March 31, 2025 • 39 mins
Kate and Oliver catch up with Macaulay Culkin who happens to be engaged to Kate's BFF Brenda Song.
The notoriously private actor answers it all!Where does he stand with his estranged dad?Does he get along with his siblings?
And is Macaulay Culkin really retired? Or is he just...tired?
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi, I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We are sibling rail No, no, sibling. You don't do
that with your mouth. Revel. That's good, Oliver. I'm excited
(00:39):
for what for mcaulleae cole Kin.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, let's bring him in, okay.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Ollie Mack obviously is married to Brenda Song, who plays
Ali on our show Running Point, and is like the
greatest ever point we got to get.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I've been going over this with her for yous now,
even though the show has only been on everyone even Branda.
We're calling him it running point and it's not You're
not You can't emphasize running because you're you're you're you're
running point. I was wondering what you're going, like the
basketball over trying to the point that point you're running point.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
We are running point.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It's the show about shooting hoops. Yes, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's not the running point meaning like I'm running. It's
like I'm running point, like it's a point card. I'm
I'm I'm the tip of.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
The spearman takes Yes, but I do understand your point.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Now, we have all kinds of of connections to Mac,
but our biggest connection to Mac was Mac was in
school with our brother Boston in New York, that's right,
and way back in the day.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
It was eighth grade. I think it was only for
one year.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, yeah, And I remember Boston always like just he
was like could believe he was in school?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Was what school was, wasn't it school for like high
performing artists or something.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Professional children in school? So it's for pretty much kids
who had like day jobs.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Essentially.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It was a lot of Juilliard musicians, a lot of
School of American Ballet ballet dancers.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
But you grew up in New York.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, I'm born and raised there.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Okay, seven siblings, I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Third of seven, so six siblings, holy shit, yeah crazy,
I have four brothers. Yeah, so yeah, we're raising two
boys over here. And yeah, when I was a little
worried that, like you know, like Dak kind of didn't
really like Carson at first and this and then ago, honey,
don't worry about it, like you know, take it from me.
Tons of brothers, It's going to be fine. Like the
(02:46):
so once the little one starts walking and talking and
able to play and stuff like that. You know, like
then they're gonna be just fine, and now they're they're
best buds.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, of course you have amazing insight into all that,
and you never know how it's all going to roll
out either, you know, I mean you especially having that
many siblings there, there are probably so many different relationship dynamics.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Absolutely, yes, yes, yeah, I know, yeah, you know, and
sometimes like one of my siblings, I remember, we didn't
speak for about this is the adults for like eight
months over a game of Monopoly. You know, we're in
our twenties, you know what I mean. It's like I'm
mad about the wording of the rules, you know, was
just like you know, like you know, yeah, so let's
(03:25):
just say that's the last time I played Monopoly with them.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah wait so you so you how so? So there's
four boys, three girls?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Uh no, five boys. I'm a four brothers plus me
as five.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Oh, five boys, two girls?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And where are you in the third? You're the third
and above you is all is boys.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
No, no, it's brother and sister. And then Kieren's right
below me. So and we're all we're all pretty much,
almost exactly two years apart. My older brother and sister,
they're they're actually born in the exact same day, two
years apart. So yeah, there's seven kids and six birthdays,
you know.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, wow, that's that's really odd.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, actually, I can tell you the I just one
three hundred and sixty five point four, Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Exactly, so so so so your mom must have started young.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, she started pretty young. Uh, let's see by the time. Yeah,
I think I was like she had me when she
was about twenty five, and so she probably started when
she was about twenty one zero. Where every every two years,
it's like, you know, they're exactly two years apart on
two years two months, My karents two years one month,
you know, my sister's two years two months, like pretty much.
(04:39):
I think they kept on doing it around Christmas time
it's cold and she had nothing better to do in
New York City, right, It's just like, yes, they all
were kind of around the same time, about nine months after,
you know, nine months after it was cold.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And how did how did your how did your parents
raise you with that many children? Meaning was it a
lot of like, hey, you know what you're gonna have
to take care of yourself.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You know, there's definitely a lot of that. Yeah, it
was definitely a little bit kind of like all right,
kids a go and again like you know, you get
this next one to take care of. So yeah, we
were a bit a bit feral, I would say, bit feral.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Especially in the right because you were able to just walk,
you just cruise around the city, right, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Back then even it's kind of like yeah, like you know,
I'm six years old and I'm walking ten blocks to
school by myself, like that would never let a six
year old walk ten blocks in Never in a million years. Crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Isn't it amazing what we did you know, or what
we were allowed to do or it was just normal
that we wouldn't do now.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
No, yeah, it was just it was just a style
of the time back in my day. Yeah, we're in
that place in our lives, you know. Yeah, yeah, I
wish it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Was still like that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, it's the more we know, the more fear we have.
I Mean, the truth is is I think you know,
at least la is less, is more safe than it's
ever been, But we have more fear than we've ever had,
you know, because everything is so right here we see
it access.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
We have so much true crime to watch and listen
to you and stuff like that. You know, it gets
it gets there just yeah, it cuts you like a
paper cut and next thing you know, you're just covered
in paper cuts. Now you're just like, I'm going to
avoid paper all together.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Ye, well how did your was your were your parents artists?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
No? No, My my mom was a telephone operator at night.
Uh and my father was a sacristine at a church.
So he's pretty much it almost like a way of
saying janitor. But he helped set up masks and things
like that as well as maintain the church. And so
that's that's what we did. That's what that's what we're
able to go to Catholic school for free pretty much.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And how did you so? So did you You all
lived together, all seven kids in New York City.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
In a one bedroom apartment. Yeah, so they were they
were they were stacking us in bunk beds and stuff
like that. Like you yeah, like we were like we
were like we're like a can of sardines, nine nine people,
one bedroom apartment.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You know, you know, was it hard to feed all
you guys?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I mean this?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, we didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
We didn't always have we didn't always have a we
didn't always we were we were we were definitely a
food poor. Uh. The lights weren't always on, the heat
wasn't always on, you know, things like that, like you know,
sometimes we didn't have the gas on. It was it
was definitely we were. We were struggling there for a
long time.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And religion was religion.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Big wasn't even know we weren't religious, but you know,
we didn't get baptized and did I did do my
first communion. I've done a couple of sacraments, but uh,
but yeah, but it's also a lot of it just
kind of keeping up appearances, you know for the school.
They were really a religious family. You know, yeah we
were there artists.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Were there artists in your family? I know you and
your brother, But was it was it was just something
that permeated.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Uh no, not really listen. I just had a lot
of energy. It was what it was. And it was
actually my my father was taking up my older brother
and sister to go take some headshots, like in the
park or something like that. And my mom, I think,
just because whatever, I think she wanted a break because
she was probably taking care of like three other kids.
She was like, just take Mac with you, just take them,
you know. Yeah, so uh uh and then next you know,
(08:02):
I literally like just I booked the first thing I
went out for. I booked the second thing I went
out for, and the third thing, and this and that
and then you know, next.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Because you're the cutest baby ever.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
You were so cute before we get into how cute
he is still but the way I was, no, but
but so you you booked the things that you got.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
But was it your mom, you know, who said well
we're going to put you into this world or you
have desires to do it?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
No? No, I mean kind of just started happening a
little bit. The dominoes felt pretty fast. And like I said,
we were, you know, we didn't really have a lot
of money, and I'll listen, I can start bringing some money.
So then they then you know, then kind of became
an opportunity and so uh then my father kind of
just grabbed the reins. It was kind of like, you know,
go go yeah. But you know, like like I said,
early on, look I did some studio theater, the Ensemble
Studio Theater in New York, and uh, Uh, it's like,
(08:55):
you know, next thing, you know, I'm getting a glowing
review in the New York Times and so it's kind
of just like things like that. So it's kind of
like they try to like just kept on just doing
it and doing it. So I pretty much just did
like a lot of studio theater. Uh. I did like
one or two commercials, but it was like literally just
straight into movies and then I started booking and booking
and booking, and then you know, like within about within
the first two years, I'm working with you know, John
Hughes and John Candy and stuff like that, and then
(09:16):
it just like off to the races like for me
like that, like for me, like it all kind of
made like that made sense to me. It's like, you know,
you start small and you build, and you build and
you build, and it's like, yeah, then you become a
big star. Yeah, that's the that's the hero's journey. You
know that that makes sense for my you know, that's
that's what Luke Skywalker does. You know, the logic makes
sense to to to a six seventy eight year old
(09:38):
that kind of Yeah, what was your first movie? It
was called Rocket Gibraltar. Uh, it's actually I think it's
a Burt Lancaster. I think it might even be his
last movie. And but it was a lot of New
York theater actors at the time, so you know, I
was doing a lot of studio theater at the time.
It was like Bill Pullman, Kevin Spacey, Patricia Clarkson, stuff
(09:58):
like that. But all like this is like you were
talking nineteen eighty six, you know, so we're all like,
you know, it's unknowns and it's about like a family
reunion kind of thing. You know, it's cute, it's cute.
It's actually showed some of it to uh Brenda during
the pandemic and she was like, oh my god, I'm six,
so I'm even cute. Who were mine? And I think
she said next, I think she's pregnant at the time too,
so she's like rubbing her belly, going, oh, walk is
(10:20):
you too? And I'm like, of course, like it's gonna
be cute.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Oh my god. Wow. So then how long had you
been working before you booked Home Alone?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I started like doing stuff when I was six. I
started I did Home Alone when I was nine, so
about three years, you know, and at that point that
was probably about my sixth or seventh movie. Like I
was doing like two movies a year, you know. Plus
also I was also dancing ballet professionally too. I went
to the school American Ballet s A B. So I
would do a season there and then uh, well I
would do a season there and then I go off
(10:52):
and do Uncle Buck, and then I come back, I
do another season there, and I go off and do
Home alone, you know, and like things like that. So
like so like Uncle Buck was in theaters and was
doing ballet on Lincoln Center, like you know, like that
kind of thing. Like you know, it was just it
was just that the you know, I mean, I enjoyed dancing.
I was good at it, but it was also uh
the parts, and the money was coming in fast on
the other side. So you know, we pretty much dropped.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
That well with the money situation and your parents and
you know, you being sort of the cash cow. How
did that work? Was it pretty easy? Pasy?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I mean, I mean, I'm just a kid, and I
do the work, you know what I mean. Like, I mean,
it wasn't you know, those kinds of dynamics.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
But you found yourself coming out of sort of poverty
and you're eating regularly and shit is expanding.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah, no, of course it's very funny.
I mean, you know, one year, I'm eating out of
can so the next thing I know, you know, we're
in a bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel. But again
that's kind of you don't know any better, Like you know,
you have to remember your kid, so you don't really
have a perspective on these kind of things, right, you know,
it's like, yeah, it's like your question, you're older, you
can come.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Is this where my money's going down?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah? But you know the dish, no, the student for
those But did you know that you were the source
of this, not that you were you know, did you
have I did you know?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah I did. But also like, uh, but.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
There was no pressure. There was like I'm the guy
who's doing it.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
But I do not until later, not until later. And
again that's when you start getting getting older, having more
perspective and things like that. But also like you know,
they were very good about like not telling me how
much I was making. It was like that, and so
you know, again it's not like they didn't want me
to going to school, going like hey, guy, I'm just
mad a million dollars, like, you know, they were very
good about kind of trying to keep that kind of aside.
(12:34):
I mean, it really wasn't until I was eighteen. I
turned eighteen, and I called it the piece of paper.
The piece of piece of paper meeting. So I sat
down with my business manager and he like literally just
slides a piece of paper like up like the downside,
you know, don and slides and just that here's a
breakdown and everything. And that was the first time I
actually got a perspective of how much I had earned
over the years. Yeah, it was very funny. My feeling
(12:56):
was very funny. It was just I felt like some
kid worked really really hard and I inherited his money.
Like I was kind of disassociated from it at that
point because also that at that point I hadn't I quit.
I'd been quit for about four or five years at
that point. So yeah, I was just kind of living life.
I just went to high school and stuff like that,
like I was just trying to you know, so again,
so I was very disassociated from that money kind of thing.
(13:17):
And then I said, I almost had a weird survivers
skuilt about it. Even though it's my money, Like it
was very strange.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
That's fascinating because it's like, you know, I would assume,
I mean, it was so huge, and I know this
sounds maybe weird, but but I think it's similar. Like
remember when Leo did Titanic and he was just exploded. Yeah,
you know, I think that was I would say, just
because I'm you're around your age, that that was you
(13:47):
and home alone.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It was so huge, it was it was quite a
big deal. I mean, you know, I mean you're saying yeah,
and you know it was a big deal. It was.
It was the number one movie for thirteen weeks.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
It's like you know, like you know, you're like given
the big movies now only get two weeks.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, And it must have been so incredibly like to
be that age and did not really have the understanding
of like fame, it must have been a bit jarring.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, it was a bit jarring. But at the same time, again,
it was a little bit of like, yeah, of course,
like you know, I'm doing movies, so eventually I'm going
to be a movie star. Yeah, you know, there was
a little bit of that kind of simplistic logic. Y. Yeah,
it was a simplicit kind of nine year old, ten
year old kind of just like looking at go yeah,
like yeah, it's a big deal. Again, this is what
happens to everybody, you know, like like you know, who
(14:40):
really does it, you know, drives and stuff like that.
It's like, no, I mean I was very lucky. Listen.
If I was a year older or a year younger,
you know what I mean, my whole life would be
like completely different because I would have been the wrong
age for that. Like, you know, I was the right age.
You know, like a lot of stories lined up for that.
You know. Look, I'm not stupid.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Were you humble or was there a part of you
because you did have this sort of you know, expectation
of this is the natural progression where we're like, yeah,
fuck yeah, I'm king ship right now.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
No, no, no, I definitely I definitely wasn't like braggadocious
or anything like that. But I always had an inherent
coffiness to it. I mean I think that's kind of
why I you know, I was able to do a
lot of things like that like that. That's some of
the appeal was that I was kind of this very
confident kid, you know, like like you know, even borderline copy.
But but but I never like went to school and
(15:34):
like flaunted that kind of stuff. And it's like a
movie star. If anything. It was everyone else that was
being weird of course, like you know, like you know,
like I remember, like, but fine, I remember I was
I was in Catholic school, and I was like this kid, James.
We never hung out, never talked or anything like that,
like you know, and there's this is like a Catholic school.
(15:54):
There's like forty kids and like there's like a like
a cattle car of kids and every but he also like, hey,
uh can I walk you home to school from school?
Or like uh yeah, sure, James. And so we're walking
and then he just starts asking me questions about like
so how do you get an agent? And you know,
like so how did you do this? I was like, okay,
you're being weird about this, all right? Yeah, like oh
(16:18):
like yeah, oh now we're friends because you because you
want me to tell you how to get an agent,
like you're being weird.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Sure, of course, I'm sure it sharpened you though, you know,
just as far as just the human condition goes and
how you're how you perceive people, because you've had you've
had to sort of weed out the truth, the real people,
the authentics, and then the.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Always say people say, oh, you have an old soul.
I said, I don't. I don't have an old soul.
My soul is just old right like an age. Life
has done it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Really, I wonder like, did you did you feel, because,
like you said, you you kind of quit you kind
of like WHOA, Well, let's start with this. How were
your blings with your stardom so young, Like did it
affect your relationships with them in any way?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, to a certain extent. Yeah, I mean my older
brother was always protective of me and stuff. But you know,
it was tricky because again I was kind of away
like a lot. I was away almost like half the year,
and so it was tricky. Like you know, this happened
also like even with like school, with schoolmates, but mostly
with my family. I felt it the most was I'd
(17:29):
be gone for like you know, three or four months
or something like that, and I'd come back and they
would have like all new kind of like inside jokes
and kind of like new things that were into and
sometimes they weren't necessarily keen to plug me into that
kind of stuff, you know, like, oh, this is our
stuff that we're doing over here, like you missed it.
You should have been there, like you know, that kind
of stuff. So that kind of thing, you know. But
(17:51):
again that's kind of like you know, of course, you know,
seven and eight year olds are not going to be
sensitive to know those kind of feelings, you know. And
I don't have the or emotional vocabulary too to engage
in that kind of way either. So that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I had that. I never thought of that like that,
like I I because we up until middle school, we
would go with our mom and then we would we
were back and forth between Colorado and Los Angeles. So
like I, maybe Oliver didn't, but I always felt like
that a little bit too, Like I'd come back and
(18:28):
I felt just on the outside, you know, and I wasn't,
you know, I didn't have the investment of that connection.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
And I don't. I don't blame them for not because
they have their thing that they do. I blame At
the same time, it was also a little weird, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, I mean, look, there there's always competition among siblings,
whether it be healthy or unhealthy. There you know, there
is that, there is there is envy, there is jealousy
and and.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And especially that you're talking about siblings. I was talking
about school, but.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
A similar kind of thing though, like exactly the way.
And then come back and everyone's wat I never even
heard of you know that they're not.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Going to tell me, but specifically with their siblings, it's like,
all right, well he's got all that ship, we have
this and this is our thing.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I don't I don't think it was that kind of pettiness.
I think it was just done.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I mean, you made it sound so terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Well let's get your siblings on and I feel like
I might be right.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You know, they're all they're all on the East coast
right now. I'm the only West Coaster. I'm actually the
only one who ever really lived outside of New York.
Everyone else is New York. Yeah, yeah, and I'm the
one like like, you know, I lived in you know,
I've lived out here. This is my second stint living
out here. Yeah. I lived in London for a year.
I lived in Paris for five years. Like I'm always like,
(19:51):
you know, I'm you know, at one point I was
just kind of a tramp homes where my boots were,
you know, like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Where's your favorite?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I love living here now, I mean, of course, listen,
I have a beautiful home, but it's not about the home.
It's what's inside of it. And you know, run down
the boys and all of a sudden, this is the best, right,
you know. But outside of that, out to say I
loved Paris, like Paris was great, Like, yes, I had
a really great flat there.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So what made you decide to just why'd you quit?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Oh? I was tired, man, I was so tired. And
the thing is is that I remember when I was
probably about eleven or twelve, I remember talking to my
father and I said, I'm getting tired, like I think
I need a break, and he goes, yeah, yeah, I'll
look into it and do the next thing. I was
in the next thing, the next thing. I was like,
oh I'm stuck now, I'm stuck before. And it's the
thing I could even see like in my performances and
(20:40):
just my general air and stuff like that, like it
was just like it was just kind of I didn't.
I didn't really I felt trapped. So now I it
started feeling a job and a chore. Was before it
was fun and I felt natural and things like that,
and so it kind of I kind of took the
wind own of my sails. And so what I turned
to fourteen, my dad and my mom are having a
(21:02):
having a thing. They would kind of split out, and
I said, great, I quit, because now he's out of
picture of the great I quit. I said, I you know,
I hope you guys had a good time. I hope
I hope you guys all made as much money as
you possibly could, because there's no more coming from me.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
And uh, and that was it.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I took. I started taking, you know, I started taking
ownership of myself. And so yeah, that's pretty much what
I did, you know. And I just I was like
everyone kept on saying, oh, you know, you're fourteen going
on forty, and I go, no, I want to be
fourteen going on fifteen. That's what I wanted to do.
And so that's what I did. So, you know, I
went to high school and you know, I got married again.
I did all kinds of like things, you know, yeah,
(21:37):
and it's uh, it was lovely. And then all of
a sudden, I kind of just started getting a bit
of an inch and so I kind of just did
my toe back in the water and I did a
really wonderful play in London I did. I did west
End for a ready a year and then and then
uh yeah, and then.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
How long ago was this? When when did that it
start to sort of this.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Is about two thousands, about twenty five years ago, okay, yeah.
But also I I've quit many times since then too,
and actually technically I'm I'm in a state of constant retirement.
So so I'm retired, Okay, good. Then then I book
a gig and I retire, and I do that gig
and as soon as the gig's over, I retire again.
So it's a good philosophy.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Because it's a great mentality.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, because it's like there's no sweat on me. That's
oh I need this career kind of thing. And also
I treat every gig like the last gig I'm ever
going to do, because you know, I'm going to retire.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
So I'm going to do that from now. It's a
good headspace to be in because there you're not you're
not stressing, you're not searching, you're not anticipating. It's like, no,
I've retired.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Great. It's also because I because you know, I was like,
oh you got me at a retirement to.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Do this right. It's also it also has a kind
of a like it's a good way of thinking for
an industry that's just so tumultuous and unpredictable continuously.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
You know. Yeah, yeah, they're like.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Instead of being like, oh, I'm so reliant on this,
it's like I'm never relying, I'm.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Never going to work again.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Oh no, theired my whole life.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I've more time for my kids. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, when you quit and you're still at home, so
it's not like you quit you're emancipated and you're living
on your own, but you're like, sorry, guys, I'm doing
my own fucking thing. I'm fourteen. This is my choice.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Was there ever any animosity or any sort of well
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Like we need you?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Or were your parents just kind of like hey, great.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
No, we were we were we were pretty well set. Uh. Also,
my parents were kind of going through uh right, yeah,
but going to like it wasn't like a divorce because
they weren't married, but it's kind of a custody trial
kind of thing. Uh, So they were they were busy
doing that. They're all tangled up with each other, you know, yeah,
fighting they're too busy fighting each other to job you
go go after meet really and yeah, honestly, there's also
(23:55):
there was like yeah, I wasn't like emancipated, so like yeah,
but also, like I said, I had a certain metap autonomy,
like they're like, oh, you're going to do this movie.
But at that point I go, no, fuck you, what
are you gonna do? Yeah, like you know, like yeah,
you know, I remember it was during the whole custing thing.
I wanted nothing to do with my fucking father, like
(24:15):
he was just the worst. And the judge was like,
well you have to, you know, you have you have
to do visitations with him, and essentially so so I
didn't do this. I didn't say to the judge I
was I was sweat. I was a smartests but I
wasn't that much of a smart aess. But I told
my lawyer I said, yeah, I'm not doing that. He's like, well,
you know, you'll be into content of court and this
and that. I go, okay, well how about this. I
(24:37):
dare the judge to put me in jail for not
wanting to visit his abusive father. Yeah, And I also
I actually I'm going to double down on that I
double dare him to arrest the most famous kid in
the world. Yea, And I never played that card, you know,
but that was the one time I kind of played
that card kind of go yeah yeah, and it's like yeah,
next thing, you know, it's like what are you gonna do?
So it's one of the same thing. It's like, oh,
what do they try to force to go back to work?
(24:58):
I'm like, no, what if I said no? Yeah, you know,
because I can really embarrass you guys, So.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You don't talk to your dad all.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I haven't spoken to him, and what would it be
about thirty something years? Oh yeah, yeah, oh he did.
He deserves it too. You know, he's a man who
has he had seven kids and now he has four
grandkids and uh none of them want anything to do
with him.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
You know. So I would know as as a man
myself that I would know that I fucked up. I
really I must have done something wrong. And I have
more than an inkling that he does not feel that way, right,
like we're wrong and he's right, Like he's one of
those kind of like narcissistic crazy people. Uh So it's
kind of like yeah, like but also me and him
(25:47):
were always button heads. Like I said, he was a
bad man. Uh, And I just always knew because I
would take I would take his whoopings and stuff like that.
But it was I knew, uh the whole time. I
was sitting there, going, oh, I'm gonna win. At the end,
I just to sit sight. I'll take the whippons, you know.
But I know at some point, like I'm going to
have that slip of paper meeting and I'm going to
just I'm just going to also outlast him, you know,
(26:09):
I'm just I'm going to win.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Do you even know if he's alive?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
As far as I know, he's alive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And this is all siblings, all siblings, ever, every one
of them. No one has any contact.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
As far as I know. I think my older brother
had some had some contact with him, ye at one point.
But I think that that turns our pretty fast again.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, holy ship. Well, at
least you guys are all here. He gave you all life,
and that's that's you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
It's one of my earliest memories of him was when
I grew up. This this is how I'm not going
to be with my kids. And now I got kids
in my own. It's like, you know, it makes me
even more kind of like, you know, it kicks up
some dust, you know, and I kind of go, you know,
like I can't believe he was like that. You know,
all these lovely kids and talented kids too, like you know, like,
(26:57):
you know, like the thing is, he had a certain
amount of resentment towards me, I think is what it was.
Is because he he wanted to be an actor, and
he kind of did some stuff. He literally got as
far as like Horus on Broadway, you know, and and
then he did some ballet to and so then you know,
then all of a sudden, he has this kid that
to like that didn't look anything like him. To be honest,
(27:19):
I look a lot like my mother. I don't look
like her. And uh and I right out of the
bat just was like I instantly got like the lead
stuff in the ballet company. I instantly booked all these
things like that. And I think he I think he
I think he resented me for that. I think he
kind of hated me a little bit for that, and
so I think that's why he kind of was a
little bit harsh with.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Me, isn't it amazing though. You know how you can
go one of two ways, which is you are unconsciously
following these patterns or imitating these patterns that your father,
you know, laid upon you, or you rail against them.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
He lead them out and I just did them. Well,
you made the choice, was good at them, you know,
that's sure.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
But you know what I'm saying, I'm saying. I'm saying
you made the choice to say, I'm never going to
be like my fucking dad.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, it's one of my earliest memories. Yeah, it was
because he, like I said, he was the son of
a bitch, you know, he was. He was just he
was bad to his kids, he was bad to his life.
He was bad. He was the worst person I've ever
known in my entire life, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, Oh, I know, I know. It's like
an old I always say, you know, these things are
forty year old problems, right, like you've dealt with them
for so long, and but it's still just like when
you hear it, you hear those stuff, it just it's
never always just for me as someone who can empathize differently,
(28:42):
but you know, in a different way. But I just
it just sucks.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, No, it super sucks, you know, Yeah, it sucks,
but it makes me the man I am today. Yeah,
I wouldn't be the man. I wouldn't be the father
I am today if it wasn't for my experiences, you know.
So you know, yeah, but listening, you know, and again
at the end of the day, I was like, I'm
going to win, and here I am. Yeah, I'm on
your show. So clearly I'm a winner.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
But did all the siblings have such a healthy experience?
Speaker 5 (29:12):
I mean, you obviously, you know, I have a great
you know, I took a big brunt of it because
it was a lot of times it was just when
I was on the road doing things, it was just
me and him, so I was locked in a room
with a crazy person.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
So I really took the brunt of it for the family.
But you know, they listen, they got they got their
licks too. And look I said it was he was
a bad guy just across the board.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, and what about Mom? What about Mom?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Well, you know, she she she eventually got married. She
got married about like about maybebout fifteen years ago. She's
living on a ranch in Montana. She's a rancher's wife.
And yeah, because she's originally for North Dakota. So she's
kind of going, you know, going back to the to
the the planes and just know that's how she's kind
of living on her twilight years kind of thing. You know.
(29:59):
She just took the book always for out there to
go see her and stuff, you know, and so so yeah,
so it was like yeah they I was like, did
you have a good time? They're like, uh yeah. It
was like this because they were old enough to start
because Brenda's mom lives with us, so they have a
grandma and they're like on a day to day. So
they started asking about my mom and so I was like,
you know, let's get on a plane and go over there.
(30:20):
So they're like it was it's good. You know, it's
good to see you, you know Papa's mama. Yeah, yeah,
do you have a good time? They go it was boring,
like you guys, you guys get to pet a horse
and they're like, yep, that's about the only thing we did.
Was like yeah, you're right, that's life from Montana. Just
get pedal horse and then that's it's all you got. Yeah, yeah,
(30:41):
you know, but sometimes you know, I remember one time
she was kind of moaning about her time out there,
because you know, she she did enjoy New York City,
but she was like, she goes, there's something about Montana.
I was like, what, what's bothering you? And she's like, oh,
you know, like you know, I have to like I
get up in the morning and then like you know,
I put on the clothes and then you know, I
get in the car and I dried the grocery store
and then get my stuff. I get online, I pay
for everything, I take it home and I put my
(31:03):
groceries away. It's just like so tedious. I go, wow,
you do that in New York. I don't know, is
there I was waiting for the turn. I think she
just kind of gets. I think she can get. She
feed every once in a while, you know that kind
of thing, but kind of like like that happens in
New York too. What are you talking about? Except except
minus the car part? I guess you know, Yeah, is
your what.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Are all your other siblings do? When we know that
Kiaran just won an Oscar, which is amazing.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah. Yeah, between Kieran and I we have one Oscar.
It's amazing. Yeah. We we also have an emmy, a globe,
a bath to critics of the sag. You know, yeah, yeah, Rory.
Rory actually works pretty consistently. He does a lot of
like just weird indie things and that he does a
(31:48):
lot of weird, kooky things.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I feel like I just saw him in something.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
He probably he works more than me and Kieran combined.
Like he does a lot of projects. Okay, okay, He's
always putting stuff out there. He was just like, did
the movie Mayhem? I think it was called that that
that that that, like that Swedish band with like you
know that the golf band the guitarist killed, the killer killed. Yes, yes, uh,
(32:13):
let's see. Uh. My sister she is a chef. Look,
you know that's what she does. She went to the
French Culinary Institute, so she does that. She just started
on Instagram, where you know those ones kind of like
you teach the recipe but it's like really like quick
kind of thing and then you try it. She like
wings at the camera, likesion right.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Now because I love to cook and so does Kate.
So there's always my Instagram fee.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Is filled with those what what is her Instagram?
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Her name is Quinn. She's Quinn K Cocaine.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I'm going to follower, Yes Quinn, Yes Quinn instead of
Queen Quinn. So is your plan to just you know,
work and then retire and then un retire and retire
is the idea? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Pretty much? You know. I mean sometimes, like you know,
like a you said, I got the call on Friday
that I was working Monday, and the whole weekend I'm
running the two kids around to like you know, birthday
parties and stuff like that, And yeah, I'd be lying
if I didn't say I had a bit of an
existential crisis or I was kind of just like can
I do this with two like little kids right now?
Because like the whole time, I'm trying to find some
time to work on my stuff. And yeah, by the time,
(33:23):
like you know, by the time we get home from everything,
I'm just absolutely wiped and like you know, I have
to I have to like lay down for half an
hour before I can do anything. And I would I'd
be lying if I didn't say, like I had a
bit of an existential crisis this weekend. Yeah, So you know,
I go with the wind blows when it comes to
this kind of stuff, Like you know, it's that's something
I spend a lot of time actively pursuing a lot
of times these things kind of fall into your lap.
(33:44):
Still love it though, I mean I enjoyed the work itself,
Yes I don't. I don't always enjoy the pursuit of it. Yeah,
you know, and like you know, the muck that comes
with it and just kind of you know that it
could be a drag, you know. And so yeah, and
I listen, I I've made my I've made my mark,
I've made my name. I have nothing to prove to nobody,
you know, So you know, I do it for the love,
(34:05):
you know. I do it for you know, for the
fun of it. So you know, if something sounds fun,
it comes, it comes, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
So your dad, you're Dad number one, and then you retire,
and you and retire.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Which is great because we have another season running point.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yes indeed, yeah, we need you.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
We need you with the kids holding up for it
because you know how Brenda gets like on set, it's like,
oh my god, what am I gonna do? And I
have a feel and I'm like, it's fine, it's all
going to work out. It's all going to be good.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it always works out. That that's
just her way. She she she has to do that.
She has to. Anxiety is kind of woven into her
DNA a little bit, and that's kind of a part
of her her process. You know, just generally, you know,
so they so, but you know, she she's good. I
chill her out, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
But is there is there any something else that sort
of gets you going? You know what I mean? Like
you're an actor, your dad, but you know, is there
is there something where you're like, I fucking love doing this.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Uh you know, I what I say. What I say
is I don't have time for hobbies or habits or
or or even new friends. I'm kind of in that
phase simply because I have you know, both my kids
are under four years old. I mean it's very it's
very you know, they're very tension star and we're very
(35:29):
hands on with our kids. That's the thing, Like, you know,
they're there, there's they always have a set of eyes
on them, like you know, we don't just let them
cut them loose in the front yard or something like that. Like, yeah,
they're very there, their precious little faberge eggs. So we
put a lot of time and energy into them. But
you know, listen, they they're they're very confident, they're very happy,
(35:51):
they're very smart and well adjusted. They're pretty much almost
all the things I wasn't when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You don't have children a lot more.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Oh, we'll see about that. Well, you know, we always
we always we always take the can down the road.
You know. It's actually we'll talk about it next year,
that kind of thing. You know. Honestly, right now, we're
actually in a spot where we actually have some really
great stability. Both kids are in preschool right now. Uh,
and we have a good routine. Friend to really starting
to feel like herself again.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, you have some time and you have some time
as a couple too, to like actually be together.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, you know, and and you know what she chose
to do. She chose to Uh, we're doing pilates together.
I loved that. Oh yeah, man, it is. It is killer.
It is one of the most humbling experiences in my life. Yeah,
it hurts. I am so tired, I'm so wipe afterwards,
always out of shape. But I did it was a
bit out of shape before I started as like I
(36:46):
need to like, I need to get back to zero
before you start thinking about doing other things. I was
definitely starting a negative in the red. Yeah, so I'm
working my way back up there. So yeah, we do
pilates together. Also, she looks really good work out outfits,
so yeah, that's that's also a nice nice to be
a part of. And so yeah, but also, like I said,
it's humbling. It is absolutely exhausting. I feel totally terrible
(37:11):
for like that. It's like five hours after every but
but you know, but again it's so there's like things
like that that we'll we'll do like but again a
year ago, we wouldn't have the time for that. That's
so we're starting to kind of find some stability and
a rhythm a little bit. So we're kind of enjoyed
this for a little while and see how we feel.
So every time every time she makes pictures of our
(37:31):
like babies, like when they were infants, or if somebody
like has like a little baby around, it's like I
can tell she gets her over start aching a little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And of course now that's when my my overary start
doing pirouettes. Ye. Yes, Like I held a baby yesterday
on Sunday and I was just like, oh.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I know, but then you can give it back and
you're like all right, I did it three of them.
I'm good. But overall it seems like you've got you
Your life is just fucking fabulous right now.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, I'm really happy and a really great yeah feels
I feel really good. I probably the best place in
my entire life.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, well, thanks for joining us. This was Your life
is so fascinating. I honestly could go like much deeper
into all of these things, and maybe we'll do it again.
I just bring Quinn on.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, I just love I think you're just you know,
there's so much that could have gone wrong now that
I've just talked to you for an hour that didn't
and it seems like you've got such a good head
about you. You know, you would think that because you
found stardom so young, you would want to chase that,
and there's some negativity around that, but you're just so
forward thinking and in the moment, and it's so nice.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Well I always say, thank of this it was me
and not someone else.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
We'll be talking to you.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
You're the best.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
We'll see you soon. By Oh, he's the best. That
was so nice.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I was just happy as he this.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
You'll get there all you'll get there.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
No, maybe not, but it's okay.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I love you. I have to go love you too, Okay.
Byte
Hi, I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We are sibling rail No, no, sibling. You don't do
that with your mouth. Revel. That's good, Oliver. I'm excited
(00:39):
for what for mcaulleae cole Kin.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, let's bring him in, okay.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Ollie Mack obviously is married to Brenda Song, who plays
Ali on our show Running Point, and is like the
greatest ever point we got to get.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I've been going over this with her for yous now,
even though the show has only been on everyone even Branda.
We're calling him it running point and it's not You're
not You can't emphasize running because you're you're you're you're
running point. I was wondering what you're going, like the
basketball over trying to the point that point you're running point.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
We are running point.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
It's the show about shooting hoops. Yes, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's not the running point meaning like I'm running. It's
like I'm running point, like it's a point card. I'm
I'm I'm the tip of.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
The spearman takes Yes, but I do understand your point.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Now, we have all kinds of of connections to Mac,
but our biggest connection to Mac was Mac was in
school with our brother Boston in New York, that's right,
and way back in the day.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
It was eighth grade. I think it was only for
one year.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, yeah, And I remember Boston always like just he
was like could believe he was in school?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Was what school was, wasn't it school for like high
performing artists or something.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Professional children in school? So it's for pretty much kids
who had like day jobs.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Essentially.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It was a lot of Juilliard musicians, a lot of
School of American Ballet ballet dancers.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
But you grew up in New York.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, I'm born and raised there.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Okay, seven siblings, I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Third of seven, so six siblings, holy shit, yeah crazy,
I have four brothers. Yeah, so yeah, we're raising two
boys over here. And yeah, when I was a little
worried that, like you know, like Dak kind of didn't
really like Carson at first and this and then ago, honey,
don't worry about it, like you know, take it from me.
Tons of brothers, It's going to be fine. Like the
(02:46):
so once the little one starts walking and talking and
able to play and stuff like that. You know, like
then they're gonna be just fine, and now they're they're
best buds.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, of course you have amazing insight into all that,
and you never know how it's all going to roll
out either, you know, I mean you especially having that
many siblings there, there are probably so many different relationship dynamics.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Absolutely, yes, yes, yeah, I know, yeah, you know, and
sometimes like one of my siblings, I remember, we didn't
speak for about this is the adults for like eight
months over a game of Monopoly. You know, we're in
our twenties, you know what I mean. It's like I'm
mad about the wording of the rules, you know, was
just like you know, like you know, yeah, so let's
(03:25):
just say that's the last time I played Monopoly with them.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah wait so you so you how so? So there's
four boys, three girls?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Uh no, five boys. I'm a four brothers plus me
as five.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Oh, five boys, two girls?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And where are you in the third? You're the third
and above you is all is boys.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
No, no, it's brother and sister. And then Kieren's right
below me. So and we're all we're all pretty much,
almost exactly two years apart. My older brother and sister,
they're they're actually born in the exact same day, two
years apart. So yeah, there's seven kids and six birthdays,
you know.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, wow, that's that's really odd.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, actually, I can tell you the I just one
three hundred and sixty five point four, Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Exactly, so so so so your mom must have started young.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, she started pretty young. Uh, let's see by the time. Yeah,
I think I was like she had me when she
was about twenty five, and so she probably started when
she was about twenty one zero. Where every every two years,
it's like, you know, they're exactly two years apart on
two years two months, My karents two years one month,
you know, my sister's two years two months, like pretty much.
(04:39):
I think they kept on doing it around Christmas time
it's cold and she had nothing better to do in
New York City, right, It's just like, yes, they all
were kind of around the same time, about nine months after,
you know, nine months after it was cold.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And how did how did your how did your parents
raise you with that many children? Meaning was it a
lot of like, hey, you know what you're gonna have
to take care of yourself.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You know, there's definitely a lot of that. Yeah, it
was definitely a little bit kind of like all right,
kids a go and again like you know, you get
this next one to take care of. So yeah, we
were a bit a bit feral, I would say, bit feral.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Especially in the right because you were able to just walk,
you just cruise around the city, right, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Back then even it's kind of like yeah, like you know,
I'm six years old and I'm walking ten blocks to
school by myself, like that would never let a six
year old walk ten blocks in Never in a million years. Crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Isn't it amazing what we did you know, or what
we were allowed to do or it was just normal
that we wouldn't do now.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
No, yeah, it was just it was just a style
of the time back in my day. Yeah, we're in
that place in our lives, you know. Yeah, yeah, I
wish it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Was still like that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, it's the more we know, the more fear we have.
I Mean, the truth is is I think you know,
at least la is less, is more safe than it's
ever been, But we have more fear than we've ever had,
you know, because everything is so right here we see
it access.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
We have so much true crime to watch and listen
to you and stuff like that. You know, it gets
it gets there just yeah, it cuts you like a
paper cut and next thing you know, you're just covered
in paper cuts. Now you're just like, I'm going to
avoid paper all together.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Ye, well how did your was your were your parents artists?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
No? No, My my mom was a telephone operator at night.
Uh and my father was a sacristine at a church.
So he's pretty much it almost like a way of
saying janitor. But he helped set up masks and things
like that as well as maintain the church. And so
that's that's what we did. That's what that's what we're
able to go to Catholic school for free pretty much.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And how did you so? So did you You all
lived together, all seven kids in New York City.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
In a one bedroom apartment. Yeah, so they were they
were they were stacking us in bunk beds and stuff
like that. Like you yeah, like we were like we
were like we're like a can of sardines, nine nine people,
one bedroom apartment.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You know, you know, was it hard to feed all
you guys?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I mean this?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, we didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
We didn't always have we didn't always have a we
didn't always we were we were we were definitely a
food poor. Uh. The lights weren't always on, the heat
wasn't always on, you know, things like that, like you know,
sometimes we didn't have the gas on. It was it
was definitely we were. We were struggling there for a
long time.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And religion was religion.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Big wasn't even know we weren't religious, but you know,
we didn't get baptized and did I did do my
first communion. I've done a couple of sacraments, but uh,
but yeah, but it's also a lot of it just
kind of keeping up appearances, you know for the school.
They were really a religious family. You know, yeah we
were there artists.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Were there artists in your family? I know you and
your brother, But was it was it was just something
that permeated.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Uh no, not really listen. I just had a lot
of energy. It was what it was. And it was
actually my my father was taking up my older brother
and sister to go take some headshots, like in the
park or something like that. And my mom, I think,
just because whatever, I think she wanted a break because
she was probably taking care of like three other kids.
She was like, just take Mac with you, just take them,
you know. Yeah, so uh uh and then next you know,
(08:02):
I literally like just I booked the first thing I
went out for. I booked the second thing I went
out for, and the third thing, and this and that
and then you know, next.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Because you're the cutest baby ever.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
You were so cute before we get into how cute
he is still but the way I was, no, but
but so you you booked the things that you got.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
But was it your mom, you know, who said well
we're going to put you into this world or you
have desires to do it?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
No? No, I mean kind of just started happening a
little bit. The dominoes felt pretty fast. And like I said,
we were, you know, we didn't really have a lot
of money, and I'll listen, I can start bringing some money.
So then they then you know, then kind of became
an opportunity and so uh then my father kind of
just grabbed the reins. It was kind of like, you know,
go go yeah. But you know, like like I said,
early on, look I did some studio theater, the Ensemble
Studio Theater in New York, and uh, Uh, it's like,
(08:55):
you know, next thing, you know, I'm getting a glowing
review in the New York Times and so it's kind
of just like things like that. So it's kind of
like they try to like just kept on just doing
it and doing it. So I pretty much just did
like a lot of studio theater. Uh. I did like
one or two commercials, but it was like literally just
straight into movies and then I started booking and booking
and booking, and then you know, like within about within
the first two years, I'm working with you know, John
Hughes and John Candy and stuff like that, and then
(09:16):
it just like off to the races like for me
like that, like for me, like it all kind of
made like that made sense to me. It's like, you know,
you start small and you build, and you build and
you build, and it's like, yeah, then you become a
big star. Yeah, that's the that's the hero's journey. You
know that that makes sense for my you know, that's
that's what Luke Skywalker does. You know, the logic makes
sense to to to a six seventy eight year old
(09:38):
that kind of Yeah, what was your first movie? It
was called Rocket Gibraltar. Uh, it's actually I think it's
a Burt Lancaster. I think it might even be his
last movie. And but it was a lot of New
York theater actors at the time, so you know, I
was doing a lot of studio theater at the time.
It was like Bill Pullman, Kevin Spacey, Patricia Clarkson, stuff
(09:58):
like that. But all like this is like you were
talking nineteen eighty six, you know, so we're all like,
you know, it's unknowns and it's about like a family
reunion kind of thing. You know, it's cute, it's cute.
It's actually showed some of it to uh Brenda during
the pandemic and she was like, oh my god, I'm six,
so I'm even cute. Who were mine? And I think
she said next, I think she's pregnant at the time too,
so she's like rubbing her belly, going, oh, walk is
(10:20):
you too? And I'm like, of course, like it's gonna
be cute.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Oh my god. Wow. So then how long had you
been working before you booked Home Alone?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I started like doing stuff when I was six. I
started I did Home Alone when I was nine, so
about three years, you know, and at that point that
was probably about my sixth or seventh movie. Like I
was doing like two movies a year, you know. Plus
also I was also dancing ballet professionally too. I went
to the school American Ballet s A B. So I
would do a season there and then uh, well I
would do a season there and then I go off
(10:52):
and do Uncle Buck, and then I come back, I
do another season there, and I go off and do
Home alone, you know, and like things like that. So
like so like Uncle Buck was in theaters and was
doing ballet on Lincoln Center, like you know, like that
kind of thing. Like you know, it was just it
was just that the you know, I mean, I enjoyed dancing.
I was good at it, but it was also uh
the parts, and the money was coming in fast on
the other side. So you know, we pretty much dropped.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
That well with the money situation and your parents and
you know, you being sort of the cash cow. How
did that work? Was it pretty easy? Pasy?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I mean, I mean, I'm just a kid, and I
do the work, you know what I mean. Like, I mean,
it wasn't you know, those kinds of dynamics.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
But you found yourself coming out of sort of poverty
and you're eating regularly and shit is expanding.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah, no, of course it's very funny.
I mean, you know, one year, I'm eating out of
can so the next thing I know, you know, we're
in a bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel. But again
that's kind of you don't know any better, Like you know,
you have to remember your kid, so you don't really
have a perspective on these kind of things, right, you know,
it's like, yeah, it's like your question, you're older, you
can come.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Is this where my money's going down?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah? But you know the dish, no, the student for
those But did you know that you were the source
of this, not that you were you know, did you
have I did you know?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah I did. But also like, uh, but.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
There was no pressure. There was like I'm the guy
who's doing it.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
But I do not until later, not until later. And
again that's when you start getting getting older, having more
perspective and things like that. But also like you know,
they were very good about like not telling me how
much I was making. It was like that, and so
you know, again it's not like they didn't want me
to going to school, going like hey, guy, I'm just
mad a million dollars, like, you know, they were very
good about kind of trying to keep that kind of aside.
(12:34):
I mean, it really wasn't until I was eighteen. I
turned eighteen, and I called it the piece of paper.
The piece of piece of paper meeting. So I sat
down with my business manager and he like literally just
slides a piece of paper like up like the downside,
you know, don and slides and just that here's a
breakdown and everything. And that was the first time I
actually got a perspective of how much I had earned
over the years. Yeah, it was very funny. My feeling
(12:56):
was very funny. It was just I felt like some
kid worked really really hard and I inherited his money.
Like I was kind of disassociated from it at that
point because also that at that point I hadn't I quit.
I'd been quit for about four or five years at
that point. So yeah, I was just kind of living life.
I just went to high school and stuff like that,
like I was just trying to you know, so again,
so I was very disassociated from that money kind of thing.
(13:17):
And then I said, I almost had a weird survivers
skuilt about it. Even though it's my money, Like it
was very strange.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
That's fascinating because it's like, you know, I would assume,
I mean, it was so huge, and I know this
sounds maybe weird, but but I think it's similar. Like
remember when Leo did Titanic and he was just exploded. Yeah,
you know, I think that was I would say, just
because I'm you're around your age, that that was you
(13:47):
and home alone.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It was so huge, it was it was quite a
big deal. I mean, you know, I mean you're saying yeah,
and you know it was a big deal. It was.
It was the number one movie for thirteen weeks.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
It's like you know, like you know, you're like given
the big movies now only get two weeks.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, And it must have been so incredibly like to
be that age and did not really have the understanding
of like fame, it must have been a bit jarring.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, it was a bit jarring. But at the same time, again,
it was a little bit of like, yeah, of course,
like you know, I'm doing movies, so eventually I'm going
to be a movie star. Yeah, you know, there was
a little bit of that kind of simplistic logic. Y. Yeah,
it was a simplicit kind of nine year old, ten
year old kind of just like looking at go yeah,
like yeah, it's a big deal. Again, this is what
happens to everybody, you know, like like you know, who
(14:40):
really does it, you know, drives and stuff like that.
It's like, no, I mean I was very lucky. Listen.
If I was a year older or a year younger,
you know what I mean, my whole life would be
like completely different because I would have been the wrong
age for that. Like, you know, I was the right age.
You know, like a lot of stories lined up for that.
You know. Look, I'm not stupid.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Were you humble or was there a part of you
because you did have this sort of you know, expectation
of this is the natural progression where we're like, yeah,
fuck yeah, I'm king ship right now.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
No, no, no, I definitely I definitely wasn't like braggadocious
or anything like that. But I always had an inherent
coffiness to it. I mean I think that's kind of
why I you know, I was able to do a
lot of things like that like that. That's some of
the appeal was that I was kind of this very
confident kid, you know, like like you know, even borderline copy.
But but but I never like went to school and
(15:34):
like flaunted that kind of stuff. And it's like a
movie star. If anything. It was everyone else that was
being weird of course, like you know, like you know,
like I remember, like, but fine, I remember I was
I was in Catholic school, and I was like this kid, James.
We never hung out, never talked or anything like that,
like you know, and there's this is like a Catholic school.
(15:54):
There's like forty kids and like there's like a like
a cattle car of kids and every but he also like, hey,
uh can I walk you home to school from school?
Or like uh yeah, sure, James. And so we're walking
and then he just starts asking me questions about like
so how do you get an agent? And you know,
like so how did you do this? I was like, okay,
you're being weird about this, all right? Yeah, like oh
(16:18):
like yeah, oh now we're friends because you because you
want me to tell you how to get an agent,
like you're being weird.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Sure, of course, I'm sure it sharpened you though, you know,
just as far as just the human condition goes and
how you're how you perceive people, because you've had you've
had to sort of weed out the truth, the real people,
the authentics, and then the.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Always say people say, oh, you have an old soul.
I said, I don't. I don't have an old soul.
My soul is just old right like an age. Life
has done it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Really, I wonder like, did you did you feel, because,
like you said, you you kind of quit you kind
of like WHOA, Well, let's start with this. How were
your blings with your stardom so young, Like did it
affect your relationships with them in any way?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, to a certain extent. Yeah, I mean my older
brother was always protective of me and stuff. But you know,
it was tricky because again I was kind of away
like a lot. I was away almost like half the year,
and so it was tricky. Like you know, this happened
also like even with like school, with schoolmates, but mostly
with my family. I felt it the most was I'd
(17:29):
be gone for like you know, three or four months
or something like that, and I'd come back and they
would have like all new kind of like inside jokes
and kind of like new things that were into and
sometimes they weren't necessarily keen to plug me into that
kind of stuff, you know, like, oh, this is our
stuff that we're doing over here, like you missed it.
You should have been there, like you know, that kind
of stuff. So that kind of thing, you know. But
(17:51):
again that's kind of like you know, of course, you know,
seven and eight year olds are not going to be
sensitive to know those kind of feelings, you know. And
I don't have the or emotional vocabulary too to engage
in that kind of way either. So that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I had that. I never thought of that like that,
like I I because we up until middle school, we
would go with our mom and then we would we
were back and forth between Colorado and Los Angeles. So
like I, maybe Oliver didn't, but I always felt like
that a little bit too, Like I'd come back and
(18:28):
I felt just on the outside, you know, and I wasn't,
you know, I didn't have the investment of that connection.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
And I don't. I don't blame them for not because
they have their thing that they do. I blame At
the same time, it was also a little weird, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, I mean, look, there there's always competition among siblings,
whether it be healthy or unhealthy. There you know, there
is that, there is there is envy, there is jealousy
and and.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And especially that you're talking about siblings. I was talking
about school, but.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
A similar kind of thing though, like exactly the way.
And then come back and everyone's wat I never even
heard of you know that they're not.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Going to tell me, but specifically with their siblings, it's like,
all right, well he's got all that ship, we have
this and this is our thing.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I don't I don't think it was that kind of pettiness.
I think it was just done.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I mean, you made it sound so terrible.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Well let's get your siblings on and I feel like
I might be right.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You know, they're all they're all on the East coast
right now. I'm the only West Coaster. I'm actually the
only one who ever really lived outside of New York.
Everyone else is New York. Yeah, yeah, and I'm the
one like like, you know, I lived in you know,
I've lived out here. This is my second stint living
out here. Yeah. I lived in London for a year.
I lived in Paris for five years. Like I'm always like,
(19:51):
you know, I'm you know, at one point I was
just kind of a tramp homes where my boots were,
you know, like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Where's your favorite?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I love living here now, I mean, of course, listen,
I have a beautiful home, but it's not about the home.
It's what's inside of it. And you know, run down
the boys and all of a sudden, this is the best, right,
you know. But outside of that, out to say I
loved Paris, like Paris was great, Like, yes, I had
a really great flat there.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So what made you decide to just why'd you quit?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Oh? I was tired, man, I was so tired. And
the thing is is that I remember when I was
probably about eleven or twelve, I remember talking to my
father and I said, I'm getting tired, like I think
I need a break, and he goes, yeah, yeah, I'll
look into it and do the next thing. I was
in the next thing, the next thing. I was like,
oh I'm stuck now, I'm stuck before. And it's the
thing I could even see like in my performances and
(20:40):
just my general air and stuff like that, like it
was just like it was just kind of I didn't.
I didn't really I felt trapped. So now I it
started feeling a job and a chore. Was before it
was fun and I felt natural and things like that,
and so it kind of I kind of took the
wind own of my sails. And so what I turned
to fourteen, my dad and my mom are having a
(21:02):
having a thing. They would kind of split out, and
I said, great, I quit, because now he's out of
picture of the great I quit. I said, I you know,
I hope you guys had a good time. I hope
I hope you guys all made as much money as
you possibly could, because there's no more coming from me.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
And uh, and that was it.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I took. I started taking, you know, I started taking
ownership of myself. And so yeah, that's pretty much what
I did, you know. And I just I was like
everyone kept on saying, oh, you know, you're fourteen going
on forty, and I go, no, I want to be
fourteen going on fifteen. That's what I wanted to do.
And so that's what I did. So, you know, I
went to high school and you know, I got married again.
I did all kinds of like things, you know, yeah,
(21:37):
and it's uh, it was lovely. And then all of
a sudden, I kind of just started getting a bit
of an inch and so I kind of just did
my toe back in the water and I did a
really wonderful play in London I did. I did west
End for a ready a year and then and then
uh yeah, and then.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
How long ago was this? When when did that it
start to sort of this.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Is about two thousands, about twenty five years ago, okay, yeah.
But also I I've quit many times since then too,
and actually technically I'm I'm in a state of constant retirement.
So so I'm retired, Okay, good. Then then I book
a gig and I retire, and I do that gig
and as soon as the gig's over, I retire again.
So it's a good philosophy.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Because it's a great mentality.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, because it's like there's no sweat on me. That's
oh I need this career kind of thing. And also
I treat every gig like the last gig I'm ever
going to do, because you know, I'm going to retire.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
So I'm going to do that from now. It's a
good headspace to be in because there you're not you're
not stressing, you're not searching, you're not anticipating. It's like, no,
I've retired.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Great. It's also because I because you know, I was like,
oh you got me at a retirement to.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Do this right. It's also it also has a kind
of a like it's a good way of thinking for
an industry that's just so tumultuous and unpredictable continuously.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
You know. Yeah, yeah, they're like.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Instead of being like, oh, I'm so reliant on this,
it's like I'm never relying, I'm.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Never going to work again.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Oh no, theired my whole life.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I've more time for my kids. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, when you quit and you're still at home, so
it's not like you quit you're emancipated and you're living
on your own, but you're like, sorry, guys, I'm doing
my own fucking thing. I'm fourteen. This is my choice.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Now.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Was there ever any animosity or any sort of well
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Like we need you?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Or were your parents just kind of like hey, great.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
No, we were we were we were pretty well set. Uh. Also,
my parents were kind of going through uh right, yeah,
but going to like it wasn't like a divorce because
they weren't married, but it's kind of a custody trial
kind of thing. Uh, So they were they were busy
doing that. They're all tangled up with each other, you know, yeah,
fighting they're too busy fighting each other to job you
go go after meet really and yeah, honestly, there's also
(23:55):
there was like yeah, I wasn't like emancipated, so like yeah,
but also, like I said, I had a certain metap autonomy,
like they're like, oh, you're going to do this movie.
But at that point I go, no, fuck you, what
are you gonna do? Yeah, like you know, like yeah,
you know, I remember it was during the whole custing thing.
I wanted nothing to do with my fucking father, like
(24:15):
he was just the worst. And the judge was like,
well you have to, you know, you have you have
to do visitations with him, and essentially so so I
didn't do this. I didn't say to the judge I
was I was sweat. I was a smartests but I
wasn't that much of a smart aess. But I told
my lawyer I said, yeah, I'm not doing that. He's like, well,
you know, you'll be into content of court and this
and that. I go, okay, well how about this. I
(24:37):
dare the judge to put me in jail for not
wanting to visit his abusive father. Yeah, And I also
I actually I'm going to double down on that I
double dare him to arrest the most famous kid in
the world. Yea, And I never played that card, you know,
but that was the one time I kind of played
that card kind of go yeah yeah, and it's like yeah,
next thing, you know, it's like what are you gonna do?
So it's one of the same thing. It's like, oh,
what do they try to force to go back to work?
(24:58):
I'm like, no, what if I said no? Yeah, you know,
because I can really embarrass you guys, So.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
You don't talk to your dad all.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I haven't spoken to him, and what would it be
about thirty something years? Oh yeah, yeah, oh he did.
He deserves it too. You know, he's a man who
has he had seven kids and now he has four
grandkids and uh none of them want anything to do
with him.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
You know. So I would know as as a man
myself that I would know that I fucked up. I
really I must have done something wrong. And I have
more than an inkling that he does not feel that way, right,
like we're wrong and he's right, Like he's one of
those kind of like narcissistic crazy people. Uh So it's
kind of like yeah, like but also me and him
(25:47):
were always button heads. Like I said, he was a
bad man. Uh, And I just always knew because I
would take I would take his whoopings and stuff like that.
But it was I knew, uh the whole time. I
was sitting there, going, oh, I'm gonna win. At the end,
I just to sit sight. I'll take the whippons, you know.
But I know at some point, like I'm going to
have that slip of paper meeting and I'm going to
just I'm just going to also outlast him, you know,
(26:09):
I'm just I'm going to win.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Do you even know if he's alive?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
As far as I know, he's alive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And this is all siblings, all siblings, ever, every one
of them. No one has any contact.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
As far as I know. I think my older brother
had some had some contact with him, ye at one point.
But I think that that turns our pretty fast again.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, holy ship. Well, at
least you guys are all here. He gave you all life,
and that's that's you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
It's one of my earliest memories of him was when
I grew up. This this is how I'm not going
to be with my kids. And now I got kids
in my own. It's like, you know, it makes me
even more kind of like, you know, it kicks up
some dust, you know, and I kind of go, you know,
like I can't believe he was like that. You know,
all these lovely kids and talented kids too, like you know, like,
(26:57):
you know, like the thing is, he had a certain
amount of resentment towards me, I think is what it was.
Is because he he wanted to be an actor, and
he kind of did some stuff. He literally got as
far as like Horus on Broadway, you know, and and
then he did some ballet to and so then you know,
then all of a sudden, he has this kid that
to like that didn't look anything like him. To be honest,
(27:19):
I look a lot like my mother. I don't look
like her. And uh and I right out of the
bat just was like I instantly got like the lead
stuff in the ballet company. I instantly booked all these
things like that. And I think he I think he
I think he resented me for that. I think he
kind of hated me a little bit for that, and
so I think that's why he kind of was a
little bit harsh with.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Me, isn't it amazing though. You know how you can
go one of two ways, which is you are unconsciously
following these patterns or imitating these patterns that your father,
you know, laid upon you, or you rail against them.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
He lead them out and I just did them. Well,
you made the choice, was good at them, you know,
that's sure.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
But you know what I'm saying, I'm saying. I'm saying
you made the choice to say, I'm never going to
be like my fucking dad.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, it's one of my earliest memories. Yeah, it was
because he, like I said, he was the son of
a bitch, you know, he was. He was just he
was bad to his kids, he was bad to his life.
He was bad. He was the worst person I've ever
known in my entire life, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, Oh, I know, I know. It's like
an old I always say, you know, these things are
forty year old problems, right, like you've dealt with them
for so long, and but it's still just like when
you hear it, you hear those stuff, it just it's
never always just for me as someone who can empathize differently,
(28:42):
but you know, in a different way. But I just
it just sucks.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, No, it super sucks, you know, Yeah, it sucks,
but it makes me the man I am today. Yeah,
I wouldn't be the man. I wouldn't be the father
I am today if it wasn't for my experiences, you know.
So you know, yeah, but listening, you know, and again
at the end of the day, I was like, I'm
going to win, and here I am. Yeah, I'm on
your show. So clearly I'm a winner.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
But did all the siblings have such a healthy experience?
Speaker 5 (29:12):
I mean, you obviously, you know, I have a great
you know, I took a big brunt of it because
it was a lot of times it was just when
I was on the road doing things, it was just
me and him, so I was locked in a room
with a crazy person.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
So I really took the brunt of it for the family.
But you know, they listen, they got they got their
licks too. And look I said it was he was
a bad guy just across the board.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, and what about Mom? What about Mom?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Well, you know, she she she eventually got married. She
got married about like about maybebout fifteen years ago. She's
living on a ranch in Montana. She's a rancher's wife.
And yeah, because she's originally for North Dakota. So she's
kind of going, you know, going back to the to
the the planes and just know that's how she's kind
of living on her twilight years kind of thing. You know.
(29:59):
She just took the book always for out there to
go see her and stuff, you know, and so so yeah,
so it was like yeah they I was like, did
you have a good time? They're like, uh yeah. It
was like this because they were old enough to start
because Brenda's mom lives with us, so they have a
grandma and they're like on a day to day. So
they started asking about my mom and so I was like,
you know, let's get on a plane and go over there.
(30:20):
So they're like it was it's good. You know, it's
good to see you, you know Papa's mama. Yeah, yeah,
do you have a good time? They go it was boring,
like you guys, you guys get to pet a horse
and they're like, yep, that's about the only thing we did.
Was like yeah, you're right, that's life from Montana. Just
get pedal horse and then that's it's all you got. Yeah, yeah,
(30:41):
you know, but sometimes you know, I remember one time
she was kind of moaning about her time out there,
because you know, she she did enjoy New York City,
but she was like, she goes, there's something about Montana.
I was like, what, what's bothering you? And she's like, oh,
you know, like you know, I have to like I
get up in the morning and then like you know,
I put on the clothes and then you know, I
get in the car and I dried the grocery store
and then get my stuff. I get online, I pay
for everything, I take it home and I put my
(31:03):
groceries away. It's just like so tedious. I go, wow,
you do that in New York. I don't know, is
there I was waiting for the turn. I think she
just kind of gets. I think she can get. She
feed every once in a while, you know that kind
of thing, but kind of like like that happens in
New York too. What are you talking about? Except except
minus the car part? I guess you know, Yeah, is
your what.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Are all your other siblings do? When we know that
Kiaran just won an Oscar, which is amazing.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah. Yeah, between Kieran and I we have one Oscar.
It's amazing. Yeah. We we also have an emmy, a globe,
a bath to critics of the sag. You know, yeah, yeah, Rory.
Rory actually works pretty consistently. He does a lot of
like just weird indie things and that he does a
(31:48):
lot of weird, kooky things.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I feel like I just saw him in something.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
He probably he works more than me and Kieran combined.
Like he does a lot of projects. Okay, okay, He's
always putting stuff out there. He was just like, did
the movie Mayhem? I think it was called that that
that that that, like that Swedish band with like you
know that the golf band the guitarist killed, the killer killed. Yes, yes, uh,
(32:13):
let's see. Uh. My sister she is a chef. Look,
you know that's what she does. She went to the
French Culinary Institute, so she does that. She just started
on Instagram, where you know those ones kind of like
you teach the recipe but it's like really like quick
kind of thing and then you try it. She like
wings at the camera, likesion right.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Now because I love to cook and so does Kate.
So there's always my Instagram fee.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Is filled with those what what is her Instagram?
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Her name is Quinn. She's Quinn K Cocaine.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I'm going to follower, Yes Quinn, Yes Quinn instead of
Queen Quinn. So is your plan to just you know,
work and then retire and then un retire and retire
is the idea? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Pretty much? You know. I mean sometimes, like you know,
like a you said, I got the call on Friday
that I was working Monday, and the whole weekend I'm
running the two kids around to like you know, birthday
parties and stuff like that, And yeah, I'd be lying
if I didn't say I had a bit of an
existential crisis or I was kind of just like can
I do this with two like little kids right now?
Because like the whole time, I'm trying to find some
time to work on my stuff. And yeah, by the time,
(33:23):
like you know, by the time we get home from everything,
I'm just absolutely wiped and like you know, I have
to I have to like lay down for half an
hour before I can do anything. And I would I'd
be lying if I didn't say, like I had a
bit of an existential crisis this weekend. Yeah, So you know,
I go with the wind blows when it comes to
this kind of stuff, Like you know, it's that's something
I spend a lot of time actively pursuing a lot
of times these things kind of fall into your lap.
(33:44):
Still love it though, I mean I enjoyed the work itself,
Yes I don't. I don't always enjoy the pursuit of it. Yeah,
you know, and like you know, the muck that comes
with it and just kind of you know that it
could be a drag, you know. And so yeah, and
I listen, I I've made my I've made my mark,
I've made my name. I have nothing to prove to nobody,
you know, So you know, I do it for the love,
(34:05):
you know. I do it for you know, for the
fun of it. So you know, if something sounds fun,
it comes, it comes, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
So your dad, you're Dad number one, and then you retire,
and you and retire.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Which is great because we have another season running point.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yes indeed, yeah, we need you.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
We need you with the kids holding up for it
because you know how Brenda gets like on set, it's like,
oh my god, what am I gonna do? And I
have a feel and I'm like, it's fine, it's all
going to work out. It's all going to be good.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it always works out. That that's
just her way. She she she has to do that.
She has to. Anxiety is kind of woven into her
DNA a little bit, and that's kind of a part
of her her process. You know, just generally, you know,
so they so, but you know, she she's good. I
chill her out, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
But is there is there any something else that sort
of gets you going? You know what I mean? Like
you're an actor, your dad, but you know, is there
is there something where you're like, I fucking love doing this.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Uh you know, I what I say. What I say
is I don't have time for hobbies or habits or
or or even new friends. I'm kind of in that
phase simply because I have you know, both my kids
are under four years old. I mean it's very it's
very you know, they're very tension star and we're very
(35:29):
hands on with our kids. That's the thing, Like, you know,
they're there, there's they always have a set of eyes
on them, like you know, we don't just let them
cut them loose in the front yard or something like that. Like, yeah,
they're very there, their precious little faberge eggs. So we
put a lot of time and energy into them. But
you know, listen, they they're they're very confident, they're very happy,
(35:51):
they're very smart and well adjusted. They're pretty much almost
all the things I wasn't when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You don't have children a lot more.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Oh, we'll see about that. Well, you know, we always
we always we always take the can down the road.
You know. It's actually we'll talk about it next year,
that kind of thing. You know. Honestly, right now, we're
actually in a spot where we actually have some really
great stability. Both kids are in preschool right now. Uh,
and we have a good routine. Friend to really starting
to feel like herself again.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, you have some time and you have some time
as a couple too, to like actually be together.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, you know, and and you know what she chose
to do. She chose to Uh, we're doing pilates together.
I loved that. Oh yeah, man, it is. It is killer.
It is one of the most humbling experiences in my life. Yeah,
it hurts. I am so tired, I'm so wipe afterwards,
always out of shape. But I did it was a
bit out of shape before I started as like I
(36:46):
need to like, I need to get back to zero
before you start thinking about doing other things. I was
definitely starting a negative in the red. Yeah, so I'm
working my way back up there. So yeah, we do
pilates together. Also, she looks really good work out outfits,
so yeah, that's that's also a nice nice to be
a part of. And so yeah, but also, like I said,
it's humbling. It is absolutely exhausting. I feel totally terrible
(37:11):
for like that. It's like five hours after every but
but you know, but again it's so there's like things
like that that we'll we'll do like but again a
year ago, we wouldn't have the time for that. That's
so we're starting to kind of find some stability and
a rhythm a little bit. So we're kind of enjoyed
this for a little while and see how we feel.
So every time every time she makes pictures of our
(37:31):
like babies, like when they were infants, or if somebody
like has like a little baby around, it's like I
can tell she gets her over start aching a little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And of course now that's when my my overary start
doing pirouettes. Ye. Yes, Like I held a baby yesterday
on Sunday and I was just like, oh.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I know, but then you can give it back and
you're like all right, I did it three of them.
I'm good. But overall it seems like you've got you
Your life is just fucking fabulous right now.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, I'm really happy and a really great yeah feels
I feel really good. I probably the best place in
my entire life.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, well, thanks for joining us. This was Your life
is so fascinating. I honestly could go like much deeper
into all of these things, and maybe we'll do it again.
I just bring Quinn on.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, I just love I think you're just you know,
there's so much that could have gone wrong now that
I've just talked to you for an hour that didn't
and it seems like you've got such a good head
about you. You know, you would think that because you
found stardom so young, you would want to chase that,
and there's some negativity around that, but you're just so
forward thinking and in the moment, and it's so nice.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Well I always say, thank of this it was me
and not someone else.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
We'll be talking to you.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
You're the best.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
We'll see you soon. By Oh, he's the best. That
was so nice.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I was just happy as he this.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
You'll get there all you'll get there.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
No, maybe not, but it's okay.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I love you. I have to go love you too, Okay.
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