THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, JANUARY 28TH, 2025 (EP. 4228)

THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First, we just get your reactions to what you have
learned about Deep Seek in the last twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
What do you make of it? How are the change things?

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Well exactly what Andrews Serkins said. There's a lot of
open questions. And you know, I think that the likelihood
it was trained for as little money as it said,
it seems very unlikely. It also seems likely that they
actually to train these smaller models, which you already knew
in the US, you have to have access to and
use larger models like the lama chat, GBT, et cetera.

(00:30):
So look, I think it's extremely important and interesting results.
I don't think that that suggests that the large models
are actually not essentially valuable in creating things like Deep Seek.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Okay, so let's turn out to what we're hoping.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Did you tell us more about the good We hear
a lot.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
About the worries people have about AI than this sort
of scary future that.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
It could portend. But it's advocates say a lot of
good can be.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Done with it.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
Hard to imagine something a better cause and cure and cancer.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Talk to us about that.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
So you know, as you mentioned, the general discourse and
actually human history when a new major technology comes wrong,
whether it's the printing press, electricity, the car, is oh
my god, everything's going to go wrong, right, like society
is going to break, human agency is going to break.

Speaker 6 (01:13):
Et cetera.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
And yet when we look at the end result, like
we can't have the society without the printing press, electricity,
the computer, et cetera, it turns out that it massively
increases human agency. And part of that increase of human
agency is when we all get access to it, like
for example, when you all get excess car, not only
can I go visit my friends, but the doctor can

(01:35):
come do like house calls for my kids or for
my grandparents and that kind of thing. And that is
what superagency is. And I think what we will see
with AI is will actually increase human agency.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
This is the primal screen of a dying regime.

Speaker 7 (01:56):
Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on
these people. You've not got a free shot. All these
networks lying about the people. The people have had a
belly full of it.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I know you don't like hearing that. I know you
tried to do everything in the world to stop that,
but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

Speaker 8 (02:12):
And where do people like that go to share the
big line mega media. I wish in my soul, I
wish that any of these people had a conscience.

Speaker 7 (02:22):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

Speaker 9 (02:26):
If that answer is to save my country, this country
will be saved. War Room.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
Here's your host, Stephen kVA.

Speaker 7 (02:42):
It's Tuesday, twenty eight January year Viller twenty twenty five.
Thank you for joining us for the late afternoon, early
evening edition of The War Room.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Historic day for the.

Speaker 7 (02:51):
War Room, our own Natalie Winners, her first day as
White House correspondent for The War Room. A historic with
Caroline Lovett. Just an amazing press briefing today, her first
the first of President Trump Trump forty seven's tenure, historic
in many ways, Matt Boyle, many of the folks, you know,
Brian Glenn All there asking questions. We're gonna get to

(03:13):
that in a moment. Fortunate enough to have Senator Josh
Hawley join us today. Senator Hawley, I don't think we
could get two guys on the opposite ends of the
spectrum politically as Reid Hoffman and UH and Senator Josh
Hawley Reid. Hoffman's a techno feudalist. You're you're a populist
conservative populist. Hoffman's come out with a book, Super Agency,

(03:36):
just today, and it's about the possibly what could possibly
go right with our AI future. You wrote a very
chilling and pressing a book a couple of years ago.
I guess a year ago we had you on the
tyranny of big tech? What is it in particularly what
you've seen in the last couple of days. You're one
of the leading technology experts in the United States Senate.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Where do you think we stand with all this, Sir Well,
I think.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
That, first of all, it'screezy to be with you, Steve,
Thanks for having me. I think what we're seeing is
these tech companies continue to amass incredible power of the
deep seek breakthrough, if that's what we're calling it in China,
just shows the incredible power that these corporations are going
to have with the technologies that they control. And I've
seen what rit Hoppin said about this is going to

(04:20):
be great for everybody, and everybody's going to benefit from it.
I'm also sure about that. I know who's going to
benefit from this latest breakthrough that's the Chinese communists. I
know who's going to benefit from all of our data
being taken by these corporations. It's the corporate behemoths who
can take all of our information without our permission, who
can use it to train their models, without any payment

(04:41):
to us, without any protection for our rights. So yeah,
I'm concerned. I'm really concerned. I think the tech company's
bottom line, Steve, I think they're only getting more powerful,
They're only getting bigger, And I think we've got to
be really, really careful here.

Speaker 7 (04:56):
As you say in the book, we've kind of made
bomb administration starts as and pack with Silicon Valley, which
I think is in a parteight state. But they could
get incredibly wealthy and have monopolistic power. The anti trade,
the Justice Department would never touch them, but they would
have to leave us to be technologically dominant.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Do you feel comfortable with that pact as one size?

Speaker 7 (05:18):
That is, given what TikTok, the power of TikTok and
social media, and let's let's assume for this discussion deep
Seek is not a Chinese syot, but it's actually maybe
a spot Nick moment. Do you feel comfortable to read
Hoffman Andresen and Bezos.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
And have they kept their end of the bargain, sir, No.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
They haven't, I mean manifestly not. They've gotten rich, Steve,
They've gotten powerful. They have taken our information. Let's just
remember how they power these companies and how they power AI.
They come and they take our information. They go out
there and they scour everything on the web, your personal stuff,
your pictures, you're writing, whatever is out there everyday, American stuff.
Did they ask you permission? Know? They don't? They pay
you for it? No, they do not. Do they care

(05:59):
about your rights, don't care at all. They take it,
They loaded up into their large language models and whatever
AI system they're running, and then they profit off of it.
And yeah, the bargain supposedly is okay, but you'll deliver
great technological process progress that'll benefit everybody. Now, we just
see the Chinese come through with a huge breakthrough that
looks like they're out ahead in front now of this game.

(06:20):
So Silicon Valley has not kept up their pledge, their promise,
if that's what it was, to always maintain us as
number one. But meanwhile they've continued to amass all the power.
So they've got more power than ever before, and yet
here we are now starting to lag behind in terms
of technology. And you know, Steve, you and I both
know what they'll do next. These companies. They'll come to
Washington and they'll say, we need more money, we need

(06:41):
more special favors. That's what it'll bail out, give us, give.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Us for.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
One.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
Are you comfortable, sir, given your focus on the Chinese
companies party in national security, are you comfortable we did
not have an intelligence failure here? Maybe a massive intelligence
since AIS looked at as the is the potential new
super weapon to be caught by surprise? Can we afford
a spot Nick moment in the twenty first century? And
do you think the intelligence services were caught by surprise?

Speaker 6 (07:10):
I think they probably were caught by surprise. I can
certainly just say from my perspective that we had no
forewarning of this. It wasn't like a while ago. Are
the ICs they like to say the intelligence community was
flagging this and saying, oh, this could be coming. So
number one, I think it does come as a surprise.
And here's the other thing. See, we've had an incredibly
stupid policy of allowing our giant corporations like Microsoft to

(07:33):
go and build labs in China, to collaborate with China
on AI, to share IAI information, to share technology, to
share process and capability. Where has that gotten us? I
think we see today it has certainly benefited the Chinese.
Has it benefited America? I don't think so. Has it
benefited the American people? I don't think so, Steve. We
need to put in place right now limitations on the

(07:56):
transfer of AI technology to and from China. American companies
should not be sharing this information with Chinese companies and
any guys. That's easy. That ought to be put into
law right now, and we ought to recognize this for
the national security concern that it is.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Sator.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
I think you're considered by the Magabase and the populist
wing of the leading voice of populism in the Senate.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
What can one guy or a couple of men and
women do.

Speaker 7 (08:23):
Seriously, even though we control the Republicans control the Senate,
the populis wing is getting larger. Obviously President Trump's a populist,
but you're pretty small in numbers.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
What can you guys do to set things right there?

Speaker 7 (08:36):
In regards to the kind of monopolistic power of big tech.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
I think we've got to continue to push the envelope
and sound the alarm and Steve, we can't be shy
about talking about just what you're saying. I think we've
got to call out these monopolists. And listen, just because
Mark Zuckerberg is now cozying up to the president, and listen,
I'm glad Mark Zuckerberg can read an election return. He
looks at the election is like, oh, haun gee, it
looks like the American people actually don't like what I

(09:04):
was doing. You know, he wants to sell a product,
so he can read an election return. More power to him.
But we shouldn't trust him. We shouldn't trust any of
these guys bezos. I don't trust any of them, and
we would be insane, insane to now allow them to
continue to amass power and just take them at their
word when they say, oh, we won't censor you again,
we'll start behaving better. No, they won't. They're going to

(09:25):
do what's in their best interest, their bottom line, and
they will absolutely come after us again. They will try
to censor us, cancel us again if we let them
have the power. We ought to right now make clear
we are never going to put ourselves in a position
again like we were the last four years when they
tried to control our information, control our news, interfere in
presidential elections. See, we got to take away their power

(09:46):
to do that, and we'd be real foolish if we
took our eye off that ball.

Speaker 7 (09:53):
Santa Hawley, Missouri's looked at as a center of a
common sense in this country, in a bellwhether where the
folks was on these issues. No.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
I mean when you talk to them, I can tell
you they don't share, uh, the the pro technology of
the technology lovers, their view that this is all just
going to be wonderful and we have nothing to worry
about with AI. We've got nothing to worry about with
all of the transfers of technology to China. If you
come to Missouri, what I hear over and over people say,
is what's AI going to mean for my job? What's

(10:22):
it going to mean for my personal information? Am I
going to be able to keep it private? What's it
going to mean for my kid? You know, is this
is this technology going to come and take all of
my kids personal information and scoop it up. What's it
going to tell my kid? You know? My kid logs
on and has a conversation with chat GPT or Deep
Deep Seek or whatever. Is it going to like give
my kid advice on how to kill himself? Is it

(10:44):
going to give my kid advice on how to how
to do drugs? I mean, so, I think people look
at this and they say, this is really worrisome. And
here's the biggest thing, Steve the populace get the biggest
danger here is the transfer of power. It's the transfer
of power from everyday working people who are they founder
this country, to the most powerful people in the world
and the technology companies. And my concern is if we don't,

(11:05):
if we're not careful, AI will accelerate that transfer of power,
and it'll be even more power to the big guys,
even more control and even less for us, less protection
of our rights.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
We can't let that happen, Senator, Before I let you go,
confirmations last week went great for the President and for
the cabinet members.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Tomorrow we start two really tough days. We got Pam
for I guess our last day, Pam Bondy for AG.

Speaker 7 (11:29):
We've also got Bobby Kennedy's f US Day, then Cash
and Tulsi on Thursday. They've already come out in New
York Times lead story hit piece on Tulsi. They're coming
after Cash. CBS News got exclusive on some whistleblower. What
can this audience expect and what would you tell the
war and posse.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
They need to do.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
We were manning the ramparts over the last couple weeks,
particularly from Pete Hexath. What would be your what's in
store and what should we be focused on?

Speaker 6 (11:55):
Sir Well, I think you can see where the Left
is headed with this, and we're just bracing for impact
in terms of what might come out in the next
forty eight hours in terms of attempted hit pieces. But
I think the message here has got to be over
these next forty eight hours, you've got to be out
there on the record and correcting, setting straight all the
lies that are going to be told about these nominees.

(12:15):
You mentioned Cash Ptel. I think Cash in particular, I
sit on the Judiciary committee. That hearing I think is
going to be blockbuster. The Left hates this guy. They
hate him with a deep and abiding passion because he
told the truth about Russia Gate, he told the truth
about the weaponization of the FBI. He blew the whistle
on that early They did test this guy. It's interesting

(12:36):
Steven Pam Bondi's hearing before Judiciary, which went great for her.
She was phenomenal. The Democrats ended up spending half the
time on Cash matel who wasn't even there, So that
tells you where they're right. They were going to come
for him. So we've got to be ready to get
out there and set straight the lies. And we just
need Republicans to stand firm. So I can tell you
I'm I'm suited up and ready to go. It's going

(12:58):
to be a wild few days.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
Senator Hally, thank you so much. I know you're super busy.
Really appreciate you. On big Tech. You're one of the
watchdogs up there. Ever, it counts on what's your social media?
Where do they go to follow you?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Senator.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
You can call me on on x at Holly Moo
and the same handles on the Instagram and pacebook.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
Santa Holly, thank you. We'll be watching on Thursday, sir,
thank you.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
He nailed it, didn't he as we talked about it.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
Half of the half of the half of Pam's first
part of our hearing was all cash. We're going to
go to the White House We're going to go to
our White House correspondent, Natalie Winters, and we're going to
talk about manning the ramparts. What has to happen over
the next couple of days, because folks, we're down in
another fight right now. They are coming for Cash Mattel,

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Eight short break to the White House, Next America.

Speaker 10 (15:00):
An honor to be here with all of you, A
lot of familiar faces in the room, a lot of
new faces, and President Trump is back, and the Golden
Age of America has most definitely begun. The Senate has
already confirmed five of President Trump's exceptional cabinet nominees, Secretary
of State Marco Rubio, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, CIA Director

(15:21):
John Ratcliffe, Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nome, and Treasury Secretary
Scott Bessant. It is imperative that the Senate continues to
confirm the remainder of the President's well qualified nominees as
quickly as possible. Since taking the oath of office, President
Trump has taken more than three hundred executive actions, secured

(15:43):
nearly one trillion dollars in US investments, deported illegal alien rapists,
gang members, and suspected terrorists from our homeland, and restored
common sense to the federal government. I want to take
a moment to go through some of these extraordinary actions.
On Day one, President Trump declared a national emergency at

(16:03):
our southern border to end the four year long invasion
of illegal aliens under the previous administration. Additionally, President Trump
signed an executive order to end catch and release and
finished construction of his effective border wall. By using every
lever of his federal power, President Trump has sent a

(16:24):
loud and clear message to the entire world. America will
no longer tolerate illegal immigration, and this president expects that
every nation on this planet will cooperate with the repatriation
of their citizens, as proven by this weekend, when President
Trump swiftly directed his team to issue harsh and effective

(16:47):
sanctions in tariffs on the Colombian government upon hearing they
were denied a US military aircraft full of their own
citizens who were deported by this administration. Within hours, the
Colombian government agreed to all of President Trump's demands, proving
America is once again respected on the world stage. So

(17:08):
to foreign nationals who are thinking about trying to legally
enter the United States, think again. Under this president, you
will be detained and you will be deported. Every day,
Americans are safer because of the violent criminals that President
Trump's administration is removing from our communities. Before I take
your questions, I would like to point out to all

(17:30):
of you once again have access to the most transparent
and accessible president in American history. There has never been
a president who communicates with the American people and the
American press corps as openly and authentically as the forty
fifth and now forty seventh President of the United States.

(17:50):
This past week, President Trump has held multiple news conferences,
gaggled on Air Force One multiple times, and sat down
for a two part interview on Fox News which aired
last week. As Politico summed it up best, Trump is
everywhere again, and that's because President Trump has a great
story to tell about the legendary American.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Revival that is well underway.

Speaker 10 (18:16):
And in keeping with this revolutionary media approach that President
Trump deployed during the campaign, the Trump White House will
speak to all media outlets and personalities, not just the
legacy media who are seated in this room. Because, according
to recent pulling from Gallup, Americans trust in mass media.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Has fallen to a record low.

Speaker 10 (18:38):
Millions of Americans, especially young people, have turned from traditional
television outlets and newspapers to consume their news from podcasts, blogs,
social media.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
And other independent outlets.

Speaker 10 (18:50):
It's essential to our team that we share President Trump's
message everywhere and adapt this White House.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
To the new media landscape. In twenty twenty five.

Speaker 10 (19:00):
To do this, I am excited to announce the following
changes will be made to this historic James S. Brady
Briefing Room, where mister Brady's legacy will endure. This White
House believes strongly in the First Amendment, so it's why
our team will work diligently to restore the press passes
of the four hundred and forty journalists whose passes were
wrongly revoked by the previous administration. We're also opening up

(19:24):
this briefing room to new media voices who produce news
related content and whose outlet is not already represented by
one of the seats in this room. We welcome independent journalists, podcasters,
social media influencers, and content creators to apply for credentials
to cover this White.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
House, and you can apply now on our new.

Speaker 10 (19:45):
Website white House dot gov slash new Media.

Speaker 11 (19:50):
Caroline Frizie, thank you to you and Prisionery Trump for
actually giving voices to new media outlets that represent millions
and millions of Americans on the thing I would add,
I've got a two part question for you, who first
is you just can expand upon what steps the White
House is going to take to bring more voices, not less,
which is what our founder Andrew breiparko ethan into this

(20:12):
room where they rightly belong.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (20:15):
Absolutely, And as I said in my opening statement, Matt,
it is a priority of this White House to honor
the First Amendment. And it is a fact that Americans
are consuming their news media from various different platforms, especially
young people. And as the youngest Press secretary in history,
thanks to President Trump, I take great pride in opening
up this room to new media voices to share the

(20:37):
President's message with as many.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Americans as possible.

Speaker 10 (20:40):
In doing so, number one, we will ensure that outlets
like yours axios in Breitbart, which are widely respected and
viewed outlets, have an actual seat in this room every day.
We also again encourage anybody in this country, whether you
are a TikTok content creator, a blogger, a podcaster, if
you are producing legitimate news content, no matter the medium,

(21:04):
you will be allowed to apply for press credentials to
this White House. And as I said earlier, our new
media website is white House dot gov slash new Media,
and so we encourage people to apply.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Again.

Speaker 10 (21:17):
As long as you are creating news related content of
the day and you're a legitimate independent journalist, you're welcome
to cover this White House.

Speaker 11 (21:25):
Secondly, Caroline, you said you laid out several of the
actions of President Trump has taken. Obviously it's start contraction
the previous administration or breakback speed from President Trump. Can
we expect that page to continue as the hunt of
the first hundred days moves along here and beyond that.

Speaker 10 (21:42):
Absolutely, there's no doubt President Trump has always been the
hardest working man in politics. I think that's been proven
over the past week. This president has again signed more
than three hundred executive orders.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
He's taken historic action.

Speaker 10 (21:55):
I gaggle the board Air Force one to mark the
first one hundred days of this administration four pm last Friday,
our first hundred hours, rather, and this president did more
in the first hundred hours than the previous president did
in the first one hundred days.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
So President Trump, I think.

Speaker 10 (22:10):
You can all expect for him to continue to work
at this breakneck speed. So I hope you're all ready
to work very hard. I know that we are set Miller.
The American people gave President Trump an overwhelming mandate on
November fifth, and he's just trying to ensure that the
tax money going out the door in this very bankrupt
city actually aligns with the will and the priorities of
the American people.

Speaker 9 (22:31):
Yes, welcome, you look great, You're doing a great job.
You talked about transparency, and some of us in this
room know how just transparent President Trump has been the
last five or six years.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
I think you'll do the same.

Speaker 9 (22:44):
Well, my question is do you think this latest incident
with the president of Columbia is indicative of the global
powerful respect they have for President Trump moving forward not
only to engage in economic diplomacy with these countries, but
also world peace.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Absolutely.

Speaker 10 (23:04):
I'll echo the answer that the President gave on Air
Force One last night when he was asked a very
similar question by one of your colleagues in the media.
This signifies peace through strength is back, and this president
will not tolerate illegal immigration into America's interior, and he
expects every nation on this planet again to cooperate with

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the repatriation of their citizens who illegally entered into our
country and broke America's laws won't be tolerated. And as
you saw, the Colombian government quickly folded and agreed to
all the President Trump's demands.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Flights are underway once again.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Through Wow Caroline LeVert.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
Remember the first time she ran in the primary up
in New Hampshire. Look how far she's come. That was
an amazing, amazing press briefing her own. Natalie Winners, our
White House correspondent, was there. Put us in the room,
tell us what went down?

Speaker 12 (23:59):
Man, Hi, Steve.

Speaker 13 (24:01):
I don't think I'm ever going to get tired of
this background and coming to you guys live from the
White House. But so much has already happened today. I
want to put our audience inside of the room, which
I know it was my first time in there, but
I was asking everyone yes, even talking to some of
the legacy media people, they said they've never seen that
briefing room so packed. I was standing and it was

(24:22):
standing room all the way back, and I heard a
lot of side commentary of people being like, wow, it's
been so long since we've done this, It's been so
long since everyone's actually.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Actually showed up.

Speaker 13 (24:32):
Because there's actually something worth talking about. Caroline loved of course,
did a wonderful job. There were so many actually believe
it or not, familiar faces people from kind of right
wing maga media that I actually saw there, of course,
in addition to the legacy media people. But I just
want to give our audience sort of a taste of
what it was like being in there.

Speaker 12 (24:53):
It is probably, I would say, one.

Speaker 13 (24:54):
Of the most gaslighting feelings that I have ever experienced.
Why do I say that the kind of mainstream media
apparatus that is here and walking around, they have this
sense of like superiority and as if what they're doing
is both so important and you know, such a true
honor and you know, privilege and duty to the American people.

Speaker 12 (25:17):
But the sort of cognitive.

Speaker 13 (25:18):
Dissonance there is that all they're doing is lying to us, right,
And I know that that's cliche, that's not breaking news,
But it's just so interesting psychologically to be in the
room where all these people who think they're so important,
which no offense in reality, they're pseudo intellectuals sitting there
acting like they're so integral to the very fabric of

(25:38):
this country, when in reality they're just a you know,
cog and the narrative wheel. But there really is a
sense of like superiority and just self importance, and it's
really really interesting just to watch from sort of an
outsider perspective. So that to me is almost more the
interesting dynamic than what's necessarily being said at the press conference.
Like I said, you saw Matt Boyle, Brian Glenn, lot

(26:00):
of o n people who were there asking questions, Rag
and Reese from the Daily Caller, people who I don't
think were like ever called on during the Biden White House.
I'm standing here, I'm obviously on the lawn. I've seen
none other than doctor Sebastian Gorka walk outside the door.
Of course, I actually just saw Peter Navarro. Are very
own Peter Navarro about like five minutes ago leave the

(26:20):
West Wing. So it's very cool to see all the
people that we know the comm staff has been in
and around. But I can't I don't think I can
articulate it well enough. How dissonant and just weird it
is these people who have this like chip on their
shoulder that you can tell they think they're better than
all the American people who sent President Trump to the
White House, and they're all like colluding to cover it

(26:43):
and we can get into what I think the focus
today the president.

Speaker 7 (26:47):
Hang up for one second, Sure, hang on for one second.
We're taking a short break. We're gonna come back to
the White House. Natalie Wonders who want to drill down
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Speaker 2 (28:15):
Let's go back.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
Is the folks I should realize today was a monumental day.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
A monumental day they.

Speaker 7 (28:25):
Kind of you could tell the new sheriffs in town.
We've had days of thunder every day and putting out
executive actions and executive orders. In fact, I think the
ones got their head mailing down. Is this is stopping
the freezing of the funds. A federal judge in Washington,
d C. While we are on break, came out and
put a t r O on that a temporary hold

(28:45):
until a Monday hearing. So the executive action, the memo
that came from Russ votes omb and Russ is not
there yet.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
He has not been confirmed and sworn in.

Speaker 7 (28:58):
By the way, there was an assassin that I'm not
saying assassination at tempt, but they caught an individual with
I think a knife and some bomb making material that
was looking for our own Scott Besson after he was
sworn in, also Pete Hexath and Speaker Johnson.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
They got him in the Capitol. Sounded like that I
was a.

Speaker 7 (29:17):
Little deranged, but they took him away. Russ is going
to be confirmed and sworn in shortly. But omb the
acting director, put out a memo last night said freeze
all money. This is an addition to freezing all foreign a.
President Trump is saying all engines stop except for Social

(29:38):
Security and Medicare.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
He wants to see.

Speaker 7 (29:41):
Quite frankly, I think Elin and the doge guys, I
think this is a joint project to say, what's the
really the funds flow here? How does cash flow in
and out of the system. Where's the money going. We
know where it comes from the taxpayers, the Treasury, and
the Fed. We're not sure where it actually goes. And
I think that's why the left and the people depend
upon big government, the administration state are freaking out. So

(30:02):
before we talk about that NATA, because I know you
guys from reporting on it town, I want to go
back to the room.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Are they are they? Are they snotty? Are they they
taken back that all.

Speaker 7 (30:11):
Of sudden they see Breitbart News War room, Real America's
Voice One American News Newsmax. You know, the forces of
the right, the podcasters, the streaming services, the influencers, people
that were really import news. Caroline later that if you're
here and you can work, and you can report it fairly,
we'll take we'll take a hard look of putting you

(30:32):
in the room, and we're going to take the four
hundred people they canceled and get their credentials back if
they deserve it. Is that what has mainstream media their
audiences are collapsing. Is is it their prestige and influence
that they're most concerned about now? And really, you know,
up at eat when it comes to their their their
dealings with people like you.

Speaker 13 (30:55):
Totally and you know, you say, a new sheriff in town,
not just here in Washington, d C. But I think
it's reflected globally too. And that was one of the
other patterns that I really noticed, not just there's seeing
it with my own eyes, but in asking other reporters
who've been here longer, that the expansion of foreign press
who's really interested in covering the Trump white House has

(31:16):
really ballooned and expanded. So I think there's a global
appetite to cover President Trump. But to this sort of
weird dynamic that you're talking about, I mean, I would
equate it to I think the sort of twenty.

Speaker 12 (31:27):
Sixteen upset victory.

Speaker 13 (31:30):
In terms of this just I think anger, maybe you
call it envy because of the dropping show numbers and
audience numbers. I think more and what probably has an
audience that's larger than the top four or five mainstream
media shows combined. And I'm just talking about viewers, not
even engaged activist type viewers. But I think there's sort

(31:50):
of an element of, really I think soul searching.

Speaker 12 (31:54):
What do I mean by that?

Speaker 13 (31:56):
When they sit there and think that they're superior because
you know, they have their reserve seat in the briefing room.
You know, okay, you get your pat on the back
for having that. It's you know, where do you derive
that sense of superiority from. It's certainly not from audience
size or impact, because you failed in both twenty sixteen,
twenty twenty and twenty twenty four having any effect in

(32:18):
swaying and duping the American people continually. So I think
it sort of is forcing them to reckon with the
internal question of what is the legacy. What is the
enduring power of the mainstream media?

Speaker 12 (32:30):
And frankly, there is none.

Speaker 13 (32:32):
And Steve, I think to answer that question more directly, right,
I think it goes back to the critique that we
not only saw Alex Wagner really get into on MSMB
see the idea of the left becoming or the establishment,
I think more acutely becoming the defenders of the institutions.
I think the mainstream media is very similarly one of.

Speaker 12 (32:52):
Those institutions that they're being forced to defend.

Speaker 13 (32:54):
And obviously you saw what was it just two days ago,
the CIA coming out saying that, yeah, COVID came from
the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and that was one of
those I think bread and butter stories that got not
just this show deep platformed and censored our audience deep
platformed and censored, but really us I think tarred and
feather feathered, mocked and ridiculed both virtually, but even you know,

(33:15):
in person for being such wrong you know out there
conspiracy theorists, and I think that we've seen again. I
guess it's just more confirmation that this show has been
right from the get go, but that we really happen, right,
And I think that it sort of forces the uncomfortable question,
you know, why are these media outlets continuing to lie
at the behest and to cover for the Chinese Communist Party?

(33:37):
And that's because these people, though yes they are of
course bought off and paid for by the Chinese Communist Party,
I think more acutely, they're sort of the defenders of
the institution, that is, the economic and global world order
which rests upon the original sin being the Chinese Communist
Party and their kind of slave labor economic matrix existing.

Speaker 12 (33:56):
Because without that, you don't really have the sort.

Speaker 13 (33:58):
Of world economic forum, you know, new world order, I
think slave economy that they so desperately want. But I
think they are sort of forced to reckon with what
their role is and this entire kind of dare I
use the word conspiracy on my first day on the
White House lawn, But I think that is why there's
such kind of gravitas and deep I think self questioning

(34:21):
going on when they see people like war Room, like
OA and like Brian Glenn, like myself in there, because
it really is an existential threat. And I don't use
that in the climate change way. I use that in
the true definitional sense of the word to their entire
power model, and raisindetra, which is lying to the American
people to cover for a regime in the form of

(34:42):
Joe Biden, who doesn't even need to be a living,
breathing human for four years because this city, this swamp
can just sort of occur on you know, the Death
Star and just kind of a testing pattern because they
don't need a strong man. But President Trump is the
antithesis of that and represents someone who I think is
so different. And I think you see that with these
formidable people like Peter Navarro, like Caroline Levett, who are

(35:04):
actual beings and humans and entities and not these just
you know, NPC kind of grifter drifter types who don't
even need to hold press briefings because they don't even
know what's going on. So I think you're seeing sort
of the shall we say, beginning of the end, though
it's a rather hasty end because the viewership is what
like twelve thousand. I think we do that on just
one streaming platform on a weekend. But that's sort of

(35:28):
the sense that I get from being up close and
personal to people who i'd frankly rather not have to be,
but I'm happy to do it, you.

Speaker 7 (35:37):
Said, you know today when we talked about coming on,
he said, Hey, the outrage of the day. They're all
upset about the USDA and the stopping of the foreign
you know, foreign policy money going to these different things.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
A judge just ruled.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
Judge Ali Khan in DC, the most radical court, federal
court in the land, just put a tro on Omb's
memo last night to everybody that said, if less it's
social Security and medicare full stop. We want all payments,
all transformed payments. This want everybody to freeze in place
until we get our arms around this. That's breaking news

(36:11):
here from a couple of minutes ago. But up until
then it was foreign policy. What has been what has
been the reaction of the media to that?

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Today?

Speaker 13 (36:20):
Sure, I saw Mark Ellias's organization was just taking a
huge victory lap over that decision. But I would say
that that was sort of the prevailing and predominant questioning
angle that I saw both at the press briefing today
and also just about an hour ago. Steven Miller did
a little bit of a press gaggle outside the West Wing.
Basically every question was about the freeze on foreign aid,

(36:43):
maybe scattering a few about the mass deportations, but it
all sort of comes.

Speaker 12 (36:46):
Back to the thing itself.

Speaker 13 (36:48):
And you know, I opened this segment by talking about
how being in there amidst a bunch of people who
take themselves seriously though their job is to lie to
the American people.

Speaker 12 (36:56):
It's sort of the ultimate gaslight.

Speaker 13 (36:58):
And I think that the fact that this same press
corps who covered up the worst invasion of this country
in history, the worst inflation, the worst trade deals, and
administration that truly truly didn't just put America last, but
put America first. Never that they are now suddenly all
up in arms. The only question they can ask is, well,
is this freeze on foreign aid going to affect Americans?

(37:21):
Is this going to affect you know, these poor single
mother right, They always create like the worst scenario possible.

Speaker 12 (37:27):
And I just wanted to turn to them.

Speaker 13 (37:29):
And say, where have you guys been for the last
four years? I'm so glad that you guys now care
about the American people and American citizens emphasis on citizen.
But for the last four years, these people never cared
to ask a question about I don't know if any
of the policies or proposals or money coming out the
horrible Biden regime ever did anything to put the American

(37:49):
people first. So I think it sort of speaks to
how they're using every single policy, every single news directive
that comes out as a way to sort of weaponize
against whoever may be at the sticks, whoever's talking, whether
it's Caroline Lovett or President Trump. But it was just
such a funny moment where all these press corp people
are standing there saying, well, what are you going to
do for the American citizens? But in the same breath,

(38:11):
why are you deporting criminal, illegal aliens. I don't know
if they're too dumb or they just hate this country
to notice.

Speaker 12 (38:16):
What's going on.

Speaker 13 (38:17):
But I will say one bright spot, Like I said,
there was a lot of foreign press here too. I
believe it was someone from a European Union country asked
if europe should be adopting a lot of President Trump's
border policies proposals, particularly when it comes to mass deportations.
Stephen Miller said it with a resounding yes, they absolutely should.

(38:38):
And I think the journalists seem to concur but yeah,
it's really it's such a gaslight to be around these
people who now, I guess because President Trump is maybe
trying to strip rightfully, so some federal grant money. Now
they're apparently all four federal grants for the American people.

Speaker 12 (38:56):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 13 (38:56):
That's apparently a newfound sentiment among the Washington d C.
Elach press class.

Speaker 7 (39:03):
Natalie, social media, you'll be back on it tomorrow. There's
all kind of breaking news overnight. We're actually having an event.
It's just serendipity for Matt Boyle whose returns as the
national political editor from Florida to Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
From Breitbart.

Speaker 7 (39:17):
We're having an event with a lot of media folks
tonight and a lot of war room posse.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Where can people get you on social media?

Speaker 13 (39:23):
Natalie until tomorrow, Natalie, She enters on all platforms and
the White House until Joe Biden or whoever tries to
take my creds away. Thank you so much for having me, Steve,
and thank you to the Warren posse for giving me
this opportunity.

Speaker 7 (39:40):
Thanks, Natalie. Great job, fantastic job, historic day. Think about it,
and you've seen I think what's so great as you've
seen these young people. If you notice ball has been
on the show for the last couple of years.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
He's been over Breitbart forever. He started very young, right
out of American UNIFSE.

Speaker 7 (40:00):
You think he was in his early twenties when he
was a reported at the Daily Caller, and then we
got him over to Breitbart, then we made him political editor.
You've seen, you've seen So, you've seen Matt, You've seen
Caroline Lovett. Remember at the time she was barely I
think eligible age wise to even run for Congress. Remember
that that great the first tempting when she did the

(40:20):
when the primary was just absolutely intense, and she was
so good on her feet, and then she went back
and got the job in the campaign, did a super job,
and now she's the youngest Press secretary in the history
of the White House.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
And just amazing. Of course, our own Natalie Winners.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
You've seen, and Natalie started here as an intern, I
think at eighteen years old.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Brian Glenn was a right.

Speaker 7 (40:39):
Side broadcasting for years, doing all the rallies in twenty one, well,
twenty and twenty one, but twenty one twenty two when
it was looked pretty grim for President Trump. Just amazing
all of them at the White House. Now just absolutely
incredible short commercial break back in the war in just
a moment.

Speaker 8 (40:59):
So many Americans do not want to do so, how
do you How does President Trump make sure that the
effort to deport people who are not in this country
legally doesn't end up hurting Americans who want safe borders
absolutely but also don't want to see even more higher

(41:19):
prices in groceries.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Well, I'm sure it's not your position, Jake. You're just
asking the question that we should supply America's food with
exploitative illegal alien labor. I obviously don't think that's what
you're implying. Only one percent of alien workers in the
entire country work in agriculture. The top destination for illegal
aliens are large cities like New York, like Los Angeles,

(41:44):
and small industrial talents.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Of course, all across the heartlant As we've.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
Seen with the Biden floods, None of those illegal aliens
are doing farm work. Those thirty thousand legal aliens that
Joe Biden dumped.

Speaker 8 (41:55):
Into springs, I'm talking about the ones that know no, no,
but no.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
But I'm explaining this.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
It's important and now you're kind of.

Speaker 8 (42:00):
Changing with those I mean, I will I will go.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
I will give me thirty minutes, all goes deep as
you want to, I don't, will you and your audience.

Speaker 8 (42:07):
I don't have a fair I'm talking about the ones
that could that work.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
In the agriculture industry.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
I mean, I'm explaining back your auductive.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
About the ones in the cities.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I swear I'll do.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
The I'll do the whole answer.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
The illegal aliens that Joe Biden brought into our country
are not full stop doing farm work. They are not
the illegal aliens you brought in from Venezuela, from Haiti,
from Nicarauagua. They are not doing farm work.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
They are inner.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Cities collecting welfare.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
As for the farmers, there is a guest worker program
that President Trump supports. Over time as well, we will
transition into automation so we'll never have to have this
conversation ever again. But there's no universe in which this
nation is going to allow the previous president to flutter
a nation with millions and millions of illegal aliens who.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Just get to stay here.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
And we are especially not going to allow a subset
of those illegal aliens to rape and murder our citizens.
So we are going to unapologetically enforcer immigrant laws, and
as I'm sure you will celebrate, we are going to
unleash the power and might of the US government to
eradicate the presence of transnational threats on our soil.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
Oh my god, that's Steven Miller. That's Pete Miller right there. Hey,
he may not have a good bedside manner, but he
can deliver. Jake Tapper blown out and everything he said
when Miller.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Talks, they're all facts. Got Steve Cortez.

Speaker 7 (43:25):
Steve Cortez is doing a special documentary down on something
he's talked about a long time, taking these Hispanic counties
with Hispanic citizens and flipping them to MAGA. But Cortez,
I've got to ask you for your response right there.
We've wanted someone like Steven Miller to go in at
fighting into this mainstream media when they ask these cheap

(43:45):
shot questions all the time, over and over again. He
comes back with facts and they don't want to hear Jake.
Jake Tapper once again, there as quickly as possible, your
thoughts on Stephen Miller, Sir, Well, it.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Was a magnificent performance using facts and you using the
skills to defend the American people. Because he prioritizes the
interests of regular Americans, the hard working, assaulted, the earth
citizens of this country who have been so abused by
the globalists and by their spokespeople like Jake Tapper. So
I'm here in Star County on the US Mexico border.

(44:19):
I'm just yards away right now from the Rio Grande River.
This is the most Hispanic county in America, Steve. It's
ninety seven percent Hispanic. It's also a gritty, working class place.
It used to be solidly democratic. In one hundred years,
they hadn't voted for a Republican for president.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
They just did.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
And Donald Trump didn't just win, He won it walking away.
It was a walk off home run. He won it
by sixteen percent. And to give you the number of Steve,
because I know in the war room you like data
and evidence. What's happening here in just over eight years.
In twenty sixteen, President Trump lost Star County to Hillary
Clinton b sixty percent.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
He was walloped here.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
However, because of how he governed and how he protected
the border, and how he prioritized the interests of working class.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Americans, he nearly won this place. In twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
He only lost it by five percent, massive performance. He
then won it by sixteen percent this time around, and
more gains from there to come. By the way, it's
not unique to Star County. I think this is the
most incredible example. But if you look along the entire border,
almost all of which was solidly Democratic previously, it's now
almost all red Republican because of the transformation of the

(45:23):
Republican Party into a worker's first, America First movement.

Speaker 7 (45:29):
You're down there to make a doc you're making these documentaries.
You've got this American worker movement that you're heading. What
are people when you're talking to him down there in
Star County, these working class Hispanics in this kind of
hard bitten county. What are they telling you? Why did
they back Trump? Why did they flip so hard from
Democrat to Maga.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Well, the first thing is the economy.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I think that's true for most Americans, right, but particular
for working class people because this inflation has been so
punishing to working class folks, and almost all Hispanics statistically
are working class Americans. The inflation has just been ravaging
to them. Also unique to Hispanics, they're the most entrepreneurial
demographic in America. Well, small business entrepreneurs were disproportionately harmed

(46:10):
by the policies of Joe Biden, the globalist policies, the
inflationary policies that were great for mega international conglomerates but
terrible for small business. So that's the first part. The
second part, of course, here is at the border. They
see firsthand the ravages of an open border, of awful
lack of border enforcement. They see the violence and the
depredation here at the border. And then the third aspect,

(46:33):
though this is fascinating and I've really learned this in
talking to the locals, is culture. These are culturally conservative people.
These are people here who believe, for example, that there
are two sexes. They believe there shouldn't be boys in girls' sports.
They believe that mutilating the private parts of a child
is an abomination, even if it's done in a hospital
under the guise of healthcare. So these folks, many of

(46:55):
whom consider themselves to be Democrats, have come to realize, thankfully,
that the radical, collized extremist Democrat Party of the twenty
twenties is no political home for them. So on all
three of those issues, on inflation, on immigration, and on culture,
Hispanics all over this country continue to rally to our
cause as long as we keep it about populist nationalist

(47:17):
economics combined with cultural conservatism.

Speaker 7 (47:22):
Steve, where do people get these doctor you're putting together?
Where they get all the content you're putting up at
your workers site?

Speaker 6 (47:29):
So best place to find me the League of.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
American Workers is a workers dot com, But the best
place to follow most of my content is on the
Twitter the X I'm at Cortes Steve Cortes with an S.
This specific documentary will be out in just a few weeks.
We turn them out pretty quickly, so I'll encourage everybody
to please keep an eye out for this one.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
It's going to be powerful.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
We talk to a lot of really persuasive, amazing American
patriots here in Star County today, and we produced I think,
or had the beginning of producing a fantastic piece of
information combined with some arts.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
I think We're gonna try and track to you on Tomorro.

Speaker 7 (48:03):
I want to find out but what they think about
the military to the border, how secure they feel right now?
Steve Cortez Starr County. The first guy to target Star
County was Steve Cortez. He says, Hey, I think we
can win this one sixteen point win for President Trump.
A county that is ninety seven percent Hispanic working class,
ninety seven percent Hispanic Trump the victor by sixteen percent.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
That ladies and gentlemen is.

Speaker 7 (48:31):
A nineteen thirty two type tectonic plate shift. We're going
to take a short commercial break target and signing. The
President Trump just signed an executive order about transgenders.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Terry Shilling's going to join us.

Speaker 7 (48:43):
We've got Frank Gaffney, John Guandola on this situation in
the Middle East.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
We're going to break it down off of you. Joe
Allen and Michael

Speaker 7 (48:51):
Walsh a new book out Short Short break Back in
a moment,