The Top Dawes

Go behind the music with Los Angeles based folk rock band "Dawes." 

Taylor and Griffin, the brothers behind the hits, take Kate & Oliver through their process. How they are so in-tune when they make music, and what happens when they do butt heads creatively!

Plus, the iconic Laurel Canyon sound that inspires them, and what happened when they performed at The Grammys.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Relationships and what it's like to be siblings.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
We are a sibling raivalry. No, no, sibling. You don't
do that with your mouth s revely. That's good, husk.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I love you tomorrow tomorrow to I was singing that
to Rannie this morning, and it was weird because like
it was like the first time I heard her actually
listening to the lyrics of the song because I was
doing it really a soft like, uh, you know when

(01:03):
it comes to the.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Day that's great and lonely. I just pick up my
chir and.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Grin and say and she was like.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
The sun will come out tomorrow. And all of a sudden,
she was like, that is a beautiful song.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
I was like, oh my god, you actually get it. Yeah,
it was so cute. And then weird that that you
just started seeing that when that's what we were doing
this way.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
See I'm in tune, but you know my kids are
saying them raining blood from Slayer this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
You guys, as your your son who was like rolling
what was it called rolling?

Speaker 6 (01:47):
Uh? Rolling?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Loud rolling loud.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
God, he had the time of his life.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
I heard bing bing was like watching the live stream
with like Asap, Rocky and Playboy and they're all just obsessed.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
He was, but he was.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
He came homelike on fire.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
I mean he was nuts. He was crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean I almost killed him because his phone died.
Oh no, he couldn't get a hold of anybody. All
the moms were calling everybody, and it was just like,
what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Man, Like, come on, get it together.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
I thought it was so weird. That reminds me of
like when I was a teenager, Like mom wouldn't let
me go see the Black Crows with you, but she
let me go to the Grateful Dead concert where like
everyone was high. Yeah. I think I ran into my
English teacher at the Grateful Dead concert. I was walking

(02:48):
down like I was walking after where we were from
up in the you know, top of the arena. Comes
running down our you know, English teacher. She's like Kate
Dani and she was tripping her head off.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Oh my god, that's our school.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I'll never forget it.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
That makes sense, said nineties school, the school we went to.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, not like that anymore. No, listen, I'm excited with
our next guest. All over Hathan.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Allahdan that's me because Dawes, Well, first of all, they've
been through a lot in this last you know months,
with the fires and everything.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
They are no the Fujikawas. They're all around the same age.
When they were coming up with their band, DAWs, Danny
and my partner, and Michael's band was kind of coming up,
so they all kind of knew each other. And I
don't really know them.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I don't know them either, and then you know, one's
married to Mandy Moore who we interviewed. Uh huh, they
just had a baby.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
But they made great music three they did there but
anybody well, no, they're more like Crosbie Steels Nash and
they're like a kind of fokish but rock folk and
uh and they're great, Like anybody who is listening should
just check them out because they really are like great.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
And they made it and Danny and Mike didn't.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Let's talk to them.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
Hi, Hi, going.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
We were just introing you and I was sort of
talking about how when Danny.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
She didn't make it and you guys did.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
The fuji Kawas. How I've always heard about you guys
through Michael and Danny. Yeah, and and that you guys
all sort of came up at the same time. And
Danny and and Allie was like so so so they
made it, and and and the Fujis did it.

Speaker 7 (04:59):
They made it in their own ways. I mean it's
you know, they're still playing music and yeah.

Speaker 8 (05:05):
Yeah, they were really well.

Speaker 6 (05:07):
I mean that was like back in the day where
I would go see bands I liked because life was
so different then. But but I was like, it's like, oh,
we got to go see the next year show.

Speaker 8 (05:17):
We were so many of the tunes.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, really, we were so happy. We were in the
we were in the desert and watching the Grammys. And
when you guys opened the Grammys, there was a lot
of like like joy coming from fujikawas pretty rad. How
was that for you?

Speaker 4 (05:38):
How did that come about? Yeah, what happened.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
It came about like ten days before. It was like
so crazy last minute, obviously because they were pivoting and
changing the nature of the whole show. But but yeah,
I mean, you know, we've never been nominated, we've never
been to the Grammys. It's just like we and we're
also like fifteen years or more than that and nine
records into being a band. So we thought if there
was ever going to be a time for that, it's
that's long gone. So for this to come about last minute,

(06:04):
like we'd like you not only to play, but to
open it is so surreal. And then and then we
got to put together that amazing band. I mean it
was it was an extremely emotional week. Yeah, for a
few weeks, but that was like, like that was a
real intense high.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
So you just got a call out of nowhere saying, hey,
where are you guys present.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
Our like like I have a call with the Grammys
folks at ten am. I'll call you afterwards. And and
we I think we kind of joked like yeah, maybe
they want us to play, and he's like, yeah, I
don't want to get our hopes up because you know,
they could have easily been like, hey, come play at
this fundraiser or put imagine your name to some lists
for I don't know, so when when it? Yeah, So

(06:49):
he got the call first and then texted us at
like ten forty am and was like I need.

Speaker 7 (06:53):
To speak to you both asaf Oh God, so were
you nervous?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
I always think like that would be. I don't know
if I get nervous anymore, but like I think the
Oscars and the Grammys singing would make me insane, Like
that would be it.

Speaker 7 (07:10):
Yeah, Like I feel like if I was presenting or
something that wasn't the thing I did every day and
the need to be nervous.

Speaker 8 (07:18):
But I mean there's definitely like there was nervous nervousness.

Speaker 7 (07:21):
Around you know, the spotlight, I guess, but but I
mean I would imagine you'll know how it is like
when you're when music start, Yeah, you like goes away.

Speaker 8 (07:33):
This is what I do, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Less unless you start on a wrong note and then
it can be disastrous.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
Yeah, and that So that sounds super hard. So it
gave us a lot to focus on. If it was
really easy, maybe we would have been a little more
easily distracted. But there were so many things to remember
that we didn't really have the capacity to to get
too nervous. Although the run through that morning, I got
really emotional because the like kind of seat fillers that
were there early to help run a show makes sense,

(08:00):
they got emotional listen to the song and that made
me emotional. I'm kind of it all was hitting me
and I was thinking, like, I can't cry later on
when we really do this thing, that would.

Speaker 8 (08:09):
That would have been great television.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, I mean, what do you mean you can't cry?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
You would have sold at least half a million records.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
The dress rehearsal too, they had all like the cardboard
cutouts with the names on it of who was sitting
at the tables. That was pretty eye opening because I
walked around and it's like, I mean, it's just that.

Speaker 8 (08:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, literally all of them table darker trays
for me. Yeah, crazy wild.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Did you did you see like a bump on your
streams and your and your downloads and all that after that?

Speaker 7 (08:44):
Yeah, I mean it's interesting to see how it'll manifest.
It's not I mean, I'm not really sure honestly on
streams and all that. But that's never been the biggest
like indication for our band as to how something's doing.
I mean, obviously, to an extent it is for everyone,
but I think what we're it kind of remains to

(09:08):
be seen because we haven't been on tour, and that's
always where we feel like something's translating.

Speaker 8 (09:14):
And we're gaining traction or not.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
I mean, there's been some like offers in for festivals,
just one off things throughout the year that have come
in post Grammys that and those offers can they kind
of feel like they reflect that moment and people are
excited to kind of get us there. So that's it's
just hard to say. There's there's definitely not for us
a correlation between like played the song now we're getting

(09:39):
a million streams to day, but that's never been right
the trajectory for us. It's always been one day and
it's like one fan at a time.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, And the music industry is just like so weird.
I have to say, Like I like entering into it
this last year, I felt like I knew through the
you know, you know what adjacent right, Like I was
music business adjacent and then actually being in it, it

(10:08):
was like, God, it's so hard. It's so expensive. Like
if you want a tour in any way that is
really great, and like, yeah, has any production value you
make You're just yeah, read.

Speaker 8 (10:24):
Money and it's it's it's it's a young person's game.

Speaker 7 (10:26):
I mean I think when we were young, I was son.

Speaker 8 (10:31):
Yeah, but like you yeah, you got.

Speaker 7 (10:34):
To be able to do that work of like I'm
up at you know, we're sleeping for four hours a
night and we're driving eight hours, playing for thirty minutes,
driving three hours, doing it again the next morning. Like
in There's it's certainly not comfortable. But when you're eighteen
or twenty one and all you don't want to do
is be on tour, it's like fantastic. It's just that
I think I.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Wasn't into that at twenty. I'm just gonna say it wasn't.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
What is it?

Speaker 7 (11:01):
I mean, I'm interested in your experience now that you're
you are like you, I know, I think almost everyone
in your band they're friends of mine.

Speaker 8 (11:09):
Oh cool, Yeah, But how like.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
It must be a trip to go to enter into
the business now like this far along in your life
to to to start touring, Like what what is that experience?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Is?

Speaker 8 (11:23):
Is it what you thought it would be?

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (11:26):
And no? You know, I like I I love it.
I love it, and like I wish I could do
it more consistently, but again it just costs too much money.
And but I I I think it's like my favorite.
It's where I'm happiest, you know, and even even in

(11:50):
even in like small weird gigs that I've done, that
sounded terrible. I still just love it. I just love
I love being with musicians and being together and getting weird.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
And it's like, as you get older, you get as
you get older, you get more responsible. So Kate is
obviously a mother of three and extremely responsible with her
finances and everything else. So I say, well, what is
the cost benefit analysis here? When you're eighteen nineteen twenty,
You're like, who gives a fucking Like, let's go, baby.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
We all are first tour, we all quit our jobs,
we gave up our house, we were all staying like
we rolled out of our house to the road like
we didn't know where we're going to live, and we
got back on tour. But back then you could afford
those risks. But you're absolutely right.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
I mean, you get to a point you're totally right.
But that's also what's hard about it to me is
that I just had a kid a few weeks ago,
and you know, and and I'm getting a taste of
thank you, it's been awesome, but I'm getting a taste
of like, you know, you got to do in twenty
minutes what you previously had all day to do or
whatever four hours to do. So my time has become

(12:56):
more valuable to me. And that's the thing that's tough
on tour because so like the music is so rewarding
and awesome, but you're waiting around in fucking Iowa for
you know, the other twenty two hours a day, and
so that that could be tough.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
Like how do I.

Speaker 7 (13:13):
Rationalize like just you know, not you're not wasting it,
but I'm gone, and it's like I literally can't do anything.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
But well, I mean, how is that? How is that?
How's that shifted?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
You know, sort of not just your perspective but even
physically how you're touring now, especially with you Taylor.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
You got kids, man, everyone's got kids, And yeah.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
It's funny. How like when we started, it was like,
like Griff said, like I remember there was a south
By Southwest where I found a like a little tiny
square pillow so small it's a little tiny pillow and
I and then the someone's linoleum floor in their kitchen
and I slept there. I don't even think I had
a blanket, and I don't know whose house it was.
And I'm not even out like a particularly like raging guy.

(13:57):
But it's just that was fine back then. And then
we got up and played a bunch of shows, and
now with tour, I can't have a sip of alcohol
or it just messes up. It drives me out. I
can't talk. I we Griffin and I have the first
thing when we wake up, we're like, hey, tour manager,
have you found out if there's like a local gym
or does the hotel have something? And so like when
we get hold people are like, so, what was it

(14:19):
like I was being in like buildings Montana. It's like, well,
my experience is pretty limited to like gym and the venue,
and I didn't talk or buy anything or do anything right.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
They're like, it was horrible. They did not have a
press juicery.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Awful.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
It used to be like where's the cocaine and now
the vitamin C.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
They have someone where they I can get a push.

Speaker 6 (14:42):
Yeah, I think it is a factor as to why
we've been able to do it this whole time. I
think like we we had a lot of those friends.
We had some of the band members in fact, way
back in the day who who would would really cut
loose and we were down. It was there was never judgment,
it was just that was not what we took to

(15:04):
naturally and so all these bands that we toured with
that we're partying really hard, like they're not all in
the game necessarily anymore, and like cheese. But yeah, I
feel like it's just how we were. We even got luck.

(15:24):
He wasn't a choice we were making. It's just how
we It's who we were.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
We used to be able to like kind of invest
you know, like go to Europe because it makes sense
in the long term to invest time here in the
hopes that we'll eventually have traction and open ourselves up
to this bigger market. And nowadays, just because we've been
around so long, the math changes just feels like what
are we investing in? We never get really there in

(15:48):
a way that makes sense. Does it make sense for
us to go again? And given that we're going to
be away from our families, and like I said, at time,
is just more valuable.

Speaker 8 (15:56):
See, I mean, things.

Speaker 7 (15:58):
Change in a lot of ways, I think, and the
economics of it being so fickle, you know, industry wide
at large, has made everyone's experience pretty everyone volatile.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
And it's everywhere, like from artists that you would never
think like would have that issue, do have the issue?
You know, the biggest artists in the world are hard time.

Speaker 6 (16:23):
Something I took solid in though, one thing that, like,
I feel like, was nice to hear and probably nice
for all of us to hear. I was graping about
the same thing to my dad who's currently living with
us and he's seventy eight, and I was like, Dad,
this is my industry, because he was talking about my
four year old who is like, he's obsessed with keep
on Rocking in the Free World and he just wants

(16:44):
to sing all the time. And my dad's like, oh,
he's going to do it too, and I was like,
I hope he does. But also our business is atrophying.
I don't know how possible. And he's like, we said
the same thing in like the mid sixties. Yeah, that's
nice to hear it.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I want to get into your into your life, and
go back into your childhood a little bit. But first
I want to ask this question. You know, at what
point does art become commrace? You know, at what point
does it become a business for you? Because it's like,
oh shit, like I have kids, I'm an adult, I
need to support a family.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
You know, this is no longer always.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Just about you know, of course, it's fun to be
on stage, but when does when does it become a
mean survival business of survival?

Speaker 3 (17:35):
It just depends on everybody's Every artist has a different circumstance.

Speaker 8 (17:39):
I mean, yeah, that's them.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
I know you're fine. I know you're gonna be fine.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
But yeah, you asked it like it was one there's
one answer.

Speaker 8 (17:49):
I mean, it's obviously specific to everyone.

Speaker 7 (17:52):
To me, it was like when I started owning things
and you know, kind of naively stepped into I'm going
to buy a house as a kid essentially and like
get just essentially like gathering bills that I need to
pay every month, and then there becomes to me this
idea of like, oh, I have to say yes, Like
there's a bottom line, same way everybody has a bottom line.

(18:14):
But I think at some point I learned that I
had to delineate when we were making.

Speaker 8 (18:21):
Art, and.

Speaker 7 (18:23):
That for me doesn't feel like a challenge generally, certainly
not in the studio where it's like okay, now we're
sitting down to make art and I'm not thinking about
it in terms of like how do we write some hit.
I think that's in a way the fact that we've
never been in that band or never had that experience
has been a blessing. Obviously, to be on top of
make millions of dollars quickly sounds great, but the expectations

(18:47):
that follow are so crippling to so many artists. And
the fact that we've never been in this situation of
like how do we follow this up?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
You know?

Speaker 8 (18:56):
Has Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
I guess maybe helped me to never have to think
about art when I'm in it, when I'm sitting in
the chair in this way of how do we make
this thing this commodity? You know, it's more like, let's
just do what we do, because that seems to be
what at least in our case, people are responding to.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
You know, you guys are La born and raised. Where
did you grow up high?

Speaker 6 (19:21):
Yeah, well it was like Canyon Country first, and then
we went to Glendale. That's where I went to elementary
school and Griffin did to elementary school there where I
was born in ye was born. And then we went
to Malabu for high school. And then once we both
turned eighteen, like I was gone when I turned eighteen
pretty much, and then Griffin was gone when he turned eighteen,

(19:44):
and then we've just been floating around ever since. I
think there was times in our lives where we thought, like,
are we going to have like a New York chapter
Nashville chapter, and maybe that'll still happen. But as the
kids get older and like as our yeah, as the
families get as families get older on every generation, it's
just like we feel like we all got to stay close.
And so it's now at this point it feels hard

(20:05):
to imagine not ever living in.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
La Did you go to Malibu? Did you go to Malibuhi?
For all of high school?

Speaker 8 (20:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (20:12):
What year?

Speaker 3 (20:13):
How old are you?

Speaker 6 (20:14):
Two thousand and three? I'm thirty nine?

Speaker 3 (20:16):
So you went with our with Zach my brother, Zach Hudson,
wasn't he which you know what, he's thirty eight, he's
about to be thirty nine.

Speaker 6 (20:29):
You must have been the Yeah, Blake Mills is great
with Blake.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
I think he was in the same grade as Blake.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
And Emily is a musician.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Emily Hudson.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Did Emily go to Malibu?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Emily was as older Emily half siblings, these are half
they all went to malb They went to mal.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
But interesting I remember back because I went to Crossroads
and Malibu High ninety ninety four, very fancy.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
I got expelled.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
I got expelled just so I would try to be
not as fancies.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
I was like, kick out of here.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
But I remember Malibu High, Dude. I was friends with
all the Malibu kids. But it was like rough and tumble.
It's funny, like fighting all the time, fucking drugs.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Someone would die every other week in Malibu.

Speaker 7 (21:16):
Like mean, yeah, well we'd be like expectively living on
a freeway on PCH. It's funny because family Malibu, you know,
for good reason. People are like, oh, that's it must
be the nicest school ever, and it's like, yeah, I
think you know, to my fifteen year old brain, I'm
not thinking about that. But it's still it's still plagued
with all the problems any high school would be.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
For a lot of the reason why we went was
like I didn't know this until recently. Now that I'm
talking about schools all the goddamn time.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
You're entering a whole fucking new world of insanity.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
Yeah. Our mom was like, we went to we moved
to Malibu because the amount that we were going to
save just by you guys going to a public school.
Because it was like a highly rated one versus what
we felt like we needed to do in a different
part of la like, which would have been in private school.
She's like, we actually saved money by moving to Malibu,
which not a lot of people would have thought.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, wait, you said you went to Canyon.

Speaker 8 (22:11):
Before. I was worried.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Where is that?

Speaker 8 (22:14):
It's like close to Magic Mountain.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Okay, so it's on the other side of it now, Okay.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
Got it.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
What did your parents? What do your parents do?

Speaker 6 (22:22):
Our mom was a like vice president of a homeowner's
insurance company. She was a but a real badass, like
started a company with six people and like stuck it
out the whole time and really crushed it. And then
our dad was a and he would be the first
person to say it, but he was just kind of
like a no good like musician that had all the talents.
He was so he was so good like when our

(22:44):
mom met him, he was I was. I remember asking
him because he was in a school bus with all
of his bandmates and they had a thing. If I
remember correctly, it was like a weekly gig in Portland,
a weekly getting gig in SF, and then like a
weekly gigs maybe Seattle or somewhere else. Up in the
Pacific Northwest, and I was like, what was your long
term play?

Speaker 7 (23:00):
Dad?

Speaker 6 (23:00):
You were like when you met you must have been
like thirty six, Like were you looking to make another record?
Were you trying to start another band? Like what was
going on?

Speaker 8 (23:07):
Kids?

Speaker 6 (23:07):
When he was like like, I don't think you realized,
Like I was a piece of shit, Like I had
no plans, and your mom showed up and just was like,
you're going to get it together now and we're going
to do that. Send them she saved my life and
and so like he was still always a musician, but
he got into other things as the years went on,
and he was in real estate for a while. But yeah,

(23:28):
it's like the stories I hear about who our dad
was before we knew him versus the dad that we
had raising us is just so hard to.

Speaker 7 (23:38):
Yeah, we have some older half siblings and our oldest
brother is almost fixty and he said to me, so
he my dad, our dad had him when he was
like eighteen. And I think once Jeff, our brother was eighteen,
our dad was thirty six. And so my brother Jeff
has always said to us, like, you know, one day,
maybe when you're when our parents are gone, I'm gonna

(24:01):
tell you some ship that's gonna like your mind.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
I can't wait.

Speaker 8 (24:09):
I can't wait.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
We'll come, we'll come. We'll come to our part too
with you guys.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Doesn't that make you so curious? Like, dude, just tell
me you like it already.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
They've already told you. They already told how hard they parted.
So it's hard.

Speaker 7 (24:25):
Yeah, we have some stories. I think him and Jeff
were living together, like above the Pinks.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
In mid City.

Speaker 7 (24:33):
Yeah, and when Jeff was like eighteen, I was thirty six,
and I think that was when maybe there was some
like pretty wild ship happening.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Above Pink You mean Pink's talk like the talk hot talk.

Speaker 7 (24:46):
Oh my, really, yeah, I mean different times like our
dad would tell stories like yeah I would, I really,
I like knew I would eat cabbage every night. I
would make cabbage too because it was only a dollar.
And what is happening?

Speaker 2 (25:04):
I mean, obviously there's there's nature nurture, there's DNA, but
you guys are followed sort of in his path. I guess, right,
I mean, was that Obviously it's not a conscious choice.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
But you're definitely not doing insurance.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Right, there's a reference there, right, where it's like.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
Actually one story that's actually pretty it's like a pretty
cool tid. That fun fact is his band they were
called sweat Hog and they toured They opened torch. Supposedly,
I've never seen the merch. I wish I could find
a I've looked at. Supposedly it was a white teacher
that just said sweat Hog on the front and then
yellow pit stains that were like printed into the.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
I like that merch.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
They opened for Sabbath every time they toured domestically, from
like their second record or their fourth record. But then
I remember asking Cameron Crow this because in Almost Famous,
there's a scene where that kid says like, oh hey,
Frosty and that was our dad's drummer, and that was
a black Sabbath show, like fictitiously that that still Water
was opening for And I was so I remember asking Cameron, like,

(26:12):
did you know our dad's band sweat Hogs, Like, yeah,
that's why I wrote that in there, Like so was.

Speaker 7 (26:19):
That Chrosty was his best best friend from when he
was when they grew up together, and he was my
first drum teacher in a small world.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Oh my god, crazy, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Now, when did you know, like was music just always
like you were just always playing music? Like did were
you the kinds of kids were like they put you
in music lessons.

Speaker 6 (26:39):
It was never like a choice. It was like, yeah,
my mom told me today that I was like because
where we were kind of marveling at like our kids
just their memories for these songs and what the kind
of songs I was asking for it? And my mom
said it today, was like you were the same way.
Like when you were three. We were listening to a
song that I had heard a thousand times and and
you were in the back, and all of a sudden
you just say, like, mom, filled drums on this song.

(27:01):
And when I listened close, it's like, oh yeah, he's right,
there's no drums and I would have three you all
be hearing that. So and then our dad was singing
harmonies with us and stuff.

Speaker 8 (27:09):
So yeah, well, you.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
Know when all those little things you fill out as
a five year old or four year old, like what
are you gonna be when you grow up? It was
like I'm already a singer. That's what I do.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
Yeah, I joke that, like with Steely Dan, I like
I don't have like what people ask me my favorite
band is I'm like, I don't it's it's Steely Dan,
But I don't feel like I ever made a choice.
It's I feel like it's pvlo Van that when that
music was played so much when we were kids, that
when it comes on my money, I'm like, yep, it's
the best thing ever.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
My six year old her favorite. She loves dirty work.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
Oh yeah, that was.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
And like when she asks for it around people, they're
like whoa, And I'm like, I feel so proud.

Speaker 7 (27:47):
I'm like, yeah, my little baby, he's whenever he gets bussy,
you know, we're playing some different music to see how
he respond. And maybe it's early to say this, but
every time we put the dead on yeah chilling.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Well, when I was pregnant, Rider, I named him because
we Chris was covering I Know You Writer, and every
time he'd play it, he'd go he'd Rider was super
laid back in my belly, like he was like I
had to go to the doctor multiple times because I

(28:23):
just thought something was wrong. But every time Chris would
play that, he'd start to move. And I made a joke, well,
I guess we'll call him Rider, And then I was like, interesting, I.

Speaker 7 (28:37):
Have a weird kind of similar thing with we were
talking about at some point on the lineup and a
second kid and I the song I would say, we
played a lot with Phil Lesh before he passed. And
the song I would sing is Cassidy And we've always
liked that name.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, my chief of staff's god daughter's name is Cassidy.
Parents are like the biggest deadheads of all times.

Speaker 7 (29:04):
It was a song about it was about like one
of the texts kids in the band, right, one of
the grape texts.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, but I'm going to go back. Can I go
back for a second?

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Did you say your chief of staff?

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Did you just say.

Speaker 8 (29:17):
That, yeah, you're running for office.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
I don't understand what's going on, the chief of staff,
I know, But since when are we calling this that?

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Because because at some point we decided this year in
twenty twenty five that we would give real titles.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Chief of staff.

Speaker 6 (29:36):
I need to get I don't know, to just apply
to politics.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
I know, it's like, what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 2 (29:44):
We should as she said it so nonchalant, she goes, yeah,
it's crazy, my chief of staff.

Speaker 6 (29:50):
We should just know from now we should start calling
all of our tour managers are chief off.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Hey, real quick? Is it how Steely Dan got the name?

Speaker 6 (30:10):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Is that a true story?

Speaker 8 (30:12):
Double from Yeah.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
Lunch?

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah, from Naked Lunch.

Speaker 8 (30:18):
Yeah, it's in there. I can confirm it. I've read it.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
The first time I heard Steely Dan, I was fifteen
years old, fourteen, and I was going to Dave Matthews
was opening for Fish at the Santa Monica Civic Center
and I was going to the show. But I had
never heard Fish. It was my friends were big like
fish heads. I knew Dave, I liked it. I knew

(30:41):
Dave Matthews, but I didn't know you know. Anyway, Kurt.
I was listening to a CD of Fish, and Kurt
was like, oh no, no, He's like, you got to
you got to hear the real this, this is where
this comes from. And he and he played me Steely
Dan for the first time. I thought that was so cute.

Speaker 8 (30:58):
It was like interesting that I would make the connection
with the dead.

Speaker 7 (31:02):
I mean, I've always thought it's funny the dead, Like
I don't I love the Grateful Dead.

Speaker 8 (31:07):
I'm not a Jam fan.

Speaker 7 (31:10):
It's so like I'm to me, I'm like, obviously it
personifies and defines Jam.

Speaker 8 (31:16):
Music.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
But yeah, outside of that, that's it.

Speaker 8 (31:18):
It begins and ends with them for me.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Have you have you gotten into Goose at all?

Speaker 6 (31:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (31:24):
There are good are good friends. We're going to play
there festival, and man.

Speaker 6 (31:29):
I should like give Griffin the contextualized what Griffin's saying,
because we jam in our band, we jam with Goose
like whenever we're in the same world as them, like
we whenever we do that thing with them, like there's
we sat in with them last time we saw him
in Buffalo, New York, and that I come up for
two songs and all the rest of the guys had
to wait for us. Okay, it was literally forty five

(31:51):
minutes before we got off stage and Griffin and I
were like, hi from it. It's so intoxicating, it's so
amazing to do it. And it was the same with
philm like like Griffin would like reach like the stratospheres
with with with jamming. But I guess, like I think
you're speaking more is just like a listener. It's not yeah,
like non is not what he wants to hear, but

(32:12):
he definitely what he wants to play.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
If I have that right, I mean, unless you're like,
unless there you have like certain bootlegs where it goes
on for like fifteen minutes and it blows your mind.

Speaker 8 (32:22):
Yeah, I mean, I mean no doubt.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
I mean, I mean, I guess some people consider Alman
Brothers a jam band, so I shouldn't. Yeah, I love
them deeply, I don't consider them a jam bam, but
that is to stay I'm not like Anti.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
I love I'm I'm love Goose right, But it feels
like that era the jam band was like a lot
of there's a lot of drugs that were floating around then.
So the jam when you are, you know, on psilocybin
or you're on acid or even superblaze, you can just
you know, immerse yourself in the music so much. It's

(32:54):
telling you stories and becoming something.

Speaker 7 (32:56):
Yeah, I mean there's anyone so totally any of you
guys like done psychedelics. It's definitely like pretty crazy to
hear music that was conceived on psychedelics, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Get I get these like sometimes he's like midnight to
like one am text from my brother and they're always
like random songs and I'm like, oh Ollie is so
high right now? Yeah, well like random, But.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
It's the weird musicians on Instagram doing cool crazy.

Speaker 7 (33:28):
Yeah, I want to see this.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Some of them.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Some of them she's like, that's amazing, and other ones
she's like, what the.

Speaker 8 (33:38):
F like that stuff on my feed that comes up?
That's mind boggling.

Speaker 7 (33:44):
I'm like, I I find myself watching it in awe,
and I'm I'm never like, I'm not always like WHOA Musically,
this is blowing my mind, Like sometimes it feels like
that was music I was hearing in an elevator about
a video. I'd be like, I don't I wouldn't think
twice about because seeing some of this, it's like a
different exactly.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
And the characters who are playing the music are half
the battle.

Speaker 8 (34:06):
You've seen, yeah, totally and Instagram is.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Built for that.

Speaker 7 (34:10):
But you've seen this guy that taps and plays I
think he's massively famous, like a European kid guitar and
shred crazy machine or something.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
I've seen that kid. He's nuts.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Have you seen have you seen the drummer who does
like performance art drumming with like one drum stare?

Speaker 8 (34:31):
Yes, I love him.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
It's my favorite thing ever.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
So many and then there's like a weird, groovy guys
who were playing what's the instrument that's like that that
you know, there's no actual instruments going.

Speaker 7 (34:49):
Yes, And then there's one guy like is a guy
named he's pretty famous musician named Nate Wood who plays keys, bass,
and drum all at the same time, these drums with
one hand and it's like crazy insane like blast beat, shredding.

Speaker 8 (35:07):
Nay, I can do it.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I just feel like that wouldn't give me a joy,
it would give me excited.

Speaker 8 (35:14):
Yeah, well that's the thing. Also, it was like that,
if you're not watching that, what is it? You know?

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Like all right, so how did you guys know what
you were drawn to? Like in terms of instrument? Did
it come pretty? Was it like straightforward?

Speaker 6 (35:32):
I think it was like, you know, like the circumstances
under which we grew up. Like at first I was
learning some guitar and learning piano at the same time.
But then I met Blake Mills and we met at
like eleven or twelve years old, and then it was like, oh,
we're going to be in bands forever together. And he
was such a phenomenal guitar player. When I met him,

(35:54):
he was playing all the Van Halen songs already and
just was like some freak.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
And also for people who don't, I don't know who
Blake Mills is. Blake Mills as a songwriter and actually
and a producer. Now, he did a lot of the
music for Daisy Jones on the same but he writes
a lot with many different artists.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
Now yeah, yeah, he's always producing new records and stuff.
And he's a great guitarist, so he plays on all
the records he produces, and so yeah. Then but then
when we split up, So anyway, during that time, I
became more of a keyboardist, and so I was like,
I guess I'm a keyboard player because I'm with Blake.
And then when Blake left and was like I'm going
to stay home and produce and I'm not going to tour,
then I was like, okay, I'm going to try to
get better guitar. And I think it was similar with

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Griff It was like clearly the missing piece, like we
had Blake and me and Wiley, and our drummer was
this guy Stewart who was famly we love him so much,
but he was a little older and he kind of
knew like I'm not going to be able to run
with these guys. For as long as they're going to
want to go. And so I think we all kind
of sensed it, and I think that kind of contributed
to Griffin drifting towards the drum along with it just
coming very naturally.

Speaker 8 (36:54):
That's true. I was feeling a boy, but it was
also just physically that was the thing.

Speaker 6 (36:58):
Like I was.

Speaker 7 (36:58):
I think piano first had really great independence, Like I
could do I could say, like Charlie Brown theme or whatever,
I separate my left hand.

Speaker 8 (37:05):
From my right end, but I couldn't really improvise or stretch.

Speaker 7 (37:09):
And then so part of it was just like I
started playing drums, I was like this, this instrument just
makes more sense to me.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
And growing up, you know, were you guys close as kids.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
We got along. But it's like, my it's funny because
raising kids all I do, like all days. Compare it
to my experience with griffins. And and now I have
three and the oldest one just turned four, so he
wasn't four when the youngest one was born. So they're
all gonna be they're all pretty close in age and
oh my god. Yeah, and so the two boys, the

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two older ones are boys, and then the youngest one
is a girl, and the two boys are just on
the top of each other and wrestling and playing, and
they're getting to a point now where they can share
their toys and like they're having a great time. But
I was thinking, like I was five when Griffin was born,
and so like it was just I'm sure I was
more helpful with my parents. I hope I was, but
we it wasn't like we were playing. And then you know,

(38:05):
by the time he's three and I'm eight, or he's
eight and I'm thirteen, it's just thing ever really until
he was about sixteen or so, and then it's like, oh,
now we're kind of pretty much living the same life.
So we were. We weren't as close. I mean we weren't.
We didn't hate each other. It was a couple of
normal blowouts, but probably far less than was normal.

Speaker 7 (38:24):
I think that's partly part because of that. I think
that that was like the upside to having distances. We're
not in competition for the same girls, or we're not
like beefing because we're not in the same.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
You're almost so far apart that Griffin even looking up
to your older brother. It's there, but it's not this
sort of I need your attention so much totally.

Speaker 7 (38:44):
It was more like, WHOA, that's so cool, Like this
guy's going on tour and I love.

Speaker 8 (38:48):
The music he likes because he's showing it to me.
Like definitely, there were some.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
Yeah, yeah, some some of that that also, like be
I was sou likely Taylor and Blake was a huge
part of I like to at that point.

Speaker 8 (39:01):
Had such great taste.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
That I and our dad that, like I, I was
so impressionable at thirteen fifteen when they were kind of
discovering music that I was also taking in by osmosis
or whatever, and they so I guess I'm what I'm
trying to say is that could have been bad if
it had been, you know, anything other than what it was,

(39:26):
which was was Costello, Peter Gabriel.

Speaker 8 (39:29):
You know, David Bowie.

Speaker 7 (39:30):
Like I think at that point they were past the
third eye blind you know, portion of our of our childhood.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
But we digested it for you.

Speaker 7 (39:40):
Yeah, I mean I was at one point, but when
we started our band, we were so eye to eye
on the aesthetic musically because because of that, because I
had been essentially seeing what he liked and then loving
it because he loved it and so we've always come
from be able to come from the same I.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Think that's interesting because you guys are far enough a
part where you don't have that like typical brother complication
of like being in a band. Would you say, Taylor though,
that's because you like because you're older, Like, does do
you do you kind of like? Do you like it?
Does it feel like you guys hold the same position

(40:21):
as you do as siblings, like Taylor? You you no?

Speaker 6 (40:25):
I think do you.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Think it's like is it horizontal or is it vertical?
You know what I mean? Your relationship.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
I would guess if I'm understanding your analogy right, I would.
I would. I think it's it's like vertical. I think,
like we I don't consider myself and I'm curious what
Griff has to say too, But I don't consider myself
Griffin's older brother, and I don't. And I also don't
appreciate when I'm in that position to like play the
role like there were times this hasn't happened for years,
but back in the day when we were younger, and

(40:52):
it's like we're pulling into some town and it's time
to wake up early for a radio gig, and like
someone has to go wake up, And I remember tour
managers being like, go get Griff, like it's nine thirty am.
We got to wake up and go to the radio station,
and it's like I'm actually the last person on the bus.
Griffin's is a really sweet dude, but it's like I
don't think it should be his older brother, like hey,

(41:14):
get up, because there's just so much immediately like like
that's a problemat There's so many layers to that. Whereas
it's a tour manager being like, hey, it's time to go,
then it's like, oh, yeah, it's my job. But otherwise,
like it's my fucking brother waking me up.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
That's smart though, I mean I don't think most would
even think that far, and.

Speaker 6 (41:31):
Not that he would ever buy my head off or anything,
but it's just like I just don't ever want to
like get into that role of like, oh there's baggage here,
or there's just there's just a mentions here, or that
I just want to avoid.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
How do you guys deal with opposition, you know, creatively
where that is where you might butt heads or do
you or you guys pretty much think.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
I mean, no, you know, everybody disagrees at some point,
I just think that I think it's more of just
a human characteristic that Taylor has and that maybe I
share to an extent, rather than you know, the brotherly
bond you know that allows us to just communicate.

Speaker 8 (42:20):
To me.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
It's like I always and I mean this I think
is developed over time in my own life. But I
like to disagree in the sense that it can be
really constructive. Like I don't find a lot of value
in just being in a room where everyone's like, yes, yes,

(42:41):
that's great, your genius, Yes, let's just keep going.

Speaker 8 (42:43):
That's awesome.

Speaker 7 (42:44):
Like I mean, obviously, if it's working, it's working. But
I feel like finding that objectivity and being able to
know if it's working comes from challenging assumptions, challenging you know,
what I like, and knowing that what I like is
just that it's just what I like.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
I wonder if this is like a generational thing, because
I find that like the bands of the nineties are
a little bit before like it was sort of like
the early Brothers are really good together, but like the Ninth,
like the eighties, nine, the seventies, eighties, nineties Brothers are
all notoriously problematic.

Speaker 7 (43:21):
You know, yeah, I think it's I think it's it's
the division of like tasks too. I don't write songs
and so and he writes all of them. I think
that's a big part of it.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
Like Liam didn't write, either write, and they still found
a way to. Oh he didn't hate each other. I'm wrong.
But I.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Was on tour with them for a whole summer. Oh wow,
it was so fun. But they were great. It was
so fun. We had so much fun.

Speaker 8 (43:51):
Friend that's playing with them, and.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
I can't wait to go see them.

Speaker 8 (43:55):
I've heard it's like, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
I think this is the question, but like do they
each other or it's just a brilliant like way to.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
No there, It's it's hard. Their relationship is hard.

Speaker 6 (44:09):
You guys know Alex Greenwald Fantom Planet know him and
him tight.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I know of him. I just don't know him.

Speaker 6 (44:18):
But he was he shared this thing on on social media,
so I'm not like talking at a turn or anything,
but he was saying that he was at a party
once and Oasis was his favorite brand as a kid,
and he was at a party at a mutual friend's
house where they were there. The brothers were there and
he just went up to be like, hey, I just
want to let you know I'm such a big fan
and and they both like, oh, yeah, we know your band,
like because he's in the band Fan of Planet. And

(44:39):
they were like, do you want to hear some of
our new songs? And he's like sure. So they to
the bathroom with an acoustic guitar, just the three of them,
I think it was the three of them, and they
were and Noel started singing and Liam kept cheering it on,
like playing that other new one, playing that other new one,
and like and and Liam would sing it, and Noel
was like, my brother's the best fucking songwriter. They were

(45:03):
so proud of each other. And then and then it
was like a couple of years later that it all
blew up. But and then how good they are and
insulting each other publicly. It just felt like understand someone
you're related to, but it's also like this is so
good and compelling each other.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
They're so different, you know, just their energies like everything,
they're just so different. And so I feel like it's
the same thing with Chris and Rich you know from
my ex husband, Like they're so different, Like if you're
gonna be living with each other and constantly dealing with
each other's stuff, and you know, you've got to sort

(45:46):
of very like very sort of explosive personalities. And I
mean that in like a positive way, like fun outgoing wild.
You're gonna at some point and then and Noel's kind
of shy and laid back. I can you know. I
mean you're gonna butt heads. Yeah, You're gonna drive each
other nuts.

Speaker 7 (46:07):
Yeah. I think again, it comes back to what I'm
saying about for us, at least, just being able to know,
like we can disagree, let's just not do it in
bad faith. Let's not like it's insult each other. It's
more like, if we're going to disagree, let's just do
it knowing that we love each other.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
And there's no.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Sure it sounds like you have good parents.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
You know, we both care a lot about what we do,
and so like there's of course that fear that I'm
sure we both share when we're working on a song
in a studio and it's not going the way one
of us wants it to, and it's like, oh, but
it's so precious and it's so you know, you guys
know how this is like it's it's when you're recording
a song. You can lose it if you don't catch it.
When when the when, the when, the moment is like

(46:47):
presenting itself. And so when it's in that like that
inspirational zone, I'm sure we're both kind of like like,
oh my god, oh my god, it's happening. Let's make
sure we get a little bit not in like, like
I've said, never insulting, but definitely like are we're both
like our voices are raised because we both we both

(47:09):
just care a lot. And like I said, as long
as we could be mindful of like we have the
same objective and there is a way even in those
those those intense moments that feel like they are only
these brief windows, there is a way to see through
everybody's visions. And as long as we can do that,
it works out.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
What's interesting about that, yeah, compromise. What's interesting is you're
not dealing with.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Business, You're not dealing with a logical, potentially logical right answer.
You're dealing with art and creativity. And when you have
that kind of passion around it and there's differing opinions,
it's kind of hard that that compromise can get a
little bit difficult because there is no there is no
logical right answer for it. It's like, this is what
I feel is fucking the way it should be, and

(47:55):
then Griffin is like, fuck you, no, this is how.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
It should be.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Yeah, So it's like, how do you come to that compromise?

Speaker 7 (48:01):
I mean, yeah, it's knowing that I personally, it's it's
having a lot of outlets. It's it's knowing like I am,
it's not just my land. I'm not going to make
you know. It's not going to end up necessarily to
be the thing that I envision it to be because
there's simple people involved, and like we all need to

(48:24):
figure this out together, and usually, if not always, it's
a lot better than I could admit it because we.

Speaker 8 (48:29):
Were tapping into the strengths of others. But yeah, I
mean I think that what you're talking.

Speaker 7 (48:35):
About is a really delicate balance and that that is
the that is the hardest part, as I see it,
of a good producer is like knowing how to be
very delicate and and and navigate these relationships well, I mean,
because you know, you could have all the goods, but

(48:56):
as soon as you I mean, I always stress this
to people like, you know, to the one person that's
cared to ask that. I think like every single element
in the studio will change the vibe and and will
make its way into the art that's being created.

Speaker 8 (49:15):
And so it's you just can't.

Speaker 7 (49:17):
Be careful enough about you know, what you're saying between
you know, takes or anything like the que mix, just
the vibe, the assistant assistance, assistants, assistant that walked in,
and it's like, you know, like all of it is
playing into the thing, which is why we've always kind

(49:37):
of kept things really tight when we record and kind
of like insular and now more than ever because there's.

Speaker 8 (49:42):
Just the two of us. But yeah, I mean it's
is it just when you have it, you want to
protect it, you.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Know, So do you play with now? Because it used
to be what was Wiley and and then now Wiley
is like making things.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
Yeah, Wiley's making up and then I for the studio,
we just kind of do the bulk of it. I
played bass on most of the last record, and I'll
maybe I'll do a version of something like that in
the next one, or maybe we'll hire someone. I mean,
we really have no rules. And then same with keys
I played all the keyboards on it, and then and
then when we tour, we hire that out and that's
been fun. I mean initially it was like, oh shit,

(50:24):
like Wiley was our boy from like fifteen years. He
was fifteen and I was seventeen or eighteen when we met,
and it's just so. I mean, if like, I have
other half brothers and I love them very much, but
Wiley is like he's like his family, like Grippin and Wiley.
I feel like I know better than just about anybody
except like White.

Speaker 7 (50:44):
I heard somebody put this funt well, I thought when
when I was talking to them about White leading the band,
because it's so because he's our best friend, and so
you want what's best for your best friend. They said,
it's like your White telling you she's leaving you because
she's a Levian.

Speaker 8 (51:02):
And like, on one hand, you're like, oh my god.

Speaker 7 (51:04):
I'm devastated because I love this relationship and everything. But
on the other hand, you're like, I'm so glad that
you now know that what makes you happy and then
embrace it, you know. Like it was kind of like
that where it's like, dude, I love you and I
just want you to do whatever is going to make
you happy, and it has and I think it's been
the best for him.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Before we wrap up, I just want to say, like,
I know you guys went through with the fires, like
has that you know? Taylor, I don't know, how are you?
Have you been talking about this a lot? Yeah, comfortable,
But Taylor, you you I know you lost. I was
actually talking to somebody who knows you, not that long ago,
who was talking about your situation, which is actually really

(51:45):
interesting because you didn't lose your main house. What you lost.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
Your main house is standing. The studio's gone, the garage
with like an apartment built above it is gone, and
a lot of the landscaping is is towards And it's
weird because when when I first walk back, like the
next few days, is like, our house is standing. It's
so amazing, but it's it's kind of like the thing
I keep mentioning. It's kind of like like seeing the

(52:09):
bottom of the Titanic where where everyone left their plates
and toys and stuff, like you can never have it
back because the smoke damage is so extreme that we
have their mediation contractors are like, you're probably gonna lose
almost all your furniture, your rugs and clothes. So like,
I'm not going to pretend like we're not lucky to

(52:31):
have our main house standing. We're going to live there again,
and that's amazing. But but it is like going to
be a different place when we have an event, and
that's so surreal. And it's also like and again, these
are roads I'm happy to go down. But it's even
our insure insurance like adjuster, he's like, just so you know,
it's way more complicated with people with only partial burns,

(52:52):
and so like every single thing they're they're they've been
amazing to us, but everything single thing is like, oh,
we need we need to get accounting for this, for that,
and we got to have a conversation about this, and
we got to look into this contractor whereas you know,
people that lost their house, like here's what you're entitled to.
And obviously too, but.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Of course, I mean when I saw when it all
happened in the Palisades and eating where you guys were
and all that, you know, they would show the landscape
and there's like one house in the middle, in the
midst of all, and I said to me that, I said,
the only thing worse than than your house burning down
is to be the one that didn't.

Speaker 7 (53:28):
Yeah, you know, like you know, you you might have
a house, but you no longer have a neighborhood. Yeah,
it's going to change, but yeah, what are you going
to do? You don't have the options. My house is
totally gone, and it sucks. But it's also like I
can make decisions to either I can make a decision
not to go back to move elsewhere, you know, like

(53:50):
I have decisions to make based on you know, what
insurance comes out with and all that. And you know,
when your house is partially there, such as tailors, like
you can't really you just have fewer options here because
I'm in.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
The I'm in the Palisades and I'm just now going
finishing the remediation and through all of that. But then
you know, you're talking to experts about air quality. Yeah,
I talked to the guy, the Hey guy who's leading

(54:33):
that a wonderful wonderful like researcher Harvard Research, go back,
you know, he he did, but he said, you just
have to make sure you have like really like the
proper things in your house that are you know, the
proper filters and air purifiers and water and all this stuff,
so I have I have a lot more to do.

(54:55):
And the truth is is that it's really if I
could stay away, if you can stay away for the
cleaning process, that's a better thing to do, which is
I don't know what it's like in Altadna, but for
us it's about nine months to a year, so I think,
you know, we'll be gone most of the summer. We're
going to not spend too much time. But like, like

(55:17):
I said, like it's a weird thing because our neighborhood's gone,
so is.

Speaker 8 (55:23):
Like totally gone.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
It's gone.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Wow, like Palisades, well the Palasa, it's proper.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
It is gone.

Speaker 7 (55:32):
Our childhood house burned down that night as well, just
so strippy. My parents didn't know it anymore in their
house in Altadina burned down, but really wild, just such
an extreme event, so total.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
You know, we left, we when we couldn't come home.
Danny and I all we did was write music. Did
you find that you're writing change or that that was
something you lean towards or was it not.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
Like that for you? I I mean it's like our
youngest was two months old when the fire happened, so
like it's just been we're just in it right now.
I mean there I've had I've been taking down notes
and I feel like, yeah, I feel like I'm I'm
it's welling up. I know that songs are gonna come,

(56:20):
but it's just been it's just been like it's just
right now, it's just sort of been I guess, just
taking it all in. I do look forward to that though,
and I know it's coming.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah, I think you're gonna it's it'll it's gonna be
like it'll come out of you, like much more prolifically
than you you probably could think of.

Speaker 6 (56:39):
I'm sure, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm That's what I'm
hoping for. I mean, I I not that, not that
I you know, none of us wish for this, but
it's like at least like like I can dig deep
and and and I think it also helped me. I
think my tendency has been to go into just like
like my therapist told me an interesting thing, and he said,
how with with experiences like this, women have better access

(57:01):
to their to their emotional reaction to the experience, where
men tend to go either into like a depressed, depressive
state where they're closed off and like they're just not
feeling anything or like a mister fix it mode and
and like and like it, and he's like and all
of it's essential. It's not like not none of it's bad.

(57:23):
It's like that's why we are, that's why we live
in herds like this is this is good that we're
all approaching this with a different experience. But yeah, I'm
definitely like I want to let my emotions like kind
of voice themselves because I do feel like it was
immediately problem solving mode of like how do we get
the kids to sleep? How do we get a new
school situation? And there's just there's been not a whole

(57:45):
lot of time to grieve. Yeah, but I'm sure it's coming.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Well, you guys, I could, we could talk to you forever.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
But you have fun.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
You've got to you got a heart out, We've got
a heart out.

Speaker 8 (57:57):
We're all hard, right, it'll come back.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
I'm hard come back.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
I want to be we gotta and and uh. And
it's also would be nice to hang in person at
some point.

Speaker 6 (58:09):
Yes, reunion great.

Speaker 8 (58:13):
I want to come to the Pakawa's family event.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
You have to come giving It's fun.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
It's a little crazy fun, just less less partying.

Speaker 8 (58:23):
Yeah, sometimes the sober people are the craziest of all.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Yeah, yeah that's true.

Speaker 7 (58:29):
I'm there, exactly appreciate, thank you so much, thank you cool, fun,
so great.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
And and that whole crew like Blake Mill, like Blake
is great, Blake is so talented, and yeah

Speaker 4 (58:45):
All right, love you, love you,