jesse did
it different than doctor King. That's part of life. But
we are all in the same cause. And I might
I must say last year when we called the Big
March in Washington and we are in the middle of
a pandemic, we had hundred thousand people. All of them came,
and I told them, I don't I don't have to
put no shade on. You ain't gotta worry about it.

(54:55):
I'm gonna be out shop to anyway I can help y'all.
Y'all can help me, but you just came do no
violence stuff around me, and most of them are not violent,
and I won't do I won't make you go to
church if you won't throw a brick. Let's make a
compromise and we kind of get along like that. I
have a big youth department in my organization because I

(55:15):
intend that somebody's gonna take my organization and go for us.
A lot of the things I have my youth work
with that youth. They're the same age. Some of them
are younger that are in Nashvial. Actually they were always
been that you had to remember in history. Jesse was
with Dr King, Stokeley Carmichael, then was Black Power was
on the other side of the King thing. They were

(55:36):
all the same age. John Lewis, Jesse, Jackson, Stokeley, carbacha
rap Brown, always the same age. There's always been differences
in every generation. So a lot of the young actors
say we speak for you know, you speak for some
youth something. You still go to church, some youth and
non violent all of them. I don't speak for all
the elders. Everybody's got their piece, work your piece, and

(55:57):
let's try to make something happen. And my thing is
that it's a big highway out here, and as long
as we don't switch lanes without a sick we won't
have an excen. Now, I was gonna say, Mommy, that
scene in Malcolm X said the rev was in when
the aspects of what's going on? Sorry, when I'll tell
you about that scene. I know we got to go,
but I tell you about that scene. Spike Lee called

(56:18):
me and uh asked me to do that scene, and
I told him, you know that I was only eight
and nine years old. Killed. I'm just gonna put you
up there because Spike Lee, Russell Simmons and I all
grew up together in New York getting known and around
the same time. That's our generation. Spikes my generation. Spike
about two years younger than me. So you see them

(56:39):
always mentioned in Spikes movies. Denzel and I at the
same age. That's our generation. And I can tell you
Denzel about you know, John David is getting more wotched
than you now because that explains you on the dance floor.
Now now I get the whole Okay, all right, I
see you on the dance floor a few times. Get off, Yes,

(57:00):
everybody leaves. I want to know. Um, you know, we
live in a time now where you know, the the
the audacity of white supremacy is kind of proudly um,
you know, rearing its head once again in ways that
they haven't done since the twenties. It's my question isn't

(57:24):
did you ever think that it would ever come back
to square one? I guess my question is how can
we finally nipped this properly in the bud that we
have not done? Now that we're back at square one,
I think that what we are seeing is a backlash

(57:46):
like we never saw. There's always in history better backlash
slavery reconstruction. In the backlash was the clan. I think
what makes this different is this the first time you
had somebody in the White House that actually fan the
flame to make them feel like nothing would happen to them.
The law was on their side. And I think that

(58:07):
the only way you're gonna dip this in the bud
is you're gonna have to have some strong laws and
you're gonna have to make examples of them to go
to jail. They're going to have to do time, and
then the others that feel that way will know I
may feel this way, but I won't be able to
behave like that's how how do you stop crying before

(58:29):
you start prick walking some of them and they will
start learning how to obey and at like they got
good sense and that that's what you gotta do. And
that's what I told back, And you got to make
examples can be no, you know, uh, let's join hands
and and sing, come by, we got time. Look at

(58:49):
what they did. They start with a George Floyd or
they start with demonizing somebody like me. They run up
in the capitals and the capital of the United States
and was walking around looking calling for members of Congress
to hurt them. If y'all don't put this in a
real focus a penalty, they'll come after you because they

(59:11):
don't care unless you make them. Some of them have
to do some real time. Other times like this, Uh
you know, even though you've you know, worked your career
as you know, a non violent activist, other times like
this that really put that to the test for you,
like you know, or or if not this time, any
other times in your career where the real non violent

(59:33):
beliefs are really tested. Yeah you mean and you're not violent,
don't mean you a punk? And and and that you
don't get angry, but you you catch yourself because I
also feel like particularly uh, like when we started this conversation.
If I'm out there representing families, I can't let my
emotions embarrass them. So if I go off on somebody,

(59:56):
I'm hurting their gardener's family and not just hurting now shop,
you know, I'm hurting oh, George Floydstown. So I tried
not to misrepresent that, but my jaws get tight. There's
a lot of times I wouldn't even listen to talk
radio because if I listened to some of the right
wing radio what they say, I'll get out the car
and make my next speech because of everybody out You're human,

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but you gotta try to do discipline and keep telling
yourself you're here for a reason, not a season. You
gotta last it up. Hold these people, thank you, thank you.
I was just what was your relationship because I guess
I'm as I was born in seventy eight, so my
earliest memories of you believe it or not, we're from
the Morton Down and Junior Show. Straight up like he

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you know, he come out, so I mean he was like, yeah,
he would like you know, this is like Jerry Springer
before whatever, But how much of that with him? Uh
was that real? And because like you said, you know
in New York, I mean, you worked the circuit, you
see these guys all the time. How much of that
of you and his relationship was, like you guys really

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didn't like each other, and how much of it was
kind of for the camera. What was y'all's dynamic? Like
we didn't like each other at first. I think after
a while we sort of understood that he wanted me
on for controversy and I wanted him on because the
mainstream shows wasn't booking us then, so it was me
using him to get our thing out there. And I

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remember years later, Mike Wallace did a thing with me
in the early nineties and sixty minutes and he asked me,
why did you do one down here? I said, because
you would interview me. As soon as I started getting
I left down there alone. But we started really not
liking each other, but we kind of adjusted because I
think it was equal use. Yeah, yes, all right. My

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final question, I had to say that your health regiment
has been very inspirational to me and and watching you.
What was the vision to really get your your health
game together? And to too. I get, I guess, get
your your life right and how you keep it off
during the rona? Have you kept it off this? Well?

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You know, at first people used to cartoons and all
about me and the jarving suits and fat and all.
That didn't bother me. But as my daughters start getting older.
I remember one day I was at the house and
my youngest daughter, she was about five, and Ashley. She
went over to me and patted me on the He said, Daddy,
you fat, And that hurt me and I started wanted

(01:02:34):
to lose weight for her, and I lost a lot
of weight. Then uh in nine, in two thousand one,
I wouldn't let her protest in Puerto Rico, you might
remember protesting the bombing in Bahris, And the federal judge
gave me ninety days in jail, and I fasted forty
days and I lost a lot of weight, and I
felt better, and I started, uh saying, you know what,

(01:02:56):
I'm gonna change my diet and keep it off. So
jail made me going the regiment, so I stopped eating meat.
Then I pushed back on the starchers and sugars, and
then I started feeling that I get more energy. I
worked sixteen eighteen hour days and it just gave me
more energy. And right now I only eat growth vegetables,
row fruits. I may eat fish one day a week,

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but no meat at all, no chicken. It was hard
to give up chicken and preaching not eat chicken, but
many chicken places you have to pass up Jesus. I
was like, wait from church that that was hard. But
uh and and then you know a lot of people
felt I lost weight to do TV. I had already
lost the way. I had no idea i'd have a

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TV show, but it became a way of life. And
it doesn't bother me. I had that kind of wilper.
I can sit down in front of people that can
have everything I used to love to eat. It doesn't
bother me at all. You are so amazing, Man's God
the ship. I just thank you. I thank you for

(01:03:59):
doing this for me. I know your schedules busy. Thank you, man,
and I thank you for being you. You've been a
real cultural influence, even though you hurt my feelings once
because I brought my daughter. We got my daughter to
thirty rocks. She's now a friend with huh And I

(01:04:19):
was getting that Vador and uh my friend. Her friend
looked at said that's Quest Love and jumped up the elevator.
And they never act like that around me, but they
were trailing you. And I said this nick bro got
some nerves that he's a big u a big that
I am a rock quest Love I'm talking about. I
was afraid right now and you just walked by. I

(01:04:41):
was like, yeah, thank you for doing our show. I
appreciate it. Thank you so much, thank you for being
our buses for Thank you, Don Man. Oh, I was
just gonna remind everybody to make sure that they watch
Politics Nation every Saturday and Sunday. Yes, I want to
be a half a team Supreme by yes, Sugar Steve,

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unpaid bill. Uh, I'll take a load. Yes, thank you
very much forever now. I appreciate it. Uh this Question
Love Supreme. We will see you on the next go round.
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