100 Words: A Conversation with Andrew Cannon (Santa Cruz Skateboards/Worship)

Today is a special episode with my friend, Andrew Cannon. He’s the brand manager from Santa Cruz Skateboards as well as singing for an incredible band called Worship. We get deep and philosophical about the origin of his love for independent music, health, and, of all things, our DNA. I am really glad we got to paint with a broad brush in this episode and hope you enjoy! 

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Have you ever thought about how incredibly complex I spit is.
It may only be water, but just aliva isn't simple.
That remaining one percent holds incredibly meaningful information that could
change everything. And I'm not just talking about your family treat.
I'm barrittun Day Thurston and on this season of Spit

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and I Heart Radio podcast with twenty three and Me,
we explore how DNA isn't just about ancestry, it can
also be key to understanding your health YO with barrettun Day,
Welcome back. What I love about this season of Spit
is that we get to hear from different people with
different perspectives and from all walks of life. Take this

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next episode, for example, Ray Harkins of the podcast On
Words or Less sits with this good friend Andrew Cannon,
a skateboarder, brand manager at Santa Cruz Skateboards and the
lead vocalist for the band were Tip. These two geek
out in a candid conversation about connecting to others through music,
the power of healing, and the importance of understanding one's

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health as a way to take control of your life.
You'll hear Ray and Andrew share their excitement and enthusiasm
for the twenty three and Me traite reports, taking you
along for the ride as they share some of the
insights they gathered from these discoveries. Who is more likely
to turn red when drinking alcohol? Who is less likely
to have a fear of public speaking? What percentage Neanderthal

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DNA are you? What Ray and Andrew discussed is only
the beginning of what we can learn from taking the
twenty three and me test. There's so much more to
discover when it comes to your health, information that could
change the way you live your life. As Ray himself says,
the reports can be enlightening in so many different ways
and can inform a lot of choices you make as

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it relates to your health. So let's check it out.

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You're listening to a hundred Words or Less with Ray Harkins.
Hello you podcast humans. Thank you very much for downloading
this special episode. This is a bonus drop for all
you find people out there. And uh, I'm incredibly excited
because twenty three and Me is sponsoring this episode and
I got to do something pretty unique. I mean, it

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is definitely a conversation with a person that is involved
in independent music that that core still exists, but we
were able to talk a lot about things that frankly,
I just don't get to talk about within the context
of this podcast. So here let me spell it out
for you. So I have Andrew Cannon on the episode today.
Andrew Cannon is the brand manager at Santa Cruz Skateboards.

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He's also the lead vocalist for an amazing band called Worship.
You need to find them in all the street platforms.
If you're a fan of heavy music, you absolutely will
love Worship. But Andrew and I both took a twenty
three and me tests. We've actually both previously have gone
through that process, not only from the um you know,
the health side of things and the ancestry side of things,

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but we were just really curious about what this report
would tell about us, and um it was. I mean,
it's incredible. The the amount of information that you're able
to find out via your DNA is U is really
really cool. And of course a lot of people that
go through these tests are curious about their ancestry, and

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we talk a little bit about that. But then just
the fact that you can find so many different elements
of your health that is contained within your d n
A is so cool, and this report is enlightening and
so many different respects and can inform a lot of
choices that you make in the future from your health
and everything else that's you know, wrapped up in that.

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So yeah, I was excited to talk about this because
I personally I believe the more information that you have
about who you are as an individual, not only from
a personality perspective, but then genetics please a huge partner.
And so I was incredibly excited to work with twenty
three and Me and team up with them to bring
you this particular episode. Andrew and I talk about our

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own musical d n A where we just basically nerd
out about how we got into independent music, and I
talked to Andrew a lot about that, and then we
we wax philosophic about a lot of different elements within um,
you know, just kind of why we live our lives
and why we want to know as much as humanly
possible about who we are as humans. So it's a

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real fun one and we do get hetty in a
positive way. And uh yeah, I'm just incredibly excited to
bring you this special episode that is sponsored by twenty
three and Me. So check out the conversation with Andrew
and I will talk to you at the end of
the episode. You've dope into my life via the Internet,

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like many friendships that start these days. And once I
started to become, you know, aware of not only your background,
but then the fact that you are, you are such
an unabashed fan of music. And it makes me so
happy because I think that there's a lot of people
that are maybe a little more like, oh yeah, like
I like bands and stuff, but you're like, yo, I

(05:30):
like bands and that's and I where where does that
come from? Like? Is it just the fact that, like,
whatever you've been into, you want to make sure like
everybody knows that, not in an annoying way or maybe
an annoying way. I don't know, but I mean it depends,
you know. I think for me, my dad was a
big music fan growing up. He was actually just out
here visiting and it was so much fun too. I

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went and bought all these like used Yes records and
Genesis records and stuff like that. Um, because I was
like what my dad. I grew up listening to that
with my dad in the basement, and uh so I
think I get the love of music, But my mom
also loves music, like I just grew up around people
that really liked it. But my dad is a nerd
sort of like I am. Where you'll be listening to

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a song and he kind of does that like oh
this part, you know, and uh and so I think
I just I think his own personal passion with music
sort of informed me to feel comfortable like loving those
little things. Um and honestly, I just think the coolest.
So you know, we're talking social media base here. Like

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absolutely people could be like, oh, that's annoying or whatever,
but that's literally the purpose of social media. And for
myself personally, I value it so much because the amount
of people that share music with me it's fantastic. Like
people will just randomly DM me and be like hey,
check out my band, and I'm like awesome, thank you.

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And sometimes it's just like a small ep they're super
good or whatever. But for me, I'm like social media
literally supposed to be social. It's not a one sided thing,
like hey, here's what I'm into. I love finding out
what people are into. I love when people share stuff
with me. I think it's a really fun process. But um,
I just love music. I mean, it makes me feel

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so much and because of that, I mean, I act
very much on feeling as a human being, and so
to be able to share that with someone and hope
that someone else could maybe have that experience is so cool,
you know, right, that's very valuable. I like what you
articulated there in regards to It's like those little moments

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and those things that gets you hooked on, whether it's
a band or a song or those are the things
because you, especially like you're talking about, as a kid,
you have no autonomy. I mean, yes, you're making some
decisions on your own, but you're usually subjected to whatever
it is your surroundings are. And to have that I

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like prism that you're viewing it through of like oh,
my dad gets stoked at this drum part, like okay,
and then that's kind of where it goes from there,
where you're like, Okay, maybe I'll pay attention to drums
first because that's what I saw, like my dad's breaking
out about or my mom really gravitating towards Yeah. And
I just think that the cool music is so cool

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because it connects people in different ways. Um, this is
like a silly story, but um, I'll never forget like,
so when I when I got into like heavier music,
it started off with corn. And uh I remember I
went to the wall and I bought like a um
they sold it to me even though it had parental advisory,
and I bought like a corn tape right, and I
think I got Life is Peache first, And uh I

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remember I was at the Orthodonist office and I saw
like our old neighbor and he was like probably ten
years older than me, and he was like, hey man,
and I was sitting next to my mom. He's like,
what kind of music? And I was like, oh, I like,
you know, like maybe heavier stuff or I was like
I really like Rage against the Machine. And he was like, dude,
have you ever heard of Corn? If you haven't, you
need to listen. And I remember sitting on that couch

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with my mom next to me and being like I
can't say yes, I've heard of them, because then she'll
know that I have this tape she doesn't know about
it's parental advisory. And so the coolest thing about music
is anyone can connect on music, you know, like it
doesn't matter, Like I can talk to my dad about Genesis,
I could talk to someone younger I could talk to
people about all kinds of stuff, and I love things

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that sort of break those barriers from like an age perspective,
just because I do, you know, I love connecting with
people that are older than me. And I think it's
such a great segue into learning cool life lessons and
stuff like that. So um, I love that. I love
that part of it all. Yeah, and I think and
I know this sounds like just like the most cheesiest

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transition at all possible, but just like that's and I
think that's what you know, I mean, what we're talking about,
just like you know, musical d N a like human DNA,
like the connectivity that you feel and when you discover
more not only about yourself through um, you know, these
these these tests you do, whether it's like, Okay, i'm

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gonna sample this record and I'm gonna not like that,
but then I'm gonna try this other record and I
really like that, And it's not like you can articulate that.
It's just that exactly what you're talking about, that reaction.
But then at the same time, a whole community opens
up if you are into that piece of music. Yeah,
And I feel like we're existing in such a cool

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moment right now. And I know I keep talking about
social media, but um, working in the skateboarding industry, like
we've seen so much cool connectivity about skateboarding and about
you know, different communities forming and sort of going against
what has been the case in skateboarding, you know, and

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we really see it in like, um, you know, the
queer skateboarding community and stuff like that, and it's so
cool to see all these people connecting are on stuff
they're psyched on, you know, and you can be psyched
on like whether it's you know, like bedroom style rap
or whatever it is. Like there's it's so cool that

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people can just be like, you know what, I'm interested
in this and they can put it out there in
the world. People can connect on it and just be
like you can just make friends everywhere, and I just
love that, you know, sure, and the and to your
point too, like the world becomes so much smaller and
when you have those common touch points, like you're talking
about whether you can relate to a person who's older, younger,

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it doesn't matter you know, where they came from anything,
as long as you have that that commonality of just
like oh yes, I like this band, I like this artist.
So that's that is your little entry point and the
world becomes so much smaller because of it. Yea, And yeah,
I love that part. I think it's so much fun.
I love I love I love being able to put

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out there the things that you're about and then seeing
other people that are like, whoa, I'm into all that
same stuff, and then so quickly you can get together,
like you know, you and I like got together it
went golfing and had fun and just talked and it
was just super enjoyable, you know, because you were like, oh,
there's so many different connective points here, and it's like,
all right, so we share a lot of these common

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ideologies and you know, I feel like, UM, when you
are able to do that, it's just it allows for
these really cool connections that you never would have had. Um.
And I think a big part of that is sort
of being vulnerable and putting out there the things that
you're psyched on, even if it's cheesy or even if um,

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other people might be like, I don't know, that's whack,
and you're like, it's just who I am. I'm kind
of whack. Yeah, You're like, you know what, I can't
change me bro, I'm not exactly sitting here trying to
pretend I'm that cool. I'm just me, you know, totally
totally and kind of on that topic. The uh, once
you started to get introduced to music that I guess

(13:02):
wasn't your parents and wasn't being played on the radio,
how did how did that transpire? Oh? Man, um, it
was always funny, just uh, my parents didn't understand it.
They were not stoked on it, um and it wasn't
like they were bum But I'll never forget. I think
I was in I don't remember if it was like
middle school or high school, but I was into all

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the like kind of the new metal stuff that got
introduced to me. You know, because I'm so envious of
people that grow up now with Spotify and YouTube because
they can just find everything and go down crazy rabbit holes.
I mean, I think there's something about the search that
was really fun growing up. But you know there's a
lot of bands, like even like punk bands and stuff

(13:44):
where people will share it and I'm like, I just
never got into it when I was younger because I
didn't have the CD um and so for me it
was I think I started off getting into like punk
stuff with like Descendants and stuff like that. Um, and
my parents were they didn't mind all of that, but
I think it was once I started getting into the

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louder sort of screaming stuff where they were like, mmm,
I don't know about this, but I'll never forget. Like, uh,
I wanted to go see Cold Chamber with some of
my friends in high school. They had like a little
new metal band and stuff, and uh, my dad was
just like, absolutely not, you are not going to that.

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So you got shut down. I got shut down. But
you know I was able to go to like hardcore
shows and stuff like that, and uh, you know, seeing
bands like Bain and Boy Sets Fire and stuff like that,
and that you know, really changed my life. Sure. Sure,
And how how was that stuff like coming into you
because I know clearly skateboarding has been a very large
part of your life as well, And so were you

(14:46):
getting introduced to bands via that or was it kind
of just like your group of friends that kept bringing
records your direction? It was a mixed bag. So like, um,
A really good example is the first time I ever
heard Refused, and I had never heard music like refused um,
and it was in a Woodward video, So I would,
I like would go to Woodward Camp UM when I

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was like in middle school. I went a few times.
I was like super lucky, and uh, they would send
you a video to get you psyched, like a VHS, like, hey,
here's what happened last summer, get ready for next summer,
and I'll never forget. It was actually in like one
of the BMX dirt Jump sections um, but they had
new noise by Refused and the way his vocals were,

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I was like, I don't know what this is, but
I think this is the best song I've ever heard
in my entire life, and it blew my mind. So
it was a little bit of a mix of some
of the skate videos still had some punk stuff in it.
And then I would just go to shows with people
in our zone and you know, growing up in Westchester, Pennsylvania,

(15:50):
like right around that area, it was pretty awesome for that,
like being able to go into Philadelphia with you know,
some of the older kids, and my parents were very
trust thing of me, UM, and so I would get
to go into Philadelphia, or i'd get to go to
like you know, uh, like one of the That's All
shows or whatever in like Delaware. You know the different

(16:11):
zones in p A, and uh so I heard a
lot of new bands that way too, Like Baying for
Me was a band that I hadn't really heard of,
and I went to see Boysets Fire and being opened
up for them and their hands down one of my
favorite bands of all time. And it that like set
that night like changed my life completely, you know, right, Yeah,

(16:34):
I love that notion of, you know, seeing an opening
band that is just so unsuspect, like you have no clue,
and then you see everyone else's reaction and then you
can't help but not be moved or you know, want
to engage in the art in some way. And yeah,
just at that point, you're like, oh so now I

(16:54):
like this band as well as the band that I
came to see. And you know, I'm you're just going
to a bazillion shows and stuff like that. You've probably
done the same, but like at one point I had
to kind of remind myself, like, dude, you need to
go and watch some of these new bands, because you know,
my schedule gets crazy. So I would be like, Okay,
I'm gonna go. I'll be there at you know, I'll

(17:15):
watch this band for forty five minutes and then I'm
gonna go home, you know. Um, But there is magic
to going to see openers and stuff like that to
just get excited about new music. And you know, you
mentioned this, like just being excited about music. That's one
thing that is so interesting to me. Like I'll talk
to some people that like hardcore, like metal, and it's

(17:39):
so funny when they're like, I only listen to these records.
I don't like to listen to new stuff, and I'm like, man,
can you imagine being like, yeah, I only eat pizza.
Hut pizza. It's just the only thing that I'll ever
eat because it's what I've been eating for twenty years.
And you're like, dude, there's so much better pizza out there,
you know. Um. So it's kind of crazy to me

(18:01):
the way that people shut that down because the accessibility
of music and the opportunities for people to learn how
to play instruments and be influenced by so many different things.
I mean, the music that is coming out right now
is phenomenal in my personal opinion. You know, yeah, totally.
Just the idea of calcifying. I mean, to your point,

(18:23):
it does take effort and you have to go through
the deliberate choice of you know, going to a show
on time. Like you said, all of these things that
you are, you know, you take for granted when you're
young because it's just like you have nothing but time,
and then when you have to actually put work into it. Honestly,

(18:43):
it's your exactly what you're saying. Where I almost find
more value out of it now because I feel like
there's more. Even though music is more easily accessible than
it ever has been, there it still takes digging. You
gotta you gotta know where to look, you know. But
that's again, and I go back to social media on

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just being this awesome opportunity for people to share, and
it is so much fun to have somebody send you
something or you know. One of the things that I
love is I follow all these people from bands that
are super you know, nice or maybe I don't know
them or whatever, but it is so cool when all
of a sudden, it's like eight people are posting the

(19:25):
same thing and I'm immediately like, all right, I gotta listen,
and I think, uh, the last example of that was that, um,
I think it's Foreign Hands. Oh yeah, yeah, dude, what
a good album? Like it is so good and so
for me. I love that, Like I love being able
to sort of see what people, um people are talking

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about and then go oh, I'm gonna dive in. Honestly,
I think, um the person that has the like ten
out of ten every time. Uh. And I haven't met
Jeremy Baum um, but he is like his opinion on
music in my personal like from my personal view, I'm like, man,
he just knocks it out of the park. It's such

(20:08):
a big music guy that I haven't gone wrong with
any suggestion he's put out there yet. You know, right,
you're like you are by musical Kindred Spirits, and I
get where you're coming from. And yeah, no, it's it
is fun to exactly what you're talking about, be able
to navigate and in the same way that you know
back in the day quote unquote where it was like

(20:29):
you know, zene culture and people really focused on reviews
and once you started to follow a person's opinion, whether
it was like a actual, you know, full zine that
you were consuming from one person, or whether it was
just like, oh, I really like this this guy's reviews
or this girl's reviews, like I'm gonna follow along with
that it's the same idea, except now it's just like

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you said, it's much easier to dip in and recommend
music that way. Absolutely, absolutely so kind of on that
similar topic where it's just you know, you are are
discovering more of yourself and you are wanting to, um,
you know, just be aware of obviously the world around you,
what you got into, you know, skateboarding. I know you

(21:10):
you know, pursued it professionally, and obviously it's the industry
that you've worked in for many years. Um, when did
you kind of start to I guess I've noticed who
you were as as a person, you know, just as
far as like, oh yeah, my general disposition is like
oh I'm either you know, mad or happy like all
those I guess kind of emotions. When did you start

(21:31):
to recognize that yourself? Honestly, I think it was probably
in my twenties. But I'll never forget my good friend
Mike Leslie when we were when I was like sixteen,
he um was a filmer and he worked for the
skate shop, and at one point he was like, honestly, dude,
I know you're always happy and you're like stoked, but

(21:51):
just so you know, like sometimes that comes off cocky
two people, and I was like, oh, okay, Like I
thought I was just being friendly, you know. Um. So
I think that I always knew that, like my overall
attitude was a little more positive than a lot of
other folks out there. But I would say that it
probably wasn't until I was in my twenties. Um. And

(22:12):
you know when I when I got sober, because I
drank um in my early twenties and I've always had
kind of a not like a badly I've just had
a bad relationship with alcohol, and it wasn't who I was.
And that was a big piece of like actually stopping drinking.
Was like I don't love the person I become when
I drank, because I'm far more proud of the person

(22:33):
I am on a regular basis, like being positive and
looking at the bright side and um, you know, being nice. Um.
And when I drank, I was just a really selfish
individual and I didn't like it. Um. And so that
was twelve years ago that I stopped drinking. But I
think once that changed, it really helped me to like
get in touch with myself and who I was and um.

(22:55):
And then honestly, even in the last few years. Um,
just like doing therapy and stuff like that. UM helped
me a lot with being more vulnerable and UM, because
I was always the guy that you'd be like, hey,
how are you doing? And I was like, oh, I'm fine,
things are good. And I had friends tell me like,
you know, we'd catch up. Um, we'd catch up, how

(23:15):
are you doing? Oh I'm good now, man six months
ago that when we talked last if, I was in
it and they're like, yeah, but Andrew, when we talked
six months ago, you said everything was fine. And I'm like, oh, uh, yeah,
I know I was in a tough spot or whatever.
And so, UM, the last few years, like three or
four years, I definitely have been working on being more
open and vulnerable and sort of honest with my emotions.

(23:38):
And so honestly, I would say even into my thirties,
it really took me time to become the person that
I am proud of, you know. Yeah, yeah, And I think,
I mean, you know that whatever that's saying of it's
not about the destination. It's the journey. And I you
know that's a whatever, a cliche. But at the same point,
like that, you always kind of gathering information about yourself,

(24:03):
whether it's your own personal taste or whether it's like
just the you know, internal inventory that we all do
or you hopefully do on yourself, because like you said,
they're definitely people that you meet and run across that
just you know, stick their head in this end and
it's just like oh yeah, like whatever, it's I'll just
I'll get through it. And there's no um, there's no

(24:24):
internal audit, like you're not honest with themselves first and foremost,
and then in turn it's not easy for them to
be honest with others. And it's not fun. No, No,
it's true. It's not fun always, you know. I mean, um,
it is super difficult and really being able to like
take that step back and look at yourself critically, um,
you know, and you can also be kind to yourself

(24:45):
and be like, oh, you know what I do like
this about myself and that is what makes me special
or whatever. Um, but it is not a fun process.
But I highly recommend it for anyone out there who
just because it is huge, you know, being able to
be happy with yourself. I feel, you know, not to
get way too deep, but it's like, man, we get
one shot at this life and It's a big reason

(25:07):
why people are like you do a lot of stuff,
or you have a lot of hobbies or whatever. And
I'm like, yeah, because I'm gonna die, Like there's gonna
be a point where I don't get to do anything.
So I'm trying to suck the marrow out of life
the best I can. You know, of course you're supposed to.
You're you're dead poets society ing it exactly. It's I

(25:27):
just feel like, um, that's the we are all so
fortunate to get to be here and living in this time.
And I know there's a lot of crazy ship going
on in the world, and I'm not trying to put
that aside, but when you step back and you're able
to go, Okay, what are the things that I can
control within the scope of my life, It's like, man,
it is magical that we're here right now and that

(25:49):
we get to, you know, chat about life, and we
get to go to concerts and we get like I
get to go skateboarding and talk about skateboarding for work,
and you know, it's like life, life is pretty amazing,
you know, and we get to share so many wonderful
things with people, and I think that, um, Unfortunately a
lot of people struggle to connect with that just because

(26:09):
there is so much going on. Um, but that's where
I do think like therapy and just kind of taking
a look at your own life is really nice because again,
we're only here one time and are our time frame
is relatively limited, so you know, you have to enjoy it. Yeah, absolutely,
and and I mean I think that was very articulately

(26:31):
put and I think that can dovetail nicely into the
idea of just you know, the DNA testing. And obviously,
you know, one of the reasons why we're here chatting
about this is because we've both you know, did the
twenty three of ME test. And I'm sure there's a
wide variety of reasons why people do that, whether it's

(26:51):
you know, they're curious about their ancestry or health or
whatever the case may be. What was uh, I guess
your entry point to like wanting to do that in
the first place. Was it just the fact that you
wanted to discover more about you know, your health than
where you came from and stuff. Um, well, so my um,
my ex wife and I definitely like she we had

(27:11):
talked about how cool it would be, you know, Um,
and so I think it was like a holiday it was.
And she was like, oh, I got us these kids,
and I was like, sick, let's do this um. And
so we went through like we went and did the
whole spit test whatever um, and then you get the results.
And it was super fun because, uh, when I would
talk to my parents about like, oh, where are we

(27:33):
from whatever, they'd be like, yeah, we're just like you know,
like Western European. And I was like that's not a
good answer. You know, I don't really know um. So
for me, it was really fun to take a look
at this. I'm also really intrue, like I'm personally really
interested in uh like all the personality test stuff and everything.
I'm like, I want to know what makes me tick um,

(27:55):
And I want to know like, Okay, what am I?
Why do I feel certain things? And there's so much
cool there's so much cool information out there, you know
that can help you to kind of like when you
do look at yourself from like a bigger picture standpoint
to grow and stuff. It's like it's fun to take
those tests and stuff. So the twenty three and Me
thing was a really good example of being able to

(28:17):
be like, oh, let me, let me look at some
of this stuff, you know. Yeah, no, and I think
it's really it's engaging no matter which way you look
at it, whether it is like you said, just the
you know kind of ancestry, or whether it's just the
idea of what more information can I find out about
myself that can lead me to you know, become a

(28:42):
better person, or just frankly no more about the way
that I internally tick because you know, to your point
of in regards to you know, watching your dad reactive music,
Like there is that idea of you know, environment versus
you know, inherited genetics and all of that mixes into
a stud together that makes us as human beings. And

(29:05):
the fact that you can actually like literally take a
test that tells you these things where it's like, oh wow,
Like I I had no idea that you know, I
might be um, you know, predisposed to like restless leg
syndrome or whatever. It's like, it's not it doesn't worry me, No,
it's just I'm like, oh, well, that's a heads up,
like talking about that. Yeah, Like I annoy so many

(29:29):
people with my stupid leg. It's like, you know, it's
nothing personal. Gang it's literally how I'm wired. No, totally,
it's just those things that you find out that there
is no way in hell prior to this that you
would ever be able to like point definitively out and
be like take a tested like this is what it
told me, and it's just like and yeah, not definitively,

(29:49):
but to a point where it's just like now you
have that information and you could do with it what
you will, And that's like how that's unbelievable. Probably in
the same way that you know, I connect the idea
of us getting influenced by you know, music and once
we started to you know, get introduced ideas of you know,
straight edge and veganism and vegetarianism and like that is

(30:12):
all part of the same like sort of self improvement
journey that I think people go on absolutely and the
more you know about yourself, um, the and I think
there's also like a bit of peace to a lot
of that stuff too, Like you know, when I started
learning about brain types and when I did like we

(30:33):
have these uh like p I I think they're called
personality index things we did for work, and like you
learn all this stuff about yourself and it's sort of uh.
Sometimes it takes like the burden a way of like, man,
why is it that I just struggle with like staying
on task or whatever. And then when you get into
it and it's like, oh, your brain does this well
or you do this well, but you're not so great

(30:53):
at this. Not to say that it gives you a crutch,
but it sort of allows you to give yourself a
little bit of grace and go, oh, okay, that's not me,
Like maybe I personally am not doing this to myself.
It's literally how I'm wired or whatever. And then from
there you're like, cool, maybe there's steps I can take
to change that, you know for sure. I mean you

(31:15):
you hit that nail on the head where it's like
the more information that you have, um, you know, the
better you are to be able to either, like you said,
address the problem, correct it. Uh, you know, be able
to augment the way that you live your life if
it is something that you know you do want to
work on and change. And it's like there, but yeah,

(31:37):
it's like I just think of the idea. I think
it's so funny how this test gets so specific where
it's like, oh, yeah, you're less likely to match a
musical pitch. Are you less likely or more likely? I
have less likely, which is so funny because I mean,
of course, like the joke is like, yeah, you screamed
for a hardcore band. Of course you can't. You can't

(31:59):
match a musical pitch. But like reading that really, you know,
informed the fact that it's like, yes, there are times
where like I literally try to sing and I could not,
Like I could not. I remember I so distinctly remember
where it was, like Taken was recording. We were recording
our last EP and like two thousand four before we

(32:19):
you know, broke up, and they're on these demos of
certain songs. I was singing and a lot of it
was you know, I've auto tuned was placed on it,
and it was I just remember being in the vocal
booth and just like beating the hell out of myself.
I mean, you know how fun it is to record vocals.
It's all worse. It just beating myself up for like
not being able to hold a particular note. And then

(32:42):
I just it would just be so great to like
go back in time and be like, hey, guys, I
got this report that tells me it's a little bit
harder for me to hit this bitch. You're like, oh,
it all makes so much sense now. We put out
a little EP not long ago. Um, And it was
the first time that I had ever tried to sing

(33:03):
like on a thing. And I love singing, like I
will sing all day long if we're in a like
I'll pop into a meeting and just start singing about
what we're doing, like because I'm just a goof UM.
But it was the first time actually trying to do
it in like a studio setting. And uh so I
recorded with um Zach Rippy out here in Arizona, UM

(33:24):
and he was so rad in the process because he
was so helpful in like getting me to where we
needed to be. But man, singing versus yelling is such
a different beast. Like you're like, oh wow, that like
actually sucked, whereas like yelling, you're like, I don't know,
did it sound like pissed enough? Like this? Right? Am

(33:48):
I actually doing this into the mic loud enough? Like
what are we? What are we talking about here? Do I?
Like he said, do I sound pissed enough? It's so funny, man,
It's I always and I don't know about you, but
I've I've only on and recorded vocals because getting into
like an actual band for me was a later in
life process, but part of that like what do I
want to do before I die kind of thing? And
uh so I've only recorded a couple of times. We

(34:12):
recorded are the first album that I was on with
Worship in uh up in Oakland with Scott Evans, who
is such a wonderful human being. Um and so he
was super helpful and like helping me understand like how
to do the recording part um. But man, it was
so funny. I'll never forget like walking into his studio
and just seeing all this stuff and how like nice

(34:32):
and fancy things were, and then being like I'm just
gonna yell into that microphone like what am I doing?
This is so insane, Like there are people that have
phenomenal voices doing this stuff, and I'm literally like, ah,
so right, it's just like comedy, you know, Oh it
totally is it totally is something else I found funny

(34:52):
in regards to, uh, you know, the the particular test
traits that it, you know, identifies where it's just like
wake up time. I'm I found that so interesting that
what's yours? Yeah? Mine? It said? It said in the
report that it was like it was around seven am.
I wake up earlier than that, But I just I
was I I wonder if at some point that if you,

(35:14):
you know, depending on when in your life you take
the test, would it give a different result, Like, you know,
if you're taking it when you're like, you know, twenty one,
it's like, oh, yeah, I sleep like ted you know,
ted am wake up? But I just yeah, so what
what was yours? I have eight oh four am, which
doesn't actually feel super off. I mean, I like to
get up early. Um, but that's not my natural thing.

(35:37):
Like I used to be like a night owl and
um but I love going to bed and getting up
early and kind of like kicking the day's ass, uh
if I can. Um, So like for me, I'm like,
nothing good for me happens after ten pm, you know
what I mean. Like that's just that's like literally when

(35:59):
you're like going down some kind of an internet rabbit
hole that you're just like even like even just like,
oh man, I was up till three am searching for
bands and it's like, dude, get off of the Wikipedia page.
It doesn't matter to bed, you know. So uh So, yeah,
I definitely get up earlier. Um, but I thought that
was interesting because if I went to bed at say ten,

(36:22):
between ten and eleven, I would probably wake up right
around that time, right, yeah, for sure. Right, it's like
if everything worked out according to plan. Yes, But I
mean I did find it engaging because it's like, even
if you know that that wasn't accurate, it was that
idea that, oh, this does like seven am still by

(36:45):
most stretches of the imagination from a normal person perspective,
that's like, you know a little bit earlier, like oh yeah,
just comparing our reports where it's just like, oh yeah,
like I wake up an hour earlier than you, Andrew. Yeah,
it's true, it's true. And there you go. Man, I'm
I'm done. It's just lazy over here. Yeah, you're super lazy.
So I have to ask you a question about it,

(37:05):
because this one I thought was super fun. Did you
check your neanderthal DNA? I did check myerthal what's your results?
And I think, well, because it quantified it from a
percentage perspective, right, yeah, And I want to say I
want to say it was around like eighteen percent or
something like that, like you have more neanderthal DNA than
eighteen percent of other customers. Yes, yes, I think that

(37:28):
was it so pretty pretty Neanderthal heavy, I think No, No,
that's pretty. I think that's light. Yeah, because dude, hey, Andrew,
you have more Neanderthal DNA than of other customers. I'm
a fucking animal, dude. Like, no matter how you slice it,
it's like, oh, is it's Andrew. He's kind of a
lot of Neanderthal in him. Don't just don't worry about it, Like, dude,

(37:52):
so good is he over? They're flinging his own He's guys,
he's Neanderthal. It's fine, right, Yeah, excuse me your soul.
It's cool. That one made me laugh so hard when
I saw it, and I was just like okay, right, good,
good to know, good to know. Yeah, it's like there's uh,
you know, to to that point of just like there

(38:14):
are certain bits of information that are just like cool
to know. It's not like there's anything that you can
do to change that. It's like, all right, that's that's
good to know. Yes, Yes, what was weird to me
was like looking through them and they're just like small
silly things, but like the ring finger versus like index finger,
Like yeah, my ring finger is way longer than my
index finger, and like toast stuff. I just think stuff

(38:36):
like that is fun, like yeah, what does it say?
It's like, um, likely at least a little unibrow, and
it's like, god, damn it, how did you know? Like
totally are you going to call me out like that?
You know? Yeah? And I and I think too like
it really um many times, like especially if you take

(38:58):
it at an age where you are, you know, a
little more comfortable in your own skin rather than you know,
maybe your early twenties or whatever. Just that idea that
a lot of this stuff isn't um necessarily like that revelatory.
You're like, oh yeah, that that that that tracks like that, Yeah,
that adds up. It's like okay, that makes sense. But
then that yeah, but then there are certain things that
are just like wow, I first of all, I would

(39:20):
never know that about myself, and secondly like, oh wow,
I I guess that is me. I just never thought
about it in those terms. Did you what about your
fear of public speaking? I was told like, no fear whatsoever.
It was like totally comfortable, no problem whatsoever. What was yours?
Mine was defin mine definitely said like less likely to

(39:41):
have a fear of public speaking, which is right, yes,
less likely that was, And I'm like, yeah, no, I'm
we're good to that at all, totally. Yeah, it's like
we're good there if we could get up there on
stage and you know, yell into a microphone in front
of strangers, like, you know, I think there's something there's
something there. Yeah. Absolutely, the the uh what you were

(40:02):
going to ask a question? I'm sorry, Oh no, I
was just gonna say, you know, there's a lot of
those things on there that are kind of like, oh, yeah,
that's you know, that's cool. But for me, truthfully, the
actual ancestry composition I thought was very cool. I don't
know if like I'm curious what yours was? Yeah, mine,
it didn't necessarily surprise me as well, kind of going
along to the what I was saying where it's like,

(40:23):
oh that that tracks, but um, yeah, it was definitely
um Irish and Polish. That's where the my ancestry uh
kind of comes from from that perspective, and so, but
it was interesting because there were certain aspects of my
family like I am Raymond Edward Harkins the four or
the third, my sons the fourth and um My Raymond
Edward Harkins the first he was adopted, and so there

(40:46):
were certain like we generically speaking new where that kind
of where his ancestry sort of came from, and it
was validated by this report. But at the same time,
it was like, well, you know, there's not any records
beyond him, you know, kind of starts there. That is
very cool, like that that aspect of it. I feel
like it's so rad too um to be able to

(41:08):
dive in on. I definitely like when I got mine back,
it was like, Okay, I'm seventy point nine percent British
and Irish. But what was interesting was I was like, oh, wow,
I'm like twenty one point eight percent Polish and I
didn't know that, and so I was like, oh, that's cool.
And also, um, you know, I don't mean to speak
ill of my parents, because they probably told me a

(41:30):
bunch of this stuff, but I was like, when I
was younger, I was so like, I just want to
go skateboarding and listen to me. I don't know, I
don't care where I'm from, Like I'm playing Pennsylvania, what
do you mean? Um? But it's been such a fun
thing to learn about that stuff as you get older,
and you know, I did the thing where you can
kind of track your relatives and look at your family
tree and you know, so you know, us talking about

(41:52):
doing this podcast was a really fun opportunity for me
to kind of get in the weeds a little bit
on this stuff. And like, again because I did this
a while ago, so it was fun to crack it
open and look at these things and be like, whoa,
this is kind of wild actually, like looking at the
family tree and seeing who's in there from my family
that's taken the test, and it was it was cool. Yeah,
so I agree wholeheartedly. Yeah, I know I took my

(42:13):
test about yeah, probably maybe two years ago. But it
was one of those things where as you started to
you know, poke around and take those quizzes and like
travel even further down that you know, path of knowledge
within the tests that you did, it really honestly, I
just can't and this is such a cheesy thing to say,

(42:35):
but it's just like, you know, knowledge is power, and
just that idea of understanding more about yourself and your
predisposition to certain things and like not liking certain things,
and it just all like I found the alcohol flush
test result where it was like, I wouldn't turn red
if I drink, And I'm like, I literally would never

(42:58):
know that because I've like never personally drank, Like I
mean I drank when I was like, you know, fourteen
or something, but I've never never ever been drunk in
my whole life, and so for me to read that,
I was like, oh, I never would have known that. Otherwise, No,
it's cool. I think, what about do you do caffeine
or do you not caffeine? I do caffeine, So are
you likely to consume more? Or no? I I was

(43:18):
right on average, but um, it didn't. I was surprised
because I do feel like, I mean, I think I
have about like four cups of coffee a day. Um,
I don't think it's wildly out of whack, but I
definitely think it's on the higher side. I yeah, mine
is definitely likely to consume more, which sounds about right
because I feel like, just as a human being, like, um,

(43:39):
like I'm an alcoholic. But I think a huge piece
of that is because I never did drugs. And I'm
so thankful because whatever I would have done, I probably
would have just been like, yep, that's what I love
that and so um for me, I'm I'm always curious
if there's like things in here that are just like, oh,
you're just like a sort of like a pleasure addict.

(44:01):
And you know what I mean, like whether it's working
out or skateboarding or you know, like music or what
it's like you just consume things at a high level,
you know, in general, and I find that to be
very interesting, right totally. And on that same notion of
just like the more you know about yourself, like I

(44:21):
you know, tie that directly back into when we started
to discover music and trains of thought that were either
contradictory to what we had been told or were a
completely different point of view, because like I know, I
mean you mentioned rage, rage against the machine, and I
know for myself that was so revelatory because it was

(44:42):
this you know, I mean, yes, of course the music
was sick and unbelievable, but then the idea that they
were speaking about other people's experiences that first of all
did not look like me or were from a completely
different part of the world. And then that that just
like crack my head open, where I was like, oh,
so not everybody is raised in a you know, the

(45:05):
upper middle class suburb. It was like, oh yeah, that
makes sense totally. And where I'm from in Pennsylvania is like,
you know, very much like an upper middle class area. Um.
You know, and it's also very like very predominantly white overall,
at least it was when I was growing up, you know.
So it was like it was interesting to hear about

(45:26):
all those different experiences from you know, people through music
and you know, and then obviously traveling makes such a
huge difference as well as like the actual impact of
all of those things and seeing them and going okay,
like this is life, you know. But but music opening
that door and that sort of allowing you to question

(45:48):
things was like really huge. I mean, I'll never forget.
I mean I spent a long time as an atheist, Like, um,
it's literally high school. Um. I remember like I was
listening to Slayer a lot, and I just was like, what,
you know, like what is up? You know obviously gets
you questioning religion and all that stuff. Um. And then

(46:09):
I remember I became an atheist because at one point
I remember trying to like pray before bed and I
just was like I don't understand what I'm doing. What
like what is happening. Um, because I was raised Catholic.
Um like very loosely, we were kind of like creased people.
But um, the it was interesting because all of the
music sort of change that stuff for me. And then

(46:31):
what's really funny is the music sort of brought me
back around. Um not because I'm religious now, um And
I know that. I know that even saying I listened
to any Joe Rogan is like hot button, but um,
sure I listened to the Ray Cappo Joe Rogan. Um.
And I'm not personally like a big youth of Today fan. Um,
but I was just really interested in his whole deal

(46:52):
as like kind of a yogi and stuff like that. Um.
And I know that, like people get bummed on him
for breaking edge bro, but um but I'm just like whatever, man,
he's a human being. He has his own experience. But
what was really interesting was the way that they talked
about religion and like they I think they were talking
about like a Nash or something like that, and He's like,
so you really believe that? And raised deal was he

(47:14):
was like I'm not saying I believe it. I'm just
saying maybe, and so possibility and that blew my mind
and so in that like this was literally a couple
of years ago, two or three years ago whenever that
came out, and it kind of had me like take
a step back and go, you know what, instead of
saying I believe in nothing, I sort of changed my

(47:37):
attitude to being like, you know what, I'm comfortable with everything.
And it doesn't mean that I necessarily believe it all,
but I think for myself, it allowed me to open
myself up to as corny as it sounds, like the
universe in a different way and be comfortable saying, you know,
maybe there are certain things that kind of come together
and they maybe happen for a reason or whatever, and

(48:00):
um and I don't love the idea of like fate
because I like the idea of human choice and stuff
like that, but I do think that there is a
lot of um the when people come to this is
gonna sound weird, but you've just seen Donnie Darko, right, Okay,
so that pardon Donnie Darko where they have those crazy

(48:22):
things coming out of them, right and like leaving them around.
I always think about, you know, sometimes you end up
in a really cool conversation or you meet someone that
like you hit it off with really quickly, and you're like, Wow,
we're gonna be lifelong friends now. And it's always so
interesting to kind of like when you take a step
back to go, man, the fact that the two of
us are right now having this conversation with all of

(48:44):
our life experiences and they all brought us to this point.
Like the fact that we're talking right now about this
stuff is crazy because the amount of stuff that had
to come together to get us to this point is nuts.
It is like just the the simple you know, addition

(49:05):
of all of these extenuating circumstances that will lead you
to this exact point is just like I mean it obviously,
That's why we only use a portion of our brains
because I think if we use more, like we would
not even be able to function, because like you have
to have that cognitive dissonance to be like I'm not
thinking about every moment being just like oh my gosh,

(49:26):
Like I can't even believe I'm here, should be crippled,
but I'm I'm such like a um, I'm such a
uh sort of like I don't know, feely person whatever.
I'm like, I love to do that stuff, Like I
love to take a step back and appreciate the moments
and appreciate the things that are happening, because again, and
I don't mean to sound morbid, but it's like, you

(49:47):
never know when you're gonna go. And so if you
can wake up in the morning and go, you know what,
I'm stoked to be here. And even if your day
is a little crazy and you can fall asleep going,
you know what, even if today was a little tough,
I'm thankful to be here. You know, I still did
it right. Yeah, Like, I think there's something really really

(50:08):
special about all of that. So yeah, I agree. Uh.
The last thing I want to hit on was the
idea that um, you know, I know both you and
I are you know, have experimented and currently are you know,
vegan vegetarian, and like that connective tissue between understanding the
you know, health reports that you get from this and

(50:30):
just understanding like likes and dislike, Like I love the
cilantro ye if I laugh about that one, because it
is such a huge like that's that's a tough one,
right there, man, totally totally Yeah. I I I was
less likely to consume it, so, which is accurate because
I personally don't like I, I do a little bit
of cilantro, but not to the point where I'm like,

(50:51):
you know, it has to be on everything. I So
mine is inaccurate because mine says that. I I think
it says. I'm let's see here slightly higher odds of
disliking cilantro. Nah, I am like put it everywhere. I'm like,
my blanket is made out of cilantro. You know, I'm
just like, yep, I want to just wrap myself up

(51:12):
in it. So that one for me was not correct.
But what about the asparagus one, because that one's another
funny one, the asperity I can't honestly, I can't remember exactly. Yeah,
I do. I I think it was accurate in the
fact that I was less likely to consume that. Again,
I smell it in your p That's that's the big one.
It's can you smell it in your pa? I absolutely

(51:36):
can't when I consume it. That is reality. Mine is
uh yeah, mine is your genetics make the likely to
be able to smell the asparagus odor in your urine.
It's perfect, like it's so so good. Well yeah, and
speaking of vegetables, just like the the idea of understanding
your health and then making you know, choices around that
and consulting with you know, doctor's physicians, everything that you

(51:58):
should go through when you're making these change is um.
But the the idea of us arriving to those conclusions
through a myriad of influences like for us obviously via
music and stuff like that. But then you know, so
how I guess how did you connect the idea of
you know, you going on the you know, vegan vegetarian

(52:19):
road in general. So for me, Um, I mean it
all started early on because uh, Destroy the Machines Earth Crisis.
I remember being in middle school and listening to that album.
I bought it, Um, I think I might have My
uncle would like take me to Philadelphia randomly and we
would go do stuff UM and uh we went and

(52:43):
bought some CDs, and I remember I bought I Think
Earth Crisis, Destroy the Machines, and then I brought I
bought shy hlud Um A Profound Hatred of Man and
both of those super important bands to me. But Earth Crisis,
you know, it was at the time where I would
sit and read the lyrics and all that stuff, and
I was like, whoa, Okay, what is all this what's veganism?

(53:03):
This is wild, you know, because my mom's from Midwest,
my dad is from outside Philadelphia. It was very much
meat and potatoes. Um. And as I've gotten older, we've
laughed at just like they'll I'll order food and they're
just like, where did you come from? You know, because
they're literally like, yeah, we'll just have the pork chops
and the mashed potatoes and that and you know, and here,

(53:24):
and I'm like excuse me, can I please do this?
And can you make it really spicy? And and they're
just like my dad's like I can't even have spici.
It's like my bald spot sweats, you know. So. Um
So it was earth crisis kind of planted the seed
way way way back, but it was not reasonable for me.
I didn't think at the time to become like a
vegetarian or anything like that. And then, um so when

(53:45):
I went to college. Um My my ex wife was
a vegetarian since she was young, and at some point
I just kind of was like, oh, I'm gonna become
a vegetarian, you know. Um And so I remember I
was maybe like maybe it was around when I was
twenty or something like that. Um, I don't even honestly,

(54:10):
it was somewhere in my twenties, maybe twenty six whatever.
I um, I was in Las Vegas and I was
out there announcing a do tour event and we stayed
and did a skateboarding trip afterwards, and I had driven
out because it was so close to Phoenix, and uh
I saw one of those busses drive by that has
like the advertisement and it was like Slayer playing at
you know, one of the casinos. And I was like, oh,

(54:33):
I'm gonna that's like the day after our trip ends,
and my birthday was coming up. So I was like,
you know what, I'm just gonna get a hotel room
because Vegas is so inexpensive, and I'm gonna see if
I can buy a Slayer ticket. And so I went
and saw Slayer alone in Vegas. And beforehand, I went
out to dinner. I think I went to like t
g I Fridays or something, and I got like chicken fingers,
and uh, I took a bite and I got one

(54:54):
of those real chewy bits. And I had been toying
with the idea of like maybe I'll become a vegetarian
because Charlie tom was the world Industry's team manager and
that's who I skated for. And he was a vegan,
so he was like, you know, really helpful for me
and like dietary change and also just like my drinking
and stuff like that. Like he was a really good
role model, UM, just for like active and healthy living

(55:17):
because he was older, UM, and he ripped, and I
was like, I want to be able to skate like
Charlie when I get older, and so UM, I stopped
eating meat that night and I never had it again. UM.
And then I became vegan maybe a year later. And
it was one of those like I was vegan at
home and vegetarian on the road because when I was

(55:39):
doing skate trips, I was like, well, I want to
be able to just like eat cheese, pizza or whatever.
And then and then it just became this ethical thing
for me where I just was like, you know, I
can't do that anymore. I'm not allowed to just like
give myself a pass. And so there was like a
January one like all right, I'm just gonna officially be
vegan and then uh. The only thing that took some
time was um Swede giving that up because of uh

(56:00):
skate shooes, and I think maybe I went like I
don't even know if it was like six months and
I was like, I can't do this. This is ridiculous,
what kind of a I can't be that? And then
uh so once I gave that up, it was like okay,
here we go, um, and it was a So that's
been a big thing for me, just because, um, trying
to find vegan skate shooes is a little bit of

(56:21):
a process, but a lot of the companies are doing
a really great job now and um, it's fun. So
I do these little like vegan tree reviews on YouTube, um,
just because I think it's such an important thing for
to have information on like what products are actually good,
you know, totally totally yeah, No, it's cool, and do
you explaining that process is exactly what I think, you know,

(56:45):
most people need to do as they're approaching life in general,
is just like explore, find what you're comfortable with, you know,
find out more about yourself, because only with that information
would you be able to make that educated decision to
be like yeah, I am going to do this or no,
I am not going to do this. What's interesting to me?
And I have a feeling you and I are on

(57:05):
the same page in this. But um, what's so interesting
to me is when people like sort of start out
for ethical reasons or whatever, and then they kind of like,
You're like, oh, how can you stop being vegan or whatever,
and they're like, well, my doctor told me that I
shouldn't or whatever, and I'm always just like, I mean, hey,
everyone can do their thing, but for me, I'm like,
it's just an ethical thing, Like I don't want to

(57:27):
hurt animals, so therefore I'm not going to do that.
And even if a doctor was like, you know, Andrew,
I think you should be eating red meat, I'd be like,
that's cool. I'm not going to, you know, just because
I think at some point you kind of get the
no pun intended, like you know, wool out from over
your eyes and you're like, oh, okay, this is really

(57:48):
not a cool thing. So everyone can make their own decisions.
And I'm always a personal fan of like when people
are like, you know what, I go vegan one day
a week or whatever, I'm like, that's awesome. It all helps.
And I think we um, and I will say this
about a lot of vegan culture. Um, a lot of
people are real uppity, and that's totally fine. But also

(58:10):
it's like keep in mind it's your own decision and
try not to push yourself on others because I mean, man,
even at one point, I remember on social media I
posted my friend David gravette he was catching a fish,
you know, catching release, and I got like multiple d
ms from people that were just like, I cannot believe
you would do this, And I'm just like, don't you judge, Like,

(58:32):
get out of here, get off your high horse man,
Like my friend is psyched, like away, um, And it's
just because I feel like, you know, look, if you're
doing it because you want to get on the high horse, like,
that's fine, But I'm not that person. I don't care
about that. People can do whatever they want but for me,

(58:53):
and I'll happily talk with anyone about it because it's
small changes that make a big difference. You don't have
to stop eating meat completely or dairy or whatever if
you don't want to, but if you skip a meal
that helps you totally. Every every you know, every incremental change,
no matter how small it, you know, it adds up
to literally us talking here right now, at this very moment. Yeah,

(59:17):
little little bits just make changes, you know, exactly exactly. Well, dude, Andrew,
thank you so much for going on this uh philosophical
fun ride. Fun. Sorry, I got all getting all deep
on you, man. That's exactly what it's all about. Man,
There's there's only one way to go, and that's uh,
that's deep as I'm with you on that. There we go.

(59:41):
That was that. And I really really genuinely want to
thank Andrew Cannon for um coming on this episode with
me and enjoying the the the conversation that we had
because it was, like I said, it was a little
bit less than conventional, but I was really excited to um, yeah,
just pick his brain and get into this whole thing

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