Cindy Crawford: Supermodel and Supermom

OG Supermodel Cindy Crawford joins Kate and Oliver for a supersized conversation! 
Cindy reveals everything from the tragedy that tore her parents apart, to her Hollywood-proof parenting style.

Plus, find out the connection between Cindy and Kate's ex-husband Chris Robinson, and the career she almost chose before she dominated catwalks across the globe.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
H I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Ravalry, No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Vely,
that's good.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I don't like looking at myself.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Is that how we're starting this podcast with one of
the most beautiful people in the world. I don't like
looking at myself.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well, I just want Cindy to think that I'm beautiful too,
you know, Oliver, Oliver.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oliver, you are beautiful.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Olia. I want you to say it with me, I
am beautiful, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Actually, I listened to this rom Dos thing this morning
on the way to school with being and I realized
that rom It's all about I am. Like, if you
can just sit with yourself and just be like comfortable
with saying I am just you are, you just are

(01:24):
all of the stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Oh, I totally get that. That's how I serve. That's
how I survive. I mean, because I have to keep
telling myself, I just am. It's just what it is.
I just am, it just is. Here's the problem. I'm
Liver cleanse working out, lost weight, feel great, but you
lose weight in your face and then I look, I

(01:48):
wish there's a way to keep weight in my face
and lose weight in my body, because you lose weight
and face the college and you look hollowed out.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
This is a very vain conversation. I love. But can
we can we include Cindy on this conversation?

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, bring her in.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I want to say. I want to just say, let's
just intro her. I have known Cindy a really long time, Cynthia,
and we are letting Cindy in. I've known her for many,
many years, and I'm very excited.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Hie II.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
We were just doing an introduction which then went into
all of our talking about the complication he's having with
a complication with his vanity.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
You make it sound like there's some sort of medical issue.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I was like, we need to bring Cyndy in on
this conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
No, here's the thing, Okay. I live a bit of
a debaucherous lifestyle, the sort of darker things, the underbelly
of life. I get to I'm attracted to. I like
the drinking, I like the smoking. I like the indulgence
of just all vices. For the most part, I need
to get better. I need to get I mean, look,
maybe it seems darker than it is. It's not that dark.

(03:02):
Although it can get darker.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
It gets it can get weird.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
I went on a liver cleanse. I am trying to
create a healthier lifestyle for myself. I'm doing pilates, I'm
working out. I feel great. I'm forty eight. I just
wish there was a way to like lose weight in
my body, but not in my face. I like when

(03:25):
my face looks full, I lose the weight and then
all of a sudden, I look like skeletor you know
what I'm saying, Like, I get gaunt, I get weird,
I need filler, I need whatever, I need both talks,
I need it all. Just go get a face lift
or that.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Spend all the money that you don't have, and you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
There's something out At a certain age, you have to
choose your ass or your face. At least that's what
I was told for women. And I'm like, chat my
face because more people see it. Yesically, I don't think
there is a way, honestly, like and I think we
see it a lot with people using like losing a
lot of weight rapidly right now, and like all sudden

(04:09):
their faces like.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Oh, that's crazy looking there.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I know, yeah, there's no secret. That's a thing. Like
everyone's like what and I'm sure kit you get you
probably don't get asket all the time. But women, doesn't
matter what you're doing, you're still getting asked your beauty secrets.
And I'm always like, the secret are There's no secrets.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
There's really no Yeah, it's just it's consistency. It's like
doing this that we all know right and like and
and honestly like the healthier you are, the bet I
think it's more like the better you look when your
body is strong and you have a little bit of
you know, I'm actually in a little bit of weight,

(04:50):
you know, not that you're not like so you know,
oh yeah, it's you know, a healthy body is a parent.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Health for young girls, though apparently that's a triggering word.
I've been told that health is oh really yeah, I
was told that, like that's like code for not thin,
so like, which is so new to me because like
healthy is always what I have been promoting since I
really started exercising, and I think, like most women, I

(05:21):
started exercising to look good in a swimsuit. But what
I found was that you know, when you're physically strong,
it translates to emotional like I felt strong, and I
think that's what kept me doing it and being consistent
over the years.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Health. If you can't say healthy, then what are you?
What are you supposed to say?

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well, they say they say like healthy body means like,
oh you have you're you're a little more like you
have more weight on.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
But that's what can we say anymore?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
You look hot? You look hot, you look so hot.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, if anyone object to that, I don't object to that.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Well, let me ask the whole on. Let me ask
a question though, because when you're talking about this, how
much how much weight is placed on internal health to
then bring out external beauty or health or whatever that means.
I don't know the right words anymore. And how much
is actually topical stuff?

Speaker 2 (06:22):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (06:23):
You mean like in Kate, please translate that ques everything?

Speaker 2 (06:28):
What do you mean? How what's the what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Like?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
What's the dip? What's your question?

Speaker 1 (06:33):
You can heal? You can meaning if you drink water,
if you if you eat correctly. How much does that
actually translate to sort of your physical appearance versus so huge, right,
versus like skincare and looking from the outside in rather
than the inside out.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I my whole thing is inside out.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
You.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Everything that's topical external is like a cherry on the
on the top. But if you are not, if your
microbiome and your gut isn't strong and healthy, it's not
going to translate into your skin, which is also a
whole other microbiome.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
You know, that's the foundation, Like all the taking care
of yourself. I would include in that like sleep, water,
you know, being careful with the sun, not smoking, hate
to tell you, you know, things in moderation. Those are
like the foundation of a house, and then all those

(07:32):
other things are like paint on the house. Would you
agreeate a thousand? I think it's for men though, because
like women focus on this starting when we're like I
don't know now. I think girls start in like puberty.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Oh my god, My daughter is eleven and her skincare
routine is like off the charts to the point where
I am wondering if it's healthy because she has such beautiful, young,
supple skin. Are you fucking it up with products?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Depends on the product.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
She's I mean, unfortunately that's what TikTok does to this generation.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Oh my god, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
All of our boys have a skincare routine. But you
know it's actually kind of nice to see because you know,
they start getting pimples and when they started to get
like my son loves to clean his face and make
sure that you know, he's all over. It doesn't like
want to pick anything, doesn't want a scar anything. It's

(08:30):
so different than what it used to be when we
grew up. We didn't even think about those things. We
had like a nutrient gena bar and like ponds and
like set a pill.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yes, I guess like everything there's pros and ponds. It's
just the kind of maybe too much focus on, as
Oliver was saying, like the outside in well to finish
my thought, like women, we start thinking about this stuff,
like I've had I'm fifty eight, right, so I've been
thinking about skincare and health for now. I just like

(09:04):
to say over twenty years because anything he sounds so old,
but really thirty eight years right that I've since I
turned twenty. Yeah, and so, but like I even noticed
my husband like he never thought about what he ate,
never thought about his skin until, like, for sure, even
in his fifties. You know, you guys have a lot

(09:25):
of catching up to.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
But does Randy into the skincare now into health, into
optimal optimization of the body.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Is Randy is Cindy's Yeah, I'm sure everybody's.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Sorry, right, Is he into this?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
He's look, I think most men like for him, the
main priority for him is to be able to continue
to do the things that he did. He wants to
be able to play basketball or go play well and
you know, maybe he's a little bit more sore the
next day, but he wants to still be able to
compete at the same level. I think sometimes like he'll
be like, oh, your skin looks good, and then I

(10:02):
noticed like he'll be like using something.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Like he'll be all of a sudden, your mindful beauty,
Your mindful beauty is to the moved over.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Now hold on, let me keep going down this road.
Is is this still attractive? I'm just saying, like, isn't
there something nice about a guy who you know, fucking
smokes drinks?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, you're so old fashioned.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
The cool factor of things?

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Oh well that is so hot?

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, you're like you are, Yeah, is that still hot?
I mean, is that not hot anymore?

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Is live a long time and I wanted to be
healthy and be able to do the things that I
could do. I think, especially at a certain age, it doesn't.
It becomes about like longevity and you know, health, health
being being able to like go for a hike or
whatever it is you want to do like that. Even now,
when I exercise, my number one goal is not to

(10:57):
get hurt because I want to be able to exercise tomorrow.
So you know, I definitely am more careful with like
maybe trying like some crazy thing with a kettlebell.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
What do you think? I also think like modeling behavior
is attractive to me. So like for me, a man
that has sort of a healthy boundaries healthy lifestyle is
like focused on, you know, the things that make him
feel good and is like just attractive because of what

(11:29):
it's giving your family, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
So basically, basically, when we see Randy on the Cosamigo's
ads in the on the motorcycle, he's just had a
colonic green juice and has slathered himself in sunblock and
essential oils, yet he looks like he's just come from
a bar on all my maybe the essential oils.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
I was gonna say, maybe one drop of sun the
sunscreen mixed with water, like he sunscreens so much. I
try to get him a living Yeah, because his dad
did it that way. It's just so funny, like he
puts water with the sunscreen and and like there's no
there's none left by the time you touch your face.

(12:10):
But he's getting a little bit better. No, he doesn't
do like he for sure would never do a colonic.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
I've actually done that.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I just love I love a good clon.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
I did it once at that week care place. And
I don't think this is for me, but maybe if
I had like an illness or something I was trying
to really like.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
I needed to hit it.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
But that's still something I would often.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I have to say this before we get into you know,
all of our fun questions we have for you. But
I did all of our I did a film with
Kaya and we went to Toronto together. We just came back
and I had I spent some good time with Kaya,
Indy and Randy's daughter, and on the movie we didn't

(13:04):
really work together. We just we just had like makeup
tests together and I had to text Cindy, and I
texted Cindy because you know, when you you watch a
kid grow up in Los Angeles and you know, obviously
with famous parents and everything, and you always wonder, like

(13:25):
how that kid's going to turn out. You know, Aya
is so great and so smart and so wonderful. And
I had the we had the best time together. She's
got such a she's got such a great head on
her shoulders, and she's so well read, and I just
I was so impressed, and it said everything about you

(13:48):
guys as parents. I really really was, just like I
just I hadn't felt like that about a young kid
in a long time. She's so adult and and good person.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
She kind of came out that way like you know,
you've been at five years old. You know, at dinner conversation,
she'd be like, I'm world peace. You know, that was
always her. But I will say she loved she loved
spending time with you, and I think that, you know,
for her to have that connection of someone else who
grew up at least in a similar way where she

(14:24):
you know, she went into modeling first before she did acting,
so following her mom's footsteps. Growing up in LA with
famous parents, and you know, there's just that's like pretty
rarefied air. So for her to share that with you,
and she just felt so she was like, I just
let Kate run the show. She just felt very safe
with you. So thank you.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
It was so it was so great. She's so she's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
And by the way, on that topic, though, how did
you was there a conversation you and Randy might have
had or understanding, you know, the world that your children
were going to grow up in. How did you navigate that?
You know what I'm saying, because we had it a
certain way obviously, and it was very sort of try
to be as normal as we could possibly be. Obviously

(15:18):
we're living in a different technological time right now. But
you know, how did you guys navigate all of that?
Were there conversations?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
I think that thing, and this is just a recent
realization that we had, is that you know, we didn't
grow up famous Randy nor I, so like we didn't understand,
for instance, if we'd be at Noble or something with
our kids. This is before it was the fancy one
on Sage when it was like and that's where we
would go for sushi, and like if we would tell

(15:50):
our kids, hey, don't run around the restaurant or whatever.
They didn't know if it was because we were famous,
like or because that's just kids don't run around restaurants. Like.
We never took the time to say, and this isn't
because we're famous, This just is how normal parents parent
their kids, or how we were parented whatever. I don't

(16:10):
know that there is such a thing as normal, but like,
we didn't understand the impact that that would have on
the kids, like you guys will because you guys will
raised that way. If that's just a whole other layer
that we never It's not that we didn't consider it,
but we just didn't know how to address it. I
think that we tried to raise them like they went

(16:32):
to public school. That's part of the reason we moved
to Malibu so they could go to public school. And
we the one decision that Randy and I made were like,
we're not going to not do things because we're worried
about paparazzi. You know, yeah, Like our kids would get
paparazzi sometimes because we wanted to go to the countryre

(16:54):
in Malibu and walk around like normal people. And I
think I think that was the biggest conversation we had
about it. But it is something hard to navigate, like I'm.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Sure, yeah, well, I mean I remember, you know, I
reflect on these feelings that I used to have when
I was a young son and sitting with mom and
people coming up and wanting her attention, and it was
detracting from her energy towards me, and I hated it.

(17:29):
It would make me angry when people would come up
to the table and want autographs and interrupt what we
were doing. And it was this invasion for me as
a young boy, you know what I mean, who needed
his mother, No doubt about that as well. So it
was definitely a negative experience in that on that side
for me, whereas Kate was like, bring it on.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
No.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
I think people think it's one way, but I think
you become more of an observant observer when you grow
up that way. It's like you really see what's happening
around you when sometimes the parent that is in the
center of the attention is trying to ignore it. And

(18:16):
as a kid, you're seeing everything, you know, so you
sort of have a little bit more of like a
you become more of a witness. I know, I've taken
that into my adulthood. You know, I kind of feel
like I leaned back and see it more than just
existing in it. Do you feel that, welly.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Kate?

Speaker 3 (18:38):
So how now do you do that for your kids? Like?
How taking what you learned as being the child of
how has that impacted being the mother.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
The weird thing is is that when we were kids,
it wasn't necessarily paparazzi as much as it was fans.
What happened with me when I came famous, it was
like it was that it was sort of this new
world of internet paparazzi, like all of those sites. So
like I would go to a restaurant and there'd be

(19:13):
like twenty papos outside, and then I'd get cars chasing me.
I didn't grow up like that. That was that was like,
you know, and so.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Back in the day it was just the airport. You're
like walking out of the gate all of a sudden,
like eighty paparazzi come out of nowhere like.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
You're a litwit. That was what we had in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
That was the eighties.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
But other than that, like I remember taking my kid
to preschool and there was some other you know, people
who also were celebrities that kid were there, and there'd
be paparazzi outside the school, and I remember my son saying,
why are those people taking our picture? And it's like,
how do you explain fame to a three year old? Like, like,

(19:56):
how do you even explain that I was? I was
like a really good question.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
You know, well, I'm not nearly as famous as you guys.
But the way that I've dealt with it, when my
kids have ever asked me, I'd be like, they'd be like,
why is this person wanting to take a picture with you?
I say, because I'm really fucking famous. That's what I
tell them.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I I I actually had some moments that felt really
sad because like I just wanted to take Rider to
the park, and like I remember like crying on the
side of the road in a car in New York
because we couldn't get out of the car. And I
just felt like a failure as a mother, Like I
can't even take you to the park without this, It's

(20:43):
like and then of course I had to reflect on
what I was doing in my personal life to even
have these people following me around. I'm like, maybe I
need to straighten myself out a little bit, but there's
a little bit of like, you know, but then then
you get to the point where you realize, like I
think it's what age does when you're younger. It's like

(21:05):
this is happening to you. When you get older, you
just sort of start to ignore it. It's like it
doesn't even matter. And that's sort of what you tell
the kids, like I just ignore it. They'll go away.
The way it's like, at the end of the day,
it means nothing, and that's what you tell the kids,
like this doesn't mean anything. Let's just keep walking. And
you know, I think that's that's how I've handled it.

(21:27):
But Ronnie gets scared. It's really interesting. She's the only
kid of mine that really doesn't like like really it
makes her get anxious. And I had to do this
whole thing where I was like, listen, I didn't know
what to say, so I finally just said, Ronnie, all

(21:49):
you have to do is there just here to take
the picture. You just smile, just smile, and we're gonna
go to the carver on fun day and she's crying
and then cut to I was like, we have to leave,
we have to get out of the hotel. Hell, you know,
we have to leave this. And we walked outside and
she's she started smiling in a way that is one

(22:09):
of the funniest pictures of all You just put this
smile on. From balling to smiling. It was like, oh show,
damn funny. But I just think you kind of don't
pay it any mind, right, that's sort of the only
way to get through it.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Well in a way, that's what you were saying. Your
mom was doing. Yeah, right, right, So it's full circle.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
You just full circle. Cindy. You grew up in Illinois.
Can you explain like what, like what where in Illinois
did you grow up? What did the neighborhood that you
grew up look like?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
So? I grew up sixty miles straight west of Chicago,
small town, surrounded by Cornfield. It's very not even really suburban.
It was small town, but there was a university in
my town, so it wasn't quite as like country bumpkin.
I guess as you as it could have been like

(23:11):
other towns close to me. One high school though, So
that's like you know, you knew in high school, you
knew every other high school or in your town. Blue
collar parents or dad my dad was like a he
basically was like an electrician at one point, different manual

(23:31):
labor jobs. But my parents got married, or my mom
got pregnant when she was sixteen, so they got married
I think when she was sixteen or seventeen.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
How old was your dad?

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Eighteen?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Like, they were nice, god, wow wow.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
But it was interesting because I always kind of felt
like that was like something that they would view as, Oh,
I wish that hadn't happened. But I had a conversation
with both of them in the last five years where
they were happy, like it wasn't I guess it wasn't
so strange then either. But anyway, so they got married,

(24:07):
they had four kids, you know, just a very simple,
little blue collar life that was great. I had tons
of cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents and everything
was great. And then my brother died when I was
almost ten. He had a chemia, and I think obviously

(24:27):
that that was probably like the first major event of
my life and also impacted our family because my parents
dealt with grief very differently, and my dad kind of
I mean, I'm close to my dad now, but he
definitely went off the rails for a while just I
think displaced grief, and so then my parents ended up

(24:50):
getting divorced. But even still, like I would say I
had a happy childhood even with those tragedies, because I
think I had enough unity and family and church, like
I had enough support around me to help me get.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Through those peaks older or younger.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
He was the baby, so he was diagnosted with bichmia
when he was two, and he died right before it
was four. Oh God, And he was the only boy,
so that was really hard for Like I thought it
would have been easy one of the girls.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
But you know how many siblings.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I have an older sister and a younger sister, and
I'm super close to both of them, and I was like, oh,
I almost wish like one of them would have been
in town to join us today because I would have
been such big fans of both of my sisters. They
both became teachers, and now one works for a charity

(25:46):
and the other one bought a bookstore. But you know,
is as different as our lives are, like they're they're
my first call normally, you know, mm hm, that's the best.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
It's just so interesting though, going back, how you talk
about how two people deal with grief completely differently, and
how that can be a deal breaker where everything is
moving along, you know, seemingly well in a relationship and
the tragedy strikes and then you reveal your you reveal
your grief to each other because you can't in your

(26:19):
regular relationships. Something has to happen, and that can be
the rift that is just like I can't we're not
on the same page here.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, I was a little I wish it so that
sounds a little more evolved what happened with my parents.
But what I will say is my dad had to
go back to work three days later. I mean, oh,
it was like it built and so I think that,
you know, my mother has a very strong faith, and

(26:50):
she went to death and dying courses and you know,
really had like a church community around her. My dad
was back at work three days later, crazy, and so
I don't even think he was given the luxury of
grieving really, And then I think it started coming out
and some kind of bad behavior.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
In other ways are yeah, it's it's but it's so
funny when because when you said they grieved differently, like
that was the first thing that popped in my mind too,
which is like what I think about that. You know,
you hear these stories about families that a child passes
away and it really breaks them apart, you know, and

(27:29):
then you are the stories where it really brings people together.
We have friends who lost a child and they just
it's they're so strong or unit is so strong.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
That's the exception. That's the exception, because I think the
divorce among people that lose a child is something like
seventy to eighty percent.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
That's crazy. Yeah, not even.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
It's kind of it's probably just that every time you
look at that person, it just it's like opening the wound.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I don't even blaming or breathing different, but like, I mean,
there's probably so many different reasons why people can't weather
that storm because it's just unthinkable. I mean, you guys
both have kids, so you know, you don't even want
to think about what that would do.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
But as a ten year old, I mean, how does
one process that? Do you have hard recollection of those moments?
I mean that's such.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah. I think you know, we weren't like like therapy
and that kind of stuff wasn't even in our family vocabulary.
So really, I think what got me through it was
looking to my mom and she because she did the
work of breathing, which I really do think it's work,

(28:44):
you know, you she was a great kind of leader
for us in that and she was able to explain
death to my ten year old self. That that made
me feel like, okay, this is you know, and but yeah,
of course there's still there were still Like going back

(29:05):
to school was weird because again, as we do not
know how to give condolences as a society, like right,
like no one knows even if you know something terrible
happened to someone, sometimes you're like, oh, I don't know
if I should say something or not true, right, And
I feel like that is a skill that we should
all go on. And so I remember going back to

(29:29):
school and no one said anything to me except for
one kid was like, oh, I heard your brother died
or something. I read it my parents read it in
the paper. And I was like, I didn't know what
to say, and you know, like I was embarrassed that
my brother died when I went back to school, which
was such a weird feeling. But because not even the teacher,
like no one addressed it, and it was I was

(29:50):
definitely confusing but again, I just kept looking to how
my mom was dealing with it, and I think that
really helped me get through it.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Do you still so, I guess you're so young, Like
what is your relationship to that loss now as an adult?

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Well? Wow, I mean I have very few, Like, of
course I can recall my brother, but some of it
I don't even know if it's because of stories or pictures,
do you know what I mean? Like that was so young,
but I think probably And it sounds weird to say
it this way, but I'm going to say it anyway.

(30:37):
One of the gifts I got from that experience was
understanding that life is fragile and like, don't take it
for granted. And I think a lot of people like
they don't experience loss until much later in life, and
so maybe they're more cavalier about time and their lives.
And I guess understanding that at a young age and

(31:00):
it wasn't terrifying to me. It just was like wow,
like we aren't immune and part of me, I don't
know how this happened, but I kind of almost saw
my brother as like you know how rockets have an
engine that like gets them into space and then that

(31:20):
rocket falls away, and that just became a picture in
my mind that I was able to feel like like
Jeff was part of this energy for me. And also
because I am like, I'm Christian and so like to me,
death wasn't like just like okay, you're dead and that's it,
you know, I had that idea of what death was.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Mm hmm comforting.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Faith is so sortant such an I sometimes think about this.
I think about this a lot, like because I believe,
you know, in a bigger story than what we're doing
here just on this on this earth plane, you know,
I it has to be Yeah, I just, I just

(32:08):
and I feel a strong connection to f to faith,
to uh and I do have faith, and but I
I I find that we're losing sight of it so
much that so there's so many people don't have a
sense of faith. And one of the great things about
faith is community. Like when you talk about that to

(32:31):
the support and your belief your faith, that that this
isn't it, that you're so connected. It's like when people ask, like,
what's going on with this generation, You're like, I really
think that's the word. I think sometimes it's not having
that faith in something with faith brings people to a

(32:54):
table together to talk about you know, to to to
or or brings around a table to you know, celebrate
whatever it is that are celebrating. Faith brings you to
a church. Faith brings you, you know, a sense of.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Like comfort, great right, because comfort, yes, right, Faith and
religion are two completely different things in my opinion, you know.
I mean I can have you know, I say, faith
in this iPhone, that this is what's going to keep
me safe and this is what's going to give me comfort,
you know. And as long as I believe enough that
this iPhone is going to take me through the hard

(33:29):
times and I have true, deep faith in it, then
you know that will be the best course for me.
I think kids only. I can only say this because
I witness it with my children. But they're not It's
not conspiracy theories, but it's like, are we living in
a simulation? Are there aliens? Now? Like there's a whole

(33:50):
new world that these kids are sort of at least
my kids are sort of glombing onto again TikTok and
all the insanity that goes along with it, you know,
But their ideas are not faith based. They're sort of
bigger ai simulation based. Is this world real?

Speaker 3 (34:09):
I feel that way. I'm always like I like my matrix.
I'm staying in my mat like whatever, because we can
get so overwhelmed with everything. That's all the noise that's
going out on in the world, you know, and sometimes
I just like I'm like, okay, but today, right now,
I'm good, I'm happy, I'm healthy, have my family or whatever.

(34:32):
But back to faith, even if it is just which
I don't believe, but let's just say I know a
lot of people do, even if it is just a
way to keep the masses. Like for me, if if
it was just that it did it does help when
you lose someone. So I've had friends who've you know,
lost parents or spouses or whatever. And if you don't

(34:55):
have faith, it's.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Really you feel so lost. Yeah, it's like it's like
Carl Sagan's great quote. You know, this earth, this planet
is only bearable through love, Like this vast planet is
only really bearable when you if you have love.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
It's funny because my mother, like when I was young,
I saw I used to call her like Pollyanna, and
I didn't mean it as a compliment, like I was like, oh,
she's always like she always likes everybody, show sees the
positive and everything. And then as I've gotten older, I realized, like,
what a great quality that is, Like what a great choice,

(35:39):
And it is a choice she made. She had a
lot of bad things happened to her, you know, she
lost her son, her her husband went off the rails,
you know, and she still was the glass half full person.
So something that I kind of mocked is like, you know,
when we're like eighteen or twenty and we're like reading
philosophy and we we know more than our parents. The

(36:04):
thing that I admire about my mother the most is
that she chose to be a Pollyanna. It's not that
she didn't know or didn't experience, it's just she made
that choice. And I think that's really brave.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I love that, and I think that more people should
think that way, because we are so quick to pass
judgment on the smallest things that are discomforting to us,
or someone does something bad to us, immediately throw all
the babies out with the bathwater. It's like, oh, you
did this, now fuck everything else about you, rather than no,

(36:44):
there's probably amazing parts of this person, but they have
their own afflictions, their own issues that they have to
deal with, which maybe were passed down from their parents,
that were passed down from their fucking parents. I mean,
everyone has their story, so why not look at the
things and understand why they are who they are rather

(37:04):
than just giving them the middle finger. I totally agree
with people like your mom.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
People like your mom are just so probably I mean,
I'm putting this word into your mouth, but are incredibly forgiving,
you know, like those forgiving? Is she forgiving?

Speaker 3 (37:24):
You know? But yes, yes, but not in a again,
I think, you know, like my less you know, my
more teenage or young twenty eyes didn't understand like, yeah,
she's not dumb, like she wasn't just like giving away
her power. I think because my mom really didn't work

(37:46):
until I was, you know, almost in middle school. I
just like I wanted to be a career woman and
my mom wasn't the representation of what I what the
life that I saw for myself. But again, it just
it took me time to understand that so many ways

(38:07):
she was what I wanted to be, you know, it
just different.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
So how old were you when you were, like, I
know what that like? Did you know you wanted to
model or were you discovered.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
I probably would have been a teacher, honestly, but I
wanted to be either a nuclear physicist or the first
woman president, just because they were like big. I was like,
I know, I'm getting out into help. Even though I
loved it, I knew that for whatever reason, I was like,
I wanted a bigger life. But both my sisters, as
I said before, are both teachers, and we used to

(38:41):
play school, and I probably would have ended up being
a teacher. I did not never thought about modeling. That
wasn't a real job then, Like I think my dad
thought it was like a nice word for prostitution. When
I first got job modeled, and like my peers, it
came with me to meet the agency, and you know,

(39:02):
my dad was pretty suspect for a while, but it
just happened. It was like an opportunity. And I had
done you know, I had babysat and paper routes and
worked in a clothing store and worked in a cornfield,
like I had done all those jobs, and modeling sure
paid better and it seemed like okay, I can do

(39:22):
this and then and still go to college. But very
quickly it was like too much to do both, so
I dropped out and moved to New York and it
worked out.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Did you love it or was this like I need
to make money and it's I'm making money, or was
there did you actually love being a model?

Speaker 3 (39:41):
You know, it's so interesting because first of all, I
don't know if like my generation, like I think anyone
told you, like I just want you to be happy.
You got to do what you love. Like that's that's
a lot of pressure on a kid, Like I know
for my kids, they're like, oh, I don't know what
I love. But even for me, I I had to
make money for sure, like without at my parents put

(40:04):
were not supporting me, like you know, so and I
liked it, and then I think I started loving it
because I got to travel, I was financially independent, And
it's a skill like anything, and you get better at it.
And you know, because I think I was a student
and I was an observer, I learned and like I

(40:28):
have confidence now in my skill as a model. And
I think a lot of people they just think modeling
is only about the way you look, and obviously that's
a big aspect of it, but you can become a
better model, So I you know, I really like it,
you know, and because it's it's a different version of
storytelling in a way.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
And how are your sisters when you started to kind of,
you know, become the Cindy Crawford.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
I think for my older sister, because she was like
just a little bit ahead of me in life, I
don't think that that was hard for her, Like I
don't think she ever felt I don't know, she just
wasn't looking backwards, right. But I do think for my
younger sister, there was times where because I was valedictorian

(41:19):
and my younger sister was also a really good student,
but she she was valedictorian and then I went off
and became a model and so in a weird way,
and she was four years she is four years younger
than me, so I think there was more pressure on
her like well why aren't you doing you know, and
being compared to me, whereas I don't think my older
sister got compared to me in the same way. So

(41:41):
I do feel like there was some point where it
might have been hard for my little sister, But I
mean that was so many years ago, and I think,
thank God, both of my sisters are very happy in
their own lives, like in some ways, I don't even
think they would want my life because they you know,
they've seen the good and the bad of everything, you know,

(42:03):
and and now we you know, we connect as mothers
and wives and sisters and daughters. We really and I'm
proud of them. So I think there's no issues. But
you know, it's like an adjustment, right, like when you
go from being just one of like the Crawford girls,

(42:23):
to all of a sudden like I'm you know, on
the cover of magazines or getting all this and my
mother would say, like people would say to her, oh,
how's your daughter, And my mother would intentionally not tell
them about me. She would tell them about one of
my other two sisters. That's amazing, that one, and then

(42:44):
she'd go to the other one and they're like, no,
the famous one. But so I think the way my
mom treated it was also probably very helpful to my sisters.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Did you have to protect yourself and advocate for yourself,
especially early on, given sort of the world that you
were in in and thrust into, you know, especially probably
back then, you know, I'm sure it was extremely misogynistic.
I'm sure there were crazy pitfalls, there was dangers, there
was you know lechery. You know, how did you how

(43:14):
did you deal with that?

Speaker 3 (43:16):
I mean, I guess I was a little lucky because
I wasn't sixteen, you know, I was twenty by the
time I moved to New York, which was you know,
old ancient by model model years. I feel very fortunate
because I didn't. I don't have like a horror story,
and I do know a lot of models that found
themselves in situations that were pretty you know, not good.

(43:41):
But I also feel like part of the way that
I was raised, and I guess because I had self
confidence from being good at school, I found my voice.
There's a few times where I got talked into doing something,
but nothing, nothing too bad, and like the way that
I felt afterwards, it empowered me for the next time.

(44:01):
So you know, sometimes we do have to learn the
hard way. I'm sure. I'm sure, Kate, you've had even
and I bet like your mom probably thought like, no
one will fuck with my daughter because they know I'm
in the business. But it doesn't necessarily work that way.
Because I felt the same both of my kids with modeling.
I felt, oh, no one's gonna try anything with them

(44:22):
or fuck with them because they know, like I, and
it wasn't true. They find their own you know.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah, your era, that's like supermodel era because I was
I was a little girl with all of you on
my wall, you know, and you know, to take all
our things out of vogue and do collages and you

(44:55):
were all over my wall. But I feel like I
feel like that era, that sort of nineties, uh supermodel.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, my god, yeah, that George Michael freedom era.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, that you that that there was so many There
was also so many like drugs. It was just part
there's a lot of partying happening.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
That wasn't my scene.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
I mean, yes, and you you didn't. You didn't engage
in that kind of world.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
I wonder if that allowed you to be able to
like sort of see I don't know, I mean did
were you always looking at like what your next step was?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Like? No, No, I get too much credit entirely. But
I was not a party girl for sure, and I
did not like being out of control. So and also,
I mean I probably was so nice because people would say, oh,
they were doing so much blow. I'm like, really like
I because I don't do I don't recognize it, do

(46:01):
you know? I mean a little less it's you know,
out on the table, then I probably would figure it out.
But even here's a story, kid, I don't like. I
was inner. I worked for MTV and I was doing
like at the VMA's like backstage fashion or something, and
Chris was there, Robinson and and I was like, oh,
he had these really cool like swede pants on with

(46:22):
leaves and border dominal legs. And I'm like, just you know,
I'm like, oh, those are so cool. What kind of
leaves are there? And he said cannabis? And I in
this I'm not kidding. I was not acting at all.
I was like, what's that? And that now I'm like,
oh no, I then I go I was able to
save it. I think I'm like, oh, just kidding, but truly,

(46:45):
like I had never heard the word cannabis before. So
I think my kind of midwestern you know, just being
a naive girl. That probably saved me from some of
the cd R side of the fashion industry while I
was figuring out, like, okay, how to say no to

(47:05):
what I wasn't okay with.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, amazing, because I always saw you healthy the triggering
word I have to figure out, but I always saw
you to me, you were always like the healthy, like
supermodel like you were more like sporty and you know,
had like you always had like your shape was always

(47:29):
so gorgeous, and it was you know what I mean,
I just you. You. You embodied something different than I
mean everybody. I guess everybody was a little but there
was something that felt I guess wholesome would be the word.
I guess you were the sexy wholesome one, the hot, sexy, wholesome,
healthy Cindy.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
I think me it just I When I got to
New York, I realized, like, oh, I have to exercise
in order to fit in these clothes. You know, Like
I grew up eating you know, meat and potatoes in
the Midwest. I did not know anything about nutrition and
not that meat and potatoes are bad. I'm not saying that,
but I I had to learn, okay, you know, how

(48:12):
to do this, and part of that was fitness for
me and my I just was never want to like
the little skinny like you know, wave type. That's just
not my natural body type. So my options were, you know,
at lease keep it fits. That became that became part
of major whatever.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
We don't have like a ton of time left, but
I want to hear the I want to hear you
met Randy. I know if I told a million times,
but I don't know, Like, how did that all go down?

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Was?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Where did you meet Randy?

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:43):
We met. So my agent was getting married and my
agent also went to summer camp with Randy when they
were kids, and so I was coming alone to the
wedding and Randy was, I mean alone to the wedding.
And there were also two other guys coming alone to

(49:04):
the wedding, and so my agent at the time said,
why don't you just have one of these guys chaperone?
You and I knew the other two, and I'm like
no and no. But Randy was like door number three.
I didn't know, and we agreed to meet O. Kate.
I don't know if you were ever at his first
bar in New York. I know you were a little.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Oh yeah, what was it called whiskey?

Speaker 2 (49:27):
That was the worst one?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Whis yeah? Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Anyway, Randy open that and it was kind of cool
because we weren't meeting as a date like it was
so I think what was interesting about that is you
weren't on a date behavior, you weren't like, oh wow,
everything you've said, it's just fascinating. You know, I was
really meet because I wasn't trying to impress him, and

(49:53):
I think he wasn't trying to impress me. And also
he was in his place, so it was like, oh,
that's cool. I got to I got to kind of
see him doing his thing. So we agreed, okay, let's
let's go together. The next night, he was late. I
am usually always very punctual. I do not like lateness,
so I'm waiting in my lobby like tapping my foot

(50:15):
really annoyed. This this is before cell phones, and you know,
we get to the wedding late. But and this is
he had brought a bottle of tequila, which we did
shots in the car and then we co checked the
bottle of tequila. So it's actually funny that he started
at tequila company later in life. And anyway, we had
a great time at the wedding. So that's how we met,

(50:36):
and I think our friends like we had like this
foundation and obviously I was attracted to him, but like
we never went through that awkward stage where I had
to say, you know what, I actually really don't like
baseball or whatever. That's the thing that date sometimes where
you're trying to like be so all fun, and I
think that cut out a lot of like on doing

(50:59):
the you know, like we just instantly were ourselves, not
our best.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Version, and then and then and then you and then
and then how long before it was like, oh my god,
like this is I think I'm in love with you.
It's just I mean, I mean, he is pretty hot.
I don't think he's hot, of course, but hot's not everything, Kate.
It's about the inside too.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
One of the things I really love about Randon continue
to love about Randy is he's very comfortable in his
own skin and and he doesn't need to be the
center of attention at all, like, in fact, he doesn't
like it, so that kind of I don't know. I
just found that very attractive. But it was a little complicated,

(51:45):
which I won't go into here. But we eventually we
were married, probably like two years later. And yeah, we've
been married.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Twenty it's been twenty hour how many years now?

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Twenty five?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Wow? And never jealous, no jealousy, Like, guys, I'm only
I'm projecting because I've been with Aaron for twenty four years.
I was I was super jealous. I was the beginning
of so jealous. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
A little sometimes I'm like, can I make him jealous?
But I think the guy jealous and that's At first
it feels good because you're like, oh wow, they're so
into me, they're so jealous, But then you realize how
quickly that can turn.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
So I have that with Danny. I'm like, aren't you
like ever can you just be jealous once? And then
I'm like, this is the greatest relationship I've ever had
because there's so much we have so much trust, and see,
he just never gets jealous.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I've been I'm fine now it's been a million years.
But in the beginning, I needed to know every dude
she was with. I needed to know every sexual encounter
that happened with that guy. I needed to know the
size of his crum. I needed to know everything. I mean,
I know because I don't want to. I don't want

(53:03):
to run into some man secure. I don't want to
run into the dude and all of a sudden're like,
oh my god, Aaron, Hey, what's up? And immediately I'm thinking,
did you bone this guy? Is you know? I mean,
I just don't want that. I had to know everything.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I met Randy when I was trying to get into
his bars underage, and and he'd let me. I did
get into his bars, no, I I but he is
the reason why I met Chris really because I went
to I was at the Sunset Marquee and I went

(53:37):
into the Whiskey Bar. So I snuck into the whiskey bar.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
That was Wendell, the door guy.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
That's right, Wendell.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, yeah, gosh, bless him.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Wendell was the yes And I went in there and
I was I was eighteen, and I was sitting and
Johnny Ramone introduced me to Chris and Linda. Johnny and
Linda Ramone just said, oh, you should meet Chris and
introduced me and he it was so rude. He was
so mean Chris, and I was like, this guy is

(54:08):
such an asshole. And because he looked at me, He's
like how old are you? And I was like nineteen
and he's like, what are you doing in here? And
then a year later I met him and and then
you know, he was like, I met you at the
Whiskey bar and I was like, yeah, he was much nicer.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
I hope, I'm going to say. And I fell in
love with him being such an ass.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
And immediately immediately it was love. No, but but Randy
really was like that. Randy was always a part of
those moments with when I met Chris and in the
beginning Randy's brother Big Crows Fan and Deadhead, and so
we were always.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Still is he lived at the sphere?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
This sum I'm sure my god, oh man, Okay, what
advice do you give your daughter when she said I'm
going to model? Mom? You know, everybody always asked me this.
It's my most annoying question I get as a daughter
of It's like, what advice does your did your mother
give you? But as a mother, you know, I know

(55:24):
what my advice. But but the other way around, when
she sort of entered into the that sphere, what what
was your sort of like going away parting words to
Kaya as she.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
And before you answered that to preface this, like Kate
wanted to be an actor, you know from the get
Mom wouldn't let her do movies or TV until she
was eighteen years old, Like it was a big thing.
You can do plays, You've been offered a million different things.
You have the talent to do it, but you are

(56:00):
not doing it until you're eighteen, and.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
In retrospect, do you agree with that.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Decision of Yeah, I'm glad she did it. I mean
she and then she just threw me to the wolves. Bye.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Funny because my son started his first job when he
was fifteen, and it was at this little place called Sunlight.
It's like a smoothie ra Joice places. And here's the
advice I gave him, And it's honestly the same advice
I gave kaya in for fashion beyond time. Be prepared

(56:38):
and stay off your phone. And because all the other stuff, well,
hopefully she has good manners, she knows how to conduct
herself all that stuff, like you're doing it as a
parent for their you know, first ten fifteen years of
their life, right, But in terms of like her, I

(57:01):
can't teach her how to model. I mean, she was
on set with me, she had her picture taken, so
I think she had a comfort level probably like you
guys did of even like what a set looked like
or whatever. She knew certain photographers or hairdressers or make
up people, but really like little bird, go fly like

(57:22):
figure it out. So I kind of I mean, because
I feel like your mom as much as you say,
she just like threw you to the wolves, but she
was probably the person you called if you should I
do this? Should I do that? And yeah, you know
because I stard a model when she was sixteen, the
first two years of her life, like someone always went
with her. If it wasn't me, it was our nanny

(57:44):
who still works for us. You know. It was like
someone was always with her. And I was much more
involved than what she should do, what she shouldn't do
with who, blah blah blah blah. But at a certain point,
and it was probably more around nineteen twenty, I didn't
want to be that momma. I wanted to just be
mom again, because I think being mammager's tricky because you

(58:06):
you know, like when your mom, your only thing you
care about is your kid. When your mom and your
part of you is trying, you're looking at like, oh,
is this good for the career or whatever? I mean,
I would always default to mom, but it's not as clean. Yeah,
it's great, she can, she can have a manager whatever

(58:26):
that they know their job and I'm just mom and
it's much help. It's healthier for both of us now.
But she'll still call me for my opinion, which I
love you know, and we actually just worked together last
we did together fun.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
My mom always said what you put out matters, what
you put out into the world, it matters, and I
sometimes would get in my head. I remember thinking when
I would do certain roles, I'd be like, but sometimes
I just want to play this role, Like sometimes I
don't want it to have some big message or you
know what I mean. Sometimes I just want to play

(59:02):
something crazy. And so that was actually a hard thing
to individuate from was that everything is overthinking everything that
I did as an actor as as it mattered to
the greater, you know, the world, Like sometimes I wanted
to I want to play somebody evil and uh so

(59:25):
that was for me kind of an individuation. I think
it's important to have that, you know, is to actually
like be able to, you know, say like, oh well
maybe mom wouldn't make this choice, but but I think
I I think I have to, whether it's a mistake
or not. I think I have to do that on

(59:46):
my own, just to feel the water in a you know, differently,
just to you know.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
And I bet, I bet your mom's proud of even
when you make those choices. Your mom is proud of you.
Because oh yeah, even if finding your own voice like
Kayak doesn't. Sometimes I feel like if I tell her
to do something or not to do something, it's the
surest way for her to do the other thing. Yeah,
like the other she was reading. She had a book reading,

(01:00:16):
and I mean like for her book club, and she asked,
she gave me two like should I read this or
should I read this excerpt? And I was like, oh,
I really like this one. And then the night of
she read the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Other one, and I was like, just is it the
book she was talking to me about? What is it
called something like dick Head?

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Oh no, it wasn't that. It was she did something
at the Chelsea Hotel and it was all stuff related
to the Chelsea Hotel. And I was like, I like
the Patti Smith one because no one else was reading
Patti Smith. But then she felt it was too on
the nose. So I don't know, but that's fine, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Last question, what are you looking forward to right now?
You Cindy and the you know, forward moving direction. What
are you excited about right now?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
I think what's really exciting, and I think it can
be terrifying for people is empty nest. I think if
you're lucky enough to steal like your spouse. I think
like Randy and I are kind of making a conscious
decision to approach it as like, wow, this is cool.
We can like we're not tied to school schedules anymore.

(01:01:30):
We can travel, we can you know, do these other things.
So like last winter, we spent a couple months in
Miami and it was really good for us because we
didn't spend time there as a family, so I don't
have like you here. I'm in Malibu at my husband Malibu,
and I always say the ghost of the kids are everywhere,
you know, like, oh, remember, there are empty you walk

(01:01:54):
by them, and it can be said there is a
sense of loss when your kids launch, even though we
should be celebrating that, and we do that too, but
you know, this is a little like quiet around the house.
So I think the way we're trying to approach that
as like, wow, this is like a great exciting chapter
for the two of us to do things that we

(01:02:15):
weren't able to do when we were you know, really
trying to be there for the kids.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
It's such a double edge, so exciting. I mean, my
kids are seventeen, fourteen eleven. I got some time. But
it's exciting and it's also just completely devastating all the
same time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
I have a feeling by the time i'm an empty nesterry,
I'm gonna have grandchildren. So I don't think i'm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Really the way I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
I think there's always gonna it's just like going to
be a you know. But I love that I do.
I kind of sometimes I actually long for it. I'm like, God,
I love to just be able to go live in
Italy for two months and not have to deal with
school schedules and oh heaven.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Yeah, it's so that's something you could look forward to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Yes, good, all right, Cindy, go catch your playing. Thank
you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Joining us talking to you guys. I love seeing I'm
jealous that you guys because you both live here, right,
And that's like I will say, I love living in California,
but I miss that proximity to my family especially.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
It is we It is special, honestly, I mean myself,
Kate Wyatt, Boston, Mom, Paul. We all live within ten
minutes from each other, every one of us. So it's
it's pretty cool. All the cousins and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Then when we talk about the idea that maybe we'd move,
it's like it's like a family decision. Yeah, we all
move together, like we can't move if you're not mising.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Love you, Bye bye, bye bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
She's the best I know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
I love Cindy, such a good head on her shoulder.
She's like smart, she never got in all the bullshit.
You know, she's pretty great.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
She's just a great girl. And yeah too, Yeah, they're great.
I love them and and and really good energy and fun.
They're super fun and and honestly, Kaya, it's always that
thing where you're like, your kids are good representation usually

(01:04:28):
of the parents. There's a you know, it's a real thing.
And Kaya is just the best.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Yeah, she was great. And she's fifty eight, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Yeah she's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
So beautiful, yeahsane. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
There's there's you know, beauties in the world that you
just look at and they're just always beautiful. She's going
to be eighty and beautiful. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I wonder if I like have a shot, you know,
like later on down the line, Oliver, I've got randy
ish vibes, you know, yeah, you kind of do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
I mean, yeah, he's a little healthier and no, yeah, no,
definitely he's got a stronger maybe business sense.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
No way, that's that's wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
No, it's actually pretty rise.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
No he he.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
He took his drinking and made it a business, you
know what I mean, and succeeded.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
This is true, all right, he he He turned something
poisonous into something beauty, amazing, beautiful, lucrative.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Listen, I love you, and uh we'll see you next time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Yeah bye