April 26, 2025 • 49 mins
THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, APRIL 4TH, 2026
WITH BEN HARNWELL, LIZ YURE, PHILIP WILLAN, AND FRANK WALKER
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Good morning, Saturday, twenty sixth of April, anal Dormini, twenty
twenty five. We've got the Papal Funeral special edition here
for you today. Steve Bannon is out on special assignment,
so we had the evening scenes there from that was
the requiem playing in the background of Pope Francis's funeral
that took place a few hours ago in Rome, not
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far away from me. And we're going to be breaking
down on the show today what this means for the
Catholic Church generally, what this means for American Catholics, for America,
for the wider fight for Western civilization. Let's start straight
away with Liz. You're and old friend of the War Room. Liz.
I know you've been involved for many years now. I
think you founded your organization your Children with a special
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emphasis on protecting the integrity of human rights with regard
to the kids, a role that I think the Catholic
Church has a unique voice to play on that. Firstly,
I gather you up quite early this morning to watch
the papal Funeral. What were your first impressions watching as
a Cathleen.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Yes, as an irishwoman.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
I got up at two am to see the last Hurrah,
as we Irish call it, and my first impression was,
of course the beauty and dignity of the Catholic liturgical service,
the funeral mass, the magnificence of Saint Peter's Square, the priests,
the bishops, the cardinals, and of course reflecting on these
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last dozen years of this pontifical regime. You know, very
few people know that I met Francis and was in
his presence for about twenty minutes. Early on his papacy
in twenty thirteen, I attended his human trafficking conference, and
I might say I was a big fan of Francis,
and when I attended it, I realized, to my shock
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and horror that this was going to be a radical,
radical papacy. They were describing human trafficking as a result
of none other than climate change. So at that point
I recognized that I had to keep my eye on
this papacy, on Francis, and really watch it closely and
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investigate everything this happened. So I didn't start off being
a critic of Francis on the contrary, but after twelve years,
you know, there's a saying that God puts right at
night the mess that Argentines make by the day. So
I guess the real question is is this Argentine had
twelve years to make messes in the church, And the
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question is is are the cardinals and the conclave willing
to clean up the mess or to carry on the chaos.
I was extremely concerned by the homily by Cardinal Ray,
the Dean of the Cardinals.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I felt it was instead.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
Of an opportunity to evangelize about the beauty of the
faith and what this moment in you know, when a
person is handled to God for judgment, what this means
in our Catholic tradition, And instead he used that opportunity
to promote and celebrate the political agenda of Francis. Specifically
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the mass on the border of the United States in
Mexico in twenty fifteen, which I personally know and have researched,
was the result of Ted mccerric, the serial predator, had
arranged this mass to promote mass immigration, and frankly, it
was the trial run for the mass immigration we saw.
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And here is Trump sitting there with his wife at
the funeral.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Litt let me stop you there, because you mentioned a
couple of things that I want to dig down on. Firstly, however,
you mentioned the conclave, and I want to come back
to the president, the presence of President Trump at the moment,
but you mentioned the forthcoming conclave. When we spoke last night,
you mentioned something to me about this secret Vatican agreement
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with the CCP with China, which presumably contains a text
that's so toxic, toxicity of which that text has never
been received. Tell me a bit what you were telling
me last night about what your plan is between now
and the conclave regarding that secret Vatican deal.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Well, frankly, I don't like to talk about the sweepstakes
of who is the papabile. I think the more important
thing is to talk about the issues, and number one
issue is the exposure and release of the terms of
this catastrophic secret China deal that has been a millstone
around the neck of the Catholic Church in China, the
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unfaithful underground church. And I think you know that it
is absolutely essential that before a pope is elected by
the conclaim that there needs to be a test as
to what they will do with the China agreement. It
needs to be exposed to the light of day. It's
been renewed three times. It has caused untold suffering persecution
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in China and among Christians and Catholics, the arresting of
bishops and laity and priests, the detaining and torturing of them.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
I want to see.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Now we've already had Filipino Bishop Tugla say he supports
the the kind of the deal, the secret deal. I
think to me that that's a disqual fire. Same thing
with Prolyn the Secretary of State, who was the architect
of the China Deal.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
This is a disaster. It needs to.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Be absolutely revoked, declared null and void. There needs to
be a formal apology to the Chinese Catholics and Christians
by the Catholic Church, by the conclave, by the next pope.
That is the first order of business. So my hope
is that the sweepstakes are about the issues that have
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plagued the church in the last twelve years, and to
write those issues and write the ship of state.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Liz, what were you mentioning about President Presidents there? Because
I know he's come under some criticism from traditionalist Catholic
for going to the funeral of a man who fairly
loathed him, hated him, and used every opportunity he had
to of mind President Trump and his maculate agenda. What's
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your take on that? Could you just give me just
two minutes before we head into the break.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Sure, you know, there's a lot of talk about Francis
the merciful, wasn't it. Although he repeatedly ap pilloried the pious,
he demeaned a holy people, he criticized Trump as un Christian,
he got very involved and interfered in the political campaigns
of twenty sixteen, twenty twenty and twenty twenty four. And
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yet the merciful one, it seems to me, is Donald Trump,
who graciously with his wife attended the funeral. And that
to me, despite you know, really being excoriated by Francis
and criticizing Trump's efforts to restore safety to the border
to deport illegals, he has been in a basically an
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intellectual wrestling match with Francis, and and yet nevertheless he
shows up, as did actually the Argentine president. But I
think it just indicates the heart of Donald Trump that
he's willing to forgive and move forward, and of course
the respect he has for the Catholic Church as an
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important institution in not only in global politics, but in
the life of each and every citizen of the world.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
So you're basically your thesis is is that President from
presidents at the funeral shouldn't be misconstrued. Is more showing
reverence and respect to the office of the papacy rather
than its recently departed occupants.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
We know Francis was a hardened political operative that his
vast agenda were the global politics of the elite of the.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
New World order.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
He promoted those from the moment meant he stepped out
on the Loja. And so nevertheless, it was Trump who
put aside politics and political hurts and disagreements and respected,
I think the Catholic Church and the position of the
papacy as an institution that.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Requires his presence.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
There showed honor for the office as well as respect
for Catholics, and he said, you know, I have a
lot of Catholic supporters both in my administration and supporters.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Stand by this. We'll be coming back to you just
after this quick reportage from the fuel itself and then
a quick break. We'll be back in just two minutes.
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Speaker 5 (16:00):
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next guest, Philip Willen, is, along with Tom Kington, one
of the two legendary Rain correspondents for the Times of London. Philip,
welcome on to the show. I think this is your
first time on the show. You've got this great article
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out right now headline Trump's allies hope a firm friend
will emerge from the Sistine Chapel. Good morning, Welcome. Tell
me what the thesis of your article in a few words,
and then we'll break it down.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
Well.
Speaker 10 (17:46):
In essence, the article is about concerns over who might
be in a position to influence the outcome of the
conclave for political reasons. And obviously we've seen that with
modern technology and almost unlimited financial resources, people can sway
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democratic elections in countries, despite the scale and the difficulty.
Speaker 11 (18:21):
Obviously, the role of.
Speaker 10 (18:23):
El Musk in the elections in the United States, limited
money and control of X.
Speaker 11 (18:31):
Must have had some influence on the outcome.
Speaker 10 (18:34):
So the departure point was what sort of risks might
there be that external temporal powers could exert an influence
over the outcome of the deliberations of the cardinals, And
that was the point of departure for my analysis. And
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I found particularly interesting a theory put forward by Alberto Maloney,
who's an eminent church historian, about the possibility of what
he called a Carolingian option, which goes back to the
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days of Charlottmagne when in the Holy Roman Empire the
emperor confirmed the pope in his position and the pope
would consecrate the emperor. And the danger that Maloney indicated
was that you could have a modern equivalent today if
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you have a figure arriving at a kind of imperial
status in a position to exert.
Speaker 11 (19:51):
Undue influence over the church.
Speaker 10 (19:54):
And in this case, in Maloney's view, this kind of
imperial role could fall to Donald Trump and JD. Vance,
who visited the pope in fact, just on the day
before he died.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
But this is obviously going to be news Philip that
will strike fear into the heart of progressive liberal journalists,
but have but have Maga applauding and sharing as they're
listening to this, So it's actually a prospect of ford
your thesis in this article, and we'll have the link
up for everyone if they if they want to go
after the show and read it. As strongly recommend it's
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a great article. So you're basically suggesting then that it's
not beyond the realms of feasibility that Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
J. D.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Bance might be able to put their thumb on the scale,
perhaps in some way in the future.
Speaker 10 (20:50):
Conclaim yes, that's the sort of starting point of the theory.
I think in this case, as you in fact had
mentioned to me when we spoke earlier, the chances of
a genuinely conservative candidate coming.
Speaker 11 (21:13):
Out on top are rather remote.
Speaker 10 (21:17):
Obviously, Francis has appointed eight percent of the cardinals in
the College of Cardinals with the right to vote now,
so it's unlikely that they're going to turn their.
Speaker 11 (21:30):
Backs on his progressive agenda.
Speaker 10 (21:35):
But it is a question, looking further to the future,
how temporal powers could interfere with the activities of the
Roman Catholic Church in a world which is transformed by
developments in technology, artificial intelligence, and money. Huge concentrations of
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money in the hands of tech magnates.
Speaker 11 (22:04):
So going forward.
Speaker 10 (22:09):
Temporal power in the form of the president of an
enormously powerful country or people with a strong political agenda,
but who are also interested in the influence of the
Catholic Church. That's potentially, to my mind, a source of
threat to the purity and genuineness of people who run
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the church and should be running it purely on spiritual
lines and not on political lines.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I'd apply with your posing words there direct is a
criticism of this. But here's a question I have for you,
because you spent many decades that most of your life.
If I'm not mistaken, in Rome, you're an old hand there.
Tell me something about this particular papal death and the
reaction to it in Rome. Do you think it's different
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in tenor say, perhaps to the death of Jompel the second.
Speaker 10 (23:14):
I think it's been very interesting actually to see what
has happened and the reaction of people in Rome. I
think there has been an enormous outpouring of sympathy for
poat Francis, partly because due to the transparency that he
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himself insisted on, we were given an enormous amount of
information about what about time he had in hospital when
he was very seriously ill and twice came close to dying,
and we heard from his doctors in unusual detail exactly
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how gruelling that had been.
Speaker 11 (23:58):
So I think there was a lot of.
Speaker 10 (23:59):
Sympath that came for him that came out of that,
and I think people also were impressed by the fact
that he continued working and effectively effectively or one doesn't
know how effectively, but in principle running the church, signing
documents when he was very ill in hospital and on
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occasion only able to sign with his initial f for Franciscos,
but he kept the documents coming out. He couldn't speak,
but he kept teaching and ruling despite his very very
serious condition in hospital. I think people were struck by that,
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and he was very much admired for it. And again
the follow up to that was his last appearance on
Easter Sunday, where again he was in very poor shape,
clearly suffering, but he insisted on delivering his blessing would
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be at Orgby and then traveling around Saint Peter's Square
in the popemobile blessing Maybies just hours away from his death.
Speaker 11 (25:18):
I think people were very.
Speaker 10 (25:19):
Struck by the courage that he showed, and the determination,
the fact that he had no intention of resigning the papacy.
He was going to keep playing the role of pope
really to the bitter end.
Speaker 11 (25:34):
I think people were struck by that. And a final thing,
if I might, it.
Speaker 10 (25:40):
Was interesting that his decision he went against tradition, deciding
not to live in the Vatican where previous popes had lived,
and he also decided not to be buried where most
recent popes had been, in the crypt of Saint Peter's.
And this led to him coming out once again in
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the popemobile crossing Rome, driving past the iconic sites of Rome,
past the coliseum, and being greeted by the people of
Rome who he had established a case relationship with because
he used to He used to go out of the
shops and to visit friends in a way the previous
post had not done.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
The next time, I were back in and the drilled down.
Or my question to you whether the degree of sentimentality
and emotion has been the same for Francis as it
was for JP two. Stay tuned, We're back in Femini,
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Welcome back. This is the papal uneral special on world
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Will and Phil, I just want to ask you this
question before you go, because I know no one's been
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in Rome for as long as you have tell me
because you were. Therefore, when jomp All the Second die,
this is something that we do want to drill down on.
The warming POLICI wants to drill down on is there
a different in level of intensity between the affections, say sentimentality,
say emotions displayed at the death of drantis compared to
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that of jomp All the Second.
Speaker 11 (28:46):
I think it's difficult to answer that question.
Speaker 10 (28:50):
Clearly, the degree of grief that people feel varies. Some people,
particularly close personally to the pope, obviously extremely upset. Huge
crowds have come out to bid him farewell.
Speaker 11 (29:10):
But I think what has been interesting is that.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
Despite the sad occasion of a death, the mood has
been quite upbeat, and possibly also the very large crowds.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
Because a lot of pilgrims were in Rome in any
case for the jubilee and in particular this.
Speaker 10 (29:40):
Weekend for the canonization of Carlo Acutis.
Speaker 11 (29:45):
So a lot of young people.
Speaker 10 (29:48):
Who were in Rome for the canonization of the first
millennial saint and found that instead they were going to
the funeral of a pope.
Speaker 11 (29:59):
But it did mean that there was.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
Really quite positive atmosphere, and I think a feeling that
people were encouraged by the Christian message that the end
of life on earth was not the end of everything
for believers.
Speaker 11 (30:22):
So I think obviously there was.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
Grief, there was a very big crowd, but there was
a sort of upbeat atmosphere at the end of the day.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
And I might also mention that.
Speaker 10 (30:40):
The Italian authorities really handled what was a logistics nightmare
with great skill. They got huge crowds into and out
of of Saint Peter's Square in an orderly manner. They
got in the world leaders from across the globe in
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an orderly manner, and they handled this very delicate, massive
operation with great skill and tact so I think they
deserve they deserve praise for the way they carried it off.
And also I think it was interesting to see the
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photographs of Donald Trump meeting with Vladimir Zelenski and President
Macron of France and Prime Minister Starmer of the United
Kingdom in Saint Peter's Basilica before the beginning of the funeral,
and also the one on one meeting that he had
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with Zelenski to discuss the war in Ukraine. I know
that Pope Francis in his spiritual testament talked of dedicating
the suffering at the end of his life to the
cause of world peace, and the fact that these leaders
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could come together to discuss trying to end a very
bloody and destructive war in Ukraine, actually in Saint Peter's
Basilica itself on the occasion of his funeral, hopefully trying
to find an intelligent peace solution for the war. If
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that actually brought that closer, one could think of it
almost as a miracle worked by the Pope on this
very extraordinary and historic.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Exception, Don't it's a perfect point to end on. But
if you're going to try and use that as the
miracle book canonization, I think a number of eyebrows are
going to be raised in skepticism. Philip, Well, and thanks
very much for coming on the show.
Speaker 10 (33:03):
No one, no one has been saying Santa Silvia that
I'm aware.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Of nobody, nobody, nobody this time around. Listen, where do
people go to get your first rate writings in the
Times of London? Where are you on social media?
Speaker 10 (33:19):
I'm not particularly present on the social media at all.
I'm a representative of the dinosaur generation.
Speaker 11 (33:28):
So I think you just have to go to the
website of the newspaper.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Times dot co dot uk.
Speaker 11 (33:36):
That yes, at the Times dot co dot uk.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Perfect Will and thanks very much indeed for joining us
today for our paper funeral special. Great, well, my next guess,
My next, My next guest is Frank Walker, the founder
and editor of I think one of the most important
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news aggregated out there, Canon two one two, which is,
to put it in simple terms, it's basically the traditional
Catholic answer to the Drudge Report. Frank, Welcome onto the show.
Many people suggested to me when I said that you're
going to be on this morning. But the two of
us together, are we going to be Okay? I've just
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heard that some technical issues. I think, do we have
Frank or should we cut back to the Lizzio guys. Okay,
there are technical technic issues. Let's come back to you.
You were listened to that discussion that we just had
with Philip Willan from the time about the Trump's allies
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hope for a firm friend emerging from the Sistine Chapel.
What's your take on the case. Do you think that
the administration has any reasonable chances of finding someone who's
going to support what they're trying to try to reverse,
if you will, that the present Catholic Church's position, for example,
on unrestricted illegal immigration, or is this just is this
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just happy to talk?
Speaker 7 (35:18):
Well, you know, I think the enemies to the church
are not from outside but from within. The Saint Golan mafia,
as we know that was largely responsible for the election
of Jree Bergolio, came from modernist cardinals, and I don't
think for one minute that they're going to give up
the power that they feel that they have exerted in
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the last twelve years that may or may not have
been in conjunction with the masters of the universe, the globalists.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
I suspect it was.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
But when you look at every single issue that has
been promoted by Francis has been really the gold standard
of the globalists. LGBT ideology, gender ideology, the Islamicization of Europe,
also the mass migration that has happened in the United States.
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All of these are, you know, the radical agenda of
the globalists. I think the threat is going to continue
from inside the church. By the way, you know, there's
been reports that two years ago there was a reconstitution
of the what we call the Saint Golan mafia in
preparation for the next election, the next conclave. So I
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don't have that kind of confidence that we are going
to have a new change of leadership. I hope in
Pray we are an easter people. We have hope, but
I cannot see the globalists who are embedded in the conclave.
And by the way, Pope Francis has appointed eighty percent
of the cardinals who are will be voting in this conclave,
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so it's very likely that they share share his globalist agenda. Secondly,
I would I would argue with with Philip that this
has not been the pope of dialogue or transparency. He
was highly secretive about his dealings with China. He has
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refused to really disclose what actually went on with Ted
mccerric and China.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
He has not been open about.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
His what I consider that he has been a papal
predator protector for the last twelve years, and so I'm
very concerned about the victims of clergy abuse that have
not been served by this by this pontificate. And secondly,
I would say, you know that the traditional Latin mask
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supporters have not had a hearing. There's been no dialogue
with them, and they deserve a full hearing for with
respect to the Latin Mask, which is thriving, growing largely
among young people.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
So and if I might add, despite his best and
intentions to suppress that, can I just go back a
bit of what you were saying before you said two things,
and I just want to break that down. And we've
got to like about a minute and a half. What
did you mean when you said that you think that
the main dangerous threats to the Catholic Church are within
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rather than with that And what were you referring to
when you mentioned the Saint Girl and mafia.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
The Saint Colin Mafia. I'm Cardinal Denials, who has since
passed away. He's the Cardinal of Brussels, Belgium. And a
number of other cardinals from Germany and from England, including
Cardinal Ted mccarett, the notorious sexual predator, met repeatedly way
back in the nineteen ninety eighths, going forward to replace
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what they would consider to be the medieval pontificate of
John Paul the Second impose a new modernist agenda on
the Catholic Church. They were not successful in two thousand
and five. They had lobbied very hard for Brigolio in
two thousand and five election. Benedict, who was clearly opposed
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to the globalist plan and would never have allowed the
LGBT ideology or the Islamization of Europe to occur during
his pontificate, was elected in twenty five. However, we know
what happened in twenty thirteen, the shock of the world
that Benedicts stepped down and the election of Brigolio.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
And this is interesting when we hear all.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
The talk about the Papa Bila in twenty thirteen, ben
there was no mention in the betting markets of Jorge Brigolio.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
He was number fortieth on the list.
Speaker 7 (39:50):
So what they did, what the Saint Gollin mafia did,
who lobbied and really politics for Brigolio, They kept it
close to the vest. They counted their vote. And I
think there's a warning shot for all of us right
now that this may be going on as we speak.
So the sweet steaks that are going on with respect
to Papa Blay need to have that cautionary tale that
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there may be a stocking horse out there, but the
real modernists will come forward at the end.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Listen hold on that point. We're going to come back
to that late on in the show. We've also got
Frank Walker, John yev Instead, Lucasen coming up to break
down the events of today on this War Room Papal
Funeral Special.
Speaker 12 (40:37):
Stay with us, we'll be back in just two minutes.
Speaker 13 (41:01):
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the lady team, no morey Falcless you the sun.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
For welcome back. What you can see on the screen
then is the casket of Pope Francis being led to
his eventual resting place. At Saint Mary major break rook conditions.
He's not being buried at Saint Peter's. Okay, So my
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next guest, we'll carry him on over into the second
hour of Frank Walker. I'll give the poper introduction again,
because the lion collapsed just as we were about to
put to him before. In the show, Frank Walker found
the editor of the Canon two one two, which is
a news aggregator site. Really, I think it as being
the Catholic, the traditionalist Catholic, the conservative Catholic answer to
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the Drudge Report. Absolutely essential viewing. I go there civil
time a day just to see what's going on in
Catholic circles. When I was telling people that Frank was
coming on the show today, people they were joking with me,
My God, on the day of Pope France is brunal.
A guy is going to be able to be reverent
and respect Well, I said, we can do reverence, we
(43:02):
can do respectful, we can do mourning. This is the
war room. Do you want to say that there? Okay?
So ran holding on to holding on to those thoughts.
What was the view today of the dead heretical antipope
in the Walker household?
Speaker 15 (43:23):
Well, uh, you know, I don't think that you could
ever say it was Reverend. It's not really Reverend. I've
heard those complaints this week too, and you know, I
just don't think it's good to have too much respect
for things that are contemptible. And you know, Pope Francis
UH is not a Catholic, and I find it and
(43:47):
I don't think I'm alone in this. I find it
a little upsetting that to the things that he has
done to the church, and so I think it would
be misleading to have reverence at a time when it's
not really appropriate.
Speaker 11 (44:00):
I don't want to be missleeping. I try to tell
the truth.
Speaker 15 (44:02):
So that's how I feel about this funeral. I'm seeing
him go into the beautiful church Saint Mary Major that
he went to all the time, and I wish that
he wasn't going to be put in there, because.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
Though he was.
Speaker 15 (44:21):
You know, he went to Mary all the time. He
went to that church all the time, and he you know,
appeared reverent, Uh and maybe he was prayerful with Mary.
Mary would have expected him to be a faithful follower
of Christ and a good leader of the church. And
when I see that tomb in that place with all
(44:44):
those holy things. I you know, it's just it's disturbing.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Rank Nobody sees contemporary Catholic news breaking in real time
and follows it as closely as you do. You see
Italy all the headlines and then you curate them and
you give it a little bit of analysis as you
put them up there on your site. Can to want
to tell me something, how do you think the formal
(45:13):
Catholic press has conducted itself during the last twelve years
of the Francis inverted commerce, papacy inverted commerce. Do you
can compare that, if you will, to the mainstream media's
coverage of Francis Because my take on this is actually,
(45:35):
and I'm never a person normally that will say much
positive about the mainstream media, but it tends to be
that their analysis of what's going on Rome is more reliable.
But anything with the word Catholic in it is going
to deliberately try to mislead you. Now you're the expert
on this, what do you think, Well.
Speaker 15 (45:55):
I see what you mean about the mainline press, and
we try to get it's the secular press involved if
it has something that's related. The Catholic press is just really,
really hard to get a straight fact out of right.
Speaker 11 (46:11):
This week they've been I think, just terrible.
Speaker 15 (46:15):
And I'm glad that there's some place for the people
to go there where they can get the distilled news.
You have to distill a lot more. It was all gushing.
I mean, it was stories about how you know Francis
like one of the probability Colonel Zupe said, We're be
on fire with the love of the Francis. You know,
they have always had this element of worship because the
(46:37):
people of worshiping Francis, of Francis being sort of like
a demigod because in so many ways he's replacing the Church,
and to replace the church, he needs to elevate himself
to a high level. Oh when I hugged the Francis
and I was a cripple, I quivered and I felt
a great warmth. That's the kind of thing that you
get out of the Catholic press. Now you can't get
(47:01):
any facts.
Speaker 5 (47:04):
You know that there is a wide no for sure.
It is just sort of unrestrained sentimentality. Right now, it's
mostly unreadable. There is Look, we've got to admitute to
the break and then if you wouldn't mind staying on
into the second hour. There is a wider point when
you mentioned this about the role of the pope in
popular Catholic imagination, especially in the modern era, especially in
(47:27):
the era of modern communications things, you know, and it
hasn't started with advancing arguably dealt with JP two.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
You know.
Speaker 5 (47:36):
These are just exacerbations, aren't along the road? You could
arguably say for the start that under Hias the twelfth.
But this massive concentration towards the role of the pope
in contemporary Catholic pair lives and imaginations that wasn't there
for the previous one nine hundred years, because there's no
means for it to be there. Well, give me you
(47:59):
thirty seconds and then we'll carry on off to the plate.
Speaker 15 (48:03):
Well they yeah, yeah, it must have been a lot
easier back when he was just there as standing for
the faith instead of having to be some sort of
a performer all the time. And I think they picked
Francis because he liked to be a performer. I don't
know what kind of a performer Cardinal Perilin is. And
with all the meati behind Francis, that's what they.
Speaker 11 (48:22):
Used him as.
Speaker 15 (48:22):
He was their machine. And yeah, I think it diminishes
the role because just every single word out of Francis's mouth,
you know, people are listening to the things that he
did that were bad. Every word in the press was bad.
Speaker 11 (48:35):
Every day.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
Done by. We'll be back with Frank Walker from Karen
Too on Too Distant two minutes time.
So so so. It's a.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
So so.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
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Speaker 4 (02:54):
See.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Good morning, Saturday, twenty sixth of April, anal Dormini, twenty
twenty five. We've got the Papal Funeral special edition here
for you today. Steve Bannon is out on special assignment,
so we had the evening scenes there from that was
the requiem playing in the background of Pope Francis's funeral
that took place a few hours ago in Rome, not
(04:36):
far away from me. And we're going to be breaking
down on the show today what this means for the
Catholic Church generally, what this means for American Catholics, for America,
for the wider fight for Western civilization. Let's start straight
away with Liz. You're and old friend of the War Room. Liz.
I know you've been involved for many years now. I
think you founded your organization your Children with a special
(05:00):
emphasis on protecting the integrity of human rights with regard
to the kids, a role that I think the Catholic
Church has a unique voice to play on that. Firstly,
I gather you up quite early this morning to watch
the papal Funeral. What were your first impressions watching as
a Cathleen.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Yes, as an irishwoman.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
I got up at two am to see the last Hurrah,
as we Irish call it, and my first impression was,
of course the beauty and dignity of the Catholic liturgical service,
the funeral mass, the magnificence of Saint Peter's Square, the priests,
the bishops, the cardinals, and of course reflecting on these
(05:45):
last dozen years of this pontifical regime. You know, very
few people know that I met Francis and was in
his presence for about twenty minutes. Early on his papacy
in twenty thirteen, I attended his human trafficking conference, and
I might say I was a big fan of Francis,
and when I attended it, I realized, to my shock
(06:07):
and horror that this was going to be a radical,
radical papacy. They were describing human trafficking as a result
of none other than climate change. So at that point
I recognized that I had to keep my eye on
this papacy, on Francis, and really watch it closely and
(06:29):
investigate everything this happened. So I didn't start off being
a critic of Francis on the contrary, but after twelve years,
you know, there's a saying that God puts right at
night the mess that Argentines make by the day. So
I guess the real question is is this Argentine had
twelve years to make messes in the church, And the
(06:52):
question is is are the cardinals and the conclave willing
to clean up the mess or to carry on the chaos.
I was extremely concerned by the homily by Cardinal Ray,
the Dean of the Cardinals.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I felt it was instead.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
Of an opportunity to evangelize about the beauty of the
faith and what this moment in you know, when a
person is handled to God for judgment, what this means
in our Catholic tradition, And instead he used that opportunity
to promote and celebrate the political agenda of Francis. Specifically
(07:35):
the mass on the border of the United States in
Mexico in twenty fifteen, which I personally know and have researched,
was the result of Ted mccerric, the serial predator, had
arranged this mass to promote mass immigration, and frankly, it
was the trial run for the mass immigration we saw.
(07:55):
And here is Trump sitting there with his wife at
the funeral.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Litt let me stop you there, because you mentioned a
couple of things that I want to dig down on. Firstly, however,
you mentioned the conclave, and I want to come back
to the president, the presence of President Trump at the moment,
but you mentioned the forthcoming conclave. When we spoke last night,
you mentioned something to me about this secret Vatican agreement
(08:26):
with the CCP with China, which presumably contains a text
that's so toxic, toxicity of which that text has never
been received. Tell me a bit what you were telling
me last night about what your plan is between now
and the conclave regarding that secret Vatican deal.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Well, frankly, I don't like to talk about the sweepstakes
of who is the papabile. I think the more important
thing is to talk about the issues, and number one
issue is the exposure and release of the terms of
this catastrophic secret China deal that has been a millstone
around the neck of the Catholic Church in China, the
(09:12):
unfaithful underground church. And I think you know that it
is absolutely essential that before a pope is elected by
the conclaim that there needs to be a test as
to what they will do with the China agreement. It
needs to be exposed to the light of day. It's
been renewed three times. It has caused untold suffering persecution
(09:37):
in China and among Christians and Catholics, the arresting of
bishops and laity and priests, the detaining and torturing of them.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
I want to see.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Now we've already had Filipino Bishop Tugla say he supports
the the kind of the deal, the secret deal. I
think to me that that's a disqual fire. Same thing
with Prolyn the Secretary of State, who was the architect
of the China Deal.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
This is a disaster. It needs to.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Be absolutely revoked, declared null and void. There needs to
be a formal apology to the Chinese Catholics and Christians
by the Catholic Church, by the conclave, by the next pope.
That is the first order of business. So my hope
is that the sweepstakes are about the issues that have
(10:32):
plagued the church in the last twelve years, and to
write those issues and write the ship of state.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Liz, what were you mentioning about President Presidents there? Because
I know he's come under some criticism from traditionalist Catholic
for going to the funeral of a man who fairly
loathed him, hated him, and used every opportunity he had
to of mind President Trump and his maculate agenda. What's
(11:03):
your take on that? Could you just give me just
two minutes before we head into the break.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
Sure, you know, there's a lot of talk about Francis
the merciful, wasn't it. Although he repeatedly ap pilloried the pious,
he demeaned a holy people, he criticized Trump as un Christian,
he got very involved and interfered in the political campaigns
of twenty sixteen, twenty twenty and twenty twenty four. And
(11:30):
yet the merciful one, it seems to me, is Donald Trump,
who graciously with his wife attended the funeral. And that
to me, despite you know, really being excoriated by Francis
and criticizing Trump's efforts to restore safety to the border
to deport illegals, he has been in a basically an
(11:55):
intellectual wrestling match with Francis, and and yet nevertheless he
shows up, as did actually the Argentine president. But I
think it just indicates the heart of Donald Trump that
he's willing to forgive and move forward, and of course
the respect he has for the Catholic Church as an
(12:18):
important institution in not only in global politics, but in
the life of each and every citizen of the world.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
So you're basically your thesis is is that President from
presidents at the funeral shouldn't be misconstrued. Is more showing
reverence and respect to the office of the papacy rather
than its recently departed occupants.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
We know Francis was a hardened political operative that his
vast agenda were the global politics of the elite of the.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
New World order.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
He promoted those from the moment meant he stepped out
on the Loja. And so nevertheless, it was Trump who
put aside politics and political hurts and disagreements and respected,
I think the Catholic Church and the position of the
papacy as an institution that.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Requires his presence.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
There showed honor for the office as well as respect
for Catholics, and he said, you know, I have a
lot of Catholic supporters both in my administration and supporters.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Stand by this. We'll be coming back to you just
after this quick reportage from the fuel itself and then
a quick break. We'll be back in just two minutes.
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Speaker 5 (16:00):
Welcome back to the paper funeral special helling in for
Steve Bannon for those who don't need those who need
pushing up on the Latin. That was the sections from
the Gospel where the resurrected Price asks Tam Peter whether
he loves him, and when Peter says you know that
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the whole of the gold supply, folks. Okay, So my
next guest, Philip Willen, is, along with Tom Kington, one
of the two legendary Rain correspondents for the Times of London. Philip,
welcome on to the show. I think this is your
first time on the show. You've got this great article
(17:27):
out right now headline Trump's allies hope a firm friend
will emerge from the Sistine Chapel. Good morning, Welcome. Tell
me what the thesis of your article in a few words,
and then we'll break it down.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
Well.
Speaker 10 (17:46):
In essence, the article is about concerns over who might
be in a position to influence the outcome of the
conclave for political reasons. And obviously we've seen that with
modern technology and almost unlimited financial resources, people can sway
(18:12):
democratic elections in countries, despite the scale and the difficulty.
Speaker 11 (18:21):
Obviously, the role of.
Speaker 10 (18:23):
El Musk in the elections in the United States, limited
money and control of X.
Speaker 11 (18:31):
Must have had some influence on the outcome.
Speaker 10 (18:34):
So the departure point was what sort of risks might
there be that external temporal powers could exert an influence
over the outcome of the deliberations of the cardinals, And
that was the point of departure for my analysis. And
(18:55):
I found particularly interesting a theory put forward by Alberto Maloney,
who's an eminent church historian, about the possibility of what
he called a Carolingian option, which goes back to the
(19:16):
days of Charlottmagne when in the Holy Roman Empire the
emperor confirmed the pope in his position and the pope
would consecrate the emperor. And the danger that Maloney indicated
was that you could have a modern equivalent today if
(19:39):
you have a figure arriving at a kind of imperial
status in a position to exert.
Speaker 11 (19:51):
Undue influence over the church.
Speaker 10 (19:54):
And in this case, in Maloney's view, this kind of
imperial role could fall to Donald Trump and JD. Vance,
who visited the pope in fact, just on the day
before he died.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
But this is obviously going to be news Philip that
will strike fear into the heart of progressive liberal journalists,
but have but have Maga applauding and sharing as they're
listening to this, So it's actually a prospect of ford
your thesis in this article, and we'll have the link
up for everyone if they if they want to go
after the show and read it. As strongly recommend it's
(20:31):
a great article. So you're basically suggesting then that it's
not beyond the realms of feasibility that Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
J. D.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Bance might be able to put their thumb on the scale,
perhaps in some way in the future.
Speaker 10 (20:50):
Conclaim yes, that's the sort of starting point of the theory.
I think in this case, as you in fact had
mentioned to me when we spoke earlier, the chances of
a genuinely conservative candidate coming.
Speaker 11 (21:13):
Out on top are rather remote.
Speaker 10 (21:17):
Obviously, Francis has appointed eight percent of the cardinals in
the College of Cardinals with the right to vote now,
so it's unlikely that they're going to turn their.
Speaker 11 (21:30):
Backs on his progressive agenda.
Speaker 10 (21:35):
But it is a question, looking further to the future,
how temporal powers could interfere with the activities of the
Roman Catholic Church in a world which is transformed by
developments in technology, artificial intelligence, and money. Huge concentrations of
(21:59):
money in the hands of tech magnates.
Speaker 11 (22:04):
So going forward.
Speaker 10 (22:09):
Temporal power in the form of the president of an
enormously powerful country or people with a strong political agenda,
but who are also interested in the influence of the
Catholic Church. That's potentially, to my mind, a source of
threat to the purity and genuineness of people who run
(22:36):
the church and should be running it purely on spiritual
lines and not on political lines.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I'd apply with your posing words there direct is a
criticism of this. But here's a question I have for you,
because you spent many decades that most of your life.
If I'm not mistaken, in Rome, you're an old hand there.
Tell me something about this particular papal death and the
reaction to it in Rome. Do you think it's different
(23:07):
in tenor say, perhaps to the death of Jompel the second.
Speaker 10 (23:14):
I think it's been very interesting actually to see what
has happened and the reaction of people in Rome. I
think there has been an enormous outpouring of sympathy for
poat Francis, partly because due to the transparency that he
(23:35):
himself insisted on, we were given an enormous amount of
information about what about time he had in hospital when
he was very seriously ill and twice came close to dying,
and we heard from his doctors in unusual detail exactly
(23:56):
how gruelling that had been.
Speaker 11 (23:58):
So I think there was a lot of.
Speaker 10 (23:59):
Sympath that came for him that came out of that,
and I think people also were impressed by the fact
that he continued working and effectively effectively or one doesn't
know how effectively, but in principle running the church, signing
documents when he was very ill in hospital and on
(24:23):
occasion only able to sign with his initial f for Franciscos,
but he kept the documents coming out. He couldn't speak,
but he kept teaching and ruling despite his very very
serious condition in hospital. I think people were struck by that,
(24:45):
and he was very much admired for it. And again
the follow up to that was his last appearance on
Easter Sunday, where again he was in very poor shape,
clearly suffering, but he insisted on delivering his blessing would
(25:09):
be at Orgby and then traveling around Saint Peter's Square
in the popemobile blessing Maybies just hours away from his death.
Speaker 11 (25:18):
I think people were very.
Speaker 10 (25:19):
Struck by the courage that he showed, and the determination,
the fact that he had no intention of resigning the papacy.
He was going to keep playing the role of pope
really to the bitter end.
Speaker 11 (25:34):
I think people were struck by that. And a final thing,
if I might, it.
Speaker 10 (25:40):
Was interesting that his decision he went against tradition, deciding
not to live in the Vatican where previous popes had lived,
and he also decided not to be buried where most
recent popes had been, in the crypt of Saint Peter's.
And this led to him coming out once again in
(26:03):
the popemobile crossing Rome, driving past the iconic sites of Rome,
past the coliseum, and being greeted by the people of
Rome who he had established a case relationship with because
he used to He used to go out of the
shops and to visit friends in a way the previous
post had not done.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
The next time, I were back in and the drilled down.
Or my question to you whether the degree of sentimentality
and emotion has been the same for Francis as it
was for JP two. Stay tuned, We're back in Femini,
(27:31):
Welcome back. This is the papal uneral special on world
Here at the Helm Felling in for Steve Bannon. Well,
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Will and Phil, I just want to ask you this
question before you go, because I know no one's been
(28:17):
in Rome for as long as you have tell me
because you were. Therefore, when jomp All the Second die,
this is something that we do want to drill down on.
The warming POLICI wants to drill down on is there
a different in level of intensity between the affections, say sentimentality,
say emotions displayed at the death of drantis compared to
(28:42):
that of jomp All the Second.
Speaker 11 (28:46):
I think it's difficult to answer that question.
Speaker 10 (28:50):
Clearly, the degree of grief that people feel varies. Some people,
particularly close personally to the pope, obviously extremely upset. Huge
crowds have come out to bid him farewell.
Speaker 11 (29:10):
But I think what has been interesting is that.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
Despite the sad occasion of a death, the mood has
been quite upbeat, and possibly also the very large crowds.
Speaker 11 (29:30):
Because a lot of pilgrims were in Rome in any
case for the jubilee and in particular this.
Speaker 10 (29:40):
Weekend for the canonization of Carlo Acutis.
Speaker 11 (29:45):
So a lot of young people.
Speaker 10 (29:48):
Who were in Rome for the canonization of the first
millennial saint and found that instead they were going to
the funeral of a pope.
Speaker 11 (29:59):
But it did mean that there was.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
Really quite positive atmosphere, and I think a feeling that
people were encouraged by the Christian message that the end
of life on earth was not the end of everything
for believers.
Speaker 11 (30:22):
So I think obviously there was.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
Grief, there was a very big crowd, but there was
a sort of upbeat atmosphere at the end of the day.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
And I might also mention that.
Speaker 10 (30:40):
The Italian authorities really handled what was a logistics nightmare
with great skill. They got huge crowds into and out
of of Saint Peter's Square in an orderly manner. They
got in the world leaders from across the globe in
(31:04):
an orderly manner, and they handled this very delicate, massive
operation with great skill and tact so I think they
deserve they deserve praise for the way they carried it off.
And also I think it was interesting to see the
(31:26):
photographs of Donald Trump meeting with Vladimir Zelenski and President
Macron of France and Prime Minister Starmer of the United
Kingdom in Saint Peter's Basilica before the beginning of the funeral,
and also the one on one meeting that he had
(31:48):
with Zelenski to discuss the war in Ukraine. I know
that Pope Francis in his spiritual testament talked of dedicating
the suffering at the end of his life to the
cause of world peace, and the fact that these leaders
(32:10):
could come together to discuss trying to end a very
bloody and destructive war in Ukraine, actually in Saint Peter's
Basilica itself on the occasion of his funeral, hopefully trying
to find an intelligent peace solution for the war. If
(32:35):
that actually brought that closer, one could think of it
almost as a miracle worked by the Pope on this
very extraordinary and historic.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Exception, Don't it's a perfect point to end on. But
if you're going to try and use that as the
miracle book canonization, I think a number of eyebrows are
going to be raised in skepticism. Philip, Well, and thanks
very much for coming on the show.
Speaker 10 (33:03):
No one, no one has been saying Santa Silvia that
I'm aware.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Of nobody, nobody, nobody this time around. Listen, where do
people go to get your first rate writings in the
Times of London? Where are you on social media?
Speaker 10 (33:19):
I'm not particularly present on the social media at all.
I'm a representative of the dinosaur generation.
Speaker 11 (33:28):
So I think you just have to go to the
website of the newspaper.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Times dot co dot uk.
Speaker 11 (33:36):
That yes, at the Times dot co dot uk.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Perfect Will and thanks very much indeed for joining us
today for our paper funeral special. Great, well, my next guess,
My next, My next guest is Frank Walker, the founder
and editor of I think one of the most important
(34:03):
news aggregated out there, Canon two one two, which is,
to put it in simple terms, it's basically the traditional
Catholic answer to the Drudge Report. Frank, Welcome onto the show.
Many people suggested to me when I said that you're
going to be on this morning. But the two of
us together, are we going to be Okay? I've just
(34:28):
heard that some technical issues. I think, do we have
Frank or should we cut back to the Lizzio guys. Okay,
there are technical technic issues. Let's come back to you.
You were listened to that discussion that we just had
with Philip Willan from the time about the Trump's allies
(34:51):
hope for a firm friend emerging from the Sistine Chapel.
What's your take on the case. Do you think that
the administration has any reasonable chances of finding someone who's
going to support what they're trying to try to reverse,
if you will, that the present Catholic Church's position, for example,
on unrestricted illegal immigration, or is this just is this
(35:15):
just happy to talk?
Speaker 7 (35:18):
Well, you know, I think the enemies to the church
are not from outside but from within. The Saint Golan mafia,
as we know that was largely responsible for the election
of Jree Bergolio, came from modernist cardinals, and I don't
think for one minute that they're going to give up
the power that they feel that they have exerted in
(35:40):
the last twelve years that may or may not have
been in conjunction with the masters of the universe, the globalists.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
I suspect it was.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
But when you look at every single issue that has
been promoted by Francis has been really the gold standard
of the globalists. LGBT ideology, gender ideology, the Islamicization of Europe,
also the mass migration that has happened in the United States.
(36:11):
All of these are, you know, the radical agenda of
the globalists. I think the threat is going to continue
from inside the church. By the way, you know, there's
been reports that two years ago there was a reconstitution
of the what we call the Saint Golan mafia in
preparation for the next election, the next conclave. So I
(36:34):
don't have that kind of confidence that we are going
to have a new change of leadership. I hope in
Pray we are an easter people. We have hope, but
I cannot see the globalists who are embedded in the conclave.
And by the way, Pope Francis has appointed eighty percent
of the cardinals who are will be voting in this conclave,
(36:58):
so it's very likely that they share share his globalist agenda. Secondly,
I would I would argue with with Philip that this
has not been the pope of dialogue or transparency. He
was highly secretive about his dealings with China. He has
(37:19):
refused to really disclose what actually went on with Ted
mccerric and China.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
He has not been open about.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
His what I consider that he has been a papal
predator protector for the last twelve years, and so I'm
very concerned about the victims of clergy abuse that have
not been served by this by this pontificate. And secondly,
I would say, you know that the traditional Latin mask
(37:49):
supporters have not had a hearing. There's been no dialogue
with them, and they deserve a full hearing for with
respect to the Latin Mask, which is thriving, growing largely
among young people.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
So and if I might add, despite his best and
intentions to suppress that, can I just go back a
bit of what you were saying before you said two things,
and I just want to break that down. And we've
got to like about a minute and a half. What
did you mean when you said that you think that
the main dangerous threats to the Catholic Church are within
(38:26):
rather than with that And what were you referring to
when you mentioned the Saint Girl and mafia.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
The Saint Colin Mafia. I'm Cardinal Denials, who has since
passed away. He's the Cardinal of Brussels, Belgium. And a
number of other cardinals from Germany and from England, including
Cardinal Ted mccarett, the notorious sexual predator, met repeatedly way
back in the nineteen ninety eighths, going forward to replace
(38:54):
what they would consider to be the medieval pontificate of
John Paul the Second impose a new modernist agenda on
the Catholic Church. They were not successful in two thousand
and five. They had lobbied very hard for Brigolio in
two thousand and five election. Benedict, who was clearly opposed
(39:15):
to the globalist plan and would never have allowed the
LGBT ideology or the Islamization of Europe to occur during
his pontificate, was elected in twenty five. However, we know
what happened in twenty thirteen, the shock of the world
that Benedicts stepped down and the election of Brigolio.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
And this is interesting when we hear all.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
The talk about the Papa Bila in twenty thirteen, ben
there was no mention in the betting markets of Jorge Brigolio.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
He was number fortieth on the list.
Speaker 7 (39:50):
So what they did, what the Saint Gollin mafia did,
who lobbied and really politics for Brigolio, They kept it
close to the vest. They counted their vote. And I
think there's a warning shot for all of us right
now that this may be going on as we speak.
So the sweet steaks that are going on with respect
to Papa Blay need to have that cautionary tale that
(40:15):
there may be a stocking horse out there, but the
real modernists will come forward at the end.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Listen hold on that point. We're going to come back
to that late on in the show. We've also got
Frank Walker, John yev Instead, Lucasen coming up to break
down the events of today on this War Room Papal
Funeral Special.
Speaker 12 (40:37):
Stay with us, we'll be back in just two minutes.
Speaker 13 (41:01):
See the Nyts, the name brazorty.
Speaker 14 (41:19):
Y Queen, Let's see on see more ful sort sqeeze
(41:40):
the lady team, no morey Falcless you the sun.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
For welcome back. What you can see on the screen
then is the casket of Pope Francis being led to
his eventual resting place. At Saint Mary major break rook conditions.
He's not being buried at Saint Peter's. Okay, So my
(42:17):
next guest, we'll carry him on over into the second
hour of Frank Walker. I'll give the poper introduction again,
because the lion collapsed just as we were about to
put to him before. In the show, Frank Walker found
the editor of the Canon two one two, which is
a news aggregator site. Really, I think it as being
the Catholic, the traditionalist Catholic, the conservative Catholic answer to
(42:40):
the Drudge Report. Absolutely essential viewing. I go there civil
time a day just to see what's going on in
Catholic circles. When I was telling people that Frank was
coming on the show today, people they were joking with me,
My God, on the day of Pope France is brunal.
A guy is going to be able to be reverent
and respect Well, I said, we can do reverence, we
(43:02):
can do respectful, we can do mourning. This is the
war room. Do you want to say that there? Okay?
So ran holding on to holding on to those thoughts.
What was the view today of the dead heretical antipope
in the Walker household?
Speaker 15 (43:23):
Well, uh, you know, I don't think that you could
ever say it was Reverend. It's not really Reverend. I've
heard those complaints this week too, and you know, I
just don't think it's good to have too much respect
for things that are contemptible. And you know, Pope Francis
UH is not a Catholic, and I find it and
(43:47):
I don't think I'm alone in this. I find it
a little upsetting that to the things that he has
done to the church, and so I think it would
be misleading to have reverence at a time when it's
not really appropriate.
Speaker 11 (44:00):
I don't want to be missleeping. I try to tell
the truth.
Speaker 15 (44:02):
So that's how I feel about this funeral. I'm seeing
him go into the beautiful church Saint Mary Major that
he went to all the time, and I wish that
he wasn't going to be put in there, because.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
Though he was.
Speaker 15 (44:21):
You know, he went to Mary all the time. He
went to that church all the time, and he you know,
appeared reverent, Uh and maybe he was prayerful with Mary.
Mary would have expected him to be a faithful follower
of Christ and a good leader of the church. And
when I see that tomb in that place with all
(44:44):
those holy things. I you know, it's just it's disturbing.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Rank Nobody sees contemporary Catholic news breaking in real time
and follows it as closely as you do. You see
Italy all the headlines and then you curate them and
you give it a little bit of analysis as you
put them up there on your site. Can to want
to tell me something, how do you think the formal
(45:13):
Catholic press has conducted itself during the last twelve years
of the Francis inverted commerce, papacy inverted commerce. Do you
can compare that, if you will, to the mainstream media's
coverage of Francis Because my take on this is actually,
(45:35):
and I'm never a person normally that will say much
positive about the mainstream media, but it tends to be
that their analysis of what's going on Rome is more reliable.
But anything with the word Catholic in it is going
to deliberately try to mislead you. Now you're the expert
on this, what do you think, Well.
Speaker 15 (45:55):
I see what you mean about the mainline press, and
we try to get it's the secular press involved if
it has something that's related. The Catholic press is just really,
really hard to get a straight fact out of right.
Speaker 11 (46:11):
This week they've been I think, just terrible.
Speaker 15 (46:15):
And I'm glad that there's some place for the people
to go there where they can get the distilled news.
You have to distill a lot more. It was all gushing.
I mean, it was stories about how you know Francis
like one of the probability Colonel Zupe said, We're be
on fire with the love of the Francis. You know,
they have always had this element of worship because the
(46:37):
people of worshiping Francis, of Francis being sort of like
a demigod because in so many ways he's replacing the Church,
and to replace the church, he needs to elevate himself
to a high level. Oh when I hugged the Francis
and I was a cripple, I quivered and I felt
a great warmth. That's the kind of thing that you
get out of the Catholic press. Now you can't get
(47:01):
any facts.
Speaker 5 (47:04):
You know that there is a wide no for sure.
It is just sort of unrestrained sentimentality. Right now, it's
mostly unreadable. There is Look, we've got to admitute to
the break and then if you wouldn't mind staying on
into the second hour. There is a wider point when
you mentioned this about the role of the pope in
popular Catholic imagination, especially in the modern era, especially in
(47:27):
the era of modern communications things, you know, and it
hasn't started with advancing arguably dealt with JP two.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
You know.
Speaker 5 (47:36):
These are just exacerbations, aren't along the road? You could
arguably say for the start that under Hias the twelfth.
But this massive concentration towards the role of the pope
in contemporary Catholic pair lives and imaginations that wasn't there
for the previous one nine hundred years, because there's no
means for it to be there. Well, give me you
(47:59):
thirty seconds and then we'll carry on off to the plate.
Speaker 15 (48:03):
Well they yeah, yeah, it must have been a lot
easier back when he was just there as standing for
the faith instead of having to be some sort of
a performer all the time. And I think they picked
Francis because he liked to be a performer. I don't
know what kind of a performer Cardinal Perilin is. And
with all the meati behind Francis, that's what they.
Speaker 11 (48:22):
Used him as.
Speaker 15 (48:22):
He was their machine. And yeah, I think it diminishes
the role because just every single word out of Francis's mouth,
you know, people are listening to the things that he
did that were bad. Every word in the press was bad.
Speaker 11 (48:35):
Every day.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
Done by. We'll be back with Frank Walker from Karen
Too on Too Distant two minutes time.
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