April 26, 2025 • 49 mins
THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, APRIL 26TH, 2025
WITH BEN HARNWELL, FRANK WALKER, DAVE BRAT, LIZ YURE, SID LUKKASSEN, TEJ GILL, AND MIKE LINDELL
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on
these people.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
You're not going to a free shot.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
All these networks lying about the people, the people have
had a belly full of it.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I know you don't like hearing that.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
I know you tried to do everything in the.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
World to stop there, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
Speaker 6 (00:24):
And where do people like that go to share the
big line? Mega media?
Speaker 7 (00:28):
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
these people had a conscience.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country
will be saved.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
War Room use your host, Stephen k Man.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Welcome back hand at the Helm, filling in for Steve Bannon,
who's away on a special assignment. Quick mention, big shout
out for Jim Ricards regards warroom dot com. Go there,
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we'll be digging into those things a little later on
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in the show with Dave Ratt as well. Let's go
back to Frank Walker. Frank and tell me something about
your inspiration behind putting this website canon to one two together,
what did you hope to achieve?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Well, I started volunteering with a site similar before, and
I was writing articles for them, and I realized that
the time spent on this sort of work instead of
writing articles can be more influential, so I just stuck
with it. It's nice to have a place where people
can learn can be more catholic and more conservative when
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you consider them as an alternative to what's in the media.
So I do it, and I've been happy to see,
you know, the community that's built around it and the
things that we've been able to accomplish, and writers and
people like you who look at it. It really makes
a I think. I think I like to help people
like you get all the information you need to do
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what you do.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So that's another.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Part of it.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Well, from my perspective, that's one thousand percent of the case.
And I just want to underline the point here, because
the war with philosophy is all about agency and giving
the posse, our war imposse all the information with which
that they can then access, study, decide, diffuse among amongst
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their friends on their own social media. That people in
this movement can really make things happen while they're just
being passive and receptive to other people's decisions and actions.
I think what you're doing here with canon two one
two is absolutely important in that, especially seeing the Catholic,
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the traditionalist Catholic, the conservative Catholic side of things, right
as you as you were saying before, if you depend
on the special Catholic risk, you're effectively going to be misled.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, it's gotten it's gotten worse in recent years. It
kind of rose with Mother and Jelica. It came back
after you know, our youth, but then when she passed
and then all that, it kind of took over the
online media and all these podcasters. And it's almost as
bad as it was before now that Francis is there,
because they won't address so many things are the outside
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of the Overton winner. They won't address his heresies, they
won't address his validity that you if you can't, if
you don't say that he's definitely absolutely poping there's not
any questions about it, then then you don't.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Then you don't get a voice, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
So, Yeah, it's good to have an alternative media and
and and the MAGH. They you know political hit you
today about about the MAGA people saying it's not really
legitimate Catholicism, it's all just trump Ism.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
No, it's the people.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
It's the regular people, and they need to have an
organization and leadership in a community, because when you have
a hope, it's not Catholic.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
We just don't have that kind of community.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
And I like with you and the previous guests have
said about alternative ways to exert power on the church.
That's always the way it's been, you know, and highest
the tenth the greatest spoke the last century was put
in by a veto of the of the Holy Roman
Emperor Saint Ambrose back in the early church was it
was thereby a popular vote. And we need to we
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need to build the church from the ground up because
this is where the actual Catholics are.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Tell me something, then, as someone standing at the gateway
of news aggregation, what do you think MAGA can do
moving forward, especially within the Catholic spit MAGA oriented orientated Catholics.
What what can we do over the course of the
next generation to try to make our voice known more
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in the government, the governorship, the winning of the church.
I suggested on the show to Steve yesterday, Really the
laity ought to be in charge of appointing bishops and
even the pope itself. And I cited the fact that
in the early centuries of the Church, it was the faithful
of Rome by affirmation that picked the pope. And you
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mentioned the case of Saint Ambrose. And I've had a
lot some people, especially in the traditionalist camp, sort of
pushing back on social media thing that was really to
a Protestant formulation. What's your view on that. Do you
think the laity is equipped to make these decisions do
with the ruinning of the church and that this medieval
superstructure is doing a good enough job, or do you
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think actually, perhaps it's time to be thinking about something new. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I don't believe that you can have to separate power
from from the church. The church has always had power
behind it, since the time of Pepin and Charlemagne and
the papal states.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It needed that power. It lost that power and around the.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Time of the Civil War Married Civil War, and it's
been falling apart since then because now it's vulnerable to
all these influences. You can see that, you know, the
church is now for sale. By every evil powerful person
in the world. They do everything that they're bought and
paid to do. But in the past it wasn't like that.
And so if we don't have the power, then we
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need to have the political We need to organize, you know,
in a small way in our small groups, like po
Benic said, And we need to develop our own hierarchy
that's true and legal according to the Church. And we
need to push for that, and we need to push
for power behind it. And I think you know, Trump
is going along way towards that. You see save Zelenski
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in a position he almost looked like a penitent. With Trump,
you see things moving together with with with Russia and
with the United States and this kind of and see
maloney in Italy.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
We need power behind, not not behind, you know, because
we don't want to we don't want all influences.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
We want pro Catholic power, and the war room and
the and the Maga movement can help create that situation
and support the church and support the ancient Mass and
the faithful people.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Could you just tell me quick why did you pick
the name Canon two one two for your for your
aggregator for your website.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Well, a friend of mine came up with that for
me and uh and then the name. It says that
you have a right to speak truth to power within
the Vatican. The only thing is it says that you
need to do it respectfully, which I you know, as
you know, I don't always find so appropriate. But that's
what the canon law Canon two twelve means.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Well, I suppose there are different and I think how
you want to show respect is a crudential matter. That's
my take on these things. So look, my final question
to you, I ask a person who's sitting there looking
all the news coming in, what do you think the
woman posse should be looking out for when they're seeing
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the headlines and the stories in the mainstream press and
even perhaps in the Catholic press as well. As we
went up towards the conclave, are there any sort of
mis direction players that you're that you're expecting from the
mainstream media that the posse should be especially looking out for.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, some people are suggesting that there may be a
more they may be shifting to the right, and even
though they don't have a conclave that would shift to
the right, there's nobody in there.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
There are a very few Catholics in.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
The conclave right now, and I think I can a
lot that makes it not valid conclave. You can't expect
a Catholic to come out of conclave like that. But nevertheless,
hours that be the way they work. The pendulum swings
they want they want, they wanted runners of years. The
characterists have no true pope and a false pope and
an un Catholic pope, so the pendulum can swing. And
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so that might be their next thing. They try to
get somebody, I say, like a Mike Pence. So watch
the news. Cardinal Dolan mentioned this, uh uh, Father Jerry Murray,
and the New York Diaces mentioned that somebody more conservative.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
You yourself mentioned yesterday.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
They might be looking for somebody that can actually appeal
to their actual Catholics and not everybody else but Catholics.
So I would watch to see the news, and I
would look look through the Catholic press to see what,
you know, what they're you know what they're considering. Michael
Sahn Winners at the Big Liberal at the National Catholic Reporter,
he says that he can't he thinks that we're going
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to be complaining no matter who they give us. So
and he's very much an insider and he you know,
if he's saying that, and then I wouldn't expect, you know,
somebody that's an actual Catholic but perhaps a little better.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
The National Catholic disdorter. Look just before you bounce, as
you mentioned earlier, this is an important thing about fantasis
that vanidicit. Can you just give me like one minute
on what you mean by that and what his implications are?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
You're not allowed to mention his ability, but it makes
it very difficult. Like the whole concept of a pope
being somebody who guides a church has been erased.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Carlin Muller, the.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Famous conservative Carli Esday, said, you're blind. If you expect
popes to be to guide you on Catholic teaching, you
should follow teaching yourself.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
That's not Catholic.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
And they've erased that idea because they want us to
think that. It's sort of like Democrats and Republicans, so
because they would not address the many issues Benedict. You know,
he acted like a pope, He acted like he was
still pope. He looked like a pope. Why did he
step down? You know, why did he not give Why
do you just give away like the operations, but still
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say I'm keeping the office. How can you have a
heretic be the pope? Why why could they not answer
the dubia? Why why is he not corrected? Why is
the Catholic president now always say that he's a Catholic
when he's clearly not a Catholic in so many different
obvious areas.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I just want to I've been at the Vatican every
day this week live from Saint Peter's and the great
thing about the present moment, Frank, you know what it
is the church is openly and formally said of a
Cantist the Vatican. The Vatican hadn't collapsed, the Dome hadn't
fallen in the sky, hadn't fallen in the church continues.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
I just want to put that point out there. The church,
the Church, the church that goes on. Why do we
hold the faith with the lady hold the faith? Frank,
You're doing great work canon On. I know we've been
trying to get you on the show for a long
long time. Now, just quickly, once again, what would you
go through your social media the site especially, how can
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the traditionally Catholic minded not only not only Catholic, but
also conservative evangelicals. How do they keep up with the
essential work that you're doing.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
We have so much in common with them, you know,
and they don't like seeing the church like this either.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
We're kind of like their big brother. We need to
work together to bring it back. Canon two twelve dot
com as a site and at Twitter is can two
twelve written out on all words and you can see
that my daily video update at Gloria TV, which is
a great site, and at Rumble and at my site too.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Thank welcome, very very grateful for you coming on today
of all days, the Papal Funeral Special. We'll be catching
up with you again on the show sometime soon. God
blessed for now.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Thank you, Ben, God bless your good work.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Thank you. Look, just before we go to the wait,
let's just quickly bring on Dave. But I know he's uh,
he's pushed this morning. Dave, just firstly, tell me you
listened to the previous segment that on the reference of
course to our breath and what's the view within within
your own church community on the on the death of
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Pope Francis from a Protestant perspective.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Well, it's it's very similar to the Catholic perspective. We
all believe or should believe in objective truth, right Hero Israel,
the Lord our God is one the Jewish community, the
Protestant community, Catholic community.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
We believe in objective truth.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
And we have the Catholics to thank for a lot
of creeds that are down on paper, starting with Nicea Uh, and.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Then all the rest of them.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
In Turkey, I was just over in Constantinople, Istanbul and
and Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It was just blown away.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
And unfortunately all of us need to do better, you know,
to work with the Eastern Church and in unity together.
But we have objective truth on our side. In politics,
I ran on the Republican creed. I said, there's nothing
wrong with the creed. The only problem is none of
the Republicans keep it. And I think that's analogous to
the Church. We have the creeds. We've worked for millennia
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with the Catholics at the at the beginning to put
this stuff on paper. And I think we need to
stick to our knitting there and share that with a
press that we have objective guidelines. We're not making this
up as we go, And I think that's the strongest.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Thing we can all do together.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
It's just row in the same direction with the same
content which comes from God.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Hold on to that day. We'll be back with you
in two minutes for this papal funeral special on Saturday
twenty six of April. Stay tuned.
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next guest, Philip Willen, is, along with Tom Kington, one
of the two legendary Rain correspondents for the Times of London. Philip,
welcome on to the show. I think this is your
first time on the show. You've got this great article
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out right now headline Trump's allies hope a firm friend
will emerge from the Sistine Chapel. Good morning, welcome. Tell
me what the thesis of your article in a few
words and then we'll break it down.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
In essence, the article is about concerns over who might
be in a position to influence the outcome of the
conclave for politicals and obviously we've seen that with modern
technology and almost unlimited financial resources, people can sway democratic elections.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
In countries.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Despite the scale and the difficulty Obviously, the role of
Elon Musk in the elections in the United States limited
money and control of x must have had some influence
on the outcome. So the departure point was what sort
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of risks might there be that external temporal powers could
exert an influence over the outcome of the deliberations of
the cardinals, And that was the point of departure for
my analysis. And I found particularly interesting a theory put
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forward by Alberto Maloney, who's an eminent church historian, about
the possibility of what he called a Carolingian option, which
goes back to the days of Charlomagne, when in the
Holy Roman Empire, the emperor confirmed the pope in his
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position and the pope would consecrate the emperor. And the
danger that Maloney indicated was that you could have a
modern equivalent today if you have a figure arriving at
a kind of imperial status in a position to exert
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undue influence over the Church. And in this case, in
Maloney's view, this kind of imperial role could fall to
Donald Trump and JD. Vance, who visited the pope in fact,
just on the day before he died.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
But this is obviously going to be news, Philip that
will strike fear into the heart of progressive liberal journalists,
but have but have maga applauding and sharing as they're
listening to this. So it's actually a prospect of ford
your thesis in this article, and we'll have the link
up for everyone if they if they want to go
after the show and read it astrongly recommend it's a
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great article. So you're basically suggesting then that it's not
beyond the realms of feasibility that Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
J. D.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Bance might be able to put their thumb on the scale,
perhaps in some way in the future.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Conclaim yes, that's the sort of starting point of the
theory I think in this case, as you in fact
had mentioned to me when we spoke earlier, the chances
of a genuinely conservative candidate.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Coming out on top are rather remote.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Obviously, Francis has appointed eight percent of the cardinals in
the College of Cardinals with the right to vote now,
so it's unlikely that they're going to turn.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Their backs on his progressive agenda.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
But it is a question, looking further to the future,
how temporal powers could interfere with the activities of the
Roman Catholic Church in a world which is transformed by
developments in technology, artificial intelligence, and money, huge concentrations of
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money in the hands of tech magnates.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So going forward temporal power in the form of the president.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Of an enormously powerful country or people with a strong
political agenda but who are also interested in the influence
of the Catholic Church. That's potentially, to my mind, a
source of threat to the purity and genuineness of people
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who run the church and should be running it purely
on spiritual lines and not on political lines.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I'd apply with your posing words there directly is a
criticism of this. But here's a question I have for you,
because you spent many decades that most of your life.
If I'm not mistaken, in Rome, you're an old hand there.
Tell me something about this particular papal death and the
reaction to it in Rome. Do you think it's different
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in tenor say, perhaps to the death of Jompel the second.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I think it's been very interesting actually to see what
has happened and the reaction of people in Rome.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I think there has been an enormous.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Outpouring of sympathy for poat Francis, partly because due to
the transparency that he himself insisted on. We were given
an enormous amount of information about what about time he
had in hospital when he was very seriously ill and
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twice came close to dying, and we heard from his
doctors in unusual detail exactly how gruelling that had been.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
So I think there was a lot of sympathy.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
That came for him that came out of that, and
I think people also were impressed by the fact that
he continued working and effectively effectively, or one doesn't know
how effectively, but in principle running the church, signing documents
when he was very ill in hospital and on occasion
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only able to sign with his initial f for Franciscos,
but he kept the documents coming out. He couldn't speak,
but he kept teaching and ruling despite his very very
serious condition in hospital. I think people were struck by that,
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and he was very much admired for it. And again
the follow up to that was his last appearance on
Easter Sunday, where again he was in very poor shape,
clearly suffering, but he insisted on delivering his blessing wil
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Be at Orgby and then traveling around Saint Peter's Square
in the popemobile blessing babies, just hours away from his death.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I think people were very.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Struck by the courage that he showed and the determination,
the fact that he had no intention of resigning the papacy.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
He was going to.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Keep playing the role of pope really to the bitter end.
I think people were struck by that, and a final thing,
if I might, it was interesting that his decision he
went against tradition, deciding not to live in the Vatican
where previous popes had lived, and he also decided not
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to be buried where most recent popes had been, in
the crypt of Saint Peter's and this led to him
coming out once again in the popemobile, crossing Rome, driving
past the iconic sites of Rome, past the coliseum, and
being greeted by the people of Rome who he had.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Established a case relationship with because.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
He used to He used to go out of the
shops and to visit friends in a way the previous
person had not done.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
The next time, I were back in and drilled down
or my question to you whether the degree of sentimentality
and emotion has been the same for Francis as it
was for JP.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Two.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Stay tuned. We're back in Femini.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Welcome back.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
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want to ask you this question before you go, because
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I know no one's been in Rome for as long
as you have tell me because you were. Therefore, when
jomp All the Second diet, this is something that we
do want to drill down on. The warm IMPULSI wants
to drill down on is there a different in level
of intensity between the affections, say sentimentality, say emotions displayed
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at the death of drantis compared to that of jomp
All the Second.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I think it's difficult to answer that question clearly. The
degree of grief that people feel varies. Some people, particularly
close personally close to the pope obviously extremely upset. Huge
crowds have come out to bid him farewell. But I
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think what has been interesting is that despite the sad
occasion of a death, the mood has been quite upbeat,
and possibly also the very large crowds because a lot
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of pilgrims were in Rome in any case for the
jubilee and in particular this weekend for the canonization of
Carlo Acutis.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
So a lot of young people.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Who were in Rome for the canonization of the first
millennial saint and found that instead they were going to
the funeral of a pope.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But it didn't mean that there was.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Really quite positive atmosphere, and I think a feeling that
people were encouraged by the Christian message that the end
of life on earth was not the end of everything
for believers.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
So I think obviously there was grief, there was a
very big.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Crowd, but there was a sort of upbeat atmosphere at
the end of the day. And I might also mention
that the Italian authorities really handled what was a logistics
nightmare with great skill. They got huge crowds into and
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out of of Saint Peter's Square in an orderly manner.
They got in the world leaders from across the globe
in an orderly manner, and they handled this very delicate,
massive operation with great skill and tact So I think
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they deserve they deserve praise for the way they carried
it off. And also I think it was interesting to
see the photographs of Donald Trump meeting with Vladimir Zelenski
and President Macron of France and Prime Minister Starmer of
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the United Kingdom in Saint Peter's Basilica before the beginning
of the funeral, and also the one on one meeting
that he had with Zelenski to discuss the war in Ukraine.
I know that Pope Francis in his spiritual testament talked
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of dedicating the suffering at the end of his life
to the cause of world peace, and the fact that
these leaders could come together to discuss trying to end
a very bloody and destructive war in Ukraine, actually in
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Saint Peter's Basilica itself on the occasion of his funeral,
hopefully trying to find an intelligent peace solution for the war.
If that actually brought that closer, one could think of
it almost as a miracle worked by the Pope on
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this very extraordinary and historical.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Don't it's a perfect point to end on. But if
you're going to try and use that as the miracle
book canonization, I think a number of eyebrows are going
to be raised in skepticism. Philip, Well, and thanks very
much for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
No one, no one has been saying Santa Silvia that
I'm aware of.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Nobody, nobody, nobody this time around. Listen, where do people
go to get your first rate writings in the Times
of London? Where are you on social media?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'm not particularly present on the social media at all.
I'm a representative of the dinosaur generation.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
So I think you just have to go to the
website of the newspaper.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Times dot co dot uk.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
That yes, at the Times dot co dot uk.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Perfect, Philip, will And thanks very much indeed for joining
us today for our paper funeral special. Great. Well, my
next guess, My next, My next guest is Frank Walker,
the founder and editor of I think one of the
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most important news aggregated out there Canon two one two,
which is, to put it in simple terms, it's basically
the traditional Catholic answer to the Drudge Report. Frank, welcome
onto the show. Many people suggested to me when I
said that you're going to be on this morning, but
the two of us together, are we going to be Okay?
(34:27):
I've just heard that some technical issues. I think, do
we have Frank or should we cut back to the
Lizzio guys. Okay, there are technical techno issues. Let's come
back to you. You were listened to that discussion that
we just had with Philip Willan from the time about
(34:49):
the Trump's allies hope for a firm friend emerging from
the Sistine Chapel. What's your take on the case. Do
you think that the administration has any reasonable chances of
finding someone who's going to support what they're trying to
try to reverse, if you will, that the present Catholic
Church's position, for example, on unrestricted illegal immigration, or is
(35:13):
this just is just happy to talk?
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Well, you know, I think the enemies to the church
are not from outside but from within. The Saint Golan mafia,
as we know that was largely responsible for the election
of Jree Bergolio came from modernist cardinals, and I don't
think for one minute that they're.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Going to give up the power that they.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
Feel that they have exerted in the last twelve years.
That may or may not have been in conjunction with
the masters of the universe, the globalists.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I suspect it was.
Speaker 8 (35:50):
But when you look at every single issue that has
been promoted by Francis has been really the gold standard
of the globalists. LGBT ideology, gender ideology, the Islamicization of Europe,
also the mass migration that has happened in the United States.
(36:11):
All of these are, you know, the radical agenda of
the globalists. I think the threat is going to continue
from inside the church. By the way, you know, there's
been reports that two years ago there was a reconstitution
of the what we call the Saint Golan mafia in
preparation for the next election, the next conclave. So I
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don't have that kind of confidence that we are going
to have a new change of leadership. I hope in
pray we are an easter people. We have hope, but
I cannot see the globalists who are embedded in the conclave.
And by the way, Pope Francis has appointed eighty percent
of the cardinals who are will be voting in this conclave,
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so it's very likely that they share share his globalist agenda. Secondly,
I would I would argue with with Philip that this
has not been the Pope of dialogue or transparency. He
was highly secretive about his dealings with China. He has
(37:18):
refused to really disclose what actually went on with Ted
mccerric and China. He has not been open about his
what I consider that he has been a papal predator
protector for the last twelve years, and so I'm very
concerned about the victims of clergy abuse that have not
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been served by this by this pontificate. And secondly, I
would say, you know that the traditional Latin mask supporters
have not had a hearing. There's been no dialogue with them,
and they deserve a full hearing for with respect to
the Latin mask, which is thrive being in growing largely
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among young people.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
So and if I might add, despite his best intentions
to suppress that, can I just go back a bit
of what you were saying before you said two things,
and I just want to break that down, and we've
got to like about a minute and a half. What
did you mean when you said that you think that
the main dangerous threats to the Catholic Church are within
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rather than with that. And what were you referring to
when you mentioned the Saint Girl and mafia.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
The Saint Colin Mafia. I'm Cardinal Denials, who has since
passed away. He's the Cardinal of Brussels, Belgium.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
And a number of other.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
Cardinals from Germany and from England, including Cardinal Ted mccarett,
the notorious sexual predator, met repeatedly way back in the
nineteen ninety eighths, going forward to replace what they would
consider to be the medieval pontificate of John Paul the
Second and impose a new modernist agenda on the Catholic Church.
(39:04):
They were not successful in two thousand and five. They
had lobbied very hard for Brigolio in two thousand and
five election. Benedict, who was clearly opposed to the globalist
plan and would never have allowed the LGBT ideology or
the Islamization of Europe to occur during his pontificate, was
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elected in twenty five. However, we know what happened in
twenty thirteen, the shock of the world that Benedicts stepped
down and the election of Brigolio and this is interesting
when we hear all the talk about the Papa Bila
in twenty thirteen, Ben there was no mention in the
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betting markets of Jorge Brigolio.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
He was number fortieth on the list.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
So what they did, what the Saint Gollin mafia did,
who lobbied and really politics for Brigolio, They kept it
close to the vest.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
They counted their vote.
Speaker 8 (40:00):
And I think there's a warning shot for all of
us right now that this may be going on as
we speak. So the sweet steaks that are going on
with respect to Papa Blay need to have that cautionary
tale that there may be a stocking horse out there.
But the real modernists will come forward at the end.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Listen hold on that point. We're going to come back
to that late on in the show. We've also got
Frank Walker, John yev Instead, Lucasen coming up to break
down the events of today on this War Room Papal
Funeral Special.
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All these networks lying about the people, the people have
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I know you don't like hearing that.
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I know you tried to do everything in the.
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in the show with Dave Ratt as well. Let's go
back to Frank Walker. Frank and tell me something about
your inspiration behind putting this website canon to one two together,
what did you hope to achieve?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Well, I started volunteering with a site similar before, and
I was writing articles for them, and I realized that
the time spent on this sort of work instead of
writing articles can be more influential, so I just stuck
with it. It's nice to have a place where people
can learn can be more catholic and more conservative when
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you consider them as an alternative to what's in the media.
So I do it, and I've been happy to see,
you know, the community that's built around it and the
things that we've been able to accomplish, and writers and
people like you who look at it. It really makes
a I think. I think I like to help people
like you get all the information you need to do
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what you do.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So that's another.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Part of it.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Well, from my perspective, that's one thousand percent of the case.
And I just want to underline the point here, because
the war with philosophy is all about agency and giving
the posse, our war imposse all the information with which
that they can then access, study, decide, diffuse among amongst
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their friends on their own social media. That people in
this movement can really make things happen while they're just
being passive and receptive to other people's decisions and actions.
I think what you're doing here with canon two one
two is absolutely important in that, especially seeing the Catholic,
(03:01):
the traditionalist Catholic, the conservative Catholic side of things, right
as you as you were saying before, if you depend
on the special Catholic risk, you're effectively going to be misled.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, it's gotten it's gotten worse in recent years. It
kind of rose with Mother and Jelica. It came back
after you know, our youth, but then when she passed
and then all that, it kind of took over the
online media and all these podcasters. And it's almost as
bad as it was before now that Francis is there,
because they won't address so many things are the outside
(03:37):
of the Overton winner. They won't address his heresies, they
won't address his validity that you if you can't, if
you don't say that he's definitely absolutely poping there's not
any questions about it, then then you don't.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Then you don't get a voice, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
So, Yeah, it's good to have an alternative media and
and and the MAGH. They you know political hit you
today about about the MAGA people saying it's not really
legitimate Catholicism, it's all just trump Ism.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
No, it's the people.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
It's the regular people, and they need to have an
organization and leadership in a community, because when you have
a hope, it's not Catholic.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
We just don't have that kind of community.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
And I like with you and the previous guests have
said about alternative ways to exert power on the church.
That's always the way it's been, you know, and highest
the tenth the greatest spoke the last century was put
in by a veto of the of the Holy Roman
Emperor Saint Ambrose back in the early church was it
was thereby a popular vote. And we need to we
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need to build the church from the ground up because
this is where the actual Catholics are.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Tell me something, then, as someone standing at the gateway
of news aggregation, what do you think MAGA can do
moving forward, especially within the Catholic spit MAGA oriented orientated Catholics.
What what can we do over the course of the
next generation to try to make our voice known more
(05:06):
in the government, the governorship, the winning of the church.
I suggested on the show to Steve yesterday, Really the
laity ought to be in charge of appointing bishops and
even the pope itself. And I cited the fact that
in the early centuries of the Church, it was the faithful
of Rome by affirmation that picked the pope. And you
(05:28):
mentioned the case of Saint Ambrose. And I've had a
lot some people, especially in the traditionalist camp, sort of
pushing back on social media thing that was really to
a Protestant formulation. What's your view on that. Do you
think the laity is equipped to make these decisions do
with the ruinning of the church and that this medieval
superstructure is doing a good enough job, or do you
(05:51):
think actually, perhaps it's time to be thinking about something new. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I don't believe that you can have to separate power
from from the church. The church has always had power
behind it, since the time of Pepin and Charlemagne and
the papal states.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It needed that power. It lost that power and around the.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Time of the Civil War Married Civil War, and it's
been falling apart since then because now it's vulnerable to
all these influences. You can see that, you know, the
church is now for sale. By every evil powerful person
in the world. They do everything that they're bought and
paid to do. But in the past it wasn't like that.
And so if we don't have the power, then we
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need to have the political We need to organize, you know,
in a small way in our small groups, like po
Benic said, And we need to develop our own hierarchy
that's true and legal according to the Church. And we
need to push for that, and we need to push
for power behind it. And I think you know, Trump
is going along way towards that. You see save Zelenski
(06:54):
in a position he almost looked like a penitent. With Trump,
you see things moving together with with with Russia and
with the United States and this kind of and see
maloney in Italy.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
We need power behind, not not behind, you know, because
we don't want to we don't want all influences.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
We want pro Catholic power, and the war room and
the and the Maga movement can help create that situation
and support the church and support the ancient Mass and
the faithful people.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Could you just tell me quick why did you pick
the name Canon two one two for your for your
aggregator for your website.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Well, a friend of mine came up with that for
me and uh and then the name. It says that
you have a right to speak truth to power within
the Vatican. The only thing is it says that you
need to do it respectfully, which I you know, as
you know, I don't always find so appropriate. But that's
what the canon law Canon two twelve means.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Well, I suppose there are different and I think how
you want to show respect is a crudential matter. That's
my take on these things. So look, my final question
to you, I ask a person who's sitting there looking
all the news coming in, what do you think the
woman posse should be looking out for when they're seeing
(08:18):
the headlines and the stories in the mainstream press and
even perhaps in the Catholic press as well. As we
went up towards the conclave, are there any sort of
mis direction players that you're that you're expecting from the
mainstream media that the posse should be especially looking out for.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, some people are suggesting that there may be a
more they may be shifting to the right, and even
though they don't have a conclave that would shift to
the right, there's nobody in there.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
There are a very few Catholics in.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
The conclave right now, and I think I can a
lot that makes it not valid conclave. You can't expect
a Catholic to come out of conclave like that. But nevertheless,
hours that be the way they work. The pendulum swings
they want they want, they wanted runners of years. The
characterists have no true pope and a false pope and
an un Catholic pope, so the pendulum can swing. And
(09:11):
so that might be their next thing. They try to
get somebody, I say, like a Mike Pence. So watch
the news. Cardinal Dolan mentioned this, uh uh, Father Jerry Murray,
and the New York Diaces mentioned that somebody more conservative.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
You yourself mentioned yesterday.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
They might be looking for somebody that can actually appeal
to their actual Catholics and not everybody else but Catholics.
So I would watch to see the news, and I
would look look through the Catholic press to see what,
you know, what they're you know what they're considering. Michael
Sahn Winners at the Big Liberal at the National Catholic Reporter,
he says that he can't he thinks that we're going
(09:48):
to be complaining no matter who they give us. So
and he's very much an insider and he you know,
if he's saying that, and then I wouldn't expect, you know,
somebody that's an actual Catholic but perhaps a little better.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
The National Catholic disdorter. Look just before you bounce, as
you mentioned earlier, this is an important thing about fantasis
that vanidicit. Can you just give me like one minute
on what you mean by that and what his implications are?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
You're not allowed to mention his ability, but it makes
it very difficult. Like the whole concept of a pope
being somebody who guides a church has been erased.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Carlin Muller, the.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Famous conservative Carli Esday, said, you're blind. If you expect
popes to be to guide you on Catholic teaching, you
should follow teaching yourself.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
That's not Catholic.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
And they've erased that idea because they want us to
think that. It's sort of like Democrats and Republicans, so
because they would not address the many issues Benedict. You know,
he acted like a pope, He acted like he was
still pope. He looked like a pope. Why did he
step down? You know, why did he not give Why
do you just give away like the operations, but still
(11:04):
say I'm keeping the office. How can you have a
heretic be the pope? Why why could they not answer
the dubia? Why why is he not corrected? Why is
the Catholic president now always say that he's a Catholic
when he's clearly not a Catholic in so many different
obvious areas.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
I just want to I've been at the Vatican every
day this week live from Saint Peter's and the great
thing about the present moment, Frank, you know what it
is the church is openly and formally said of a
Cantist the Vatican. The Vatican hadn't collapsed, the Dome hadn't
fallen in the sky, hadn't fallen in the church continues.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
I just want to put that point out there. The church,
the Church, the church that goes on. Why do we
hold the faith with the lady hold the faith? Frank,
You're doing great work canon On. I know we've been
trying to get you on the show for a long
long time. Now, just quickly, once again, what would you
go through your social media the site especially, how can
(12:10):
the traditionally Catholic minded not only not only Catholic, but
also conservative evangelicals. How do they keep up with the
essential work that you're doing.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
We have so much in common with them, you know,
and they don't like seeing the church like this either.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
We're kind of like their big brother. We need to
work together to bring it back. Canon two twelve dot
com as a site and at Twitter is can two
twelve written out on all words and you can see
that my daily video update at Gloria TV, which is
a great site, and at Rumble and at my site too.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Thank welcome, very very grateful for you coming on today
of all days, the Papal Funeral Special. We'll be catching
up with you again on the show sometime soon. God
blessed for now.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Thank you, Ben, God bless your good work.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Thank you. Look, just before we go to the wait,
let's just quickly bring on Dave. But I know he's uh,
he's pushed this morning. Dave, just firstly, tell me you
listened to the previous segment that on the reference of
course to our breath and what's the view within within
your own church community on the on the death of
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Pope Francis from a Protestant perspective.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Well, it's it's very similar to the Catholic perspective. We
all believe or should believe in objective truth, right Hero Israel,
the Lord our God is one the Jewish community, the
Protestant community, Catholic community.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
We believe in objective truth.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
And we have the Catholics to thank for a lot
of creeds that are down on paper, starting with Nicea Uh, and.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Then all the rest of them.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
In Turkey, I was just over in Constantinople, Istanbul and
and Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It was just blown away.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
And unfortunately all of us need to do better, you know,
to work with the Eastern Church and in unity together.
But we have objective truth on our side. In politics,
I ran on the Republican creed. I said, there's nothing
wrong with the creed. The only problem is none of
the Republicans keep it. And I think that's analogous to
the Church. We have the creeds. We've worked for millennia
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with the Catholics at the at the beginning to put
this stuff on paper. And I think we need to
stick to our knitting there and share that with a
press that we have objective guidelines. We're not making this
up as we go, And I think that's the strongest.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Thing we can all do together.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
It's just row in the same direction with the same
content which comes from God.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Hold on to that day. We'll be back with you
in two minutes for this papal funeral special on Saturday
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next guest, Philip Willen, is, along with Tom Kington, one
of the two legendary Rain correspondents for the Times of London. Philip,
welcome on to the show. I think this is your
first time on the show. You've got this great article
(17:27):
out right now headline Trump's allies hope a firm friend
will emerge from the Sistine Chapel. Good morning, welcome. Tell
me what the thesis of your article in a few
words and then we'll break it down.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
In essence, the article is about concerns over who might
be in a position to influence the outcome of the
conclave for politicals and obviously we've seen that with modern
technology and almost unlimited financial resources, people can sway democratic elections.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
In countries.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Despite the scale and the difficulty Obviously, the role of
Elon Musk in the elections in the United States limited
money and control of x must have had some influence
on the outcome. So the departure point was what sort
(18:38):
of risks might there be that external temporal powers could
exert an influence over the outcome of the deliberations of
the cardinals, And that was the point of departure for
my analysis. And I found particularly interesting a theory put
(19:01):
forward by Alberto Maloney, who's an eminent church historian, about
the possibility of what he called a Carolingian option, which
goes back to the days of Charlomagne, when in the
Holy Roman Empire, the emperor confirmed the pope in his
(19:26):
position and the pope would consecrate the emperor. And the
danger that Maloney indicated was that you could have a
modern equivalent today if you have a figure arriving at
a kind of imperial status in a position to exert
(19:51):
undue influence over the Church. And in this case, in
Maloney's view, this kind of imperial role could fall to
Donald Trump and JD. Vance, who visited the pope in fact,
just on the day before he died.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
But this is obviously going to be news, Philip that
will strike fear into the heart of progressive liberal journalists,
but have but have maga applauding and sharing as they're
listening to this. So it's actually a prospect of ford
your thesis in this article, and we'll have the link
up for everyone if they if they want to go
after the show and read it astrongly recommend it's a
(20:31):
great article. So you're basically suggesting then that it's not
beyond the realms of feasibility that Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
J. D.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
Bance might be able to put their thumb on the scale,
perhaps in some way in the future.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Conclaim yes, that's the sort of starting point of the
theory I think in this case, as you in fact
had mentioned to me when we spoke earlier, the chances
of a genuinely conservative candidate.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Coming out on top are rather remote.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Obviously, Francis has appointed eight percent of the cardinals in
the College of Cardinals with the right to vote now,
so it's unlikely that they're going to turn.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Their backs on his progressive agenda.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
But it is a question, looking further to the future,
how temporal powers could interfere with the activities of the
Roman Catholic Church in a world which is transformed by
developments in technology, artificial intelligence, and money, huge concentrations of
(21:59):
money in the hands of tech magnates.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So going forward temporal power in the form of the president.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Of an enormously powerful country or people with a strong
political agenda but who are also interested in the influence
of the Catholic Church. That's potentially, to my mind, a
source of threat to the purity and genuineness of people
(22:35):
who run the church and should be running it purely
on spiritual lines and not on political lines.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I'd apply with your posing words there directly is a
criticism of this. But here's a question I have for you,
because you spent many decades that most of your life.
If I'm not mistaken, in Rome, you're an old hand there.
Tell me something about this particular papal death and the
reaction to it in Rome. Do you think it's different
(23:07):
in tenor say, perhaps to the death of Jompel the second.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I think it's been very interesting actually to see what
has happened and the reaction of people in Rome.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I think there has been an enormous.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Outpouring of sympathy for poat Francis, partly because due to
the transparency that he himself insisted on. We were given
an enormous amount of information about what about time he
had in hospital when he was very seriously ill and
(23:48):
twice came close to dying, and we heard from his
doctors in unusual detail exactly how gruelling that had been.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
So I think there was a lot of sympathy.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
That came for him that came out of that, and
I think people also were impressed by the fact that
he continued working and effectively effectively, or one doesn't know
how effectively, but in principle running the church, signing documents
when he was very ill in hospital and on occasion
(24:24):
only able to sign with his initial f for Franciscos,
but he kept the documents coming out. He couldn't speak,
but he kept teaching and ruling despite his very very
serious condition in hospital. I think people were struck by that,
(24:45):
and he was very much admired for it. And again
the follow up to that was his last appearance on
Easter Sunday, where again he was in very poor shape,
clearly suffering, but he insisted on delivering his blessing wil
(25:09):
Be at Orgby and then traveling around Saint Peter's Square
in the popemobile blessing babies, just hours away from his death.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I think people were very.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Struck by the courage that he showed and the determination,
the fact that he had no intention of resigning the papacy.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
He was going to.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Keep playing the role of pope really to the bitter end.
I think people were struck by that, and a final thing,
if I might, it was interesting that his decision he
went against tradition, deciding not to live in the Vatican
where previous popes had lived, and he also decided not
(25:52):
to be buried where most recent popes had been, in
the crypt of Saint Peter's and this led to him
coming out once again in the popemobile, crossing Rome, driving
past the iconic sites of Rome, past the coliseum, and
being greeted by the people of Rome who he had.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Established a case relationship with because.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
He used to He used to go out of the
shops and to visit friends in a way the previous
person had not done.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
The next time, I were back in and drilled down
or my question to you whether the degree of sentimentality
and emotion has been the same for Francis as it
was for JP.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Two.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Stay tuned. We're back in Femini.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Welcome back.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
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want to ask you this question before you go, because
(28:16):
I know no one's been in Rome for as long
as you have tell me because you were. Therefore, when
jomp All the Second diet, this is something that we
do want to drill down on. The warm IMPULSI wants
to drill down on is there a different in level
of intensity between the affections, say sentimentality, say emotions displayed
(28:40):
at the death of drantis compared to that of jomp
All the Second.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I think it's difficult to answer that question clearly. The
degree of grief that people feel varies. Some people, particularly
close personally close to the pope obviously extremely upset. Huge
crowds have come out to bid him farewell. But I
(29:10):
think what has been interesting is that despite the sad
occasion of a death, the mood has been quite upbeat,
and possibly also the very large crowds because a lot
(29:31):
of pilgrims were in Rome in any case for the
jubilee and in particular this weekend for the canonization of
Carlo Acutis.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
So a lot of young people.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Who were in Rome for the canonization of the first
millennial saint and found that instead they were going to
the funeral of a pope.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But it didn't mean that there was.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Really quite positive atmosphere, and I think a feeling that
people were encouraged by the Christian message that the end
of life on earth was not the end of everything
for believers.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
So I think obviously there was grief, there was a
very big.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Crowd, but there was a sort of upbeat atmosphere at
the end of the day. And I might also mention
that the Italian authorities really handled what was a logistics
nightmare with great skill. They got huge crowds into and
(30:52):
out of of Saint Peter's Square in an orderly manner.
They got in the world leaders from across the globe
in an orderly manner, and they handled this very delicate,
massive operation with great skill and tact So I think
(31:16):
they deserve they deserve praise for the way they carried
it off. And also I think it was interesting to
see the photographs of Donald Trump meeting with Vladimir Zelenski
and President Macron of France and Prime Minister Starmer of
(31:39):
the United Kingdom in Saint Peter's Basilica before the beginning
of the funeral, and also the one on one meeting
that he had with Zelenski to discuss the war in Ukraine.
I know that Pope Francis in his spiritual testament talked
(31:59):
of dedicating the suffering at the end of his life
to the cause of world peace, and the fact that
these leaders could come together to discuss trying to end
a very bloody and destructive war in Ukraine, actually in
(32:22):
Saint Peter's Basilica itself on the occasion of his funeral,
hopefully trying to find an intelligent peace solution for the war.
If that actually brought that closer, one could think of
it almost as a miracle worked by the Pope on
(32:43):
this very extraordinary and historical.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Don't it's a perfect point to end on. But if
you're going to try and use that as the miracle
book canonization, I think a number of eyebrows are going
to be raised in skepticism. Philip, Well, and thanks very
much for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
No one, no one has been saying Santa Silvia that
I'm aware of.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Nobody, nobody, nobody this time around. Listen, where do people
go to get your first rate writings in the Times
of London? Where are you on social media?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'm not particularly present on the social media at all.
I'm a representative of the dinosaur generation.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
So I think you just have to go to the
website of the newspaper.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Times dot co dot uk.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
That yes, at the Times dot co dot uk.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Perfect, Philip, will And thanks very much indeed for joining
us today for our paper funeral special. Great. Well, my
next guess, My next, My next guest is Frank Walker,
the founder and editor of I think one of the
(34:02):
most important news aggregated out there Canon two one two,
which is, to put it in simple terms, it's basically
the traditional Catholic answer to the Drudge Report. Frank, welcome
onto the show. Many people suggested to me when I
said that you're going to be on this morning, but
the two of us together, are we going to be Okay?
(34:27):
I've just heard that some technical issues. I think, do
we have Frank or should we cut back to the
Lizzio guys. Okay, there are technical techno issues. Let's come
back to you. You were listened to that discussion that
we just had with Philip Willan from the time about
(34:49):
the Trump's allies hope for a firm friend emerging from
the Sistine Chapel. What's your take on the case. Do
you think that the administration has any reasonable chances of
finding someone who's going to support what they're trying to
try to reverse, if you will, that the present Catholic
Church's position, for example, on unrestricted illegal immigration, or is
(35:13):
this just is just happy to talk?
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Well, you know, I think the enemies to the church
are not from outside but from within. The Saint Golan mafia,
as we know that was largely responsible for the election
of Jree Bergolio came from modernist cardinals, and I don't
think for one minute that they're.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Going to give up the power that they.
Speaker 8 (35:39):
Feel that they have exerted in the last twelve years.
That may or may not have been in conjunction with
the masters of the universe, the globalists.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
I suspect it was.
Speaker 8 (35:50):
But when you look at every single issue that has
been promoted by Francis has been really the gold standard
of the globalists. LGBT ideology, gender ideology, the Islamicization of Europe,
also the mass migration that has happened in the United States.
(36:11):
All of these are, you know, the radical agenda of
the globalists. I think the threat is going to continue
from inside the church. By the way, you know, there's
been reports that two years ago there was a reconstitution
of the what we call the Saint Golan mafia in
preparation for the next election, the next conclave. So I
(36:34):
don't have that kind of confidence that we are going
to have a new change of leadership. I hope in
pray we are an easter people. We have hope, but
I cannot see the globalists who are embedded in the conclave.
And by the way, Pope Francis has appointed eighty percent
of the cardinals who are will be voting in this conclave,
(36:58):
so it's very likely that they share share his globalist agenda. Secondly,
I would I would argue with with Philip that this
has not been the Pope of dialogue or transparency. He
was highly secretive about his dealings with China. He has
(37:18):
refused to really disclose what actually went on with Ted
mccerric and China. He has not been open about his
what I consider that he has been a papal predator
protector for the last twelve years, and so I'm very
concerned about the victims of clergy abuse that have not
(37:41):
been served by this by this pontificate. And secondly, I
would say, you know that the traditional Latin mask supporters
have not had a hearing. There's been no dialogue with them,
and they deserve a full hearing for with respect to
the Latin mask, which is thrive being in growing largely
(38:02):
among young people.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
So and if I might add, despite his best intentions
to suppress that, can I just go back a bit
of what you were saying before you said two things,
and I just want to break that down, and we've
got to like about a minute and a half. What
did you mean when you said that you think that
the main dangerous threats to the Catholic Church are within
(38:26):
rather than with that. And what were you referring to
when you mentioned the Saint Girl and mafia.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
The Saint Colin Mafia. I'm Cardinal Denials, who has since
passed away. He's the Cardinal of Brussels, Belgium.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
And a number of other.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
Cardinals from Germany and from England, including Cardinal Ted mccarett,
the notorious sexual predator, met repeatedly way back in the
nineteen ninety eighths, going forward to replace what they would
consider to be the medieval pontificate of John Paul the
Second and impose a new modernist agenda on the Catholic Church.
(39:04):
They were not successful in two thousand and five. They
had lobbied very hard for Brigolio in two thousand and
five election. Benedict, who was clearly opposed to the globalist
plan and would never have allowed the LGBT ideology or
the Islamization of Europe to occur during his pontificate, was
(39:25):
elected in twenty five. However, we know what happened in
twenty thirteen, the shock of the world that Benedicts stepped
down and the election of Brigolio and this is interesting
when we hear all the talk about the Papa Bila
in twenty thirteen, Ben there was no mention in the
(39:46):
betting markets of Jorge Brigolio.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
He was number fortieth on the list.
Speaker 8 (39:50):
So what they did, what the Saint Gollin mafia did,
who lobbied and really politics for Brigolio, They kept it
close to the vest.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
They counted their vote.
Speaker 8 (40:00):
And I think there's a warning shot for all of
us right now that this may be going on as
we speak. So the sweet steaks that are going on
with respect to Papa Blay need to have that cautionary
tale that there may be a stocking horse out there.
But the real modernists will come forward at the end.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Listen hold on that point. We're going to come back
to that late on in the show. We've also got
Frank Walker, John yev Instead, Lucasen coming up to break
down the events of today on this War Room Papal
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Speaker 5 (41:19):
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