The Bachelorette with Kaitlyn Bristowe

The former Bachelorette had almost given up on ever being on DWTS, but she got the call in 2020 and slayed taking home the Mirrorball Trophy with pro partner Artem Chigvintsev! 

Kaitlyn Bristowe joins Cheryl to talk all about her time on season 29, like why it took so long for her to get on the show, why she asked the producers not to pair her up with Gleb Savchenko, and why Alan Bersten is no longer talking to her. . . yes it has to do with the "d--k" headlines. She explains everything! 

Plus, who Kaitlyn thinks is going to win, what she wishes she would have done more on the show, and a special edition of rapid-fire questions all about the DWTS Tour! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Sex Lies and Spray Tans with Me, Cheryl
Burke and iHeartRadio podcast. Hey guys, welcome to Sex Lies
and Spray Tans, So let's just get started. What I
admire most about my next guest is that she continues
to be her authentic and unapologetic self, which are two
qualities that I truly respect immensely. She is someone who

(00:21):
I wish I would have gotten to know better during
our time on Dancing with the Stars, so I'm really
excited to hopefully start a newfound friendship after this interview,
as I can relate to her story in so many
different ways. Today's guests one season twenty of the show
and impressively did so during the pandemic where we had
no live audience in the ballroom and was able to
still snag herself that mirror Ball trophy. She's a fighter

(00:43):
and continues to strive while inspiring millions of people, including myself,
every single week on her podcast that I'm also a
fan of, called Off the Vine. She continues to thrive
and push through social norms and isn't afraid to show
her vulnerability and transparency and hopes to help others do
the same. Please welcome, Caitlin Bristow. Caitlin, Hi, I just

(01:04):
did so. I did the intro already and I said
I wish we were friends, Like actually I wish we
got to know each other, but you know, there was
COVID during your season of dancing. But welcome, just welcome
to sex lives and spray dants.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Thank you for having me. I thought we were friends
until you just said that. But okay, cool, cool cool, No.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
No, I mean like like text like really close friends,
you know, like top five.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I know, I know You've always been somebody that I've
looked up to because I've watched the show for so long,
and when I got on Dancing with Stars, I was like,
I can't believe I get to be friends with Cheryl
and then.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
COVID and then COVID and then honestly, I just have
been stalking you for the past like that's a year.
I love all of your work. I love your how
freaking like I feel like we're twins. E's a little
bit with our thoughts and our experiences in life, and
I just love how open you are. So thank you

(01:57):
for doing that because it gives me more strength to
be are open too.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Right back, at you. I love following. There's certain people
on Instagram that just like, are really raw and vulnerable
and say things. And maybe it isn't the you know,
everyone's favorite opinion, but that's the same reason, all the
same reasons you just said are the reasons I like
to follow you.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Thanks girl, Thanks. Okay, So we're besties now, just okay,
check check, okay. So let's rewind a little bit. We're
just going to dive right in because you know what,
I hate small talk and I know you do too.
So why in the hell didn't you do Dancing with
the Stars like right after your time on the Bachelor Bachelorette?

(02:37):
Like what happened? Like there was a huge gap, right.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, which I was so shocked. I mean, timing always
works out the way it should. But as soon as
I came off the Bachelorette, I I didn't understand anything
about how TV works, about how contracts work, Like I
had to ask permission because I signed my life away
for ABC and I didn't know this. So when somebody

(03:01):
came to me and said, hey, I have an offer
for you from Dancing with the Stars back in twenty fifteen,
right when I did come off the show or twenty sixteen.
I was like, are you kidding me? I'll drop everything,
like this is a dream come true, and so I
said yes, negotiated with an entertainment lawyer, got everything signed,
and then the Bachelorette, the creator of the show, found out.

(03:23):
I said yes, and he was like, hmmm, actually I'm
going to say no, you can't do it, and what
I was so consed.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yes, I was so confused. I've met with him before.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, he was like, no, You're not going to do it.
He goes, I'm sick of people wanting fame after my
TV show. And he was just very against it, like
very very against it, and I tried so hard to
talk him into it, and he just kept saying no.
It was a hard no, hard no. And I was like,
but bachelors from the past have done it, so why
can't a bachelorette And he was like, the answer is no,

(03:56):
And so I dropped it and he said no. He said,
mark my words, nobody will ever go on this show.
From my show again on Dancing with the Stars and
then the next season was Ben Higgins after me and
Mike Place was like, do you want your own TV
show or do you want Dancing with the Stars, and
Ben picked his own TV show and then next season
Nick Viele Dancing with the Stars, and so I did

(04:19):
what you said, I do. I speak my mind, I
speak my truth. And I went to Twitter and I
took I took it to Twitter, and again, not knowing
how contracts work, I was like, Mike Price doesn't give
his a bachelorettes the same opportunity as the men, and
I just kind of raised hell. And I think a
lot of people got behind me on that, and so
I think people were rooting for me for a few

(04:40):
years to go on the show. And after yeah, after
a few years of I don't know. At one point
I was like, hey, guys, it's getting embarrassing, Like don't
say it anymore. It's just like it's the dream has gone.
But then out of nowhere, they were doing the greatest
seasons of all time on ABC and they asked me
to do it.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Then, so I was like, better late than never, right,
what was the like why do you think that? Why?
Like you know what I mean, because Melissa Ryecroft did
it and then Hannah Brown.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I don't think I don't think Mike Flice liked me
I don't think, and I think that's true. I didn't really.
I wasn't his biggest fan. He wasn't my biggest fan.
I think he wasn't used to somebody that comes into
that world, and you know, I was very loud and
tattoos and like, I think he just likes his women

(05:26):
to belorette. But he didn't want to. I think because people,
the viewers and everything were saying Caitlin for Bachelorette, and
a lot of the producers said it would be good
to do her, change things up, don't do the typical
girl next door.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
I don't think he actually wanted me to be the bachelorette.
Got it. You know, it's interesting because I just did
Chris Harrison's podcast I Forgot. I mean, it's a long,
long title. Oh, it's the.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Most dramatic podcast ever.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Dramatic.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
I was about to say embarrassing. I think I embarrassed
myself on his podcast. But whatever, but he uh, clearly.
I don't think he directly said it, but there's been
obviously drama with him as well, and then like with
me in this podcast, it's been interesting and you were,
all right, you make a good point. It's like whether

(06:15):
it's women or just women with an opinion. You know,
it's like yeah, it's like shame on you, you know,
And honestly, it just makes me louder. Like I say,
I can't I actually can't handle that, Like how do you?
How do you deal?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I'm the same way. I'm like, you want to say
no to me, Well let me take it to Twitter.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
That's why I did.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I was like because I wanted.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I was.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I was scared for like could you sue me? Like,
but I thought it was really important to use my
voice on a platform to be like this actually isn't fair, uh,
because I saw so much of that happening behind the
scenes with him with me, I really know he didn't
like me, and things have changed now. I think he's
learned some hard lessons. He's there and he's not there,
and last time he was there, I ran into him

(06:59):
and he congratulated me on everything and it's fine. It
was just like I it does. If somebody doesn't want
me to speak up, I will speak louder. And I
deal with it in many different ways because there are
times when I go, is it time to just bite
your tongue and stop getting yourself in trouble and creating

(07:20):
like an open door for hate from all these trolls
that don't believe in the things that you're doing and
don't align with you.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
And then other days I'm like, no, fuck that.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I'm always wanting to like be bold and stand up
for I believe in and have a voice, and not
just for me, for other women and for society. And
I don't agree with so many pigeonholes that women are
put in and that like, and I get in trouble
every time, Like I just posted a video of me
dancing and throwing the engagement ring at the end with

(07:49):
full intention. I actually respect Jason and like don't I
will never speak poorly of him. The ring was not
the one he gave me. It was a plastic piece
of plastic from Amazon, and it was supposed to be
a mic drop instead of a fuck you, and it
was supposed to be about the messaging behind like of
course pressures I've printed on it. I had to stop

(08:11):
reading the comments I sent you a.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
DM it's fine, No, it's fine, it's good, it's good.
I basically I barely scroll honestly, but I saw that
that's well, yeah, and it was just it got blown
out of proportion and it and in those moments, I'm
like my feelings, I'm like, oh my gosh, now I
feel like I've hurt somebody's feelings.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
That was not my intention. People are not taking this
the right way. And but but again, I'm like, I
could delete it, or I could go defend myself in
the comments, but I'm like, no, I meant that, And
it doesn't mean I don't believe in marriage, and it
doesn't mean it's just almost it's almost poking fun of myself.
But it's also empowering other women to be like, hey,
you can be whatever age and be on your third
marriage or whatever it is, that wherever you are in

(08:51):
life is okay.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Like screw what everybody else was telling you. I totally agree, Like, okay,
So I went through very public divorce as well, and
not saying as well because you weren't divorced, but anyway,
close enough. Point is I also went through something similar
and like anything that I would work, like any TikTok,
like you know those when you mouth the words and
like those stupid like videos. Everything. It was like as

(09:13):
if I only had one boyfriend or one you know X.
It's like you guys. Yeah, I have had more than
one x like every you know, it's just people like
to perceive, I guess, and to assume because they know
it's familiar. And then it's about you know. I just
love deleting, like all the negativity even about this podcast, Like,
I just love it. I love the block button and

(09:36):
I love to delete like it brings me so much
joy because these people are just you know, saying shit
to say shit when they haven't done the research. Oh
my gosh.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Not only have they not done their research, but it
I think it is part of like their entertainment. I
think sadly, people who are miserable, that's where like entertainment
and joy comes in for them because they don't have
to face anyone for real. They can say whatever they
want and not have to deal with the consequences. It
could just get deleted and that's about as far as

(10:08):
it'll go. So they feel like they can do that.
It's kind of an outlet for them. And it's just
it's so crazy to think that I actually don't use
the block and delete button. I'm like, oh God, just
let them go good for you, Let them go good
for you. I get there one day because I hope
I get there. I hope I get where you are
one day, because it's it really is. It's you know,

(10:29):
I'm I'm allowing it to happen kind of, and sometimes
I'm inviting it because I poke and I open the
door for it.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
I'm just like I'd rather spend my time, like reading
my new book than deleting negative comments.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yes, but you do you so for sure. I hear you.
I hear you, and I actually have trained my brain
not to scroll, so I very may scroll if anything.
It's like, I just want to hear the feedback on
this podcast, and people are just it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Like.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
This was so when I started Dancing with the Stars.
I started in two thousand and six. This was before
social media as messive boards, and they were just as
cruel some people, and you know, you take it or
leave it. But sometimes like when I'm pmsing or I'm
like freaking emotional because of the full moon and Taurus
and Scorpio. Yeah, I'm into astrology same then, and that's
my both my signs. By the way, I'm a rising

(11:16):
Scorpio and my son is Taurus. So it's crazy for me,
that's a lot. Yes, that's a lot. But like I'm
so triggered sometimes and I get just really sensitive and
like you, I'm like should I bite my tongue?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Am?

Speaker 1 (11:27):
I'm not even saying anything bad, like if anything, it
is what it is. We've talked about this, but like,
how did you when you when you actually started Dancing
on the Stars? How long prior to this premiere did
you meet with the executives? Like when did they interview you?
Was this like years before?

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Or mmm, no, I I don't even know if Like
I feel like nothing even happening with Dina so okay Dina. Yeah,
Dina was always fighting for me to be on that
show from the get go, Like she from day one
was like totally on my team, trying so hard to

(12:05):
get me on. And then of course when the greatest
seasons of all time for Bachelor came on, Chris Harrison
got to say, like, Kaitlyn, will you do Dancing with
the Stars? And I was freaking out, and Diana messaged
me she was like I wanted to be the one
to tell you because she's always.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Been rooting for me. Yeah, yeah, she love she loves you.
Did you did they ask you, like, so, how did
they pitch Dancing with the Stars to you?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
I actually didn't get pitched at all. I think they
knew I was so despy to just go on the
show and be on the show. They were like, Kaitlyn,
you're going and I was like, holy shit, like.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, I didn't even I didn't. It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I didn't bargain or negotiate. And I pride myself on
like being a good negotiator, and I might have for
my contract, but like nothing, I was like, I'll do
whatever you want me to do. Just put me in coach.
I didn't care.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Did they ask you what dance partner you wanted? Like
did you were you a fan of Dancing one Stars?
Like had you watch a huge fan? Huge fans?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
So Rob Mills, who's like the head of ABC, as
you know, so I have a pretty good relationship with him,
and so I messaged him and I was like, do
you think I could have val? And he was like, okay, Cale,
I'll see what I can do. And then I was like, actually,
never mind, do you think I could have? And I
did it like three times and then I was like wait,

(13:30):
I was supposed to be with Artam in twenty sixteen,
do you think I could have Artam and it could
be like a full circle moment. So when I walked
in the room and saw Artam, I freaking squealed at
the top of my lungs like a little dork.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Wait, who was the third one you asked for? I don't.
I don't remember val Artem, Max. No, Max wasn't on.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh I think I said, don't put me with Glove
because he no, I said don't. I didn't. It wasn't
a request. I said, don't put me with glove. He's
too hot, globe is pretty.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
It's out freddy all right, because at the time you
were yes, you were in a relationship. Okay, I get it,
I get it. I get it. I'm like, why wouldn't
you want to dry home? I would now if.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
They did an all stars season, sign me up a
dib right.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
I was going to ask you, like if it wasn't
if like, if you couldn't choose Artam, obviously, and then
they did like a let's do a season Bachelor's versus Bachelor,
which would suck because all your bachelors suck. Yeah, they
don't all suck. Sorry, excuse me, they just are not
as musical or rhythmical as the bache total, and that

(14:35):
is another interesting thing, I guess, But like all the
bachelors are so good. And my point is is that
who would you actually choose if, like, I know, you're
friends with Alan, Yeah, I would probably you and Glen
would be so hot to get. I would honestly probably
choose Alan because I have such a good friendship with him.
And yeah, there was this whole thing on my podcast

(14:55):
where I called him a do I know, Oh okay,
he's still Allan still won't talk to and I like, wait,
you know, he walked right past me on Dancing with
the Stars.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
He won't call me back. And I have like profusely
like apologized on my podcast and certain things because I was, like,
I truly just was like I always call Ellen a dick.
I always called Sasha a dick, like I call them
all dicks, and in the most loving way. And I
truly would want Allan as a partner if they ever
did All Stars because he is such a solid friend
to me. We are so close.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
So wait before we get further on this, rewind and
tell my listeners what happened.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
So I think that's I was talking to Charity, who's
on Dancing with the Stars right now, former bachelorette, and
she didn't know who she was getting yet, and I
was trying to guess on based off of her height,
who she would be paired with. And I was like, okay,
it could be because she's quite tiny. I was like,
it could be Sasha, or it could be Ardum.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I said, I.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Don't know about Alan. He's kind of tall. And I said,
and I started describing how each one of them, in
my opinion, were in the ballroom and I said, you know,
Alan's like he'll really push you, but he's kind of
a dick. And I said, actually, Artim will really push you.
And I said, actually, they're all kind of dicks. And
then it got picked up in media that I called
Alan a dick. And of course, if you listen to

(16:15):
the podcast, everyone else.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Or it was insinuated that it was all the pros
you called us dicks. It's like, wait, what, I'm not
included in this.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
No, I really just meant like the three that I said,
but in the like right. And then I talked to
Sasha about it. He goes, we are all dicks, and
I was like, okay, and yeah and I and Lovable Dicks.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I love them all.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Alan is again he was one of my closest friends
out of the whole show.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
And so I'm like, really, just pick up the phone, Allan. Wait,
so he's actually mad.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I mean he will not respond to me or talk
to me. Yeah, it's sad.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I mean he did an interview too. I saw it
on US Weekly or something because I was stalking you
as well over the weekend, but even more stalking than
I've been stocking. So it's called research. Everythink about you. Yeah,
it's called research, but I like to say stocking because
it was like stocky. But it was interesting because I
was like, I find that to be a compliment. And
I'm like, okay, but is it a compliment Alan, because

(17:12):
you're clearly still upset.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, I'm like, please, let's talk through. I even said,
I'm like, do you want to come on my podcast
and talk about it? Or and then before and then
after that, I was like, can I just have a hug?
Like I feel like you need a hug too, And
then I messaged him something else and then he walked
right by me at Dancing with the Stars and made
sure he saw that I was like.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Okay, he's really mad at me. Actually we have Alan
in the waiting room perfect, Like that would have been
so good.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
That would have been really good. I would have been
really happy.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
That's amazing. Okay, So when you finally so, when you
finally got your chance to do the show and then
you walk in, you see artam But prior, did you
feel a little pressure because of Melissa Ryecroft, who I
love him, Melissa for listening, She's amazing, and Hannah and
you know, like you've got two girls who basically won
because Melissa won All Stars though she didn't win her season.

(18:03):
But you know what I mean, lot pressure? Yes I did.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I felt a little pressure, but I also let that
take the pressure off because I was like, well, there's
no way they're gonna have two bachelorettes win back to back.
So like, I'm gonna want it really bad and I'm
going to fight for it really bad. But at the
end of the day, they probably won't let two bachelorettes
win back to back. And again I didn't know if
the voting actually counted, which.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
I now know it does. Show was rigged, Yeah, I
thought it was rigged.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I'm like, well, they won't make two bachelorettes win back
to back, so I kind of took that pressure off
with that information.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Do you think the show's rigged.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I don't think it is, but I and this is
all just like a guess. My guess is that it's not.
My conspiracy theory is it's not rigged. But if they
really wanted to at the end of the day make
sure somebody either stayed or went home, they could have
the power to do that. But it's actually genius because
the more votes they get, you know, these people are

(18:58):
tuning in to watch them, so the further that you
want them to go, it's all ratings. So I think
I think it's rigged, but I do think they at
the end of the day could have the power.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
It's so interesting you say that, because, like always, I
get so obsessed like who's going first this week, who's
going in middle, who's going last? And when you go last,
you know you're in a good spot just say yeah,
well yes, and first and middle too, because you want to,
you know, keep the audience from obviously not tuning out,
so they do do that. I just said, I remember,

(19:27):
do do I remember Ardam saying that to me? Where
He's like, you want to go first, middle, or last,
because if you go first, it means they're excited about
you to start the show, and it'll engage the audience
and keep them there. And then when they might be like, oy,
I'm getting bored. You bam, you're in the middle, and
then at the end you close the show. It's the
best dance of the night. And so I was if
I was like ever not beginning, middle and end, I'm like, oh,
going home. You're like, I'm just six, I'm six. Couple

(19:50):
that was six. So fun fact about dam Ardam used
to so when we were teenagers and he first moved
to America, he was living at my parents in my parents'
poolhouse stop in the Bay Area. No, So me and
Ardam have known each other since we were like twelve.
Oh cute, and it's so cool to like see Ardam
blossom into this like man he is because like you know,

(20:13):
Ardam doesn't he doesn't. He didn't talk a lot back then,
nor I wouldn't ever describe Artem as someone who talks
a lot. But he's always been so kind and sweet
and he's a great human being. And I just love how,
you know, he's really built himself into someone who has
a career, a family, and like he's just you know,
his own person, and I'm just so proud of him.

(20:33):
How is your relationship with Ardam?

Speaker 2 (20:36):
So it was a tough relationship because I feel all
the same way, the same ways that you say, like
I outside of the ballroom, of course you're going to
be different inside the ballroom. He I still to this
day was I don't think I would have won with
any other partner because of how much he believed in
me and pushed me. And outside of the ballroom, I
was like, he is an angel. Like everybody speaks so

(20:58):
highly of him. He's so kind, he is like to
himself and shy and like has gone through a lot,
and I just like I really adore him as a
human being. What sucks is well, not sucks. It's understandable.
But they had just had a baby and it was
COVID and they were having to like be apart from

(21:19):
each other, and he wasn't able to like show up
as a dad and the way he totally want you
because he's an incredible dad and so obsessed with Matteo
and Nicki, and he was always gone and they had
to quarantine and they weren't living in the same place
and they were also filming or no, it was airing
that BELLA show was airing, and I think, I don't

(21:39):
want to speak. I don't know this for facts that
don't quote me on this. No, no, I'm not sure
if Nicki had postpartum, but I can't imagine if she did,
like how hard that would be. So I think it
was a really tough year for him. So I look
back at it with like a lot of compassion for
him because in the moment, I was like, it was
such an exciting thing for me and it was like

(22:01):
one of the happiest I'd ever been, but it felt
like he was going through such a hard time. And
now I look back at it just being like I
just want to give him a hug.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
He got through I totally. And by the way, like
I said, like with the artem, you know, I wouldn't
say he's like my best friend, like because you know,
you know the communication since we were little kids, you know,
and it was like he and this is why I
respect him so much, is because he is someone who's
private and he keeps to himself quite a lot, Like
you'll never hear Artam, he'll never be like the one
who's like, let's bottles and bitches. Yeah, you know, he's

(22:32):
not that person. No, no, And he's also very like
he's a great listener. But he also when he speaks,
everyone's shut up because you're like, oh my god, dam
speaking right, because like what he says is valuable. I
and I do remember this. I think, of course, you know,
it's not easy, and I always try and put myself.
I was married at the time as well, and I

(22:53):
was dancing with AJ and it wasn't easy. Yeah, you know.
Still like even though my ex like he knows, like
he knew it, you know, he knew the routine of
what the show is, it's still it's like I think
COVID really put people in a different mindset, especially if
you weren't working and my gosh on as much as
your other half was or whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, and all of us were so collectively like scared
deep down and not knowing what the world, the state
of the world was, And I think a lot of
us when we feel fear, it can come out in
so many other emotions otherwise, other than us just saying hey,
I'm scared, and nobody says that.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
No, because there were we were all vulnerable already, and
then to say that you're scared on top of it,
like we know you're scared. No, yeah, no, but like
it was, it was challenging and I can only imagine.
And then I put myself in the shoes of the
other person who's not doing the show, like, would you
in your next relationship if let's, I don't know whatever,
but would you would you be okay if that person

(23:49):
got asked, dude, dancing with the Stars, like would it
be hard for you? You think I.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Would love it? Really yes, because I've been through it.
If I hadn't, I think it would be impossible. Yeah,
Jason was so that sexy, is what you're saying. I
would be like, I'm friends with everybody, They're like family
to be at this point, I'd be able to help.
I feel like I would be a part of the family.
I'd feel included in things, and I would understand the

(24:13):
grueling hours and how hard it is. And I always
give props to Jason for when I was doing Dancing
with the Stars, so supportive and it was it was
like a really fun time for us.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, oh good good. I was wondering because you guys
have moved, right, did you move to LA for this
show or yeah, we fully moved and the dogs I
remember I met your dogs yet and Dowgies were there.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, oh my god, bless the dog.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
That's awesome that he was supportive because it when and
I've had it both ways where my other you know,
whoever I'm dating or married to, isn't supportive. It's really
tough to like put a smile on your face and
walk into the studio and just like pretend nothing's happening,
because it is very much. I can't imaginated, you know,
with like whatever, if you're not living in a happy home,
you're not going to succeed. I don't think in your

(24:57):
career just you know, it just is a domino effect.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
I think, Yeah, it's I can't imagine being in a
tough place in a relationship and doing that show, like
because it's I mean, you get so close to your
partner and there's some like sexy dances and you have
this like relationship with them where you're kind of at
your best, like you're not you're always like being like
fun and flirty and like smell you know, you're just yeah,

(25:21):
and you smell God, and I'm just like okay, and
I actually probably didn't act at all. But then you
go home to your partner and you're probably so stressed
and you're able to take that out on them because
that's just what partners do sometimes, and so they kind
of get the best of you. The partner gets the worst,
and then they're like, oh, you get to just go
dance with this person and get paid, and like, you know,
it's I get how it would be really hard and

(25:43):
the chemistry and all the things that go along.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
With is it that sexy dancing with the start? It's
like for me, it is just not like I would
assume it's kind of like love scenes for actors, right,
Like you also see all the different sides. Like for me,
I am, I am not. I wouldn't say that, I'm
words of affirmation is my love language. As far as
teaching goes, like, I'm pretty hardcore. I have been labeled

(26:06):
as a task master, and that's a nice way of
basically saying I am just don't like, if you don't
deserve an affirmation, I ain't given you one, Okay, Like
that's just the way it is.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
But then when you do. It's like the.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Media, right, did you feel like with what was art
teaching style like? Because I feel like he's silent but deadly.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
That's exactly what he is. He Artem's really good at, uh,
creating a visual I'm a really visual person, and so
he was able to know how I learn best and
work best and create something for me that I could like.
He had all these visions of like picture it like this,
and he was able to be really patient with me.

(26:46):
And also I don't know if his love language or
speaking language or core like teacher language was words of affirmation,
it was patience.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Is that one? No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
There is so many they're adding love languages. I do
think his way of being a good coach with me
was believing in me more than I believed in myself,
and and creating visuals that made sense for me.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
He really learned.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Each time I learned and did something well, he goes, Okay,
what did I do that just helped her there? And
then he'd continue to do that. He's a great teacher.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's that's awesome because I also do like recaps of
the live show, and I always say that we have
to adapt to our student, not the other way around, right,
like if our the language isn't similar, like it changes
for me for every single partner at all, twenty six
of them that I've had, it's like it just changes.
And that's when you're a good teacher, you know, I think,

(27:37):
and I think it's a diff two different things. It's
like you're a great performer, but it's not doesn't mean
you're gonna be a great teacher, and vice versa. It's
an art in itself, and I think that's why Ardam
is so successful because he does adapt and he tries
to speak the language of the partner he's dancing with
during the season. Speaking of Ardam, how is how was

(28:00):
your relationship with Carrie? It because I know Ardam had
had a previous romantic relationship with her. Do you feel like, yes,
that had anything to do with like her being I
guess hard on you.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
I don't think so. I think at the end of
the day, Dancing with the Stars is a TV show,
so I think, you know, when somebody's I think I
was consistently pretty good in the show. I wasn't like
WHOA going like from A two to ten just well,

(28:33):
but I was consistent, like I wasn't I didn't start
off really shitty and end up being really good. Like
I just kind of stayed good. And I think for
the viewers to want to like stay rooting for somebody,
you've got to kind of kick him down and bring
him back up, and it's got to be a storyline
and a show. And I think Carrie Anne has that
ability to be able to be kind of the Simon

(28:56):
Cowell of the group where she can say some hard
feedback and then the next week when you you know,
she gives you the words of affirmation, it's like, oh
my gosh, and it means so much more. So I
think that's kind of you know, at the end of
the day, it's a TV show. It needed a storyline.
I was being consistent and they needed to knock me
down a little bit to bring me back up.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
And I was dying though you were really upset right
at the time.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I was like I was at the time, I was
trying to find any reason. I was like, Okay, it
must be because she dated artems so she still has
feelings for him and she's just mad. Or maybe she
hates me. Maybe I was her least favorite bachelorette. Maybe
she actually thinks I suck like I was going through
because you know, at those times you are, I'm so
fragile during that show and I just need like validation

(29:44):
so badly, and so my mind was racing. I thought
she hated me. Yeah, it's all the benefit of hindsight.
You know.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's interesting because, like I don't think people understand how
intense sometimes this show is. And we do invest all
of our time. I mean it's a choice. Obviously, we
choose to consume our lives, but that's the only way
to succeed, you know, and when you don't feel like
I just had Lacey Schwimmer on and she said a
comment about how when she'd danced with Chas Bono, you know,

(30:12):
there was a couple of comments out there that were
floating around that weren't something that she could take back.
They weren't constructive. And I find that even when I
now watch the show as a fan, it's like, okay,
but what what can I do? And I wish the
judges would actually give pros the note as well, because
or a note, because we are fifty percent of this,

(30:34):
you know, if not more so, if we're not able,
like obviously you are a product of what we're teaching. Regardless,
if you get help, it doesn't matter. Like the celebrity
trusts us regardless, and so if something isn't working, like
it would be great to get a note. And I
feel like that's what I'm kind of doing in the
recap is like you know, because it were kind of

(30:55):
pushed to the side or the judges are a little
bit too scared to like say any but it's like, no,
it needs to be said. That's trure. Like I guess
was there a way that you and ardam like after
during this time? Obviously he felt defeated as well. Was
there any like talks backstage? Did Carry Anne come up?
I remember I think this was you Carry Anne. Yeah,

(31:16):
before the finale, you guys had a little pep talk
or something. Oh my gosh, was it, like did Carrian
give you some words of like encouragement backstage?

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I don't know if it was backstage, Like I remember
we got her as our judge to come in and
like help us with the redemption with the Redemption dance,
and then I think, yeah, I think we had a
little moment like on the stage before the cameras were
rolling of like a group hug and but I's so
it's such a blur.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
I know, right, it is. No, I'm sure, it's like
it was went by so fast. But then also there
was like I'm sure moments where you're like, wait, what happened?
The same thing with my time for seventeen years. I'm like,
what when did you know that you were going to

(32:05):
win the show? Or you never knew?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
No? I know, I honestly when I finally finished the
Diamonds are Girl's Best Friend and it was the last
dance ever, and I just threw my hand up in
the air and I looked up and I said, I
think I did it. I think I did it. But
I still didn't know because when I was standing there
and Tyra Banks did the longest pause in the history
of TV pauses, I was like still again, thinking like

(32:31):
they're not going to pick another bachelorette to win this,
like NIVA's going to win. So I was so I
was still shocked.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
When they said my name you, I think what wait?
Were we in your because I remember you were on
the swing. I was like, you better kill it, bitch. Yes,
you were amazing you.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
You hyped me up so much because you guys got
to be backup dancers in that one, and I was
up on the swing and you were, Yeah, you were
calling me a little slut, and I was getting all hyped.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Ah, that's amazing. I have no one's defended by that,
but like that's myn't my words, that is my love language.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, No, I felt so hyped. I was like, I
am a little slut. It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
You were so you were so hot, and I wanted
you to believe it, like I really want it, because
like once you believe it, you know you can freak
and go out there and just you were, did you
have like an outer body experience? Because I feel like
you did, Like I feel like you were so tired.
You were injured, right, so injured? Were you injured?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
You're rib on my rib? I had tendon itis. I
had something tweaked in my back.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
It was awful. Yeah, where did you find the strength?
And how intense is this show? Both physically and mentally?

Speaker 2 (33:39):
I I sometimes I say it was harder than Bachelorette
because with a Bachelorette, I was like kind of just
like I didn't know what to expect every hour, but
I knew I just had to, like surrender to just
like like pushing myself through every day and just finding
the person that I like really wanted to love. Where
this was like, I think I was so motive because

(34:00):
my whole life I wanted to be a dancer and
I had to quit that dream because I wasn't good enough.
So this was almost like proving to myself that I
could do it. It was I always compare it to
like as a Canadian, I always compare it to a
hockey player getting, you know, right before he gets called
up to NHL, the Big Leagues, whatever, and they go,

(34:21):
you know, we're gonna have to sign you in like
Russia because you can't make it here as a hockey player.
And then at the age of like thirty five, he
gets to come back to America and play for the
NHL and his team wins the Stanley Cup. So it
was like I wanted that for myself to be like,
you are a dancer, you can do this. This is

(34:41):
your second chance. And I put way more pressure on
myself than I ever did as the bachelorette, which is crazy.
And then emotionally I didn't realize that it was going
to be like four or five six hours of like
what felt like torture because physically I'm in so much pain.
I am like thinking I'm going to have this fun
friendship with somebody where they're actually just like drilling you

(35:02):
and drilling you down and making you do it again
and making you feel like that wasn't good enough. And
it was just like a roller coaster and I'll never forget.
I would just go home every single night. I would
get in a shower and I would just lay in
the fetal position and cry and pray and it was
just like okay, and then just gotta do it again,
like just get up in the morning and do it again.

(35:22):
And it was just so challenging. But I am I
am a very competitive, very strong willed person and if
I put my mind to something like I will do
it one hundred and ten percent. And I think that's
something I learned about myself in that process is I
kind of think of myself as lazy sometimes or I'm like,
am I really go get her? But and if I
want something, I am fully a go getter.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I'm the same way. I mean, I'm an addict. So
maybe I don't know if that has anything to do
with my attic personality. I'm sure, I am. It's either
all or nothing. There's no gray. It's only black and white.
And that's just the way it is. But like, yeah,
I get shit done. Like if I am like this
is it, like if this is what I want to
have tunnel vision and for life? You know, And I no,
I appreciate that that's not late. I don't think you're lazy.
I don't really know. I don't think you are. There's

(36:06):
no way you can't be lazy and.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Win Dancing with the Stars when I'm depressed and like
hormonal and PMS and I'm definitely lazy. But I allow
myself to be lazy. And I'm like, that's okay otherwise.
And if it's if it's something that.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Is lazy, you mean, like you just want to take
a day off and like eat popcorn and watch the Notebook.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah that is, but like for like a week straight,
not a day.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, I do think it's okay. I do think it's
okay because otherwise it's just as long as I want
to do something, and I'll do it with my whole heart.
If I don't want to, that's where I kind of
get lazy.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
How did you do the tour because you went from
winning and then you went straight on tour. Did you
do every single city?

Speaker 2 (36:48):
No? I think I did sixty two out of sixty
seven shows.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Okay, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
I know it was crazy because I also was running
my hair accessory line, my wine company, and doing a
podcast twice a week while living on a bus. It
was so much fun and I loved every second of it,
and I would do it again.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
We're going to do a rapid fire just about your
tour experience in a second, but before we get there,
since you have an intimate relationship with the dancers, I
kind of wish I was on tour Dia fomo. It
was so fun. I had Trista Setter on. She was
with Mike, my first guest, I think, and we talk
about the Dancing with the Stars cursed. You know what
that is? I don't know. So the Dancing with the
Stars curse, I'm surprised you don't know what it is.

(37:30):
I guess it started with like when the bachelors would
come on Dancing with the Stars and then they wouldn't
make it like their relationship. I guess outside of the show.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yes, I know the curse.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
The only people that made it, I guess. I mean
I Sean and Catherine. Yeah, Sean and Katheryne. Now you know,
I had Brooke on Brooke Burke, who was a previous
host of Dancing with the Stars and also danced with
Derek Huff and won him his very first mirror ball.
Oh I didn't know, trophy out of six or something, yeah,
that he has. And she said something about like we
were just messing around, like she's a good friend and

(38:01):
we were just talking. We're doing rapid fire and she
I was like, she's randomly said I think I would
have had a love affair with like Derek Huff back
in my season, and which is very I can I
totally get it because like, first of all, like you said,
you are intimate, Yeah, I mean for me, I mean
I've had twenty six parters. Did I hook up with

(38:24):
all of them?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
No?

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Did you hook up with any? But like maybe, so, like,
why do you think there is such a thing as
the dwtscores? I believe that if your relationship can't make
it through this, it's probably because you had problems prior
to the show. But that's just me.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
I mean, I think it's the show, The Bachelor and
The Bachelor atte It's not the easiest foundation to start
on for a relationship because a relationship is obviously supposed
to be built on trust and loyalty and respect. And
you're out there just going to fantasy suites and falling
in love with other people and then being shot out,

(39:01):
tuned up and spat out into the real world, and
then you go and dance with the stars, and all
of a sudden, you're like, are you going to fall
in love with your partner too? Because you just fell
in love with my friend? Like, I think the foundation
is so so shitty to you know, just be thrown
into another whirlwind of television with good looking people doing

(39:21):
sexy dances and having chemistry. It's just that would be
next to impossible, right.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
And how about Charity, I feel like Charity. I don't
know Charity, right, I'm just watching them. But I ran
into Artem and Nikki actually at the airport a few
weeks ago, and you know, it seems like Ardam, if anyone,
I guess Ardam would be the person right to kind
of like dance with kind of her because he's so professional.
Trista Setter said she felt really scared for Charity. This

(39:47):
was before she knew she was dancing with Ardam and
scared for anyone. Like as far as the Bachelor Bachelorette
franchise goes, especially if you come out of there engaged
to do dancing, do you feel the same way like
with with Charity? Would you? And by the way, how
do you guys all know each other? Is it in
your contract that you guys have to be friends.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Or well, we have a bachelorette's group chat where we
just add each person into it, and then I tend
to like a really, yeah, there's Oh, I just talked
to them today, and I talked to Tristan today too,
But but I tend to interview the leads for my podcast,
and so then we just instantly become friends because we
have this honest conversation and it's also this weird world

(40:27):
where there's only a handful of us that have been
through the same experience, so it's a bond. And so
I'm not worried about Charity and Donte at all, because,
first of all, they dunton is. I don't think he
has a jealous bone in his body, and he had
never even watched the show before. And I still don't
know if he had any idea what was going on.
And they are like so solid and Artam is so respectful,

(40:50):
and I see Dotten at every show. He's so supportive,
and I just I don't know. I feel like I
don't see tension at all between them. I was their
last Tuesday. I see when the cameras are not I've
talked to them. They are so rock solid, it's really cute.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
What advice do you have for Charity to take it
all the way and win that mirror ball?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Honestly, just I from my experience, I think really listening
to the judges feedback, because as when you show up
that next week, if you prove to them that you
listened and that's what you worked on, I feel like
your scores go up, and then the audience wants to
root for you because you've really improved and you know
you've seen the judges give you that feedback. And then
I think one thing I wish I would have done,

(41:34):
even though I still won, I wish I would have
surrendered a little bit more to the dances. I think
I tried too hard to be perfect and like hit
the steps too perfectly instead of just like letting my
personality out a bit more so, I would say she's
doing a pretty good job at that. And what is
it week three or four?

Speaker 1 (41:52):
I'd like, no, it's like she's heading I mean her.
This is what I think as well, Like I think
that she has to surrender and not trying to be perfect. Yeah,
I think there's no such thing anyway, But I think
the beauty of this show is in the imperfection. And
it's like and then, like you said, people want to
root for somebody who's not perfect, right, like you've got
to start somewhere. And you know, at first, to me,

(42:14):
Charity was a little bit like off putting, only because
of her facial expressions to the camera, and it's like no, no, no, no,
you know, this is between two people and we're supposed
to be watching as an audience member in like the movie,
like a movie, right, Like yeah, But it was now
this last week when she did most memorable, I was like,
oh my god, yes, honestly, she needs to put this

(42:36):
emotion because it's emotional, Like this whole thing's emotional, and
it's got to be raw and authentic or else, you know,
for me, at least, I can just see it right away.
When you're not comfortable, even if you're smiling. Totally.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I had the hardest time of facial expressions because I
felt like I was like trying too hard. And I
think that's the thing. You got to just like let
yourself feel. And I think Charity did that this last dance.
She really allowed herself because it was a painful memory
for her, and she like she almost was able to
put her body back in that time and you could
see the emotion, and I love when people are able

(43:08):
to do that.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I got chilled all over my body. How was so?
I obviously wasn't invited to lens tribute, but how was that?
Why were you not invited?

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Why were you not invited to Len's tribute?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
No idea? Actually I don't know. I mean, I can
tell you what conspiracy theory, but like, uh wait, it
is what it is in my head.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I thought you chose to not be there because I
was like, oh, Cheryl would be here. Oh okay, Well,
I would like to know why what do you think?

Speaker 1 (43:36):
I mean, it's probably related to do with this podcast,
I would assume because of the people who are assuming
that this podcast is about trash talking dancing when it's
not obviously I'm just literally talking about her experience. But
it's done, it's passed. But I want to know from
you because I haven't talked to anyone that was in
the ballroom, Like, how was the vibe? Was it crazy?
Like was it just like emotional? It was so emotional.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
So I obviously knew len F from not my season,
but from watching the show because on the season that
I was on, he wasn't there because of COVID, so
and so I didn't know him as well as other people.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
And I was sobbing.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Because first of all, I loved him as a judge,
and Ardam talked so highly about him all the time
when we were dancing, because Ardam always likes to do
classic dancing, like he likes the classic music he does.
He hated every week and I'd be like Jessin Bieber, yes,
and He'd be like, oh my god, I hate it.
You're the same, yeah. And so I always heard he

(44:36):
was so so beloved over there and such a classic
man and always seemed like fun on Instagram when Derek
would post stuff or Carrie Anne and and so just
knowing that he had said he didn't really tell anybody
he was sick, and then knowing he just said, this
is going to be my last season, and then seeing
the tribute dance, which was like the most classically beautiful

(44:58):
thing I've ever witnessed in real life, and when they
all just like did like you know, they put their
hand out and did like a tribute and they all
just kind of said and then everyone started crying and
tears were flowing down their faces, and the silence in
that room was just like powerful. I just got full
body chills there too, because it was chill. It was powerful,

(45:21):
and you really knew that everybody just respected and honored
him to a level that I could never understand, like
he is a was a legend.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah, oh my god, Yeah yeah I was. I was
a mess over here, like yeah, literally like in this
position looking at my TV and just oddly crying. But yeah, no,
mad respect, I mean for him and just like this
is the type of stuff. Like looking at that performance,
it's like, that's what we need to do again. Yeah,
I'm not no longer involved, but like that's it's just

(45:51):
so classic. And I think this is what sets the
show apart from any other dance show is is the
ballroom aspect of it and he kept that so alive
season after season, which I appreciate and respect. Let's move

(46:12):
on to fan questions. Okay again, there's so many freaking
fans of yours. First of all, there were a couple
of crazy Oh wait, before we get there, how hot
is Matt Rife in person?

Speaker 2 (46:21):
It's stupid, It's like frustrating.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
I mean, I have the biggest I mean, he's like
my son. Because I'm thirty.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Nine, doesn't matter. He's still a beautiful man. Like he
sat right here and I just was like.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
You know, I watched it.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Oh yeah, he's he's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
I mean he I mean, he must have hit on you.
Did he hit on you? Really?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Because at the time Jason was here.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Oh never mind, Yeah, but it said on YouTube four
months ago. Wait whatever, I don't know, maybe he was.
We released it.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Later, the episode later because we were holding onto it.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
But yeah, oh my god, it's so hot.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
And then I was like, then I became single and
I was like, oh, Rife And now he's like dating
the most beautiful, like twenty five year old model actress,
perfect human.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
That that makes sense, it adds up. But still, you
guys had some great chemistry just I think I'm too
funny for him. I think you are. Actually, he was
actually quite shocked. I saw his body language. I'm very
good at reading people's body language, and he was a
little intimidated at times. Okay, let's do a few fan
questions and then we'll do rabid fire and then we'll

(47:25):
be done. Okay, Okay. At Lauren vic Crilly, Okay, that's
been amazing personal feelings on Tyra Okay.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
So Tyra actually behind the scenes was so lovely to me,
to everyone. She would personally call us on like certain
weeks and be checking in and seeing how we're feeling,
and like, she was so nice. I didn't think she
was the best fit for the host, but she was
so lovely that I like, I only saw people hating

(47:54):
on her, and it broke my heart because I'm like, Okay,
she's not a bad person, she's just like, maybe not
the best for the job.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
It's so, I mean, that's very important what you said,
because it's so different like those I mean, I could
talk about that. That could be an episode in himself. But
oh yeah, Okay. At Addie m West, who do you
think will win this season of dancing? And what was
your favorite dance to perform.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
The who I think will win? I you know, it's
so crazy, is if Harry Jousey wins, I'm gonna I'm
gonna say they need to change third voting system. Not
because I don't think, like, he's awesome and he's so
sweet and cute and I love watching him and Riley
and they're amazing, but I'm like, the guy just stands
her and flips her and he doesn't move, and if
he does move, it's awkward. But they're gonna get so

(48:36):
many votes, so I think they're going to be in
the final four. But I think either Ariana or Charity
I agree. My favorite dance was the Argentine Tango. That
was the dance. I was always looking forward to do
an Argentine Tango from the get go, and I was
so scared that was going to be a dance I
didn't get to do, but I did, and it was
like a violin version of Britney's Fears Toxic but and.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
It was the It was so good. That chandelier freaking
like cylinder thing that was just amazing.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
And Ardam got nominated for an Emmy from that dance.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
It was so cool. He did yeah, go Ardam, go
at Misty Rose six four seven. Would you do the
Bachelor or Bachelorette again?

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Hell to the no, No, no, no, I don't even know.
I mean, unless they unless they were like, hey.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
We're going to pay you a bajillion dollars.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
If they paid me millions and millions, I would do it.
But then I don't know if i'd be doing it
for the quote unquote right reasons. But I think I've
just you know, from being a contestant to lead to
a host. I've seen too much behind the curtains, and
I would just be so paranoid and I would be scared,
and I feel like I wouldn't be able to just
like be me right.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
No, I hear you, I hear you at always dot
l YZ. This is so random. Were Caitlin and Ardam
purposely on separate tour buses? Because this is just a
segue to get into this rapid fire. Did you guys
even have separate tour buses?

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah, we had two different tour buses. I don't know
the rhyme to the reason of who goes on what
tour bus, so I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
He wasn't on a high note at Jessica Puccino. What's
something you'll never forget from your time on Dancing with
the Stars.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
I guess something I'll never forget is clearly winning the
Mirror Ball. That's like the most out of body experience
I've ever had. It's like I've watched that show for
so long, and that was I was like, I remember
getting approved to go on The Bachelor, and I went,
if I somehow go on this show and either go
on Ellen DeGeneres or Dancing with the Stars, that'll be

(50:34):
like that a dream come true. So winning the Mirror
Ball definitely, And I think just like the amount of
pride I felt in myself and my resilience, and like
what I fought through and battled through to just like
keep going.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
It was really cool. What would you say you learn
most about you during your time on the show.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
I'm so strong. I really didn't know how mentally and
physically strong I was. Like I even coming out of Bachelor,
I was like, holy shit, I can do anything after that,
but I wasn't in a good place like mentally I was.
People had to come check on me after the Bachelor,
like I was not mentally strong after that. We're Dancing
with the Stars. I was like, I felt like a badass.

(51:14):
I was proud of myself. I was like physically and
mentally like, oh, I could do anything. So it was yeah, yeah, lively. Okay,
rapid fire. I don't think you're ready for this. Oh God,
hold on to your seatbelts plural. Okay, So we're gonna
do rapid Fire the Dancing with the Stars Tour edition.
You can only name the pro dancers that participated with
you on tour. Let me remind you. They were Brandon Armstrong,

(51:35):
Alan Bernstein, Sasha Farber, Daniela Karakash, Pasha Pashka globshav Shenko,
Emma Slater, and Brit Stewart. Am I missing somebody?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Coco? Oh shit, okay, google God, Coco, Coco.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
And then there was like the substitutes, but you probably
don't want to.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Count, and it was Coco even a pro. Then no, okay,
so that makes sense?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Who smelled the best?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Oh, honestly, who smelled the best?

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Who smelled the best?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
One?

Speaker 1 (52:07):
I already know the answer. I mean, he always smells
the best. Gleb yep ding ding ding. I already have
answers for you. Well, correct?

Speaker 2 (52:15):
I was thinking, but I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
No, he smells like a old spice. I freaking love it.
I love it all. Yeah, who took off their shirt
the most gleb? Who smelled the worst?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Nobody really smelled bad because Alan sweats so much. Like
it's it's like I always joked when I was hosting,
I'd be like everybody in the front, like you're in
the splash zone.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
But he didn't smell bad. I probably smelled the worst.
I'm literally the same. I sweat so much.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
I do too, But I think I smelled the worst.
I don't know what it was. No, you don't, I
don't know. I think I did. On tour, who snored
the loudness on the bus? I want to say Brandon I,
for some reason remember snoring coming out of his bunk.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Who let out the most gas on the bus? Wait,
so there was I thought there was only one bus
for some reason. So there was two different buses. So
back in my day. During the tour, each celebrity got
their own bus, own like own bus, and then yeah,
and then they would bring their family on or their friends,
and then they'd pick the occasional dancer like Joey Fatone
had his own bus. Joey Lawrence had his own bus,

(53:27):
Lisa Renna had her own bus, dri Laschet had his
own bus. They Newton had his own bus. Like and
those these were like the souped up like the buses
that you're on, but for one celebrity and then there
was only like six dancers on each. It was only
two bunks, right, so it wasn't like the coffin ones.
And they would never ever sleep on the bus. They
would put us up and no, nothing less than a

(53:49):
five star hotel. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
We spent a lot of nights on the bus, a lot,
and I got the back room. So they turned like
the back lounge area into a bedroom, so I had
like a double bed and still I hated it. I
would rather a bunk because I was on the back
wheels and I was physically bouncing off of the bed.
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
That's why I haven't done another tour since then.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Yeah, honestly, the worst gas was probably me too. I'm gross.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
But at least you had that back room to yourself. Yeah, exactly.
Who was the loudest in general on the bus? Alan
who kept to themselves? The most gleb interesting.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I know, I think he was in a phase with
his relationship where he's like, I'm not getting myself in
any trouble. I'm gonna go to bed early, I'm not
gonna drink. I'm in like a health and wellness zone.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Oh my god. Yes, he kept to himself so much. Ah,
I know, but he still spelled the best and still
had a shirt off while he was doing it. Okay, Yeah,
Who became one of your closest friends Emma and Britt
and co Coo. I love that you guys are like
Charlie's angels.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah, it really was. We did everything together.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
It was amazing. Who started drama the most Alan? Who
was the funniest uh?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Sasha?

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Who was the most boring? Artam?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah? Who was the prankster Sasha? Who was the biggest bully?

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Honestly, probably Sasha because he was pranking everybody and always
trying to push their buttons stop.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Who would you have liked to have gotten to know better? Ardam?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
No kidding, No, I was actually going to say, Artam,
I really did want you because again on our season,
I was like, I feel like we missed out on
Like everybody gets these incredible friendships from their partner and
they talk forever and they hang out after they go
for dinners. And I didn't feel like I got that,
but I thought I was going to have that and
so I was hoping to have that on the tour,
but either Artam or.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Daniella.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
I got really close to you, actually, but she was
not on my bus. I wish, I wish I could
have been on the bus with her.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Got it? I love her. Who drank the most?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Me? Hands down?

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Who was the rowdiest on the tour was me? Who
was the first to go to bed gleb. Who was
the most emotional, you know what?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Emma? But it was because she was going I feel
like her and Sasha were going through a lot.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
So yeah, yeah, Emma is so vulnerable and amazing, So yes,
exact makes sense. Who did you trust the most? Brett?
Who was the ring leader? Like, who was the lead
of the male pros?

Speaker 2 (56:23):
I would say, honestly, Brandon, really yeah, because I feel
like he him and Britt were like, I don't know,
what what do you call them when they oh, like
the dance captains, dance captains? Yeah, they were the dance captains.
So I feel like Brandon kept everybody in line.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Interesting and same with like I wasn't asking about the
female pros and you say Britt, Yeah, who gossiped the most?
M go on? There was a lot of gossip on
that door?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Well, I don't know, because it felt like there was
a lot of gossip going on, but like everybody he
was in on it, Like it didn't feel like it
felt like we all gossipped on tour.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
It's like the worst, right, Like it's like it's you
can't freaking have it. You can't keep a secret. Out
of the pro girls, who was the biggest diva? Diva
could be a good thing?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Biggest diva? I would say, I don't know, Britt, only
because she had the most injuries so she needed the most.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
How about out of the mail pros, who was the
biggest player?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
It's always Globe. Yeah, and though he slept, he smelled good,
he slept early, and yeah he had a shirt off
and he's the biggest player. Yeah. Okay, who did you
spend the most time with? That'll be the last one.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
I spent the most time with.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I would say.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Britt, Okay, yeah, we she was she was the one
that would stand up and drink wine with me. I
was always like, I'm such a night owl. I'm such
a night owl, and I love like I come alive
and I'm creative at night and I just love being
like up at night. And she was the same way.
So we would just sit up and talk all the time.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Oh my god, that's I knew. I knew it. Like
we are sisters, Siri, I'm the same way like my
When I really get creative, it's around like one thirty
two in the morning. Yeah, and then I'm like feeling
it because everyone else sleeping, there's silence, my little frendchies
and bothering me. Like I'm just like, oh, I'm getting
real career, Like I'm I took up baking, wow, and
I'm really good. So yeah, I just create some cinnamon buns. Yum.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Now I wish you lift closer.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
I'm going to send you some. I'm going to send
you some for Christmas. Okay, where can people find you?
Tell us about who you're having on your podcast. I
guess because I'm a huge fan of of the Vine.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Oh, it's so fun. So my podcast Off the Vine
is on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and we have so many
different people on for anyone from like Bachelor to reality
stars to like thought leaders. I have a really cool
episode coming up with a therapist and a PCOS doctor.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Wait, what's that.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Polycystic ovarian syndrome. It's something that like literally seventy percent
of women struggle from, and it's about just so many things.
My wine labels, Spade and Sparrows, and then also my
Instagram everything's just at Kaylin Bristow.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Thank you so much Kaylin for coming on the podcast
and I can't wait to see you in person soon
because we get together.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Thank you for having me. This was so fun.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
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What do you all think? Let me know