September 20, 2024 • 42 mins
It's been anything but a quiet week in the world of The Valley and VPR!
Rachel and her publicist Juliette are updating you on the latest Something About Her lawsuit, Lala being able to call the shots with her new daughter around filming and a potential Brock and Scheana spin-off.
And, Rachel finally addresses Jax's remarks to her latest comments about his mental health journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is Rachel Goes Rogue. Welcome back to another episode
of Rachel Goes Rogue with your host Rachel Savannah Levis,
and today I have my producer and publicist on with me, Juliette,
to be discussing the most recent headlines that we've been
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seeing lately in the press.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
This headline is the Valleys. Jax Taylor reacts to Rachel
Levis's comments about his mental health. In a recent podcast episode,
Jax Taylor addressed comments made by Rachel Raquel Lovis regarding
his mental health. Jax clarified that he barely knows Raquel
and is not interested in seeking validation from her. He
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also admits to being a narcissist, describing how he recently
learned about various scissistic behaviors he exhibits okay, such as
love bombing and gaslighting Wow okay. Amid his divorce from
Britney cart Right, Jacks has moved out of their shared
mansion and into a new townhouse. He verified that he
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lives next to Tom Schortz, but not with him. Jack's
expressed that he wants to focus on his son, Cruise
and does not plan to have more children. Feeling like
he wants to give Cruse his full attention. All right, Juliette,
what are your thoughts about this article?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Where to begin? I think first and foremost is the
you component, right, So I feel like, and I know
we touched on this a little bit before, you doing
what you're doing now, going through your recovery, really analyzing things,
you wanted to recognize that it's good for anybody to
go through mental health. But just because you're ready to give,
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doesn't mean people are ready to receive. Right, So he
came out defensive and you and then from a PR standpoint,
all of them have made you the boogeyman. You're the boogeyman, right,
so it's easier to hate you because that's drama. That's
the drama. They can go around that's not pointed at
each other, so it's.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Sort of easy.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So in my mind, from a PR perspective and a
production perspective, you're the boogeyman. Will just put the di
aggression towards Rachel. We can go on with our lives
because nobody's gonna imagine what happens if somebody goes, wow,
that was really nice of Rachel Or that's really cool
of her, it suddenly gets very boring, right, So I
feel like that's the first part of it. It's very
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easy for you to be the boogyman. Keep you the boogeyman.
Second of all, in here, these are all things people
were saying about him, so he's owning them. So he's
trying to reframe how people think about him and show
that he's doing the work and show that he's doing something.
And good for him if he's really doing it, and
good for him if he's taking a handle on it.
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You know, that's all you can wish for somebody. I'm
not going to speculate on what he is or isn't doing,
but from these statements, it looks like he's trying to
own it or tell us or show us. He's trying
to own it and move on from it. And the
faster you grab that, the faster you get past it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
How does the public's interpretation of my remarks reflect broader
issues and how we discuss mental health in the media.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
This one is very perplexing. I think the thing you
have to remember is when we're actually in the bravosphere,
it's very different from the rest of the world. And
I think you can attest to this. When you're out
and about and you're with your nice, new normal friends
and you're doing things, people come up to you all
the time, and people write to you all the time
and say what a good job you're doing and how
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they appreciate you putting it all out there and talking
about the things you've learned and shedding light for something
that they can learn. But in this little bubble, the
the headlines are negative towards you, the reaction is negative
towards you, and so you just have to shrug that
off because it's the minority. So I feel like in
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the big picture, people are very open to mental health. Yeah,
in TV and production, I don't know. Some places are
very and some places are And in this particular one,
it's my opinion that I don't think they are very
open to it, or they use it when it's conducive
for them. So when it works for Tom, they wanted
to sway the opinions to feel for him. When it
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came to you, they wanted people to dismiss it and
pretend you were at the SPA. Now, Jack, supposedly, you know,
has gone in for one month and he's a whole
new person. I don't know. I hope for everybody, and
I guess here's this is the real of it. You
know how in fashion they go for constantly showing the
skinniest person possible, and young girls grow up with that
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kind of bad imagery. I think we need to try
collectively to be responsible with mental health. We need to
recognize that it's issues for many people. We have a
mental health problem in this country, and how you identify it,
what we do with it, how we treat it. There
aren't solutions, and that's where I think we need to concentrate,
and so anybody with the platform needs to paint those
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realistic pictures too, so that people don't think that everything
is solved after one month.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah. I think it's very interesting your point that the
press is very much willing to talk about mental health,
which is a great step for us as humans. But
the way that they pick and choose how they use
it to paint certain people in a certain light that
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supports whatever narrative they are putting out to the public
is a little bit irresponsible in my eyes.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I'd agree with that, and look, it's really tough. I
get that they have a show and a reality show
to produce and put out there, and they need the
drama and they need the crazy, they need all of that, right,
and I understand that. But at the end of the day,
you know, it's that tough thing to video games influence shooters.
I don't know do they If you're constantly seeing bad
imagery and behavior is acceptable and then you act on it,
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who's responsible? Is it the parents for letting the kids
plays a video games for making the games. It's that
same concept and television here as a whole. So if
it's okay to be horrible to Rachel, but okay to
the two gentlemen that have gone through or you know,
there's a double standard there. I don't know why people
weren't more receptive. Well, again, this particular spot of people.
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When you step outside of this and you look at
the real world and the big picture, people are very complimented.
The nonprofits are thankful to you, The people are thankful
to you. So it's just, you know, you can't have
it at all. You can't please all people, so we
focus on the ones you can.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, And I would rather live in this real reality
anyway where I am able to impact other people in
a positive way and get that feedback and not just
hide behind this facidey and preach one thing. I don't
know who knows, it's very rare for a narcissist to
admit that they're a narcissist, especially so publicly. So it's
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just you know, I, like I said before, I really
wish Jack's the best in his recovery.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And that's it, exactly, And that's all you did from
the beginning. One other thing I will remind you of,
and I don't know if we talked about it or
not before, but if you google how the seat belt
came to be, it was an uphill battle for people
to get to recognize and to get cars to put
seat belts in cars. And it's that same sort of
an argument that Rome wasn't built in the day. So
you chip away for getting people to understand the mental
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health needs to be talked about, the treatment is acceptable,
and that's what you're doing. So I think you pat
yourself on the back, and good for Jacks for talking
about it too, and good for him for going in
and that's all you can ask for. And at the
end of the day, it'll all sort of come to
light and hopefully we're chipping away at a much bigger
problem and you just want to be on the right
side that which I feel you are.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, okay, next headline. Ariana Maddox and Katie Maloney deny
any wrongdoing as they fire back at chef Penny lawsuit.
So Ariana and Katie recently open their sandwich shop Something
about Her following several delays. Despite receiving praise from Lisa
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vander Pump, the shop has faced issues, including a lawsuit
from former chef Penny d v D. Penny alleges breaching
up a contract claiming she was promised a ten percent
profit share and a coo director of culinary title. Ariana
and Katie deny wrongdoing and are seeking to have the
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case dismissed or tried by jury.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Okay. In regards to this lawsuit, I am not a lawyer.
I don't know anything about the facts of this, nor
do I care to. But there's two things about this.
If it's in writing, it'll play it I mean it'll
it'll be easy. If it's not in writing, it's still
going to play itself out in court. The evidence is
where it's going to go. But the interesting part of
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this is that they're not it's not even about the
lawsuits so much is that they're trying to make this
play out in the public. Both sides are trying to
win the popular vote, if you will, and the public
opinion vote, because at the end of the day then
it doesn't matter what the verdict is. So if you
sway your fans and the public to thinking you're your
right and you didn't do anything wrong. And especially Ariana's
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fans are they die They die hard, love her right,
and so they are going to go to battle for her.
So if she if all she's got to do and
Katie is put out, you know, their version of the
truth and be sincere in it, and the fans are
going to follow in love. And then at the end
of the day, whatever happens with the court verdict doesn't
even matter, right, Okay, From Chef Penny's perspective, it's the
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same thing. She's like, if I can win, if I
can drop my receipts, if I can act like you know,
I'm she wins public opinion, and maybe she's swayed some people,
but at the end of the day, it's going to
be in court with what actually happens.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, So at this point, they're trying to get it dismissed.
Arianna and Katie are trying to get it dismissed, right,
So the judge will declare whether or not they have
a penny has grounds to move forward?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Correct, Yeah, And that's so that very first thing is
going to be who's got the most evidence to what
and the judge is going to say, Okay, there's enough
to proceed or there's not enough. This is what you
just went through in your case. They first wanted to see,
you know, what the proof is, what the evidence is,
what the position is, and then they'll make the decision
if it's if it should go forward because there's merit,
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or if it's a waste of time on the court.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So that's where they're at right now. So it's too
early to see because I haven't. They have a certain
amount of time to answer your complaint and react, and
then there's all sorts of legal ways that they stall
into everything else, which we've also experienced in your hurts.
But at the end of the day, it's going to
come down to who has the most proof, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
And then what about this angle, Juliet, how does celebrity
involvement in business ventures influence customer expectations.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
This is a very complicated scenario because it's different stages.
So number one, having a big, popular celebrity definitely drives
the audience's attention nothing. I mean, it is the fastest
way to get the attention and to get other headlines.
Now there's always that journalist that wants to go against
the grain and looks for the negative in it too,
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So that's, you know, can always be a factor. The
other thing is when a celebrity is the face of
a brand, it's very hard for them to step away.
And if the brand depends on the celebrity, it's hard
to maintain the business because if that celebrity goes up
and down or it doesn't matter, the cachet of their
name is affected also, So in this case or cases
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like it, for it to withstand the test time, the
product is going to have to be good, the service
is going to have to be good, or it'll just
go away. As a quick celebrity venture, which don't get
me wrong, pop ups can be extremely successful. You go in,
you make a ton of money, and you get out.
And I think I said in the past that's what
I have a feeling that this is going to be
because I don't I don't know Ariana and I don't
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know Katie. I believe they're both actresses. I know Arianna
started as an actress, and if her goal is to
continue on the trajectory she is, she's not going to
want to manage a restaurant, right, Like she's just she's not. Now,
there are celebrities that just put their name on something
and they have a good staff beneath them. Like Nashville,
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the entire restaurant row is celebrity owned restaurants that management
teams go in and run and use that celebrity's name.
What yeah, yeah, like the whole Like every every big
country star has got a restaurant in Nashville, in the
strip in Nashville. And some of them are there actual restaurants,
some of them are management groups that license a name.
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So it's it's you know, it's a very big business
to use a celebrities name on a restaurant or a brand.
You just have to have experienced people that know how
to navigate and manage through using it because it can
be a blessing and it could be a curse. I mean,
look at Morgan Wallen when he threw the chair off,
like you know, now he's he's actually considered he could
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do time. And so like if it was the Morgan
Wall and restaurant, you go and have a behavior like that,
what happens It takes it up. Look at what happened
with Tom and Tom's restaurant when this when scandalbal happened, right,
people wrote them hate mail and gave them bad reviews.
And it's very touchy. So you have to have an
experienced team that knows how to navigate with a celebrity name.
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So to the answer the question, yes, it most definitely
gives it a boost and helps to open the doors
and makes the headlines and then it's a matter of
handling it right to maintain it and avoid the negativity.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It feels like the goal in playing this reality TV
game and being a cast on a show like this
is to start a brand and to open up a
business with your name. We've seen it first demonstrated by
Lisa Vander Pump with Sir and Pump and then with
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Tom Tom. You know, Shorts and Sandoval got in on
that name and that restaurant, and then Shorts and Sandoval
opened up their own Shorts and Sandy's. It's interesting because
vander Pump Rules is ten years, ten plus years of
this reality TV game, and it's been so successful that
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we really are seeing that next tier, idealized level of
where do you want to go from here? How are
you going to make this profitable for when this show
isn't on anymore? Because we all know it won't last forever.
There is a shelf life on it, and I think
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the name of the game is using your name to
make the most money as possible in the moment and
really capitalize on those big moment opportunities.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
The saying fifteen minutes of fame did not just come
around today, right, So these people know to capitalize on
the moment because it is fleeting and the most that
you can do, that's the smart move. It is write
your book, do your merch do a restaurant anywhere you
can good or bad. Do you know what I mean?
Like if people hate you, turn around and do like
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a restaurant where people could throw darts at you. It
doesn't matter, right, Like, at the end of the day,
it's capitalized, not you the person, you the picture, whatever,
you know what I mean? Like, the idea is to
harness the emotion and get people to react and spend
money on it, which is why things like Instagram and
social media is so popular because it's that quick click
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of the button. It's that quick like, it's the quick hate,
it's the quick reaction. So for sure everybody's to make
their fifteen minutes last.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And it's also selling an experience, like the amount of
people that fly out to La just to go to
the vander Punk Crawl is insane, and it's only been
more and more people since the scandaal of it all.
When it's like a restaurant or some sort of institution
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where you can go in person and either drink a
specific drink or like, I don't know, when you said
darts at a person, immediately I thought, like, I don't know,
throwing tomatoes at a cast member, you know, like James
Kennedy suggested. So yeah, it's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Would you ever attach your name to a business or
a restaurant on a How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I feel like a restaurant is way too much for
me to manage, But I could see myself attaching my
name to a product, like something that I personally enjoy
and something that I would probably like a clothing thing
or some sort of travel product or something like that,
or yoga.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
What are they called. Yeah, I think you're very in
that sort of ethereal place, and I think health and
wellness is a good area for you.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So I don't know, we'll see. That'd be cool. So
the next one, brock Davies makes a surprising remark about
moving back to New Zealand. This is from Bravo.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Okay, Well, look, I think it's very hard and probably
more so for men to be second in a relationship.
And I think he's trying to probably find his way
and find his niche. He's got a lot of baggage,
is mean, and I don't mean to be mean. He's
got a lot of stuff right that he has to
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deal with, and so he looks as though he's trying
to take responsibility and make changes and do those things.
But you know, he's got to do whatever he's got
to do for his fifteen minutes. He's trying to, like,
you know, create his YouTube and do his building stuff
and maybe that turns into his niche, you know, good
for him. And he's competing with a definite a personality
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in Alpha and she's been on this show from the
very beginning, and so I'm sure he's trying to find
his space within the TV world, and then he's got
to navigate his personal issues and try to build up
whatever relationships that he wants there. So, you know, look,
it's tough, and I'm sure you don't always think about it,
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which you can speak firsthand to when you think being
on a reality show is going to be great, and
you think it's going to be fine, and then people
go real personal and get into areas that you may
never have thought that they're going to come to fruition
or dwell on, and then and you can lose control.
And so who knows if he thought his personal life,
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his previous life was going to come to light or not.
Who knows if he wants, you know, how he feels
about that, how they feel about it. Maybe they don't
want to be attached to a reality It's a lot,
you know, it's nobody's somebody's fault. Nobody picks and shooses
how to navigate this stuff. And some people are really
good at it and some people aren't. So, if you know,
I think in this situation, he's constantly trying to compete
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for a headline. He's trying to find his way on
the show. He's trying to be important in that relationship too,
And I don't know, it's a tough spot. I don't
have you know, I don't have much to say about
old Brock.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, it says as fans may recall, Brock was born
and raised in New Zealand, and he has two children
who live in Australia with their mom and stepdad. And
so if he's thinking about if he's thinking about moving
to New Zealand or Australia, I think those are both
beautiful places to live and like very ideal if you
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want to like get out of the reality TV world.
I'm just thinking, like, how would that work with vander
pump Rules, because we've heard that they officially have been
picked up for another season, so the cast will be filming,
the original cast will be filming, So maybe this is
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like in the future.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Not sure, would I mean, just being nice, I would
imagine that he's trying to re establish relationships there. I
don't know what his relationships are there, so I don't
want to pretend I do or act, but like you know,
if he's got kids there, he's gonna want to see
his kids, and he's got a kid here and a
wife here, so you know, maybe it's taking the family
back and maybe it's balancing and you know, when vander
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Pump's not filming or I don't know, or it could
be framing in case he's maybe he's not wanting to
do the show anymore. I don't I don't know, or.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Maybe they're like vying for a spinoff, because I think
that's also the other goal of being a cast member
on a show, Like everyone not only wants their own
brand and business on something to market, but like the
spinoff thing is a huge aspiration. I believe it seems
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like so and Brock and Sheena do document their life
via YouTube, and so I think that that wouldn't be
too far off if they're trying to pitch that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
It's highly likely. Look, and with this cast as a whole, look,
I'll give them their due. They are driven, right, they
are driven to make those fifty minutes grow and grow
and grow, and they do a very good job of it.
And so, whether it's a spinoff, whether it's a travel show,
whether it's a get more likes on Instagram and YouTube,
because we're going to do a trip to Australia and
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get somebody to sponsor it, get me all of the
above those things, and then on a human level, I'd
like to think he's you know, reconnecting with his kids
and integrating the families and you know, so that they
can live happily or after. But I don't. I don't
know who knows.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Okay, Yeah, the next headline Rock Davies's doctor has never
seemed sperm So good amid possible sergacy journey with Sheena Shay.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
First of all, IBS can be controversial, and so by
talking about it in a funny way, in a fun way,
you know, they put it out there instead of somebody
else exposing that they're doing IVF. Right, so you know, good,
he he's manly. I don't know what to say at
the end of the day, if they choose IVF. I
did IVF. I'm a huge pro IVF person and I'm
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never going to say anything bad about it. And look,
she throws her eggs. She throws her eggs, throws their eggs,
so you know she has that option to She's probably
I think she's a little bit older now too, So
if that's what they want to do. I wish them great, great,
fucking good for him for being virile. I don't wan
to say that.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Okay, great, Okay, the next one. Gosh, we're talking a
lot about Sena and Barack and Jackson. This headline from
reality Blurb says Sena say there's more to why Jax
Taylor went to rehab. She commented on Jack Taylor's decision
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to seek help for his bipolar disorder, suggesting that there
might be more to this treatment than he has revealed.
Shina mentioned that Jax is selling items belonging to his
strange wife, Britney Cartwright and their son Cruise on eBay
for under thirty dollars, including Britney's Jenny Craig tote bag
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and Cruise's old items. I'm sorry, I'm laughing. I feel
like this article is ridiculous. Is this, Drew? Have we
heard about this?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well, we've heard about it, but you know, look, I
think this particular group of people too is very good
at manipulating the press and the articles and making something
out of nothing and the constant headlines. That's what they do.
And so I don't know if it's true or not.
I don't know if she's taking it. I think a
lot of people are taking the jabs at Jackson are
pro Brittany. And you know, there's a lot of rumors
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swirling around why he went. There's a lot of rumors
swirling around, and some of them they just throw right
out there that you know, if somebody's cheated, or both
people have cheated, or someone's dating and said, it's it's
reality TV. So you know, I think that they will
do whatever it takes for the headlines. And you know,
they pick sides because it makes the drama. So you
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know this, I don't have much thought about this article.
Then it's par for the course.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
My side there is just like, yeah, picking sides is
what this is all about, it seems you know.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, Well, if they're gonna all circ around her and
try to push him out or you know, they do
that sometimes and then sometimes there's a bridge to build
the relationships. And I don't know this one is this
one is a bit more game playing and posturing and
who knows what actually happened and we'll see the time.
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I guess, well, Jax came out too, and like didn't
want them a part of the valley, So it also
could be a little bit of retaliation. Maybe too strong
of a word, but you know what I mean, tit
for tat Like if Sheen's out in this press talking
about Jax after Jack said he didn't want them on
that way, you know, it's that keeping it in the headlines.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
So look, here's another thing about this is you came
out and spoke on Jack's in a kind way, you know,
supporting and giving him, you know, props for going into treatment.
And then now Sheena and you got all sorts of
slack for being sincere and doing. Now Shena comes out
is kind of throwing them under the bus and talking
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about I don't know, things maybe she shouldn't be talking about.
But what are people's reactions going to be there? Do
we think? Do we think people are going to get
the pitchforks against her or do they just let it
slide under the rud How does all that make you feel?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I don't know because I'm not looking at the comments,
so I'm not sure how the fan reactions are to
what she's saying. But I guess it just informs me
that I'm a very polarizing character in people's world, and
I think maybe still at this point, people are still
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seeing red and are unable to hear what I'm saying.
So there's nothing I can really do about that.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I know, I think it's a no way institution, but
that's where you know, as a human and as somebody
who concentrates on taking care of their mental health, you
can't please all the people. You can't control the other people.
So as long as you live your life in ways
that make you happy and something you're proud of, then
you can't really worry about what other people say.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, okay, this one Colleider. Okay, collider. Collider says September
twenty twenty four, Rachel Levis wants attention, they say. Rachel
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has been the subject of intense scrutiny since her time
on vander Pump Rules. Introduced during season five as James
Kennedy's girlfriend, she faced criticism from other cast members and fans.
Her controversial affair with Tom Sandoval, which became known in
season ten, led to widespread backlash and the end of
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her stint on the show. After facing severe hate online,
Rachel checked into a mental health facility where she reflected
on her actions and claimed that returning to the show
would hinder her healing process. Despite her vows to distance
herself from Vanderpump Rules, Rachel continues to discuss the show
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and its cast on her podcast, Rachel Goes Rogue and
through social media. She has even expressed mixed feelings about
her past relationships with the cast, notably missing her friendship
with Sheena Shee while disliking James Kennedy. Okay. Rachel's contradictory
statements about avoiding reality TV while frequently addressing it, have
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led to speculation that she might be seeking attention. She
has also publicly supported Jax Taylor, another former vander Pump
Rules star, who recently shared his mental health struggles, although
their relationship was not friendly during their time on the show.
Rachel's action suggests a struggle between her desire for privacy
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and her own ongoing involvement in the reality TV world.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Okay, can we like just dig right into this right here?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yes? Please?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Did you ever stay that you wanted full and complete
and total privacy and to step away from that? Did
you ever actually say that.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Well, I do want privacy now that I'm getting it.
It's more so like stepping away from a toxic environment
and prioritizing my mental health in that aspect, and I'm
not sure how many times I need to address this
before I sound like a broken record. I probably already do,
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and so like, I don't want to continue saying it
for the people that understand and do listen to my podcast,
because that can get annoying. But this has been a
part of my life for many, many years. I do
have insight into the realities of reality TV, and I'm
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not afraid to break the fourth wall, where as you know,
the cast members that are still in it want to
keep up a certain image and there's a game that
is being played. And when I'm talking about jaxx Taylor,
we're talking about mental health and that is something that
I am passionate about and something that I bring to
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the discussion through my podcast and sharing my personal journey,
because I mean, you guys, I have been programmed by
this show to share my personal life. So I don't
know what else you expect from me, but like I guess,
this is what I know how to do, and it's
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something that I feel fulfilled in doing. When I can
help other people by sharing my story, even if it
is one person, then I feel like I'm accomplished. In
some sort of way, and that this isn't all for nothing,
that there is some good that can come from this.
I really don't know what else to say besides that,
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and I don't want to harp on it any longer.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You know what it's framing, okay, because at the end
of the day, I can take that article and I
can say, here's a girl that was lived her life
her twenties on reality TV, realized it was toxic, decided
she doesn't want to put herself through that environment anymore
because she can't control the narrative and they were controlling
her story. So she's left. She's doing a podcast. She's
talking about her experience, the good, the bad, the ugly,
(31:32):
what she's learned, had to go in to get treatment
for mental health, come out the other side stronger and
sharing it with everybody. And so she wants to use
the voice in the platform she has to help other people.
And yes, she still touches on bandar Pump rules because
it's a large part of her life. And to me,
it's really that simple and you're taking control of it
(31:53):
doing it your way, yes, but people want to spin
it as well. If you really you should have come
back to the show if you had something to say, why,
Because you're doing it on your terms, right, not theirs.
In my opinion, this is just it's spent. It's a
perspective it's taking and we just spun in a different way.
And if people don't like it, then they don't listen
(32:13):
and they don't tune in. You can't please everybody, but
the people that are tuning in and are having conversations
that run up to you on the street and say,
great job, you did the right thing. You are taking
care of your mental health first. You know, that's where
we choose to put our attention. It's spin and you
can have both. You can not be on a reality show,
(32:34):
and this is amazing, you can still talk about a
reality show, Nick Vile. All these other people that are
making their livelihood talking about other people's reality shows. They
don't even have the experience on the show. But yet
you're supposedly in the wrong because you're not on the show,
but you're talking about the show, although you lived on
(32:54):
the show for a long time. So it's just been Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I think it's also funny too. When I've first announced
that I was starting a podcast and the season was
coming out. People were saying, like I think it was
Nick File was saying like, oh, she better not do
a recap podcast because like she needs to leave that
to us, like the nick Files of the world and
(33:18):
the up and Autumns of the world. And it's like, Okay, no,
I'm not planning on doing a recap. But you know
who did do that is Tom Sandoval. His whole podcast
was recapping each episode and not providing anything of substance.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
In my eyes, I think you've said it so many
times and again, we don't need a harpot it or whatever.
But at the end of the day, you're doing something
a little deeper than those recaps, and you're doing something
that ties in your experience with helping others, and that's
why you chose to do it. And I don't remember
a time where you declared you wanted to have, you know,
stay out of the spotlight for the rest of your life.
(33:56):
That's it's irrelevant if you do or you don't. You
might at one point yes, one point no, But you
are talking about your life experiences, how it impacted you,
helping others learn from it, learning yourself from it, And
so I happen to feel that it's a very nice perspective.
And this has just spin. It's just you know, taking
the negative route, and why because it gets people talking
(34:17):
about it.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, and two things can be true at once. I
can be like dealing with this internal battle of how
much do I share with the public and seeing my
privacy as something that's sacred to me and still wanting
to share to relate to other people. It's just this
(34:39):
new thing that I'm learning boundaries and I'm learning how
to navigate that because beforehand I really didn't have many boundaries.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You shed a lot of light on that, and I
think that's help for a lot of people. And look,
at the end of the day, podcasting could be fun, right,
And you've getting a lot of people that are appreciative
of the work you're doing, what you're talking about and
the stories you're telling in a perspective that they hadn't
thought about from five years ago on the show. And
you know what, if those people weren't listening, if those
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people weren't bringing up questions and people weren't, then okay,
but they are. So you know what, you're enjoying doing something,
you're reflecting, you're doing it in a way to help others.
I just, you know, people just trying to take shots
at you. It just is, you know, because they're still
trying to attach to the controversy of the Rachel.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, I guess I mean in a way, I guess
we could look at it as a positive thing because
no matter what I do, people want to talk about
what I'm doing, and so at least my voice is
being heard. And if people are interested in knowing more
(35:48):
information and are intelligent enough to like dig in deeper
to get more context to the situation, then they know
where to go to get that.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You want to talk about Laala's really.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Quick vander pump Roles is Lala Kent gives first look
at daughter Sosa. Oh yeah, I saw that cute little
baby photo two weeks ago. On September third, I welcomed
my second baby, girl, Sosa Kent. I've been open about
my dream of this moment. At ten thirteen pm, the
(36:23):
moment came true. The vander Pumper Roles star shared a
video of herself and labor ahead of welcoming her little one.
She also shared a close up photo of Sosa sleep
and surrounded by a white blanket. My little dream baby
entered the world. I'm completely in love with her. We
all are. Kent continued, Sosa, you have no idea what
(36:47):
you have brought into my life. I'm blessed to call
myself your mama. Welcome to our crazy world, booboo. We
are so happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Well, firstly, I think we congratulally right and good for
her for she didn't have a partner at the moment
she wants another baby. Good for her for doing it.
I'm all for that. I think it's very interesting noting
that she's brought this child into the vander Pump crazy
world of it, the reality TV part of it. I'm
(37:19):
a little conflicted on that sometimes because you like, you
want to share things about your kids and your family,
but on the other hand, like how much and do
they they didn't choose to do that? Are they going
to grow up and be angry at you for putting
them in that situation? I don't know. It's a tough one.
And I I mean, you see there's a lot of
these influencer families and people go after them and they're like,
(37:41):
did your kids choose that? And are they getting paid
for their time? And you know, there's a lot of
controversy around it right now, what used to be, you know,
you would share in a baby book and then you
would share by texting it. Now you share it on
the socials. But if the kids don't ask for that,
it's it is pretty challenge. And you know, people the
(38:03):
media platforms can use those photos, so that's discomforting as
a parent. So look, I don't actually have an answer
to this. I think some people use their kids as
a prop some people use it as a storyline. Some
people truly believe that by sharing everything it's like a
gift outward. I don't know, it's tough. I think once
(38:27):
you open Pandora's back, you can't close it, So that's
kind of tough. And again you're taking a choice away
from the kid. But I don't know, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
It says? Well, let me just continue reading this and
then I'll give you my thoughts. The reality star welcomed
her first daughter with ex fiance Randall Emmett in March
twenty twenty one. While the couple split that October, Kent
has remained vocal about wanting to expand her family. I
definitely want to have another baby, Kent exclusively told US
(38:58):
Weekly two months after Welcome Ocean. It doesn't have to
be right away because I'm just so in love and
I want to enjoy Ocean for as long as possible.
It's like clock is ticking, you better have another baby. Also, yes,
congratulations to.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Laala and her.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
New addition to her family. I think it is, you know,
with the Randall situation. Randall is not a proponent of
having their daughter on Vandrpump Rules, and so he would
not let Laala have her first baby, Ocean on the show,
(39:41):
which I think that's taking something away from Laala, like
that she really wants because she has committed herself to
this show and committed herself to sharing her life for
other people. I think that that is probably I mean,
she already wanted to have more than one kid, which
(40:04):
is great, but I think it was probably a big
motivation for her to have another child without Randall involved
at all, because that gives her more power and control
over her situation. Not even Randall, but like any man.
She had a donor fertilize her egg and it's one
(40:26):
hundred percent hers, so she gets to call the shots
and she gets to decide how this baby is going
to navigate in her world.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
As an only child, I can speak to sharing being difficult.
And then as a mom you know, and a type
a personality, I want all the control and decisions too,
But that is not when you're married or when you
are parents and you have you know, another parent. That's
not the real world. So in this situation, she now
(40:56):
has that. So but it will be interesting because if
she's doing it because she want, I mean not doing it.
I don't think she got pregnant how baby just for TV.
But but if she's like looking at that she can
put Sosa on but Ocean can't. That's going to create
an interesting dynamic too for them, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So true.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
So you know, and again I'm not taking anything away
from her. And now people don't comme at me for this,
but let's just say in her mind, that's going to
be a much better storyline for the Valley or motherhood.
That opens up branding opportunities for brands. And you know there,
I don't put anything best to anybody in this world.
But you know, let's say she gets to open that
(41:37):
world for Sosa but she doesn't for Ocean. There's just
potential issues. But you know what, she's just going to
have to do her best as a mom to balance
all those things and do what's right for her and
those kids. And that's all. I'm sure her intentions are
to do make a living for their family, and you know,
she's got to do what she's got to do to
do that. She's a single mom now of two kids,
so she's she's got to make those fifteen minutes last
(42:00):
as long as she can because that is her revenue
and that's the livelihood for her family.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, I think she has successfully done that already.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
I think she's a tough cookie too.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, she is. She's the toughest cookie on the block.
Thank you for coming on, Julia and giving your pr expertise,
And thank you guys for listening to Rachel Goes Rogue.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
You're welcome to see you later.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
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This is Rachel Goes Rogue. Welcome back to another episode
of Rachel Goes Rogue with your host Rachel Savannah Levis,
and today I have my producer and publicist on with me, Juliette,
to be discussing the most recent headlines that we've been
(00:26):
seeing lately in the press.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
This headline is the Valleys. Jax Taylor reacts to Rachel
Levis's comments about his mental health. In a recent podcast episode,
Jax Taylor addressed comments made by Rachel Raquel Lovis regarding
his mental health. Jax clarified that he barely knows Raquel
and is not interested in seeking validation from her. He
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also admits to being a narcissist, describing how he recently
learned about various scissistic behaviors he exhibits okay, such as
love bombing and gaslighting Wow okay. Amid his divorce from
Britney cart Right, Jacks has moved out of their shared
mansion and into a new townhouse. He verified that he
(01:16):
lives next to Tom Schortz, but not with him. Jack's
expressed that he wants to focus on his son, Cruise
and does not plan to have more children. Feeling like
he wants to give Cruse his full attention. All right, Juliette,
what are your thoughts about this article?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Where to begin? I think first and foremost is the
you component, right, So I feel like, and I know
we touched on this a little bit before, you doing
what you're doing now, going through your recovery, really analyzing things,
you wanted to recognize that it's good for anybody to
go through mental health. But just because you're ready to give,
(01:55):
doesn't mean people are ready to receive. Right, So he
came out defensive and you and then from a PR standpoint,
all of them have made you the boogeyman. You're the boogeyman, right,
so it's easier to hate you because that's drama. That's
the drama. They can go around that's not pointed at
each other, so it's.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Sort of easy.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So in my mind, from a PR perspective and a
production perspective, you're the boogeyman. Will just put the di
aggression towards Rachel. We can go on with our lives
because nobody's gonna imagine what happens if somebody goes, wow,
that was really nice of Rachel Or that's really cool
of her, it suddenly gets very boring, right, So I
feel like that's the first part of it. It's very
(02:34):
easy for you to be the boogyman. Keep you the boogeyman.
Second of all, in here, these are all things people
were saying about him, so he's owning them. So he's
trying to reframe how people think about him and show
that he's doing the work and show that he's doing something.
And good for him if he's really doing it, and
good for him if he's taking a handle on it.
(02:55):
You know, that's all you can wish for somebody. I'm
not going to speculate on what he is or isn't doing,
but from these statements, it looks like he's trying to
own it or tell us or show us. He's trying
to own it and move on from it. And the
faster you grab that, the faster you get past it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
How does the public's interpretation of my remarks reflect broader
issues and how we discuss mental health in the media.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
This one is very perplexing. I think the thing you
have to remember is when we're actually in the bravosphere,
it's very different from the rest of the world. And
I think you can attest to this. When you're out
and about and you're with your nice, new normal friends
and you're doing things, people come up to you all
the time, and people write to you all the time
and say what a good job you're doing and how
(03:41):
they appreciate you putting it all out there and talking
about the things you've learned and shedding light for something
that they can learn. But in this little bubble, the
the headlines are negative towards you, the reaction is negative
towards you, and so you just have to shrug that
off because it's the minority. So I feel like in
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the big picture, people are very open to mental health. Yeah,
in TV and production, I don't know. Some places are
very and some places are And in this particular one,
it's my opinion that I don't think they are very
open to it, or they use it when it's conducive
for them. So when it works for Tom, they wanted
to sway the opinions to feel for him. When it
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came to you, they wanted people to dismiss it and
pretend you were at the SPA. Now, Jack, supposedly, you know,
has gone in for one month and he's a whole
new person. I don't know. I hope for everybody, and
I guess here's this is the real of it. You
know how in fashion they go for constantly showing the
skinniest person possible, and young girls grow up with that
(04:48):
kind of bad imagery. I think we need to try
collectively to be responsible with mental health. We need to
recognize that it's issues for many people. We have a
mental health problem in this country, and how you identify it,
what we do with it, how we treat it. There
aren't solutions, and that's where I think we need to concentrate,
and so anybody with the platform needs to paint those
(05:09):
realistic pictures too, so that people don't think that everything
is solved after one month.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah. I think it's very interesting your point that the
press is very much willing to talk about mental health,
which is a great step for us as humans. But
the way that they pick and choose how they use
it to paint certain people in a certain light that
(05:34):
supports whatever narrative they are putting out to the public
is a little bit irresponsible in my eyes.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I'd agree with that, and look, it's really tough. I
get that they have a show and a reality show
to produce and put out there, and they need the
drama and they need the crazy, they need all of that, right,
and I understand that. But at the end of the day,
you know, it's that tough thing to video games influence shooters.
I don't know do they If you're constantly seeing bad
imagery and behavior is acceptable and then you act on it,
(06:06):
who's responsible? Is it the parents for letting the kids
plays a video games for making the games. It's that
same concept and television here as a whole. So if
it's okay to be horrible to Rachel, but okay to
the two gentlemen that have gone through or you know,
there's a double standard there. I don't know why people
weren't more receptive. Well, again, this particular spot of people.
(06:31):
When you step outside of this and you look at
the real world and the big picture, people are very complimented.
The nonprofits are thankful to you, The people are thankful
to you. So it's just, you know, you can't have
it at all. You can't please all people, so we
focus on the ones you can.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, And I would rather live in this real reality
anyway where I am able to impact other people in
a positive way and get that feedback and not just
hide behind this facidey and preach one thing. I don't
know who knows, it's very rare for a narcissist to
admit that they're a narcissist, especially so publicly. So it's
(07:11):
just you know, I, like I said before, I really
wish Jack's the best in his recovery.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And that's it, exactly, And that's all you did from
the beginning. One other thing I will remind you of,
and I don't know if we talked about it or
not before, but if you google how the seat belt
came to be, it was an uphill battle for people
to get to recognize and to get cars to put
seat belts in cars. And it's that same sort of
an argument that Rome wasn't built in the day. So
you chip away for getting people to understand the mental
(07:41):
health needs to be talked about, the treatment is acceptable,
and that's what you're doing. So I think you pat
yourself on the back, and good for Jacks for talking
about it too, and good for him for going in
and that's all you can ask for. And at the
end of the day, it'll all sort of come to
light and hopefully we're chipping away at a much bigger
problem and you just want to be on the right
side that which I feel you are.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, okay, next headline. Ariana Maddox and Katie Maloney deny
any wrongdoing as they fire back at chef Penny lawsuit.
So Ariana and Katie recently open their sandwich shop Something
about Her following several delays. Despite receiving praise from Lisa
(08:22):
vander Pump, the shop has faced issues, including a lawsuit
from former chef Penny d v D. Penny alleges breaching
up a contract claiming she was promised a ten percent
profit share and a coo director of culinary title. Ariana
and Katie deny wrongdoing and are seeking to have the
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case dismissed or tried by jury.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Okay. In regards to this lawsuit, I am not a lawyer.
I don't know anything about the facts of this, nor
do I care to. But there's two things about this.
If it's in writing, it'll play it I mean it'll
it'll be easy. If it's not in writing, it's still
going to play itself out in court. The evidence is
where it's going to go. But the interesting part of
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this is that they're not it's not even about the
lawsuits so much is that they're trying to make this
play out in the public. Both sides are trying to
win the popular vote, if you will, and the public
opinion vote, because at the end of the day then
it doesn't matter what the verdict is. So if you
sway your fans and the public to thinking you're your
right and you didn't do anything wrong. And especially Ariana's
(09:30):
fans are they die They die hard, love her right,
and so they are going to go to battle for her.
So if she if all she's got to do and
Katie is put out, you know, their version of the
truth and be sincere in it, and the fans are
going to follow in love. And then at the end
of the day, whatever happens with the court verdict doesn't
even matter, right, Okay, From Chef Penny's perspective, it's the
(09:52):
same thing. She's like, if I can win, if I
can drop my receipts, if I can act like you know,
I'm she wins public opinion, and maybe she's swayed some people,
but at the end of the day, it's going to
be in court with what actually happens.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, So at this point, they're trying to get it dismissed.
Arianna and Katie are trying to get it dismissed, right,
So the judge will declare whether or not they have
a penny has grounds to move forward?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Correct, Yeah, And that's so that very first thing is
going to be who's got the most evidence to what
and the judge is going to say, Okay, there's enough
to proceed or there's not enough. This is what you
just went through in your case. They first wanted to see,
you know, what the proof is, what the evidence is,
what the position is, and then they'll make the decision
if it's if it should go forward because there's merit,
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or if it's a waste of time on the court.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So that's where they're at right now. So it's too
early to see because I haven't. They have a certain
amount of time to answer your complaint and react, and
then there's all sorts of legal ways that they stall
into everything else, which we've also experienced in your hurts.
But at the end of the day, it's going to
come down to who has the most proof, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
And then what about this angle, Juliet, how does celebrity
involvement in business ventures influence customer expectations.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
This is a very complicated scenario because it's different stages.
So number one, having a big, popular celebrity definitely drives
the audience's attention nothing. I mean, it is the fastest
way to get the attention and to get other headlines.
Now there's always that journalist that wants to go against
the grain and looks for the negative in it too,
(11:35):
So that's, you know, can always be a factor. The
other thing is when a celebrity is the face of
a brand, it's very hard for them to step away.
And if the brand depends on the celebrity, it's hard
to maintain the business because if that celebrity goes up
and down or it doesn't matter, the cachet of their
name is affected also, So in this case or cases
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like it, for it to withstand the test time, the
product is going to have to be good, the service
is going to have to be good, or it'll just
go away. As a quick celebrity venture, which don't get
me wrong, pop ups can be extremely successful. You go in,
you make a ton of money, and you get out.
And I think I said in the past that's what
I have a feeling that this is going to be
because I don't I don't know Ariana and I don't
(12:19):
know Katie. I believe they're both actresses. I know Arianna
started as an actress, and if her goal is to
continue on the trajectory she is, she's not going to
want to manage a restaurant, right, Like she's just she's not. Now,
there are celebrities that just put their name on something
and they have a good staff beneath them. Like Nashville,
(12:39):
the entire restaurant row is celebrity owned restaurants that management
teams go in and run and use that celebrity's name.
What yeah, yeah, like the whole Like every every big
country star has got a restaurant in Nashville, in the
strip in Nashville. And some of them are there actual restaurants,
some of them are management groups that license a name.
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So it's it's you know, it's a very big business
to use a celebrities name on a restaurant or a brand.
You just have to have experienced people that know how
to navigate and manage through using it because it can
be a blessing and it could be a curse. I mean,
look at Morgan Wallen when he threw the chair off,
like you know, now he's he's actually considered he could
(13:21):
do time. And so like if it was the Morgan
Wall and restaurant, you go and have a behavior like that,
what happens It takes it up. Look at what happened
with Tom and Tom's restaurant when this when scandalbal happened, right,
people wrote them hate mail and gave them bad reviews.
And it's very touchy. So you have to have an
experienced team that knows how to navigate with a celebrity name.
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So to the answer the question, yes, it most definitely
gives it a boost and helps to open the doors
and makes the headlines and then it's a matter of
handling it right to maintain it and avoid the negativity.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It feels like the goal in playing this reality TV
game and being a cast on a show like this
is to start a brand and to open up a
business with your name. We've seen it first demonstrated by
Lisa Vander Pump with Sir and Pump and then with
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Tom Tom. You know, Shorts and Sandoval got in on
that name and that restaurant, and then Shorts and Sandoval
opened up their own Shorts and Sandy's. It's interesting because
vander Pump Rules is ten years, ten plus years of
this reality TV game, and it's been so successful that
(14:38):
we really are seeing that next tier, idealized level of
where do you want to go from here? How are
you going to make this profitable for when this show
isn't on anymore? Because we all know it won't last forever.
There is a shelf life on it, and I think
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the name of the game is using your name to
make the most money as possible in the moment and
really capitalize on those big moment opportunities.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
The saying fifteen minutes of fame did not just come
around today, right, So these people know to capitalize on
the moment because it is fleeting and the most that
you can do, that's the smart move. It is write
your book, do your merch do a restaurant anywhere you
can good or bad. Do you know what I mean?
Like if people hate you, turn around and do like
(15:34):
a restaurant where people could throw darts at you. It
doesn't matter, right, Like, at the end of the day,
it's capitalized, not you the person, you the picture, whatever,
you know what I mean? Like, the idea is to
harness the emotion and get people to react and spend
money on it, which is why things like Instagram and
social media is so popular because it's that quick click
(15:54):
of the button. It's that quick like, it's the quick hate,
it's the quick reaction. So for sure everybody's to make
their fifteen minutes last.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
And it's also selling an experience, like the amount of
people that fly out to La just to go to
the vander Punk Crawl is insane, and it's only been
more and more people since the scandaal of it all.
When it's like a restaurant or some sort of institution
(16:21):
where you can go in person and either drink a
specific drink or like, I don't know, when you said
darts at a person, immediately I thought, like, I don't know,
throwing tomatoes at a cast member, you know, like James
Kennedy suggested. So yeah, it's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Would you ever attach your name to a business or
a restaurant on a How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I feel like a restaurant is way too much for
me to manage, But I could see myself attaching my
name to a product, like something that I personally enjoy
and something that I would probably like a clothing thing
or some sort of travel product or something like that,
or yoga.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
What are they called. Yeah, I think you're very in
that sort of ethereal place, and I think health and
wellness is a good area for you.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So I don't know, we'll see. That'd be cool. So
the next one, brock Davies makes a surprising remark about
moving back to New Zealand. This is from Bravo.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Okay, Well, look, I think it's very hard and probably
more so for men to be second in a relationship.
And I think he's trying to probably find his way
and find his niche. He's got a lot of baggage,
is mean, and I don't mean to be mean. He's
got a lot of stuff right that he has to
(18:00):
deal with, and so he looks as though he's trying
to take responsibility and make changes and do those things.
But you know, he's got to do whatever he's got
to do for his fifteen minutes. He's trying to, like,
you know, create his YouTube and do his building stuff
and maybe that turns into his niche, you know, good
for him. And he's competing with a definite a personality
(18:22):
in Alpha and she's been on this show from the
very beginning, and so I'm sure he's trying to find
his space within the TV world, and then he's got
to navigate his personal issues and try to build up
whatever relationships that he wants there. So, you know, look,
it's tough, and I'm sure you don't always think about it,
(18:42):
which you can speak firsthand to when you think being
on a reality show is going to be great, and
you think it's going to be fine, and then people
go real personal and get into areas that you may
never have thought that they're going to come to fruition
or dwell on, and then and you can lose control.
And so who knows if he thought his personal life,
(19:05):
his previous life was going to come to light or not.
Who knows if he wants, you know, how he feels
about that, how they feel about it. Maybe they don't
want to be attached to a reality It's a lot,
you know, it's nobody's somebody's fault. Nobody picks and shooses
how to navigate this stuff. And some people are really
good at it and some people aren't. So, if you know,
I think in this situation, he's constantly trying to compete
(19:26):
for a headline. He's trying to find his way on
the show. He's trying to be important in that relationship too,
And I don't know, it's a tough spot. I don't
have you know, I don't have much to say about
old Brock.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, it says as fans may recall, Brock was born
and raised in New Zealand, and he has two children
who live in Australia with their mom and stepdad. And
so if he's thinking about if he's thinking about moving
to New Zealand or Australia, I think those are both
beautiful places to live and like very ideal if you
(20:03):
want to like get out of the reality TV world.
I'm just thinking, like, how would that work with vander
pump Rules, because we've heard that they officially have been
picked up for another season, so the cast will be filming,
the original cast will be filming, So maybe this is
(20:24):
like in the future.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Not sure, would I mean, just being nice, I would
imagine that he's trying to re establish relationships there. I
don't know what his relationships are there, so I don't
want to pretend I do or act, but like you know,
if he's got kids there, he's gonna want to see
his kids, and he's got a kid here and a
wife here, so you know, maybe it's taking the family
back and maybe it's balancing and you know, when vander
(20:48):
Pump's not filming or I don't know, or it could
be framing in case he's maybe he's not wanting to
do the show anymore. I don't I don't know, or.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Maybe they're like vying for a spinoff, because I think
that's also the other goal of being a cast member
on a show, Like everyone not only wants their own
brand and business on something to market, but like the
spinoff thing is a huge aspiration. I believe it seems
(21:19):
like so and Brock and Sheena do document their life
via YouTube, and so I think that that wouldn't be
too far off if they're trying to pitch that.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
It's highly likely. Look, and with this cast as a whole, look,
I'll give them their due. They are driven, right, they
are driven to make those fifty minutes grow and grow
and grow, and they do a very good job of it.
And so, whether it's a spinoff, whether it's a travel show,
whether it's a get more likes on Instagram and YouTube,
because we're going to do a trip to Australia and
(21:52):
get somebody to sponsor it, get me all of the
above those things, and then on a human level, I'd
like to think he's you know, reconnecting with his kids
and integrating the families and you know, so that they
can live happily or after. But I don't. I don't
know who knows.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Okay, Yeah, the next headline Rock Davies's doctor has never
seemed sperm So good amid possible sergacy journey with Sheena Shay.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
First of all, IBS can be controversial, and so by
talking about it in a funny way, in a fun way,
you know, they put it out there instead of somebody
else exposing that they're doing IVF. Right, so you know, good,
he he's manly. I don't know what to say at
the end of the day, if they choose IVF. I
did IVF. I'm a huge pro IVF person and I'm
(22:46):
never going to say anything bad about it. And look,
she throws her eggs. She throws her eggs, throws their eggs,
so you know she has that option to She's probably
I think she's a little bit older now too, So
if that's what they want to do. I wish them great, great,
fucking good for him for being virile. I don't wan
to say that.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Okay, great, Okay, the next one. Gosh, we're talking a
lot about Sena and Barack and Jackson. This headline from
reality Blurb says Sena say there's more to why Jax
Taylor went to rehab. She commented on Jack Taylor's decision
(23:26):
to seek help for his bipolar disorder, suggesting that there
might be more to this treatment than he has revealed.
Shina mentioned that Jax is selling items belonging to his
strange wife, Britney Cartwright and their son Cruise on eBay
for under thirty dollars, including Britney's Jenny Craig tote bag
(23:49):
and Cruise's old items. I'm sorry, I'm laughing. I feel
like this article is ridiculous. Is this, Drew? Have we
heard about this?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well, we've heard about it, but you know, look, I
think this particular group of people too is very good
at manipulating the press and the articles and making something
out of nothing and the constant headlines. That's what they do.
And so I don't know if it's true or not.
I don't know if she's taking it. I think a
lot of people are taking the jabs at Jackson are
pro Brittany. And you know, there's a lot of rumors
(24:21):
swirling around why he went. There's a lot of rumors
swirling around, and some of them they just throw right
out there that you know, if somebody's cheated, or both
people have cheated, or someone's dating and said, it's it's
reality TV. So you know, I think that they will
do whatever it takes for the headlines. And you know,
they pick sides because it makes the drama. So you
(24:43):
know this, I don't have much thought about this article.
Then it's par for the course.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
My side there is just like, yeah, picking sides is
what this is all about, it seems you know.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, Well, if they're gonna all circ around her and
try to push him out or you know, they do
that sometimes and then sometimes there's a bridge to build
the relationships. And I don't know this one is this
one is a bit more game playing and posturing and
who knows what actually happened and we'll see the time.
(25:19):
I guess, well, Jax came out too, and like didn't
want them a part of the valley, So it also
could be a little bit of retaliation. Maybe too strong
of a word, but you know what I mean, tit
for tat Like if Sheen's out in this press talking
about Jax after Jack said he didn't want them on
that way, you know, it's that keeping it in the headlines.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
So look, here's another thing about this is you came
out and spoke on Jack's in a kind way, you know,
supporting and giving him, you know, props for going into treatment.
And then now Sheena and you got all sorts of
slack for being sincere and doing. Now Shena comes out
is kind of throwing them under the bus and talking
(26:02):
about I don't know, things maybe she shouldn't be talking about.
But what are people's reactions going to be there? Do
we think? Do we think people are going to get
the pitchforks against her or do they just let it
slide under the rud How does all that make you feel?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I don't know because I'm not looking at the comments,
so I'm not sure how the fan reactions are to
what she's saying. But I guess it just informs me
that I'm a very polarizing character in people's world, and
I think maybe still at this point, people are still
(26:37):
seeing red and are unable to hear what I'm saying.
So there's nothing I can really do about that.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I know, I think it's a no way institution, but
that's where you know, as a human and as somebody
who concentrates on taking care of their mental health, you
can't please all the people. You can't control the other people.
So as long as you live your life in ways
that make you happy and something you're proud of, then
you can't really worry about what other people say.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, okay, this one Colleider. Okay, collider. Collider says September
twenty twenty four, Rachel Levis wants attention, they say. Rachel
(27:28):
has been the subject of intense scrutiny since her time
on vander Pump Rules. Introduced during season five as James
Kennedy's girlfriend, she faced criticism from other cast members and fans.
Her controversial affair with Tom Sandoval, which became known in
season ten, led to widespread backlash and the end of
(27:49):
her stint on the show. After facing severe hate online,
Rachel checked into a mental health facility where she reflected
on her actions and claimed that returning to the show
would hinder her healing process. Despite her vows to distance
herself from Vanderpump Rules, Rachel continues to discuss the show
(28:10):
and its cast on her podcast, Rachel Goes Rogue and
through social media. She has even expressed mixed feelings about
her past relationships with the cast, notably missing her friendship
with Sheena Shee while disliking James Kennedy. Okay. Rachel's contradictory
statements about avoiding reality TV while frequently addressing it, have
(28:36):
led to speculation that she might be seeking attention. She
has also publicly supported Jax Taylor, another former vander Pump
Rules star, who recently shared his mental health struggles, although
their relationship was not friendly during their time on the show.
Rachel's action suggests a struggle between her desire for privacy
(28:59):
and her own ongoing involvement in the reality TV world.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Okay, can we like just dig right into this right here?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yes? Please?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Did you ever stay that you wanted full and complete
and total privacy and to step away from that? Did
you ever actually say that.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Well, I do want privacy now that I'm getting it.
It's more so like stepping away from a toxic environment
and prioritizing my mental health in that aspect, and I'm
not sure how many times I need to address this
before I sound like a broken record. I probably already do,
(29:41):
and so like, I don't want to continue saying it
for the people that understand and do listen to my podcast,
because that can get annoying. But this has been a
part of my life for many, many years. I do
have insight into the realities of reality TV, and I'm
(30:01):
not afraid to break the fourth wall, where as you know,
the cast members that are still in it want to
keep up a certain image and there's a game that
is being played. And when I'm talking about jaxx Taylor,
we're talking about mental health and that is something that
I am passionate about and something that I bring to
(30:25):
the discussion through my podcast and sharing my personal journey,
because I mean, you guys, I have been programmed by
this show to share my personal life. So I don't
know what else you expect from me, but like I guess,
this is what I know how to do, and it's
(30:46):
something that I feel fulfilled in doing. When I can
help other people by sharing my story, even if it
is one person, then I feel like I'm accomplished. In
some sort of way, and that this isn't all for nothing,
that there is some good that can come from this.
I really don't know what else to say besides that,
(31:08):
and I don't want to harp on it any longer.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You know what it's framing, okay, because at the end
of the day, I can take that article and I
can say, here's a girl that was lived her life
her twenties on reality TV, realized it was toxic, decided
she doesn't want to put herself through that environment anymore
because she can't control the narrative and they were controlling
her story. So she's left. She's doing a podcast. She's
talking about her experience, the good, the bad, the ugly,
(31:32):
what she's learned, had to go in to get treatment
for mental health, come out the other side stronger and
sharing it with everybody. And so she wants to use
the voice in the platform she has to help other people.
And yes, she still touches on bandar Pump rules because
it's a large part of her life. And to me,
it's really that simple and you're taking control of it
(31:53):
doing it your way, yes, but people want to spin
it as well. If you really you should have come
back to the show if you had something to say, why,
Because you're doing it on your terms, right, not theirs.
In my opinion, this is just it's spent. It's a
perspective it's taking and we just spun in a different way.
And if people don't like it, then they don't listen
(32:13):
and they don't tune in. You can't please everybody, but
the people that are tuning in and are having conversations
that run up to you on the street and say,
great job, you did the right thing. You are taking
care of your mental health first. You know, that's where
we choose to put our attention. It's spin and you
can have both. You can not be on a reality show,
(32:34):
and this is amazing, you can still talk about a
reality show, Nick Vile. All these other people that are
making their livelihood talking about other people's reality shows. They
don't even have the experience on the show. But yet
you're supposedly in the wrong because you're not on the show,
but you're talking about the show, although you lived on
(32:54):
the show for a long time. So it's just been Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I think it's also funny too. When I've first announced
that I was starting a podcast and the season was
coming out. People were saying, like I think it was
Nick File was saying like, oh, she better not do
a recap podcast because like she needs to leave that
to us, like the nick Files of the world and
(33:18):
the up and Autumns of the world. And it's like, Okay, no,
I'm not planning on doing a recap. But you know
who did do that is Tom Sandoval. His whole podcast
was recapping each episode and not providing anything of substance.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
In my eyes, I think you've said it so many
times and again, we don't need a harpot it or whatever.
But at the end of the day, you're doing something
a little deeper than those recaps, and you're doing something
that ties in your experience with helping others, and that's
why you chose to do it. And I don't remember
a time where you declared you wanted to have, you know,
stay out of the spotlight for the rest of your life.
(33:56):
That's it's irrelevant if you do or you don't. You
might at one point yes, one point no, But you
are talking about your life experiences, how it impacted you,
helping others learn from it, learning yourself from it, And
so I happen to feel that it's a very nice perspective.
And this has just spin. It's just you know, taking
the negative route, and why because it gets people talking
(34:17):
about it.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, and two things can be true at once. I
can be like dealing with this internal battle of how
much do I share with the public and seeing my
privacy as something that's sacred to me and still wanting
to share to relate to other people. It's just this
(34:39):
new thing that I'm learning boundaries and I'm learning how
to navigate that because beforehand I really didn't have many boundaries.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You shed a lot of light on that, and I
think that's help for a lot of people. And look,
at the end of the day, podcasting could be fun, right,
And you've getting a lot of people that are appreciative
of the work you're doing, what you're talking about and
the stories you're telling in a perspective that they hadn't
thought about from five years ago on the show. And
you know what, if those people weren't listening, if those
(35:08):
people weren't bringing up questions and people weren't, then okay,
but they are. So you know what, you're enjoying doing something,
you're reflecting, you're doing it in a way to help others.
I just, you know, people just trying to take shots
at you. It just is, you know, because they're still
trying to attach to the controversy of the Rachel.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, I guess I mean in a way, I guess
we could look at it as a positive thing because
no matter what I do, people want to talk about
what I'm doing, and so at least my voice is
being heard. And if people are interested in knowing more
(35:48):
information and are intelligent enough to like dig in deeper
to get more context to the situation, then they know
where to go to get that.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You want to talk about Laala's really.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Quick vander pump Roles is Lala Kent gives first look
at daughter Sosa. Oh yeah, I saw that cute little
baby photo two weeks ago. On September third, I welcomed
my second baby, girl, Sosa Kent. I've been open about
my dream of this moment. At ten thirteen pm, the
(36:23):
moment came true. The vander Pumper Roles star shared a
video of herself and labor ahead of welcoming her little one.
She also shared a close up photo of Sosa sleep
and surrounded by a white blanket. My little dream baby
entered the world. I'm completely in love with her. We
all are. Kent continued, Sosa, you have no idea what
(36:47):
you have brought into my life. I'm blessed to call
myself your mama. Welcome to our crazy world, booboo. We
are so happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Well, firstly, I think we congratulally right and good for
her for she didn't have a partner at the moment
she wants another baby. Good for her for doing it.
I'm all for that. I think it's very interesting noting
that she's brought this child into the vander Pump crazy
world of it, the reality TV part of it. I'm
(37:19):
a little conflicted on that sometimes because you like, you
want to share things about your kids and your family,
but on the other hand, like how much and do
they they didn't choose to do that? Are they going
to grow up and be angry at you for putting
them in that situation? I don't know. It's a tough one.
And I I mean, you see there's a lot of
these influencer families and people go after them and they're like,
(37:41):
did your kids choose that? And are they getting paid
for their time? And you know, there's a lot of
controversy around it right now, what used to be, you know,
you would share in a baby book and then you
would share by texting it. Now you share it on
the socials. But if the kids don't ask for that,
it's it is pretty challenge. And you know, people the
(38:03):
media platforms can use those photos, so that's discomforting as
a parent. So look, I don't actually have an answer
to this. I think some people use their kids as
a prop some people use it as a storyline. Some
people truly believe that by sharing everything it's like a
gift outward. I don't know, it's tough. I think once
(38:27):
you open Pandora's back, you can't close it, So that's
kind of tough. And again you're taking a choice away
from the kid. But I don't know, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
It says? Well, let me just continue reading this and
then I'll give you my thoughts. The reality star welcomed
her first daughter with ex fiance Randall Emmett in March
twenty twenty one. While the couple split that October, Kent
has remained vocal about wanting to expand her family. I
definitely want to have another baby, Kent exclusively told US
(38:58):
Weekly two months after Welcome Ocean. It doesn't have to
be right away because I'm just so in love and
I want to enjoy Ocean for as long as possible.
It's like clock is ticking, you better have another baby. Also, yes,
congratulations to.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Laala and her.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
New addition to her family. I think it is, you know,
with the Randall situation. Randall is not a proponent of
having their daughter on Vandrpump Rules, and so he would
not let Laala have her first baby, Ocean on the show,
(39:41):
which I think that's taking something away from Laala, like
that she really wants because she has committed herself to
this show and committed herself to sharing her life for
other people. I think that that is probably I mean,
she already wanted to have more than one kid, which
(40:04):
is great, but I think it was probably a big
motivation for her to have another child without Randall involved
at all, because that gives her more power and control
over her situation. Not even Randall, but like any man.
She had a donor fertilize her egg and it's one
(40:26):
hundred percent hers, so she gets to call the shots
and she gets to decide how this baby is going
to navigate in her world.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
As an only child, I can speak to sharing being difficult.
And then as a mom you know, and a type
a personality, I want all the control and decisions too,
But that is not when you're married or when you
are parents and you have you know, another parent. That's
not the real world. So in this situation, she now
(40:56):
has that. So but it will be interesting because if
she's doing it because she want, I mean not doing it.
I don't think she got pregnant how baby just for TV.
But but if she's like looking at that she can
put Sosa on but Ocean can't. That's going to create
an interesting dynamic too for them, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So true.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
So you know, and again I'm not taking anything away
from her. And now people don't comme at me for this,
but let's just say in her mind, that's going to
be a much better storyline for the Valley or motherhood.
That opens up branding opportunities for brands. And you know there,
I don't put anything best to anybody in this world.
But you know, let's say she gets to open that
(41:37):
world for Sosa but she doesn't for Ocean. There's just
potential issues. But you know what, she's just going to
have to do her best as a mom to balance
all those things and do what's right for her and
those kids. And that's all. I'm sure her intentions are
to do make a living for their family, and you know,
she's got to do what she's got to do to
do that. She's a single mom now of two kids,
so she's she's got to make those fifteen minutes last
(42:00):
as long as she can because that is her revenue
and that's the livelihood for her family.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, I think she has successfully done that already.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
I think she's a tough cookie too.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, she is. She's the toughest cookie on the block.
Thank you for coming on, Julia and giving your pr expertise,
And thank you guys for listening to Rachel Goes Rogue.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
You're welcome to see you later.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Thank you so much for listening to Rachel Goes Rogue.
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