January 12, 2024 • 50 mins
Sandra will tackle OBEs this week as well as lucid dreaming connections, showing us that consciousness is definitely not in our heads!
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Hi.
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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that
our loved ones have survived physical debt and so will we.
Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Some of my favorite
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stories are that of verritical or verifiable evidence of the afterlife.
I remember on one episode, maybe a year ago, there
was the story of a woman who had a near
death experience and felt herself floating up through the surgery
room and up on top of the hospital, and there
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on the roof of the hospital was a red, high
heeled shoe. Someone that worked at the hospital actually went
up to the roof and there, lo and behold was
that shoe. These kind of things are verified, and they
let us know that certainly our consciousness does not remain
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just in our body. I've done experiments with remote viewing
and have successfully been able to see things on someone's
table halfway around the world. Today, I want to look
at more verifiable or verritical stories to remind us all
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that our souls are incredible. Before I get into the stories,
I want to give you an update on my lucid
dreaming experiences. Several months ago, I purchased a course online
on lucid dreaming by Robert Wagner, who wrote the book
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Lucid Dreaming Gateway to the Inner Self. I had heard
of stories of people who reconnected with their deceased loved
ones and thought if we could experiment and be reunited
with our loved ones, it would help through the grieving
process and help us really believe in the afterlife. There
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are times that we have these very clear and lucid
and true to life dreams where we can do anything,
create anything, and be connected with the higher part of ourselves.
I have to be honest. After I purchased the course,
I watched just one of the weekly segments, got very
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busy in life and forgot about it until just a
couple of nights ago when I took my first course
in mediumship. I feel like I had beginner's luck, that
the universe gives us just enough so that we know
something is real, and then we have to go and
work for it. And the same thing happened with lucid dreaming.
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I had one experience that I realized I was sleeping,
yet my consciousness was wide awake. I requested that I
meet up with my dad, and before I knew it,
my Dad was there. What made it different from any
other dream is that not only did I see him
and get a great big hug from him, he was
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younger than I remembered him to be. He spoke to me.
I could hear his voice. When I woke up. The
dream was still so alive for me, and in my
heart I knew that was Dad. For about a month,
I kept a dream journal, and every time I woke up,
even in the middle of the night, I wrote down
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my dreams. However, I didn't take the advice about what
to do in waking life, things like asking myself, am
I dreaming now? Many times a day, so that when
I get into the dream state, I could automatically say,
am I dreaming now? And catch myself in a dream.
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So three nights ago I realized this home study course
was going to expire. I stayed up eight into the
night and watched the next seven weeks instructions. Most of
the instructions were what to do once you were in
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the lucid dreaming state. And although I haven't perfected the
way to get there, all the stories I heard told
me there was so much more than just meeting up
with a loved one. For instance, author Robert Wagner really
believes that we are all connected, which is something so
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many of us believe. In one of his lucid dreams,
he was in a restaurant and saw his friend Mo.
He ran up to Moe very excited and said to her, Hey, Mo,
we're meeting here in the dream state. She gave him
a rather dumbfounded look and didn't communicate back with him.
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He thought this may just be his own memory of MO.
So we went up to MO. He waved in front
of her face, trying to get some reaction from her,
gave her the piece sign right in front of her face,
and thought, clearly this was a figment of his own imagination.
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Several months later he had an opportunity to see MO.
What was the first thing MO did? She waved in
front of his face and put a peace sign right
in front of his eyes. He said, Mo, why did
you do that? She says, I don't know. I just
felt like it. Other interesting things that I learned can
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happen in this lucid dreaming state. We can create anything,
we can levitate, we can go to the taj Mahal
if we'd like. We can float in outer space. If
we have a question, we can ask our higher intelligence
for the answer. Some of the things that Robert Wagoner
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talks about, which I found very interesting, is experiencing a
light of awareness, almost like God or a higher intelligence,
and having a feeling of being unconditionally loved, which we
hear so much from near death experiences. He says that
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he's met review committees, groups of people that have let
him know how well he's doing in life in areas
that he could improve if he choose. He's also experimented
with mutual lucid dreaming, meeting up with friends who are
fellow lucid dreamers at the same time at the same night,
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and both coming back experiencing the same thing. More verified
evidence healing is something that can happen in lucid dreaming.
He gave an example of a woman who tried everything
to get rid of some planter's warts that were on
her feet. No matter what medication she used, or even
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visual imagery and meditation, she could not get rid of them.
In this lucid dreaming state, she created a powerful white
light of healing and directed it to her feet, and
when she woke up within the next twenty four hours,
all the warts turned black, dropped off, and never returned again.
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He talks about not only self healing, but then sending
this healing light to others. The next morning, after I
did my marathon binge watching of the Lucid Dreaming course,
my mom just happened to ask me, Sandra, if you
could travel anywhere in the world, where would you want
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to go. My first thought was, oh, another cruise might
be nice, But then I thought my trip would not
be on an airplane. It would be figuring out how
to get into this magical, miraculous space in our minds
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through lucid dreaming. At the end of our episode today,
I'll give you a few tools if you'd like to
go on that journey with me. There are hundreds of
thousands of people who do lucid dreaming. It is a
very real thing. Also, Robert Wagner created a free online magazine.
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You can go to Lucid Dreamingmagazine dot com. I happen
to notice that his March twenty twenty four issue is
going to be on Lucid Dreams of the Deceased. If
you listen to this episode prior to February fifteenth, twenty
twenty four, you can actually share your dreams of your
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loved one with him. You'll be happy to know that
last night, well actually it was early this morning, I
had a lucid dream. It was very short, but I
used the WBTB method that you will hear about at
the end of this episode, which stands for wake back
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to bed in my dreamy state. Yet I was still awake,
I kept repeating to myself that I will recognize that
I'm having a dream, and I'll dream about my father,
and if almost by magic, it seemed like I was
in a very cloudy room, and as the mist began
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to subside, my dad was sitting there with a group
of my relatives. That's all I remember, and then I
fell sound asleep. It's just a little breadcrumb on my
path to becoming a lucid dreamer. As fantastic and strange
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and somewhat impossible, this may seem you may know the
story of Roger Banister having nothing to do with the afterlife.
For hundreds and hundreds of years, scientists believed that the
human body had limitations that prevented it from sustaining the
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necessary speed to run a mile in under four minutes.
No one could do it because the belief system was
so strong. But on May sixth, nineteen fifty four, Englishman
Roger Banister became the very first person ever to run
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a mile in under four minutes. Now the four minute
mile has become the professional standard in competitive runners. This
goes to show you how powerful our thoughts are. Walt
Disney said, if we can dream it, we can do it,
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and Henry Ford said, whether you think you can or
think you can't, you are right. Richard Bach said, you
are never given a dream without also being given the
power to make it come true. Are you willing to
meet up with your loved ones in the dream state?
Takes a little work, but I think it will be
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worth it. When we get back from the break, we're
going to hear stories of verified or verritical experiences that
prove consciousness is not just in our bodies. We'll be
right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
I'd like to do a little reading right now for you.
From the book The Self Does Not Die, written by
Titus Reves, Annie Durvin, and Rudolph Smitt. Physician K. M.
Dale related the case of nine year old Eddie Cuomo,
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whose fever finally broke after thirty six hours of anxious
praying on the part of his parents. As soon as
he opened his eyes at three o'clock in the morning,
Eddie urgently told his parents that he had been to heaven,
where he saw his deceased Grandpa Cuomo, Auntie Rosa, and
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uncle Lorenzo. His father was embarrassed that doctor Dale was
overhearing Eddie's story and tried to dismiss it as feverish delirium.
Then Eddie added that he also saw his nineteen year
old sister, Teresa, who told him he had to go back.
His father then became agitated because he had spoken to
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Teresa just two nights before on the phone. She was
attending college in Vermont. Later that morning, when Eddie's parents
telephoned the college, they learned that Teresa had been killed
in an automobile accident just after midnight that very same night,
and that college officials had tried to unsuccessfully reach them
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at their home to inform them of the tragic news
as they had been in the hospital with Eddie. Nineteen
year old Teresa was killed just after midnight, only about
three hours before for Eddie woke up. Obviously, the parents
and the physician could not have been aware of her
death prior to Eddie's heavenly encounter with her. Here's another story.
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John Myers related the case of a woman who in
a near death experience perceived herself leaving her body and
viewing the hospital room, and she saw her distraught husband
and the doctor shaking his head. She reported that she
went to heaven and saw an angel in a very
familiar young man. She exclaimed, why, Tom, I didn't know
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you were up here, to which Tom responded that he
had just arrived. The angel then told the woman that
she would be returning to Earth. She found herself back
in the hospital bed with the doctor looking over her.
Later that night, her husband got a call informing him
that their friend Tom had died in an auto accident.
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Last story reminded me of a spur of the moment
medium reading I did while I was on a vacation.
I had gone on a cruise, I was set up
with a roommate, and I had told her that I
had just returned from my first medium class. She says, oh,
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you're a medium. Who do you see around me? And
I felt uncomfortable because I'm not a medium, and so
many of the times in class I got more information
wrong than I got right. She says, you don't know me.
Why not try If it works, great, If it doesn't,
who cares? So I gave it a go. Four names
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came to my mind, one of them sounding a little weird,
like Maggie or Meggie, and she said, all those names
are names of my grandparents. I used to call my
grandmother Medjay. From there, I saw a dark skinned man
with bright white teeth wearing a gold watch, kept pointing
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to his watch in fact, and I heard the name Ricky,
and I asked her therees a handsome, dark skinned man
with a big smile, blue eyes showing a gold watch
mean anything to you? And she said, no, I don't
have anybody deceased that fits that description. So I chalked
that one up to my imagination, and I'm sure. We
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ordered another Pina Colada. We exchanged phone numbers, and the
next day, after I arrived home, I got a call
from my friend. She said her friend Ricky died while
we were on that cruise. He perfectly fit the description,
and she had given him that gold watch for his birthday.
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That's a case of verified evidence. This next story is
from a nurse who felt concerned that a patient said
they recognized her. She was giving this patient, a woman,
a bath, when the patient remarked, you were here yesterday.
The nurse asked her if she could remember anything. The
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patient told her she had seen her from above and
how the team had tried to resuscitate her. She also
remembered a conversation between the nurse and one of the
doctors about the dress code. The doctor had in fact
said to the nurse that she was not allowed to
wear dresses to work anymore, and had commented that she
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couldn't wear a skirt either. The nurse responded that that
indeed was the conversation that was had while this woman
was being resuscitated. Here's the next story. In New England, Vandriver,
Al Sullivan underwent an emergency operation at the age of
fifty six at the Hartford Hospital in Connecticut. He was
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having heart arrhythmias at work, and when he was examined
the hospital, one of the coronary arteries became blocked, requiring
him to undergo immediate surgery. During the operation, he felt
himself leave his body. He had the feeling of rising up,
and in doing so, seemed completely surrounded by a kind
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of thick, black smoke, until he finally rose to kind
of an amphitheater that he was unable to enter. There
was a wall between him and the operating room, and
behind it a particularly bright light was shining. He managed
to hold on to the wall and to look over it.
To his surprise, he saw his body in the lower left,
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lying on a table and covered by light blue sheets.
He also saw how he had been cut open to
expose his chest cavity. He saw his heart, and also
his surgeon. The surgeon seemed like he was flapping his
arms as if trying to fly. Then Sullivan moved beyond
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the material physical realm, in which he saw his deceased
loved ones, among them his mother, who had died young
in a glorious yellow light, all the while experiencing overwhelming
feelings of warmth, joy, love, and peace. The verifiable evidence
here is the flapping of the doctor's elbows. The patient
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thought it looked like he was trying to fly. It
turned out that after the doctor washes his hands in
a haste, he has this strange habit of flapping his
elbows to try to quickly dry his hands. Here's a
story of a sixty year old man who was recovering
from an emergency intervention in connection with intestinal cancer. After
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the operation, he felt terrible. He was suffering from sepsis,
and the failure of various organs. Within about five minutes,
they feared cardiac arrest was imminent, and the patient lapsed
into a deep unconscious state, with his eyes shut and
with him failing to respond to verbal commands or quite
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painful stimulation. The patient's condition deteriorated and everyone tried to
figure out what was going on. Various medical procedures were
performed in an attempt to improve his condition. Meanwhile, the
physiotherapist on the team worried she was responsible for what
had happened. During the procedure. The woman was standing nervously
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on the other side of the privacy curtain, intermittently poking
her head around the curtain to see how the patient
was doing. Once the patient's condition had stabilized, she noticed
that he was drooling. She used a long suction catheter
and then a wet pink sponge on his mouth. After
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about half an hour, the patient began to blink his
eyes and move his arms and legs. Three or four
hours after the incident, the patient had fully regained consciousness.
Once the patient had revived, the medical team on duty
walked toward him. He made an excited attempt to tell
the doctor something. He could not speak because he was
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hindered by a breathing apparatus. He was given a board
with letters on which he spelled out I died and
watched it all from above. As soon as the patient
no longer needed the breathing apparatus, he said, all I
can remember is that I was floating up and I
could see everything. It was so painless, and I was
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so happy looking down. I could see everyone. Everyone was
panicking around me. The blonde lady therapist, she was panicking.
She was hiding behind the curtains, but kept poking her
head around to check on me. I could see a long,
pink lollipop kind of thing on a stick. I don't
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know what that was, but it kept coming to my mouth.
A moment later, he said, you were their penny and
two doctors. But you with the lollipop sponge, Yes, like
a mouthwash. She said, I can remember doing that, but
at the time you were completely unconscious and your eyes
were closed. He said, well, I could see that as
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plain as I can see you now. She said, did
you hear me say that I was going to clean
your mouth? He said, no, I didn't hear anything. I
was just looking down from above, seeing you do something
with my mouth with this long pink thing. All verified information.
Linda Morris and Kathleen Naffle, both PhD level nurses, interviewed
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nineteen nurses about their experiences with patients who had been
closed to death or who had had a ND. The
nurses reported all kinds of experiences, such as a visible
glow around a patient shortly before the patient's death, perceptions
of angels at the deathbed, and paranormal dreams about patients.
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One nurse told of a patient who had an out
of body experience during cardiac arrest. She said, the patient
described the whole scene. I was flying over everybody. She
described that we were doing CPR on her, and then
she described something funny. She said, there was a penny
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on top one of the cabinets, but you'd have to
climb up to see it. So I mentioned this to
another nurse who talks about these kind of things like
I do. She actually looked up on top of the
cabinet and found the penny. As we go into the break,
I want you to think for yourself, have you received
any verifiable evidence such as have you known the phone
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was going to ring and then you knew exactly who
would be calling, or have you and a loved one
said the same thing at the exact same time. We
are all connected. So we'll go to the break. We'll
come back with more stories and then give you some
instruction if you would like to use elucid dreaming to
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connect with your loved ones. You're listening to Shades of
the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
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I'm Sander Champlain and our topic today is a verifiable
evidence and please be sure to stick to the end
and I give some instruction unlucid dreaming to be able
to tap into that wealth of knowledge inside of us
and I believe be able to connect with our deceased
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loved ones. Here's our next example, again coming from the
book The Self Does Not Die. Social psychologist Kenneth Ring
and PhD level nurse Madeline Lawrence described the case of
a patient of Joyce Harmon's, a surgical intensive care nurse
in Hartford, Connecticut. Harmon, at the time of the patient's
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near death experience, had just returned from vacation the week before.
During the vacation. She had bought new shoelaces that had
a plaid pattern, and she happened to be wearing them
the first day back at the hospital. That same day,
she was busy resuscitating a patient, a woman whom she
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did not know. She administered medications to her. The resuscitation
was successful, and the next day Harmon by chance saw
the woman again and they had a conversation. The patient
said spontaneously, Oh, you're the one with the plaid shoelaces.
Nurse Harmon was dumbfounded and felt the hairs on the
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back of her neck stand up. The patient told her
she had seen the shoelaces from above when she had died.
Norma Bo, PhD, a professor in the College of Education
at Keene University in Union, New Jersey and a registered nurse,
tells this story. She was employed as a nurse in
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emergency rooms in ICUs and she dealt with many patients.
She was regularly confronted by fatalities. In the neurology ICEU,
she once encountered a patient with a stitched up head
wound who had had an out of body experience. The
woman came to Nurse Bo's unit in a coma. She
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remained in a coma for several weeks. During that time,
she had a cardiac arrest, from which a team resuscitated
her after repeated attempts in the emergency room. When the
patient had come out of her coma, she was unhooked
from the apparatusus that had kept her alive. The patient
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claimed that she had an out of body experience during
which she had observed the room from above. Because Bo
was familiar with this kind of story, she did not
attach much significance to it, and so she was only
half listening to the patient. The patient, however, turned out
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to be suffering from obsessive compulsive disorder that centered on
remembering numbers, and this feature did catch Bo's attention. The
patient compled pulsively tried to commit to memory every number
she came across. The woman claimed that during her out
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of body experience, she had imprinted in her memory the
serial number of the respirator, which was to be found
on the very top of the machine. At that time,
respirators were some six feet in height. The patient chanted
the number, comprising of twelve digits. Bo and her colleagues
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wrote the number down, but thought no more of it.
One day, the respiratory specialist came to take the machine
from the room because the patient did not need it anymore.
A custodial staff member was therefore called to dust the
top of the respirator. A latter was needed to reach it.
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The man who dusted the machine proceeded to read out
exactly the same number as the one the patient had
observed from above. Wow, that's pretty extraordinary. Physician John Lerma
worked for ten years at the renowned Texas Medical Center
hospice at the Medical Center of Houston, Texas, and has
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written about visions that the dying may have. In his
book Into the Light, Lurma highlighted the following case, which
was instrumental in his decision to pursue a career as
a hospice physician. At the time of this case, doctor
Lerma was working as an intern at a hospital in
San Antonio, Texas. One night, several patients were brought to
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the hospital for emergency treatment, including Ricardo, aged eighty two,
a man who had collapsed while eating dinner. Lerma tried
to resuscitate this patient directly after the first electrical shock.
The patient's heart rhythm appeared to restore itself. Ricardo slowly
awake and mumbled something about the light and about an
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out of body experience. He also made a comparison with
a roller coaster. Ricardo was still bothered by chest pain,
so in order to distract him, Lerma asked the patient
to tell him more about the roller coaster. Ricardo then
described a classic beautiful near death experience, including meeting angels
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who had told him that he would survive. After the
short conversation, the patient had another cardiac arrest. The team
tried to resuscitate him by means of shock, but that
did not work this time. Only when Lerma delivered an
epinephrin injection into the patient's heart was the rhythm restored.
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The next day, Lerma went to see the new patients
and saw Ricardo waving at him and motioning that the
doctor should come see him first. He thanked doctor Lerma
for his efforts and also referred to the conversation about
the near death experience. Ricardo told Lerma the kind of
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lessons he had retained from the near death experience. Lastly,
he asked the intern to help him prove that his
experience had been more than just a dream. The patient said,
I was out of my body and floating up above
the trauma room when I spotted a nineteen eighty five
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quarter lying on the right hand corner of the eight
foot high cardiac monitor. It was amidst the dust, as
if someone had put it there for this very reason
a long time ago. Doctor Lerma, Could you please check
this for me? It would mean so much to me. Subsequently,
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Lerma took a ladder to the emergency room. He climbed
up the ladder in the presence of nurses. Lerma says,
to our total amazement, there it was just as he
had seen it, the quarter with even the year nineteen
eighty five on it. He argued that there appeared to
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be only two possible explanations for the correct description of
the quarter. Either Ricardo had placed the quarter there himself,
or he was truly able to see the coin in
his out of body state. He mentioned that Ricardo, from
a medical point of view, had not been in any
condition to climb the ladder for years. Lerma also could
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not establish a link with anyone who worked in the
emergency room. You know what I love about that story? Yes,
I love the verifiable evidence of the nineteen eighty five
quarter but because of that experience, the doctor John Lerma
went into being a hospice doctor and now he's got
the book into the light real life stories about angelic visits,
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visions of the afterlife, and other pre death experiences. Yep
I added that to my list, seventeen year old Mikayla
of Homer City, Pennsylvania, was on vacation with her family. Unfortunately,
she was the victim of a serious car accident caused
by the driver of a large truck. She was flown
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to an emergency room by helicopter. She had suffered serious
brain injury and wounds to her arms. The doctor who
gave Michaela trauma treatment in the helicopter, Scott Magley, said
he did his utmost to save her, but she still
slipped into a coma on arrival at the hospital. In
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this condition, Mikaela had a near death experience with a
panoramic review of her past along with a peak into
her future. Afterwards, she found herself up in the corner
of the hospital room, where she looked down on her
own boy. Then, Mikaela saw her parents sitting in the
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hospital cafeteria, with both of her grandmothers sitting across from them.
She said, my dad is a smoker, and he said
he was going to have a cigarette because he just
wanted to get some breathing room and get out of
there for a while. And it was funny because my grandmother,
my mom's mom, who would never ever ever have a
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cigarette in her life, said I need one too. I'm
going to have one of those. And then my other
grandmother said, yeah, me too. Two weeks later, Mikaela awoke
from her coma. She told her astonished mother that both
her grandmothers had suddenly started smoking with Mikaela's father. This
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event was confirmed by the mother. On their Near Death
Experience Research Foundation website, Jeffrey and Jodi Long presented the
account of a mother, Marnie s, who wrote about her
daughter's near death experience. When the little girl was only
two years old, she had an unexpected cardiac arrest and
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was unconscious for at least four minutes. She was resuscitated
at a hospital with the help of a defibrillator. Her
mother wrote a few months after being released from the hospital,
she told our then twelve year old daughter, I'm all
better now. Our older daughter responded with you are, how
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do you know that, Our two year old daughter said,
God told me. A few weeks later, we were sitting
around the campfire as a family, roasting marshmallows when our
daughter told us God came to see me when I
was at the hospital. He carried me up to the
sky when the doctors were putting something on me. He
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told me I was all better now and took me
back down to the hospital. Our daughter was very upset
that she had to return to the hospital. She really
wanted to go with God. A forty nine year old
man had a massive heart attack. The physician tried his
utmost to resuscitate him, but after some thirty five minutes,
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the doctor gave up. He had already started filling out
his death certificate when someone pointed out that there still
seemed to be life in the patient. The doctor tried
again and was successful at resuscitating him. The next day,
the patient was able to tell the doctor in great
detail what had happened in the emergency room. The man
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described the hairstyle on the nurse. He had even read
her last name on her name tag, which was Hawk's
time for the break. We'll be right back. You're listening
to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to
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Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. If you're interested
in more of these stories. The book The Self Does
Not Die has just been republished in the second edition
with twenty four new cases. In fact, they say within
the book there are one hundred and twenty eight total cases.
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When we started the show today, I spoke about lucid dreaming,
and I really believe it's the next frontier with not
only afterlife communication, but also self healing, getting to know
our higher self, and who knows what else is possible.
I want to read to you a story written by
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a fellow named Zach. He said, I tried lucid dreaming
for thirty days, and my life has changed forever. As
I get busier, I am constantly hunting for more hours
in my day. I know, however, from academic journals and
personal experience, that taking away hours from sleep is the
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worst possible option. But what if I could find some
extra time during sleep? What if that time was during dreams?
But how do I gain awareness of my dreams? How
will I know when I'm dreaming. Can I fly during dreams?
Can I study during dreams? Can I fight Darth Vader
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in an awesome lightsaber battle? One day, I was telling
one of my friends about one of my dreams, and
she said she had flown to Egypt to see the
pyramids in her previous dream. I was like, what, how
did you do that? She told me it was just
a regular lucid dream for her. Immediately I began researching
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what is lucid dreaming. For the next thirty days, my
life became all about lucid dreaming. I bought a lucid
dreaming book, read one hundred Reddit posts, watched Inception and Memento,
and bought a fancy journal and a pen. I went
to bed one night, prepared to have a lucid dream
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and fly to explore pyramids like my friend. I went
to bed and nothing happened. I was bummed. I had
to do something different. I decided to separate the next
thirty days into five day blocks, where I would commit
to one thing every five days. Stephen Leberge's book Exploring
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the World of Lucid Dreaming would be my guide. In
phase one, I should be recording every single dream. My
hab at night using a dream journal. I remember thinking, wait,
so I have to wake up in the middle of
the night, turn on a light, and write stuff in
a journal That sounds like a nightmare right there. However,
I did it. I wanted to have that epic lightsaber battle.
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I found waking up to be really tough. A couple
of times I woke up thought about journaling, but then
went right back to sleep. What motivated me was reading
all the stories from Leburge's book and the Internet. People
were speaking to long lost dead relatives, rehearsing for musical concerts,
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or canoodling with their favorite celebrity. At first, my recollection
of dreams was abysmal. I would remember maybe one sentence
describing the image of what had happened. Slowly, however, I
built up more and more details. Soon I was filling
the page with details from my dreams. My hunger was
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building for the lucid dream though, to go to the
next phase, phase two, reality checks. The idea behind reality
checks is that if you consistently check to see if
you're dreaming during real waking life, then eventually you will
begin to check to see if you are dreaming while
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you are dreaming. So I made the plan to do
this one reality check where I pinch my nose and
try to breathe through my nose. In real life, of course,
you can't breathe through a pinched nose, but when you
are dreaming, you can breathe through a pinched nose. I
scheduled myself to do reality checks whenever I noticed it
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was the hour marker. I remember feeling extremely silly when
I first started doing this, and on the streets people
would occasionally look at me like I was crazy. But
then something amazing happened. A couple days into doing reality checks,
I had my first lucid dream. I was stunned by
how vivid and real the dream world was. My brain
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is generating all these images and people and things, and
now I was really hooked. There was no way I
was going back. I wanted to have longer lucid dreams,
do cooler things in the dreams, and have them more frequently.
So I kicked it up a notch phase three mnemonic
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induced lucid dreaming. This was the mild technique. All mild
is is when you wake up late in the night,
you remember and record your dream, then you fall back asleep.
And you repeat to yourself, next time I'm dreaming, I
will remember I'm dreaming. Next time i'm dreaming, I will
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remember I'm dreaming, and so on, all the while imagining
what you would do when you remember you are dreaming.
Then I hit the wall. Even though I was super
motivate and committed, I found myself not having another Lucid
dream for a while. I was bummed. I thought the
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curve for Lucid dreams would be exponential, but I was wrong.
I began to lose interest in Lucid dreaming. One day
I didn't even do any reality checks. Another day, I
didn't record a single dream. Was it over? Was my
Lucid dreaming journey a thing of the past? Would I
ever fly off into space? During this time, I reached
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out to my original Lucid dreaming inspiration and she told
me that's okay, it happens. She also said it was
a very tough commitment. You need to stay with it.
I thought back to when I first started dreaming about
my very first and only Lucid dream and how awesome
it was, and I realized this was important to me.
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Getting extra time was important to me exploring the world
of my dream teams was important to me, and I recommitted.
Near the end of phase three, I was still not
having lucid dreams, but my dream recall was on an
all time high. I was recording multiple pages of dreams
per night. By the end of phase three, I knew
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I needed to change things up to add an ever
more powerful method, a more advanced one phase four wb TB.
For my final phase, I decided to use wake back
to bed method. The wake back to bed method and
tails waking up five or six hours after falling asleep
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and then falling asleep consciously, the idea being later in
the night, your REM cycle is at its longest duration,
and your REM cycle is when you dream. However, many
redditors and even Laberge indicated this method it isn't for
the week of art. Falling asleep consciously is difficult for
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a couple of reasons. Number one, you have to be
at the perfect level of arousal. If you just wake
up for a little while and then fall back asleep,
you won't have a wake into your prefrontal cortex enough
to help you think and recognize that you are dreaming.
But if you wake up too much, then you won't
fall back asleep. So after my ten day drought, I
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finally had another one. I fell asleep consciously. Things became
very blurry and there were loud noises, but I emerged
into the dream world. Then it just kept happening. Wake
back to bad method kept working. I had another lucid dream,
then another lucid dream. A couple days later, another lucid dream,
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and then another one, And then I was on lucid
dream number six. And in this one something intense happened.
I think my subconscious was talking to me, or a
part of myself was talking to me. There was a
figure that looked very similar to me that gave me
life advice. The dream character was urging me to be
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healthier and slow down. I had an amazing lucid dream
on my final night, night thirty. I was in a
playground surrounded by the ocean, and remember thinking that was weird.
But then I woke up. I immediately tried to go
back to bed using the mild technique, and found myself
in that same place. Instantly, I became lucid and remembered
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my intention to fly in space. What followed was an
experience I will never forget. I was flying through space,
experiencing different dimensions and different shapes, and had the happiest
feeling ever. The dream intensified my emotions to a point
where I was nearly in tears when I awoke. That's
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how amazing it was. I realized that there is so
much to explore, not only in the world but in
my head. Imagine the crazy things I could discover. If
I kept doing this for a year, my life will
never be the same. I needed to hear that myself,
to be honest, because I started off so strong and
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then it is hard to keep up with this. But
after reading all of those near death experience accounts where
people have this higher consciousness that's outside of their body,
I think that we can get to that same place
without having a near death experience. And this is through
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Lucid Dreaming. If you do some research, if you start
reading the free magazine at Lucid Dreaming magazine dot com,
you hear these stories from people, stories of healing, stories
of meeting their higher self, stories of connecting with their
deceased life. And while you may think it's just your imagination,
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there has been verifiable evidence coming from Lucid Dreaming to
prove that it's not all our imagination, certainly some of
it is. So I'm excited again and we'll see where
it goes if you're interested. That book by Stephen Leburge
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is called Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming, and the
book that I have been reading is Robert Wagoner's Lucid
Dreaming Gateway to the Inner Self. I want to remind
you that my home base is we Don't Die dot com.
Near the bottom of the page you can enter your
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name and email address. It says you get the first
few chapters of my book We Don't Die, a skeptics
discovery of life after death, but it's the whole book.
We have all kinds of good classes coming up, and
of course our free Sunday Gathering Inspirational Service two o'clock
New York time every Sunday with a free medium demonstration included.
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Hi.
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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that
our loved ones have survived physical debt and so will we.
Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Some of my favorite
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stories are that of verritical or verifiable evidence of the afterlife.
I remember on one episode, maybe a year ago, there
was the story of a woman who had a near
death experience and felt herself floating up through the surgery
room and up on top of the hospital, and there
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on the roof of the hospital was a red, high
heeled shoe. Someone that worked at the hospital actually went
up to the roof and there, lo and behold was
that shoe. These kind of things are verified, and they
let us know that certainly our consciousness does not remain
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just in our body. I've done experiments with remote viewing
and have successfully been able to see things on someone's
table halfway around the world. Today, I want to look
at more verifiable or verritical stories to remind us all
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that our souls are incredible. Before I get into the stories,
I want to give you an update on my lucid
dreaming experiences. Several months ago, I purchased a course online
on lucid dreaming by Robert Wagner, who wrote the book
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Lucid Dreaming Gateway to the Inner Self. I had heard
of stories of people who reconnected with their deceased loved
ones and thought if we could experiment and be reunited
with our loved ones, it would help through the grieving
process and help us really believe in the afterlife. There
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are times that we have these very clear and lucid
and true to life dreams where we can do anything,
create anything, and be connected with the higher part of ourselves.
I have to be honest. After I purchased the course,
I watched just one of the weekly segments, got very
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busy in life and forgot about it until just a
couple of nights ago when I took my first course
in mediumship. I feel like I had beginner's luck, that
the universe gives us just enough so that we know
something is real, and then we have to go and
work for it. And the same thing happened with lucid dreaming.
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I had one experience that I realized I was sleeping,
yet my consciousness was wide awake. I requested that I
meet up with my dad, and before I knew it,
my Dad was there. What made it different from any
other dream is that not only did I see him
and get a great big hug from him, he was
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younger than I remembered him to be. He spoke to me.
I could hear his voice. When I woke up. The
dream was still so alive for me, and in my
heart I knew that was Dad. For about a month,
I kept a dream journal, and every time I woke up,
even in the middle of the night, I wrote down
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my dreams. However, I didn't take the advice about what
to do in waking life, things like asking myself, am
I dreaming now? Many times a day, so that when
I get into the dream state, I could automatically say,
am I dreaming now? And catch myself in a dream.
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So three nights ago I realized this home study course
was going to expire. I stayed up eight into the
night and watched the next seven weeks instructions. Most of
the instructions were what to do once you were in
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the lucid dreaming state. And although I haven't perfected the
way to get there, all the stories I heard told
me there was so much more than just meeting up
with a loved one. For instance, author Robert Wagner really
believes that we are all connected, which is something so
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many of us believe. In one of his lucid dreams,
he was in a restaurant and saw his friend Mo.
He ran up to Moe very excited and said to her, Hey, Mo,
we're meeting here in the dream state. She gave him
a rather dumbfounded look and didn't communicate back with him.
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He thought this may just be his own memory of MO.
So we went up to MO. He waved in front
of her face, trying to get some reaction from her,
gave her the piece sign right in front of her face,
and thought, clearly this was a figment of his own imagination.
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Several months later he had an opportunity to see MO.
What was the first thing MO did? She waved in
front of his face and put a peace sign right
in front of his eyes. He said, Mo, why did
you do that? She says, I don't know. I just
felt like it. Other interesting things that I learned can
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happen in this lucid dreaming state. We can create anything,
we can levitate, we can go to the taj Mahal
if we'd like. We can float in outer space. If
we have a question, we can ask our higher intelligence
for the answer. Some of the things that Robert Wagoner
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talks about, which I found very interesting, is experiencing a
light of awareness, almost like God or a higher intelligence,
and having a feeling of being unconditionally loved, which we
hear so much from near death experiences. He says that
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he's met review committees, groups of people that have let
him know how well he's doing in life in areas
that he could improve if he choose. He's also experimented
with mutual lucid dreaming, meeting up with friends who are
fellow lucid dreamers at the same time at the same night,
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and both coming back experiencing the same thing. More verified
evidence healing is something that can happen in lucid dreaming.
He gave an example of a woman who tried everything
to get rid of some planter's warts that were on
her feet. No matter what medication she used, or even
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visual imagery and meditation, she could not get rid of them.
In this lucid dreaming state, she created a powerful white
light of healing and directed it to her feet, and
when she woke up within the next twenty four hours,
all the warts turned black, dropped off, and never returned again.
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He talks about not only self healing, but then sending
this healing light to others. The next morning, after I
did my marathon binge watching of the Lucid Dreaming course,
my mom just happened to ask me, Sandra, if you
could travel anywhere in the world, where would you want
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to go. My first thought was, oh, another cruise might
be nice, But then I thought my trip would not
be on an airplane. It would be figuring out how
to get into this magical, miraculous space in our minds
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through lucid dreaming. At the end of our episode today,
I'll give you a few tools if you'd like to
go on that journey with me. There are hundreds of
thousands of people who do lucid dreaming. It is a
very real thing. Also, Robert Wagner created a free online magazine.
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You can go to Lucid Dreamingmagazine dot com. I happen
to notice that his March twenty twenty four issue is
going to be on Lucid Dreams of the Deceased. If
you listen to this episode prior to February fifteenth, twenty
twenty four, you can actually share your dreams of your
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loved one with him. You'll be happy to know that
last night, well actually it was early this morning, I
had a lucid dream. It was very short, but I
used the WBTB method that you will hear about at
the end of this episode, which stands for wake back
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to bed in my dreamy state. Yet I was still awake,
I kept repeating to myself that I will recognize that
I'm having a dream, and I'll dream about my father,
and if almost by magic, it seemed like I was
in a very cloudy room, and as the mist began
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to subside, my dad was sitting there with a group
of my relatives. That's all I remember, and then I
fell sound asleep. It's just a little breadcrumb on my
path to becoming a lucid dreamer. As fantastic and strange
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and somewhat impossible, this may seem you may know the
story of Roger Banister having nothing to do with the afterlife.
For hundreds and hundreds of years, scientists believed that the
human body had limitations that prevented it from sustaining the
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necessary speed to run a mile in under four minutes.
No one could do it because the belief system was
so strong. But on May sixth, nineteen fifty four, Englishman
Roger Banister became the very first person ever to run
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a mile in under four minutes. Now the four minute
mile has become the professional standard in competitive runners. This
goes to show you how powerful our thoughts are. Walt
Disney said, if we can dream it, we can do it,
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and Henry Ford said, whether you think you can or
think you can't, you are right. Richard Bach said, you
are never given a dream without also being given the
power to make it come true. Are you willing to
meet up with your loved ones in the dream state?
Takes a little work, but I think it will be
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worth it. When we get back from the break, we're
going to hear stories of verified or verritical experiences that
prove consciousness is not just in our bodies. We'll be
right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
I'd like to do a little reading right now for you.
From the book The Self Does Not Die, written by
Titus Reves, Annie Durvin, and Rudolph Smitt. Physician K. M.
Dale related the case of nine year old Eddie Cuomo,
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whose fever finally broke after thirty six hours of anxious
praying on the part of his parents. As soon as
he opened his eyes at three o'clock in the morning,
Eddie urgently told his parents that he had been to heaven,
where he saw his deceased Grandpa Cuomo, Auntie Rosa, and
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uncle Lorenzo. His father was embarrassed that doctor Dale was
overhearing Eddie's story and tried to dismiss it as feverish delirium.
Then Eddie added that he also saw his nineteen year
old sister, Teresa, who told him he had to go back.
His father then became agitated because he had spoken to
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Teresa just two nights before on the phone. She was
attending college in Vermont. Later that morning, when Eddie's parents
telephoned the college, they learned that Teresa had been killed
in an automobile accident just after midnight that very same night,
and that college officials had tried to unsuccessfully reach them
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at their home to inform them of the tragic news
as they had been in the hospital with Eddie. Nineteen
year old Teresa was killed just after midnight, only about
three hours before for Eddie woke up. Obviously, the parents
and the physician could not have been aware of her
death prior to Eddie's heavenly encounter with her. Here's another story.
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John Myers related the case of a woman who in
a near death experience perceived herself leaving her body and
viewing the hospital room, and she saw her distraught husband
and the doctor shaking his head. She reported that she
went to heaven and saw an angel in a very
familiar young man. She exclaimed, why, Tom, I didn't know
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you were up here, to which Tom responded that he
had just arrived. The angel then told the woman that
she would be returning to Earth. She found herself back
in the hospital bed with the doctor looking over her.
Later that night, her husband got a call informing him
that their friend Tom had died in an auto accident.
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Last story reminded me of a spur of the moment
medium reading I did while I was on a vacation.
I had gone on a cruise, I was set up
with a roommate, and I had told her that I
had just returned from my first medium class. She says, oh,
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you're a medium. Who do you see around me? And
I felt uncomfortable because I'm not a medium, and so
many of the times in class I got more information
wrong than I got right. She says, you don't know me.
Why not try If it works, great, If it doesn't,
who cares? So I gave it a go. Four names
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came to my mind, one of them sounding a little weird,
like Maggie or Meggie, and she said, all those names
are names of my grandparents. I used to call my
grandmother Medjay. From there, I saw a dark skinned man
with bright white teeth wearing a gold watch, kept pointing
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to his watch in fact, and I heard the name Ricky,
and I asked her therees a handsome, dark skinned man
with a big smile, blue eyes showing a gold watch
mean anything to you? And she said, no, I don't
have anybody deceased that fits that description. So I chalked
that one up to my imagination, and I'm sure. We
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ordered another Pina Colada. We exchanged phone numbers, and the
next day, after I arrived home, I got a call
from my friend. She said her friend Ricky died while
we were on that cruise. He perfectly fit the description,
and she had given him that gold watch for his birthday.
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That's a case of verified evidence. This next story is
from a nurse who felt concerned that a patient said
they recognized her. She was giving this patient, a woman,
a bath, when the patient remarked, you were here yesterday.
The nurse asked her if she could remember anything. The
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patient told her she had seen her from above and
how the team had tried to resuscitate her. She also
remembered a conversation between the nurse and one of the
doctors about the dress code. The doctor had in fact
said to the nurse that she was not allowed to
wear dresses to work anymore, and had commented that she
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couldn't wear a skirt either. The nurse responded that that
indeed was the conversation that was had while this woman
was being resuscitated. Here's the next story. In New England, Vandriver,
Al Sullivan underwent an emergency operation at the age of
fifty six at the Hartford Hospital in Connecticut. He was
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having heart arrhythmias at work, and when he was examined
the hospital, one of the coronary arteries became blocked, requiring
him to undergo immediate surgery. During the operation, he felt
himself leave his body. He had the feeling of rising up,
and in doing so, seemed completely surrounded by a kind
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of thick, black smoke, until he finally rose to kind
of an amphitheater that he was unable to enter. There
was a wall between him and the operating room, and
behind it a particularly bright light was shining. He managed
to hold on to the wall and to look over it.
To his surprise, he saw his body in the lower left,
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lying on a table and covered by light blue sheets.
He also saw how he had been cut open to
expose his chest cavity. He saw his heart, and also
his surgeon. The surgeon seemed like he was flapping his
arms as if trying to fly. Then Sullivan moved beyond
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the material physical realm, in which he saw his deceased
loved ones, among them his mother, who had died young
in a glorious yellow light, all the while experiencing overwhelming
feelings of warmth, joy, love, and peace. The verifiable evidence
here is the flapping of the doctor's elbows. The patient
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thought it looked like he was trying to fly. It
turned out that after the doctor washes his hands in
a haste, he has this strange habit of flapping his
elbows to try to quickly dry his hands. Here's a
story of a sixty year old man who was recovering
from an emergency intervention in connection with intestinal cancer. After
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the operation, he felt terrible. He was suffering from sepsis,
and the failure of various organs. Within about five minutes,
they feared cardiac arrest was imminent, and the patient lapsed
into a deep unconscious state, with his eyes shut and
with him failing to respond to verbal commands or quite
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painful stimulation. The patient's condition deteriorated and everyone tried to
figure out what was going on. Various medical procedures were
performed in an attempt to improve his condition. Meanwhile, the
physiotherapist on the team worried she was responsible for what
had happened. During the procedure. The woman was standing nervously
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on the other side of the privacy curtain, intermittently poking
her head around the curtain to see how the patient
was doing. Once the patient's condition had stabilized, she noticed
that he was drooling. She used a long suction catheter
and then a wet pink sponge on his mouth. After
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about half an hour, the patient began to blink his
eyes and move his arms and legs. Three or four
hours after the incident, the patient had fully regained consciousness.
Once the patient had revived, the medical team on duty
walked toward him. He made an excited attempt to tell
the doctor something. He could not speak because he was
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hindered by a breathing apparatus. He was given a board
with letters on which he spelled out I died and
watched it all from above. As soon as the patient
no longer needed the breathing apparatus, he said, all I
can remember is that I was floating up and I
could see everything. It was so painless, and I was
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so happy looking down. I could see everyone. Everyone was
panicking around me. The blonde lady therapist, she was panicking.
She was hiding behind the curtains, but kept poking her
head around to check on me. I could see a long,
pink lollipop kind of thing on a stick. I don't
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know what that was, but it kept coming to my mouth.
A moment later, he said, you were their penny and
two doctors. But you with the lollipop sponge, Yes, like
a mouthwash. She said, I can remember doing that, but
at the time you were completely unconscious and your eyes
were closed. He said, well, I could see that as
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plain as I can see you now. She said, did
you hear me say that I was going to clean
your mouth? He said, no, I didn't hear anything. I
was just looking down from above, seeing you do something
with my mouth with this long pink thing. All verified information.
Linda Morris and Kathleen Naffle, both PhD level nurses, interviewed
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nineteen nurses about their experiences with patients who had been
closed to death or who had had a ND. The
nurses reported all kinds of experiences, such as a visible
glow around a patient shortly before the patient's death, perceptions
of angels at the deathbed, and paranormal dreams about patients.
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One nurse told of a patient who had an out
of body experience during cardiac arrest. She said, the patient
described the whole scene. I was flying over everybody. She
described that we were doing CPR on her, and then
she described something funny. She said, there was a penny
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on top one of the cabinets, but you'd have to
climb up to see it. So I mentioned this to
another nurse who talks about these kind of things like
I do. She actually looked up on top of the
cabinet and found the penny. As we go into the break,
I want you to think for yourself, have you received
any verifiable evidence such as have you known the phone
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was going to ring and then you knew exactly who
would be calling, or have you and a loved one
said the same thing at the exact same time. We
are all connected. So we'll go to the break. We'll
come back with more stories and then give you some
instruction if you would like to use elucid dreaming to
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connect with your loved ones. You're listening to Shades of
the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
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I'm Sander Champlain and our topic today is a verifiable
evidence and please be sure to stick to the end
and I give some instruction unlucid dreaming to be able
to tap into that wealth of knowledge inside of us
and I believe be able to connect with our deceased
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loved ones. Here's our next example, again coming from the
book The Self Does Not Die. Social psychologist Kenneth Ring
and PhD level nurse Madeline Lawrence described the case of
a patient of Joyce Harmon's, a surgical intensive care nurse
in Hartford, Connecticut. Harmon, at the time of the patient's
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near death experience, had just returned from vacation the week before.
During the vacation. She had bought new shoelaces that had
a plaid pattern, and she happened to be wearing them
the first day back at the hospital. That same day,
she was busy resuscitating a patient, a woman whom she
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did not know. She administered medications to her. The resuscitation
was successful, and the next day Harmon by chance saw
the woman again and they had a conversation. The patient
said spontaneously, Oh, you're the one with the plaid shoelaces.
Nurse Harmon was dumbfounded and felt the hairs on the
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back of her neck stand up. The patient told her
she had seen the shoelaces from above when she had died.
Norma Bo, PhD, a professor in the College of Education
at Keene University in Union, New Jersey and a registered nurse,
tells this story. She was employed as a nurse in
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emergency rooms in ICUs and she dealt with many patients.
She was regularly confronted by fatalities. In the neurology ICEU,
she once encountered a patient with a stitched up head
wound who had had an out of body experience. The
woman came to Nurse Bo's unit in a coma. She
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remained in a coma for several weeks. During that time,
she had a cardiac arrest, from which a team resuscitated
her after repeated attempts in the emergency room. When the
patient had come out of her coma, she was unhooked
from the apparatusus that had kept her alive. The patient
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claimed that she had an out of body experience during
which she had observed the room from above. Because Bo
was familiar with this kind of story, she did not
attach much significance to it, and so she was only
half listening to the patient. The patient, however, turned out
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to be suffering from obsessive compulsive disorder that centered on
remembering numbers, and this feature did catch Bo's attention. The
patient compled pulsively tried to commit to memory every number
she came across. The woman claimed that during her out
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of body experience, she had imprinted in her memory the
serial number of the respirator, which was to be found
on the very top of the machine. At that time,
respirators were some six feet in height. The patient chanted
the number, comprising of twelve digits. Bo and her colleagues
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wrote the number down, but thought no more of it.
One day, the respiratory specialist came to take the machine
from the room because the patient did not need it anymore.
A custodial staff member was therefore called to dust the
top of the respirator. A latter was needed to reach it.
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The man who dusted the machine proceeded to read out
exactly the same number as the one the patient had
observed from above. Wow, that's pretty extraordinary. Physician John Lerma
worked for ten years at the renowned Texas Medical Center
hospice at the Medical Center of Houston, Texas, and has
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written about visions that the dying may have. In his
book Into the Light, Lurma highlighted the following case, which
was instrumental in his decision to pursue a career as
a hospice physician. At the time of this case, doctor
Lerma was working as an intern at a hospital in
San Antonio, Texas. One night, several patients were brought to
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the hospital for emergency treatment, including Ricardo, aged eighty two,
a man who had collapsed while eating dinner. Lerma tried
to resuscitate this patient directly after the first electrical shock.
The patient's heart rhythm appeared to restore itself. Ricardo slowly
awake and mumbled something about the light and about an
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out of body experience. He also made a comparison with
a roller coaster. Ricardo was still bothered by chest pain,
so in order to distract him, Lerma asked the patient
to tell him more about the roller coaster. Ricardo then
described a classic beautiful near death experience, including meeting angels
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who had told him that he would survive. After the
short conversation, the patient had another cardiac arrest. The team
tried to resuscitate him by means of shock, but that
did not work this time. Only when Lerma delivered an
epinephrin injection into the patient's heart was the rhythm restored.
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The next day, Lerma went to see the new patients
and saw Ricardo waving at him and motioning that the
doctor should come see him first. He thanked doctor Lerma
for his efforts and also referred to the conversation about
the near death experience. Ricardo told Lerma the kind of
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lessons he had retained from the near death experience. Lastly,
he asked the intern to help him prove that his
experience had been more than just a dream. The patient said,
I was out of my body and floating up above
the trauma room when I spotted a nineteen eighty five
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quarter lying on the right hand corner of the eight
foot high cardiac monitor. It was amidst the dust, as
if someone had put it there for this very reason
a long time ago. Doctor Lerma, Could you please check
this for me? It would mean so much to me. Subsequently,
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Lerma took a ladder to the emergency room. He climbed
up the ladder in the presence of nurses. Lerma says,
to our total amazement, there it was just as he
had seen it, the quarter with even the year nineteen
eighty five on it. He argued that there appeared to
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be only two possible explanations for the correct description of
the quarter. Either Ricardo had placed the quarter there himself,
or he was truly able to see the coin in
his out of body state. He mentioned that Ricardo, from
a medical point of view, had not been in any
condition to climb the ladder for years. Lerma also could
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not establish a link with anyone who worked in the
emergency room. You know what I love about that story? Yes,
I love the verifiable evidence of the nineteen eighty five
quarter but because of that experience, the doctor John Lerma
went into being a hospice doctor and now he's got
the book into the light real life stories about angelic visits,
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visions of the afterlife, and other pre death experiences. Yep
I added that to my list, seventeen year old Mikayla
of Homer City, Pennsylvania, was on vacation with her family. Unfortunately,
she was the victim of a serious car accident caused
by the driver of a large truck. She was flown
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to an emergency room by helicopter. She had suffered serious
brain injury and wounds to her arms. The doctor who
gave Michaela trauma treatment in the helicopter, Scott Magley, said
he did his utmost to save her, but she still
slipped into a coma on arrival at the hospital. In
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this condition, Mikaela had a near death experience with a
panoramic review of her past along with a peak into
her future. Afterwards, she found herself up in the corner
of the hospital room, where she looked down on her
own boy. Then, Mikaela saw her parents sitting in the
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hospital cafeteria, with both of her grandmothers sitting across from them.
She said, my dad is a smoker, and he said
he was going to have a cigarette because he just
wanted to get some breathing room and get out of
there for a while. And it was funny because my grandmother,
my mom's mom, who would never ever ever have a
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cigarette in her life, said I need one too. I'm
going to have one of those. And then my other
grandmother said, yeah, me too. Two weeks later, Mikaela awoke
from her coma. She told her astonished mother that both
her grandmothers had suddenly started smoking with Mikaela's father. This
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event was confirmed by the mother. On their Near Death
Experience Research Foundation website, Jeffrey and Jodi Long presented the
account of a mother, Marnie s, who wrote about her
daughter's near death experience. When the little girl was only
two years old, she had an unexpected cardiac arrest and
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was unconscious for at least four minutes. She was resuscitated
at a hospital with the help of a defibrillator. Her
mother wrote a few months after being released from the hospital,
she told our then twelve year old daughter, I'm all
better now. Our older daughter responded with you are, how
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do you know that, Our two year old daughter said,
God told me. A few weeks later, we were sitting
around the campfire as a family, roasting marshmallows when our
daughter told us God came to see me when I
was at the hospital. He carried me up to the
sky when the doctors were putting something on me. He
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told me I was all better now and took me
back down to the hospital. Our daughter was very upset
that she had to return to the hospital. She really
wanted to go with God. A forty nine year old
man had a massive heart attack. The physician tried his
utmost to resuscitate him, but after some thirty five minutes,
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the doctor gave up. He had already started filling out
his death certificate when someone pointed out that there still
seemed to be life in the patient. The doctor tried
again and was successful at resuscitating him. The next day,
the patient was able to tell the doctor in great
detail what had happened in the emergency room. The man
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described the hairstyle on the nurse. He had even read
her last name on her name tag, which was Hawk's
time for the break. We'll be right back. You're listening
to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to
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Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. If you're interested
in more of these stories. The book The Self Does
Not Die has just been republished in the second edition
with twenty four new cases. In fact, they say within
the book there are one hundred and twenty eight total cases.
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When we started the show today, I spoke about lucid dreaming,
and I really believe it's the next frontier with not
only afterlife communication, but also self healing, getting to know
our higher self, and who knows what else is possible.
I want to read to you a story written by
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a fellow named Zach. He said, I tried lucid dreaming
for thirty days, and my life has changed forever. As
I get busier, I am constantly hunting for more hours
in my day. I know, however, from academic journals and
personal experience, that taking away hours from sleep is the
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worst possible option. But what if I could find some
extra time during sleep? What if that time was during dreams?
But how do I gain awareness of my dreams? How
will I know when I'm dreaming. Can I fly during dreams?
Can I study during dreams? Can I fight Darth Vader
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in an awesome lightsaber battle? One day, I was telling
one of my friends about one of my dreams, and
she said she had flown to Egypt to see the
pyramids in her previous dream. I was like, what, how
did you do that? She told me it was just
a regular lucid dream for her. Immediately I began researching
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what is lucid dreaming. For the next thirty days, my
life became all about lucid dreaming. I bought a lucid
dreaming book, read one hundred Reddit posts, watched Inception and Memento,
and bought a fancy journal and a pen. I went
to bed one night, prepared to have a lucid dream
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and fly to explore pyramids like my friend. I went
to bed and nothing happened. I was bummed. I had
to do something different. I decided to separate the next
thirty days into five day blocks, where I would commit
to one thing every five days. Stephen Leberge's book Exploring
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the World of Lucid Dreaming would be my guide. In
phase one, I should be recording every single dream. My
hab at night using a dream journal. I remember thinking, wait,
so I have to wake up in the middle of
the night, turn on a light, and write stuff in
a journal That sounds like a nightmare right there. However,
I did it. I wanted to have that epic lightsaber battle.
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I found waking up to be really tough. A couple
of times I woke up thought about journaling, but then
went right back to sleep. What motivated me was reading
all the stories from Leburge's book and the Internet. People
were speaking to long lost dead relatives, rehearsing for musical concerts,
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or canoodling with their favorite celebrity. At first, my recollection
of dreams was abysmal. I would remember maybe one sentence
describing the image of what had happened. Slowly, however, I
built up more and more details. Soon I was filling
the page with details from my dreams. My hunger was
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building for the lucid dream though, to go to the
next phase, phase two, reality checks. The idea behind reality
checks is that if you consistently check to see if
you're dreaming during real waking life, then eventually you will
begin to check to see if you are dreaming while
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you are dreaming. So I made the plan to do
this one reality check where I pinch my nose and
try to breathe through my nose. In real life, of course,
you can't breathe through a pinched nose, but when you
are dreaming, you can breathe through a pinched nose. I
scheduled myself to do reality checks whenever I noticed it
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was the hour marker. I remember feeling extremely silly when
I first started doing this, and on the streets people
would occasionally look at me like I was crazy. But
then something amazing happened. A couple days into doing reality checks,
I had my first lucid dream. I was stunned by
how vivid and real the dream world was. My brain
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is generating all these images and people and things, and
now I was really hooked. There was no way I
was going back. I wanted to have longer lucid dreams,
do cooler things in the dreams, and have them more frequently.
So I kicked it up a notch phase three mnemonic
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induced lucid dreaming. This was the mild technique. All mild
is is when you wake up late in the night,
you remember and record your dream, then you fall back asleep.
And you repeat to yourself, next time I'm dreaming, I
will remember I'm dreaming. Next time i'm dreaming, I will
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remember I'm dreaming, and so on, all the while imagining
what you would do when you remember you are dreaming.
Then I hit the wall. Even though I was super
motivate and committed, I found myself not having another Lucid
dream for a while. I was bummed. I thought the
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curve for Lucid dreams would be exponential, but I was wrong.
I began to lose interest in Lucid dreaming. One day
I didn't even do any reality checks. Another day, I
didn't record a single dream. Was it over? Was my
Lucid dreaming journey a thing of the past? Would I
ever fly off into space? During this time, I reached
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out to my original Lucid dreaming inspiration and she told
me that's okay, it happens. She also said it was
a very tough commitment. You need to stay with it.
I thought back to when I first started dreaming about
my very first and only Lucid dream and how awesome
it was, and I realized this was important to me.
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Getting extra time was important to me exploring the world
of my dream teams was important to me, and I recommitted.
Near the end of phase three, I was still not
having lucid dreams, but my dream recall was on an
all time high. I was recording multiple pages of dreams
per night. By the end of phase three, I knew
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I needed to change things up to add an ever
more powerful method, a more advanced one phase four wb TB.
For my final phase, I decided to use wake back
to bed method. The wake back to bed method and
tails waking up five or six hours after falling asleep
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and then falling asleep consciously, the idea being later in
the night, your REM cycle is at its longest duration,
and your REM cycle is when you dream. However, many
redditors and even Laberge indicated this method it isn't for
the week of art. Falling asleep consciously is difficult for
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a couple of reasons. Number one, you have to be
at the perfect level of arousal. If you just wake
up for a little while and then fall back asleep,
you won't have a wake into your prefrontal cortex enough
to help you think and recognize that you are dreaming.
But if you wake up too much, then you won't
fall back asleep. So after my ten day drought, I
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finally had another one. I fell asleep consciously. Things became
very blurry and there were loud noises, but I emerged
into the dream world. Then it just kept happening. Wake
back to bad method kept working. I had another lucid dream,
then another lucid dream. A couple days later, another lucid dream,
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and then another one, And then I was on lucid
dream number six. And in this one something intense happened.
I think my subconscious was talking to me, or a
part of myself was talking to me. There was a
figure that looked very similar to me that gave me
life advice. The dream character was urging me to be
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healthier and slow down. I had an amazing lucid dream
on my final night, night thirty. I was in a
playground surrounded by the ocean, and remember thinking that was weird.
But then I woke up. I immediately tried to go
back to bed using the mild technique, and found myself
in that same place. Instantly, I became lucid and remembered
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my intention to fly in space. What followed was an
experience I will never forget. I was flying through space,
experiencing different dimensions and different shapes, and had the happiest
feeling ever. The dream intensified my emotions to a point
where I was nearly in tears when I awoke. That's
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how amazing it was. I realized that there is so
much to explore, not only in the world but in
my head. Imagine the crazy things I could discover. If
I kept doing this for a year, my life will
never be the same. I needed to hear that myself,
to be honest, because I started off so strong and
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then it is hard to keep up with this. But
after reading all of those near death experience accounts where
people have this higher consciousness that's outside of their body,
I think that we can get to that same place
without having a near death experience. And this is through
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Lucid Dreaming. If you do some research, if you start
reading the free magazine at Lucid Dreaming magazine dot com,
you hear these stories from people, stories of healing, stories
of meeting their higher self, stories of connecting with their
deceased life. And while you may think it's just your imagination,
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there has been verifiable evidence coming from Lucid Dreaming to
prove that it's not all our imagination, certainly some of
it is. So I'm excited again and we'll see where
it goes if you're interested. That book by Stephen Leburge
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is called Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming, and the
book that I have been reading is Robert Wagoner's Lucid
Dreaming Gateway to the Inner Self. I want to remind
you that my home base is we Don't Die dot com.
Near the bottom of the page you can enter your
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name and email address. It says you get the first
few chapters of my book We Don't Die, a skeptics
discovery of life after death, but it's the whole book.
We have all kinds of good classes coming up, and
of course our free Sunday Gathering Inspirational Service two o'clock
New York time every Sunday with a free medium demonstration included.
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I'm Sandra Champlain. You've been listening to Shades of the
Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal
Podcast Network.
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