18. Hear Daniel Wozniak’s own words between he and his Disney princess fiancee Rachel Buffett on Costa Mesa Police recorded jailhouse calls.

18. On this episode of Sleuth you will hear for the first time, in his own words, double murderer Daniel Wozniak describe in detail, the events leading up to his murderous crimes. Sleuth has exclusively obtained three actual jailhouse calls Daniel Wozniak made to Rachel Buffett before and after his confession to the Costa Mesa Police for murdering both Sam Herr and Julie Kibuishi. Sleuth invited Wozniak lead Detective Mike Cohen to the program. Detective Cohen was instrumental in procuring a confession from Daniel Wozniak. He is here with us to share his firsthand insights into each conversation between the convicted lovers.  

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Please be advised this story contains adult content and graphic language.
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(00:24):
Nature's better. Welcome to Sleuth. I'm Linda Sawyer. On this
episode of Sleuth, you will hear for the first time,
in his own words, double murderer Daniel Wozniak describe in

(00:47):
detail the events leading up to his murderous crimes. Sleuth
has exclusively obtained three actual jailhouse calls Daniel Waznick made
to Rachel Buffett before after his confession to the Costa
Mesa Police for murdering both Sam Hair and Julie Kibuishi.
Sleuth invited Wozniak lead detective Mike Cohen, who was instrumental

(01:12):
in procuring a confession from Daniel Wozniak. He's here with
us to share his firsthand insights into each conversation between
the convicted lovers. Good day, Detective Michael Cohen. Welcome to Sleuth.
How are you doing. I'm doing well, sir, And how
about yourself. Very good, Very good. Well, I'm so grateful

(01:36):
that you have given us this time today to analyze
these calls that were I call them the jailhouse calls, Detective,
because they were the calls that were recorded from the
Costa Mesa Police Department on the day that you actually
it was the morning after you guys had arrested Daniel

(01:59):
Wozniak for us, we after the fact, because at the time,
you still believed that Sam Hair might have been the
prime suspect and he was on the run and perhaps
Daniel was helping him. So that's really all you knew
at that point, and it wasn't until you brought him
in for questioning that slowly the story unraveled. So I

(02:23):
am so glad that you're here to help me analyze
these calls for our listeners today, and I'd like to start,
if we can, with the first call and give us
a sense, Detective, do you have an idea in the
whole scheme. I know, I know it's been a while now,
it's been a long time, but do you have a

(02:44):
sense of the timing of some of these calls. I
know that you brought him in Wednesday night and it
was pretty late Wednesday night and started questioning him, and
then I think that early morning, hours after Rachel had left,
because you also brought Rachel in around three or four
in the morning and kept her until almost six am.

(03:05):
So I feel like the calls happened that Thursday. Uh,
it was May and I just would love to hear
from you about where in the time frame of your
interrogation do you believe that these calls began? Okay, Well,

(03:27):
we had put Daniel Warzniak back into his jail cell
after we were originally talking to him and he was
giving us his initial story as to helping Sam. I
believe while he was in his jail cell, he probably
was on the phone with Rachel trying to explain to

(03:48):
her that he was assisting Sam and uh but had
nothing to the murders, right, Yes, that's correct. In the meantime,
while he was in a jail cell and Detective Delgado
and I were trying to figure out our next game
plan as to what we were going to do. I

(04:09):
believe from listening to the jailhouse calls, that Daniel Waznia
called Rachel and she started discussing with him, initially trying
to see if they can maybe do some type of
infanity plea or you know that he was crazy and
he did mention that to us during one of our

(04:31):
interviews with him, that he felt that he was crazy
and insane. So for our listeners, we're going to actually
play the first call. We have three calls altogether, and
before you get into sort of a deep analysis of
what you ascertain from the call, i'd like to play
the call in full for our listeners. Then we can

(04:52):
reconvene and talk about the call. But this call basically
took place after many hours of you and the tact
of Dougadeo interviewing Daniel Wozniak, and really he's still staying
with the I didn't kill anybody. I was just helping Sam.
I just dropped him off story, right, He had many

(05:12):
stories throughout the evolution of the confession. But this is
this is where we're at at this stage, and i'd
like to play the first call now for our listeners. Thanks,
this call is being recorded and maybe more Hello, l right, baby, Hey,
what's going on? What do you want me to do?
I don't I don't know me. What did you do?

(05:37):
I helped him cover up and help him get him drugs.
I didn't murder anybody. Did you help them actually cover
the body up? Or was it just the money thing?
I helped him cover up the body, and my pain
was supposed to be everything in his account. You're gonna
have to take a little bit louder times to you.

(05:59):
Was that when he came down to me, he knew
that I needed money and he knew that he was
in trouble. So the deal was that he would give
me all his money, the sixteen thousand in his bank account,
to help him hide it, and then he disappear. Wait,
so when did he actually kill her? So? What when
did he actually kill her? Um? Uh? Friday, Friday night,

(06:23):
Saturday between eleven and nine. He said he was on drugs.
I got him some drugs and so he gave him
the drug. That was what Friday was for Friday. I
went to go made a dealer. Yeah, kind of hardcore ecstasy.

(06:47):
He did that on hardcore ecstasy. I had got and
drink him. And then when he came, let's see on
them too. I don't know, he doesn't it look like
it was. I tried to make it look like it

(07:09):
was your boyfriend, Mark, and then sham picked it away. Big,
Why on earth would you try and cover for him
because we needed the money? No, we never need money.
You need to be good people and just have each other.

(07:29):
I'm sorry. I talked to your parents. UM, we're gonna
do all we can, but I don't think there's much
we can do for you. Then, what do you mean?
I mean, if you're charged with that, you're gonna spend time.
I've I've already admitted to them that I helped cover
it up, So so I don't know. I know you're

(07:54):
gonna at least spend a few years in there. Yeah.
I think your parents are going to try and help
get a good lawyer, but I don't know if they
hear what you actually did. I don't know if they're
still gonna want to where are you. I'm at an arto.
I'm getting gas and then I was gonna head down
there to find out some stuff. What's going on with you?

(08:18):
I talked to your parents, and my mom's working on
canceling all the wedding plans now and I just talked
to him, and I need to make a phone called
the detective now, boy, because Skin's involved, Because I need
to call the detective first, because I need to call

(08:41):
him and by him know before they catch me on
this recording device, because it looks like I'm not trying
to tell him right away. Tim says he has evidence
with him or or he knew where it was or something. What. Yeah,

(09:04):
do you know that Tim had some evidence? Oh god,
oh god, oh god. OK, Well this is this is
ridiculous and I have to go tell the detectives the
true baby. Um, Kim, Kim, do speak up only to

(09:27):
me so far, And it was in passing. I said,
I'm going to the police station right now. Danny's interested,
he's he starts freaking out and he's really frantic, and
he said something and something flips that he had evidence.
So I have to I don't, don't, don't, don't, but
can't be phone no, babe, I'm gonna do it. I
needed to pull over to the arts I could get

(09:47):
the phone number for the detective OVERAC what us Please
you realize the recording of the phone conversation and anyways,
you're being an absolute asked to try and lie again? Yeah,

(10:10):
I am, because they're stuck in there. The simplemly means
something else with Sam, something bad. Um, you're talking about
the credit card scheme. They already know all about it. No, No,
it's more than that that. What I'm saying is, um,

(10:40):
they can't find up they can't I know, but well,
I don't know what that is. I thought it was
a murder weapon. I don't know what you're talking about
other evidence. I don't know what Tim hows decides that
then said he had a murder weapon. So that's exactly
what him tell me. If I'm gonna go tell the

(11:01):
detective now though, okay, what do you want me to do?
Then I don't want you to tell the detective anything,
and I don't want him involved like that. I mean,
now I'm now I'm dead. Now I'm really dead. Maybe
you're already dead. It was more than pred What else

(11:26):
was it? Tim has? What do you think he has
to think? What I did with it? To both? Why?
Like I said that, I'm done, I'm done. I'm really done.
Um wait? Why do I was trying to cover it up?
And now I'm going away from life? What did you do?

(11:52):
I think you know what I did? Were you the
one that killed them? Okay, let me ask a different question. Hello, yeah, baby?

(12:19):
When did when did we fall asleep? Last night and
where were you? When did you leave last or not
last night? But that Friday night, Friday night, we got
home probably around I don't know, midnight. Yeah, remember that.

(12:40):
What did we do? Did anyone come over? I don't remember?
Why did we just crash? Did eye crash? We crashed
tower together? Uh? Huh? Family guy? And then in black? Wait?
Wait where I can't we're watching them in black and
I can hardly hear you on this funded speak a

(13:01):
little bit, ladder? What else? Okay? That night? Okay? So
when did you go over and meet Sam? And when
did you help Sam? Saturday morning? Saturday morning? Okay? Well

(13:23):
what were you supposed to be doing on Saturday? Um?
Because you told me what was your insurance class? And
you didn't have a class. So they're thinking this is premeditated.
Well you predated. They're thinking that you premeditated a murder
of both of your friends because you were telling me
beforehand that you had a class that you knew you
didn't have. You're already making an excuse in an alibi.

(13:48):
Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah? So why did
you tell me that you had a class? Ter? No?
But why do you what do you mean apparently they
you're not telling the truth? Again, they why didn't you

(14:12):
really do? I'm really not do they? Are you trying
to cover for somebody me? I don't understand. Why Why
did you tell me so early on in the game
that you had a class to go to on Saturday?

(14:33):
What were you planning on doing? You told me like
on Monday or Tuesday or something, and like earlier on
in the week. Um, listen to me. I'm gonna go
do something right now and you're not gonna see me
for the rest of your life? Do you understand that? No? No,

(15:00):
I have to tell the truth on what I did,
and I think you don't know what it is, and
it's bad. Imagine the worst, and that's what I did.
Do you want to tell me first? Or are you
gonna go tell them? If you tell them, can you
tell me back and tell me? To my faith? Can

(15:23):
you pig? You could probably tell them first. You come
down to the station right now. Yes, yes, I'm I'm
coming down to the station right now. Okay, because you
should follow them first, but I want to hear it
from you. You know, how far away? How far away
are you? How far away? I'm I'm on I'm on
Broon West and it's twenty two. Get here right now,

(15:45):
and you're gonna I'm telling you right now, babe, you're
gonna hate me. Okay, I'm sure they, but you know
that's what I'm not a good person. Start driving now
and get over here. That's on the whole truth that
I need you here. Okay, can you wait until I'm

(16:08):
there or do you have to say it right now? Oh? Wait,
I need to wait until you're here, But okay, I'm
I'm all my way. Hold on, how long before you're here?
Fifteen minute? Okay? Okay, I love you. So that's the
first call. What do you think, Detective Michael Cohen, Well,

(16:32):
Detective Delga Deal and I had interviewed him and gotten
the numerous different stories from him. We put my way
in his cell. I think when that phone call was
made after he was sitting in the cell and Rachel
had mentioned to him that Kim had evidence of the crime,

(16:54):
I think that just put it over the top for us,
which then made it to the point where he realized
that he had to go either tell us the truth
or we're going to find the truth out one way
or another. Because that evidence was going to be told
to us by Rachel. I have a quick question before
you continue with your analysis, do you, guys in real

(17:14):
time here the call, so you knew what he was
saying and what Rachel was telling him. No, Because what
happens is in the jail, we have a recording system,
so it's recorded. We have detectives that monitor it. What
they do is it's not something that we do, like
right away as soon as they get off the phone.
It's something that we will do eventually, after a detective

(17:37):
has some time, he will go through the tapes and
start listening to him. So, to be honest with you,
we had no clue detected Delgo, You and I that
this call had gone on until the jailer had called
us and said, Dan Wazan wants to talk to you
guys right now. I can still remember it to this

(17:57):
day when I had detected Delgado and I walked into
the cell and one of the jail blankets wrapped upon
his bed, uh and just kind of wrapped around his neck,
and he's just kind of looking at these big old
eyebomb and his hair was all disheveled, and he said,
I want to tell you guys everything, So we took

(18:18):
him out of the cell and walked him into the
interview room. And that jail is right next to your headquarters.
Is that where? Yes, that's correct. We have three different
interview rooms that we use, so we can walk them
straight from the jail right into an interview room. Got it.
And so you did not know what the content of

(18:41):
that call was when Dan told the jailer that he
wanted to talk to you guys, No the Deil the Deal,
and I had no clue what it was. All we
knew that Tech the Devil Deal got a phone call
at his death said jailer said, hey Wasnac wants to
talk to you guys, And that was it. So we
went back there and got him. We figured he was
either going to tell us another cock to me any

(19:04):
story that he had, or he was going to tell
us something. So but when we walked back there and
I saw him with that Jool blanket wrapped her on
his head and he just had that look on his face.
I just had a gut feeling he was gonna tell
us the truth. I just had a weird feeling that
he was gonna tell us exactly what happened. He looked
pretty stressed out, so obviously from the phone call, you

(19:27):
can tell he didn't want that bag of evidence to
be found, so he figured, Hey, I better gigs up.
I need to go ahead and tell my story. The
one thing that I noticed in the call was the
the acting performance of the both of them, particularly in
the beginning when he was willing to continue with this

(19:48):
I'm just helping Sam scenario. And he seemed so earnest,
so somecere when he said to her, but I wasn't
involved in the murders. I didn't do anything. I just
helped Sam. That That was obviously before Rachel had a
chance to tell him how she ran into Tim and
Tim told her about the evidence. So it's like he

(20:09):
was pretty good, and so was she for that matter,
at really seeming quite genuine about how innocent he was,
and quite frankly her as well. Yes, that's that's one thing.
Later when we played the tape to listen to it,
all of us as detectives or listening to you can

(20:30):
tell that I call it a poor acting job that
they We almost felt that at times that he was
talking to her as if maybe trying to queue her
in on certain things that maybe to try to keep
her out of the mix, because we've always had a
feeling that she was involved one another. We just could

(20:52):
not put everything together at the time. If you really
listen to her talking on the phone, she seemed very relaxed,
very uh, not upset at all as to what was
going on. I think most girlfriends or wives would be
just emotional and and down right out of it crazy here, Yeah, yes, crazy,

(21:18):
that's a good way of looking at him, the listening
to their event or significant other or whatever telling them
a story about the ball. I know I would be
I'd be very upset on the phone, but she was
very relaxed and it was like very nonchalant talking to
each other. I thought a perfect example of that was
when she point blank said were you the one that

(21:41):
killed them? And there was silence, right, he didn't answer,
and instead of saying like, Dan, did you did you
like answer me? Right? She went to, Okay, let me
ask a different question, what were we doing that Friday night?
I mean it was just what, like, you know, talk
about just shifting everything because she knew the answer already, right, yeah, oh, absolutely,

(22:04):
And I think some of the validation of asking what
were we doing that night? She wanted to kind of
put their stories together. In my opinion, I think she
wanted to kind of remember, Okay, that's what we were
watching the Men in Black. You know, we were laying
on the couch, and he just reiterating stuff to her
to kind of, I think, protect her in a way. Sure,

(22:28):
And I thought it was really sickening when she said, oh,
right that night, as if she didn't recall. I mean,
this very young, twenty two year old year old doesn't
remember what they did a week ago when two of
their friends were murdered. I mean, it's ridiculous. That's very true. Yeah,

(22:49):
you know, she's she knew exactly what was going on.
She just was trying to, I I believe, again, just
protecting herself and trying to slowly but surely distinctinging herself
from the whole situation. And even when he was telling her,
I mean I felt like there was a lot of
code going on, right. He was just sharing with her

(23:11):
enough so that she knew what he may have already
told you or what he's about to tell you, and
to make sure that she's on board and and knows
the page that they're on together, so she doesn't implicate herself, right,
But he said we took a shower together, and that
struck a chord with me because I remember in my

(23:31):
interview with Dave Barnhardt, who was one of the residents
at Costa Mesa. He's the he was the host of
the Taco Tuesday party, he told me that she told
him she saw the blood on his shirt when they
took the shower together. So yeah, and absolutely here, I

(23:51):
think he and her played these phone calls out just
basically to try to eliminate her from any involvement whatsoever,
and she looks like, unfortunately, she might be getting away
with that. I'm sure you've kept apprized of the accessory
after the fact trial. I mean, she was convicted of

(24:14):
two felony counts of accessory after the fact, but all
in all, the judge gave her I think it was
twenty four months for the first count and eight for
the second, and she's going to spend a year in
county jail. I know, I know, definitely not enough for
her involvement. In my opinion, your opinion and and Ed

(24:38):
Everett's opinion and hosted Detective Jose Morales. In fact, h
Sergeant Everett wrote a letter to the judge. The content
of the letter was, in essence, this woman is should
be where Daniel Wozniak is. Please please impose the harshest

(24:58):
sentence you can give the law. I know all of
you guys tried so hard to get the evidence to
support a murder charge for her, So it can't be
pleasing to see the outcome at this stage. No, it isn't.
You know. When I retired, they were still working on
the case against her and trying and trying very hard

(25:22):
on those detectives worked very hard to detect them. Aronalys
and in the whole team that was doing everything possible
that they can because we felt from day one she
had some involvement, and if not a lot more involvement
than they're really saying, But we just didn't have enough
at that time, and eventually, in time it looks like

(25:44):
the team of detectives were able to pull them more
together and actually get filing. I don't agree with the
minimum of time that she's getting. I think she should
be exactly where Dan is in prison, in the same
spot and dealing with the same situation sation. But unfortunately,
um she's going to get away with a little bit.
I think so. Now let's listen to the second call.

(26:08):
I believe she's trying to get gas on on her way.
I think she made a wrong turn somewhere, so it
delayed her arrival to the Costa Mesa Police Department. So
now I'd like to play the call. Sure, sure, after
the tone. Please take your first and last name. Baby,

(26:28):
please answer. This call is being recorded and made monitored.
You're called hello, baby? Yeah? Do you want me to
go to prison or the mental institution? I can't hear
you say that, louder. Do you want me to go
to prison or the mental institution? Girl? Through the mental institution? Yeah?

(26:55):
I think so. I think I'm on my way nowt
can you wait? Do you have to say now? No?
I do. I know once you get here, I'm not
gonna be able to really talk to you. So I
wanted to talk to you now because it might be
my last chance. Maybe I can come visit you in
prison mental institution they allow visitors. You don't understand there, bab,

(27:22):
this is this is big. Where's him? I don't know?
Did you call the detective? I did, and he told
them yes they did. Yeah. Then that means I'm going

(27:43):
away for life. That that I'm going away for life.
Why what is that link you too? I think you know? HM.
So because of that, I now have life. No, baby,

(28:07):
because you're fucking insane and you need to go to
an install institution and you should lead insanity and maybe
somebody can help you. Yeah, I love you, baby, but
you are crazy. Yeah, I am, I am, I am.

(28:29):
Were you rowing with them at all? No, there weren't
any drugs. There weren't any drugs now, not after they
find the weapon, there won't be news for any um. Well,
why why did dam do it? M He didn't, he didn't. No,

(29:01):
why did you leave the apartment that night? Please get
here and I'll get my full confessional. Okay, okay, I
just you're looking at the dead man. So that's what
I mean, because why don't do this to me? I

(29:26):
thought it was the only way I could take care
of you because I was a failure and faith. Honestly,
I love here invoices in my head. I've been going
crazy every since, every since I left my family, and
every since you left your family. Yeah, the farmers and

(29:49):
everything that. You need to get here, and I need
to confess my entire life to the detectives in you,
but I need them. I'm trying. Where are you I
I didn't realize that you were still at close to Mesa? Yeah,
so I went. I was going down towards Santa Anna.
So now I am on the fifty five south going

(30:16):
towards the four or five to take this traffic. Can
you can you just wait? Think about think about what
you did and what's coming. Be ready for it, Be
ready to tell the truth, and be ready to tell
them what you want, because I'm sure you have some
sort of right. Like you said, you get a choice

(30:38):
of say, police are jail or mental institution. Well, think
about what's going to be. Guys can make a good choice.
Start thinking. My life is over, baby. I just want
you to know about And I'm sorry. I couldn't be
the man that you needed. Okay, Okay, So maybe why

(31:02):
do you leave your family? Then I'm crazy? That's why
you left them? Because you're crazy because I hate confrontations
because they required too much out of me and I
couldn't deliver. And the main reason that I left them

(31:23):
is I almost reached the point where I almost killed them.
Did you almost reach your point where you killed me? No? Never,
I promise you were my only light? Oh baby, why
why didn't you? I can't say you needed mental health

(31:45):
earlier because of confrontation and failure and I'm a bad
boy and I don't know the pathological virus for a
reason because I don't want to admit it. You're never

(32:07):
gonna see me again. Maybe you're gonna see me again.
I'm gonna come do you all the time. But maybe
we'll figure this out. Okay, we're gonna figure this out.
You're gonna be in there for a while, but it's

(32:28):
gonna be okay. We'll figure it out and we'll try
and get movie. The first thing we need to do
is get you some mental health and then see what's
going on? Are you? Are you? Maybe will get you
a good lawyer and a good psychiatrist and we'll figure

(32:50):
this out. M D. So no, I'm I'm coming to

(33:10):
see you. Uh a last and there you were. I'm
a Hawaii and dire MacArthur where we down that one
night where we ran out of gas. Mm hmm. Maybe
this is gonna be okay. You know what I want

(33:31):
need to start doing work. I need you to start praying.
M hm hm hmmm. I sound like my fucking mother

(33:52):
right now. And I know, but as soon as you
stop believing in God and morals, you started getting sucked
up in the head. So I want you to start
praying and started thinking about it, and I'm gonna be
right there. Oh how long? M h how long? And
time there? Um um? What is the next bit? I

(34:21):
can't think? Do you know? That's how they'll talk on
We always passed coming from into nine on tupy five.
Mm hmm maybe mm hmmm mm hmm. Maybe I can
highly hear you on this phone. All I can hear

(34:42):
is you crying? Are you laughing out? M h marabe.
Maybe it took this to flicking. Yeah, you offen straighten
me out? I don't know. Mm hmmmmmmmm h m. I

(35:12):
don't love you very much for you to move forward
every one of My Wife movie after this whole experience
here the eye that I will never be able to
touch us like a single fucking person in my life.

(35:34):
M M. I love you, baby, mm hmmmmm. He was

(35:55):
so insane and so stupid. Yeah, I know when you're cindude,
little mind, we were doing it. I wanted to be
happy with me and I hate you for throwing it up,
but and hearing on the quarl by right now, I

(36:35):
was there wherever I can't hear you. We're am I
we're point hold on again, Emma working the point? Where
are you know? You're in good meat? M in a

(37:01):
street here on stare right rot the feet from the down.
This is not really closs feet. Kay. Hello, don't want

(37:24):
to talk to you about m okay, I am. I'm
getting off out of Harbor right now. So there's like
get maybe mm hmm, what do I okay, I'll I'll call,
I'll call you. Well, i'll see you today. As I

(37:46):
get in, I guess i'll just clean let the set.
Where do I go? Yeah? Well, I mean maybe they
pull off wait for me to get there. I want
to know it. Okay, I love you. I'll be like,
oh yeah, yea baby, what do you want? Don't don't

(38:18):
ever when that's what I'm not getting off the freeway
right now on vera Yeah you know, I mean, yeah, okay,

(38:38):
because I love I love the stop sign right now,
Andy to get off the freeway. That's a pretty powerful
call that it is. I mean, how cookie are these

(39:02):
two that they think you can with a checkbox? I
think would you rather choose prison or mental institution. Check one.
It doesn't really work that way, does it, Detective. It doesn't.
It doesn't. And I think this is where he's starting
to realize I'm going away and I need to figure

(39:23):
something out and start to try to, Yeah, the gigs up.
I need to try to implement my life story where
I've had a terrible childhood and I'm crazy I was
gonna kill my parents and do all that sort of stuff.
Because he's trying everything now to kind of decide, Okay,

(39:44):
I know if I go to the biggot house, I'm
going to prison. That's not really where I want to go.
I want to go to I call a club man,
to the mental institute. So and he's starting to realize
I gotta start making myself look like I'm not all there,
but unfortunately he is all there. It reminded me of
a case I had covered a while back on the Hillside.

(40:06):
Strangler and Ken Biankie decided once they really started between
the police up in Washington and the Los Angeles police,
they really were closing in on him, so to speak,
and all of a sudden he came up with this
multiple personality disorder right that he didn't know that he
had killed these women because he had different personality, so

(40:26):
how could he know. And it's the same here. You
hear Dan saying, you know, I really was starting to
hear voices ever since I left my family, and uh, yeah,
you could see that coming right, Oh, absolutely, yeah, you
can see it. He's changing his whole demeter from now
the gig's up, and now I gotta try to salvage

(40:49):
my life somewhat. So I'm not going to go to
the the prison. I need to go somewhere where I
can try to survive the rest of my life. And
that's the mentally instituted And she you can tell she
is smarter than him. She she was even still trying
to get him too confirm that Sam didn't. She said,
why did Sam do this? And and and at that

(41:10):
point he was actually being honest for the first time,
probably in a long time in his life, and he
said he didn't. He didn't do it, even though in
the previous call he had told Rachel that with that gun,
that gun that Tim told you about it, imagine the
worst that I did with it to both of them.
I mean, he basically told her, Yep, he did. He

(41:31):
did he got out, told her right there. When that
evidence is found, what's in that evidence is what I
did to both of them. I mean, basically told her
right there. It's like it just kind of went over
her her brain and U but she knew it that
And that's where I was just going to get here.
I believe that she really knew all the details of

(41:55):
what happened. It's just here she's just trying to cover
herself and make sure of that he's not going to
implement her implicate her in any way. And the real
example that is to me just so egregious is when
Dan you can tell, I mean, he's crying from the

(42:18):
bottom of his toes, right, I mean, he's recognizing what
what he's done and where he's going, and there's no
turning back yet, there's no remorse for the victims. It's
all he was crying for himself. But then her response
is just so cold and calculating. She she says, I
love you, baby, but you're insane and stupid. And after

(42:41):
this experience, I realized now I'll never be able to
be touched by another single person in my life. It
was just nothing about him. It was all about her
and then the line that really got me was, I
know she's speaking to Dan, You're twisted mind did this
to make me happy, and I really hate you screwing
it up? Mm hmm. I mean if that is not

(43:05):
just characterize Rachel Buffett oh proctivity. Yes, I mean she again,
as you can tell us, she's talking to him very nonchalantly.
She's not considering any of the victims in this, saying
I can't believe you killed these two people. I can't
nothing remorse exactly yet nothing, no remorse, no, nothing. She

(43:29):
just kept intervening with him as to she's just covering
her basis to make sure that she doesn't get implicated whatsoever.
And you can totally see it in the conversations with
each other, and it's unfortunate, but she's definitely covering her
butt from day one and from every every aspect that

(43:52):
she's being interviewed by detectives and even on these phone cults.
You can tell one of the percent that she's trying
not to be getting involved with any part of this,
even though she knew a lot. I probably knew it all, absolutely,
I knew it all. And it's just the idea that

(44:18):
she's suggesting that she loves this man, that she was
going to marry this man. I mean, she's having this
conversation with her groom to be. They were they were
getting married the next day, and she's all she can
talk about is how he has screwed up her life
forever and how why did you have to screw this up?

(44:40):
You could have done this and made me happy, but
you screwed it up. And so so now now I'm
going to be faced with what I believe she was
trying to suggest, is that no matter if she's going
to prison or not, she's going to live her life
in somewhat of a prison cell, right because between social
media and honestly, anybody that googles her name, right, I mean,

(45:04):
this is going to come up. She will be for
the rest of her life connected to this case. And
that's all she's thinking about at that moment. Absolutely, absolutely one.
She knows that her life is going to be completely
ruined by socially, it's gone. If she even tries to
find a job or do anything, it's all. This is

(45:25):
all going to be on her table every day of
her life. And uh, and she gets she knows that
big time. There's no doubt in my life, which is
why she was crying. She wasn't crying for Julie Quibi.
She she wasn't crying to Sam Hair. She was crying
for Rachel Buffett. Absolutely, as you can tell, you know,

(45:46):
there's no remorse whatsoever for any of the victims. Just
it's about them too. And then two over. So this
last call, Detective happened after Dan. You went to the
Allen and brought Dan back into one of your interrogation rooms,
and at that point everything unraveled and he confessed to everything,

(46:09):
to killing both Sam and Julie, and went into some
detail with you and Detective Delgado. And now this call
that takes place was when you put him back in
the jail cell and he picked up the phone to
call Rachel for the last time. Let's listen, okay. After
the tone, please state your first and last name. Don't

(46:32):
think what's wrong? Answer? This call is being recorded and
maybe monitored. Your called party is being informed of this
as well prior to accepting the call. Please continue to
hold while we attempt to locate your party. This may
take up the sixty seconds to complete. Ye, this call

(46:54):
is being recorded and maybe monitored. Baby, where are you
I'm here still. They won't let me see you though,
because you already told them. What do you mean? They
they said that I can't see you now. You you
already told them everything, and I can't talk to you
now because next time I'll be able to talk to

(47:16):
you is when you're all filed and everything at county
and then I can go during visiting a visiting hour. No, no, no,
what do you mean though? Can you change that I'm
still here? No? Tell them, tell him you just talked
to me on the phone and that was the deal.

(47:39):
I don't think they'll listen. Maybe because you already, you
already told them everything. They have nothing, You have nothing
to barter with. Now, why didn't you wait until I
was there? They wouldn't let me. They said there was
there was a word that she could see me afterwards.

(48:00):
Oh baby, I don't know what to do. Stamic Hey,
why right? Hey? Baby? Baby? He hello? Hello? Hello, hello baby? Yeah,

(48:43):
they're not gonna let me see you. I don't think
say good bye, do you? Baby? I'm so sorry I
did this? Did you really? Yeah? M why? How? Um?

(49:06):
I want to I want to tell you my whole
life real quick. It doesn't take that long. Okay, yeah,
go ahead, because maybe every time you call me I
I get twenty minutes. So take it all up, okay. UM,
my insurance job, it didn't go well at all. I

(49:27):
never owned any offices, I never managed any offices. That
was a lie, okay. Um. I was just a small
agent for Triple A and realized that I was going
on commission and it scared the hell out of me.
So I couldn't do it. Uh huh, So what do
you do do I am? I don't know what I did.

(49:54):
I tried to find myself and that's when I'm going
back home with the focus. Do you only income that
I was getting was from Gourmet Detectives When I first
started dating you. All the phone calls, but I made
to like people who were doing splits and everything like that.
They were all fake phone calls. I just faked it

(50:16):
to look good in front of you because I didn't
think I deserved you. Okay, all that was fake. And
the problem is I can't hold down a job and
I can't go to school because, um, I have some
mental problems, I really do. I can't focus, I can't

(50:36):
say straight, I can't rationalize things like a normal human dust.
So have you ever been diagno training of this or
you didn't know you have it? I just feel it.
I don't know. I saw a psychologist when I was younger.
Why were you in tricks then when you were young? Why? What?

(50:57):
Why were you on CRIS when you were young? That's
where I went to school, but that was like a
higher educational thing. I am. I got into PRESSED in
the Gate program, but my last two years I just
got in because I think my mom pulled some strings.
I wasn't in the class and NUCM Academy the only

(51:21):
reason I got in because I'm sure my mom paid
him off and then we got a different edger so
I could get the inter district transfer. What's how long
is job he ever had? Um? We've probably done a
triple A for about five months. You were never with

(51:41):
Farmers when I was with Farmers for maybe a week
if that. How have you lived in San Diego? I
never lived in San Diego. I don't have a condo there.
There's no mark. There is no sixteen th dollars c
D in my bank count. It doesn't existing before. So

(52:12):
you never were You never spent that much time in
San Diego? What about all your stories, maybe all the girls.
You're the third woman I've been within my entire life
that would have belike to you better for that? Are

(52:36):
you gonna realize that I've only been with three women?
You're my third and you would mine as well, and
I would have liked you got it to that, you know. Um?
Do you have anything else? Um? Just so you know

(52:59):
what happened the record? Um? Have they told you anything?
They told me what you said? Well, I'd like to
hear it from here now. Um. When Sam helped me
pay for the rent, I got a glance at his
bank account and saw the PI and I saw him

(53:20):
punching his pin number, and you know the state that
I was in of desperation. M h um, you're baby?
Are you sitting down? Yeah? Please don't think any less
than me after I tell you this, because this is
not a good story, Okay, but you need to know.

(53:45):
I called him and said, let's go down to the
theater on the base and I had my dad's done,
so we loaded and when I took him up into
the attic, I shot him two times in the back
of the head, and then I grabbed his credit cards

(54:09):
and I grabbed Wesley and we took money out of
his accounts. How how was Leslie involved? How did you
get him involved? I called him because he was under age,
so I figured they couldn't come after him if he
was under age. And plus there was no real connection
except my phone, which I didn't even think about. So

(54:32):
so right, get this, say, how did he know? Did
he know what you were doing or what he was saying?
What you no? I told him that I got a
new job working for a bail bondsman, and so these
guys were are on the loose, and we were able
to obtain their credit cards and we deplete their bank
accounts to um get the money to they olfer bail.

(54:54):
And he bought it and he's until it long wow,
and then okay, you can still hear me at yeah,
And that's when I started to panic. That's when I
came home that afternoon, all flustered and panicked because I
knew that I left everything at the crime scene, and

(55:18):
I was really worried over Pam's thing. And then I
knew it was only a matter of time before they
found that. So I had to make it look like
Sam was really like a wanted man. So I had
a cell phone. I started texting Julie saying come over
tonight at midnight, because I knew we would be home

(55:40):
from the show. And how did that noticing? Yeah, I know,
I know what I know. I'm explaining it. I went
where there were absolutely no cameras. They couldn't be seen.
I um. I made sure you were wrestled on the couch,
and I covered you up in your linked and tried

(56:00):
to putting ediously. Remember you were watching them in black
her family guy mm hmm. And I tried making your
rest and cost week by giving you in the size.
And I made sure that the blinds were closed in
the living room. And I said, I'm gonna go in
and take a shower, and I started the water, I
changed my clothes, I jumped out the back, all on

(56:22):
the floor, hopped over the fence, went upstairs. Julie was waiting.
I opened up the door of Sam's apartment and shot
her twice in the back of the head. Wrote fuck you,
she's yours on the back to make it look like
there was a violent act regarding sexcuse I cut her
pants and had a gun. I don't know. I got lucky.

(56:45):
You were right down there, but I made sure that
the volume was loud so you wouldn't hear it. And
then I went back down the stairs. I put all
my clothes in a pile. I hopped out into the
shower real quick to wash off briefly, and I came
outside and tell you when you were still laying there,
and then we went to take the shower together. I'm

(57:10):
not a good person, baby, I just can't understand why
you have to do all that stuff from the jet go.
I would have liked to without op wives if you would,
just if you would just trying to do something like
yet so with me, I know, and maybe I just

(57:34):
I need you to do something. I need you to
find a way to kill me. What maybe I can't live.
You gotta understand this. I can't live like this. I'm
going crazy and it's on May Day one. I need
to die. Maybe there's no possible way I can do that,

(57:54):
And there's no possible way I would. I'll come visit
you all the time, and then trying to get your parents.
Don't you like everything? You mean? Like a psychiatrist and
a good lawyer and everything. See what the best says
we can do. But I've already, concus, what's the point.

(58:15):
You don't write anything down, don't find anything, like you
have a lawyer. They have me on the reported. I
know it doesn't matter, just but you are mentally unwell.
So you said several things right now, So who says
one thing it's truthful and one thing with another because

(58:36):
we really don't know what the truth is with you
right now because you are mentally unwell. You don't write anything,
don't sign anything, and let me talk to your parents,
try and get your lawyer and find out what to do.
Maybe are you sure you're not making this up because

(58:58):
you're under pressure. M got truth the only time I
can be truthful. And now all I want to do
live guy, because my life is over? Why? Baby, because
I don't want to live? No? I mean, why wasn't
that bad? What I really got bad? Why was it

(59:21):
that so bad? Not having some money did they could
provide for you? We kept getting you dead. We were
ten tho dollars in debt? Why, yes, Beverly Plaza. Oh ship,
that's another thing, baby, Beverly Plaza. I just didn't pay it.

(59:44):
We owed them for why for the rent? For all
of them? Yes? The last month the last three or
four months, I didn't pay. We got evicted in December.
We have an eviction. Mm hmm. Anything else that like?

(01:00:09):
What about? Is there anything else that I know people
that I don't know about, m and just Chase and Madison. Yeah?
Maybe How do you kill yourself? How do you do it? Babe? No?
I can't. I can't live. I can't. I can't live

(01:00:35):
at the pussion. That's how you're the punishment? What that's
how to the punishment. That's the only thing that's saying
that you think clearly. No, it's not gonna make you
think clearly. I'm going crazier. I'll make sure you get

(01:00:55):
psychological help and the best lawyer that I can get you. Baby,
I don't need a lawyer. I don't need a psychiatrist.
I need like a pill. I need someone that will
kill me. Talk to anyone tup to day and up
to John. Maybe Baby, go to Dave. Let Dave take
care of you for the time being. Please maybe. I

(01:01:18):
love you this and um, you know I'm worry about
me finding somebody else. Take um. I don't kick anyone
right now and I will probably never do with anyone again. Baby, No,
very baby, don't don't do that, please creepy? Yeah, oh god,

(01:01:50):
where where is everybody else? What's happening? John and Violet?
I hear um randomly and then shanged him to get
the cloudy and found, you know, at the same station.
So I think they're still outside of Johnah Violence. You're what?

(01:02:11):
I think they're still outside of John and Violence? Did
they know Johnah Violet? Um? They knew everything I knew
earlier today when I first came out of questioning, and
they were still very skeptical. They thought you were under
way too much stress. And then you were endving something

(01:02:32):
to cover somebody. M h how him involved. I gave
him all the stuff to hide a gain in the gun.
I gave him my cards, I gave the backpack. He
n he didn't know that I did it. I told
him to dam did it? M h um. And maybe baby, No, no,

(01:03:01):
you don't, well you shouldn't. I know what they'll do.
And that's a lot of things that you're going to learn,
like going to psychiatry said, you don't have to draw
the life. I still love you. Why would you want

(01:03:22):
to live your life like that? I'm gonna continue to
live my life. But gonna be in a different ways
than it would have been. See, I've been honest and
just normal. I can't they people work for it. Maybe
I'm just saying I can't. I can't be locked up

(01:03:44):
at here knowing that I do have you. I can't.
I'll talk and see what we can do with players
and see what he would. It's gonna be like they're
going three minutes sucked on a call though, baby, can
you put John on the phone. Okay, he's not hearing.

(01:04:05):
What do you want to get the done? Mm hm?
Well I'm sorry, but they here's the other thing that
I did. Um quickly, lady. I couldn't let Sam's body
be found, so I cut off his head in his hands,
on his arm. Are you feeling? Where did you put them?
They're buried in the nature center? How did you cut them?

(01:04:30):
With your parents? Saw an act? When did you wear
the phone accent? They're at your parents? You're kidding me? No, crazy,
I'm gonna get you help. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

(01:04:53):
I'm sorry. Mhm. And you are going to give to
think like a normal person. I'm not sure you do.
I'm going to make sure you live and you get
in there and you get help. Sorry, mm hmmm, I'm

(01:05:16):
gonna go over and talk to your parents tonight. SR.
You talk to your dad. He doesn't know the full
extent of everything. What did you say? He says, he's
very hurt and he doesn't know what to do because
you don't needed them push him away and then all

(01:05:36):
come when you need help. But it's pretty serious. So
it sounds like you need to get him a lawyer. Yeah,
I'm just I'm sorry. I don't know what else to say, baby,
and I'm in good night. Okay, don't true everything I
just told you right now to the opposite gout. I

(01:06:02):
love you, I hate let you do, and I know
you need help that I love you who you actually
are and not who you're pretending to be and trying
to be at the moment, the detective that they promised
that I could see you, Please tell them please try

(01:06:22):
try like tell babe, we got that for the loose Okay, please, Okay,
I love you. If I can't, if I can't see
you to day, baby, I will see you. It's going
to be a process that County and I'll call them
the first can't be to put me to present right now.
They have paper working so long stuff. I feel like

(01:06:43):
I was listening to a taped call between Bonnie and Clyde. Yes, again,
you can tell, no remorse whatsoever, And I think keeps
feeding her with some information. She's also and feed him
with information to again to make it she knows exactly

(01:07:05):
what's going on. I mean, there's no reason why you know,
you're laying on the couch together at one point and
you don't know that he's got there anymore, watching to
a movie together. That's just beyond me. She knew exactly
what was going on, and all the way to the end,
when you know, you compel again very nonchalantly about it.
You know, he tells her what he did with Sam's body,

(01:07:27):
and you know, you would think that she would come
on glud or praised about what the heck you chopped
up the person's body, and none at all. Just I
still love you, baby, she keeps telling, and it's just
even slips, he says. When she one of her I
love you babies. He goes, no, you don't, or you shouldn't.

(01:07:50):
He was almost going to say no you don't, because
I think somewhere he knows that she really doesn't love him.
The way a future wife is supposed to love husband, right,
I mean, oh absolutely yeah. And and then I also
noticed when he said to her, where is everybody? Else?
Where's John and Violet and David everybody? It's like he was,

(01:08:12):
where's my audience? You know, where where are the people
that I'm that I need to perform for? Right? Because
the one thing is is that up until this call,
you never knew where reality stood, right, because he how
many times did he tell you? I mean, I know
you guys, I could see through it and appreciated that

(01:08:34):
they were all cock and bull stories. But you know,
it's like the boy that cries wolf. You never know
when it's real until I think he just unravels, right.
I mean that's when it seems like he finally gives
it up. Oh absolutely again, you know you know you're here,
she is now. I'm just talking for me. If that
was me, I wouldn't even answer his phone calls anymore

(01:08:57):
because I was crazy guy that killed people and chopped people.
Why would I don't even want to call and talk
to him anymore? But she still had to be in
there talking to him because I think she just wanted
to make sure that there was no implications on her
as to any any you know, doing any part of

(01:09:20):
the crime whatsoever. I felt like she was placating him.
Oh yeah, I agree. I think so too. And you
know what I mean, He's trying to tell her all
these details about how he shot Sam twice and then
lured Julia up to Sam's department. He's just telling her
the whole story that she already know and and you

(01:09:42):
can tell just by the tone of her voice she
already knows every details. She's just going along with it
and thrown in a few jacks here and there to
just to make sure to make it look try to
make it look like she has no clue as to
what's going on. But she's just calm everything. Yeah. And

(01:10:04):
when she said to him, how did you leave the
apartment without me seeing? I mean that is she she
told a gentleman by the name of Daniel hulk Yard
who was a minister to Dan at the time he
was incarcerated at the County jail, and she was in
charge of she was the gatekeeper of who was going

(01:10:24):
in to see Dan the first month that he was there.
So Dan had to Daniel Hulkyard had to go to
her in order to get see Daniel Wazniak, And at
that moment when he kept pressing her, you didn't see anything,
You didn't hear anything. You how how could that be?
You know, the gunshot was just three floors up. You
were with Dan the whole time, and then he left

(01:10:45):
to go upstairs. And she said the only thing that
she remembers is that she was on when she was
on the computer responding to an earlier message that Julie
La Facebook message that Julie left for her about her
wedding that was coming up, and just to say, oh,
you know, I look forward to seeing you this summer

(01:11:08):
and good crowd. Congratulations on your wedding, and she responded
back at eleven fifteen. Now, this is what minutes before
Dan's upstairs about to shoot Julie, and she's responding to
her saying, oh, thank you so much. I can't wait
to spend the summer with you by the pool. And
it was like an alibi message, I think. And she

(01:11:29):
told Dan Hawkyard that Dan waz nick was standing right
behind her when she was typing that message. And she
told you guys, she was fast asleep at one point.
And then she told you she was in bed with
her computer, and in fact, a jury foreman told me
that when they were deliberating, they counted over twenty seven
lies just in the transcription alone from that interview with

(01:11:52):
you that she had with you guys that Thursday morning
when you brought her in around three four o'clock in
the morning. When you guys are trying, I mean, you
don't have a lot of murders in Costa Mesa, right,
would you say, on the average maybe two a year. Yeah,
that's probably about the average expect So here you guys
are trying. I mean, you have a dead woman's body

(01:12:13):
found an apartment, and you're trying to get to the
bottom of things, and she's she's lying every few minutes,
and so anyway, that's I thought it was pretty ironic
when she started this call saying they won't let me
see you babe. Did they lie to you? Really? That's true,

(01:12:36):
that's your problem that the Coast Tomasa police, I see.
I mean, I mean, it's just ironic, right, It's very ironic.
It's unfortunate that she had a bigger piece in this pie.
But I'm glad eventually we got some justice for the

(01:12:58):
victims and her kind of going where she's going. It's
not enough in my opinion, but it's at least of something.
It's better than nothing. Well, you can appreciate that. Steve
Hair at the press conference after the sentencing of Rachel
Buffett that he was extraordinarily frustrated and very grateful to

(01:13:20):
to to everyone that worked hard and tirelessly on the case,
but just so frustrated with the system. Yes, yes, yeah,
sometimes the system is beneficial and sometimes it can be
real frustrating. Well. Hey, he even made a point if
she was tried right across the street in federal court,

(01:13:43):
she could have received between ten and fifteen years for
the same charges in the same conviction. So sure you
know that that was tough on him. The other thing
that I noticed in this call was that she didn't
focus on the heinous murders that he committed, right and
the details of what he did. She was more focused

(01:14:03):
on the lies he told her about their financial situation
or the girls that he was with. That seemed to
take priority over these horrific crimes. Yes, and talking about
the girls, she made a comment, from what I recall,
was something about, you know, I would have rather like
you better for that meaning right, he only were with

(01:14:26):
three girls, uh, and I was just third one kind
of I guess he must have played this to her
that one and probably was. Yeah, but just her comments
that she's making those were more important to her, and
she just kind of blew over the towards the end
there when he was explaining to her how he killed

(01:14:47):
Sam and what he did with the dismembering of the body,
she didn't really focused on too much. It kind of
just went real quick and done. And to me, that
just tells me again that she already knew was going on.
She didn't want to be involved, and tried to keep
everything in any in the generality, and and and try

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to play with each other on the phone back and
forth like like a barney and just like you just said, Well,
and she also knew she had a limited time, I
guess with the call, and she couldn't be bothered with
the details of the murders because she already knew them, right,
So it was more it's more about the details she
wanted to know about how his lies affected her, The
finances affected her, the girls affected her. She was a

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very jealous woman, and the girls would often call the
ex girlfriends that remained friends with him, and so that
always bothered her, and that was something she wanted to
get to the bottom of. And and at the very end,
she sort of throws him a bone, right, she's trying
to maybe say to him, you know, with because you're
a pathological liar, even though you confessed all this stuff,

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no one knows what the truth is because you lie
all the time. So now we're going to get you
an attorney. And she brings up an attorney at the
end of the third call, when he's already blown his wad, Right,
he's told you because everything it's like, I mean, I
don't really really cared that much about what happens to him.
At this point, she knows the jig's up and he's

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going down, and he's gonna cover for her as long
as she uh plays her part. That's right, that's right,
That's exactly true. And she just she and I agree.
I think a lot of times when she's advising him
of Hey, you know, we're gonna get you an attorney,
the best attorney. Hey, we're gonna if we need to
go to the metal uh capacity state for you, we're

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gonna take to that. She's just making it to where
he feels somewhat comfortable, like she's there for him. Yes,
and by the way she done, she did none of
those things that's right, didn't do one thing for him exactly,
and that's all she cared about was to make sure
in the bag is mine. He knows that she's still
there for him. And even though he's telling her, don't

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worry about me, I'm dad, don't move on with your life,
she's thinking, no, I gotta make sure I'm there because
I do not need him to incropate me at all,
So I'm there for you. But she's trying to tell
him during his conversation. So well, they also have each
other that as far as Tim, because I mean I
did have several interviews with Tim Wasniak, and he looked

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me point blank in one of them and said, if
Rachel ever gives up my role, then she's going down too.
They spent about a week together after Dan was incarcerated
and smoked their little uh crystal meth pipes all week long,
and we were much to Lisa Gold's dismay, who was

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his girlfriend, Tim's girlfriend at the time. But I think
they worked out whatever arrangement between the two of them
that they were going to make during that time because
they were both obviously involved and they knew that they
needed to protect one another, and so many people, so
many listeners asked me the number one question I get

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probably is why hasn't Dan rolled over on Rachel? And
I always say, because of Tim. He doesn't want to
see Tim end up where he is, So yeah, I
agree with that also because that's his brother, that's his
you know, his bloodline, and he's going to protect him

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as as far as he can go. And I agree
if he am okay, uh, Rachel in anyway, it's going
to just start falling downhill from there, right. And I
don't know if you had a chance to watch after
this sentencing, Rachel well, actually actually right before the judge

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um imposed her sentence, she did give Rachel Buffett the
chance to speak to the victims families. I don't I
don't know if you saw that or not, but she
she did say to the families that she wishes Sam
and Julie were still alive, and how she wishes she
never met Dan Wozniak, and how she wishes there was

(01:19:14):
something she could have done to prevent the whole thing,
and I just I know so much now because of
the podcast. People have come forward and shared with me.
I have one particular person that I called deep throat
at this point that basically Rachel confessed everything too, and

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that she was involved. She was involved in the planning,
and she knew everything that was going to happen, and
she spoke about some details that told me she she
was She saw the scene, she saw Sam's scene where
Julie was murdered Sam's apartment. Sorry, and uh, details that
are coming up that I just hope because I have

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looked into the law US detective, and you can be
convicted of accessory after the fact and still be charged
with murder at some point if the evidence comes forward
to support it. So I hope that, um, you know,
with maybe a new administration, maybe there's a chance for
a second look at this case because Rachel was involved,

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Tim was involved. I even think Noah was involved. I
don't know if you heard the podcast, the episode with
the Spaths Kristen and John Spath, but they did come
to see you guys. I think it was the Monday
of Memorial Day when they had had a visit from
Rachel and Noah and Rachel basically came there and she

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was already in the bag. She had a two leader
bottle of vodka in her hand that she was literally
drinking from the throat, if you can believe it. And
Noah comes in with an unlit corn pipe like an
like a prop right, like he's like a professor. And
he tells John Spath because John and Kristen were the
parents of Brittany Boudrey, and she was the girl, she

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was really the love of Dan's life, and she was
the girl that Dan dated prior to Rachel and was
supposed to marry, and and the families went on holidays
and cruises together, and and he was he called them mom,
you know, Mama, and big guy, right, these were these
were like parents to him. And they said, we're just
we can't believe we never saw Dan wes Niack violent

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or have a temper. Were just so shocked. We just
we can't make heads or tails of it. And Noah
said to him at that point, oh, I certainly can,
because we would sit around and plan ways to murder
people and get away with it. And uh, that's when
John said, we felt we had to come to the
Coasta Mesa Police because you know, the conversation continued when

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when Noah then shared with him that he was a
co signer on the on the lease for the apartment
in Costa Mesa, and Noah's said that he was worried
because he knew that the eviction was eminent, and he said,
what's going to happen here? Dude, what are you gonna
do about it? Uh, this is my credit that you're hurting,
And Dan told him, and Noah then repeated this story

(01:22:16):
to John Speth. He said, Dan told me, as long
as I could get four dollars a day, I'll be fine.
Well that's exactly what he did. I mean, that's exactly
how much money he took out of Sam's account every day.
And so Noah's telling John Speth his story where he
would have no knowledge of this information right if he
wasn't involved and knew what was going on. So I

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think it's just so many more players to look at
in this case. I just don't think Dan was alone
in doing these crimes. I I I agree with you
on a lot of that stuff. And you know we
we and think also felt very much the same when
I say we are detective at the time this is

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a hard murder at this pointed by itself, but you
know every day. Initially at that point led the band
Rozank and we felt the Rachel was definitely involved. We
we felt then what other players involved, but we just
didn't have enough at that time, um to move forward
on charge. Yeah, grow years year and now we had

(01:23:21):
a little more on Rachel. I kind of buff it
at this point in time, but again, there's no statute
on comicide or murder, so who knows what could happen
in the future of prime goes on and maybe there's
some other detectives that get involved, and you want to
look at the case again, and he knows what could

(01:23:41):
happen down the road. Well, I think that would be
certainly a scenario that Steve Hare would be very pleased about,
because I think I don't think he's ever going to
have peace until everyone involved pays the price. Sure, Sure,
I remember talking to Steven numerous times. He felt there

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was definitely more. There's multiple people involved, not just one
or two and and and I a lot of us agree.
It's just again, we gotta go where the evidence leads us.
And as we put everything together, and at the time
was definitely one person possibly too, and Rachel has eventually

(01:24:27):
got her sentence sing for it and not enough obviously,
but hopefully in time, Like I said, I would hope
in time, if someone had some time to do it
and maybe look at it again one more time. Well
we'll see what they decided to deal over there. And uh,

(01:24:48):
it's a great detective there I worked for. I can't complain,
so they've done a really good job. Well, detective. We
are so grateful for your time today and really do
appreciate your thoughts on on what you heard these calls.
I'm sure you haven't heard heard them in a while,
so it brought back a lot. And we really do
appreciate knowing that we have one of the lead detectives

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in this case uh here with us to help guide
us through these calls. And thank you so much. Well,
thank you, you get the great day. You was well
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