January 21, 2025 • 48 mins
Let's do some discourse on that thang. To start our series on 2024's Main Character Haliey Welch, AKA Hawk Tuah Girl, we're taking a closer look at how a Tennessee twenty-something with no social media and a factory job became a household name in a matter of weeks in 2024. Jamie looks at the culture of TikTok and YouTube man-on-the-street surveillance channels, and tracks where the channel that catapulted Haliey Welch to fame failed to get proper consent, what their business model is, and why Haliey decided to go into business for herself. Next time: the debt TikTok owes to Girls Gone Wild, and why Talk Tuah got more downloads than this podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cool Media. Hello, sixteenth minute listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I hope everyone is doing all right in the midst
of the reboot of Dystopia, the reboot of the reboot.
Even Jamie just checking in here really quick to remind
you that I am going to be doing two tour
shows with the Bechdel Cast this week. If you're listening
the day it comes out, I will be in San
Francisco on Thursday with the Bechdel Cast. We're covering the
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movie Titanic, so it's going to be very dumb in
the best way with discourse also, so if you are
in the San Francisco area, please please attend. If you're
not able to afford it, reach out to me on
Instagram and we'll figure something out. If you're not in
the San Francisco area, you can also buy live stream
tickets to our show this Sunday, which is sold out
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in Portland, Oregon, and we are covering Shrek. Do I
have three tubes of green body.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Paint on the way? Yeah? I think I do.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So you can buy tickets to livestream that show at
links in the description. And with that, here is the
much anticipated talk to a series of sixteen minute Dick
sucking sucking dick. To put it in the parlance of
the terminally online, it's like no big.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Deal, like sucking dick and cock like I'm just like,
oh my god, time and.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Place many have done it, but the ways in which
it should be done has been widely contested throughout history.
While a lot of surviving texts on fucking from the
distant past are bone chilling, hears something from a Victorian
sex guide from eighteen ninety four.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Most men are by nature rather perverted, and if even
half a chance, would engage in quite a variety of
the most revolting practices. These practices include, among others, performing
the normal act in abnormal positions, mouthing the female body
and offering their own vile bodies to be mau to
in turn, or this she will lie perfectly still, never
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under any circumstances grunt or groan while the act is
in progress.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
But as women's magazines became more popular throughout the twentieth century,
how to best suck dick was a frequently discussed topic
in compat publications that only occasionally prioritize the pleasure of
anyone who wasn't a sisman. Here's something from a vintage
issue of Cosmo.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
A familiar deterrent to female pleasure is the ejaculate itself.
What to do with it? Certainly, a woman is entitled
to have a simple distast for the smell, the consistency,
or the act of receiving semen in her mouth, without
any complex emotion or difficulty being invoked to explain her reluctance.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Or the kind of shit I would read in my
friend's mom's bathroom. In the two thousands, at the peak
of the Sex and the City craze, where the closest
thing to erotic I could conceive of as a child
was how that girl from the cover of the Anamorph's
book could turn into a hawk.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Here's some advice from that time.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Try standing up against a balcony sex. There's a reason
this booty style is a staple of every porno flick
and X rated photos.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Bread me eleven years old and nodding my head. Yeah,
all I have to do is find a balcony. Advice
on how to best make something come out of PEP
migrated quickly to the Internet, and while it often produced
hilarious and even instructive results.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
So what you're gonna do is just suck as dick,
that's like you said you were gonna do.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
And no shortage of porn.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You'd be hard pressed to find a mainstream Internet character
whose identity was tied to this Specifically, that wouldn't involve
transcending the stigma of admitting that you watch porn online,
which I'm sure you've never done and I would never.
But in the same period of time, advice on how
to do things like sucking dick and cock became more
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publicly acceptable to talk about. A strain of catchphrase comedy
continued to morph from medium to medium in popularity.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'm talking, but what I.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Really would like to know is, though, what is your
opinion on how it's done in Papa Pui.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
And Dyna Mate? Did I do that?
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Well, that's a story of my life, don't respect.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
If you take your dog for a walk and you
both use the tree at the corner, you might be
a redneck.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Internet going all the way back to I Want You
with Uncle Sam pointing at you on a recruitment poster.
Catchphrases have always been a handy, if hacky trick in
marketing or propaganda, or as the case maybe both. You
get the idea and the Internet didn't change that very much,
But it's the makings of iconography, or as the churn
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of news cycles grows faster, main characters. So now we
have catchphrases.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Like very demure, very mindful, lay.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
Really alone, catch me oft how about it?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
While access has unquestionably expanded as the Internet has grown
more commonplace making the people who can personally benefit from
this style of comedy has expanded. Someone says something funny
and then they expand past that phrase or not, And
whether that happens or not isn't always necessarily their fault. Sure,
some people just don't have the desire to keep the
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bit going, reminding me of recent sixteenth minute episode. But
others have a blockage to a larger career, hampered by
cultural prejudice, bad timing, or often trusting the wrong people
with their newfound clout. But until very recently, these two
worlds never combined. Catchphrases made their way from the mainstream
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to Internet culture easily, and so did sucking bit, just
ask the Grapefruit Lady. But it was only a matter
of time that these two combined, but perhaps not before
we needed it the most. During a time of unrest
long after the mainstream to Internet fame machines like James
Corden and Ellen DeGeneres were dismantled for those people being assholes.
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I mean, even Fallon can't really hack it in this
department anymore. Here he is fighting for his life beside
the Rizzler.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
He looks good Twizzer for the Rizzler. See okay, we.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Have that two big boos boom boom.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
No sucking dick and catchphrase comedy's grand integration would bide
its time until a new economy had risen for the
overnight star one beyond the basic cable reality show, the
lifestyle blog, the ill fated late night show. No, no, indeed,
sucking dick and catchphrase comedy would transcend directly from words
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into a whole new currency. And that phenomenon began on
June tenth, twenty twenty four, by one Hailey Welch of Belfast, Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
What's one move in bed that makes a man go
crazy every time?
Speaker 8 (07:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You gotta give him that hawk. Dude spent all that night,
Hailey Welch the Hawk to a girl. Your sixteenth minute
starts now Joy.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Sixteen.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Welcome back to sixteenth minute the podcast where we take
a look at the internet's characters of the day and
see how their moment affected them and what their moment
says about us and the Internet. And this week, I
unknowingly bit off a little more than I could chew,
something that has certainly never happened before and definitely won't again.
But indeed, what began as a lighthearted attempt to profile
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a young woman from Tennessee who went viral for talking
about sucking dick after a bar crawl at Nashville has
since become a life consuming, algorithm shattering operation, one that
has overshadowed my own engagement. I'm dead serious. The morning
after we got engaged, I told the man, I'm going
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to marry the love of my life. No, I can't
take today off, babe, I need to watch all twelve
hours of Talk to. But I did find that while
I didn't speak with Hailey Welch for reasons that will
become obvious, but in short, she's still haunted by a
black cloud of potential legal action and an uncertain future.
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I realized that I can't even guarantee that her fifteen
minutes of fame are up, but there's no doubt that
she was the main character of the Internet in twenty
twenty four, and I haven't really seen anyone else try
to take a closer look at how this fame developed,
because while there's no shortage of media about Haley, I
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haven't found anything that's comprehensive or doesn't seem to have
an explicit agenda of either lifting her up for personal
profit or ironically pushing her down because it's easy. And
the more I learned about Haley, the more I found
that she's not just very human, but she's a fascinating
case study for these specific exploitations and scams that a
vulnerable subject is going to be tempted by, and when
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not surrounded by the right people, can be talked to
it into doing some pretty bad stuff. This multi part
series is going to be a look at this saga
about a twenty two year old growing up in an
unstable environment in the Deep South during a time where
American culture grew increasingly polarized, politicized, divided by glass.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And completely online.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And even though I haven't personally talked to Haley, in
the six months or so of her hyperrelevance, she did
a lot of interviews both in the mainstream in center
to write media outlets, and on her own social media
accounts from Instagram to x which she calls it so
I will too, Snapchat, TikTok, and her own podcast, which
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at one point was much more successful than this one,
Talk to on the Better Network, otherwise known as the
media arm of a Jake Paul led sports gambling company. Huh,
and so at many points in this episode, I'm going
to let Haley Way in because I'll say it. I'm
a bit of a completionist, and I believe I am
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the first and only person to have watched every single
second of Talk to Us.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
When the hell did you have Bobby Lee on the podcast?
Speaker 9 (11:19):
What?
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Hey? It was far away in my.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Is it photoshop?
Speaker 9 (11:27):
I don't know?
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Did you have him on your podcast?
Speaker 10 (11:30):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Do you know who that is?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
I don't know who he is?
Speaker 9 (11:33):
Who is that?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah? I know?
Speaker 9 (11:37):
Something actually done a zoom in North Korea a few
weeks ago. Huh.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It has unquestionably been a wild year for Haley. This
time last year, she was working at a factory in
her hometown, and right now it's still a popular question
of whether she's going to be brought to court for
becoming the face of a pretty egregious crypto scam.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I have questions.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
I have questions. I'm raised my hand. Hey, this is
one of the most miserable, horrible launches I've ever seen
in my life.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
But to begin, if I may get on Jamie's little soapbox.
While it would be easy to take this opportunity to
dunk on Haley, and I'm not even saying people haven't
done that in a funny way, they definitely have. This
is a more complicated story than we're giving it credit for.
And I figure, if I'm showing empathy to x in
Cells on this show, I feel like it's my responsibility
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to try and understand where she's coming from, because, in
one sense, it would be infantilizing of me to suggest
that Haley has no idea what she's doing, that she
isn't aware that she is participating as the face of
a crypto scam, is at least risky, if not outright wrong.
But I also know that it's a cultural tendency to
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take a young woman who fits a number of stereotypes
and push the entirety of an illegal scam onto a
person who, so at this time last year, was in
a working class job, and had never been on a
plane before. So for this series, I will need you
to join me in having more than one thing be true.
Hailey is an adult, and she's young, vulnerable, and navigating
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a completely new environment full of people with a vested
interest in misrepresenting things for personal profit. Something that becomes
clear if you take the time to listen to not
just what Hailey says, but to how others speak to
and represent her. I have no idea what is going
to happen with Hailey and this crypto fallout. I have
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no idea If, like many are speculating and is very
common in crypto scams, she completely gets off the hook
for this. Maybe she'll want to continue to try to
maintain this fame, or maybe the whole thing will have
been traumatic enough that she'll want out. It seems like
she and I have considerably different politics, very different stances
on big stuff like AI and fucking Elon Musk and NFTs,
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you name it. I think she's pushed some pretty noxious shit,
but I don't think that she is the puppet master here.
She's the face, and thinking the problem is solved by
making her disappear doesn't accomplish anything. Regardless of what you
think about her. Everyone who empowered this kind of scam
will do it again. And if Haley's association with the
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Paul Brothers is any indicator, people who have been put
through the same ringer she has are all too happy
to do it to someone else if there's money in
it for them. The threshold for mockery and failure is
so low, and honestly, this might even be the parasocial
relationship that I have forged with Haley from watching twelve
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hours of talk To and a bunch of other interviews
from some of the most successful and boring podcasts ever
committed to the form, like hearing Whitney Cummings say this
at the end of the pilot of Talk To a
maybe want to blow my head off?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
This is what a podcast is. I always leave a
podcast being like, was that anything? But like, it's just
two people kicking it. But that's the Internet, right.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
No one has the time or the desire to get
to know a person, and that's fine, you've got a life,
but that you'd still make the time to tear down
a stranger as a sign of the end times without
interrogating why you even know she exists? While there's a
million end time reasons that that is. Whether it's surveillance
TikTok channels, hanging outside bars and hoping to find drunk
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girls to exploit for men on the street content, whether
it's the algorithms trained to boost that content which makes
more of it, whether it's opportunistic talent agencies who see
dollar signs in a person like Haley and have little
to no interest in the safety of their clients because
the agents and the Internet understand them to be disposable. Ah,
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I digress. We're going to try to see Haley Welch
as a person someone who grew up with not very
much in suburban Tennessee, who is funny and wanted to
capitalize on this moment, but I think is unquestionably in
over her head. She's someone who, if nothing else, has
become convinced that grifting is one of the only ways
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to get out of the class you were born into
in America. So let's see what we can piece together here.
Return with me if you dare to. June twenty twenty four.
June eleventh, twenty twenty four, Hunter Biden is convicted on
three felon accounts of possession while under the influence of
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narcotics in Delaware. A crash aircraft in Malawi is discovered
after a plane goes missing, finding all passengers dead, and
a YouTube Instagram and TikTok channel called Tim and DTV
posted a video with a pretty drunk twenty one year
old Hailey Welch on Broadway Street in Nashville after she
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and her friends went to cmafest a few nights before.
The longest version of this interview is on YouTube, where
the two hosts, Darius Marlowe and Tim Dickerson ask all
manner of drunk girls the same question they do to Hailey.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Here are some examples.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
What's one move in a badroom that makes a mango crazy?
Backs any any it happened any you just got it
like that? Whatever move you got, I got a question.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
What's one move in a beadroom got make a mango crazy?
Speaker 6 (17:28):
So what I know?
Speaker 7 (17:28):
It's what I said on the get I spin around
with this still inside.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And Haley wasn't even alone in giving the sage advice
to never give a dry blow job.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
There's not a specific movie.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
You just gotta have got it, you gotta spit on it,
make it way.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
You gotta spin on that thing.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Come on now, I ain't gotta tal.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Ry for no reason.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But late in this video enter Hailey Welch and Chelsea Bradford,
friends who are interviewed together. And if you're listening to
this episode, I'm assuming you've seen this clip, but just
in case. Haley is a white girl with blonde hair,
wearing a black dress and a Prada necklace and is
standing with her best friend Chelsea, who would go on
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to become a big part of her personal brand. Darius Marlow,
a black man in his mid twenties, is doing the
interview wearing a red hoodie and is visibly more sober
than every woman that appears in the video, and the
interview honestly starts kind of boring.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
How do you get over at breakup like we're doing
right now? Y'all get over a breakup right now?
Speaker 9 (18:32):
Only way to get over one is get under another.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Amen. So, so you got a side piece? Maybe? Have
I got three? Have I got sevens? There's only one?
Speaker 11 (18:45):
O one?
Speaker 9 (18:46):
But so he's serious, have a boot?
Speaker 6 (18:48):
So how many you got on your roster? I know, hey,
four on thy four? I mean we got on your roster.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
None add one maybe I don't know, so.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I can get your number?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You can?
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Okay, there you go. Look at it.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Wow, these guys are really cool, smooth operators and so forth.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I really think it takes a.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Man with riz oozing out of his pores to need
to buy an entire camera set up and wait across
the street from bars in order to get a woman
to give him her phone number under duress.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
These guys pissed me off. The interview continues.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
For a while, mostly with Chelsea explaining what her type
is while Haley tries to flag down their other friends
from across the street where it seems like a different
man is bothering them. I can go, Then Haley rejoins
the conversation.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Leave a message to your last body.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I love you, booky.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
They must have been doing the right thing.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
What can I say?
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Okay, make the cob webs off this say.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Haley then walks off to go help her friends get
out of the situation with the other guy, while Chelsea
drunkenly flirts with the host. Then Haley comes back and
the host asks for a three sixty of their bodies,
which they do not seem comfortable with, and This goes
on for a while. Chelsea asked the host for a
dirtier question, and Darius pulls out one he's already asked.
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This is where we get the moment.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
What's one move in bed that make a mango crazy
every time?
Speaker 10 (20:32):
One?
Speaker 6 (20:32):
What's one movement mad that make that makes a mano
crazy every time? Then you do?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I do?
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Yeah, that makes a man go crazy every time? It does?
Speaker 9 (20:42):
Not reply.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
In bed, Haley? This is for her?
Speaker 9 (20:49):
What you want to answer this?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
You got it?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
What's one move in bed that makes a mango crazy
every time?
Speaker 9 (20:56):
Oh? You gotta give him that hawk dude, spit on
that thing.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
I don't get you. I think you gotta demonstrate hawk dudes.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
But just for Haley's future defense, because she's not the
one who asked for this question, let's hear that last
word from her again. If I see this on my
for you page, I'm gonna cry. The interview continues, even
though at this point Haley is fully facing the other
way and barely engaging, trying to keep an eye on
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her friends. It ends in the video with Tim and Dee,
including Chelsea, saying.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
OK, stay grace a camer.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
She said, we better post it from what I can
gather and what these Jabbroni's describe as their process in
a later video they post called the Hawk Truth Fuck Me.
There was not a formal agreement signed between Tim and
D's subject and themselves. And again, how is one able
to consent to appear on someone's YouTube channel while they're
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really drunk. These guys are not journalists, They're using people
for entertainment. But there are a lot of layers here.
Tim and D are black social media personalities, and there's
a demonstrable history in any pop culture of white people
taking and profiting from work pioneered and explicitly created by
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black artists without ever properly crediting them. We've talked about
it on this show before, whether it's stealing Julia Harmon's
Renegade Dance and turning Addison Ray and Charlie Dmilio to
white girls into the famous ones.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Associated with it.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
We've talked about the unlicensed use and profiting off of
Kevin Dodson's hyd Your Kid, hyd Your Wife local news appearance.
The list goes on and on, and so when I
first heard that Tim and D were frustrated that they
were not credited as Haley Welch's jumping off point platform.
I wanted to hear them out because it is true
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that when the Hawk too a meme, and by that
I mean just this very short version of the interview.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
What's one move in bed that makes a man go
crazy every time?
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Oh, you gotta give him that hawk, dude.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
Spend on that night.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
I'm trying to see what that be like.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Right then went turboviral. A lot of people did scrub
Tim and D's watermark from the video as it went viral,
and Tim and D claimed that they filed a number
of copyright claims. But but my thing is if your
business model is lurking outside bars to see if women
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will talk to you so you can both profit from
their likeness and try to get their phone numbers, which
these men do all the time in their videos.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
How many kids you walk, Caroline, I'd like two or
three children.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
I'm looking for two or three tools. Oh really, should
we get married?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
There?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
We should? We should? We said, I'm already in your heart.
Maybe I can say that you like me.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I don't care about your water bark. Right, let's put
a pin in that. Whether the fellows are watermarked or not,
this mysterious blonde from Tennessee was an instant viral and
mainstream hit. Talk to A goes mainstream in a way
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that few memes do nowadays. It's impressive, and while it's
true that Haley fits the bill for a viral star
willing to engage for all the biased algorithmic reasons, it's
still unusual for something to break through this significantly in
twenty twenty four. But during that first week, she didn't
come forward and claim the clip as her own, and
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her friend Chelsea, who apparently encouraged Haley to talk to
Tim and D on the street in the first place,
felt massively guilty about it. This is from episode two
of Talk to A, recorded on Haley and her granny's
front porch in Belfast, Tennessee.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
I only locked myself in that bedroom for like two weeks.
I went to work and then I come straight home.
I wouldn't even go a storing at gas. I was like,
everybody and their mama knows me around here. I was like,
I can't do it. Yeah, dressed in hats and so.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I don't know how the releases with these kinds of
videos work, and again question the ethical nature of convincing
a drunk person to sign a release if they even
do that. But based on Haley's reaction, which is consistent
in other interviews, it is clear that no one from
Tim and D's team were following up with her to
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make sure that she was comfortable with her drunken likeness
being posted across platforms for anyone to see. Haley wouldn't
offer up her own identity until July first, when she
hard launched her media personality and brand after a two
punch appearance. On June twenty ninth, she appeared at country
star Zach Bryan's concert in Nashville on stage, and then
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on July first, she formally launched her official social media presence,
which nuked any impostors who had intentionally or mistakenly been
identified as.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Hawk to a Girl.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So much had happened in the massive scramble to capitalize
on a meme that its subject hadn't yet claimed in
those interceding weeks, writer Max Reid clocked the classics. Someone
got the obligatory hawk to a tattoo, there was custom
truck vinyl, and there was a slew of false rumors
about who Hailey really was. Since bust admits play on
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what are now popular narratives surrounding the overnight internet sensation.
One claimed that she was a preschool teacher who had
lost her job over the video being posted. Another falsely
said she was a local bartender. Others falsely said she
had signed with UTA. But the first few days of
July are critical for Haley. First, she posts the clip
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of her at Zach Bryan, launching a new Instagram account
that quickly garnered over a million followers, as well as
an official TikTok account. In the coming months, she would
expand to x and Snapchat as well. And there's also.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Haley's first podcast appearance.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
On the Plan Brix Uncut podcast, hosted by Brianna LaPaglia,
who was at the time country star Zach Brian's girlfriend.
And if you're twenty two, you know that's no longer true.
If you don't know that, it's outside.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Of the scope of this show.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
What is within the scope of this show is that
Plan Brix Uncut and LaPaglia herself are linked with Barstool
Sports podcasts, which at the time was a clear indication
to me that Haley Welch was never going to answer
my DM Anyways, This is Haley's real release into the
world as a media personality, and it's a pretty successful launch.
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As a controlled introduction of her. She discusses the weirdness
of the last three weeks of her life to Brianna
in a really relatable way.
Speaker 10 (28:21):
All right, guys, welcome back to another episode of Plan
Brion Cut. I have someone that was harder to track
down than Osama bin Laden. We have the hook talk
girl Haley here. Oh my gosh, thank you so much.
This is your first podcast ever, first anything ever. Yes,
Oh my gosh, how do you feel.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Are you nervous?
Speaker 9 (28:37):
I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
She's a little nervous.
Speaker 10 (28:39):
She was scared coming in, but she wanted to come
on a podcast that was with a woman first, So
I'm like so grateful it was me and that you
chose to come on this one.
Speaker 9 (28:45):
Yes, maam.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
This is something that comes up with Haley again and
again that I found pretty endearing and relatable. She's more
comfortable around women and generally trusts them more good rule
of thumb if you asked me.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
And also, she.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And LaPaglia don't miss the opportunity to talk about why
this clip happened in the first place, and how Haley
felt about Tim and Dee.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Haley told us he was a YouTuber.
Speaker 9 (29:12):
He never said anything like about you know, Instagram, TikTok,
nothing in those sorts. I was like, oh, well, I'm
never gonna say this again. Sure enough, I seen it again.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
And the next day, July second, It's announced that Haley
now has professional representation with a management company called The Penthouse,
and got a write up in The Hollywood Reporter. It's
possible she went with this company because they had offices
in both Los Angeles and Nashville, which is an hour
from where Haley lives.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
From the article, the world's gone crazy for Haley. I'm
glad our team can help guide this rocket ship. All
the podcasters are right. Spend five minutes with her and
you'll see why she is America's sweetheart. The Penthouse founder
Johnny Forster said in a statement.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
The announcement included a hint that she'd be launching more
social media endeavors soon, and it also retained an attorney,
Nashville's Christian Barker, who had the following to say.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Haley has arisen to fame with her cheeky humor known
to her friends as the female Theo Vaughn, but after
getting to know her on a greater level, I think
her small town, grassroots story and how a chance encounter
on Broadway took her on this unexpected path to start
them will resonate with millions. We are proud to represent
her on this journey.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Then, on July third, Haley posted a video to Instagram
about the three best and worst parts of going viral,
revealing both that she'd quit her day job at the
end of June, that paparazzi had been outside of her
home for weeks, and she ends on this point.
Speaker 9 (30:45):
And by the way, there's one more thing that's really
pissing me off. Any of you selling or purchasing merchandise online.
It's not from me, it's not approved by me, and
it's counterfeit, and I'm not making a damn dime off
of any of it. But I just hired a manager
and I hired an attorney, so we're coming for you.
But don't worry. I'm watching my March store very soon,
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and you'll be the first to note to get your official.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Talk to March from me. And here's where Tim and
d come back in, Because while there was no shortage
of unlicensed talked To a merch making the rounds. By
this time, you might remember a popular design was talk
To twenty twenty four, which is a teaser for how
obnoxiously politicized viral moments become during election years. What's important, though,
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is that Tim and DTV we're also monetizing Haley's image.
So we'll return to the life and times of an
increasingly chaotic year for Haley Welch in just a moment.
But first when we come back, Tim and d try
to get theirs. Welcome back to sixteenth minute. Why is
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this the hardest I've ever worked on an episode of
this show? And we're back with the life and times
of Hailey Welch aka the Hawk to a Girl. By
early July, Hailey had ostensibly made the decision to capitalize
on a viral moment that had left her house bound
for well over a week earlier that month, a decision
that frustrated the Man on the Street YouTube channel who
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had originally posted the clip.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Tim and D TV.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
So we're going to go on a little side quest
because two of the issues that Hailey Welch singled out
when going public as Hawk to a Girl in early July,
was her annoyance at being posted at a time she
was drunk and others capitalizing on her by printing merch
that she was not involved in. Tim and D did
both of these things and had more success than you
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might think, complaining that Hailey didn't give them enough credit
for and I repeat, posting a video of her very
drunk online saying something funny without giving her compensation or
checking in for her permission. The two did post their
own Hawk to Emerch on their merch store, even using
Haley's image on them, and their defense at having done
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so is incredibly weak. I was able to find that
by the end of June, Tim and D were in
fact selling Hawk to E Merch, and here is their
self posted defense in their video, The Hawk Truth for
doing so, ripping off of an early interview with Haley.
Speaker 10 (33:35):
Like selling like if you were selling merch right, which
you are, I'm saying that would annoy me.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I think if other people were selling.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
It right, so she with their face on it. That
was one thing I found pretty interesting.
Speaker 9 (33:45):
Yeah, I like the guys that interviewed.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Us, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
Eah.
Speaker 8 (33:55):
But at the beginning of that merge, man we A
was one of the last ones to come out with merch. Second,
that shit went viral, everybody on TikTok shop going crazy. Bro,
we only had our march out for like a week,
no more than two weeks. We ended our started our
shit on like June twenty third, and that bitch on like.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Eight trying to kiss away like we was just trying
to be.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
A part and the merch was just a promotional thing
for the video.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
So their argument is, as many others would become, well,
we wanted to get in on it because it's our video,
and besides, it was only up for a few weeks.
The fact that Tim and D can make money on
this business model at all is ridiculous to me. But
they were really trying to make money off of this.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
Look.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Man, hey, we just dropped our official merch link would
be a description timodtv dot com. We got the best out,
best quality, best price, best everything, y'all go cobb it
link in the description best out, describe from roll to
a honey Kke and so.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
On July third, twenty twenty four, the same day that
Haley expressed her frustration at others profiting from her likeness,
Tim D got a spotlight in the motherfucking New York Times.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
The guys behind hawke to a girl would like a
little credit. At the end of the day, nobody would
know who she was if we didn't bring it to
light and post it. Mister Marlowe said, a lot of
the audience who hadn't seen us before think we grew
off this one clip. People were treating it like we
or nobody's and didn't already have a platform.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I'm not going to check who wrote it, but this
is a straight up bad article. The writer behind this
piece could not be bothered to watch the full interview,
which was available on Tim and D's YouTube channel over
a week before the day of publication, in which many
of the guy's statements in the New York Times piece
can be disproved on their own YouTube channel from the article.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Eventually, they recalled miss Welch encouraged mister Marlowe to quote
spice up the questions.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
End quote.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Mister Marlowe complied, asking what's one move in bed that
makes a man go crazy? Every time? That catapulted Miss
Welch into internet fame.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
But not only was this a question that they had
asked virtually every other woman they spoke to that night,
it was not Hailey Welch who asked for a spicier question,
that was Chelsea Bradford, As their own video demonstrates.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
You're a spicy are what's one movement bed that make
a mangle?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
But more to the point, the New York Times does
not bring up the question of consent here you know
the paper of record that didn't report on Israeli war crimes,
that New York Times. The article continues to lay out
the plight of the guys.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Soon they said, they began to hear from bigger fish
in the media pond complex Barstool Sports only fans, to
the pair's disappointment, though these inquiries were only to find
out how to get in touch with miss Welch, who
had become the subject of a fire hose of online
rumors about her job and the fallout from her viral moment.
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Miss Welch many of them. In an interview with Brianna
LaPaglia of Barstool Sports, such is life in the viral
content mill.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
In Tim and D's YouTube rehash of what happened between them,
Hayley and Chelsea, they share screenshots of a number of dms,
mainly with Chelsea in the days that followed their original video.
That reveals a number of things. First, that Chelsea had
reached out to them four days after the video was
first posted, saying that she had been blocked by them
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on TikTok and just wanted to see what was said
in the video. She messages them on June fifteenth.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Not sure why you blocked me on TikTok when you
literally have a video of me posted on there. I
don't even care about it anymore. I just want to
see what you're posting. I'm terrified I said some shit
that I don't remember, and I know you're going to
post it regardless, So just unblock me. Cry emoji.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
The guys reply potential opportunity for her or both if
you're interested.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
In their verbal explanation of why they did. This is
the fall up week.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
We gonna come up to her.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Came up to her.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
I don't I don't think that's how that happened.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
No, that's that's not how that happened.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
She most definitely walked across the street.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
We were reminding our business.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
It was at the end of the night. I had
the camera in my head. We were looking at clips.
We was like, man, do we have enough?
Speaker 8 (38:18):
It was like two latest hell and they camera out
seeing the camera and try to see what's up.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
Hold on, anyone tell them the realism where.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
They came with, Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get to that.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
We don't get to that. We're gonna get to that.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Hey.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
I think he posted the full video on YouTube this
past Sunday, But Hamley told us he was a YouTuber.
He never said anything like about, you know, Instagram, TikTok,
nothing of the sort. So I was like, oh, well,
I'm never gonna see this again.
Speaker 8 (38:42):
So just so y'all know, before anybody is in a video,
we let them know, yes it's for YouTube.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Y'all subscribed, we are YouTubers, but.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
We tell we tell them it's Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, all
that that's exactly what we say.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
I mean for every platform.
Speaker 8 (38:58):
If it's going on YouTube, wouldn't you expect it to
go on every other platform is going on social media?
We show everybody Instagram is our biggest platform because that
has the most following, most engagement, in the most views.
So we show the Instagram and we show the reals
tab as you could pop up the clip that we're
literally showing them and telling them our Instagram handle.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
But Haley and Chelsea didn't agree to the video, something
that becomes clear. Tim and D make straw man arguments
that contradict each other frequently. If the girls didn't want
the video up, they should have reached out to the guys,
but when Chelsea did reach out to them, for some reason,
it's too late. And besides, on TikTok, they didn't follow
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the girls, so they never saw the message, making Tim
and D blameless for not knowing that Haley or Chelsea
had wanted the video down for days, much less have
the men profit from it. They claim, if the girls
had reached out before the next morning, truly twelve hours
later when they posted the clip, they would.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Have agreed to blur the girl's faces, but that.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Seems unlikely as I couldn't find an example of them
ever having done that across their content. Tim and D
also said that they offered Haley money in the video.
They say they offered ten thousand dollars allegedly, but the
screenshots they shared don't seem to back this up from
what I could see. The screenshots they share while they're
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making that claim, are only offering to include the girl's
Venmo handles on screen if they agreed to make another
video with Tim and D, sharing that outlets like Complex
and Playboy had reached out to them asking for more
collaborative content, and supposing they did offer that ten thousand dollars,
it was long after the video had blown up. This
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whole situation is just like a mess in the way
that people in their early twenties are a mess. I'm
not saying there wasn't mutual mess involved. Another thing I
learned was that Haley had admitted to contacting Tim and
D's channel from a burner account she'd created, requesting that
the video be taken down because she was embarrassed. And
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when the pair release merged from Haley's face on it,
Chelsea did ask them for a free T shirt.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
But ultimately, for me, these.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Actions absolutely pale in comparison to the perceived entitlement that
Tim and D and content creators like them have when
it comes to people whose formal permission they don't have
to exploit. I'm sorry these guys are losers, because for
every fake show of support they show for Haley.
Speaker 8 (41:33):
You know what I'm saying, We were supporting them as
we said in our New York Times article there was
the first one would interview us. We said, we want
the best for them, And even though they was doing
all the podcasts talking shit, we didn't feel bitter about anything,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Because at the end of the day, it was almost
like she was all like our child, our baby, like.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
She came from what.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
She came from us, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
What it's meant moments later with dismissal and mockery.
Speaker 10 (42:00):
Well, they might argue that you're making money off of
it and event.
Speaker 9 (42:03):
Oh but what about that video they first posted when
all this shit started. I don't get any money.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
Off of them.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, look it suck my left lip.
Speaker 8 (42:10):
Yeah you should definitely, Oh, disrespect you left look left loop?
Speaker 6 (42:16):
Oh what happened.
Speaker 11 (42:17):
To the right one?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
In the screenshots they share, Chelsea is having these conversations
with the guys prior to early July when Haley got representation,
not Hailey herself, and Chelsea is replying pretty civilly to them.
The only perceived mistake she makes is wanting the shirt
they made of the viral moment when they were asked
to collaborate with Tim and d in exchange for a
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small bit of the revenue on merch that was already live.
Chelsea responds to them on June twenty second.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
She'll be capitalizing on it herself. Playboy got ahold of
me already, and I've read her everything you said, and
she don't want y'all benefiting from it because of how
y'all did her before it got as big as it did.
If she asked you right now not to post the
whole interview, you would anyway.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
And based on the fact that these guys didn't get
consent in any formal way and were belligerent and evasive
when confronted, I don't think Chelsea is out of line here,
Nor was it unwise for Haley to retain her own representation,
because well, yes, it is super silly for hawk to
a girl to have professional reps. In some ways, it's
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been completely obscured that this fame was something that happened
when she was very drunk at the suggestion of her friend,
that was posted without any sober or written consent, and
the moment initially mortified and embarrassed her. So after a
period where her identity was being claimed by others and
paparazzi had found her family's home in Belfast.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
She found an.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Attorney and a manager in her area. And this is
another thing that has come up on our show multiple times.
Both Kevin Dodson and Tessica Brown the Gorilla Glue Girl,
quickly retained representation after their viral moments, not just to
reclaim and clarify their image, but to protect them from
an entertainment world that they didn't have experience in and
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hadn't really signed up for. I would put Haley Welch
firmly in this category, although of course by July second
people were already tiring of the meme. Yeah, most of
their responses are classic talked to a girl, Oh my god,
society is freaking cooked. This has happened since time immemorial,
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and anyone who says it is corteous. Fuck, especially if
you follow it up by saying, and the Simpsons predicted it,
shut the fuck up. The only contact I've seen Haley
ever make with Tim and d following this story was
an Instagram DM following the launch of her podcast talk
to in September of twenty twenty four, a DM which
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the guys admit they never replied to because they didn't
know if they were okay with her offering them exactly
what they asked for attention. In an appearance on her
popular podcast, after saying she wasn't comfortable with how she
became famous, yeah, I.
Speaker 9 (45:08):
Was like, that was the only part of the conversation
that was funny. Haggy's dropping more videos is like the
weeks go on and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
No, I wid me after he dropped the next one,
and You're like, Chelsea, this is bad, and you were
like bawling your eyes out, and I was like fuck.
So I left work real quick, and I was like,
I'm coming over, and I came over and we didn't
leave the house for.
Speaker 9 (45:27):
The second one. Which one was it? Which one was?
The second one was one I love you put here
the cob web.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
The co web. So that's the one you were the
most worried about.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
So this begs the question what do Tim and Dee want?
You'd think that if the two really thought they had
a shot at the rights to the catchphrase or to
Haley's likeness, they would be after the management team that
appears to have advised Haley to cut them off.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
But they are clearly.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Upset with her specifically, when.
Speaker 8 (45:55):
I was talking to her, I was giving her the
Instagram They know it's for you too.
Speaker 6 (45:58):
You go to answer like I mean.
Speaker 7 (46:00):
And at the time we had around with ninety two
k they knew what they were getting into. We showed, yeah,
we had we had, you know, proof to show that,
hey man, this can go viral. You're not just We're
not no Joe Slowe's out here doing this for fun.
It was out of our control, so we just thought, hey,
we might as well give credit where credit is due, Like.
Speaker 6 (46:20):
It's them, you know what I'm saying. Here they are We.
Speaker 8 (46:23):
Were trying to give them that, you know what I'm saying.
They wanted the fame. That's why they got in the video.
They wanted the cloud, They got the cloud.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
The cynical answer is I think that it's Haley's name
that's relevant and ripping on her is likely to get
more views. And if that's the logic, they were totally
right about that. The Hawk Truth is Tim and D's
second most successful YouTube video ever, right after the original
Hawk to a video. So after I'd gone through all
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of this, I was trying to get to the bottom
of why exactly did Tim and D feel that they
were entitled to Haley's success other than the fact that
they posted the video, because ethically, I don't think they
have a case whatsoever, which is probably why they're pleading
that case doesn't seem to have yielded very much. But
why do they think they're entitled to this success? And
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why was Haley's attempt to reclaim her own likeness so
upsetting to them when they were passively benefiting from something
that she said. Probably because the people whose media they're
modeling theirs on didn't usually have those problems. So for
the moment, we're going to leave Haley Welch in early July,
right when she hard launched herself as a media personality
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who very much intended to lean into her fifteen minutes,
and we're going to take a look at the exploitative
media environment she was born from. This Thursday, we talked
to special guest Courtney Kochek and traced the origins of
confronting drunk women on the street for personal profit. That's
Thursday on Sixteenth Minute.
Speaker 11 (47:59):
Sixteenth Minute is a production of Cool Zone Media and iHeartRadio.
It is written, posted, and produced by me. Jamie rostis
our executive producers are Sophie Lichterman and Robert Evans. Pre
amazing Ian Johnson is our supervising producer and our editor.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Our theme song is by Sad thirteen. Voice acting is
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Speaker 2 (48:20):
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Cool Media. Hello, sixteenth minute listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I hope everyone is doing all right in the midst
of the reboot of Dystopia, the reboot of the reboot.
Even Jamie just checking in here really quick to remind
you that I am going to be doing two tour
shows with the Bechdel Cast this week. If you're listening
the day it comes out, I will be in San
Francisco on Thursday with the Bechdel Cast. We're covering the
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movie Titanic, so it's going to be very dumb in
the best way with discourse also, so if you are
in the San Francisco area, please please attend. If you're
not able to afford it, reach out to me on
Instagram and we'll figure something out. If you're not in
the San Francisco area, you can also buy live stream
tickets to our show this Sunday, which is sold out
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in Portland, Oregon, and we are covering Shrek. Do I
have three tubes of green body.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Paint on the way? Yeah? I think I do.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So you can buy tickets to livestream that show at
links in the description. And with that, here is the
much anticipated talk to a series of sixteen minute Dick
sucking sucking dick. To put it in the parlance of
the terminally online, it's like no big.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Deal, like sucking dick and cock like I'm just like,
oh my god, time and.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Place many have done it, but the ways in which
it should be done has been widely contested throughout history.
While a lot of surviving texts on fucking from the
distant past are bone chilling, hears something from a Victorian
sex guide from eighteen ninety four.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Most men are by nature rather perverted, and if even
half a chance, would engage in quite a variety of
the most revolting practices. These practices include, among others, performing
the normal act in abnormal positions, mouthing the female body
and offering their own vile bodies to be mau to
in turn, or this she will lie perfectly still, never
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under any circumstances grunt or groan while the act is
in progress.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
But as women's magazines became more popular throughout the twentieth century,
how to best suck dick was a frequently discussed topic
in compat publications that only occasionally prioritize the pleasure of
anyone who wasn't a sisman. Here's something from a vintage
issue of Cosmo.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
A familiar deterrent to female pleasure is the ejaculate itself.
What to do with it? Certainly, a woman is entitled
to have a simple distast for the smell, the consistency,
or the act of receiving semen in her mouth, without
any complex emotion or difficulty being invoked to explain her reluctance.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Or the kind of shit I would read in my
friend's mom's bathroom. In the two thousands, at the peak
of the Sex and the City craze, where the closest
thing to erotic I could conceive of as a child
was how that girl from the cover of the Anamorph's
book could turn into a hawk.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Here's some advice from that time.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Try standing up against a balcony sex. There's a reason
this booty style is a staple of every porno flick
and X rated photos.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Bread me eleven years old and nodding my head. Yeah,
all I have to do is find a balcony. Advice
on how to best make something come out of PEP
migrated quickly to the Internet, and while it often produced
hilarious and even instructive results.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
So what you're gonna do is just suck as dick,
that's like you said you were gonna do.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
And no shortage of porn.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You'd be hard pressed to find a mainstream Internet character
whose identity was tied to this Specifically, that wouldn't involve
transcending the stigma of admitting that you watch porn online,
which I'm sure you've never done and I would never.
But in the same period of time, advice on how
to do things like sucking dick and cock became more
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publicly acceptable to talk about. A strain of catchphrase comedy
continued to morph from medium to medium in popularity.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'm talking, but what I.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Really would like to know is, though, what is your
opinion on how it's done in Papa Pui.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
And Dyna Mate? Did I do that?
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Well, that's a story of my life, don't respect.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
If you take your dog for a walk and you
both use the tree at the corner, you might be
a redneck.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Internet going all the way back to I Want You
with Uncle Sam pointing at you on a recruitment poster.
Catchphrases have always been a handy, if hacky trick in
marketing or propaganda, or as the case maybe both. You
get the idea and the Internet didn't change that very much,
But it's the makings of iconography, or as the churn
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of news cycles grows faster, main characters. So now we
have catchphrases.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Like very demure, very mindful, lay.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
Really alone, catch me oft how about it?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
While access has unquestionably expanded as the Internet has grown
more commonplace making the people who can personally benefit from
this style of comedy has expanded. Someone says something funny
and then they expand past that phrase or not, And
whether that happens or not isn't always necessarily their fault. Sure,
some people just don't have the desire to keep the
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bit going, reminding me of recent sixteenth minute episode. But
others have a blockage to a larger career, hampered by
cultural prejudice, bad timing, or often trusting the wrong people
with their newfound clout. But until very recently, these two
worlds never combined. Catchphrases made their way from the mainstream
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to Internet culture easily, and so did sucking bit, just
ask the Grapefruit Lady. But it was only a matter
of time that these two combined, but perhaps not before
we needed it the most. During a time of unrest
long after the mainstream to Internet fame machines like James
Corden and Ellen DeGeneres were dismantled for those people being assholes.
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I mean, even Fallon can't really hack it in this
department anymore. Here he is fighting for his life beside
the Rizzler.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
He looks good Twizzer for the Rizzler. See okay, we.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Have that two big boos boom boom.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
No sucking dick and catchphrase comedy's grand integration would bide
its time until a new economy had risen for the
overnight star one beyond the basic cable reality show, the
lifestyle blog, the ill fated late night show. No, no, indeed,
sucking dick and catchphrase comedy would transcend directly from words
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into a whole new currency. And that phenomenon began on
June tenth, twenty twenty four, by one Hailey Welch of Belfast, Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
What's one move in bed that makes a man go
crazy every time?
Speaker 8 (07:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
You gotta give him that hawk. Dude spent all that night,
Hailey Welch the Hawk to a girl. Your sixteenth minute
starts now Joy.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Sixteen.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Welcome back to sixteenth minute the podcast where we take
a look at the internet's characters of the day and
see how their moment affected them and what their moment
says about us and the Internet. And this week, I
unknowingly bit off a little more than I could chew,
something that has certainly never happened before and definitely won't again.
But indeed, what began as a lighthearted attempt to profile
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a young woman from Tennessee who went viral for talking
about sucking dick after a bar crawl at Nashville has
since become a life consuming, algorithm shattering operation, one that
has overshadowed my own engagement. I'm dead serious. The morning
after we got engaged, I told the man, I'm going
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to marry the love of my life. No, I can't
take today off, babe, I need to watch all twelve
hours of Talk to. But I did find that while
I didn't speak with Hailey Welch for reasons that will
become obvious, but in short, she's still haunted by a
black cloud of potential legal action and an uncertain future.
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I realized that I can't even guarantee that her fifteen
minutes of fame are up, but there's no doubt that
she was the main character of the Internet in twenty
twenty four, and I haven't really seen anyone else try
to take a closer look at how this fame developed,
because while there's no shortage of media about Haley, I
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haven't found anything that's comprehensive or doesn't seem to have
an explicit agenda of either lifting her up for personal
profit or ironically pushing her down because it's easy. And
the more I learned about Haley, the more I found
that she's not just very human, but she's a fascinating
case study for these specific exploitations and scams that a
vulnerable subject is going to be tempted by, and when
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not surrounded by the right people, can be talked to
it into doing some pretty bad stuff. This multi part
series is going to be a look at this saga
about a twenty two year old growing up in an
unstable environment in the Deep South during a time where
American culture grew increasingly polarized, politicized, divided by glass.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And completely online.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And even though I haven't personally talked to Haley, in
the six months or so of her hyperrelevance, she did
a lot of interviews both in the mainstream in center
to write media outlets, and on her own social media
accounts from Instagram to x which she calls it so
I will too, Snapchat, TikTok, and her own podcast, which
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at one point was much more successful than this one,
Talk to on the Better Network, otherwise known as the
media arm of a Jake Paul led sports gambling company. Huh,
and so at many points in this episode, I'm going
to let Haley Way in because I'll say it. I'm
a bit of a completionist, and I believe I am
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the first and only person to have watched every single
second of Talk to Us.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
When the hell did you have Bobby Lee on the podcast?
Speaker 9 (11:19):
What?
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Hey? It was far away in my.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Is it photoshop?
Speaker 9 (11:27):
I don't know?
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Did you have him on your podcast?
Speaker 10 (11:30):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Do you know who that is?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
I don't know who he is?
Speaker 9 (11:33):
Who is that?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah? I know?
Speaker 9 (11:37):
Something actually done a zoom in North Korea a few
weeks ago. Huh.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It has unquestionably been a wild year for Haley. This
time last year, she was working at a factory in
her hometown, and right now it's still a popular question
of whether she's going to be brought to court for
becoming the face of a pretty egregious crypto scam.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I have questions.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
I have questions. I'm raised my hand. Hey, this is
one of the most miserable, horrible launches I've ever seen
in my life.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
But to begin, if I may get on Jamie's little soapbox.
While it would be easy to take this opportunity to
dunk on Haley, and I'm not even saying people haven't
done that in a funny way, they definitely have. This
is a more complicated story than we're giving it credit for.
And I figure, if I'm showing empathy to x in
Cells on this show, I feel like it's my responsibility
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to try and understand where she's coming from, because, in
one sense, it would be infantilizing of me to suggest
that Haley has no idea what she's doing, that she
isn't aware that she is participating as the face of
a crypto scam, is at least risky, if not outright wrong.
But I also know that it's a cultural tendency to
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take a young woman who fits a number of stereotypes
and push the entirety of an illegal scam onto a
person who, so at this time last year, was in
a working class job, and had never been on a
plane before. So for this series, I will need you
to join me in having more than one thing be true.
Hailey is an adult, and she's young, vulnerable, and navigating
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a completely new environment full of people with a vested
interest in misrepresenting things for personal profit. Something that becomes
clear if you take the time to listen to not
just what Hailey says, but to how others speak to
and represent her. I have no idea what is going
to happen with Hailey and this crypto fallout. I have
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no idea If, like many are speculating and is very
common in crypto scams, she completely gets off the hook
for this. Maybe she'll want to continue to try to
maintain this fame, or maybe the whole thing will have
been traumatic enough that she'll want out. It seems like
she and I have considerably different politics, very different stances
on big stuff like AI and fucking Elon Musk and NFTs,
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you name it. I think she's pushed some pretty noxious shit,
but I don't think that she is the puppet master here.
She's the face, and thinking the problem is solved by
making her disappear doesn't accomplish anything. Regardless of what you
think about her. Everyone who empowered this kind of scam
will do it again. And if Haley's association with the
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Paul Brothers is any indicator, people who have been put
through the same ringer she has are all too happy
to do it to someone else if there's money in
it for them. The threshold for mockery and failure is
so low, and honestly, this might even be the parasocial
relationship that I have forged with Haley from watching twelve
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hours of talk To and a bunch of other interviews
from some of the most successful and boring podcasts ever
committed to the form, like hearing Whitney Cummings say this
at the end of the pilot of Talk To a
maybe want to blow my head off?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
This is what a podcast is. I always leave a
podcast being like, was that anything? But like, it's just
two people kicking it. But that's the Internet, right.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
No one has the time or the desire to get
to know a person, and that's fine, you've got a life,
but that you'd still make the time to tear down
a stranger as a sign of the end times without
interrogating why you even know she exists? While there's a
million end time reasons that that is. Whether it's surveillance
TikTok channels, hanging outside bars and hoping to find drunk
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girls to exploit for men on the street content, whether
it's the algorithms trained to boost that content which makes
more of it, whether it's opportunistic talent agencies who see
dollar signs in a person like Haley and have little
to no interest in the safety of their clients because
the agents and the Internet understand them to be disposable. Ah,
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I digress. We're going to try to see Haley Welch
as a person someone who grew up with not very
much in suburban Tennessee, who is funny and wanted to
capitalize on this moment, but I think is unquestionably in
over her head. She's someone who, if nothing else, has
become convinced that grifting is one of the only ways
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to get out of the class you were born into
in America. So let's see what we can piece together here.
Return with me if you dare to. June twenty twenty four.
June eleventh, twenty twenty four, Hunter Biden is convicted on
three felon accounts of possession while under the influence of
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narcotics in Delaware. A crash aircraft in Malawi is discovered
after a plane goes missing, finding all passengers dead, and
a YouTube Instagram and TikTok channel called Tim and DTV
posted a video with a pretty drunk twenty one year
old Hailey Welch on Broadway Street in Nashville after she
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and her friends went to cmafest a few nights before.
The longest version of this interview is on YouTube, where
the two hosts, Darius Marlowe and Tim Dickerson ask all
manner of drunk girls the same question they do to Hailey.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Here are some examples.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
What's one move in a badroom that makes a mango crazy?
Backs any any it happened any you just got it
like that? Whatever move you got, I got a question.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
What's one move in a beadroom got make a mango crazy?
Speaker 6 (17:28):
So what I know?
Speaker 7 (17:28):
It's what I said on the get I spin around
with this still inside.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
And Haley wasn't even alone in giving the sage advice
to never give a dry blow job.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
There's not a specific movie.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
You just gotta have got it, you gotta spit on it,
make it way.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
You gotta spin on that thing.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Come on now, I ain't gotta tal.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Ry for no reason.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But late in this video enter Hailey Welch and Chelsea Bradford,
friends who are interviewed together. And if you're listening to
this episode, I'm assuming you've seen this clip, but just
in case. Haley is a white girl with blonde hair,
wearing a black dress and a Prada necklace and is
standing with her best friend Chelsea, who would go on
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to become a big part of her personal brand. Darius Marlow,
a black man in his mid twenties, is doing the
interview wearing a red hoodie and is visibly more sober
than every woman that appears in the video, and the
interview honestly starts kind of boring.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
How do you get over at breakup like we're doing
right now? Y'all get over a breakup right now?
Speaker 9 (18:32):
Only way to get over one is get under another.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Amen. So, so you got a side piece? Maybe? Have
I got three? Have I got sevens? There's only one?
Speaker 11 (18:45):
O one?
Speaker 9 (18:46):
But so he's serious, have a boot?
Speaker 6 (18:48):
So how many you got on your roster? I know, hey,
four on thy four? I mean we got on your roster.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
None add one maybe I don't know, so.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I can get your number?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You can?
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Okay, there you go. Look at it.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Wow, these guys are really cool, smooth operators and so forth.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I really think it takes a.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Man with riz oozing out of his pores to need
to buy an entire camera set up and wait across
the street from bars in order to get a woman
to give him her phone number under duress.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
These guys pissed me off. The interview continues.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
For a while, mostly with Chelsea explaining what her type
is while Haley tries to flag down their other friends
from across the street where it seems like a different
man is bothering them. I can go, Then Haley rejoins
the conversation.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Leave a message to your last body.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I love you, booky.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
They must have been doing the right thing.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
What can I say?
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Okay, make the cob webs off this say.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Haley then walks off to go help her friends get
out of the situation with the other guy, while Chelsea
drunkenly flirts with the host. Then Haley comes back and
the host asks for a three sixty of their bodies,
which they do not seem comfortable with, and This goes
on for a while. Chelsea asked the host for a
dirtier question, and Darius pulls out one he's already asked.
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This is where we get the moment.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
What's one move in bed that make a mango crazy
every time?
Speaker 10 (20:32):
One?
Speaker 6 (20:32):
What's one movement mad that make that makes a mano
crazy every time? Then you do?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I do?
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Yeah, that makes a man go crazy every time? It does?
Speaker 9 (20:42):
Not reply.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
In bed, Haley? This is for her?
Speaker 9 (20:49):
What you want to answer this?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
You got it?
Speaker 6 (20:53):
What's one move in bed that makes a mango crazy
every time?
Speaker 9 (20:56):
Oh? You gotta give him that hawk dude, spit on
that thing.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
I don't get you. I think you gotta demonstrate hawk dudes.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
But just for Haley's future defense, because she's not the
one who asked for this question, let's hear that last
word from her again. If I see this on my
for you page, I'm gonna cry. The interview continues, even
though at this point Haley is fully facing the other
way and barely engaging, trying to keep an eye on
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her friends. It ends in the video with Tim and Dee,
including Chelsea, saying.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
OK, stay grace a camer.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
She said, we better post it from what I can
gather and what these Jabbroni's describe as their process in
a later video they post called the Hawk Truth Fuck Me.
There was not a formal agreement signed between Tim and
D's subject and themselves. And again, how is one able
to consent to appear on someone's YouTube channel while they're
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really drunk. These guys are not journalists, They're using people
for entertainment. But there are a lot of layers here.
Tim and D are black social media personalities, and there's
a demonstrable history in any pop culture of white people
taking and profiting from work pioneered and explicitly created by
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black artists without ever properly crediting them. We've talked about
it on this show before, whether it's stealing Julia Harmon's
Renegade Dance and turning Addison Ray and Charlie Dmilio to
white girls into the famous ones.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Associated with it.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
We've talked about the unlicensed use and profiting off of
Kevin Dodson's hyd Your Kid, hyd Your Wife local news appearance.
The list goes on and on, and so when I
first heard that Tim and D were frustrated that they
were not credited as Haley Welch's jumping off point platform.
I wanted to hear them out because it is true
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that when the Hawk too a meme, and by that
I mean just this very short version of the interview.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
What's one move in bed that makes a man go
crazy every time?
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Oh, you gotta give him that hawk, dude.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
Spend on that night.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
I'm trying to see what that be like.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Right then went turboviral. A lot of people did scrub
Tim and D's watermark from the video as it went viral,
and Tim and D claimed that they filed a number
of copyright claims. But but my thing is if your
business model is lurking outside bars to see if women
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will talk to you so you can both profit from
their likeness and try to get their phone numbers, which
these men do all the time in their videos.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
How many kids you walk, Caroline, I'd like two or
three children.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
I'm looking for two or three tools. Oh really, should
we get married?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
There?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
We should? We should? We said, I'm already in your heart.
Maybe I can say that you like me.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I don't care about your water bark. Right, let's put
a pin in that. Whether the fellows are watermarked or not,
this mysterious blonde from Tennessee was an instant viral and
mainstream hit. Talk to A goes mainstream in a way
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that few memes do nowadays. It's impressive, and while it's
true that Haley fits the bill for a viral star
willing to engage for all the biased algorithmic reasons, it's
still unusual for something to break through this significantly in
twenty twenty four. But during that first week, she didn't
come forward and claim the clip as her own, and
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her friend Chelsea, who apparently encouraged Haley to talk to
Tim and D on the street in the first place,
felt massively guilty about it. This is from episode two
of Talk to A, recorded on Haley and her granny's
front porch in Belfast, Tennessee.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
I only locked myself in that bedroom for like two weeks.
I went to work and then I come straight home.
I wouldn't even go a storing at gas. I was like,
everybody and their mama knows me around here. I was like,
I can't do it. Yeah, dressed in hats and so.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I don't know how the releases with these kinds of
videos work, and again question the ethical nature of convincing
a drunk person to sign a release if they even
do that. But based on Haley's reaction, which is consistent
in other interviews, it is clear that no one from
Tim and D's team were following up with her to
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make sure that she was comfortable with her drunken likeness
being posted across platforms for anyone to see. Haley wouldn't
offer up her own identity until July first, when she
hard launched her media personality and brand after a two
punch appearance. On June twenty ninth, she appeared at country
star Zach Bryan's concert in Nashville on stage, and then
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on July first, she formally launched her official social media presence,
which nuked any impostors who had intentionally or mistakenly been
identified as.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Hawk to a Girl.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So much had happened in the massive scramble to capitalize
on a meme that its subject hadn't yet claimed in
those interceding weeks, writer Max Reid clocked the classics. Someone
got the obligatory hawk to a tattoo, there was custom
truck vinyl, and there was a slew of false rumors
about who Hailey really was. Since bust admits play on
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what are now popular narratives surrounding the overnight internet sensation.
One claimed that she was a preschool teacher who had
lost her job over the video being posted. Another falsely
said she was a local bartender. Others falsely said she
had signed with UTA. But the first few days of
July are critical for Haley. First, she posts the clip
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of her at Zach Bryan, launching a new Instagram account
that quickly garnered over a million followers, as well as
an official TikTok account. In the coming months, she would
expand to x and Snapchat as well. And there's also.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Haley's first podcast appearance.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
On the Plan Brix Uncut podcast, hosted by Brianna LaPaglia,
who was at the time country star Zach Brian's girlfriend.
And if you're twenty two, you know that's no longer true.
If you don't know that, it's outside.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Of the scope of this show.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
What is within the scope of this show is that
Plan Brix Uncut and LaPaglia herself are linked with Barstool
Sports podcasts, which at the time was a clear indication
to me that Haley Welch was never going to answer
my DM Anyways, This is Haley's real release into the
world as a media personality, and it's a pretty successful launch.
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As a controlled introduction of her. She discusses the weirdness
of the last three weeks of her life to Brianna
in a really relatable way.
Speaker 10 (28:21):
All right, guys, welcome back to another episode of Plan
Brion Cut. I have someone that was harder to track
down than Osama bin Laden. We have the hook talk
girl Haley here. Oh my gosh, thank you so much.
This is your first podcast ever, first anything ever. Yes,
Oh my gosh, how do you feel.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Are you nervous?
Speaker 9 (28:37):
I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
She's a little nervous.
Speaker 10 (28:39):
She was scared coming in, but she wanted to come
on a podcast that was with a woman first, So
I'm like so grateful it was me and that you
chose to come on this one.
Speaker 9 (28:45):
Yes, maam.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
This is something that comes up with Haley again and
again that I found pretty endearing and relatable. She's more
comfortable around women and generally trusts them more good rule
of thumb if you asked me.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
And also, she.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And LaPaglia don't miss the opportunity to talk about why
this clip happened in the first place, and how Haley
felt about Tim and Dee.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Haley told us he was a YouTuber.
Speaker 9 (29:12):
He never said anything like about you know, Instagram, TikTok,
nothing in those sorts. I was like, oh, well, I'm
never gonna say this again. Sure enough, I seen it again.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
And the next day, July second, It's announced that Haley
now has professional representation with a management company called The Penthouse,
and got a write up in The Hollywood Reporter. It's
possible she went with this company because they had offices
in both Los Angeles and Nashville, which is an hour
from where Haley lives.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
From the article, the world's gone crazy for Haley. I'm
glad our team can help guide this rocket ship. All
the podcasters are right. Spend five minutes with her and
you'll see why she is America's sweetheart. The Penthouse founder
Johnny Forster said in a statement.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
The announcement included a hint that she'd be launching more
social media endeavors soon, and it also retained an attorney,
Nashville's Christian Barker, who had the following to say.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Haley has arisen to fame with her cheeky humor known
to her friends as the female Theo Vaughn, but after
getting to know her on a greater level, I think
her small town, grassroots story and how a chance encounter
on Broadway took her on this unexpected path to start
them will resonate with millions. We are proud to represent
her on this journey.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Then, on July third, Haley posted a video to Instagram
about the three best and worst parts of going viral,
revealing both that she'd quit her day job at the
end of June, that paparazzi had been outside of her
home for weeks, and she ends on this point.
Speaker 9 (30:45):
And by the way, there's one more thing that's really
pissing me off. Any of you selling or purchasing merchandise online.
It's not from me, it's not approved by me, and
it's counterfeit, and I'm not making a damn dime off
of any of it. But I just hired a manager
and I hired an attorney, so we're coming for you.
But don't worry. I'm watching my March store very soon,
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and you'll be the first to note to get your official.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Talk to March from me. And here's where Tim and
d come back in, Because while there was no shortage
of unlicensed talked To a merch making the rounds. By
this time, you might remember a popular design was talk
To twenty twenty four, which is a teaser for how
obnoxiously politicized viral moments become during election years. What's important, though,
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is that Tim and DTV we're also monetizing Haley's image.
So we'll return to the life and times of an
increasingly chaotic year for Haley Welch in just a moment.
But first when we come back, Tim and d try
to get theirs. Welcome back to sixteenth minute. Why is
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this the hardest I've ever worked on an episode of
this show? And we're back with the life and times
of Hailey Welch aka the Hawk to a Girl. By
early July, Hailey had ostensibly made the decision to capitalize
on a viral moment that had left her house bound
for well over a week earlier that month, a decision
that frustrated the Man on the Street YouTube channel who
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had originally posted the clip.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Tim and D TV.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
So we're going to go on a little side quest
because two of the issues that Hailey Welch singled out
when going public as Hawk to a Girl in early July,
was her annoyance at being posted at a time she
was drunk and others capitalizing on her by printing merch
that she was not involved in. Tim and D did
both of these things and had more success than you
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might think, complaining that Hailey didn't give them enough credit
for and I repeat, posting a video of her very
drunk online saying something funny without giving her compensation or
checking in for her permission. The two did post their
own Hawk to Emerch on their merch store, even using
Haley's image on them, and their defense at having done
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so is incredibly weak. I was able to find that
by the end of June, Tim and D were in
fact selling Hawk to E Merch, and here is their
self posted defense in their video, The Hawk Truth for
doing so, ripping off of an early interview with Haley.
Speaker 10 (33:35):
Like selling like if you were selling merch right, which
you are, I'm saying that would annoy me.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I think if other people were selling.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
It right, so she with their face on it. That
was one thing I found pretty interesting.
Speaker 9 (33:45):
Yeah, I like the guys that interviewed.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Us, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
Eah.
Speaker 8 (33:55):
But at the beginning of that merge, man we A
was one of the last ones to come out with merch. Second,
that shit went viral, everybody on TikTok shop going crazy. Bro,
we only had our march out for like a week,
no more than two weeks. We ended our started our
shit on like June twenty third, and that bitch on like.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Eight trying to kiss away like we was just trying
to be.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
A part and the merch was just a promotional thing
for the video.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
So their argument is, as many others would become, well,
we wanted to get in on it because it's our video,
and besides, it was only up for a few weeks.
The fact that Tim and D can make money on
this business model at all is ridiculous to me. But
they were really trying to make money off of this.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
Look.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Man, hey, we just dropped our official merch link would
be a description timodtv dot com. We got the best out,
best quality, best price, best everything, y'all go cobb it
link in the description best out, describe from roll to
a honey Kke and so.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
On July third, twenty twenty four, the same day that
Haley expressed her frustration at others profiting from her likeness,
Tim D got a spotlight in the motherfucking New York Times.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
The guys behind hawke to a girl would like a
little credit. At the end of the day, nobody would
know who she was if we didn't bring it to
light and post it. Mister Marlowe said, a lot of
the audience who hadn't seen us before think we grew
off this one clip. People were treating it like we
or nobody's and didn't already have a platform.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I'm not going to check who wrote it, but this
is a straight up bad article. The writer behind this
piece could not be bothered to watch the full interview,
which was available on Tim and D's YouTube channel over
a week before the day of publication, in which many
of the guy's statements in the New York Times piece
can be disproved on their own YouTube channel from the article.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Eventually, they recalled miss Welch encouraged mister Marlowe to quote
spice up the questions.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
End quote.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Mister Marlowe complied, asking what's one move in bed that
makes a man go crazy? Every time? That catapulted Miss
Welch into internet fame.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
But not only was this a question that they had
asked virtually every other woman they spoke to that night,
it was not Hailey Welch who asked for a spicier question,
that was Chelsea Bradford, As their own video demonstrates.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
You're a spicy are what's one movement bed that make
a mangle?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
But more to the point, the New York Times does
not bring up the question of consent here you know
the paper of record that didn't report on Israeli war crimes,
that New York Times. The article continues to lay out
the plight of the guys.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Soon they said, they began to hear from bigger fish
in the media pond complex Barstool Sports only fans, to
the pair's disappointment, though these inquiries were only to find
out how to get in touch with miss Welch, who
had become the subject of a fire hose of online
rumors about her job and the fallout from her viral moment.
(36:59):
Miss Welch many of them. In an interview with Brianna
LaPaglia of Barstool Sports, such is life in the viral
content mill.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
In Tim and D's YouTube rehash of what happened between them,
Hayley and Chelsea, they share screenshots of a number of dms,
mainly with Chelsea in the days that followed their original video.
That reveals a number of things. First, that Chelsea had
reached out to them four days after the video was
first posted, saying that she had been blocked by them
(37:28):
on TikTok and just wanted to see what was said
in the video. She messages them on June fifteenth.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Not sure why you blocked me on TikTok when you
literally have a video of me posted on there. I
don't even care about it anymore. I just want to
see what you're posting. I'm terrified I said some shit
that I don't remember, and I know you're going to
post it regardless, So just unblock me. Cry emoji.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
The guys reply potential opportunity for her or both if
you're interested.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
In their verbal explanation of why they did. This is
the fall up week.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
We gonna come up to her.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Came up to her.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
I don't I don't think that's how that happened.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
No, that's that's not how that happened.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
She most definitely walked across the street.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
We were reminding our business.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
It was at the end of the night. I had
the camera in my head. We were looking at clips.
We was like, man, do we have enough?
Speaker 8 (38:18):
It was like two latest hell and they camera out
seeing the camera and try to see what's up.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
Hold on, anyone tell them the realism where.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
They came with, Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get to that.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
We don't get to that. We're gonna get to that.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Hey.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
I think he posted the full video on YouTube this
past Sunday, But Hamley told us he was a YouTuber.
He never said anything like about, you know, Instagram, TikTok,
nothing of the sort. So I was like, oh, well,
I'm never gonna see this again.
Speaker 8 (38:42):
So just so y'all know, before anybody is in a video,
we let them know, yes it's for YouTube.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Y'all subscribed, we are YouTubers, but.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
We tell we tell them it's Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, all
that that's exactly what we say.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
I mean for every platform.
Speaker 8 (38:58):
If it's going on YouTube, wouldn't you expect it to
go on every other platform is going on social media?
We show everybody Instagram is our biggest platform because that
has the most following, most engagement, in the most views.
So we show the Instagram and we show the reals
tab as you could pop up the clip that we're
literally showing them and telling them our Instagram handle.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
But Haley and Chelsea didn't agree to the video, something
that becomes clear. Tim and D make straw man arguments
that contradict each other frequently. If the girls didn't want
the video up, they should have reached out to the guys,
but when Chelsea did reach out to them, for some reason,
it's too late. And besides, on TikTok, they didn't follow
(39:41):
the girls, so they never saw the message, making Tim
and D blameless for not knowing that Haley or Chelsea
had wanted the video down for days, much less have
the men profit from it. They claim, if the girls
had reached out before the next morning, truly twelve hours
later when they posted the clip, they would.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Have agreed to blur the girl's faces, but that.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Seems unlikely as I couldn't find an example of them
ever having done that across their content. Tim and D
also said that they offered Haley money in the video.
They say they offered ten thousand dollars allegedly, but the
screenshots they shared don't seem to back this up from
what I could see. The screenshots they share while they're
(40:23):
making that claim, are only offering to include the girl's
Venmo handles on screen if they agreed to make another
video with Tim and D, sharing that outlets like Complex
and Playboy had reached out to them asking for more
collaborative content, and supposing they did offer that ten thousand dollars,
it was long after the video had blown up. This
(40:45):
whole situation is just like a mess in the way
that people in their early twenties are a mess. I'm
not saying there wasn't mutual mess involved. Another thing I
learned was that Haley had admitted to contacting Tim and
D's channel from a burner account she'd created, requesting that
the video be taken down because she was embarrassed. And
(41:06):
when the pair release merged from Haley's face on it,
Chelsea did ask them for a free T shirt.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
But ultimately, for me, these.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Actions absolutely pale in comparison to the perceived entitlement that
Tim and D and content creators like them have when
it comes to people whose formal permission they don't have
to exploit. I'm sorry these guys are losers, because for
every fake show of support they show for Haley.
Speaker 8 (41:33):
You know what I'm saying, We were supporting them as
we said in our New York Times article there was
the first one would interview us. We said, we want
the best for them, And even though they was doing
all the podcasts talking shit, we didn't feel bitter about anything,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Because at the end of the day, it was almost
like she was all like our child, our baby, like.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
She came from what.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
She came from us, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
What it's meant moments later with dismissal and mockery.
Speaker 10 (42:00):
Well, they might argue that you're making money off of
it and event.
Speaker 9 (42:03):
Oh but what about that video they first posted when
all this shit started. I don't get any money.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
Off of them.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, look it suck my left lip.
Speaker 8 (42:10):
Yeah you should definitely, Oh, disrespect you left look left loop?
Speaker 6 (42:16):
Oh what happened.
Speaker 11 (42:17):
To the right one?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
In the screenshots they share, Chelsea is having these conversations
with the guys prior to early July when Haley got representation,
not Hailey herself, and Chelsea is replying pretty civilly to them.
The only perceived mistake she makes is wanting the shirt
they made of the viral moment when they were asked
to collaborate with Tim and d in exchange for a
(42:40):
small bit of the revenue on merch that was already live.
Chelsea responds to them on June twenty second.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
She'll be capitalizing on it herself. Playboy got ahold of
me already, and I've read her everything you said, and
she don't want y'all benefiting from it because of how
y'all did her before it got as big as it did.
If she asked you right now not to post the
whole interview, you would anyway.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
And based on the fact that these guys didn't get
consent in any formal way and were belligerent and evasive
when confronted, I don't think Chelsea is out of line here,
Nor was it unwise for Haley to retain her own representation,
because well, yes, it is super silly for hawk to
a girl to have professional reps. In some ways, it's
(43:23):
been completely obscured that this fame was something that happened
when she was very drunk at the suggestion of her friend,
that was posted without any sober or written consent, and
the moment initially mortified and embarrassed her. So after a
period where her identity was being claimed by others and
paparazzi had found her family's home in Belfast.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
She found an.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Attorney and a manager in her area. And this is
another thing that has come up on our show multiple times.
Both Kevin Dodson and Tessica Brown the Gorilla Glue Girl,
quickly retained representation after their viral moments, not just to
reclaim and clarify their image, but to protect them from
an entertainment world that they didn't have experience in and
(44:08):
hadn't really signed up for. I would put Haley Welch
firmly in this category, although of course by July second
people were already tiring of the meme. Yeah, most of
their responses are classic talked to a girl, Oh my god,
society is freaking cooked. This has happened since time immemorial,
(44:29):
and anyone who says it is corteous. Fuck, especially if
you follow it up by saying, and the Simpsons predicted it,
shut the fuck up. The only contact I've seen Haley
ever make with Tim and d following this story was
an Instagram DM following the launch of her podcast talk
to in September of twenty twenty four, a DM which
(44:51):
the guys admit they never replied to because they didn't
know if they were okay with her offering them exactly
what they asked for attention. In an appearance on her
popular podcast, after saying she wasn't comfortable with how she
became famous, yeah, I.
Speaker 9 (45:08):
Was like, that was the only part of the conversation
that was funny. Haggy's dropping more videos is like the
weeks go on and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
No, I wid me after he dropped the next one,
and You're like, Chelsea, this is bad, and you were
like bawling your eyes out, and I was like fuck.
So I left work real quick, and I was like,
I'm coming over, and I came over and we didn't
leave the house for.
Speaker 9 (45:27):
The second one. Which one was it? Which one was?
The second one was one I love you put here
the cob web.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
The co web. So that's the one you were the
most worried about.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
So this begs the question what do Tim and Dee want?
You'd think that if the two really thought they had
a shot at the rights to the catchphrase or to
Haley's likeness, they would be after the management team that
appears to have advised Haley to cut them off.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
But they are clearly.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Upset with her specifically, when.
Speaker 8 (45:55):
I was talking to her, I was giving her the
Instagram They know it's for you too.
Speaker 6 (45:58):
You go to answer like I mean.
Speaker 7 (46:00):
And at the time we had around with ninety two
k they knew what they were getting into. We showed, yeah,
we had we had, you know, proof to show that,
hey man, this can go viral. You're not just We're
not no Joe Slowe's out here doing this for fun.
It was out of our control, so we just thought, hey,
we might as well give credit where credit is due, Like.
Speaker 6 (46:20):
It's them, you know what I'm saying. Here they are We.
Speaker 8 (46:23):
Were trying to give them that, you know what I'm saying.
They wanted the fame. That's why they got in the video.
They wanted the cloud, They got the cloud.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
The cynical answer is I think that it's Haley's name
that's relevant and ripping on her is likely to get
more views. And if that's the logic, they were totally
right about that. The Hawk Truth is Tim and D's
second most successful YouTube video ever, right after the original
Hawk to a video. So after I'd gone through all
(46:51):
of this, I was trying to get to the bottom
of why exactly did Tim and D feel that they
were entitled to Haley's success other than the fact that
they posted the video, because ethically, I don't think they
have a case whatsoever, which is probably why they're pleading
that case doesn't seem to have yielded very much. But
why do they think they're entitled to this success? And
(47:13):
why was Haley's attempt to reclaim her own likeness so
upsetting to them when they were passively benefiting from something
that she said. Probably because the people whose media they're
modeling theirs on didn't usually have those problems. So for
the moment, we're going to leave Haley Welch in early July,
right when she hard launched herself as a media personality
(47:35):
who very much intended to lean into her fifteen minutes,
and we're going to take a look at the exploitative
media environment she was born from. This Thursday, we talked
to special guest Courtney Kochek and traced the origins of
confronting drunk women on the street for personal profit. That's
Thursday on Sixteenth Minute.
Speaker 11 (47:59):
Sixteenth Minute is a production of Cool Zone Media and iHeartRadio.
It is written, posted, and produced by me. Jamie rostis
our executive producers are Sophie Lichterman and Robert Evans. Pre
amazing Ian Johnson is our supervising producer and our editor.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Our theme song is by Sad thirteen. Voice acting is
from Grant Crater and Pet.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Shout outs to our dog producer Anderson my Katz Flee
and Casper and by Pet Rothberd whole outlive us, all Bye,
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