Keeping a Lowe Profile

Oliver has a lot in common with Rob Lowe's sons John and Matt. 
Was Hollywood heartthrob Rob Lowe a strict dad? Did the Lowe last name come with more problems than perks?  Lots of 'revelry' revelations to unpack here!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and
what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling ravalry. No, no, sibling.
You don't do that with your mouth revelry. That's good,

(00:39):
oliverer Hudson here back on sibling revelry. Yes, and it
is Oliver Hudson, the one, the only, Oliver Hudson. My
sister is yet again on set working making a ton
of money. Well, I am here doing this podcast. You
know why because I fucking love it. That's right, I
love to do this. I'm here and I'm very excited
to talk to my My guest's coming up, John Owen

(01:04):
and Matt Low. Friends with Matt or big fishermen. He's
been on my boat, and I'm excited to get into
their lives. I mean, this is pretty interesting situation. It's
not dissimilar to how I grew up, but the difference
is is that they have like a sexy ass dad

(01:25):
who they're girlfriends. I'm sure want to bone you know
what I mean? You know, Rob Low, It's fucking Rob Low,
for Christ's sakes. So it's a little bit different. I
would say. I know, Rob, amazing guy, amazing father. You know,

(01:45):
I'm excited to talk to John Owen a little bit
about sort of his sobriety honestly where that came from.
And you know what, I'm actually reading this book right
now by a guy named Alan car and it's I
don't know the exact title, but it's it's how to

(02:08):
cut down on Drinking. Okay. Alan Carr has done has
written many books, but he did a famous book about
quitting smoking, and everyone who would read it would quit
smoking because and I'm reading this book because I don't
think I'm an alcoholic.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I know I talked about on this podcast how I
drink and blah blah blah blah. But it just feels
like it's too much, you know. Can I stop? Yes?
But I'm just interested in why I might drink as
much as I do in a sitting. And I know
that when I do sort of take two weeks off,

(02:45):
how amazing I feel? I don't know. Anyway, this is
now now everything's just coming out of my from my
head and out of my mouth. Anyway. Here I am
Oliver Hudson, just fucking crushing everything in this world. Let's
bring on Matt and John let's get into it. Well,

(03:06):
first of all, really cool to have you guys on.
I appreciate it. My sister's working, she's not able to
be here, but who gives a shit about her anyway, right,
you know, yeah, it'll be better like this. So, you know, Johnny,
if we met.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I think we met at some like football game in
a Fox suite.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was playoffs, that's right.
It could have been the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
It could have been.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Sound we're really something like Fairweather fans right now or whatever.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
No, I know, but on the Super Bowl, your dad
was on the field.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I think, actually you know what it was. It may
have been the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, I think he was on the field, or maybe
it was the playoff game prior to that. But yeah,
do you know how I think you know how.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
He gets down to the field in the Super Bowl
because I've seen it happen before.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh yeah, this is a great one.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
He has a saying he'll be mad at me for
saying this publicly. Where he goes, I just don't stop
for a clipboard. I won't stop for one and so
just walk. He'll just walk, and it's really annoying to
watch it work. Yeah, and it does work.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Oh well, it's just it's that confidence, you know. I mean,
you could probably get into any like country club or
any private place if you just sort of walk in
or drive in and wave, because I think you're playing
on everyone's insecurities that we all have, meaning like, oh shit,
if this guy's so confident that he's a member, I

(04:34):
don't want to fuck him up, Like ay, you know.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yes, it's raw confidence and probably borderline narcissism.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
I think, yeah, yeah, there's a little bit of healthy
arrogance in there sometimes with it, but uh, you know,
of course, I also think it helps when you're going
down to those situations like well, we're gonna be down
there anyway, let's just go down, Like okay, well, why
don't we wait for someone to tell us we can
do it? No? No, no, no, you don't wait, you just.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Oh, all right, Well along those sneaking in lines like
I was, you know, I am, or was an obsessive golfer,
but when I started sort of in the high school
college area. I have a friend who's a member at
Hillcrest Country Club, in LA and I know his dad

(05:22):
and his son, Alex never went to golf. He didn't golf.
They didn't even know who he was. So I would
drive into Hillcrest Country Club and just say I was
Alex Cassen. So now for a year I go there
and everyone knows me as Alex. They call me Alex.

(05:44):
I'm playing on the golf course, you know, I become
a member. Basically, I get paired with this dudes with
his dad. He was the father of a kid on
my baseball team, and I introduced myself as Alex and
he's like what. I'm like, I'm Alex, and he's like
he Eventually after the round turns me in and I

(06:06):
get a call from Michael, Alex's dad being like, what
the fuck are you doing? I'm like, I like golf.
I don't know. I'm sorry that it worked.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
How old were doing that?

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I was like sixteen seventeen, you know that's right.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
That feels like the right age to be to be
doing something like that.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, I'm forty I'm forty seven now and I still
probably do something that.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
This was last year, yeah, yeah, or I never did
anything like that, but ours is a little less glorious,
the local like fool Club. We found a way where
there was a security camera that was no longer working,
so you could sneak through the back and then be like,
oh no, my name is My name is Andy Bush,
Like I'm good, don't worry, like this is me. Here's
my member number. Oh yeah, totally high school days.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah yeah. I used to sneak onto the Riviera golf course,
you know, which is like one of the great golf
courses in the country. And there was a hole in
a fan, you know, and I used to go through
houses and walk onto the fifth hole, and I get
gobbled up by these older groups, these older men, man,
oh hey, they were so excited that like a fifteen
year old kid was playing by himself and I was

(07:13):
your dad. I'm like, ah, like Greg Johnson, like I
don't know, but why don't you play with us? So
I would plague golf with all these members, with them
thinking that I was some junior member. I was a
little nutty dude. I sold fake IDs when I was
in high school.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I was entrepreneurial, beyond I mean beyond anything. But it
was all illegal, you know, it was all so it
wasn't on the up and up.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
It was before the it was before the days of
the online novelty. I d sites and then every kid
from your high school had the Arizona or the Connecticut
fake id.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Dude, exactly, I had a Laminator and so it was
laminated Idaho Hawaii IDs Hawaii.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Hawaii is gnarly. That can't work often.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Oh dude, they were all terrible, Like I think everyone
probably got caught and arrested. But you know, we made
money so good, we made money, you know.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Just fucking so many kids over Oh god.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I know, they line up outside of my friend's like
guest house, and we'd be printing these ideas, you know.
But hey, the spirit was there, execution was there, but
the legality might have been a little bit off.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, thanks for thanks you guys. I just want to
sort of get a sense, like, you know, obviously you
grew up similarly to how sort of I grew up,
you know, with a famous father, and I'm sure you
guys get these questions all the time. Right. First of all,
going into the business, you know, Matt, you decided to
sort of shy away from it. Was that on purpose

(08:49):
or was it just you weren't interested.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Honestly, I saw a lot of what it brought early on,
and a lot of it was really good, and a
lot of it was stuff that I realized I wasn't
quite cut out for in terms of I So when
I'm going through my founder introductions every in my day
to day life, working adventure, I have this little spiel
I give, and I have it so down to a science. Now,
if I say I was born in the entertainment world,

(09:13):
it's my bread and butter. But I very quickly realized
that I like being behind a camera rather than in
front of one, And that is really true. I knew
kind of early on that acting was interesting, but my
biggest motivating factor for it was, oh, man, like, there's
such a possibility for financial gain, and I was like,
that's not a good motivating factor to go into it.

(09:34):
I don't know the love for it. So I very
early realized that I'll let the Despians and the family
go after that goal.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Mm hmm. And Johnny, were you just born into it?
I mean, because here's the thing, like, you know, it's cool,
it's interesting. Honestly, Matt, that you're not because you know,
you sort of for the most part, you grew up
a certain way. You know, if your parents are still
work ers, like, good chance you're going to be a
steel worker. You know. We grew up in a family

(10:04):
where we were on sets. I mean, we were tutored
on sets, we would travel there. I mean, this is
all we knew. I didn't know anything else, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, And a lot of what I'm able to do
now and the luxuries I'm afforded is because of the
success that he's seen throughout his career, where I don't
take that for granted. You know, I was able to
go to a really good college. I was able to
go to law school, past the California Bar, become an attorney,
then transfer into finance. And you know, a lot of

(10:31):
that is due to me being really smart, tenacious and
a great person. But it's also I was afforded certain
luxuries because of the success of you know, my dad.
So that is not lost on me either.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, but you're not getting into Duke because of your dad.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Certainly not. And then I didn't pass Rob didn't go
to the California Bar and say you need to admit
this kid.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Right exactly exactly how much.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, our parents would have done that if they could
have Johnny, Johnny was almost on the USC rowing team.
It's okay, that's right.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
My joke that that is really not a joke in
Matthew would agree, is like if we hadn't been as
hard of workers as we were, we probably would have
been in the college admission scandal. Like we're willing to
go there.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, well that this is it supposes a really interesting question.
Who gave you the hard work? Did you see that?
Did you witness it? Is it genetic? You know? Because
if I'm if I could change one thing about me, honestly,
it's work ethic. I love to have fun. Matt as

(11:48):
you know him on my fucking boat every day, Like
I would rather be on the ocean and tinkering in
my garage and being with my children than doing anything.
I think if I hit the lottery, if I played
the lottery and want a billion dollars whatever the fuck
it was, like it would be dangerous because I'd be like,
I'm chilling. But and I kind of attribute that a
little bit to just not being pushed, you know what

(12:10):
I mean? Where do you think you guys sort of
got your work ethic from?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I think honestly, and I very much sympathize with that
viewpoint because I myself, I'm like, God, I'd rid love
being on my boat all the time. And growing up
my parents were like, why don't you go be a fisherman?
And you know this, that and the other, and I
was like, I know, I was like, well, I think
if I did it every day, i'd ruin the love
of it and that you know passion. I have to

(12:36):
do it when I have my free time. But the
work ethic, I think, is one of those things where
I saw it from both parents. My mom, you know,
grew up in some hard circumstances and really had to
lift herself up from her bootstraps and do some good
work to get to where she is. And then I
grew up seeing my dad on two different TV shows

(12:58):
at a time, you know, drive back and forth from
that dude.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
That dude fucking works.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, he's been working since I was born. On I think,
what is it, Johnny that he has been on a
television show every year for the past like some insane number.
But I just remember growing up that you know, it
wasn't a bad thing. He was always gone working doing
this and that, and I was like, Okay, he's out
there working hard. So it was instilled in us very
early on to have that work ethic.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, my dad will do anything he can to spend
as little time with his family as possible.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Well, it's so sure, seems like that. I'm like, what,
Rob's on a fucking game show now, like it doesn't
he have enough things? He's got two TV shows, he's
got this, he's got that, and he's like and then
at a game show like he's got the dough. I
mean don't need it, you know, But so maybe he
doesn't love you as much as he sort of says.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
That's what I am, man, that's what I've landed on.
The void whatever hole he's trying to stuff. It's it's
bigger than we all can imagine.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I think you'll know this, Oliver. He's my part and
earn a thirty one Bertram so he has to go
get some money to pay for that thing too.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
That's right, that's right, especially rebuilding those new engines. Oh yeah, yeah,
that's what the game shows.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, well he was we had they were strict. Our
parents were really strict.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
They they were That's what I was going to get at,
Like academically.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, they they kicked our ass. They were really really strict. Uh.
We had you know, tutors and curfews and you know,
I wasn't allowed to sleep at my friend's houses and
it was very very you know, very academically oriented household.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
How important were grades?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
The most important that was?

Speaker 2 (14:40):
That was?

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, that was our currency growing up straight up.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Like we knew pretty early on that neither Johnny and
I was going to be in the NFL or the NBA.
So it was all about academics pretty early there. And
they let it be known that that's how you achieved.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, wow, And did you hate them?

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Maybe?

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Maybe sometimes when I was like, god, damn, I really
did try my hardest there that that b minus really
really hurting your guys's feelings, you know, But in a
long I feel like.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
You were more, you a acquiesced better, like you fit
in better to that system. Though like I I did it.
I think Matthew, I guess the not non political way
of putting it was was that Matthew was just less
of a shit disturber, so he got less.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Sure don't you think that you know, you should be
parented differently based on sort of who you are, and
you know what your psychology is, and you know what

(15:53):
your achievements may or may not be one and achieved.
The top achievement for one might be an a and
then the top achievement for one might be a bee,
you know.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, And I think that that was something that we
struggled with a little bit because and I'll too Johnny's
horn here. He was more naturally academically inclined without the
amount of work that I had to put in for it.
So sometimes there was that comparison which would be like, Okay,
well I tried really hard and this was my best. Yes,

(16:22):
you can push me more, but you can't compare us
on certain things. And then you know, there were other
things where I naturally excelled, and then they would hold
him accountable for those things. So what works for one
does not always necessarily work for the other. And it's
always a learning process.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah. I mean, I'm a dad, now, you know. I
have a sixteen year old, a fourteen year old, and
eleven year old, so I'm dealing with all this shit,
you know, and I do it totally differently than your
parents did. And I don't know if they're fucked or
if they're like, you're going to thrive, I have no idea.
But I was not an academic, you know what I mean?
Like I got expelled from high school. Whoa for Yeah,

(16:59):
for cheating on a chemistry test. I put the right
answers on the wrong test. I didn't even bother to
look at the questions.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
I tell you something, I have that exact same story
from high school, and I really but yes, I did
the same thing. I found an old test online and
memorized it and I did it. Mine was slightly different
was that I got like a ninety eight percent and
the one question I missed was the right answer for

(17:28):
an old test. So they knew it, and they called
me in and I got out of it because my
argument was, well, you guys shouldn't have old tests online.
I was just studying. That's the that's the same thing
as studying. And I legitimately argued my way out of
getting yes.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
So they our chemistry teacher gave us two tests without
telling us that they were different. So one student had
one test, another one and another and I would just
look over on the sump person's paper and I just saw,
literally it was the number one question and I'd be like,
I didn't even look at the I didn't even look.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
I remember the alternate, alternate seating, alternate question stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yemember that this is the problem. Like I feel like
I'm too lenient with my kids, but it's just how
I am. You know, Effort matters to me more Like
you know, if I see him studying his ass off
and he gets to see good, hey, good, what the
fuck does this mean? What does a grade actually mean?
You're being evaluated on whether something is right or wrong,

(18:30):
But your effort, when you're translating that to life, is
really where it's going to come out. If you are
putting in maximum effort into something that you love, then
there's a good chance you're going to succeed at it.
You know, when I don't see him put the work in,
then you know I have a little bit of an issue.

(18:51):
But you know, I was never that strict. Still I'm not.
I was a crazy kid again. I got expelled from
high school, worked at CIA in the mail room, you know,
had an insane an insane year and a half, ended
up graduating with my class because I wrote a letter

(19:12):
to get back in and the end of the letter
was the ghosts of dishonesty shall never haunt me again.
This was like I did a creative writing assignment, right,
I did a whole thing, got back in. They weren't
going to put it on my transcripts, but I decided
that I'm going to tell the colleges that I cheated
and got expelled and the lessons that I learned. And

(19:33):
it was the greatest thing I had done because I
got into all the schools because of the writing. But
the ghost of dishonesty did haunt me again in Humanities
in college. But I argued my way out of that
one and I came out on top. But yeah, I

(19:54):
guess for you guys, like how great you turned out?
I mean, obviously, Johnny, you went through your shit, you know,
and what would you attribute that to, honestly, like your childhood,
you know, seemed like it was a good one, obviously.
You know, when someone looks at addiction, which I can

(20:15):
say that I have, I call it like a lower
case a addiction, like you know, I have that. And
there's certain aspects of my life not alcohol. Although I
am trying to cut down because I feel like I'm
drinking too much. I'm actually listening to this Alan Carr
book like how to Cut Down on Drinking. You know. Yeah,

(20:39):
but so where did that? Where do you think that
stemmed from?

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Well, I think there, you know, there's a few different
elements to the answer. First of all, I mean, I
definitely believe that addiction is partially hereditary, and it's like
rampant in our family. And we're a fortunate group our family.
A lot of us are sober. My dad, I think,
is thirty three years, my uncle Chad is twenty plus.

(21:08):
I had good role models, but I also had addiction
in my blood. And yeah, I think I mean look
to speak to what you were saying, you know, I
think it's a good sort of lesson that whatever someone's
life looks like isn't always the case. I mean, we

(21:28):
were raised so well and we were afforded so many privileges,
as Matthew said, but that didn't mean I wasn't dealing
with my own stuff. And I think, you know, something
that I'm sure you can relate to is when people
ask you, you know, what it's like to grow up with
a parent in the spotlight or around that there's a

(21:50):
lot of fun stuff to it, and there's a lot
of shitty stuff to it too, and I think people
don't tend to not recognize the the stuff it sucks
about it. It's a lot of parents insecurities and you know,
distrust in relationships and you know, a lack of attention

(22:12):
that you grave as a young person. And I think
I think a lot of that was was baked into
the reasons why I was self medicating for a long time.
But they were good parents. I'll end up with that.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
They were a job no. One hundred percent, dude, one
hundred percent. Like I totally can relate to what you're saying.
It's not about them being bad parents in any way.
It's just the circumstances of the of our lives, of
your life, you know. And and it's interesting, you know
you talk about the addiction gene or just how we're
made up, because Matt, you experienced similar, same exact upbringing,

(22:51):
but some of us are sort of more inclined or
more sensitive, and it just seeps in there a little
bit deeper, and it can it to our you know,
you can get to our heart in a sense.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, I got lucky and didn't get the quote unquote
addictive gene in the self medicating through you know, drugs
or alcohol or anything. But I definitely had the effects
of growing up the way we did take root in
my personality and in my the way that I hold
myself in other ways that I only really learned about

(23:27):
the root causes of that later in life when I
started to get into self, my own self work, after
seeing you know, the successes that Johnny and my dad
have had in twelve step programs, where I was like, Okay,
well maybe there's a version of this that I can
go do for myself that would just help me understand
my own character and who I am as a person,
as a man outside of like my family unit.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Mm hmmm, what would you say? You know, your your
pitfalls are, Matt? You know, I mean, I'll get back
to you, yeah, because I want to keep talking about this,
but like, yeah, Matt, we're you know, we we know
each other. We haven't gotten deep you know, we've talked
about fucking white sea bass and yellow tail. We haven't
gotten deep deepsts and but yeah, how are you? How

(24:13):
are you fucked up? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I mean, look, I think for me, I saw very
early that it was always like oh, your Roblow's son
or oh your dad's so cool. What's that like, what's
it like? I was like, you know, it's it's great,
it's cool. I love them, but I'm Matthew Low, like,
let's bring the conversation back to me. And I think

(24:36):
that was a little bit of the reason why I said,
you know what, I'm going to go outside of the
family business. I'm going to do something completely different and
make a name for myself where I know that any
successes I have career wise are because of my own
merit and what I did for myself. And I think
that goes back to a deeper thing of just self

(24:58):
confidence and and really trying to understand who I am
as a person outside of the family. And I think
that that was something growing up that I lacked, was
a like really really hardcore sense of self. I mean,
I knew who I was, but I always knew that

(25:20):
it was a little less than some of my peers.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Mm hmmm mm hmmm. And then that just sort of
can take hold and snowball insecurity.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah for sure. And I, you know, at thirty years old,
look back and I'm like, Okay, I definitely see it,
and I see where I started to separate from it
and become the healthy version of myself that I am today.
And you know, I look back and say, it's crazy
where I was and then versus am now. But I
wouldn't have had it any other way because I couldn't

(25:52):
be happier with the version of myself that I am
at thirty years old.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Of course, dude, I mean, you know that self reflection
is so huge. I suffer from major, major anxiety, like
back in my twenties. It started, and I'm sure it's
started well before that. But you know, I'm on lexapro
and I'm you know, fucking yeah, just trying to like
get through the day.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
I feel like I feel like everyone is on something
these days, man, Yeah, And I think it's less about that.
I think it's more about technology, society. The world used
to be so much smaller. It's now so interconnected. Everyone
knows everyone else's business. You only see the best parts
of people's lives out there. You don't see their inner struggle.

(26:36):
So everything looks peachy and perfect, and it's just it's
a very different world.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Now, growing up, Johnny, because both of you guys were
just because your dad, you know, was in recovery and
was sober how was he How did he deal with alcohol,
you know, and weed even growing up? And I only
asked that because you know, my son's sixteen and he's
you know, he drinks. You know, I'm not saying he

(27:02):
drinks at home, but of course he's going to go
to a party he's sixteen and have like, you know,
some vodka shots or whatever and smoke weed, and you know,
I mean, this is just what kids do. You know,
How did dad handle that?

Speaker 3 (27:13):
I think he was he did his best. I mean,
he was sensitive to it, for sure. They were sensitive.
My parents were both and my mom has addiction on
her side as well. She was affected by you know,
in both of her parents, and so they were really sensitive.

(27:35):
They kept a pretty close eye on it. And I think,
you know, to be perfectly honest, I think I had
a drug and alcohol counselor by the time I was
fifteen years old.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Is that because you were drinking, you were partaking.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I was definitely drinking a lot.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, I'll say this that our experiences were different, and
I think from at that point you could tell that
the consumption was a little bit different between the two
of us.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Give me an idea, because like when you're fifteen or sixteen, right,
like what are you consuming?

Speaker 3 (28:09):
I think it was. It's more so the effects, Like
like we would both go out to a party and
Matthew would come home tipsy or fun drunk, and I
would be blacked out, Like everything I was. I was
like stumbling in, making a mess in the kitchen, passing

(28:32):
in the pantry.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I mean, I don't remember a time when Johnny would
like touch it and be like I'm having one drink.
It was I'm drinking. I'm blacked out.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
To this day, i'd still say that. I'm like, I'm
never going to go back to it, but if I did,
I'd block out. I don't see the reason why you wouldn't,
and that's why I'm sober. I don't understand why you
wouldn't do that, Like it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'm the guy out here that you know, when I
go out on a date with my girlfriends, I'll have
like one espress a martini, stip it throughout the meal
and be like that was great, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
I used to get so mad at him too. I'd
be like, you're not fucking drinking, right, man, you gotta
we got to if you're gonna do it, do.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
It right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh my god, dude, I yeah, Johnny,
and I know what you're talking about. It's like, what's
the point of two drinks?

Speaker 3 (29:21):
I never understand it. I'll stay home, I go. I
don't think.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
But what was it like growing up as brothers going
through Were you tight? First of all, were you guys tight?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, we're only two years ago.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
We shared friend groups and.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
We did went to the high school. Yeah, so you
guys would party together and go out together and yeah,
and then did you did you, Matt? Were you ever like, dude,
you gotta chill, you know? Or were you just so
many times as you re lot as you might have
had an issue or you like just get too drunk
or you're like you got a problem.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
At first, it was like, oh, man, like he's really partying.
This is funny. And then it got as we got
old of it, Okay, this is going to become a problem,
And then it progressed to this is a problem. But
I was cognizant enough to understand that after so many
times of helping someone, they have to want to help themselves, right,

(30:26):
And it was like, Okay, it's just my job to
make sure that I can get you to that point
alive that you want to help yourself, and you did.
You got to that point.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, And how did that happen for you? Johnny?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Well, yeah, I mean, I definitely think it's it's it's
a resounding truth in recovery that you no one else
can get you sober, you know, you have to want
it yourself. For me, it was and I think this is,
you know, a tenant to recovery is like a lot
of it was something great than me. You know, I

(31:02):
feel like I can only take so much responsibility. It
was I believe in a higher power, and I think
that mine specifically was looking out for me on the
day I decided to stop drinking. But you know, more tangibly,
I was depleting my body over time. I was really

(31:22):
messed up. I was, you know, in and out of
hospitals and I'm super fortunate that my bottom wasn't as
low as it could have been, but it was pretty
pretty low. I tell a lot of newcomers this like
so much of recognizing the problem as recognizing how it

(31:43):
how you feel, how drinking makes you feel, because everybody
wants to get in to the tangibles. How many drinks
if I'm having this many drinks this week? Am I
an alcoholic? If I get drunk? Well, you know, if
I don't drink alone. I never drink alone. But I did,
and I'm always like I don't. That's irrelevant to me
because it takes so many different shapes and sizes. It's

(32:04):
always it always boils down to argue a different person
when you drink and does it make you feel good?
And truth? I felt like shit, I knew it didn't
make me feel good, and I was definitely a different person.
And so it was like just a modicum of self
awareness mixed with you know, right place, right time spiritually.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Mm hmmm. And was it that moment, you know, because
did you have that moment, that bottom moment when it's like, dude,
I can't do this anymore.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, I mean, what's funny. It's a funny story. I
think it's a good lesson, Like was I had wanted
to be sober for years. I was making what there's
a term for it.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I love.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
It's called like like bunker concessions with yourself where you're
like bunkered up in your head and you're like, okay,
I'm gonna get I was twenty one. I was like,
I'm gonna get sober twenty five, that's my cutoff. And
then a couple of weeks go by of just misery,
and you're like, all right, I'll get sober. I'm twenty two,
I don't know. Several more weeks go by and you're like,
I'm just gonna fucking make it through college. I know

(33:05):
I'm not gonna get sober in college. And it gets
that margin gets smaller and smaller with more misery. And
then I was in Cabo on spring break with my fraternity,
which is a great you know, that's if ye you're
gonna fuck your life, yeah, right, And I was like
in a hospital. I thought it was so cool that

(33:27):
I like went straight from the hospital out to squid
Row and like cut my hospital band off. You know,
at this point it's entertaining to nobody except myself.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
And you were in the hospital thin Cabo.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah. I drank myself into a stupor and ended up
in the hospital there, and I was on the flight
home and I was like I'm done, I'm done, and
I landed and I remember I went to drinks with
Matthew and my dad's agent, Richard Whites, and I was
like I was done in my head. I landed got
hammered at this dinner, and then I I was like,

(34:00):
all right, I'm done. And this was probably a Thursday.
I drink every night that weekend, going like that's it,
that's it, that's it, just going balls to the wall.
And then finally that Sunday, I was like, Okay, I
can't do this. I don't know what done means. So
I literally went to my parents and I was like,
I don't know, I don't know what I'm doing, but
I don't want to be doing it anymore. So that

(34:24):
was the moment. But it's been fascinating to me that like,
even when I was finished and I was really I
could feel it, I couldn't. I couldn't figure out how
to stop doing it. I needed help.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
I remember a moment where I was like, oh, he
is so shit, Like at the end of the end
is coming. When you told me you were at Stanford,
You're like, yeah, I have a bottle of Tito's under
my bed, and if it gets a fourth of the
way empty, I get anxiety that it's going to be
that I need to go get more. I was like, oh, dude,
this kid is this kid needs it.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I don't even remember that's I mean, I definitely remember.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
I think it was. I think it was post uh
breaking your wrist on a scooter?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Oh yeah, I broke go to the air quotes.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
I fell down a flight of stairs, really messed up,
broke my rs, slept on it went, went woke up
with a very broken wrist and was like. I remember
getting my friends in my fraternity being like, you guys
got to take me to hospital and they were like,
all right, but we got to stop at Phil's Coffee
on the way there. I was like, hell, yeah, we're
stop for coming up and uh and yeah. I told

(35:29):
my parents I fell off a scooter and they believed
it for years. In fact, I think they only only
had like a year or two ago did I tell
them the truth?

Speaker 2 (35:35):
But that's so funny. Yeah, well how did you get?
How did Matt? How did you? I know you said
there's only so much you can do, you know, I mean,
you have to let whoever it is that you love,
who is in that kind of pain and misery, find
their own bottom and then you know, seek help for themselves.
But as a brother, as someone who you know who

(35:56):
you love, not knowing how to sort of push him
to anything and letting him figure out himself. What did
that relationship look like, you know, because did you just
go along sort of like as normal brothers or was
it like a you know, and similar with your with
your parents too, Johnny, I know your dad probably was
under the same I had the same ideas, like, well,
he needs to find it himself, but aware of the severity.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, I think they were. I think they were aware
of it. You know. The way that I took things
was there were certain things that I was okay with
partaking in with him, which I probably shouldn't have knowing
it how much of a problem it was. And then
there were certain things where it got too much where
I was like okay, like I can step in here
and be like no. And then it was a lot

(36:44):
of just the nitty grit gritty of if he's super
blacked out, like getting him home or just making sure
he's not going to like throw up in his sleep
or something like that. When it got to that point,
and then I kind of got staved personally by him
going to college and like Okay, well he's gonna do
what he's gonna do in college, Like he has fraternity

(37:04):
brothers and it'll be finding good. But you know, I actually.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
I was. I was hopeful he's got frat brothers, he's
gonna be just yeah. Maybe it was so much just
an utter condemnation, like.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
It'll be good anybody.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Also, I trust an alcoholic, but it's fraternity.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Right right, right, right?

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, maybe my fraternity was a little different. I also
think though, that we were pretty lucky, lucky and unlucky
in that we partied pretty hard in high school. So
I was like, Okay, I think he's got the worst
out of his system, man like, and I made sure
he was good then and I and I was probably
different for him than it was for me. But I know,

(37:52):
at least for me, when I got to college, I
mellowed out as opposed to going hard. And I don't
know about you, Johnny, but that was the case with me.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
I mean, I think it was less. High school was
more about trying new things and taking risks, and in
college I'd figured out how I liked to get messed up,
So I was like, it was less. The world of
it wasn't as big, but the amount of damage I
was doing was equal, for sure.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
But it was simple and when you talk about misery,
you know, because you're like, you're just miserable, miserable, miserable,
you know. I mean when I drink, I'm not right.
Even if I drink, you know, a thousand drinks, I'm
happy and it's fun and I like it. You know,
you're miserable the next day that when you speak about misery,

(38:43):
are you even talking about in the moment of drinking
it's miserable? It was miserable or like the hangover you know,
Oh yeah, No, it's.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Definitely not just the hangover, because that that that's physical. No,
it's yeah, yeah, I know, it's the because it's the
intentions behind while you're drinking too, a lot of like
masking pain and you know self, if you're self medicating,
then then it's not fun. And I wasn't present. It
wasn't like, let's go out to a bar with you know,

(39:14):
friends and have good times. I was like, let's that
those were just the circumstances for me. I was like, yes,
I will be at a bar with friends, but it's
not about that. It's about how can I get blackout
drunk so that I don't have to feel the way
I'm feeling right now, And it's just you know, I
think at its simplest form, it's like I wasn't happy

(39:34):
with myself. I wasn't happy with the way I was
navigating life or who I was, And alcohol was was
how I chose to medicate that. But you learn in
recovery that like when I stopped drinking, that didn't fix
the problem. That just took me, you know, the immediate
danger of a way I was trying to fix the problem.
The problem was you know, insecurity, ego stuff, and through

(39:59):
a already of self awareness, I have you know, patched
those problems. But quitting drinking wasn't like I wasn't like.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I'm done right right, Well, then you're you know, it's
almost a symptom, you know, something deeper, right, and then
translating that into what you do. You're an actor, you know, producer, actor,
you do all your stuff right, and you're working with
your dad and all your solo stuff as well. But
when you're getting into this business and you talk about

(40:30):
insecurity and self esteem, you know, how did that play
out for you or how does that play out for
you as an actor? Your dad being who he is,
you know, because and again I asked questions from experience. Yea, everyone,
you know, I'm happy of my career. It's been amazing, right,

(40:52):
I've been a lot of money. I've been on TV
shows for many years. I've been leads and blah blah blah.
People would kill for my career who are trying to
be actors. But I've got Goldiehunt, I've got Kurt Russell,
I've got Kate Hudson, and then I've got Wyat now
my brother, who's just crushing it. I've always felt like
a black sheep, and it's always just it's self imposed.
You know, there's an insecurity, there's a self esteem issue.

(41:15):
There is Am I good enough? Am I as good
as my family?

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Are?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
People looking at me like, oh, he's the worst one.
I mean, these are all catastrophizing, you know, and creating
a narrative. Do you have Did you have any of that?

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Fuck? Yeah? Yeah, no, I still have it. It's all
about learning how to deal with it in a healthy way.
I think it's it would be you know, I think
anyone's lying if they say they don't have that in
some regard. I don't think even people with you know,
from a background of nepotism or connections. Don't have it,
you always have it. There's always it's an illness of comparison,

(41:56):
right Exactlytive and I talk about it a lot with
my my friend. You know, I have a lot of
creative friends, and if I'm having a bad day, I
wake up I'm having a bad day where I'm not
centered and plugged into the healthy stuff, then I'll find anything.
It doesn't need that. That's the truth of it. And
that's honestly what brings me piece is. It doesn't even

(42:17):
need to be about my dad. It could be that
my best friend just booked this huge role that I
and then I go, what the fuck am I doing
with my life? So it's just like me.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
It's just like me, dude. Like everyone asked a question like,
are you do you have envy of you know, your
peers are jealous. I'm like yeah, everyone says they don't
and they're all fucking lying. I'm like, yeah, even if
it's a even if it's a female who I have
no competition. I'm like, how come I can't do that?
How come I'm not getting that?

Speaker 1 (42:48):
You know, I'm not even in your guys's industry, And
I have that with my peers as well. Who Yeah,
I'm like, why is that guy doing this? Man? It's
it's a universal feeling.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Mm hmmm, yeah, it's it's definitely. Uh. I think it's
healthy to feel like that. I think it's healthy to
note to allow yourself to feel that and then not
ruminate in it. That's the difference. But you know, specifically
the stuff with my dad, I think that was something
I had to tackle early on in my career, once

(43:17):
I had figured out I was going to work in entertainment,
and I used the truth is I choose to look
at it. And now, because we're on a show together,
we do. You know, we're both executive producers on it.
We're both co creators. You know, he's not a writer.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
But he all right, this is the one you're on now, right, Yeah,
this is Unstable. Yeah, what's a what's it called give
a little pluggy plug?

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah, it's on It's called Unstable. It's on Netflix. The
first season is out, the second season comes out soon.
I'm not sure if we've already set our release date
or not. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I'm aw to say, by the way, Starry interrupt because
I want to keep going, But like, how great is
it though, to be able to work with your father?
Fuck about net nepotism, talk about it, fucking security. Fuck
if you're great or you're not great. At the end
of the day, when when we're dying on our deathbeds,
what are we looking at? You know? For me personally,
I'm not looking at awards, honestly, I'm looking at my children.

(44:14):
I'm looking at experiences. For you. To be able to
have that experience of working with your father creating something
in a field that you both love, I mean, you
can't can't get better than that. It's so sick. I'm
trying to convince my mother to do it. I'm like,
just do a show with me. Yeah, you know, and
we're trying to find something.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
You took the words out of my mouth. Truthfully, I
was going to say that that that The healthy place
I've come to with it is like as sad as
a statement is, like, when he's gone, I'll have this,
like this will exists forever. I'll get to look back
and go like, oh my god, we shared all of
those moments together. That that is so special. So many

(44:54):
people don't have that. And if I can focus on
that the rest of the stuff, it's just noise. It's
just bullshit.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
M On a day to day, do you guys work
well together?

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah, yeah, we do. We feel we're being like and
it's so special and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Right, so, like I hate him, this guy he's directing
me the horror horribly.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Look, we have very similar taste, which makes it easy.
So you know, when we're doing things off camera, it's
very copathetic. I would say when we butt heads is
when we're acting together. And he's very opinionated, and I
think I know he just wants the best for me.

(45:50):
It can be frustrating at times, just I mean, the
show is about our relationship and it's about it's a
it's a.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Give give what's the little elevator pitch on it?

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I have lost I have a quick little tidbit. And Johnny,
you haven't even heard this one. I recently came into
contact with someone in the Netflix ecosystem who worked on,
works with or on Unstable. I won't reveal anymore, and
I was like, how is it working with Johnny and Rob?
And they're like, oh my god, they're the best, Like
they're both so sweet, they're so nice. Your dad, he

(46:20):
is such a legend. He's so great and he's like
the most interesting nice human being because he'll be super
super nice and then he'll say with a smile on
his face something you and you realize that he's actually
telling you that you just did something very wrong, but
he's smiling and he's so nice about it, And I
was like, yeah, that checks out, Like and Johnny has
never done anything like that. He's super sweet to be

(46:40):
around and very great. I'm like, yeah, that sounds about
their working relationship.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yeah, that's that's that's accurate. Yeah, the show is basically
a dad who's a larger than life character who society loves,
he's beloved, and it's a son who does not see
what the rest of the world sees in him, and
his form plugged into his orbit and can't escape his shadow,

(47:05):
which is something I think a lot of us can
relate to.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Dude, that's great. It alnds just just taking themes that
I'm sure you know you guys can relate to. I mean,
I'm based on your themes and just putting it into
sort of a different, uh you know scenario. I guess, yeah,
you know.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
And it was literally born. This is a true story.
I was writing on a show he was on, UH
nine one Long Star. I wrote on that show for
four years, and I was losing my mind working in
proximity to him, and I would call my my reps
every week and be like, I feel like the you know,
the least cool NEPO kid that's ever existed. This fus Yeah.

(47:47):
They would like laugh and they were like, this is funny.
You should write a show about it. And then I
did it, and then I'll never forget the first week
on set I called them having a mental breakdown, literally,
and I was like, what did I do? This was
the problem? And now I work in even closer proximity
to him every day.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, so what's what's the hang up? You know what
I mean? Like when you're on nine to one one
and you're like, this is too fucking torture right now?
Is it just because he's too opinionated, meaning like he
has too much, he inserts himself too much rather than
you do your thing. I'm over here.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
It's not it's really the problem, isn't him? Because I
didn't have to spend that much time with him on
that project, to be honest, right, only when I covered
set for my episodes, it was being in his orbit.
And that's why the show is about that. You don't
even need to be next to the person for it
to get under your skin, Like I'm yah got it
for you. You know, the worst moments aren't them, it's

(48:48):
the projection of the person you're trying to get away from.
So it's like, you know, you walking into a room
where you're feeling comfortable. It's a day where you're feeling
good about yourself and some guy walks up to you
and goes like so and so Son, Right, yeah, that's
who you are. I knew I knew you from Somewhere's great,
isn't it great? And you go like, oh, I'm in business.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yeah, yeah, you don't need to talk to me. Dude,
I'm so calloused from that, Like that's been my you
know life, you're so and so Son, you're Kate Hudson's
brother or this or that. You know, I'm always someone's
I'm so self deprecating, and that's how I deal with,
you know, the potential pain or the barbs. You know,

(49:31):
I'll use self deprecation humor to get me through whatever
insecurities I might be feeling. You know, yeah, way I.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Joined the club.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
My comedy to that almost entirely, Like that was such
an eschame.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
The thing is, too people listening, you know, the opinions
of most is like, oh, what the fuck do you
all you guys have to be complaining about? You know,
you had Rob Lowe as a father, and you had
goldiehun and carussals this, like what is your problem? Like
I get that shit, all the comments and stuff all
the time, and I hate it, and I hate no
comments because I don't give a shit about what people

(50:12):
think for the most part. But this idea that just
because you come from a place of privilege, that you
can't be fucked up or have issues or even issues
within being in that place of privilege, you know, having
to live up to or living in a world where
you are invisible because of where you come from. You know,

(50:35):
it just drives me crazy that people can't understand that
the human experience, you know, and the negative human experience
or the things that we go through as humans can
only exist if you are sort of strung, have a
struggled upbringing, and you know what I mean, Like, yeah,

(50:58):
it drives me a little. I because we have fear
of talking about it sometimes and I've let it go.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
That's right, you know. That's it's a scary place to
be in when you're like genuinely feeling down about something
and you know, like, oh, if I bring this up,
it's gonna make the problem that's frustrating me twice as bad.
But yeah, yeah, that's that's why it's all about working

(51:27):
on in here.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
You know, I can't.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Listen to it's such a cliche, but like, I can't
let what's going on out there affect what's going on
in here. And that's so much easier said than done.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, oh my god. That's another one of like the
great pieces of advice that I don't think is a
rob ism because it's a general one, but that he
said to me very early on and stuff with me
is don't compare your insights to someone else's outsides. And
that's one where the more that you can keep that
at heart, the much happier and healthier person you'll be.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
It's a great, great little life. I've never heard that.
I love that. Yeah, because comparison is it that's a killer.
And by the way, when when when I do actually
feel genuinely happy for someone, I it feels so good
that I will even sometimes get emotional that I feel
genuinely happy for someone. It's like it's so like narcissistic,

(52:20):
but I'm like, oh my god, I feel real elation
for this person. I'm like, oh my god, why do
I feel emotional that I feel happy because I've switched,
Because in that moment, I don't feel that that that pessimism,
that that fucking poison, you know, that is envy, And
I'm actually feeling happy and good for somebody. You know. Yeah,

(52:45):
so did your dad direct you? Yeah? Yeah, so that's
It's like, it's like, because that would drive me.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
He'll give me, He'll give me line readings, nodings. Yeah,
he'll do He's oh man, yeah there. You know, it's
baked into the DNA of.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
The Show's amazing.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
His character Ellis, my character Jackson have the same dynamic
that Robin I have. So you know, we'll be literally
acting a scene where the dialogue is example, you know,
Ellis is telling Jackson, you know you need to your
poster is not helping your height. You're already short as
it is, so if you just get a little straighter

(53:27):
it would help. And I'm like, I don't need your
advice twenty four to seven director. Cut. Literally, it's like, cut,
my dad comes up to me and he's like, why
are you wearing pastels today? It blows you out, man,
you have a real tale color and like, I'm not
gonna be good for you on And I'm like, are
you fucking with me right now? And sometimes I genuinely

(53:48):
believe he's meagying me, like he's getting worked up. So
then in the next scene, I'm like, and then he's
go job, but he will. He'll direct me, you'll give
me line readings. He does it all.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
He's dude, that is funny. Well, it's an amazing the
relationship that you guys have. I think it's such an
important one, you know, not just father sons, but just
parents in general. And I know we didn't talk much
about your mom, but you know, it goes about saying,
probably what an incredible human being she is.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
You know, she's the she's the grounding force of the family.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
She's a yeah, oh gosh, yeah, she's she's she's oz
you know what I mean, She's she's doing all the ship.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
At the end of the day, my dad held no
power in our house.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Zoo right, which I love, which is great, you know,
but I think that that that as a dad, and
you know, talking to you guys and learning about your
relationship with your father and honestly how candid you are
and open you are about talking about him, it's really refreshing.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I'm trying to be the best dad that I can
to my kids. It's my number one priority. It's my
true legacy, you know. It's the only thing we're really
going to leave behind our seeds. If we do have kids.
Everything else will go away, but that lineage will continue on, hopefully,
And so that's all I care about is trying to
make them good people and loving them and hoping they

(55:21):
love me, you know, because I can get completely insecure
when I feel like my teenager doesn't love me. Now
this is my own psychology, you know what I mean,
because I'm just like, oh, fuck, like, does he not
love me the way I love him? But it's really
cool to watch how you guys, as older men now

(55:41):
have that special bond with your dad. You know, it's
pretty pretty great.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, it's interesting too, because we're now at the stage
where both of us are working with him in very
different ways, and we each get to have like this
adult relationship that we didn't once have and and see
him beyond the father and also just the person that
he is. So it's been a really interesting, interesting dynamic.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Mm hmm. Are you guys still super super close? You boys?
I mean you see each other all the time.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Yeah, we live like fifteen to twenty minutes away from
each other.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
I see you're both in la yep. Sweet. Okay, one
more question. It's kind of a two parter and then
we'll get out of here. So if you could, if
you could take something from your brother, something that you
admire about him, something that you don't have that you
wish you had, what would that be? And the second

(56:37):
part is if you could alleviate something that you knew
would make their lives a little bit better. What would
that be?

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I would go with if I could take something from
him that to add to me would be that I'm
the type of person where social like large social settings
or big social settings, drains my battery and for him
it recharges his. I would like to have more of that.
And then if I could alleviate something from you, maybe

(57:10):
the you know, the comparing yourself to others within your
peer group, because I know that you do that a
ton and I do that too, but not the extent
that you do.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Mhm hmm.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
That's a good question. What would I steal from Matthew?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
But part of his soul? Would you just rip out
to take for yourself?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
I think now I admire. I think Matthew doesn't need
as much praise for his work as I do. Like
he's comfortable moving in the shadows, and I think that
that's a valuable tool to have. I need a lot

(58:01):
of pats on the back, so I think I would
steal that from him.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
It's so funny because pats on the back, I never
feel like it's genuine, because I'm so like I could
be so like self loathing, you know. It's like I
don't even want to hear it, Like I feel like
a great scene or like you were amazing or whatever.
I'm like, ah, don't fucking say that.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
I don't take it well, but I don't. If I
don't hear it, I'm like, oh, I I.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Suck, dude, totally. I used to do this shit where
it's changed since I've been acting for millionaires now and
I've let it all go, honestly, But back when I
was starting out, when I'm saying goodbye to the creators
or whatever, you know, just for the days over, did
they say did they say good job? And then I
see him talking another actors like dude, you were incredible

(58:49):
in that scene. I'm like, oh my god, I got
none of that. I got none of that.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Yeah, and it means we're the worst people in the
place exactly.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I'm like, they hate me. They hate I'm like, not.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Only did I do bad work? They think I'm a
bad person.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
To write an asshole like everyone hates me. I'm sorry.
So yeah, I get that.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
I would take that from him, And then, uh what
when I choose two? Uh what does it take?

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Like alleviate you know what I mean, like a stressor or.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
I would say, uh, you know, I think Matthew's a
tendency to be there. There's a you were talking about it,
like a lack of self identity that I think is
connected to perhaps you know, subconscious confidence. And I would
I would fill that tank up for you. I would say, like,

(59:44):
you are doing perfectly perfectly fine. If not, you know,
whatever word you want to use, great, And I would say,
like kick back a little bit and and patch yourself
on the back.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
There you go, mmmmm, I love it. Well, thank you guys,
this was rad. I mean, I really appreciate it. Thanks
for being open, thanks for talking like this. You know.
It's good ship. And I'm available to do an arc
or a guest spot on the show. Yeah, I have
no I have no job, but you know I'm pretty good,

(01:00:18):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
And you just have to be comfortable with my dad
giving you line readings.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
That's fine, that's fine. I can play his like brother
or something on the show. He'd be so hard, you know,
as brother on the show. And here's the pitch and
and you know, I always thought I was the more
handsome one, and so now it's like a handsome off.
I'm like, well, you know, I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
You know, as a writer, I feel like I'm entitled
to say that that will be season three.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
There you go, Yeah, I think it could be. I
think it could be good where he doesn't want me
to come because he thinks that I'm more handsome than
him and he's like, I don't know, he can't make it.
You know, you have to be the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
One that calls Chad to tell him you're playing Rob's
handsome brother.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Chad was great because he was on our podcast and
I said, Chad, I mean, you know, were you enerty jealous?
He goes, fuck yeah, like my brother's this, he's making money,
he's hot, he's a star. He goes, fuck yeah. It
was jealous. First one on our show because I asked
a question to all the siblings who are movie stars
or whoever. You know, I'm always like, well, were you

(01:01:19):
envious of his career or her career? And I was
like no, I was very supportive. Chad was the first
and only to be like, uh yeah, that's the right there,
of course. And I loved it. I'm like, thank you, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Yeah, No, Chad's the man. Chad's the best he is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
He's awesome. Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
My partying thing, Oliver is maybe you can be the
one to get Johnny to go fishing with us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Let's do it, dude. We can just do a bay cruise. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
I'm a fair weather fisherman. I need like all the amenities.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like a seventy foot viking. So
there's yeah, yeah that's perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
All right, maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
All right, cool, Well, thank you guys, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Maybe I'll see tomorrow let's talk later.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Let's do it all right, Okay, all right, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Bye, Wow, that was great. It's funny I get lost
in these conversations, you know. I always like to inject
my own shit into it, I think because sometimes I
get nervous about asking the questions that might make someone uncomfortable,
even though that's kind of what makes a good interview,

(01:02:25):
you know, sort of Howard Stern does so well. But
I think that if I can relate on these topics
sort of maybe opens the door a little bit. Of course,
I risk I'm risking a lot, Harry, Guys, I am.
I'm risking a lot going solo because I don't have

(01:02:45):
Kate to sort of, you know, put me back on
the rails. But maybe that's an okay thing. Anyway. I
will I'll talk to you guys next time. If you
like Oliver Hudson aka The Hudson Express, I had to
subscribe button and you know, just push the likes or
I don't know, I don't even know if that's a thing.

(01:03:06):
All Right, I'm out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Ah,