Send in the Clowns: ICP Invite You To a Gathering of the Juggalos

Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope are the Insane Clown Posse. Their fans call themselves the Juggalos and Juggalettes. Each year they hold their annual Gathering of the Juggalos. It is a bazar of fairground games, hip-hop, horrorcore rap, oil wrestling, fight clubs... but also family. Get comfortable, crack open a Faygo and... "Whoop Whoop!"

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey Hey Elizabeth, Hey there, how you doing.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
I got a question for you.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Yes, it's ridiculous, I do sure, Okay, this came from
the interns. Of course they don't have any original thoughts
of their own. Yeah, so this came from someone on
instant and their dogs and their dogs. So that's another
two strikes right there. So they they forwarded to me

(00:31):
from Instagram a message from a cool dad, a guy
named Stu dear Love out of New Zealand. He's got
two kids who are major rude dudes and apparently also
cool too.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Shout out to the deer loves Now.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Stu apparently does not abide by the Geneva Convention and
sent us an absolute war crime of a suggestion for
something ridiculous. Now, you may have noticed I have been
talking about mashups.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I've noticed that.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Because I got so disgusted with them and they all
were kind of the same thing over and over again.
It just wasn't fun for me anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Then I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
This brought it all back. Yeah, and he was just
like super apologetic for having sent this. There's a company,
it's like a pub and and brewery in Wisconsin called
Drink Wis constably, ridiculously drink whis constantly and they have

(01:32):
all sorts of you know, various bruise and they make vodkas.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Oh this is not like a non alcoholic.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
They like they have like beers whiskey, and so they
have this vodka that they make for the there's this
is the fifth year of something called curd Fest, like
Cheese Wisconsin, and so they had they throw this curd
Fest and they came up with cheese curd vodka.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Do they ferment the cheese curds or just kind of float?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
It's like, what do you call it? I can't think
of the word where you infuse. So I think they
just let the cheese. I don't know. It's so it
looks like orangeina colored.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, and it is just like cheddar cheese curds.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, it's uniquely Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
They're the ones who gave us the orange cheddar differentiated
from New.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
York checks exactly. And so their notion was that you
were going to use this in Bloody Mary's and like,
you know, they put so much garbage in Bloody Mary's.
I was, I was at a restaurant the other day
and I saw some of they put like bacon. There's
like a corn dog and there was a palm front

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and then a flip flop.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I don't know, but they do.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Told they put bacon. I hate bacon and everything. AnyWho,
They were going to use it in Bloody Mary's, but
then people start requesting shots of it, and then people
were getting a ranch chaser for.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
It, like a shot glass of ranch.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah. So you take a shot of cheese curd vodka
and then you chase it with you know, ranch. There's
a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's just gonna stick to your esophagus like nothing's gonna
hit your stomach.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, Stu, thank you for bringing me back into the
world mash up.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
You seem nice.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
The article I found about it was in Vice, and
I didn't know Vice was still.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
They came back.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, so they're back anyhow. That is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's definitely ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I know.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
You know what else is ridiculous, Elizabeth?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
What else?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
You have some time to talk about our lords and saviors?
The insane clown posse. Oh my god, what I'm really saying,
Elizabeth is have you heard of their fans? The Juggalos?

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Anyway, I got you for you. Yeah, this is ridiculous

(04:23):
crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers. Heis, and
cause it's always ninety nine percent murder free, a one
hundred percent ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yes, oh Elizabeth, oh.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Saren, Why are you looking at me like that? Do
you already know about the Juggalos? That's why you're like,
I don't really know.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
I don't know about the face paint.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Okay, you know about the face paint, so you're not
a juggle lette.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
What I know about the Juggalos will fill your diaper?
I don't know. I don't know anythink about. I just
know that there's the face paint and there's a soda
that they like. Yeah, fago, yes see that's two things
some total of knowledge.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Okay, well, boy, are you in for a surprise. And
they used to be phil a diaper.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
They were the backup dancers for Taylor Swift for a while, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Exactly, choreographers actually, but also one was a backup dancer
other one was a backup dancer slash choreographer. I think
I should point that out.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, double threat in fairness.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
To violent Jay, so insane clown Posse is a rapper,
a duo from Detroit.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
It's a duo. I thought it was like a full
on band.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, it's primarily a due There's been different lineups over
the years. So and you were right. They are huge
fans of the soda called Fago, which is also a
Detroit based soda company. The rappers are known to spray
the two liter bottles of Fago on their fans from
the stage, and the fans spray themselves and it's just
like fay Go everywhere.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Feo everyone Dicky.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
So a little bit about their fans, Elizabeth, as you
know are now know they're called the Juggalos and the
fems and females are a juggle lets u lets. It's
just like how The Grateful Dead has dead heads, insane
clown Posse has jugglos and jugglettes.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, but there aren't dead ets.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
No, well the dead heads they don't have the Latin
version of like what's gender are? They're just everybody dead heads.
They're all dead. What does it matter? You've probably seen
these Juggalos on TV. They occasionally show up on shows
like Jerry Springer, Doctor Phil, maybe a Vice documentary. Right now,
the band Insane Clown Posse. Do you know much about

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their music? Are you down with the ICP side?

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I heard any song.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I could not tell you. I feel like they came
around the rap rock era.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, they actually kind of predate. They do predate the
rap rock era in a lot of ways, but they
also come in right on the the the peaks of that.
It's kind of hard to explain. I'll point it this way.
I have answers for you. Thank you so much, all
kinds of answers. Some of these answers you may not
even want, but I have them.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Don't they put the face makeup in their facial hair?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yes they do, Elizabeth, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
I'm getting a little bit flash.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
They're all coming back. Yeah, it's like watching someone with amnesia.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
It's like a non flashback.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
So welcome back to the war So Insane Clown Possis
I told you it consists of two rappers, both white
boys from Detroit. And if you were wondering, they weren't
riding Eminem's coat tails. They pre date Eminem Yeah, yeah,
and kid Rock. They were the first of the famous
white boys on the mic in Detroit.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Did they play like festivals?

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yes, a lot of festivals they.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Play, like the Warp Tours.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I didn't look up to all their events, but I
maybe they might have. I can't say yes, or I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
To think if there was a place where I would
have seen them, but I don't think so, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
You'll actually I do know, but I'll get to that later.
You know what they started spitting bars as ICP back
in nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
What yeah, what were they like their kids?

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, they were kids were they were a little older
than that. But now there as they said, there's been
multiple line ups over the years, but the essentially it's
Violent j that's the bigger, taller one whose government name
is Joseph Ruse. And then there's his partner, Shaggy Too Dope.
His government the number two, Shaggy Too Dope, as.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
In like two dopes in one.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
There you go, perfect just like that, and the government
his government name is Joseph Utzler. It don't worry, We'll
just called them Violent Jay and Shaggy Too Dope and
keep things simple.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Lame of a band name is insane clown posse. What
are you talking about there with Cherry Poppin?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Are you kidding, that's what you think when you when
I hear that the the insane clown posse, I don't
think of like the alliteration or sound rather of it,
but think of it this way. We're talking about a
group of insane clowns, like or it's a cowboy group
chasing a bunch of insane clown Is it modifying possi

(08:52):
clown or is people chasing them rounding them up? So
I don't know which one, but either way I want
to know about them. Well, Elizabeth, the Violent Jay, as
I told you, is the bigger one. The shorter one
is shaggy twoop. I don't have any photos, but in
case you see the ones, there's usually a height difference
in their photos. That way, exactly exactly, very much like Burtary.

(09:15):
Actually so violent Jay. He was born in Berkeley, Michigan,
which is not at all like the Berkeley you know
in California's the opposite in a lot of ways.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
No.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Violent Jay was the last of three kids. His parents
were together when he was born, and but that didn't
last long because his pop split when he was about
two years old. Not only did he do the disappearing actors,
he also took all of the family's money before he bounced, right,
real class act totally, So that left violent Jay has
two older siblings and now their single mother. So Mama
gets a job pushing a mop as a janitor. She's

(09:47):
keeping a roof over their heads. But for food, the
family mostly counts on like local food pantries, canned food
drives at school. For clothes, the family relies on rummage
sales held at the kids school. That's always fun for
a kid to be wearing your classmates giveaway clothing, yeah,
and eating the cam food that they also are giving away,
because that never leads to bullying and.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Wearing all the face paint that.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Comes later, Elizabeth. So, of course, violin Ja, he's a
sensitive kid at heart. Essentially he's an artist. Right. Oh here,
I'll give you a perfect example of this guy. There's
this butterfly. The butterfly you need to know about the butterfly.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Butterfly.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, violin Ja seven years old. Right, he's outside his
older brother. They're doing like huckleberry finn stuff in Wisconsin
or Michigan. Rather now they're catching frogs, crawdads, chasing butterflies,
that kind of stuff, right, and at one point, they
catch a butterfly, right, and this is brilliant, beautiful butterfly, Elizabeth, Like,
I'm telling you this butterfly. It's a real looker, right,
it's the colors of its wings striking, mesmerizing. Right, this

(10:46):
kind of butterfly. If you're a kid, you see it,
you never forget it. That's what I mean. Remember seven
years old. So what do they do? Well, they catch it,
they put it in a glass jar, they take it home.
They want to own all this gentle, delicate beauty that
they see, mesmerizing beauty. Right, So what happens? They wake
up the next day they're beautiful, brilliant butterflies lying there,
limp and lifeless. Yeah, so the butterfly it's dead or

(11:06):
and Elvis Presley, So what are the kids do? They're devastated, Elizabeth.
They always intended to let the butterfly go the next day.
They just wanted to have it that night and then
wake up the next day and show their mother or whatever.
And uh, when they you know, this devastation, when they
realize the butterfly's demise, they feel like murderers, right. They
they are so butterfly killers, if you will, they're staring

(11:29):
at their dead formerly brilliant, beautiful butterfly and Violent Jay
and his older brother. They make a vow Elizabeth, a
solemn vow Violent Jay and his brother. They vow that quote.
One day they will make it to heaven so they
can apologize to that butterfly face to face.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Wow, that's the vow of a seven year old.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
And the older brother. So they did that, Butterfli's passing
real hard. I don't think I've conveyed how hard they
took that passing Elizabeth fun fact. On every single Insane
Clown posse Ep album What have You, you will find the
words dedicated to the butterfly.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well that's kind of sweet.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
See, I knew you'd like that. Now you can say
the whole juggal of empire is built on those butterfly wings.
Yeah right, anyway, that's Violent Jay as a seven year old.
Right then he moves, he changes schools into new school.
He gets caught up in gang life, and that's also
where he meets his new partner, Shaggy Too Dope. Now,
back then as a school kid known as Joe Utzler,
you know, but we're gonna call him Shaggy Too Dope. Okay,

(12:31):
I need to tell you about their og rap names,
because before they were Shaggy two Dope and Violent Jay,
they had their kid rap names their first ones, right,
So Violent j when he gets into rap, he calls
himself Jagged Joe right, like like a knife jagged Jagged
Joe right, and his partner is Shaggy two Dope, called
himself Master j now because that's because his little brother

(12:52):
was also in their crew. And he called himself Kangle
Joe because so we got yeah, a lot a lot
of Joe's right, whole lot of Joe's Joe, Kangold Joe
and Master j collectively known as the JJ Boys. They
record their first tracks. This is nineteen eighty nine. This
is when they get started around the same time Violent
Ja he drops out of school. He's like, I'm good,
ninth grade, I'm good. So he moves in with another

(13:13):
friend of his and this is where he starts his
own street gang. Right, and now they call themselves wait
for it, ICP. What does the ICP stand for?

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Insane?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
No Inner City posse. They start with different letters, different
name for the same letters. So what kind of street
gang are we talking about here? Are they like corner boys,
slanging rocks. Are they stick up kids like mugging the
swells and the tourists?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Are they?

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Are they soldiers? Are they hitters?

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Are they taggers?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
They taggers? Like? How deep in the game the street
gang we're.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Talking, I think very shallow.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
From what I can tell, this stone is skipping on
the surface. The ICP boys or whatever is below a
stick up kid in the hierarchy of like value and worth.
They were basically car break in punks. Yeah, well not
even They would wear old Army Navy star gas masks
and then they'd break into park cards and steal car stereos,
not even like everything, just the car stair house. They're

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scraping along on the bottom of the street crime game, all.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Right, So that is low.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
That is dusty, That totally dusty. I figure you wouldn't
like that. Now they do catch a rivalry though, the
legit beef with a Crosstown gang, a Hazel Park posse,
and they that.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Hazel Parkos, Hazel Park boy.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
They're legit Elizabeth because they come to violent Jay's mama's
house and come looking for violent j like banging on
windows and whatnot, maybe shooting up the tires of cars.
I don't know, but it scares him bad enough that
he flees the scene. And when I say flees the scene,
he cut and run to North Carolina. Oh yeah, that's
where his big brother was now living and he was
in the army.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Right, so that was like Fatteville.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Probably right now, after another scrape of the law, he
returns home to his mama's house. Violent J decides time
to go all in on his music. This is still
nineteen eighty nine. Now Violent J and his buddy they
pull out a karaoke machine. Now this is the kind
that they record their first early tracks on. Right, first
early tracks called Intelligence and Violence. Song doesn't matter, but
it does mark the birth of his rap name Violent J.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
I see now.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
At this point, Violent Jay drags his karaoke machine over
to his partner's house so Kangle Joe and Master J
can get on the mic with him. Right now, the
JJ boys decided to change their names to their new
street gang name, Inner City Posse, so they start rapping
on the mic as Inner City Posse. Two years later,
fast forward nineteen ninety one, the group hires a local

(15:22):
record store shop owner to be their manager. They're like
you you understand business. So they form a new company,
Psychopathic Records. Right now, Elizabeth, do you know, as asked
before I had their music sounds like you're heard of
the sub genre horror core rap, horror core, horror core rap. No,
the most famous exemplars of the sub genre of rap
would be the group the Gravediggas, which was it featured

(15:44):
Rizza from the Wu Tang clan. You know him, I
am now. They were the founders, the pioneers of horror core.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Basically, they just do the rappings about scary stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
They heard what the Ghetto boys were doing on their track,
like my mind is playing.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Tricks on such a good I.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Knew you'd like that. And the grave Diggas are like,
what if that song was a whole album, like just
ever the whole band, the whole vibe. Okay, So there's
songs about are like about murder, graveyard, suicide, torture. It's
like the bleakest albums in hip hop.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
The first album comes out in nineteen ninety four, at
the height of gangster rap like NWA and also the
height of backpack rap like tribe called quest I Am
a Sapien. Then there's also at the same time, the
resurgence of the New York like banging underground sewer sound right,
you got EPMD Redman k solo gabrew the Damager leaders
in New School that old vibe right then. Also you
still have Wu Tang and all their solo albums. All

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this is coming out right and everybodle all that. Rizza
is like, I really want to make an album that
has songs that make people question my sanity. He speak,
I want people to go is he insane?

Speaker 3 (16:41):
So?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Is he a clown?

Speaker 2 (16:43):
So there's a song on the their first track called
Diary of a Madman, And in this song it features
Rizza telling the most brutal, bizarre, yet strangely eloquent horror fantasy.
Like if these lyrics basically Elizabeth, they they spawn a
whole sub genre just these lyrics. You could just pike
these and you're like, okay, that's horror core anyway. Rizza,
he rhymes basically the year eighty four, November day ten.

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Overwhelmed by the wicked inspirations of an evil gin, I
realized my ideas had spawned for four hundred years of blood,
sweat and tears. I thought of the brutal torture motor
of my father, So my brain became staying with the horror.
I'm having recurring nightmares of being soaken, wet, strapped down
to the electrochair. I got tackled with handcuffs and shackled
and restrained in the bottom of a holy tabernacle. They

(17:25):
gave me nothing to eat for two weeks, and so
my eye lid open, so I couldn't sleep. Right, So
you get the idea just like coming at you.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It starts like the transcripts of a therapy session, and
then it's like, tell me about your most recent nightmare.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
The song ends with him chewing his own arm off
to make his escape. Oh right, so got a little
Cool Keith in there too, I would say totally. Oh yeah,
Coolciates is definitely an influencer Right now. I gotta say,
it's wild how Rizi wrestles with the horrors of life
for Black America. But it's not about this life on
the streets. It's like the horrors of history. Yeah. So
the dudes from in saying clown posse, they hear this,

(18:01):
They're like, yo, we also really want to make an
album that has songs that make people question our sanity two. Okay, right,
so let's okay, let's take a break and after all
these little hand prepared ads, we'll get back and then
I will introduce you to the Juggalos then juggle Lettes
and how they come into all this. Oh and more crime, yeah, way,
more crime. Oh, Elizabeth, we're back, look at us. Hey, Okay,

(18:43):
did you know Insane Clown Posse has two, count them
two platinum albums?

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Platinum?

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay, they also have five that's right, fiber than f
five gold albums.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I can see. I mean, they have a pretty big
fan base.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Oh they slouches, I'm telling you, like they're selling, They
got fans. These aren't a pair of bozos. Well actually
they are because you know, in saying clown possy, but
you know whatever, looking past, they're into clowns, clowning the
whole thing. I mean, it's right there in the name.
But really you could take their name kind of two ways,
you know, as you pointed out, they are a possibly
of mentally unstable clowns, right, But in their case, I

(19:17):
think they tried to focus more on that they have
a posse, you know, like they're the Insane Clown Posse.
So I guess we're gonna put the influence on. They
are clowns, so other fans, their fans are also insane
and it grows from there. So when you join the army,
you join the insane clown posse.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
But like, maybe are they clowning on people? And it's
not I wish?

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Oh no, it's I think it's dark they know, like
the that movie with the Murderous clown Sewer. Yeah, and
they have another. They have a clown that's called hatchet Man.
He's like the whole like archetype of their vibe.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
You cannot clown on someone while you're wearing face paint.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
No, what are you talking about, Homie the clown?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
You cannot clown clown.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I'm telling you he is like you gonna tell Damon
Wayne's But other than how am I totally agree? So no,
maybe I shouldn't call these guys like my men like
I sometimes do. But I've never been to an insane
clown posse show. I've never watched like Juggalo Championship Wrestling.
I've never been to a gathering of the Juggalos. But

(20:19):
if I slip into calling them my men, it's because
they seem like good people with good hearts. Yeah, who've
seen the rough side of America. And you know me
either are underdogs. I pull for underdogs. Yeah, and they're insane,
so I want to keep them close, but not too close. Kidding, Oliva,
what do you know about the gathering of the Juggalos?

Speaker 1 (20:34):
The only thing I know about Juggalos, aside from the
love of that soda the fago, is that apparently like
and maybe I'm mistaken for another group, aren't they like
very like not charity minded, but there's like.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
A community minded.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, community minded, like there's a lot of mutual aid exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, you have a lot of economically disadvantaged people from
primarily the midwatt and also extending down to like New Mexico, California,
and they're all over the country, but you know, radiating
out from Detroit essentially, So the closer to Detroit, the
more likely you are to be a fan of theirs. Yeah,
and you have a bunch of basically economic disadvantaged youths
who all find them and then find like this kind

(21:16):
of like gesture like quality, this circus vibe, this carnival air,
but it's also very community minded, much like the Dead heads,
but without this like we're going to change the world
or need of the Hippi stuff. It's more like we're going
to take care of each other since no one's taking
care of us.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, and it's like they're not wimpy, but the same time,
when you're.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Wild and reckless, but they also have mad love for
each other.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
It doesn't feel like they're destructive.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
They are. They're very destructive. They do the backyard wrestling,
they're offensive, they do all sorts of stuff. I mean,
there's like it's it's horrendous that you're gonna see, Elizabeth.
I'm gonna walk you through. I want but before we
walk into this circus, I want you to know these
are good people, all right.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I just hold my hand, are you just I feel
like you're setting me up like you did with the furry.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, that's why I'm hold my hand. You're not going
to be You're not going to be judgmental.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
We're just gonna the fall of no of dark Elizabeth,
just just keep so.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
The gathering of the jugglers, right as I said, it's
like this carnival circus the last five days. These days
and it used to be shorter, but now it's five days.
There's all sorts of entertainment if you went there right,
as I mentioned, there's Juggalo Wrestling Championship. There's all sorts
of County Fair inspired games, like you know, things you'd
find on the midway, you know, like was wholesome. Yeah, totally,
but it done a little differently, like instead of like
knocking down milk bottles, it's like knocked down sex toys

(22:37):
or whatever. Then you get like, oh, here's a bear.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
I thought they would be like very meta and you
you haven't you seen the ones where we have to
hit the clown.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, there's that's a lot of clown stuff, of course, clowns,
clowns everywhere. Yeah, a lot of clown violence, clown on clowns,
sexy clowns, ugly clowns, airy clowns, drunk clowns, hobo clowns, clowns.
So there's also like open mic comedy shows though, so
there's that kind of clown as well. Right, Oh yeah,
there's oil wrestling, wet t shirt contests if that's your thing.

(23:04):
There's there's at night there are theme parties. I'll just
leave it at there. There's also Juggalo karaoke because I
mean you gotta have the karaoke that's where the band started.
So anyway, for live music, there are multiple days of concerts.
There's obviously insane clown Posse performs the headliner, but they
share the bill with all sorts of other acts. Now,
some are underground acts, some are local favorites, Some are

(23:26):
like Juggalo cover band group things right. Some are big
name acts like Elizabeth Can you guess three big acts
that have played at the gathering of the Juggle heavy
on the hip.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Hop, heavy on the hip hop, just for you know, like.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Okay, but not Mariah Carey. That's what I'm saying. Like,
no poppy, no feist, none of that.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Thank your hometown. Just name any rapper from your hometown. Yes,
Too Short was that? No, not that I'm aware of,
But I can tell you that, uh, Digital Underground has
put performed there. Yeah, post Tupac, Yes, talk.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
About how Too Short will play any.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yes, guys you got ten grand they're there, A little
bit more of that. I don't know up in here.
You want to guess again?

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Okay, so we had Digital Underground. Is it another Oakland?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
No, no move away from Oakland. But the name of
a wrap ack from the nineties. You know, uh, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I'm blanking.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Just any wrap act from the nineties. Look, yes, what,
Yes he's from the eighties. Yes, let's try again. You
want to keep rolling? Should we roll over your winnings?
Or you want to stop there?

Speaker 1 (24:45):
I don't know, knows another wrap act from the nineties.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Any nineties rap act you can think of? Yes, isn't this?
So here's a full rather fuller list. O dB Old,
Dirty Bad, Ray Hwan Sadella Ice, George Clinton in Parliament, Funkadelic.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I wish it was George Clooney.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
How about Morris Day in the Time I love?

Speaker 3 (25:10):
I know you do?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Is they put them up on the list? Method Man
and Red Man? Uh huh? Digital Underground, I said, ice
Cube and Guard not together? Yes. Also there's that Buster Rhymes,
Little John, Exhibit Bone, Thugs and Harmony to Live Crew.
That's for you, Producer D three six, Mafia, Coolioh, Bubba Sparks,
Yang Twins, Scarface, Naughty by Nature, Warren G Cypress, Hill,

(25:34):
DJ Quick, Tome, Loke, Cheech and Chong, The Far Side,
Fat Boys, Cool Keith. That's again for your. Producer d
Onyx Swoom Dude and Master P and the Ghetto Boys
once again separate.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Sorry, isn't that nuts? How many people they're like, we
are keeping these boys?

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yes, that's a lot. How many years has this thing
been going on?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Well, it's interesting. I'm glad you asked about that. I'll
tell you that one second. But first, let's with nineteen
ninety seven. Okay, right, because that's well dateline Detroit, nineteen
ninety seven. Who else would be coming up in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Seven ninety seven as a rapper from Detroit? Eminem?

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Boo, do you know who also hates the insane clown
posse eminem? But he didn't always hate the insane clown
posse eminem? Same person.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, that was like, you know what, whose opinion I want?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Unfortunately I'm not that. I will not linger that that
whatever he says hanging over this story, I have no
fifty cent opinion on this. I wish I know that
he is your great decider of like, well, what's fifty
cent thing about that?

Speaker 1 (26:38):
No, if someone's shady, he'll let you know totally.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Oh yeah, he is like the BS detector. So there's
this young up and coming rapper making a name for
himself in ICP territory. Oh yeah, to be honest, he
sort of looks up to them from making it out
of Detroit as white rappers because you see Elizabeth Iss,
young and up and coming rapper. What's his name, Jack White? Eminem,
So I probably should have told you that earlier so
you'd have gotten it right. But anyway, you know what,

(27:02):
Eminem has a local show and while he's out putting
up flyers, he sees Violent J. He's like, oh, dude,
Violent jet Man. It goes over being ambitious because it's
you know, the future Slim Shady. He goes up to
Violent J and shows him that he has included insane
clown posse on the flyer for his show. Eminem was he, yeah,
he was about to break joint his Slim Shady EP.

(27:22):
This is the release party for that, and the flyer
for his release party says and I quote featuring appearances
by Asham Kid Rock and ICP. Maybe. Oh so, Eminem
was like, look, white rappers of Detroit unite, right, But
Violent J isn't down for Eminem just using his name
like that, so he even calls him on it, standing
there in front of him. Now he asked him, like,

(27:43):
why did you think it was cool for like using
our name without hitting us up for permission? Right, nothing,
We didn't even reach out. Eminem being Eminem is like,
and I quote it says, maybe maybe you will be there.
I don't know. That's why I'm asking you right now.
You guys coming to my release party or what?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Hustle?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
What do you think Violent Jay's reaction to Eminem's late
invitation to release party?

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Will they slap them.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Now? Violent j told Eminem, no, I ain't coming to
your party. We might have if you would have asked
us first before putting us on the flyer.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Like this, Oh hey, coming in hot right, And from
that point on, Insane clown Posse has made an enemy
of Eminem.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Now, in case you missed it, that dude can hold
a grudge Eminem.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Oh yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Anyway back to Insane clowm Possey. By now, they're not
quite big time, but they're also not working day jobs
like they're making money. They're making it pay. They are
coming up in the world of hip hop, right, and
the success starts to go to their heads clearly as
we just saw, Oh yeah, yeah, he's also just reaching
out to him as a fan, as a local, as
somebody's part of possibly the posse. Yeah no, anyway. Also,

(28:54):
Eminem's about a quickly eclipse them, but we'll get to
that in a second. So at this point though, people
are starting to know about em Lisa Detroit and that's
making tensions a little tight. So in November of nineteen
ninety seven. That same year, Violent J tries to play
whack a mole with a microphone on a fan's face
down in Albuquerque, New Mexico, ICP. They had a show
and at one point Violent J. He beats this fan

(29:16):
with a microphone, and I don't mean like six seven times.
He hits the dude thirty times upside the.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Dome and the guy didn't run.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
It got him arrested, right, so baol five grand Yeah
he boom, he's out too.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Because was it a wireless mic Does that matter? Well? Yeah,
because if it has a wire you just move out
of the how far can you reach?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
That's how you think the man's hitting me in the
head of the microphone. You're like when you scooch back
in this strip, give.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Me a little room and then I'm going to hit him.
Give me some room, meaner niner.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Oh there you go. That's devastating. I know, are you
in battle rap scenes finish At this point two months later,
this story has gotten out, like I have you beat
your own fans with a microphone. So January ninety eight
magazine comments on the Insane Clown Posse. They're growing fame, right,
they're fans the Jugglers introducing in the world to them

(30:06):
and de lunacy that is this world right. Spin runs
a cartoon, like a four page cartoon making fun of
Insane Clown Posse in their own style basically yeah, and
Spin also says that Insane Clown Posse was bad not
because they were risking anything and failing. Instead, they were
offensive because quote not for their obscenity, but for their stupidity.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Their intensive stupidity is amazing exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
So around the same time Violent Jay and Shaggy Too Dope,
they get into it again with a fan. This time
I think it was a confirmed hater. Though the band
was on tour. The tour bus pulled into a waffle
house in a town called Greenfield, Indiana.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Okay, never been there, but anyway, I hear it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
They just wanted to eat. They weren't looking for trouble
in a waffle house that god knows what hour. But
you know you can always find it at a waffle house.
The short order cook will come out and beat your assafe. Am, yeah,
do not play with the waffle house. But anyway, customer
sees violent Ja starts in on them and talking bad
about Icy and how Eminem's better or something. I'm assuming now, Elizabeth,

(31:03):
I don't know what all was said, but I do
know a fight broke out and apparently this one irate
customer took on the entire band, their manager, and their DJ.
Oh whoa whole band in Posse was subsequently arrested for
fighting in the waffle house, as was this one customer
one guy. So charges of battery were eventually reduced to
disorderly conduct, which is a misdemeanors and no time boom

(31:26):
now ICP. They did they learn that it was a
bad business decision to beat up their fans and attack
their critics. I'm gonna say no, what kind of they did?
They learned that they need to repair their image. Okay,
so they hired old dirty bastard.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Right, Well, they're done.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
It's not exactly the safe choice but they also hired
Snoop Dog And if anyone knows something about image repair,
is Snoop do DOUBLEG?

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Isn't that the truth? You know, murder was the case
that they gave him.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
You remember his ninety three murder trial.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
And then fast forward and he's at the Olympics watching dressage.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Totally nibble on on with Martha Stewart. So isn't it
wild to see Snoop like comes like such a darling
of the mainstream really is? And he and Snoop didn't
even have to die. I mean usually for a dangerous
black man, he has to die to become as beloved
as that to.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
His face on T shirt?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, to be mainstreamed like that. Anyway. Anyway, back to
Clown Posse and their image rehab. It's nineteen ninety eight,
Violent Jays and Shaggy two Dope. They offer Snoop a
payday to come and appear on their next album. They
offer Snoop forty grand to appear on one song.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
That's a payday for Snoop in those days?

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Is it ninety ninety eight? Yeah, it was a Couacter's
a come up. Now after that goes well, Snoop hooks
them up with ODB and the equally insane rappers like.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Bat right like he's like, they're your problem.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Go downstairs with the basement b o dB is. So
he's down to be on their album. Right, and he's
cheaper than Snoop thirty grand for one song, right.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
This song's a lot of money for one.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Song, totally, and the song is not his best he did.
Let's just say he did not spend much time on his lyrics.
The song is called Bitches and It It's basically ODB
rambling incoherently about his thoughts on the afore mentioned topic of.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Bitches, just swaying back and forth.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
It took them one week of editing to turn his
recording session into four rhymes.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
That four couple producer Dave has to do it exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Poor guy, I know he feels for this. The song
was later re recorded right, but the title stayed from
that original recording. You know right with this about yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:27):
It was yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Next up on their list of features for their new album,
they lined up one more legend from the game I
want to guess Who? No, don't whoa good guess?

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Right?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
No, I'll just tell you it was iced Tea.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
It was iced Tea fin No.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
This is just before he became detective in two exactly.
So he was dropping features on Insane cloullin Posse's new album,
and you can see like why he may be so
keen to become a cop on SBU's I Gotta Take
this is like ten grand for this, that's what he
got paid ten He was a step like three steps down.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
He's just a quarter of Snoop and his.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Song they didn't feel it was strong enough to release
on their album. They didn't make the album.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Oh no, was he like? Now, that's what I call rapp.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
It was eventually released on a later album. So anyway,
they're gambit of hiring old rappers, beloved legends of the game.
Pays off Insane Clown. Posse's able to repair their image,
but then they had more problems with another white rapper,
this time the Beastie Boys.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Oh you do not cross the Beastie Boys in my book.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
The idea was for them to do a photo shoot. Right,
it's for the cover of an old weekly called Alternative Press,
which is inclean. You Membrolla is great old weekly. Yeah,
miss every city had one. They're so good listings of
all the stuff you could do, investigative local journalism. Yeah,
ads for bands looking for like new members, and people
selling like I don't know, claw Foot tub It was

(34:53):
just the best stuff. So ICP is doing a cover shoot, right,
and they're on this photo set and some cat from
their peer, their peer right, starts chatting them up about
their song the World, and specifically the lyrics that said
the Beastie Boys and the Dalai Lama now come on.
The cat from the PR team was like, you need

(35:13):
to change that lyric. It's hell of offensive. I mean
they deserve better. And violent Jay, you know, being violent
Ja is having none of it, right, He's very much
against any type of like censorship. So he tells this
cat from his PR team that I will not be censored, right.
So the PR team then informs him that actually they're
good friends with the Beastie Boys, and more than that,

(35:33):
they are the Beastie Boys PR team. So you guys
are on essentially the same PR label if that puts
in your terms, So like, why don't you guys just
be cool? Change the lyrics plain ice and violent Jay
is like, no, how about your fired get out? And
he straight up kicks a pr team off their photoshoot
while they're repairing their image. So at this point we're
now moving into nineteen ninety nine, Elizabeth, they.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Seem like the way the Furries are, like I'm quirky,
They're all I am contrary.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, but also like just but it's a little deeper
than that, because it's like I've been kicked in bent
and now if I roll over and hit something, it's
because I was kicked in bent. You know, that's the
attitude at this point. We're into nineteen ninety nine, right,
and you want to know something strange, Elizabeth. I know
for a fact that you once shared the same air
as Violent Jay and Shaggy Too Dope and the Insane

(36:24):
Clown Possey and Woodstock ninety nine with Mothers. I was there,
so I got to did you ever steal away so
you could catch that ICP set? Is that why it's
bringing in the back.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Of your memory to figure out what stage they would
have been?

Speaker 2 (36:40):
The side stage definitely if their sideshow character, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Don't know, there was a lot happening, then well they.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Were there too, Wow, Yeah, they were also part of
the lot.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Were they one of those like it's three pm.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I'm guessing it was sunny when they played now this,
it was still a huge come up for them, right.
That meant that the Insane Clown Posse was accused of
settling out by their early fans because they played Woodstock
ninety nine, that kind.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Of stuff, that chaos of that would be so like
that on brand.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
No, No, that's like big labels trying to get to
it was. Yeah, that it was like obvious cash grabs
that they're like these independent like why are you getting
along with those people x Borros, So that sting of
rejection and you know, derision from their fans about their
choice that stayed with Violent Jay and Shaggy too. Dope. Yeah,

(37:30):
they were like, y'all just wait man, you'll see we
ain't sold out to nobody or nothing. Right, So now boom,
we're in the year two thousand. Remember Conan used to.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Do in the year two thousand.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Okay, anyway, year two thousand rolls around and Eminem now
a huge hit, way bigger than Sane clown Posse, and
he hasn't forgotten about the incident with the Flyer, so
whenever he gets a chance, he's running them down, bad
mouthing them in like radio interviews on the TV, just
pissing on their steps that things get so bad. In
the June of two thousand, one of Insane clown Pops
He's affiliates sees Eminem and.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
A parking lot like a franchisee exactly right.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
He's a car stereo shop in like Royal Oak, Michigan
in Detroit suburb basically. And this dude has a pistol
on him, so he goes after Eminem with his gun.
He gets all up in Eminem's face. He threatens him
with the firearm. The cops end up coming separating him.
The dude and Eminem both get arrested. Eminem has to
plead guilty to a lesser charge just to avoid jail time.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
That's not fair.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
The very next month, Insane clown Possean's initiates the first
in a long tradition in a town called Novy, Michigan, Elizabeth.
They host the very first gathering of the Juggalos. Take
a little break and get back. I'm gonna take you
inside the gathering of the Juggalos. Oh no, we're back. Hi,

(39:01):
So you're ready to go to Juggalo? Just hold my head.
We're gonna be fine.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
I love I'm not not an Eminem fan, but I
love a grudge totally, and so now I'm an Eminem fan.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah see, there you go. So uh Eminem right he uh.
He'll come back in the story. But at this point
we have the Insane Clown Pass. Their fans have been like,
you know, giving them a hard time about Woodstock, so
they're like, you guys, see, we'll come back with something
we haven't sold out to anybody, right, So Violent Jay
announces the Gathering of the Juggalos as the Juggalo Woodstock.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Instead of peace, love and music, the gathering is gonna
be three days of karaoke, oil wrestling, backyard wrestling, carnival
side shows, the country Fair midway, and of course insane
clown Posse concert along to Mother Acts. Oh there it is, woo,
so it is. It's a hit. First gathering the Jugglos
is such a hit that the band, riding this cresting
wave of success and proof of all their fans how

(40:03):
much they love them, they decided, let's do this again.
Let's make this an annual event. So they you know,
also they're like, as long as this doesn't take too
much from our legal defense fund. We're good, let's we
got the money. So the next time the band they
caught charges over Eminem. This was because of their tour
road manager, right, because, as I told you, Eminem would
come back to the story. Wasn't long? Wasn't too long?
Eminem the bitsical. The next year, their tour road manager decides, like,

(40:28):
you know, hey, while we have that legal defense fund,
I'm gonna need to dip into it. Boys, because he
chokes out a fan who's wearing an Eminem shirt. What
I imagine the fan was talking some trash about insane
clown posse and their beef with Eminem. Anyway, the tour
road manager gets released on charges of assault and battery
again felony charges later reduced to a misdemeanor.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
That's low level grudging.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Oh totally.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Who I had no opinion on before, But I now.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Growing up every time every time I mentioned him.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
High level grudging, and I'm about that. Don't to this
low level.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
I'm gonna punk your fans. No, no, no, so Elizabeth, now
you're ready to go to the second gathering of the Juggalos.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yes, I guess are. Can we get beat up?

Speaker 2 (41:08):
No? No, no, no, it was held in Toledo, Ohio
very safe place Home of the mud Hens went down
in July of two thousand and one. The attendance was
estimated at sixty six hundred hearty souls. On the bill
for the second gathering were some actual big names. There
was Bone Thugs in Harmony, also three six Mafia and
for the old heads Vanilla Ice. Yeah so yeah, this

(41:29):
was now a three day Juggalo woodstock rousing success, despite
the fact that the headliners Insane clown Posse. When they
took the stage during their show, their fans rushed the
stage so much so that Violent Jay and Shaggy two
Dope had to flee for their own safety out of
the concerns that the stage would collapse.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Oh no, yes right.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Local papers described the scene as a riot, Elizabeth a riot,
and that pretty much guaranteed the success of the third
gathering of the Juggalos.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
I feel like, was there stage just like a big trampoline?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I don't mean that would be good. So also I
forgot after the second one, just after they finished performing
and the pair like fled the stage. Violent Jay gets
arrested because there was an outstanding warrant after he'd beaten
up a Saint Louis radio DJ for making fun of
the posse of mentally unwell clowns.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Oh god, he's gonna come after me pretty much.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
So when the cops took down Violent Jay, it was
like a raid. Like it was like multiple cop cars
from multiple jurisdictions. The tour of bus I think they
were on gets pulled over a few miles from the
venue again, though he gets released on bail. Turn loose
next year. Third gathering of the Juggalos held in Peoria, Illinois.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Okayra been there, I have not, but I hear it'speutiful.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Eight thousand Juggalos show up in Peoria in July two
thousand and two. This was the gathering when Bubba Sparks
got booed off the stage.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Oh my god, Bubba Sparks, didn't you mention him the
other Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Man, he shows up. He keeps popping up. You'd think
that if anyone would be patient and kind with a
white rapper, it would be the Juggalos. But nope, it's
always your own, Elizabeth, always your own. So after Bubba
Sparks gets booed off stage by the Juggle, the fans
came up with the Bubba Sparks Award that was to
be given out to any future acts who also met
the same cruel fate of being booed off the stage

(43:08):
by drunken, sunburnt Juggalos. So okay. That same year, at
the third gathering, there was also another riot. This time
was because the police attempted to prohibit young women from
flashing their breast to the crowd from stage. The Juggalos
then turned on the police, demanding that they enjoy the
freedom of being flashed at by consenting women. The police disagreed,

(43:29):
the pushback turned into a riot. Eventually, tear gas was
fired into the crowd. When that wasn't enough for the
boob loving crowd, the police fired pepperballs and that resulted
in a stampede of confused boob lovers. The fans eventually
did settle down and the concert was resumed. Keep in mind,
this was all indoors, indoors. These have all been occurring indoors.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Tops are like, you're under arrest for being tacking.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
For the fourth gathering of the Juggalos, they opted to
hold it outdoors. They're like, look if a police all
target to fire tear gas into our crowd, we need
a good breeze.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
The whole time I thought they were out in like
a mighty field that's inside like a high school gym.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Basically, or like a small basketball Yeah. So for the
first time the gathering of the Juggle was now last
for twenty four hours, non stop partying. And I think
I should point out there's a lot of drugs at
these gathering, Like people are selling drugs for like slices
of pods. Nobody, No, not at all. So just imagine
people like lying in the mud next to like where

(44:26):
people are walking there.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
You go.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Okay, So to this point, this crowd, who clearly needs
twenty four hours to get in all their partying this time,
there's no major incident at the fourth gathering, right, so
good on them. Maybe there's the right mix of Oh,
being outdoors really helped us.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
We had twenty four hours, we could spread it out.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, But being the insane clown posse, they couldn't help
it find their way into more legal trouble. They're like, well,
we don't need the gathering for that, we'll take it
on our own. Right. So you mentioned earlier their beloved
drink of choice feago. Now you're familiar with fago Have
you ever tasted it? Anything about it?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Orange soda is one of the flavors. There's multiple of them.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
It was originally designed to taste like Russian cake decorations, buttercream. No, no,
like grape and weird like flavors are like fruity flavors
because it was invented by these Russian brothers who were
in the Detroit area. So they make these drinks and
they're like, oh, these are party drinks. So it's like, yes,
grape icing and like yeah, anyway, look it up. So anyway,
while they're on world tour, they make it down Under, right.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
About those Russian icing tips?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
No, no, no, like imagine like they take from the
nineteen hundred, like the late eighteen hundred's, early nineteen hundred.
Really yeah, exactly, No, imagine eating just that icing, like
just the piece that's called what would that taste like
like sugary grape? They're like that would be like a
great drink.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Oh if you say so.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Anyway, they're these guys are down in Australia and they
get stopped by customs officer, right, and you're like why
they well, of course these guys look like they're smuggling drugs.
They're walking around with face paint and they're like no.
But it turns out it was their Fago that got
them in trouble because it looked like they were smuggling
in a commercial they had brought so much and the
Aussis weren't hearing it. They're like, you can come in.

(46:04):
But the Fagos days with May and Bruce right and.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Again, why do I love the Australian.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah right, I knew you thought that would be good. Now,
Violent Jay and Shaggy two Dope they're like, well we eat
that though we use it in our shows. Man, you
can't take that from us. And the Aussies were like,
well that doesn't seem healthy drinking that. Let's sea Paul
while you're singing, and Violent Jay was like, no, we
don't drink it. We spray the crowd with it man,
and the auss like, oh sorry, Mite, just you know
you're gonna have to wet your crab with something else.
You can sit fostest now, Elizabeth. The next year, at

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the fifth gathering of the Juggalos, their old buddy, old
dirty bastard came out to perform. Not only that bone
Thugs and Harmony reunited for a surprise show at the
opening night. Jugglers.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
They all got them at the room.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, they got him their feels right. And now, speaking
of feels, that same year two thousand and five are
now in eminem and then the Insane Clown Posse were
able to put up behind their beef. They buried it, Yeah,
really did. Finally Detroit with no peace between their famous
white rappers. At the sixth gathering of the Juggle it
was Elizabeth, we got some real heavy hitters of hip
hop to come out of group that seemed perfect for

(47:04):
the Juggalos. It was two Live Crew once again produce
out to you. It's your third favorite rap group.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
I believe that Miami Big Bass sounds exactly now.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
The next year, the seventh Gathering of the Jugs. I
know what you're thinking, Elizabeth, is he going to walk
me down the memory of all the gatherings of the Juggalos.
I would never do that to you. I'm not that
recount Morgan will cover most of them, so buckle up. Anyway,
the seventh gathering of the Juggles was scheduled to be
held in Brooklyn, and so this is this is never

(47:33):
some six six. Okay, Brooklyn, Brooklyn, Michigan. I probably should
have completed that. But when Brooklyn, Michigan heard that their
fair town would be home to this, like the seventh
gathering of the Juggles, the town was like, the hell
you are right. So they're like, well they'd heard about
the Juggles at this point everybody had They're all over
doctor Phil and so forth. Right, So the town's council like,
what can we do? What can we do with permits?

(47:56):
We've got them, So they denied them permits.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, they couldn't pay enough to are the costs for
the town. There's absolutely well, they.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Had got money because you know, money spends, so they
were able to find a new location. A small town
in Ohio is like, we will take that infusion of
casting our small town. Yeah, and we don't care about
all these Juggles. Most of them are look like our
children anyway. So that year Oakland Royalty too short and
digital underground they perform for the Juggalos. Right, So at
this point the festival is now huge. There were one
hundred bands that performed that year.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Hundred, yes, how many days does this thing go to?

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Four or five days? At this point Yeah. The next
year was just as huge. Another hundred bands performed, including
the Ying Yang Twins.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
That year was two thousand and eight, and again ICP
got into legal trouble again due to their love of Fago,
because one of the fans chose to sue Violent Jay
for beating him in the head with an unopened bottle
of Fago at a show in Fargo, North Dakota. Okay, yeah,
that's got to suck to tell people that your favorite
band nearly left you crippled for life and the band
is insane clown posse. Anyway, I'm going to skip the

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ninth gathering of the Juggalos Elizabeth, but just Iced Tea performed.
Oh and at that point he had SVU money, so
he wasn't doing it for the money. He was doing
it for the Juggalo It's for them anyway. Tenth gathering,
the ICP pulled out the stops, hired even better rappers. Yeah,
one name for a state of water ice Cube. That year,

(49:21):
twenty thousand people showed up to the gathering. You know.
It was also that year Gwar Oh also poly Shore
he did stand up wait wild right, also very fitting somehow.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Nine yeah, oh that's timely exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
No, he was still riding away at that point. Was
he'd come back, Yeah, he'd come back, Swear to god.
It was like his third wave. Now, the Eleventh Gathering,
that was the one, Elizabeth. That's when things turned ugly, ugly,
ugly or whatever. Method Man and Redman they performed that year,
so did Naughty by Nature, Tell Lok Rob Bass and
DJ Eazy Rock, Warren.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Right, Warrant Orange. Yeah, it was like, wait, warrant was?

Speaker 2 (50:02):
It was a clear dark night, a clear white moon.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I love that, But I really thought you were talking
about Warrant.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
No you no, Warren G.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Dang.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah. So I don't know if it was before or
after Warren G performed, but I do know that it
involved Tila Tequila. I bet you remember that name. I
thought you would. But you know what, rather than me
tell you about her, Elizabeth, I'd like you to close
your eyes close to picture it. It's a warm summer night.

(50:31):
Music floats through the air. Fireflies light up and disappear
as they flit all around you. You can hear in
the distance the insistent pounding of bass drums, but mostly
you can hear yourself breathing as you squat behind a
tree and pee. You Elizabeth, are at the eleventh annual
gathering of the Juggalos, and the line for the porta
potties is impossibly long, so you nipped into the woods

(50:53):
to relieve yourself. Once done, you wash your hands at
a little quarter of sinc Then you stroll back into
the crowd and attempt to find the person who brought
you here. You're frown Sarah T, but she is nowhere
to be found, so you find yourself drawn to the
sounds of music. At the edge of the crowd. You
find a place where Sarah T might see you, but
you can also see the stage and up there is
wait is that? Yep? It's Tia Tequila. Apparently someone thought

(51:16):
it would be a good idea for the MySpace era
provocateur to taunt the Juggalos with her music, and I
use that term loosely. There is an air of violence
developing in the crowd, and then you start to see
it erupt. A plastic bottle is the first sign of
there it goes, plastic bottle of water sailing through the air.
It lands on stage not far from Tia Tequila. The

(51:37):
crowd of Juggles. They love that. You hear some cheers,
some hoots, and of course if you woo now Elizabeth
Tia Tequila retreats behind a wall of security guards and
continues to and I use this word again, loosely sing.
And then you see another bottle go flying towards her,
and another one and another. Now the crowd is really
getting into it. They've officially turned on Tia Tequila. But

(51:59):
she continues on and I use this term loosely performing.
She's wearing a bikini top and a pair of Daisy
Duke shorts, and she's sort of half dancing while also
wrapping about DJs she's slept with, and how if given
a chance, she would kick your it's a whole thing.
Next you see a handful of what looks to be
earth and mud fly through the air. At least that's
what you hope it is. The other option is too

(52:20):
gross to consider. The questionable brown clump hits Tia Tequila
square in the face. The crowd of juggles loves that.
They try to top one another. You see more bottles
fly towards the stage, only now they're chaffled with yellow liquid.
The bottles hit the security guards and Tia Tequila splashing
them with the yellow liquid. More fec flies, more bottles

(52:40):
of urine. It's a literal crab fest, and you cannot
look away. Tia Tequila tries to win back the crowd.
To do that, she flashes the juggles, but not even
the sight of bare flesh can win them back. Seeing
this slow motion train wreck go down, someone sends the
comedian Tom Greene back out on stage. Oh god, he
doesn't know what to do, so he sort of spast
jerks and dances around and tries to distract the crowd

(53:02):
from Tia Tequila, who, by the way, will not leave
the stage for some reason. You snicker to yourself at
this train wreck, mostly because you've never liked Tom green
not after he played Drew Barrymore's Hearts, So you laugh
when Tom Green catches a clump of soil or is
that human theces right in the kisser. Then you turn
and walk off to see if you can find seracs,
because you know this show isn't going to get any

(53:23):
better than Tom Green's smug, punchable face catching a steaming pile.
Oh my god, Elizabeth, you thought that weird little story
of semi famous names and faces I got one that's
even better for him. Oh no, no, it's not gross though,
well he kind of is. Well whatever. You and I
both love Jack White. Yes, we've both seen him perform

(53:45):
a few times.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Did you know that just before the twelfth gathering of
the Juggalos, Jack White approached Insane Clown Posse about doing
a song with him because he's down with that Juggalo life.
So I swear to God this is true, Lizbe don't
look at me like that. He did. He went to
them and said, I want you to be on my
next track. They didn't approach him this time. He came
to them.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
I think it was because they're all from Detroit. I
don't know, but Violent j thought it might be for
other reasons. What are those other reasons? Great questions. I
like how you've come around on this story.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
So the story goes in the week just before the
twelfth annual gathering of the Juggalos, Jack White reaches out
to Insane Clown Posse invites Violent Jay and Shaggy two
Dope to come out to his crib right to chill
with him, talk music culture and then maybe lay down
a track together. The dudes from ICP. They're flattered. I mean,
it's Jack White. So they roll out to his mansion.
Jack White is there. He invites them in niggig Chilly

(54:37):
the guest the vibes right because he asks them to
listen to a track he's working on. He'd like them
to cover it.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Jack White goes over to his like high fidelity sound
system and he hits play. The song is this track
he's been working on. It's an old song, old old song,
like a classic music song. It's by Wolfgang Amadeis Mozet,
and he wants insane clown posse.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
It's just like the biggest prank.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
The song is called lech mikim arse iw me. To
translate in English, that means lick me in the which
was equivalent in the time of the song as our
term kiss my right. So you see, Elizabeth. The song
was a funny little tune Mozart composed as a composition
in B flat major if you're curious, and it was
meant to be sung by six people, sung in the

(55:21):
round like a Christmas carol or something.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah, we did not do that. In chorus, No, I.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Don't you don't think he probably covered this one musical historians.
They think of this song as like a party song
that Mozart would perform with his like theater friends.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
So Jack White he asked Insane clown Posse if they
want to jam on this track, and Violent Ja is
like offended. He's like, that's what you think, insane clown
past he is about like dookie jokes for fuddy duddies.
Uh yeah, and Jack White he calms him back down.
He's like, no, man, we're all outsiders in this industry.
They laugh at us like they did Mozart. We're gonna say,
kiss my make it musical and Violent Jay and Shaggy

(55:54):
two Dope they're like, still have their doubts, though, Jack
White's gonna win them over. So he explains to them
that Mozart was known for his devilish sense of humor.
He was really into like scatological jokes. And they're like okay.
He's like yeah, he's just like you guys. He's like word, yeah,
he's like us. Mozart's like us, yeah, yeah, totally. Jack
White sells them on the idea Mozart is just like
insane clown Posse, And so they come back the next

(56:16):
day to a studio, they nail their song in one take.
Such the story goes, that track became the Jack White
single Mountain Girl if you want to go listen to it.
After that, they held the twelve annual Gathering of the
Juggles and it was a mind bender. Each night the
main stage was hosted by a celebrity. One night it
was none other than Charlie Sheen at the height of
his Tiger Blood era. Yeah, yeah, you remember, so think

(56:39):
of that and then just expand out. So that's the
culture at the time. Another night, the main stage was
hosted by Flavor Flave at his like the Flavor of
Love era. So the musical acts that year Little John Exhibit,
Buster Rhymes, Ice Cube, Juvenile Mystical, and Parliament Funkadelic, A
bad lineup. Whole thing streamed live on pay per view,
just like Woodstock ninety nine. Things have come full.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Sir, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Now. That same year, perhaps bolstered by all their success,
insane clown Boss, they decide, well, why don't we go
for another win, So they take on their greatest rival yet,
American law enforcement. The clown Face Rappers took the FBI
to court wait for deeming the Juggalos to be quote
a loosely organized hybrid gang.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Oh that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
The twenty eleven FBI reports stated that the Jugglos were
quote recognized as a gang in only four states law
enforcement officials, and at least twenty one states have identified
criminal Juggalo sub sets. Now, personally, I think their lawsuit
was more about getting publicity than expected judgment in their favor.
R it's me they have the legal fund.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Anyway, after a year, in August twenty thirteen, the FBI
lawyers quote filed a motion to dismiss the case, saying
that they had already released several news media reports about
Jugglos involved in criminal activity, which proved their report was
not prejudicial. Then the ACLU got involved, that's right, Elizabeth.
The American Civil liberties unions like, we're down with the insane.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Clown possess we get donations, let's set them on fire,
let's just throw theything else happened.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
There then throwing the sewer.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Clown poles like, come.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
On, yes, in twenty eleven, twelve thirteen.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
If you gave money today those years.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
More of terror protesters might need some money from the anyway.
Twenty fourteen, got it, Violent Ja, Shaggy two Dope and
the ACLU. They go in, they refile their lawsuit against
the FBI. They step into court arm in arm like
now they refiled the lawsuit immediately, not immediately, but rather
quickly thrown out a court. Yeah, ACLU though, they got
that dog in them right, So they appeal and insane

(58:37):
clown Posse wins on appeal. No, the Juggalos beat the FBI.
In twenty fifteen, a federal appeals court took the side
of Violent Jay and Shaggy two Dope and all their
Juggalo fans, and the court ordered the FBI to remove
the Juggalos from their federal list of known gangs, which
is a touch ironic since the band started out as
a gang. But you know, whatever, good for them. I

(58:58):
love to see a bunch of face painted horror core
white rappers from Detroit beat the FBI.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
So what's our ridiculous takeaway here.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Elizabeth oh Man, Uh, you know, face paint and fago.
I don't know. My takeaway is that I always say,
as long as they aren't hurting anybody, and it sounds
like they hurt people, but whatever.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
But people like who are on their level. I think
for the most part.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
It's a little hurt within their group.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Fine, yeah, I care now. To be honest, I used
to judge the Jugglers. I was aware of them before
I did this research. I used to look down on
the gatherings as like the world's worst rave or something.
And I'm sure real bad things do go down at
the gatherings, right, But largely I had my mind changed
about the Jugglers doing research for this one, which is
always a good thing to give up a silly old bias. Yeah,

(59:43):
I preferred always root for underdogs. I know you do too,
even once you're wearing face paint and sound like idiots.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
That's true. So what's true?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
What's fresh in the mood for you? Are you in
the mood for talkback? Could you favor us with one?
Let's see what I got here?

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Oh my god, I love you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Hey, hey, guys, I just got down listening to the
Pokemon card theft episode, and I just want to confess
that I used to be a getaway driver for some
friends still Magic the gathering cards from Walmart, and even
though they I got a cut from it, I never
got anything good anyways. Still wenting on that cease and

(01:00:32):
desist from Elizabeth for being part of the furry community
and Zaron keep it up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Love you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Oh my god, I love it. He's like, not only
am I a furrey, but I was part of a
crime syndicate for magic the gathering. Yes, Like, do you
do this just for me? Apparently? Apparently? Well? Good on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Yeah.

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