Revel In It: What I Like About Jennie Garth

Formative years on a farm and six siblings to boot, Jennie Garth went from being a hometown girl to a household name.

She joins Oliver for a Hollywood style heart-to-heart where she describes being the baby in the family and how her parents created a real-life Brady Bunch!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling raivalry.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, no sibling val don't do that with your mouth.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Revely.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's good. Oh man, look at my line.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm a lot like you.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh man, look at my life. I am my god
like you. I sing that song because I just my
face just popped up on the zoom. It's ten o'clock
in the morning. You know, the lighting's not great in
my son's room because this is where I'm doing my

(01:05):
fucking podcast, because after five years of doing podcasting, I
still am, you know, have no background. I've got no
production value, I've got no aesthetic. It's kind of just me.
Sometimes it's in my son's room. Sometimes it's in my
older son's room. Sometimes I do it in the kitchen.
I gotta get my shit together. Anyway, I popped up

(01:29):
and man, you know, yeah, it's pushing fifty you know
what I'm saying, forty eight? But you know, sometimes you
pop up on the screen. You're just like, holy shit,
there you are, old man. But that's okay. You know,
because I there are doctors to help with that, you
know what I'm saying. Little pup up up, a little

(01:50):
scot scuck stuck a little too and then bang, you
know you look twenty five again or like Wayne Newton.
Either one I'll take. But I'm still young in spirit,
too young in spirit. I think my emotional intelligence has
to you know what I mean, sort of catch up

(02:15):
because I think I'm twenty. I look sixty, you know
what i mean. Like it just doesn't work when you
drink like a twenty year old, when you stay up
like a twenty year old, when you party like a
twenty year old, when you indulge like a twenty year old,
you don't bounce back the way that she used to,
you know what I'm saying. Anyway, here we are back again,

(02:45):
and we have a very fun guest in the waiting room.
She is someone who we all grew up on. For
the most part, I certainly did back when TV you
know you had to sort of wait the next week.

(03:05):
Nine O two and zero, you know, was the show
to watch, absolutely no doubt about it. Everyone had their
favorite characters, everyone, every everyone had their people who they
were sort of into and now I am talking about
Jenny Garth. Jenny Garth reached icon status back in the day.

(03:29):
Excited to talk to her about numerous things, many many things,
and let's, uh, let's bring her in. Well, look who
it is.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
It's me, Hi, Hi, How are you?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I'm good? How are you?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'm okay?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
You know what, that's the best fucking answer, because it's
just the real answer. Everyone says that we live in pleasantries.
You know, how are you? I'm good? A lot of
the times they don't answer that. I want to answer,
sort of honestly, unless I just want to get out
of the conversation, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
But like you just don't answer at all.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Then you're just like, I'm good and then you move on.
But how are you? It's like, I'm okay. You know,
there's certain parts of my life that are good, and
then there's certain parts that that could be better.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Or I just had a hard time waking up this morning,
did you I did? I don't. I hadn't been sleeping
for the last couple of nights, so I took a
sleeping pill. Oh, every time I take a sleeping pill,
I remember why I don't take sleeping pills.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, well, why were you having trouble sleeping?

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh? Is it just my brain? I know, I know
I have that issue. I have that issue the minute.
It's hard because I'll wake up at like four in
the morning and have to make a conscious effort. Now
when I'm making a conscious effort, obviously my brain is
now flipped on. But I'm still making a conscious effort
not to flip my brain on, because the minute it

(04:57):
turns on, boom, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Oh it's hard.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
No, I know, I know. I don't do the sleeping
pill thing.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, I don't recommend it.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I did. I was flying to Milan once and I
was a young buck and I had taken an ambient
and I had never taken them before on the airplane
to Milan, and I had an experience that you hear
sometimes where you don't sleep and you completely lose your shit.
And that's what happened to me on the airplane.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Wait, how did you lose your shit?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Because I was in this sort of middle ground between
sleep and wait and awake, and I didn't know where
I was. I you know, I was just in this
sort of hallosining, hallucinating state. Could not fall asleep, but
at the same time, my body was just I wanted
my soul wanted to leave. My body wanted to get

(05:48):
out of there. And it was horrible.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
That's brutal. Yeah. I usually saved them for over like
long flights, over the air flights, but yeah, something similar
like that happened to me on an overnight flight. We
my husband, he administers them to me. I don't know
if he gets in some sense of power.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
And like a little plastic cup like you're like, no,
just out of.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
His dirty pocket. But he gave me one and we
were sitting waiting to bord and and then they were like, oh,
guess what. The flight is delayed an hour. And so
I had just digging the pill and he's like, oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
So I was.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
I don't even remember that flight at all.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Oh my god. I used to be deathly afraid of flying.
I don't know where it came from. There's a control thing,
but I used to I mean, it's like throw up
before the flights. Like my wife, you know, I'd be like, look,
I'm not ignoring you. I just go super inward and
like focus and concentrate. So she dropped me off at
the airport and I would even like say goodbye because

(06:52):
I'm so worried about like throwing up, and I was horrible.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
So I used to take two Xanax and drink like
three beers same thing, and then I would be completely
loopy and crazy for about ten to fifteen minutes and
then I'm out good times. Yeah you know, yeah exactly.

(07:15):
And now I just now eat like a nighttime sort
of dummy, some weed and that that helps me out.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, going to bed, well that's the things we have
to do to get good sleep.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
No, I know. Well, thanks for coming on. I appreciate this.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
I'm so happy to be here.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, I know. So let's talk about your childhood a
little bit. Let's talk about your upbringing because you have
multiple siblings, Is this correct? Yes?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I do. How many of you guys I've got. It's his,
hers and ours kind of situation. My parents were both
married before and then they got married and had me.
So I'm the you know, the chosen one. Now you
believe that baby, and yeah, I'm the baby and everybody

(08:03):
reminds me of it all the time. But I have
four half sisters and two half brothers.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Okay, okay, so four half brothers, two half sisters.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Four half sisters, four half sisters.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Two half brothers. Okay, so the sort of childhood circumstances,
you know, growing up in that kind of family, what
was the spread?

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Like they were all older than me, so much older
than me, right that they were pretty much out of
the house a lot. The brothers were gone, two of
my sisters were gone, one of my sisters was gone,
and so it was just three sisters and me, and

(08:49):
it was at My sister Cammie really was kind of
like my mom. She got me ready for school, took
me to school. My mom was working all the time,
so she was like my little nanny. And we're very
close because that. And then my other two sisters were

(09:11):
very much tomboys. They were outside doing stuff all the
time with the animals. I grew up on a farm
in Illinois, so okay, a very rural.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, situation was did it feel like you had a
lot of siblings, you know, even though they were out
of the house or was it like kind of disconnected
because of the hats and then just the gaps.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
It didn't feel like that. It felt like I had
I was close. I had a bunch of sisters and
brothers that would come and we would always you know,
do like barbecues and stuff, and our farm was where
everybody came to sort of get back together. So I
always felt like I had a good like group of
brothers and sisters available all the time.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
And it was a very free free living on the farm,
meaning free. Were there not a lot of rules.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
No, I mean it was. I had a pink, huffy
dirt bike that I rode everywhere, and I just spend
my days, like right when I wasn't at school, I
would be just riding my bike around. It was like
twenty five acres in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
And I would just play with animals all day and
make like dirt bike tracks and go down by the
river and we our house, our property had a graveyard
on it.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
It wasn't ours, but it was like, yeah, it had
been built in there, and I would hang out in
there and just like put flowers on all the graves
all the day and talk to the dead people.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Like, Wow, there's something very cinematic that I'm picturing in
my brain.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
It was pretty ideal, like it was. It was pretty special.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, did you do you believe in goss.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
I believe in spirits.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
You believe in spirits. Have you experienced I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Is there a difference between a ghost and a spirit?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
No, I don't know what the hell a ghost or
spirit is. I mean I have had moments, you know
where I feel like I have dealt with the supernatural.
Have you had any of those experiences, especially living on
a place where there might be where there's a cemetery.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I don't think I've ever had to deal with it.
I just always have felt energies from starting out with
that from the people that were buried there, and I
just feel like people that I love that have passed away,
I feel their energies all the time. Yeah, there's never
been anything like bad.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, no, I know. So we were in London or
outside of London. My mom, I was a young dude
and my sister was very young and mom was doing
a movie out there on which one, but we were
staying at this old old manner. It was old, old, old,
It was really beautiful to this tutor house and it

(12:06):
was one haunted. I mean I remember it unless my
little brain is creating these, you know, scenarios that didn't
really exist. So we don't know. But we did leave
the house after three weeks, and we were supposed to
be there for like three months because whatever spirit was
in this house did not like my sister. Yeah, so

(12:29):
she would we were we slept in the same room.
She was lit a little and she would fall out
of bed every night, which she never did. That was
one thing. There was a place in the hallway where
there was nothing there on the upstairs and the upstairs
that she would literally trip over every time that she passed.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
We would sit downstairs and we'd hear footsteps up the
gravel walkway and you know, open up the door and
there was nobody there. We had the pots in the
pants would just start shaking, you know. There was a
lot of weird shit going on.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, somebody did not want you in there.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yes. And then the final straw was this. My sister
had her little wellies on. It was kind of rainy
out and there was a pool. It was wintertime and
it was all gated off, and the caretaker was a
caretaker in the house and he was having his morning
tea and he sees my sister in the pool and

(13:26):
he goes to open up the gate you know, to
get in, but it's dead bolt locked. Oh so we
still don't know how Kate and she does remember how
she got in the pool, but he jumped the fence
and got her out of the pool. Wow, that is yes.
So at that point I think Mom was like, all right,

(13:49):
we're out of here.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Back it up, let's go.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Oh I'm so glad he saved her.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yes, he saved her. He saved her. So then, growing
up in Illinois, at what point did you sort of
want to be a creative or want to be an actor?
You know? I mean it's I've been around it all
my life. You know, you were around a lot different things. Yes,

(14:17):
you knows, unless you were doing plays with the you
know the.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
No, I never was.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
I never knew that was an option. I never we
didn't go to the movies. We were It was very
rural and I didn't know you could be an actor.
I didn't know I could be a performer. I know that.
My mom says that I always used to dance in
front of the sliding glass door, you know, reflection in it.

(14:45):
She said she would always catch me looking at myself
in the mirror and dancing. But that's as close as
I ever got to like doing anything like that. But
I it was we moved to Arizona. My dad got
sick in Illinois and had a heart attack, several heart attacks,
so the climate there was too tough for him, so
we moved to Arizona where it was drier for him.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
How old were you?

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I was twelve, okay, And we left one sister. I
left one my mommy and Nanny's sister left her in Illinois,
and uh, I was.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
That was a hard yeah, because as a twelve year old,
you know, I have seventeen, fourteen and eleven right now,
and they're so ingrained in their world and their friends
and where they live. To pull them out of that,
they would kill me, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
I think leaving my sister was the hardest part of it. Yeah, sure,
and that was very traumatic, I know, for both of us.
But we ended up in Arizona, and that is kind
of where I started to turn into a teen, you know,
and dressed like Madonna, and you know, I thought I

(15:51):
was hot shit. I would wear hot high heels to
middle school because I was. I came off this farm
where nothing mattered, and I moved to Arizon Zona, in
the heart of the city where everybody was different, and
I was just trying to figure out, like, Okay, how
do I stay afloat in this environment?

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Who am I?

Speaker 1 (16:08):
What do I have to do to fit in here?
And so I just sort of decided that was the
best way. I don't know why, but it wasn't until
I was dancing. I was teaching little kids how to
dance at the Corner Dance Studio. I would walk there
from my mom's condo and teach kids how to dance,

(16:28):
and somehow, yeah, tap tap dance was my Yeah, that
was my cham and I would somebody asked me to
be in like the scholarship pageant for dance. If you
want it, you got free classes or something I don't
even know. And I went and I did that. I
didn't win, but at that pageant I was, I guess,

(16:50):
discovered by a talent manager. His name was Randy James,
and he had been cajoled into doing this, like being
a judge at this pageant by one of his industry friends.
He was doing a solid for somebody.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
And he came, he's still with Randy.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I am still with Randy. Oh my god, Yeah, he's
still my manager.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
That's crazy because he was my wife's Aaron Aaron. Her
name was Aaron Bartlett at the time, but like he
he was my wife's manager. So I know, Randy, you
know Randy. That's so funny.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yep, I'm still with them after all of these amazing
I just have I'm very loyal. I have a loyalty thing.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I don't fix something unless it's broken, yeah, and then
I try to fix it. But you know, he's just
he's like my dad yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and my
best friend. Sorry, he gets mad when I call him
my dad.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I feel so he's he's so he basically discovered you
one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
I never would have thought, oh I'm going to move
to LA and be an actress.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Never. Never.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
And he was just like, all right, you have some things.
Is this something you want to pursue? And You're like,
all right, sure, I guess I'll try it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I think it was like you have a great look,
you know, And I was like, Okay, this guy's creepy.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
But his wife was with him, so that sort of
legitimized it a little bit. And my mom was with me,
so we sat down and talked to them, and then
he went back to LA and they he suggested that
I start taking acting lessons. So I would go to
this woman and take an acting class once a week,
and that she would send him the VHS tapes in
the mail and then he would watch them and he
would give me notes and things to work on, and

(18:34):
I would try to do that, and then I think
the time just came where my mom was at like
a lull, and she said, let's go, let's try it.
Let's go to LA and see what happens.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Wow, Like okay.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
And so you hadn't even auditioned really that No, No,
it's just you were just like you were doing local
acting classes once a week. Yeah, once a week. This
is so great because you always hear the story of
the actor, which is like, you know, I just pursued
my dreams. It's what I want to use my blood,
that's what I want to do local theater until my
fingers bled, you know. But it's just like I'm okay,

(19:20):
let's give it a shot.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
I've always been like very week, sort of go with
the flow.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Over the wind blowed blew me, yeah, and it blew
me to LA and knocked on Randy's door one day
and he was like, oh shit, okay, let's do this.
I guess you guys took me seriously, Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Let's do this.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
And I started going on auditions, you know, with my
little Thomas Guide.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
And yeah, oh my god, remember the time. I have one,
No you don't, Oliver.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
I found one in my mom's house and it's I
think it's from nineteen ninety seven and it has her name.
I wish I could show tea right into my office.
Has her name on it. So nobody stole it because
they were you know, that was a train.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, I find anything without that because that
was it.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
That was it. I mean I used to going on didn't.
I grew up in LA but still, I mean, you
go on auditions, like throw your Thomas Guide out. It's
fucking like searching for cross like cross streets. But it's
funny because now we think that that's so crazy, because
of course the world that we live in. But back
then it was just what it was.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, it was you had to add on a little
extra time.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Imagine imagine these kids today, no,
no concept, Oh my gosh. Yeah, So you're just cruising
around LA with your Thomas Guide hitting up auditions. How
old were you I must have been sixteen fifteen.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
I was fifteen for a while and then I started
driving myself.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I was okay. And then what was your first gig?

Speaker 1 (20:56):
I might have this wrong, but I want to say
my first job was on Growing Paine. Yeah it was.
It was a shoot, a night shoot, I remember, and
I was driving by Kirk Cameron and his brother I
can't remember, uh in their car and my character was

(21:16):
I guess hitting on them. She says to them. I
don't know what. She ends up saying, sticky, sticky, sticky.
That was my line. That's all I know. One word
three times and I nailed it. And my manager Randy
will tell the funny story. Because I am not one
for night shoots. I don't really love waiting for the

(21:37):
camera to be ready, and yeah, like there's so much
I don't love about what I do in the industry.
There are those glimmers, those moments of like being in
that connected space in a character's body and feeling like
there's something about the camera and the relationship and the
there's something about it that I do really love. But
even on my very first job, I was complaining to him.

(22:00):
I'm about like, oh it's so late, I'm cold. Where
do I They don't have a chair for me. This
is my first job.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
You're born to succeed. Oh she's going to star, She's
a start. That's so funny. I'm you and I are
very very similar, you know. I acting for me was
something that my whole family did, but it's not what
I wanted to do. I wanted to create, make movies,
you know, produce direct right, Like that's what got me going.

(22:28):
But I kind of was like, well, they all do it,
so I'll try it, and it worked out. You always
want a gig because you're you know, you're striving for it.
The minute you get the gig, you're like, oh shit,
I gotta go fucking to work. And then you're sitting around.
I'm like you, I hate waiting around, Like I get
so antsy, And it's the part of this job that

(22:50):
I don't love. Yeah, and it's you have those moments.
I say this all the time. Those moments have a
great scene where like, Okay, that was really fun. You
get that rush only to watch it, you know, when
it's when it airs to be destroyed by editing where
you're like, oh shit, okay, well there you go.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Oh yeah, then you're cringing. You're like, oh yeah, I
should never watch myself again.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah. It's an interesting Uh, it's an interesting industry for sure.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah. No, I know. And are you We'll get back.
I want to get back to your timeline for a second.
But did you did you? Are you? Have you stopped?
Are you like overacting?

Speaker 1 (23:28):
I I'm over being a pawn in someone else's chess game,
you know. I never quite I produced projects, and I
crossed over and did all the casting and did producing.
I produced TV movies. I produced Lifetime Hallmark and then

(23:50):
we produced BH nine O two one oh in twenty eighteen,
which was a pretty huge deal. And I love all
of that, like I love producing and that kind of stuff.
And then I just I was just tired of like
auditioning in my garage.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
I was tired of waiting for somebody to call me
and tell me that I was the right fit for something.
And I just decided to sort of take my life
into my own hands and make some different choices. After
I turned fifty, I just kind of wanted to change.
But I don't think I will ever say I'm done acting.
I love it, and.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
But you don't need it.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Basically, I don't need it.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
No. Yeah, do you feel like nine O two and
zero was sort of a double edged sword, meaning like
it made you wildly popular and made you money and
all that stuff, but it sort of stuck you in
this place where you couldn't that you couldn't break out
of for sure. All the same, You're like, I have
so much more to offer you, guys, like you know, and.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I didn't even know what I had to offer because
I've never even really got the chance to figure that out.
It just all happened so quickly, and then I was
in that boat, and you know I had to sink
or swim, So yeah, I swam.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
So did you hold her? You when you got that gig?
When was that sixteen sixteen? Shit? Man?

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Tell me about it?

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Oh my god, I know. So that was just a
regular audition, right, I mean, it was just one of
those casting calls that you moved up the line, you know,
pre read test.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
They pre read me, and then they didn't want to
have me back. They said I wasn't right.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Oh really, because I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I was a farm girl from the Midwest and playing
auditioning to be this Beverly Hills bitch. And yeah, my
manager Randy called his friend Tony, who was the casting
guy for Spelling, and said, look, give her another chance.
Get her in the room with Aaron, please please. So
it was basically a favor to him and they got

(25:53):
me back in and Aaron, Aaron Spelling, saw something that
he liked.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
I guess, crazy, what were the nerves like for you?
Like on first day? Holy shit, I'm a part of
a show, but obviously had no idea how big it
was going to be. But this is still a big deal.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I didn't really know enough to have nerves. That's the thing.
I was just thrown into this completely foreign world and
environment and I was like, okay, well, I watched one
of my I had a job before that where I
played Barbara Eden's daughter, and I would just sit and
watch her the whole time I was at work, watch
her from the minute she stepped on to set in

(26:32):
the makeup trailer with the wardrobe people like. I was
studying her basically trying to figure out what it was
that this was all about. And I learned so much
from her because she's such a professional, and I just
threw myself in, like I didn't know if what I
was doing was right or wrong, but I just jumped
in with like this weird confidence that I don't know

(26:53):
where that came from. I think it was like fake
it till you make it, and I just learned that way.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, that's pretty great. That's pretty how I.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Do everything, Like I just jump in the deep end.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I'm jealous because I have too much of I don't
want to look bad. I care what people think about
me if I fuck up my lines. This is especially
when I started. If I fuck up my lines, people
are gonna think I'm total dog shit. I'm holding up everyone.
I mean, this is what would go through my head,
which would just suffocate any sort of freedom. Yeah yeah,

(27:26):
back in the day, you know. But it's amazing to
have that, you know. I love that. I wish I
had more of that even now, you know where a
lot of my family members have that. I don't give
a fuck. I don't care what you think about me.
I'm going to go just do this and you still
don't have that. I mean, I do more. I'm forty
eight and I've been doing this for a million years now,

(27:47):
and I do I have more of that sort of
you know, I don't give a shit, but there's still something.
It's deep, you know, without getting into my whole psychology,
you know, with my dad leaving when I was a
kid and abandon it, I mean that shit actually plays part,

(28:08):
you know, because if it's it's this, it's this sort
of irrational psychological fear that if you do something wrong,
they won't like you. You know what I'm saying. And
even though cerebrally I know that that's just complete horseshit,
you know, there's there's that that that sort of little
child the depth of you, the bubbling tar that will

(28:29):
just kind of always simmer. And believe me, I have
done a ton of work. I mean I've been in therapy,
I went to the Hoffmann Institute. I mean, I am
constantly working on myself. So but I think I think
there's all You're always going to have residual, residual pain,
residual traumas, even though if you're working through.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Absolutely Yeah, you know, I think I was more of
the mind of like, if I do something right, they
like me. Oh, I'm going to keep doing something right.
So I set myself up for always pleasing people, you know,
doing what was expected of me and being a like
a professional and being a trooper. Like I didn't have

(29:13):
that in my mind of if I fuck up, they're
not going to like me.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, your glasses have full you know.
I'm sort of classes. I mean it's varied through the years,
of course, I mean there's no doubt, but just thinking.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
About that, like that ability to jump into a deepened
and be like, well I'll figure it out. Other people
are doing it. I can do this.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, it's great. And that's who you are generally pretty much. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
And my parents always like taught me there's nothing you.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Can't do, yea.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
I believe them. Yeah, why wouldn't I believe them? No,
I know, like if the toilet's broken, try to fix
it exactly.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I know. Look very grateful for the way that I
grew up. There's also a part of me wish that
I grew up with Margret. You know what I'm saying.
My parents did an incredible job. There's no doubt about it,
given the circumstances, and it's.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
A different I grew up in a very different world
that you did. My kids are growing up in a
similar world that you grew up in to some degree,
and so everybody's got it different, you know, even from
from me to my kids, Like every generation is going
to have it so different.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
I know. It's interesting because you grew up in a
place that you can sort of inform them, you know,
on what real life is. My parents did the same thing.
I mean, they came from nothing, so we were at
a young age, you know, learned that this isn't necessarily
the real world, you know, And I try to pass

(30:50):
that on to my kids as well. Even though I
grew up, you know, very well off with you and
the kids, I mean, are you is that a really
sort of solid part of how you parent, meaning like, yeah,
people know who mom is. We have nice things, but
you got to work for your shit.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, I listen, I had no idea what I was
doing when I became a mom. I I have a
little more experience now, like I feel like with that too,
I just jumped in and did my best, But who knows.
I hope I did a good job. My girls are
all really nice people, and they're fun, and you know,

(31:34):
they have that confidence that they are going to need
in their lives. To make things work, but who knows.
I hope.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
How old are your kids?

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Oh my gosh, Okay, my youngest is eighteen. Okay, my
middle one is twenty almost, she'll be twenty two this week,
and my oldest is twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
That's crazy, it's insane.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
We hang out and I'm like, this is so weird.
I'm your mom.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
That is crazy. So you're basically done. I mean meaning like,
eighteen is such it.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
I'm almost free over.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
But that you're never free. I know, you're never I
had to burst the bubble, but you're never free.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
You're never free.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
But that's okay. They always the girls always come home too,
Like that's how it works. Girls always come back to
the mom. And yeah, but they're like, my I'm still
raising them all the time. But I'm also still raising myself.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
So yeah, oh, I mean, my mom just turns seventy
nine and she's still trying to raise me. I'm like, Mama,
I gotta tell you. I think I'm good, but you know.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
I'll never stop. Sorry to tell you never.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
No, I know it never does. Wow, that's crazy. And
I always say this, you know, similar to what you said,
which is like I don't no, I just did my best.
I think that, you know, it's not about if we
fuck up the kids just to what degree, because we
are all sort of trying to figure it out as

(33:13):
we go. And the third one, at least in my case,
benefits from the first one because he's he was the experiment.
You know, I would do it totally differently with my
first one. If I had already gone through three and
was able to do it again, well, I would have
done it. Well. We were We tried to sleep train

(33:34):
and you know early and you know, schedule, schedule, and
this and that, and you know, he was like crying
and probably just fucking starving, and we're like, nope, you.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Know, it's not time for you to have your business.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Blah yet and no titty for you, like you're you're
six weeks old, fucking crying on, you know. I mean,
I would have him in my bed more. There would
just be more f you know, more just sort of
just just big love all the time and who gives
a shit? Where with my third one, Rio, that's kind
of what it was, mm hmm. And I can see

(34:10):
it in their personality.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
And my oldest has so much like resentment for the
youngest because she had it's so easy, like I've been like, yeah,
whatever you want, sure, stay out, just take in touch
with me. Like I'm just such a different mom now.
I wish too that I but I was pretty like
goey flowy with the first one.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I was so young, I didn't know what I was
doing and yeah, and she was so cute, and I
just had it with me everywhere I went.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
No, I know, I know, and I wish. I wish
I did that. You know, I wish I did that.
But you know they are who they are now because
of what we did. And that's it.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
And you can't really waste your time thinking, oh, what
what did I do wrong? Or how could I have
done it better? Or what are you going to be
in therapy because of me? Yes, you got to just
be like, look, I did my best. Yes, sorry if
my best wasn't good enough.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Right, but I can't. It's best to just prepare them.
I'm like, look, all you guys are going to be
in therapy at some point, all right.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I don't like him become a therapist. It's like the best,
it's never that job is you're going to always have
job security if you're a psycho.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Oh my gosh, Yes, for sure. For sure. My kid
went my oldest went through because I went through gnarly anxiety.
You know, it's part of my being, honestly since in
my twenties, and there's bouts of it that pop up
and I'm on Lexapro and it's managed, but still it
can pop up, and there's a genetic component to it.
I think my son had that when he was in

(35:36):
eighth grade, you know, and he went into therapy just
for a minute, but he didn't like it, and I
understood it, and I kind of took him out of
it and I just sort of worked with him for
about a month where we kept him month from school
because it was you know, he just felt like he
was not real. That's what he said. He's disassociation, you

(35:57):
know what I mean. But having gone through it myself,
I was able to sort of take him through that.
Not to say you won't be in therapy later in
his life, I'm sure he will be totally. So, you know,

(36:20):
fro Nino two and zero, when you're that young, going
on to a set with teenagers in that first year,
you know, second year, was it just was it a blast?
Was it like a party. Was everyone having fun or
was it super actory and professional or you know what
was that like when you get a bunch of teenagers
together to just party. I'm like, have the best time.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, we had no supervision basically other than like the ad,
it was like the door. We luckily we were all
pretty good kids. You were, yeah, and we there was
this like we're in this together, feeling like I always
we were trapped in a warehouse and van eyes together.

(37:03):
But it was you know, he made it. Aaron made
it into a sound studio, so I guess that sounds better.
But it was like swim or drowned, you know, just
go get in there. And we were all very cognizant
of being professional. I think that that was really lucky

(37:24):
that we everybody else had kind of acted before. I
was pretty much the only one that had like one
or two jobs before. But I I like to be
a good girl, so I like to give people what
is expected and what you know, I like to do
my job. Yeah, and I think we all kind of
shared that same mentality of being professional, and you know,

(37:46):
work is work, and then when we're off stage, it's
like a mayhem.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
But were he goes Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, was
there hierarchies like you know what I mean, it's lord
of the fly stuff. It's almost natural.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, I mean, you know the call sheet, there's no
one or one or two, there's no three, no four.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
You know.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I was three for the longest time, which I was
cool with. Finally I got to one. At some point
I got to one. The other people left and and
then I was number one, and I was like, hey,
this is cool. It didn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
It just meant.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
It just meant, like that's how it worked on the
the way they wrote it, and I thought it meant
so much more than that. But I did get a
better parking.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Spot, so that's nice. But those egos, did they flare up?
Did they kick up? You don't need specifics, but you know,
it keeps some secrets, but like, was it a get
fucking garly ever?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Sometimes? Yeah, sometimes there was a lot of uh tension
around whose voice was more important, whose role was more important,
and you just really had to shut that out, and
because it it was that is not healthy, especially in

(38:59):
that kind kind of ensemble environment where we're all supposed
to be equals but they're definitely there was pay difference
you know, and as we got older, we really started
to realize that and the people that were getting paid
less than let's say one, two or three, it became
more of a more of an important issue for them. Yeah,

(39:22):
so that's yeah. Things things were weird at times.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
For sure. Yeah, when you go that long, it's bound
to happen. You know.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
We worked it out. We're all we all made it,
you know, through relatively unscathed.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
But I know, I know, it's crazy. It's crazy. I mean,
it's crazy. So I knew Luke a little bit because
he was he was videographer too, and he was he
was always coming to golf events with us, and we
hung out, we played golf together a little bit, you know.
And then Shannon actually was supposed to be on this
podcast like two weeks before she passed. Crazy.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, that came fast.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Oh my gosh, I know, I know sot the last days,
you know, the last moments of not A two and
O at the end there, you know, not the new reboot.
But once it was over, it was a relief or sadness,
I think both.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I think we were all ready we were all tired,
those of us that were left on the show, we
were all tired, and that's a grinds. That's a fourteen
to sixteen hour day, five days a week grind where
you have no You come out and you try to
make a life the best you can, but you don't
have a lot of energy, and you'll have a lot

(40:42):
of time to put into what really matters. So I
feel like a lot of us were left with, like
I know, for me, I was left with figuring out
how all those pieces of my personal puzzle fit together
and also realizing like, oh my god, I just lost
ten years of my development as a normal human being

(41:02):
because that bubble that we lived in was not normal yep.
And so there was a there was a real catching
up period for me personally interesting.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, an adjustment to the real world from sixteen to
twenty six. I mean those are pivotal pills, are yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
But I didn't go to college, I didn't live like
I lived on my own when I was seventeen. I
bought my first house and had all the adult responsibilities
with none of the adult training that go with it.
So I again thrown into that deepen and was just
swimming as hard as I could. But there was that
period where I was like okay when my relationship started

(41:44):
to fall apart, and you know, I just wasn't I
didn't know who I was. That I had to really say, like, okay,
because of those ten years of development that I lost,
here the places where I need to take a look
at my real my life and take accountability and figure
out how to make up for that lost time.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Were you able to do that alone or were we
able to? Did you need did you go to therapy?
I mean, did you like do some soul searching?

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah? Yeah, a lot of therapy, yeah, and a lot
of just wonderful people helping me figure it all out.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Did you have moments of like who am I? What
am I? What am I doing now? After all of.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
This I've had, I've had those yesterday, like what yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Know I definitely had them more severely.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
The fact that you said that, the fact that you
said that you had it yesterday is almost comforting in
a sense, meaning like this is a lifelong sort of
quest to always sort of redefine or rediscover your identity.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Absolutely, I don't. I don't think I could go on
without that like journey of figuring it out as I go,
like figure out who I am in this situation, And
in this situation, I was talking to somebody not that
long ago, and I'm not going to say his name,
but something how, somehow, the imposter's syndrome came up, which
I didn't know that much about, and I started talking

(43:10):
about on my podcast and learning more about it, and
I asked him if he had ever had imposter syndrome
and he was like, no, what is that? I said, Okay,
Well I explained it to him. He's like, no, yeah,
no I never felt like that. And I said, wow, okay.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Good for you.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
I'm like lucky you. And I know Martha Stewart has
said the same thing, like, yeah, what does imposter syndrome? No,
I would never have that. But for me, I'm just
too reveal. I'm gonna tell it how it is. And
I have definitely struggled with all the voices in my
head that hold you back and all the uncertainty, you know,

(43:49):
And there's just so many things that happen in our
lives that create whatever that voice is inside of us.
And I've I've had I have to battle that all
the time.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, and you talk about it on your podcast, isn't it.
I'm assuming it's you have great feedback when you're vulnerable
and speaking about the things you know that a lot
of people go through where they would not normally hear
them from someone like you.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
That's the thing, though, I am like them, like I'm
not someone like you like I, and they see like
I understand what you're saying, Like That's how it kind
of comes across. But I don't know how to be
any other way than to just be real and who
I am. And the minute I step out of being

(44:41):
who I am, I completely lose my way. I get
caught up in like all the wrong things, and I.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Always say all the wrong things, like what is that?
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Inside here?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Like inside your head right.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Listening to all the wrong messages, and the noise just
gets so much louder inside my head when I'm not
being who I am at my core. And it's so
so easy to slip into trying to be something else,
especially in this industry and in this town and being
who I am, you know, like it's very hard to

(45:19):
stay authentic and true to yourself sometimes.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Right, I know, because sometimes you have to put something
on to get something or.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
To appeal to certain people, like and you learn that
delicate dance of and then you just and then you
develop that like not giving a fuck.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, yeah, do you have a practice to bring you
back to center? Meditation?

Speaker 1 (45:51):
I love meditating. I don't know enough. I wish I
was better at saying every morning at six, I.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
It's so hard because how many things do you you
do a day that are an hour long? Whether it
be working out, whether it be reading, whatever it is.
But you can't take ten minutes just to sit down
and be quiet.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Because it's too hot, it's there's so many noises.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
It's hard, I know, and we don't. We would rather
distract ourselves with something than sit down for ten minutes,
because that is more tumultuous than actually running ten miles
uh huh or yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Or like being the star of the show or being
the head of the brand or whatever your job is.
Like I'd rather do all those things than go too deep.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
I know, I know it's so crazy, but you have to.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
That's the thing. So yeah, I meditate sometimes, and I'm
always trying to be better about that because I know
how good I feel when I do it. And I breathe,
I do a box breathing. That's the one thing the
box and I'm like, I'm like, oh shit, things are
a little crazy up here. I just do the box breathing.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, that's four four four four right, I do like
four seconds like.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Two, I do four four and eight.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
You do four four and eight, And that's like.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Takes me to a land of unknown, like it's just good,
puts the space in your brain like whoa yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
For people who listen who don't know what that is,
it's like you take a deep breath in for four seconds,
you hold it for four seconds, you do eight, right,
so you go, you hold.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
It for four and then you hold it out for eight.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Let it out for eight, and then inhale for four. Huh, exhale,
you hold it for four, exhale for eight.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
It's that extra four on the X.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
For me.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
It takes you into that place of like it's so deep.
I don't know, yeah, so simple, but so deep.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
I know. That's great. All right, talk about your podcast.
This is what we're here for. You're here for your health.
I know you've been doing it for a while now.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Well, I've been doing a podcast called OMG where we
rewatch the show. We've been doing our six seasons sounds
got it. But I just started this year doing I
Choose Me the podcast, and it was really important to
me to take it into a different space, like a
more meaningful space for me personally than like culture or

(48:22):
you know, celebrity interviews. I wanted to talk about real
stuff that matter to me and that could help people.
So that has we've all been working together, you know,
that my producers and just getting it to that place
where I feel really good about it now. And you know,
we talk about the things that challenge us all, and
we talk about choices and choices that we've made in

(48:47):
our lives, and we talk about the art of choosing ourselves,
you know, and really learning that art, because that's a skill.
You know, it's so so so easy, kind of like
what you were saying about not meditator. Think it's so
so easy to just put everybody else's needs before yours
and take care of everything else and just do dooo
doo all the time. But it's really important to come

(49:09):
back to yourself and ask yourself questions and get to
know yourself on a deeper level so you can just
show up differently for everybody.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Yes, do you have guests pertaining to the topics.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
So right, Yeah, sometimes we have great guests I I
love too. I love having guests on who you wouldn't
think have problems, sort of like what you were saying before,
Like having Julie Bowen on and we talk about how
she struggles with the voices and the negativity. And I
love putting that message out there for people that are

(49:46):
listening to it on their morning walk or their drive
to work or whatever while they're washing the dishes, like
we're all the same. And I love just reinforcing that
through the podcast. And I also love teaching people things
that I've learned that help me cope with my life
and learning from people that are just doing the same thing.
So I love sharing and teaching.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
So I love it too. And I love talking.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I'm not a talker, That's the thing. Are you an
extrovert or an introvert? Oh?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Man, I've been asked this question. I think I'm so
all of it. You know, when I am put in
a social setting, I'm ready to roll. I can be
the life of the party, and I take energy from
those moments, you know what I mean. At the same time,
I don't want to go to the party.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
You know, you're both, I get it.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah. If it's like, oh, you got to go, it's like,
all right, I'm going to go, and I am life
of the party. And by the way, last to leave. Yeah,
it's go to last to leave, right, But I don't
want to go. I don't want to go in the
first place.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, you know. And then it's just the again for me,
it's just I don't know I as far as identity goes, like,
I don't really know the fuck I am. I'm like, well,
what makes me happy? You know? Fishing? I love to fish.
I have a boat nature, yes, okay, but like who
am I? What am I doing? I'm almost fifty, you know.

(51:23):
I go through the I have existential crises like maybe
six eight times a day, you know, just trying to
figure out what who am I? Do? I have ADHD
of course I do. Wait a minute, do I.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
What does it all really matter?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
It doesn't that's the.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
End of the day. Who the fuck cares who you
are as long as you're doing and living your life
in a way that feels good to you and to
the people that you love.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Yes, exactly exactly one, you know, And I put a
lot of pressure on myself to sort of provide to,
you know, match the standards of my family, which is
not put upon by them in any way. That's my
own bullshit. Where Kate's a star, my little brother now
is a fucking star, my parents are stars and like

(52:10):
and people would kill for my career. At the same points,
in the same point, I'm like, well, I'm the black Sheep,
and it's such a fucking ridiculous thing to think.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
What if there is no black sheep?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Though, no, I know, it's it's all bullshit. It's what
you put upon yourself. You know.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Why do we do that?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I don't know. I don't I wouldn't be me without it.
But at the same time, when I have those moments
like we talked about as an actor where that scene
just comes together and it's incredible, I have those life
moments where I am like I am on top of
the world right now. I don't know why, I'm buzzing.

(52:50):
I feel like I can do anything, and I'm like,
I want to live in that space all the time.
I can't.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Have you ever told yourself that you love have you
ever said have you ever like looked in the mirror
and said, I love you.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
No, no, I should, but but I woke up today
so stupid. No, no, no, no, self love, self worth.
I mean again, I told you mon to the Hoffmann Institute,
like that is what it is about. It's about self love,
self worth, which I have been lacking all of my life,
you know. So to look at myself in the mirror

(53:26):
and to actually feel that and say it honestly, I'd
probably use humor to deflect those true emotions, you know,
but I do wake up. I'm like, it's gonna be
a great fucking day today, you know what I mean.
I try to create that energy, do you know.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Doctor Amen, No, you don't know, doctor Daniel Am. That's
all of his things is wake up and say today
is going to be a great day. Really yeah, I
try it and I doing it.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
No, I know. I just set up and better minds
me be a great day, you know. And I don't
do it earnestly, you know what I'm saying. I do
it with a little fervor, with a little a great
fucking day to day, A great day. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's okay.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
However, however you have to do it.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
But that whole like looking in the mirror and saying
I love you. Thing as stupid as it sounds, when
you can connect with the person in the mirror mm
hmm that's yeah, and love that person no matter what. Yeah,
that's where you find a good amount of peace.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
That is so crucial. It's very simple statement to love
that person no matter what, because they're really emotional. But
you have to have compassion for yourself, you know what
I mean. We we are compassionate and have empathy for
other people. I do, but we sometimes don't forgive ourselves

(54:47):
and have compassion for the darkness in us. You know,
we do.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
You go back to that little boy inside of you
and I if I am struggling, I have to think
back to like that little girl inside of me that
at some point things changed and she got scared for
whatever reason, or was told she wasn't good enough, or
people didn't like her, whatever it is. If you go
back and you nurture that little because you have kids,

(55:15):
you know what it's like to love somebody unconditionally, and
you know what it's like to nurture somebody when they're
they're lowest. Like you said, with your son, you worked
with them. If you can think of like you as
that little a person inside of you. Then you can
connect with that.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yes, oh I've done that.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
That's really good.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I've done that, especially when you can go into sort
of almost a self guided meditation where you can take
yourself back to a time that you remember when you
are of that age where that sort of unconscious fear
is just being you know, just injected into you because
of your childhood circumstances, and then you know able to

(55:54):
sort of put a evolved adult spin on it in
a way. Actually I did at Arape. I was like,
please don't make me fucking do this. You know, my
favorite name was Jan at the time. I've drunk guy now.
But he's like, now we got to do it. I'm like,
I don't want to do it. We was like this
me talking to my younger self. Oh it was awful.

(56:14):
It was awful. And I had to sit there was
he had a caddy corn, he had a couch that
sort of eld and I had to move back and forth.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Okay, role playing.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I role played with myself and I was like, please
don't make me do this, Like I can't, Like, I
feel like an idiot. Even those me and you in
the room with no camera. I'm like, I just feel
like a fucking fool where I had to sit there
and being like hi, and then I had to go
as an adult and speak to my younger self and
tell him it's going to be okay.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Yeah I can't.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I don't see all good, like dad, I'm so scared.
Then I switched chairs. I'm like, you're gonna be okay. Oliver.
I'm like, oh shit, this is.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
I love it that you actually acted it out with
like movement.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
No, I did, and I will say that it didn't work.
This is not something you should try at home. That's
not gonna work.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Okay, Okay, then just do this just next time you
catch your reflection in anything of your spoon, whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yeah, yeah, hey, I love you. Yeah, no, I do.
I'm gonna try it. Try it. I'm gonna try how
it works instead of passing amer and being like Jesus, dude,
you're old. What's happening to you? Look at you? Oh god,
I need to buy a brawl. Oh gosh, I know.

(57:32):
Well this was fun, this is this is a good conversation.
I appreciate it, no problem.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I love a good talk.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Yeah. Well, I'm gonna check out your I'm gonna check
out your your show. That sounds great. I love that.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Come on it, well you talk some more.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Oh yeah, hey, by the way, you know, if you
want me on, I'm down. I love talking about this stuff,
and I'm very open and you know, sort of afraid
to talk about the things that go on in my
crazy life pretty unfiltered. I love that that's the talk
about you know.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I just had Samuel t Herring on recently. He's the
leading man from Future Islands, the band, and he's just
this crazy performer and he's so deep, like his lyrics
are so like whoa, what are you talking about? It's
just so interesting to get inside of his head. And
that's one of the things I love about it the most,

(58:24):
how other people cope and deal yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
And then the byproduct of sort of all of this
is you're actually helping people without even knowing it, you know. Yeah,
because we we all I think we all know that
we're not alone, but sometimes you just feel alone until
you hear someone else, you know, just connect with exactly

(58:47):
what you're feeling, and then you're like, yeah, yeah, no,
it's weird.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Well, I'm so glad that you're into that.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
So talk to me about the women's event on January eleventh.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Oh you're so, yes, Yes, this is exciting because this
is all part of my development. This is all part
of me figuring out that I'm I can do this,
you know. And it's in doing things like this where
you share with other people that we all benefit from it.

(59:20):
So in some way. So this is a women's event
that I didn't think I could do something like this
on my own, but I'm putting something together. It's January eleventh.
I have big plans for it. I want to take
it to different cities for starting in LA And it's
just a rather small gathering of women inspiring one another,

(59:40):
sharing with one another, being vulnerable with each other, having
conversations like we just had. And we're gonna have panelists
from women from different walks of life, and there will
be medical discussions, a lot of talk about menopause, a
lot about you know, our bodies as we age and
this next chapter in our lives that we're all stepping into.

(01:00:02):
And so this is what we're going to be doing
it all. It's like a little I choose me goop situation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I love that it's inspiring. Do you know why, because
not to make this about me, but that would be
great for to do for men to you gotta do it,
you should. I'm serious because you know, I'm a pretty
sensitive person, you know generally, and I love feelings and

(01:00:29):
men have these fucking feelings. They all do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Most guys are not going to admit that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
No idea to do something like that for men to
be able to come and hang and talk and feel,
you know, where it's okay to sort of say things
that they may feel uncomfortable. Yeah, you know. And here's
the other thing that just pops into my head. How
great would it be for men to be able to watch, witness,

(01:00:58):
be a voyeur into what you were doing doing for women,
because then we get to understand each other a little
bit more, you know what I mean. Like, wouldn't it
be great for you know, if you had to sit
men watching you know, we go watch this video on
your women's form to sort of understand how women think.
And on the flip side of that, women watching men

(01:01:19):
just understand how we.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Think, right because it is different. I mean, yeah, we're
built differently.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I think it would be good. I think you should.
You should look into putting something together.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
You might have inspired me a little bit because I've
been doing the Drew Barrymore show. I've done two of them.
I'm going to do a few more actually, where she's
bringing me on to, you know, talk about relationships and
feelings and all of these things from a straight male perspective.
I love Drew's always like I'm surrounded by gay men,
Like I need like a straight dude to come on

(01:01:52):
to just talk about what it's like to sort of
be in a relationship, to be a son, to be
a husband, to be all of these things. And it's
been amazing. It's been really really fun.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Yeah, it's opening up something for you. I think that's exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
So yeah, I mean like we're all in the same boat,
especially around our ages. You know, I'm a little bit
older than you, even ten years. Either way, we're all
sort of like discovering this new version of ourselves and
where our life is taking us and figuring it all out.
But we're figuring it out now with such so much

(01:02:28):
more openness and so much more of a place of
understanding and wanting to love and understand ourselves so that
we can nurture ourselves through this life, because we've seen
what it's like to just be flying through it and
not knowing and not being connected with who we are,
what we're dealing with, and not sharing that with other people,
not being vulnerable about it, and it doesn't feel great

(01:02:50):
like that. All that did not feel great. Doing all
that learning, all this shit that got me to hear
didn't really feel that good. So I'm interested in what's
next and this whole movie of supporting one another as women.
I never experienced that in the industry that I was in,
so it's something that I'm longing for and I just
feel like other women are longing for it too, And

(01:03:12):
that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Ever. Doing this is fun. Great, good for you, this
is awesome. Maybe I'll sneak in. I have strong feminine energy,
so you know, okay, we'll a ticket. Okay, Well, thank
you so much. This has been really really uh, it's
been fun. It's been great, a great chat. I love
when I get into these sort of deeper conversations about

(01:03:33):
all this stuff. You know, it's me too, me too,
it's fun, and then let me know. I'm down to
come on your show if you if you if you
need someone to cry or a mote I love it. Yeah,
call me all right, cool.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Thank you talking?

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Happy holidays, Happy holidays. Oh god, fun always fun, said
the same descrivery time. It's always fun. But I like podcast.
I want to I want to listen to it. I
like that idea too, you know, interesting, deep, good conversation.
I like when it sort of takes those left turns
into something unexpected. Anyway, I need to eat food. I'm

(01:04:15):
intermittent fasting again because I'm growing titties. I