October 17, 2018 • 29 mins
Check in for another SLEUTH Exclusive. We hear from Scott Ehredt who shares much more about his two year relationship with Former Disney Princess Rachel Buffett. He dated her soon after Buffett's ex fiancee, Daniel Wozniak was incarcerated for the murders of his friends Sam Herr and Julie Kibuishi. Ehredt provides listeners with a unique view into the world of Rachel that you wouldn't have the opportunity to learn anywhere else.
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Please be advised this story contains adult content and graphic language.
Welcome back to Sleuth. I'm Linda Sawyer. In this episode,
we feature part two of our interview with Rachel Buffett's
ex boyfriend, Scott Arrett. With so many stories filling his
years with Rachel, Scott called in after leaving our studio
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to share a few additional memories he candidly revealed for
our listeners. Hello, Hello, how are you. It's Linda Sawyer
here from Sleuth. Hey. I just wanted to mention a
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few things that I've It's just a couple of things
I forgot to talk about because I think they're important.
Go right ahead. Well, we didn't talk about how I
met Rachel's parents, which is a bizarre story all in itself. Um,
I don't if you want to know better than of course. Um,
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it was pretty early on when we were seeing each other,
and I mean, I don't remember why, but for some reason,
meeting all times, it got me a hotel room right
across from the cancel down there to spend the night,
which they would do occasionally if I was doing something
like marketing it or something for them. And she got
all excited because we're staying in a nice hotel room
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or blah blah blah. So she wasn't working that night,
and I was doing the show and I was looking
forward to getting out the show, and she was in
the room over there, or at the pool or whatever,
having a good time. I got out of the show
over and she's not there. And there are all these
text messages on my phone about how she went up
to seeing karaoke and it was with I think we
talked about that girl at the Castle that she just
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glommed onto her and brought her into her circle. And
this is this poor girl had no clue about life
or what was going on next Sally, you know, she's
going to parties and showing off her boots for a
twenty bill because Rachel enjoyed doing that to her. So
she's with her. And she liked to exert power over
men and women, is what you're saying. Oh yeah, any
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control she can have over anybody, and especially it was
to get them to do things that are bizarre that
they wouldn't normally do because then she wins. She got
them to do that. So that's all part of the
manipulation thing that she loved to do. So much. So anyway,
she um, there were texts on my phone, and there
were a lot of them, and they were slowly Obviously
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she was getting pretty drunk from the text so I
tried calling her, I can get a hold of her.
Finally get I think I got a hold of her,
and she couldn't tell me where she was. And she
was with this girl from the Castle and Dave Barnhardt,
one of the circle of the Taco Tuesday people, you know, um,
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and they're singing karaoke somewhere and she's trying to tell
where she is. She wants me to come singing. You know,
I don't know where you are. I don't want to
go to a bar, but I'm gonna come get you
because you sound like you wasted. So she finally she
hands the phone to this other girl and she's kind
of telling me she doesn't know the name of the
you know, she's the neighbor of the place, but she
can tell me exactly where it was. So I'm trying
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to GPS by the name of the place, and to
make a long story short, I finally got there and
found the place and it's this seedy little dive bar
and I walk in and they're all sitting at a
table and there's some girl I don't know, there's the
girl from the castle, there's Rachel, and there's Dave and
Rachel is he's sitting in like a tall at one
of those tall tables and he sit on like stools,
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and so he's sitting on the tall stool and she's
kind of like between his legs with her head on
his chest, and he's playing with her ass and she's
basically passed out. So I went up and said, okay,
I'm going to take her home now, and he got
pretty belligerent. He's still sitting there, and I said, no,
she's she's going home now. And I looked at her
and I said you have to go home now, and
she's kind of incoherently saying yeah, yeah, whatever. And I
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said you want to go home and she said yes,
So okay, so I'm taking her home now, and he
got really kind of I forget, but he reached out
and I don't know if he pushed me or put
his arm on me or something, and I basically said,
if you touched me again, I'll rip your arm off
and beat you over the head with it. Um So
he was like territorial like a boyfriend. Oh yeah, yeah,
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And so he yells for for security to come over,
and the bar security comes over. This is what's going on.
I said, this girl is extraordinarily drunk. Is this bar
going to keep serving your alcohol? He said, you no, no,
it's great that I'm taking her home. So they've kind
of backed off because security was there and said to
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take her home. So I got I took her out
of the place, and we get out to the parking
lot and I don't know, cool air or something. She
came around a little bit and she's kind of sitting
there in the parking lot and she starts crying, and
she says, I just can't get away from these people.
And I realized I didn't realize then. I realized now
working back at it, that it's whoever she's with at
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the moment that's the manipulation game she's playing. So with him,
she's playing one game when I showed him take her out.
Then all of a sudden, she's trying to me, I
can't get away from the It's not like a kidnapped her,
you know, she can't get away from these people. What
the hell does that mean? But at the time. It
was still early on and I'm still thinking this Port
girl was so confused and messed up from all this.
But she's so drunk. So I said, I'm taking you home,
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and she's like, okay, But it didn't mean home to
my place, because as much as the story may sound
like I'm I'm a real creepy um, that's not what
I was. Gonna take her home to her home, which
is the flop house. Work able to have conjugal visits
with someone that's conscious, yeah, yeah, it would be better
if she was conscious. Yeah, So I get her in
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the car and she passes up, but in the vaccine
she passed out. I don't know where she lives. I
now it's in Long Beach, So I'm driving toward a
Long Beach and I keep reaching over the season like
she's as rachels, you have to tell me where you live,
and eventually she kind of mumbled out the address, and
somehow I've found it. I don't remember exactly, but I
get there and it's this weird little warehouse that they've
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converted to live in, which is her and her mother
and her father and her two older brothers and her
younger sister and her younger brother are all living in
this little weird converted warehouse and it's like a one
bedroom warehouse. I lost, like I was told. Yeah, yeah,
so it's like Mother Hubbard and the Shoe. It really is.
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I mean, they're living it's I hadn't been in it yet,
so I didn't know at that point, but it's it's
a bizarre living arrangement. It's bizarre. So I get her
as she's saying no, no, no, and no, you're you're
going home. So I take her out. I'm pounding on
the door. Nobody's answering at the back door, so I
go around to the front door, which is this weird
you know, opaque glass. It used to be like a
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storefront or a warehouse or something. Right, they look like
businesses from the front, right, Yeah. Yeah. Some pounding on
the front door, and I can hear a TV or
something on inside, but the kid no one answering the door.
What time would you say? This is? Oh god, that's
a good question. Okay, the show would get out at
tennish eleven twelve. It's probably one o'clock in the morning.
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One o'clock in the morning. Some I keep on. I'm
finally she like pulls away from me and goes running
up the street, and I thought, well, okay, how far
can she go? She can barely work, So I keep
pounding on the door, and finally I don't remember who
answered first, but her father's and his boxers, and her
sister's and a little sleeper and her mother's and like
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a nightgown, and they're all like, what's going on? And
I said, I brought Rachel homes. She's drunk out of
her mind and she should be home, and oh, where
is she? I said, she went running up the street.
So they come out and we're all trying, and we're
calling her and we're looking around and she he can't
find her, So you'll go back to the front of
the place again. And I'm gonna leave because I'm like,
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I don't know what to do. I've brought her home. Yeah,
And at that point her sister says, she's here. She's here,
So we all go running out of the bag and
Noah had come home and parked in the back, and
I guess she saw him from wherever she wasn't running
over to him, and they're sitting at the base of
a tree across the street and She's in his lap,
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must like she was in Dave's lab in the bar,
like the Trina's legs with her head on his chest
and he's petting her, and she's crying and crying and crying.
I'm out. I'm going home. Your home now, with your family.
They have your best interest to her, they'll take care
of him. It was bizarre. So I left him, went home,
and the next day she called me and she's very
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apologetic and she needs help getting her car and everything.
Now why her family couldn't help her, I don't know.
I don't know, but she needed to help. She need
to go get her car, and you know, So I
drove back down to Orange Can and we found her
car was parked not far from the bar. But she
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never keys, and she says, I think Dave took my
keys because I was drunk. I said, okay, So she
wants me to drive her to Dave's place. So it's
this apartment building. I drive over there and I was
amazed because she said, I don't want to get the keys.
I said, okay. She just walked in. There was no knocking,
there was no she just went over and walked in.
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She was in there for a while and she came
out and she's shaking her head. And when she said, well,
he wanted me to get in bed with him, what
what are you talking about? She's about I had to
tell him just here for the keys because he wanted
me to get in bed with them. So I had
to like just placed him to get the keys. I said,
what do you mean play him? She's well, just talked
to him. It was okay, So she got her keys.
And uh so that's a sense of that, like she's
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egging him on a bit. That's maybe she's leading him
on if he thinks that he has the right to
ask that. And you saw them in this comp amising
position when you showed up at the bar. Yeah, it
sounds like she was teasing him a bit. She was.
Absolutely She would flirt with him on the phone. He
would I mean I would be there and he would
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be sending her texts and she would start laughing and
I'd say, well, what are you sending back? And she said, well, yeah,
we can go for drinks that I'm not going to
f you. Why would you even write that because that's
all he wants, that's really what he wants. I said,
then why go at all, right, but you know, it
was weird. It's it's that, it's she gets attention. It's
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part of the manipulation and the and the power. Yeah,
you know, she's the star of the Little Uh Show,
you know. So that's that's how I met her parents.
Do you think that she had a similar dynamic with
John Randolph? Oh? Absolutely, Yeah. She admitted to making out
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with him on the couch while if Ilet was in
the kitchen making snacks. Wow. So I thought that was
a bizarre, she said, but nothing's ever going to happen
because I don't really like him that way. Okay, it
was bizarre. Another bizarre. I mean that the whole thing.
You know, the more more stories I heard, the more bizarre.
A god, you know. She stayed with the Randolphs for
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about a month after Dan was arrested, and Violet told
me that the day she finally threw her out was
the day Violet came home from work. Because Violet would
leave for work every day and and the two of
them would be left behind in the apartment. And I said,
where did where did Rachel sleep at night? And she
said in between us and the bed, And I said,
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and that's what she said, I said, I mean you
were married to John. How did you handle that? I mean,
that's a that's a long time to have, you know,
the Disney princess slash potential accomplice, the two murders, I mean,
sleeping in between you and your husband. How did you
handle that? And she said, well, you know, John is
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a bit of a narcissist and he pretty much ruled
the rous there and he wanted to basically stand by her.
He felt that there was this mob type mentality for
so many of the friends at cam to Martinique that
just completely were convinced she was involved and he was
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going to stand a part. He was the one with
the highest i Q. And he knew better. So so
she said, I kind of went along with it until
the day I came home from work and the bitch
said to me, you know, your ovens really filthy, And
she said, you're out of here. I thought that was
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just classic. Yeah, are they still together John and Violent?
No they're not. They're now officially divorced. Yeah, But I mean,
you have to do this circle of people. It's just
a bizarre circle of people, you know. I mean, you
have someone who insists on sleeping in bed between you
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and your husband every night. But the final straw, she
complains that your own's journey, there's something weird there, There's
something it's just a weird circle of people. It's like
the perfect storm all got together at those apartments. And
I think David Lynch would have a field day at
Camden Martinique. Yeah, I think. So. It felt like in
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many ways you were like a father figure to her.
To Rachel, I think probably in a lot of way.
I mean, make fun of me and go, oh, what's
the only day when with father with the daddy complexes,
um because of the eight events, but um, maybe. But
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she has such a weird dynamic with her own father.
I mean it's like I love hate relationship. She I
think she appreciates his bad boy stuff, but at the
same time, she's very religious, so she's got to hate
that stuff. But she has absolutely no respect for her mother,
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who's just a just a Jesus freak to the point
of being like mentally disturbed. So it's it's a yeah, maybe,
I don't know, I don't know, Yeah you did, you
did sort of expressed to me there was this duality
that she had emotionally with her dad, because you know,
one point, she detested him because he spent all of
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their money on prostitutes and gambling. And at the same time,
like you said, she could relate to that bad boy.
And you know when you said it just now, it
made me realize something. She may have hated him for
spending all the family's money because that affected her. The
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fact that he was doing prostitutes and gambling and having
an affair and screwing up her whole dad, I think
she admired. Had he been able to do without bankrupting
and causing her to move out of that nice house
into her brother's flophouse, I think she would have been
okay with it because it bankrupted them and cost her
that lifestyle. That was the bad part. Not that he's
doing prostitutes and screwing over her mother, that's okay, But money,
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I mean the money was you know, they had to
move out of that nice little house by the beach
and moving to her brother's flop house and had to
sleep on the couch, And how dare he do that
to her? That's what he did to the mom. That's
okay what he did to the mother, But how dare
be forced her to sleep on the couch in her
brother's flophouse. That sort of falls in line with what
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Fernando Perez's letter reflected. He was a jail house informant
that spoke to Dan at length and asked him how
how much Rachel knew and how involved was she in
the planning of these murders. And Daniel said to him
she knew, and not only did she know, but she
told me to do whatever I had to do to
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make them happy. So it doesn't matter about the behavior
or the act, or how heinous it might be, as
long as it impacted her in a positive way. Absolutely, yeah, definitely.
And the manipulation of Daniel. I never knew him, I've
never met him at the learning about him really obviously
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a lunatic, but the manipulation. She showed me pictures of
her in like a bikini or brown panties and stuff,
and she was she was getting these pictures taken because
she was telling Daniel he couldn't get the money, then
she'd get it, and she'd get it by doing porn
and and and that kind of stuff. And maybe on Craigslist,
you know, to do a prostitution. That's incredible. If you
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don't get the money for our honeymoon, I'm going to
do porn. Who wants to marry? That exactly, But they weren't,
you know, he even that That's that reminds me of
a of a very telling story that John Spath shared
with me. And he's Brittany Boudre's stepdad, and Brittany was
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the girlfriend of Daniel before Rachel and she. They also
Daniel cheated on Rachel while they were engaged with Brittany
went back to Brittany and they did a sex tape
and Rachel found it and threatened to leave Daniel, and
she found it just a few weeks before the murders.
So I think that's what jump started this whole hideous
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chapter of of their lives. But well, there's no there's
no better way to bind somebody to you than to
be involved in a murder plot with the money, you know,
that comes a pretty strong bond at the end of
that stuff. So about John Spath, he told me the
story about Dan coming down to see him on the
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weekend of the murders. It was Sunday, late afternoon, early evening,
and he said he really wanted to see him and
Brittany and her mom were up in San Francisco. They
were auditioning for American Idols. So John was on his
own down in their townhouse in Ladera Ranch, and so
he said, sure, come on down, We'll grill some steaks
and have some stogies. And Dan came down and and
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really opened up and said to him that he admired
John so much because he stood up for his family,
He protected his family. He you know, didn't let anybody
give him any ship, and he just thought of him
like a role model that he would have loved to
have been, but he wasn't because he said his whole life,
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women min populated him, controlled him, and he didn't have
the power to confront them or stand up to them.
And he was questioning, Yeah, he was questioning with John,
I don't know if I'm I'm making the right choice
by marrying Rachel. I'm wondering. I'm worried I'm making a mistake.
So I was like, you know, that was in essence
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sort of like a confession to you John, because he
had killed these these people, these you know, Sam Harry
and Julie Kabushi, with the idea that he was going
to get Sam's money and and take care of Rachel
and you know, bring her on this wonderful cruise and
she wouldn't have to you know, steal anymore or do
porn or whatever else. And he's going, I don't know
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if this is the right girl for me. But I
really felt that that was a very telling statement. That's fascinating, fascinating.
I don't, like I said about Dan, I don't think
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from I knew people who knew him and worked with
him in the little theater shows and stuff. I don't
think this ever would have happened without her. I don't
think he ever would have done anything. I think she
is capable of manipulating a weak person into doing just
about anything. So do you have any doubt that she
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was involved in the planning and execution of these murders? Well,
like I said, I would say, I'm positive that she did.
The one percent hesitation I have is that he has
never said, although you just said he said it to
a jail house informant, that she wasn't on the planning
right Jesus, So no. So now I guess I'm a
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d pretent sure, because my one percent hesitation is always
why doesn't he roll over? On her. He's in jail
with the death sentence. Why doesn't he jail? By the
way she helped me do it. I mean, as far
as anyone knows, she's abandoned him now. She said she
flipped them off at the last meeting and walked down.
I keep thinking, why wouldn't he But if he, if
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he did, if he's already admitted it from John House
and said no, I have have zero doubt because that
was my only doubt. And I think a lot of
not coming forward and rolling over on Rachel has to
do with protecting his brother. Tim wasn't act well. Yeah,
but speaking of a yes, could you? I think that
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one of the sole friends that Rachel had up until
recently was a woman by the name of Shana Adler. Yeah, yeah,
Shana briefly a little bit. She um it was supposedly
a horse person and that's like my my passionate life.
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So um, forget how it came about, but she ended
up she wanted to give riding lessons or horse trading
lessons or something, so somehow she ended up with a
horse and she came out here out to act. And
I don't know if we rode horses or she's got
and visited the horses. But the next day, now she's
got a horse and she's moving it out here to
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the place where our bird board my horses, and she's
going to start up this business and she's starting her
website and she's gonna do all the stuff with the horses.
And so I got to know where a little bit
through all that, and then I don't remember what turned
it all around, but she's speaking of narcissists. I mean,
she's one of those people where you have a conversation
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and you can say she can say, um, you know,
I had to really get breakfast this morning and say,
oh yeah, I had just get breakfast. My father died.
She said, oh, well I had eggs, and she's it's bizarre.
It's just a bizarre narcissism. But at one point I
thought maybe she can get her to stop drinking. And
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I talked to her about it and it was like,
she's an adult, she does what she wants. And I said,
well this is you know, still I'm still thinking she's
this innocent thing. I said, just a poor girl. She's
after all she's been through and all that, and she
kind of chuckled and said don't let her fool you.
She says, what is She's just responsible for what happened
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as anybody, And that blew me away. This is like
her her best friend, and she said it to you
so nonchalantly like that, like like she she was convinced
of it. She knew, she knew Rachel was just as responsible. Yeah,
that's what she said. And she told me stories about
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how what you said, we're called Taco Tuesdays. You know
that the drug induced parties there, and I guess her
boyfriend at the time or whatever was going over there
and she forbid him to go over. That place is
crazy now with its sex and drugs, and you can't
go over it anymore. So, Yeah, she knew what was
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going on, and that stuck in my head. That may
have been the turning point when I started to look
at this differently, wonder what more there was to it,
because her best friends said, don't let her food you.
She's just as responsible as anybody for what happened. Did
Shana elaborate on why she felt that way about Rachel. No,
And I tried to get her too elaborator, because there
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are many different interpretations of that She's just as responsible
because she was stupid and didn't know what was going on.
That could be one. She's just as responsible because she
knew what was going on but didn't stop it. She's
just as responsible because she helped do it. Who knows
what she meant by that, right, she didn't say. She
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didn't say Rachel was part of it, or Rachel did
it or anything like that. She said she's just as
responsible as anybody for what happened. But the fact that
she said that, don't fool yourself, I mean that was
the start of that. Right, don't kid yourself basically, right
that that sort of that sort of suggests that I
know you probably are going along thinking she's this innocent victim,
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but be careful, m M exactly. And Rachel was excited
because she introduced her to the guys she was going
to marry or something like that. So I don't know
whatever became of all that, But I don't really care.
What's gonna happen is gonna happen. I mean that everybody
knows what happened as a matter of proving it, and
I don't think they can until he rolls over, you
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know that would do it. Well, hopefully you know what
we share on this podcast, and what others learned from
guests like you that are willing to participate and share
their stories. Hopefully people can start connecting the dots and
maybe have a better sense of what really happened to
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Sam and Julie and where Rachel's role is in the
planning and exit usion of these tragic murders. If nothing else,
it will certainly make it easier or harder for her
to do it to someone else, To manipulate someone like that.
I mean, when when it's pretty must public knowledge who
and what she is, I think it would be harder
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for her to pull it off, because again, she's really
good at it up to a point. That's just a
fact that when a man looks at a pretty woman,
he wants to think the best. Well, there's what I'm saying.
There's ulterior motives to to that thought process. That's what
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I mean. He wants to think, Oh, this is gonna
be great, this is wonderful. Men forget to use the
head on top of their shoulders sometimes, well, all the
blood rushes from your brain to other parts of your body. Well,
and you know she's also told people that you know,
she'll be damned if she takes a deal or cops
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to a misdemeanor because he wants her book and movie.
You know that they're all calling her an actress and
and oh my god, she knows that she's got a
famous future, but quite frankly, I think that it's more
like an infamous future at best. Well, Tommy Harding finally
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got her movie. There you go a lot of good.
What would that say about our six society? Yes? Yes,
And I covered that story by the way that the
Toy Hardy story met her and talked to the FBI
and how much they had on her. Boy, when I
was watching that movie, I just kept barking at the screen.
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That's a lot that's not true. Well, Scott, I'm so
grateful you called in because these stories are all important.
You know, it's just like little nuggets, little pieces of
the puzzle that really helped shape the full picture. And
I thank you so much for making the effort to call.
Thank you because you're the one taking all the puzzle
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pieces and putting them all together and the spectacular what
you're doing to give people a clear picture of it.
Thank you so much, Scott. Okay, ma'am, have a good day.
You too right. Next week on Sleuth, you'll hear from
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another close inner circle friend of Rachel and Dan's, and
who we felt could have been an excellent potential state
witness for Rachel's trial. Audrey McVeigh was their third wheel
for most of the time Rachel and Dan were an
item up until the week before the murders. What was
it that she sensed that made her realize it was
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time to check out? Audrey McVeigh sits down exclusively with
Sleuth as she recounts chilling stories of the infamous couple
who Audrey at one time considered her dearest friends. If
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Welcome back to Sleuth. I'm Linda Sawyer. In this episode,
we feature part two of our interview with Rachel Buffett's
ex boyfriend, Scott Arrett. With so many stories filling his
years with Rachel, Scott called in after leaving our studio
(00:26):
to share a few additional memories he candidly revealed for
our listeners. Hello, Hello, how are you. It's Linda Sawyer
here from Sleuth. Hey. I just wanted to mention a
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few things that I've It's just a couple of things
I forgot to talk about because I think they're important.
Go right ahead. Well, we didn't talk about how I
met Rachel's parents, which is a bizarre story all in itself. Um,
I don't if you want to know better than of course. Um,
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it was pretty early on when we were seeing each other,
and I mean, I don't remember why, but for some reason,
meeting all times, it got me a hotel room right
across from the cancel down there to spend the night,
which they would do occasionally if I was doing something
like marketing it or something for them. And she got
all excited because we're staying in a nice hotel room
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or blah blah blah. So she wasn't working that night,
and I was doing the show and I was looking
forward to getting out the show, and she was in
the room over there, or at the pool or whatever,
having a good time. I got out of the show
over and she's not there. And there are all these
text messages on my phone about how she went up
to seeing karaoke and it was with I think we
talked about that girl at the Castle that she just
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glommed onto her and brought her into her circle. And
this is this poor girl had no clue about life
or what was going on next Sally, you know, she's
going to parties and showing off her boots for a
twenty bill because Rachel enjoyed doing that to her. So
she's with her. And she liked to exert power over
men and women, is what you're saying. Oh yeah, any
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control she can have over anybody, and especially it was
to get them to do things that are bizarre that
they wouldn't normally do because then she wins. She got
them to do that. So that's all part of the
manipulation thing that she loved to do. So much. So anyway,
she um, there were texts on my phone, and there
were a lot of them, and they were slowly Obviously
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she was getting pretty drunk from the text so I
tried calling her, I can get a hold of her.
Finally get I think I got a hold of her,
and she couldn't tell me where she was. And she
was with this girl from the Castle and Dave Barnhardt,
one of the circle of the Taco Tuesday people, you know, um,
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and they're singing karaoke somewhere and she's trying to tell
where she is. She wants me to come singing. You know,
I don't know where you are. I don't want to
go to a bar, but I'm gonna come get you
because you sound like you wasted. So she finally she
hands the phone to this other girl and she's kind
of telling me she doesn't know the name of the
you know, she's the neighbor of the place, but she
can tell me exactly where it was. So I'm trying
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to GPS by the name of the place, and to
make a long story short, I finally got there and
found the place and it's this seedy little dive bar
and I walk in and they're all sitting at a
table and there's some girl I don't know, there's the
girl from the castle, there's Rachel, and there's Dave and
Rachel is he's sitting in like a tall at one
of those tall tables and he sit on like stools,
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and so he's sitting on the tall stool and she's
kind of like between his legs with her head on
his chest, and he's playing with her ass and she's
basically passed out. So I went up and said, okay,
I'm going to take her home now, and he got
pretty belligerent. He's still sitting there, and I said, no,
she's she's going home now. And I looked at her
and I said you have to go home now, and
she's kind of incoherently saying yeah, yeah, whatever. And I
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said you want to go home and she said yes,
So okay, so I'm taking her home now, and he
got really kind of I forget, but he reached out
and I don't know if he pushed me or put
his arm on me or something, and I basically said,
if you touched me again, I'll rip your arm off
and beat you over the head with it. Um So
he was like territorial like a boyfriend. Oh yeah, yeah,
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And so he yells for for security to come over,
and the bar security comes over. This is what's going on.
I said, this girl is extraordinarily drunk. Is this bar
going to keep serving your alcohol? He said, you no, no,
it's great that I'm taking her home. So they've kind
of backed off because security was there and said to
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take her home. So I got I took her out
of the place, and we get out to the parking
lot and I don't know, cool air or something. She
came around a little bit and she's kind of sitting
there in the parking lot and she starts crying, and
she says, I just can't get away from these people.
And I realized I didn't realize then. I realized now
working back at it, that it's whoever she's with at
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the moment that's the manipulation game she's playing. So with him,
she's playing one game when I showed him take her out.
Then all of a sudden, she's trying to me, I
can't get away from the It's not like a kidnapped her,
you know, she can't get away from these people. What
the hell does that mean? But at the time. It
was still early on and I'm still thinking this Port
girl was so confused and messed up from all this.
But she's so drunk. So I said, I'm taking you home,
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and she's like, okay, But it didn't mean home to
my place, because as much as the story may sound
like I'm I'm a real creepy um, that's not what
I was. Gonna take her home to her home, which
is the flop house. Work able to have conjugal visits
with someone that's conscious, yeah, yeah, it would be better
if she was conscious. Yeah, So I get her in
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the car and she passes up, but in the vaccine
she passed out. I don't know where she lives. I
now it's in Long Beach, So I'm driving toward a
Long Beach and I keep reaching over the season like
she's as rachels, you have to tell me where you live,
and eventually she kind of mumbled out the address, and
somehow I've found it. I don't remember exactly, but I
get there and it's this weird little warehouse that they've
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converted to live in, which is her and her mother
and her father and her two older brothers and her
younger sister and her younger brother are all living in
this little weird converted warehouse and it's like a one
bedroom warehouse. I lost, like I was told. Yeah, yeah,
so it's like Mother Hubbard and the Shoe. It really is.
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I mean, they're living it's I hadn't been in it yet,
so I didn't know at that point, but it's it's
a bizarre living arrangement. It's bizarre. So I get her
as she's saying no, no, no, and no, you're you're
going home. So I take her out. I'm pounding on
the door. Nobody's answering at the back door, so I
go around to the front door, which is this weird
you know, opaque glass. It used to be like a
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storefront or a warehouse or something. Right, they look like
businesses from the front, right, Yeah. Yeah. Some pounding on
the front door, and I can hear a TV or
something on inside, but the kid no one answering the door.
What time would you say? This is? Oh god, that's
a good question. Okay, the show would get out at
tennish eleven twelve. It's probably one o'clock in the morning.
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One o'clock in the morning. Some I keep on. I'm
finally she like pulls away from me and goes running
up the street, and I thought, well, okay, how far
can she go? She can barely work, So I keep
pounding on the door, and finally I don't remember who
answered first, but her father's and his boxers, and her
sister's and a little sleeper and her mother's and like
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a nightgown, and they're all like, what's going on? And
I said, I brought Rachel homes. She's drunk out of
her mind and she should be home, and oh, where
is she? I said, she went running up the street.
So they come out and we're all trying, and we're
calling her and we're looking around and she he can't
find her, So you'll go back to the front of
the place again. And I'm gonna leave because I'm like,
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I don't know what to do. I've brought her home. Yeah,
And at that point her sister says, she's here. She's here,
So we all go running out of the bag and
Noah had come home and parked in the back, and
I guess she saw him from wherever she wasn't running
over to him, and they're sitting at the base of
a tree across the street and She's in his lap,
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must like she was in Dave's lab in the bar,
like the Trina's legs with her head on his chest
and he's petting her, and she's crying and crying and crying.
I'm out. I'm going home. Your home now, with your family.
They have your best interest to her, they'll take care
of him. It was bizarre. So I left him, went home,
and the next day she called me and she's very
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apologetic and she needs help getting her car and everything.
Now why her family couldn't help her, I don't know.
I don't know, but she needed to help. She need
to go get her car, and you know, So I
drove back down to Orange Can and we found her
car was parked not far from the bar. But she
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never keys, and she says, I think Dave took my
keys because I was drunk. I said, okay, So she
wants me to drive her to Dave's place. So it's
this apartment building. I drive over there and I was
amazed because she said, I don't want to get the keys.
I said, okay. She just walked in. There was no knocking,
there was no she just went over and walked in.
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She was in there for a while and she came
out and she's shaking her head. And when she said, well,
he wanted me to get in bed with him, what
what are you talking about? She's about I had to
tell him just here for the keys because he wanted
me to get in bed with them. So I had
to like just placed him to get the keys. I said,
what do you mean play him? She's well, just talked
to him. It was okay, So she got her keys.
And uh so that's a sense of that, like she's
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egging him on a bit. That's maybe she's leading him
on if he thinks that he has the right to
ask that. And you saw them in this comp amising
position when you showed up at the bar. Yeah, it
sounds like she was teasing him a bit. She was.
Absolutely She would flirt with him on the phone. He
would I mean I would be there and he would
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be sending her texts and she would start laughing and
I'd say, well, what are you sending back? And she said, well, yeah,
we can go for drinks that I'm not going to
f you. Why would you even write that because that's
all he wants, that's really what he wants. I said,
then why go at all, right, but you know, it
was weird. It's it's that, it's she gets attention. It's
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part of the manipulation and the and the power. Yeah,
you know, she's the star of the Little Uh Show,
you know. So that's that's how I met her parents.
Do you think that she had a similar dynamic with
John Randolph? Oh? Absolutely, Yeah. She admitted to making out
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with him on the couch while if Ilet was in
the kitchen making snacks. Wow. So I thought that was
a bizarre, she said, but nothing's ever going to happen
because I don't really like him that way. Okay, it
was bizarre. Another bizarre. I mean that the whole thing.
You know, the more more stories I heard, the more bizarre.
A god, you know. She stayed with the Randolphs for
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about a month after Dan was arrested, and Violet told
me that the day she finally threw her out was
the day Violet came home from work. Because Violet would
leave for work every day and and the two of
them would be left behind in the apartment. And I said,
where did where did Rachel sleep at night? And she
said in between us and the bed, And I said,
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and that's what she said, I said, I mean you
were married to John. How did you handle that? I mean,
that's a that's a long time to have, you know,
the Disney princess slash potential accomplice, the two murders, I mean,
sleeping in between you and your husband. How did you
handle that? And she said, well, you know, John is
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a bit of a narcissist and he pretty much ruled
the rous there and he wanted to basically stand by her.
He felt that there was this mob type mentality for
so many of the friends at cam to Martinique that
just completely were convinced she was involved and he was
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going to stand a part. He was the one with
the highest i Q. And he knew better. So so
she said, I kind of went along with it until
the day I came home from work and the bitch
said to me, you know, your ovens really filthy, And
she said, you're out of here. I thought that was
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just classic. Yeah, are they still together John and Violent?
No they're not. They're now officially divorced. Yeah, But I mean,
you have to do this circle of people. It's just
a bizarre circle of people, you know. I mean, you
have someone who insists on sleeping in bed between you
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and your husband every night. But the final straw, she
complains that your own's journey, there's something weird there, There's
something it's just a weird circle of people. It's like
the perfect storm all got together at those apartments. And
I think David Lynch would have a field day at
Camden Martinique. Yeah, I think. So. It felt like in
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many ways you were like a father figure to her.
To Rachel, I think probably in a lot of way.
I mean, make fun of me and go, oh, what's
the only day when with father with the daddy complexes,
um because of the eight events, but um, maybe. But
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she has such a weird dynamic with her own father.
I mean it's like I love hate relationship. She I
think she appreciates his bad boy stuff, but at the
same time, she's very religious, so she's got to hate
that stuff. But she has absolutely no respect for her mother,
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who's just a just a Jesus freak to the point
of being like mentally disturbed. So it's it's a yeah, maybe,
I don't know, I don't know, Yeah you did, you
did sort of expressed to me there was this duality
that she had emotionally with her dad, because you know,
one point, she detested him because he spent all of
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their money on prostitutes and gambling. And at the same time,
like you said, she could relate to that bad boy.
And you know when you said it just now, it
made me realize something. She may have hated him for
spending all the family's money because that affected her. The
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fact that he was doing prostitutes and gambling and having
an affair and screwing up her whole dad, I think
she admired. Had he been able to do without bankrupting
and causing her to move out of that nice house
into her brother's flophouse, I think she would have been
okay with it because it bankrupted them and cost her
that lifestyle. That was the bad part. Not that he's
doing prostitutes and screwing over her mother, that's okay, But money,
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I mean the money was you know, they had to
move out of that nice little house by the beach
and moving to her brother's flop house and had to
sleep on the couch, And how dare he do that
to her? That's what he did to the mom. That's
okay what he did to the mother, But how dare
be forced her to sleep on the couch in her
brother's flophouse. That sort of falls in line with what
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Fernando Perez's letter reflected. He was a jail house informant
that spoke to Dan at length and asked him how
how much Rachel knew and how involved was she in
the planning of these murders. And Daniel said to him
she knew, and not only did she know, but she
told me to do whatever I had to do to
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make them happy. So it doesn't matter about the behavior
or the act, or how heinous it might be, as
long as it impacted her in a positive way. Absolutely, yeah, definitely.
And the manipulation of Daniel. I never knew him, I've
never met him at the learning about him really obviously
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a lunatic, but the manipulation. She showed me pictures of
her in like a bikini or brown panties and stuff,
and she was she was getting these pictures taken because
she was telling Daniel he couldn't get the money, then
she'd get it, and she'd get it by doing porn
and and and that kind of stuff. And maybe on Craigslist,
you know, to do a prostitution. That's incredible. If you
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don't get the money for our honeymoon, I'm going to
do porn. Who wants to marry? That exactly, But they weren't,
you know, he even that That's that reminds me of
a of a very telling story that John Spath shared
with me. And he's Brittany Boudre's stepdad, and Brittany was
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the girlfriend of Daniel before Rachel and she. They also
Daniel cheated on Rachel while they were engaged with Brittany
went back to Brittany and they did a sex tape
and Rachel found it and threatened to leave Daniel, and
she found it just a few weeks before the murders.
So I think that's what jump started this whole hideous
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chapter of of their lives. But well, there's no there's
no better way to bind somebody to you than to
be involved in a murder plot with the money, you know,
that comes a pretty strong bond at the end of
that stuff. So about John Spath, he told me the
story about Dan coming down to see him on the
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weekend of the murders. It was Sunday, late afternoon, early evening,
and he said he really wanted to see him and
Brittany and her mom were up in San Francisco. They
were auditioning for American Idols. So John was on his
own down in their townhouse in Ladera Ranch, and so
he said, sure, come on down, We'll grill some steaks
and have some stogies. And Dan came down and and
(18:36):
really opened up and said to him that he admired
John so much because he stood up for his family,
He protected his family. He you know, didn't let anybody
give him any ship, and he just thought of him
like a role model that he would have loved to
have been, but he wasn't because he said his whole life,
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women min populated him, controlled him, and he didn't have
the power to confront them or stand up to them.
And he was questioning, Yeah, he was questioning with John,
I don't know if I'm I'm making the right choice
by marrying Rachel. I'm wondering. I'm worried I'm making a mistake.
So I was like, you know, that was in essence
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sort of like a confession to you John, because he
had killed these these people, these you know, Sam Harry
and Julie Kabushi, with the idea that he was going
to get Sam's money and and take care of Rachel
and you know, bring her on this wonderful cruise and
she wouldn't have to you know, steal anymore or do
porn or whatever else. And he's going, I don't know
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if this is the right girl for me. But I
really felt that that was a very telling statement. That's fascinating, fascinating.
I don't, like I said about Dan, I don't think
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from I knew people who knew him and worked with
him in the little theater shows and stuff. I don't
think this ever would have happened without her. I don't
think he ever would have done anything. I think she
is capable of manipulating a weak person into doing just
about anything. So do you have any doubt that she
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was involved in the planning and execution of these murders? Well,
like I said, I would say, I'm positive that she did.
The one percent hesitation I have is that he has
never said, although you just said he said it to
a jail house informant, that she wasn't on the planning
right Jesus, So no. So now I guess I'm a
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d pretent sure, because my one percent hesitation is always
why doesn't he roll over? On her. He's in jail
with the death sentence. Why doesn't he jail? By the
way she helped me do it. I mean, as far
as anyone knows, she's abandoned him now. She said she
flipped them off at the last meeting and walked down.
I keep thinking, why wouldn't he But if he, if
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he did, if he's already admitted it from John House
and said no, I have have zero doubt because that
was my only doubt. And I think a lot of
not coming forward and rolling over on Rachel has to
do with protecting his brother. Tim wasn't act well. Yeah,
but speaking of a yes, could you? I think that
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one of the sole friends that Rachel had up until
recently was a woman by the name of Shana Adler. Yeah, yeah,
Shana briefly a little bit. She um it was supposedly
a horse person and that's like my my passionate life.
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So um, forget how it came about, but she ended
up she wanted to give riding lessons or horse trading
lessons or something, so somehow she ended up with a
horse and she came out here out to act. And
I don't know if we rode horses or she's got
and visited the horses. But the next day, now she's
got a horse and she's moving it out here to
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the place where our bird board my horses, and she's
going to start up this business and she's starting her
website and she's gonna do all the stuff with the horses.
And so I got to know where a little bit
through all that, and then I don't remember what turned
it all around, but she's speaking of narcissists. I mean,
she's one of those people where you have a conversation
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and you can say she can say, um, you know,
I had to really get breakfast this morning and say,
oh yeah, I had just get breakfast. My father died.
She said, oh, well I had eggs, and she's it's bizarre.
It's just a bizarre narcissism. But at one point I
thought maybe she can get her to stop drinking. And
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I talked to her about it and it was like,
she's an adult, she does what she wants. And I said,
well this is you know, still I'm still thinking she's
this innocent thing. I said, just a poor girl. She's
after all she's been through and all that, and she
kind of chuckled and said don't let her fool you.
She says, what is She's just responsible for what happened
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as anybody, And that blew me away. This is like
her her best friend, and she said it to you
so nonchalantly like that, like like she she was convinced
of it. She knew, she knew Rachel was just as responsible. Yeah,
that's what she said. And she told me stories about
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how what you said, we're called Taco Tuesdays. You know
that the drug induced parties there, and I guess her
boyfriend at the time or whatever was going over there
and she forbid him to go over. That place is
crazy now with its sex and drugs, and you can't
go over it anymore. So, Yeah, she knew what was
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going on, and that stuck in my head. That may
have been the turning point when I started to look
at this differently, wonder what more there was to it,
because her best friends said, don't let her food you.
She's just as responsible as anybody for what happened. Did
Shana elaborate on why she felt that way about Rachel. No,
And I tried to get her too elaborator, because there
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are many different interpretations of that She's just as responsible
because she was stupid and didn't know what was going on.
That could be one. She's just as responsible because she
knew what was going on but didn't stop it. She's
just as responsible because she helped do it. Who knows
what she meant by that, right, she didn't say. She
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didn't say Rachel was part of it, or Rachel did
it or anything like that. She said she's just as
responsible as anybody for what happened. But the fact that
she said that, don't fool yourself, I mean that was
the start of that. Right, don't kid yourself basically, right
that that sort of that sort of suggests that I
know you probably are going along thinking she's this innocent victim,
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but be careful, m M exactly. And Rachel was excited
because she introduced her to the guys she was going
to marry or something like that. So I don't know
whatever became of all that, But I don't really care.
What's gonna happen is gonna happen. I mean that everybody
knows what happened as a matter of proving it, and
I don't think they can until he rolls over, you
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know that would do it. Well, hopefully you know what
we share on this podcast, and what others learned from
guests like you that are willing to participate and share
their stories. Hopefully people can start connecting the dots and
maybe have a better sense of what really happened to
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Sam and Julie and where Rachel's role is in the
planning and exit usion of these tragic murders. If nothing else,
it will certainly make it easier or harder for her
to do it to someone else, To manipulate someone like that.
I mean, when when it's pretty must public knowledge who
and what she is, I think it would be harder
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for her to pull it off, because again, she's really
good at it up to a point. That's just a
fact that when a man looks at a pretty woman,
he wants to think the best. Well, there's what I'm saying.
There's ulterior motives to to that thought process. That's what
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I mean. He wants to think, Oh, this is gonna
be great, this is wonderful. Men forget to use the
head on top of their shoulders sometimes, well, all the
blood rushes from your brain to other parts of your body. Well,
and you know she's also told people that you know,
she'll be damned if she takes a deal or cops
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to a misdemeanor because he wants her book and movie.
You know that they're all calling her an actress and
and oh my god, she knows that she's got a
famous future, but quite frankly, I think that it's more
like an infamous future at best. Well, Tommy Harding finally
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got her movie. There you go a lot of good.
What would that say about our six society? Yes? Yes,
And I covered that story by the way that the
Toy Hardy story met her and talked to the FBI
and how much they had on her. Boy, when I
was watching that movie, I just kept barking at the screen.
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That's a lot that's not true. Well, Scott, I'm so
grateful you called in because these stories are all important.
You know, it's just like little nuggets, little pieces of
the puzzle that really helped shape the full picture. And
I thank you so much for making the effort to call.
Thank you because you're the one taking all the puzzle
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pieces and putting them all together and the spectacular what
you're doing to give people a clear picture of it.
Thank you so much, Scott. Okay, ma'am, have a good day.
You too right. Next week on Sleuth, you'll hear from
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another close inner circle friend of Rachel and Dan's, and
who we felt could have been an excellent potential state
witness for Rachel's trial. Audrey McVeigh was their third wheel
for most of the time Rachel and Dan were an
item up until the week before the murders. What was
it that she sensed that made her realize it was
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time to check out? Audrey McVeigh sits down exclusively with
Sleuth as she recounts chilling stories of the infamous couple
who Audrey at one time considered her dearest friends. If
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