December 20, 2024 • 53 mins
From beloved housewife to being asked not to return for another season, YouTuber Carlos King and Roxy Earle from The Real Housewives of Toronto sit down with Alexis Bellino to discuss what went wrong during her return to The Real Housewives of Orange County and where she stands with her former co-stars today.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey, guys, like the Filino here, I am here on
a very fun day just to clear the air and
get some new gossip out there, somethings that none of
you have heard before. And I'm here with my friend
Carlos King, who you know. I think he's going to
have some good insight for me.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Carlos alexis so good to see your dafface.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Hi, Hi, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm good?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
How's it going. I'm so excited for you. Congratulations or
join the pod world.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Thank you, thank you. This is the This is definitely
dipping my feet in very fast, but with one of
the best. So thank you for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Okay, first of all, the Kathy Hilton party, let's just
get that out of the way, because that was Is
that not the most amazing experience?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Hi? It was so much fun and it was nice
just to be a mox your peers, do you know
what I mean, like people within your industry who kind
of just has so much respect for the art of
this John and Rubbie Carr reality television, because it's a
tough gig to have, so to be a mox the
reality elite, to be celebrated, to have Kathy Hilton be
(01:23):
the grand hostess that she is, and to see you
and John, I had a really really good time.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
You well, you were the best dressed. I'm not saying
that just because I'm trying to like by far, like
even over John, I'm sorry, but yeah, and I'm like, Okay,
I wonder was that was that coat last season or
this season or what it? What was it? It was
Louis Baton, right.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It was a little biton coat that was.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I couldn't take my off of it, and it was listen.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I I went to London for a day in September,
and when I walked in, you know how like sometimes Alexis,
you walked to a store and you know how, like
the associate are like, is there anything you're looking for,
and You're.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Like, I'm actually browsing, you know, And that actually was browsing. Girl.
I saw that calla and You're.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Like the heavens opened.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Oh girl, and I said, I have to have it.
I tried it on and I'm like, let me just
buy it. So I bought it in September, and I
kept saying to myself, you gotta find the perfect occasion
to wear it. Honey, Kathy Healthon's party. Honey's the perfect occasion.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I start shopping for her a gown for her dress
or a dress for her event like in August or September,
Like I'm I'm always because it is the party of
the year. Yes. And then the other thing, was you
like your energy when you come around is just so infectious?
Do you see people flocking to you? Like, did you
notice that at all?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You know I did, And I'll say this, it's such
a compliment to hear that, So think you like, sis,
I am a people person. I I really do love people,
and I am of the people. So whether you're a
celebrity or not, I give the same energy to anybody
that either meet for the first time or I'm a
fan of and listen, I tell people all the time.
(03:14):
I'm a fan and a student of reality TV. So
it's nice to meet someone like you. It was nice
to meet I mean, I did meet Emily and Gina.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
That's okay. Hey, you know we're all we're all work associates,
we're all in the same business.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And why I wait, in a minute, you guys are
best friends. Shut the front door.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
We are not best friends. Never said that. Don't don't
put words in my mouth, Carlos to.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You the concept, Oh.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh yeah, oh got you?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Okay, no, but when when to piggyback on what you
were just saying. I feel like being in that environment,
like John and I have been so judged this season
and so, you know, just the vital hate that we've had.
It was so nice to have so many people come
up and be like, we understand, girl, we get it.
We noticed as TV we know that this was So
(04:04):
I did leave that party feeling like America can hate us,
but at least the people that were there that work
in this industry get it and are like, Okay, you
had to take one for the team. It was a
bad season whatever, so that.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Let me stop you there, Let me stop you there.
America doesn't hate you.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
And this is what I want to tell you as
somebody who has been doing housewives since two thousand and eight,
starting Atlanta Housewives, and this is the way before social
media was a thing. Social media represents two percent of America,
right of the world, not just Americans, the world at large.
Just because there's people on social media who are in
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competition to leave the best comment, and by the best,
I mean the.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Worst comment, the most hateful.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You mean, yeah, because they have to one up each other.
And I never want you, Alexis, or any of the
girls or guys on reality television to assume for a
millisecond that these comments represent the world at large. I
tell people all the time, when you go out into
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the real world and you interact with people, nine times
out of ten, you're not going to run to people
who have that same you know, hate that they do
online because it is not real.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So we haven't had.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
One, are you.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
We haven't had one person out out in the world.
Wherever we're traveling or wherever we are, we have you know,
everyone always comes up and says, I love you, You're
my favorite this season everyone. I think that that just
comes out of people's mouth because they don't know what
to say to you when they see you. They mean it,
but they don't know. They don't know. They don't. I
know they don't, and I'm okay, look, I am not
here to get my ego coaches. Okay, I know I
(05:46):
am good, but but it is it is just a weird.
It just felt really good to be at that party,
It really did, and to have people say we get it.
We understand because they all are in the industry. They
are and Kathy does. Last year she brought in snow
like this woman, not like okay, Ice was all over
it was. It was the real deal. So anyway, that
was amazing. But I do want to ask you, and
(06:07):
I want you to be completely honest, Carlos, and if
you hurt my feelings, it's okay. At the end of
the day, I know that you, I know who you are,
and I appreciate your truth behind this, Okay. So I
want to ask you, what do you think I could
have done this season that would have possibly allowed the
viewers to like actually connect from my story? What did
(06:29):
I do that made them disconnect so much from me?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
You came across too hard in your defense of John.
I would if I were you the first episode when
you came in looking gorge and you told Shannon there's
a door channel of door and you defended John. That
would have been the end of it. And what I
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would have done is said Shannon as a woman. I
need you to know that you and I don't have
an issue because I didn't that thing to you. I
Alexis Belino, did not do anything directly to you Shannon
the door.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I didn't date you, I in sleep with you. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I don't know you.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, we don't know each other like that, Like I
don't know you.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So I understand that the guy I'm in love with
and I'm seeing that you two have an issue.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
So guess what, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Let you two fight that battle because the battle is
not mine, it's yours, right, And I would have left
it there, and then I would have I would have
definitely used more of my camera time to get to
know the girls, because I will say this, I if
I was her producer or friend, I would have said,
(07:40):
how amazing would it be that you and Shannon kind
of become friends?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Like like what what? What?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
What a great surprise would that have been if you
use that opportunity to get to know her? Because I'm
gonna tell you something I did Atlanta House White season four, right,
Marlon Hampton came on the show nine Leaks obviously was
like the face of that particular franchise. Long story short,
it was alleged and Marlow Hampton had a boyfriend that,
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allegedly Nini Leeks was like seeing at the time while
she and Greb were going through divorce, so everybody thought like,
oh my gosh, marlow and Nini about to be the odds.
And the best thing Ninni leaks did she befriended Marlowe,
and the shocked the cast and it's the reason why
Marla Hampton became a housewife.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So I would have definitely did the.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I would have done the most shocking thing, which was like, hey,
maybe me and Shannon could be friends after all.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And I appreciate that, and in the perfect world that
might have been able to happen. Let me give you
a little background and then tell me how, because this
is great, This is great advice, and obviously hindsight's twenty twenty.
When you look back, you're like, Okay, I could have,
should have would up. However, I was in a knowing situation.
I feel even hearing you say what you just said,
because I do not have You know, I don't wish
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ill on anybody, even my worst endemy, anyone, I don't
wish any ill on them. I was going in optimistic
that we could be amicable and do our job, which
is work together in a group of women. She was
never going to have any part of that. By the way,
I think she went in the season saying I will
never talk to her. I don't care, I don't want
to film with her. She fell with this is the
least amount she possibly could. I asked for constant sit
(09:19):
downs with her, never what happen, just to smooth it over,
because I could see I could see the wear and
tear on the women's faces for trying to be friends
with me and friends with her, and knowing that they
didn't really dislike either of us. They just didn't know
they were put in a really bad position too. So
in my mind, I'm like, let's try to just be amicable,
do our job and get through the day, and at
the end of it, it is John in your battle. However,
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the first meeting I had with her where she asked
to speak to me, I said, okay, that was when
I've said, there's the door, Shandon, buta door. Three things
came up that she had, like they cut it down
to the one. There were three other things, And so
I sat there for twenty five minutes just listening, listening, listening,
and I'm like, okay, oh my gosh, let's get to
the elephant out of the room. Let's just squash it now.
Well and so yeah, that was hard. It was hard.
(10:03):
I was also nervous. I was also getting eaten up
by her at the moment, and I was also just
tired of it. I'm like, this isn't the real problem.
So in hindsight, you are absolutely right. I should have
probably just said, Okay, I know you're hurting. I am not.
This is not easy on me either, you know, like
it was not easy for me to do any of
the filming that I did this season, Carlos the other
parts of that. So that's one part. The other part
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to that is I would go into the scenes, and you,
being a producer, can appreciate this. I would go in
thinking not going to mention his name. I have so
much more to talk about. I would connect with the
other women. I would find out about their children, I
would find out about what was going on. We would
talk about real life things happening, and then lo and behold,
one of the women would have to bring up his name.
And there were so many misconceptions about him the entire season,
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and so many lives that were said, what would you
do if that was your the person you love? And
what I've learned one of my downfalls is when I love,
I love hard, and I am loyal to a fault,
and this defending John came to my own detriment. I
get that I lost in the public, the world of
public opinion. I get that the court of public opinion.
But I also wanted to live authentically and also wanted
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to really film an authentic show. And so if people
are constantly talking about him other castmates when I'm supposed
to not be talking about him and I'm really trying
not to, then how do you handle that moving forward?
Just for any other reality person or anything like, how
do you move past that?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
They can only use what you give? Right?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
So I always remember that they can only use what
you give. If Emily or Gina or have our camera
brought up John, I would say to them once again,
he is not here to defend himself now. And the
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more you repeat that, the more they're going to say, well,
this ship is unusable and we have to move on.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And that's how you take your back, right, That's.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
What I did wrong. That's what I did wrong because
I would do that once and then it would keep going,
and then I would give in and then yeah, okay,
now I'm mad, and now y'all are really taking me off,
and so then it would happen. And that's you're absolutely right,
that's where I.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So that's the reason why.
I mean, look, la la l l la la la la. Look,
it's the reason why you have someone I'm gonna be
very honest with you.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Shannon played the game very well this season, very well
this season because obviously, I think everybody went in thinking like,
oh my gosh, I had a dui and let's focus
on that and let's see what's going on. And we're
seeing the same situation happen on PATMA with Karen Huger,
another person who got a dui. What's been interesting about
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Shannon and Karen situation is rightfully, so the cast members
have questions, but I think when you go so hard
I'm not saying you did this about the dui, by
the way, I'm saying when when this is more of
a tamor thing that I told her about. Right, When
you're so harsh to somebody dealing with that, at some point,
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it's like, guys, get them a break. And I think
Shannon did a good job this season making sure that
she showed and I'm not saying it was real or not.
I don't know Shannon, but Shannon did a great job
in this season showing her rulnerability and emotion and and
to the point where I even told Tamra, and I
said this on my own podcast, I felt bad for Shannon.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I felt Tamar was so hard.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
On on on Shannon that I gave Tamara grace by
saying this, alexis, Tamra has seen things that we haven't.
They were actually best friends, They went on tour together,
they hung out together. Unfortunately, us, the audience, we can
only judge what we see, and when it came to
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Shannon and Tamara, that's why a lot of us was
on Shannon's side when it came to you and Shannon, Shannon.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I'm gonna give her her credit.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
She did a great job at making sure to show okay,
the run ability of this alleged loan and things like that.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
We listen, you could be a Shannon fan or not.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
We all believe John in terms of the the details
of it. I believe John's details for sure. Right the
part that came in, it felt like it was two
against one, and and that's why the audience decided to
sway more in Shannon's.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Side, got it? Yeah, wow, Yeah, And I mean when
I sit back and trust me, I've played this through
in my mind hundreds of times, and I still come
back to the fact that like, I just don't know.
I mean, I just can't. I can't put a put
in my I mean like I can't, I can't put
a muzzle on myself if I get to the point
where I'm just like okay, enough to enough, And that's
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something I truly need to work on, Like I need
to learn to just go. And I wish now I
would have done that. I never even thought about just
sitting back and going that's between you and John. I'm
just sitting here going his name. He's getting brought up.
He's not here just to say anything. I'm his only voice.
I'm the only thing he had. Where if I had
stapped back, maybe it would have it would have all
just panned out completely differently. But like I said, that's
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neither here nor there. We can't go back. So the
other thing I wanted to ask you is what do
you think, like, what's your true feeling about the final
scene that came in after?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
So I thought I was very confusing, and I did
not understand it, so I listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, Linda,
this season of the Rehousewives for County, season eighteen was
the best season in Orange County history.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I loved it.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I never thought the Brooks alleged cancer situation would be
top because that was such dramatic, great television. I never
thought the season where Gretchen had her first season. I
want to say, with season three or four, whatever, that
was a great first season.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And for Gretchen and for Tamor to emerge.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
As like a badass, this season topped both to me
because it was a great display of balance.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You know. I thought every girl clocked in.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I thought Emily and Gina had their best seasons ever.
And I thought Heather de brou had a great season.
I thought everybody clocked in right when it came to
the reunion, and I'm gonna get to the ending scene.
When it came to the reunion, I said this on
my podcast. I thought Emily was was fighting for her life.
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I felt like she was auditioning for Tomato and taler
Banks said, I have two cars left in my hands,
and one.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Of your girls would be America Next Time Model.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
And Emily said, well, bitch, I would be an america next
top lawyer. And I felt that she was so hard
on you and was just so like unlikable to me,
and I like, I like Emily, but I detested her
performance on on the Reunion. So then I was like, okay, fine,
great reunion all three parts. I'm here for it. Then
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it was the final scene and I'm like, well, what
the F is this? Like what are we watching here?
And then as I was watching it and I'm like,
why is this important?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
And then I'm watching it something yeah, I was like,
it's done.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't need this.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And then it hit me and I said to myself, okay, okay,
I think the choice was definitely two things were happening
in that scene.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
To me.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Number one, I felt like I felt that it was
an opportunity to show that we're off friends, we all
love each other, Shannon and Tammer have made up, Heather
looks great, and.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
We're all best friends.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
So come join us next season where you get to
see that this show.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Is a is a show about friends. Right.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
It was like very Jennifer Anison, Courtney Cox, and Lisa Kudro,
do you know what I mean? It was it was
very much like we're musty TV Thursday, nice at eight o'clock.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Right, Yes, that was the first thing to me.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
The second thing that I noticed, too, I was like, huh,
this was to me a loud message that a lessis
and John thank you for your.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Services, like bye, like bye, get out of here.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
We're done, We're closing the chapter on this storyline.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So those were the two things I walked away from
that scene.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, and I was obviously completely gobsmacked and completely let down.
I felt the same thing. I was like, Okay, you're used,
abused and thrown away. This is now we're done with you.
We got the ratings, now we're done. Those were my
initial two thoughts. And then my third thought was, holy shit,
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Tamar and Heather just did this to me. And I
spoke to them right before and you know, after the
reunion we talked and we you know, so it took
me like a week before I could even talk to
either of them. They both texted obviously they felt bad
about that scene or just wanted to check in and whatever.
Took me about a week. I just said, I can't
talk right now. I'm too upset. I can't I got
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I've got to let this all just marinate and I'll
talk to you because we do have a true friendship.
And that's the thing is I didn't want it to
you know, and I had just the funny thing is, Carlos,
this is firsthand information. Tamara had just come to my
house the Tuesday before that Thursday. So it airs on
that Thursday, right, She had just been at my house
for two hours. We were literally I was I had
my hair getting all done, I had boils everywhere. We
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were eating crackers and just hanging out for two hours.
And I looked her in the eye at that moment.
It was almost like God told me something was happening,
because I asked her to come over and I said,
I need to see you eye to eye and we
can go to lunch or whatever, but I want to
see you face to face. Had her come over, she
spent two hours here, great time. You know. I just
looked at her at one point and I said, I
need to know something. Are we real friends or are
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we TV friends? Like what is what is the what
do you classify our relationship as? And she looked at
me and was like, are you fucking serious right now?
Like are you really asking me this right now, and
I'm like, yeah, and we've talked it over. I felt
so confident in our friendship. And then that scene aired,
so two forty eight hours before she could have sat
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me in the eyes and said, Alexis there is something
that's going to come out that you're not going to
you know, and she was worn to secrecy by the
you know, the crew and everything. I get all that
we're here to do a show. I get it. However,
you can drop a little crumb and say you're not
going to like the final scene, just giving you a
little you know, wait, like something nothing. Okay, so you
know her and I've had Tamara and Heather and I
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are working through it. By the way, we're not I'm
not the person that's just going to write that off
and be like, Okay, you're never speaking to you again.
Like I do have a deep connection with Heather for
obviously some of the things we go through with the
LGBTQ world and just like our life journey that we've had,
plus what we went through a decade ago, and we
worked past that.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Right, But did you call Tamar after seeing that scene?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah? I don't remember who reached out first, but yeah,
either either she texted me or called me or I
called her. I don't know which would happen first. And
the same thing with Heather. All I know is that
I've had a couple hour conversations with Tamra trying to
work through it and just hammer it out. And then
I had one one hour conversation with Heather and we
had to get off the phone. She had to run
into another podcast, and so she's like, you know, we
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need to shelve this obviously if it's not done yet,
because I I gave it to her because she's actually
the one that delivered the information to Shannon, and here's
the here's the kick me the most I know, and
I'm going to be real with you. So you had
to take all this information back to your rain drops, Okay.
So I literally was so like, hold on, because when
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John gave that information about actually hearing the crash, Heather
and Tamra both looked at us. So they were like.
Heather's defense was, oh, we were sitting around, you know,
it was a group of people. I said, no, Heather,
it was me and you and Tamra my two of
my closest friends. With Joe Dala Rosa who's a friend
of mine for a decade, and your two husbands. That's it.
That's not a big group. That's a very small group.
We were going to confined. John felt the you know,
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like he's always questioned about it. Did you hear the wreck?
Did you not? He's always just said he's always been
honest about it. They both looked at him and said,
don't ever owe up to that. Don't ever tell any
of that. And John's like, I'm gonna tell the truth.
I'm gonna tell my side of the story. There's no
reason to not tell the truth. The truth can't hurt you.
The truth is, my daughter almost got hit. I did
hear the crash. We went running, my daughter stopped me,
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pulled me back. They got in their car, they went
she was already gone. So there's nothing wrong with that truth.
They did check this scene out after they heard it.
Was it too late?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Did chan and drive off? Yeah? So that's the truth
of it. And so, you know, it just hurts because
nobody should have given that information to anyone else except John.
That should have been you know, they got mad at
me all season for being John's voice. Well, what the
fuck did you just do? You were just John's voice,
like just you don't need to speak for him. And
that's where I have to work through with Heather and Tarran.
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That is where it is so like just hurtful because
it's like, you don't practice what you preach. You've been
preaching to me all season to do one thing, and
then you went and did exactly what you're telling me
not to do. And you put the nail on the
coffin by saying, Okay, lex Is God, we don't want
her back. You know, we're done. We're done with that storyline,
which I get it. By the way, here's first hand information,
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Carlos King, I am not asked back next season. No,
I am not asked back. I did not.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
How'd you find out a phone call.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
With with with which I I and I have a
very good relationship with him Alex Basket obviously, but he's
my boss. But yeah, so, and it was a hard conversation.
It came, it didn't. I can't say it came as
a shock. I was gonna say it came as a shock.
It did not come as a shock. The timing because
it was like noon in the afternoon, I guess I
wasn't really prepared, and I didn't think contracts were coming
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out any time. Like I thought we still had more time,
so I thought he was calling to check in. Okay,
the last scene stuffed. You know, I didn't know what
he was calling for, but it was a shocking when
the call came. I was never shocked about that information
because it's what are they going to do? I didn't know,
especially after that scene, where how do I fit in?
You know? And I am very good friends with Katie
(24:09):
and Jen. Still I'm working through it with Heather and Tamra.
I still thought there might be a way they can
make it work for everybody to come back. But you know,
the cards played the way they did, and how do
they bring someone back who is not a fan favorite
versus the fan favorite? And I get that. And when
one door closes, another door opened, it's totally it was
(24:29):
a it was a little bit of a real I mean,
nobody wants the rejection and no one wants to say, Okay,
you're not as bad. It's already happened to me. It
happened to me on season eight. Okay, I've been there,
done that, So it's like, okay, here we go again.
But you know, there was an instant of oh my gosh,
if pay relief because now the decision's not on my shoulders.
It was just taken away. Now we pick up the
(24:51):
pieces that we move forward, right because if the decision
had come and the contract came. Part of what John
and I spent many nights talking about is do I
have what it takes to go through another season like
what I just went through, like watching every episode where,
But if I was a full member, for a full
cast member, I would have had more opportunity to tell
my story, to show my side of me that's not
(25:11):
just John, because he's not my entire life. Like, yeah,
I'm marrying him, but he's not my entire life. There's
so many more facets and so many fun things happening
in our life. But at the end of the days,
it makes it easy when the decision is not yours anymore.
You know, it's like, Okay, now I got to move on.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Did you cry? No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I think I think I cried so much throughout the
season just from the way that I was portrayed that
it was I don't think I had any more tears
to cry, And it was, like I said, I was
kind of so beaten down already that it's and just
from the hate that's come online. It's almost like I
just I don't have any more tears to cry. It's
(25:55):
like I'm it's made me stronger. That's the one thing
this season made me a lot stronger. So I want
to talk to.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You about that really quickly, because obviously.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
You did have a lot of you know, vitrol when
it came to the audience reaction by audience. I'm talking
about social media audience to the point where you turn
off your comments on your page. Can you explain to me, like, listen,
we all wanted and I mean disrespectfully because that's the
thing name they gave. We wanted Jesus Jugs back, right,
(26:29):
Everybody was sort of like campaigning, right, Alexis for you
to come back. And that felt good. It feels good
to be wanted, to be desired, especially by the audience,
and you obviously were requested by the audience to come back,
and then it was a noster coming back and again
it was like Yay, she's back, and that must have
(26:51):
felt good. When did you realize there was a turn
in the reception of you from want being requested to
come back, the fans being excited at you're coming back,
and then it got so bad to where you turn
off the comments.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Well, let me let me just say I turned off
the comments for the sake of my children. They're very protective.
They I don't care what people say about me. I
have a seventeen, seventeen, and eighteen year old and they're
very protective. And they they were like, Mom, we're gonna
start yelling at these people, like I'm going to go
to bat. I'm not. I can't take it anymore. And
I thought, I'm okay with it because I know that
(27:30):
I don't care. I don't really care what anyone said
about me. I have a great life. I mean, I'm
marrying the man of my dreams. I have three grade kids.
We have businesses we've started, like we're busy and it's
fun and life is fun. But when your kids come
to you and can't take it, and I you know,
I've had many talks with them and sat them down
and said, you guys, understand TV's TV. Even though it's reality,
(27:50):
it's still TV and it's not a real world. It's
not what you know because you watched the episodes. You
know that's not really your mom, But they cut too
much out to make it not really be me. Where
if they would have put a little bit more and
made it more balanced, like you said, it's a balance
season for the entire cast members, maybe it was a
balance season. It was not a balanced season for me.
I've made it very vocal on social media. It was
(28:14):
not balanced And if they would have made it more balanced,
America wouldn't have or I wouldn't have had so much
vitriol from it. And I'm okay with that. When you're I.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Want to say this too, I want to say this
because I did say this is my podcast. When I
say a balanced season, I'm obviously talking about the Orange Holders, right,
the women, the Housewives. I said this to my podcast.
You being a friend of it's a deficit because you're
not allowed just by definition of.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Being a friend of, you're not allowed to share your
full story.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You know, you are literally coming in as a friend
and you have limited scenes and limited confessionals and then
limited ability who you know, show showed the full life.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
So yeah, but then on on the flip side of that,
I'm okay with that, but also, don't use my story
in my world to become the main storyline, like just
don't like. That's where it really started to affect me,
is I don't mind being the friend of I am goofy.
I do do airheaded things. I do like to have
fun and laugh a lot. But that is so not
(29:14):
only me, you know. And I would have been okay
with that if I feel like a lot of the
content was used almost against me instead of trying to
show a little bit more balance. And there's a way
to do both. But it brought good ratings, Okay, whatever,
I mean, you move on. It's like it's done, we
film that, it's over. So coming back to what you said,
that's the reason I turned off my comments was for
my children, not because of me, Like I said, it's
(29:36):
my kids need to be able to handle the world
that I've just brought them back into when they were four, three, four, five, six, seven,
different world, right, They don't read comments and all of that.
So I and I am going to turn comments back on,
and I am just kind of letting things. It's just
like just let it, you know. I almost went through
a phase Carlos where I said, I'm never going to
turn it back on. This is nice. I never have
to look at anything. I just post what I want.
(29:58):
This is my world I never have.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It's like it's like, Okay, this is nice, but I
realize it's like no, just just turn back on. I'll
get there. I'm just trying to let things somewhere bound
for my children.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Listen, it's a tough gig. Being on reality TV is
not easy. And what's funny is there everybody watching feels like.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
They can do it better. And it's like, you don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Until you put into this social experiment, you don't know.
And that's why I had to mention everybody campaign for
you to come back, and then when you.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Came back, you are gone.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
And so that's why I always tell people I love
the audience, and we are who we are because of
the audience. But the audience doesn't always get it right.
And you can't live your life not saying you're doing this,
But you can't live your life worrying or or thinking
that the audience knows better because that's not the case.
(30:53):
I feel bad for you, honestly because I wish Shannon
say this as Shannon, if you're listening, I will send
you a bouqueer of roses because my listen, this is
how this shit works. Shannon emerged as a fan favorite
of the season, right, and Shannon did a great job
(31:16):
being the reality star that she is.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
She did a great job.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I would love for reality star to at least have
some self awareness to say, well, shit, thank you Alexi
for coming on the show, because.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I mean, dude, on me could listen.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
If you weren't on the show, it would just be
Shannon versus Tamara, and that would have got very old,
very soon. That's why Tamara was like, all right, you're
doing the first of your turn, like.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And like, I totally know. I recognized very early on
how much I was helping Shannon then helped her because
of the fact that, you know, I wanted my friends
on the cast to see the John that I know
and who he really is, not the John they were
hearing from misconception, and so I question, yes.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Not to cut you off, Yeah, do you feel like
Tamra and had the hatch back the whole season?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
You know. The reunion was another one where Tamra, Yeah,
she was on interviews non stop trying to like, you know,
give the truths out there and do I definitely feel
like Tamar had me. I feel like, if I'm being honest,
and I would tell this to Heather's face obviously, if
I'm going to stay it on a podcast, I'll say
to both their faces. But I feel like Heather so
(32:38):
wants everyone to like her and just wants to play
like Vanilla the whole way and still make a good
TV show, which she does a good job of. But
you know, she sat right by me at the reunion
and could have simply said, mean girl, Emily, shut that up,
you know, like let Alexis talk. Didn't do that, didn't
intersert herself in any way when she's sitting right next
to me, because a lot of the other women, you know,
after the reunion, I called and said, what the head?
(33:00):
How come none of the four of you? Because I
have four really true friends on there, how come none
of the four of you stuck up for me or
said one thing? And everybody knew going in I was
going into the lions Den. Why did nobody say anything? Well,
Katie was like, I was completely just I was, you know,
completely numb because I'd just been yelled at and had it,
had a really bad ripe before you.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
And has so Yeah, she was planning it.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, Yeah, j Jen said she basically couldn't hear me.
Tamer said she couldn't hear me, which I had to
kind of believe him at the time because it's like
Emily was so loud mouthed and so yelling that like
doing the acting you said she was doing, and it's
like it was like, okay, her performance, Yeah, she was
too loud. So I kind of understood that and got it. However,
you know, when you look back and watch the season, Yeah,
(33:48):
Heather and Tamer could have definitely stuck up a little
bit more, and they did know the truth. They knew
all about the videos behind closed doors. John had disclosed
that to them. John had not shown them, but talked
about them and said, this is what I had to
go through that night. He had. He had opened up
to them a lot because we were very close friends,
and so you do that in confidence, thinking it's going
(34:08):
to be John's story to tell, and then they told it.
So all of that was just so Yeah, to answer
your question, no, I think they probably could have done more.
I do think Tamara did a lot on a lot
of the interviews and a lot of behind in the
scenes stuff, just trying to you know her and I
you know I, Yeah, yeah, I think she I think
she did. Heather could have definitely jumped in more.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, but I see that.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I see that, Okay, because I was going to say, you,
you obviously don't feel Heather and Tamara had my back.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Oh no, no, no, no no no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
I wanted to because obviously we're not allowed to see everything.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I wanted to know because I'm not.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Obviously you're friends with them, y'all, Hank God, you have
two hour lunches and conversations over the phone. I wanted
to know from your Manta's point, with you knowing these
girls outside of the cameras, did you do.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You feel like?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
What did you feel like the conversations you guys have
behind the scenes with no cameras around reflected the same
conversation you had when there was a camera. And I'm
asking that because I know how this shit works, and
people get so mad at me about like when I
say things like hey, on some of these shows, it's
(35:21):
like the game of Survivor. It's an alliance. A lot
of these girls, you know, they have an alliance. They
feel like, well, well, I'm not gonna name names, Bob.
Remember a housewife said to me once, I can't go
against her because if I do, the audience would hate me.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I definitely feel that that started part way through the season.
I do feel like they were starting to see how
much hate I was getting online or social media hate,
and they were just like, Okay, we can't. We need to,
we need to back off a little bit because we
don't want to get the hate. Nobody wants that. What
I was getting and what I still am getting, some
of it's like nobody wants that, so I But the
(36:04):
whole time, Carlos, I'm open minded and I get it.
I don't blame them. I wouldn't want hate that I
don't necessarily need. There's so much hate already in this world.
You know, when you're putting yourself in front of the
public eye and you're at the gas station and your
hair's all frizzy because you just woke up and you
had to run to the gas station while you're taking
your kids somewhere, you know, it's like you already get
so much scrutiny and hate. I don't blame them for
(36:25):
any of that, and I don't that doesn't I don't
hold that against them. That part of it. I do
wish more friends would have stuck up for me at
the reunion, and I do think that that final scene
was you know, Heather was way out of line and
did something that no friends should do to anyone. So
and we're I'm working through it. I'm trying to you know,
(36:46):
she at got these parties. She's like, let's go to lunch.
We got to go to lunch. We got to finish
because I'm leaving for her. But we got to talk
this through and want to get back so and I will,
and I you know, my love for them, and I
have to set aside and go this is my friend
I love on the side, and this is the TV job.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
But I gotta I gotta be honest. I gotta be honest.
I was at the same party as you, and.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I had a great time meeting Emily and Gina for
the first time, and they showed me so much love,
and I show them love, and I love those girls.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I will say this, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I saw Heather hang out with Emily and Gina the
entire night, and I didn't see a lot of her
hanging out with you.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Well, John, and I were flitting around though we weren't
sitting still. We were moving and going to different groups.
So I don't know. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
It was because but the thing is this, there's real
life and then there's being you know, real And again,
I'm only talking about what I saw at the party,
so I'm literally basing off of that. Okay, every time
I saw Heather, she was with Gina and Emily. They
(37:57):
moved from one section to another to another. It wasn't
like separate came back. They were with each other the
entire night.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Okay, I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, and I was just sort of like, but if
you're closer to Alexis, then why aren't you do not
you go to all saying.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I got I didn't say it with Alexis, right.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
She was hanging with the cast that's coming back to
the show because you have to build your alliance.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Well yeah, and they did just film that final scene.
They did know. I wasn't asked back. They're keeping it
quiet because I think they were waiting for Bravo or
me to announce the information. But you know, yeah, so
maybe that is true. So so then in all honesty,
maybe it is just a TV friendship Carlos, you know,
but I don't feel that. I don't, I don't deep
(38:45):
down feel that because of the fact that you know,
part of it is Heather and I haven't worked it
all out, so she's not going to come sit and
hang with me when we don't have it all hashed
out and we still need to have one more conversation
get at the bottom of it. Like there is still
just an awkwardness. And she even at one point it
was just like can we talk, Like, let's talk, and
it's like, right now is not the right time or place,
but yes, let's meet up when you get back. So
(39:06):
I think that there's you know, and at one of
those events. I don't feel like at any of those
events in Hollywood or any party you're at is the
right time to hash anything out. You're there to have
fun and you know, take a gorgeous pick and that's it,
you know, and celebrate. So it just wasn't the right
timing and we'll see. I mean, okay, only time will tell, Carlos.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
You know, Yeah, let me know how it goes in
a year.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Because one thing I always tell people now I always
tell people this, and no one believes me, and that's fine.
I'm just somebody who's been producing reality to people for
sixteen years, so you would think I know what I'm
talking about. I always tell people true friendships last. The
test of the reality season and the moment Tamara Judge
got fired and Shannon stopped calling her, I tell Tamra,
(39:52):
why are you shocked that was a TV friendship? The
fact that you got fired and all of a sudden,
this one man you spoke to every single day, seven
days a week doesn't call you like wake up as
mother folders in her cup. So listen. I hope you
and Heather are able to work it out. I'm not
saying that I don't. I really do hope so, but
(40:13):
I'm just I'm calling out.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
You're saying. Keep your eyes wide open, is what you're saying,
Tony obvious.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Keep your eyes wide open, child, because you just never
know who's gonna it, you know, try to get you.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
But no, just listen. It's just.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
I've said this a nauseum in my opinion that the
only two groups of friendships that I believe are are
super duper real, and no camera can separate the two.
The only two sets of besties that will live on
until the test of time is Giselle Brian and Robin
Dixon and Alexis and Mayrisol.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
My opinion real.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
None in Beverly Hills. None of the Beverly Hills girls
you think are real friends.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
The current cast.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
No, what about the past cast, because you never know
if the past cast is going to.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
The only true friendship on Beverley Hills that I believe
are true best friends. We tell each other everything is
Kyle Richards and Teddy Mailcamp.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
That's it. Okay, that's it. That's like like like like
think about it, Teddy.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
I'm gonna tell you how real of her friend Kyle
Richards is. Okay. Teddy is probably the most hated on
social media Former Housewife.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I listen, I think I think top i than you. Alexis. Well,
it's different, it's different. Yours is fresh, your supressure, right.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Teddy's been off Beverley Hills like four or five years,
so it's you know, time has passed. Yours is still fresh, Teddy.
The difference is that you were once beloved, so that's
the difference. Teddy was never beloved from social media, but
she has a hip podcast. So once again my point
is proven. You can't believe social media. Her podcast goes
number one with Tamera right exactly. So, no matter how
(42:12):
much hate Teddy gets, no matter how many times Teddy
is the butt of jokes, Kyle Rich has never allowed
that to define her friendship with Teddy. Kyle loves Teddy.
They're true friends, and that's a true friendship. Kyle would
never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever be like, well, Teddy,
(42:36):
social media hates you, so let me. This is myself
from you, and vice versa. When Kya was going through
the whole Mortgan Way scandal of it all, I had
to replace Teddy on her podcast with Tamra when the
news broke because Teddy said, guys, you can hate me
(42:58):
if you want to. At the end of the day,
Kyle is my friend. And what I'm not going to
do is talk about this because it's too close to home.
I respected it because that's a real friend.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
That's true. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Well, okay, so I can I can do some assessing,
if you know what I mean, Carlos. I do have
one more friend, the teer, and she's waiting to jump
on real quick and give us some maple syrup from
Toronto or tea if you would say. But she's a
very new friend. I have only spent two hours with
her at the Kathy Hilton party. However, she is vivacious,
(43:32):
she is fun, she is charismatic, and she's a real
housewife of Toronto. So Roxy Earls say.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
Hi, Hi, I loved meeting you both at Kathy Hilton's party.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah. Favorite. So that was your first Kathy Hilton party,
right as And.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
I literally just moved from Toronto like four months ago
to be so to be insighted to like Kathy Hilton's
Christmas party.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
I was like, what is happening? This is so fabulous?
Speaker 1 (43:59):
So what was your favorite part about it?
Speaker 4 (44:02):
I mean, I just loved meeting all of these like
amazing people, Like meeting you guys was so special. Just
meeting all of these people that I love or that
we are connected with on social that we haven't met
in person, like a lot of us follow each other
and then I met and I was like.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
Oh, you're not as nice in person or oh you're
in person?
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Oh please, who remind you who was not as nice?
Are you going to plead the bit? Are you going
to open.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Okay, first of all, alexis all of this talk about
you being hated, I had did not have that impression
at all. I feel like you're an iconic housewife and
when you came back, everyone was like, yes, Jesus, shot
hasn't arrived and we were here for it, right And
I thought.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
In person you and John were so sweet.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
I was so like taken aback by just what a kind,
warm person you were. And I don't know why they
didn't show any of that of you, this like cute
relationship and you're such like an amazing mom. I don't
know if that wasn't shown. So I feel like I
do not think everyone hates you. That is not the truth.
You are iconic and fabulous.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well you don't, and that's all that matters, Roxy, because
you and I had a who even though we only
spent about an hour or two together, but we were so.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Warm and welcoming, and I wish that fun, fabulous, bubbly
side of you. I know that it's coming back to
TV in some way.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I just have Roy Okay manifesting that.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
We're putting it out there in the universe.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Okay, we are, we are Okay, So but also your
husband is fabulous too.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Way who you have to find out who was who
wasn't nice?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Oh, we're right back up, but we have to get that.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
I follow a lot of the girls and I like
naturally follow each other who are on different shows, because
I was on the Real Housewords of Toronto and Gina
and I follow each other. Emily and I follow each other,
and when I saw Gene it was like a really
big warm hub, like, oh, yes, I like love. It's
like meeting in person after you've been Instagram friends, right,
(45:58):
And I've always been really here for Emily because of
all the kind of conversation around her body.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
So I was always like rooting for Emily.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
And when I saw Emily, I was like, hey, it's
Roxy and she just sort of like a bit big
time to me.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
And then I was like, oh, maybe you don't recognize me.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
And I was like, we're I think we're friends on
Instagram and then you like have that awkward moment where
you have to like backtrack and then she's like she's.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Like she's like, oh we do I don't know.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Oh, nice to meet you.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
And I was like, girl, I have been going to
bat on social media for that girl, and I was like,
maybe she didn't see it, but you know, it could
have just been a moment.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
But I was a little I was like, oh, okay, okay, wow.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
So not everyone was as warm and friendly as you
and me. I've had a lot of amazing people that night,
and so.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
And then just a few people who are a little.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Her snickitty little nose nose up a little a little bit.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
Like oh who are you? Are you like the new
girl in town or you're from Canada? And I was like,
We're on the same show, all doing the same thing,
like no Bravo show, and then be like too big
for your bridges, like relax, we're all here doing reality TV.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
We all are in the same thing.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Like not Blake Lively, you are you are literally.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Like we're not. There's already here.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
There's one hundred and fifty of us out there exactly
speaking about that. What okay, So since you are from
the Toronto you know, I've got two questions that are
I'm dying to ask right now. But the first one is,
what do you notice is the difference between like the
Canadian housewives then you've filed and like the field that
you get from the American or the vibe from the
(47:41):
American Housewives.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Oh that's so interesting because this was like so apparent
at Kathie Hilton's party.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
Was everybody is there.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
It's like the land of self promotion, you know, like
everyone is here to like build their brand or run
their thing, or announce their steakline or their lashes or
whatever it is. Everybody is like confident to like promote
themselves and share what they're doing. And it's like in Canada,
it's very like old money. It's like cringey to self
(48:10):
promote yourself in like a way, like I felt everyone
was like so conservative about what they were doing or
like I mean, I'm doing the show just to talk
about my philanthropy and you're like what, No, No one's
doing the Housewives to talk about their philanthropy.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
So none, none of the Canadian women have any other
side gig at all, like a restaurant or a nail
salon or any kind of salon or anything. It's just
they're just doing the show. So it's almost more like
a hobby for them, Like they're just excited to be
in front of the camera and it's a hobby.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
I think they just wanted to do it to kind
of like some of them are doing some things like
there was a girl at a yoga business and stuff,
but I think they were just like there for the
party and it wasn't like as business y, and I
think like the difference is it wasn't even about the
business or not business. I think it's that in La
everyone I meet is like here for it, Like they're
here for talking about.
Speaker 5 (49:00):
Themselves and right and about sharing what they're doing. Like
they're all in the land of dreamers and.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
They're all they're all fine having five gigs, like the
product and the housewives and a mom like all of that.
Speaker 5 (49:12):
Everybody is here to do the same thing.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
And I feel like just like a Canadian cultural thing
with like society women is very like they're very conservative,
like we don't wear the loudest fashion, We don't promote ourselves,
we don't wow.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
This is so about that they don't wear wear the
loudest fashion. So are they do they wear labels or
are they more of like the no label is better.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
They're wearing fabulous clothes, but they're not like out there.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
You know, not Louis Vuitton logos everywhere in Cindy logos.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
And conservative old money.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
I would say, like quiet, but you know what, quiet
luxury doesn't work on TV, certainly not on reality TV.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Well, speaking of that, so give us the syrup. Okay,
give us the tea on this. So all the maple
syrup from Canada. But to you, like, are they coming back?
The In Touch weekly article just came out that announced
you guys were in Toronto, the Housewives were in Toronto.
Is it coming back? Are you going back?
Speaker 5 (50:13):
Well, let me just say this.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
I just moved to Beverly Hills like four months ago,
and I'm certainly not leaving this backyard.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Okay, girl, The windows are everything you can't even.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
Tell I am, like, I live in the most beautiful,
serene place where there is no snow.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
So I certainly go back and film a show in
the winter.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
But look, I'll tell you this, Toronto has a very dynamic,
amazing group of women, and I think it's a cool city.
There's a lot happening there. As I know your president says,
were like just another state.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
We are not.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
We're our own country and it's a fabulous country with
really fabulous people. And so I feel like it would
be great to see the Housewives come back.
Speaker 5 (50:56):
There, but I can't say if.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
I do you think it's a one and done.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
I did the show like six years ago, and there
was all of this like commotion when it came out.
All these people watched it and loved it, and then
there was like a and the network's merged.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
And I don't know what happened, but I came out
on top.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
So it was a great scenario for me, and I
didn't need to do it again because I was able
to launch an incredible fashion line. I now run like
the coolest AI tech company, and I was able to
do it all out of one season.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
And so all these years, like and for so many.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Years, I was like wishing and willing that they would
come back and ask me to do another season and
it would be rebooted. And then I fell in love
with Arnold. I had two beautiful babies. My life just
took off. And just as it like was all like
manifested into this gorgeous life, all of a sudden, I
get a call and they're like, we want to do
something based around you, and I was like what And
(51:55):
it was so exciting, but you know, I'll say this,
what happens in TV is. It's a long process, and
somewhere along the way, when everybody kind of wants you,
you're like, maybe I should just go to the land
of reality TV and see.
Speaker 5 (52:10):
What happens there.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Well, look, I have to answer.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
That for me.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Well, listen, congratulations unless I have to jump off for
another thing. But Roxy was so great to meet you,
and listen, girl, based on your husband in the house
and you, reality TV is definitely forever and unless, congratulations
on this podcast and me being your first.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Guys, I have so much.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Fun breaking news you got breaking today? Yes, okay, bye guys,
by bye bye bye Roxy.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
Okay, bye guy Bye
Hey, guys, like the Filino here, I am here on
a very fun day just to clear the air and
get some new gossip out there, somethings that none of
you have heard before. And I'm here with my friend
Carlos King, who you know. I think he's going to
have some good insight for me.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Carlos alexis so good to see your dafface.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Hi, Hi, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm good?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
How's it going. I'm so excited for you. Congratulations or
join the pod world.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Thank you, thank you. This is the This is definitely
dipping my feet in very fast, but with one of
the best. So thank you for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Okay, first of all, the Kathy Hilton party, let's just
get that out of the way, because that was Is
that not the most amazing experience?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Hi? It was so much fun and it was nice
just to be a mox your peers, do you know
what I mean, like people within your industry who kind
of just has so much respect for the art of
this John and Rubbie Carr reality television, because it's a
tough gig to have, so to be a mox the
reality elite, to be celebrated, to have Kathy Hilton be
(01:23):
the grand hostess that she is, and to see you
and John, I had a really really good time.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
You well, you were the best dressed. I'm not saying
that just because I'm trying to like by far, like
even over John, I'm sorry, but yeah, and I'm like, Okay,
I wonder was that was that coat last season or
this season or what it? What was it? It was
Louis Baton, right.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It was a little biton coat that was.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I couldn't take my off of it, and it was listen.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I I went to London for a day in September,
and when I walked in, you know how like sometimes Alexis,
you walked to a store and you know how, like
the associate are like, is there anything you're looking for,
and You're.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Like, I'm actually browsing, you know, And that actually was browsing. Girl.
I saw that calla and You're.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Like the heavens opened.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Oh girl, and I said, I have to have it.
I tried it on and I'm like, let me just
buy it. So I bought it in September, and I
kept saying to myself, you gotta find the perfect occasion
to wear it. Honey, Kathy Healthon's party. Honey's the perfect occasion.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I start shopping for her a gown for her dress
or a dress for her event like in August or September,
Like I'm I'm always because it is the party of
the year. Yes. And then the other thing, was you
like your energy when you come around is just so infectious?
Do you see people flocking to you? Like, did you
notice that at all?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You know I did, And I'll say this, it's such
a compliment to hear that, So think you like, sis,
I am a people person. I I really do love people,
and I am of the people. So whether you're a
celebrity or not, I give the same energy to anybody
that either meet for the first time or I'm a
fan of and listen, I tell people all the time.
(03:14):
I'm a fan and a student of reality TV. So
it's nice to meet someone like you. It was nice
to meet I mean, I did meet Emily and Gina.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
That's okay. Hey, you know we're all we're all work associates,
we're all in the same business.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And why I wait, in a minute, you guys are
best friends. Shut the front door.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
We are not best friends. Never said that. Don't don't
put words in my mouth, Carlos to.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You the concept, Oh.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh yeah, oh got you?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Okay, no, but when when to piggyback on what you
were just saying. I feel like being in that environment,
like John and I have been so judged this season
and so, you know, just the vital hate that we've had.
It was so nice to have so many people come
up and be like, we understand, girl, we get it.
We noticed as TV we know that this was So
(04:04):
I did leave that party feeling like America can hate us,
but at least the people that were there that work
in this industry get it and are like, Okay, you
had to take one for the team. It was a
bad season whatever, so that.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Let me stop you there, Let me stop you there.
America doesn't hate you.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
And this is what I want to tell you as
somebody who has been doing housewives since two thousand and eight,
starting Atlanta Housewives, and this is the way before social
media was a thing. Social media represents two percent of America,
right of the world, not just Americans, the world at large.
Just because there's people on social media who are in
(04:41):
competition to leave the best comment, and by the best,
I mean the.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Worst comment, the most hateful.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You mean, yeah, because they have to one up each other.
And I never want you, Alexis, or any of the
girls or guys on reality television to assume for a
millisecond that these comments represent the world at large. I
tell people all the time, when you go out into
(05:11):
the real world and you interact with people, nine times
out of ten, you're not going to run to people
who have that same you know, hate that they do
online because it is not real.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So we haven't had.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
One, are you.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
We haven't had one person out out in the world.
Wherever we're traveling or wherever we are, we have you know,
everyone always comes up and says, I love you, You're
my favorite this season everyone. I think that that just
comes out of people's mouth because they don't know what
to say to you when they see you. They mean it,
but they don't know. They don't know. They don't. I
know they don't, and I'm okay, look, I am not
here to get my ego coaches. Okay, I know I
(05:46):
am good, but but it is it is just a weird.
It just felt really good to be at that party,
It really did, and to have people say we get it.
We understand because they all are in the industry. They
are and Kathy does. Last year she brought in snow
like this woman, not like okay, Ice was all over
it was. It was the real deal. So anyway, that
was amazing. But I do want to ask you, and
(06:07):
I want you to be completely honest, Carlos, and if
you hurt my feelings, it's okay. At the end of
the day, I know that you, I know who you are,
and I appreciate your truth behind this, Okay. So I
want to ask you, what do you think I could
have done this season that would have possibly allowed the
viewers to like actually connect from my story? What did
(06:29):
I do that made them disconnect so much from me?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
You came across too hard in your defense of John.
I would if I were you the first episode when
you came in looking gorge and you told Shannon there's
a door channel of door and you defended John. That
would have been the end of it. And what I
(06:53):
would have done is said Shannon as a woman. I
need you to know that you and I don't have
an issue because I didn't that thing to you. I
Alexis Belino, did not do anything directly to you Shannon
the door.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I didn't date you, I in sleep with you. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I don't know you.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, we don't know each other like that, Like I
don't know you.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So I understand that the guy I'm in love with
and I'm seeing that you two have an issue.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
So guess what, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Let you two fight that battle because the battle is
not mine, it's yours, right, And I would have left
it there, and then I would have I would have
definitely used more of my camera time to get to
know the girls, because I will say this, I if
I was her producer or friend, I would have said,
(07:40):
how amazing would it be that you and Shannon kind
of become friends?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Like like what what? What?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
What a great surprise would that have been if you
use that opportunity to get to know her? Because I'm
gonna tell you something I did Atlanta House White season four, right,
Marlon Hampton came on the show nine Leaks obviously was
like the face of that particular franchise. Long story short,
it was alleged and Marlow Hampton had a boyfriend that,
(08:07):
allegedly Nini Leeks was like seeing at the time while
she and Greb were going through divorce, so everybody thought like,
oh my gosh, marlow and Nini about to be the odds.
And the best thing Ninni leaks did she befriended Marlowe,
and the shocked the cast and it's the reason why
Marla Hampton became a housewife.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So I would have definitely did the.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I would have done the most shocking thing, which was like, hey,
maybe me and Shannon could be friends after all.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And I appreciate that, and in the perfect world that
might have been able to happen. Let me give you
a little background and then tell me how, because this
is great, This is great advice, and obviously hindsight's twenty twenty.
When you look back, you're like, Okay, I could have,
should have would up. However, I was in a knowing situation.
I feel even hearing you say what you just said,
because I do not have You know, I don't wish
(08:58):
ill on anybody, even my worst endemy, anyone, I don't
wish any ill on them. I was going in optimistic
that we could be amicable and do our job, which
is work together in a group of women. She was
never going to have any part of that. By the way,
I think she went in the season saying I will
never talk to her. I don't care, I don't want
to film with her. She fell with this is the
least amount she possibly could. I asked for constant sit
(09:19):
downs with her, never what happen, just to smooth it over,
because I could see I could see the wear and
tear on the women's faces for trying to be friends
with me and friends with her, and knowing that they
didn't really dislike either of us. They just didn't know
they were put in a really bad position too. So
in my mind, I'm like, let's try to just be amicable,
do our job and get through the day, and at
the end of it, it is John in your battle. However,
(09:41):
the first meeting I had with her where she asked
to speak to me, I said, okay, that was when
I've said, there's the door, Shandon, buta door. Three things
came up that she had, like they cut it down
to the one. There were three other things, And so
I sat there for twenty five minutes just listening, listening, listening,
and I'm like, okay, oh my gosh, let's get to
the elephant out of the room. Let's just squash it now.
Well and so yeah, that was hard. It was hard.
(10:03):
I was also nervous. I was also getting eaten up
by her at the moment, and I was also just
tired of it. I'm like, this isn't the real problem.
So in hindsight, you are absolutely right. I should have
probably just said, Okay, I know you're hurting. I am not.
This is not easy on me either, you know, like
it was not easy for me to do any of
the filming that I did this season, Carlos the other
parts of that. So that's one part. The other part
(10:24):
to that is I would go into the scenes, and you,
being a producer, can appreciate this. I would go in
thinking not going to mention his name. I have so
much more to talk about. I would connect with the
other women. I would find out about their children, I
would find out about what was going on. We would
talk about real life things happening, and then lo and behold,
one of the women would have to bring up his name.
And there were so many misconceptions about him the entire season,
(10:46):
and so many lives that were said, what would you
do if that was your the person you love? And
what I've learned one of my downfalls is when I love,
I love hard, and I am loyal to a fault,
and this defending John came to my own detriment. I
get that I lost in the public, the world of
public opinion. I get that the court of public opinion.
But I also wanted to live authentically and also wanted
(11:09):
to really film an authentic show. And so if people
are constantly talking about him other castmates when I'm supposed
to not be talking about him and I'm really trying
not to, then how do you handle that moving forward?
Just for any other reality person or anything like, how
do you move past that?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
They can only use what you give? Right?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
So I always remember that they can only use what
you give. If Emily or Gina or have our camera
brought up John, I would say to them once again,
he is not here to defend himself now. And the
(11:54):
more you repeat that, the more they're going to say, well,
this ship is unusable and we have to move on.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And that's how you take your back, right, That's.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
What I did wrong. That's what I did wrong because
I would do that once and then it would keep going,
and then I would give in and then yeah, okay,
now I'm mad, and now y'all are really taking me off,
and so then it would happen. And that's you're absolutely right,
that's where I.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So that's the reason why.
I mean, look, la la l l la la la la. Look,
it's the reason why you have someone I'm gonna be
very honest with you.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Shannon played the game very well this season, very well
this season because obviously, I think everybody went in thinking like,
oh my gosh, I had a dui and let's focus
on that and let's see what's going on. And we're
seeing the same situation happen on PATMA with Karen Huger,
another person who got a dui. What's been interesting about
(12:41):
Shannon and Karen situation is rightfully, so the cast members
have questions, but I think when you go so hard
I'm not saying you did this about the dui, by
the way, I'm saying when when this is more of
a tamor thing that I told her about. Right, When
you're so harsh to somebody dealing with that, at some point,
(13:02):
it's like, guys, get them a break. And I think
Shannon did a good job this season making sure that
she showed and I'm not saying it was real or not.
I don't know Shannon, but Shannon did a great job
in this season showing her rulnerability and emotion and and
to the point where I even told Tamra, and I
said this on my own podcast, I felt bad for Shannon.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I felt Tamar was so hard.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
On on on Shannon that I gave Tamara grace by
saying this, alexis, Tamra has seen things that we haven't.
They were actually best friends, They went on tour together,
they hung out together. Unfortunately, us, the audience, we can
only judge what we see, and when it came to
(13:47):
Shannon and Tamara, that's why a lot of us was
on Shannon's side when it came to you and Shannon, Shannon.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I'm gonna give her her credit.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
She did a great job at making sure to show okay,
the run ability of this alleged loan and things like that.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
We listen, you could be a Shannon fan or not.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
We all believe John in terms of the the details
of it. I believe John's details for sure. Right the
part that came in, it felt like it was two
against one, and and that's why the audience decided to
sway more in Shannon's.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Side, got it? Yeah, wow, Yeah, And I mean when
I sit back and trust me, I've played this through
in my mind hundreds of times, and I still come
back to the fact that like, I just don't know.
I mean, I just can't. I can't put a put
in my I mean like I can't, I can't put
a muzzle on myself if I get to the point
where I'm just like okay, enough to enough, And that's
(14:46):
something I truly need to work on, Like I need
to learn to just go. And I wish now I
would have done that. I never even thought about just
sitting back and going that's between you and John. I'm
just sitting here going his name. He's getting brought up.
He's not here just to say anything. I'm his only voice.
I'm the only thing he had. Where if I had
stapped back, maybe it would have it would have all
just panned out completely differently. But like I said, that's
(15:08):
neither here nor there. We can't go back. So the
other thing I wanted to ask you is what do
you think, like, what's your true feeling about the final
scene that came in after?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
So I thought I was very confusing, and I did
not understand it, so I listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, Linda,
this season of the Rehousewives for County, season eighteen was
the best season in Orange County history.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I loved it.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I never thought the Brooks alleged cancer situation would be
top because that was such dramatic, great television. I never
thought the season where Gretchen had her first season. I
want to say, with season three or four, whatever, that
was a great first season.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And for Gretchen and for Tamor to emerge.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
As like a badass, this season topped both to me
because it was a great display of balance.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You know. I thought every girl clocked in.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I thought Emily and Gina had their best seasons ever.
And I thought Heather de brou had a great season.
I thought everybody clocked in right when it came to
the reunion, and I'm gonna get to the ending scene.
When it came to the reunion, I said this on
my podcast. I thought Emily was was fighting for her life.
(16:28):
I felt like she was auditioning for Tomato and taler
Banks said, I have two cars left in my hands,
and one.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Of your girls would be America Next Time Model.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
And Emily said, well, bitch, I would be an america next
top lawyer. And I felt that she was so hard
on you and was just so like unlikable to me,
and I like, I like Emily, but I detested her
performance on on the Reunion. So then I was like, okay, fine,
great reunion all three parts. I'm here for it. Then
(16:57):
it was the final scene and I'm like, well, what
the F is this? Like what are we watching here?
And then as I was watching it and I'm like,
why is this important?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
And then I'm watching it something yeah, I was like,
it's done.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't need this.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And then it hit me and I said to myself, okay, okay,
I think the choice was definitely two things were happening
in that scene.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
To me.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Number one, I felt like I felt that it was
an opportunity to show that we're off friends, we all
love each other, Shannon and Tammer have made up, Heather
looks great, and.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
We're all best friends.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
So come join us next season where you get to
see that this show.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Is a is a show about friends. Right.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
It was like very Jennifer Anison, Courtney Cox, and Lisa Kudro,
do you know what I mean? It was it was
very much like we're musty TV Thursday, nice at eight o'clock.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Right, Yes, that was the first thing to me.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
The second thing that I noticed, too, I was like, huh,
this was to me a loud message that a lessis
and John thank you for your.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Services, like bye, like bye, get out of here.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
We're done, We're closing the chapter on this storyline.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So those were the two things I walked away from
that scene.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, and I was obviously completely gobsmacked and completely let down.
I felt the same thing. I was like, Okay, you're used,
abused and thrown away. This is now we're done with you.
We got the ratings, now we're done. Those were my
initial two thoughts. And then my third thought was, holy shit,
(18:46):
Tamar and Heather just did this to me. And I
spoke to them right before and you know, after the
reunion we talked and we you know, so it took
me like a week before I could even talk to
either of them. They both texted obviously they felt bad
about that scene or just wanted to check in and whatever.
Took me about a week. I just said, I can't
talk right now. I'm too upset. I can't I got
(19:08):
I've got to let this all just marinate and I'll
talk to you because we do have a true friendship.
And that's the thing is I didn't want it to
you know, and I had just the funny thing is, Carlos,
this is firsthand information. Tamara had just come to my
house the Tuesday before that Thursday. So it airs on
that Thursday, right, She had just been at my house
for two hours. We were literally I was I had
my hair getting all done, I had boils everywhere. We
(19:30):
were eating crackers and just hanging out for two hours.
And I looked her in the eye at that moment.
It was almost like God told me something was happening,
because I asked her to come over and I said,
I need to see you eye to eye and we
can go to lunch or whatever, but I want to
see you face to face. Had her come over, she
spent two hours here, great time. You know. I just
looked at her at one point and I said, I
need to know something. Are we real friends or are
(19:51):
we TV friends? Like what is what is the what
do you classify our relationship as? And she looked at
me and was like, are you fucking serious right now?
Like are you really asking me this right now, and
I'm like, yeah, and we've talked it over. I felt
so confident in our friendship. And then that scene aired,
so two forty eight hours before she could have sat
(20:11):
me in the eyes and said, Alexis there is something
that's going to come out that you're not going to
you know, and she was worn to secrecy by the
you know, the crew and everything. I get all that
we're here to do a show. I get it. However,
you can drop a little crumb and say you're not
going to like the final scene, just giving you a
little you know, wait, like something nothing. Okay, so you
know her and I've had Tamara and Heather and I
(20:31):
are working through it. By the way, we're not I'm
not the person that's just going to write that off
and be like, Okay, you're never speaking to you again.
Like I do have a deep connection with Heather for
obviously some of the things we go through with the
LGBTQ world and just like our life journey that we've had,
plus what we went through a decade ago, and we
worked past that.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Right, But did you call Tamar after seeing that scene?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah? I don't remember who reached out first, but yeah,
either either she texted me or called me or I
called her. I don't know which would happen first. And
the same thing with Heather. All I know is that
I've had a couple hour conversations with Tamra trying to
work through it and just hammer it out. And then
I had one one hour conversation with Heather and we
had to get off the phone. She had to run
into another podcast, and so she's like, you know, we
(21:16):
need to shelve this obviously if it's not done yet,
because I I gave it to her because she's actually
the one that delivered the information to Shannon, and here's
the here's the kick me the most I know, and
I'm going to be real with you. So you had
to take all this information back to your rain drops, Okay.
So I literally was so like, hold on, because when
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John gave that information about actually hearing the crash, Heather
and Tamra both looked at us. So they were like.
Heather's defense was, oh, we were sitting around, you know,
it was a group of people. I said, no, Heather,
it was me and you and Tamra my two of
my closest friends. With Joe Dala Rosa who's a friend
of mine for a decade, and your two husbands. That's it.
That's not a big group. That's a very small group.
We were going to confined. John felt the you know,
(22:02):
like he's always questioned about it. Did you hear the wreck?
Did you not? He's always just said he's always been
honest about it. They both looked at him and said,
don't ever owe up to that. Don't ever tell any
of that. And John's like, I'm gonna tell the truth.
I'm gonna tell my side of the story. There's no
reason to not tell the truth. The truth can't hurt you.
The truth is, my daughter almost got hit. I did
hear the crash. We went running, my daughter stopped me,
(22:22):
pulled me back. They got in their car, they went
she was already gone. So there's nothing wrong with that truth.
They did check this scene out after they heard it.
Was it too late?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Did chan and drive off? Yeah? So that's the truth
of it. And so, you know, it just hurts because
nobody should have given that information to anyone else except John.
That should have been you know, they got mad at
me all season for being John's voice. Well, what the
fuck did you just do? You were just John's voice,
like just you don't need to speak for him. And
that's where I have to work through with Heather and Tarran.
(22:54):
That is where it is so like just hurtful because
it's like, you don't practice what you preach. You've been
preaching to me all season to do one thing, and
then you went and did exactly what you're telling me
not to do. And you put the nail on the
coffin by saying, Okay, lex Is God, we don't want
her back. You know, we're done. We're done with that storyline,
which I get it. By the way, here's first hand information,
(23:16):
Carlos King, I am not asked back next season. No,
I am not asked back. I did not.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
How'd you find out a phone call.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
With with with which I I and I have a
very good relationship with him Alex Basket obviously, but he's
my boss. But yeah, so, and it was a hard conversation.
It came, it didn't. I can't say it came as
a shock. I was gonna say it came as a shock.
It did not come as a shock. The timing because
it was like noon in the afternoon, I guess I
wasn't really prepared, and I didn't think contracts were coming
(23:47):
out any time. Like I thought we still had more time,
so I thought he was calling to check in. Okay,
the last scene stuffed. You know, I didn't know what
he was calling for, but it was a shocking when
the call came. I was never shocked about that information
because it's what are they going to do? I didn't know,
especially after that scene, where how do I fit in?
You know? And I am very good friends with Katie
(24:09):
and Jen. Still I'm working through it with Heather and Tamra.
I still thought there might be a way they can
make it work for everybody to come back. But you know,
the cards played the way they did, and how do
they bring someone back who is not a fan favorite
versus the fan favorite? And I get that. And when
one door closes, another door opened, it's totally it was
(24:29):
a it was a little bit of a real I mean,
nobody wants the rejection and no one wants to say, Okay,
you're not as bad. It's already happened to me. It
happened to me on season eight. Okay, I've been there,
done that, So it's like, okay, here we go again.
But you know, there was an instant of oh my gosh,
if pay relief because now the decision's not on my shoulders.
It was just taken away. Now we pick up the
(24:51):
pieces that we move forward, right because if the decision
had come and the contract came. Part of what John
and I spent many nights talking about is do I
have what it takes to go through another season like
what I just went through, like watching every episode where,
But if I was a full member, for a full
cast member, I would have had more opportunity to tell
my story, to show my side of me that's not
(25:11):
just John, because he's not my entire life. Like, yeah,
I'm marrying him, but he's not my entire life. There's
so many more facets and so many fun things happening
in our life. But at the end of the days,
it makes it easy when the decision is not yours anymore.
You know, it's like, Okay, now I got to move on.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Did you cry? No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I think I think I cried so much throughout the
season just from the way that I was portrayed that
it was I don't think I had any more tears
to cry, And it was, like I said, I was
kind of so beaten down already that it's and just
from the hate that's come online. It's almost like I
just I don't have any more tears to cry. It's
(25:55):
like I'm it's made me stronger. That's the one thing
this season made me a lot stronger. So I want
to talk to.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You about that really quickly, because obviously.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
You did have a lot of you know, vitrol when
it came to the audience reaction by audience. I'm talking
about social media audience to the point where you turn
off your comments on your page. Can you explain to me, like, listen,
we all wanted and I mean disrespectfully because that's the
thing name they gave. We wanted Jesus Jugs back, right,
(26:29):
Everybody was sort of like campaigning, right, Alexis for you
to come back. And that felt good. It feels good
to be wanted, to be desired, especially by the audience,
and you obviously were requested by the audience to come back,
and then it was a noster coming back and again
it was like Yay, she's back, and that must have
(26:51):
felt good. When did you realize there was a turn
in the reception of you from want being requested to
come back, the fans being excited at you're coming back,
and then it got so bad to where you turn
off the comments.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Well, let me let me just say I turned off
the comments for the sake of my children. They're very protective.
They I don't care what people say about me. I
have a seventeen, seventeen, and eighteen year old and they're
very protective. And they they were like, Mom, we're gonna
start yelling at these people, like I'm going to go
to bat. I'm not. I can't take it anymore. And
I thought, I'm okay with it because I know that
(27:30):
I don't care. I don't really care what anyone said
about me. I have a great life. I mean, I'm
marrying the man of my dreams. I have three grade kids.
We have businesses we've started, like we're busy and it's
fun and life is fun. But when your kids come
to you and can't take it, and I you know,
I've had many talks with them and sat them down
and said, you guys, understand TV's TV. Even though it's reality,
(27:50):
it's still TV and it's not a real world. It's
not what you know because you watched the episodes. You
know that's not really your mom, But they cut too
much out to make it not really be me. Where
if they would have put a little bit more and
made it more balanced, like you said, it's a balance
season for the entire cast members, maybe it was a
balance season. It was not a balanced season for me.
I've made it very vocal on social media. It was
(28:14):
not balanced And if they would have made it more balanced,
America wouldn't have or I wouldn't have had so much
vitriol from it. And I'm okay with that. When you're I.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Want to say this too, I want to say this
because I did say this is my podcast. When I
say a balanced season, I'm obviously talking about the Orange Holders, right,
the women, the Housewives. I said this to my podcast.
You being a friend of it's a deficit because you're
not allowed just by definition of.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Being a friend of, you're not allowed to share your
full story.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You know, you are literally coming in as a friend
and you have limited scenes and limited confessionals and then
limited ability who you know, show showed the full life.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
So yeah, but then on on the flip side of that,
I'm okay with that, but also, don't use my story
in my world to become the main storyline, like just
don't like. That's where it really started to affect me,
is I don't mind being the friend of I am goofy.
I do do airheaded things. I do like to have
fun and laugh a lot. But that is so not
(29:14):
only me, you know. And I would have been okay
with that if I feel like a lot of the
content was used almost against me instead of trying to
show a little bit more balance. And there's a way
to do both. But it brought good ratings, Okay, whatever,
I mean, you move on. It's like it's done, we
film that, it's over. So coming back to what you said,
that's the reason I turned off my comments was for
my children, not because of me, Like I said, it's
(29:36):
my kids need to be able to handle the world
that I've just brought them back into when they were four, three, four, five, six, seven,
different world, right, They don't read comments and all of that.
So I and I am going to turn comments back on,
and I am just kind of letting things. It's just
like just let it, you know. I almost went through
a phase Carlos where I said, I'm never going to
turn it back on. This is nice. I never have
to look at anything. I just post what I want.
(29:58):
This is my world I never have.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It's like it's like, Okay, this is nice, but I
realize it's like no, just just turn back on. I'll
get there. I'm just trying to let things somewhere bound
for my children.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Listen, it's a tough gig. Being on reality TV is
not easy. And what's funny is there everybody watching feels like.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
They can do it better. And it's like, you don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Until you put into this social experiment, you don't know.
And that's why I had to mention everybody campaign for
you to come back, and then when you.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Came back, you are gone.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
And so that's why I always tell people I love
the audience, and we are who we are because of
the audience. But the audience doesn't always get it right.
And you can't live your life not saying you're doing this,
But you can't live your life worrying or or thinking
that the audience knows better because that's not the case.
(30:53):
I feel bad for you, honestly because I wish Shannon
say this as Shannon, if you're listening, I will send
you a bouqueer of roses because my listen, this is
how this shit works. Shannon emerged as a fan favorite
of the season, right, and Shannon did a great job
(31:16):
being the reality star that she is.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
She did a great job.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I would love for reality star to at least have
some self awareness to say, well, shit, thank you Alexi
for coming on the show, because.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I mean, dude, on me could listen.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
If you weren't on the show, it would just be
Shannon versus Tamara, and that would have got very old,
very soon. That's why Tamara was like, all right, you're
doing the first of your turn, like.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And like, I totally know. I recognized very early on
how much I was helping Shannon then helped her because
of the fact that, you know, I wanted my friends
on the cast to see the John that I know
and who he really is, not the John they were
hearing from misconception, and so I question, yes.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Not to cut you off, Yeah, do you feel like
Tamra and had the hatch back the whole season?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
You know. The reunion was another one where Tamra, Yeah,
she was on interviews non stop trying to like, you know,
give the truths out there and do I definitely feel
like Tamar had me. I feel like, if I'm being honest,
and I would tell this to Heather's face obviously, if
I'm going to stay it on a podcast, I'll say
to both their faces. But I feel like Heather so
(32:38):
wants everyone to like her and just wants to play
like Vanilla the whole way and still make a good
TV show, which she does a good job of. But
you know, she sat right by me at the reunion
and could have simply said, mean girl, Emily, shut that up,
you know, like let Alexis talk. Didn't do that, didn't
intersert herself in any way when she's sitting right next
to me, because a lot of the other women, you know,
after the reunion, I called and said, what the head?
(33:00):
How come none of the four of you? Because I
have four really true friends on there, how come none
of the four of you stuck up for me or
said one thing? And everybody knew going in I was
going into the lions Den. Why did nobody say anything? Well,
Katie was like, I was completely just I was, you know,
completely numb because I'd just been yelled at and had it,
had a really bad ripe before you.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
And has so Yeah, she was planning it.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, Yeah, j Jen said she basically couldn't hear me.
Tamer said she couldn't hear me, which I had to
kind of believe him at the time because it's like
Emily was so loud mouthed and so yelling that like
doing the acting you said she was doing, and it's
like it was like, okay, her performance, Yeah, she was
too loud. So I kind of understood that and got it. However,
you know, when you look back and watch the season, Yeah,
(33:48):
Heather and Tamer could have definitely stuck up a little
bit more, and they did know the truth. They knew
all about the videos behind closed doors. John had disclosed
that to them. John had not shown them, but talked
about them and said, this is what I had to
go through that night. He had. He had opened up
to them a lot because we were very close friends,
and so you do that in confidence, thinking it's going
(34:08):
to be John's story to tell, and then they told it.
So all of that was just so Yeah, to answer
your question, no, I think they probably could have done more.
I do think Tamara did a lot on a lot
of the interviews and a lot of behind in the
scenes stuff, just trying to you know her and I
you know I, Yeah, yeah, I think she I think
she did. Heather could have definitely jumped in more.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, but I see that.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I see that, Okay, because I was going to say, you,
you obviously don't feel Heather and Tamara had my back.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Oh no, no, no, no no no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
I wanted to because obviously we're not allowed to see everything.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I wanted to know because I'm not.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Obviously you're friends with them, y'all, Hank God, you have
two hour lunches and conversations over the phone. I wanted
to know from your Manta's point, with you knowing these
girls outside of the cameras, did you do.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You feel like?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
What did you feel like the conversations you guys have
behind the scenes with no cameras around reflected the same
conversation you had when there was a camera. And I'm
asking that because I know how this shit works, and
people get so mad at me about like when I
say things like hey, on some of these shows, it's
(35:21):
like the game of Survivor. It's an alliance. A lot
of these girls, you know, they have an alliance. They
feel like, well, well, I'm not gonna name names, Bob.
Remember a housewife said to me once, I can't go
against her because if I do, the audience would hate me.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I definitely feel that that started part way through the season.
I do feel like they were starting to see how
much hate I was getting online or social media hate,
and they were just like, Okay, we can't. We need to,
we need to back off a little bit because we
don't want to get the hate. Nobody wants that. What
I was getting and what I still am getting, some
of it's like nobody wants that, so I But the
(36:04):
whole time, Carlos, I'm open minded and I get it.
I don't blame them. I wouldn't want hate that I
don't necessarily need. There's so much hate already in this world.
You know, when you're putting yourself in front of the
public eye and you're at the gas station and your
hair's all frizzy because you just woke up and you
had to run to the gas station while you're taking
your kids somewhere, you know, it's like you already get
so much scrutiny and hate. I don't blame them for
(36:25):
any of that, and I don't that doesn't I don't
hold that against them. That part of it. I do
wish more friends would have stuck up for me at
the reunion, and I do think that that final scene
was you know, Heather was way out of line and
did something that no friends should do to anyone. So
and we're I'm working through it. I'm trying to you know,
(36:46):
she at got these parties. She's like, let's go to lunch.
We got to go to lunch. We got to finish
because I'm leaving for her. But we got to talk
this through and want to get back so and I will,
and I you know, my love for them, and I
have to set aside and go this is my friend
I love on the side, and this is the TV job.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
But I gotta I gotta be honest. I gotta be honest.
I was at the same party as you, and.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I had a great time meeting Emily and Gina for
the first time, and they showed me so much love,
and I show them love, and I love those girls.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I will say this, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I saw Heather hang out with Emily and Gina the
entire night, and I didn't see a lot of her
hanging out with you.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Well, John, and I were flitting around though we weren't
sitting still. We were moving and going to different groups.
So I don't know. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
It was because but the thing is this, there's real
life and then there's being you know, real And again,
I'm only talking about what I saw at the party,
so I'm literally basing off of that. Okay, every time
I saw Heather, she was with Gina and Emily. They
(37:57):
moved from one section to another to another. It wasn't
like separate came back. They were with each other the
entire night.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Okay, I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, and I was just sort of like, but if
you're closer to Alexis, then why aren't you do not
you go to all saying.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I got I didn't say it with Alexis, right.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
She was hanging with the cast that's coming back to
the show because you have to build your alliance.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Well yeah, and they did just film that final scene.
They did know. I wasn't asked back. They're keeping it
quiet because I think they were waiting for Bravo or
me to announce the information. But you know, yeah, so
maybe that is true. So so then in all honesty,
maybe it is just a TV friendship Carlos, you know,
but I don't feel that. I don't, I don't deep
(38:45):
down feel that because of the fact that you know,
part of it is Heather and I haven't worked it
all out, so she's not going to come sit and
hang with me when we don't have it all hashed
out and we still need to have one more conversation
get at the bottom of it. Like there is still
just an awkwardness. And she even at one point it
was just like can we talk, Like, let's talk, and
it's like, right now is not the right time or place,
but yes, let's meet up when you get back. So
(39:06):
I think that there's you know, and at one of
those events. I don't feel like at any of those
events in Hollywood or any party you're at is the
right time to hash anything out. You're there to have
fun and you know, take a gorgeous pick and that's it,
you know, and celebrate. So it just wasn't the right
timing and we'll see. I mean, okay, only time will tell, Carlos.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
You know, Yeah, let me know how it goes in
a year.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Because one thing I always tell people now I always
tell people this, and no one believes me, and that's fine.
I'm just somebody who's been producing reality to people for
sixteen years, so you would think I know what I'm
talking about. I always tell people true friendships last. The
test of the reality season and the moment Tamara Judge
got fired and Shannon stopped calling her, I tell Tamra,
(39:52):
why are you shocked that was a TV friendship? The
fact that you got fired and all of a sudden,
this one man you spoke to every single day, seven
days a week doesn't call you like wake up as
mother folders in her cup. So listen. I hope you
and Heather are able to work it out. I'm not
saying that I don't. I really do hope so, but
(40:13):
I'm just I'm calling out.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
You're saying. Keep your eyes wide open, is what you're saying,
Tony obvious.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Keep your eyes wide open, child, because you just never
know who's gonna it, you know, try to get you.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
But no, just listen. It's just.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
I've said this a nauseum in my opinion that the
only two groups of friendships that I believe are are
super duper real, and no camera can separate the two.
The only two sets of besties that will live on
until the test of time is Giselle Brian and Robin
Dixon and Alexis and Mayrisol.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
My opinion real.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
None in Beverly Hills. None of the Beverly Hills girls
you think are real friends.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
The current cast.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
No, what about the past cast, because you never know
if the past cast is going to.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
The only true friendship on Beverley Hills that I believe
are true best friends. We tell each other everything is
Kyle Richards and Teddy Mailcamp.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
That's it. Okay, that's it. That's like like like like
think about it, Teddy.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
I'm gonna tell you how real of her friend Kyle
Richards is. Okay. Teddy is probably the most hated on
social media Former Housewife.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I listen, I think I think top i than you. Alexis. Well,
it's different, it's different. Yours is fresh, your supressure, right.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Teddy's been off Beverley Hills like four or five years,
so it's you know, time has passed. Yours is still fresh, Teddy.
The difference is that you were once beloved, so that's
the difference. Teddy was never beloved from social media, but
she has a hip podcast. So once again my point
is proven. You can't believe social media. Her podcast goes
number one with Tamera right exactly. So, no matter how
(42:12):
much hate Teddy gets, no matter how many times Teddy
is the butt of jokes, Kyle Rich has never allowed
that to define her friendship with Teddy. Kyle loves Teddy.
They're true friends, and that's a true friendship. Kyle would
never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever be like, well, Teddy,
(42:36):
social media hates you, so let me. This is myself
from you, and vice versa. When Kya was going through
the whole Mortgan Way scandal of it all, I had
to replace Teddy on her podcast with Tamra when the
news broke because Teddy said, guys, you can hate me
(42:58):
if you want to. At the end of the day,
Kyle is my friend. And what I'm not going to
do is talk about this because it's too close to home.
I respected it because that's a real friend.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
That's true. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Well, okay, so I can I can do some assessing,
if you know what I mean, Carlos. I do have
one more friend, the teer, and she's waiting to jump
on real quick and give us some maple syrup from
Toronto or tea if you would say. But she's a
very new friend. I have only spent two hours with
her at the Kathy Hilton party. However, she is vivacious,
(43:32):
she is fun, she is charismatic, and she's a real
housewife of Toronto. So Roxy Earls say.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
Hi, Hi, I loved meeting you both at Kathy Hilton's party.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah. Favorite. So that was your first Kathy Hilton party,
right as And.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
I literally just moved from Toronto like four months ago
to be so to be insighted to like Kathy Hilton's
Christmas party.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
I was like, what is happening? This is so fabulous?
Speaker 1 (43:59):
So what was your favorite part about it?
Speaker 4 (44:02):
I mean, I just loved meeting all of these like
amazing people, Like meeting you guys was so special. Just
meeting all of these people that I love or that
we are connected with on social that we haven't met
in person, like a lot of us follow each other
and then I met and I was like.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
Oh, you're not as nice in person or oh you're
in person?
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Oh please, who remind you who was not as nice?
Are you going to plead the bit? Are you going
to open.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Okay, first of all, alexis all of this talk about
you being hated, I had did not have that impression
at all. I feel like you're an iconic housewife and
when you came back, everyone was like, yes, Jesus, shot
hasn't arrived and we were here for it, right And
I thought.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
In person you and John were so sweet.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
I was so like taken aback by just what a kind,
warm person you were. And I don't know why they
didn't show any of that of you, this like cute
relationship and you're such like an amazing mom. I don't
know if that wasn't shown. So I feel like I
do not think everyone hates you. That is not the truth.
You are iconic and fabulous.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well you don't, and that's all that matters, Roxy, because
you and I had a who even though we only
spent about an hour or two together, but we were so.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Warm and welcoming, and I wish that fun, fabulous, bubbly
side of you. I know that it's coming back to
TV in some way.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I just have Roy Okay manifesting that.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
We're putting it out there in the universe.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Okay, we are, we are Okay, So but also your
husband is fabulous too.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Way who you have to find out who was who
wasn't nice?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Oh, we're right back up, but we have to get that.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
I follow a lot of the girls and I like
naturally follow each other who are on different shows, because
I was on the Real Housewords of Toronto and Gina
and I follow each other. Emily and I follow each other,
and when I saw Gene it was like a really
big warm hub, like, oh, yes, I like love. It's
like meeting in person after you've been Instagram friends, right,
(45:58):
And I've always been really here for Emily because of
all the kind of conversation around her body.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
So I was always like rooting for Emily.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
And when I saw Emily, I was like, hey, it's
Roxy and she just sort of like a bit big
time to me.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
And then I was like, oh, maybe you don't recognize me.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
And I was like, we're I think we're friends on
Instagram and then you like have that awkward moment where
you have to like backtrack and then she's like she's.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Like she's like, oh we do I don't know.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
Oh, nice to meet you.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
And I was like, girl, I have been going to
bat on social media for that girl, and I was like,
maybe she didn't see it, but you know, it could
have just been a moment.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
But I was a little I was like, oh, okay, okay, wow.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
So not everyone was as warm and friendly as you
and me. I've had a lot of amazing people that night,
and so.
Speaker 5 (46:48):
And then just a few people who are a little.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Her snickitty little nose nose up a little a little bit.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
Like oh who are you? Are you like the new
girl in town or you're from Canada? And I was like,
We're on the same show, all doing the same thing,
like no Bravo show, and then be like too big
for your bridges, like relax, we're all here doing reality TV.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
We all are in the same thing.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Like not Blake Lively, you are you are literally.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Like we're not. There's already here.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
There's one hundred and fifty of us out there exactly
speaking about that. What okay, So since you are from
the Toronto you know, I've got two questions that are
I'm dying to ask right now. But the first one is,
what do you notice is the difference between like the
Canadian housewives then you've filed and like the field that
you get from the American or the vibe from the
(47:41):
American Housewives.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Oh that's so interesting because this was like so apparent
at Kathie Hilton's party.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
Was everybody is there.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
It's like the land of self promotion, you know, like
everyone is here to like build their brand or run
their thing, or announce their steakline or their lashes or
whatever it is. Everybody is like confident to like promote
themselves and share what they're doing. And it's like in Canada,
it's very like old money. It's like cringey to self
(48:10):
promote yourself in like a way, like I felt everyone
was like so conservative about what they were doing or
like I mean, I'm doing the show just to talk
about my philanthropy and you're like what, No, No one's
doing the Housewives to talk about their philanthropy.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
So none, none of the Canadian women have any other
side gig at all, like a restaurant or a nail
salon or any kind of salon or anything. It's just
they're just doing the show. So it's almost more like
a hobby for them, Like they're just excited to be
in front of the camera and it's a hobby.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
I think they just wanted to do it to kind
of like some of them are doing some things like
there was a girl at a yoga business and stuff,
but I think they were just like there for the
party and it wasn't like as business y, and I
think like the difference is it wasn't even about the
business or not business. I think it's that in La
everyone I meet is like here for it, Like they're
here for talking about.
Speaker 5 (49:00):
Themselves and right and about sharing what they're doing. Like
they're all in the land of dreamers and.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
They're all they're all fine having five gigs, like the
product and the housewives and a mom like all of that.
Speaker 5 (49:12):
Everybody is here to do the same thing.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
And I feel like just like a Canadian cultural thing
with like society women is very like they're very conservative,
like we don't wear the loudest fashion, We don't promote ourselves,
we don't wow.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
This is so about that they don't wear wear the
loudest fashion. So are they do they wear labels or
are they more of like the no label is better.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
They're wearing fabulous clothes, but they're not like out there.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
You know, not Louis Vuitton logos everywhere in Cindy logos.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
And conservative old money.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
I would say, like quiet, but you know what, quiet
luxury doesn't work on TV, certainly not on reality TV.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Well, speaking of that, so give us the syrup. Okay,
give us the tea on this. So all the maple
syrup from Canada. But to you, like, are they coming back?
The In Touch weekly article just came out that announced
you guys were in Toronto, the Housewives were in Toronto.
Is it coming back? Are you going back?
Speaker 5 (50:13):
Well, let me just say this.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
I just moved to Beverly Hills like four months ago,
and I'm certainly not leaving this backyard.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Okay, girl, The windows are everything you can't even.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
Tell I am, like, I live in the most beautiful,
serene place where there is no snow.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
So I certainly go back and film a show in
the winter.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
But look, I'll tell you this, Toronto has a very dynamic,
amazing group of women, and I think it's a cool city.
There's a lot happening there. As I know your president says,
were like just another state.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
We are not.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
We're our own country and it's a fabulous country with
really fabulous people. And so I feel like it would
be great to see the Housewives come back.
Speaker 5 (50:56):
There, but I can't say if.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
I do you think it's a one and done.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
I did the show like six years ago, and there
was all of this like commotion when it came out.
All these people watched it and loved it, and then
there was like a and the network's merged.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
And I don't know what happened, but I came out
on top.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
So it was a great scenario for me, and I
didn't need to do it again because I was able
to launch an incredible fashion line. I now run like
the coolest AI tech company, and I was able to
do it all out of one season.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
And so all these years, like and for so many.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Years, I was like wishing and willing that they would
come back and ask me to do another season and
it would be rebooted. And then I fell in love
with Arnold. I had two beautiful babies. My life just
took off. And just as it like was all like
manifested into this gorgeous life, all of a sudden, I
get a call and they're like, we want to do
something based around you, and I was like what And
(51:55):
it was so exciting, but you know, I'll say this,
what happens in TV is. It's a long process, and
somewhere along the way, when everybody kind of wants you,
you're like, maybe I should just go to the land
of reality TV and see.
Speaker 5 (52:10):
What happens there.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Well, look, I have to answer.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
That for me.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Well, listen, congratulations unless I have to jump off for
another thing. But Roxy was so great to meet you,
and listen, girl, based on your husband in the house
and you, reality TV is definitely forever and unless, congratulations
on this podcast and me being your first.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Guys, I have so much.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Fun breaking news you got breaking today? Yes, okay, bye guys,
by bye bye bye Roxy.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
Okay, bye guy Bye
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