April 14, 2022 • 57 mins
Freshly unmasked from his stint on The Masked Singer, Dog the Bounty Hunter joins Leah and Demetri and gives an unplugged glimpse into the man behind the bounties. We get to know the real Dog as he goes unplugged about his personal life, what's rattled him the most over the years and '2 dogs are better than 1' as Leah uncovers details on a potential collaboration between him and Snoop Dogg.Plus the Hot Topics: A home invasion/murder solved by homework?, The odd post-murder behavior of OnlyFans star Courtney Tailor and the latest on the 'The Texting Suicide' case.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of
Real Time Crime. I'm your host Leo Lamar, and I
have with me my favorite sometimes Dmitri Dmitri. That started
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off as like a roller coaster. It was like I
could feel it was ticking up and I was like,
this is gonna be such a nice introduction, and then
it flatlined. Well, the thing is that the second I
said my favorite, I knew you were just going to
have our remark about that, and I just wasn't prepared
for it. No, to be honest, that I was going
to let that go because it's like you know, when
a cat comes near you, you you don't want to scare
it off because it won't come back. So when you
called me favorite, I wasn't going to mention it because
(00:45):
I was like, she won't do it again if I
make a big deal out of it. And here we are.
This is like when I never told my sister, I
know I'm the favorite because you just make a huge
deal about it, you know, right, I didn't know you
had a sister. Well, like I said, anyway, moving on,
so we'll be talking about a lot of in Doble.
Uh let me rephrase that incredibly insane stories today. The
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first hot topic we'll be talking about is a home
invasion suspect busted after leaving school assignment in car. The
next is USPS stopping delivering to a specific neighborhood in
California after repeated attacks, and then an Only Fans star
killing her boyfriend allegedly, and then the death of Conrad Roy.
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I'm sure you guys have heard about this case. It
is about the texting suicide case. And lastly, we have
a very special guest with us today, Dog the Bounty
Hunters found us even I'm very excited about this, especially
because I'm not sure if you guys remember this, but
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I will tell this dog when he gets here. When
we started the podcast, it was all about Gabby Petito
and Brian Laundry, and Dog was a huge part of that.
Dog We brought Dog in and by we, I mean America.
He was called in um to come and try to
track down Brian and so we talked about him early, early,
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and like the maybe the first two or three episodes
of this podcast. So I'm excited to see what he's
up to. Now we all know that he did just
get kicked off the Math Singer, So we're gonna be
really gentle. Yeah, that's that. That'll that'll rattle anybody. I
mean truly. I loved his costume, the armadillo so cool. Yeah.
But but when when we talked about Dog early on,
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when he said about the Gabby Petito stuff that was
he was like to me, he was like somebody. I
knew he was real, but I never thought, Hey, Dog's
gonna join us one day and today's that day. Today's
that day. Look at us, baby, look at us. Now
we made it all right. So let's jump into our
hot topics today. First of all, we've got a home
invasion suspect busted after leaving school assignment in car. It
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just reads like an onion article. A teenager wanted over
a deadly Las Vegas home invasion was busted after leaving
his homework in the getaway car. Math homework featuring Camari
Oliver's name was found in the backpack inside the car
in March after the suspects crashed into a while outside
the victim's home and fled on foot. Inside the backpack
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was a school chromebook along with a notebook of schoolwork,
specifically math work, and in the top right corner of
the schoolwork, the name Camari Oliver and fifth period were written.
Cops arrested the eighteen year old at Las Vegas Valley
High School last week after realizing he had an unexplained
absence for the last two periods on the day of
the deadly home invasion. Okay, so, Dmitri, do we think
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it was actually him? Do we think it was just
a coincidence that his backpack was in the car? I mean,
the first first thing is first is it's so stupid
that it makes you think someone had to have taken
that to frame them. But it doesn't. I mean, it
doesn't seem like that. It seems like it's just a
stupid move. He didn't even say my backpack I've stolen,
so that eliminates the framing part. That's number one. Number two,
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so he doesn't have any prior criminal history, and I'm
wondering if they're going to try him as an adult
or a juvenile. But the thing is that they're saying,
will he get away with it? He he allegedly or
someone in his crew murdered a twenty four year old woman, Right,
so someone needs to go to jail. Right, You don't
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get to just murder, someone burglarized them and then walk
away scott free. You're eighteen years old. Sounds like you're
you're not being tried as a juvenile in my opinion,
I agree. And it's bizarre though, because like the guy
had his home, like clearly he's not just like I mean,
he had his homework, he had it written on top,
and he had it with him, so clearly he must
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do homework and stuff like that. So it's a little
bit of a cross as to what type of character
this guy really is. Did he get caught up in something.
Is it back to the future too, when they came
and they were like Marty Jr. Come do this thing
with us, and he just did it and it ruined
the rest of his life or I don't know, Like
I'm curious to see how what I'm saying. So he's
been charge with murder, robbery, burglary, and kidnapping. And in
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addition to the backpop backpack cops that they found five
thousand dollars in the getaway car. So I don't know
whether he just got wrangled into going with his friends
or you know, in the car also crashed. That's how
they caught him. Well, and then got the backpack as well.
But they're saying that his attorney is saying that the
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team wasn't involved in the murder, and the evidence is
going to show that he never went inside the house,
so he still knew what was going on even if
he never went into the house. And the girl's boyfriend
was known for selling high end jewelry on Instagram, so
I'm assuming that they thought that they would find a
lot of jewelry. They didn't mean to kill anyone, and
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then there was some sort of gunfire, and now we
are where we are, and and lives are changed forever
and and unfortunately ended as well, I think, you know,
and not that hopefully no one that's listening is thinking
about doing a crime. But it's like, this is what
you really got to think through what you're doing. Oh listen,
let's skip two periods. We'll go get some some jewelry
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from this house. We'll have some money. Ship. You don't
just don't know how things are going to play out.
And yeah, I also like that. It's like, oh, but
it was his first murder, so does he have to
go to jail. It's like, yeah, you go, you go
to jail in the first murder. I don't care if
it's the only murder you know, This wasn't It's like
you didn't even really know these people, did you? You
just not that that makes it better. It makes it
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worse in my opinion. Actually, actually now it's all bad.
It's all really bad. I think he's a I think
I hope they find the rest of the guys. I
wonder if what will happen is they end up getting
him to say the rest of the names and then
giving him a lesser jail sentence. I mean, I usually
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what they what they do, and so I don't see
what you're eighteen years old? I mean, what's the point
you're gonna you canna hold on to those names? No,
you're gonna cough him up because as you want, especially
if you hire life in jail, especially if you're your
thing is that, oh, he didn't know what was happening,
He never went into the place. If you really think
you're that innocent, then cough up those names. Yep? Who
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are you? Who are you? Who are you laying down for? Then?
All right, Dmitri, I agree, let's move on to our
next hot topic. Speaking of who are you laying down for?
The USPS has laid down there delivery of the mail
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and is stopping service to a certain neighborhood in Santa
Monica because of repeated tax on mail carrier since January.
The first incident happened on January nine, when a resident
living near the intersection of fourteen and Arizona Avenue allegedly
swung a broomstick at one carrier delivering mail in the
early evening hours. The carrier was not injured in the
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tech apparently, and then months later, residents recently received notices
from the USPS informing them that the reservice has hereby
been suspended to all addresses located in the block of
fourteen Street. The notice explained that multiple carriers have been
subjected to assault and threats of assault from an individual
who has not been located or apprehended. Is this a
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little drastic, It's it's drastic, it's dramatic. I mean, what
do you do? Right, You're walking to school right as
a kid? A bully picks on you. What do you
do you find someone to go with you? The first
thing that you find a broomstick and swinging at swinging
at him? Right, No, but they should be sending an
armed police officer on the route, Like, you don't just
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stop delivering to everybody because someone's swinging a broomstick. Also,
I'm just like, did you that person's wife? Mean no, oh,
you mean got it? Oh because the stopping by the
house all the time. Sure, yeah, exactly. We don't know
what's happening there. You know, maybe maybe you would want
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to swing the broomstick. You know, maybe this has nothing
to do with someone not wanting their mail. I mean, like,
why are we swinging the broomstick? That's the first question
we gotta ask. And by the way, it's there's people everywhere,
like a little office stuff. That's not a terrible neighborhood
fourteen in Arizona and Santa Monica. No, it seems too random.
It's like, oh, you should stop serving mail in Venice
where there are people just out in the streets going crazy.
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They're talking about a legitimate resident who has an issue,
so clearly they know which house it is. Right, change
up the routes, give somebody else that route. If it's
a personal thing, right, just send an officer, like you
don't just stop. That's your job. Your job is to
deliver the mail. And I'm talking about the whole USPS.
So you don't just be like, hey, guys, listen, it
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was crazy windy, so we're not in that in that alley,
so we're not going to deliver it there anymore. It's like,
you can't just come up with something that to me,
this Obviously I don't want the person to get hurt
or anything, but this is a little benign. We haven't
been able to identify them. Then identify them, right, yeah,
I mean their job is to deliver promotional materials. Will
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never open and my tax turns and that's it, which
I mean someone else will. I won't. But you know,
all right, let's move on to this next case that
this is absolutely insane and only van star Corney Taylor
confronted at a hotel bar over killing her boyfriend. I
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just want to say, if you have not watched the
TMZ footage, there are two different videos, one of her
getting a confronted at this hotel bar, which is confirmed
her by the way, she's with her dad and this
other woman is filming her and saying, yeah, you should
go because you just killed your boyfriend. Yeah you did.
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It's so wild. And then the other footage is very shocking,
and she's wearing a tankini braw let and white pants
and she's soaked in blood, sitting on the floor and handcuffs.
I'm actually this feels a little Logan Polly to me,
where I'm just like, why are we posting this on
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the internet? But then I guess, you know, we see
crazy stuff on the news all the time, all right.
So Courtney Clenny, she is years old and she's known
on social media as Courtney Taylor, was taken to a
mental institution after Christian Opum Sally was stabbed to death.
That's allegedly her boyfriend, the cops said. A video has
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now emerged on Instagram showing someone filming a blonde woman
in the barb of Miami's Grand Beach Hotel Friday night.
As I told you, she was with her dad and
they get up and leave after this altercation. The investigation
into the death is ongoing and she hasn't been arrested
or charged with a crime. The new footage comes days
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just after Clenny was pictured handcuffed and drenched and blood
moments after he was stabbed to death. Like I said,
the footage is on TMC and she's wearing bag basically
like a crop top, white pants covered in blood. Her
arm appears to be held back, like she's being handcuffed,
and this is I'm just this is I'm baffled by
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human beings. Yeah, well, a lot of questions. So was
she handcuffed? Was that like the police had arrived at
the scene and she was handcuffed and being detained because
she was freaking out? I mean did she and how
did this person like for this person to approach and
be like, yeah, you should go. You just it all
seems a little right, like why hasn't she been charged yet? Right?
Do you think, well, she'll end up getting charged. Do
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you think they'll just send her to the mental institutions?
Say it was insanity. I mean the other thing is
when you read reports about this, apparently they had violent
interactions in the past. Some people were even saying, you
know that he was trying to take her into some
sort of like human trafficking ring. I mean, it's very confusing.
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I think that there's always two sides to every story.
I wish we were talking about Johnny deppany and for
her today speaking of two sides to every story, where
you just don't really know who to believe. But in
a situation like this, it's clear that there were previous arguments,
previous fights, previous violence which was agreed upon by their friends,
And I just I think no, I just think it's
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clear that she took matters into her own hands killed
him and allegedly and whether or not this was a
moment of temporary insanity or she was she was defending herself.
Some people are saying it's self defense. We won't know
until we get more details. There's a lot that can
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be read into behavior after an event. That's why I
had a problem with Will Smith dancing at his at
his party, at the Oscar party, in the post Oscar party.
But this thing if whether you did this or not,
he was indeed he wasn't fact your boyfriend, right? Why
is the is she with her dad in like a
hotel bar, like just fucking laylow for a little while,
Whether you did it or not, I don't get. I
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don't get the whatever it is in their brains that says, okay,
it's okay for me to go on and just do
life normally. Like there's a disconnect there, And to me,
that's the scariest thing. I completely agree, you know, what
we are gonna go to a quick break because our
guest has arrived and we got to bring him in.
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I'm so excited. Don't touch that dial. We'll be right back. Friends,
don't commit a crime while we're waiting for Dog in
the zoom lobby. I was trying to find a rhyming word,
just didn't come O k brbeah and we're back, you guys,
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I am so excited to introduce our guests for today.
It is an honor that he's here. Duane Lee Chapman,
also known his Dog the Bounty Hunter. You guys, you
already know him and love him. He's an American television personality,
a bounty hunter and former bail bondsman. He came to
international notice as a bounty hunter for his successful capture
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of Max Factor Air Andrew Luster in Mexico in two
thousand three, and the following year was given his own series,
Dog the Bounty Hunter on A and E. After Dog
the Bounty Hunter ended, Chapman appeared in A Dog and
Beth on the Hunt, a similarly format a TV show,
alongside his wife and business partner, The Late Best Chapman.
On CMT his series Dogs Most Wanted debut on w
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G in America in late and most recently, he was
Armadillo on season seven of The Masked Singer Dog. Thank
you for coming on the podcast. Hello Dog, you look fabulous? Yeah,
and Dog, who are we wearing today? Oh kindness Francia,
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Uh alright, well, let's just hop right to it because
we and we know we've got a limited amount of
time with you, and we're so excited you're here today.
Thank you for having me. Oh, Dog is a pleasure. Okay,
So we know we want to get into the crime stuff,
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but we really got to talk about the masks singer. Okay,
thank you. Oh you were so great as the Armadilloh,
we just loved you. How do you feel after coming
out of the show. We know it was probably so
hard to sing in that costume, right, well, it's hard
to walk all your all your senses but smell are
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cut off. You cannot see. That's why the men in
black lead everyone, not just me. You got boots glued
into boots. It's my My costume was one of the
light ones. Was to two hundred thirty sub pounds. Wore
layers of clothing in case you fall. We are we
gonna talk about that four layers of clothing. It is
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a hundred and ten degrees in there. And then they're like,
here's the mic, and I'm like, well, am I gonna
pan of mine? Or you've got somebody humming in the background,
James Brown or something. Oh no, no, no, no, You're
gonna sing into that microphone, take a deep breath, and
it's on, Dog Eaton, Like what and of all the
times in your life when you thought someday, I'm gonna
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dress up as an armadillo and I'm just gonna sing
in front of an audience, he thought it would be
more glamorous than this. I bet yes. And every as
you mentioned armadillo, every we tried, because we've been guests before,
Dog Valley Enter, every clue, every shotka, every question was
a clue. The clue hunter was now the clue giver.
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Adello were armor like I do, bulletroo vest as they're young,
they're called a puppy. There were a lot of things.
The songs, you know, the questions Nick asked me, the
panel we tried to hint our way to Heaven. I mean,
it was it's a credible show, so you enjoy it
oh so much. Yes, it's one of the you know
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that's having fun my job, and usually my shows are
very dangerous. Well this was dangerous too, you could you know?
One guy said stop right now, you're gonna step off
the stage. So uh yeah, whoa, it was something And
it's just been a day since, you know, it happened,
So it's starting to sink in now, and you have
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no idea. You're like when the FBI get someone to
tell on a murder or something, you know how they
bring in in the mask and you from the gate
from the hotel route to the studio inside the studio,
gloves separate to your chin, mask on you. They have
no idea. I'm pretty good at the investigation. Behind the investigation.
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Even the valet guys wouldn't tell me. I mean, I
was trying to find out who am I competing with? You? Really,
you have no idea. Last night was the first time
that I saw who was there because I'm watching as
everyone else's, so it is a big deal. It's a
it's a secret agent man show. It's incredible. Were you
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surprised by some of the people. Oh, yes, I was surprised.
Do you mean that have been on? Oh yeah, I
wanted Shaka Khan was. I mean there's some pro singers there,
you know, and everyone had a great time. And I
heard him saying that, what a great time, And I
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didn't realize, you know, how great of a time it
really was. Is it bitter sweet to not realize it
until you're gone? No, it builds up as you go.
Each time you succeed and get by the next round,
I guess you call it. You get more confidence and
more encouragement from the staff, and you know, Francis there,
go baby, go show dog. You get out there. Though,
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you know, you're just like whoa? You feel like you're
always on the one yard line. I mean it's like, whoa,
what a rush? Do you think it's crazy? People thought
you were Rudy Giuliani? Oh did they? Oh? Did they?
Who's that? Just the internet? Oh who's Rudy? What's his
Name's a politician in New York? Not important, it's not important.
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So do you feel like you know you might know
who the last few people are? Oh? No, you hear him?
I mean yeah, they like, oh do you hear him?
They give me goose bumps. M Oh, I was like, oh, no, wonder,
I mean they are incredible. There are top singers in
America and in London on this show. I mean they
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can they she's saying that. Last night I was like, oh,
dear Lord, I mean, there there's some good I'm gonna
I can't wait to see who I bet it. There's
a tie, you think? So? Yes, I guarantee none of
them can hunt down a criminal like you, though, I
get to go back to that. Is everyone to be
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talking career change? Are you going back to that? No,
We're gonna stick with what I've done for forty some years,
and that's crab fighting and evolving. And yes, sir, good
do you think you'll be able to reuse the armadillo
costume trying to find someone just camouflage in the background.
I think of something. It's armadillo, also known as the dog.
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That would be amazing. I love. I love that dog
is intentional because it's God spelled backwards. Yes, years when
I was fourteen years old, I was named that and
I got since you bring him up, think you have Easter?
I got to sing a Christians song and you know,
I was so. I was in the spirit world system.
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I was there. I never went so stoned in my
life I was there. It was Oh. I was like,
oh my god, without a hangover. I was so let
me tell you, it was incredible. It was amazing, goose
bumps floating. I'm like, oh my god, mother, behold I suh.
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I was so happy. I was like, what a great thing.
And everybody could watch and you don't got to keep
the kids out right, you can't watch tight your head right.
I love. I love this side of you. You're like,
you know, you're you're so I mean, you've obviously got
a great personality, but you're so business when you're rightfully
so when you're hunting down criminals and people on the run,
isn't that But you were like, you know, you're like
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a kid on on Christmas morning here talking about this Diggs.
Want to know one brother, I can already tell you know.
It was something that I once I opened my mouth
and stuck in my pootos I sometimes do with not
using now with Francy, I said I'll do it. So
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I chose yes, right, So I knew that I was
obligating again, especially when you get out there and they
shoved you and say go, what do you do? Go?
I can't do it? No, you can't do that. So
it was it's really really a fun show. My celebrity friends,
I've got a few have been called me this morning,
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going dog, How do you get on the job? Do
I get a convention? Everybody's like whoa man? And I
don't say now stop. You gotta see you gotta be
able to perform. You gotta walk around this rim and
pound suit. This is a tough stuff. You're isolated you.
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They isolated us. Even the delivery guy couldn't see us.
It was like, you're not existent, you know what I mean.
It's really uh tight tight bit. Did you feel nervous
when you would go on stage? I just assumed someone
like you who's trying to hunt down convicted felons and
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murderers and all these terrible people. You're also just going
on stage in front of, you know, thousands of people,
singing in a costume. But did that make you more
nervous than going and finding criminals? Oh so much more?
When you're when I'm feeling my show, you can't tell
the guy I missed the shot? Can we tell you again?
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Because it's real? But you can you know, if you
stick your finger in your nose or something, or your
ear you can would you please cut that? You can't
do that right and because the lawyers, we can't cut much.
So this is no cutting. This is if you got it,
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flaw on it, if you don't get out. I mean
it was like, no, this is I would never do
this again. It was so uh, non customary to me
to dance around. I've got a lot of kids and
invited dance and say that'd be like they head, please stop.
So it was just incredible. So now that you're back
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to so you're going back to your regular career, right,
how do you how do you do? You? Have you
already picked? Like what are you off to now? Or
does something? Do they come to you or do you
just say you know? This seems similar to the Brian
laundry case where you were like people were like we
need dog and you were like dogs on it? Is
there something that you just like seeing You're like that
they need me on that? Or do they come to you?
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How does that work? I'm glad you're asking me. So
for about three years because Betson happened. Now this is
the third year and Francis former husband and having four
years we took off. I couldn't work. I had to
be right there all the time. Uh, we're back. We
grieved so hard. We're back. Okay, so we're right now.
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We're doing a show called Dog, the Bounty Hunter and
the Essentials, and that is for those are guys and
girls that have either retired like they the Fens retired
you in your early fifties. The Bible says you don't
get wisdom and knowledge till in the fifties and gaining
These guys are incredible. A couple of my kids are
in it. And we're going after people that pedophiles. We're
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going after wanted guys that killed girls. Remember we just
found two bodies. We got down there with Brian Laundry.
We brought all that media that case. Believe me, also,
as you know, is not over. But uh, we gotta
make a difference now. So we got I did. I'm
doing an n f T. I just joined the sand Box.
We're doing uh Simon and Schuster. We're doing a new
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book that uh this Dog has nine lives and still counting.
You know, things are happening out because we're back to work.
My Franchie is very spiritual and so am I, and
she's supervising me and I just it's just incredible. So
as long as I stay busy like that and things
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going on, you know, then I'm happy. Because I worked
hard on some of the mounties. You've got to go
twenty four thirty six hours without drugs and barely coffee.
You gotta, you know, So to work hard like that
and to get a good reward at the end of
that work is worth it. That's what I do it for.
And I used to box, right, and I didn't like
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hitting that much kind of but I didn't like to
get hit. But the cheer of the crowd and I
walked in and I got done. Yeah, dog done. Oh
that's what I love. I don't know what that's called,
but and the mass singer they were cheering me go,
dog you go. When you bring a fugitive and the
mother that's his mother or the grandma or the thank
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you dog, I live for that. I don't know. There
must be some kind of something about it, but I
just live for for that. Yeah, I relate to that.
I'm a stand up comedian and so anytime the audience
laughs or applaudse, I just feel like I've done a
service or I've done my job. And it feels so
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good to be of service to other people. I just
wanted to quickly go back to your n f T
because I'm super into the crypto web three space. Are
you doing a full collection? And when is it? When
do you plan to drop? Yes, they're dropping soon. And
I'm in the sad box too. This is amazing. Okay,
and there and they're your age. Is that impolite to
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say to you? With each generation biblically and we see
get smarter. So then you guys are incredible that some
of the stuff you're doing. So we're jumping in there
in Francis. It's great. We love it because you get
your message out and people have fun. You know, people
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can stand at the line and the bank and and
play it. We're doing a video game now where kind
of like Jimunji, where you push the button you see
what the things are, what the criminals weakness, sar is
you know how not to be a victim? You know,
park across street from a bank, don't park across the
street from you know, a different liquor store. I mean,
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there's so many things. Watch it when you pull up
to a when you got your little sticker for a
Handicap signed because that's the first car the criminals hit.
I mean there's a lot of things that will be
able to do with with the new the metaverse and
and the video game and f t S and all that. Well,
you know, Snoop Dogg loves Sandbox. I feel like you
(29:49):
two should do a collaboration, Snoop dog the bounty Hunter.
Listen ideas you have, uh, you have discernment, sister. We're
working on that right now. Why people with Snoop people?
We he wanted to go on a bounty with me
and we were going to do the celebrity right along
(30:10):
and Snoop said to me, I double dog Darren to run. Yeah,
you two on a show together. Is already an instant hit. Yes,
absolutely instant hit. Wow. I can't believe that I called this.
Rolling up to a crime scene in his his Laker mobile,
(30:31):
I could see that that's who you're getting out, like
Starsky and Hutch he's smoking a joint. Yeah, and you
imagine the guys, you know, doing something whatever like Stallone
lost his son. I mean there's a lot of things,
uh that that different celebrities. You put them in the
back seat, ride with the fugitive. You need to change
your life right now, you know, Charlie Sheen, I did
(30:53):
that stuff. Look where it lad snoop DOGG do it?
Or you've got a problem. I mean they're you know
that right there is very compelling and I like to
you know all, I like to do that. Well, going
back to something you said, by the way, because I
have been obsessed with the Gabby Petito Brian laundry case.
(31:14):
That's actually why we started this podcast, and so we
referenced you some point episodes one through three because we
were so excited that you got on the case. We
were like dogs going to solve this. You know, this
case had America by the heartstrings. We were all just
waiting every day for new information. So I don't know
(31:35):
what you can tell us, but I've never felt settled
about this case. Well, we're amazing to say that we
should have my people get with your people because we're
doing a dog cast. When La launching and we hooked
up together, I got footage in the Brian laundry hunt
that no one else has got. So and I started
(31:56):
out by saying, this is not what dog says, this
is what the camera says. Okay, So we well, I
know there's something there, but you know, there's so many
diff Now he's suicide. He was right handed, shot himself
to the left hand. There are so many things that
don't look good. So we're gonna, you know, put that
(32:18):
on one of the wedding and then that the Brian
laundry thing. How sad because you know, I lost a
daughter at the same age as Gabby were Francy and
I went to her honeymoon. I was a hundred miles away,
didn't even know it. Francis from Florida. So we went
back there to be in the beach. She's like, you
promised me the beach in the sand, not the swamp
and the gators. So I mean she she stopped the
(32:41):
honeymoon to go down there. It was god Land as
soon as we hit there. The media game things. You know,
I have a lot of fans, I love a lot
of people, and we needed that. We needed you know,
the brother here is His sister said, oh, I haven't
seen him, and Franzie and I ran a real simple
(33:02):
thing and found out that he'd been in the park.
It's his picture in the back of the truck when
they come in, and you know, a lot of those
things were never really developed because there's something going on there. Okay,
so uh yeah we're and that's the cases we're getting
into right now. Is those kind of and I've always
(33:23):
been big brother, you've better watching. Can't talk about about
the cops, but the truth, they are so busy. One
gets on the case with you on the phone, you
start brainstorming. He gets a call domestic violence. I'll be
back an hour, dog two hours. It takes. He's coming
a kid missing at school, He's got to go there.
They are so understaffed and so busy. Even when they
(33:46):
got enough staff that to do something that's already been there,
done that, they can't do it. So that's why it
takes citizens with criminal justice experts behind them and lawyers
and know what they're doing to help them out. Okay,
I don't care. Sometimes I have found the perp called
(34:07):
the competence that he's in the house guinea to let
them have the glory the ero walk. Right, I only
catch a bad guy and if I get to share
with the cop the glory the ero walk, I love
that because the and that's the thing, it's it's like
what you said is, yes, they're busy and they have
all this other stuff going on. That's why when people
(34:28):
were like stop whatever, you know, what do you how
do you feel about like TikTok people, they were like, oh,
stop with your theory, stop with it. I think the
more evidence that people can throw out there, and the
more theories that people can throw out there, have someone
that weeds through it. I'm not saying that that I
don't the cops don't look it and say, well, it's
gotta be this, Like they're all scatter brained, they know
what they're doing, but they're overwhelmed. So I think the
more people that can dig stuff up or throw theories
(34:50):
out there or you know, people are fantastic now on
TikTok and on the Internet where they can zoom in
on something. Granted that flowerbed thing probably nothing but fascinating. Well,
and it's you know, the fans don't have and I
don't know if this is a bad word, Internet sloops
don't does. And we got today last night we were
(35:11):
talking to Katie. We have fifty five hundred leads every
three days, another one every day, three leads come in
again about Brian laundry. We left that so the fans
can afford that they don't have someone to man the phone.
You call the FETs, try to leave a message. You know,
(35:32):
they don't have to give me. They're so security number.
We pay cash on delivery for the information. We don't
gotta call crime stoppers. You know. There's a lot of
things that we do that their hands are bound that
they can't do. They can't boot a door if they
know he's in there, we can't, you know. So there's
(35:52):
a lot of things that uh and now in again
forty some two or three years in the beginning, you know,
they were like my foe right which ones that fell
and out? They both are Now I'm brother Dog, and
that makes me feel good because I have proven to
them that I'm a good guy with a black cat,
(36:13):
you know what I mean. So it's it's incredible, and
this is why we are team Dog. Yeah, team Dog
for life. We love you. I mean, I wish we
had more time with you. I mean, I just I
guess I have one final question, is you know you've
seen and heard everything. I mean, if there's anyone on
(36:35):
the planet that has seen and heard it all to you,
has there been anything in your many seasons of successful
television and all of the hunts you had off camera.
Is there anything you've seen that is the wildest moment
that you felt that you actually witnessed. I didn't witness it,
but to arrest the guy that did a very bad
(36:57):
thing to a seven month old baby. Now, I don't
want to get to spiritual, but there's evil and then
there's demonic possession. You gotta be full of something, demons
I call it. You walk into king supers and open
up and see women and men dying and screaming for
(37:17):
God and their mother, and laugh and shoot again. Those
are the guys were going after. That's what I have
seen more than I ever have ever is you know,
you're very young, but you were probably around when the
first McDonald's shooting happened. That was the first one ever.
(37:38):
Now what is it? One a day in a shopping
center or something, you know what I mean? So the
demonic spread of evil and it's not us. The demonic
spread of evil is around. But and to be right
with God on the flip side of that, you normal,
(38:01):
non spiritual way, there's got to be a power of
God just as strong. And that's why I call it's
supernatural it's really there. I've seen a lot of that
where I haven't seen before. I've seen a lot of
pastors now and supernatural believers that getting these combinations from
God how to get things done. I've never you know, uh,
(38:25):
I've never seen that. It's incredible, what God, it's it's
I mean, you know, I don't want to sound like
a preacher, because I'm not. But we are truly living
in the last days. And but we can, you know,
we can triumph it. Just you know, we got to
keep COVID all this stuff. Oh dear Lord, imagine we
were a Urico dog. We love you. You're incredible. Thank
(38:50):
you for doing the Lord's work. You We we need
more people like you. And if you ever want a
uny Jewish woman to come along for a right along,
please invite me. I'm dying to come. Thank you. Yeah,
I enjoy your enjoy your Armadillo moments in life. But
don't stop doing what you're doing because it's it's impressive
(39:13):
and needed. And listen after Armadillo and the best here.
You know, forty years bro, I've arrest in eight thousand,
I've probably bragged the number one crime guy in America
out of solvement. How to stop it? Yeah, educate, don't
and Carson rat. I mean, there's so many things that
I've seen work and things that I haven't. Please remember
(39:34):
my my people and call me if you need me.
I'll be right there. Be careful what you wish for. Yeah,
I will, and I will be purchasing your n f
T and looking out for you in sandbox. Thank you, Helloa,
thank you, God bless thank you, thank you. I feel
like I need like go to a spot that was wild,
(40:00):
that was so are you guys not shook? Yeah, a
little bit, it was. It's quite a roller coaster, quite
an event. I mean, I'm I'm very interested to hear
what he knows about Brian laundry that we don't know.
I know he did he I saw your eyes light
up when he said that's not over and and he
could just mean that there's the suing going on, but
(40:21):
I feel like and he said, we have stuff footage
that people don't have of you. He knows something and
I'll be interested to hear what it is. And he
said that they keep getting tips every day. I mean,
I really do think that people are, you know, not
over the fact that he might have run away or
he's he's not really dead or and you know that
used to be my theory, but obviously I'm over that one.
(40:43):
But I do think when he said, you know he
can he was right handed and he was shot in
the left temple. I I think about that constantly. I'm like,
who killed Brian Laundry? Was it one of the parents?
Was a like a assistant suicide? Was it? You know?
I think that there's so many aspects and play that
we really just don't have enough information about. Agreed, And
(41:05):
I think it's so difficult to shoot a gun that
to do that with your non dominant hand and have
it be without a reaction, have it be where you
needed to be. There's Yeah, it seems interesting. It's a
little suspect. So this guy that I was dating, it's
a weird go on. I'm here. Maybe he loves guns.
(41:25):
He's like, I'll come with you to go get one.
You know, there's a cooling off period after you try
to get a gun, or they make you wait ten
days before you can go back and get it. I
don't know if you know that the same thing with
dating for you, and yeah, wait ten days and then
I always go back I know that don't learn anything,
so and he was trying to show me how to
put a bullet into the gun, to load the gun,
(41:48):
and it was physically so difficult to actually put the
bullets into the gun. I mean, there's everything having to
do with guns. I think people don't realize how complicated
they are and how difficult it is. So then to
do everything with your non dominant hand right is very confusing.
In my opinion. That's the problem is that guns are
(42:11):
so difficult to operate this and yet somehow these so
many morons and ship heads find a way to get
them and operate them. And welcome back to real time crime.
(42:34):
You just heard us with Dog, And then of course
Dmitri and I had to give our two cents about
guns and brand laundry because that's who we are inside.
And I think it's time for us to talk about
our main case of the day. Demitri A you ready,
I'm ready. I mean, it's gonna be tough, pretty tough
to dissect this thing without Dog. But now I feel
(42:54):
like I wish you seen another level. I mean, no offense,
I do wish we got his opinion on literally everything
from today and all ways in every episode. I wish
he was on the podcast. He wouldn't be sometimes dog,
he would be all the time. Dog. Yeah. I don't
think i'd get to speak, and I'd be okay with that.
Do you love how much he called me young constantly?
(43:16):
I know you did. I don't know what clips will
be on social media, but if there's a clip of
you smiling when he calls you young, I think people
will get it. Because I was like, here, we get
he said it a couple of times. It's like, Okay,
come on, dog, You're really going to hurt us in
the long run. She doesn't. I know that when people
look at me, they think I'm eighteen, but I'm actually
twenty two. M okay. So I just want to say
(43:39):
trigger warning suicide. I mean, honestly, this whole episode is
a trigger warning. But this case, specifically, it's the death
of Conrad Roy. I'm sure you've been hearing about it
because there are multiple TV shows about it now. There's
ABC and Who Lose the Girl for Plainville, and they're
(44:01):
both about the same case. So Conrad Henry Roy the
third was an American teenager who died by suicide at
the age of eighteen and fourteen, his girlfriend, then seventeen
year old Michelle Carter, encouraged him in text messages to
kill himself. The case was the subject of a notable
investigation and involuntary manslaughter trial in Massachusetts, colloquial known as
(44:22):
the texting suicide case. Michelle Carter made headlines in fifteen
when a mass Chusets judge ruled that her words through
texting and phone calls coerced eighteen year old Roy into
dying by suicide. She was sentenced to fifteen months in prison,
which she sure served from February twenty nineteen to January
twenty She got released three months early due to good conduct,
(44:45):
so Michelle Carter twenty five has been seen for the
first time since being released from jail January. Her story
has been dramatized in the Hulu series The Girl from
Plain Bill with l Fanning playing Carter, Colton Ryan playing
Conrad Roy, and Chloe seven A how do you say
your last name? Is that? How you say it? I thought,
(45:08):
A seven, I think that's very fancy. This is We're
going to get the bomb of this crime playing Lennroy,
Conrad's mother. In addition to the Girl From playing Bill,
Carter and Roy story has also been covered inbo documentary
I Love You Now Die The Commonwealth Verse Michelle Carter,
woof Last week ABC revisited the texting suicide trial. So
(45:33):
I'm sure a lot of people have already heard about
this case. And this boy was very beloved. He was
an all around good kids, smart, family oriented, surrounded by friends.
Was even mentioned how he got his captain license to
go out on their family boat with his dad and grandfather.
(45:53):
He never wanted to failed anything, but apart from having
a seemingly good life, he appeared and he had a
battle with his mental health, and he had attempted suicide before.
He did have issues, and he got help for it
and he came out the other side. And when they
found out that he took his own life, they didn't
(46:14):
believe it's because he wanted to die, but rather it
was a cry for help. And this is such a
tragic story. I think. I think some people think that
she should be a free woman Michelle um and and
some people say they were surprised she even got eleven months,
which is crazy to me. I think emotionally, you want
(46:36):
her because it was decided and with your own eyes
and ears, it seems like she certainly didn't play the
role that he needed in this right she put and
part of it was, didn't they say that she she
wanted the attention of being like the grieving girlfriend that
was kind of allegedly what what kind of what she
was doing is for for attention and stuff like that. Clearly,
(46:58):
if he's battling with mental mental health and and he
had kind of been righting himself and trying to deal
with it and she comes in and not the person
he needed in his life. Um, but yeah, you could
see that. I guess in one way, it is lucky
that she did any time at all because she didn't
commit the crime, But so there was a lot of
gray area in there. So I think that's the big question.
(47:19):
Was Michelle in any way responsible for Conrad taking his
own life? Because I guess at the end of the day,
it was still his decision, is what people are saying.
And online bullying is so prevalent now. I'm just grateful
I didn't grow up with you know, Instagram when I
was in middle school, because I probably would have lost
(47:41):
my mind over all the online bullying and the fake
accounts and people can say anything, but when you read
the chain of transmission between them and their texts. She's
she's saying do it, do it, or do it or
I'll get you help. It's like, just get him help.
Why are you She's like, oh baby, you can't live
(48:02):
like this? Oh what? Yeah, that's that's not the words
of someone that that truly cares about somebody that's going
through some problem. Maybe she would claim that she was
trying to, like, you know, give him an ultimating, but
that's not that's not the the area that you play
around with that. No, she even said last night, was it.
You keep pushing it off and you say you'll do it,
(48:23):
but you never do. It's always going to be that
way if you don't take action, you're just gonna make
it harder on yourself by pushing it off. You just
have to do it. Do you want to do it now? Yeah?
Like and and these are I mean, it goes on
and on and on and on, and you can read.
I suggest that you look it up and make a
decision for yourself how you feel whether you think that
(48:46):
she's responsible, partially responsible, fully responsible, I mean the text
or bizarre. She's like, I love you, Are you gonna
do it now, like what, It's so bizarre because clearly
not the words of someone that truly loves, that loves
him and is concerned about him. So well, like I said,
it's it's it's a shame, it's terrible all around. But
the fact that he needed help and this is someone
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that was close to him, that he thought probably did
love him or did care about him, and these are
the words that he's getting them from the most from
and you know, his family as a as a father, myself,
like his family afterward, knowing that someone was doing this
to him, probably I don't know what the relationship was
with her and the family, but they probably thought, oh,
it's his girlfriend. She's there, she's another level of support.
(49:29):
I don't know anything about the family or that connection,
but to look back on that now has got to
be just like it was right there in front of you.
That's why people say, do you look at your kids
stuff and you know, you know, read their text or
And granted he's eighteen, so it's a different it was
a bit of a different story. But it's so interesting
when you said that, it triggered me because I remember
(49:50):
thinking I had no privacy as a kid, and I
was such a good kid, and my mom was looking
or I felt like I was looking for problems, or
maybe it was her way of getting closer to me,
or but there was never any reason for concern mhm.
And that still is something that I constantly feel frustrated by,
(50:11):
where I'm like, do I have my privacy? Is anyone
looking through my stuff? But it's then you go into
situations like this where I'm sure if his parents saw
these text messages, they would have taken him and gone
him help immediately, you know. And you can see in
the text messages he's talking about how you know, he's
out with his family getting ice cream, or he's out
(50:31):
he's doing something with his family, and she's like, well,
you got to do it when you're done, and you know,
he's like, I don't, I don't know. I'm getting nervous
because I just I don't know what's going to happen
to my family, Like he loved his family, and she's like,
I told you, I'll take care of them. It'll be fine.
I mean, the the amount of evil that you have
(50:52):
to have to to even whatever whatever reason, alleged reason,
whatever reason she was doing it for, there's no there's
no excuse for it. It's it's not when you know
someone struggling, that's not the approach you take. And I
do believe, and I remember hearing that. I do believe
it was more about attention. Oh, she's going to play
the role of the grieving girlfriend, clearly not loving herself more,
(51:14):
clearly loving herself more than him or anything else. I mean. Also,
it's like, Okay, I believe she was a factor in
his death, you know, because there was no if you
break up with me, I'll kill myself. Because it sounds
(51:34):
like she wanted him to kill himself so she didn't
want to be with him. She could have just broken
up with him, you know, there's like and then the
blame would have been on her. Then she wouldn't have
been able to play that role she wanted to play either.
Did she just think no one was going to see
the messages? He even says like did you delete these?
Like they're talking about deleting the messages? You know. It's
like it's just so upsetting. And I mean, do you
(51:55):
think that when a case like this gets made into
a TV show that it glorifies it or does it
bring it awareness or both? I think as long as
things are done a certain way, I don't think. I'm
not as alarmed by glorifying stuff. I think, obviously you
can glorify something and make it look like especially for
younger minds and and uh and influencing people. But I'm
(52:17):
I think it's better to be aware. But that's why
I'll read things. I'll read news stories that I don't
want to read, but I read them because you can
take something from them, and you can learn something. The
more you are aware you are of things, the more
you can be, the more you can prevent them. Right,
So stuff like you said about privacy, you were a
good kid, you didn't really do anything. But you know what,
sometimes kids, especially getting this moment and they think, oh,
(52:37):
this is this is this is only happening to me
and this is only my life, and things get so
put under a microscope and they don't realize that a
lot of people go through bullying a lot and there's
people out there that go through the same things and people.
So I think support groups and knowing stuff is an
easier way to help people. So I'm not concerned with
the TV shows, and I assume that they're not taking
(52:58):
a glorifying stance to it. No. I mean the other
thing about television shows is it does bring more awareness
to it in my opinion, you know, and then it
helps other people in the future. That's That's what a
lot of entertainment is is bringing awareness so that people
feel like, oh, that happened to someone else. Well, now
(53:19):
I don't feel so alone, or this isn't so uncommon,
or this is the way, or this is something I
should be looking out for. There are a multitude of
ways that it's actually extremely beneficial. And you know, I
mean they did it with the Anadelte case, they did
it with a tender swindler. It's like, if you don't
put that information out there, of course, the tender swindlers now,
you know, like signed with a SiGe and or whatever.
(53:41):
That's different, of course. But now people are aware that
this sort of thing can happen and they should be
on the lookout, you know. And it's like if a
if a guy started asking me for twenty dollars or
open credit, I would be like, m you have seen
this before and it's going to be a no for me. Dog,
But not I would never say no. Dog. The bounty
hunter obviously obviously thousand times yes to him that how
(54:04):
many times can I say yes? You know? And wow,
this has been a wild episode today. Yeah, but there's
a lot of and to be honest, it's funny. I
almost feel bad putting that thing in here because you
look at all these other things and you're like, get
your ask back out there and deliver the mail or
figure it out post office. You don't stop delivering mail
(54:25):
because of one thing that irritated me, Like all this
other ship going on, it's like whoa, someone swung a broomstick.
Figure it out. You don't just stop doing what you're doing.
Imagine if dog was like, WHOA, this is dangerous, I'm
not going to do go do this, he said, He's
what arrested like eight thousand people or help bring them in. Yeah,
the littlest hardship. It's like, I'm sorry that there was
one witch in Santa Monica who needed to take off
(54:47):
to get to their next destination and you were in
the way. Get over it, right, Get over it anyway,
you guys. If you've been listening to the podcast and
you love us, make sure to leave us a review
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and also send us a d M. Let us know
(55:07):
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you'd like us to look into. Let me know if
you think that Michelle Carter was involved or not involved
in the death of Conrad Roy and you know that,
you can leave us a voicemail. You know you can
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(55:30):
things like, oh, hey, did you check out the black Dahlia?
Of course you know I did, but you know, give
me a case I haven't heard of. Or you could say, hey, listen,
I know a case personally, what do you think about this?
Or a tip hotline, you know, whatever you want phill
us in. Just don't ask me on a date. I'm
just I'm not I'm not ready, okay, But you could
(55:51):
leave a voicemail asking her our day too. We'll play
it and have a little fun. Not fun, you're expensive,
but just fun. Expensive at eight six crime that's eight
six six twent anyone come eight six six to anyone time?
That's eight six six two and two seven four six three?
Hi Leo, will you go out with me? Oh? Dear lord,
it'll make you so uncomfortable. Leave those messages will be
(56:12):
so happy. I'll be like, yeah, someone loves me. Okay,
that's very sad. That's so sad, Dmitri. We can't do
podcast this early again, all right. You can find me
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and show dates at Leo Lamar dot com and my
(56:34):
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(56:58):
are in the world, and don't commit any crimes. Be
you next time. I love your bye. It's real time ground.
It's real time ground. I mean, is it actually real
time crime or I'm solving anything or is that just
the thing we say? It's a thing we say, got it? Okay,
see you next week for more real time crime only
(57:21):
on I Horror Radio.
Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of
Real Time Crime. I'm your host Leo Lamar, and I
have with me my favorite sometimes Dmitri Dmitri. That started
(00:23):
off as like a roller coaster. It was like I
could feel it was ticking up and I was like,
this is gonna be such a nice introduction, and then
it flatlined. Well, the thing is that the second I
said my favorite, I knew you were just going to
have our remark about that, and I just wasn't prepared
for it. No, to be honest, that I was going
to let that go because it's like you know, when
a cat comes near you, you you don't want to scare
it off because it won't come back. So when you
called me favorite, I wasn't going to mention it because
(00:45):
I was like, she won't do it again if I
make a big deal out of it. And here we are.
This is like when I never told my sister, I
know I'm the favorite because you just make a huge
deal about it, you know, right, I didn't know you
had a sister. Well, like I said, anyway, moving on,
so we'll be talking about a lot of in Doble.
Uh let me rephrase that incredibly insane stories today. The
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first hot topic we'll be talking about is a home
invasion suspect busted after leaving school assignment in car. The
next is USPS stopping delivering to a specific neighborhood in
California after repeated attacks, and then an Only Fans star
killing her boyfriend allegedly, and then the death of Conrad Roy.
(01:29):
I'm sure you guys have heard about this case. It
is about the texting suicide case. And lastly, we have
a very special guest with us today, Dog the Bounty
Hunters found us even I'm very excited about this, especially
because I'm not sure if you guys remember this, but
(01:49):
I will tell this dog when he gets here. When
we started the podcast, it was all about Gabby Petito
and Brian Laundry, and Dog was a huge part of that.
Dog We brought Dog in and by we, I mean America.
He was called in um to come and try to
track down Brian and so we talked about him early, early,
(02:09):
and like the maybe the first two or three episodes
of this podcast. So I'm excited to see what he's
up to. Now we all know that he did just
get kicked off the Math Singer, So we're gonna be
really gentle. Yeah, that's that. That'll that'll rattle anybody. I
mean truly. I loved his costume, the armadillo so cool. Yeah.
But but when when we talked about Dog early on,
(02:30):
when he said about the Gabby Petito stuff that was
he was like to me, he was like somebody. I
knew he was real, but I never thought, Hey, Dog's
gonna join us one day and today's that day. Today's
that day. Look at us, baby, look at us. Now
we made it all right. So let's jump into our
hot topics today. First of all, we've got a home
invasion suspect busted after leaving school assignment in car. It
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just reads like an onion article. A teenager wanted over
a deadly Las Vegas home invasion was busted after leaving
his homework in the getaway car. Math homework featuring Camari
Oliver's name was found in the backpack inside the car
in March after the suspects crashed into a while outside
the victim's home and fled on foot. Inside the backpack
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was a school chromebook along with a notebook of schoolwork,
specifically math work, and in the top right corner of
the schoolwork, the name Camari Oliver and fifth period were written.
Cops arrested the eighteen year old at Las Vegas Valley
High School last week after realizing he had an unexplained
absence for the last two periods on the day of
the deadly home invasion. Okay, so, Dmitri, do we think
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it was actually him? Do we think it was just
a coincidence that his backpack was in the car? I mean,
the first first thing is first is it's so stupid
that it makes you think someone had to have taken
that to frame them. But it doesn't. I mean, it
doesn't seem like that. It seems like it's just a
stupid move. He didn't even say my backpack I've stolen,
so that eliminates the framing part. That's number one. Number two,
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so he doesn't have any prior criminal history, and I'm
wondering if they're going to try him as an adult
or a juvenile. But the thing is that they're saying,
will he get away with it? He he allegedly or
someone in his crew murdered a twenty four year old woman, Right,
so someone needs to go to jail. Right, You don't
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get to just murder, someone burglarized them and then walk
away scott free. You're eighteen years old. Sounds like you're
you're not being tried as a juvenile in my opinion,
I agree. And it's bizarre though, because like the guy
had his home, like clearly he's not just like I mean,
he had his homework, he had it written on top,
and he had it with him, so clearly he must
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do homework and stuff like that. So it's a little
bit of a cross as to what type of character
this guy really is. Did he get caught up in something.
Is it back to the future too, when they came
and they were like Marty Jr. Come do this thing
with us, and he just did it and it ruined
the rest of his life or I don't know, Like
I'm curious to see how what I'm saying. So he's
been charge with murder, robbery, burglary, and kidnapping. And in
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addition to the backpop backpack cops that they found five
thousand dollars in the getaway car. So I don't know
whether he just got wrangled into going with his friends
or you know, in the car also crashed. That's how
they caught him. Well, and then got the backpack as well.
But they're saying that his attorney is saying that the
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team wasn't involved in the murder, and the evidence is
going to show that he never went inside the house,
so he still knew what was going on even if
he never went into the house. And the girl's boyfriend
was known for selling high end jewelry on Instagram, so
I'm assuming that they thought that they would find a
lot of jewelry. They didn't mean to kill anyone, and
(05:45):
then there was some sort of gunfire, and now we
are where we are, and and lives are changed forever
and and unfortunately ended as well, I think, you know,
and not that hopefully no one that's listening is thinking
about doing a crime. But it's like, this is what
you really got to think through what you're doing. Oh listen,
let's skip two periods. We'll go get some some jewelry
(06:06):
from this house. We'll have some money. Ship. You don't
just don't know how things are going to play out.
And yeah, I also like that. It's like, oh, but
it was his first murder, so does he have to
go to jail. It's like, yeah, you go, you go
to jail in the first murder. I don't care if
it's the only murder you know, This wasn't It's like
you didn't even really know these people, did you? You
just not that that makes it better. It makes it
(06:30):
worse in my opinion. Actually, actually now it's all bad.
It's all really bad. I think he's a I think
I hope they find the rest of the guys. I
wonder if what will happen is they end up getting
him to say the rest of the names and then
giving him a lesser jail sentence. I mean, I usually
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what they what they do, and so I don't see
what you're eighteen years old? I mean, what's the point
you're gonna you canna hold on to those names? No,
you're gonna cough him up because as you want, especially
if you hire life in jail, especially if you're your
thing is that, oh, he didn't know what was happening,
He never went into the place. If you really think
you're that innocent, then cough up those names. Yep? Who
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are you? Who are you? Who are you laying down for? Then?
All right, Dmitri, I agree, let's move on to our
next hot topic. Speaking of who are you laying down for?
The USPS has laid down there delivery of the mail
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and is stopping service to a certain neighborhood in Santa
Monica because of repeated tax on mail carrier since January.
The first incident happened on January nine, when a resident
living near the intersection of fourteen and Arizona Avenue allegedly
swung a broomstick at one carrier delivering mail in the
early evening hours. The carrier was not injured in the
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tech apparently, and then months later, residents recently received notices
from the USPS informing them that the reservice has hereby
been suspended to all addresses located in the block of
fourteen Street. The notice explained that multiple carriers have been
subjected to assault and threats of assault from an individual
who has not been located or apprehended. Is this a
(08:14):
little drastic, It's it's drastic, it's dramatic. I mean, what
do you do? Right, You're walking to school right as
a kid? A bully picks on you. What do you
do you find someone to go with you? The first
thing that you find a broomstick and swinging at swinging
at him? Right, No, but they should be sending an
armed police officer on the route, Like, you don't just
(08:35):
stop delivering to everybody because someone's swinging a broomstick. Also,
I'm just like, did you that person's wife? Mean no, oh,
you mean got it? Oh because the stopping by the
house all the time. Sure, yeah, exactly. We don't know
what's happening there. You know, maybe maybe you would want
(08:56):
to swing the broomstick. You know, maybe this has nothing
to do with someone not wanting their mail. I mean, like,
why are we swinging the broomstick? That's the first question
we gotta ask. And by the way, it's there's people everywhere,
like a little office stuff. That's not a terrible neighborhood
fourteen in Arizona and Santa Monica. No, it seems too random.
It's like, oh, you should stop serving mail in Venice
where there are people just out in the streets going crazy.
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They're talking about a legitimate resident who has an issue,
so clearly they know which house it is. Right, change
up the routes, give somebody else that route. If it's
a personal thing, right, just send an officer, like you
don't just stop. That's your job. Your job is to
deliver the mail. And I'm talking about the whole USPS.
So you don't just be like, hey, guys, listen, it
(09:38):
was crazy windy, so we're not in that in that alley,
so we're not going to deliver it there anymore. It's like,
you can't just come up with something that to me,
this Obviously I don't want the person to get hurt
or anything, but this is a little benign. We haven't
been able to identify them. Then identify them, right, yeah,
I mean their job is to deliver promotional materials. Will
(09:58):
never open and my tax turns and that's it, which
I mean someone else will. I won't. But you know,
all right, let's move on to this next case that
this is absolutely insane and only van star Corney Taylor
confronted at a hotel bar over killing her boyfriend. I
(10:20):
just want to say, if you have not watched the
TMZ footage, there are two different videos, one of her
getting a confronted at this hotel bar, which is confirmed
her by the way, she's with her dad and this
other woman is filming her and saying, yeah, you should
go because you just killed your boyfriend. Yeah you did.
(10:42):
It's so wild. And then the other footage is very shocking,
and she's wearing a tankini braw let and white pants
and she's soaked in blood, sitting on the floor and handcuffs.
I'm actually this feels a little Logan Polly to me,
where I'm just like, why are we posting this on
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the internet? But then I guess, you know, we see
crazy stuff on the news all the time, all right.
So Courtney Clenny, she is years old and she's known
on social media as Courtney Taylor, was taken to a
mental institution after Christian Opum Sally was stabbed to death.
That's allegedly her boyfriend, the cops said. A video has
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now emerged on Instagram showing someone filming a blonde woman
in the barb of Miami's Grand Beach Hotel Friday night.
As I told you, she was with her dad and
they get up and leave after this altercation. The investigation
into the death is ongoing and she hasn't been arrested
or charged with a crime. The new footage comes days
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just after Clenny was pictured handcuffed and drenched and blood
moments after he was stabbed to death. Like I said,
the footage is on TMC and she's wearing bag basically
like a crop top, white pants covered in blood. Her
arm appears to be held back, like she's being handcuffed,
and this is I'm just this is I'm baffled by
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human beings. Yeah, well, a lot of questions. So was
she handcuffed? Was that like the police had arrived at
the scene and she was handcuffed and being detained because
she was freaking out? I mean did she and how
did this person like for this person to approach and
be like, yeah, you should go. You just it all
seems a little right, like why hasn't she been charged yet? Right?
Do you think, well, she'll end up getting charged. Do
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you think they'll just send her to the mental institutions?
Say it was insanity. I mean the other thing is
when you read reports about this, apparently they had violent
interactions in the past. Some people were even saying, you
know that he was trying to take her into some
sort of like human trafficking ring. I mean, it's very confusing.
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I think that there's always two sides to every story.
I wish we were talking about Johnny deppany and for
her today speaking of two sides to every story, where
you just don't really know who to believe. But in
a situation like this, it's clear that there were previous arguments,
previous fights, previous violence which was agreed upon by their friends,
And I just I think no, I just think it's
(13:20):
clear that she took matters into her own hands killed
him and allegedly and whether or not this was a
moment of temporary insanity or she was she was defending herself.
Some people are saying it's self defense. We won't know
until we get more details. There's a lot that can
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be read into behavior after an event. That's why I
had a problem with Will Smith dancing at his at
his party, at the Oscar party, in the post Oscar party.
But this thing if whether you did this or not,
he was indeed he wasn't fact your boyfriend, right? Why
is the is she with her dad in like a
hotel bar, like just fucking laylow for a little while,
Whether you did it or not, I don't get. I
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don't get the whatever it is in their brains that says, okay,
it's okay for me to go on and just do
life normally. Like there's a disconnect there, And to me,
that's the scariest thing. I completely agree, you know, what
we are gonna go to a quick break because our
guest has arrived and we got to bring him in.
(14:22):
I'm so excited. Don't touch that dial. We'll be right back. Friends,
don't commit a crime while we're waiting for Dog in
the zoom lobby. I was trying to find a rhyming word,
just didn't come O k brbeah and we're back, you guys,
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I am so excited to introduce our guests for today.
It is an honor that he's here. Duane Lee Chapman,
also known his Dog the Bounty Hunter. You guys, you
already know him and love him. He's an American television personality,
a bounty hunter and former bail bondsman. He came to
international notice as a bounty hunter for his successful capture
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of Max Factor Air Andrew Luster in Mexico in two
thousand three, and the following year was given his own series,
Dog the Bounty Hunter on A and E. After Dog
the Bounty Hunter ended, Chapman appeared in A Dog and
Beth on the Hunt, a similarly format a TV show,
alongside his wife and business partner, The Late Best Chapman.
On CMT his series Dogs Most Wanted debut on w
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G in America in late and most recently, he was
Armadillo on season seven of The Masked Singer Dog. Thank
you for coming on the podcast. Hello Dog, you look fabulous? Yeah,
and Dog, who are we wearing today? Oh kindness Francia,
(16:00):
Uh alright, well, let's just hop right to it because
we and we know we've got a limited amount of
time with you, and we're so excited you're here today.
Thank you for having me. Oh, Dog is a pleasure. Okay,
So we know we want to get into the crime stuff,
(16:21):
but we really got to talk about the masks singer. Okay,
thank you. Oh you were so great as the Armadilloh,
we just loved you. How do you feel after coming
out of the show. We know it was probably so
hard to sing in that costume, right, well, it's hard
to walk all your all your senses but smell are
(16:44):
cut off. You cannot see. That's why the men in
black lead everyone, not just me. You got boots glued
into boots. It's my My costume was one of the
light ones. Was to two hundred thirty sub pounds. Wore
layers of clothing in case you fall. We are we
gonna talk about that four layers of clothing. It is
(17:07):
a hundred and ten degrees in there. And then they're like,
here's the mic, and I'm like, well, am I gonna
pan of mine? Or you've got somebody humming in the background,
James Brown or something. Oh no, no, no, no, You're
gonna sing into that microphone, take a deep breath, and
it's on, Dog Eaton, Like what and of all the
times in your life when you thought someday, I'm gonna
(17:28):
dress up as an armadillo and I'm just gonna sing
in front of an audience, he thought it would be
more glamorous than this. I bet yes. And every as
you mentioned armadillo, every we tried, because we've been guests before,
Dog Valley Enter, every clue, every shotka, every question was
a clue. The clue hunter was now the clue giver.
(17:52):
Adello were armor like I do, bulletroo vest as they're young,
they're called a puppy. There were a lot of things.
The songs, you know, the questions Nick asked me, the
panel we tried to hint our way to Heaven. I mean,
it was it's a credible show, so you enjoy it
oh so much. Yes, it's one of the you know
(18:15):
that's having fun my job, and usually my shows are
very dangerous. Well this was dangerous too, you could you know?
One guy said stop right now, you're gonna step off
the stage. So uh yeah, whoa, it was something And
it's just been a day since, you know, it happened,
So it's starting to sink in now, and you have
(18:38):
no idea. You're like when the FBI get someone to
tell on a murder or something, you know how they
bring in in the mask and you from the gate
from the hotel route to the studio inside the studio,
gloves separate to your chin, mask on you. They have
no idea. I'm pretty good at the investigation. Behind the investigation.
(19:02):
Even the valet guys wouldn't tell me. I mean, I
was trying to find out who am I competing with? You? Really,
you have no idea. Last night was the first time
that I saw who was there because I'm watching as
everyone else's, so it is a big deal. It's a
it's a secret agent man show. It's incredible. Were you
(19:25):
surprised by some of the people. Oh, yes, I was surprised.
Do you mean that have been on? Oh yeah, I
wanted Shaka Khan was. I mean there's some pro singers there,
you know, and everyone had a great time. And I
heard him saying that, what a great time, And I
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didn't realize, you know, how great of a time it
really was. Is it bitter sweet to not realize it
until you're gone? No, it builds up as you go.
Each time you succeed and get by the next round,
I guess you call it. You get more confidence and
more encouragement from the staff, and you know, Francis there,
go baby, go show dog. You get out there. Though,
(20:08):
you know, you're just like whoa? You feel like you're
always on the one yard line. I mean it's like, whoa,
what a rush? Do you think it's crazy? People thought
you were Rudy Giuliani? Oh did they? Oh? Did they?
Who's that? Just the internet? Oh who's Rudy? What's his
Name's a politician in New York? Not important, it's not important.
(20:35):
So do you feel like you know you might know
who the last few people are? Oh? No, you hear him?
I mean yeah, they like, oh do you hear him?
They give me goose bumps. M Oh, I was like, oh, no, wonder,
I mean they are incredible. There are top singers in
America and in London on this show. I mean they
(20:56):
can they she's saying that. Last night I was like, oh,
dear Lord, I mean, there there's some good I'm gonna
I can't wait to see who I bet it. There's
a tie, you think? So? Yes, I guarantee none of
them can hunt down a criminal like you, though, I
get to go back to that. Is everyone to be
(21:18):
talking career change? Are you going back to that? No,
We're gonna stick with what I've done for forty some years,
and that's crab fighting and evolving. And yes, sir, good
do you think you'll be able to reuse the armadillo
costume trying to find someone just camouflage in the background.
I think of something. It's armadillo, also known as the dog.
(21:47):
That would be amazing. I love. I love that dog
is intentional because it's God spelled backwards. Yes, years when
I was fourteen years old, I was named that and
I got since you bring him up, think you have Easter?
I got to sing a Christians song and you know,
I was so. I was in the spirit world system.
(22:08):
I was there. I never went so stoned in my
life I was there. It was Oh. I was like,
oh my god, without a hangover. I was so let
me tell you, it was incredible. It was amazing, goose
bumps floating. I'm like, oh my god, mother, behold I suh.
(22:28):
I was so happy. I was like, what a great thing.
And everybody could watch and you don't got to keep
the kids out right, you can't watch tight your head right.
I love. I love this side of you. You're like,
you know, you're you're so I mean, you've obviously got
a great personality, but you're so business when you're rightfully
so when you're hunting down criminals and people on the run,
isn't that But you were like, you know, you're like
(22:49):
a kid on on Christmas morning here talking about this Diggs.
Want to know one brother, I can already tell you know.
It was something that I once I opened my mouth
and stuck in my pootos I sometimes do with not
using now with Francy, I said I'll do it. So
(23:12):
I chose yes, right, So I knew that I was
obligating again, especially when you get out there and they
shoved you and say go, what do you do? Go?
I can't do it? No, you can't do that. So
it was it's really really a fun show. My celebrity friends,
I've got a few have been called me this morning,
(23:33):
going dog, How do you get on the job? Do
I get a convention? Everybody's like whoa man? And I
don't say now stop. You gotta see you gotta be
able to perform. You gotta walk around this rim and
pound suit. This is a tough stuff. You're isolated you.
(23:55):
They isolated us. Even the delivery guy couldn't see us.
It was like, you're not existent, you know what I mean.
It's really uh tight tight bit. Did you feel nervous
when you would go on stage? I just assumed someone
like you who's trying to hunt down convicted felons and
(24:17):
murderers and all these terrible people. You're also just going
on stage in front of, you know, thousands of people,
singing in a costume. But did that make you more
nervous than going and finding criminals? Oh so much more?
When you're when I'm feeling my show, you can't tell
the guy I missed the shot? Can we tell you again?
(24:40):
Because it's real? But you can you know, if you
stick your finger in your nose or something, or your
ear you can would you please cut that? You can't
do that right and because the lawyers, we can't cut much.
So this is no cutting. This is if you got it,
(25:01):
flaw on it, if you don't get out. I mean
it was like, no, this is I would never do
this again. It was so uh, non customary to me
to dance around. I've got a lot of kids and
invited dance and say that'd be like they head, please stop.
So it was just incredible. So now that you're back
(25:25):
to so you're going back to your regular career, right,
how do you how do you do? You? Have you
already picked? Like what are you off to now? Or
does something? Do they come to you or do you
just say you know? This seems similar to the Brian
laundry case where you were like people were like we
need dog and you were like dogs on it? Is
there something that you just like seeing You're like that
they need me on that? Or do they come to you?
(25:47):
How does that work? I'm glad you're asking me. So
for about three years because Betson happened. Now this is
the third year and Francis former husband and having four
years we took off. I couldn't work. I had to
be right there all the time. Uh, we're back. We
grieved so hard. We're back. Okay, so we're right now.
(26:10):
We're doing a show called Dog, the Bounty Hunter and
the Essentials, and that is for those are guys and
girls that have either retired like they the Fens retired
you in your early fifties. The Bible says you don't
get wisdom and knowledge till in the fifties and gaining
These guys are incredible. A couple of my kids are
in it. And we're going after people that pedophiles. We're
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going after wanted guys that killed girls. Remember we just
found two bodies. We got down there with Brian Laundry.
We brought all that media that case. Believe me, also,
as you know, is not over. But uh, we gotta
make a difference now. So we got I did. I'm
doing an n f T. I just joined the sand Box.
We're doing uh Simon and Schuster. We're doing a new
(26:57):
book that uh this Dog has nine lives and still counting.
You know, things are happening out because we're back to work.
My Franchie is very spiritual and so am I, and
she's supervising me and I just it's just incredible. So
as long as I stay busy like that and things
(27:20):
going on, you know, then I'm happy. Because I worked
hard on some of the mounties. You've got to go
twenty four thirty six hours without drugs and barely coffee.
You gotta, you know, So to work hard like that
and to get a good reward at the end of
that work is worth it. That's what I do it for.
And I used to box, right, and I didn't like
(27:41):
hitting that much kind of but I didn't like to
get hit. But the cheer of the crowd and I
walked in and I got done. Yeah, dog done. Oh
that's what I love. I don't know what that's called,
but and the mass singer they were cheering me go,
dog you go. When you bring a fugitive and the
mother that's his mother or the grandma or the thank
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you dog, I live for that. I don't know. There
must be some kind of something about it, but I
just live for for that. Yeah, I relate to that.
I'm a stand up comedian and so anytime the audience
laughs or applaudse, I just feel like I've done a
service or I've done my job. And it feels so
(28:24):
good to be of service to other people. I just
wanted to quickly go back to your n f T
because I'm super into the crypto web three space. Are
you doing a full collection? And when is it? When
do you plan to drop? Yes, they're dropping soon. And
I'm in the sad box too. This is amazing. Okay,
and there and they're your age. Is that impolite to
(28:44):
say to you? With each generation biblically and we see
get smarter. So then you guys are incredible that some
of the stuff you're doing. So we're jumping in there
in Francis. It's great. We love it because you get
your message out and people have fun. You know, people
(29:05):
can stand at the line and the bank and and
play it. We're doing a video game now where kind
of like Jimunji, where you push the button you see
what the things are, what the criminals weakness, sar is
you know how not to be a victim? You know,
park across street from a bank, don't park across the
street from you know, a different liquor store. I mean,
(29:28):
there's so many things. Watch it when you pull up
to a when you got your little sticker for a
Handicap signed because that's the first car the criminals hit.
I mean there's a lot of things that will be
able to do with with the new the metaverse and
and the video game and f t S and all that. Well,
you know, Snoop Dogg loves Sandbox. I feel like you
(29:49):
two should do a collaboration, Snoop dog the bounty Hunter.
Listen ideas you have, uh, you have discernment, sister. We're
working on that right now. Why people with Snoop people?
We he wanted to go on a bounty with me
and we were going to do the celebrity right along
(30:10):
and Snoop said to me, I double dog Darren to run. Yeah,
you two on a show together. Is already an instant hit. Yes,
absolutely instant hit. Wow. I can't believe that I called this.
Rolling up to a crime scene in his his Laker mobile,
(30:31):
I could see that that's who you're getting out, like
Starsky and Hutch he's smoking a joint. Yeah, and you
imagine the guys, you know, doing something whatever like Stallone
lost his son. I mean there's a lot of things,
uh that that different celebrities. You put them in the
back seat, ride with the fugitive. You need to change
your life right now, you know, Charlie Sheen, I did
(30:53):
that stuff. Look where it lad snoop DOGG do it?
Or you've got a problem. I mean they're you know
that right there is very compelling and I like to
you know all, I like to do that. Well, going
back to something you said, by the way, because I
have been obsessed with the Gabby Petito Brian laundry case.
(31:14):
That's actually why we started this podcast, and so we
referenced you some point episodes one through three because we
were so excited that you got on the case. We
were like dogs going to solve this. You know, this
case had America by the heartstrings. We were all just
waiting every day for new information. So I don't know
(31:35):
what you can tell us, but I've never felt settled
about this case. Well, we're amazing to say that we
should have my people get with your people because we're
doing a dog cast. When La launching and we hooked
up together, I got footage in the Brian laundry hunt
that no one else has got. So and I started
(31:56):
out by saying, this is not what dog says, this
is what the camera says. Okay, So we well, I
know there's something there, but you know, there's so many
diff Now he's suicide. He was right handed, shot himself
to the left hand. There are so many things that
don't look good. So we're gonna, you know, put that
(32:18):
on one of the wedding and then that the Brian
laundry thing. How sad because you know, I lost a
daughter at the same age as Gabby were Francy and
I went to her honeymoon. I was a hundred miles away,
didn't even know it. Francis from Florida. So we went
back there to be in the beach. She's like, you
promised me the beach in the sand, not the swamp
and the gators. So I mean she she stopped the
(32:41):
honeymoon to go down there. It was god Land as
soon as we hit there. The media game things. You know,
I have a lot of fans, I love a lot
of people, and we needed that. We needed you know,
the brother here is His sister said, oh, I haven't
seen him, and Franzie and I ran a real simple
(33:02):
thing and found out that he'd been in the park.
It's his picture in the back of the truck when
they come in, and you know, a lot of those
things were never really developed because there's something going on there. Okay,
so uh yeah we're and that's the cases we're getting
into right now. Is those kind of and I've always
(33:23):
been big brother, you've better watching. Can't talk about about
the cops, but the truth, they are so busy. One
gets on the case with you on the phone, you
start brainstorming. He gets a call domestic violence. I'll be
back an hour, dog two hours. It takes. He's coming
a kid missing at school, He's got to go there.
They are so understaffed and so busy. Even when they
(33:46):
got enough staff that to do something that's already been there,
done that, they can't do it. So that's why it
takes citizens with criminal justice experts behind them and lawyers
and know what they're doing to help them out. Okay,
I don't care. Sometimes I have found the perp called
(34:07):
the competence that he's in the house guinea to let
them have the glory the ero walk. Right, I only
catch a bad guy and if I get to share
with the cop the glory the ero walk, I love
that because the and that's the thing, it's it's like
what you said is, yes, they're busy and they have
all this other stuff going on. That's why when people
(34:28):
were like stop whatever, you know, what do you how
do you feel about like TikTok people, they were like, oh,
stop with your theory, stop with it. I think the
more evidence that people can throw out there, and the
more theories that people can throw out there, have someone
that weeds through it. I'm not saying that that I
don't the cops don't look it and say, well, it's
gotta be this, Like they're all scatter brained, they know
what they're doing, but they're overwhelmed. So I think the
more people that can dig stuff up or throw theories
(34:50):
out there or you know, people are fantastic now on
TikTok and on the Internet where they can zoom in
on something. Granted that flowerbed thing probably nothing but fascinating. Well,
and it's you know, the fans don't have and I
don't know if this is a bad word, Internet sloops
don't does. And we got today last night we were
(35:11):
talking to Katie. We have fifty five hundred leads every
three days, another one every day, three leads come in
again about Brian laundry. We left that so the fans
can afford that they don't have someone to man the phone.
You call the FETs, try to leave a message. You know,
(35:32):
they don't have to give me. They're so security number.
We pay cash on delivery for the information. We don't
gotta call crime stoppers. You know. There's a lot of
things that we do that their hands are bound that
they can't do. They can't boot a door if they
know he's in there, we can't, you know. So there's
(35:52):
a lot of things that uh and now in again
forty some two or three years in the beginning, you know,
they were like my foe right which ones that fell
and out? They both are Now I'm brother Dog, and
that makes me feel good because I have proven to
them that I'm a good guy with a black cat,
(36:13):
you know what I mean. So it's it's incredible, and
this is why we are team Dog. Yeah, team Dog
for life. We love you. I mean, I wish we
had more time with you. I mean, I just I
guess I have one final question, is you know you've
seen and heard everything. I mean, if there's anyone on
(36:35):
the planet that has seen and heard it all to you,
has there been anything in your many seasons of successful
television and all of the hunts you had off camera.
Is there anything you've seen that is the wildest moment
that you felt that you actually witnessed. I didn't witness it,
but to arrest the guy that did a very bad
(36:57):
thing to a seven month old baby. Now, I don't
want to get to spiritual, but there's evil and then
there's demonic possession. You gotta be full of something, demons
I call it. You walk into king supers and open
up and see women and men dying and screaming for
(37:17):
God and their mother, and laugh and shoot again. Those
are the guys were going after. That's what I have
seen more than I ever have ever is you know,
you're very young, but you were probably around when the
first McDonald's shooting happened. That was the first one ever.
(37:38):
Now what is it? One a day in a shopping
center or something, you know what I mean? So the
demonic spread of evil and it's not us. The demonic
spread of evil is around. But and to be right
with God on the flip side of that, you normal,
(38:01):
non spiritual way, there's got to be a power of
God just as strong. And that's why I call it's
supernatural it's really there. I've seen a lot of that
where I haven't seen before. I've seen a lot of
pastors now and supernatural believers that getting these combinations from
God how to get things done. I've never you know, uh,
(38:25):
I've never seen that. It's incredible, what God, it's it's
I mean, you know, I don't want to sound like
a preacher, because I'm not. But we are truly living
in the last days. And but we can, you know,
we can triumph it. Just you know, we got to
keep COVID all this stuff. Oh dear Lord, imagine we
were a Urico dog. We love you. You're incredible. Thank
(38:50):
you for doing the Lord's work. You We we need
more people like you. And if you ever want a
uny Jewish woman to come along for a right along,
please invite me. I'm dying to come. Thank you. Yeah,
I enjoy your enjoy your Armadillo moments in life. But
don't stop doing what you're doing because it's it's impressive
(39:13):
and needed. And listen after Armadillo and the best here.
You know, forty years bro, I've arrest in eight thousand,
I've probably bragged the number one crime guy in America
out of solvement. How to stop it? Yeah, educate, don't
and Carson rat. I mean, there's so many things that
I've seen work and things that I haven't. Please remember
(39:34):
my my people and call me if you need me.
I'll be right there. Be careful what you wish for. Yeah,
I will, and I will be purchasing your n f
T and looking out for you in sandbox. Thank you, Helloa,
thank you, God bless thank you, thank you. I feel
like I need like go to a spot that was wild,
(40:00):
that was so are you guys not shook? Yeah, a
little bit, it was. It's quite a roller coaster, quite
an event. I mean, I'm I'm very interested to hear
what he knows about Brian laundry that we don't know.
I know he did he I saw your eyes light
up when he said that's not over and and he
could just mean that there's the suing going on, but
(40:21):
I feel like and he said, we have stuff footage
that people don't have of you. He knows something and
I'll be interested to hear what it is. And he
said that they keep getting tips every day. I mean,
I really do think that people are, you know, not
over the fact that he might have run away or
he's he's not really dead or and you know that
used to be my theory, but obviously I'm over that one.
(40:43):
But I do think when he said, you know he
can he was right handed and he was shot in
the left temple. I I think about that constantly. I'm like,
who killed Brian Laundry? Was it one of the parents?
Was a like a assistant suicide? Was it? You know?
I think that there's so many aspects and play that
we really just don't have enough information about. Agreed, And
(41:05):
I think it's so difficult to shoot a gun that
to do that with your non dominant hand and have
it be without a reaction, have it be where you
needed to be. There's Yeah, it seems interesting. It's a
little suspect. So this guy that I was dating, it's
a weird go on. I'm here. Maybe he loves guns.
(41:25):
He's like, I'll come with you to go get one.
You know, there's a cooling off period after you try
to get a gun, or they make you wait ten
days before you can go back and get it. I
don't know if you know that the same thing with
dating for you, and yeah, wait ten days and then
I always go back I know that don't learn anything,
so and he was trying to show me how to
put a bullet into the gun, to load the gun,
(41:48):
and it was physically so difficult to actually put the
bullets into the gun. I mean, there's everything having to
do with guns. I think people don't realize how complicated
they are and how difficult it is. So then to
do everything with your non dominant hand right is very confusing.
In my opinion. That's the problem is that guns are
(42:11):
so difficult to operate this and yet somehow these so
many morons and ship heads find a way to get
them and operate them. And welcome back to real time crime.
(42:34):
You just heard us with Dog, And then of course
Dmitri and I had to give our two cents about
guns and brand laundry because that's who we are inside.
And I think it's time for us to talk about
our main case of the day. Demitri A you ready,
I'm ready. I mean, it's gonna be tough, pretty tough
to dissect this thing without Dog. But now I feel
(42:54):
like I wish you seen another level. I mean, no offense,
I do wish we got his opinion on literally everything
from today and all ways in every episode. I wish
he was on the podcast. He wouldn't be sometimes dog,
he would be all the time. Dog. Yeah. I don't
think i'd get to speak, and I'd be okay with that.
Do you love how much he called me young constantly?
(43:16):
I know you did. I don't know what clips will
be on social media, but if there's a clip of
you smiling when he calls you young, I think people
will get it. Because I was like, here, we get
he said it a couple of times. It's like, Okay,
come on, dog, You're really going to hurt us in
the long run. She doesn't. I know that when people
look at me, they think I'm eighteen, but I'm actually
twenty two. M okay. So I just want to say
(43:39):
trigger warning suicide. I mean, honestly, this whole episode is
a trigger warning. But this case, specifically, it's the death
of Conrad Roy. I'm sure you've been hearing about it
because there are multiple TV shows about it now. There's
ABC and Who Lose the Girl for Plainville, and they're
(44:01):
both about the same case. So Conrad Henry Roy the
third was an American teenager who died by suicide at
the age of eighteen and fourteen, his girlfriend, then seventeen
year old Michelle Carter, encouraged him in text messages to
kill himself. The case was the subject of a notable
investigation and involuntary manslaughter trial in Massachusetts, colloquial known as
(44:22):
the texting suicide case. Michelle Carter made headlines in fifteen
when a mass Chusets judge ruled that her words through
texting and phone calls coerced eighteen year old Roy into
dying by suicide. She was sentenced to fifteen months in prison,
which she sure served from February twenty nineteen to January
twenty She got released three months early due to good conduct,
(44:45):
so Michelle Carter twenty five has been seen for the
first time since being released from jail January. Her story
has been dramatized in the Hulu series The Girl from
Plain Bill with l Fanning playing Carter, Colton Ryan playing
Conrad Roy, and Chloe seven A how do you say
your last name? Is that? How you say it? I thought,
(45:08):
A seven, I think that's very fancy. This is We're
going to get the bomb of this crime playing Lennroy,
Conrad's mother. In addition to the Girl From playing Bill,
Carter and Roy story has also been covered inbo documentary
I Love You Now Die The Commonwealth Verse Michelle Carter,
woof Last week ABC revisited the texting suicide trial. So
(45:33):
I'm sure a lot of people have already heard about
this case. And this boy was very beloved. He was
an all around good kids, smart, family oriented, surrounded by friends.
Was even mentioned how he got his captain license to
go out on their family boat with his dad and grandfather.
(45:53):
He never wanted to failed anything, but apart from having
a seemingly good life, he appeared and he had a
battle with his mental health, and he had attempted suicide before.
He did have issues, and he got help for it
and he came out the other side. And when they
found out that he took his own life, they didn't
(46:14):
believe it's because he wanted to die, but rather it
was a cry for help. And this is such a
tragic story. I think. I think some people think that
she should be a free woman Michelle um and and
some people say they were surprised she even got eleven months,
which is crazy to me. I think emotionally, you want
(46:36):
her because it was decided and with your own eyes
and ears, it seems like she certainly didn't play the
role that he needed in this right she put and
part of it was, didn't they say that she she
wanted the attention of being like the grieving girlfriend that
was kind of allegedly what what kind of what she
was doing is for for attention and stuff like that. Clearly,
(46:58):
if he's battling with mental mental health and and he
had kind of been righting himself and trying to deal
with it and she comes in and not the person
he needed in his life. Um, but yeah, you could
see that. I guess in one way, it is lucky
that she did any time at all because she didn't
commit the crime, But so there was a lot of
gray area in there. So I think that's the big question.
(47:19):
Was Michelle in any way responsible for Conrad taking his
own life? Because I guess at the end of the day,
it was still his decision, is what people are saying.
And online bullying is so prevalent now. I'm just grateful
I didn't grow up with you know, Instagram when I
was in middle school, because I probably would have lost
(47:41):
my mind over all the online bullying and the fake
accounts and people can say anything, but when you read
the chain of transmission between them and their texts. She's
she's saying do it, do it, or do it or
I'll get you help. It's like, just get him help.
Why are you She's like, oh baby, you can't live
(48:02):
like this? Oh what? Yeah, that's that's not the words
of someone that that truly cares about somebody that's going
through some problem. Maybe she would claim that she was
trying to, like, you know, give him an ultimating, but
that's not that's not the the area that you play
around with that. No, she even said last night, was it.
You keep pushing it off and you say you'll do it,
(48:23):
but you never do. It's always going to be that
way if you don't take action, you're just gonna make
it harder on yourself by pushing it off. You just
have to do it. Do you want to do it now? Yeah?
Like and and these are I mean, it goes on
and on and on and on, and you can read.
I suggest that you look it up and make a
decision for yourself how you feel whether you think that
(48:46):
she's responsible, partially responsible, fully responsible, I mean the text
or bizarre. She's like, I love you, Are you gonna
do it now, like what, It's so bizarre because clearly
not the words of someone that truly loves, that loves
him and is concerned about him. So well, like I said,
it's it's it's a shame, it's terrible all around. But
the fact that he needed help and this is someone
(49:08):
that was close to him, that he thought probably did
love him or did care about him, and these are
the words that he's getting them from the most from
and you know, his family as a as a father, myself,
like his family afterward, knowing that someone was doing this
to him, probably I don't know what the relationship was
with her and the family, but they probably thought, oh,
it's his girlfriend. She's there, she's another level of support.
(49:29):
I don't know anything about the family or that connection,
but to look back on that now has got to
be just like it was right there in front of you.
That's why people say, do you look at your kids
stuff and you know, you know, read their text or
And granted he's eighteen, so it's a different it was
a bit of a different story. But it's so interesting
when you said that, it triggered me because I remember
(49:50):
thinking I had no privacy as a kid, and I
was such a good kid, and my mom was looking
or I felt like I was looking for problems, or
maybe it was her way of getting closer to me,
or but there was never any reason for concern mhm.
And that still is something that I constantly feel frustrated by,
(50:11):
where I'm like, do I have my privacy? Is anyone
looking through my stuff? But it's then you go into
situations like this where I'm sure if his parents saw
these text messages, they would have taken him and gone
him help immediately, you know. And you can see in
the text messages he's talking about how you know, he's
out with his family getting ice cream, or he's out
(50:31):
he's doing something with his family, and she's like, well,
you got to do it when you're done, and you know,
he's like, I don't, I don't know. I'm getting nervous
because I just I don't know what's going to happen
to my family, Like he loved his family, and she's like,
I told you, I'll take care of them. It'll be fine.
I mean, the the amount of evil that you have
(50:52):
to have to to even whatever whatever reason, alleged reason,
whatever reason she was doing it for, there's no there's
no excuse for it. It's it's not when you know
someone struggling, that's not the approach you take. And I
do believe, and I remember hearing that. I do believe
it was more about attention. Oh, she's going to play
the role of the grieving girlfriend, clearly not loving herself more,
(51:14):
clearly loving herself more than him or anything else. I mean. Also,
it's like, Okay, I believe she was a factor in
his death, you know, because there was no if you
break up with me, I'll kill myself. Because it sounds
(51:34):
like she wanted him to kill himself so she didn't
want to be with him. She could have just broken
up with him, you know, there's like and then the
blame would have been on her. Then she wouldn't have
been able to play that role she wanted to play either.
Did she just think no one was going to see
the messages? He even says like did you delete these?
Like they're talking about deleting the messages? You know. It's
like it's just so upsetting. And I mean, do you
(51:55):
think that when a case like this gets made into
a TV show that it glorifies it or does it
bring it awareness or both? I think as long as
things are done a certain way, I don't think. I'm
not as alarmed by glorifying stuff. I think, obviously you
can glorify something and make it look like especially for
younger minds and and uh and influencing people. But I'm
(52:17):
I think it's better to be aware. But that's why
I'll read things. I'll read news stories that I don't
want to read, but I read them because you can
take something from them, and you can learn something. The
more you are aware you are of things, the more
you can be, the more you can prevent them. Right,
So stuff like you said about privacy, you were a
good kid, you didn't really do anything. But you know what,
sometimes kids, especially getting this moment and they think, oh,
(52:37):
this is this is this is only happening to me
and this is only my life, and things get so
put under a microscope and they don't realize that a
lot of people go through bullying a lot and there's
people out there that go through the same things and people.
So I think support groups and knowing stuff is an
easier way to help people. So I'm not concerned with
the TV shows, and I assume that they're not taking
(52:58):
a glorifying stance to it. No. I mean the other
thing about television shows is it does bring more awareness
to it in my opinion, you know, and then it
helps other people in the future. That's That's what a
lot of entertainment is is bringing awareness so that people
feel like, oh, that happened to someone else. Well, now
(53:19):
I don't feel so alone, or this isn't so uncommon,
or this is the way, or this is something I
should be looking out for. There are a multitude of
ways that it's actually extremely beneficial. And you know, I
mean they did it with the Anadelte case, they did
it with a tender swindler. It's like, if you don't
put that information out there, of course, the tender swindlers now,
you know, like signed with a SiGe and or whatever.
(53:41):
That's different, of course. But now people are aware that
this sort of thing can happen and they should be
on the lookout, you know. And it's like if a
if a guy started asking me for twenty dollars or
open credit, I would be like, m you have seen
this before and it's going to be a no for me. Dog,
But not I would never say no. Dog. The bounty
hunter obviously obviously thousand times yes to him that how
(54:04):
many times can I say yes? You know? And wow,
this has been a wild episode today. Yeah, but there's
a lot of and to be honest, it's funny. I
almost feel bad putting that thing in here because you
look at all these other things and you're like, get
your ask back out there and deliver the mail or
figure it out post office. You don't stop delivering mail
(54:25):
because of one thing that irritated me, Like all this
other ship going on, it's like whoa, someone swung a broomstick.
Figure it out. You don't just stop doing what you're doing.
Imagine if dog was like, WHOA, this is dangerous, I'm
not going to do go do this, he said, He's
what arrested like eight thousand people or help bring them in. Yeah,
the littlest hardship. It's like, I'm sorry that there was
one witch in Santa Monica who needed to take off
(54:47):
to get to their next destination and you were in
the way. Get over it, right, Get over it anyway,
you guys. If you've been listening to the podcast and
you love us, make sure to leave us a review
on iTunes or Spotify wherever you listen to your podcasts
and also send us a d M. Let us know
(55:07):
if you think there's a case that we're missening that
you'd like us to look into. Let me know if
you think that Michelle Carter was involved or not involved
in the death of Conrad Roy and you know that,
you can leave us a voicemail. You know you can
write at you could, you could. You could tell us
(55:30):
things like, oh, hey, did you check out the black Dahlia?
Of course you know I did, but you know, give
me a case I haven't heard of. Or you could say, hey, listen,
I know a case personally, what do you think about this?
Or a tip hotline, you know, whatever you want phill
us in. Just don't ask me on a date. I'm
just I'm not I'm not ready, okay, But you could
(55:51):
leave a voicemail asking her our day too. We'll play
it and have a little fun. Not fun, you're expensive,
but just fun. Expensive at eight six crime that's eight
six six twent anyone come eight six six to anyone time?
That's eight six six two and two seven four six three?
Hi Leo, will you go out with me? Oh? Dear lord,
it'll make you so uncomfortable. Leave those messages will be
(56:12):
so happy. I'll be like, yeah, someone loves me. Okay,
that's very sad. That's so sad, Dmitri. We can't do
podcast this early again, all right. You can find me
on Instagram and Twitter at Leo Lamar with two RS
and show dates at Leo Lamar dot com and my
(56:34):
TikTok's Lee Lamar with five RS, although it does have
another content violation, so who knows how long I'll be
on TikTok. You, guys, stay safe out there in those streets. Dmitri,
where can we find you on the internet at Dmitri
pappas d E M E t R I p A
P p A S or just look for the tag
in the real time Crime account account. I love that
for us. Okay, guys, stay safe, stay warm wherever you
(56:58):
are in the world, and don't commit any crimes. Be
you next time. I love your bye. It's real time ground.
It's real time ground. I mean, is it actually real
time crime or I'm solving anything or is that just
the thing we say? It's a thing we say, got it? Okay,
see you next week for more real time crime only
(57:21):
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