Season 15 Ru-United

It’s not just the cast who’s back together! Alec and Loni reunite after Alec’s cruise and they’re ready to Ruview this reunion. The queens gathered with Ru one last time before the Grand Finale next week to hash out everything Season 15. Unseen footage, unaired reads, gossip, shade, tears, it’s all you could want in one episode. Plus, we think Alec is in his jealous era.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome back to another episode of
Squirrel Friends, the Official RuPaul's Drag Race Podcast. I almost
said that whole thing in a single breath, but did
you hear the catch in my voice. I've been gone,
I've been out of You've been gone, Alec and this
is and I'm Lonnie Love. I'm not gonna even let
you interesting because I'm so mad that you, because I

(00:27):
missed you. I honestly, listen, I'm mad at you too.
Let me tell you. Okay, first of all, i'm mad
at you. Two what are you mad at me? Well,
I'll talk about an instant Okay, okay, okay, but but
I'm feeling some kind of way. I'm feeling some kind
of way I got. Hello. Let's talk about the fact
that you were on a cruise last episode, so you

(00:47):
couldn't be there. So what happened? How about the cruise?
I went on a gay cruise of Central America. I
went to Cartagena and Colombia. That's the reason I went.
I mean, I've been to the Caribbean before. I'm like,
who cares, I've been to Mexico. I mean not that
the Caribbeans. I'm not saying who cares? Like, who cares
about the Caribbean. I'm saying I've done. I'm not kidding, Lonie.

(01:07):
I've done about fifty cruises. I mean as an actor,
as a performer. That's that was my bread and butter
for a really, really long time. Right, So I didn't
do the cruises for a long time because my kid
needed me and I was working in La Blah blah
blah and dad, yeah, yeah, I've been a dad. So
I was like, Central America, I want to go. We
did stop in Key West on the way to Colombia,

(01:28):
which is beautiful. Now. Key West used to be like
the gay part of Florida because it's impossible to get
to right you. It's like it's like Provincetown. It's the
very tip of Massachusetts in the cake. So it was
always referred to as an artist calumny, which means that's
where all the people are. So I went and I

(01:49):
filmed a show there more than twenty years ago, so
I hadn't been in more than twenty years. It still
seemed a lot of the same, but there were a
lot of Trump T shirts in the tourist windows and
as Californian as somebody who lives in a blue state.
That was jarring. It was just kind of like, yeah, campy, yeah, yeck.
But the cruise was great. I know you're gonna go

(02:11):
on a cruise. Yes, I'm doing my European tour. Yeah.
We had three s days where I thought I was
going to be sick to my stomach, where I was like,
I'm gonna die. You didn't bring anything to take. I
took Zannix, Oh Zanex and that, so I was walking
around really dopey. Highlight of the cruise, I'm gonna give
a big shout out a lot of great performers, but

(02:32):
the one that really blew me away was Audra McDonald,
six time Tony Award Bean actress. I love her. I
was just like, this is the most one of the
most talented people you'll ever see. She was just she
not only just sings, she tells you a whole story
in her acting and their interpretation song. And then I
got back. I was really really glad to see my family.

(02:53):
I was driving my kid to an appointment I had
in the car, I listened to Squirrel Friends and when
your voice came on with Trixie Mattel, I felt like
someone was cheating on me. I felt like a lover
had said, listen while you were away, listen, We're all human.
I felt attracted to somebody, and I decided why not

(03:17):
to act on it, and that we our relationship is
strong enough to withstand this. Well, you know what, Trixie
was kind enough to fill in for you, lack. I
don't want to hear la la la la. Anyone was very,
very different. But thank you to Trixie Mattel, thank you
filling in. But I did miss you because I had

(03:38):
to do the stuff that you do, which is like
the introductions, the describing of the clothes. I was like, yeah,
she had on a long white gown. She had on
a wig and a dress. I was like, red, I
hate this because I was trying to get Trixie to
do it Trixy and I was like, hey, bitch, oh
you do it okay. You know the thing I was
jealous of is that you guys had great chemistry. Oh

(04:02):
you really did have great conversation. It's a conversation, Alex,
you and I are You are always my number one
no squirrel friends. He's in his jealous a something something
has broken. I'd like Cynthia Nixon and sex of the city.
You broke us, We missed you. This is why we

(04:26):
love you, Alec and this is Squirrel Friends Season fifteen,
episode fifteen, tell them the spoilers. All right, I forgive you,
give you. I'm I'm very secure in my abilities. It
was just like, you know what it was. You know
what it was. It was like, you know, I don't

(04:48):
get to see you every week, but I do get
to keep key with you and laugh and everything. So
to hear that it went on without me, it was like,
oh you had fomo. Yeah, we missed you, we missed
we missed you. And I kept saying Trixie Matteill, our
guest co host, every time I introduced because I didn't
want anybody to you know, you know how things can

(05:09):
get like Trixie, You're not Lonnie s fuck you. Trixie
was very different. She was very different and we appreciate her.
Usually I talked to a Filipino lady every week, so
I bet sable Squirrel Friends, we're gonna talk about the

(05:30):
season fifteen reunion. That's what I'm really going to talk about.
And since we are now, I'm going to put you
to work, because Squirrel Friends, it's time for fifteen seconds
to say. This is where Alec and I have fifteen
seconds to race and say all of our most important
thoughts and takes on a topic given to us by
our producers. Now, we found out during this reunion special
that a couple of queens, mistress and a Nietra took

(05:53):
things from the set. So now it's our time to
reveal our favorite things we ever taken from us set. Ala.
Oh we've been on mini sets, dear, so you have
fifteen seconds to tell me what you have taken from
a set. Ready, set, set. I've always wanted to seal stuff,
but I can't because a costume a costume designer actually

(06:13):
told me we have to inventory things. So if I
like a piece, I'll ask for it and nine times
out of ten they give it to me. So, um, yeah,
so I got an ugly Betty, I'll take what did
you say? I got clothes from Ugly Betty? But I
asked because also, you worked with the same people again,
so when it circles around, it's like you're the bitch.

(06:33):
You took all your clothes and we had to account
for it. Okay, okay, so fifteen seconds ready set, say
m I worked on a show for nine season which
was called The Real And so the thing that I
wanted was the thing something I can remember. So I
took my couch that came out of my dressing room.
It is a pretty blue couch and I loved it.

(06:55):
And I said, okay, you took a couch I was
talking about like a turtleleg. Because here's the other thing. Like,
I'm short. So when I on the show, they have
to cut things to fit me. So if I find
like a suit or something that is amazing, oh yeah,
Well I take clothes all the time. I mean, I

(07:16):
have like all these amazing shoes and clothes and stuff.
Don't because no, they allowed me to take it. But
as far as if I had to actually take something,
you know, I'm always I'm leary about that because I
don't want people to think that I steal. I know,
I know. And then and the thing is like always
a golden rule in this business. If you think you're
never gonna see anybody again, that's the person you're gonna

(07:39):
see on the next job exactly. Maybe like you took this,
and it might be a costume designer or a producer
who's like, oh, here she comes best make sure you
give her a note to not take her couch. Squirrel friends,
if you want us to say something about anything for
fifteen seconds DM or messenge us your ideas at Alec

(07:59):
Mappo on Instagram or at comic Linie Love on Instagram
and at Lonnie Love on Twitter. Let's get into this episode, Alec,
because this was a long, good juicy It was a
long episode. And these reunion episodes are really a chance
of the Queen's filmless show. All the episodes that you've
seen are filmed a year ago, they were filmed last year,

(08:22):
and the reunion and the finale are the only episodes
that are kind of filmed close to what's happening now, right, Yeah,
And they're filmed after people see the edit for the
first time. They're filmed after the queens have already kind
of like gone on. So when we're seeing it for
the first time, they're also seeing it for the first time,

(08:42):
and so this is their chance to talk about that
experience of like, oh, I didn't know how I came across.
I didn't know you said that. So it's really their
chance to unpack. And this is why this one is
very very important. The reunion and the finale both take
place at the theater at the Ace Hotel in dt
LA that stands for Downtown Los Angeles for folks who

(09:05):
aren't in the know. Let's talk about RuPaul's outfit. He's
sitting down. RuPaul was in a very conservative black pinstripe
suit with a black shirt. He is back to the
suit era, which I appreciate. I think that I just
get used to him being in a suit or being
the beautiful of drag queen RuPaul. I didn't really care

(09:27):
for the mister Rogers cardigame srings. We've covered that, We've
covered that. I loved it. Now RuPaul, you know, he's
sitting with all these fabulous queens in this beautiful theater.
It's beautiful. It's a beautiful theater. But the thing that
I was hoping is that we would get some answers
to some drama that happened this season. So that's what

(09:51):
I am really looking forward to and during this reunion.
So while we get to that, let's get to these
run way looks. These are the last looks, last looks
before the finale. There was this one look Princess Poppy
that we got to talk about because I think you
have to be an og drag Race fan to know

(10:12):
this reference. Now, it looked like she's just coming back
from the mall, like she went shopping at Forever twenty one.
But this is actually a callback look to season one.
There was a queen I don't even know if she
does drag anymore. I don't think she does. Her name
was Rebecca Glasscock and she was one of the finalists,
and she was a realness queen. I mean this was

(10:32):
season one, okay, so it's not the drag Race. It
is now right, people are snatching stuff off of the runways,
people are asking designers. I mean, the bar is so high.
Rebecca would just come in looking like a real woman
a lot of the time, and this was one of
her looks during one of the episodes. For me, because

(10:53):
I don't know bad history, and that's why I say,
let me ask you. Yeah, I was like, way, what
is everybody else has on down? Everybody else's like, I
mean you come in jeans and a yellow top. I mean,
there's me. It's and it's also a nod to like
what the show was like in season one. It's like
you could never get away with this now, I mean
even Rue Paul's look has elevated. Yeah, a lot, a lot,

(11:17):
a lot, I mean all of them, all of them.
But this was like a nod to Rebecca Glasscock. What
was your favorite? You know? There were some standouts to me.
Malaysia baby Doll Fox, Yes, unbelievable. She had this pink
show girl gown and she had a boa made of
like what looked like foxtails, but they were dyed pink.

(11:38):
She had a pink maraboo around her shoulders and kind
of this Tina Louise gown with like a nude decoltage,
and she had a pink sculpted wig that was that
was a sculpted hair do in front but went up
into fox ears. Oh yeah, I loved Aura too, didn't you. Yeah?
I loved Aura's look. Or a myri Our Filipino sister

(12:00):
from Nashville, Tennessee. She was wearing a beautiful white, kind
of sculptured look, all white and shoulderless, but it looked
like a giant white shirt with cups and she had
kind of a platinum blonde wig and a white collar
that attached to this kind of like the hem of
the top almost looked like pants. I can say that

(12:23):
like white jeans or something like that, but it was
sculpted really, really beautifully. Mistress Isabel Brooks knocked me out.
She's always talking about she's trying to bring back old
fashioned drag, and she did. She had a big, like
almost like the blue fairy blue from Pinocchio, big gown
with this belt. In the middle of this, says m IB.

(12:45):
Just Isabel Brooks, but she says that. Sasha says the
m IB stands for major intestinal blockage. Who had the
bad outfit? Unless I got the joke, I would have
thought it was Poppy. But I got the joke. I
thought that Jack's and it disappeared, And I thought that
Amethyst kind of disappeared. I thought, Robin Fierce, you didn't

(13:06):
like it? What did you not like? She had like
a multicolored wig. It was kind of like a straight
wig that was in the striped yellow and black. I
thought she could have elevated a little bit elevated. I
thought her and Princess Poppy both could have elevated. Selena
as Titties copied John Leguizamo from Yeah, Too Wang Foo

(13:26):
at the very very end where of Too Wang Food,
Thanks for everything, Julie Numar. When Julie Numar crowns John Leguizamo,
he was wearing a version of this dress. And Selena
as Titties did a version as a big girl and
oh wow, oh wow. You know what, the best line
for me, because they all came in, they all had
a line was Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. She says, if you

(13:48):
come for me, I will apologize immediately. Yeah, Sugar and
Spice seemed less talkative, do you think so? Yeah? I
felt like during the show they were like NonStop chitter chatter.
They seem kind of held back that me and yeah

(14:11):
that was just you. They were like there were a
couple of times when Spice was talking and Ru was
like are you speaking English? Oh that yeah, But it
wasn't like on the show where Jack's literally said, I
for my unsanity, I'm gonna put you over here, and
just like push Spice aside to have a conversation that

(14:32):
didn't include oh my goodness. You know what. I just
think that this season the Twins just brought that energy,
is that young you know, energy that was needed and
so it gave me something different, you know, right, And
I think when people look back on this season, they're
going to say that this was a season that it
did bring in a whole new generation of queens. It

(14:55):
was like old school meets new school. And what one
of them said was, what I learned from the twins
was you could be a drag queen anywhere. Yeah. I
forgot who said it. It may have been Mistress. If
I'm getting that wrong, I apologize. But they kind of
all said they felt like, don't play in my gig.
I take this art form very seriously. It was the destress. Yeah,

(15:18):
so don't play around with my livelihood. You know, we've
been doing this for a living. And what they said
was that they learned from the girls, and it was
almost humbling that you can actually be a drag queen
or a performer in any medium, and just because they
were in TikTok, it didn't make them any less. And
I think that was the perception of both of them
coming into this competition. I mean, certainly mine, you know,

(15:40):
I own that response. That was my feeling. But after
I talked to Sugar again face to face, I was like, oh, no,
I like her. Yeah, I mean she's smart and lovely. Yeah,
I mean, this is this is the thing. But you
also remember what you said. Everybody has seen the episodes
up until now, so there's a whole different feel that.

(16:04):
And you know what I said, we gotta take this
break because I'm gonna get into this tea when we
get right back to t if you if all this break,
you call Trixie Mattel and have a kiki. I'm leaving
and we're back. One more look that I really really liked.

(16:26):
I did love Luck's new or London's Fusha dress. She
had a Fusha mini dress on that was almost kind
of eighties in its construction. And she had a black
big black blow buck, big black, big big blow That's
what I had in college, big black blow here though,
a big black bow on her hair sculpted out of

(16:48):
black hair, A low much. I love black hair. I
love it. They all looked great though. In the end,
they all were together. They it was nice to see
them all together. And we get into this they're talking
about everyone fighting for being number two. There was this
big come on, come on, first of all, it's called

(17:10):
number two. Where to me, all I hear is pooh,
you know it's like you want to be number two,
you know, Mistress was talking. Can I just say, okay,
so Mistress carried this season as far as when it
came to entertainment to me, Okay, all right. She gave
you real shade when she needed to, she gave you

(17:32):
comedy when she needed to. She gave you the drama.
I'm just saying. And the reason why I said that,
I felt as if Rue kept going to Mistress like
you're going to get the unvarnessed truth. And it's kind
of like the thing that made Mistress so entertaining as
a performer and as a person is there's no filter, definitely,

(17:53):
So there's no filter and right or wrong, she's gonna
say what's It's like Carrie Fisher used to say, my
heart in my mouth, so I can't lie. And I
feel like that's who Mistress is. So the reason Rue
kept on going to Mistress isn't going to give you
a pageant answer, which is the politically correct answer, which
is the answer that's going to make everybody like you.

(18:16):
And the thing is like when somebody is going to
risk being liked, I was like, I want to talk
to that bitch, do you know what I mean. It's
like when somebody kind of owns their whole story, and
there's very few people I've met that are like that. T. S.
Madison's one of those people. Jackie Beats one of those people.
You're one of those people that I feel like, at

(18:37):
the end of the day, your opinion about yourself matters
the most. Well. I mean, this is the thing Mistress
was saying that, you know, she was patient zero for
drag delusion, and there was this big thing where she says,
all the girls at some point in the episode, we're
having drag delusion. Oh okay, we were kind of putting
it on Lucy, we were putting it on looks. At times.

(19:00):
People were just having this delusion of I'm the best
I should win. Now. Have you ever suffered from delusion
when acting or performing? Okay, here's the thing. We're talking
about media and stuff and being famous for the first time,
and I remember watching one of the first on camera
television interviews I gave for a media thing when I
was doing a Broadway show when I was in my

(19:20):
early twenties, and I'm so cringey, I'm so not relaxed.
I'm trying so hard to be cute and funny instead
of being myself. And that's a very young thing to do.
But I remember, like I watched it years after the
fact and I just wanted to hit myself on the

(19:41):
head with a rock, like And that was my equivalent
of drag delusion, which I was completely cut off from
any kind of self awareness, do you know what I mean?
I was just like and I guess if anybody could
else would watch it now, they wouldn't think it was
bad as I thought it was. But me watching myself
at that age thinking I was cute and think, well,

(20:03):
I'm thinking that I was cute, but thinking that I
was all that. Yeah, there was an element of that
that was really confident. I got confidence. I think when
you're in a competition, it's a little bit it's it's
a little bit different where you I always try not
to get delusion if I'm in a competition because I
don't want to get hurt. But you know what, I

(20:24):
usually have delusion when I first started doing stand up
and you know how you have to do two or
three shows at night, yes, and say of the first
show you like kill like, oh, You're like, oh, you
got standard ovation stuff. And so then when that second
show comes, I'm like, oh, I'm about to kill it
and it's like, oh no, yeah, all new audience, all

(20:46):
new animal. Oh I hate that. I hate that. And
it's like I'm telling the same jokes. Yeah, they're like
because it's a whole different vibe, it's a whole different audience. Yeah,
these are the things that you learn. So you learn
get lusional about it. You don't really get delusion. Now.
Sasha was she was like, y'all fighting for number two,

(21:07):
but I was number one in both of the fifty
fifty in the interview and it was like, I just
love Sasha. She just stayed back to let people just
talk and then she'll come in with a kicker and
it was like boom. You know. Yeah, it's like, you're
all fighting for number two. Meanwhile, hello, I won both
of those things. Yeah, so I have nothing to contribute
to this conversation, like it was a conversation at it.

(21:29):
But they were getting on Lucy about being delusional, and
I was glad that RuPaul brought up the fact that
in the Rusico Kevin Bacon gave her a shout out
and then a little cameo on this reunion show with
Kevin congratulating Lucy and stuff, and I think That's what
she kind of needed at that point. Uh huh, Because,

(21:53):
like I said, everybody's in their feelings right now. You
can look at their faces until you can tell. Selena
was in her feelings, Lucy was really in her feelings.
Like my heart went out to Lucy on the show.
I mean seriously, because when you're on a reality program,
no matter what you do, you're not in control at
the end of the day. I mean, they could, you know.

(22:14):
I mean, the song is blame it on the edit.
You're the one who said it, you know, and I
believe all of that is true. And you also as
the performer who was on that, who gave your likeness
to that, who spoke through all those episodes, you don't
have any control over what comes out. I was talking
to a Kylie Sonik Love who is a friend of
mine who won All Stars one year, and she was like,

(22:36):
there was all this stuff that I did that never
made the show that I felt was important to me.
And I said, all right, as somebody who watched it
and watch you win, you didn't need that. But to her,
she felt like there was a lot of stuff missing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
definitely definitely. Well and you know, also during this time,
we had some legendary lip syncs that they brought out

(22:58):
Sasha verse Anetra Lala Perusa. Which one was your favorite
out of all the live things from this season? Okay,
my favorite this season that I've rewatched the most is
Antra versus Marsha doing dojakat Boss Pitch. But the other
one that I've watched that I watched over and over
again that is a close second is Sasha and Anitra

(23:19):
doing I'm in Love with a Monster. What I liked
about that was because it was like, Okay, the question
was asked of Anitra and Marsha because that was the
one where Marsha got eliminated, and this is what I'm
talking about. The reason why you have the reunion is
to talk about after So they were wondering because a
lot of people online were saying, oh, it should have
been a double saved because both of Nata and Marsha

(23:41):
Marsha Marsha were great. But even Marsha admitted she said,
you know, I'm still green and drag. That made me
like you're a lot it really because you know that's
the growth and understanding and also you can come back
on all stars, you know that. But to be able
to answer like that and to say, you know that
she's not bitter about it, that she has grown, she

(24:03):
has a makeup mind, she's doing all kinds of stuff.
It was, it was really, it was really really good
that Jack's verse Mistress. That was the one where you
had the queens in the back, and I wanted to
hear how Mistress really felt, because when Mistress came back,
the other queens were like shocked that Mistress won and
Jack's had one. And so during the reunion they were asking,

(24:27):
you know, Lucy and Selena both said Jack still won, yeah,
and Mistress was still like, you guys got results. I
went forward, can't argue with the hot kind of thists.
Was one of the only people who could just kind
of burn down the entire house with just facts. She's

(24:48):
just like, I got both of y'all are not in
the final. Who was in the final? You know? But
when they asked Jack's about it, she said, I thought
it was balanced. She said, I don't think that I
won or that I lost. She said, I think that
it was balanced, so, you know, and then Mistress had
the classic line, we see who's at the end and
who's not. I was like, oh, it's I think that's

(25:10):
their way of shutting it down. It's kind of like,
you know, when when you hear Mistress's story that she's
been on her own. She was she was a teenager,
and when you grow up in an environment, it's almost
like you being like a stand up comic for so long.
It's like if you ran away from home and your
entire family was comics who looked out for you, like

(25:32):
that was your drag troupe, and those are the people
that's took up for you. You know, this is a
very particular world. And in a drag queen world, which
is at night and you're with other queens, you gotta
be quick and you gotta be fast, and Mistress always
seems to be ready to kind of like shut things down. Yeah,
well she could have easily just been nice, you know.

(25:55):
I mean it was it was a nice combat, but
it's like in that moment when you have two people saying, well,
she still want it's like you gotta go, so yeah,
but I'm not born, and then that just shuts everybody down,
so you know what I mean. There are also some
behind the scenes romance. We had some Scissor Sisters, as
they called it, Robin and Amethyst. I feel like this

(26:21):
is a bigger story to the fandom than it is
to them. Like the kind of both seemed like we've
moved on to ancient history, but people want to poke
that bear. Oh yeah, yeah. But I loved all the
queens calling in with the questions of their own. They
had several cameos. They had Asia O'Hara asking whose Sasha's
favorite drag queen, and Sasha got to say Monica Monroe,

(26:43):
who inspired her career For the past twenty years. Monica
Monroe and both Sasha Kolbe were in this thing called
the Miscontinental pageant, which is the way it was explained
to me by past contestants is that before RuPaul's Drag Race,
Miscontinental was the highest you could go as drag queen. Wow,
it was like that's was like the Oscar for drag

(27:05):
queens before the advent of RuPaul's Drag Race. For so
now Sasha is in now the top of RuPaul's drag
Race and one Miscontinental, so that cements her legendary status.
Aquaria asked Irene. Because of all the trolling is any
troller goal. You know, she had to be honest. She said, Look,

(27:25):
I wasn't on the show, so this was all I had.
So I had to, you know, stir up some trouble
online just to keep some attention. So you know that
was understandable. I mean I got that part, you know
what I mean. RuPaul asked, how did you guys handle
Irene's trolling mistress? She says she was joking. She says,
she blocked her. I don't think I need to go.

(27:47):
I need to go. Look, I know, I know. And
then and then I think you're like he said, you know,
there was a lot of stuff aimed at mistress, even
Robin Fierce's mother. Why are you coming at my child
for her? And this just owned it. She goes, I
was in my chaotic era, now I did in my
angelic era. If she was saying I was trying to

(28:10):
give her help, you know you could actually see her
scout under the lace front and you should wear different color,
wig cat, So she was you know what I mean,
that was just a fat like and you know, and
then she got she was the only one she came for.
I mean, she came for a spice, She said, wigglue, honey,
your words coming off. So URA's mom had a question

(28:32):
for Spice. She said, why did you say or should
have been in the bottom of the snatch game? Oh
my god? And then okay, see this is what the
younger queens came back with. If somebody claps back with
the answer with a lot of humility, there's no fight.
What Spice did? She goes she has She has admitted
Aura would have sent her home. Yeah, the lip sync

(28:54):
based on their experiences, and I love that. I love
that truth. I love that it made two girls really
turned things around for me in the way that they
handled themselves. You know what, can I just say the
moms were spicy in their questions. They was like direct,
like why don't you come from my baby? My baby,
that's my baby. But I also love seeing moms supporting
their drag queen kids on television. That's there's nothing better

(29:16):
than that. Listen, we'll get into the unaired reads because
they said good right after this and we're back. See.
I knew you'd appreciate this, Lonnie, because the reads, I
think we're in the episodes that were only sixty minutes. Yes,

(29:38):
so we got to see a lot of unseen footage
in this episode, yes, thank goodness, Yeah, because it would
have had to scadaddle through this one if we didn't
have it right build the extra ten minutes, so they
gave a lot of unseen footage. Yeah. And they also
read each other in person, which was which I thought
was hilarious. Oh, the funniest one for me was difference

(30:00):
between a mistress and a brick a brick gets laid.
And then someone said about Spice said, Spice, you need
some ha ha haha, Spice, you need something. And then
Spice said to Sugar, you and Michelle Dissage have a

(30:21):
lot in common living in someone else's shadow. I was like, oh, okay,
So what Sugar's reed was? It was too Irene duboah.
She said, Irene lux coins you as a swap witch
of the season. And she's right, because what curse did
you pull to be on one episode and get more

(30:43):
screen time than Robin. That was what we missed. All
this good stuff, I know. And Lucy's also said about mistress,
the only thing shorter than those heels is your life expectancy.
I mean, you have to laugh, you have to laugh,

(31:05):
Poppy said Aura. All those muscles and only your ass
is ripped. She also said the rumors are true. I
gave someone COVID. That's why all season Lucy had no taste.
I'm like, oh, all those muscles and only your asses ripped.

(31:29):
I mean, okay, I'm done. It took me a minute,
and I was like, oh, oh my god, shut it down. Okay,
since reading is fundamental, ru announced and don't fuck it up.
An oral history of RuPaul's Drag Race comes out in June. Yes,
so for those of you that enjoy books, it's an

(31:51):
actual book. And Mistress was supposed to hold it up.
She held it up late, but she held it up,
so that was really really exciting, you know. And and
they talked about all the gate controversies, which we've already
talked about through our past episodes, but basically it was
all mistress faults. The answer I was gonna come up with,

(32:13):
I was gonna say they mentioned four gates, and three
out of four of them involved blocks. But Mistress is
always instigated. Yeah, yeah, she's a turd stir. She always
has a stir. The turn Oh my godness. Okay, So
then we also go into this. I really liked this

(32:33):
portion of the reunion, it was the unseen looks. Oh yeah,
this is really interesting because what they do with social
media now is if you leave the show, you still
have all your looks that people haven't seen. Right. So
I think April carry On, who was in a season
I forget which season she was in, but each week
that they had a thing, she would post on her
Instagram what she would have worn in that challenge, and

(32:56):
I thought was absolutely brilliant. So Amethyst show her Ripper
to Shreds look, remember the Ripper to Shreds challenge, And
she did a look that she posted online that she
was working in an office and she was like a
girl who worked in her office and the office look
was ripped to shreds. It was so cute. Yeah, it
was a yellow wig and then she had all this

(33:17):
ripped paper all over it. It was really really cool.
And then we had Aura Marari a Night of a
Thousand Beyonces, but she wasn't pregnant in this one. But
Beyonce was pregnant in this look. But she killed this book.
This is beautiful. If you've seen Beyonce's Netflix special boom
coming at the very very top of it, Beyonce's playing

(33:39):
like an Egyptian queen Nefertiti inspired like Egyptian robe that's regal.
With the headdress. Aura copied it completely. It was just beautiful.
Next it was a Malaysia baby doll, Fox and the
herds that everybody says glove and she says she wears
her heart in her sleeve. So what she did. She

(34:00):
wore a red sequined gown hit hugging with gloves and
a heart like a gigantic heart on the red sequined
glove as the heart on her sleeve. And she said
this was sort of like a dedication to RuPaul. It
was a beautiful look that red with that white platinum
week it was beautiful. Oh yeah, RuPaul had a look

(34:23):
like this that she wore in one of the very
first There used to be a Glam Cosmetics lipstick called
Viva Glam because of you are old enough for the
nineties and part of the proceeds of Viva Glam went
to AIDS charities, AIDS organizations to raise money for AIDS
awareness and HIV awareness, and Rue had a look very

(34:43):
similar to this as the Viva Glam spokesmodel in the nineties.
Next step we had Irene in her puff of Please,
and she did a very kind of nineteen twenties inspired look,
kind of like but she looked like the earth a
Kit character Asma and the Emperor's New Groove. I don't
know if you remember that movie. Irene Eartha Kid played

(35:04):
the schedule game and she looked just like Irene. She
looks beautiful. I love this outfit. And Sho you said
that she looks forward to Irene's look on social media
every week. So that's the way. I mean, that's the
thing too, even if you're eliminated early, you can still
show off your looks and you have a fan base,

(35:24):
it's like, So that's the beautiful thing about it. So
the next was our Tooting boot section Titton boot you know,
and this was popularized by Raven and Raja. They have
there they break down the looks every week of the
runway on RuPaul's Drag Race, and if they like something,
they give it a toot, if they don't like something,
they give it a boot, and also if they are

(35:46):
amazed by something, they give it a shoot. All kinds like, oh,
that's just the most amazing. So the first look they
bring up for the Tooting Boot looks is Sasha and
the puffa please. She had on that yellow and black
pump her jackets with her hair going out in the spikes,
so she looked like a bee or a glamorous insect. Beautiful.

(36:06):
They gave it a two to Malaysia's entrance look, which
was similar to this reunion look. She was like a fox. Yeah,
like an orange and white box. And I love that
look for her entrance look. It definitely a toot. Yeah.
I wanted to get to the boots. Yeah, Marcia beautiful

(36:27):
Nightmare where she came out as a dental assistant and
pig platform boots. They said that was a boot that
was a big boot because there wasn't a whole lot
to it. It was like your boot Mistress Night of
a thousand Beyonces. Remember when she had the Michelle and
Kelly heads and the green dress and it was a boot.

(36:48):
I liked it. I liked it, and I liked the
joke that spice it. She said, Hey, she came out
with both of us on her shoulders, so like the twins.
You know. Another boot was the bag ball Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
The lizzen Duka came out with kind of like the
crumpled up balls on a white skirt and they went
around her shoulder and around her. But it was like

(37:09):
a really plain look that looked it like it had
crumpled up plastic on it. They were like doggy bags,
and they gave it a boot and then Rtunately, I
kind of agree. I thought it was interesting that Aara
got a toot for her dress, which was the beautiful
nightmare dress, but she got a boot for her acting
in it too much. She came out that's beautiful black

(37:35):
glitter gown, hip hugging, and then when she turned around
her like there was like a drag spine exposed in
the back with all of her guts and everything like
she'd been skinned. So it was very dramatic, but he
gave her boot and acting and Anietzsche everybody was unanimous
in a two for her crystallized look with that crystallized
dinosaur spine that went down the middle. Not only was

(37:57):
it an incredible dress, but she made it. She made that.
Anitra made some beautiful outfits this season, and it was beautiful.
He came to the segment called the Golden Boot Award,
which is given away by the previous contestant who won
the Golden Boot Award. The Golden Boot Award is for
the worst look of the season. Last year it was
Maddie Morphosis for her look with that homemade dress and

(38:18):
the blow up doll that was just book terrific. And
the year before that it was La La Ree who
had taped or hot glued shopping bags to her those
those peace so those gift bags. This year there were
three finalists. They were Marsha Marsha, Marsha the tide to

(38:41):
look where it looked like she'd been hit by a
football and she gave herself a bloody nose. Yeah, and
she said she hadn't finished. No was Jack's had the
tie and eye look too. She was a contest and
she that was the one. Jack said that she hadn't
finished the look and that I mean, do they get
like that atle where they can't finish so they just

(39:01):
I think whatever they can put. The looks evolved once
you get there. I mean it's that thing if like
you show up with all your best drag and all
of a sudden, the first runway goes out and you
look at everybody else's stuff and you're like, oh my god,
I have to step this up. I gotta add something.
I gotta take away something. I mean, think about it.
I mean it's like it's like that happened this season
where Marcia came out as the beauty contestant who lost

(39:24):
and she was crying and they said this was fine,
but Lucy did that before you. So if somebody's already
did something and you're bringing something to the runway, you
have to like go, oh, how can I make this
different than Lucy's definitely okay? You know, how can I
make it seem like I'm not repeating a look on
the runway. So the final contestant was Selena s Tittis
for the Metallica a look where she came out in

(39:47):
kind of like a metal dress that had all the
Las Street side. That was your favorite, good thought, it
was clever just because I live in La So Lonnie
who won the Golden Buda War this year, Oh, Lena
s Titti's one, and she was happy because she said,
I finally wanted something. I won worst look of the season.

(40:09):
I love it. I love it. We're gonna take a
break and when we come back, we've got the more drama,
more unseen footage that we're gonna talk about, right after
this and we're back. On every single reunion show, they
always talk about who should go home and why, and

(40:31):
we've covered that. Yeah, we haven't had plenty. We also
had a cute little segment called celebrities Are Just Like Us.
There was an unseen footage, so you guys watch it
because we need to really get to what they really
talked about. That is about making a difference. Yeah, and
general discussion about the drag climate around the country now.

(40:51):
As a queer person walking through the world, I got
triggered in Key West just by seeing a bunch of
Trump stuff in a store window. It really kind of
violent rhetoric. You know. I don't know where our listeners
listen lean politically, but if you like drag race and
you love trans women and drag queens, chances are you
don't like the rhetoric that's happening right now. So this

(41:13):
is a really kind of almost dangerous time to be
in drag or to be a trans woman because all
the conservatives are saying you're basically a child molester. You know,
they're accusing performers. They're kind of like the way I
heard it about discussed online is you are taking away
my livelihood. This is how I make a living, you know,

(41:36):
And when you start making laws that are banning this
type of performance, and also the reasons behind this aren't
based on truth. If you look at statistically the crimes
committed against children, the crimes committed against youth, they're happening
in churches in Tennessee alone. The week that they were
proposing and passing this anti drag bill, there were all

(41:58):
these youth pastors that were accused of abusing kids. Yeah,
and it's misplaced suspicion, it's misplaced fear, and it's all
a big diversion to keep you not focused on really
keeping children safe by keeping guns out of school. Because
if you're talking about keeping children safe and protecting children
and keeping guns out of school, isn't the first thing

(42:21):
out of your mouth. And you're saying that the most
harmful thing, the biggest threat to kids right now is
drag queens and trans women and trans people. It's hard
for me to listen to that. It is so hard.
And we were having the reunion, had this discussion where
they were talking about the different things that the queens
are doing in Dragon. Every time, this is what RuPaul said.

(42:44):
He said, every time they bat their false eyelashes, they
make a political statement. So Aura performed with Marion Morris
at the Love Rising in Nashville, and Laura says it
feels unsafe in Nashville. Baby Doll. Fox also said that
as I Robin was the first drag queen to speak
at Yale Law, she did a drag Queen Story Hour

(43:07):
to raise awareness for the proposed beals around the country. Right,
here's what it does. The way the caste system for
society works. And I'm gonna say this, and I'm gonna
get in trouble. Well, straight white men are at the top,
are supposed to be a top of the social order.
And what drag does is it turns all of that

(43:29):
upside down. RuPaul, who is black, who is queer and
is a black man in drag is exalted and a
celebrity and at the top. And all of these queens
who come forward, I'm a man in a dress and
I'm celebrated and I'm having a great time, and I'm
an entertainer and I'm becoming a famous turns all of

(43:51):
that social order upside down. So if you're a straight conservative,
you're looking at all of that going wait, that's my spot,
that's my privilege in society. I'm supposed to be the
most powerful, I'm supposed to be the most celebrated. And
when that doesn't happen for them, when they're not at

(44:11):
the center of the narrative, they go nuts. Yeah. I
mean you can see at the CMT Awards, Kelsey Ballerini
performed with four of our drag queens, and this is
what it's about. Like, this was unheard of at the
CMT Awards, and it's up to artists that are true

(44:32):
allies to perform and to speak out and make this
part of the norm. And so this when we say
being a good ally, that's what being a good ally
is is being able to take care of our form
and seeing we're gonna include everyone. We're gonna be inclusive
of everyone. We're gonna be inclusive of LGBT, We're going

(44:52):
to be inclusive of all races, of all nationalities, because
this is the way the country is made. That's the
way the country is made, and that's the reality of it.
And when you're in a diverse environment, it's harder to
be a misogynist, it's harder to be a racist, it's
harder to be homophobic when all of a sudden there's
diversity and it's about treating everybody with respect and looking

(45:15):
at everybody as a human being. And these anti drag
bills and the anti trans it's the same game book.
When I was growing up in the seventies, they didn't
want in Broward County in Florida, Anita Brian didn't want
gay people teaching in schools because they're going to corrupt
your children. And then when it became gays in the military,
they're going to go after you in the shower. You know,

(45:35):
they're gonna go after you in the locker room. None
of that was happening, none of it, do you know
what I mean? And it's the same thing over and
over again, marriage equality. You're corrupting marriage. My relationship has
nothing to do with you. So it's all this drumming
up of fear. And here's what's hopeful to me is
that the pastest prelude. I feel like the truth will
always win out. But there's always going to be racists, racism,

(45:58):
and prejudice and transport until it doesn't work anymore. Well,
Like Robin Fear says, it's important for all of us
to speak up, and ru Paul said it best. Nothing
is more powerful than a registered vote. Now, because this
season had four Connecticut queens, there was a lovely surprise
the state Lieutenant governor of Connecticut and the LGBTQ plus

(46:21):
Caucus had a message for the four queens, and it
was just a wonderful. This is what we're talking about
when we're talking about allies, when we're talking about stand up,
when you have people in public office that are willing
to stand and say we stand with you, We're proud
of how you are presenting Connecticut, and you know, and

(46:42):
they ended it with love wins. Lucy became very emotional
and that was a great moment. It was a great moment,
and that made me tear up, you know, because Lucy said,
I didn't grow up giving anybody was sticking up for me.
I didn't. I grew up. And she even talked on that,
you know, she's talked about like how in my hometown

(47:04):
I still get harassed. I still feel like, you know,
the town weirdo. And she said, to hear people in
government and my own state stick up for me in
this way, it was very important and very moving and
I love she got her flowers from Connecticut. Lonnie. Wow.
I mean that's what's that's what's really really, really important.
So I should think that these bills target people like her.

(47:26):
She says she feels nervous traveling will some will recognize
her in the airport bathroom when they're not a fan.
You know, if you are just a normal person, okay,
you get it. But when we talk about empathy, you know,
people don't go through this because they want to go
through these troubles, right. They're trying to be happy, and

(47:49):
they're trying to live their life, and they're trying to
be their authentic selves. And it's kind of like to
reduce somebody's journey of identity with something as big as gender.
I'm going to be the gender that I feel that
I really am to reduce you. That journey to your
predator in the bathroom is so insulting and so ghumanizing,

(48:09):
and I hope, I'm pray that the people of this
country are smart enough to see through it. You know
what what I'm proud about, Alec, people like you and
I that this show, and that's why I always back
this show is because this show, as many years as
I've been on it It has always been about progression

(48:31):
and always been about having people to understand that people
should be able to live their lives. People have to
understand there are people's children that are going through loneliness,
that are confused. They get a piece of sunshine by
watching drag Race, you know, they get a piece of

(48:52):
sunshine by maybe going to a Pride event. Yeah yeah,
How mean do you have to be to take that away? Right?
There are kids that they said, there's young people out there,
are teenagers who are going through the same things that
these queens went through, feeling like my family doesn't understand me,
or I'm bullied at school or for being this way.
I'm bullied because I'm different. I'm bullied because I'm mothered.

(49:13):
And then you go and watch a television show where
all those same people who are just like you, who
have been bullied, who have been targeted, are being celebrated
as entertainers and artists, and it's an Emmy winning show.
It's like Amy winning critically, It's I'm getting chills just
thinking about it. And I shout out to Rue, Paul
and Michelle for their recent nominations for the MTV Movie

(49:36):
and TV Awards. Also the show was nominated and Untuck
was nominated, So we're gonna switch it up to something
like he had some say I was feeling some kind
of way. That's right, you say, don't you feel like
you've been dealing with us your whole life? But you
know what, if it was meant for us to be

(49:56):
the fighters in this, we owe it to the next generation.
You know. It's funny because a lot of times these
gen zers, you know, there was something going around about
there's a saying that some of them say that, you know,
I'm not my ancestors, and I'm like, no, you're not.
And it's because of your ancestors that you were able

(50:17):
to be where you are now. Never forget about the
people who came before you. Yeah, yeah, we're standing on
the shoulders of giants. I mean, I'm a kid of
the seventies. I was bust and I remember, even as
a little kid, seeing on the news people protesting, buzzing
because they were trying to integrate the school system. Right,
it's always a fight. What is it that you're going

(50:38):
to fight about? And I remember as a kid going
they're really foaming at the mouth, they're getting crazy because
I'm taking a bus to Snake. I just I didn't
understand it anyway. But that's why we keep fighting. And
we're gonna keep fighting, keep fighting, and we're gonna keep
it light. So with that said, we're changing gears. This
is the last chance for the queens to get things

(51:00):
off of their chest. They say, gather huh gotta. I
love that expression, like gathera huh, like like pull it together.
I love. Oh, she's a gas ga. Okay, so Irene
says to Mistress. The first thing that you did after
you got off the phone when I got home was
tell me that after I left, Lucy made a comment

(51:22):
about me. You know, Irene doesn't even look like she's
had filler. It looks like her face is sagged. And
Lucy said she didn't say it, and Mistress she don't
remember saying it as life's a mess. And you know
that's what Mistress said. If you've only been on one episode,

(51:44):
I guess you remember that one episode. You remember your experience. Now,
Mistress said that the white Twinks had gained up on
her white twins. I never heard of white twins. What's
that twink is like a young gay person in their twenties,
like it's just like a young guy and why you
go to the clubs. You got your cocktail and everything.
You're a twink. So Mistress was basically saying the white

(52:07):
twinks ganged up on her after her in Marsha's Untucked
conversation because Marcia out of drag is kind of the
equivalent of a white twink. So I guess all the
white twinks out there felt some kind of way. And
when after Mistress on Instagram and she said that her
her account was shut down three times. Wow. And Mistress

(52:28):
also said they also care. A lot of racist depth
was aimed at Lucks for being who she was, and Rue,
you know, in Rue's Infinite Wisdom, says, I've been doing
this forever and you can't. You can't let any of
that mean anything to you. But again, if you're in
the media spotlight for the very first time, and you're

(52:49):
experiencing the social media pylon for the first time, it's
gonna make you feel some kind of way. Yeah, And
Mistress also said that it felt like well, I guess
maybe because it's fat phobia. She got a lot of
asks this season, the skinny white gaze. We're ganging up
on her as a bigger person of color, and we
talk about that on this show. It's like we want

(53:10):
to change the culture of the drag race fandom. It's
like you're titled your opinion. Absolutely if you don't like something,
you don't like something, but to kind of actively kind
of like take to the internet to say something that
you would never say to somebody's face. Yeah, My parenting
rule to my kid was, if you can't say that
to somebody's face in person, don't put it online. Don't

(53:31):
That's a good parenting point. Alec, you're a pretty good parent.
All well, thank you. He's still alive, so I've done
my job. He's still braiding. I check. I check, like
I hold a mirror up to his mouth and if
it flogs up, you know she's accomplished. We're gonna wrap
things up and talk about the best moments from the
season right after this break and we're back. I want

(54:03):
to listen. I'm not gonna apologize for getting emotional, but
I did get emotional. I got very heated during this
podcast because this is like, this is our lives. You know,
this isn't some article I'm reading in a paper. It's like,
you know, it's lies being told about us. I am
not really good without let me tell you something as
a person who I've dealt with controversies because I've been

(54:26):
on television and it does not feel good when you
know that you're not what's being portrayed, and so you
know it's different. But that's why I can empathize with
what's happening with the lgbt Q plus community. They're good
people that are just trying to do the best that
they can. And I think one of the best moments

(54:47):
for me this season was that we were able to
bring It's funny how this was taped a year ago. Yeah,
and you're seeing policies that are affecting people and they're
able to talk about it and educate people. That's called
the perfect timing. So that was one of the perfect
test moment. Yeah, beautiful, beautiful. So they were talking about

(55:10):
the best moments on the show, and at the very
very top of that list was Anittra's performance in the
talent show Uh Walk that Fucking Ducks. RuPaul said, you
have kicked the zeitgeist and the pussies. Aneta said it
was the very first time she mixed martial arts and

(55:31):
voguing and RuPaul said in the unaired footage, you're gonna
make a million dollars and I hope your knees are
okay because your fans are gonna want that jeal year
old lady. Yeah, yeah, they're gonna They're always gonna want
to see it, you know, Luck's House of Massage. That outfit, Yeah,
was just that was one of my favorite moments. Yeah,

(55:51):
the purple with the zebra, with the zebra pants and
astonishing that like again, she made that, she designed it,
and she made it and she presented it. Oh my goodness,
that was Believe that was a great moment. Mistress Daytona
wins performance that was hist recall. Yes, RuPaul basically said

(56:14):
she could walk into any sitcom and she'd be the
star that asked, Mistress, have you ever acted before? She goes,
I act the fool all the time. I believe it.
I definitely believe it, you know. And then the last
one of the best moments was Sasha Kobe blaming on
the Edit music video. Basically she said she had to
give props to Monica Munroe for that because you know,

(56:39):
she says, you know, just lock eyes with someone and
you know, and she learned that from Monica Mary. Her
ability to lock eyes with the camera and really kind
of like you can't look at anybody else or think
about anybody else. That kind of reminded me of like
when you know, during the eighties and nineties when those
Madonna videos would come out for the very first time,
and Madonna was like, there's nobody, there was nobody better

(57:02):
at doing videos and making you look at her. Yeah,
She's like you remember back then, and we were always
so excited, I know, and you couldn't watch a video
on YouTube anytime you wanted, you had to wat for
it to come on MTV. So I remember when Madonna's
Expressed Yourself video came out that was based on the
nineteen twenties film Metropolis. It was like any time it

(57:23):
came out, I was like, shut up, everybody shut up.
You know. It was like you know when we were
kids in the Wizard of Oz would come on once
a year. Yeah, I'd be like, it's starting, Get starting, everybody,
It's commandments come on for four hours every ei sudden years.
Everybody quiet. What are you most excited about seeing in

(57:44):
the finale? Like, I just want to see the four
queens perform and give it there all and this has
really been a wonderful, wonderful season. Who are you most
excited to see at spoiler alert because we're going to
talk about this on the next show. M I went
to the finale tamping, so you have to do. You

(58:04):
have no idea what you're in store for it. You're
gonna give all the tea. I'm gonna give all the tea.
I'm not gonna give anyway on this show. But just
fasten your seat belts. You're in for an amazing finale,
you know. Ever since we can do the finales like
live and that with like car horns and stuff, it's
just frien yeah, yeah, remember that that year that simone

(58:31):
one and it was like it was in a parking
lot or driving it was like that moment hooray, It's
like yeah. Or when Jada Essence all had to be
ground on Zoom, it was like a face Kintie on
I know, with face Katie with rukini face and then
like I just you know, and when Jada had that

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moment during All Stars where she said, because I was
crowned on Zoom, I didn't feel like the rest of you.
I mean this part of it that makes it so
moving with all of us coming together and being in
that auditorium again. So having said that, remember from me
and Lonnie, Yes, tip your queen. Show them love on socials.

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So show them love on socials, especially now, especially now.
Don't forget to tweeter or dm us if you have
questions or hot takes for the queens. At Alec Mappa
on Instagram, at comic Lonnie Love on Instagram, and at
Lonnie Love on Twitter. I'm almost up to thirty seven followers,
missed two million followers, so I am breathing down your neck. Yeah,

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of Squirrel Friends, the Official RuPaul's Drag Race Podcast. The finale.
We'll see you soon. Bye bye. M