THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4267)

THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, FEBRUARY 13TH, 2025

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you, mister Speaker.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Mister Speaker, I rise today because I am deeply concerned
that we are headed towards a government shutdown, which is
on March fourteenth. And it's not about whether Democrats or
Republicans would win politically, because we know the American people
will lose. But let me tell you why I'm deeply
concerned that we are headed to a government shut down

(00:22):
on March fourteenth. I'm worried because the Speaker has not
brought the twelve individual spending bills, the way we should
fund the government, in fact, the promise that was made
by my Republican colleagues on how we would fund the government.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Republicans have made the argument.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
That the last election was about the status quo disappearing.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
It can't exist. People are fed up.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
They created Doge right Doge, which is going through the
federal government and finding fraud, waste, and abuse, so they say, so,
they claim.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
But if that it's true, mister Speaker, if.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Elon Muskin Doge has found all this fraud and waste
and abuse hundreds of billions of dollars as they claim,
well then mister Speaker, we can't fund the government by
cr anymore. Because the CR would refund all of that waste, fraud,
and abuse that DOGE has found, which means the only
way to fund the government is to fund it by

(01:23):
individual spending bills. But we're running out of time, mister Speaker.
We have a month before the government shuts down. We
got to get back to the process of individual spending
bills if we don't. If we don't, then the Speaker
will be the one who will have closed the government
for the American people.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
And so I'm I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm here to work with the Speaker on the twelve
individual spending bills. Democrats are at the table to do that.
But we have to be honest. We can't tell the
American people we're for reducing fraud, waste, and abuse, we're
for government efficiency, look at all these things we have found,
and then say, but we're going to refund them all

(02:04):
with a clean CR. And so, mister Speaker, I rise
to say, I'm here. I'm willing to stay weekends. I'm
willing to work for the next month so that we
can fund the government appropriately by the twelve individual spending bills,
a promise that my Republican colleagues made. But the Speaker's
got to start getting that train moving, otherwise he will

(02:27):
close the government.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Can we go on the hill today? They had Johnson
open to and I don't think I got it to.
But if we can get Johnson's open to a clean
cr for the rest of the year.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
And we'll dip back into this budget hearing.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Jody Errington has been probably one of the guys up
there trying to cut the budget most. But they do
these ten year bills, and one Congress can't bind another.
They do these ten year bills. It's really a theoretical exercise.
We're in a financial crime. It's a turnaround. In a turnaround,

(03:03):
the only thing that matters is the here and now.
I need to know what action we're taking today. What
a church will put on the top of the top
of the memo every day, they would send him stuff,
do this, do that. But being a goat, this is
thank you to action this day, action, this day, action,
this day, take action on it. You have those running

(03:25):
around and look, it is a blunt force instrument and
you can already tell the blunt force trauma.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Now, I would like to codify.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Some of this and see because you have things coming
out and like USAAD people have worked on that for years.
It's great it's been exposed now. It should have been
exposed all these committees. And remember we ran these committees
under Paul Ryan. We ran these committees under under Kevin
McCarthy before McCarthy was turfed out. We lost those fights.

(03:54):
The Republicans are the ones that helped cover it up.
Democrat money laundering operations. It's all over the place and
cash is all over the place. But like I have
said on this show, since I don't know December when
DOGE was kind of announced, you have to merge the processes.

(04:15):
And I recommended that DOGE be a part of OMB.
Guess what it's part of omb Office of Management budget
is what works through and has to manage what the
Appropriation Committee comes out with. But Russ Voten and those
guys are deep into the details programmatically what you have
to do, and I said that you had to merge

(04:36):
the processes, the DOGE process with the appropriations process. That's Moskovitz.
His staff is obviously watching the show. Fine, I love it.
I'd love to having a Democrat up there saying it.
Now he's trying to do it for political points, but
that's fine, that's okay.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
He laid out the MAGA case.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
He laid out what we fought McCarthy about in January
twenty twenty three.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Remember that single subjec appropriations bills.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Why do we fight so hard for that, because theoretically
that's where you see in USA. I d all the nonsense,
all the crap you can argue at a subcommittee level,
even before you go up to a committee level. It's
about the process. They say, Oh, they're not institutionals, they
want to burn into the ground. No, we actually are
the ones that got into the system to work the system.

(05:22):
But since the system's protected and Holly just told you
you think Hally's job's a popular job in the Senate.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
The guy gets grief every day. That's one of the
reasons I like.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Having him on here. You hear it all the time.
Hally's out in the limb. Hally's on an island because
he's trying to stand up for working class people in
this country. They're not you don't you don't come. There's
not a lot of outshot. Oh, cash flow's about to
start right now. Let's go let's go to, let's go to.
I'll continue this rant after a Cashow, let's go.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, just to put in a box. Uh, you know,
we're trying to do this in live television. Pleassure there.
So cash this this is the committee level.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Are they talk? If they talk, let me know. We'll
go to the vote of twelve to ten. The nomination
will be.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
Favorably reported to the floor. Uh do you want to speak? Yeah,
please do now? And uh well some I gotta go vote.
Well some senator on my side, stay.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
Thank you, Thank you, mister chairman. I believe.

Speaker 8 (06:57):
That this country, in this Congress, is in the midst
of what has been a slow moving but rapidly accelerating
constitutional crisis. It began most visibly on January sixth of
twenty twenty one, when the two norms of this Republic,

(07:22):
the peaceful transfer of power and the renunciation of violence,
were breached, and where many members of the House and
Senate voted against certifying the election of the person chosen
by the American people.

Speaker 7 (07:43):
President Trump then.

Speaker 9 (07:46):
In.

Speaker 8 (07:46):
President Trump today continues to assert that the twenty twenty
election was stolen. Stopped the steal. He won the twenty
twenty four election. His election was certified. He's entitled as

(08:13):
President to vigorously use the powers of the presidency to
implement the policies that he advocates. He's not entitled to
violate the Constitution in his effort to do so, Mister Chairman,

(08:36):
of my view, the beginning of the Trump administration is
showing a contempt for the Constitution in a lawlessness that
is dangerous to the future of our republic. Freezing federal
spending clearly unconstitutional, shutting down agents created by Congress with

(09:02):
no authority to do so, Removing leaders of agencies, including
inspector generals, against.

Speaker 7 (09:10):
The clear.

Speaker 8 (09:13):
Requirements of law, firing a government employees subject who have
civil service protections, threatening to deport people based on their
political views, revoking by executive authority birthright citizenship. These are

(09:36):
just some of the actions that the president has taken
where he has no authority to do so. On Monday,
a federal judge said that the White House defied his
order to release billions of dollars in federal grants, the

(10:00):
the first time a judge has expressly declared that the
Trump administration is disobeying a judicial mandate. This country is
headed into a situation where, in addition to acting without
the authority. The president is indicating he will defy rulings

(10:23):
from the third branch of our government to judiciary. Vice
President Vance has made very clear his point of view
on this. Judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate powers.
Of course, under our constitution, since Marlbury versus Madison, the

(10:45):
Court is the final arbiter of what is constitutional or
what is not. My colleagues, my view of this is
that the administration is showing maxim the contempt for core
constitutional values, including most importantly the separation of powers.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
We have a dilemma here.

Speaker 8 (11:19):
There are many in this committee that are fully in
support of the policies that President Trump is pursuing.

Speaker 7 (11:29):
That's, of course your right and his right.

Speaker 8 (11:36):
But the unique responsibility each of us, as a United
States Senator has is to guarantee that in pursuit of
those policies, it is done within the constitutional boundaries. This
is not just to talk about civic aspiration. It's in

(11:58):
recognition that the separation of powers, that the system of
checks and balances, that the concept that ambition and the
executive should be matched with the ambition in the legislature
has held this country together for two hundred and fifty years.

(12:24):
We have fierce debates about important public policy matters. But
what allows us to resolve those despite disagreements, intense disagreements,
is the pushing and the shoving, the engagement, the winning

(12:50):
and moving forward, losing a fight and falling back, but
all within the norms of the Constitution.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
That's being threatened.

Speaker 8 (13:02):
And I don't say that lightly, but what has happened
on January sixth is continuing and.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
Where we saw.

Speaker 8 (13:11):
To stop the steal, the renunciation of the decision that
the American people made on twenty twenty in that election,
and the candidates, many of them who came before us,
including mister Petel, unable to simply say who won the
twenty twenty election, continuing to stop the steal narrative, and

(13:38):
then with President Trump in his first weeks in office,
acting in ways that challenge the constitutional order, I'm voting
against mister Patel because he is clearly an instrument in

(14:01):
that effort to continue rode the precepts of the Constitution
on the separation of powers. Colleagues, this is a very
difficult time, particularly for my colleagues on the Republican side.
You support many of the President Trump's policies, and as

(14:23):
I say that, you're right, but it is so essential
to each of us as a US center to make
our own judgments about whether the manner in which power
is being used on the executive branch is a threat
to the power of the legislative branch, the Article one branch.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
We each of us must be custodians.

Speaker 8 (14:49):
Of that constitutional order in our role as the legislature
in it.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
Tough judgments that have to be made.

Speaker 8 (14:59):
My judgment is that the President is showing absolute contempt
for the United States Congress, and the next stop is
contempt for the United States Judiciary. I cannot vote for
a person who signed on to that agenda.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
I yielded floor right there. That's Senator Peter Welch.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
The reason I played that in its entirety was I
think it sums up perfectly. Remember this show, this audience,
you the war and Posse where the railhead of this.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
That the twenty twenty election was.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I keep saying, and people want to you know, the
Republican rhinos and all the fox that they just want
to kick it. No, no, let's not talk about it.
Let's not talk about it. Welch just laid it out
right there. It is two different. It's the twenty twenty
election was stolen, obviously was stolen, and look at everything
that's happened since then against America. Just think about what's

(16:09):
happening here in the last twenty four hours. Harnwell was
going to join me in a second from Rome. We've
got to get into this, the Ukraine, the geopolitics of Europe.
Harnwell and the last you know, been with us three
four years or I guess four years or longer.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
It was five years since the show started.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
It's it's and everything's come to fruition in the last
twenty four to forty eight hours in Europe has been historic.
Everything we've talked about in the show one hundred percent,
not ninety nine one hundred percent, and Welsh laid it.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Out there and I respect him for it.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
I can understand if you're not, if you're not with
us on the twenty twenty election being stolen, I got
that you're wrong. But you can have your opinion. It's
wrong opinion, but that's fine. That's what country's about. They
can't tell.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
People what their opinion is, what they should think.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
That's what we thought of revolution of her, but that
revolution continues, and Cash Pttel is an instrument.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
He is an instrument.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
He's going to be an instrument to clean out what
has been allowed to deteriorate and become a weapon against
the American people. And that's the American Gestapo, the FBI,
which has almost no support among the American people today.
I think the vote was twelve to ten. At the
same time, Bobby Kennedy, this is Living History the show now,

(17:37):
and we're glad to do it because I think we're
only people to do it. We will cut in and
out of these lives and the show will be a
tie tad choppy as we do it on Life TV.
But you're seeing history in the making. It's actually like
you could be there during the American Revolution. And remember
you're just not sitting there with your channel changer. What

(17:58):
is happening on Capitol Hill today. Bobby Kennedy's vote, Cash
Ptail's vote is because of your agency. That's why I
want to stirn up beforehand. Your agency the New York
magazine New York, not the New York and New York magazine,
which is another you know, it's a left wing very

(18:19):
intelligently edited and written, has a great piece up today
and what democrats could learn from from the war room from.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Me, and it all boils down to.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
A populist movement versus the oligarchs in Silicon Valley, the
techno feudalists, and the key point the buried Leader's got
all the way down towards the end of the article,
it's about human agency. The oligarchs in AI want to
take your agency. They want to take your job. Remember
your jobs. On a job, it's the way you manifest yourself,

(18:53):
your being in the world. It's what you've dedicated yourself
to do. Some people hate their jobs. That shouldn't do that.
Some people do.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Some people think they're boxed in.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Many many people, and I think most people love their
jobs because it's what they do. It's how they one
of the ways they manifest themselves. They manifest their being.
The oligarchs and artificial intelligence and the whole singularity want
to take that from you. They're going to give agency
to the algorithm in the algorithmic age. It's about your agency.

(19:26):
Your agency. In this show today on Capitol Hill in
the Senate, which is the Human Resources Department by the Constitution,
Advice and Consent, they just consented to Cashptel at the
Committee of Jurisdiction, the Judiciary Committee twelve to ten. It
will now go to the floor and Cash Battel will

(19:47):
win the vote on the floor and become the next
FBI director.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Think about that for a second.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Cash Patel, who you've known for years on this show,
or if you're going to Trump rallies or read his
books or seeing on other of these podcast or interviewed
by people seeing him on other real American voice Bobby
Kennedy the same way. The first time Bobby Kennedy was
ever introduced to a MAGA audience was on this show
years ago. Why the book brought to me by Tony

(20:14):
Lyons called The Case against Anthony Fauci. It's about that
Dick and it's it's it's published like on paper, the
old yellow pages. It's like a phone book. It looks
totally inaccessible. It's just page at the page of court
and it's mesmerizing. The audience love we had him, Remember
we had him on for a couple hours years ago
on a Saturday.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
People couldn't get enough of it.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
RFK, do we have a final vote? Fifty six fifty one,
forty six Robert F. Kennedy Junior is the Secretary of
Health and Human Services. This historic marked the time at
eleven twenty am Eastern Time on the what the thirteenth

(20:58):
of worry Here I put, I was thinking a thirteen
made hopefully did open the show with at third thirteen
February twenty twenty five, I was thinking May when so
many had content or for the show Historic day, Historic
twenty four hours yesterday, we finally gave the word to Europe,

(21:19):
which we should have.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
We tried to many times in the Trump first term.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
We tried doing this show all the time that you're
not a vassal state, you're not a protectorate. You have
to stand up and be you know, we're your ally,
but we're not there.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
To wet nurse you.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
And because you don't pay for your defense, you can
give your citizens full health care, free college pensions at
fifty eight weeks off in the summer, fully paid. Our
people don't have that. And that's not right that we're
underwriting your defense and you're skiing up in Gristad and
you know, you're hanging out in Tuscany, in Provence, in

(21:59):
the West End London. You're the elites living high living
high on the hog. You go over there and you see,
you go to you go to London and you see
what used to be one of the greatest nations on earth.
What's happened to the London, the city with all the
wealth from all over the world, and not an Englishman
in sight? Is that what you want? Is that what
you want your country to turn into, where the world's

(22:22):
global elites just come and just come and do what
they wilt in your own country and yours a countryman,
and you as someone that's been there for generations and
generations and generations and the families that fought the wars
and gone to work and built in society and done
everything on the civic society to build it that you're
just cast society and mocked and ridiculed. Is that what

(22:42):
a country is about? Is that sovereignty? I don't think
so that's what this fight's about. That's on the different
in the House today, in the House and in the
Indies where they have these conferences, they're doing a budget
markup and until somebody can convince in something basic and
I used to do this and go into companies that
need to turn arounds, restructuring debt restructions. They get in

(23:05):
there and they got every guy's got a different thing.
In three years is going to be fine and everything
stop just stop, just stop. That's not relevant because you're
not going to be here in three years. You need
to get focused on today and tomorrow and the next
day and how you're going to make it through, and
how you're going to make it through is get down
and preserve cash and figure out how you can use

(23:26):
a little bit of cash you got in the cash
flow you got to get through so you can see
better days. What's happening here. It's no penalty. It's been obscure.
One of the things of the show is to make
things not obscure. This is what we spend the time doing.
Why because we understand if we give information that the

(23:47):
American people can then take on board and think about
and all over and chew on and think about, and
they'll come to their own decision.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
And we make a bet. We are long. We don't short.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
We are long the common sense and decency and hard
headedness and grit and determination of the American people. You
know why, because I look back over history, I can
see pattern recognition. If you go long, the American people.
You turn out, things turn out okay. Things turn out
okay because why because they're decent, hardworking, hard headed, grit

(24:33):
with an attitude. And that's why they've freed more people
than any nation on Earth. They've created more wealth than
any nation on Earth. They've done more good than any
nation on Earth in the history of the Earth. But
what we've had, and we've allowed to deteriorate, is that

(24:53):
we've allowed in becoming a hedgemon, this political class, with
the sociopathic overlords on Wall Street, and now this apartheid
state that they created among progressive Democrats out in Silicon
Valley that is quite frankly out of control. And it's
coming through and it's going to come through a scythe
through grass and the only it's not a disagreement with

(25:16):
Josh Hawley.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
It's an addition.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
The jobs, the first wave of jobs artificial intelligence is
coming for that are going to be massive and big.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Are not blue collar jobs.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yes, there will be factory automation, you can see that
happening already. You can see in the automation of the
cars and all that There will be blue collar jobs
are non manager or administrative jobs that will take in
but the big swath is going to come from lower
tier managerial, administrative, and technical jobs. So as the people

(25:52):
under thirty five years old who don't already have all
the pressure in the world on them because the economy
is structured against them, their country works against them.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Now they've got to add this.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
All those entry level jobs on which you go into
the workforce in your twenties, in your early twenties, and
you understand how the world works as you press through
into your twenties, those are by and large going to go,
and they're going to go pretty rapidly. Elon Mosk is saying,

(26:27):
and I don't agree with unless it's reviewed and somebody
checks it, putting artificial intelligence into these apparatuses unless we
sign off on that. But his direction, he's saying, I'm
putting artificial intelligence into these different communications and technology and
systems because we can cut costs, we can cut manpower

(26:50):
by fifty percent minimum. And that goes basically from the
two and a half million bureaucrats I don't know, down
to a million, two five or a million.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Why because of artificial intelligence?

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Why Because many, many, many administrative managerial positions will just
be completely totally automated, and you'll pay for the people
that have the judgment, although they'll come for the people
paying the judgment eventually, because they'll have ten billion computers
at one time interconnected, and so even the judgment of

(27:22):
what you're paying a senior part in a law firm
or a senior part of an investment bank. Most trading,
if you notice in the New York Stock Exchange, remember
used to go down there and you have the guys
like on the movie Wall Street, and everybody's yelling in
the pit and they're yeng they got priced, they got
a bid into then ask, and you got these guys
that are able to process it and kind of manage
the markets. You notice when CNBC goes there, you don't
see it's like it's like it's quieter than a church,

(27:46):
or it's as quiet as the empty Catholic churches in
midtown Manhattan. Why because all the trading's done computer to computer.
You look at most of these hedgephones, it's all computer
to computer trading. It's all trading on who's who's creating
the best algorithm.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
We live in the algorithmic age.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Where is man? Where is man? Where is Man's position
in the algorithmic age and the people there driving the
algorithmic age. You've seen this. Look at the young doge guys.
Don't know if you know you be hanging out with
those guys in college right, don't know. I certainly wouldn't be.

(28:29):
Not my style, bro, But good on you. Glad that's
working out for you. That's the future unless you exert
your human agency. Human agency. You're seeing it at every
place on Capitol Hill today, and you're seeing it. The
way is President Trump is going to have He couldn't
be more excited. Today's reciprocity on tariffs, all that work,

(28:54):
all that thinking boom personified.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
And Peter Navara, Peter Navares is President Trump's wingman on this.
You ever seen Peter Navar?

Speaker 9 (29:00):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, Sa, I'm on war room day in and day out,
day in and day out, day in and day out.
That today happens in the Oval Office and happens because
of you.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Your power is unlimited.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Once you understand you actually have the power, it's manifested today.
Fifty one, I think forty seven. I think Mitch McConnell,
just to stick it to President Trump, he's a no.
Bobby Kennedy is Secretary of HHS Cash Bettel has got
a committee twelve to ten. Just remember, folks, it was
only weeks ago they told you all that was impossible

(29:41):
before this audience fixed banets and said, I don't know
about that. I think it's not just possible, it's probable.
History in the making because of you short break back in.

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(33:23):
of the war room. It clocks into ten seconds. But
let's go ahead and play it.

Speaker 8 (33:29):
To be clear, as part of any security guarantee, there
will not be US troops deployed to Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Kaboom, warm uh. Ben, tell me about this whole thing,
because now it's evolving. Zelensky. We've been laying at a
framework for the president that the president thing's knocking it down,
and he's come through the chase.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Not going to talk to Zelensky. He's going to talk
to Putin to figure this thing out as he should.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
It's been enough nonsense from the Boris Johnson's of the world,
and NATO's guys have gotten people killed. A country looks
like Dresden and they're not putting up any money. Trump's
stunned them, they said, again, reiterated when Pete Heggsas said, Hey,
Europe's just not at the top of the list.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
For American security gear.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
If American security concerns is not Panamaca and out of Greenland,
you know, maybe in the South China Sea, in Taiwan,
because twenty five percent of our economy deals with it,
got an ally in the Middle East, in Israel, it's
got issues.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
But what you guys doing in Europe it's.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
You know, it's not number one, and you guys are
gont have to deal with it. Oh, by the way,
President Trump says five percent of GDP should go defense.
Ben you've lived over that. You've been in England, you're English.
You were at the European Parliament, a big player there.
You've been in out of Commons, now in Rome, the
Eternal City. What would happen to the European elites if

(34:52):
they actually had to pay five percent of GDP for
the defense, given that America pays about three and a
half percent, and it's way too much outrageous and subscene
because the Europeans have been dead beats and kind of
leached office for years.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
The elites, what would happen if they had to go
to five percent, Sir.

Speaker 9 (35:10):
Steve, good morning for a brilliant question.

Speaker 10 (35:13):
And the whole of contental Europe would go populist, nationalist
the subsequent election in whatever country it is, because they
know that Russia is not the threat that the elites
are claiming it is. Look war and possibly good morning
to you. I was going to start off, Steve, quoting
one of your favorite philosophers about there being decades when

(35:34):
nothing happens, When in the last few.

Speaker 9 (35:38):
Hours years have happened.

Speaker 10 (35:39):
Literally, in the last twenty four hours, the political needle
on Ukraine has moved more than in the last three
years we had in that the shortest cold open ever,
but so much, so much moving in those ten seconds.

Speaker 9 (35:54):
Pete Haigs finally saying what.

Speaker 10 (35:56):
Had been leaked I think probably on deep background for
the about the day before that about but then he
came in at this this this meeting of defense meters,
the defense ministers and went straight on the record.

Speaker 9 (36:13):
With that that's something.

Speaker 10 (36:14):
Look, Steve, I have to pay tribute to the warring
posse here. This show was the first and pretty much
the only voice talking about security guarantees, that the binding
in the entrapment of the US security guarantees.

Speaker 9 (36:31):
We've been the only voice.

Speaker 10 (36:32):
And I think it's the pressure of this this audience
that has actually got the Secretary of Defense took out
there and say explicitly security US provided security guarantees will
not involve.

Speaker 9 (36:43):
US boots on the.

Speaker 10 (36:45):
Ground, because nobody was talking about it apart from this show.

Speaker 9 (36:50):
And then those people who in the media who follow
this show.

Speaker 10 (36:53):
The other thing, Steve, So we had that Pete haigsf
finally and that will make a lot of people that
follow this show very very happy President Trump.

Speaker 9 (37:02):
This is some extent, it's saving the best to last.

Speaker 10 (37:06):
On social media platform, Truth said yesterday that he had
spoken to Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 9 (37:15):
They spoke forbout ninety minutes, and.

Speaker 10 (37:17):
He said that they had agreed to have their respective
team start negotiations immediately. Now, in and of itself, that's
not what has got the European press in meltdown from
this morning onwards every single European newspaper has been writing
about this. It's not the fact that he had this

(37:37):
phone call, it's the fact, I think he said the
president President is sending a Trump a message, and we'll
go into that. It's the way he rolled out the
fact and the in your face lack of consultations about
that phone call that has got all the European chancellors panicking.
Specifically on one point, Steve. Vladimir Zelensky had been bitching

(38:04):
repeatedly to the President that he thought Potus should speak
to him first before Putin.

Speaker 9 (38:11):
And if you'll notice in the statement in his President Trump's.

Speaker 10 (38:15):
Social media post, he said, I've spoken to Putin. We're
going to start negotiating negotiations immediately, and I will be
having a phone call. I was the next thing I'm
going to do, is said, I'm going to have a
phone call with the President Zelensky.

Speaker 9 (38:32):
I'm briefing about it.

Speaker 10 (38:33):
For those Steve who have eyes to see, that was
a massive cutting down to size of President Zelenski publicly,
I have to say I think it was even basically
a public humiliation and it was a long time coming.
And I'll say this, Steve, because on this show. We've
been sort of since the inauguration on January the twentieth.

(38:55):
Every time I've been coming on the show, I've been
expressing a slight amount of patients with the way things
were going. And we said, Steve, I think the President
hasn't made.

Speaker 9 (39:07):
His mind on how he wants to do this, and
I think that's the case. And in the end, I just.

Speaker 10 (39:14):
Think Potus had had enough of Zelensky's posturing, continuing to
say day after day, because this is something that we
text about in real time constantly. Zelenski is constantly pushing
out the United States to be paying for its security guarantees.
And I think President Trump but basically said, you know what,

(39:35):
I'm done.

Speaker 9 (39:36):
I've had enough. I'm not gonna wait.

Speaker 10 (39:37):
For General Kellogg to fly to Kiev on I think
the twentieth of February, the third anniversary.

Speaker 9 (39:43):
I'm not gonna wait for it.

Speaker 10 (39:44):
I'm not gonna wait for Vice President Vance to sit
down with General Kellogg in Munich.

Speaker 9 (39:50):
Not gonna. I'm done. I'm done.

Speaker 10 (39:52):
I've had enough of being hectored and badgered by Ukraine
because they have not shown the United States or President
Trump the respect that I think was due. Hence, in
the last twenty four hours, Steve, we have seen more.
We've had this statement from President Trump and as if
you want, I can go into just how the European
capitals are melting down on.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
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Speaker 10 (40:17):
So one of the things that that President Trump has
said is that there'll be no native membership form for Ukraine.

Speaker 9 (40:26):
And we've been sort of mentioning this repeatedly.

Speaker 10 (40:28):
That this was really a negotiating tactic of Zelenski's say, okay,
I relinquish NATO membership, but I want the US provided
security guarantees in their place.

Speaker 9 (40:38):
He's not going to get either.

Speaker 10 (40:40):
But you had this absurd scenario where, for example, Sweden
came out this morning saying, oh, look, you know, we're
not know nothing's being closed down. It's still possible that
Ukraine can join NATO. It's a direct countering of what President.

Speaker 9 (40:57):
Trump has just said. And you know, you think yourself, well,
hang on a minute, hang on.

Speaker 10 (41:01):
Sweden hasn't even been in NATO for twelve months, yet
it spends just a little over two percent of its
two point two percent, to be precise, of its defense
of GDP has slightly over the minimum target, which do
you know how much that is? It's twelve billion dollars
equivalent a year on its defense, a massive free ride,

(41:25):
massive free ride at American taxpayers expense, because like for like,
no one is going to invade the United States. But
Sweden's risk isn't zero. So Sweden with this twelve billion
of defense, and I think the US racks that have
been a couple of days in terms of interest payments

(41:45):
on its own own, its own debt. Sweden will make
no difference whatsoever to any incident that takes place in
the United States. But the United States is a big
gift to Sweden. So there they are in NATO for
less than twelve months, and they're directly cutting across what
President Trump has said a make up, being by far

(42:06):
the largest donor to NATO. I know we're coming up
to a break, but I'll say this, it is time.
I would desperately say to President Trump, I think for
the health and safety of NATO and the United States,
it is to be considered withdrawing America from the alliance,
and that the Europeans pay for it. It's pay for
NATO themselves. I think they'd be less risk involved in that,

(42:30):
and finally on the paying of NATO and the European strategy.

Speaker 9 (42:35):
I closed with this and hand back to you. The
whole strategy of.

Speaker 10 (42:39):
The last three years was to isolate Russia, and in
the last twenty four hours, far from Russia being isolated,
it would now seem to be that Europe has is
the entity, is the geopolitical entity which is now broadly
isolated in the world, and it is isolated itself. Come
back to your question at the beginning. If the European

(43:02):
capitals tried to do what Hexath formerly said, now it
is that they should increase their defense spending to five percent,
there will be revolutions across your.

Speaker 9 (43:13):
No doubt whatever. Italy can't even do two percent, a
one and a half percent. There's no money.

Speaker 10 (43:18):
These countries are bankrupt, and the European peoples know that
the whole Russia thing, the Russia Russia, Russian thing sweeping
into Ukraine, sweeping in.

Speaker 9 (43:28):
To your was a hoax, and all of these governments will.

Speaker 10 (43:31):
Be wiped out people they even tried to get anywhere
near that five percent?

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Ben, Where do people go on social media? Great? Great summary?
Where do people go?

Speaker 10 (43:41):
Getter, Steve, I've got some great posts up there. My
surname at Hearnwealth and I'll be updating that as these
developments continue to roll out. Thanks Steve Goblins.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Thank you, sir for decades with nothing happening, weeks with
decades happening.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Next in the one use your host Stephen came back.

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Feel pretty good about that.

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They're saying, oh, it could be thirty days.

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They'll be less than that, but they are pushing to
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These votes show us that is most important besides all
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And I think we're have Rosemary on the show tomorrow. God,
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Speaker 4 (48:03):
The taxes the budget. I didn't want to.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Dip back into the budget thing because it made me
too angry on live television.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
And tell and so the tails he can convince me
otherwise is totally performing. I want to know.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Elon promise of training, dolls and cuts. I understand just
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They went back to one. Hey, I got it. If
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me what you got that's got to be in here.
And we can't work off Biden's numbers. And this budget
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(48:39):
cuts are actually happening. Anything's happening this year that between
now it's September thirty and or next year, which is
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show me the beef, because I don't buy it.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
I just not.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
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