REPLAY - Chris Brown - R&B Money

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
R and B money, Honey, we are.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Than think about the child. We are the authority on
all th R and B ladies and gentlemen. My name
is Tank, and this.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Tell them what it is. Ship.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Yeah, hold on, hold on, yeah, motherfuckers, Oh, motherfucking yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I'm not gonna do long intro.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know why why because the people have been asking,
not asking for two interview, demanding the interviews, threatening two interviews.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
One was Jesus and the other was christ.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, ship ship.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'm gonna be round right now, y'all can't funk with us?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Go ahead. I remember, I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I remember walking into the studio on your second album
and you're saying, big bro out, I want you to
get on. I'm like, okay, cool, you know, come up there.
You know, probably gonna help you, right, help you, help
you really put the ship together. You know what I'm saying,
because that's what I do, and help you put your
ship together. You know what I'm saying. I'm on a
high level. You know, I'm a high level producer, writing
and singer. You know you probably need me. I'm on

(01:32):
the way. And I get in there and you play
this song called take My Time, and you said, yeah,
big brother, got I got. I kind of modeled it
off after Sexual Pain and it's already good. You just
you just sing your verse, right, this is your verse.
And I was like, so he doesn't need.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
And bro.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
It was like the craziest I'd never seen a learning
curve that small to where a first album, it was
like people were giving you things.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
Yeah, had to learn that was like school.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
And by your second album you had already figured it out.
And it was scary to see. I was like, where's
he gonna be on his third album? Where's he gonna be?
And now too many years later, now it's just records

(02:30):
being broken. Now you're just breaking your own records.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
I'm trying to set againness world records and it's not
even it's not even close.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
You know what I'm saying. We like to start to begin.
I just had to start there because I just I
just when I felt like I wasn't needed anymore musically,
I just kind of.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Myself.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
But I called him I was like being broken on
the record. So it was like I didn't feel the
record at that time. It would be like me stealing
a record from you. What I'm saying that I didn't
involve you in the record because I'm like, I was
inspired by your song to do the song. So I
was like, let me now get on the record with me,
bro Like, and I can talk. I can talk a
little bit more adult now on the song because I'm older,

(03:11):
you know, before I had to learn him like, oh,
I can't say that, I can't say this. And then
by the time, like even working with you from Kerry Hillson,
I Donnis, you know, like working with all these different writers,
Dre and Dal all of them, like back in the day,
I was fifteen fourteen doing that album, my first album.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Man, that's that was like learning. So like I said,
I was in school, like Okay, this is how you
do it. This is how you make a song. There's
a verse a pre course, and I didn't know none
of that.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
So you learned that over a summer, bro.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Man, That's what it felt like.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
That's what it felt like.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
I felt like that it took me to the place
of being where I was the teacher. It took me
to a place of being reverting back to a student.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Damn. Like watching him work like that, I was like, okay,
he different. No, we literally like and.

Speaker 7 (03:52):
I don't know if we've ever told you this, but
we've literally worked with you, got in the car and
then implement it some of the ship you do.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Bro, you may look at us like the big brother.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
No, Nigga, we've literally worked with you and been like, nigga,
did you watch out he and then he did.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
His vocal this way.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
Oh yeah, like you know we're paying attention. Yeah, that's sporadic.
How how we record? Like I learned, remember how everybody
used to have to record like we have to punch.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
No, it was really no punching.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
You had to sing that whole work, right, So once
technology got faster, I was like, we can still do
the same amount of effort as far as you remember.
How how how do my stack? So how it's it's
faster to me because it's like in section and I
can just put them all together and then it looks
like a painting.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
So that's what I was kind of learning.

Speaker 6 (04:45):
So if y'all, if y'all implemented certain ship, I'm like, damn,
y'all was looking at what I was doing.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'm stealing.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
I used to.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
A great word.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
You know what I'm saying, Thank you stealing. I'm at
the house like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
How we get that?

Speaker 2 (05:03):
How do we get that? I ain't gonna do the dance?
Moved to go over and slow it down a little bit,
like I ain't.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Make it do that.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
He's here now, Chris is here, So Chris Brown. That's
Nigga Brown. Just so you know, that's Nigga Brown over there.

Speaker 7 (05:17):
And he always mentions you when he mentions his dance
move for some odd reason.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Because you have to understand, I'm the older version of
Chris Brown. Since this genuine won't do the dances. You
know what I'm saying, I tell the nigga the nigga
first of all, come on, due to the fucking pony dance.
He won't do the fucking pony dance. So it upsets me.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I won't do it.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
So now I got to pick up the mantle. I
gotta go back to my freaky days. You know what
I'm saying. Video I'm doing summersaults. You know what I'm saying.
I'm blowing up fucking buildings. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I got to go back to those days just to
show people I'm really that.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, So what are you telling you? Is he was
Yusie for you.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is, don't
don't think I ain't got feet.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Y'all got I got feet.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
They don't all work the same.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
No, Brown, that's going to be too left feet. But
it's the left them.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Let's go to the beginning, the beginning of when when
did somebody identify that you had something special?

Speaker 6 (06:20):
Or when did you I mean, as you know, like
I think I was like probably about nine when I
was like, Okay, I actually can sing. I was in
the choir and I was like, oh, they gave me
the leads and I was like I'm seeing people like
yeah baby when I sing church Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, oh,
I really sound good to these people because you know,
your family members always hate man, shut up, you don't

(06:40):
sound like So I really took a series like nine
to ten, and then my mom was we were in
Tappa handing, and I was like, look I met these people.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
We just got to drive like an hour and a
half away, Like you met the people.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
Yeah, I met him. I met the people through through
through like one guy. I met him through like three
different people. So I maintained a close relationship with a
guy that was around my age, and we and we
always did music, but he would he would always dance.
So he'll take me to like the radio shows, like, look,
let's go up to the radio station while they doing
like they knew artist stuff. Let's let's see if we
can slide in there and we just play our stuff

(07:12):
and we just dance.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
So I hung with him, and then he got noticed
by like.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
Troy Taylor's people and a group of different different uh
like guys that that they knew around the Virginia area.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
So from there we.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
Started working and then I met the people I met
in New York and so now that was like all
in like a three to four year process. But it
was like as soon as I said, Mom, want to
do this, it was like basketball practice. Okay, drive I
don't know what You're in the studio till six in
the morning, Drive back nine to eight and what age
shit ten?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Eleven?

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Oh man, yeah ten, shout out to yeah mama.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Mama.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
Mama was son the vision she and she made sure
I still went took my ass to school. But at
the same time, she was like, all right, if you
want to do this, you're gonna have to have the
same discipline and you can't be slacking off on certain shit.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
So I got too.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
Much energy as it is, So I was like, shit,
I'm not feeling I'm finna do this.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
So people writing songs for y'all like producing songs. Yeah,
a group, like what's going on?

Speaker 5 (08:08):
Uh? Well, I was never.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
I was never in a group. The only group I
was in was with my boy TJ. Shout out to TJ.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
Free him. Uh but for him, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
He'd be out in the buy it some time. But
back in the day, he was the rapper, you know
what I'm saying. And I would get on the songs
with him and just be on the courses like you know,
do hooks and stuff. And we would write little stuff
and it really won't like good at the time when
we was young, but it was for our age.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
It was like exceptional, Like okay, y'all got your potention.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Remember he was man.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Fans my my rap name. So he was TJ nice
and see sizzle he was. He was a sizzle man.

Speaker 6 (08:50):
It was I was playing basketball, so sa sizzle was
a word you can say.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Back then, I wouldn't be hurricane and he he niggas
would have never.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Made the hell out we would have made it get
him out of here.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
I would have been the punk ass executive y'all come
sing probably man, if you don't get sizzled and hurricane
the funk.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Out of here.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Man again, bro, look at R and B.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Look what R and B is done for y'all too, Man,
what was the next level up? When it was like?

Speaker 2 (09:23):
When was it like, Okay, this ship is getting serious
or we found a record or we found a moment
where so when I started, pros are starting now.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
So I had my first I think it got serious
to me when I booked my and this had nothing
to do with music at the time, but because we
showcased our musical talent, we booked the job. It was
for a g unit campaign, right, and so like I
was like, you know what, fifty c hes gonna.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Be able to see it. He gonna be at the
vote at the shoot. We can give him my demo.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
We could sing, you know, the typical like y'all want
to get signs ship. So we actually did that audition.
They was like, man, you kids are phenomenal, and they
booked us. Boom, we got there. We went, we backstage
with all of them, like but I never really hung
with fifty at that time. He just was always respectful,
like what's up y'all boom, But we was around Lloyd
Banks a couple of different.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
Guys, but we were bad little kids. Like you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
We already had weed and ship like, so we was like,
we're trying to smoke our weed on the side.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
They're like, man, what y'all doing, and so like nah,
we wrapped and we see. So we started.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
Performing with them and then they was like you know what, man,
y'all niggas is dope. And then I remember one niggas
like man, but we don't know how to fuck markt No,
damn kids, we some gangsters.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
So I was like, so I was like, damn, Like
I understood it.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
But it was just like, Okay, this ship is about
to be real for us because other artists actually looking
and that not saying the typical art that's cool, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
So like real real artists who do.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
And people were looking up. There was the hottest group
at the time, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (10:47):
So like for us that was like seeing seeing gods,
like okay, cool, we get to see all our all
our idols in one and they like our stuff. And
then from there our demo tapes started going out, like
we had a but I was only how I discovered
I had a solo song that I did.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
It's called Whose Girl Is that? You can go look
at her YouTube.

Speaker 6 (11:05):
I was like, I think I was twelve or thirteen
when I shot it, So this was yeah, so so,
but it was like back then, you know that was that.
It was like the bootleg videos, you know how man,
it's gotta be two thousand and what three?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Might it might have been on DVD? I thought I
thought it might have been on VHS.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
No, no, no, we had we had it on the debut.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
If it was VHS, I would be like, oh you
heard the the popping before the videos stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
But when we did we did the video like it
wasn't It wasn't really expensive, but you know, because it
was independent, we was like, okay, cool, we're gonna we're
gonna shoot it like this. And the demo tape actually
the video didn't even go out because we didn't have
no platform to put it on. We would just ship
ship it or shop it with our demos. So the
demo I was number seven out of a song of
maybe like twenty eight, but with seven different or seven

(11:56):
or eight different artists.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
It was like a damn mixtape mixed up.

Speaker 6 (12:00):
So but basically they were shopping it out to other
labels to see and I remember Tina Davis to this
day shout out to Teena Davis. She she listened to
the songs like who's this kid? And then I want
to meet this kid? And that's when I went to
death Jam and she had to meeting with us, and
then from there they wanted to sign us, and then
you know, a merger happened. She left and I was like,

(12:21):
hold on, but Tina, you listened to me first, so
could you you want to manage me? I don't got
no manage You're like, She's like cool, but you want
to stay here or I can get you some other deals?

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I said you, So does the company get the deal
and you're part of that deal.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
So what it was was the company did a deal
with me.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
When I ended up signing with with job at the time,
the company, we we just paid them out for the
work that they already did and then we gave them
points on the album and they would Yeah. So they
always get credited so that that that classic album, they're
always going to eat from it, you know what I'm saying.
So the way I looked at it was it was
cool because they didn't hold me into a nah, you

(12:56):
gotta be like this we get we taking your publishing,
they need all this.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
They didn't.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
They didn't strong arm at all because and they believed
in the dream, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
To this day.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
TJ's father was the guy who really put it together.
So me and TJ are brothers, even with his kids
with everything. So it's like, how how I looked at
it was like, damn, they gave me a shot and
they let me.

Speaker 7 (13:15):
They let me do what I needed to do because
there have been labels that have held artists and you
never get a chance to see if an artist is
going to become a star because they're just trying to
do what they consider to be business instead of actually
caring about the artists.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
And then Mark Pitt's how they did it with us.
With Mark pitts uh, the actual production company I was
working with.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
They they brought me right to Mark Pits with Tina.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
So when we went to a job, they was like
you know what, we don't want to let y'all leave
the building. Like and I built a bigger rapport with
Mark out of any other A and R that I
would meet, Like, you know, Kevin Loules was cool as hell,
but like Mark Pitts was like more young. He was energetic,
like he was like, hey man, let's and you know,
job had everybody too. They had Britney Spears, Aaron Carter

(14:00):
at the time, recipes, uh r, Kelly, they had everybody,
you know what I'm saying. So I'm looking like who
who's going to be the best for the genre that
I'm doing?

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Who's going to be the best R and B genre?

Speaker 3 (14:10):
You're already thinking about that fourteen?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (14:12):
Because I needed. I needed.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
I always always wanted to execute a plan and know
that it comes with a lot of shit, Like you
know what I'm saying, Like I'm not okay, I'm not
gonna just do this right now to get some girls
and then go back home. Anything I could do to
not go back home, like you know what I'm saying,
To elevate my life, I think I planned. I'm very imaginative,
so so my my what is it called? My manifestations

(14:36):
were already like years in advance, like I want to
do this so you know.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
So you said Tina Davis shout out to Tenna Davis
shout out to the area. Yeah, yeah, what's your when
you get with Tina Davis?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
What is what is?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
First of all, you spoke on it just like a
little bit in terms of you saying like something was
something about her made sense for you in terms of saying,
you know, I want to roll with you. Yeah, what
was that thing that you just connected with that just
made you like because that's a different type of because
you already in a building.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
Yeah, I feel like, well she did.

Speaker 6 (15:13):
She really kind of like showed me the first the
first ten minutes of me being in the office because
we came in there. Me and TJ came in there
red rags on beads like I hadn't read to get it.
We came, we came on some gangs, trying to look tough.
She's like, take that shit off, take all that off.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
Boom boom.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
And when we when I started performing, she would be like,
stop do this when you perform, act like that. This
person the only person.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
So she gave me direction that i've that I've never experienced,
and I was like, this is the sharpening that I
need in order to be big. You gee what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
So once once she did that, I was like, damn,
she believed in me and gave me a chance with
somebody could have they could have just let me go
out how I thought it.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Was gonna be.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
And then it was they were like, we don't want this.
You know what I'm saying. We don't want this kid.
She shaped it.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
So I was like, you know what, I don't want
to I don't want to traverse through this whole kind
of thing and not know where the fuck I'm going
that right there. I want to see if she wants
to manage me or be a part of it, because
she she kind of like opened the spark up in
my in my creative brain or seeing what I really
needed to be.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
And I think the reason I was asking you that
is because as as like, just as new artists emerged,
I think, you know, we see we see new artists
with this with definitely a great level of confidence. But
I want artists to make sure they're putting themselves in
a position with people that challenge them, Yeah, challenge them
to be better.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
What is it called what we conditioning, not conditioning like
when we were younger. You have to go through artists
development development, That's what it was.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
So so as far as what we have to do
is like you got to go through media training. You
gotta go.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
You got to know how to answer a question, like
you got to know how to think about lost art.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
To lead the interview. Yeah, like there they have a goal.
But I have a fucking call, right, I got ship
that I'm selling exactly. Okay, what question you asked me.
We don't get back to this fucking if I promise you.
That takes preparation, though, that takes preparation. And I remember
my first time meeting you in New York. I think
you're like fourteen, maybe.

Speaker 7 (17:18):
About to be fifteen, at Ethiopia's office when she was
in publishing at the time at the Universal Music Publishing Company,
and I was there on the writing trip, and I
never forget he walked in there. She said, it's a
kid you got to meet. She's like, you have to
meet him. She's like he only in here for minute,
but you got to meet him. And she brought you
to that room and I literally, like you said, within

(17:41):
five ten minutes, I was like, oh, he about to
be the biggest on the road.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
He was in the writing room.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
I was in the little writing room. I was in
a little writing room. I was like, Yo, whoever the.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Fuck that is that nigga? Everybody in trouble.

Speaker 7 (17:56):
She's like, you know how that she is because she
was signing you from a publishing seat. She was working
with you on that, so you know, of course it's
it's kind of one of those and you know this
stage where everybody everywhere you're going before you crack off,
your auditioning everywhere pretty much just in your personality whatever
it is. So when I tell her, she's like, yeah,
I think you start. I'm like, yo, he got it.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
It's like he has it.

Speaker 7 (18:19):
And I hadn't seen anything like that because to me,
you were already even at fourteen fifteen, in my opinion,
you were already in the space of, oh, he's going
to be able to transition into an adult artist too,
even though you hadn't put out none of your kid record.
I saw it with you and just from your personality back,

(18:41):
you know, but what they used to call call it
managed nigga, he was managed.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yeah. I was looking at everything with a skirt. Who
that what's the name? That's the country you want? It
starts early in the country. Yeah, you grow fast and fastest.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
So you're making when you get with you.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Now you start making rounds right because you you made
you made heavy rounds very early that most most new
artists don't get to make.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
You know what I'm saying. And you made a stop
at the underdogs.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Oh yeah, facts, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
And I'm looking at this little nigga, I'm like, okay.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
I was nervous too.

Speaker 6 (19:27):
I ain't a lot going in there with y'all because
you gotta think I'm still learning singing, like it's still
I had a natural talent, but like to be in
there and and here y'all running scales all that.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
I'm in there sweating. But I'm not going to let you.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
You weren't scared. You was going back with us, though.
He was like dar devil. Look at him. I'm like,
can you dance? He said, yeah, nigga. I was like
you then, I think it was a DVD or type

(20:02):
of something, and I said.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
That showed you the whole I say, that's when we
did the little school runs and I was showing you
like the performance.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Said oh you you can, damn.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
I'm just I'm just trying to find a win. I'm like,
can you hoop niggas? Yeah, nigga, I can hoop? Yeah,
let's And it was like at every turn it was like.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
This nigga is different. This nigga do everything. He sings,
he danced, he hoop, he manish. I love this nigga
and not to speed forward.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
But there was a point where I was like, Okay,
first you get a hear record, let's start there.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Out the gate, out the gate. There was no sputter
for you at all.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
I was. I was just surprised though I was.

Speaker 6 (20:58):
I was like, I didn't even realize how big the
record was gonna be.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Like not to kill it now.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
But I hated the record because I was doing R
and B R and B songs, so like Scott's stories,
I was like, man, I don't know what a hit is,
so I'm not gonna tell him that this is not.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
A hit, right, And he got a gang of hits.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
So I sat in there like, man.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I don't really like this.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Saw me in Miami.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
I'm trying to tell teen and all them like I
don't think this is fun. Me this song, ain't. We
got so many other songs like the your song.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
The your song. I'm like, so.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
I'm thinking all of that type because I wanted to
be more, more vulnerable or not, but I also wanted
to kick ass on the dance and I wanted to
show off that.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
So they was like, nah, trust me, this is it
put it out and I didn't.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
When it blew up, I said, what the It's like,
I'm still in like, what is it called imposter syndrome?
To this day, I still know the feeling of how
I felt when that shitent crazy.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
So when you do your difference, we went by that
because I always asked this question. And at this point
you're like fourteen fifty fifteen, you get to do did
they let you touch the money?

Speaker 1 (22:11):
So?

Speaker 6 (22:11):
How I did it? See a lot of people don't know.
I didn't get signed for like you know how people
get signed for. Oh, I got signed for me and
eight men. Back then it won't so I got signed
for like one hundred and fifty k, right and so
and then from there, because I was under age, my
mom was in control of it, but most of it.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Would be like a trust yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
The Cooglan account, Yeah, Cooglan Acount, so I wouldn't be
able to touch it.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
So obviously we could.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
She could go and withdraw stuff if I wanted to
make purchases or I wanted to do stuff.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
But nah, I still was every bit of a teenager
that they made me.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
So as a teenager, what's the what's the first thing
you buy?

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Oh? Do you escalate? Bro?

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Off the deal?

Speaker 5 (22:49):
That's what you got? No, you know what it was?

Speaker 6 (22:51):
Was it an escalator? And it was like an I
don't know if it's not. It might have been escalator
or for Ford something.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
I remember. It's a big truck. It's been a while.

Speaker 6 (23:00):
I had the Lamborghini doors on it, and like I
put the doors that come up, like your first your
first car.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Had Lamborghiny doors. This is getting I was about to get.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
I swear I was about to get a Honda Civic. Bro,
I was about to get a put put that was
gonna be my first car.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
But it's like it's definitely your uncle.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
God, you definitely got to be real related.

Speaker 6 (23:26):
So sure, because I was gonna do with the suicide
man the butterfly doors. Yeah, bro, Like I'm from I'm
from partial South, like Virginia is the South.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
But you know what I'm saying, So you don't just
listen to what DC Maryland? Like what d C and Maryland?
They mirror the South. Yeah, period like we mirror everything south.
There was like we went through East Coast phase with
Biggie and but we mirror.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
The last money was it Tappahannock?

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Definitely just cash money?

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (24:03):
You?

Speaker 1 (24:03):
You?

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (24:06):
Everybody?

Speaker 3 (24:07):
You know your purchase is the best one that we've had.
What nigga, that's sixteen you bought?

Speaker 6 (24:13):
But I had the amps in the back too. I
had like I ain't gonna lie. I took out the
whole back seat. It's like it was like six six
sixteen and.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Knocking, locking fuga.

Speaker 6 (24:26):
I was in Virginia thinking, I was, you know, you.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Pull up on that skating ring with that Oh god,
it's first hit record. What changes for you in your mind?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Now? I mean now it's not now it's not guesswork.
Now things are like this is what I do. Now,
Things are automatic. Now, things are like it's more so
what I need I can get.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
It kind of was like you know when the kid,
when I could just go to the movies with my
homeboys because I did everything as a as a regular kid,
you know what I'm saying, even being in Harlem to
be in Virginia like I did, like regular, so I
was used to being around people and being in an environment.
As soon as that song went crazy, I couldn't go nowhere.
I couldn't go to the mall. Like if I walked
outside of the neighborhood that I was in, it would

(25:10):
be people running down the street like so I was
still in Virginia. No, Well, and Jay took me out
of Virginia as soon as as soon as I shot
the deal, like I think my record came on. I
was in tenth grade when my song came out and
when I got my record deal. So and I didn't
leave school until after my song had already hit the radio.
So they's like, we got to pull them, we gotta,
we gotta get him out of there. So then from there,

(25:31):
I went from Virginia to Jersey, so so I could
be closer to uh New York. But I couldn't even
walk down the street there like I was. We would
literally have.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
To drive in the garage every time we come home
and shut the door. So nobody knows.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
What's the what's the mindset?

Speaker 7 (25:45):
Of that for you as this sixteen year old, fifteen,
sixteen year old kid, Like, how does it? Because that's
the one thing it's bro, And I know, I know
he can attest to this because we are all so
close and we've we've all known each other for so long.
We have so many conversations that come to us about you, right,

(26:07):
and my things always been.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
I can't tell him.

Speaker 7 (26:12):
I can only tell him so much because I haven't
had that experience. And that's a very real thing that
I think people have never truly taken into account that, Bro,
this has been your life since fifteen years old. Like,
just tell me if you can remember that as being
like a fifteen year old, Like, yo, they're pulling me
out of school, I can't go outside, I can't go

(26:34):
to the movies.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
You know, it's a lot of kid no more because
of my challenging spirit. I like challenges.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
It was amazing thing because I be real because guess
what if Well, now I'm gonna look at the bright side.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
I ain't got to be in school. I ain't got
to be I could do my I got a two do.
I don't got to be there. I could do. I
can go out. Did you finish. I'm going Yeah I did,
if you did, but I ain't gonna lie. I took
the first two years off.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Of high school though college.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
Yeah so I was originally supposed to be the class seven.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I'm kind of yeah, so so technically you two years
younger to.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
Yeah, I'll take it ship.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
But yeah, man, it was so for you adjusted to it. Yeah,
it wasn't and it would be fun. I would still
do regular ship. I would just make sure I have
my niggas around, like my homeboys, some of them being school.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
I go to their school.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
So my cousin just on a Friday, hey, y'all, come
outside the girls, I saw them screaming. Then after that
they come back to school on Monday.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
They the man in school, you know.

Speaker 6 (27:38):
So I used to go to the mall ship bo
Bo did this ship too, like shout out to Bow.
But we used to go to the mall, and I
did it by myself, just to see what it was.
I used to go to the mall and just go
to one store it's popping in Virginia and like, hey
that's and then take off running and wait, you would
run before it even gets started.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Take We did this a man and it worked. I'm
talking about they would table chase you was running out
of man's land.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I was running out.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
I was at I think Virginia Center comments. That's what
it was we used to go to, and then I
used to be at I used to go with what
was it up against the wall.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
It was another dtail all detailer. Yeah, said yeah, I'll
be right there. They had to ship there, man, what
all the girls being there? So and then I go
in there and start with my homeboys to come with me,
and then I see just so they'll notice who I am,
like just on some young ship.

Speaker 7 (28:33):
Then they'll be like, hold on, that is here's some
R and V ship, R n V ship. Nigga can't
just bust out rapping, look around and.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
Facts.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
It worked, absolutely worked. Okay, here here, here's what I
want from you. Right when did you meet him? It
was the Scream tour, that first album, that first album.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
Right, I think it was. It had to be. It
had to be like first album and the first album fatigues, Yes.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
First album, yep. Okay, So so I'm watching I used
to watch you in the Marin Battle. Yeah, and I
used to I used to watch get You. Yeah, you
would you would be like fuck, you would be angry nigga.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
All right and I'll be back.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
But I always say this to this day.

Speaker 6 (29:33):
At that time, his discipline and what he learned and
how he gets that niggas was not.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Fucking with that boy.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
He's a monster.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
I don't know about now because I get off now,
but at that time, that boy was a monster.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
He was a monster. But I want to go to
the Scream tour.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
I was using that to set up set up the
Scream tour, and my cousin, my cousin and my people
wanted to go to the tour, so we can't. We
came to see you, and we came backstage and everything,
and I'm watching you on stage and I had I
hadn't seen you perform since the album was out, since
everything was going crazy, I hadn't seen you perform yet,

(30:13):
and you know, all had the records and he was,
you know, of course he was headlined. But I watched
you come out in those black fatigues and I watched
I can't do the move. I watched like you was
the crumping and you were like pause, you was your

(30:36):
arms were out this wide you was, you was. It
was the like the whole fucking stage was in between y'all,
and I'm looking. I'm like, he's getting ready to pass
the guy. He's getting ready to pass him because I
didn't see a kid on stage.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
I saw a grown ass man on stage at the
screen tour. He's getting ready and I'm looking at my
little cousin. She's like, oh my god, you all right?
You know, we go to church on Sunday, you know,
we have today's fri listen, and we go backstage to

(31:14):
take her to meet him and she sees, she sees
this nigga Chris and the Flesh, and she goes, mm hm,
So you are little? Did you as you are little?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
That night I saw you, there was for me the
beginning of the separation of you going to another place
because I felt like you were I felt like you
were angrier, you were more aggressive, and you had something
in your mind that you were aiming.

Speaker 6 (31:44):
You know what it was though, even being on that tour,
like what I learned, and I learned from Bio a lot.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
You know, he's like one of the greatest showmen as far.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
As so the lack of discipline that I had. I
had a great amount of training, meaning like okay, Sam's
you know everybody, they're gonna they're gonna get us right
with the moves. Were gonna have fun. And I was
able to be also creative too. They didn't just say
we're gonna do this. They let me come over with
some things. But the thing that I felt that I

(32:11):
lacked was the experienced one and and just the discipline
that everybody else had.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
You know, we it was B two K bow uh.
It was so many other artists all polished here.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, so when you.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Would see their shows, you would see the glitz and
the glamour.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
Like me, I had a DJ booth, just a little
DJ booth that I was slide from under with the
dancers with the little smoke, and then I had a
graffiti background, you know what I'm saying. And they maybe
maybe gave me like twelve minutes. I probably had like
not even that, it might have been eight minutes. So
I had to, you know, figure it out. But seeing
these other performers, it kind of like grew my hunger

(32:48):
for what I needed to be doing in order to
in order to be the person headlining, in order to
be the person that I think I can be. You
know what I'm saying, so a lot of them, a
lot of those guys, and seeing their performance, seeing their
their quality and how out long they're dancing, and then
they're just getting off and all the screams, like it
was really the Scream Tour, like you, it's no other

(33:08):
there's no other experience that I can tell you. At
that time, was like forget all the festivals and stuff
that they got going on right now.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
Back then your ears were literally you would really go.
Definitely shout out to Michael Martin. I saw him during
the Grammy week.

Speaker 7 (33:22):
I never met him before, and I just told him,
I'm like, listen, man, what you did just what I
mean obviously what you've.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Done in the business, pier, but that Scream Tour.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
Jesus with giving that type of spotlight to young artists
and putting him on that type of platform.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I don't know anyone that's done that.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
I don't, I don't. I don't think it can be
done right now. It's not like with you. I think
that's sounds. I can't even recreate like I was just
happy to be a part of it.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Like I was.

Speaker 7 (33:51):
That's a legendary to recreate with these phones. Man, that's
the other part.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, yeah, because because because like that stay was like
still in that moment, it still was a place where
you still felt like this is the only place I'm
gonna get to see that.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Yeah, I'm only gonna see this type of shit here.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Like it was still that we hadn't gotten to the
phone yet to where you could get used to seeing
that type of shit all the time. It just runs
all day. That's them scream to it. It was really screams, yeah,
facts like motherfuckers. When you came on stage, it was
they was glued from from from from top to bottom.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
And I was nervous because that's like, you know, we
had performed before, Like I've performed at different places I
had to perform what is.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
It playing in Hollywood? Different different places.

Speaker 6 (34:39):
But there's a little venues when you I'm in an
arena now, and it's even though I go on first,
the parents back then they trying to get their kids
into the building early. So now if the show starts
at let's say nine, some people might not leave their
house to eight thirty.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
So, but back then, everybody's in there, sitting there waiting.
So whoever the first artist is they either standing up
or booing the ship.

Speaker 7 (35:04):
Did you like, speaking of booing, did you ever experience
a fucked up show.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
Like early on?

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Like early on?

Speaker 6 (35:12):
No, No, I'm gonna be real, like I've never got
like a boot, like a bad boot. I don't want
to jinx myself, but but I've never got like he's
not your nigga, But I've never I never got boot
on a thousand hit records.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
But you're not getting don't worry about that.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
Almost I said, you almost got boo.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
It started off with this moddy. That's my fault.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
His playlist song wasn't working yeah radio so and he
still wanted to sing yeah, which we're working.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
It was it was.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Spent seven hundred thousand. I started singing the songs.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
The girls in the front row looking at her friends.
Oh oh god, I still.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Got two minutes and it's a tape, so that that
you just gotta live that motherfucking out you.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
Start, that's when you start thinking the most.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
That's when I started sweating. That's when you get caught
the mouth man.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
Now I sucked up myself on stage, like did the
back flip slipped? But I play it off or like
you know what I'm saying, then stepped off the stage
before and fell in the crowd.

Speaker 7 (36:26):
But yeah, they still feel bad for because you're just
being great.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah they still screamed, oh my goddess.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Okay, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (36:40):
So off the first off, the first album, you start
to you start to see what this thing is like.
You start to see, you know, what fame is like,
and how how you're gonna adjust. Did you ever have
like the can I do it again? Because you know,
people talk about the sophomore sophomore.

Speaker 6 (36:58):
J I had that in my in the back of
my head probably every day, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
So like, for me, it was because the first album
was like a learning experience. I wrote with writers. I
didn't really write, you know.

Speaker 6 (37:10):
It was really how they kind of shaped what I
what my ideas would be. The second album was like, okay, cool,
well you've been you've been right the song selections, you're
picking the choices, you know what you're doing. So but
I feel like it's like the challenge thing again. I
was like, you know what, I'm gonna try.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
To prove them wrong.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
You fought for that.

Speaker 6 (37:30):
Yeah, like I said, I proved myself wrong with the
with the first album.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
So it's like, now now I'm gonna prove them wrong.
I could do this ship. So I was. I had
that sophomore Jinx in the back of my head.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
What's the first first record from the second?

Speaker 6 (37:42):
The second album? Damn Let Men Make Me Go? You know,
I got a lot of damn albums, man, I.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
Know. I think that's the album.

Speaker 7 (37:49):
Records from the first from the first album?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Was it kids, Kiss? I'm yeah it was Kiss, wasn't it.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
It had to it had to? Oh no, wall to Wall?

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Oh yeah, well I think.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
It was water Wall. It was absolutely absolutely water Wall
then Kiss Kiss.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
I imagine you're putting together your show set.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
You know, look for tour now, bro, it's crazy because
I'm trying to because you know, people are still in
love with the older songs.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
So it's like, I have no problem doing that.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
But the only difference is when people come to my shows,
I want them to see something like evolution. Like you
know what I'm saying. They're not seeing the last tour
that they saw. They're not seen the one before that.
Every tour is completely different and it gives them, you know,
the same nostalgia. But also with this with the new music.
So it's so hard for us right now. I even
I even put on my Instagram and Twitter, like, look

(38:45):
what songs y'all want me to perform? They was like
all of them bitches. I said, we're gonna be there
for three days.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I'm not, but you gotta think of it like this though, right,
I always equated back to like Frankie Beverly and May. Yeah,
Frankie Beverly and the same show in Arenas for twenty years.

Speaker 7 (39:08):
With all due respect, they don't have a hundred.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
No, no, no, let me get into. What I'm getting
to is the variations of those songs that make it
old to you.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
Don't get don't get old to them.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Don't get old to them.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
But at least how you how how they will see it?

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, they remember that. They're telling that friends. Watch when
he do this, he do this thing when he sings.
Watch when there you're waiting.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
You got a point too, that's the point. But I
always want to how I look. I'll be like you
know what, I want to always give them more. It's
not like because you can see Chris Brown on YouTube,
but you can go see it and be like all right,
and then they're like man fell off.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
I never want to hear that ship until I'm ready
to be like, look, I'm tired.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I don't think because new material.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
I'm not, You're not gonna be tired. But that was hypothetic.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
You have like eight thousand songs and the what's.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
The longest show you've done?

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Ship?

Speaker 6 (40:03):
The last one we just did. We just came from
towards overseas. You came to it like two hours and
fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Hold on, let's nigga, that's let's go, let's go there,
let's go there. Movie that's.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Over.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Ship.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I was like, Bag, we're going over seas to Chris Brown.
What the fuck are you talking about? We're going to Paris.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Pack your ship. We're going to see Chris Brown. I
told you. Now, make me tell you again.

Speaker 7 (40:28):
Nigga, like you have enough room in his bag to
bring me back a hoodie or nothing. No, no, mer
don't like to travel like that.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
That's why you should can't.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Okay, okay, march here now, merchant here, march here. We
were in Paris and we pull up to the venue
I'm hitting and we're here. He's like, all right, come
to the back. And as we're at the venue. It's
quiet outside of the venue the show. The show starts

(40:59):
and like maybe like an hour, it's quiet, there's no traffic,
there's there's there's nothing.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
And I'm like, this is weird. This is Chris Brown show.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
This is this is supposed to be It's supposed to
be off the chain, house side, motherfucker is supposed to
be bootlegging shit, all sorts of ship. Right, we walk
into that Building's twenty thousand people already in there, probably
two hours of They are in their seats like this

(41:35):
ready but vernying on Dick Saponi's coming out soon, just
sitting dispelly.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's going to be so good.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
And and you know, we're so used to seeing shows,
you know, in the States and how people react in
the States. But I wanted to go to Paris because
I wanted to see people with a different mindset. I
wanted to see people completely free of what this the
state stigma.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
Is, how you gotta be cool?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
I'm people supposed to act, how the dudes is? I mean,
I fuck with, I said I rock with. It wasn't
none of that. I'm watching grown men go ape shoes.
It was themselves in the music when these songs. Come on,
I got a videotape of the entire arena jumping up
and die. I'm like Jesus. Rice and we had talked

(42:30):
about it before, before you got the overseas tour, and
I said, Bro, I said, look, Bro, the world is
getting ready to open up to you in such a
way that I don't even think you could you even
understand it. And you was like, he was like, bro,
I hear you, but I'm I'm I'm not gonna believe
it until I see it.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Yeah, facts, I remember I told you that.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
And we and we were sitting in your dress room backstage.
I said, do you see this? I said, And I
watched you for two nights in a row. I don't
know how the fuck you did it for two and
a half hours, dance and sing.

Speaker 6 (43:03):
NonStop because I haven't been over there in a minute too,
So by me having a tour out there, I was like, damn,
this is I haven't toured over there in twelve years
in certain places twelve like like London, certain places it
has been twelve years. So I'm like, damn. So that
they got a whole chunk of history that they ain't
even sing. So I'm like, I can't be lazy and

(43:24):
go on stage and do sixty minutes ninety minutes and
be like all right, cool, we just give me out
of new shit and getting out of it.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Sixty ninety minutes is the that's the regular show. And
he's like, I can't.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
I can't be nice because of the chuck.

Speaker 6 (43:38):
Yeah, because because because think about it, it's it's people
that's my age bringing their kids to the show, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
So they're like, now this is the person I like.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
So it's almost like teaching a class again, like okay, cool,
the kid might not know this song, but they mama
know the song and they gonna pray, you know.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
So.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
But in that in that space, it's like it's like
a different appreciation. Remember I was like, it's like not
to discredit, you know, the US, but at the end
of the day when you go over there.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
It's like different.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
You're really appreciated for the music.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
They don't see you all the time either. Yeah you
said they miss you, they miss you.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
But R and B is still a thing. Listen, And
I gotta say it like, we're not we're not slighting
in the US, but the US is spoiled. They see
us walking down the street, they see it's very sass
to see. It's in Miami moving already, they see us
and so overseas like even just just even outside of
the presence their their thirst and desire for real music

(44:35):
is just it's just different.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
It's still old school over there.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
It's it's it's the words songs and speak English.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
That's gotta be great.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
That's that's that's phenom. I never I could never understand that.
It still makes me. I think I get more excited
when I when I when I see that because I'm like,
you know what, that that type of energy. They don't
know what the fuck I'm saying, or they might now,
but it's for them to like something that that bad
and you know what I'm saying, that takes dedication. Yeah,

(45:13):
but you know the States give me my love too,
because I can't.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
I can't lie.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
Fuck the media aspect we talk about like we talk
about when I when I when we geah them asses
in them seats, you know what I'm saying, And so
and they real fans like my fan base. I can say,
you know, you got Nikki's fan base beyond these fan base.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Yeah, but the.

Speaker 6 (45:32):
Fans, I feel like everybody them in their family, they
got they always you know, I always a comment. I'll
get on somebody asks if they go crazy in the comments,
but I always listen and kind of like let them
dictate certain aspects of Okay, y'all want to hear this.
Y'all like this, like I like to be engaged with them,
so they so they know that this shit ain't just
like oh, all right, shut up and listen. And then
I'm gonna make y'all follow me this way, you know

(45:54):
what I'm saying. I feel like as a family and
the people that support me there, I love this person.
You know, it'd be people's mama's kids. They be like,
you know what, I love that boy like so and
I can I can feel that energy. So when I
get into an arena, you know the fans is the
really wanted to keep me in.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
You change the meet and greet.

Speaker 7 (46:12):
Oh yeah, you got some flat behind that too, like nigga,
you literally change.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
The meet and greek.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
I'm gonna I want to say this, okay, all right,
they got on his ass like I'm not doing okay,
I might have to do something. Yeah, you got you
gotta at least I might have to do something, you
know what I'm saying. But the Chris Brown meet and Greek,
it's out of control.

Speaker 7 (46:39):
You might need to press that ship fun like I
bet it's because.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
Look where else in the time, Like everybody usually like
you get your pictures back in the day, all the
artists like yeah, you know, like like and I don't
do I'm not doing like one hundred and fifty people
a night, like you know what I'm saying. So might
be a small intimate group of people that actually spent
that money that they might not even have to come
and meet me. So I'm not gonna make they moment,

(47:07):
you know, I don't want to make their moment, just
something Hey what's up?

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Let me sign this? Get the funk out?

Speaker 6 (47:11):
Like that's weak to me because I feel like these
are the same people, no matter how big of that
group or smaller that group, I feel like they're the
same people. That's a part of the family aspect. So
so and some of these girls is man, that's the
bucket list. Some of them they like, Look.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
All I want to do is just be able to
be on him cool as long as you ain't got
COVID were good.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I should tell my wife she should loosen up and
let me. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (47:36):
Yeah, but you can't do no motherfucking pictures with your
shirt off because then you can't You can't you can't
gauge the person. You don't know what might lick your
stomach and something you're gonna be like hold.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Onto that you get off now.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
But got you also?

Speaker 7 (47:54):
In my opinion, bro, like, I've met a lot of people,
I've friends with a lot of people. We've been in
this industry a long time, and I really believe that
you are the most.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
How can I say you're the.

Speaker 7 (48:10):
Your cares, bro cook, absolutely care, but the most accessible.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah, superstar I've ever seen, literally, bro.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
Yeah, Like I feel.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
Like I feel like Jill probably humbled me on that
one that Yeah, there's that. But being able to like
go through ship and not have to be, you know,
walk a thin line because a lot of artists have
to walk a thin line unless you're independent. If you're
like the mainstream, you can't do this. You can't be
associated with somebody, You can't do a song because of
how it looks. Once that shit, like once I was

(48:44):
able to still do music and they was and I
got to be my regular nigga, Like, I got to
be myself man, funk all this extra shit.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
I can look if somebody come up to me, what's
up you like with music?

Speaker 1 (48:53):
All right?

Speaker 5 (48:53):
What's I appreciate it?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Cool?

Speaker 5 (48:55):
Can I get a.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
Picture if I'm in a go Sorry not right now,
but I appreciate you boom If I'm not, it's a
million pictures, whether I'm drunk, whatever it is, I'm gonna
take a picture with somebody, like, because I've been able,
I've been humbled through whatever my experiences are.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Like, so I done went through bullshit. I and went
through you know, normal nigga shit.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
So it's like, you know what, let me uh, let
me not take this ship for granted and be appreciative
every single second, every single time I get to get
a chance to like do anything or be around somebody.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
This is a flowers pod, right, and so this is
for you, your flowers. Take a second to to to speak
on Team Breezy and and staying down with you through
thick and thin. What is that feeling like to you?

Speaker 6 (49:41):
It's the it's the imposter syndrome again, like you know,
because it's it's it's unbelievable, like sometimes I wake up,
I'm like, damn, people go by like whether I'm promoting,
I don't care if there's some shoes I'm promoting or
there's a there's a following of people, a big following.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
Of people who who support me, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (49:58):
So that also makes me the uh like cherish where
I'm at, bros a Team Breezy, Like even to have
a name for people to follow.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
You is kind of crazy, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (50:09):
So I feel like I'm appreciative, Like my fans know
how much, and I try to let them in on
stuff I talked to them, like I remember because somebody
dates for the tours will come.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
I say, look, y'all, get on my damn nerves.

Speaker 6 (50:20):
If y'all ain't got the damn you sit on and
got this, shut up the puck up and go.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
To the next city.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
So so so like but but I'm able to I
wouldn't even be in this chair right now.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
Like, but y'all my brother, so I probably would be
in the chair.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
But any success or anything that that's further that these
songs that I'm putting out like that, ain't that ain't
us paying somebody off and.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
Trying to like please, like you know what I'm saying.
That's that's really the fans, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
And they and they kept me here twenty almost twenty
years now, so it's like for me to have that
connection with them, it's probably.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
The biggest thing ever, you know. So so I may
that's why I'm always thirsty and still doing me. Why
he's still doing this? Why it because of y'all? Like
that's the reason real.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Talk shout out to Team Yeah, I talked to Team
Breezy often talked they.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
You know, as as as as as a Team Breezer.
You know what I'm saying. Never with you shout out
what's your favorite album?

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Out of mind?

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Damn it's you know what it is? I can I
have two? I got Eleven of the Motherfuckers.

Speaker 6 (51:32):
Uh, my two will be my first one because of
the experience that what we talked about earlier, like how
it felt everything was was was amazing. So I think
the first one and then my fame album.

Speaker 7 (51:46):
Yeah, I got the Grammy Grammy album.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
And the reason why I say that is because of
the ship I had to go through around that time
and still make music and people still listening to me
despite maybe not come with me.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
For real, I'm not liking New York, you know what
I'm saying. The first canceled Nigga.

Speaker 6 (52:05):
So you know, so those two albums kind of like
were milestones in my career, Like the first one has
shown me that I'm I'm able to do it, and
then that album Okay you can do it, Yeah, I
can do it again.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I'm gonna go the The first album, first album as
a classic exclusive is special to me.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
What's your favorite Chris song?

Speaker 1 (52:30):
In the goal is.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
What's your favorite Chris song? Okay? I know mine off
the top of my head.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
It changes, he just plays.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
I still got my favorite, though you don't have your favorite.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
It changes every time he plays me.

Speaker 7 (52:49):
Something he just to this day, yeah, to this day.
The Nigga played it for me a record plan, and
I said, Nigga, the record tomorrow, the record.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
The record that the record that haunts me, like a
record that when I hear it, it takes me to
where I was, like, it takes me back to Paris
and watching on stage.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
It's Indigo.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
If there's something about the feeling, it's something about the conversation,
it's something about Indigo, Bro, that is so special to me.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
It's the melodies, it's the trust, the production, it's the words,
it's like my life. I'm like, it's special to me,
super special.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
And Heat.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
And the reason Heat just got so embedded was because
everybody thinks I'm singing on it. Everybody thinks I'm singing
on Heat, and I never said I wasn't singing on Heat.

Speaker 1 (53:57):

Speaker 7 (53:58):
I don't think he knows what songs he's one of yours,
since I think I'm singing backgrounds.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I was just I was just in a sensation on
the other day and I was like, I was like,
why does he sound like me on the end of
this song?

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Why does his ad libs? I said, funk, I did
the ad libs? Got it?

Speaker 5 (54:17):
Got it?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Because Chris will be like, get in the poof and
just sing something of this ship.

Speaker 6 (54:21):
I'm like, yeah, because I just need his voice and backgrounds,
and he knows where to put the pockets at. So
I'd be like, it'd been damn it, eight to nine
songs already.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
He never remembers, though, we'd be doing so much of it,
and for me, it's just like in your space, I
just try to make myself available for whatever it is
you need. You know what I'm saying, whether it be
whether it be musical conversation. Another question I wanted to
ask you is probably a deeper question in and now

(54:56):
in your stages of being a father. We we have
so many loves, right, and love changes in terms of
what it means as we grow. What does love mean
to you?

Speaker 5 (55:07):
Now, that's a deep question. What does love mean to me? Uh?

Speaker 6 (55:14):
Love is scary to me, but at the same time,
like it's too I'm full of it, you know what
I'm saying, I'm full of love.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Like so I feel like my kids kind of like
made me appreciate.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
What that word mean, what the word meant like to
love something outside of yourself, outside of anything.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
That's like, that's that's great segue. Are they are? Are
they making you more free to love, more open to love?

Speaker 5 (55:39):
Yes? And no, they're they're making me more open to
loving them. Then like I'm just.

Speaker 6 (55:45):
I'm pouring all my love and them, but you're also
very protective.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Yeah, but makes you yeah, not let more people in.

Speaker 6 (55:53):
Yeah, But at the same time, like it's making me
learn patience and making me learn just life skills that
I that I I made. It might have been too
too antsy for too busy for So I think love
for me now is like it's expanding. It's like me,
you're saying you have to have a favorite color, right, No,
I really don't. I can actually find beauty in every

(56:13):
all of the colors. So my uh, my thought process
on love isn't as controlled as I thought it should be.
It should be like this, it should be like no,
like love is an abundance to me. So I feel
like it's like, all right, cool, I don't got Yeah
I could.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
I could do this out. Yeah, I can smile a
lot more.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (56:35):
Now look look that's that's what you're for, what you've
been through and what you've accomplished.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Yeah, you should smile more. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (56:44):
You should continue to have a good time because this
this isn't given to everyone. Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's especially your life and what you know. And but
the thing that would make me angry when it came
to you was that people didn't realize this.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Was your life, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (57:03):
Everybody had an opinion or has an opinion of how
you should live your life. And for me, as your brother,
I've never had an opinion about how you should live
your life. And you know we've had many a talk
to in many a cities and many long nights, and
I've never said you should do No, you should do
what you want to do and live how you want
to live and experience the things you want to because

(57:25):
it's what makes you who you are, you know what
I mean. And you've been able to, like you said,
average motherfucker can't go sit down and go and be
in the whole tank and go to jail.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
That's your experience. So whatever that put you there, you
were able to man up.

Speaker 7 (57:42):
Except that even though you did lose me a championship
in the NBA E League because we were undefeated and
then you went you had to go do too much
and you.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
Had to Yeah, I was like and then by the
time I got out, I was not about to play.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
The basketball and the season was over there for bad
you And you was like Niga going in.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Two weeks, you have to have a fro. The stomach said,
it's gonna be gone. It's gonna be going in two weeks.
Two weeks and then two weeks I said, Okay, he's back.

Speaker 6 (58:12):
Yeah I was, because they called me in them pictures.
I think we went to like now I went to
I went to South to France or something.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
They took the pictures and I was just seeing that
that jelly roll. I said, what hell no, And then
from there just dancing, dancing, dancing. I was even big
on when I got out of jail for the for
the BT Awards, when I had to when I when
we came, I did loyal and I had to h
This was when everybody's wearing for real hats. Yeah, like
you know, the smoky the beer hat. But I remember

(58:46):
having this outfit. I had to put the outfit on
and it was like too small. The pants wouldn't fit.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
Like I was.

Speaker 6 (58:52):
I'm like a thirty four or thirty six, and I
was like a few thirty Yeah, for sure, I was
like a forty or something. Fordy. I'm talking about big
boy big. I said, hold on, you know what, I
can't do this no more.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
But I was. I was.

Speaker 6 (59:09):
I had to go through a lot of boot camp,
dancing and everything else to get back.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
But Nigga ship back though.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Yeah, because you was all right.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
It was terrible. I'm telling you that my most depressing
time of my life. Bro Chris Brown, it was a
Brown Brown.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
When did you really get into the business, like start
owning the business of all of that, because that's what
people really don't know about you.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I think, yeah.

Speaker 6 (59:45):
I did that first, and I would be like I
was seventeen when I started trying to invest in certain
things just because I knew, like, you know, unless you torn,
unless you like, you don't know how how long you're
gonna be successful.

Speaker 5 (59:55):
And it's not like every artist can make it look like.

Speaker 6 (59:58):
They getting money, getting money, getting my If you not
a touring act, if you're not doing stuff, you're not
gonna you need.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
An exit strategy.

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
So I would have, like, you know, the business people
around me at the time, I can't say they were
good at the time, but you know, my investments were
like into burger kings and stuff like that, just so
I could have a portfolio of and you know, constant income.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
So that was my first step.

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
But when I really started getting into like the music side,
like the executive side, it was like I was twenty five,
and what happened was, uh, loyal and all these other
records had already been been blowing up, so and I
was out of my almost out of my contract, so
I was able to negotiate.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
I was like, well, cool, well.

Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
Now that I have leverage as an actual not an artist,
I don't want to be an artist. I want to
be fifty to fifty profits shared with you guys. I
want to have the same deal Birdman got Universal, like
you know, you know, I acted around trying to figure
out so I don't have to be getting you know,
cents on the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Dollar, right, you know, just living off advances.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
So from there that was my first step boom, and
then I think they were like oh and then they
kind of like, you know what, fuck it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
We'll do it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
I'm like, shit, damn, I'm like the youngest nigga with this,
with this deal right here. I don't think nobody knows,
you know. So that was my first step.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
Then after that was me trying to own my masters.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
So I think when I was like twenty seven or
twenty eight, like by that time, it was a renegotiation time,
and I was like, hey, cool, I still want this,
but let me get my masters from here. From from
I think from my fame albuming up, I said, let
me get the Masters from there, and then I'm able
to come back and negotiate, you know, in six years
for the.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
First album and all of my shit.

Speaker 6 (01:01:31):
So being able to have that type of structure deal
like shout out the Mark Pits again, you know what
I'm saying, Peter Edge, everybody that was you know, everybody
that really kind of like looked and said, you know,
we'll give them this deal. And Barry Rice, Barry Rice
is like he put the shit down, like he really
he the one that kind of allowed me to be like,
you know what, here a fucking kid, take it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
You got it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
I mean, you had made him so much.

Speaker 7 (01:01:56):
Yeah, but let's let's also speak on that. Let's not
let's not just breeze over that the fact that you
understood though, I got to prove myself first, because now
we have these we have these new artists who come
into the game thinking they can own the masters, Like
why would I let you have the masters or why

(01:02:18):
would you deserve your masters in the beginning, if someone
is actually making the initial investment and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
They're not working.

Speaker 7 (01:02:27):
So somebody walking into the door saying why I owe
my masters? Okay, well what are you going to do
with it? Do you know how to license it? Is
there any distribution for it? And is it worth anything
in the beginning? Right, so you were able to say, hey, listen,
now I want from fame ongoing, and now I'll put
myself in a position because I'll continue to be successful

(01:02:48):
to come back again, renegotiate and get those initial albums
as well. That's just smart business, and I think embedding
on yourself. But I think people want to skip the
steps and say, oh well this labeled like listen, labors
are going to be what they are. Labors are going
to their banks and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
That's what they do.

Speaker 7 (01:03:09):
But they also have infrastructure to put you in a
place that's unimaginable.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I don't disagree with that at all, you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:03:19):
And so I think you should be, for lack of
a better term, a poster boy of like listen, just
be successful, Just be great, You be great, You get
everything you're supposed to out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Of this ship.

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
Yeah, and get the right lawyers. Make sure your lawyers
is looking a little bit of contract. Yeah, so you
got to make sure everybody. You know, when I was young,
I was I was fortunate enough to be saved on
certain things, but I was my deals weren't always great.
So once I was able to be able to be
more independence, like, look, I got a little bit more
leverage now, and they then, you know, they made all

(01:03:51):
this money and all that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
So I'm more like, you know, I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
Able to now see real money or see something from
what I've created because I know I created it. So
now you know I can go and do this. Now
I can create some more. Wait till you'll see what
I'm about to create. So now I get to own
all of that, you know. And and it's like like
you said, I'm like a testament to that to hey,
not saying put your head down, just be the best
you right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I feel like the way I go to the gym
is the way you go to the studio. Yeah, It's
like that's what I said. Your me and Green you
should bench pressed. It's like, is there no no way limit?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Though I got something.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Something get a good fifty off now, But even in
my my meeting Green pictures like there's some some joints
and like some nights like you know what come on?

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
Yeah, because you know, like we can't do certain.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Things try something else, I get the same back.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
I got your picture, I got next.

Speaker 7 (01:04:59):
Listen already waiting for what these pictures gonna look like. Man,
you know shit is gonna be insane. Oh shit, here's
the last question.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Bro. How do you do like eight thousand songs in
one night? Bro? Like you do?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
How is that even possible that you I come to
your house and there are I just left your house
two days ago and I come back and there are
twenty new songs.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
How?

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
I just feel like a lot of the times, you know,
how I used to be in the studio back in
the day. Even I'm like, yo, come to the studio,
Like I just I think, what did you call you?

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
Master?

Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
Something that you spend more than a one hundred hours
on or something? So I think I'll just try to overly, overly,
overly overly master it. So me being in the studio,
like I might have an idea in my head, or
I might just hear some songs like man, I need
to get on my game.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
I need to steal.

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
It's like shooting jump shots, like you know, you gotta
make sure if you don't, if you don't shop at
the tube, it ain't gonna work. So I feel like
me being in the studio is where I kind of live.
I got two studios, you see in the house. I
got two studios in the house, so I can change scening,
real change, like you know, mental states.

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
When I'm in different studios.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
I've never seen you're making the amount of songs that underdogs,
all of us in different rooms used to make. It
was it was six of us, and he's still making more.
It's just wanting. We weren't making money at night.

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
We weren't writing twenty songs at night.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
You got it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
You gotta how many things you have?

Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
I said before like fifteen thousands, but then but then
I think I miscalculated, you know, So it's it's a
world champlainship.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
Yeah that was that was I think I was thinking
of it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
I'm like, okay, I got this, yeah a lot, So
I'm gonna be realistic. And it's it's in the eight
thousands to nine thousands, though it's a lot, like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Like it's finished or just the pieces.

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
I can say pieces, It won't it won't be. It
might be first verse, cause you know how I used
to send demos out be first verse or chorse and
then no second verse. So it'll be stuff like that.
So it's like, yeah, collectively, is that a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Of that'sag insane?

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
Bro mm hmmm, what you got for.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
M h Come on, comfy Tea, you say what you got?
You see you see his fitty comfy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Shot out exclusive game. Come on, comfy Tea, turn these
towels into a outfit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
It's the Superman music.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
No, it's not. We don't want to be to.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
The remix.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Team Breezy want to know what they want to know
what we want to know. You've listened to a lot
of music in your days, young man. Yeah, some of
this music you've made your favorite. The world wants to know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Your top five, saying.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
This ship, your top five, top five, your top five
RB sing whatever you already song? We all a lo

(01:08:31):
you gotta show. I'm dancing to go. I'm really all
to know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
If he has.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Top you top five.

Speaker 8 (01:08:58):
Yeah, y'all gonna put me on the spot.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
It's so damn mark to pick five. But look, I'll
give you now. My ship might change in a couple
of days.

Speaker 5 (01:09:18):
Come on, Top five R and B singers right right now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Today you're saying today, No, No, I'm saying how you
feel today?

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Your world.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
So this is not biased because my brother in the room,
you know, I say it all the time. Tank Usher, yes,
Brandy Yeah, Tevin Campbell yeah, and Sam Cook Ship.

Speaker 7 (01:09:44):
So that's my top five I can think of right now. Okay,
all right, Kevin was really cold. Listen tomorrow whatever better?

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Are you better than me? He was? He was killing
grown men. Prodigy, he's a prodigy.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
His rangers, he was gifted.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Chess boy. Oh my god, nigga, how do you still
sing that high?

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
I'll get my nerves he'd be giving me. So I
was like, bro, you can sing this one.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
I think it's it's just like the adrenaline when you
get on stage.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
It's like, but even talking voices not My talking.

Speaker 6 (01:10:26):
Voice is raspy, like I gotta, I gott but you're
clear on records.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
Yeah, So I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:31):
I'm just always I guess we sing from different parts
when we when I talk, I don't think I'm talking
from the same diaphragm is when I'm singing, So I'm
pushing the air differently.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
So I feel like that's why I'm able to still
sound young and still sound like.

Speaker 5 (01:10:46):
The old met but not the super young Me, not.

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
The fifteen, but at least I said, my voice hasn't
like changed dramatically.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Nigga you and Ralph Treastman.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Yeah, I do not sound figure it out now. I
listened to the Young Thank, I was like this, who
is this?

Speaker 7 (01:11:00):
Was this singing three?

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
So crazy? They like singing that whole song.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
I will not breezy your top five R and B songs.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
Oh, this is gonna be difficult, brother, braik my hair by.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
Mario Ship, Heirl, Lily Girl, Lily, Somebody Sleeping.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Yeah, the remix.

Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
Them so so differently.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
Okay, Damn Oh, Sex Love and Pain that's you know, yes,
the beginning, the.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
Intro, the intro from the yes.

Speaker 7 (01:11:43):
That he never does live, He's do it live. You
don't given give him the ship though, Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:11:51):
I listened to that before when I was on tour,
any any tour I was on, I would listen to
that as my warm up songs.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
But I sing you, I need you right now. I
need you right now, my brother. I need you on
my team to tell him to do the damn sound
even the song.

Speaker 7 (01:12:04):
I need him to do the Sex Love and Pain
album one Night Only.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
Yeah, you gott at least you gotta give him that
because that's my favorite album.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
One Night Only, don't be scared.

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
Let's do that, alum, Let's do that one of those,
one of them type of benu fact.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
All right, one night Only.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
I'm trying to think that's three, so I gotta think
it two more.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
This is all this subject to change now, is it? Superstar? Superstar?

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:12:39):
And and Candy Rain so for really.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Yeah, so yeah, shout out to soul for real.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
God, you know, I'm like what it need so for real.

Speaker 6 (01:12:53):
But it's so difficult for me to come up with
those five songs. And I had like ten other songs like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
A combo of so many are like four thousands, eight thousands.

Speaker 5 (01:13:03):
Yeah, And I didn't want to add my songs in it.
I wanted to get everybody to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
You know, how do you have a favorite Chris Brown song?

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
Shit? No, I have rarors I have. I have. I
have times of when I when I like songs.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Man, this niggas is pouring champagne. You got some chage.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
I told you yea Eras niggas breaking his own rest.

Speaker 6 (01:13:24):
I think Eras is like certain songs that I what
I was going through at certain.

Speaker 5 (01:13:28):
Times, like damn, Like like how you like no bullshit?

Speaker 6 (01:13:31):
For example, that era of no Bullshit and and Deuces
those songs.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
When we did those songs, that was like when I
was at my lowest, Like I was like with the.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
Back back against the wall, like no no support from
the label, no support from radio.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
They was like, you know what, we ain't fucking with you,
mixt You're canceled.

Speaker 6 (01:13:49):
Yeah, so these songs are mixtape songs that out ten
months before we put them on on that album.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):

Speaker 6 (01:13:54):
So and I'm I'm shot the video for like twenty
five hundred each video Deduces video and no bullshit. But
it was it was like being an independent artist and
grinding your motherfucker yourself being like, you know what, I'm
gonna prove them wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
So I could say those songs would.

Speaker 6 (01:14:08):
Be an era, and then then it could be the
next songs that I'm doing. So it switches all the time. Yeah,
you know, I feel like I can always go back
to different songs and then relive those moments in my
head and be like damn that happened, and also remind
myself like damn, I do remember that, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
So it's billed your voltron you're super R and B artists.
We want to know who you're going to get the
vocal from, the performance style, the styling, from the heart
of the artist, the passion of the artists. And since
you know, since you're a songwriter, who's gonna write for
that artist, Let's start with the vocal. Who you're getting

(01:14:46):
the vocal from for your super R and B artists?

Speaker 5 (01:14:49):
The vocal. Damn, I'm gonna go with Tevin Campbell.

Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
I'm gonna just as far as the as far as
the vocal, yeah, like the range or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
You Yeah, I'm going with Tevan. Your voice his voice
is different. His voice was just cold.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Wasn't supposed to be like that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:10):
No, So I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with the
voice wise, Yeah, yeah, between him and Mike, because Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Just got pick one or you can mix it. What.

Speaker 6 (01:15:20):
Yes, it's gonna be like a hybrid. It's gonna be
Mike and Tevin Jackson.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Okay, uh performing style on stage Michael Jackson.

Speaker 5 (01:15:31):
I could have guessed down should Yeah, that was easy? Yeah, Okay, styling,
who's gonna put this?

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
Damn Uh, it's gonna be a hybrid. Another hybrid. It's
gonna be like a trifecta hybrid Michael, me and and
Usher mm hmm as far as styling, and I gotta
say yes in this in this category because like and
through his eerrors, from the my Ways to the you know,

(01:16:03):
everything he'd done has has been visually like stamped in
your head to wearic iconic, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
He made niggas wear coofies and ship like you remember.

Speaker 6 (01:16:18):
So it's like certain things will always be embedded in
style and fragments to me. So it's like Michael was
the definition of that, Like he could wear wrestling looking yeah,
like being his own icon.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
I think when we talk about styling, not even to
stop you here, but I think you're the first person,
the first artist that I've ever walked into the room
to the dressing room and they were like the racks.
There were racks on racks on racks of clothes and
you had no idea what you were going to put
on like that night. You don't you don't have a

(01:16:53):
uniform where you're like, Okay, this is the tour fit
and these are the combinations of the tour fit. This
is where this I was like what are you gonna wear?
He's like, oh no, I'm about to look through it
right now. He getting dressed in school, like like he
getting dressed in Marcus.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Let me just grab somebody. I've never seen anything like
that in my life.

Speaker 6 (01:17:15):
So what I've done the last couple of tours and
this tour is gonna be a little different.

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
So we have a set to where.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
Because I don't want to give too much, I want
you to come and see it, but I'm going to
have changes in the outfice. But the outfite is going
to be more customized like a lot of like designers
are making specific stuff for me, so it'll be more
So it goes along with the with the actual show
of what I'm trying to show, like the Broadway style
of what I'm trying to show, but before like the
last toy you were at and the different ones. The

(01:17:42):
stage that I've built is is you can change your
outfit every night. You could be something different because the
stage doesn't it doesn't have a certain Yeah, it has
a freedom about it. So we just have a rack
of clothes and long as long as I can dance
in them and it's not not too tight or the
shirts is like, you know, I'm putting on something different
every night.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
I always think of behind the things.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
I'll be thinking about the nigga that has to put
take all that out and put off.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
And he be trying to figure out a way to
steal some ship.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Of course I'm ahead that fits.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Yeah, always comes back with something.

Speaker 6 (01:18:21):
Because this nigga not afraid to ask, because look that's like, look,
little bro, you already want to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
You can take you can take it. I'm like a
whole that jacket like ship, the passion of.

Speaker 6 (01:18:35):
The artist, passionate the artist, Prince I would say prince
cold passion because you can play every instrument right and
mean it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
Man, what mean it?

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Come?

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Get this hit? Get this hit?

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Who who says that?

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
Like I would have been like that, I'm keeping this record.
You don't want this record? No? He he know he
he is the ship passion.

Speaker 7 (01:19:05):
You start doing that, you got a gang here records
telling niggas that get the song.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Who's going to write for that artist?

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
Damn, there's so many damn good writers. Who's gonna write?

Speaker 6 (01:19:19):
I was I couldn't say Phil Collins because it wouldn't
be cool because Phil Collins is one of my like
he's one of the dope writers.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Out all time. Why can't Phil Collins write the records?

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:19:30):
I think Phil could do it, but I would say
Quincy Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
I mean, there's no argument.

Speaker 7 (01:19:38):
Yeah, I was just like, I'm goa Thay curveball though. Yeah,
who's gonna do the choreography?

Speaker 5 (01:19:44):
Damn?

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Come on, man, use a stepper, Use a real deal stepper.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
You know what it would have to be.

Speaker 6 (01:19:50):
It would have to be a collective because in that
dancing ships, so many come on on, so many people
who made you know, I'm talking about fly fly styles, SAMs,
Josh Smith.

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
We got Lavel? Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:20:03):
Is it label Franklin who he taught me a thriller?
His name is Lavel, but he takes that. Yeah, world
music wars when I was young. Sorry I'm forgetting his
last name, but you got super Damn you got man.

Speaker 5 (01:20:18):
I'm trying to think I.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Did this on purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
To give, but.

Speaker 7 (01:20:25):
You're not even trying to get you. This is what
our podcast is about. Podcast is about Jamaica. I'm thinking
to him still, It's about celebrating. It's about celebrating people
that aren't always celebrated publicly.

Speaker 5 (01:20:36):
Absolutely absolutely, who.

Speaker 7 (01:20:38):
Means so much to what we do and has have
meant so much to what you do because they mold God,
they shaped all that ship.

Speaker 6 (01:20:46):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So I mean there's so many
different people that that I'm leaving out too. So I
know they're like, man, he didn't say my name.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
My bad. You know.

Speaker 6 (01:20:57):
At the same time, it would be with that dance ship.
It would have to be a collective group. It still
makes it's a village that make it, you know, take
a village to crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:21:08):
So, yeah, we've come to the point.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
I ain't saying no names. Hey, I ain't saying no names.
Saying no names. I ain't saying no niggs.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Weird know what you did? Don't say she ain't saying
no name, no name? All right?

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
Cool?

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Hold hold on.

Speaker 6 (01:21:43):
I listened to like, Okay, this sounds like I got
to say some funny she give you exactly right now.

Speaker 7 (01:21:50):
You are at a very important part of the show. Yeah,
it's called I ain't saying no names. Will you tell
us a story funny or funked up? Are funny and fuck?
The only rule to the game. The rules is you
can't say no names name all right?

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
Cool? Well, I ain't saying no names.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Yeah, come on, come on.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
But yeah, So there was this artist, and this artist
wanted to go out to the club with us, so,
you know, huge artists. So I'm like, all right, cool, me,
me and my crib, We're gonna go to the club.
It's it's nigga night, it's turn up night. You know
it's gonna be another artist in their performing. And that

(01:22:30):
artist song was the number one song in the country.
I'm talking about going crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:22:34):
We get in the club, I make sure we got
the whole section full of women.

Speaker 6 (01:22:40):
So the person in there he looking around the song.
Come on, the other artist is on stage, start singing
a song. The whole building erupts. I'm talking about it erupts,
like everybody. Girls in our section, Girl, they going crazy.
I look over to this person.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
He ain't feeling.

Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
I'm talking about, not a smirk, not a head, no nothing.
I turned back to look at the artists. But the
next time I turned back to look at the person
in my section, they gone, I don't see him.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
I'm like, what that? What is nigga win? I look up.

Speaker 6 (01:23:19):
The nigga is on the DJ booth right next to
the artist that's doing the song.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
And he just like this the nigga.

Speaker 6 (01:23:29):
When the song goes off, the nigga takes the mic,
takes the mic. So I'm thinking this artist is about
to do some songs. I'm like, okay, he got he
got the itch like you know, you know some artists
can't take it, you know, they self sender though they
you know, it got to.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
Syndrome. Like I'm not one of those.

Speaker 6 (01:23:48):
I know how to be like, oh this is litter here,
but I can read it all over this person's face.
Get the mic. I'm thinking he about to do it
songs or do something.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
I'm like, oh, this is crazy about to go crazy here.

Speaker 5 (01:23:59):
Yeah, the nigga goes on a forty five minute rent.

Speaker 6 (01:24:05):
I'm talking about talking. I'm talking about saying all of
everything that about nothing. It's like it's it's so just
like disappointing. Like when I was in there, I started
looking around and then from the club being a yeah,
everybody turning up, maybe holler as some girls, what's up,
it went from that to looking like the waiting room
in Hell.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
That's what I felt like.

Speaker 6 (01:24:25):
It was like, yeah, like everybody turned into psychopath people.
And he was not saying you know what I'm saying
the topic of what his rent was about was was like,
what the fuck put the music back on?

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
Like that's you know, that's how I feel.

Speaker 6 (01:24:41):
So in that club, there's a there's a secret area
that's like a resting area. You can go down at
the club, so I said, I told one of hummies,
I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
I don't want to sit up here and hear this
shit all night. So I'm going downstairs. I'm a cheer.
I'm gonna smoke this blunt downstairs. Whatever we doing, boom boom.

Speaker 6 (01:24:57):
And by this nigga gonna stop talking soun later, so
you know, I'm gonna go back up there afterwards. I'm
down that motherfucker for about twenty to thirty minutes and.

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
Are you still here?

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
Right right right right right over the over the this hit.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
It took over the club.

Speaker 6 (01:25:14):
This is how it ended for me, anyway. So I
get up back into the section. Half of the girls
is gone, most of most of the most of.

Speaker 5 (01:25:23):
The fine girl. They yeah, I'm like, man, what the
fuck is going on?

Speaker 6 (01:25:30):
The last thing I hear such and such, ain't stick
they finger in my booty.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
I don't even play.

Speaker 6 (01:25:35):
That way, I said, Yeah, I'm out this motherfucker. Look
and I look to our mutual friend that was there,
was there. I said, you gotta be a nigga and
stop letting this niggas be like this.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
Your ays need to be able to tell your friends.
Stop being a yes man. You need to be like, look, nigga,
this ain't it. You don't say this type of shit.
And I left the club. I ain't even answer no
phone calls.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
I ain't go on home.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
I ain't gonna say no names.

Speaker 7 (01:26:05):
Yeah you can whoever was in that club though they
like I was there, I was there be to come.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
I was there the finger.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
No no, not each love.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Brother, Chris brown Man. When I say we you.

Speaker 7 (01:26:29):
Even it's another thank you. I got to give you one.
Will always keep me your word. Something you've always done
from the day I've met you. If you say you're
gonna do something, you're gonna do it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:42):
Yeah you might be late, yeah a little late, but
you know, oh.

Speaker 7 (01:26:49):
Shit happens, but you always do what you say you're
gonna do. And I want to thank you for. At
the time, I was managing the artist named Love Rants
and there was this record that we had and I
had this crazy idea to turn this rap record into
an R and B song. You heard it and you
was like, Nigga, I'm coming to do it tomorrow. Yeah,

(01:27:10):
and you put up in your fast car, you knock
the shit out, and this record has lived on to
this day.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
I cannot go to a club.

Speaker 7 (01:27:23):
It's still I'm going to hear the R and B
version of up to this day. Nigga, send me videos
from friends, send.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Me video on it anywhere in the world.

Speaker 7 (01:27:34):
And the fact that you obviously you did that for
me because we're brothers, but the fact that you were
able to help me make this record that came from
the Bey area and my young boys had had this song.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
And it was blown up and you helped.

Speaker 7 (01:27:49):
Them take the record worldwide. I just want to say
thank you, No, thank you, I appreciate you that for that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:54):
I appreciate you. You see, I'm bad with thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:27:57):
Like when people think me become like real ship, you
help me all the same in the same token. I
look at it like like if you would have called
and if it was a Wax song, we would be
like like, let's.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Try a different record.

Speaker 5 (01:28:09):
But it's like, you know what what a song gonna do?

Speaker 6 (01:28:12):
And then at the same time, it's even easier when
it's when it's like family. When you got people that's
around you that are musically gifted and they do the
same thing you do. It's not a conversation like nah,
I can't really do it, or no, I'm here whatever
you need, you know. So I appreciate y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
I am upset that this song was was on fire,
super flames, right, and this nigga wouldn't go nowhere and.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Performance or I was becoming your manager.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
That ship he was, he.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Was, he was behind the scenes, and it was promoters
offering him the best.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
We had some other ship we had to do though.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Man, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Look at us now, Look at us now?

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
You got records now?

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
Yeah, yeah, they be lonely. What the fuck is we doing?
I'm just saying, y'all know me and this nigga got
a record again. It's all right, it's so way. Let
y'all know that we got a record.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Thank you again.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Listen, brother to say we love you would be an understatement.
You already know what that means.

Speaker 5 (01:29:18):
My brothers.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
We don't play no games about Breezy. You know what
I'm saying. And that's in real life.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
That's not that's not music, that's not entertainment, that's that's
real life, in real life. And so I think people
have known by you know, all the times I've jumped
in the in the comments to make sure fuck you
niggas up you fuck around with the fuck around yeah alone.
But my congratulations to you man for continuing to work hard, bro.

(01:29:49):
And I think that that's the separation between you and
everybody that you've probably seen from the last twenty something
years come and go.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
You just won't stop working.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
And and that is commendable with the success that you've had,
that you are still aspiring and still pushing to do
more and to be greater. Like if if if I'm
telling my son to chase anything saying you watch Chris Brown,
you watch that journey and you watch him work, and
that's how you work, and that's how you find it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
We appreciate you, man. Listen, man, my name is Tank Man.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
And this is the R and Money podcast them on all.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Things R and B one of the greatest to ever
do it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:51):
Yeah, R and B Money.

Speaker 7 (01:30:56):
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