November 28, 2022 • 41 mins
Gizelle and Robyn interview Pastor Jamal Bryant of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta to discuss conviction, politics, Herschel Walker, marriage, co-parenting, Gizelle as a ‘First Lady” and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Reasonably Shady, a production of the Black Effect
Podcast Network and I Heart Radio. Welcome to another episode
of Reasonably Shity. I am just elf Ryan. What's up?
What's up? Everyone? This is Robin Dixon. Thank you for
(00:22):
being here. Yes, thank you, thank Yeah. Everybody should be
like nice and full and happy or mad. We're mad
because they got into a fight with their family, like
happy Thanksgiving exactly like I'm never coming back again. I
love those family moments. I wish I had some like that.
You know what, I actually have had my brother, um
years ago. He would always be good for a moment
(00:44):
like that. Would he likes storm out the house? Um?
Has he ever stormed out? I don't know if he
ever stormed out, but he would make things just very tense. Yes,
n you can cut that into a NiFe monny who
it would like carry over for like months, where like
he stopped talking to people. Oh I love that. Okay.
(01:06):
So as a matter of fact, I want to ask
the folks right now, send us your crazy current like
this just this past Thanksgiving, like family drama over Thanksgiving. Yes,
give us the t we want the story. So like
email that to us. Yes, that would be fun. Yes,
and I've had plenty of those with like Wan's family
when we just yeah, my sister has stormed out a
(01:29):
couple of times. But anyway, or normally and sometimes when
back when I was younger and I had a very
hot temper, it was me really oh yeah, but I
mean I would eat first, of course, a hot temper
I used to Yes, anyway, we're moving on anyway, what
I did, I used to have a very hot I
mean I would get angry very quickly and then just
like say what I had to say I had and
(01:50):
then I didn't have a filter. Now I have a filter.
I don't get that angry, and I'm a much better person. Yes,
Like at what age did this? These were much one?
So the twenties was like rip roaring yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. I feel like for me, well I think
I've said this, well, I don't know. Sometimes it's still here.
But when once I had kids, I really kind of
(02:11):
like calmed down. Yes, absolutely, I definitely calmed down. Yeah. Yeah, Okay,
what's your shady moment? Any shady moment? I mean, okay,
so I'm talking to you right now on like less
than one hour cumulative of sleep. We're working on fumess
(02:34):
fumes and it is because that one Dixon one what
did he do? Has no consideration for people sleeping? So okay,
he's in his basketball season. His team is going on
a road trip, right, so they're on a two game
road trip, which means they're gonna be gone you know, one, two, three,
probably four, four or five days, right, So you know
(02:57):
he's he always waits till the last minute to pack.
So he comes into the bedroom midnight. Oh, I gotta pack,
but I'm tired. I'm just gonna lay down for a second. Okay,
is that like? Is that? Is that a second code
for something? That code for robbing? You pack my clothes? No, no,
I can't do it. Like he's so particular, like so particular,
(03:17):
so I can't help him there. But he but and
keep this in mind, he had to leave the house
by six am because they were flying out this morning. Right, Okay,
so twelve you haven't packed and you're laying down in
the bed. Not good for a few minutes with you, Okay,
So he sets he sets an alarm, Okay for like
(03:40):
forty five minutes. I don't yeah, I don't even know
what the time was. So, you know, a doze off
and what feels like a few minutes later he was
the alarmed that he's not turned it off. So I'm like,
turn your alarm off, or I'm like, get up. He's like,
all right, just give me a little more, give me
(04:00):
a little more time whatever. A few minutes later, he
doesn't get up. He doesn't get up. I swear the
whole entire night. His alarm went up, like he snoozed
his alarm the entire night we'd have been fighting. Yes,
And I'm like, so, I'm like, can you turn your alarm?
Can you get up? Turn your alarm off? He's he
(04:21):
has a nerve to say, Robin, I'm cool, I said,
but I'm nuts. Yes, you're literally sleeping through this freaking alarm.
Not I'm cool, Like I'm fine, Yes, okay, you don't
not the only one in the room. Sorry, I said,
But I'm not. What then that's right, Actually that's actually
(04:43):
that's actually absurd. But we love so we won't like trash.
It's insane, he said. He had the nerve so so so,
and I'm the type like I can't just fall back
to sleep, you know what I mean. It's like you
if I'm awaken in the middle of the night. It
really takes me a long time to fall back to sleep.
So it's like I will finally fall back to sleep
and then and I'm like, y'all get I would have
(05:06):
rolled up and punched him straight up whatever, smacked the
living daylights out of ham. So then he had the
nerve to say he's like oh, and then of course,
like once he does get up and starts packing, he's
all talking and has the light on, and you know,
the light fine, I put I put a little eye
mask on that ship was annoying, Like I don't really
wear sleep masks, especially because my lashes, you know, the extensions.
(05:28):
That was uncomfortable. So I'm all tossing and turning it.
It's just it's just a mask. It's a mask. Then
on top of that, right, so his um convoluted story.
But my brother in law and the baby, we're here.
Are they still here? No? No um in January? Right,
But he spent the night because my brother in law
(05:50):
was on the coaching staff and they were both going
to the you know, the airport together. But his wife
was on a trip, not coming back till tonight. So
where's the bank? So then I had to wake up
extra early to get the baby ready for daycare. Okay,
this is this is a mess. Okay, so basically you
had thirty minutes of sleep, okay, per the baby, wand
(06:12):
Dixon and your brother in law. This is a which
is And I'm like the whole night, I'm like, oh
my gosh, i gotta work tomorrow. We're going to podcast.
I'm not even gonna know what I'm saying. We got right,
so right now is disclaimer. Whatever comes out of Robin's mouth,
just blame it on the lack of sleep. Okay, I'm
present or extra cranky, yes, blame it on that. Okay,
(06:35):
So let me give you my reasonably shading moment of
the week. Okay, Okay, so you don't have three girls.
They're in high school. This week is spirit week, right,
so every day they have to dress up at something.
So first day, they two days ago, and they participate. Yeah,
full at the whole school, full on participate because it's
(06:55):
like all girls. They all get into it. I'm saying,
the school is all girls, so they getn't they it
into it. A door is the vice president of her class,
so she's like, okay, making sure they're all into She's
like picking the themes. Oh yeah. So theme for the
first day was be your favorite celebrity. Grace decided she
was gonna be this woman and she needed like a
(07:16):
blond wig shot on a shirt that said the Real
Housewives of Potomach. Okay, fine, she was made okay, and
I thought that was so cute, right untold. She started
talking and she was like right on the street and uh, yeah,
that's right, that's that's what I'm talking about. Oh my god.
(07:40):
It was so shady and so horrible. I was so
angry with her. I was like, okay, I've had it,
Like after twenty minutes. I was like, I've had a knife,
and leave my house and stop it. And so like
I'm sure all day long, and then she she would
send me pictures of herself with like her friends all
day and listen, she up that blond wig on her
(08:01):
head all days. She was so excited. And I was like,
if word on the street comes out of your mouth
one more time, we're gonna fight up in here. You
see what you did. You did it, I did it.
You did it. That's hilarius. Okay, wait, so did she
look like you kind of yeah, yeah, kind of sorry.
I mean she out of all three of my kids,
looks the most like me, So yes, I mean she did,
(08:22):
but she was. It was actually nice because she was
so excited to do it. But I think she was
excited to be shape of course, and she came up
with that or she's like, Mommy, I'm gonna be you.
I was like, okay, this is so nice, and then
that thing got she got so do you think she
was she saying that at school to her friends. I'm
sure I am. She said all of her teachers loved it,
(08:46):
like they were. They were excited about it, she said,
even the um an older lady that's like the chairman
of the board. The next day she saw Grace and
she was like, I really liked your costume. You really
look like your mom. Grace was like very happy, so
that I mean, it's nice that she loves me enough
to do it, but she was super shady anyway. But
(09:07):
we have a super exciting special guest to day, y'all
get ready, get ready to get ready to get rud
Who is it? Okay? So, like I said, we have
this super special sing guest on this show, y'all. Okay,
(09:30):
let me give him his his first his credentials. Okay,
so he's a more house grad. He is um a
pastor extraordinaire. Actually, he's the best pastor preacher on the planet,
on the planet, on the planet. Put all your money
on it. I will put all my money on it.
He is. He's actually the senior pastor of New Birth
Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia. He's the only guy
(09:53):
I've ever married, the only one, Yes, the only one.
And he is the father to all three of my kids.
Do you say he will continue to be the only
one and ever I don't know. Well, we shall see,
but he is. He is the father to all three
of my kids. Y'all know him as passed to Jamal Harrison, right,
he is in the bel ding. What is going on?
Past up? Oh girl robbing answers. I made a promise
(10:17):
to her about some ice chips. She'll explain. Oh what
is that with the ice chips? He said, when we
get older, he's gonna be the feeding me ice ChiPT.
As I'm laying in the bed like an invalid, he's
feeding me like I don't know if that's a good
is that a compliment? And what is that that's a
high compliment. Yes, that means you are He is with
(10:40):
you forever, forever. Want Look, let me tell you what
Want asked me the other day. It's a little graphic.
He said, are you going to wipe my butts? So
let me say this to you, Robert. Let me say
to this, do you Robin? I wouldn't even have my
feelings hurt to answer to that question. I already know
the answer. That nurse just in five second said, well,
(11:05):
you're a white man. I mean right, Jamal white mane
you got the ice chip? You just that's that's your limit. Okay,
So we have some first, we have some get to
know you rapid fire questions. Are you ready? I'm ready?
Tupac Are Biggie Big Fantasia or Jennifer Hudson Fantasia, Kobe
(11:29):
Bryant or Michael Jordan's I gotta go to Michael Christmas
or Thanksgiving? Christmas? Atlanta or Baltimore? What you got? Who's listening?
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Everyone's listening. Baltimore in Atlanta are listening. Yes, yeah, I'm
with Atlanta. Okay, you're in Atlanta? Okay? Reasonable or shady?
Mm hmm? Reasonable? Okay, you're lying? Do you agree with that.
I don't. I don't agree with that because I just
want y'all to know I've known this man for a
very long time. Half of my shadiness I get from
Jamal Bryant's in the other half from your dad from
(12:15):
her day, right, her dad is the black sign fell
and drive you. But he's gonna shank you in the shower,
not shake you in the shower. And leave my dad
out of this. First and foremost. You know you you
(12:37):
are a preacher extraordinaire and you like say whatever it
is that you feel, it's in your heart or on
your mind, and sometimes that allows for the haters to
hate on you because you know you stand on whatever
it is that you believe. So over the years, you know,
Rob and I feel like I mean, obviously we we
have a whole lot of hate that comes our way.
(12:58):
The evolution of hate ration, Okay, because before social media, um,
and I know I can speak from experience with just
being around you. You know, you would get hate in
the streets of Baltimore by other preachers. You know, you
were like the golden child. Your your church was growing
by leaps and bounds, and there's wasn't so how do
how do you deal with haters? Then the evolution of hating,
(13:21):
and then like the social media hate of it all. Yeah.
John Maxwell said this rapping that if you want to
be like to sell ice cream, uh, that anything that
you do outside of that is going to be controversial.
And we have gotten to a place where we think
to be famous to be successful, it's anonymous with being adored.
(13:45):
Reality is there is nobody in public space who doesn't
get there without critique. And so whether you're dealing with
politics or an athlete or an entertainer or a preacher,
if you put yourself off from uh. Dr King said, uh,
if you're up front and nobody is kicking your behind,
you're really not leading. So I think it's really the
(14:08):
litmus tests of finding out who your value is. Did
you did you always feel that way or did you
have to Did you have to develop that? No, it's
perrier water. It is an acquired taste. Um, it is shocking.
Cornell West said, the most painful thing you'll ever do
(14:31):
is be hated on by people you love. Uh. And
so to go through the blows is not robbing white
supremacists threatened you. It ain't people from the tea party.
Who's actually is people who you're trying to represent on
a global stage. Uh. And you're doing it and you're
(14:51):
not working. You're doing it and you're not being vulgar profane.
You're raising your children, loving your husband, doing what it
is that I deal of our people. And then you've
got to fight through what James Baldwin call survivor is guilt.
You are made to feel bad because you do well. Uh.
And it really just shows how toxic many of our
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people think. Damn that is good, right, Okay, So but Jamal,
do you feel like something like so you feel like
we get the we as in as in the black
community gets the most hate from the black community. It
just hurts the most. Oh, no doubt about it. Yeah.
The old thing is that hurt people, hurt people. Uh.
(15:38):
And I heard a quote this way. Haters are people
who don't know how to say they love you. So
a lot of people hate you really want to do
a lot of people hate you. I want to take
your place, And so you've got to see what is
their level of brokenness. You opened up just I'll talk
about they hated you because your church is growing in
the is not and a lot of people we attack
(16:00):
who we should be learning from. So instead of beating
me up, aye, Jamal, how did you do this? But
we're not used to mentorship, we're not used to legitimate friendships.
Really the straight bullets of social media that when I
followed you on Facebook, I'm called a friend. You did
(16:23):
not friend me, you followed me, and it has reduced
what is the value of what real friendship is? Wow? Like,
you know, I can't say that because because we've talked
a lot about how you and I both deal with
social media and just hate and just it just rolls
off our back. I I want to say that I
(16:44):
got from Jamal just just being with him when he
was first starting out and and um pastoring his church
and just all the negativity that would come his way.
He just didn't care at all, Like it just didn't
affect him. And I appreciate it because you know, he
would just keep it moving and be greater and greater
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every Sunday. He was just greater than the next Sunday.
So thank you, sir, you gave me a little something
something out here in the streets. No, let me say
to you, Gazelle one in that vein, how proud of you.
I am, and I don't mean that in any condescending way.
My greatest fear when you went on the reality television
(17:27):
was how were you going to be able to handle
that level of scrutiny and attack. And you've done it,
uh in a very graceful fashion that in many ways
I have been surprised about. But Gizelle and I Robin
met uh not in church but working in the n
double a CP. So the people who I looked up
(17:48):
to were dr King, was Malcolm X, was Adam Clayton
Powell who was speaking out and Gazelle. Look at the
contrast um their haters is burning crosses in their front yard,
was shooting at their wife. All I got to deal
with is a blogger gets light mparrassing to the people
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who I look up to and what they had been
or you know, I wasn't coming to you, Grace Angel
the door black, Hey, we gotta leave at midnight the
blog because it was just it's just the reality of
the space that we did. This is the safest hour
as a civil rightsy leader to be hater. If the
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only thing that you got to be afraid of is
a keyboard, I can't and I'll take it okay. So
on that vein, Um, I think the whole world saw
your takedown of Hershel Walker, like the beginning of your
sermon and what you talked about Hershel Walker and the
fact that we don't need him. That thing went viral. Um.
(18:56):
Andy Cohen saw it, He texts me at eight'clock in
the morning. I didn't think the n listen to a
black preacher. Um, you're probably the first black preacher and
he has ever listened to. Where was it replayed for
him to get ahold of that? Who God only God
only knows. Georgia, I need you to know the slave
nickro j you'll not used to don't live here no more.
(19:19):
We can't think for ourself, function for ourself, and vote
for self. Why because we don't need a walker. Hey,
that was amazing, jamal Um. That's that's you know, typical
best preacher in the whole planet. That's what he does.
But but now that we have not one in in Georgia,
(19:43):
are you frustrated with the fact that herscher Walker and
Warnock they gotta run again? Yeah? No, I'm frustrated, but
I'm excited the people of Georgia have done it before.
When Raphael first got elected, we had to go to
a runoff because gell different from Maryland. You don't win
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in Georgia because you have the highest amount of votes.
You have to have fifty plus one percent. Uh. So
Raphael had over I think fifty thousand more votes. Uh.
And so I think that people are really mobilized. One
thing about black people, Uh, they feel like there's a fight.
They're coming to watch it. So I think that people
(20:27):
are mobilized. And it were just unearthed yesterday that if
Juan hypothetically gave to herschel Walker's campaign a hundred dollars,
only ten of it went to herschel Walker. Ninety of
those dollars went to Trump. Isn't it just hit the
press today, Uh, that he wasn't even getting his money.
(20:48):
So they've been pump pimping him at a level that
herschel Walker didn't even know. Wow, speaking speaking to Trump,
you know, he just decided he was gonna run again.
Don't you want to like seeing the for frozen? Let go,
let it go, Let it go, let it go. I mean,
I just feel like there's no wind in his sales.
(21:10):
I think that it's a rap and he's the only
one that doesn't know it. No, I think he is
a gift to the Democratic Party because it slows down
everybody else who was a Republican who was thinking about running,
because he is such a megalomaniac and his ego makes
him delusional about facts. That's how the midterms didn't go
(21:34):
in the way that the Republicans thought, because these were
all Trump candidates. And so I think him saying in
the race is going to lower the money for the
Republicans and lower the enthusiasm of that base. Yeah, but
it will keep me entertained. I will say that. I
can I tell you, without Trump on my TV screen
(21:55):
every day, I didn't have as much to laugh about.
This is very true. I am looking forward to Yes. Yes,
And if you didn't see the Jamal takedown of Hershel Walker,
just google it child get your entire life. Now, let's
let's staying on that. On that topic, I think it's
the one thing and one advantage about uh Warnock and
Walker running again is that now we can focus all
(22:17):
of our attention on bringing attention to that very important
race in Georgia. So you know, we were here Maryland,
We're pushing for our Maryland candidates. But we can tell
everybody you know repeatedly to vote for Warnock because I mean,
I don't even who in their right mind can check
off a box for herschel walkers like I do. I
just that is the most instant Georgia. Yes, this guy
(22:43):
can't conjugate a bird. It's just it's pathetic. I listen.
I was listening to him the other day and I
was like, I cannot believe that this is reality. But
now at least we can focus all of our attention
on making sure he does not get elected. Okay, moving, So,
Jamal and I have three beautiful daughters, Grace, angel Anna Door. Um.
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I love them so much and I'm actually proud of
my kids, Like I think that they are amazing. They
are beautiful, amazing, respectful, they are kind, they are Um,
I just learned. I learned this morning. Um, Jamal, I
don't know if you if you know this, that Grace
takes a class right now currently that is like I
don't know what it's called, but it's like she helps
(23:29):
students with special needs. So but the class is about
like her tutoring them and her helping them. And I
felt like at her age. If I were when I
was her age, There's no way in hell that I
would have the patience to do something like that. I
credit Jamal. I think she got her patience from you.
(23:49):
You know, Jamal is very compassionate and he's he has
a gift for just giving and service. So thank you
you gave that to Grace because she is. I saw
her interact with one of the young ladies that go
to school has with specialties, and Grace was just like
so amazing. So I give you. I give you all that,
Mr Bryant. Now, um, I feel like we're able to
(24:15):
co parent very well. I'm gonna toot my own horn
a little bit and say that. You know, when Jamal
and I were first getting a divorce, I decided that
however mad I was at him was not as important
as him being in my kid's life. Absolutely, what would
you think is our our greatest gift to our kids? Jamal?
(24:38):
We're number one. You are an amazing mother, uh And
I am eternally indebted for the incredible way that you
have modeled in front of our girls. And I don't
want people to think we've just arrived here. This was
not an easy road to get to wed is that
we are we are intentional about doing family counseling with
(25:05):
the girls, uh and with Giselle and I because he
was here Rashima for a minute, but were it was,
but we were really committed for the sake of the
girls on how it is that we will modeled um
before each other. So we've been divorced with twelve years,
(25:28):
a lot of a long time, but he's still here.
He's twelve years and in twelve years, I could only
think of one major blow up that we've had with
the girls present. And I'm just thankful on the God
on uh that you have been mindful of my presence
(25:49):
and how it is that you have navigated co parenting
long distance, which is a whole different all the wax,
but it's been great and so every day as mother's
and that's really why I'm nice to you. Okay, I
appreciate that. And this is for people that are going
through a divorce right now, I um said to Jamal,
(26:11):
because Jamal travels a lot. You know, I don't know
what your your calendar and your schedule is now, but
at the time Jamal would be booked a year out
for you know, going around the world. He's he's a
preacher international. He wants me to say that he's a
globe trotting preacher. Um. And I knew because of his
schedule that he couldn't have a consistent schedule with the
(26:33):
girl like he we couldn't do every other weekend or
anything like that. So I said to him, look, anytime
it is has something, anytime there is a moment that
has something to do with the girls, if it's a vacation,
if it's a dinner, if it's or whatever, you are invited, okay, um.
And so I always left the window open for him
(26:53):
to jump in whenever he could, and and he does.
He jumps in all the time. That's beautiful. I mean, unfortunately,
so many relationships are they can't get along and they
can't look at the bigger picture, which is the children
when they go through a divorce. And so I definitely
think you all are an example for so many people
in this world, because people hold on the bitterness and
(27:15):
anger and it's like, you know, it's just like you
just gotta let that go and look at the big picture,
which is the kids. I love my kids more than
I will ever be mad at that. Man. And now
I'm not mad at him, no more so anty way. Okay,
so a couple of things, oh he said this week.
(27:37):
You know, Jamal is good about not bragging on himself,
but there's a little bragg I want to do you
feed the community. When the COVID first started, new Birth
was very intentional about feeding the community. You have fed
how many I'm saying it wrong, You have done how many?
How many? So in the in the pandemic, we started
(27:58):
giving out grow trees that saying. And uh, just a
month ago we hit one million families that we give
groceries to in the last few years. And it is
great and it is embarrassing to know that food insecurity
is that dire. And we're just talking about one metropolitan area.
(28:19):
For Thanksgiving, we're given our five thousand turkeys. Uh. While
that sounds good in one way, in another way, it's
saying that it has to be done. Yeah. Now we
said one million groceries two years, families, one million families,
one million bags of groceries in two years. Yeah, that's
(28:44):
fantast that's I remember when I was when we were
married and I was the first lady of the Parami Temple.
Um the Women's Ministry that look, you know what, I
know my next question, the Women's ministry would decided tomorrow
has his hands over his face, right, it's covering his face.
We decided to feed as many families as we could
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and literally go to their house, knock on the door
and give them the food. So I had like a
bus I had security. I was pregnant the time with
one of them kids I have and um, and I
was going knocking on doors. So it's like I was
in the hood of Baltimore knocking on doors. You did
not know what was gonna open the door. All kinds
of things was opening the door as I was. Yes,
(29:29):
I mean obviously we were blessing them, but it was
such a blessing to me to be able to give
them what the Church gave them. And for me, like
they would invite me in. It would be like a
weed infestive smelling house, and they would invite me in,
and I would pray with him a little bit and
I would say Happy Thanksgiving. But we made sure that
we gave them food from Thanksgiving to Christmas. Wow, so right,
(29:50):
enough food for for to last at least a month.
So yes, as that's what I did as first lady
at a pome that it's fantastic. So look, speaking of
Gazelle being first lady at Empowerment Temple, tell us, jamalro
how was gall as a first lady? There's a pause.
(30:11):
No, no no, no, So Gazelle was not a Mother Teresa
first lady. Hit her head. She was a Michelle Obama
first lady. Yes, yes, she was coming in waving Abama
before I was not waving to the it she was.
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She was the Black Princess due. She did a great job. Okay, well,
while we're on that that note, she did our first
women's conference. Yes, um, she did a whole lot of mentoring.
A lot of the young girls came to her from
mentoring a lot of the young ladies who had come
to Baltimore to go to either Copping or Morgan really
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pulled on her. She wrote a whole lot of a
k letters half for the Aks in Baltimore, letters from Gazelle. Listen,
I was the bomb, okay even back then. Now now
I want to say, there's some things that I missed
not being married to Jamal Bran Okay, okay, which is
one of the things I used to complain about. I
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think I now message. Okay, So you know, like I said,
Jamal travels a lot, so he would have to get
his his suits and his ties and his shirts together
before he would go on his trips. So he would
always be like, wake me up out of my sleep.
Now you want to be sleep, and when you sleep,
leave me alone. But he would wake me up, turn
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on all the lights. He would say, Gazelle, does this
suit go with this time? But does this shirt go
with this tie? In this suit? Okay, wait a minute,
wait a minute, wait a minute, let me get three
other ties. Okay, these three ties go with this five shirts.
I mean it was like, so you missed this. Now
I'm just saying, Robert, she's as given you half her store.
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What she misses that I was picking her clothes out,
That's what she misses. When I was picking her clothes
out robbing. She wasn't in no blog only time when
I don't pick it out. Oh my god. Okay, the
same we brought us off robing. I need you to
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be robbing. You gotta be up with was my first
stylist of truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, robbing.
When I first met you, where did I meet you.
You met me at the where did I first meet you? Rob? Yes?
It as Sacks, yes, true, yes, Sacks yes, yes. So
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she does not miss picking out my ties. She misses
me dressing her. That's what she's not going to give
confession to. Okay, this is this is a breaking moment. Yes,
Jamal Bryant was my first style list really, yes, okay
my last right and you're only my only yes. Okay.
(33:08):
See that was one of my One of my questions
for Jamaal was how does he go about picking his
outfits out? Because you know, you look nice and sharp now,
but I've seen sometimes you have, like, you know, a
pink tie and a pink silky shirt. Talking about them
Detroit Player suits you had, Okay, you had some plenty
of Detroit Player suits. Do you do you have a tailor,
and you're just like, give me one and every color,
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give me everything, in every color, in every print, what
the shade is coming. It's a work in progress. So
when I was at U Detroit, uh, that's when I
started wearing gagos So when I met Gazelle, I had
different color gators for every suit. Gazelle threw my gauges out,
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so I've tried to purge. I've tried to purge that
parton and walk backwards. So it's a working progress, yes,
But I mean they were like, they were like, it's
like a whole green suit with the matching green Gators
orange suits with that matching. He had this one white leather.
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They weren't ready. It's definitely not ready. I don't know
you were killing him, but they weren't ready. White leather,
trench coade. I couldn't wait for him to go on
a trip leather. I do that thing in the trash.
I said, I can't do this. It was like you
ain't never no, no, no, I was ahead of my time.
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White leather cause, um okay, So where is that? I
threw it in the trash? Can Jamal Bryant's It's gone? Okay?
That thing probably costs fourteen th dollars. It is gone.
I couldn't take it. Um But no, I feel like
you have come a long way and I love you.
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Do you do rock the dashiki situation? Sometimes that's see
you on the Instagram? Um? So, so do you like dashiki?
A suits? Get you a man that could do both?
Did you a man that can do both? Is that
what he said. But to answer your question, he has
tailors upon Taylors upon Taylors. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, I
believe that. Yes see, I'm not a really good cook,
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so I'm not. I don't I didn't really wine and
Dinna jamal by my home cooking. Right, But what is
your favorite part of robbing? Let me tell you that robbing, robbing.
I gotta tell you this. You know what our first
fight was in marriage? What was that? I have no idea.
When are you going to the supermarket? You didn't know
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before robbing she was coming back with chips and started
getting the home cooked meals to the girls. Was oh
my god. Okay, but yeah, in my defense, in my defense,
amount you like to go to restaurants to eat, you
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like to do that, but when we're sitting in the
same house, you gotta go down the state. Robin, this
is two thousand one, no uber eating. No, there was
no brother. This is the one just got off a
motor rolling two way pages something. Okay, this was actually
gonna be my last question to you, and and we
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might finish it just for what he just said. But anyway, okay,
so what was the best part about being married to Chisel,
because you're the only person on this planet that has
been married to me. There's a reason there would be
a whole another show. Give it to you. No, no, no,
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just Zell pushed me to be better. And she's the
only one out out of my parents who has spoken
into my life to really push me to go to
another the level I preached UM at a conference at
my home church one day and I thought I killed
that John. I mean, I thought Star Wars The Force
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was with and Giselle. We got in a car and
Giselle was like, you have really stopped growing? Do you
really think this the best that you can do? I
was high level offended, but it really seriously but didn't
really go to another point. And then when uh, this
herschel Walker video went virable, I saw Giselle maybe a
(37:33):
week after that, and she said, this is your vein.
Why did you leave that? You need to stay in
what it is that you're good at and be your best.
And a lot of people, uh don't really have authentic
friends that can push you to be better. Uh. And
so the thing that I value about Giselle, She's always
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pushed me to be better, even if she's pushing me
over the cliff without a parachute. Okay, we're gonna leave
it at that. That was such a nice way to end.
I want everybody know Jamal Bryant is one of my
favorite people on earth. Oh that's nice. Yes, one of
my favorite people on earth. Don't do that because not
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one of not one of Don't that. You're not the
I have that. Don't do that. Don't do that because
rapping is sitting now, you're okay, I have I have
Grace Angel and they're my favorite people. Jali, it's okay.
I can say that you you are in the top five. Okay,
a favorite people. But I have three kids, I have
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three kids, three kids. I have two parents. I have
three kids. I have two parents. Yes, so you you
beat out one parent. Yeah, good jeez. Anyway, thank you
for letting me come on the show. Yes, and we're
gonna send you a reasonably sad shady sweatshirt. We would
like to you for you to wear it Sunday morning church.
(39:00):
We want to see us represented as you preach the
Gospel of the Lord. Wouldn't that be beautiful? I'm aware
from Bible study. Okay, thanks, Okay, on that now we
will we will let you go. We know that you're
very busy. Love you to death, not Rob, but I'm
gonna speak for myself. Love you to death, Jamal Bryant.
Thank you, Jamal, it's been a pleasure. It has been
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a pleasure. We appreciate your work in the community and
we do miss you up. That was actually that was
my last question. So Jamal did um he took me
around the world, like we went to Egypt with Greece,
we went to here, Africa, we went to Why didn't
you take me to Wakanda? Like what in our relationship
didn't allow you to take me to Wakanda. I couldn't
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find the flight. Had I found the flight showed you
would have been there. Okay, that's gonna be our next trip.
He's taking me to get some I got to get
my vibranika, all right, and goodbye. Thank you, Jamal. Oh
my gosh, that's your ma. Brian is a man. Yeah,
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I would say, um, you definitely probably get about thirty
you shadiness from him, no forty. Yes, he's extremely shady. Yeah, yeah,
but but people don't know how shady he is. Right, Yeah,
it's funny. He's a I was going to talk about
this while we were on Jamal reads like a book
a week, so he's very smart. He's very well read.
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He loves using his big words. But then he also
has like a just a comedic side to him, which
is which is nice too. It's a nice balance. But
that makes for a great pastor. Yeah, you know, because
you want to You don't want to sit there and
just be bored. Gonna be entertained as well. This is
true to get the word and be entertained. So that's awesome.
So that was But I appreciate him taking time out
(40:52):
of his busy day to talk to us, and I
appreciate his perspective on haters, like the haters are not
coming and burn the blogger steaks in our yard. It's
just a blogger. If all we got to be worried
about is a blogger, we are good. That's bob right,
It's funny. But anyway, I don't never forget to live
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Welcome to Reasonably Shady, a production of the Black Effect
Podcast Network and I Heart Radio. Welcome to another episode
of Reasonably Shity. I am just elf Ryan. What's up?
What's up? Everyone? This is Robin Dixon. Thank you for
(00:22):
being here. Yes, thank you, thank Yeah. Everybody should be
like nice and full and happy or mad. We're mad
because they got into a fight with their family, like
happy Thanksgiving exactly like I'm never coming back again. I
love those family moments. I wish I had some like that.
You know what, I actually have had my brother, um
years ago. He would always be good for a moment
(00:44):
like that. Would he likes storm out the house? Um?
Has he ever stormed out? I don't know if he
ever stormed out, but he would make things just very tense. Yes,
n you can cut that into a NiFe monny who
it would like carry over for like months, where like
he stopped talking to people. Oh I love that. Okay.
(01:06):
So as a matter of fact, I want to ask
the folks right now, send us your crazy current like
this just this past Thanksgiving, like family drama over Thanksgiving. Yes,
give us the t we want the story. So like
email that to us. Yes, that would be fun. Yes,
and I've had plenty of those with like Wan's family
when we just yeah, my sister has stormed out a
(01:29):
couple of times. But anyway, or normally and sometimes when
back when I was younger and I had a very
hot temper, it was me really oh yeah, but I
mean I would eat first, of course, a hot temper
I used to Yes, anyway, we're moving on anyway, what
I did, I used to have a very hot I
mean I would get angry very quickly and then just
like say what I had to say I had and
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then I didn't have a filter. Now I have a filter.
I don't get that angry, and I'm a much better person. Yes,
Like at what age did this? These were much one?
So the twenties was like rip roaring yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. I feel like for me, well I think
I've said this, well, I don't know. Sometimes it's still here.
But when once I had kids, I really kind of
(02:11):
like calmed down. Yes, absolutely, I definitely calmed down. Yeah. Yeah, Okay,
what's your shady moment? Any shady moment? I mean, okay,
so I'm talking to you right now on like less
than one hour cumulative of sleep. We're working on fumess
(02:34):
fumes and it is because that one Dixon one what
did he do? Has no consideration for people sleeping? So okay,
he's in his basketball season. His team is going on
a road trip, right, so they're on a two game
road trip, which means they're gonna be gone you know, one, two, three,
probably four, four or five days, right, So you know
(02:57):
he's he always waits till the last minute to pack.
So he comes into the bedroom midnight. Oh, I gotta pack,
but I'm tired. I'm just gonna lay down for a second. Okay,
is that like? Is that? Is that a second code
for something? That code for robbing? You pack my clothes? No, no,
I can't do it. Like he's so particular, like so particular,
(03:17):
so I can't help him there. But he but and
keep this in mind, he had to leave the house
by six am because they were flying out this morning. Right, Okay,
so twelve you haven't packed and you're laying down in
the bed. Not good for a few minutes with you, Okay,
So he sets he sets an alarm, Okay for like
(03:40):
forty five minutes. I don't yeah, I don't even know
what the time was. So, you know, a doze off
and what feels like a few minutes later he was
the alarmed that he's not turned it off. So I'm like,
turn your alarm off, or I'm like, get up. He's like,
all right, just give me a little more, give me
(04:00):
a little more time whatever. A few minutes later, he
doesn't get up. He doesn't get up. I swear the
whole entire night. His alarm went up, like he snoozed
his alarm the entire night we'd have been fighting. Yes,
And I'm like, so, I'm like, can you turn your alarm?
Can you get up? Turn your alarm off? He's he
(04:21):
has a nerve to say, Robin, I'm cool, I said,
but I'm nuts. Yes, you're literally sleeping through this freaking alarm.
Not I'm cool, Like I'm fine, Yes, okay, you don't
not the only one in the room. Sorry, I said,
But I'm not. What then that's right, Actually that's actually
(04:43):
that's actually absurd. But we love so we won't like trash.
It's insane, he said. He had the nerve so so so,
and I'm the type like I can't just fall back
to sleep, you know what I mean. It's like you
if I'm awaken in the middle of the night. It
really takes me a long time to fall back to sleep.
So it's like I will finally fall back to sleep
and then and I'm like, y'all get I would have
(05:06):
rolled up and punched him straight up whatever, smacked the
living daylights out of ham. So then he had the
nerve to say he's like oh, and then of course,
like once he does get up and starts packing, he's
all talking and has the light on, and you know,
the light fine, I put I put a little eye
mask on that ship was annoying, Like I don't really
wear sleep masks, especially because my lashes, you know, the extensions.
(05:28):
That was uncomfortable. So I'm all tossing and turning it.
It's just it's just a mask. It's a mask. Then
on top of that, right, so his um convoluted story.
But my brother in law and the baby, we're here.
Are they still here? No? No um in January? Right,
But he spent the night because my brother in law
(05:50):
was on the coaching staff and they were both going
to the you know, the airport together. But his wife
was on a trip, not coming back till tonight. So
where's the bank? So then I had to wake up
extra early to get the baby ready for daycare. Okay,
this is this is a mess. Okay, so basically you
had thirty minutes of sleep, okay, per the baby, wand
(06:12):
Dixon and your brother in law. This is a which
is And I'm like the whole night, I'm like, oh
my gosh, i gotta work tomorrow. We're going to podcast.
I'm not even gonna know what I'm saying. We got right,
so right now is disclaimer. Whatever comes out of Robin's mouth,
just blame it on the lack of sleep. Okay, I'm
present or extra cranky, yes, blame it on that. Okay,
(06:35):
So let me give you my reasonably shading moment of
the week. Okay, Okay, so you don't have three girls.
They're in high school. This week is spirit week, right,
so every day they have to dress up at something.
So first day, they two days ago, and they participate. Yeah,
full at the whole school, full on participate because it's
(06:55):
like all girls. They all get into it. I'm saying,
the school is all girls, so they getn't they it
into it. A door is the vice president of her class,
so she's like, okay, making sure they're all into She's
like picking the themes. Oh yeah. So theme for the
first day was be your favorite celebrity. Grace decided she
was gonna be this woman and she needed like a
(07:16):
blond wig shot on a shirt that said the Real
Housewives of Potomach. Okay, fine, she was made okay, and
I thought that was so cute, right untold. She started
talking and she was like right on the street and uh, yeah,
that's right, that's that's what I'm talking about. Oh my god.
(07:40):
It was so shady and so horrible. I was so
angry with her. I was like, okay, I've had it,
Like after twenty minutes. I was like, I've had a knife,
and leave my house and stop it. And so like
I'm sure all day long, and then she she would
send me pictures of herself with like her friends all
day and listen, she up that blond wig on her
(08:01):
head all days. She was so excited. And I was like,
if word on the street comes out of your mouth
one more time, we're gonna fight up in here. You
see what you did. You did it, I did it.
You did it. That's hilarius. Okay, wait, so did she
look like you kind of yeah, yeah, kind of sorry.
I mean she out of all three of my kids,
looks the most like me, So yes, I mean she did,
(08:22):
but she was. It was actually nice because she was
so excited to do it. But I think she was
excited to be shape of course, and she came up
with that or she's like, Mommy, I'm gonna be you.
I was like, okay, this is so nice, and then
that thing got she got so do you think she
was she saying that at school to her friends. I'm
sure I am. She said all of her teachers loved it,
(08:46):
like they were. They were excited about it, she said,
even the um an older lady that's like the chairman
of the board. The next day she saw Grace and
she was like, I really liked your costume. You really
look like your mom. Grace was like very happy, so
that I mean, it's nice that she loves me enough
to do it, but she was super shady anyway. But
(09:07):
we have a super exciting special guest to day, y'all
get ready, get ready to get ready to get rud
Who is it? Okay? So, like I said, we have
this super special sing guest on this show, y'all. Okay,
(09:30):
let me give him his his first his credentials. Okay,
so he's a more house grad. He is um a
pastor extraordinaire. Actually, he's the best pastor preacher on the planet,
on the planet, on the planet. Put all your money
on it. I will put all my money on it.
He is. He's actually the senior pastor of New Birth
Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia. He's the only guy
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I've ever married, the only one, Yes, the only one.
And he is the father to all three of my kids.
Do you say he will continue to be the only
one and ever I don't know. Well, we shall see,
but he is. He is the father to all three
of my kids. Y'all know him as passed to Jamal Harrison, right,
he is in the bel ding. What is going on?
Past up? Oh girl robbing answers. I made a promise
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to her about some ice chips. She'll explain. Oh what
is that with the ice chips? He said, when we
get older, he's gonna be the feeding me ice ChiPT.
As I'm laying in the bed like an invalid, he's
feeding me like I don't know if that's a good
is that a compliment? And what is that that's a
high compliment. Yes, that means you are He is with
(10:40):
you forever, forever. Want Look, let me tell you what
Want asked me the other day. It's a little graphic.
He said, are you going to wipe my butts? So
let me say this to you, Robert. Let me say
to this, do you Robin? I wouldn't even have my
feelings hurt to answer to that question. I already know
the answer. That nurse just in five second said, well,
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you're a white man. I mean right, Jamal white mane
you got the ice chip? You just that's that's your limit. Okay,
So we have some first, we have some get to
know you rapid fire questions. Are you ready? I'm ready?
Tupac Are Biggie Big Fantasia or Jennifer Hudson Fantasia, Kobe
(11:29):
Bryant or Michael Jordan's I gotta go to Michael Christmas
or Thanksgiving? Christmas? Atlanta or Baltimore? What you got? Who's listening?
(11:50):
Everyone's listening. Baltimore in Atlanta are listening. Yes, yeah, I'm
with Atlanta. Okay, you're in Atlanta? Okay? Reasonable or shady?
Mm hmm? Reasonable? Okay, you're lying? Do you agree with that.
I don't. I don't agree with that because I just
want y'all to know I've known this man for a
very long time. Half of my shadiness I get from
Jamal Bryant's in the other half from your dad from
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her day, right, her dad is the black sign fell
and drive you. But he's gonna shank you in the shower,
not shake you in the shower. And leave my dad
out of this. First and foremost. You know you you
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are a preacher extraordinaire and you like say whatever it
is that you feel, it's in your heart or on
your mind, and sometimes that allows for the haters to
hate on you because you know you stand on whatever
it is that you believe. So over the years, you know,
Rob and I feel like I mean, obviously we we
have a whole lot of hate that comes our way.
(12:58):
The evolution of hate ration, Okay, because before social media, um,
and I know I can speak from experience with just
being around you. You know, you would get hate in
the streets of Baltimore by other preachers. You know, you
were like the golden child. Your your church was growing
by leaps and bounds, and there's wasn't so how do
how do you deal with haters? Then the evolution of hating,
(13:21):
and then like the social media hate of it all. Yeah.
John Maxwell said this rapping that if you want to
be like to sell ice cream, uh, that anything that
you do outside of that is going to be controversial.
And we have gotten to a place where we think
to be famous to be successful, it's anonymous with being adored.
(13:45):
Reality is there is nobody in public space who doesn't
get there without critique. And so whether you're dealing with
politics or an athlete or an entertainer or a preacher,
if you put yourself off from uh. Dr King said, uh,
if you're up front and nobody is kicking your behind,
you're really not leading. So I think it's really the
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litmus tests of finding out who your value is. Did
you did you always feel that way or did you
have to Did you have to develop that? No, it's
perrier water. It is an acquired taste. Um, it is shocking.
Cornell West said, the most painful thing you'll ever do
(14:31):
is be hated on by people you love. Uh. And
so to go through the blows is not robbing white
supremacists threatened you. It ain't people from the tea party.
Who's actually is people who you're trying to represent on
a global stage. Uh. And you're doing it and you're
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not working. You're doing it and you're not being vulgar profane.
You're raising your children, loving your husband, doing what it
is that I deal of our people. And then you've
got to fight through what James Baldwin call survivor is guilt.
You are made to feel bad because you do well. Uh.
And it really just shows how toxic many of our
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people think. Damn that is good, right, Okay, So but Jamal,
do you feel like something like so you feel like
we get the we as in as in the black
community gets the most hate from the black community. It
just hurts the most. Oh, no doubt about it. Yeah.
The old thing is that hurt people, hurt people. Uh.
(15:38):
And I heard a quote this way. Haters are people
who don't know how to say they love you. So
a lot of people hate you really want to do
a lot of people hate you. I want to take
your place, And so you've got to see what is
their level of brokenness. You opened up just I'll talk
about they hated you because your church is growing in
the is not and a lot of people we attack
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who we should be learning from. So instead of beating
me up, aye, Jamal, how did you do this? But
we're not used to mentorship, we're not used to legitimate friendships.
Really the straight bullets of social media that when I
followed you on Facebook, I'm called a friend. You did
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not friend me, you followed me, and it has reduced
what is the value of what real friendship is? Wow? Like,
you know, I can't say that because because we've talked
a lot about how you and I both deal with
social media and just hate and just it just rolls
off our back. I I want to say that I
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got from Jamal just just being with him when he
was first starting out and and um pastoring his church
and just all the negativity that would come his way.
He just didn't care at all, Like it just didn't
affect him. And I appreciate it because you know, he
would just keep it moving and be greater and greater
(17:07):
every Sunday. He was just greater than the next Sunday.
So thank you, sir, you gave me a little something
something out here in the streets. No, let me say
to you, Gazelle one in that vein, how proud of you.
I am, and I don't mean that in any condescending way.
My greatest fear when you went on the reality television
(17:27):
was how were you going to be able to handle
that level of scrutiny and attack. And you've done it,
uh in a very graceful fashion that in many ways
I have been surprised about. But Gizelle and I Robin
met uh not in church but working in the n
double a CP. So the people who I looked up
(17:48):
to were dr King, was Malcolm X, was Adam Clayton
Powell who was speaking out and Gazelle. Look at the
contrast um their haters is burning crosses in their front yard,
was shooting at their wife. All I got to deal
with is a blogger gets light mparrassing to the people
(18:13):
who I look up to and what they had been
or you know, I wasn't coming to you, Grace Angel
the door black, Hey, we gotta leave at midnight the
blog because it was just it's just the reality of
the space that we did. This is the safest hour
as a civil rightsy leader to be hater. If the
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only thing that you got to be afraid of is
a keyboard, I can't and I'll take it okay. So
on that vein, Um, I think the whole world saw
your takedown of Hershel Walker, like the beginning of your
sermon and what you talked about Hershel Walker and the
fact that we don't need him. That thing went viral. Um.
(18:56):
Andy Cohen saw it, He texts me at eight'clock in
the morning. I didn't think the n listen to a
black preacher. Um, you're probably the first black preacher and
he has ever listened to. Where was it replayed for
him to get ahold of that? Who God only God
only knows. Georgia, I need you to know the slave
nickro j you'll not used to don't live here no more.
(19:19):
We can't think for ourself, function for ourself, and vote
for self. Why because we don't need a walker. Hey,
that was amazing, jamal Um. That's that's you know, typical
best preacher in the whole planet. That's what he does.
But but now that we have not one in in Georgia,
(19:43):
are you frustrated with the fact that herscher Walker and
Warnock they gotta run again? Yeah? No, I'm frustrated, but
I'm excited the people of Georgia have done it before.
When Raphael first got elected, we had to go to
a runoff because gell different from Maryland. You don't win
(20:05):
in Georgia because you have the highest amount of votes.
You have to have fifty plus one percent. Uh. So
Raphael had over I think fifty thousand more votes. Uh.
And so I think that people are really mobilized. One
thing about black people, Uh, they feel like there's a fight.
They're coming to watch it. So I think that people
(20:27):
are mobilized. And it were just unearthed yesterday that if
Juan hypothetically gave to herschel Walker's campaign a hundred dollars,
only ten of it went to herschel Walker. Ninety of
those dollars went to Trump. Isn't it just hit the
press today, Uh, that he wasn't even getting his money.
(20:48):
So they've been pump pimping him at a level that
herschel Walker didn't even know. Wow, speaking speaking to Trump,
you know, he just decided he was gonna run again.
Don't you want to like seeing the for frozen? Let go,
let it go, Let it go, let it go. I mean,
I just feel like there's no wind in his sales.
(21:10):
I think that it's a rap and he's the only
one that doesn't know it. No, I think he is
a gift to the Democratic Party because it slows down
everybody else who was a Republican who was thinking about running,
because he is such a megalomaniac and his ego makes
him delusional about facts. That's how the midterms didn't go
(21:34):
in the way that the Republicans thought, because these were
all Trump candidates. And so I think him saying in
the race is going to lower the money for the
Republicans and lower the enthusiasm of that base. Yeah, but
it will keep me entertained. I will say that. I
can I tell you, without Trump on my TV screen
(21:55):
every day, I didn't have as much to laugh about.
This is very true. I am looking forward to Yes. Yes,
And if you didn't see the Jamal takedown of Hershel Walker,
just google it child get your entire life. Now, let's
let's staying on that. On that topic, I think it's
the one thing and one advantage about uh Warnock and
Walker running again is that now we can focus all
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of our attention on bringing attention to that very important
race in Georgia. So you know, we were here Maryland,
We're pushing for our Maryland candidates. But we can tell
everybody you know repeatedly to vote for Warnock because I mean,
I don't even who in their right mind can check
off a box for herschel walkers like I do. I
just that is the most instant Georgia. Yes, this guy
(22:43):
can't conjugate a bird. It's just it's pathetic. I listen.
I was listening to him the other day and I
was like, I cannot believe that this is reality. But
now at least we can focus all of our attention
on making sure he does not get elected. Okay, moving, So,
Jamal and I have three beautiful daughters, Grace, angel Anna Door. Um.
(23:05):
I love them so much and I'm actually proud of
my kids, Like I think that they are amazing. They
are beautiful, amazing, respectful, they are kind, they are Um,
I just learned. I learned this morning. Um, Jamal, I
don't know if you if you know this, that Grace
takes a class right now currently that is like I
don't know what it's called, but it's like she helps
(23:29):
students with special needs. So but the class is about
like her tutoring them and her helping them. And I
felt like at her age. If I were when I
was her age, There's no way in hell that I
would have the patience to do something like that. I
credit Jamal. I think she got her patience from you.
(23:49):
You know, Jamal is very compassionate and he's he has
a gift for just giving and service. So thank you
you gave that to Grace because she is. I saw
her interact with one of the young ladies that go
to school has with specialties, and Grace was just like
so amazing. So I give you. I give you all that,
Mr Bryant. Now, um, I feel like we're able to
(24:15):
co parent very well. I'm gonna toot my own horn
a little bit and say that. You know, when Jamal
and I were first getting a divorce, I decided that
however mad I was at him was not as important
as him being in my kid's life. Absolutely, what would
you think is our our greatest gift to our kids? Jamal?
(24:38):
We're number one. You are an amazing mother, uh And
I am eternally indebted for the incredible way that you
have modeled in front of our girls. And I don't
want people to think we've just arrived here. This was
not an easy road to get to wed is that
we are we are intentional about doing family counseling with
(25:05):
the girls, uh and with Giselle and I because he
was here Rashima for a minute, but were it was,
but we were really committed for the sake of the
girls on how it is that we will modeled um
before each other. So we've been divorced with twelve years,
(25:28):
a lot of a long time, but he's still here.
He's twelve years and in twelve years, I could only
think of one major blow up that we've had with
the girls present. And I'm just thankful on the God
on uh that you have been mindful of my presence
(25:49):
and how it is that you have navigated co parenting
long distance, which is a whole different all the wax,
but it's been great and so every day as mother's
and that's really why I'm nice to you. Okay, I
appreciate that. And this is for people that are going
through a divorce right now, I um said to Jamal,
(26:11):
because Jamal travels a lot. You know, I don't know
what your your calendar and your schedule is now, but
at the time Jamal would be booked a year out
for you know, going around the world. He's he's a
preacher international. He wants me to say that he's a
globe trotting preacher. Um. And I knew because of his
schedule that he couldn't have a consistent schedule with the
(26:33):
girl like he we couldn't do every other weekend or
anything like that. So I said to him, look, anytime
it is has something, anytime there is a moment that
has something to do with the girls, if it's a vacation,
if it's a dinner, if it's or whatever, you are invited, okay, um.
And so I always left the window open for him
(26:53):
to jump in whenever he could, and and he does.
He jumps in all the time. That's beautiful. I mean, unfortunately,
so many relationships are they can't get along and they
can't look at the bigger picture, which is the children
when they go through a divorce. And so I definitely
think you all are an example for so many people
in this world, because people hold on the bitterness and
(27:15):
anger and it's like, you know, it's just like you
just gotta let that go and look at the big picture,
which is the kids. I love my kids more than
I will ever be mad at that. Man. And now
I'm not mad at him, no more so anty way. Okay,
so a couple of things, oh he said this week.
(27:37):
You know, Jamal is good about not bragging on himself,
but there's a little bragg I want to do you
feed the community. When the COVID first started, new Birth
was very intentional about feeding the community. You have fed
how many I'm saying it wrong, You have done how many?
How many? So in the in the pandemic, we started
(27:58):
giving out grow trees that saying. And uh, just a
month ago we hit one million families that we give
groceries to in the last few years. And it is
great and it is embarrassing to know that food insecurity
is that dire. And we're just talking about one metropolitan area.
(28:19):
For Thanksgiving, we're given our five thousand turkeys. Uh. While
that sounds good in one way, in another way, it's
saying that it has to be done. Yeah. Now we
said one million groceries two years, families, one million families,
one million bags of groceries in two years. Yeah, that's
(28:44):
fantast that's I remember when I was when we were
married and I was the first lady of the Parami Temple.
Um the Women's Ministry that look, you know what, I
know my next question, the Women's ministry would decided tomorrow
has his hands over his face, right, it's covering his face.
We decided to feed as many families as we could
(29:06):
and literally go to their house, knock on the door
and give them the food. So I had like a
bus I had security. I was pregnant the time with
one of them kids I have and um, and I
was going knocking on doors. So it's like I was
in the hood of Baltimore knocking on doors. You did
not know what was gonna open the door. All kinds
of things was opening the door as I was. Yes,
(29:29):
I mean obviously we were blessing them, but it was
such a blessing to me to be able to give
them what the Church gave them. And for me, like
they would invite me in. It would be like a
weed infestive smelling house, and they would invite me in,
and I would pray with him a little bit and
I would say Happy Thanksgiving. But we made sure that
we gave them food from Thanksgiving to Christmas. Wow, so right,
(29:50):
enough food for for to last at least a month.
So yes, as that's what I did as first lady
at a pome that it's fantastic. So look, speaking of
Gazelle being first lady at Empowerment Temple, tell us, jamalro
how was gall as a first lady? There's a pause.
(30:11):
No, no no, no, So Gazelle was not a Mother Teresa
first lady. Hit her head. She was a Michelle Obama
first lady. Yes, yes, she was coming in waving Abama
before I was not waving to the it she was.
(30:34):
She was the Black Princess due. She did a great job. Okay, well,
while we're on that that note, she did our first
women's conference. Yes, um, she did a whole lot of mentoring.
A lot of the young girls came to her from
mentoring a lot of the young ladies who had come
to Baltimore to go to either Copping or Morgan really
(30:57):
pulled on her. She wrote a whole lot of a
k letters half for the Aks in Baltimore, letters from Gazelle. Listen,
I was the bomb, okay even back then. Now now
I want to say, there's some things that I missed
not being married to Jamal Bran Okay, okay, which is
one of the things I used to complain about. I
(31:19):
think I now message. Okay, So you know, like I said,
Jamal travels a lot, so he would have to get
his his suits and his ties and his shirts together
before he would go on his trips. So he would
always be like, wake me up out of my sleep.
Now you want to be sleep, and when you sleep,
leave me alone. But he would wake me up, turn
(31:40):
on all the lights. He would say, Gazelle, does this
suit go with this time? But does this shirt go
with this tie? In this suit? Okay, wait a minute,
wait a minute, wait a minute, let me get three
other ties. Okay, these three ties go with this five shirts.
I mean it was like, so you missed this. Now
I'm just saying, Robert, she's as given you half her store.
(32:02):
What she misses that I was picking her clothes out,
That's what she misses. When I was picking her clothes
out robbing. She wasn't in no blog only time when
I don't pick it out. Oh my god. Okay, the
same we brought us off robing. I need you to
(32:23):
be robbing. You gotta be up with was my first
stylist of truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, robbing.
When I first met you, where did I meet you.
You met me at the where did I first meet you? Rob? Yes?
It as Sacks, yes, true, yes, Sacks yes, yes. So
(32:48):
she does not miss picking out my ties. She misses
me dressing her. That's what she's not going to give
confession to. Okay, this is this is a breaking moment. Yes,
Jamal Bryant was my first style list really, yes, okay
my last right and you're only my only yes. Okay.
(33:08):
See that was one of my One of my questions
for Jamaal was how does he go about picking his
outfits out? Because you know, you look nice and sharp now,
but I've seen sometimes you have, like, you know, a
pink tie and a pink silky shirt. Talking about them
Detroit Player suits you had, Okay, you had some plenty
of Detroit Player suits. Do you do you have a tailor,
and you're just like, give me one and every color,
(33:32):
give me everything, in every color, in every print, what
the shade is coming. It's a work in progress. So
when I was at U Detroit, uh, that's when I
started wearing gagos So when I met Gazelle, I had
different color gators for every suit. Gazelle threw my gauges out,
(33:53):
so I've tried to purge. I've tried to purge that
parton and walk backwards. So it's a working progress, yes,
But I mean they were like, they were like, it's
like a whole green suit with the matching green Gators
orange suits with that matching. He had this one white leather.
(34:14):
They weren't ready. It's definitely not ready. I don't know
you were killing him, but they weren't ready. White leather,
trench coade. I couldn't wait for him to go on
a trip leather. I do that thing in the trash.
I said, I can't do this. It was like you
ain't never no, no, no, I was ahead of my time.
(34:35):
White leather cause, um okay, So where is that? I
threw it in the trash? Can Jamal Bryant's It's gone? Okay?
That thing probably costs fourteen th dollars. It is gone.
I couldn't take it. Um But no, I feel like
you have come a long way and I love you.
(34:57):
Do you do rock the dashiki situation? Sometimes that's see
you on the Instagram? Um? So, so do you like dashiki?
A suits? Get you a man that could do both?
Did you a man that can do both? Is that
what he said. But to answer your question, he has
tailors upon Taylors upon Taylors. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, I
believe that. Yes see, I'm not a really good cook,
(35:19):
so I'm not. I don't I didn't really wine and
Dinna jamal by my home cooking. Right, But what is
your favorite part of robbing? Let me tell you that robbing, robbing.
I gotta tell you this. You know what our first
fight was in marriage? What was that? I have no idea.
When are you going to the supermarket? You didn't know
(35:44):
before robbing she was coming back with chips and started
getting the home cooked meals to the girls. Was oh
my god. Okay, but yeah, in my defense, in my defense,
amount you like to go to restaurants to eat, you
(36:05):
like to do that, but when we're sitting in the
same house, you gotta go down the state. Robin, this
is two thousand one, no uber eating. No, there was
no brother. This is the one just got off a
motor rolling two way pages something. Okay, this was actually
gonna be my last question to you, and and we
(36:25):
might finish it just for what he just said. But anyway, okay,
so what was the best part about being married to Chisel,
because you're the only person on this planet that has
been married to me. There's a reason there would be
a whole another show. Give it to you. No, no, no,
(36:48):
just Zell pushed me to be better. And she's the
only one out out of my parents who has spoken
into my life to really push me to go to
another the level I preached UM at a conference at
my home church one day and I thought I killed
that John. I mean, I thought Star Wars The Force
(37:09):
was with and Giselle. We got in a car and
Giselle was like, you have really stopped growing? Do you
really think this the best that you can do? I
was high level offended, but it really seriously but didn't
really go to another point. And then when uh, this
herschel Walker video went virable, I saw Giselle maybe a
(37:33):
week after that, and she said, this is your vein.
Why did you leave that? You need to stay in
what it is that you're good at and be your best.
And a lot of people, uh don't really have authentic
friends that can push you to be better. Uh. And
so the thing that I value about Giselle, She's always
(37:53):
pushed me to be better, even if she's pushing me
over the cliff without a parachute. Okay, we're gonna leave
it at that. That was such a nice way to end.
I want everybody know Jamal Bryant is one of my
favorite people on earth. Oh that's nice. Yes, one of
my favorite people on earth. Don't do that because not
(38:13):
one of not one of Don't that. You're not the
I have that. Don't do that. Don't do that because
rapping is sitting now, you're okay, I have I have
Grace Angel and they're my favorite people. Jali, it's okay.
I can say that you you are in the top five. Okay,
a favorite people. But I have three kids, I have
(38:38):
three kids, three kids. I have two parents. I have
three kids. I have two parents. Yes, so you you
beat out one parent. Yeah, good jeez. Anyway, thank you
for letting me come on the show. Yes, and we're
gonna send you a reasonably sad shady sweatshirt. We would
like to you for you to wear it Sunday morning church.
(39:00):
We want to see us represented as you preach the
Gospel of the Lord. Wouldn't that be beautiful? I'm aware
from Bible study. Okay, thanks, Okay, on that now we
will we will let you go. We know that you're
very busy. Love you to death, not Rob, but I'm
gonna speak for myself. Love you to death, Jamal Bryant.
Thank you, Jamal, it's been a pleasure. It has been
(39:24):
a pleasure. We appreciate your work in the community and
we do miss you up. That was actually that was
my last question. So Jamal did um he took me
around the world, like we went to Egypt with Greece,
we went to here, Africa, we went to Why didn't
you take me to Wakanda? Like what in our relationship
didn't allow you to take me to Wakanda. I couldn't
(39:44):
find the flight. Had I found the flight showed you
would have been there. Okay, that's gonna be our next trip.
He's taking me to get some I got to get
my vibranika, all right, and goodbye. Thank you, Jamal. Oh
my gosh, that's your ma. Brian is a man. Yeah,
(40:07):
I would say, um, you definitely probably get about thirty
you shadiness from him, no forty. Yes, he's extremely shady. Yeah, yeah,
but but people don't know how shady he is. Right, Yeah,
it's funny. He's a I was going to talk about
this while we were on Jamal reads like a book
a week, so he's very smart. He's very well read.
(40:32):
He loves using his big words. But then he also
has like a just a comedic side to him, which
is which is nice too. It's a nice balance. But
that makes for a great pastor. Yeah, you know, because
you want to You don't want to sit there and
just be bored. Gonna be entertained as well. This is
true to get the word and be entertained. So that's awesome.
So that was But I appreciate him taking time out
(40:52):
of his busy day to talk to us, and I
appreciate his perspective on haters, like the haters are not
coming and burn the blogger steaks in our yard. It's
just a blogger. If all we got to be worried
about is a blogger, we are good. That's bob right,
It's funny. But anyway, I don't never forget to live
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your life either reasonable or shady. We're both reasonably shady.
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