Travel Tips, Online Privacy & Nintendo Switch 2 Preview

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nintendo sets a date and price for the switch to.
TikTok gets another deadline extension. Zell is shutting down its app,
but if you're using it through your bank, you're probably fine.
And how to remove yourself from the Internet for free?
Plus your tech questions answered? What's going on? I'm Rich

(00:24):
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contact richontech dot tv hit contact. All Right, we got

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a full, full lineup of guests this week. Matt Swider
from the shortcut dot com is going to join to
talk about his hands on time with the Nintendo switch to.
Then we've got Cloaked co founder and CEO Arjun Botnauger.
He's going to join me to share tips and insights.
I'm protecting your personal information and online privacy. And later

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Joel Santo Domingo of The Wirecutter is going to break
down mesh networking, what it is, why you need it,
and the best systems to buy well. It is a
spring break and also summer travel coming up, so I've
been getting a lot of questions about how to travel
with your current phone plan or your current phone but

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avoid all of those roaming charges, especially internationally. Now this
has gotten a lot easier over the years. I remember
the first time I ever went to Japan, I was
without a phone for basically the moment I got off
the plane to the moment I got to my hotel
room a couple hours later. It was a long, long

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train ride, and it was so frustrating. I thought I
had done the right things. I thought I had the
plan figured out. I did not, and it was tough.
Now I ended up getting over it, but in the
meantime I said that would never happen again. And so
here are my tips for making sure that you can
stay connected without coming back home to a giant bill.

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So number one, I think the easiest thing to do
is to stick to your current plan. So if you
have a major carrier, that's AT and T, Verizon, T Mobile.
They all offer these international day passes. So if you
just want your phone to work the way that it
works in the States, just use that. That's going to
be twelve dollars a day for AT and T and Verizon.

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That lets you keep your phone your same phone number.
Let's you use your data. You don't get a ton
of data in most instances, but you'll get enough to
get you through what you need for the most part.
But that's going to be very pricey. So T Mobile
a lot of their plans actually include free international data,
but the speeds might not be as fast as you're

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used to at home. You can pay them to have
faster speeds. Now, if you're on one of those fifty
five plus plans, a lot of those I checked do
not include international data. They might include international texting when
you're overseas, but the data might not be included. So
number one, be sure to check what your plan offers
and what you have. Now here's a little trick. If

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you're on one of those very expensive unlimited plans. We're
talking like the ninety dollars a month plan, A lot
of the carriers give you what's called a free roaming day,
and they sort of bank. So even some of the
smaller carriers do this, but if you're on a pricey plan,
you may be banking international days. So if you check
your little account, go on the app, go on the website,

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it may say, hey, you have five free days of roaming.
I mean, if you're going on a five day trip,
six day trip, that might be just enough and that
won't cost you a thing. So that's my number one
tip is to either look online, call your carrier, check
your plans, see what's already included, and see how much
it costs to just use what you have. If you're
just going on a short trip, three day trip overseas,

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maybe that twelve dollars a day isn't so bad, right,
thirty six dollars still very expensive, but it's going to
be very easy to do that. So that's number one. Now,
if you have one of these mv and o's right
mobile virtual network operator. They go by the names like
Mint Mobile, Consumer, Cellular, Visible, Google Fi. A lot of
those carriers, some of them may not include the international roaming,

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but a lot of them are adding it as an
add on, So It used to be the big delineation
for those mv and o's was you didn't pay very much,
but you didn't get a lot of the extra perks.
But nowadays they're starting to add some of these perks
to the plan, and it's getting tougher and tougher to
differentiate between the big, pricey plans and these smaller carriers
with these great unlimited plans. So if you have one

(05:14):
of these mv and o's, really double check to see
what's included and if you're able to add international roaming
to that plan, because sometimes you can, sometimes you can't,
Like I know, Mint Mobile just added it. So that's
another way. Google Fi, by the way, a lot of
their plans at a lot of people like Google Fi
because you can pretty much go all over the world
and it's included in your roaming fees. Okay, or I

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guess your roaming is included without additional fees, I should say.
Now here's the second thing. You've probably heard of these,
but they're called eSIMs, and electronic sims are a great
money saving option because eSIMs basically let you install a
temporary wireless plan on the phone that you already have
no physical sim card necessary. It used to be when
you landed in a country, you would buy the physical

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SIM card, pop yours out, pop this one in and
you can be on your way. Now you can do
this right from your phone. You download an app. I've
tried a Relo, AI R A l O. I like
them a lot. I've used them in various countries. I've
tried gig Sky gig Sky and they offer a free
one hundred megabyte plan, and then you've got one that's
called Saley and they also are sort of up and coming.

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So those are three good places to start. But there
are many many eSIM providers out there, so just do
your research, make sure that it's reputable. But what you're
going to do is download that app here, buy your eSIM,
and then you will activate it. Basically right when you
hit the ground, you'll activate that. Now, keep in mind
most eSIMs are data only, so before you travel, make

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sure you enable Wi Fi calling and texting in your
phone settings. That way, even if you're on data only,
you should be able to get your phone calls through
Wi Fi and your texts through Wi Fi calling and texting.
You're wondering does my phone support eSIMs? These have been
around for a while now, even though you might not
have used it or might not be familiar with it.

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iPhone ten, R, ten S or newer, they all have
eSIMs enabled. Samsung Galaxy AS twenty and later all have eSIMs.
And the neat thing about an eSIM is usually your
phone can support several of them at once. So even
if your primary carrier is on an eSIM, which you know,
Apple's been doing this for a long time in their stores,
They've been activating eSIMs on the iPhone, you can still

(07:29):
add a second SIM, maybe up to like eight eSIMs
on your phone. It just depends on your phone model. Now,
the main thing you have to check is to make
sure your phone is not locked to your carrier. So
a lot of times these cell phone plans, the big plans,
they don't want you using an eSIM because guess what,
they're a lot more affordable and they want you to

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pay more, so they lock your phone to them only
their network. So if you have rise in AT and T,
sometimes you're not able to install an eSIM. So if
you're on an iPhone, you can go in your Settings
General about and look under carrier lock and see if
it says no SIM restrictions, and if you see that,
you're good to go. If it says lock to your carrier,
you're not good to go. On Android, you can go

(08:11):
to a website called imeicheck dot com and you can
type in the secret code from your phone, the Imei code,
which is kind of the universal code for your your
Android phone, and it will tell you if that's locked
to your carrier. I tested it this morning. It does work.
I tried it with a couple different phones. It'll tell
you if it's locked or not. Now, if you're using

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an a SIM, you might want to turn off roaming
to avoid any surprise charges. Because even if you leave
your other eSIM on your standard carrier, that may still
activate when you fly to another country. So be very
careful and turn off roaming if you want to avoid
any sort of surprise charges when you come back home. Now,
if you're thinking rich, this all sounds very complicated. I

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feel like I don't know, I don't really understand this.
I feel like I'm gonna be hit with all these charges.
The cheapest option is to go old school, and that
is to use airplane mode and turn off your cellular
So turn basically you can turn on your airplane mode.
But then when you have your airplane mode on, which
is going to disable your cellular you could just turn
your Wi Fi on and then just hop around to

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hotspots around the city. Now hotspots have gotten a lot easier,
a lot more prevalent in various countries and cities, so
you should be able to find something where you're going.
You may not have coverage the whole time, but at
least you can go to like a cafe or your
hotel and still have coverage, check your messages, and get
to the next place safely. There is an app, a
Wi Fi map app that you can download and you

(09:37):
can help locate free networks on there, so wi fimap
dot io that will also give you the passwords for
a lot of places. I was actually since I installed
this app to test it out, I was at a
place that had free Wi Fi and I said, Hey,
do you want to submit the Wi Fi password for
us to share with other folks? And I said, sure,
why not? I mean it's printed on the you know,
the page in the in the little waiting room I

(09:59):
was in, so not, so you can submit your information
to that app and sort of crowdsource that data and
help other folks as well. Now the trick is someone
emailed me and they said, hey, Rich, well wait a second,
what if I don't have data, how do I get
the information on that Wi Fi app? And I said, oh,
that's they've thought of that. So you can pay the
Wi Fi app to download all the Wi Fi information

(10:20):
for an area. So if you're going to a city
like Rome or something, you can download all that information.
And then of course once you're there, you can use
WhatsApp or other messaging apps like Telegram if you want
to make calls, chats video, just make sure your friends
have that installed as well. And my other tip turn
off your automatic backups on things like your photos and
your cloud, your cloud apps, anything that's going to automatically

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back up data in the background or use a lot
of data in the background, your music, your YouTube, your Netflix.
Make sure those are set to Wi Fi only. That
way they don't gobble up all your data. And finally,
one other good tip download offline maps before you go.
Google Maps and Apple Maps support this, so if you're
going to a city, be sure to download the offline

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maps in Google Maps or Apple Maps. It's very easy
to do. You can find all of these instructions on
my website. Rich on Tech dot TV. All right, eight
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(11:33):
Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich DeMuro here hanging
out with you, talking technology at triple eight Rich one
oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four to two
four one zero one. Phone lines are open. Website is
open rich on Tech dot TV. There you can get
notes to anything I talk about. Mentioned international travel. We

(11:54):
know that real ID deadline is coming up. I think
it's May seventh. You gotta get your drivers license upgraded.
But I'm in this weird world where both my driver's
license and my passport expire this summer. So there could
be a scenario where if I don't get these things renewed,
I'm not able to travel even domestically, because you can
use your passport to travel domestically even if you don't

(12:17):
have the real ID. So that's my current plan right now.
So I went online. I don't know if you know
you can do this, but you can renew your passport
now completely online. And so I did that, and the
process was very easy as long as your passport sort
of meets the requirements. And it was like one hundred
and thirty dollars I think to renew my passport. But
I did it all online, took maybe fifteen minutes. The

(12:39):
trickiest part is taking the picture, because you take your
own passport picture, so you have to enlist a friend
because you can't take a selfie. This is not like
you know, the social media world, but you can take
your own picture. You got to stand in front of
some sort of like you know, I think it's like
a white background, neutral background, can't smile. But they give
you a whole bunch of example online of what the

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picture looks like for your passport and so you basically
can take it with your smartphone. So, uh, Bobo looks
like he has a question about this? Are you you're
you're wondering about this? You have the Samsung Ultra. Yes,
you could have just took it yourself with the pin.
No you can't anymore, Are you serious? No? They took
that feature away. Yeah, that the new So it's so

(13:24):
funny you say it because that was my initial thing. Now,
of course, you could set a timer, and I did.
I tried it on the tripod and all that stuff.
It doesn't work. You gotta have a friend take it
because you want it to be eye level. But yes,
the new phone, the S twenty five Ultra, they took
the bluetooth out of the pen and so you can't
use it as a little remote control anymore. Why would
they do That's as far as I know. Now you're

(13:45):
now you have me second guessing this. Let me test
this since I have it right here. Yeah, no, you cannot.
You cannot press it anymore.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
There.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
It used to be the pen and you can still
do it. On the older models, the stylists would act
as a little bluetooth remote control. And yeah, they took
that away on the latest one. Let's go to Lynn
in Marietta, California. Lynn, you're on with Rich.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I'm getting messages that say text messages on my phone
that say Hi, it's AT and T. On June seventeenth,
twenty twenty five, will stop supporting email to text messages.
That means you won't be able to send a text
message to an AT and T customer from an email address.
And I get this when I send, for example, a

(14:28):
photo I've taken on my phone to my laptop because
I want to do something with that photo on my laptop.
What is this about and what's the workaround?

Speaker 1 (14:39):
So back in the day when when texting first started,
there was like a little hack where you could literally
email to text. So and all a lot of the carriers,
I think they all supported it. But it looks like
AT and T as of June seventeenth, is discontinuing the
ability to send through email. So it used to be
you could put your phone number, let's to say, three

(15:00):
one oh five FI five one two one two at
text txt dot att dot net or at MMS dot
att dot net. So you could literally turn your phone
number into an email address and you would receive that
as a text message. They are taking that ability away.
Now ninety nine point nine percent of people don't do

(15:20):
this anymore, so they don't really need that feature. So
for you, you're saying that sometimes you do what you
send a photo to your phone through your computer through email,
the reverse.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
I send a photo I've taken on my phone to
my computer. But I think they're just based on what
you just said, maybe they're just broadcasting this to anyone
and everyone, because that's not the scenario of me sending
a photo from my phone to my email address.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
No exactly. So this is this is like if I
wanted to send you a text message from my computer
email system, I would address it to your phone number,
and you have AT and T and it would it
would come through you to your text message.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
But again, email to text means that literally not the
converse of text to.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Email exactly, So you should be fine. Yeah, and by
the way, if you ever want to send something simply
on your own network, there's a great app called local
Send localsend dot org. So if you're trying to do
like cross platform devices like an iPhone to a Windows
computer or you know, Android to a Mac computer, local

(16:29):
send is great. The other one that's really great is
file dot Pizza. File dot pizza lets you transfer stuff
right from your web browser. That's a good one. And
then there's one called pair Drop pair drop dot net.
You just go to that website on both devices and
you can drag and drop files. So three easy ways

(16:50):
to drag and drop files. I get it. Apple users
have air drop. They all love air drop, but air
drop is not so good if you are trying to
send from an iPhone to a Windows computer or from
an Android to a Mac computer. So we need some
of these other ways to do it. And thankfully you
know you can email yourself. You can text yourself if

(17:10):
you've got I message. There's so many ways to exchange
things nowadays, but local send, file, pizza, and pair drop
are all three easy ways to exchange files. All right,
Coming up, we are going to talk about the Nintendo
switch To. We've got details on pricing and availability with
our pal Matt Swider. Coming up next, Welcome back to

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rich on Tech. Rich DeMuro here hanging out with you,
talking technology at Triple eight Rich one oh one. That's
eight eight eight seven four to two four one zero one.
We'll get back to the phone lines in just a moment.
Website for the show Richontech dot TV if you want
links to anything I mentioned. We're going to talk Nintendo

(18:00):
switch To. Joining me now is Matt Swider. He is
editor in chief of the shortcut dot com, great website
newsletter all filled with like consumer tips and reviews and
all kinds of great stuff. So check it out. Matt.
You went hands on with the switch too, huh?

Speaker 4 (18:17):
I did the brand new Nintendo console. It's coming out
June fifth, and it is a significant upgrade if you
were still, you know, carrying around that original Nintendo, that
Nintendo switch that's eight years old at this point, so
it's due for an upgrade. And I got early access,
hands on time with it, and the thing I love

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about it is the screen.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's a lot bigger.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
It's seven point nine inches and you think back the
original switch with six point two inches, so it feels
you feel every single extra pixel that's on there. Ten
ADP instead of seven to twenty P. It can be
four K if you plug it into a doc that
you know it does four K on a TV, so
that is great. It's LCD technology, so it's not like

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the switch O Lead, which seems like a downgrade. But
that extra extra resolution HDR one hundred twenty frames per second,
that makes a difference. And it's very bright, so that's
really important. It's not like the technology from eight years ago.
So significant upgrade on the screen, all right.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
But that just tells me they're going to have an
O LED version down the line, of course, because they
refreshed the original switch throughout the years with like little
improvements here and there, but this is like the real
big improvement the switch too, So June fifth, four hundred
and fifty dollars. Were you surprised at that price tag?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
You know what I was?

Speaker 4 (19:41):
It was fifty dollars more than anybody expected, and now
that the US tariffs are are in place, people are
unsure if it's even going to be that much, it
could increase, so they delayed the pre order.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
That's like the big news.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
So it's a you know, the pre orders are supposed
to go live on April ninth, and everybody's waiting for
that moment because it could sell out for delivery on
day one. But now it's delayed indefinitely. The release date's
still delayed. Just to be clear, the release date is
still June fifth.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
But why do you think they're delaying the prutors because
they don't know the price tag yet that they're going
to settle on.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
I think that's why they didn't make the price tag announcement.
Even during the presentation that had a video presentation that
was online, they didn't even mentioned price. They just said,
you know, go to the website and eventually we saw
four fifty. And now I think it's you know, they
they're giving themselves a wiggle room just in case tariffs
do affect the console price. That on their end, so

(20:40):
they they want that wiggle room. I also think they're
hoping that that's, you know, part of a negotiation tactic
maybe something like that. But the games are going to
be as much as eighty dollars for some of the games,
Mario Kart World.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Digitally will be eighty dollars. It'll be ninety if you
buy it.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Oh my gosh, that is wilds it used to be.
I mean these games were like, what fifty, and then
they became sixty. Now we're up to ninety dollars. So
if you actually buy the bundle, which is five hundred dollars,
let's say these prices stick, you know, four to fifty
or five hundred. So four to fifty is without the game,
five hundred includes Mario Kart World, so you're actually saving

(21:19):
thirty dollars there on the bundle.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yes, And I forty highly highly recommend buying that bundle
if you have any interest in Mario Kart World, because
you're you're gonna save a bunch of money. And I
think that's that's the one that the pre orders will
sell out right away because everybody wants to play that
game and it's a thirty dollars at least thirty dollars savings.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Okay, so what about the joy cons they now detach
and attach and detach magnetically. Did you get to try
that out? Was that aggressive? I did?

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Nintendo had a really cool experience in New York City.
It's coming to LA and then Dallas after that. Got
to play tested early and being able to play those
different modes where you're playing in handheld mode, you're playing
in TV mode, and you're playing it with the joy
cons detached.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
I was able to detach them and attach them very quickly.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
It's a lot a lot more simpler than what it
was before, where you had to kind of do the
sliding mechanism that works sometimes sometimes it didn't work. This
has really strong magnets and it's going to be a
sinch just to detach them and attach them. And hopefully
there's no breakable parts because like it's magnetized. It's really strong.

(22:27):
But you know, we'll see when people do tear downs
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
What did it feel like these things to like, you know,
like the magnets they go on like left and right,
But like, did it feel like you can just kind
of break them off, like with is there any part
that in your connect innerconnects between these devices?

Speaker 4 (22:44):
I think there is. Well, how they come apart is
that there's little mechanism where you push a button and
it actually has another part that kind of pushes off
of Nintendo switch. So it's it's a very simple mechanism.
It turns out. We thought it would be a lot

(23:05):
more complicated than it actually was, but I don't think
it's I think it's very durable, and I had confidence
that it wouldn't just fall off.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
The magnets are pretty strong, so they built it really well.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
But I'm sure some people are going to put some
torture tests online on some video so those will be
fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Okay, So if it's new feature game chat, so I
guess at the minimum, because there's a new button on here,
a Sea button, you can chat with your friends like
audio chat. But then if you buy the they have
a new USBC camera you can video chat. And this
is kind of like reminds me of Discord or all
these other ways that gamers are already kind of like

(23:46):
video and audio chatting online. So what do you think
of that feature?

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah, everybody at the Shortcut, all my entire team. They
want to buy a Nintendo Switch for this feature. Because
Mario Kart World, you can appear against your screen background
so you can like watch what other people are doing
in a you know, there's it supports up to twenty
four people, but the four of us want to play
and kind of taunt each other on camera and have

(24:13):
a lot of fun. There's a new mode called Knockout Mode,
and this seems like a very interactive, almost twitch like experience.
You mentioned discord, a lot of these game chats have
video capabilities. Now Nintendo finally has.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
That, okay, and then they're also bringing game cube games
to this as well. Now this will this come to
the old switch as well? I mean, because it's just
going to be part of a Nintendo Switch Online if
you have a subscription.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
Yeah, you would think.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
I think it's a new Switch to exclusive because they
have a new controller that is coming and you can
buy that separately. So it's a GameCube controller with new
extra buttons on there, and that is definitely something that
you want to experience it. You know, you pay yearly
for the subscription, but this is going to be exclusive

(25:00):
to the new console.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Oh wow, that's interesting. Okay, so let's talk about pre orders.
I mean, you can't. All you can do is put
your email address in right now, right. And then there's
also a report I've read that they were basically requiring
fifty hours of gameplay if you wanted to order it
direct from Nintendo, to like help fend off scalpers.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Absolutely, so, I think that's a really good thing because
we saw during the PS five restock chaos of a
couple of years ago that people were buying, you know, ten,
twenty thirty of the consoles at a time and reselling
them for double their price. That could easily happen. But
with these measures that Nintendo is putting in place, you're
able to you know, say like it goes to it

(25:38):
rewards the players that are actually playing games. So you
need fifty hours of gameplay time, and you need to
have a switch account, you know, or a Nintendo Online
account for over a year, so it's so that the
gamers actually get it. My suggestion, though, is to pre
order it from one of the retail store when the

(26:00):
pre orders go live, because Nintendo's website, it's online website
called my Nintendo Store doesn't go live with their pre
orders until May eighth, and that's really late, so if
they run out of pre orders, you can't really go
back in time and pre order it from Best Buy,
which was April.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
Ninth, but now maybe another date.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
So try all the major retail stores, just a secure
of reservation and maybe get two reservations because they don't
usually charge their card until they ship. But at least
you'll have two stores in case one gets delayed or
canceled for some reason.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
So what do we think? Is this a must have?
Do you upgrade if you already have the Nintendo Switch?
And is it going to be tough to get for
the holidays. I think it will be tough to get.
I think a lot of parents are going to want it.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
I think it is a must have if you're playing
the Switch on a even a weekly basis, If if
that's your go to console, if you love Mario games,
Mario Kart World is going to be a blast to play.
They have Donkey Kong Bonanza, a little pun that's gonna
be a lot of fun for both kids and adults.
So I think it's the right console for a lot
of people. It's a little bit pricey, but My word

(27:08):
of warning is don't wait for the price to go down,
because that usually doesn't happen with the Nintendo console. So
if you're putting it off hoping for a sale, you're
probably gonna be waiting a really long time.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
With the pre orders, I would get it the moment
they open.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
I'm gonna have if you follow at Matt Sweider or
the shortcut dot com and subscribe, I'm gonna have the
moment the preorders go live links to those retailers, because
I do expect them to sell out pretty quickly and
we might get less inventory because of the tariffs.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, and I don't expect any discounts on this. Typically
the way that Nintendo operates is no discounts. Maybe a
bundle is good or some added extra you might get,
but just seeing a slash of one hundred dollars or
something really doesn't happen there. All right, Matt Swider, thanks
so much for joining me. The shortcut dot com is
his website. You were the first place that I learned,

(27:54):
since I follow you on X that the date was
changed or you know, Nintendo put out that statement that said, hey,
we're gonna, you know, change the launch date or the
pre order date. I guess we're holding off.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
It makes turning on notifications that's that much more important,
So stand by for that news. Hopefully I get to
inform you and everybody else when the pre orders go live.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Tap that bell, all right, Matt, thanks so much for
joining me. Let's eighty eight rich one O one eight
eight eight seven four to two four one zero one.
Coming up, I'll tell you why TikTok gets yet another
lifelined right here on rich On Tech. Welcome back to
rich On Tech. Rich DeMuro here hanging out with you,

(28:38):
talking technology at Triple eight Rich one O one eight
Just one thing we forgot to mention about the switch
from Nintendo in the last segment is will the games
be backwards compatible? So Switch one games will work on
switch to Switch two games will not work on Switch one,

(28:59):
and some games will be switched to enhanced of older games.
So yeah, so bottom line, your mileage may vary, but
it sounds like in general, the old games will work
on the new console, the new games will not work
on the old console. Let's go to Katie in Garden Grove.

Speaker 6 (29:20):
Katie, you're on with Rich, Hi, Rich, I've seen advertised these.
They're like ear pods and they translate. So you've just
put this thing on your ear and you can go
to several different countries and it'll translate for you. Have
you heard anything about that?

Speaker 7 (29:41):
I have.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
I'm concerned that you saw them advertised. Where'd you see
them advertised? Social media? Yes? Yeah, so I would be.

Speaker 6 (29:50):
I saw them on Amazon as well.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Okay, well, what's the brand, because there is a brand
I do recommend.

Speaker 6 (29:55):
Oh, okay, that's what I'm asking about.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Okay, so they're pretty the Time Kettle, Time Kettle M three.
Those are the most inexpensive, or that I should say,
the least expensive translating earbuds. Now, I have not personally
tested these, but I've talked to many friends who have
and they are known to work pretty well. So those

(30:19):
are probably what i'd recommend. What's the brand that Kettle?

Speaker 6 (30:23):
Time Kettle like T I M E K E T.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
T L correct Time Kettle M three. Now, they have
more expensive ones. They have a whole bunch of different versions.
This is just the most affordable. So if you want
to spend more, they've got ones that I think are
four fifty you know, a little bit more expensive, but
these are these are which of course bring added features
to them, but these are the kind of the the
budget version of these that kind of work, and people

(30:49):
seem to like them, so they get good reviews. They
they kind of do what you need. I will say,
I think that in general you have to keep your
expectations quite low with technology. You like this because I
in my experience, anytime you're talking about translation, it can
be tricky. Now I think AI has made things a
lot better, but for me personally, when I go abroad,

(31:12):
I use my phone and you just kind of like
use your translate app. Google Translate app will translate. That
will work pretty well for most circumstances. But these are
much more of a you know, if you want like
that idea of someone talking to you, this thing listens
and then in your ears, instead of hearing what they're saying,
you're hearing it in your language. That's kind of what
the earbuds are for. The other earbuds that work to

(31:36):
do this are the Google Pixel buds. And I originally
thought you had to have them on a pixel phone,
but you don't. You just have to have these pixel
buds with an Android phone. Now there are some requirements
for the Android phone, but Google Pixel buds might be
another way to do it because Google Pixel our Google
Translate is really good. The Google Pixel buds are nice.

(31:58):
They are one hundred and seventy nine dollars and so
that is another way. Right now, they're fifty dollars off
typically they're two twenty nine, so that could be another
way to do it. They have an A series, so
they're like cheaper, they're eighty dollars. But I'm not sure
they have the translation feature built in, so I would
check to see if that's a if that's in there,

(32:20):
I'm looking at their website right now, I don't necessarily
see the translate. Oh you know what it does look
like hold on real time translation, So they may they
may not have the full feature translation on the A buds,
but anyway, pixel buds are another way. But I think
time Kettle is kind of like the main brand out
there that's that's doing really well, that gets good reviews.

(32:41):
I know there's a lot of these things advertised, but
I'd be very cautious. And the reason is what a
lot of this stuff comes down to is the software
and the technology. So if the translation technology is not
very good or the software is not very good, it's
not going to be a good experience, and that means
you're going to use them for about two minutes on
your initial you know, you step off the plane or

(33:02):
off the cruise ship, whatever however you're getting there and
you try it and you're like, oh, this is not
this doesn't work, and you're going to be frustrated and
then hopefully there's a good return policy. And on an
item that's advertised on social media, sometimes there is not
a good return policy. So no matter what, I get
so many emails every week from folks that send me
a screen shot or a link they see to something.

(33:25):
These advertisements you see on social media, the products that
we see seem too good to be true, and a
lot of times they are. So just be careful. And
if you're going to these websites that you've never heard
of and buying a product. Number one, if the website
is like, hey, you've got one minute to shop or

(33:45):
time count down, this discount is ending in thirty you know,
thirty minutes, or you know you got to buy this now,
like beware because a lot of you know, those high
pressure sales tactics often mean that they're just trying to
get that sale before you kind of investigate or look
for reviews or what I always do. Check the return policy,

(34:05):
check the contact info. If you can't really find a
good amount of info, there probably not a place that
you want to shop, So just be careful with that stuff.
Let's see here I said that TikTok is getting one
more I don't know. I guess it's another deadline extension.
So TikTok Us divestiture deadline has been pushed now another

(34:29):
seventy five days. This is like the saga that keeps
on going. Now it's mid June. So they had faced
a deadline of April fifth under this whole national security presumption,
but now it is extended one more time. So you
might remember that TikTok was briefly removed from the app

(34:50):
stores both Google Play and also the Apple App Store,
but they returned after an executive order. And now a
bunch of companies are coming forward saying, yeah, we want
to buy this, but nobody's really doing it, so we
don't know what's going on here. Just China not want
to sell it. Do these companies really not want to
buy it is this all just kind of like stirring
the pot. We don't know, but Oracle, Amazon, app, Lovin,

(35:14):
and some investor groups have all shown interest. But of
course China's government must still approve any deal before it
can go through. And we don't even know if they
really want to sell it. I mean, I know they
don't want to, and we're not even sure if they're
willing to, So this is wild. The possibility of banning
TikTok was first publicly mentioned back in July twenty twenty.
I remember rushing out to do a story with a

(35:36):
TikToker to be like, what are you gonna do? And
this goes away, and five years later, here I am
still talking about it, still wasting my breath talking about
TikTok being banned. Eighty to eight rich one oh one
eight eight eight seven four to two four one zero one.

(35:57):
Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Tomuro here hanging
out with you, talking technology at Triple eight rich one
oh one eight eight eight seven four to two four
one zero one. You can follow me on social media.
I am at rich on Tech. You can sign up
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(36:19):
it every week. It's kind of like this show. Like
I said this week of my newsletter, the newsletter is
the show is kind of like the newsletter. The newsletter
is kind of like the show. So if you like
the show, you'll probably like the newsletter. If you like
the newsletter, you'll probably like this show. I talked this
week in my newsletter about removing some of your personal
information from the Internet. So if you've ever searched for yourself,

(36:39):
you probably have seen your name, your address, your phone number,
and all kinds of stuff online. This could be used,
you know, for nefarious reasons, everything from stalkers to identity theft.
So the more info out there probably the worse it is.
You know, it depends on your level of eh. I mean,
back in the day, we had the white Pages, remember
that where you can look up anyone. Yeah, I mean

(37:00):
it was a turning point and back to the future.
It's like that whole movie wouldn't happen if he didn't
have the White Pages there to look up where Doc
Brown was. Anyway, I digress. These days, you know, we
probably don't want this stuff online. So if your info
shows up in Google Search. There is a way to
get rid of that. You can tap the three dots
next to a search result that includes your info and

(37:22):
you'll see an option that says remove result. You can
fill out the form and they usually remove that within
a couple of days, sometimes quicker and then. Google has
this free tool called Results about You, which you can
sign up for. It is free. It will monitor any
new search results that include your personal contact info and
they will email you every time you get every time

(37:42):
they find something on the Internet that involves you, and
you can say, yeah, I want to remove that. They're
not going to prove it all the time, but at
least it's a way to kind of automate that process. Now,
keep in mind, removing a link from Google Search does
not delete the source, so that just takes it out
of Google Search, which is where ninety nine point nine
percent of people are going to find it. If you
want to remove the website, you have to contact them

(38:05):
to remove that page completely. You can do an opt out. Now,
there are paid services like Incogni and Privacy b lots
of them out there. They all promise to automate the removals,
but these can be pricey. They can cost twenty dollars
a month or more, and consumer reports found that not
a lot of these services did a very good job.
Two that did well were easy opt Outs and Optry,

(38:28):
and they charge not very much twenty to forty dollars
per year. But keep in mind you probably want to
do this like over and over.

Speaker 8 (38:34):
Now.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
I think doing yourself is probably the most cost effective.
So easy way to do this just start with the
Google results for yourself, Like just start with the top results, right,
and you can just submit opt out requests for each
of those websites. And if you want to know how
to do that, you can literally most of the time,
you can just google the name of the website, like
if it's white Pages, just say like white Pages opt out,

(38:57):
and they kind of put you through this little process
get everything out of there. But it does work most
of the time. But if you want a directory, the
website delete me dot com has a DIY guide for
like almost every website you can think of, So you
go there, you tap there and it'll tell you the
step by step instructions on how to get rid of
your data. So that's delete me dot com. And then

(39:21):
in the future you might want to consider giving out
your information less right. You know, all these websites I
call it the data grab. They're going to ask for
as much as humanly possible. Like the other day, I
was signing up for something. I was like, really you
need this?

Speaker 9 (39:34):
You need that? Do you really need this?

Speaker 1 (39:37):
And so sometimes if there's not an asterisk next to
the field that you're filling out, don't fill it out.
Don't give them the extra information. If I'm giving out
my data birth, a lot of times I'll just make
something up. If it's a random website that doesn't need
my data birth, why give them that information. The reason
why they're asking for that is because then they go
into other databases and kind of form this complete data

(40:00):
profile of you by collecting information from a whole bunch
of places. So secondary email, secondary phone number, cloaked email
might work to avoid getting more of this information. I've
got this all on the website rich on tech dot TV,
and coming up later this hour, we're actually going to
talk to the co founder of the website cloaked that

(40:20):
helps you come up with like new identities basically to
use online to protect your privacy. Let's go to uh
Loudy in Long Beach Ludy you're on with.

Speaker 10 (40:31):
Rich Yeah LBC.

Speaker 11 (40:34):
Long time listening to the show, first time listening to you.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Oh wow.

Speaker 10 (40:39):
I want to give my shout out to Leo La
pol It give me informed.

Speaker 11 (40:43):
But now you're in man.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, I mean it's only been two and a half years,
but you know, I know it's all good. What's up,
Loudy you have?

Speaker 12 (40:51):
But finally I have a question. Yes, hey, so listen man,
I have iPhones, right, and I have a fat mini
plan of a two terabyte and it says that it's full.

Speaker 10 (41:04):
So I'm looking at it and for myself. Right, it
says that I am using my drive.

Speaker 11 (41:13):
I think it's called it.

Speaker 8 (41:15):
Drive iCloud drive.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yep, okay, it isn't.

Speaker 8 (41:19):
I'm using two hundred and fifty three gigabytes.

Speaker 11 (41:23):
However, I don't have anything in it. When I go
and review files, there's four files that are like one megabyte.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Hmm, okay, So I don't know.

Speaker 10 (41:36):
Is it is iCloud drive the same as the iCloud.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Not necessarily so iCloud drive is part of iCloud. So
you're saying how much data do you have? How much
storage do you have on iCloud? You said two terabytes.

Speaker 10 (41:51):
Two terabytes and shared with families.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Ah okay, so there that that's probably what's happening here.
So my kids are little our little storage goblins, and
so what they like to do is have these giant
files that take up a ton of storage. So what
you have to do is you have to look. Now,
are you looking on your phone or your computer for

(42:14):
this information?

Speaker 9 (42:16):
I'm looking on my phone right now.

Speaker 10 (42:17):
I'm actually on my iplone okay. And then when I
look at dry for myself, not the family, it says
that I am using two hundred and fifty three gigabytes. Okay,
but I don't know where that's coming from because I
review the files and four.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Files well, when you look at okay, so when you
tap there is a section. Now they just redesign this. Actually,
Apple made this a little bit easier because, you know,
I feel like iCloud has you know, the storage has
always been sort of a black hole right where you
have no idea what's what's in there, what's taking up
the storage? They have work to make this just a
little bit easier. But there's two things. Number One, Ludie,

(42:59):
I would I would look at your backups that could
be taking up a lot of the storage. A lot
of times people forget to get rid of their old
backups of their phone. So that's number one, and so
I would look into those. And you can look under
your iCloud backups. Like for me, I've got one, two, three, four,
five devices that I have backed up, and two of

(43:19):
them are it looks like a duplicate my iPad. I
have the old one and the new one. So that's
number one. Look at your backups. Now, if you're just
looking at drive iCloud drive, it says manage storage and
you tap that and that should tell you where it's
using up the storage, and it says documents and data
iPhone storage, So those are the places that you need

(43:41):
to look to see what is taking up. Mine says
you have seven hundred and fifty seven gigabytes of files
stored in iCloud, which I don't even know how I
have that much, but the thing, like.

Speaker 11 (43:52):
I know, I go to manage storage on the iCloud drive. Yeah, yeah,
it's telling me that I have two hundred gig a
bye files securely story nightcloud.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Oh good, I'm glad they're secure. We can't even find them,
they're so secure.

Speaker 12 (44:07):
Yeah, but I don't know what file of those are.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
That's what I'm Okay. Now, do you get a section
underneath where it says show large files, because mine sets
review large files and if I tap that, it'll show
me my largest files in here, so it.

Speaker 11 (44:22):
Tells me review files.

Speaker 9 (44:24):
Do you have that?

Speaker 10 (44:26):
Yeah, review file?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Okay, Now when you tap that, is there is there
some big files shown there?

Speaker 10 (44:31):
No, there's there's there's four of them.

Speaker 11 (44:33):
Man, they're all the thing is one is.

Speaker 10 (44:38):
Three megabytes?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Oh wow, Well that's a problem. Uh interesting, Okay, Well,
there's probably some phantom thing taking up your iCloud. I
wonder if there's like a trash you can empty or
something like that. Do you have a Mac computer or no?

Speaker 11 (44:53):
Yeah, I got a Mac computer.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
So I would go on your Mac computer and see
if you can go into your iCloud drive from there
and see what's taken up the storage there if it
shows you something different, So that's what I would do.
I mean, this is a mystery to me. That's because
I feel like you should be able to see between

(45:16):
your phone and your and your actual iCloud drive what's
taking it up, because that would make the most sense.
The only other thing I can think of, is there
are some of these directories that files make, like I
can see I've got one from pages, I've gotten from numbers, keynote, shortcuts,
text edit. There might be something in there that's taking
up a lot of space. But this sounds like sort

(45:40):
of a mystery, because if you're running up against your
two terabytes because of this, you know that's a problem.
You need to be able to clear this stuff out.
So if you can't figure this out, I would take
it to the Apple Store and see what they say
and just say, hey, look, you know this is telling
me I'm up against my cloud storage. I don't understand
what's taking up all the storage When I'm going into
my iCloud drive and there's nothing in there, I mean mine,

(46:00):
I see seven hundred and fifty eight gigs, but I
can see what's taking up that info or taking up
that storage. And then there's also app syncing to iCloud drive,
which I have three of them, Books, Obsidian, and WhatsApp,
So those could be a problem. But the couple places
you know iCloud storage is is really tricky, I think,
and it still is. It's not as straightforward as it

(46:23):
should be. But I would check check those iCloud backups
for sure, Ludi and uh and if you can't figure
out what's going on in this drive, then you kind
you kind of have to bring into the Apple store
and see what they say. Eighty eight rich one oh
one eight eight eight seven four two four one zero one.
I made the joke the other day on TV that
when I retire, I'm going to finally take the time

(46:44):
to organize my photos, my cloud drive, and you know
everything else that's taking up storage in the cloud because
it's like a full time job. It's like nobody has
the time to figure this stuff out. You still won't
do it. I still won't do it, And then I
said it, then I'll travel probably be too late by then.
Eight to eight rich one on one eight eight eight
seven four to two four one zero. I guess I'm saying,

(47:06):
don't feel so bad if your cloud storage is a mess,
because everyone's is. Welcome back to rich on Tech eighty
eight rich one o one eight eight eight seven four

(47:26):
to two four one zero one. The website rich on
tech dot TV. Kyle writes in and says, hey, rich,
is there a way for an iPhone to automatically respond
to all incoming text messages with a custom message twenty
four hours a day. I've looked around and only found
options for things like driving mode or customer applies to
certain contacts, but nothing universal. Kyle, Kyle, You're right. There

(47:50):
is no way to auto reply to all texts at
all times, as far as I know. The closest hack
I've found is to turn on the driving mode. And
when you have that on, let's see what's it actually called.
Hold on? It's called yeah, driving, So driving can auto respond,
but only I think to your contacts, your favorites, or
a combination of folks. It's not everyone. So this is

(48:14):
a sort of an Apple thing. It's part of their
operating system. I'm not sure why they don't allow that,
but they did add text message scheduling recently, so that's
a good good sign. But yeah, it would be nice
because sometimes when I'm using like a different phone, like
a test phone, I want to like text everyone, say hey,
if this is important, you know, call me here or whatever.

(48:34):
And the only way I can do it is with contacts,
which I guess is fine. You know, maybe maybe it's
the security things they don't want you like texting. You know,
if some spammer gets a hold of your number and
then they get a spam you know, they get a
reply that says, hey, I'm currently on the beach in Miami,
like call me here, I'm staying at this place whatever,
you know what I mean. So sorry, Kyle, doesn't doesn't

(48:57):
work right now. You might have seen the headlines that
things are changing over at Zel. They are shutting down
their standalone app. Oh my gosh, nobody uses the standalone
Zel app. Okay, let's be honest. So all those headlines
were there to get you to click and read and go,
oh yeah, it's already the way I'm using it. So
starting now, I guess Zell will no longer support sending

(49:21):
or receiving money through the app if you were using
the app, if you are using your bank, your bank
account app, it's all good. You're all fine, So no
action necessary. Over twenty two hundred banks and credit unions
support Zell directly. I guess they thought they were going
to have an app that was a competitor to like
the paypals of the world and the cash apps and

(49:42):
the venmos. But then they realized that people were just
using this through their bank and that was the easiest way,
So just two percent of transactions were happening through the
standalone app. So you can view your old payment history
in the app until August eleventh, so if you need
anything in there, be sure to download it. But going forward,
the app will still be there. It's just going to
focus on fraud education and how to get it through

(50:04):
your bank. So once again, if you're using Zel through
your bank, you don't need to change a thing. And
people like Zel because it's immediate, and it's free and
it's through your bank. And this is really an example
of the big banks coming together to kind of band
against Venmo and all these other payment services. Now, I
think Zell is great when it works. It is a

(50:26):
little scarier than these other apps because there's really no recourse,
like the money's hopping from your account directly to someone
else's account. So I've noticed there's a lot of security
precautions when you're sending money through Zell. But when it
works and you've got a trusted person on the other end,
it's it's great because it's free. So just just beware
the you know, the the implications of sending money like

(50:47):
it's it's like a freeway from your bank account to theirs,
so be just be aware of that. All right, let's
go to let's see here, let's go to Rob in
Los Angeles. Rob, you're on with Rich.

Speaker 8 (51:01):
Hi.

Speaker 13 (51:01):
How are you doing.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I'm doing fantastic.

Speaker 12 (51:03):
My question is.

Speaker 8 (51:06):
I have Outlook hot Mail, and I'm people on getting
locked out because there's too many attempts. So it's you know,
my Microsoft account is linked through it, and I know
that I look on my y up for my account

(51:31):
and it shows like one hundred attempts a day for
my Microsoft account.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, this is a common This is clearly a common
thing that's happening, because it happened to me. I mentioned
it my newsletter. I got a bunch of emails about it.
Clearly there's a bunch of people trying to log into
Microsoft accounts all day long. So are they actually getting
into your account?

Speaker 8 (51:53):
Well I'm not sure, but I think so.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
But anyway, Okay, well you know.

Speaker 8 (52:02):
About the twenty four hours lockout.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Okay, here here's what I recommend, rob.

Speaker 13 (52:06):
Getting more and.

Speaker 8 (52:07):
More recent as far as like, because I guess I'm
getting more attempts, so it's getting kind of aggregating that
I gotta wait, like twenty four hours because the idiots
are trying to log into my account and it's not.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Me, right, So I hear you, Okay, Well here here's
what I recommend to fix this. Okay, So number one,
I has three things to do. Number one, you've got
to change your password. So that's number one. Change your password.
Make sure it's something that is strong, unique at least
fourteen characters. Use a password generator. You got to turn

(52:41):
on two factor authentication. Turn on two factor authentication. Use
an app if you can. The email thing is with
the code is okay. With the app is much better.
And then I want you to sign out everywhere so
you can go to Microsoft. I will put the link
on the website rich on tech dot tv. But basically,
once you sign into your micro Soft account, you got

(53:02):
to sign into your Advanced Security options on your Microsoft
Account Security dashboard and then you scroll down and it
says sign out everywhere. Once you sign out everywhere, sign
in on just the one place where you want to
access this account with your new password, and hopefully that
should help this. But you know, all those loggin attempts,

(53:22):
this same exact thing happened to my account, and it
was really annoying. When I found that, and I did
go in and change my password, so you can check
for that as well. Let's say I'm trying to find
the link I gave out. It's on my newsletter from
last week eight and eight rich one on one eight
Coming up, we'll talk about protecting your personal information online.

(53:49):
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out with you talking technology at Triple eight Rich one
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Appreciate you being here. We've got a lot of good
information coming your way. Rich on tech dot tv is
the website if you want links to anything I talk about. Uh,

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this should be an eye opening conversation. Cloak to co
founder and CEO Arjun Botnager is here to join me.
Thanks for being here, of course, thanks for having me Rich.
So I called this number, what is it? Tell me
what the number is? Eight five five?

Speaker 9 (54:26):
Yeah, eight five five seven five two five six two.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Five Okay, So I call that and that's like it
translates into seven seven five cloak or something.

Speaker 9 (54:34):
Yeah, say eight five five seven five cloak.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Okay, Now, as soon as you call that number, you'll
be surprised because agreed to by name, and then it
proceeds to tell you your social Security number, your address,
and all kinds of personal information. You go, wait a second,
what is happening here? And it's all kind of an
example of just how much information is floating around on

(54:58):
the internet about you.

Speaker 9 (54:59):
Right, that's absolutely right.

Speaker 14 (55:01):
There's so much information that we willingly give out and
what companies and corporations and even governments use to tie.

Speaker 9 (55:08):
Back to you on around everything.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
So I always tell people like, okay, let's say you
go to the grocery store. You give them your phone number.
It's like, oh, no, big deal, that's just my phone number.
They go in and use that phone number to find
every other piece of data about you.

Speaker 7 (55:23):
Is that right?

Speaker 9 (55:24):
So exactly right.

Speaker 14 (55:26):
The grocery store might be doing that. But really it's
not always everyone's the bad guy. We always find that
it might be benign or good that a company's using
your information, it might be malicious. The problem is that
even if someone's good, if they're hacked, compromised, or.

Speaker 9 (55:41):
Breached, the problem ends up being the same. So it's
exactly right.

Speaker 14 (55:44):
The phone number, or any piece of data, whether it's
for good or bad, gets aggregated, collected, and eventually it
is either to target you, compromise.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
You, or watch you. So you run a website called Cloaked.
Explain what that does. What's your idea to fight all this?

Speaker 14 (56:00):
Yeah, so, for the longest time, we've always believed, from
the government to corporations to what we're trained is that
let companies keep your information safe. And we all know
that's a funny concept because there's a breach every single
day that impact millions, if not a billion, people worldwide
when their data is exposed. So what we really indexed
on is how can we as individuals be in control

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of our own data.

Speaker 9 (56:24):
So that's what we do at cloat.

Speaker 14 (56:26):
We give you the power to actually think about how
is my identity being out there?

Speaker 9 (56:30):
What's exposed? And we help you by cleaning up your
past and protecting your future.

Speaker 14 (56:35):
And that's through cleaning your data footprint, actually deleting data,
removing it and then masking your email, phone number, passwords,
soon even credit card and address with new information that
doesn't tie back to you.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
So this is the concept of data poisoning. Explain that.

Speaker 14 (56:52):
Yeah, so data poisoning is a fairly new concept. People
have talked about it for a while. But your single
data point, for example, why when you call that phone
number it works is because you give up that piece
of data to both the irs and dominos. And because
that one data point never really changes your whole life.
You might have one to two phone numbers, maybe two

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to three email addresses, it's very easy to target you.
So data poisoning is this idea that what if one
data point is confusing, it doesn't.

Speaker 9 (57:23):
People can't figure out who is it or what is it?
How do you tie back to it?

Speaker 14 (57:28):
So what with Cloak we try to introduce is that
the phone numbers you generate, the emails, the passwords, credit cards,
that information is distinct, unique per website or even per person.
But we also think about, well, what if Rich and
I each generate a Cloak phone number and it's actually
the same number. You might use it for best Buy,

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I might use it for Target. But when it's stolen, compromised,
or even packaged and sold, it's impossible to tell whether
that's our general Rich, and that's the technology you've developed
to make it very hard to figure out who's who.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Wow, that's interesting and what about I mean, we know
AI is coming on board and people are saying, look,
AI is going to make it so much easier for
people to target you and to put this information together.
Is that happening.

Speaker 14 (58:16):
Yeah, So this is where AI enabled threats have grown
over three hundred percent in the last year alone, and
so it's getting worse and worse.

Speaker 9 (58:25):
And you might see this if you.

Speaker 14 (58:26):
Look at a phishing text that says, and this is
a growing one, Hey, we know you shop at this
local Starbucks, we know where you live, or I know
some stuff about where you walk every day. Now those
aren't actually necessarily humans typing all these messages out. We
leverage technology or even AI to combine a lot of
this data, use AI to kind of figure out the

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pattern where your location is, and craft messages and these
are all what scammers or fishers or hackers try to do.
Craft messages automatically using AI that make it feel very
per And that's the biggest risk vector going forward is
that people's systems they're getting more secure, But the biggest
vulnerability are people. And it's whether it's employees and businesses

(59:11):
or us as customers. The way we act and enabled
and leverage technology.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I always say that the scammers sort of take something
that we know, like we've all gotten that text from
our bank that says, hey, did you just make a
purchase here? And you know press one or a reply
one if you did, or why or and and you know,
they take that and they kind of spin it and
they send us that and you're like, wait, is this
for my bank or not? And the next thing you know,
you're getting scammed.

Speaker 9 (59:37):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 14 (59:38):
And that's where the threats and the vectors are trying
to make it so that you believe it's true, and
the moment you believe it's true, it's all over. I
think I've actually given this an example. I think you've
already talked about it. There's this website Have I Been Boned?
And the author that just recently got compromised because of
a very specific trusting look a message.

Speaker 9 (01:00:00):
That they ended up clicking and following through and logging in.

Speaker 15 (01:00:04):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
I love Troy, he was on this show, but I mean, ah,
and I get it, this can happen to anyone, but
like I really I'm surprised that that happened to him.
I mean, I always said he was tired from you know,
jet Lag and all this stuff. But like, I can't
believe that he his password manager didn't fill in the
site and then he proceeded to fill it in manually
and then put the one time code in. It's like, yeah,

(01:00:25):
oh my.

Speaker 14 (01:00:26):
Gosh, it's I can't understand how it happens and happens
to the best of us. But this is the point
that Troy kind of revealed, was that things there were
flags along the way. The pass manager didn't flag. The
link is a little suspicious, but when you're tired, it happens.
I think this is where kind of the hygiene and

(01:00:46):
how we operate for me e, in our own staff,
we just don't click links in emails et cetera. Like
there's a little bit of homework, et cetera, and the
way we operate before we click anything. Even if the
link says, hey, there's something wrong, well, we open a
new tab and go to it ourselves. Yeah, there's no
reason to click the link in the email. You can
always go to the website directly and figure out the alert.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
So what is your advice for consumers? I mean, obviously
you'd love if everyone's signed up for your website and
use your services beyond that? What do you think?

Speaker 8 (01:01:16):
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
You know, what's your advice for consumers? How do we
deal with this?

Speaker 9 (01:01:20):
So I say it's a couple of different problems.

Speaker 14 (01:01:22):
Actually, on hand, I think there's the idea of our
own personal safety scams, fishing, and also like being annoyed
and frustrated with people turning bombarda. So I look at
as a problem of safety, a problem of your own
spam being annoyed.

Speaker 9 (01:01:36):
And a problem of personal privacy.

Speaker 14 (01:01:38):
And the way I look at is the first simplest
thing I tell people start saying no. And what that
means is that between apps that ask for all these
permissions like I never give my contact permissions, don't give
up every contact you own, don't give up location permissions
because you don't have to. And this is where that
mindset of we're trained to keep saying yes start hitting

(01:01:59):
to and you'd be surprised. Similarly, at restaurants and Sapphora whichever,
they hey, can you give me a phone number? You
give me your email? I say no, I don't have
to give the information, and they say, oh, no, big deal,
no worries. But and you'll realize you don't have to
give up. The culture of sharing is that first part,
and then.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Almost before you proceed to the next part. I was
at a new place. This place just opened nearby. I went,
I visited. It was a new store, and they're like, okay,
let's get your email address for like, you know, promotions
and this and that. And I actually felt bad like
being like, no, I don't want to give that. And
so I did give my email even though I didn't
want to, and they proceeded to email me every single

(01:02:37):
day after that. I was like ah, but because it
was a human that was like standing there, it's like
just this routine thing like okay, now give me your emails.
You can get those great offer codes, and you know,
I need to come up with a fake email or
a you know, spam email for future things like that.

Speaker 9 (01:02:52):
Well that's kind of leading to so I didn't want
to get gives a part. This is what Cloak does.

Speaker 14 (01:02:56):
Like we one of the big things that a lot
of companies in our sector do is they say stop
doing this or don't give any email address. I think
the culture of saying no is the first step. But
the part too is we want you to keep you
want to get promotions and this is where for Cloak,
what we thought about is we'll make a unique email
for that local coffee shop. I personally bought something for

(01:03:18):
my partner recently, and I get six emails a day,
but all goes to a specific Cloak email you for
that website, So I never look at it doesn't matter.
But when I need to check on order confirmation CE,
I can go right to that single email address and
check it. And that's where we start to change the behavior.
Where it's step one is stopping, but step two is
changing the way you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Share Okay, interesting stuff. I mean I I yeah, I
totally agree with the idea of coming up, Like I
have a Google Voice number two, which I use sometimes,
But then I feel bad when I give people that
number because I'm like, well, they're you know I'm giving
It's just it's this weird It's almost like this human
thing where you feel almost like you're being deceitful by

(01:04:00):
giving out something that protects you. And do you find
that and do people react like that? Like I that's
the way I feel, I think even.

Speaker 9 (01:04:09):
For me, since people know I do Cloak, et cetera.

Speaker 14 (01:04:11):
When I give out a phone number I haven't given
my personal phone number since twenty twenty one when I
started the company, and it's been it's been.

Speaker 9 (01:04:18):
A kind of interesting experience.

Speaker 14 (01:04:19):
People say, oh, how you giving me a Cloak number,
and I think, but I think the idea is that
at least what we're trying to enable is that it's
not a throwaway or burner. When I give a Cloak
number out, I can lock it to just you, so
that number is just between us. So when I get
the textra call, I know it's just you. It's not spoofed, spam,
et cetera. So I try to position is like, this

(01:04:42):
is meant to be more personal. When I'm giving a
number out to the shake shack or a restaurant, I
was like, well, I'm only hearing from that one entity.

Speaker 9 (01:04:50):
And yes, it takes a little bit of a cultural
shift and change, but I.

Speaker 14 (01:04:54):
What I've realized is yes, when people might react and say,
oh are you hiding, But the moment you do it
once or twice, it doesn't feel so bad. And I
think that's where we start to really push. You've become
a bit more organized your emails, text calls, if you're
buying a home, which is what we noticed a lot
of users do or apartment hunting. There's a lot of

(01:05:15):
noise happening, but once it's all over, you turn it
off or delete it. Now it's gone, and I think
the benefits out weigh kind of that initial feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Don't ever give your email address when you're shopping for
a car. That is the worst. You will get those forever.
And you know two years in, hey, you're still looking
at that Honda. You're like, I bought a car two
years ago. What's happening here? They're just going through those lists?
All right. Cloaked dot com is the website. CEO our
gunbot Naggert, thanks so much for joining me today.

Speaker 14 (01:05:45):
Absolutely, and the last second say is do give that
phone number a call? That eight five five seven five
two five six two five. It's a big eye opener.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Yes it is. I made my wife diala and we
were like, my kids are like, what's happening right now?
All right? Eighty eight our phone number or eight eight
eight rich one O one eight eight eight seven four
to two four to one zero one. I'll put the
phone number for Cloaked on the website rich on tech
dot TV. It is eye opening. You dial that number,
Believe me, you will be like, wait, what, I didn't
even know they had that, especially the social Security number.

(01:06:15):
We'll be right back. Welcome back to rich on tech.
Rich DeMuro here hanging out with you talking technology at
triple eight Rich one O one eight eight eight seven
four to two four one zero one. Let's go to
uh Francis in Irvinest, Florida. You're on with Richo.

Speaker 7 (01:06:38):
Hello, rich how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
I am doing fantastic. How are you today?

Speaker 7 (01:06:42):
I'm not too bad other than my computer. I did
tell me, Hey, I don't I didn't start correctly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Oh no, that sounds like me on a cold day.

Speaker 7 (01:06:56):
Yeah, it's hard to put your feet on the floor
when you're sleeping.

Speaker 8 (01:07:01):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
So what's the problem.

Speaker 7 (01:07:04):
Well, I got this blue screen of death and it
says automatically pair your PC did not start correctly. Press
restart to research your PT which can sometimes fix the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Sometimes that's the operative word. Uh oh did this? Sometimes not?

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
You can also press advanced options. I'll tell you something
which nothing worked.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Nothing's working?

Speaker 7 (01:07:34):
Yes, I'm just going The blue screen just stayed there?

Speaker 11 (01:07:38):
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Does does your computer make any sound?

Speaker 11 (01:07:43):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Okay? And have you did you change anything on your
computer before this happened.

Speaker 7 (01:07:48):
No, well I did turned it off and then the
next day I turned it on continue and that's what
it came up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Oh man, are you is your computer backed up?

Speaker 7 (01:08:02):
Backed up? In which way?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Like do you have a you know, your important files somewhere?

Speaker 7 (01:08:08):
Well, it wasn't really necessary. It's not I don't have
much in my computer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Okay, So it's more it's more just getting the computer
working again. Got it?

Speaker 16 (01:08:19):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
The I mean, there are a bunch of things you
can try to do. It sounds like you tried to
do them with the the advanced startup options and all
the repair stuff. But I think have you tried to
restart this into safe mode.

Speaker 7 (01:08:34):
State?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Okay? So that's what I would try as the last
resort is see if you can do safe mode on
this computer? Is this what? What version of Windows?

Speaker 10 (01:08:42):
Is this?

Speaker 7 (01:08:43):
Windows?

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Okay? So Windows ten? H you gotta I gotta look
up the way to do that. But there's there's basically
a key that you can let's see Windows ten. Let's
see boot into safe mode. So that's what you want
to look into. And so if you can boot into
safe mode, that will start your computer up without a

(01:09:06):
whole bunch of things running. So maybe there's something that's
like messing with your computer when it when it turns on,
and that's what's causing this screen of death. Now, I
think the problem it may be more than that, because
if you're getting if you're not getting anything to happen
on this computer, I don't know if it's like starting
up and then giving you this screen, or if it's
not starting up at all, which one do you think

(01:09:27):
it is?

Speaker 7 (01:09:28):
Well, it starts up and then gives me the screen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Okay, So it seems like your computer's like going through
some motions and then it's like now we can't yeah, okay,
So then safe mode may help because it may be
something you know. It could be that one of your
apps or one of your drivers or something got an
update that just does not agree with this system. So
that is that's kind of like the main thing that
you know could be causing this, I hope. But it

(01:09:53):
looks like you can press the F four key to
start in safe mode when your computer starting up. I
would check that on just look in your just look
in and like Google to see for your specific system.
I think that's it. But once you start in safe mode,
that basically only starts up the most basic parts of Windows.

(01:10:15):
So it's not going to run every driver, it's not
going to run everything, all the apps, all the things
that automatically turn on it log in, like, all those
things are not going to start. So it's just the
base of the operating system. So that if that works,
if the operating system comes up, that may fix it
in itself, Like it may start up and like repair
whatever it needs to do, and then you can restart
into regular mode. But if it doesn't, you know, if

(01:10:38):
it doesn't even come up even with the safe mode,
then you have a bigger problem. And then if that's
if that's the problem, then I would probably look into
just kind of if you said, your your files and
things are good, you don't have a you know, you
don't need to back up whatever. You can just kind
of start this computer. I hate to say this, but
just kind of start it fresh, like reset the PC
and that'll reinstall Windows completely and then it'll start up

(01:11:03):
because obviously then it's a fresh computer at that point.
But that is a frustrating thing to happen. It's tough
to tell exactly what's going on without seeing it. So
if you want to spend money and bring it to
a professional. That may help as a last resort if
you don't want to do this yourself. But you know,
if you don't care, if you're you know, if you
can just get this thing and you know, reinstall Windows yourself,

(01:11:26):
that will be the cheapest option. And then you start fresh.
And the nice thing about that is, you know all
the stuff that you had on there, all the things
you collected, you know, a little fragments of programs and stuff.
You will notice that your computer will feel new again.
So I guess that's the looking on the bright side
of your computer completely crashing and not working anymore. But again,
try the safe mode and then if that doesn't work,
you may want to bring it to professional see if

(01:11:47):
they can figure out what's going on, and if they can't,
or if you just want to reset your computer completely,
that will be the cheapest option. But the you will
have to reinstall everything again, all your programs, all your apps,
your browser, just everything will have to be put back
on that computer because it will be like new. Thanks
for the call, appreciate it. Francis eight eight eight rich
one o one eight eight eight seven four to two

(01:12:09):
four one zero one I'll tell you about a smart watch.
I like, that's just eighty dollars coming up. Welcome back
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Can people not? You just got a busy signal? Oh
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I know some of you have been waiting for a while,
but we will get to as many of you as
we can. But you know, this show is a balance
of things, right, Like I try to get through some

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of the information that I need. You know, I always
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Speaker 8 (01:13:56):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
It's all on the website usually about twenty dollars a month,
so basically forty dollars value here. And you know it'll
probably make you more efficient during the finals season. So
I'll put the link rich on tech dot tv to
access that. And then this little smart watch I've been
testing from a company called a maze Fit. It's called

(01:14:17):
the BIP six and it's just eighty dollars and I
got to say, very very impressed. So this kind of
looks like an Apple watch and it does all the
things you need. It's got a nice display, it's really bright.
You can read it in almost any lighting. Except I
noticed with my polarized sunglasses on, which kind of bugs

(01:14:38):
me because that's what I wear all the time. Tracks
your heart rate, your sleep, blood oxygen, stress, heart rate variability,
one hundred and forty workout modes. Let's see. It even
tracks twenty five workouts automatically, you know, like if you
start a run or something. It's got maps on it.
Two week battery life. Battery life on this thing is

(01:14:58):
a champ good water resistance. It's got AI built in
so you can ask it questions and things like that.
No subscription, and I even love the food tracking on
the app. It's called ZEP. You can take a picture
of your food and it basically gives you all the
macros and whatever you're trying to track. Or you can
just type in what you ate and'll it'll parse it

(01:15:19):
all out. It's really really cool. So anyway, very impressive.
This is not an iPhone, This is not an Apple watch,
it's not an Android watch. It doesn't run like any
of the standard operating system. This is their own operating system,
so you don't have access to third party apps, but
pretty much everything you need is built in. So if
you are just looking for a basic smart watch that

(01:15:40):
does all the little things you need at a really
good price eighty dollars. I would check this out a
maze fit bipsix. The only thing is, if you're gonna
listen to music on this, there's no cellular you would
have to transfer MP three's manually through the app, which
you can do. But there again, there's no third party apps.
You're not gonna find like Spotify, iHeartRadio, know, all those

(01:16:00):
things you're not gonna be on here. You gotta you know,
bring your own music. I guess. Anyway, it's available now Amazon.
I'll have my video review on KTLA channel five and
my website rich on Tech on Monday. Uh, let's go
to let's see here. We've got my special guest here,
Parker Parker saw the Minecraft movie. This is my son,

(01:16:22):
Parker Parker. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (01:16:24):
Hello, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Dad, Hey tell me about you're a big Minecraft fan.
So what did you think of the movie?

Speaker 13 (01:16:33):
I thought the movie was pretty good. I actually liked it.
I thought the you know, the actors were very well
picked played, the scenes were well made. It was actually uh,
you know, there were some it was like kind of
like funny. That's what I really liked about it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
So it's a comedy. So you got Jason Momoa.

Speaker 13 (01:16:54):
It was a comedy for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Jack Black, Emma Myers, Jennifer Coolidge, who you probably remember
as the character in American Pie from back in the day.
This is getting a forty eight percent of Rotten Tomatoes,
So some people are liking it, some people are not
liking it.

Speaker 13 (01:17:11):
Yeah, I don't agree with the forty eight percent ron tomatoes.
I think a lot of the people that like, you know,
the people that rate that, I don't think they probably
played Minecraft.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
They have, but old reviewers, they don't know, they don't
know the real the games the kids are playing.

Speaker 13 (01:17:31):
Yeah, but I mean, I do agree that the plot
isn't that well made. I think the plot had a
lot more potential, for sure. You know, I was talking
about that my friends. I was talking about that. I
was looking online and everything, and I don't And I
also agree, I don't think the plot is the best.
But I'm hoping if they do make a sequel, the
plot would be much better, which I think they have

(01:17:51):
a huge opportunity for. But yeah, like I said, the
actors were I think the actors were actually well picked
and a lot of people were upset that it was
live action, which you know, I was. I was upset
at first, but then an action was like, Oh, actually
I think it would It's cool to have live action.
I don't think animated would have been the best.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Were there creepers in this Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
There were?

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Yeah, hostile mobs yep.

Speaker 9 (01:18:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:18:20):
And if you if you don't know what Minecraft is,
it's basically a game where you survive, you can build
whatever you want. Uh, And they just made a movie and.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
It's yeah, any griefers in the game in the movie
creepers griefers? Oh no, a player who intentionally damages other players, builds,
or causes problems. I feel like you and your brother,
you guys do that to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
I feel like you're literally just looking up Minecraft terms
right now on a computer and you're asking your son
about these random Minecraft.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
That's exactly what we're doing. I know there's probably a
pick act in the in the movie.

Speaker 9 (01:18:59):
Really do so? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:19:02):
I really?

Speaker 13 (01:19:02):
I think they incorporated a lot of stuff from Minecraft,
which I really liked. And you know, if you're thinking, oh,
do I need to play Minecraft to watch the movie,
you absolutely do not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Oh you don't.

Speaker 13 (01:19:13):
Minecraft will make it better. I think you'll understand it
a little more. But I like my mom when she
watched it, she didn't really play Minecraft that much, and
she still understood it. But you know, okay, if you
do play Minecraft, you'll enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Do you wait for streaming or do you see it
in the movie theater?

Speaker 13 (01:19:33):
That's a big question I was wondering. So I said,
if you know, you're a huge Minecraft and you're playing
for a while but don't know if it's really worth it,
I could go to the theaters. You know, it'll be
a fun experience. You know, the audience will probably you know,
people that are going or you want to go, and
you'll have good laugh. If you don't, you know, you
play Minecraft, you don't really you know, like it's like

(01:19:56):
I saw the Minecraft movie just Waittil Comes Home. Yeah,
it really it depends you know the price and everything.
But I think if you really like Minecraft, go to
the movies. I think it was actually a great experience.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
All right. And if look and if you don't like it,
Mom and Dad just spent like eighty bucks, no big
deal for like two tickets at least in LA. All Right, Parker,
thanks for calling in. Appreciate it.

Speaker 13 (01:20:17):
Okay, yeah, I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Love you too.

Speaker 8 (01:20:19):
Uh y.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
That's my son Parker with his review of Minecraft, Minecraft
the movie. You know, my kids gave up roadblocks in
the house and it's been kind of a better place,
but now my kid wants to go back to it,
So I don't know. It's you know, it's tough every
every kid handles these video games differently, right, and even adults.

(01:20:40):
I mean it's just in general anything, you know, it's
like it's like, got to use moderation with all this stuff.
All right, do we have time for a question before
we go to break? Quick one? Okay, quick one? Jacqueline
and Michigan. What's your question?

Speaker 11 (01:20:53):
Hi?

Speaker 17 (01:20:53):
Dare can you hear me?

Speaker 6 (01:20:54):
All right?

Speaker 11 (01:20:54):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (01:20:56):
Either, Thank you so much for all you do I have.
I had an iPhone thirteen and I.

Speaker 18 (01:21:02):
Switched services, so I went from T Mobile to Exfinity,
and when they transferred all the data from the iPhone
to the Android, none of my photos transferred over, no videos,
no photos, nothing.

Speaker 17 (01:21:13):
So I went back to the Exfinity store and said, hey,
can you help me? And they said, no, we've done
everything we can.

Speaker 11 (01:21:18):
You're on your own, right.

Speaker 9 (01:21:19):
Oh boo wow?

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
That usually okay. So you want to transfer, you want
to transfer your stuff? Okay, So I would say phone thirteen, okay.
So I would say, let's see okay, pixel has on
its own app, so you want okay. I think the
easiest way to do this would maybe be to download
Google Photos and let it upload all of the pictures.

(01:21:41):
Do you have more than like fifteen gigs of pictures?

Speaker 15 (01:21:44):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:21:44):
I don't know how much I have. I could look
it up, but you said no more than fifteen gigs?

Speaker 11 (01:21:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Are they all an eye cloud or are they actually
on the phone on the phone. Okay, that's that's actually easier.
So I mean there's look, there are so many ways
you can do this. There are many many ways. And
what may you transfer from iPhone to Android?

Speaker 17 (01:22:02):
Well, we it was a better price right for the service.
And I really got to like my iPhone because I'd
always been an Android user. And then I got someone
gave me this, My dad gave me this iPhone thirteen,
and I really came to like it. But then the
T Mobile just it was not a good price. So
then when we switched, they, of course the mobile or
Efinity tells you, oh yeah, everything is super easy. And

(01:22:25):
here we'll give you this free Android and they didn't
have any deals on the iPhone, so I said, okay,
well I'll switch. And then it's been this and I'm
sad because you know, people ask, oh, what about this
or whatever? I want to look at a photo and
I can't, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Okay, Well, I think the easiest way is going to
be to just basically install Google Photos on your old phone.
Let it upload all of your pictures and then they
will all be on Google Photos on your new phone.
I think that's the best way to do it. Jacqueline, Okay,
and at least you can have them there. I got
to think more about the way you do this. Tipic

(01:23:00):
is during the setup of the phone, you would typically
have it bring over all those photos. But unless you
want to, unless you want to set up that Android
phone all again and go through that process, which I
probably don't recommend. But but that's really they they really
missed the missed it when they did that. They should have.

Speaker 17 (01:23:16):
Yeah, they made me said, they did not help it.
They just want to stay all right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Yeah, after that, that's not a very not a very
good salesperson. Sadly, no, no, And I went back again,
and they did, oh yeah, no. Once you're out of
the store, they're like, we're done. We're done with you, Jacqueline.

Speaker 17 (01:23:32):
So install Google Photos on my iPhone.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Yes, and then and then install it. Log in with
your account, with your Google account, and then the same
one that's on your Android phone. Let it upload everything.
You may have to turn your phone the display settings
to never so it doesn't it doesn't lock. Let everything upload.
Keep the Google Photos app open. It will upload all
those pictures that are on your iPhone and then when
you open up Google Photos on your Android phone, they

(01:23:56):
will all be in there in the cloud. And that's
probably the easiest way to do it right now. I'll
noodle this over during break and think if I think
of a better way. But that's probably the best way
right now. Thanks for the call, Jaqueline, You appreciate it.
Eighty eight rich one on one eight eight eight seven
four two four one zero one. This is rich on Tech.

(01:24:20):
Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging
out with you talking technology. The website rich on Tech
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(01:24:43):
tech dot TV. This show is always such a journey.
I mean, just think about how much we've done already.
I mean, we've had great guests on, We've had my son,
we've had callers, we've had emailers, we've had tweeters, all
kinds of stuff. Let's go to Oh and we still
have got coming up this hour. We've got Joel Santo
Domingo of the Wirecutter, who's gonna break down mesh networking.

(01:25:07):
So this is that I'd say it's new, but it's
been around for a while now. But you know all
these little better Wi Fi in your house basically how
to get that or outside whatever you need. Let's go
to Sergio in Azusa. Sergio, you're on with Rich.

Speaker 7 (01:25:21):
Hi.

Speaker 9 (01:25:22):
Rich, you got me right in the middle of a
bike rest.

Speaker 16 (01:25:25):
Well, they come and ask how's your food?

Speaker 17 (01:25:27):
Thank you?

Speaker 16 (01:25:28):
Hey, Rich, I'm vision impaired. I have one eye that
I can see somewhat, the other one I can't. And
shout out to your vision impaired nation out during and
I know you have a lot of callers. I hear
a lot of good tips. I'm calling about the glasses
that allow you to have AI and which are the

(01:25:48):
better ones out there that you recommend. I'm also trying
to see if your callers can send out any tips
for you know, vision impaired accessibility places.

Speaker 10 (01:26:00):
And I appreciate everything you do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Oh thank you. Is this something new that that's happened
or has this been ongoing?

Speaker 16 (01:26:08):
It's been about five years.

Speaker 11 (01:26:09):
OK.

Speaker 16 (01:26:11):
I wasn't really a tech head, but I used it
and everything. I would get frustrated because things would renew
before I had a chance to figure out how the
old one worked, you know. And so I'm looking for
some glasses that I've heard. Facebook has one.

Speaker 9 (01:26:29):
I heard there's another one.

Speaker 10 (01:26:30):
I think called in the Vision, and you know that
I can, Like.

Speaker 16 (01:26:36):
I have children, I can read their papers or go
through the mail. I just want to, like a lot
of vision impaired people, you want to be You want
to not have people depend on you. You want to
do your independent stuff. And there's a lot of us
out there and we appreciate everything you do for us.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Yeah, you want to be able to do what you
want to do and not have to always have someone
helping you do that. That's what I'm understanding. I mean,
so from what I've seen, and you know, I'm sure
i'll get some messages from the community on this. I'm
not an expert in this field, but from what I've
seen at the I go to the Sea Sun Accessibility

(01:27:14):
Tech Expo every year, and the glasses that I see there,
you know, the specialized glasses are usually quite expensive. So
you mentioned you mentioned the Envision glasses. Those look like
Google glass. Those are twenty five hundred dollars, so that's
you know, that's going to be a very expensive solution
to things. There's another glasses called orecam My I three

(01:27:39):
pro and I'm looking at those to see if I
can find a price. Doesn't really it looks like you
have to contact them. Let's see. Oh hold on, oh
there we go. Yeah, those are forty two d and
fifty dollars, so that's you know, those are very very
expensive as well. And then there's another one I'm looking
at Iris Vision. Look like they're using more kind of

(01:28:02):
like a almost like a VR type headset for that.
So I've seen a bunch of these. I did a
story if you if you I'll link these up. But
if you just type in ceasun Ktla DeMuro on Google
you'll see my assistive tech coverage from last year and
this year, where last year I did a lot more
of the glasses in there. But you know, the thing,

(01:28:24):
my takeaway is that these are very expensive, and I
think that's why so many people are turning to the
ray band metas just for everyday help. And you've got
the AI built in, you've got the picture functionality. They're
three hundred and fifty dollars, so at the very least, Sergio,
I mean, they're worth a try. I'm not sure, you know,

(01:28:45):
depending on what you want to do with them. You
know what the functionality is. You know, it may it
may vary. It may you may say, well it works
for this, but it doesn't work for that. But the
things that we kind of had a show maybe last
year talking about these things when I tested them, and
people just kept calling and saying all the ways they
found to use these anything from taking a picture of

(01:29:07):
the back of a product to say and say asking
it how do I microwave this? Or what's the instructions?
Say here it'll do. I mean, it can do some
pretty incredible things, all right. So some of the things
last year that I saw at the at the show
a company called Site so E Site I wear. That's
another specialized Oh this actually saw twice. I saw this

(01:29:29):
at CES as well. So E Site they have glasses
as well, but again, you know, very expensive and so
if you want to invest that kind of money just
to try something, it could be you know, it could
be a letdown if they don't do the things you need.
Envision we did see those as well. The other one
is ocapp Oko. This helps you navigate streets using your iPhone.

(01:29:51):
But Sergio, I try the ray bands for starters. Good
question and some of those emails with your suggestions. Next up,
why find networking? Right here, I'm rich on Tech. Welcome
back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging out
with you talking technology. Joining me now Joel Santo Domingo

(01:30:14):
of The Wirecutter to talk about mesh networking. Joel, thanks
for joining me, Thanks for having me. So mesh networking
been around for a while now, you know, at least
ten years I think since Ero came on the scene.
What does that mean exactly? Like, what improvement did that bring?

Speaker 7 (01:30:34):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:30:34):
Mesh networking is basically with the traditional Wi Fi setup,
you've got your router and a cable modem or a
combination of the two, which is usually called the gateway,
and that provides your Wi Fi in your house. Mesh
network will Mesh networking will multiply that. You'll get several
routers either two, three, four routers in a box. You

(01:30:54):
set it up, and what that does is it will
eliminate dead ze zones in your house. So if you
got a room, say your garage, and you want to
put a you know, a smart speaker in there and
it doesn't quite work, if you have mesh networking, it'll
extend the signal, the Wi Fi signal to other parts
of your house.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
Now, there's been extenders in the past, right, like a
range extender, and those just took like a bad signal
and pushed it further into the corners of your home.
Is this the same thing or is this actually take
the same signal and put it in all the corners.

Speaker 15 (01:31:28):
It takes a signal, it amplifies the signal, and it
routes the signal basically, so if you have an extender,
it just repeats the signal and that'll work for one
room in your house. But if you have you know,
a wing of your house, or if you have a
house that large, or if you have several rooms in
your house that are pretty much unserved by your router,

(01:31:52):
a mesh network can help.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Okay, So that's how you know, Like basically, if your
cable company or whoever, your internet provider, whatever they gave you,
if it's not really working in every corner of your home,
that's when it's time to upgrade to the mesh pretty much. Okay,
So what about all these different terms we've got right now,
You've got Wi Fi six, you've got six E, you've
got seven. Do we need to jump on board with

(01:32:15):
all of those?

Speaker 15 (01:32:17):
Those are the different generations. Ninety nine percent of the
stuff that you have in your house is either be
Wi Fi five or six, which have both been around
for a while, but they're solidly work. Six E extends
it a little bit, extends it too, slightly faster if
you're in the same room as a router, and Wi
Fi seven will help if you have a lot of devices,

(01:32:38):
or if you have neighbors who have a lot of devices.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
For example, it sounds like I need to upgrade to
Wi Fi seven. I've got a lot of devices.

Speaker 15 (01:32:46):
It's not a must do right now, but probably in
the next two years. You probably want to be on
Wi Fi seven.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
But doesn't my device have to support Wi Fi seven
for it to take advantage of that network?

Speaker 15 (01:32:58):
Yeah, that's the rub. You really have to have your
laptop on Wi Fi seven and your phone on Wi
Fi seven to make it makes sense for you to
put it in.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
And so you test these things out. What are you
looking for in your tests? You test these things for
the wirecutter, what are you what are you looking for
when you test these mesh networks out?

Speaker 15 (01:33:16):
You know, first of all, I'm looking for them to work.
Some of them work really well, some of them don't.
I rent a house to actually check it out. It's
larger than the house I currently live in, lots of walls,
lots of rooms. Basically, if you're your signal from your router,

(01:33:36):
if it goes through more than two or three walls
and ceilings count as walls or Flora's count as walls.
If it goes through two or three walls, you probably
want to have a mesh network to help repeat that
signal around your house.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
And what about let's say you don't want to upgrade,
I mean, what about just like some tips for where
to place your you know, your system that puts out
the wife, like your router. I guess so most of
the routers are like kind of also, they spit out
the Wi Fi signal, Right, is that kind of the case?

Speaker 15 (01:34:06):
Yeah, pretty much all the routers spit out the Wi
Fi signal. It's either gonna be a round box or
a square box or a box. Then ten is on it.
The most important thing is to not hide it in
a closet or a cabinet or something like that. You
really want it up high and you want it out

(01:34:28):
in the open because Wi Fi signals don't like to
be blocked by things like wood or metal. Another thing
is you want to put it in the center of
your house or close to the center of your house
as possible. I know that's not always case. That's not
always possible. Like my router is on the end of
my house because that's where the where the internet comes in,

(01:34:48):
the cable comes in. But up high, centrally located, that's
really where you want your router.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
So you're telling me that, like when people walk into
my home, the centerpiece of my home should be my
WiFi router. Like, hey, this is welcome to my home.
Here's my WiFi.

Speaker 15 (01:35:06):
Well that's if you want a good signal everywhere, you
do want it up up high. You can buy routers
like the Euro that you mentioned earlier. It's a small router,
so it's small white box. It shouldn't be too obtrusive.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Okay, So let's talk about some of these brands. What
are some of the best brands that you're seeing right now?
Like I mean, I always mentioned, I always recommend Euro.
It's been pretty solid for me over the years. What
else you know? You've got Euro? How are they doing?
And what are some of the other brands that you like?
I agree with you.

Speaker 15 (01:35:36):
Our top pick is the Euro six right now, and
I've just gone through a round of testing with the
Euro seven and that's going to be my new pick
very soon. I think it's got some improvements. It's a
little more expensive, but it's pretty good. It's pretty solid,
it's easy to set up. It only took me about
five to ten minutes to set up. I do it

(01:35:57):
for a living, but I can see someone who is
a novice taking maybe twenty minutes set this up.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
Now, here's I always give out this tip where because
I made this mistake once I changed my Wi Fi
router and I used a different password and all my
stuff I had to reset up. So I've been saying
since then, like, hey, if you're getting a new router,
like just use your old Wi Fi username and password.
Is that a problem or is that kind of worll? Absolutely?

Speaker 15 (01:36:26):
That's that's my top tip for setting up a new
Wi Fi router or mesh system. If you have you know,
a dozen things or two dozen things, set up speakers,
a streaming box, your phones, just use the old password
and the old network name and everything will hook right

(01:36:46):
up to it right away.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
Okay. Any other brands besides euro that you like that
are doing good stuff.

Speaker 15 (01:36:52):
TP Link, tp Link Deco, Mesh systems are pretty good.
Our upgrade pick is the tp link Deco BE sixty three.
It's for people who need a little more, a little
more performance, more connections. There are two there are two
boxes or two routers in the kIPS. If you put
the other box in your office, for example, you can

(01:37:14):
plug your laptop right into the box and you have
a virtually wired wired signal, which is usually more stable.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
Okay, but well, how much longer do we have on
this format? Okay, I'm gonna we never do this, but
I'm gonna. I'm gonna put you on the spot. We
got a caller, Chris and Florida who wants to know
what to get. Chris, can you explain your situation quickly
for Joel?

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Yeah, Hi Joel, Chris, Miami, thanks for us. Yeah, fifteen
living in Miami, living a condo fifteen hundred square feet
and it's like very quiet. It's not like that new
prefab condo, so it's super quiet. So the walls are
kind of thick, and we have the regular original Wi
Fi by Google and slow.

Speaker 11 (01:37:58):
We have to have two.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
If I have one, doesn't go very far. I guess
now I'm looking at Maybe Euro seven would be nice,
a little pricey, but future proof. Maybe eero maybe six
plus with I don't want to just say just one room,
but maybe extend out over the entire square footage kitchen, bathrooms,
dining room, living room area. What would you suggest? Thank

(01:38:20):
you so much for taking my question.

Speaker 15 (01:38:22):
Sure, are you going to be worrying about a backyard
or a garage or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
No, No, I'm on the sixt floor corner pocket.

Speaker 15 (01:38:31):
Yeah, sure, I would probably suggest an euro seven a
two pack or maybe a three pack, but probably two
pack that I just recently tested one and it covered
a thirty two hundred square flashed house, multiple rooms in it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
Now, the other side of this is the price. So
the Euro seven right now is actually on sale, and
this is it's four hundred and seventy nine dollars. That
sound about right.

Speaker 15 (01:38:58):
The Euro seven I see on Amazon right this second
is the two pack that I recommend. It is two
seventy nine ninety nine. Oh okay, and three pack is
three forty nine ninety nine, so.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
Okay, so there must be okay, So there's a different level.
I see, there's different levels of the of the seven. Okay.
And what do you think about these outdoor you know
the Eero has like that outdoor extender. What do you
think about that?

Speaker 15 (01:39:22):
It's very interesting, it's it's weather proofd Apparently I'm going
to be testing it out sometime this year alongside a
tp link competitor. It looks really cool. You can just
plug it in and it'll cook right up to your
eurosystem or your tp link system and extend it out
to a backy order patio.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
See got it? Okay? Okay? So I see there's Eero
seven and then Eero seven, euro Pro seven, So there
you go. There's a little bit of a delineation there.
Oh my gosh, when you look, I see how confusing
this is for the average consumer. When you go on Amazon,
you've got Eero Eero six, Eero six Plus, Ero six,
Eero Pro six, ee Eero Mac seven, Outdoor seven, Eero seven,

(01:40:04):
Eero Pro seven. Oh my gosh. Just go to Wirecutter.
Check out what Joel has to say. He's got it
all linked up there. Joel Santo Domingo, thanks so much
for joining me today.

Speaker 15 (01:40:14):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Really appreciate it. Good information. Gotta have good WiFi, bottom line,
gotta have good WiFi. If you don't have good WiFi,
what do we have in this world. I don't know.
In my house, if the Wi Fi is down, you
can't do anything. It is all run by Wi Fi.
All right, Coming up, I almost gave the number out.
We're gonna do the feedbag. We've got lots of emails

(01:40:36):
that you sent me throughout the week. We'll get to
those coming up next. Perfect song for spring Break. Welcome
back to the show. We got a lot to get through,
so let me just get right into it a couple
of news tidbits before we get to the feedbag. If

(01:41:00):
you live in La, the my La three one one
app got a major makeover. This is an excellent app
that helps you put in requests to the city like
graffiti removal, bulky item pickup, pothole repairs, and much more.

Speaker 15 (01:41:15):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
They basically got image recognition now, which is really nice.
They just revamped the whole thing. So my La three
to one one available in Apple App Store, Google Play.
If you don't live in La. No matter where you live,
if your city offers an app like this a city
services app, definitely download it. It is so quick. I
literally report when people just put their bulky stuff out

(01:41:37):
on the curb on my street. I'm like, the city's
not just going to come and pick that up. I
report it. Boom, It's out of there like the next day.
It's really really fantastic, so saves you a phone call.
Roadblocks just launched three new parntal controls, so if your
kids play Roadblocks, parents can now block specific games from
their kids account. They can block individual users from the

(01:41:58):
contacting their kids, including the friends I mean obviously if
they don't want to talk to them. You can also
see which games your kid plays the most. So this
is in the Roadblock Safety Center. You do have to
have an account for roadblocks and you link that to
your kid's account. But three helpful things. There been talking
about this little gadget. Really like it. It's called the

(01:42:19):
twelve South airfly Pro two. We've been talking a lot
about travel. They just launched the new version of this
little dongle that basically lets you use your own wireless
headphones on planes. So you take this Bluetooth dongle, you
plug it into any headphone jack. Most of the time
people are using this on planes with the seatback entertainment,
but you can use it in an older car gym equipment,

(01:42:40):
game consoles, and it basically allows you to use your
high quality bluetooth headphones with the seatback entertainment. It's sixty bucks.
It's brand new, upgraded, it's got USBC now, longer battery life.
You can connect two headsets, two people can listen at once. Anyway,
if you are a traveler, this is something to have
in your travel bag. Sixty dollars well worth it for

(01:43:04):
the higher quality. I call this in between technology because yes,
airplanes are upgrading to Bluetooth to connect your headphones directly,
but not all of them have that. And then Verizon
right now is advertising this three year price lock, which
is nice no price increases on the core monthly price
plan for the next three years. Obviously doesn't include the
taxes or the fees that they add on, but they're

(01:43:26):
also offering a free phone with trade in, even to
existing customers. So let me just do the math for you.
If you're on the unlimited Welcome Plan sixty five dollars
a month with AutoPlay auto pay, you can get an
iPhone sixteen E, a Galaxy S twenty four FE, or
a Pixel nine A, basically an average of a six
hundred dollars phone. But do the math. So if you

(01:43:49):
signed up for Mint Mobile, which is only thirty dollars
a month, you would save sixty five thirty five dollars
a month times thirty six months. That's twelve hundred and
sixty dollars saving versus Verizon, and minus the six hundred
dollars phone that you're getting quote unquote free. That's still
saving six hundred and sixty dollars over three years. Now,
I get it. Math is hard, people, don't want to
do math, But folks do the math please. You'll find that.

(01:44:13):
I get it. It's called inertia. You want to just
stick with what you have, you get it, but you're
on the hook for thirty six months of paying more
for something. So just just investigate all of your options
if you're going to take advantage of this. I'm not
going to fault you for doing the free phone through Verizon.
I'm just saying it's not necessarily free. You are paying
for it in the form of higher monthly costs with

(01:44:36):
your plan, where you can get a plan that's much
cheaper elsewhere. All right, we got so many emails this week,
I don't even know where to start. James from Tustin
writes in I was accidentally scammed twice by phony sweet
sweepsteak scams online, once for one hundred twenty seven dollars,
another for one hundred and forty one. I used a
card issued by my bank. When I realized what I

(01:44:58):
had done, I immediately reported them as unauthorized charges. They
said they had to wait for the pending charge to finish.
They did investigations on both and denied my refund saying
they are authorized charges. Ugh, get a new credit card
if your card, saying that get a new one because
no way. Another scam. Steven and Santa Monica says, hey, rich,

(01:45:19):
I got scammed after taking a survey that looked like
it came from Triple A. I just renewed my membership,
so I let my guard down. It seemed like a
legit reward offer. The site showed two of my saved
cards minus the CVV, and I added a third to
complete the order. After submitting, I got a strange red
error message and no confirmation. Soon after, my credit card

(01:45:40):
company flagged one of the charges, two were legit, one
was blocked. It all came from a weird email address,
not the one the survey used. I ended up canceling
the card. I also spotted similar email scams pretending to
be from CVS and State Farm offering an emergency car
kit with high end gear. Clearly too good to be true.
Steven and Santa Monica listening on KFI, be careful out there,

(01:46:01):
Linda and Huntington Beach says, I'm looking for a good
iPhone camera adapter, something with zoom for my iPhone twelve
to capture a full moon. I'd love to capture it
with my phone. Any suggestions, Uh, probably not going to
work very well. There are a couple of things you
can get on Amazon that will do this. But if
you're really serious about moon photography, there's a thing called

(01:46:22):
Hestia that is very pricey. But if you just go
on Amazon and look up basically capture Moon pictures iPhone,
you're just like little cheap adapters you can buy that
will magnify let's see here. Oh my gosh, so many emails.
We had a bunch of people that called in saying
how great Costco is to buy a chromebook. Tim writes in,

(01:46:42):
for the caller who had minimal tech needs and never
owned a computer, I'd strongly recommend a chromebook from Costco.
I recently contacted Costco support and it was beyond excellent.
A chromebook should cover everything he needs, mostly web browsing,
and it's forgiving something goes wrong. You can easily reset
the operating system. A macro PC might be too much,
especially if an iPhone feels overwhelming. Great advice. Tim Janine

(01:47:06):
in North Upland says Costco Concierge is wonderful for anything
you buy there. Their tech support has always been able
to help me. Janie Tony from New Jersey, my home state,
writes in, I was hoping the segment with Mark Vino
would have been longer. There are lots of people like
me frustrated with Apple's iOS. It feels like every update
fixes one thing but breaks several others. I've dealt with

(01:47:28):
vertical lines, keyboard glitches, Wi Fi problems, you name it. Meanwhile,
they keep focusing on gimmicks like Image Playground instead of reliability.
And don't get me started on the Apple Intelligence rollout,
promising features that aren't even coming until next year after
hyping them for iPhone sixteen. We'll get Mark back on
the show. Let's see what else. Oh my gosh, so

(01:47:48):
many emails here. I was trying to find one to
end the show, Bobo on a nice note, because you
always said I end with the nicest ones. Here we go.
Steve writes in, thanks to your podcast, I easily deleted
my data and account from twenty three and may I
know I had one more nice one? All right? That's
going to do it for this show. Links to everything
I mentioned on the website. Rich on tech dot tv.

(01:48:10):
Thanks to everyone who makes this show possible. Thanks to you,
for listening. My name is rich Demiro. Talk to you
real soon.

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