February 10, 2025 • 41 mins
Brenda Song talks Netflix and nuptials!
From planning a wedding with Macaulay Culkin, to FaceTiming Goldie…Brenda is calling the shots in her personal and professional life.
Plus, why the show “Running Point” combines both her passions, her hot take on the Lakers trade, and a surprising confession from Oliver about getting ghosted!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling raivalry.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, no, sibling.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
You don't do that with your mouth, revely.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's good. Welcome to Part two of Brenda Song Ollie.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm so excited to talk to have talked to Brenda
about this about our show and like our relationship on
the show, and also her childhood because it's just fascinating,
Like child actor life is a whole other thing that it's.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Just I mean, we made this into two parts, but
it could have been four because there's so much to
dive into. Brenda.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's like she's one of those people that she gets
going and it's just the best. Like she's hilarious and
filled with enthusiasm, and I just love her so much
and her life story is pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So enjoy Part two.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Part two, Brenda, we need to go into some of
your childhood, okay, because that's what our show's all about. Great,
and so let's move off of the inflection and let's
you were born and raised in the in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I was born up north uh in Sacramento, but I'm
in Carmichael to be specific. But I've lived in LA
since I was five.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And what brought your family to Los Angeles?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
So you, I mean, I don't even think you know this.
So it was me, me being a me acting. It
was for my birthday, my fifth birthday, that I wanted
everyone talks about like coming to LA and we came
out with another girl. So I'm gonna tell you like
the quickest, like how I became an actor, because that's
how I came to LA. So I grew up watching
Star Search.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I would always pretend like I was a model. I
wanted to be City Crawford coming out of her red
Lamborghini and I was in the ard and Fair mom
when I was three years old, and my mom had
me really young. She had me at sixteen, so she
was really young. And my MoMA was at a Kioskin
in the middle of the mall. They're doing like you know,
you know, one of those like modeling agencies like Model Search,
and I was watching and doing like my modeling walk,
(02:30):
and of course someone came over give my mom all
the info. But we had no money. My dad was
you know, it's still in school. My mom was so young.
They were both refugees and so great.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
My mom took the info.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I was like, okay, cool, didn't even think about it.
But I was like modeling school, and I didn't shut
up about it. Chakra at three years old, I didn't
like I was talking already, and so I just kept
talking about this school. A few weeks later, I got really,
really sick and I wouldn't take my medicine, and so
my mom I was like, okay, fine, if you take
your medicine, we'll take you to this modeling school. And
(03:03):
especially now being a parent, I realized like she was
just straight up lying, like you do anything, you say
anything to get your kids to take their medicine or
to do whatever. So I took my medicine and my
mom didn't think anything about it because she's like she's
a kid. I never shut up about it. And my grandma,
who was a housekeeper at the time, took everything out
of her savings, which was five hundred and twenty seven dollars,
and took me to this modeling school that wasn't legit,
(03:26):
but through them, I somehow met a real agent. Through
San Francis in San Francisco and sort of like started auditioning,
and my mom had no idea what she was doing,
but my mom knew that she wanted to sort of
break out of this kind of a Robrius cycle of
you know, getting married young, living in this like you know,
very small community and not kind of just breaking out
(03:47):
of that, and so I kind of started auditioning. My
very first like commercial audition was for a little Caesar's
Pizza and they brought.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Me in and pizza pizza, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
And they brought me with a bunch of kids, and
all the kids came back out and my mom was like, wait,
where's my daughter?
Speaker 5 (04:03):
And the casting director like brought her like told her to.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Come in, and she came in and they had asked
all the kids like does anyone know how to read?
And I had raised my hand and I was like me,
And before they could give me sides, I started reciting
the one book I knew, which is.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Mister Freubble's like Horrible Day Out.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
My grandma had taken someone had left it in one
of the hotel rooms, so she brought it to me
and I memorized this book. So I was in there
like reading them this book, and I booked this commercial
and I'm in doing I'm doing the running Man next
to the little Caesar's Pizza puppet.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
And that's how it sort of started.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And then when I I was just kind of auditioning and.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Everyone talks about coming to LA.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
So I came with another little girl for my fifth birthday,
and you know, my agent had had a meeting set
up with this very tiny little agent that she was
friends with, and I came out. She's like, sure, I'll
take you on this little like Asian girl who was
like way too excited to be acting. And then that
girl had a cattle call for commercial afterwards, and so
(05:01):
she went and we were in the car and it was
really hot, so my mom took me behind the building
to play with my dolls, and the casting director came
out to have a smoke, saw me, brought me in
and I booked the commercial somehow, and so we used
to just drive from Sacramento to LA like whenever I
had auditions, and we didn't move out here untill I
booked my first show when I was nine, And that's
(05:22):
sort of how it came to be. And I was
also really lucky I was also like really weird. I
was that kid like by the door with my portfolio
ready to go. My mom had I have younger siblings,
so she was always running around with them, and like
I would go in and sign myself in and fill
out my paper so as long as I can see you,
and my mom just a couple of years ago, was like,
I'm so sorry, I like never read lines with you. Like,
(05:44):
was I not supportive? Because this was very much an
after school activity for me. Like when I a lot
of kids at that time, like they would get, you know,
prizes for going to auditions. I was like, no, no, no,
the auditions were my prize, like I was. I loved
it so much, but my mom treated it as the
same way she did with like taekwondo or ballet, and
so it didn't even become a career until I was
(06:04):
a little bit older. When I was like fifteen and
I booked the kids show that I was on and
got into college.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, what was the big show?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
It was called The Sweet Life of Zack and Cody.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It was a jem show, that's right, So.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
And that's when it's sort of you know, at the time,
my parents kind of sat me down and were like,
here's the thing. If you want to go to college,
you go to college. Just sort of figure out what
you want to do. But if you want to continue acting,
you have an amazing opportunity to do it. But if
you do do that, it has to sort of be
a career. It has to become your career. Mom and
dad can't take you anywhere your brothers are in school.
And so that's when I think I sort of looked
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at acting with a different set of eyes because I was,
you know, driving myself to work and you know, seeing
this more than just something fun to.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Do after school.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
How old were you?
Speaker 5 (06:48):
I was.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I did the pilot when I was fifteen and at
sixteen when the show started. We did the show from
sixteen to twenty two.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Were you like, did you were you emancipated or were
you No?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I was. I was so lucky because I was still
able to do school. Because I was also such a nerd.
I graduated high school early, and because I was on
a kid's show, they still had a tutor for me
because the boys, the two twin boys, were so young
that they had a tutor. So I was still able
to do college courses through online college courses. I still
had a tutor, so it was really nice, like they
still allowed me to have that time to get my
(07:18):
second edit, my you know, higher education. But yeah, it
was honestly was really great. Like, yes, I was very
sheltered because I really I grew up on a set.
I remember I didn't go to my first like house
party until I was twenty twenty one, twenty two. And
the first time I saw pot, I thought it was
potpourri and tried to throw it away.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I was like, why would anyone leave that?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Like I'm thinking of like nineties pot pourrix and I'm
like this smells terrible, and They're like, Brenda, what are
you doing? And I was like, I just had no
concept of what pot was. And I then that was
a moment I realized. I was like, oh, I'm I'm
very sheltered. Like I haven't lived. I haven't like had,
I don't have any life experience. I've lived the work
life of a thirty year old woman since I.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Was so young. But what about your siblings? Did your
siblings to kind of even that out? I mean one
thousand percent.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I always say that my brothers drove me, except two
younger brothers one that is two years younger than me
and one that is seven years younger. They they drove
me insane, but they kept me sane. It's like you know,
your siblings, they keep it real all the time, like
I used to. I can really laugh about it now,
but I was like, but hurt when I was younger.
My brothers used to not especially when I was on
the show. My brothers didn't tell wouldn't tell anybody that
(08:27):
I was their like sibling. They'd be like the friends
would come over and see a picture of like us
and be like, oh, that's my cousin.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I was like, oh, dare you?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
But I didn't realize that they were just so protective
And I was like, they were just protective of me.
And I'm and I'm so grateful because you know, I
feel like your siblings and your family they're the constant
they will, They're the one that keep you grounded your
I feel like my life would not be and I
wouldn't be the person I am if I didn't have
my families support, their guidance and also them keeping it real.
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Like I feel like, no one humbles you more than family,
No one keeps you sane and drives you in sane
like family.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
When you met Mac, did you was this one of
the things you guys like really connected on, was like
being childhood child actors.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
You know, it's like it's one It wasn't one of
the first things we sort of connected on, but I
think that was sort of this unspoken like understanding that
we've had for like certain trauma that we both shared
that we didn't even quite realize that, oh, this stems
from us being child actors. Certain anxieties or stressors or
even triggers that you don't realize. You don't realize like
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as a kid, how much that affects you as an adult.
And when we first met, I mean obviously be a
very different experiences. He's like he was the most famous
child actor in the world, and it's like it's it's fascinating,
And I think it's been more interesting as like when
we were starting to get to know each other is
how different our experiences were, but also how that impacted
(09:50):
how we look at our our relationship with the industry now,
how he looks at and how I look at it.
I always say, like, I've been in this business for
thirty three years and I still love it.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Something must be wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
With me, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I'm like, I'm like, I must be beyond psychotic to
still love this, you know, are this medium so much?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
And so yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
No, No, I think it's also been really nice though,
to have someone who truly just really understand. He never
I never like have to question any He never questions
like he gets it. He gets what I do on
a different kind of level. And it's been so nice.
I've never had that before. He was the first boy
brought home.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Was your first boyfriend though an actor?
Speaker 5 (10:30):
No, I had never dated another actor before.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Never because because this was your life such a young
age that it's like, oh, you're around this, you know
what I mean? Like boys, I was No.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I was such a late bloomer.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
It's the thing is, I was not like I was
the opposite of kid. I was not a cool girl.
I was like, I was such a little nerd who like.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Sat at home.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I because you know, working so much as a kid,
I just like I loved being home so much. I'm
such a homebody and I just was a lap bloomer
to be honest, Like I didn't wasn't like crazy into boys.
Like my very first like boyfriend was like my best
friend who then we just started like, I guess this
is what we do because everyone else is dating. And
then of course that was so terrible because we were
(11:15):
best friends. Mac was like the first person that like
I spent spent my family, like Christmas with my family,
like the first person that I really brought home, which
is crazy because that didn't happen un till I was,
you know, almost thirty. But you know, it's working out.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So far, so far, so good, so far, so good.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Kate knows.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Kate knows far too much about our relationship.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I see her just like quietly.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I know lots ever Listen, everybody has when you're girls.
No matter how wonderful the relationship is, there's always things
that happen on a day to day basis. Oho, now
you drive you nuts. And so we would go to
work and be like, oh, oh my god, Branda and
I would sit and just could talk for hours about
like kids and yeah, the dynamics and.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Oh, believe me, I like one of the funny things
is like like Oliver, it's funny because I felt like
I heard your name so to his kid and be like,
oh my god, she like she talks about you just
as much as she does Danny in the best way.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Possible, Love you, Danny.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
But it was like for me, it's the same way
that I feel about my brothers. Like my brother who's
two years younger than me. We he's become my best friend.
Like his daughters are very close to my kids age,
so we see each other all the time. He's my
best friend. And that relationship sort of happened like in
our teenage years, like we fall like cats and dogs
because I wanted to hug and kiss my little brother.
(12:38):
And then all of a sudden I realized I was like,
oh no, we are like best friends. He's the person
that I you know, he'll text me in the middle
of the night be like, hey are you awake, Like
he's like I'm We will talk for hours, you know, And.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I don't get texts like that. I get high memes. Yeah,
Olie gets high and just sends me a meme.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
No, usually will send me a song music.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
He listens to music, and and then I know, like
it'll be like it'll be like eleven thirty at night,
like midnight, and I honestly like things like Alli. I'm
like some.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Weird, weird like duo. These two weirdos like making music
from their nose, like how sick. He's like, how sick?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
This is fucking genius. I was like, you guys, I'm like,
this is so high because.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I feel like we've gotten like we've seen that the tour.
I was like, oh my god, only sent this to
me yesterday or whatever, like it was really funny.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I felt like I knew you.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I remember seeing you at at your parents like charity
gala and feeling like I knew you because of your
relationship with Kate, and that's like and I love that
so much. By I felt like you were scared. I
was like hi, Oliver, and you were like, Hi, you're
too excited. I was like, I feel like I know you.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I know you know. It's fun because we have a
family affair, big chat. But then there's certain specific things
that are so Kate and I'm like, oh, I got
to send this to her. It's it's usually like weird
music stuff or something very like sad and emotional.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Oh my god, that's like what I sent Oliver the
other day. I was like, oh, Oliver's going to lose it.
It was because I saw it. It came up on
my feet and it was just like it literally made me.
I was like, there are just amazing humans in the world,
and it's this doctor who dresses his kids up in
superheroes before they go into surgery. Yeah, And I sent
(14:31):
it to Oliver.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I was like, I can't you make some superheroes and
they put capes on them and you know they.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
No, don't get me there, No, Kate would Kate would
like she would because I think your algorithm is knows
that that's what you're in do. I so many times
would be She's like, hold on, it's like you have to.
I was like, Kate, we can't cry right before we're
about to go do this, and she would show you
like some like baby animal doing something like I can't.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I can't. Yeah, I know. My algorithm is filled with
the most like oh my algorithm is so weird. It's
like fishing like emotional children's stories and then like huge
boobs every once in a while, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I actually think it's a really funny thing to do
with your friends is to just make everyone at one
moment be like, Okay, what's your algorithm? Like I want
to see it right now because it's.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
A screenshot of your algorithm.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
What is it? Oh my god, it's so funny because
mine is like before and afters. I have a million
before and afters, like like there's it's like threads, you know,
and like and I am like so shallow and vain
in my algorithm, like I'm really.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Mine right now. Mine is just sports like that is.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Oh that's the best.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Mine is so sad. It is literally basketball like the
Rams and Lakers.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That's my airl my god, that's so funny because you
can change your you can change your friends out algorithms,
And that's what happens to me. If I just keep
sending you something, you keep opening it, it's going to change.
Oh yeah, yeah, for sure, that's what's happened. That's what happens.
Because when your guy, when your friend sends you someone
some kegels, you're like you took on a kegel and
you're like, oh look, and then another keegel comes up.
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You're like, I guess I'll check this kegel out, and
then before you know it, you're like neck deep in kegels.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Then then I feel like my algorithm should be different.
I feel like they're trying to push all these things
on me that it doesn't really represent anyway.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, well I will say this. I'm also not on
social lot, like that's one of the things that I said.
I used to always be like, oh, I know it's
my generation. I'm not. But Kate is so good at
being like present on social but not letting it inhibit
your like every day life. You're like on set in
the moment, but yet you're still able to be like like,
(16:54):
you know, you're you have a great social media presence
even though you're still like living your everyday life.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Well, I just oh see, it's all before and after.
It's like crazy, like I don't even know. It's just
so many.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Before and after before and after.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
What the It's like facial massage, no, like like like like.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yes, I've got boobs. And then fish because I've like
like these Japanese men cutting huge tunas because I love
to I love to fish, and I love cooking fish
and I love watching them fill a It's just like
it's fascinating, embarrassed, and then all of a sudden, it's
like fish and boobs maybe, and.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I'm just vanity and disaster. That's all this is. It's
like people, all of the things I'm into.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I'm just I'm saying it out loud because I'm not
I'm not afraid to speak.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Of my shame. You're really is Lakers Rams.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Like, yeah, I know, I'm telling you, Like I have
a real obsession, Like I really only use social media
for work, and if I'm ever on anything, the only
rabbit holes that I go down are usually sport rabbit holes.
And so that's probably why my algorithm is that way,
because all of a sudden, I'm like, oh my gosh, wait,
Cooper Cup is talking about getting traded, and.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Then I go down the deep hole.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
And then I really try hard to stay on social
media because I realize that there's so many other things
that I need to be doing with my spare time.
And I have such an addictive personality that if.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I sort, I'm so much like you it's crazy. I
have two things to say. Number One, Cooper Cup. I
woke up this morning and thought Cooper Cup. Because I'm
a big football fan Kate and I a Broncos fan,
I had this premonition that he's going to go to
the Bronx whichever it would be a really good start. However,
number one. Number two, I've been reading about this sort
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of dopamine. How you know, we don't earn our dopamine
anymore because it's so accessible as far as clicking and scrolling,
and you know, it's just constant, and it puts you
into this hole. Especially if you are prone or have ADHD,
it can just send you into this crazy place. And
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upon reflection, I am in a massive dopamine insane place.
I need to start earning my dopamine again. And I
started this morning by doing what my sister said, which
is not going on my phone. I picked up my book,
immediately read for twenty minutes, went downstairs, made of coffee.
(19:51):
I had to do some note stuff with some work things,
you know, so and immediately feel great. Yeah, immediately you
feel it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
If you don't pick up your phone and you do
and you read, it just completely changes. Yeah, it's the
dopamine hit.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yes, yes, I.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Feel the same way I saw because I obviously, I like,
I don't handle stress very well. And I realized a
couple of years ago that I was like on especially
during the pandemic, I was like high, Like my anxiety
was so high, stress levels were so high. And I realized,
because we're all at home. I was just like refreshing
my like social society, what was happening in the world,
what's going on? And I forgot to sort of take
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care of myself and in the last year, And honestly,
Kate was such a big like inspiration for like me
getting back into the gym, me like taking time for
myself because I I really struggled, especially when I had
my kids, struggling with finding like a work life balance
and like trying to mitigate that stress and that anxiety.
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And I didn't realize like how much like you know,
if you're on your phone at night, you don't realize
that you've been scrolling on Instagram for an hour and
you should have been sleeping. But it took me a
second to also, I think, you know, that's a good
way to put it. Earning back your dopamine was. I
try not to be on my phone before when I
wake up or when I go to sleep, or I
usually I try to only use it for like work,
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for texting, for emailing. I've like put all of my
like social apps within its own little thing, so it's
not something that I just click on mindlessly. But it's
because I think it's so hard in today's society because
everything is so easily accessible. It's like right there, it's
like it's one information. We have supercomputers in our pockets.
It's like it's it's so different now. And this past
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year has been so amazing to sort of kind of
take a step back and go back to waking up,
like spending time reading, going to the gym, like not
even paying attention to my phone, Like I have a
specific like alerts for work things or for people in
my life, so I know when I need to look
at my phone, and I feel like it has helped
my stress level so much.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
It's amazing when you find the things that work for
you and you can consolidate those things, how it changes
the way that you live. Like I, for instance, like
I think the first thing is to assess the things
that are your weak point, weak spots, like what are
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the challenges and like mine, I think for everybody it's
definitely the phone. But my big thing was like my
like I look at like how like okay, how can
I be the most efficient in my life, achieve the
things that I want to achieve, but not go down
this thing like I have to be available to everybody
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in order to succeed. I have to be an open
book and I have to be doing this all the time,
and I need this all the time, and I need
this all the time to succeed, and then you can't
really focus on your children. Like what is your version
of success?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Those things like you all assess right then when you
kind of go back to it. I always think it's
like I always think it becomes like what's the thing
that's your achilles heel? Like what's the thing that drives
you crazy? And like then you write those things down,
Like I don't want to be looking at my phone
all the time. I can't stand that fucking thing because
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I can't. I want to be able to be focused
on my kids, and I'm we're focusing on my kids,
and I realize that, like there are all of these
things that you can be doing that we're not doing. Like,
for instance, I hate emails. Some people love them. I
hate them. I don't like them. I find them to
be disruptive. I find it to be one of the
things that people think because they send you an email,
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that means that that's they've done their part. That they
don't follow through. If they send email to me. Then
it's like someone's as well, I sent you the email,
and you're like when two weeks ago and then you
have to go through a million emails. What's the heading?
You get the heading wrong, it's not right. You can't
get to the email. I'll put it back up in
your inbox. I'm like, I hate this. What's your inbox
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at right now?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Oh? I don't even look at them. I can't even
see mine is zero. I have a weird thing. I
have to clear everything out.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Makes you feel good? Yeah, so that's your vibe, Like
that's what I'm saying, Like you have to for me.
I've just realized that everybody in my life needs to
know that I have a phone number and that you
can call me. Yeah, and like I'm one of those, right,
So so that way I don't have to sit there
and go through emails and sit for hours and have
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it be disrupting me when I'm trying to watch the kids. Well,
you got to answer this email. You got to do
I can't do it. And so it's like, so I
set my times, like in the morning, I have an
hour I look at my emails. That's it. I'm not
going to look at them all day's right, and then
I make sure that I communicate to everybody that I
don't look at emails, like if they really need me,
(24:42):
they can text me or they can call me. Like
I think everybody needs those little things that make their
life less that they know what they can handle. Like
I am so adhd Like I'm halfway down an email
and I'm like I'm out, I'm out, I can't And
then I was right back. I'm like, great, that's my response.
I'm not gonna sit here and write.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
That's like me reading news articles in the morning. I'm like, oh,
this is interesting, like you know something, and I get
like three pair of paragraph and I'm like I'm done.
Or sometimes I'll scroll all the way to the end
and then I'll read the last paragraph and then go
backwards and for some reason that helps me.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Whatever your process or boundary is like one of the
things that I like, you know, I was such a creep.
I was like I would just like watch Kate all
the time because I was like I didn't know, like
it was so incredibly like inspiring to see you do everything,
but at the same time, like you could you would
sit down and talk to anybody for like an hour
about anything, like if you got into a conversation with someone,
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you would drop anything and everything to have a real
conversation with someone and like it like nothing else mattered,
and it said so much about who you were. And
I think that's why this experience was so amazing, because
everyone else could be great, but if our number, if
Kate was terrible, the whole experience would be like, oh.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
This is this is not fun.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
But we I think you set such a great tone
and pace for the show and for everyone. Everyone just
had such a good time because we all were so comfortable,
we all felt so safe, like and the funny thing
is that we like we joke about Genesis, Genesis, who's incredible.
It was because the fact that we would because you
didn't like everyone on top of you, that's.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
What we'd be.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Like Jenifist because she would be doing whatever, like she
was just like come out of the shadows.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
She was like, I've been here the whole time doing
all this thing.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
That's like, oh oh god, hold on, Genesis, it's already done.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
It's already done.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Like that's what was amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
So Jenna I just yelled her name. She's like here, yes,
it's like that's what.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Was like so fascinating, because I think for me it
was I say, I was so fortunate that this was
one of the first jobs I came into after having kids,
because it's so daunting for me at least to find
a balance, and like every single day, like Kate could.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Attest this, I was like, Kate, what do I do?
I don't know how to do this.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
It's you gave me such incredible like advice about motherhood,
about life, about work life balance that I it honestly
changed me so much and changed my perspective and outlook
on this business.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And yeah, and also like just I mean, I think
I can say this because it's a very common thing
for women and I think an important thing that women
like you kind of get out of the hormone phase
of like having your child. So it's about a year in, yeah,
and the baby's your hormones start to get back into
their normal thing, and then you want to go do stuff.
(27:38):
You want to go work or have your own kind
of experience. And then at the same time, you're just
like completely pulled by the desire to just also want
to be domestic. And so that's like you're like living
in this dichotomy of like, I really want to go
have that experience and I want to feel like it
did before I had a child, but I don't. So
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therefore I'm trying to figure out how to still feel
present in this while I can still be a really
great mom.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
No, but how how lucky are you that you got
to work in Los Angeles? Because that's big, Oh my god,
with kids with baby with babies too, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Well, and I think for I think for people who
kind of think like that, you know, there's there's like
the pros and cons of our business is that you
can do a show. For ours was four four and
a half months. You do the show, and then you
have a lot of time off, right depending on how
you live your life. But like then you could have
a good month off, you could have a good two
months off before you start another job. And that's a
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great thing because then you're super connected in your family
and you can be home. But the but the flip
side of it is that you have five am calls,
so you're up before the kids are up, and then
if you're like our show, you're not home until the
kids are just about to go to sleep or not
after yeah, so you're missing you literally missing everything, like oh,
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you have a.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Parent teacher conference. You're like, uh yeah, me boring anyway, you.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Know, or even like one I had to watch Ronnie's
like show on FaceTime. It just sucked. It just sucks.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
But it's one of the best things about working on like,
you know, something like our show. It's like for four
and a half months, you're like sort of in this
bubble where you know, like it's like your business, Like Oliver,
You're in Toronto doing this show. It's like camp. You
get to know everyone super well. You get this like crazy,
very very unique experience, and then sometimes you may never
see these people again for years. Yeah, it's like the
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craziest emotional like up and down.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
I was like, no, wonder, we're all crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Is Oh, of course, of course that's what That's the
way it is. And my son Wilder is working on
the show too, and he's getting to experience that, which
is the how quickly you everyone falls in love, yeah,
and then how quickly you know you break up?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
And oh, I have to say, Brenda's different because Brenda's
been on her like you know, amazing press a moment
with the with the movie last show Girl, which was
so fun to see you in.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
So said that we missed you at tip.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I didn't realize that we were there now at the
same time.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Just missed each other.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Oh, I want to see that.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I'm in my I'm in my oscar moment right now.
I just watched The Apprentice last night. Oh yeah, dude,
fucking great, so good. Sebastianism is so good. That is
such a difficult tightrope to walk, and he fucking did
it masterfully. I was like blown away by him. I
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thought he was amazing, honestly, like amazing, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
But what I was going to say, what I was
going to say was that Brenda, because Brenda's been you
know and then doing her thing. But we've actually my
the siblings, Me, Scottie and Drew have really tried to
stay connected during this whole time, like if I if
I'm back, we'll go out and have like sibling you know,
(31:06):
dinners and all things.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
But yeah, Scotty was over that. It was in a desert,
and I'm really good friends with Swiss Scotty as well.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
I love Scotty.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, he's the best.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
So there is a different like we have we have
kind of maintained a little bit better than I think,
But it's true. You kind of go into this camp
and then you got and then you come back for press,
which I'm so excited because so much fun, I know.
And that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
It's like, but you because you bond so and I
think because you know, obviously we've had so many different experiences,
and I feel like this show is really special because
everyone was so different and everyone was living their own
very crazy lives. But we all got to like really
like escape to do the show together.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
It was like our escape from like all the craziness
that was happening. And I'm so genuinely excited to see
everyone just in a couple of weeks, which I.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Know were no assholes, No, everyone is so fun, Like
so you're working with the best comedians, people who just
don't miss a beat, like totally, you know, they got
the memo. Everyone showed up the way you would want
people to show up for a show like this, which
is supposed to be fun and enjoyable to watch, and
(32:20):
and and and and then we all fell in love
with each other. It was like I I literally left
every day going I'm having the time of my life
with everything, you know, and then it's just you, me
and a bunch of boys. You know, it's literally just us.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
But you know what was so great about that though,
and I talked to Dave about it, is the fact
that but you and I have we have so many Davis,
our showrunner, and it's like because we have brothers, I
It's like, doesn't we there was never like we were
never we were like we would mess around with the
boys just as much as they would mess around with
each other.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Because yeah, I was like, this is.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
All I know.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I don't know any we don't know sisters. Yeah, I
mean I actually have a sister, which I'm getting to
know now, But like we grew up with boys.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
That's all right.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
So it's like it couldn't have hired two girls that
felt more comfortable in a room full of stinky uh
like completely inappropriate boy exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Like And the funny thing was like, I mean, you know, Allie,
you know, you know Scotty, like I feel like he
would like he's always so facetious and like so like
he would like, you know, he's so funny, but yet
if he gave it back to him, he'd be like
oh my god, what you'd like me, So.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
You have to take it and you give it. You
better be able to take it.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
And like he'd be appalled by some of the things
I said to him, Like even like we were texting
about something. He goes it's like he's like this feels inappropriate, Like, sir,
read your text message and then you tell me it
was so much fun. And it's like when we were
wrapping the show, it's like one of the hardest things
about these sort of like ten episode series. By the
(33:57):
time we were like on our tenth episode and about
to wrap this series or the season, it was hard because,
like I remember, we had this conversation multiple times. We're like, wait,
we're just in rhythm, like we just got to know
our characters, got to know each other, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Shouldn't there be five more episodes because we were just
so in it.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah. But by the end of it, it's like it's
like you almost want to shoot the pilot at the
end because by then it's like that's.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
When we know each other, we know our characters. It's
it's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
It's not a bad idea I.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Started doing doing the pilot at the end of the show.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeh yeah, before we get out of here, I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
So you've been you've got even with Mac for ten years,
right or so, coming up on eight eight years and
you're you're getting married though.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I sort of got the will we just haven't.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
The thing I'm still people is we haven't had time.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
This is my thing. We talked about this on the
show too. It's like planning a wedding.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Right, So it's not about it's not about doing the
Goldie Han Kurt Russell method. It's more just about like,
we don't have time.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
And can I tell you though, we have very much
to use your parents as example. Way before we ever
knew you guys, was like I love the fact that
you don't need a piece of paper to show that
your commitment to.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
One another totally.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
You choose to show up every single day and that's
what we do. It's like, you know, for us, if
we're to get married, it'd be more just for the kids. Like,
of course I want to be married to him. I
love him, he's my partner. He knows that. But a
piece of paper is not going to change that for us.
If anything, it's a reason to have a party. And
to have all of our friends over and to celebrate.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
That's my thing. It's like what are we it's and
this is you knew the amount.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Of time as we talked about we did, how.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Many dresses we've looked at, like oh fashion was like
this would be a great like the.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Actual like party and that's the fun part. Yeah you know, yeah,
But but then like.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
There's money, so much money.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
It costs so much money, and it's so much planning.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
And no, no what I'm saying like getting though there's
a financial benefit to get a tacky things.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Oh believe me, I know there's like when we were
starting TOTAT, I was like, Pebe, I don't know if
I want to be in your tax bracket. It kind
of sucks like in my little leg, like you have
those silly conversations because it's so much more than just
like running off to get married.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I mean, believe me.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
It's again like part of us is like, well maybe
we just like have a party to celebrate like us,
like there's you know, at this point, I don't think
we could be more connected and more committed in any way,
shape or form. But also at the same time, we
always say, like I always want to check in with
him and make sure that he's happy and that this
is what he continuously wants, because you know, especially in
a relationship, it's like, yes, you're gonna have to fight there,
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you're gonna have ups and downs, but ultimately we care
about each other enough where we want to make sure
that this is where we continuously want to be and
that we're moving forward in the same direction. Because it's
also hard, especially in this business, when we're both off
doing like little bubbles and you're so busy and to
stay connected is really hard. It's one of the things
that I really loved about working on this show was
(37:03):
seeing how all of these very busy, successful people stayed
connected with their partners. Like, you know, I remember meeting
Katie Scott's wife for the first time and being like,
oh my god, it is so nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
And see I don't like this. Oh my god, you're
a saint.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Yeah, Like, how do you do it?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
How do you tell to you? How does this feel? Intimately?
Because because this is a lot.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
It's also been so little, but it's so wonderful to
kind of like especially like experiences, I guess where you
get to go and sort of learn from each other
and like ask for advice from because what we do
is so crazy. Like I always say, like, I'm so fortunate.
I get to do the thing that I dreamed of
doing since I was a little kid, and that's my job.
And I get to like work with people that I
(37:53):
like admire that I like never thought that i'd be
in the same room in and I get to work
with them and to be collaborate. It's so crazy what
we do and to sort of also, so it's also
at the same time, it's very like it's very specific.
So when you meet a group of people who are
so open and generous with their time and their advice
about what it's like to navigate being a good human being,
(38:15):
being a good parent, a good partner. Also while you know,
working and doing all these things, it's really nice and
it's surprising that you don't run into more incredibly generous.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
People like we did on this show.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Like I it's one of my favorite things was just
hanging out and talking to everybody like we did that
like the last few days of filming.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
I think that's all we did.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
We were like we were just in our corner watching
the game. Just those are fun those were fun, fun,
crazy night shoots we had.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Oh my god, we have night shoots that we're just Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
It was so fun and funny because it's like at
the end of the day, we were I mean, we
just had a time. Like I can't I can't say
anything like I miss I truly hope that we get
to do more because it was such a fun time
and everyone. It's also like everyone was so talented, Like
that was the thing, Like I felt so incredibly like
in a place where everyone was like the bar was
(39:16):
set so high every single day that it was like, Oh,
it's like it's like just fun to be in that
kind of environment. Like I miss it.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
It was the best. You're the best.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
No, you're the best. No, I you don't understand. I
miss you so much.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
I because you were in New York for forever now,
so now that you're not, well, we'll be in New
York together. Well, I'll like, come bug.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
You got it. Maybe I'll fly down. I'm visit.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
That would be so fun.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
We're actually gonna have the boys on the sibling that I.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Was about to say, I was like, Oh, that is going.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
To be so much fun. It's so fun to do
this with the cast. It's like, this is the best.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
No, this is the best. Thank you guys for having
me on. This is so great. I'm so happy to
see you, Kate. I missed you. I can't wait to
see you next week.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I love you.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
You know I love you guys.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Oliver.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
It was nice to like, finally.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Chat, nice to finally chat. Maybe I'll see in New York.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Yes, yes, thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
We should go to a game. That's really what we
should do. And we should go to a game.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Let's do it well.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Now that we have Luca, it's even more excited. We
have to go to a game.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Holy fuck, Jeanie, if you're listening to us, we need
to come to a game.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Genie, if you're listening to us, what did I do?
I might just let me know what I did?
Speaker 5 (40:20):
What I did? I'll talk soon. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Bye. Isn't she the best?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
She's so great.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
She's also so talented, Oliver. She's like, she's so funny
and talented. We had so much fun together, and it's
just a funny thing when you meet someone for the
first time and you don't know how that's going to gel.
And we do so much together and the first read
through was just the best. I was like, Oh, she's
(40:50):
so got such good energy and she's so much fun,
and it's yeah, I hope people like the show because
we all loved doing it.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
No
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
a sibling raivalry.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, no, sibling.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
You don't do that with your mouth, revely.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That's good. Welcome to Part two of Brenda Song Ollie.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm so excited to talk to have talked to Brenda
about this about our show and like our relationship on
the show, and also her childhood because it's just fascinating,
Like child actor life is a whole other thing that it's.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Just I mean, we made this into two parts, but
it could have been four because there's so much to
dive into. Brenda.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's like she's one of those people that she gets
going and it's just the best. Like she's hilarious and
filled with enthusiasm, and I just love her so much
and her life story is pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So enjoy Part two.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Part two, Brenda, we need to go into some of
your childhood, okay, because that's what our show's all about. Great,
and so let's move off of the inflection and let's
you were born and raised in the in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I was born up north uh in Sacramento, but I'm
in Carmichael to be specific. But I've lived in LA
since I was five.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And what brought your family to Los Angeles?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
So you, I mean, I don't even think you know this.
So it was me, me being a me acting. It
was for my birthday, my fifth birthday, that I wanted
everyone talks about like coming to LA and we came
out with another girl. So I'm gonna tell you like
the quickest, like how I became an actor, because that's
how I came to LA. So I grew up watching
Star Search.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I would always pretend like I was a model. I
wanted to be City Crawford coming out of her red
Lamborghini and I was in the ard and Fair mom
when I was three years old, and my mom had
me really young. She had me at sixteen, so she
was really young. And my MoMA was at a Kioskin
in the middle of the mall. They're doing like you know,
you know, one of those like modeling agencies like Model Search,
and I was watching and doing like my modeling walk,
(02:30):
and of course someone came over give my mom all
the info. But we had no money. My dad was
you know, it's still in school. My mom was so young.
They were both refugees and so great.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
My mom took the info.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I was like, okay, cool, didn't even think about it.
But I was like modeling school, and I didn't shut
up about it. Chakra at three years old, I didn't
like I was talking already, and so I just kept
talking about this school. A few weeks later, I got really,
really sick and I wouldn't take my medicine, and so
my mom I was like, okay, fine, if you take
your medicine, we'll take you to this modeling school. And
(03:03):
especially now being a parent, I realized like she was
just straight up lying, like you do anything, you say
anything to get your kids to take their medicine or
to do whatever. So I took my medicine and my
mom didn't think anything about it because she's like she's
a kid. I never shut up about it. And my grandma,
who was a housekeeper at the time, took everything out
of her savings, which was five hundred and twenty seven dollars,
and took me to this modeling school that wasn't legit,
(03:26):
but through them, I somehow met a real agent. Through
San Francis in San Francisco and sort of like started auditioning,
and my mom had no idea what she was doing,
but my mom knew that she wanted to sort of
break out of this kind of a Robrius cycle of
you know, getting married young, living in this like you know,
very small community and not kind of just breaking out
(03:47):
of that, and so I kind of started auditioning. My
very first like commercial audition was for a little Caesar's
Pizza and they brought.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Me in and pizza pizza, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
And they brought me with a bunch of kids, and
all the kids came back out and my mom was like, wait,
where's my daughter?
Speaker 5 (04:03):
And the casting director like brought her like told her to.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Come in, and she came in and they had asked
all the kids like does anyone know how to read?
And I had raised my hand and I was like me,
And before they could give me sides, I started reciting
the one book I knew, which is.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Mister Freubble's like Horrible Day Out.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
My grandma had taken someone had left it in one
of the hotel rooms, so she brought it to me
and I memorized this book. So I was in there
like reading them this book, and I booked this commercial
and I'm in doing I'm doing the running Man next
to the little Caesar's Pizza puppet.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
And that's how it sort of started.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And then when I I was just kind of auditioning and.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Everyone talks about coming to LA.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
So I came with another little girl for my fifth birthday,
and you know, my agent had had a meeting set
up with this very tiny little agent that she was
friends with, and I came out. She's like, sure, I'll
take you on this little like Asian girl who was
like way too excited to be acting. And then that
girl had a cattle call for commercial afterwards, and so
(05:01):
she went and we were in the car and it was
really hot, so my mom took me behind the building
to play with my dolls, and the casting director came
out to have a smoke, saw me, brought me in
and I booked the commercial somehow, and so we used
to just drive from Sacramento to LA like whenever I
had auditions, and we didn't move out here untill I
booked my first show when I was nine, And that's
(05:22):
sort of how it came to be. And I was
also really lucky I was also like really weird. I
was that kid like by the door with my portfolio
ready to go. My mom had I have younger siblings,
so she was always running around with them, and like
I would go in and sign myself in and fill
out my paper so as long as I can see you,
and my mom just a couple of years ago, was like,
I'm so sorry, I like never read lines with you. Like,
(05:44):
was I not supportive? Because this was very much an
after school activity for me. Like when I a lot
of kids at that time, like they would get, you know,
prizes for going to auditions. I was like, no, no, no,
the auditions were my prize, like I was. I loved
it so much, but my mom treated it as the
same way she did with like taekwondo or ballet, and
so it didn't even become a career until I was
(06:04):
a little bit older. When I was like fifteen and
I booked the kids show that I was on and
got into college.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, what was the big show?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
It was called The Sweet Life of Zack and Cody.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It was a jem show, that's right, So.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
And that's when it's sort of you know, at the time,
my parents kind of sat me down and were like,
here's the thing. If you want to go to college,
you go to college. Just sort of figure out what
you want to do. But if you want to continue acting,
you have an amazing opportunity to do it. But if
you do do that, it has to sort of be
a career. It has to become your career. Mom and
dad can't take you anywhere your brothers are in school.
And so that's when I think I sort of looked
(06:38):
at acting with a different set of eyes because I was,
you know, driving myself to work and you know, seeing
this more than just something fun to.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Do after school.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
How old were you?
Speaker 5 (06:48):
I was.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I did the pilot when I was fifteen and at
sixteen when the show started. We did the show from
sixteen to twenty two.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Were you like, did you were you emancipated or were
you No?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I was. I was so lucky because I was still
able to do school. Because I was also such a nerd.
I graduated high school early, and because I was on
a kid's show, they still had a tutor for me
because the boys, the two twin boys, were so young
that they had a tutor. So I was still able
to do college courses through online college courses. I still
had a tutor, so it was really nice, like they
still allowed me to have that time to get my
(07:18):
second edit, my you know, higher education. But yeah, it
was honestly was really great. Like, yes, I was very
sheltered because I really I grew up on a set.
I remember I didn't go to my first like house
party until I was twenty twenty one, twenty two. And
the first time I saw pot, I thought it was
potpourri and tried to throw it away.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I was like, why would anyone leave that?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Like I'm thinking of like nineties pot pourrix and I'm
like this smells terrible, and They're like, Brenda, what are
you doing? And I was like, I just had no
concept of what pot was. And I then that was
a moment I realized. I was like, oh, I'm I'm
very sheltered. Like I haven't lived. I haven't like had,
I don't have any life experience. I've lived the work
life of a thirty year old woman since I.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Was so young. But what about your siblings? Did your
siblings to kind of even that out? I mean one
thousand percent.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I always say that my brothers drove me, except two
younger brothers one that is two years younger than me
and one that is seven years younger. They they drove
me insane, but they kept me sane. It's like you know,
your siblings, they keep it real all the time, like
I used to. I can really laugh about it now,
but I was like, but hurt when I was younger.
My brothers used to not especially when I was on
the show. My brothers didn't tell wouldn't tell anybody that
(08:27):
I was their like sibling. They'd be like the friends
would come over and see a picture of like us
and be like, oh, that's my cousin.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I was like, oh, dare you?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
But I didn't realize that they were just so protective
And I was like, they were just protective of me.
And I'm and I'm so grateful because you know, I
feel like your siblings and your family they're the constant
they will, They're the one that keep you grounded your
I feel like my life would not be and I
wouldn't be the person I am if I didn't have
my families support, their guidance and also them keeping it real.
(08:56):
Like I feel like, no one humbles you more than family,
No one keeps you sane and drives you in sane
like family.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
When you met Mac, did you was this one of
the things you guys like really connected on, was like
being childhood child actors.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
You know, it's like it's one It wasn't one of
the first things we sort of connected on, but I
think that was sort of this unspoken like understanding that
we've had for like certain trauma that we both shared
that we didn't even quite realize that, oh, this stems
from us being child actors. Certain anxieties or stressors or
even triggers that you don't realize. You don't realize like
(09:30):
as a kid, how much that affects you as an adult.
And when we first met, I mean obviously be a
very different experiences. He's like he was the most famous
child actor in the world, and it's like it's it's fascinating,
And I think it's been more interesting as like when
we were starting to get to know each other is
how different our experiences were, but also how that impacted
(09:50):
how we look at our our relationship with the industry now,
how he looks at and how I look at it.
I always say, like, I've been in this business for
thirty three years and I still love it.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Something must be wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
With me, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I'm like, I'm like, I must be beyond psychotic to
still love this, you know, are this medium so much?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
And so yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:11):
No, No, I think it's also been really nice though,
to have someone who truly just really understand. He never
I never like have to question any He never questions
like he gets it. He gets what I do on
a different kind of level. And it's been so nice.
I've never had that before. He was the first boy
brought home.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Was your first boyfriend though an actor?
Speaker 5 (10:30):
No, I had never dated another actor before.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Never because because this was your life such a young
age that it's like, oh, you're around this, you know
what I mean? Like boys, I was No.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I was such a late bloomer.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
It's the thing is, I was not like I was
the opposite of kid. I was not a cool girl.
I was like, I was such a little nerd who like.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Sat at home.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
I because you know, working so much as a kid,
I just like I loved being home so much. I'm
such a homebody and I just was a lap bloomer
to be honest, Like I didn't wasn't like crazy into boys.
Like my very first like boyfriend was like my best
friend who then we just started like, I guess this
is what we do because everyone else is dating. And
then of course that was so terrible because we were
(11:15):
best friends. Mac was like the first person that like
I spent spent my family, like Christmas with my family,
like the first person that I really brought home, which
is crazy because that didn't happen un till I was,
you know, almost thirty. But you know, it's working out.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So far, so far, so good, so far, so good.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Kate knows.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Kate knows far too much about our relationship.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I see her just like quietly.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I know lots ever Listen, everybody has when you're girls.
No matter how wonderful the relationship is, there's always things
that happen on a day to day basis. Oho, now
you drive you nuts. And so we would go to
work and be like, oh, oh my god, Branda and
I would sit and just could talk for hours about
like kids and yeah, the dynamics and.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Oh, believe me, I like one of the funny things
is like like Oliver, it's funny because I felt like
I heard your name so to his kid and be like,
oh my god, she like she talks about you just
as much as she does Danny in the best way.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Possible, Love you, Danny.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
But it was like for me, it's the same way
that I feel about my brothers. Like my brother who's
two years younger than me. We he's become my best friend.
Like his daughters are very close to my kids age,
so we see each other all the time. He's my
best friend. And that relationship sort of happened like in
our teenage years, like we fall like cats and dogs
because I wanted to hug and kiss my little brother.
(12:38):
And then all of a sudden I realized I was like,
oh no, we are like best friends. He's the person
that I you know, he'll text me in the middle
of the night be like, hey are you awake, Like
he's like I'm We will talk for hours, you know, And.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I don't get texts like that. I get high memes. Yeah,
Olie gets high and just sends me a meme.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
No, usually will send me a song music.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
He listens to music, and and then I know, like
it'll be like it'll be like eleven thirty at night,
like midnight, and I honestly like things like Alli. I'm
like some.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Weird, weird like duo. These two weirdos like making music
from their nose, like how sick. He's like, how sick?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
This is fucking genius. I was like, you guys, I'm like,
this is so high because.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I feel like we've gotten like we've seen that the tour.
I was like, oh my god, only sent this to
me yesterday or whatever, like it was really funny.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I felt like I knew you.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I remember seeing you at at your parents like charity
gala and feeling like I knew you because of your
relationship with Kate, and that's like and I love that
so much. By I felt like you were scared. I
was like hi, Oliver, and you were like, Hi, you're
too excited. I was like, I feel like I know you.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I know you know. It's fun because we have a
family affair, big chat. But then there's certain specific things
that are so Kate and I'm like, oh, I got
to send this to her. It's it's usually like weird
music stuff or something very like sad and emotional.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Oh my god, that's like what I sent Oliver the
other day. I was like, oh, Oliver's going to lose it.
It was because I saw it. It came up on
my feet and it was just like it literally made me.
I was like, there are just amazing humans in the world,
and it's this doctor who dresses his kids up in
superheroes before they go into surgery. Yeah, And I sent
(14:31):
it to Oliver.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I was like, I can't you make some superheroes and
they put capes on them and you know they.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
No, don't get me there, No, Kate would Kate would
like she would because I think your algorithm is knows
that that's what you're in do. I so many times
would be She's like, hold on, it's like you have to.
I was like, Kate, we can't cry right before we're
about to go do this, and she would show you
like some like baby animal doing something like I can't.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I can't. Yeah, I know. My algorithm is filled with
the most like oh my algorithm is so weird. It's
like fishing like emotional children's stories and then like huge
boobs every once in a while, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I actually think it's a really funny thing to do
with your friends is to just make everyone at one
moment be like, Okay, what's your algorithm? Like I want
to see it right now because it's.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
A screenshot of your algorithm.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
What is it? Oh my god, it's so funny because
mine is like before and afters. I have a million
before and afters, like like there's it's like threads, you know,
and like and I am like so shallow and vain
in my algorithm, like I'm really.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Mine right now. Mine is just sports like that is.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Oh that's the best.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Mine is so sad. It is literally basketball like the
Rams and Lakers.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That's my airl my god, that's so funny because you
can change your you can change your friends out algorithms,
And that's what happens to me. If I just keep
sending you something, you keep opening it, it's going to change.
Oh yeah, yeah, for sure, that's what's happened. That's what happens.
Because when your guy, when your friend sends you someone
some kegels, you're like you took on a kegel and
you're like, oh look, and then another keegel comes up.
(16:17):
You're like, I guess I'll check this kegel out, and
then before you know it, you're like neck deep in kegels.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Then then I feel like my algorithm should be different.
I feel like they're trying to push all these things
on me that it doesn't really represent anyway.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Yeah, well I will say this. I'm also not on
social lot, like that's one of the things that I said.
I used to always be like, oh, I know it's
my generation. I'm not. But Kate is so good at
being like present on social but not letting it inhibit
your like every day life. You're like on set in
the moment, but yet you're still able to be like like,
(16:54):
you know, you're you have a great social media presence
even though you're still like living your everyday life.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Well, I just oh see, it's all before and after.
It's like crazy, like I don't even know. It's just
so many.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Before and after before and after.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
What the It's like facial massage, no, like like like like.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yes, I've got boobs. And then fish because I've like
like these Japanese men cutting huge tunas because I love
to I love to fish, and I love cooking fish
and I love watching them fill a It's just like
it's fascinating, embarrassed, and then all of a sudden, it's
like fish and boobs maybe, and.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I'm just vanity and disaster. That's all this is. It's
like people, all of the things I'm into.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I'm just I'm saying it out loud because I'm not
I'm not afraid to speak.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Of my shame. You're really is Lakers Rams.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Like, yeah, I know, I'm telling you, Like I have
a real obsession, Like I really only use social media
for work, and if I'm ever on anything, the only
rabbit holes that I go down are usually sport rabbit holes.
And so that's probably why my algorithm is that way,
because all of a sudden, I'm like, oh my gosh, wait,
Cooper Cup is talking about getting traded, and.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Then I go down the deep hole.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
And then I really try hard to stay on social
media because I realize that there's so many other things
that I need to be doing with my spare time.
And I have such an addictive personality that if.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I sort, I'm so much like you it's crazy. I
have two things to say. Number One, Cooper Cup. I
woke up this morning and thought Cooper Cup. Because I'm
a big football fan Kate and I a Broncos fan,
I had this premonition that he's going to go to
the Bronx whichever it would be a really good start. However,
number one. Number two, I've been reading about this sort
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of dopamine. How you know, we don't earn our dopamine
anymore because it's so accessible as far as clicking and scrolling,
and you know, it's just constant, and it puts you
into this hole. Especially if you are prone or have ADHD,
it can just send you into this crazy place. And
(19:31):
upon reflection, I am in a massive dopamine insane place.
I need to start earning my dopamine again. And I
started this morning by doing what my sister said, which
is not going on my phone. I picked up my book,
immediately read for twenty minutes, went downstairs, made of coffee.
(19:51):
I had to do some note stuff with some work things,
you know, so and immediately feel great. Yeah, immediately you
feel it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
If you don't pick up your phone and you do
and you read, it just completely changes. Yeah, it's the
dopamine hit.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yes, yes, I.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Feel the same way I saw because I obviously, I like,
I don't handle stress very well. And I realized a
couple of years ago that I was like on especially
during the pandemic, I was like high, Like my anxiety
was so high, stress levels were so high. And I realized,
because we're all at home. I was just like refreshing
my like social society, what was happening in the world,
what's going on? And I forgot to sort of take
(20:31):
care of myself and in the last year, And honestly,
Kate was such a big like inspiration for like me
getting back into the gym, me like taking time for
myself because I I really struggled, especially when I had
my kids, struggling with finding like a work life balance
and like trying to mitigate that stress and that anxiety.
(20:52):
And I didn't realize like how much like you know,
if you're on your phone at night, you don't realize
that you've been scrolling on Instagram for an hour and
you should have been sleeping. But it took me a
second to also, I think, you know, that's a good
way to put it. Earning back your dopamine was. I
try not to be on my phone before when I
wake up or when I go to sleep, or I
usually I try to only use it for like work,
(21:12):
for texting, for emailing. I've like put all of my
like social apps within its own little thing, so it's
not something that I just click on mindlessly. But it's
because I think it's so hard in today's society because
everything is so easily accessible. It's like right there, it's
like it's one information. We have supercomputers in our pockets.
It's like it's it's so different now. And this past
(21:33):
year has been so amazing to sort of kind of
take a step back and go back to waking up,
like spending time reading, going to the gym, like not
even paying attention to my phone, Like I have a
specific like alerts for work things or for people in
my life, so I know when I need to look
at my phone, and I feel like it has helped
my stress level so much.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
It's amazing when you find the things that work for
you and you can consolidate those things, how it changes
the way that you live. Like I, for instance, like
I think the first thing is to assess the things
that are your weak point, weak spots, like what are
(22:14):
the challenges and like mine, I think for everybody it's
definitely the phone. But my big thing was like my
like I look at like how like okay, how can
I be the most efficient in my life, achieve the
things that I want to achieve, but not go down
this thing like I have to be available to everybody
(22:34):
in order to succeed. I have to be an open
book and I have to be doing this all the time,
and I need this all the time, and I need
this all the time to succeed, and then you can't
really focus on your children. Like what is your version
of success?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Those things like you all assess right then when you
kind of go back to it. I always think it's
like I always think it becomes like what's the thing
that's your achilles heel? Like what's the thing that drives
you crazy? And like then you write those things down,
Like I don't want to be looking at my phone
all the time. I can't stand that fucking thing because
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I can't. I want to be able to be focused
on my kids, and I'm we're focusing on my kids,
and I realize that, like there are all of these
things that you can be doing that we're not doing. Like,
for instance, I hate emails. Some people love them. I
hate them. I don't like them. I find them to
be disruptive. I find it to be one of the
things that people think because they send you an email,
(23:30):
that means that that's they've done their part. That they
don't follow through. If they send email to me. Then
it's like someone's as well, I sent you the email,
and you're like when two weeks ago and then you
have to go through a million emails. What's the heading?
You get the heading wrong, it's not right. You can't
get to the email. I'll put it back up in
your inbox. I'm like, I hate this. What's your inbox
(23:51):
at right now?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Oh? I don't even look at them. I can't even
see mine is zero. I have a weird thing. I
have to clear everything out.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Makes you feel good? Yeah, so that's your vibe, Like
that's what I'm saying, Like you have to for me.
I've just realized that everybody in my life needs to
know that I have a phone number and that you
can call me. Yeah, and like I'm one of those, right,
So so that way I don't have to sit there
and go through emails and sit for hours and have
(24:20):
it be disrupting me when I'm trying to watch the kids. Well,
you got to answer this email. You got to do
I can't do it. And so it's like, so I
set my times, like in the morning, I have an
hour I look at my emails. That's it. I'm not
going to look at them all day's right, and then
I make sure that I communicate to everybody that I
don't look at emails, like if they really need me,
(24:42):
they can text me or they can call me. Like
I think everybody needs those little things that make their
life less that they know what they can handle. Like
I am so adhd Like I'm halfway down an email
and I'm like I'm out, I'm out, I can't And
then I was right back. I'm like, great, that's my response.
I'm not gonna sit here and write.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
That's like me reading news articles in the morning. I'm like, oh,
this is interesting, like you know something, and I get
like three pair of paragraph and I'm like I'm done.
Or sometimes I'll scroll all the way to the end
and then I'll read the last paragraph and then go
backwards and for some reason that helps me.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Whatever your process or boundary is like one of the
things that I like, you know, I was such a creep.
I was like I would just like watch Kate all
the time because I was like I didn't know, like
it was so incredibly like inspiring to see you do everything,
but at the same time, like you could you would
sit down and talk to anybody for like an hour
about anything, like if you got into a conversation with someone,
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you would drop anything and everything to have a real
conversation with someone and like it like nothing else mattered,
and it said so much about who you were. And
I think that's why this experience was so amazing, because
everyone else could be great, but if our number, if
Kate was terrible, the whole experience would be like, oh.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
This is this is not fun.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
But we I think you set such a great tone
and pace for the show and for everyone. Everyone just
had such a good time because we all were so comfortable,
we all felt so safe, like and the funny thing
is that we like we joke about Genesis, Genesis, who's incredible.
It was because the fact that we would because you
didn't like everyone on top of you, that's.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
What we'd be.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Like Jenifist because she would be doing whatever, like she
was just like come out of the shadows.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
She was like, I've been here the whole time doing
all this thing.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
That's like, oh oh god, hold on, Genesis, it's already done.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
It's already done.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Like that's what was amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
So Jenna I just yelled her name. She's like here, yes,
it's like that's what.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Was like so fascinating, because I think for me it
was I say, I was so fortunate that this was
one of the first jobs I came into after having kids,
because it's so daunting for me at least to find
a balance, and like every single day, like Kate could.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Attest this, I was like, Kate, what do I do?
I don't know how to do this.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
It's you gave me such incredible like advice about motherhood,
about life, about work life balance that I it honestly
changed me so much and changed my perspective and outlook
on this business.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And yeah, and also like just I mean, I think
I can say this because it's a very common thing
for women and I think an important thing that women
like you kind of get out of the hormone phase
of like having your child. So it's about a year in, yeah,
and the baby's your hormones start to get back into
their normal thing, and then you want to go do stuff.
(27:38):
You want to go work or have your own kind
of experience. And then at the same time, you're just
like completely pulled by the desire to just also want
to be domestic. And so that's like you're like living
in this dichotomy of like, I really want to go
have that experience and I want to feel like it
did before I had a child, but I don't. So
(28:01):
therefore I'm trying to figure out how to still feel
present in this while I can still be a really
great mom.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
No, but how how lucky are you that you got
to work in Los Angeles? Because that's big, Oh my god,
with kids with baby with babies too, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Well, and I think for I think for people who
kind of think like that, you know, there's there's like
the pros and cons of our business is that you
can do a show. For ours was four four and
a half months. You do the show, and then you
have a lot of time off, right depending on how
you live your life. But like then you could have
a good month off, you could have a good two
months off before you start another job. And that's a
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great thing because then you're super connected in your family
and you can be home. But the but the flip
side of it is that you have five am calls,
so you're up before the kids are up, and then
if you're like our show, you're not home until the
kids are just about to go to sleep or not
after yeah, so you're missing you literally missing everything, like oh,
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you have a.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Parent teacher conference. You're like, uh yeah, me boring anyway, you.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Know, or even like one I had to watch Ronnie's
like show on FaceTime. It just sucked. It just sucks.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
But it's one of the best things about working on like,
you know, something like our show. It's like for four
and a half months, you're like sort of in this
bubble where you know, like it's like your business, Like Oliver,
You're in Toronto doing this show. It's like camp. You
get to know everyone super well. You get this like crazy,
very very unique experience, and then sometimes you may never
see these people again for years. Yeah, it's like the
(29:37):
craziest emotional like up and down.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
I was like, no, wonder, we're all crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Is Oh, of course, of course that's what That's the
way it is. And my son Wilder is working on
the show too, and he's getting to experience that, which
is the how quickly you everyone falls in love, yeah,
and then how quickly you know you break up?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
And oh, I have to say, Brenda's different because Brenda's
been on her like you know, amazing press a moment
with the with the movie last show Girl, which was
so fun to see you in.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
So said that we missed you at tip.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I didn't realize that we were there now at the
same time.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Just missed each other.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Oh, I want to see that.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I'm in my I'm in my oscar moment right now.
I just watched The Apprentice last night. Oh yeah, dude,
fucking great, so good. Sebastianism is so good. That is
such a difficult tightrope to walk, and he fucking did
it masterfully. I was like blown away by him. I
(30:41):
thought he was amazing, honestly, like amazing, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
But what I was going to say, what I was
going to say was that Brenda, because Brenda's been you
know and then doing her thing. But we've actually my
the siblings, Me, Scottie and Drew have really tried to
stay connected during this whole time, like if I if
I'm back, we'll go out and have like sibling you know,
(31:06):
dinners and all things.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
But yeah, Scotty was over that. It was in a desert,
and I'm really good friends with Swiss Scotty as well.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
I love Scotty.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, he's the best.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
So there is a different like we have we have
kind of maintained a little bit better than I think,
But it's true. You kind of go into this camp
and then you got and then you come back for press,
which I'm so excited because so much fun, I know.
And that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
It's like, but you because you bond so and I
think because you know, obviously we've had so many different experiences,
and I feel like this show is really special because
everyone was so different and everyone was living their own
very crazy lives. But we all got to like really
like escape to do the show together.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
It was like our escape from like all the craziness
that was happening. And I'm so genuinely excited to see
everyone just in a couple of weeks, which I.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Know were no assholes, No, everyone is so fun, Like
so you're working with the best comedians, people who just
don't miss a beat, like totally, you know, they got
the memo. Everyone showed up the way you would want
people to show up for a show like this, which
is supposed to be fun and enjoyable to watch, and
(32:20):
and and and and then we all fell in love
with each other. It was like I I literally left
every day going I'm having the time of my life
with everything, you know, and then it's just you, me
and a bunch of boys. You know, it's literally just us.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
But you know what was so great about that though,
and I talked to Dave about it, is the fact
that but you and I have we have so many Davis,
our showrunner, and it's like because we have brothers, I
It's like, doesn't we there was never like we were
never we were like we would mess around with the
boys just as much as they would mess around with
each other.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Because yeah, I was like, this is.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
All I know.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I don't know any we don't know sisters. Yeah, I
mean I actually have a sister, which I'm getting to
know now, But like we grew up with boys.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
That's all right.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
So it's like it couldn't have hired two girls that
felt more comfortable in a room full of stinky uh
like completely inappropriate boy exactly.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Like And the funny thing was like, I mean, you know, Allie,
you know, you know Scotty, like I feel like he
would like he's always so facetious and like so like
he would like, you know, he's so funny, but yet
if he gave it back to him, he'd be like
oh my god, what you'd like me, So.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
You have to take it and you give it. You
better be able to take it.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
And like he'd be appalled by some of the things
I said to him, Like even like we were texting
about something. He goes it's like he's like this feels inappropriate, Like, sir,
read your text message and then you tell me it
was so much fun. And it's like when we were
wrapping the show, it's like one of the hardest things
about these sort of like ten episode series. By the
(33:57):
time we were like on our tenth episode and about
to wrap this series or the season, it was hard because,
like I remember, we had this conversation multiple times. We're like, wait,
we're just in rhythm, like we just got to know
our characters, got to know each other, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Shouldn't there be five more episodes because we were just
so in it.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah. But by the end of it, it's like it's
like you almost want to shoot the pilot at the
end because by then it's like that's.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
When we know each other, we know our characters. It's
it's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
It's not a bad idea I.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Started doing doing the pilot at the end of the show.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeh yeah, before we get out of here, I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
So you've been you've got even with Mac for ten years,
right or so, coming up on eight eight years and
you're you're getting married though.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I sort of got the will we just haven't.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
The thing I'm still people is we haven't had time.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
This is my thing. We talked about this on the
show too. It's like planning a wedding.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Right, So it's not about it's not about doing the
Goldie Han Kurt Russell method. It's more just about like,
we don't have time.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
And can I tell you though, we have very much
to use your parents as example. Way before we ever
knew you guys, was like I love the fact that
you don't need a piece of paper to show that
your commitment to.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
One another totally.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
You choose to show up every single day and that's
what we do. It's like, you know, for us, if
we're to get married, it'd be more just for the kids. Like,
of course I want to be married to him. I
love him, he's my partner. He knows that. But a
piece of paper is not going to change that for us.
If anything, it's a reason to have a party. And
to have all of our friends over and to celebrate.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
That's my thing. It's like what are we it's and
this is you knew the amount.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Of time as we talked about we did, how.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Many dresses we've looked at, like oh fashion was like
this would be a great like the.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Actual like party and that's the fun part. Yeah you know, yeah,
But but then like.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
There's money, so much money.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
It costs so much money, and it's so much planning.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
And no, no what I'm saying like getting though there's
a financial benefit to get a tacky things.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Oh believe me, I know there's like when we were
starting TOTAT, I was like, Pebe, I don't know if
I want to be in your tax bracket. It kind
of sucks like in my little leg, like you have
those silly conversations because it's so much more than just
like running off to get married.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I mean, believe me.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
It's again like part of us is like, well maybe
we just like have a party to celebrate like us,
like there's you know, at this point, I don't think
we could be more connected and more committed in any way,
shape or form. But also at the same time, we
always say, like I always want to check in with
him and make sure that he's happy and that this
is what he continuously wants, because you know, especially in
a relationship, it's like, yes, you're gonna have to fight there,
(36:41):
you're gonna have ups and downs, but ultimately we care
about each other enough where we want to make sure
that this is where we continuously want to be and
that we're moving forward in the same direction. Because it's
also hard, especially in this business, when we're both off
doing like little bubbles and you're so busy and to
stay connected is really hard. It's one of the things
that I really loved about working on this show was
(37:03):
seeing how all of these very busy, successful people stayed
connected with their partners. Like, you know, I remember meeting
Katie Scott's wife for the first time and being like,
oh my god, it is so nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
And see I don't like this. Oh my god, you're
a saint.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Yeah, Like, how do you do it?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
How do you tell to you? How does this feel? Intimately?
Because because this is a lot.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
It's also been so little, but it's so wonderful to
kind of like especially like experiences, I guess where you
get to go and sort of learn from each other
and like ask for advice from because what we do
is so crazy. Like I always say, like, I'm so fortunate.
I get to do the thing that I dreamed of
doing since I was a little kid, and that's my job.
And I get to like work with people that I
(37:53):
like admire that I like never thought that i'd be
in the same room in and I get to work
with them and to be collaborate. It's so crazy what
we do and to sort of also, so it's also
at the same time, it's very like it's very specific.
So when you meet a group of people who are
so open and generous with their time and their advice
about what it's like to navigate being a good human being,
(38:15):
being a good parent, a good partner. Also while you know,
working and doing all these things, it's really nice and
it's surprising that you don't run into more incredibly generous.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
People like we did on this show.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Like I it's one of my favorite things was just
hanging out and talking to everybody like we did that
like the last few days of filming.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
I think that's all we did.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
We were like we were just in our corner watching
the game. Just those are fun those were fun, fun,
crazy night shoots we had.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Oh my god, we have night shoots that we're just Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
It was so fun and funny because it's like at
the end of the day, we were I mean, we
just had a time. Like I can't I can't say
anything like I miss I truly hope that we get
to do more because it was such a fun time
and everyone. It's also like everyone was so talented, Like
that was the thing, Like I felt so incredibly like
in a place where everyone was like the bar was
(39:16):
set so high every single day that it was like, Oh,
it's like it's like just fun to be in that
kind of environment. Like I miss it.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
It was the best. You're the best.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
No, you're the best. No, I you don't understand. I
miss you so much.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
I because you were in New York for forever now,
so now that you're not, well, we'll be in New
York together. Well, I'll like, come bug.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
You got it. Maybe I'll fly down. I'm visit.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
That would be so fun.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
We're actually gonna have the boys on the sibling that I.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Was about to say, I was like, Oh, that is going.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
To be so much fun. It's so fun to do
this with the cast. It's like, this is the best.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
No, this is the best. Thank you guys for having
me on. This is so great. I'm so happy to
see you, Kate. I missed you. I can't wait to
see you next week.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I love you.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
You know I love you guys.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Oliver.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
It was nice to like, finally.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Chat, nice to finally chat. Maybe I'll see in New York.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Yes, yes, thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
We should go to a game. That's really what we
should do. And we should go to a game.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Let's do it well.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Now that we have Luca, it's even more excited. We
have to go to a game.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Holy fuck, Jeanie, if you're listening to us, we need
to come to a game.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Genie, if you're listening to us, what did I do?
I might just let me know what I did?
Speaker 5 (40:20):
What I did? I'll talk soon. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Bye. Isn't she the best?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
She's so great.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
She's also so talented, Oliver. She's like, she's so funny
and talented. We had so much fun together, and it's
just a funny thing when you meet someone for the
first time and you don't know how that's going to gel.
And we do so much together and the first read
through was just the best. I was like, Oh, she's
(40:50):
so got such good energy and she's so much fun,
and it's yeah, I hope people like the show because
we all loved doing it.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
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Oliver Hudson
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