Dead Ass: What Are We Really Made Of?

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Have you ever thought about how incredibly complex I spit is.
It may only be water, but just aliva isn't simple.
That remaining one percent holds incredibly meaningful information that could
change everything. And I'm not just talking about your family
treat Hi. I'm barretton day Thurston and on this season

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of Spit and I Heart Radio podcast with twenty three
and Me, we explore how DNA isn't just about ancestry,
it can also be key to understanding your health. What's
up you and welcome back now. Codein and Devout Ellis
of Dead Ass always keep it real. Whether they're talking

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about love, sex, marriage, or everything in between. You can
always count on them to give it to you straight.
And these two have a lot to say about their DNA.
To quote Devol, it may sound cliche, but in order
to know where you're going, you have to know where
you've been. So code In and Devol have decided to
take a twenty three and me test, curious to see
what their DNA could tell them about their health and ancestry.

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As a married couple with kids, health is always top
of mind, starting with your spouse. Codeine and Devo believe
it's in your best interest to keep your partner healthy,
which may sound obvious, but it's something we can easily
neglect in all the chaos of our everyday lives, and
what you can learn about your partner's health from twenty
three and Me can make all the difference, even if
it's as simple as encouraging them to eat right or

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making sure they're getting enough sleep of exercise. Knowing what
to look out for is key, and when it comes
to their kids, it's important for Codeine and Devol to
not only model what it means to be healthy and proactive,
but to use the knowledge that they have to teach
their boys how to take the best care of themselves.
Let's listen in as these two get real about how
best to god their sons and themselves to live longer

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and healthier lives, and how the information provided by twenty
three and Me can help. This may sound cliche, but
in order to know where you're going, you gotta know
where you're being dead ass. I I feel that, and

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I mean to be honest, some days I've been looking
in the mirror and be like, girl, were you really
from dead? As Hey? I'm Cadine and we're the Ellis
is You may know us from posting funny videos with
our boys and reading each other publicly as a form
of therapy. Wait, I'll make you need therapy most days. Wow.

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And one more important thing to mention, we're married. We are.
We created this podcast to open dialogue about some of
life's most taboo topics, things most folks don't want to
talk about through the lens of a millennial married couple.
Dead as is the term that we say every day.
So when we say dead ass, we're actually saying facts,
the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Were about to take Phillow Talk to a whole new level.
Dead ad starts right now. So I'm gonna take this
back to my elementary school days. Shout out Bethlehem Baptist Academy,
also known as a Trade with Phield School, East New York,

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across from girlsh from Park, shout out Brooklyn Cozine and
Van Sicklin. Um was it Stanley and Linden Boulevard. So
I used to take the school bus when I was
in elementary school. You know, um four or five, six
years old. I was a bus kid, and I used
take the school bus from Flatbush to Brownsville or East

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New York, So you know what that must have been
like being on the school bus with a bunch of
young kids and the cheese bus. Yes, And for people
who don't know, I grew up in the Golden Eras
of Brooklyn right the late early nineties, late eighties, early nineties,
so literally it was eighty nine my first time on
the cheesebus. I was five years old then, right, so

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getting on this cheese bus. And Bethlehem Baptist Academy was
in elementary school that transitioned all the way through junior
high school, so you were there from nursery all the
way through eighth grade. So there was a huge age difference.
Like I was on the bus with kids who are
ten years my senior, and I reme getting on the
bus and all of the older kids we kind of
like choose which child, like the girls would choose which

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child was their son quote unquote little mother hands, you know,
so they you know that I was a cute kid,
and it was just, oh my god, he's so cute.
That's my son. That's my son. And I remember this girl, Kesha,
she used to like get me candy and stuff like that.
And there was this one kid named round Mel. And
another thing people don't understand is that you start to
get like then you go through identity issues from elementary

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school to junior high school as your body is changed
and everything's happening, and then you start to figure out
who you are in the world through your peers. Your
peers kind to tell you who you are. And I
remember being on the bus and I think Rommel had
a crush on Keisha, so he kept like just he
was always around her, and Keisha was just always paying
attention to me, and I guess he was kind of
just like man, kind of jealous in a way, giving

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him no play. So he has said to Keisha, like, yeah,
that can't be your son. It can't be your son.
Like you black, he not even black. And I remember
I was six years old and that hit me because
I'm like, why would he telling why would he say
I'm not black? And he's like, yo, look he mad
light skin, He's not even black, he mad yellow. Hes Chinese, Mexican.
So back in the day, like you know, well, colorism

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still exists today, but back in the day, when you
was on the cheese bus going from Flatbush to Brownsville,
you was on the bus with majority brown skin kids.
So it was like when you was just the light
skin kid, you know, I used to get picked on.
You know, he's a light skin kid, you're liking kids.
So I grew up in a time where you played
the dozens and you joked on people, and people joked.
I remember going home and realizing how it was affecting me,

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and I said to my dad, as a dad and
my black some six you know six, you're still impressionable kid.
And he was like, hell, yeah, you black? Why Like
why are you asking me that? And I was telling
him about Ramel and everything was going on the bus
and him saying I'm not black and making fun of
me and over because I was light skinned. So my
father used to tell me jokes to tell back on people, right,
So he was just like, yo, you gotta always have
a joke for everybody when you walk in the room
and have a counter joke. So he was like, what

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does Ramel look like? So I said, I don't know.
He's a brown skinning kid, you know, kind of bigger
or whatever. So he said, this is what you tell Ramelo.
Because my pops is big on letting me handle my
own conflicts like he wasn't gonna get on the bus
and pressional fourteen year old. He was like, you say
to Ramel, you said, Ramel, I in black. I'm telling
me I'm not black, and you would be light skinned
too if you took showers. Right. So I was practicing

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the joke. I was practicing the joke, practicing the joke.
And finally, because he my father, is all about the delivery,
you got to say at the right time. You can't
be stumbling and fumbling and bumbling on this joke. So
I practiced it all day. So I went back and
I gave him. I told my father joke. He said, cool,
I'm gonna give you a follow up joke, right, So
I said, boom, Now I have two jokes going into
the bus. So the next day going to the bus

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and you know, day that goes my son, days go
my son, and of course Ral comes over. Yeah, that's
not your son. You're not black. He's not even black.
And I said, shut up right now. Because I was six,
so my voices that high. I said, shut up right now,
stop telling me I'm not black. You would be light
skin too if he took showers. So since I was six,
it was like cute to everybody right, Like it was like, oh,
he got you right, man, we got your mouse from

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I was like funny and funny, but where he didn't
know because I had to follow out and the one
and the two. So then after everybody was laughing, I
said that why you at it? Get abroad for them
titties because he was heavy sack and he had a
little man boobs at fourteen. Everybody was like oh, So

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at that point I was like, yeah, you know what
I'm saying, Like I won. I won that battle. But
you know how it affected me for a long time,
especially through high school. I always wondered like why am
I soul? Light skin? You know? And it did affect
me because for a long time from six to seven,
I was like, damn, am I really black? Because I
just don't look like all the other black people that

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was on the bus. And even though it was all
jokes and it was fine, I was able to get
through it. I kind of wanted to know, like, why
why am I light skin? You know? If if I'm
black and we're all black, and when you look at
history of all the you know, prominent black people back
in the day, they were brown skin, and it made
me wonder why I look like that? And as a child,

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you want your parents to give you the history of
who you are, absolutely and if they can't give you
the history, baby, you're gonna search for it. Now we're searching.
You want to mission, y'all pull up in that monster
automobile gangster with a bad bitch that came from link. Yeah,
that Sonka color, Willy Wonka. You could be the king,
but watch the queen ConA. First things first, out eat

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your brain. I'm gonna start rock and gold teeth and things,
because that's what a motherfucking monster do. Hey, dressed up,
im alan, that's a monster do that? Does it? Here?
The monster sho and money is the roster and the
monster crew. And in the face with the money, that
money ain't. I have to control my breathing. Favorite part

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was coming pull up all up in the bank with
the funny face, and I think I noticed because your
money ain't we let me get this right, shake yeah,
so let me get this straight. I'm the rookie and
my features in the show. Some times you pay for
no album out. My money so tall that my body
got a climate mentalist, the Climateanta man, she killed that.

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She smashed that freakingverse. Y'all smashed it. Um, So yeah,
I hope you were able to sing along. Nikki was
good for that. If that that like breathing control that
you had to have on that gift, that's performing that. Yes,
performing that is great. So shout out to Nicki Minaj. Yes, yes,

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all right, So yeah, we're gonna take a quick break.
Let me catch my breath so I can actually finish
the podcast actually talk to y'all. All right, so we
let let's get back into the story time and how
you were having somewhat of an identity crisis life because
it wasn't it wasn't a midlife it wasn't even a
quarter life crisis. I was six, And I can't even

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say it's a tenth life crisis because I I hope
to live way longer than sixty years old. Absolutely you will, Yes,
I will. I call it a fifth life crisis if
I could be once I've reached my potential years. You
have done everything you're supposed to do. But um, I
remember feeling like I just wanted to know why I

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looked the way I look who I was. Um. I've
always been big on history. Even as a child, I
just wanted to know. I used to ask my grandparents
a lot of questions and ask my parents a lot
of questions and look at photographs of my family and
you should just see a mix of people. But I
just wanted to know where did they come from? You know.

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That's that's um. I can totally relate to that because
growing up too, I was also kind of you know,
teased in a sense, I guess, not bully per se,
but just tease. You know. Kids will always try to
pick out, pick out something that they want to just
kind of get on you about. And for me, it
was like, um, having really hairy arms and legs, and
I mean like not just no regular hairy, like hairy

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hairy to the point now where it was a thing
where when I used to lotion my arms and legs
like before gym class, because my mom would like pack
my gym bag with my uniform and she'd be like,
you know, make sure you're not actually and put lotion on.
So I put the lotion on my legs, I would
have to like strategically like not go back and forth,
but like like lotion downward so the hairs could all
like la laid down in the same direction because I

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looked crazy as a girl with mad hairy legs and
arms and the hair is one of mad different directions.
And then and shout out to my father that eventually
allowed me to shave my legs because he totally felt
like the hair on my body was like the gift
from God that all women should have for the rest
of their life. You could love that joint on your wife,

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but on me, No, that was a big battle. Is
like Candian shaved her legs. Oh my god, let's like
send out, you know, the army and the military, because
legs told me one time, please don't repeat it, please don't. Um.
But they used to be called wolverine till teen wolves,
things like that, So my dad and mom would just

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explain it, like, you know, that's just your Indian side,
like you know Indian people in superheroes. So and I'd
be like, oh, I didn't know, Okay, Yeah, you're Indian
and you're black. I'm like, okay, cool. That was enough
for me, um. But now we have resources out there
like twenty three and me okay, and they're able to
give us a report on where you really come from,

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which is pretty fascinating to me. Part of the reason
why we chose to work with twenty three and because
it's not only about where you come from, why you
look the way you look, but they also give you
a report for um, some health risks that may be
a product of your ancestry, so you can find out.
It's not a diagnosis, it's not a cure, it's not
going to tell you how to fix anything, but it

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will tell you because of where you've come from and
what you are, these are the risk the associated risk
that could be a problem for you based on your
blood oh for sure, not blessing based on your genetics. Absolutely,
And I feel like you know, as a parent of
four boys, it's really important for us to you know,
not only model what it means to be healthy and productive,
but to also use the knowledge that we have to

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teach them how to best take care of yourselves. So
in this episode, we're going to talk through the genetic
risks and some strengths found in the twenty three and
Me profiles that we were able to get through our reports,
and also too, I don't know if you guys listen
back a couple episodes maybe last season when we spoke
to Dr Brown about health risk that black males face
even and how to consider you know, the best guy

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that we can give our boys to live happier, long longer,
healthier lives um than we could have imagined or then
our that our parents could have imagined. And a lot
of it, I think too, is just feeling like we're
predisposed to certain illnesses or predisposed to certain health risks
because it runs in the family. That's always the thing.
Oh you know, doing that that report when you get

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to the doctor's office and they want to know the
history not just of your health, but of your parents
and your grandparents. Going down that entire gamut could be
very exhausting for some of us because there's so many
things that you hear about running in the family. But
it makes me really wonder, and I've wondered this for
years now, does it really run in the family or
are we just products of our environment and the things
that we had to endure for years. That's a good point.

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I mean, when we talk about my family, for example,
I'll just give you one brief aspect of my report
that I found out. But um, I'm Alzheimer's. You know,
I have a genetic trait that makes me at higher
risk for dementia. And I look at my grandmother who
end up developing dementia and currently now she has to
be in a just to living home. Della Della may
She dropped the periause Della may ellis. I love my grandma.

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She watched me every summer from as young as I
can remember until I was about fourteen and started playing
organized sports. And then my uncle Charles, who um, but
Uncle Charles was like one of the most vibrant men
I ever met in my life. Like he just every
time you see him, you would say with something. With Charles,
you say something. He had a song related to him,

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always singing, and he was singing, and he was just
always smiling and always in a good mood. And he
developed early on set Alheimer's in his late fifties, which
is a shock to all of us because that's young.
That's extremely wrong. But when you think about what you're
predisposed to or have a higher risk got genetically, um,
you can adjust your lifestyle. And I was speaking to
my cousin Kimberly, who is now like his caretaker and

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helps take care of him a lot um. She was saying,
had they known, you know, all of these things, UM,
he could have changed things in his life to either
prolong his ability to have a normal life or prevented
it altogether from happening, because he developed legions in his brain,
and those legions came from stress, lack of sleep, also diet. Right.

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And the reason why this is important is because we're
so used to UM teaching our kids traditions and conditioning
them to be a certain way, especially our our black
man and I say that because we have young we
have sons. So when we talked to our boys, like
be tough, you know, team, no sleep, you work hard,
you do this, you do that, and you really don't

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take care of yourself. But we spoke to Dr Brown,
I remember him saying that one night of bad sleep
can be the equivalent of a month of poor diet.
Three months. That's what was most mind blowing, like three
months of eating bad which is crazy because I think
about how many people. For example, my uncle Charles worked
two or three jobs, you know, because he was consistently
trying to make ends meet, and he was trying to

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not only help his family, but he helped so many
other people. So when he was a deacon in the
church Shout out Cell the Missionary Baptist Church. When he
had any extra time, he was also doing his deacon duties.
He was also also a Boy Scout leader, so he
was always investing his time in his community and trying
to take care of his family, and he really didn't
take care of himself. And the reason why that is
important is because you and I talk about using this

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opportunity as young parents with young kids to teach our
kids how to take care of themselves from young not
only in getting enough sleep, but also what you eat.
You know, and mental health is important. Physical health is important,
and the best way to go about creating a plan
for both is knowing where you come from. Like I
said in my sound Bity, you can't know where you're
going unless you know where you're being. You know what

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something you said it was pretty interesting and it triggered
in me the idea when you said that our parents generation,
for example, like Uncle Charles generation, they worked so hard,
even Nana so hard to ensure that their children were
okay and their children's children because you and I were
both pretty much raised by parents, but grandparents as well,
which is even more special that we have the opper

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tmtunity to have our parents around for our children now,
but we a lot of times put the onus on
our parents to say they didn't do this for us,
they didn't equipped us to be like this. They dropped
the ball with that. We tend to be kind of
hard on our parents, but we don't realize that they
were really doing everything within their power to make sure
that we would be okay, to provide for us, and
that in turn created environments for lack of sleep, um

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for stress. They were under a lot of stress just
trying to be able to make things work for us.
I think about my parents who came from Jamaica and St.
Vincent at young ages with just a suitcase and a dream,
you know. So the lack of sleep for example, that
I saw my mother have to endure because she was
just trying to give us everything. We kind of have

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to give them a little bit of grace in that situation.
Give them a little bit of grace then all the graces.
Honestly feel like Millennials and gen z uh, it's a
gen z Ears because we're millennials, Millennials and Gen z Ears.
We we do a great job of pointing out all
of our parents flaws, right, Like, I think that's all
the trauma. Everything is generation trauma. And even we've talked
about generational trauma. But what you don't realize is that

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you don't know what you don't know. There was no
twenty three and me back then. Technology didn't exist back then,
the science wasn't as good back then, so our parents
weren't given the tools we have to be parents now.
And a lot of times we always talked down about
what our parents did wrong, as opposed to saying, well,
you know what I survived, I'm here. They had to
be doing something right. You know, it's not about what

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you did wrong. But it's like, now that we know better,
let's do better. And I agree with you on that,
like our parents did not like, for example, my father
when it comes to history, yeah, he spoke to his
mom and his dad, and he spoke his grandmother and
his grandfather. But now I'm able to get extensive history.
For example, on the report, I found out that this
helped me with my um my identity crisis. But um

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I found out that I'm eighty. I think Sub Saharan African,
and so the first thing I did when I found
this out, and I think I'm of that eight percent,
I'm sixty percent Nigerian. So I called my brother and
I said, you guess what, man, I'm Nigerian too. And

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the first thing you said was, all my brother, we're
doing this for the green anyway. But it was like
to find out to find out that, Um, I'm eighty
percent Subsaharan African. Plus knowing my family's history right then
I found out I'm seventeen percent or eighteen percent European,
and I think two percent or less than two percentum indigenous,

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which is kind of maybe a flip for what you thought.
You probably thought you were more and I thought I
was more indigenous because of my family's history. My family's history, Um,
from my mom's side came from reservations and they walked
the Trail of Tears from Virginia all the way when
Western experiension happened after Africa. So we found out going back,
going back and doing history. Me and my sister started

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to put things together and we did twenty three and me,
but we also just spoke to a lot of people
in the family to find out who was who. And
because of our complexion, we thought that we were more
Indigenous than African, and we found out that we're more
African and more white, which means our ancestors were part
of the enslaved people that walk the trailer tears as

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a part of the cargo that the indigenous people received
when they were forced to move out of the reservations
in Virginia. So, you know, it helps you not only history,
so it also helps you find out not not who
you are, but exactly the place you played in that
social structure that walked. So, yes, we walked the trailer tears,

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but my family walked the trailer tears as enslaved people.
They didn't walk the trailer tears as indigenous people. That
you know that that went out west so and went
down south. But that also made me feel super proud, right,
And this is a different take than other people take
on slavery, but this is to take I take on it.
If my family was able as enslaved people to exist

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and walk thousands of miles and survive and be able
to create family structure that is able to create my
grandparents and then my parents and then me, that has
had to be some strong people, and that has to
be something you have to be proud of what I'm
doing it. I mean, exactly, when did you say there's
something that you can't do. It's just like bro right,

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My people were equipped to do this, absolutely, absolutely, But
it also explains my complexion, Right, Why do I look
fairer skinned because I'm closer to European and African And
I thought I was more fairer skinned because I was
more indigenous, because my families walked. My family walked the
Tale of Tears and Trailer of Tears, and excuse me.

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My sister went as far back is to research names
associated with my family, and what we found out was
we thought the Jackson's that's my which is funny because
my son's name is Jackson. But we thought that Jackson's
were the Indigenous people who took the land, took the
name and continued to grow westward with that name Jackson.

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But after doing research, we found out that Jackson was
the name given to the enslaved people when they were
distributed to the indigenous people. So we really found out
the details that were associated with our family and was
able to say, ah, so these this is where we
stood in that that is so interesting. Well, listen, y'all,

(23:31):
usually we do an explanation of karaoke, you know, so
you understand why the song had anything to do with
the episode. Right, So we're talking twenty three and me repports,
we're talking about health. What does monster have to even
do with this? Huh? So let me give you all

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a little insight. So after teaming up with twenty three
and me and we were able to not only pinpoint
the location of our and Stress and Set Street, but
we're able to see all the genetics and stuff. The
location was interesting for me because, like I said earlier,
I was just always told, oh, you know, you're Jamaican
and Indian, you're black and Indian. You look at my
mom and dad, she's a black woman. He looks like

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he could be Indian. Great, So I guess we weren't
too far off because according to my reports, let me
pull it up, drumroll please, but that's my ruse. If
I clap, Trouble was gonna be mad. She always said,
you don't clap into MinC So I'm not just gonna
be my druma already. So it says that I am
fifty point seven Central and South Asian, which could be Indian. However,

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it is split between Southern Indian and Sri Lankan and
Northern Indian and Pakistani. So I'm with it that came
from Sri Lanka. Yeah, that's me. Nicky was talking about me,
y'all end this episode. Oh no, no, no, no, no no, no,
because there's another part too. It tells you where your
family more than likely during the slave trade landed. Oh. Absolutely,

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So let me give you all the rest of the tea. First,
about who I am, allow me to reintroduce you, y'all
to be Um. Yeah, so that's Um, Southern and Northern
Indian and Sri Lankan in Pakistani. So that's the region.
And then I am forty one point seven percent sub
Saharan African, particularly West African, with majority of that being

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Ghanaian Liberian or Sierra Leonian Sierra Leonion. So isn't that
pretty cool? Yes, my old manager at Max, she's from
Sierra Leone, so I want to call her up and
be like girl girl he's also so yeah, so forty
one percent or at forty one point seven percent, and
then the remainder, which is another seven percent, is European.

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So it's actually a very small percentage of British and
Irish as the majority under the European scope for me,
so now the China, who I really am. Yeah, it's
pretty interesting for me to see. So just going under
the umbrella of saying, oh, hey, I'm Indian, Um not quite,
I mean, it gives me a little bit more specific.

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And then, like you said, the great thing about this
twenty three and report is that it also gives you
the region that your family was most likely dropped off at,
and very very very accurate. It told me Jamaica, particularly Clarinet.
Part of me was like, have y'all been like being
through my window? Have y'all been going through my stuff?

(26:30):
You know, people get skeptical about these things. I'm listening.
If you have an iPhone, they have all your joint
already anyway, so you don't. Um. But but yeah, so
it made me think like, wow, you know, they're very
specific about where we ended up. They put Jamaica down
um St. Vincent and the Grenadines, which is where my
dad is from. And then um as well, we saw

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a little bit of Trinidad, and your dad said, you
have family and Trinidad, NICKI Minaj just my family and Trinidad.
She wrote a look about me like, maybe she knew
that's why she kiss with a bad bitch. They came
from Sri Lanka. Maybe she knew too. Listen, Okay, maybe
her that's that is a fact, Nikki. Let me know
because we can do let's let's cross let's cross reference

(27:12):
these results, you know. Um, but it's very interesting too
because when I think about it, there's so many different Like,
for example, in St. Vincent alone, if you go to
the island, there are a ton of different people in St. Vincent.
It's not just people who are from as we know
now South Asia, but there are blacks, they're whites there.
Same is to be said for Jamaica. Jamaica has a

(27:32):
lot of Asian people, not just Indian Asian, but also
Asian as in maybe from China. Um. So it's very
very interesting to see where exactly you might have landed
in this world. It makes you feel like, wow, you
may potentially have a greater connection to a certain area
and it explains why. So um yeah, pretty pretty cool
results here. Um. Let's dive into more of the health now,

(27:55):
because in the report they give you an extensive health
report to let you kind of know what you may
predisposed to because of genetics. It can also be I'm
thinking because of geographic location. Okay, what were the available
resources to you? What was the the nurture nature side
of things? And then it also makes me think about

(28:16):
having to survive by any means necessary. So it required
that our family, our ancestors be able to care for
themselves or feed their families by eating certain things that
then induce certain illnesses and ailments. That's more of the
nurture side, right, So let's dive in. You spoke about
Alzheimer's already UM from your parents uh and your grandparents sides,

(28:42):
and then it looks like both of us after comparing
the results, have hypertension that runs on on both sides.
So we both have the genetic trait that makes us
at higher risk for high pertension. And black people already
in general have a higher risk for that UM compared
to white counterparts for high blood pressure and there less
likely to have it under control. So we can talk

(29:03):
they're less likely to have it under control. And this
this goes to what we also spoke spoke about with
Dr Brown was African Americans and Caribbean Americans disapproval and
distrust in the medical system and the health care system
now because of things like the Tuskegee experiment. There's been
and that's not the only one, but there's been that's

(29:24):
the most popular one that people talk about. UM. There
has been a huge distrust that has grown between the
black community and the health care community because of false
tests and think they were we were given UM diseases
like syphilis to figure out if they can find cures
and see what the long term effects would be. So
for a long time, black people never felt comfortable going

(29:46):
to their healthcare providers. So and as a Black man,
I know, you know, I lost have a buddy who
lost his dad. We're at that age now, where fifties,
sixty years old, some of them seven years old, Like
your dad just recently turned seventy. And my buddy lost
his dad, and I was just like, man, you know,
how did you lose your dad? They always have blood

(30:07):
pressure issues and I was like, oh, it was it
was issues, said no, it wasn't really an issue. He
just didn't want to take his medication. And I was
just like, why why wouldn't he take his medication? And
he was like, well, the blood pressure medication UM gave
him erectile dysfunction because the blood. You know, the penis
is a muscle, but it requires blood to becoming erect
and when the blood flow becomes an issue, it causes

(30:28):
an issue with erectile dysfunction. And he didn't want to
have that issue. So he's just like, oh, I can
I can manage this on my own. Went to sleep
one night and just never woke up in the morning.
Because blood pressure is like a silent killer. You feel
like you're fine and then boom, you know, something happens,
And there are always socio economic reasons why when you

(30:50):
reason like that, it's just like black you know, African
Americans are are believed to be at a higher risk
and less likely to have it under control. They say
it as if we just don't have stuff under control.
They don't speak about the unmitigating factors like, um, the
fact that we have healthcare issues, the fact that we
can't afford healthcare at a higher rate than our white counterparts,

(31:10):
because socio economically, we majority of black people in America
live below the poverty law for sure. None of that's
really unpacked. It's just kind of an umbrella term that
we use for black just at a higher risk, but
how high risk? Watch why? And is it nature verse nurture?
Absolutely no, one of these things will help us make
better decisions for our children and our future. That's why

(31:31):
I keep saying, you can't know where you're going to,
you know where you've been. Think about diet when you
say um. African Americans, for example, are believed to carry
a gene that makes us more salt sensitive. If that's
true or not, we don't know. But what tends to happen.
For example, way way back in the day, during the
enslaved times, right, you're given the scraps to eat, right,

(31:53):
they'll take they'll they'll be the pig, but they'll give you.
They'll take the pork shoulders, they'll take the pork rolls
to take the the healthier health meteor meets yeah, and
it gave me defeat the tail, the tail, what else?
The tongue, the tongue, the intestines, which chitterlings. And it's

(32:14):
a delicacy, a very expensive delicacy. Now listen, you know
I remember the first time tricked me into trying chitterlings. Okay,
I'm walking into your house and I was like, yo,
I was like, what is this? Like hot arm pitting here.
I'm like, what is happening? So I was like, all right,
it did smell like hot armpit? What is going on

(32:36):
in here? So your father was over there, you know,
making this pot of something, and he didn't tell me
what it was. And me being of cribbing descent, I
don't think I've ever had chilings like we've had tripe.
I've never actually had it, but my family will carry
some tripe whenever they're ready, you know. So I remember
tripe is the intestine of the cow, so it's the
same as exactly exactly likely smelled like asked too. One

(33:01):
of my grandmother was making the tripe, but I definitely
felt like I walked in the house and it smelled
like hot ass and armpit. So I was like, damn.
So your father was just like, oh man, try this,
like you know, he was excited about. You know your
father get excited about and if he saying it tastes good,
I'm gonna trust that it tastes good because he is
definitely a good judge of food. Right, So I remember that,
and he took out the hot so seeing the frank okay,

(33:23):
so that's like the staple in your household. So he's
lathering on the hot So he's like, you're like hot souce,
You're like spice, right. I'm like yeah, So he's lading
on that hot sauce and I'm like it, give me
more hot sauce because you know I love hot you
love spicy food. Man, when I took a bite of
that me trying to be polite, you ain't you ain't

(33:44):
this This is interesting taste, the texture is quite you know,
it's lot gummy. What exactly is this? And he was like, man,
this is I was like, oh, I gotta can't believe.
Like the A said, first of all, my adventist family
barely eats pork. Okay, my mom was at all. My dad,

(34:06):
my dad, you know he'll he'll dip in, dab in
a little pork. But curry, I love a jump or
you got someone that juke pol so, you know, definitely
SUTs like, oh my god, I'm like what if I
what if it was against my religion to eat these shipless?
It should be against anybody's religion to eat them chipless.

(34:27):
So in that moment, I'm just saying that to say,
you get the pig intestines. You put everything you need
to put in it, whether it's the salt, where there's
the sugar, whether it's a butter, you have to make
it taste good. And if you're feeding your family the scraps,
you had to find a way to make a taste
of slimming. Excess salt, excess sugar, butter, lard, gravy, all
of those things. Do we not think that that's eventually

(34:50):
going to affect That becomes a culturing like a blood pressure. Yes, yes,
eating all of that salt and sugar and then coupling
it with oh, because onto diabetes, right, my perfect, perfect,
perfect to diabetes and give them a little factul pick
if you don't mind, and then you can elaborate on it.
But type two diabetes has a stronger link to family

(35:11):
history and lineage than type one, and studies of twins
shown that the genetics play a very strong role in
the development of type two diabetes, and race can also
play a role in this as well. Absolutely, but type
two diabetes is completely preventable through your lifestyle choices. So
that's why I'm glad. I'm actually happy you read that first,

(35:32):
because if you think about lifestyle choices, think about our cultures.
You were both people of color, but we both have
mixes of different colors in the right. But one thing
is consistent. All of those different colors have gone through
hardships because of colonialism, and part of colonialism meant that

(35:53):
their people were marginalized. And when you're marginalized, you have
to find ways to survive. So you just talked about
all this wraps you're given, right, given the pigs no out,
the pigtail, the pig hoofs um, the stomach lining, and
the intestines. That's not a lot of the pig. But
you still have to feed a family. So how do
you make this meal good enough for the family? You

(36:14):
take all that stuff up, you make a gravy and
you sprinkle it over large tubs of rice so that
these people can still work and and and that becomes
the culture. For example, think about the movie Soul Food.
Think about how how ironic soul food is. Every Sunday,
this family got together to fix this food that was

(36:35):
filled with saturated facts and sugars and butters and oils
and salts and starts. Big Mama, who was the epic
center of the family, ends up dying from diabetes caused
by eating this food. And you know how they celebrated
her death getting together to eat more food. Because that's
the culture. Right. So when you say African Americans and

(36:56):
race or Caribbean Americans are more susceptible to type two
die A beauties because of culture, that's true. Because we
make lifestyle choices based on traditions, and if tradition means
that you're slowly killing yourself, some of us are not
aware enough to realize that that's exactly what we're existing in.
We're existing in a tradition that's slowly killing us. And

(37:17):
that seguates us to talking into children and how using
this twenty three and me report helped us make greater
lifestyle choices for our sons. For example, telling the story
about the porridge. Oh yeah, right, right right, So I
actually have two stories related to like diabetes. If you
want to say it could be a segue to it
the porridge with some Well, porridge is something that is

(37:38):
very big in a Criman household. You can do different
types of porighes, planting porridges, cormeal powrighes, how many corn
pridge um And that's something that my grandmother gave us
as babies My mom and her siblings had that as
they were growing up, and it's a staple. You go
to any Caremian restaurant, you're gonna definitely find cornmeal, powdge
of some sort of porridge as a breakfast item. But
when you really dissect what it is, it's corn, which

(38:01):
is a starch. Okay, which I learned later on in life.
I always thought corner was a vegetable and it was
my favorite. It ain't a vegetable. It's a starch. So
you're having corn that's dried up and mild, and then
you proceed to boil it in water with milk, and
then you have you know, you're cinnamon. You're not paying
things to make it taste good. And then you have
to add the sugar, of course, and you're just adding

(38:22):
a regular sugar. It is the condensed milk, right, You
have to say it like that, the condensed, right, the
condensed milk or condensed milk, and that is just even
more so thick sugar. It's just all sugar. It's literally
all sugar between the condensed milk and the corn. You're
eating sugar for breakfast. And I remember as a kid

(38:43):
smelling it in the air when my mom would be
making it, and I would start to instantly like cry
because I hated podge. It was a texture thing for me.
But when it came to my children, even my grandmother,
you know, bless her heart, love where she comes and
stays with us, you know, pre covid like every you know,
holiday season, and she was just recently here with us
for a month and she was like, wait, you don't

(39:04):
start the baby pant calm in porridge yet. And I
was kind of like, well, yeah, Grandma, you know, I
just you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna just give it
to him in moderation because I just don't want because
even when I gave it to the kids growing up,
like I never put too much sugar in it, but
it really is just a filler. So when I said
to her, you know, Grandma, nowadays we don't really give
too much porridge and cereal and all that in the milk. So,

(39:25):
you know, her and my mom look at each other
and then yeah, when no young people, then you like
to reinvent the wheel, you know, like after after after
your rears pan calm in porridge or you mean or
you mean, and I'm just like well, Grandma, you know
it's just a filler now, So why not give the
baby like actual like protein or like vegetables for breakfast

(39:47):
versus just giving filler stuff. And she said, and that's
why the baby not sleep at night. You must put
look a porridgeing in battle and then we'll drink it
and sleep not tired. Look Pine, you look pe devout,
And I'm like, I know, Grandma, I know we're tired,
but we're just not going to give him like a
filler just to make him sleep longer, you know what
I'm saying. So that and then think about this. You

(40:10):
go to your favorite Caribbean restaurant right, look forward to
going home so we can go yard Style or any
other restaurant that we enjoyed. Yeah, Golden Crusts flat Lands
between a hundred and hundred for please go support a
lot y'ard still in Brooklyn. Facts they make the best,
the best oxtail and a really good steel chicken and
some the chicken soup slap. But anyway, when you go there,

(40:33):
my only gripe with with them. In any restaurants of
Caribbean flavor, you're gonna ask for a large ox sail.
For example, what kind of rice, rice and peas? Well,
first before you even get there, you have to ask
do you have oxtail because you're liable to order it?
And them said what right? So if them you already

(40:54):
arris and peas and your oxtail and you literally get
rice and p ease with a side of oxtail and
maybe either a steam vege or a salad. Right, and
then you be piste because you just paid almost thirty
dollars for a large oxtail and there's about four pieces
in it. But right, there's two things. Number one, it's
not just the business structure. When your mom makes my

(41:16):
play or when she used to make my place, she
used to pound my plate up with rice too and
then put like a small piece of chickens. And I
used to be like, yo, this is not gonna work
for me. It's not. That's just the culture is just rice, rice, rice,
mad rice on it. And but what happened though the
rice slap right, because we're not just making any regular
old rice is rice with the coconut milk. Coconut milk.
You know, you put a piece of skeleton in it,

(41:37):
you put some time, you put some seasons, put some
piece and that in itself is in me. Like I've
had moments where I'm like, just give me the rice
and pieces with some gravy and I'm going to go,
you know, extra graper pond of rice. So all of
that essentially turns into sugar. It's the starch, and that
is in turn why I feel like a lot of
people of Caribbean descent have sugar as the same thing down. Yeah,

(42:00):
we have, and that's why you have diabetes because of that.
And that's just the thing that we've learned over the years.
If it's not going to be rising ps its ground provision. Yeah,
I mean, eat those things. Those are all starch rooted
and they all convert to sugar. And that's what what
Canina and I talked about, the nature versus nurture. That's
more of nurture. Now, the next thing I want to

(42:21):
talk about is a little bit more nature. Sickle cell
um codeine has the sickle cell trade. So we necessarily
didn't need the twenty three and me report to tell
us this. But the reason why we bring this up
is because in the twenty three and me report, you'll
find out about that because of your genetics. And it
was interesting enough for us because when Codeine got pregnant

(42:43):
with Jackson, she was running through the full gamut of
everything she needed to prepare for the pregnancy. And that's
when we found out that Codeine has the sickle cell trade.
So then they asked me immediately, Devout, do you have
the sickle cell trade? And I had never asked my
entire life. At this point, I'm twenty, about to be
seven years old, I've never asked my physician if I
had the sickle cell trade even a thing to hear,

(43:06):
even like, of course you hear of the disease sickle
cell anemia, but you never even I never even heard
of the trade or potentially caring. My mom knew. My
mom knew because the minute I asked, she said, no,
you don't have the trade. And I said, and I
guess you know now now when I think about the
reason why she never told me I had the trades,
because since I didn't have the trade, I didn't have
anything to worry about. But if I did have the trade,

(43:28):
I would have had to say to you, I have
the trade. Because if I have the sickle cell trade
and Gadeen has the sickle cell trade, it's more than
likely that one of our children, all of our children
could be born with sickle cell anemia R blown And
it's important for you to know these. I don't want
to call them health risk, but these genetic traits because
when you're dating someone, you wouldn't want to know, Hey,

(43:49):
if we decided to have children, our children could be
born with an immune deficiency because we both have the trade.
And we found out that three of our four boys
have the trade. Jackson is the only one who doesn't
have the trade, but Kiro, Kaz, Dakota all have the
ciicles trade exactly something we have to make sure that
they know. Um, when you think about it. When you
think about it too, when you are pregnant, it's like

(44:10):
your body goes under this mini stress test, so they
want to test everything. So anything that potentially may show
up in your life or in your history is going
to show up while you're pregnant. So in that I
was able to find out I had the sickle cell trade.
And it was the thing where I even called my
brother and my sister was like, hey, y'all, I had
the trade. Turns out my mom had it as well
or has it as well too, so she's the one
who passed it on to me, and then in turn

(44:32):
I passed it on to my children. So when you're
looking at certain things like that, that's, you know, part
of history or part of your genetics. Um. Not only
is it important for you to know for yourself, but
you need to know for your children. Like we said,
and you're gonna say something else after after that, I
was saying, um, as it pertains to having children when

(44:52):
you got the COVID. When we all got COVID the
same time around my birthday last year, that's when we
started to see some differences in how people, if sickle
cell anemia or the trade respond to COVID because their
blood coagulates differently and people will get developing blood clots
and some developing strokes. And the reason why this is
important is because if you have a young child, male

(45:13):
or female, who's an athlete and they have sickle cell
anemia or they may have the sickle cellinemia traite and
may have suffered from COVID, that could be a reason
why they may have difficulty breathing or working out after
they are done with COVID. For example, so the young
man from Florida, I can't remember his name who passed out.
I think it was two weeks after being done with COVID.

(45:35):
He went through COVID protocols, everything was good, and this
was he went out on his senior year first game,
was walking out in the court after the time out
and just passed out. And they didn't know what was
happening until they took all the blood tests. Now they
didn't reveal because it's his family. What did the blood
tests reveal? But over time we found out that people
with sickle cell anemia or the trade are hospitalized two

(45:57):
to one after having COVID than people who don't. So
when you have children, it really makes you wonder. The
more I know about my family, can I protect my
children even with sports, even if it doesn't have anything
to do with COVID. I should make sure they eat
differently if their bodies require something different. Remember Um, David
Price's dad, God rest the soul he passed away from

(46:18):
cancer for David Price's dad used to tell David all
the time, man, you guys, he's Jamaican to you guys,
used to eat right for your blood type. And we
used to be like, what does that even meant? Right
for your blood type? But then this book came out
and it was we got the book and it was
talking about eating right for your blood type and how
we all have different genetic traits that require us, because

(46:40):
of different blood types, to eat certain foods. You know
what blew my mind when I read that book was that. So.
I don't know if I've ever shared on the podcast before,
but my mother had a heart attack at Okay, and
that is a large part of the reason why, aside
from her helping to be a part of our village,
to help with our children and give de vol and

(47:00):
I have some reprieve whenever we need that. My mother
worked a very stressful job. She was a director of
nursing for years at a nursing home. Prior to that,
worked in home care, long term care, all that, and
she was under a lot of stress, a lot of stress.
And in reading about our particular blood type, because we
have the same blood type, it showed that stress stress

(47:25):
alone was a huge cause of potential heart attack and
heart disease, heart disease because of our actual blood type
over any other blood type. And that was just mind
blowing to me because when my mother had the heart
attack at fifty, we could not figure out how you

(47:46):
have this woman who is vibrant, she's working a lot.
Granted she may not be eating the best in terms
of like at all the heart attack, she hadn't eaten
for thirty six hours. She had a half a bottle. Yeah, yeah,
she had like a yogurt something. And my mother has
never had a big appetite. Like we put a big
plate of food in front of her, she's like, oh
my god, food, you know. So she she for the
most part, didn't eat frequently, but she didn't eat poorly.

(48:09):
You know. She wasn't eating like the things that you
say would probably need. And she doesn't have a lot
of Salt is a silent killer, but salt is really
a silent killer. Guy. She was eating some, she wasn't
the tetos, not sleeping, not drinking enough water, and she
was working out and stressed and stress. Yea, So my

(48:31):
mother was under just overall, her body was over and
she wasn't sleeping. You know, even to this day now
she'll be like, oh, I can't sleep, like I can.
I only need a couple of hours sleep. Um, and
she doesn't have attack take the subject. But this is
part of the reason why I worked so hard to
take care of you the way awake I worked to
take care of you, right. I look at the way
our parents, both of them, your parents and my parents

(48:53):
just worked like they just worked so hard, and I
admire they their ability to just work and they only
worked to create a legacy for us. We we both
have to We both have a brother and sister. Um
they're both the leaders and their families. So they both
helped their families as well as helping their kids. But

(49:15):
I look at your mom, I look at my mom.
My mom still works, right, And I want to be
able as just a man to be able to say,
you know what, I made my wife's life as stress
free as possible. You know what I'm saying, because if
we have to look out for each other. And I
noticed a little bit off topic, but just listening to

(49:36):
you speak about it and thinking about how because this
is a podcast where we talk about being of service
to each other. When you know your partners um deficiencies,
health deficiencies, you know they have issues, potential risks, it
is it would be in your best interests if you
want your partner to be there for the long haul
to make sure you do everything in your power to
make sure they're good. I know you need sleep all

(49:57):
the time. I'm asked you because you remind me and
your mom still going, going, going, going going. Did you
eat yesterday? God's mind you. We went to bed late
last couple of nights. The whole podcast crew is here
and shout out trouble, Matt, Dave, Josh, they're all here,
and went to bed early last night. But before she
went to bed, I think it was my twelve thirty,

(50:17):
she said, oh, I didn't eat today. And you see
how we always talk about our parents and how our
parents didn't do things the right way. Here we are
doing the same ship that they did, talking about my
parents should have did better for themselves. And you don't
realize that. You're like, what were you doing? Why didn't
you eat? And it's like, well, ship, I had to
work out because you came in and we all we
both hold each other accountable with working out. And that's

(50:38):
one thing that would be on my back about. And
it's not about just me having whatever he deems a
perfect figure. He wants my internal body to be okay
after the postpartum reclampsion. I'm me on you about trying
to get sleep and working and working out for sure,
But I was like, shoot, I was like getting the kids.
You know, Cath need his school uniform, take clothes for
the morning this time. And there's so many things that
had to be done by the end of the night

(50:58):
once the kids are asleep that I didn't realize. I
didn't even bring it eat all day, you know. So
it's just we have that accountability system with each other.
And I mean, let me tell you all days, it
ain't roses because he'd be like, did you work out
to day? You come to work out now, and I'm like,
I don't feel like working out, studs just tired. But
then trying to say, you know what, at the very least,
like we've discovered. You told me recently that everybody should

(51:20):
be trying to walk at least twenty minutes a day.
That's bare minimum minimum. And he I'm gonna tell you
the people people listen to me right now because everybody
got excuses and I have time. I had so much.
There's nobody in the world, no matter how busy you are,
don't have twenty minutes to walk straight, just twenty minutes

(51:40):
straight consistently every single day. Nobody get up and just
walk twenty minutes straight. And I'm not talking about a stroll,
a brisk walk that develops a sweat, because when you
take a stress test, the first thing they do is
put you on a treadmill and make you walk for
twenty minutes to see if you can sustain it. You
have to be able to do that, right. It's just
good for heart health. Now, there are some physical benefits

(52:03):
you'll gain from walking, but heart health is important. Circulation
is important. We're talking about mental health, the ability for
your brain to relax while you just you know, now,
don't even put on music, get some meditation music, and
just walk and don't think about anything else except just
going twenty minutes straight at the bricks vers. Wish I
was doing that for me. Sometimes I'm like, shoot, I
have to check these emails and then I'm like, damn,

(52:24):
I how to walk though, So sometimes I can't even
have the opportunity to turn my mental health. But it's like, yo,
if I can get on this treadmill, do a consistent
walk and just like breathe through, delete emails whatever, whatever,
like do some housekeeping stuff, you know, little things like that,
do some touch bases, jump on the phone with some
money and be like, hey, and A, I'm supposed to
call you back, like, use those opportunities to be able
to at least get that twenty minutes in. So that's

(52:45):
super super important. Um, and then I'm going to divolt
something that I probably never divulged. I don't think do
anyone really well? You do know because alright, prior to
having Dakota and I and I re gonna start something
when when you say this, but go ahead, you think
of us our something. I know because I know the Internet,
I know Beyonce's Internet, and I know the minute you

(53:07):
say this is people gonna be saying, go a head,
go ahead. No, okay, so what we're gonna out? So
our preface it by saying we're not gonna go ahead,
and I'll tell you why we're gonna go ahead. So
this was something that was thought out. It's not something
that we just arrived at all willy nilly and was
just like I will see how it goes. So prior
to even get it pregnant with Dakoda, Devin and I
want defense about four or five kids. Do we have
one more or do we have two more? I will
say that even while I was pregnant with Dakoda. Through

(53:30):
my pregnancy, I was kind of warming up to the
idea of potentially having one more and hitting y'all with
a back to back like like how kirroon Cass came
back to that. I was like, you know what, if
I'm if this is gonna be the end, I might
as well have this fourth baby, who's the coda and
then just do it one more time and get it
over with. And it didn't matter, and it didn't matter
to us if it was a boy or a girl,
because we had this conversation before and it was just like,

(53:52):
if we have four, we have four boys. If we
try for the fifth and we have five boys, we
have a full basketball team, that's the fact. But if
we have four and a girl, then we finally got
our girls. So from the very beginning when we were
deciding this, it was never about a certain sex or gender.
It was just about having four or five kids, right
because I felt like we were in a space where
initially I was like, man, I only want like two

(54:13):
or three kids, because I was thinking about our circumstances.
We were in Brooklyn, we were still busting our ass
day in and day and we still bust our ass
to this day on a different level. And we had
the space here. So in my bliss being here in
our new home and being pregnant with our fourth child,
I'm like, oh, we do have extra rooms. So if
we did have a fifth child, no problem with five
is my favorite number. So people don't know that, Yes,

(54:33):
that's like, do we do the even thing or do
we do the odd thing? So UM, I was warming
up to the idea of it. I will admit that
the thing that put the kabash in it for me,
and it's one of those things where you pray for
um a sign, you pray for some direction. You're like, God,
you know if this is for me, let me know
if it ain't for me, removing from my life. After
having CODA at home, pristine pregnancy, pristine labor, and also

(54:57):
talking about um the way coalulates, they had me on
blood thinner so like a baby, I should say, not
blood thinner, but a baby aspirin um every day of
my pregnancy with CODA because they were concerned potentially about
that being an issue for me because of the protein
spid after having covid, because I had COVID at the
very beginning, before I even knew I was pregnant with CODA.

(55:19):
In retrospect now I'm like, wow, it's about five weeks
pregnant and I had COVID and it was pregnant with CODA.
So that was alarming in itself for me. But pristine pregnancy,
pristine home birth, had CODA. Nine days later, ends up
with skyrocketing blood pressure, insane headache that would not go away,
swelling in my my hands, at my feet. I had
to go to the emergency room immediately because my midwife

(55:42):
was concerned, and when I got there, was met with
a triage nurse who tried to maintain her cool, but
I can also see the concern in her face when
she told me that I would have to be admitted
immediately because my blood pressure at that point was like
over likelous, ridiculous, and I'm your normal sixty seventy kind

(56:02):
of person. She came into me and she said, um, hey,
Mr Rellis, we have we have your wife. We're gonna
admit her now. It says everything okay, And she said
we're gonna admit her now right now. We have to
get her started on magnesium. We have to get that
blood pressure down. It's a good thing you brought her in.
And I said that she gonna be okay. She was
just like, it's a good thing that you brought her in,

(56:23):
and I was just like, man, is my wife gonna
be okay? She said, your wife could have went to
sleep and not woke up. And she said this happens
more often than not. Two people they feel like they
have a headache, that something's not right, and they think
it's oh, I'm not sleeping. And then he said, you
know how many people coming here and they were seconds
away from having an aneurysm or having a stroke or

(56:46):
going into some sort of of cardiac arrest because something
didn't feel right and they were just going to sleep
it off. And that reminds me of your mom. Your
mom left the gym that day, said she didn't feel
well and said I'm just gonna go upstairs and taken
and your brother said, Mom, let me check your vitals
and said, this don't feel right. We're going into the hospital.

(57:06):
Imagine if your brother and if if Takia or I
didn't take you, or your mom's in the hospital. It's
crazy how God works, because my brother wasn't even supposed
to be home that day. But you see how and
he was home close that is the home. Like you
see how we could have been talking about your mom
not being here, and we could have talked about you
not being here. And these are just regular days. It
was nothing catastrophic that happened, right, This is a regular

(57:28):
day that we made a choice. And you know why
we didn't go that day was because the val had
to leave for the Soul Train Awards and she was
here doing his fitting and I had the baby, and
I was just like, man, my head doesn't fear right.
But to me in my moment, in that moment, I
was like, I want to make sure you're good, like
we always wanted to make sure everybody else is good
and then in turn not taking care of ourselves. So
and get into the hospital and realizing that, wow, I

(57:49):
was diagnosed with postpartum preclampsha, which normally you hear about
preclamption while pregnant, so that's having high blood pressure issues
during the pregnancy. Never had any sign of that. So
what I learned is, like I said earlier, when your
body is under this mini stress tests as a pregnant woman,
it kind of gives you a little bit of inclination

(58:10):
or a little triggers to let you know, hey, having
high blood pressure while pregnant means that there's a very
great possibility that you will have blood pressure hypertension issues
in the future. And that's something that I don't even
want to speak over my life because y'all can have
y'all little triggers and y'all a little you know, pregnacy signs,
but I'm not going to speak high pretension over my life. However,

(58:32):
I do know that it runs in my family. So
whatever I can do now to help to prevent that,
whatever lifestyle changes I need to prevent now. I mean
when Devine sometimes meal prep now that I'm trying to
get myself back in shape after the baby and just
try to be healthier and live healthier, we'll cook meal
prep stuff and we'll eat that, and then we'll go

(58:52):
maybe to a restaurant or eat you out somewhere else,
and we would like, damn, wasn't that fool really salty?
Or like, damn, that was really sweet. So it's almost
as if're palette change. Your palette changes, and it shifts.
Sometimes your body requires a detox, but to kind of
start over, if you can change your palette as an adult,
you can curate a palette for a child. For example,

(59:14):
our children eat sugar free ices. They don't taste any
different to them because they're not even used to just
eating the regular We grew up on the Italian ices
with magic. I still eat them. But what we're trying
to do with all this information is curate a lifestyle
for our children where they can live healthier and not
have to worry about those extended pre existing conditions because

(59:36):
we didn't add to it with our traditional family things.
And it's not that we're trying to take these things
away from our kids, because we're still going to explain
to them who they are and why we do things
a certain way. But it's just making choices, you know.
Make sure you guys are active all the time, make
sure you eat things the right way, don't put because
our kids, Yes, everything has to be done in moderation,
you know. So because what's gonna happen is like you're

(59:58):
not gonna tell me I'm not gonna eat these candy
ams on on on things, okay, but you're not gonna
tell me you're gonna take that you know, pork, What
is it the turkey, nick or whatever out of the
colleague gonna have the heavy cream in the mac and cheese.
That's what we're gonna have. But we're not eating that
every day, so I said, I say, we're not doing

(01:00:19):
it every day, but as well Thanksgiving, I'll be eating
it for a couple of days after. That's really really
really nicely. Um so yeah, there's ways to even just
detox the body and kind of start over and kind
of refresh. I think that's needed every now and again too.
If you ask my grandmother, she'd be likely to give
the pick them then wash out before school starts, you know,
like the end of the summer. It's like you gotta
reset the body. You got to get that laxative, that

(01:00:41):
wash out to kind of make sure that you're getting
rid of the things that your body. Yeah, so, um, well,
shout out to shaniqua Um the homie on Instagram. She's
high frequency tea and I did her the bidda Um
detox when I first moved here, and um, yeah, that
was an interesting detox because it tasted like all hell,

(01:01:01):
but I felt amazingly light after that. Like you don't
always taste good, That's true. That's just what it is.
That's how I knew it was. Vegetables are what's the
real deal when you eat during something that tastes nasty. Yes,
so we should have around here to talk about some
natural ways and then in turn take care of the
body versus having to potentially maybe get on medication later,

(01:01:23):
starting that before being proactive versus reactive. Al Right, guys, So,
as you guys know, twenty three and Me has given
us um some health tips of what we pre disposed
to genetically. But they've also given us some fun facts
like carrier status and wellness and traits that can affect
us on our everyday life. And I think this would
be fun to go through so we can see how

(01:01:44):
accurate this is based on how we interact on the daily.
When Devout calls me crazy or delusional on a random day,
it may not be just crazy and delusion. It may
be genetics. I wonder if you're pre disposed to dropping
it because you like dropping it a lot, I like
catching it, Probably you predisposed and I'm predisposed to catching them.

(01:02:08):
It's the perfect marriage. Let's dive in, Shelly, all right,
So when we look at some of my health predispositions.
I guess that we have, according to my twenty three
and me report, a slightly increased risk of age related
macular D generation. So that's a m D loss of
eyesight that usually begins to show up in your sixties

(01:02:30):
and seventies. Smoking highly increases this risk. Oh mg, am
I have to put down to hookah. I don't know
hooka Mommy, damn Ain't nobody trying to lose this eyes side? Baby,
I want to see you. I want to see you
well into my hundreds, I think, I think, And then oh,
it actually picked up that I'm a carrier status UM

(01:02:51):
for not necessarily the sickle cell anemia variant, but one
was detected for the beta the last mia. Lord, I'm
gonna give me all these big words to talk about,
I thought me. You know, we always see them commercials
on TV. Who got Mezzo? Like? What does anybody know? What? Me?
Can anybody who's actually had that right in for a

(01:03:13):
listener letter because we see it all the time, and
I just get to meet somebody who's had that. So yeah,
But pretty much, it's a genetic disorder characterized by anemia
and fatigue UM as well as bone deformities and organ problems. Yikes.
So a person must have two variants in the HBB
gene in order to have this condition. So let's hope
I an't got none of that. Well know the reason
why that's good though, because now you know if the

(01:03:35):
kids have it and they gat someone who has the
same variants or similar variant or two variants, then they
are more likely to have it. So it's important to know.
It's definitely important to know. And then under the wellness category,
my report says that I'm like likely to drink slightly
less caffeine than the average based on my gematics. Have
yet to see that yet day Baby air day, which

(01:03:57):
is funny, Bill. When I was pregnant, I did not
coffee at all, actually gave me more heightened morning sickness. Um,
but yeah, I mean I can't go a date without
coffee or two if I chose to. My thing is
I love a warm beverage in the morning. So if
it's not coffee, it's a cup of tea, I'm gonna
have something. And then, also recording to my report, my
genetic muscle composition is common in power elite elite. You

(01:04:22):
know what they're talking about, right, that bum, that bubble,
that's that's where the power comes from. But the hamstrings,
the whole glued hamstring, posterior chain area like a track
athlete volleyball. If you get that from your mother, love,
that was playing netball in Jamaica, running track, and then
you got that the glutes. Okay, that's all genetic, baby, Yes,

(01:04:44):
make sure you think my mother to day. All right,
all right, And I'm more likely to be a deep sleeper.
Absolutely on the rare occasion that I can't actually get
into a deep sleep, I'm going to sleep rare occasion though,
rare occasion, and then athlete traits. Okay, okay, okay. So

(01:05:05):
for my wellness, it says that my body composition is
common in elite power athletes. Makes sense because I've been
elite power athlete my whole life, playing football, playing basketball.
You're not together making little power leap athletes. That's why
make the Jackson cairo kas at the code. They're gonna
be out here, run it all over everybody. Absolutely, it
says I'm less likely to be a deep sleeper. That

(01:05:26):
makes sense, It does, yes, because I to be honest,
I don't think my eyes ever closed. I feel like
I'll be sleeping like this the whole night and time
to get up, or you're thinking too much, you don't know,
want to turn your brain off. I'm always thinking. Plus
also being the man of the house, I never want
to hear someone. I always want to be aware of
someone's entering or exiting the house. And it's been that
way since the apartment. Like I just want to know,

(01:05:48):
so I don't feel like I sleep heavy at all.
Absolutely all right, let's go with some traits. So do
you and nine boats it looks like have at chance
of being able to match a musical pitch so sing.
I think the record has shown based on karaoke. We're
in season nine. That's not a talent I have. I

(01:06:09):
ain't even want. Wow, look at this one. This is
actually so spot on. Slightly higher odds of disliking cilantro.
Oh wow, guys, I hate cilantro. Cilantro can go somewhere
and die, like literally, like I have no use for it,
but barely Mexican food because it's cilantro. According to the report,

(01:06:31):
you are not likely to have early hair lows cat
cat right, Well, it's somewhat a cat because my hair
lows is more stress based your counterparts. And when I'm
when I'm resting and not filming, my hair is fuller.
Whenever I get into that season of filming months and
months at the time, my hair definitely things out. So

(01:06:52):
that's true. But here this one, here I noticed his
cat likely prefer salty over sweet cat. I love sugar.
Less likely to have a fear of public speaking for me. Hello,
that makes sense. Look at your last one. But average
odds of hating chewing sounds? You kiss yo. Y'all know

(01:07:13):
how condem is about people who made this. I literally
want to hug you. It's so true. More than an
average to be afraid of heights. Yes, I'm afraid of heights. Yes,
I can't smell. I can't stand the smell of asparagus.
I mean I'm indifferent to that. Wow, I prefer vanilla
over chocolate ice cream. I do less likely to dislike

(01:07:34):
chewing sounds. I could care less about chewing sounds. You
want to know why I'd be focused on my food,
not other people, unlike my wife here, who will stop
eating her food just to see if she can hear
if somebody's chewing. You're a lunatic. And now we know
it's genetically You're a genetic lunatic. That's the reason why
you are the way you are. So you're calling me
a lunatic all these years? Are you just calling me?

(01:07:55):
As you see me? You can't help you? I love that.
I can't help myself, y'all. Now we know I'm crazy
and he's crazier for being in this world with me.
You love it here baby, period. All right, that was
pretty cool discussion twenty three and me thank you all
for that report. Like now I know my bad bits
from Street Vodka. Y'all can't y'all can't tell me that's it.

(01:08:15):
But what I am going to tell you that is
that we need to break um so we can go
into listener letters because we do still have that as
a portion of the show on season nine of Listener Letters.
I'm excited to dive in. So let's take a break
and we'll be right back. We are back with listener Letters.

(01:08:39):
I will go ahead and read this first one. All right,
So this one seems very ambiguous. A man has been
with a woman, he has three kids by youngest it's eleven,
and has recently moved them into a new house. Reason
for moving is because he says that his kids had
outgrown the house they were previously living in and his
youngest daughter didn't have her own room. I've been dealing

(01:09:01):
with this man for the last twenty four years, and
I also have his first child, aged two. He tells
me that we're going to be together and has also
told me that he's going to marry me one day,
but he has to make sure that they're good before
he leaves so he won't have to so they won't
need him or be in poverty. My question to you,
does this sound like a situation I should wait for

(01:09:24):
or should I hit the hills running. I'll be listening
faithfully to hear your response. Okay, so this is this
is a very um loaded question and there is no
right or wrong answer. But I will say this, in
situations like these, you have to look at two perspectives. Right.
I understand her perspective as a woman. Right. It says

(01:09:47):
that they've been together for twenty four years, which means
even if they were together from fifteen, they're still thirty nine, right,
which means that's time. Time is of the essence. They
have children together, the first and the third child of
both theirs, and one in the middle is not hers,
so we don't know if there was a break there
or not. But she says she's like, yo, he bought
a house. We all live in together, but she wants

(01:10:08):
to get married. She wants the title. I understand where
she's coming from, because as a woman in society, when
you live with a guy for a long time and
you're not married, people look down on you. They don't
look down on him, you know what I'm saying. They're
just like, oh, she's sticking around and he's playing house
and he doesn't have to commit to her. So I
understand where she's coming from. So the title means a
lot to her. Similar to when we got married, you

(01:10:29):
you would like, I'm not going to be your living girlfriend,
and I was just like, Okay, I want to get married,
but I'm not ready to get married yet. This is
where I talk about where I understand his perspective. Right
when Codein and I were getting married, and I'm going
to use us as an example because a lot of
women have agreed with you in the terms, and a
lot of men have agreed with me. When we were

(01:10:50):
getting married. Codine's focus was on the wedding. My focus
was on the marriage and my line, you know, because
you wanted to have the perfect wedding, that something you
dreamed about. I wanted to have the perfect marriage in
part because I felt like the pressure would be on me.
The same way. If you're living together with me for
years and we're not married, everyone looks at you. If

(01:11:11):
we go into a financial hardship and we're married, everyone's
gonna look at me. So as a man, it's a
little bit more difficult to make that decision to say,
I want to ask this this woman to be my wife,
but I'm not in a place financially where I want
to be so that I can take care of anything,
if everything, if something happens. I know what that feels
like as a man, but I also have empathy enough

(01:11:32):
to understand what a woman feels like when she feels
like she's being dragged along. The way these two can
come to amicable decision is by constantly having communication. She
probably doesn't feel comfortable being honest with him in real time,
and he probably doesn't feel comfortable being honest with her
in real time. It's almost like I don't know exactly
how to say what it is I want to say,
but if they learn how to communicate and express what

(01:11:55):
they need in order to move forward, they'll be able
to do it collectively. And I think that's what the
problem is because even her asking the questions, do I wait,
but do I run for the hills, It's like, what
are you waiting for? Be open and say what you need.
You were open and said what you needed, and at
the time I felt like it was pressure. But I
was open and said how I felt. But it's pressure,
and I told you what I needed. Where I failed

(01:12:17):
in that moment was my dad always told me, when
it comes to finances, you take the stress off of
your wife. That's your responsibility. I know it may seem
old school, but my father said, when you ask a
woman to be your wife, it is your fiduciary responsibility
to take care of her and the children that you
had her you had asked her to have for you.
So for me, I felt a different level of responsibility

(01:12:40):
being a man, because I felt like it's my responsibility
to take care of all of y'all, whereas you probably
felt like we can do this together. We never had
that conversation of what my mindset was and getting married.
All I said was I wasn't ready in a moment.
And when you hear I'm not ready, you think, what,
You're not ready to get married, And I'm like, no,
it's not that I'm not ready to get married. I

(01:13:00):
just don't think I'm financially prepared to go through the
entire marriage right now. And you know, the expect the
expectation for me was never for you to take care
of me, which was I think ultimately was where we
kind of like different on opinions you according to like
your dad, which shout out to Scoop again for being
like a stand up dude to say, hey, bro, like
you need to be able to take care of your family.
Where I'm just like, Bro, you and I together can

(01:13:22):
do anything. Like I was excited just about the vigor
you had for life, and I had the same vigor,
so it's like we can do this together. Like I'm
not depending on you, but I know as a man,
you have your own particular set of you know, I
guess your checklist of things where we're checking off certain
things like I want to be married by this time
or have children by this time. You have your checklist
of I want to be able to do this. I
want to be able to pay off my house and

(01:13:43):
get my wife this, I completely understand it. And I
also understand that when things go wrong, people generally, when
you're looking at a married couple, tend to blame the
husband if they're having issues. You know, I know a
particular situation where that's exactly what happened. Wife was just
at fault for not working and taking care of her,
and neither one of them work and he wasn't, so

(01:14:04):
neither of them were working. And it's just like, y'all,
you were in the situation, and it's not just him
and it's not just her. Ever, everyone blame him and
then and the thing is, they will talk about double
standards in the world and it's not fair. We get
it's not fair, right, but they are what they are, right.
The double standard. A man can live with a wife,
will live with a woman for years and nobody will
say anything to him, but they'll judge her. They can

(01:14:27):
go through financial hardships, they won't say anything about her,
but they'll judge him. That's the double standards. And I
think a lot of people get caught up and trying
not to be a part of those narratives that for
women it's like, I need to get married, so I
don't want to be a stay at home and for
a man, He's like, I don't want to seem like
a dead beat husband. I gotta make sure my finances
are straight. If those two people just speak and be

(01:14:48):
honest about the plan and what they want to do,
they'll be fine, period. So I wouldn't say run for
the hills. I would say begin that dialogue about what
your life is looking like and what you want to do,
because you never know, and I don't for some people
that say they've been together twenty four years, that's a
long time. Listen, there's no age that you can look
at someone and count their pockets and say they're prepared

(01:15:08):
for life. Because I know people older than me who
still need help financially and still need hope emotionally, and
just still need help. So it's difficult for you to
look at someone's are the forty years or he should
have had his life together. There's plenty of people our
age who don't have their life together, many people older
than us who don't. So we have to also stop
doing that to people and tell them they should have
their life together by their mid twenties. Or they've a failure.

(01:15:32):
You know, things take time for different people. Absolutely, so
good Luxus, thank you for being a faithful listener, and
I hope you got your answer all right. Number two,
what are your thoughts on supporting your partner as they
build a business that but you aren't married? Will This
is actually a perfect second question. By support, I mean
doing the admin side or groundwork for free. Should this

(01:15:53):
be reserved for married couples since there is more security
in marriage. Girls ain't shing period first and four mostsum
or as just a girl or guy. I don't know
who wrote it, as it was a man or a woman. Um,
there ain't no security and nothing. So just feeling like, oh,
because I'm married now their security absolutely not because things
fall apart, okay, Um, I guess they're more at stake

(01:16:16):
in terms of like how things will be divided if
you're married and then you end up divorcing, and like
what does that business look like and what does the
revenue look like? How it's going to be split? That's different.
But I supported Devout for free when he had just
a dream. Absolutely, and I worked as your I guess
your administrative assistant when you were starting for example, your

(01:16:38):
prototype business with the kids and training, um, I would
work in the right We were engaged at the time,
and yeah, I mean at that time it was just
an idea for Devout, like, oh, you know, I want
to be able to do this, and I'm like, all right, cool.
I was always down for the cause, even from day one.
When Devout told me about all his hopes and dreams,
I'm like, awesome, how are we gonna make this happen?

(01:16:58):
But that's but I think that's the the question though.
It's like, and I'm asking you personally because I don't
want to know to like, because I know what my
answer is to this question. For you, I don't hear you.
What was it about me that you said I feel
safe helping this person even without any commitment. When I
think about you helping me read my dog. You know

(01:17:19):
what I'm saying. And it went both ways because I
remember when you were an audio video class and you
needed someone to hold the camera and you know, hold
the white paper to be your your white balance. You
were actor in a music video I had to do
in class. You remember, listen, you're acting day started. You're
the first person to cast me in my first make
sure you're give me my credits when you get your ASCAR. Okay,

(01:17:40):
so they always ask this is why. So now I'm
gonna ask the question. This answer the question. This is
why you don't help people when you're not married, because
they come back later on them. But we've always been
supportive of each other. And I know why I was
supportive you, But why um de value from day one

(01:18:02):
have exhibited such a charisma and such unyielding work ethic
for anything that you want. That seeing that early on
was enough for me to be brought into your dreams
as well. You always worked hard. You had all these
ideas in your mind, and you may not be the

(01:18:23):
the best that like administrative follow up or just things
like that, because you're you're you're creative to the max.
So but you do know how to delegate responsibility and
you do know how to empower people around you to
be at their best potential in whatever facet they're working at.
Because if there's a collective goal, a collective dream, a
collective business, you're really great about mapping that out. And

(01:18:43):
I saw that early on, Um, and it was starting
from even just your NFL days. You know, you were
trying to just you know start that nest day, and
you say, if I get to the NFL, this would
be a great way for me to have that nestay
to start my life for my family, so then I
can in turn not be a starving actor. You put
the wheels in motion, and that was enough for me
to be brought into your dream because I said, this
man is motivated, so we can do this together. So

(01:19:05):
what you're saying was it wasn't the talking, it was
you watching me work. So we're on the same page.
Because when now this is this is actually a great
topic because I just had a conversation with a bunch
of dudes, my young boys who are graduating college. Now
they it's like, yo, course devout, Like how much time
should I put into a chick that I'm not that's
not going to be my wife or whatever? Because the

(01:19:27):
city girls out here trying to get paid and I
ain't trying to get got. And now the city boys
is like these bitches, I'm going out for me, and
it is, yes, the thing, that's the full thing. Everybody's
out for self, or at least on social media days.
I mean, shoot, if you're not on TikTok, you oh,
and I'm not on TikTok. I own that I hate
you hurt and looking at TikTok. But I've started to

(01:19:49):
realize even listening to people's comments or commentary on social media,
their example of why, for example, niggas ain't ship or
bitches ain't ship always goes back to their choices. I
was dealing with this nigga and and I was dealing
with this bit and she la. So maybe you should
check your choices rather than rather than passing a wide

(01:20:11):
net over all of the people in the world, you
should be more have more discernment with who you choose
to give your time to. So for example, if you
notice that a dude or a girl it's always talking
about what they're gonna do and not do it, and
you feel like you're going to be the person to
push them, and you realize that you're doing all the work.
You should have noticed that before they started working and

(01:20:33):
they was just talking. But I see people do this
all the time. They hear someone talk about their dreams
and they're like, I'll help them do their dreams. And
even sometimes you help that person do their dream, they
take the dream and they move on. It's like they
never asked you to help them with the dream you
chose to step in and do it. You gotta start
looking at people and letting them tell you who they
are and believing them. The first time. Yeah, with with you,

(01:20:55):
I was like, she actually working, She actually doing all
the stuff. Are A A D R D one R
A A D and R D of the year every
single year. When you started at MAC you you went
from a third key, I mean you were from part
time to a third key to a manager. All of
this was quick. So I was like that she works hard.
So I felt like if I could help her, I

(01:21:16):
could give her autonomy to move in the world that's
always marginalize as women. You know what I'm saying, we
still exist in the patriarchy. So for me, because we
don't know if there's a man or a woman, I
look at I look at my girl at the time
because you weren't my wife, my girl, and I was
just like, I want her to be able to feel
comfortable making moves and know when somebody got her. So

(01:21:38):
for me, that's what it was. It wasn't it wasn't even.
It was just about being present so that you felt
comfortable that if you fell, I was there. Or if
you need somebody to step in and be a bull
going into these things, you had somebody with you. So
for me, it wasn't so much about what I could gain,
but it was about seeing you actually put in the
working and me wanting to be a part of seeing
you do your dream. So I think that's really what

(01:22:00):
it should be. And I don't think it should just
be reserved for couples once they get married, because how
do you know you're building a foundation with someone before
marriage unless you start working before them before then exactly.
That's a good point. That's a really good point. I
hope that helped you out, y'all. Really good listener letters
for today, A nice way to round out this twenty
three and Me Report episode. Um, let's give him a

(01:22:22):
moment of truth. But before we do that, make sure
if you are trying to be considered as a listener letter,
email us at dead as Advice at gmail dot com.
That's right, that's D E A D A S S
A D V I C E at gmail dot com.
All right, and moment of truth time. I guess my
moment of truth is actually what my initial karaoke song was.

(01:22:44):
I was gonna go do going into this until I
found out I was a bad bit from Sri Lankan
that changed it. Um. But thinking about Diana Ross and
mahogany Um, do you know we're going to do you
know the things that life are showing you? Do you know?
Do you know? And if you don't know, now you
know perfect segue um. But there are resources, there are

(01:23:04):
ways out there for you to find out who you
really are, being able to date it back to location um,
dating back to health um. Knowing more and having the
tools and the opportunity to be able to advance your
knowledge on history, your own history, I mean, even if
you're not interested in all the other histories that are
happening at least no yours at least nor yours and

(01:23:28):
and and tap into resources that will allow you to
do so so you can make the changes you need
to make to make this life the best and the
healthiest and the longest you can facts. My moment of
truth is extremely simple. Shout out to twenty three and
me for these beautiful reports. It helped me dive even
deeper into the role my ancestors played in what is America?

(01:23:49):
Number one and number two, the role they played in
who I am today both physically knowing why I look
the way I look, mentally why um, I have the
type of fortitude I have, but also emotionally why I
feel so strongly about the things I feel about that
going on in the world, but also helping me figure
out how I'm going to create a plan to have

(01:24:09):
my children exists in a space that's more um beneficial
for them health wise, physically, mentally, and emotionally by understanding
what's nature versus nurture and using what I can nurture
to make the nature less prominent. Oh that was a word.

(01:24:29):
That was That was a word A little fine as
look at you sitting over there, stop playing all right, y'all,
just saying okay that that's holding this way together today, baby,
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(01:25:12):
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inspire you to take a closer look at your health history,
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(01:25:35):
about our past while also holding the keys to certain
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